Humans 'will be implanted with microchips'

[henners]

Hello everyone, i was just informed by Vesta regarding this story on the 30th January. It looks like we're next regarding microchipping all Aussies.
Here is the news article.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/image.php?u=288&dateline=1221047779&type=profile
VESTA
All Australians could be implanted with microchips for tracking and identification within the next two or three generations, a prominent academic says.

Michael G Michael from the University of Wollongong's School of Information Systems and Technology, has coined the term "uberveillance" to describe the emerging trend of all-encompassing surveillance.

"Uberveillance is not on the outside looking down, but on the inside looking out through a microchip that is embedded in our bodies," Dr Michael told ninemsn.

Microchips are commonly implanted into animals to reveal identification details when scanned and similar devices have been used with Alzheimers patients.

US company VeriChip is already using implantable microchips, which store a 16-digit unique identification number, on humans for medical purposes.

"Our focus is on high-risk patients, and our product's ability to identify them and their medical records in an emergency," spokesperson Allison Tomek said.

"We do not know when or if someone will develop an implantable microchip with GPS technology, but it is not an application we are pursuing."

Another form of uberveillance is the use of bracelets worn by dangerous prisoners which use global positioning systems to pinpoint their movements.

But Dr Michael said the technology behind uberveillance would eventually lead to a black box small enough to fit on a tiny microchip and implanted in our bodies.

This could also allow someone to be located in an emergency or for the identification of corpses after a large scale disaster or terrorist attack.

"This black box will then be a witness to our actual movements, words — perhaps even our thoughts —-and play a similar role to the black box placed in an aircraft," he said.

He also predicted that microchip implants and their infrastructure could eliminate the need for e-passports, e-tags, and secure ID cards.

"Microchipping I think will eventually become compulsory in the context of identification within the frame of national security," he said.

Although uberveillance was only in its early phases, Dr Michael's wife, Katina Michael — a senior lecturer from UOW's School of Information Systems and Technology — said the ability to track and identify any individual was already possible.

"Anyone with a mobile phone can be tracked to 15m now," she said, pointing out that most mobile phone handsets now contained GPS receivers and radio frequency identification (RFID) readers.

"The worst scenario is the absolute loss of human rights," she said.

Wisconsin, North Dakota and four other states in the US have already outlawed the use of enforced microchipping.

"Australia hasn't got specific regulations addressing these applications," she said.

"We need to address the potential for misuse by amending privacy laws to ensure personal data protection."

http://images.ninemsn.com.au/resizer.aspx?url=http://news.ninemsn.com.au/img/2009/scitech/3001_chip_a.jpg&width=310

:mfr_omg: :thumbdown: :shocked:

[henners]

Here is another news story from Australia.

Do you get the feeling that "SOMETHING NEW" is going to be introduced into our defence department, some new technology maybe that 'needs' to be introduced for our safety against those terrorists.

Sydney Harbour will be scene of simulated attack from boats, divers and underwater vehicles in this week’s Kondari Trial, the Minister for Defence Science and Personnel, the Hon. Warren Snowdon MP, announced today.

The Kondari Trial is a test run of new technologies designed to protect Australia’s ports, naval bases and ships from terrorist attack.

Organised by the Defence Science and Technology Organisation (DSTO) and the Royal Australian Navy at Garden Island Naval Base from today until 13 February, the Trial will explore emerging technologies designed to strengthen underwater force protection.

“It has been shown around the world that maritime facilities are vulnerable to attack,” Mr Snowdon said.

“Australian ports and harbours are vital to the country’s trade and economy, and as such, the Australian government is taking strong measures to ensure their protection.”

The Australian Federal Police, NSW Police and Sydney Ports are participating in the trial which has also attracted international defence experts from UK, Canada, New Zealand and USA, including the US Coast Guard.

Technologies being tested during the trial include diver detection sonar, underwater warning systems, imaging sonar, Remotely Operated Vehicles and Autonomous Underwater Vehicles used for hull, pier and seabed searches.

“The trial will evaluate the capabilities of these technologies against real scenarios in complex environments and provide a better understanding of the operational issues affecting these systems,” Mr Snowdon said.

