Draconian civilization, for real?

[Astral]

For the last 18 months I've been researching this reptilian subject. If I recall correctly, the first time I got in touch with it was due to Mr. Icke, I suppose.
A subject like this would most likely be discussed under Science fiction, but than again, who fed us with this idea of "Science fiction", right Those we are in control.

Anyhow, I would have never thought this subject would get so deep.
It really got my attention when I stumbled upon some documents describing these beings as "horned", "most likely living underground near a fireplace" and "feeding itself with our substance of life-blood".:shocked: These descriptions would come from several sources, whom have no direct affiliation with each other.

-Several testimonies from those whom were (by force) part of the MK-ultra project
-Numerous testimonies of men who were involved with the Montauk project
-The main source of David Icke: Credo Mutwa
- Courtney Brown who gathered his Remote viewing sessions into a book.
-Alex collier, by far the most elaborate in on this subject.

-Our belief systems, myths, legends and our own freaking society based on draconian laws.
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Credo mutwa video 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf0o4TkoObo)
Credo Mutwa video 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQuQaZqHu2Q&feature=related)
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Courtney Brown (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vision_remota/esp_visionremota_25.htm)
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Alex collier (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/andromedacom_12.htm)
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Dulce underground facility (http://toddjumper.com/dulce/)
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Montauk testimony 1 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles17c.htm#Montauk:%20The%20Alien%20Connectio n)
Montauk testimony 2 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/montauk/esp_montauk_14.htm)

At some point I got stuck on a stalemate. You have a draconian influence from Africa (Zulu's) to India (Caste system), from China (Dragons) to Western factions (Illuminati). Where does it really begin?

I turns out we ought to be looking at it from a completely different perspective, the subspace angle if you will. I've read about "fallen guardians, Angels". We know life goes on when we leave our body behind. We move on to a different realm.

I tried to read as much as possible about this subject: Near-Death-Experiences which ties to the astral world. Sure enough some mentioned this place called "Hell". Knowing the astral world is a spiritual world, not a physical, hell is most likely created by the own individual.

I'm still somewhat confused on
this stage. But this draconian influence we suffer from would directly be controlled by those souls which operate from the astral, subspace world.
How about that!:sweatdrop:

This would explain all the rituals the have been going on in these secret societies. It all boils down to control, even at the upper part of the pyramide.
No doubt this subject ties in with an even bigger one.

Sure enough we could start a debate about the validity of all this. Disinformation or not, we need some inspiration to lift off.

As always I never try to judge or interpret the information at hand, so If one would have some additional info on this matter..by all means :gun_bandana:

[Antaletriangle]

Hi thanks for your post i'm altogether along your lines and am along your path-it's quite overgrown the path is i know but we can still see the way beneath the overgrowth.This i'm posting to add to your post-sounds from hell on Art bell,it was recorded in siberia through a geophone whilst geologists were taking seismic soundings in an underground cave-this is what they recorded!Interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvnxeX2SQso

[jcmproch]

Have you ever listened to Red Elk? He also makes references to them as well the "ant people" of the Hopi legends (which he states are the Greys). He also says that these "lizard" people are an evil bunch, using humans as sacrifices. I don't know how much I believe about shape-shifting, but he also claims they have such abilities.

[FrostyMcunicron]

As a general rule of thumb reptile people are a great way of grabbing peoples attention so some people naturally spread disinformation regarding these creatures for attention from conspiracy theorists & ufologists and views as well(as incredibly unbelievable as it all sounds). Some information out their i feel is accurate but again be careful for i c a lot of people off their rocker's with detailed explanation of inter dimensional wars billions of zillions of dimensions ago with no citation, references, ancient artifacts, sand scripts or backing what so ever.

[Wormhole]

Well folks, I've seen one and this is what happened.
It was about 8:30 in the am, I was sleeping in. Wide awake with my eyes closed on a Saturday. This was around 1984, in upstate New York. I was still in high school and just didn't want to get up. I opened my eyes and one of those nasty things was right next to my bed just leering at me with a huge grin on it's face.

Well, I screamed. It stood there for a couple of seconds and then was gone. My sister also woke up to one standing over her bed the same week. Man it was creepy, but it didn't move. That is the strange part. It stood there like it was frozen, though it's eyes were focused on me. Then snap, gone. I've never seen one since, nor has my sister. Many years later, I find this picture that was on Utube of exactly what we had seen! I started to pay attention to all of the theories and I can not say if any of it is true or not.

Besides being scared, I wasn't hurt or touched. I've had other contacts with other races, and this was very low key in comparison. I think that if that thing had wanted to hurt me, it could have. But it didn't.

I'd be happy to answer any questions.
Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

[Steve_G]

It's a tough subject to approach isn't it? People who are quite prepared to accept that there are little grey aliens running around doing unpleasant things seem strangely reluctant to look at the possibility that there are big reptilian aliens that have been here for millennia.

I guess it's one thing to accept we may have visitors from outside and quite another to accept that there are others who have been here since ancient times and are largely responsible for the state of the world today. The first is an extension of what we can do (we can fly in space, why couldn't they?) but the second means having to question the very root of the deeply held, almost subconscious beliefs we hold about the world we live in.

I've noticed a distinct lack of info from the PC interviewees on the subject. I think Michael St Clair mentioned them obliquely, and David Wilcock may have done the same, but other than that there's no info. I think both Dan Burisch and John Lear both admitted it was possible but they hadn't had any experience of that so weren't prepared to talk about it. And fair play to both.

It's perhaps not so surprising- if the shape-shifting ability is true then nobody would have seen them in the physical. They've always operated from the shadows anyway, so why blow it now by showing themselves in their true form? That's what the bloodlines are for.

[Steve_G]

Just listening to David Wilcock's new interview, relates to this subject and well worth a listen.

[Arkan]

I've heard and read too much about the Reptilians to not think that there is some truth about this subject--but that's just my opinion. Because I've never had an experience with one I can't be absolutely positive, however, the evidence is out there and the implications of their existence are too important to be ignored. Check out these links if you're interested:


http://daverabbit.podomatic.com/entry/2007-09-25T19_26_41-07_00
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8316692185126189734&ei=KFvJSOrhMIvurAKh5PyzAg&q=alex+collier
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=alex+collier&emb=0&aq=f#q=credo%20mutwa&emb=0&dur=3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9056618489070227682&ei=GV7JSPzKIoaYrAKzzbDYAg&q=credo+mutwa
http://reptoids.com/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-385349141638073617&ei=117JSIyZFIaorQLsyJTNAg&q=reptilian+shapeshifter++news&vt=lf

[stal]

yeah i've seen them, in the 'flesh', whilst wide awake, in their hoods, and also in human form. they are very real. they don't all work for the same side though, and dont all come from the same place.

[Antaletriangle]

From my limited research on reptilian entities they aren't all negative.There are positive and negative factions in every star society such as the Gizah alliance that broke from the traditional Pleidian values and tried to influence this world for their own power gain etc.The Reptilian culture is apparently based upon intelligence, spirituality but have a major warrior influence running through it.According to Alex coliier and his contacts the Draconans are bent on tracking human colonies down throughout the cosmos because they deem themselves a a pure genetic race that is closer to the issness than anything else-being hermaphropdite etc...

[ARE WE THERE YET]

Hey Astral

Heres some reading that kinda clarified the whole Draconian issue for me. Its a good read if you have an open mind.

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/creator/overview2.htm

[Antaletriangle]

Great post arewethereyet!Good read.

[Kate]

yeah i've seen them, in the 'flesh', whilst wide awake, in their hoods, and also in human form. they are very real. they don't all work for the same side though, and dont all come from the same place.



hiya Stal... wow, you have experienced these things in the flesh? would you mind sharing with us some of your experiences? We hear alot about the greys ..but not many people come forward telling stories of actually seeing these creatures/entities and having direct contact....!

white light blessings to you!!

firehorse

[Zelphael]

I echo that... stal, care to share your experiences?

[alkalurops]

sombody know the books of michael tsarion: atlantis, alien visitation and genetic manipulation?
it´s not all about reptiles but quite a good resarch about the topic and historical facts.
watch his dvds on you tube. he is a good friend of g. maxwell....
the info of david icke is quite complete and convincing for me
with all the historical evidence (dragons ....) it feels like truth.

[Steve_G]

sombody know the books of michael tsarion: atlantis, alien visitation and genetic manipulation?
it´s not all about reptiles but quite a good resarch about the topic and historical facts.
watch his dvds on you tube. he is a good friend of g. maxwell....
the info of david icke is quite complete and convincing for me
with all the historical evidence (dragons ....) it feels like truth.