“The participation of our coalition partners, industry and State authorities in the trial should ensure that Australia is well prepared and equipped with the right technologies to counter threats against our maritime assets.” :sneaky2:

[alyscat]

Yeah, well, they're finding cancer at the sites of some of those micochipped pets. Not for me.
alys

[judykott]

Perhaps the "flu vaccine" that will be compulsory if an "epidemic" of bird flu hits will be filled not only with the usual mercury, aluminum, msg, flouride,dead animal cells, viruses, bacteria, etc, but also the chip which is now down to an injectable size. No need for permission or knowledge it would just be injected as part of the nefarious flu vaccine program, avoiding the discussion and debate that an anouncement of chipping would bring.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090128214342.htm
Quantum Dots May Be Toxic To Cells And Environment Under Certain Conditions
ScienceDaily (Jan. 31, 2009) — Researchers in Texas are reporting that quantum dots (QDs) — a product of the revolution in nanotechnology increasingly used in electronics, solar cells, and medical imaging devices — may be toxic to cells under acidic or alkaline conditions. Their study is the first to report on how different pH levels may affect the safety of QDs.


Nanomedicine
In the new study, Pedro Alvarez, Shaily Mahendra, and colleagues note that QDs are semiconductor nanocrystals composed of a metal core surrounded by a shell composed of zinc or cadmium sulfide. Scientists are increasingly concerned that these submicroscopic dots, about 1/50,000th the width of a human hair, could decompose during normal use or after disposal. That decomposition could release toxic metals into the environment, posing a health risk to humans and animals.

To explore this concern, the scientists exposed two common types of bacteria that serve as models of cell toxicity and indicators of environmental health to QDs under different conditions of acidity and alkalinity. At near neutral pH levels, bacteria exposed to QDs experienced decreased rates of growth, but did not die.

However, at moderately acidic or alkaline conditions, many of the QD-exposed bacteria died as QDs shells decomposed, releasing their content of toxic metals. However, proteins and natural organic matter may be able to mitigate toxicity by complexing metal ions or coating particles.

The study cautions, “the release of toxic inorganic constituents during their weathering under acidic or alkaline conditions in the human body or the environment may cause unintended harm that might be difficult to predict with short-term toxicity tests.”

[Dominic]

My belief is that we are all wearing the chip already. So, do not listen to all these story's that evoke more fear. They enjoy it.

Peace

[waitinginthewings]

My belief is that we are all wearing the chip already. So, do not listen to all these story's that evoke more fear. They enjoy it.

Peace

how so? How and when did we get implanted?

[Dominic]

Here is one of my sources I have found this doctors info straight from the heart. I have also channeled this info and feel it is true. I have read 90% of his website and his information is very enlightening. He calls the evil ones the UFOnauts.
I have found the scar or indent on every person I know or have told. you will find it on your leg too. 27.5 cm up outside right leg for males left leg for females. I close my leg making the muscle tight then you feel around for a dent in the skin on the muscle covering the outside of the shin bone. Some will have a scar there too. The advanced magnetic device is inside the shin bone.

Peace

http://www.totalizm.net/ufo.htm

[777 The Great Work]

Here is one of my sources I have found this doctors info straight from the heart. I have also channeled this info and feel it is true. I have read 90% of his website and his information is very enlightening. He calls the evil ones the UFOnauts.
I have found the scar or indent on every person I know or have told. you will find it on your leg too. 27.5 cm up outside right leg for males left leg for females. I close my leg making the muscle tight then you feel around for a dent in the skin on the muscle covering the outside of the shin bone. Some will have a scar there too. The advanced magnetic device is inside the shin bone.

Peace

http://www.totalizm.net/ufo.htm

They've been doing it to babies at birth covertly for years.Thats second info,but i do feel its true.

[777 The Great Work]

It wasn't an insult, i was told that it was done to my own child.