I tried to get that book but the only place I could find it was direct from his website- Amazon etc don't list it and I couldn't find a copy in any of the bookshops in Glastonbury.

I highly recommend his Origins and Oracles series- the Youtube vids are a hugely scaled-down presentation of the same things. It's absolutely massive (the first program alone is over 10 hours long) but he covers virtually every aspect you can think of.

Here's his website: http://www.michaeltsarion.com/

I agree that David Icke has it pretty much nailed, but if you want the evidence laid out piece by piece then Tsarion's "Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation" in either book or video format is head and shoulders above anything else I've ever come across.

Edit- Would also agree with Stal that they are not all complete b*****ds. However I have never found any research that would support this, only my own very limited experience.

[Oiran]

"It is the unanimous opinion of our team that the reptilians intend to maintain control over the human race by continuing their Grand Strategy of Divide and Conquer and by their continuing domination and marginalization of the feminine principle...

They have nothing to gain and everything to lose by allowing humans to attain a heightened level of awareness...

The various cataclysms and upheavals naturally and artificially contrived, that will annihilate huge segments of the human race is merely the latest installment of a process which strives to reduce the human population to manageable levels BEFORE we attain heightened awareness and an understanding of our full potential. If this happened on a mass scale (ie, heightened awareness) the reptilians will no longer be able to control us."
(James Bartley, "On the March")

http://www.whale.to/b/bartley1.html

[alkalurops]

tsarions book: atlantis alien visitation......i found it on scribd.com as free e-book, in the moment it is not there but maybe somebody puts it back again, there are a lot of books you can not buy anymore....or afford to buy
if you like to have it i could try to send it on e mail....

[Nik]

Just stumbled onto the following video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2fRgcnsj-8&feature=related

Just a hyper-rare deformity or evidence of Reptilian influence?

[motov]

here is my view on Alex collier`s draconis...maby this will shad some light on the issue, if it is alex babbling you got it from...


i have never seen an Alpha Draconis or had any experience about it, i have heard Alex tell storys about them. the problem is:

1. an such advanced race would wipe us out quicker then you could say "sunflower" if that was the intension.

2. an advanced race would, in logic, be extreme spiritual and the only destructive force would then be "religion", again they would wipe us out with no mercy if we didnt fit in there "religion".

3. by being highly spiritual they would have knowledge or an opinion on the compose of the universe and would know if we had an place in creation, and if not, again wiped out with no mercy.

4. it do not fit that the Alpha Draconis is such supreme race and so feard that they where cast out some place and dumped here, in an event like that they would surly use their energy on retaliation towards those whom got them "cast out", and the fact that they are "supreme" makes it unrealistic that some other race would have the resources to cast them out...

there are surly races with diff. agendas but the scale doesnt support an all supreme race that bully around in the galaxy.

cheers....

[DoctorTony]

Well folks, I've seen one and this is what happened.
It was about 8:30 in the am, I was sleeping in. Wide awake with my eyes closed on a Saturday. This was around 1984, in upstate New York. I was still in high school and just didn't want to get up. I opened my eyes and one of those nasty things was right next to my bed just leering at me with a huge grin on it's face.

Well, I screamed. It stood there for a couple of seconds and then was gone. My sister also woke up to one standing over her bed the same week. Man it was creepy, but it didn't move. That is the strange part. It stood there like it was frozen, though it's eyes were focused on me. Then snap, gone. I've never seen one since, nor has my sister. Many years later, I find this picture that was on Utube of exactly what we had seen! I started to pay attention to all of the theories and I can not say if any of it is true or not.

Besides being scared, I wasn't hurt or touched. I've had other contacts with other races, and this was very low key in comparison. I think that if that thing had wanted to hurt me, it could have. But it didn't.

I'd be happy to answer any questions.
Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

Hi Wormhole
Did it look anything like the Mothman? I was under the impression that these were also part of the draconian race.

[motov]

tsarions book: atlantis alien visitation......i found it on scribd.com as free e-book, in the moment it is not there but maybe somebody puts it back again, there are a lot of books you can not buy anymore....or afford to buy
if you like to have it i could try to send it on e mail....

plz, dont wast time reading mtsar, hes is an fraud.
look here: http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/entry/2007-10-23T18_17_11-07_00

and i have read his books and seen all his films, and wow was this a bommer...

ill throw thisone in to.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1QbSrNZQUQ

[Astral]

Just stumbled onto the following video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2fRgcnsj-8&feature=related

Just a hyper-rare deformity or evidence of Reptilian influence?
:blink:How strange is thàt. I've seen this one before.

If it were to be a deformity how in the world did it get nails like that!?

[Orion11]

Just stumbled onto the following video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2fRgcnsj-8&feature=related

Just a hyper-rare deformity or evidence of Reptilian influence?


uhhmm....... :mfr_omg: what the????? i really dont see this as fake... i did at first.. but.. how are you going to fake that??
that cant be a human......can it?
thats crazy , man.... thanks

maybe it can be...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlequin_type_ichthyosis

but that is extremely weird.... is that really a disease? or more like an impregnated with, kinda thing? lol

[Dominic]

I totally consider the possibility of the draconian race here on earth.

I do not believe it is their intentions to destroy us.

Why would they destroy the best food and entertainment source they have?

They are using our resources including our fear for there enjoyment and power. My son is a very strong in his spirituality (Indigo), and he can pick them out in a crowd. He said that they produce a weird or no aura. He has pointed them out to me.

They have been here a long time.

[Astral]

here is my view on Alex collier`s draconis...maby this will shad some light on the issue, if it is alex babbling you got it from...


i have never seen an Alpha Draconis or had any experience about it, i have heard Alex tell storys about them. the problem is:

1. an such advanced race would wipe us out quicker then you could say "sunflower" if that was the intension.

2. an advanced race would, in logic, be extreme spiritual and the only destructive force would then be "religion", again they would wipe us out with no mercy if we didnt fit in there "religion".

3. by being highly spiritual they would have knowledge or an opinion on the compose of the universe and would know if we had an place in creation, and if not, again wiped out with no mercy.

4. it do not fit that the Alpha Draconis is such supreme race and so feard that they where cast out some place and dumped here, in an event like that they would surly use their energy on retaliation towards those whom got them "cast out", and the fact that they are "supreme" makes it unrealistic that some other race would have the resources to cast them out...

there are surly races with diff. agendas but the scale doesnt support an all supreme race that bully around in the galaxy.

cheers....

Ironically, In the light of Alex Collier, your questions are covered in his lectures. In fact, most of what you wrote here is based on your own belief system anyways.

All I'm saying is that, when we grow up, most of us lose their true ability to see the bigger picture due to "our education".
We are taught to look, smell, taste and think in a very specific way.
It's just not up to us to judge matters like this.
The best thing for us to do at this moment, is try to bundle as much (dis)information as possible. Plain and simple.

No judgement, no interpretation, no bias:original:
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plz, dont wast time reading mtsar, hes is an fraud.
look here: http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/en...18_17_11-07_00

and i have read his books and seen all his films, and wow was this a bommer...

ill throw thisone in to.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1QbSrNZQUQ

When we speak about Mr. Tsarion, we speak about Jordan Maxwell aswell. Hand and glove. I repeat, since when does judging put us ahead?
You ought to read between the lines here.

Jordan maxwell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UpzcpAL5ws)
This video was posted on this forum some time ago.

One of his quotes was: Always trust the person looking for the truth, don't ever trust the one who's found it
An other one was: A lot of kind words have been told about me, but I want to clarify a few things: I'm not the foremost authority on anything.


This is where your belief system steps in. We are so used at reading books, following instructions of a teacher, watching National geographic to the point we become apathetic. You think that's by chance?

Bottom line here is: don't judge the teacher, judge yourself.
I could care less if Tsarion is plain wrong on various aspects of his research and I'm sure there are others who'd agree.
The only thing debunkers achieve is a status quo. As far as I know, that doesn't particularly put us ahead:thumbdown:

[Astral]

and he can pick them out in a crowd. He said that they produce a weird or no aura. He has pointed them out to me.

They have been here a long time.

Any chance you could elaborate on this?
Are these beings so common you can spot them, even in a crowd? This intrigues me so much!

[2infinityandbeyond]

The most detailed and informative as well as incredibly believable account i have witnessed so far on the Draconian civilisation was that of Alex Collier.

It ties in with a lot of information my brain has indiscriminantly accumulated over the years which is one reason why this guy appears so credible to me. I also find him very credible because.. i just get that friday feeling when i watch him talk.. id like to think i have good intuition when it comes to people telling me fibs and this guy didnt even make my (bs) radar burp.

Theres a lot of reference to some form of reptilian beings in many folklore and legands which span accross many different countries.
What freaks my socks about this is the amazingly similar descriptions given by civilisations which had no means (that we are aware of) of contact with one another.