[waitinginthewings]

Here is one of my sources I have found this doctors info straight from the heart. I have also channeled this info and feel it is true. I have read 90% of his website and his information is very enlightening. He calls the evil ones the UFOnauts.
I have found the scar or indent on every person I know or have told. you will find it on your leg too. 27.5 cm up outside right leg for males left leg for females. I close my leg making the muscle tight then you feel around for a dent in the skin on the muscle covering the outside of the shin bone. Some will have a scar there too. The advanced magnetic device is inside the shin bone.

Peace

http://www.totalizm.net/ufo.htm

Dominic: tks for the info. Its very interesting to me. I have a scar about 1/2 way up my right leg on the outside, indentation type, & I have no idea how or when it got there. Also a friend of my showed me the exact same scar also on her right leg, same place. She has had many abductions as well as her kids.

I am pretty sure that I have been abducted but am too chicken to get hypnotized. Plus I would only do it with a therapist who is skilled in this kind of work. But you are saying that the mark is on the shin bone, so that's a little different. Maybe different aliens groups are involved and placing them in different locations.

I wonder if anyone else who has posted here has this scar on their leg. How about a survey on this....would be interesting.

[waitinginthewings]

They've been doing it to babies at birth covertly for years.Thats second info,but i do feel its true.

Ok....where are they putting it, in babies?

[777 The Great Work]

I'm done,i go in peace

[recallone]

I think this is also the reason why Obama is pushing for electronic medical records (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/18/us/politics/18health.html?ref=health) too. They're just easing it in.

When I read Dominics post, I have to admit I momentarily embraced the programmed reaction of 'give me a break'dom (as I'm rolling my eyes exactly the way they've trained me to)...but then I measured up my leg to see if there was an unusual dent in my leg. There is. And while the distance up wasn't exactly 27.5 cm, it was within 3 cm of it like the site said. - and right where he said it'd be. So, um - I'm reading more about it now.

Thanks, Dominic.

[recallone]

from the above (http://www.totalizm.net/ufo.htm) link:

Fig. #B4. A typical appearance of a scar left on a leg by a UFO implant.. This scar you should be able to find on your own leg, and also on legs of all your close ones. (Unless your young body healed so well, that left no scar after the UFO implant. But even then you should be able to detect this scar in deflected light as a mat patch on the skin, and also feel it with your finger as a cavity in the muscle underneath of it.) The scar usually is located around 27.5 cm from the floor (with the accuracy to around 3 cm). Males typically have it on the right side of their right leg. In turn females typically have it on the left side of their left leg. But in typical cases it is not so impressive as the one on the above photo. (Typically it is only around 2 mm in diameter, while on the above photo it is over 10 mm.) This scar is formed when UFOnauts drill through the muscles in the leg, in order to install a special identification implant inside of the shinbone. This implant is fitted by UFOnauts to practically every person on Earth. So I recommend to find it on your own leg, and also on legs of your loved ones. After all, "seeing is believing". Remember that every person have it, only that not on every leg it is visible so clearly. The visibility of this scar depends on the individual healing-susceptibility of the owner at the time when the implanting was carried out by UFOnauts. Therefore, if you do not see it immediately on your own leg, this does not mean that you do not have it, but only means that on your leg it is slightly less visible than in others (still you can find it by examining your leg under the light deflected from your skin, or through pressing your leg with a finger to detect a cavity in muscles under this scar). Exact descriptions of this scar can be found in subsection U3.1 from volume 15 of English monograph [1/4]

[Swanny]

My leg is fine :thumb_yello:

How long is a generation??

[Dominic]

I hope that more will wake up to the truth. I also feel the the nwo is already implemented but they make us feel like it has not been. I have had a feeling for many years that we were under total control including tracking. Tell any that will listen the truth. We are in the sixth day and all truths will be exposed.

Most things that are in controversy on the news has already been done.

Enjoy each day

Peace

[henners]

Great point Dominic "Most things that are in controversy on the news has already been done." This is so very true. Most people think that all these points of interest are brought up for discussion to see what the reaction will be. They don't realise they are already on the way. :thumb_yello:

[alyscat]

Well, I have one of those marks, but on my ankle, and to this day I remember when I did it. When I was first learning to shave my legs. :lmfao:
alys

[Jacqui D]

I have no doubt they we have already been chipped, i do have a mark on my leg and another strange mark of the rose cross on my right arm.
Nano technology is here folks believe it!
You think you have not been implanted but i say how can you tell for sure!