I do believe there is a civilisation of man eating inteligent velociraptors somewhere in the universe. I just dont know if i want to meet one. :no:

[Dominic]

I would say they are common but, hard to spot for the average human living with limited spirituality . They have taken on our form. I am sure you have had interactions with some in your life.

They like to commit crimes against humanity.

This is one thing I have noticed. They will come out of nowhere cause problems in your life and vanish.

I feel the big media and political parties are either controlled by or operated by these beasts.

They seem to be rather emotionless. I am not sure they have that ability.

I do not worry about them. They can not love. We have so much more power over them.

[2infinityandbeyond]

1. an such advanced race would wipe us out quicker then you could say "sunflower" if that was the intension.

Not if you wanted to feed of them. We dont exactly have the utmost respect for cows and considering they are no threat to use we just use them as a food source. In the case of your statement it is just further up the food chain.


2. an advanced race would, in logic, be extreme spiritual and the only destructive force would then be "religion", again they would wipe us out with no mercy if we didnt fit in there "religion".


Not true. We do not fully know the laws of the universe. What if when we die there is no heaven and there is no hell.. we just continue to exist. If that was the case then there would be no insentive stopping those who are greedy from putting their own needs and interests before other weaker species. We do it all the time with the fauna here on earth.


3. by being highly spiritual they would have knowledge or an opinion on the compose of the universe and would know if we had an place in creation, and if not, again wiped out with no mercy.


Yes and if that knowledge involves there being no reprecussions then what is it to stop them if their souls posess no love?


4. it do not fit that the Alpha Draconis is such supreme race and so feard that they where cast out some place and dumped here, in an event like that they would surly use their energy on retaliation towards those whom got them "cast out", and the fact that they are "supreme" makes it unrealistic that some other race would have the resources to cast them out...


It was made clear that they were not sure how the Draconians were sent here. If i have a load of angry frogs swarming around my back yard i'll throw em over the fence into my unwitting neighbours.


there are surly races with diff. agendas but the scale doesnt support an all supreme race that bully around in the galaxy.
cheers....

It works in the school yard, why not here?

[motov]

Not true. We do not fully know the laws of the universe. What if when we die there is no heaven and there is no hell.. we just continue to exist. If that was the case then there would be no insentive stopping those who are greedy from putting their own needs and interests before other weaker species. We do it all the time with the fauna here on earth.
as you say, we dont know the law of the univers, but still you claim im out in the blue, you see im implementing the logic that would be relevant of what we know.

It was made clear that they were not sure how the Draconians were sent here. If i have a load of angry frogs swarming around my back yard i'll throw em over the fence into my unwitting neighbours.
so you say frogs are supreme beings....sweet...

It works in the school yard, why not here?

well, a school yard is filld with human beings so that would not implement the behavior of an all supreme being.....

[houman]

This could be due to Depleted Uranium contamination
:nuke::sad::lightsabre:

Just stumbled onto the following video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2fRgcnsj-8&feature=related

Just a hyper-rare deformity or evidence of Reptilian influence?

[clarkkent]

im skeptical about an advanced race feeding off of us as well.

the whole idea of another class of beings being EVOLVED means that they realistically would be past this warfare stage of 3rd dimensional evolution.
i think if they WERE warlike theyd either wipe themselves out or would be monitored by advanced beings that made sure they kept their lunacy contained on their native biosphere.

in either case why would another advanced race "dump" them here, karmically speaking that advanced race would infact be responsible for much of our pain and misery if they did and im sure theyd know this. second why would other advanced races monitoring us not immediately get rid of the non native race manipulating us? if you monitor a zoo you dont let the tigers get through the hole in the wall to the penguins.

think about this, we must have a quarratine on us by advanced races until we can figure out peace. we've back engineered technology to the point where we COULD explore our solar system and perhaps our galaxy but we havent. why would they let us potentially harm other planets and species? clearly they are limiting our exploration for our own good as well as the good of other races. now keeping that in mind, why would "greys" or "reptillians" be allowed to leave there biospheres and tamper with us?

this is why dr steven greer's POV makes most sense, that greys and reptillians are manufactured by black ops programs using psychotronic devices and most ufology/paranormal sites accept the "abduction phenomena" as real, and who could blame them, i would too if i didnt do the research into this realm that i have, as well as pose common sense questions.

[motov]

im skeptical about an advanced race feeding off of us as well.

the whole idea of another class of beings being EVOLVED means that they realistically would be past this warfare stage of 3rd dimensional evolution.
i think if they WERE warlike theyd either wipe themselves out or would be monitored by advanced beings that made sure they kept their lunacy contained on their native biosphere.

in either case why would another advanced race "dump" them here, karmically speaking that advanced race would infact be responsible for much of our pain and misery if they did and im sure theyd know this. second why would other advanced races monitoring us not immediately get rid of the non native race manipulating us? if you monitor a zoo you dont let the tigers get through the hole in the wall to the penguins.

think about this, we must have a quarratine on us by advanced races until we can figure out peace. we've back engineered technology to the point where we COULD explore our solar system and perhaps our galaxy but we havent. why would they let us potentially harm other planets and species? clearly they are limiting our exploration for our own good as well as the good of other races. now keeping that in mind, why would "greys" or "reptillians" be allowed to leave there biospheres and tamper with us?

this is why dr steven greer's POV makes most sense, that greys and reptillians are manufactured by black ops programs using psychotronic devices and most ufology/paranormal sites accept the "abduction phenomena" as real, and who could blame them, i would too if i didnt do the research into this realm that i have, as well as pose common sense questions.

haleluja....

[2infinityandbeyond]

im skeptical about an advanced race feeding off of us as well.

the whole idea of another class of beings being EVOLVED means that they realistically would be past this warfare stage of 3rd dimensional evolution.
i think if they WERE warlike theyd either wipe themselves out or would be monitored by advanced beings that made sure they kept their lunacy contained on their native biosphere.

in either case why would another advanced race "dump" them here, karmically speaking that advanced race would infact be responsible for much of our pain and misery if they did and im sure theyd know this. second why would other advanced races monitoring us not immediately get rid of the non native race manipulating us? if you monitor a zoo you dont let the tigers get through the hole in the wall to the penguins.

think about this, we must have a quarratine on us by advanced races until we can figure out peace. we've back engineered technology to the point where we COULD explore our solar system and perhaps our galaxy but we havent. why would they let us potentially harm other planets and species? clearly they are limiting our exploration for our own good as well as the good of other races. now keeping that in mind, why would "greys" or "reptillians" be allowed to leave there biospheres and tamper with us?

this is why dr steven greer's POV makes most sense, that greys and reptillians are manufactured by black ops programs using psychotronic devices and most ufology/paranormal sites accept the "abduction phenomena" as real, and who could blame them, i would too if i didnt do the research into this realm that i have, as well as pose common sense questions.


A race of beings would not have to be spiritualy evolved to be very much evolved technologically. We are a good example of this, we have the technology to go to the moon yet we are not advanced enough spiritually to clothe and feed our own people.

It comes again to the question of spirituality and what exactly spirituality is. We see fox's hunting rabbits and using them as a source of energy without a second thought for the poor rabbits welfare (lol). It all comes down to choice. I personally choose to help others instead of using them to my own advantage, and i know many who are inclined to do the exact opposite.

I'm sceptical that everything in this universe is made of love and light, if we look at our own planet maybe it can be used as an example of our galaxy just on a smaller scale. We have many predators that feed off other lifeforms just to survive and i cant see that this would have to be much different on a galactic scale.

As a race of people we know much less about life then we think we do. And we know little to nothing about the bigger picture.

I'm sure cows debate about us like this all the time whilst were fattening them up :mfr_lol:

[Racsouran]

there is a high chance of the possible evolution of an reptilian species here. The earth is old and many species have come and gone.

True or not, i don´t know, no matter how many sources tell there are.

[King Lear]

here is my view on Alex collier`s draconis...maby this will shad some light on the issue, if it is alex babbling you got it from...


i have never seen an Alpha Draconis or had any experience about it, i have heard Alex tell storys about them. the problem is:

1. an such advanced race would wipe us out quicker then you could say "sunflower" if that was the intension.

2. an advanced race would, in logic, be extreme spiritual and the only destructive force would then be "religion", again they would wipe us out with no mercy if we didnt fit in there "religion".

3. by being highly spiritual they would have knowledge or an opinion on the compose of the universe and would know if we had an place in creation, and if not, again wiped out with no mercy.