We may all have been implanted when we received our innoculations as children.:mad3:

[waitinginthewings]

Do you all realize that if this is true, its game over for us. It means that by now the entire population of this planet has been chipped. But why are the ET's doing it? I thought it was TPTB that were "planning" on doing it, & of course I was all ready to say No Thank You. Now if what Dominic posted is true, this was done against our free will. This is very serious, cosmically speaking.:mfr_omg:

[Steve_A]

Hi henners,

In general I'm in favour of the microchipping of people. In other threads in this forum, there were threads which dealt with the amount of missing children that go astray every year. With a microchip this will be nearly null.

Kidnappers will also be on to a loser, mental health patients will never be lost again, nor escapees from prisons. Parole jumpers could be tracked easily, accidented people could be tracked the list can go on.

Of course this would mean the end of eloping, as the father could be at the church before the bride to be!

It would mean the end of the missing persons bureau, simplify air and sea searches, would save the authorities a fortune.

The idea of chipping has already been introduced, but in a more subtle way, by the use of bracelets. But I also think that mandatory chipping will come to pass. It's like when the scientists proclaimed to have succesfully carried out a total body transplant on a monkey, it survived fo a couple of hours. What they didn't want to say is that they actually carried out a head transplant, but the idea of a head transplant would have been too polemical, so that suaved it down.

It could be that Australia is the testing ground for such technology and strategy.

Best regards,

Steve
Hello everyone, i was just informed by Vesta regarding this story on the 30th January. It looks like we're next regarding microchipping all Aussies.
Here is the news article.

http://images.ninemsn.com.au/resizer.aspx?url=http://news.ninemsn.com.au/img/2009/scitech/3001_chip_a.jpg&width=310

:mfr_omg: :thumbdown: :shocked:

[burgundia]

[QUOTE=Steve_A;108718]Hi henners,

In general I'm in favour of the microchipping of people.

Are you serious?:shocked:

[Steve_A]

Hi burgundia,

Sure I am, as long as they are used in a positive way.

I really don't mind authorities knowing where I am.

I don't owe anyone anything and nobody owes me anything.

I've nothing to hide. :)

Best regards,

Steve



[QUOTE=Steve_A;108718]Hi henners,

In general I'm in favour of the microchipping of people.

Are you serious?:shocked:

[waitinginthewings]

Steve_A.......surely you don't think they are chipping children and patients for their own good. They are using these people to convince the rest of the populace to be chipped as well (that's if we are not already chipped as per Dominic's post)

The missing children are kidnapped by thugs working for THPB.....the whole thing is a scam, a set up for the microchip.

If you become chipped, you have sold yourself to them as their slave, to be controlled by them. No more free will.

[recallone]

<slow connection - double post>

[recallone]

I share your sentiment, burgundia.

If it were limited to a benevolent usage, then yes - but I think we all know too much about the ways in which it would be used to confidently approve of it. That level of "monitoring" is just too tempting to those who seek more control. They're inching it in on multiple fronts and the applications are pretty far from benevolent. Just more control.

[Steve_A]

Hi waitinginthewings,

Of course they're not chipping children and patients for their own good. They're chipping them to simplify a system, to reduce costs etc.

You really must justify your claim that children are being rapted by the 'powers that be'.

We know that some children get lost (I did when I was a little kid in Singapore), some are 'stolen' by pedeophiles, some run away from home, some are abandoned, some suffer accidents, some are kidnapped, some are murdered - you need to watch the British documentary "Johnny Go Home" - the list goes on.

In the States, there was even a campaign set up where faces were put on milk cartons, they have the 'amber alert' on highways, the guy who runs the "Americas' Most Wanted" also set up several websites and investigations.

Here I'm only speaking about children. I haven't even touched on the increasing number of elderly that go missing every year.

I don't think that beingchipped is taking away