4. it do not fit that the Alpha Draconis is such supreme race and so feard that they where cast out some place and dumped here, in an event like that they would surly use their energy on retaliation towards those whom got them "cast out", and the fact that they are "supreme" makes it unrealistic that some other race would have the resources to cast them out...

there are surly races with diff. agendas but the scale doesnt support an all supreme race that bully around in the galaxy.

cheers....


A very very good argument:thumb_yello:

Do you guys not remember movies like Mars Attacks, War of the Worlds, Independence Day, Predator...?
If there really would be an extraterrestial warrior-race with laser weapons and so on, we wouldn't be here anymore.
They would have wiped us out so easily.

Just remember history and how easy a few dozen Spaniards with black powder muskets and a few cannons were able to wipe out thousands of Indians (Mayas and Atztecs).

[Nik]

the whole idea of another class of beings being EVOLVED means that they realistically would be past this warfare stage of 3rd dimensional evolution.

Have humans evolved spiritually - in general - in the past 2000 years? :) Looking at the current situation, it is easy to assume 'no'. It is a small time frame, but you would think we would learn from our mistakes and progress higher. If the current global societal situation persists (and indeed grows worse) without a visible end (hypothetical and unlikely scenario) then indeed the human race may become technologically advanced beyond anything we can imagine. Would it make us better than we are now?

I'm sceptical that everything in this universe is made of love and light, if we look at our own planet maybe it can be used as an example of our galaxy just on a smaller scale. We have many predators that feed off other lifeforms just to survive and i cant see that this would have to be much different on a galactic scale.

Well said!

[Phtha]

I look at the Draconian or lizard situation like this.

It's better to believe they are here and be right then to believe the opposite and be wrong.

Otherwise we will most certainly have no chance of freeing ourselves if the situation happens to be the former. :trumpet:

[Antaletriangle]

i think this is why we're here: we chose this incarnation-we are amnesiacs;every answer to every question is found in yourself-you are the question and answer.As far as spiritual evolution and technological evolution go there are no rules-the only 'rules' that are laid down are the ones we set ourselves generally speaking.Why is it not possible for a high tech. society to be highly spiritual and why is it not possible for a highly spiritual society to be low tech.?Anything goes and as far as the limitations of our own understandings of 'science' go when infinities appear in equations as they often do this means anything can happen at any time in any given situation.Just chill out i say and learn,love and feel.

[IronWoman]

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=mZGh5cCiEF8


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj8741m2jLc


watch these videos.. SCARY!!!

maybe.. they Are REAL!!!!

....reptilian? :shocked:

[Luminari]

Hi thanks for your post i'm altogether along your lines and am along your path-it's quite overgrown the path is i know but we can still see the way beneath the overgrowth.This i'm posting to add to your post-sounds from hell on Art bell,it was recorded in siberia through a geophone whilst geologists were taking seismic soundings in an underground cave-this is what they recorded!Interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvnxeX2SQso

Man that was horrible.. I don't believe in Hell but that was extremely unpleasant to listen to...
WHY DID YOU POST THAT HERE IT HAS ZERO TO DO WITH REPTILIANS OR DRACONIANS !? :thumbdown:

[Gnosis5]

For the last 18 months I've been researching this reptilian subject. If I recall correctly, the first time I got in touch with it was due to Mr. Icke, I suppose.
A subject like this would most likely be discussed under Science fiction, but than again, who fed us with this idea of "Science fiction", right Those we are in control.

Anyhow, I would have never thought this subject would get so deep.
It really got my attention when I stumbled upon some documents describing these beings as "horned", "most likely living underground near a fireplace" and "feeding itself with our substance of life-blood".:shocked: These descriptions would come from several sources, whom have no direct affiliation with each other.

-Several testimonies from those whom were (by force) part of the MK-ultra project
-Numerous testimonies of men who were involved with the Montauk project
-The main source of David Icke: Credo Mutwa
- Courtney Brown who gathered his Remote viewing sessions into a book.
-Alex collier, by far the most elaborate in on this subject.

-Our belief systems, myths, legends and our own freaking society based on draconian laws.
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Credo mutwa video 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf0o4TkoObo)
Credo Mutwa video 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQuQaZqHu2Q&feature=related)
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Courtney Brown (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vision_remota/esp_visionremota_25.htm)
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Alex collier (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/andromedacom_12.htm)
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Dulce underground facility (http://toddjumper.com/dulce/)
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Montauk testimony 1 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles17c.htm#Montauk:%20The%20Alien%20Connectio n)
Montauk testimony 2 (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/montauk/esp_montauk_14.htm)

At some point I got stuck on a stalemate. You have a draconian influence from Africa (Zulu's) to India (Caste system), from China (Dragons) to Western factions (Illuminati). Where does it really begin?

I turns out we ought to be looking at it from a completely different perspective, the subspace angle if you will. I've read about "fallen guardians, Angels". We know life goes on when we leave our body behind. We move on to a different realm.

I tried to read as much as possible about this subject: Near-Death-Experiences which ties to the astral world. Sure enough some mentioned this place called "Hell". Knowing the astral world is a spiritual world, not a physical, hell is most likely created by the own individual.

I'm still somewhat confused on
this stage. But this draconian influence we suffer from would directly be controlled by those souls which operate from the astral, subspace world.
How about that!:sweatdrop:

This would explain all the rituals the have been going on in these secret societies. It all boils down to control, even at the upper part of the pyramide.
No doubt this subject ties in with an even bigger one.

Sure enough we could start a debate about the validity of all this. Disinformation or not, we need some inspiration to lift off.

As always I never try to judge or interpret the information at hand, so If one would have some additional info on this matter..by all means :gun_bandana:


I have to laugh because in our past life sessions, which total to over 200 hours, hubby and I have seen ourselves as all kinds of reptoids all over the galaxy, lol. I can see why the design was so popular.

In hubby's latest escapade as a reptoid he was inducted into the military at the age of 14 and a flexible seal was surgically inserted into the tough hide on the back of his neck and a bottle of clear liquid with a needle was attached to it.

The bottle contained a drug that would turn these soldiers into crazed killers and it was radio operated. It worked. They were transported to a planet of blue-skinned humanoids and they wreaked havoc.

Do you think there might be a little reptoid in all of us?

love,
Gnosis

[Luminari]

This is the best thing ive ever read on Earth Reptilians.. if you haven't see The Lacerta interview, you're gonna love this:

http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index3.html

"...I'm a female reptile being, belonging to a very old reptilian race. We are the native terrans and we live on that planet since millions of years...

..We had and have some colonies in the solar system, but we originate on this planet. It's in fact our planet and not yours—it was never yours.."

[Gnosis5]

Right, and Elvis Presley was born in Russia....

[Luminari]

Right, and Elvis Presley was born in Russia....

OH... so its ok for you to be a drug-induced Reptilian warrior but my post is fake before you even read it :lol3: nice one

[Gnosis5]

My apologies that I gave you the impression I was invalidating you. In fact, I have read several times the Lacerta interviews. I was invalidating her and her story line, being that I am somewhat familiar with their M.O.

However, just to be fair, there have been some reptilian past lifes where we were somewhat benign and even felt sorry for the poor humans. That is definitely not part of the overall scene of cultural indoctrination.

I don't ask anyone to believe me, just posting what we went and saw, but I do encourage people to actually see with their own eyes rather than read tons of other being's accounts, including mine. I only post so that others will see that they too can go and look and get the answers for themselves. End of point.

cheers!
gnosis

[Luminari]

Ok point taken, thanks for clearing that up.

I would encourage other people to read the LACERTA INTERVIEW for themselves as it is a very detailed, lucid account which may or may not have factual basis, but is extremely interesting or entertaining depending on your perspective:
http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index3.html

[deb003]

On Coast to Coast, Steven Quale was on a couple of nights ago.

Go to this link
http://www.aliendeceptions.com/
Scroll down to Audio Files,C2C, George Noory, Flashpoint & Giants 12-3-8.

They discuss all of it and it's pretty scary to say the least.
Worth listening to the WHOLE interview!

[davefla73]

A very very good argument:thumb_yello:

Do you guys not remember movies like Mars Attacks, War of the Worlds, Independence Day, Predator...?
If there really would be an extraterrestial warrior-race with laser weapons and so on, we wouldn't be here anymore.
They would have wiped us out so easily.

Just remember history and how easy a few dozen Spaniards with black powder muskets and a few cannons were able to wipe out thousands of Indians (Mayas and Atztecs).

Ok i see your point, but Do we wipe out COWS, no we heard them , and Eat them . use them for everything we can get out of them. thats Im sure what they are doing to humans.

[feardia]

Just stumbled onto the following video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2fRgcnsj-8&feature=related

Just a hyper-rare deformity or evidence of Reptilian influence?

Depleted Uranium:mad3: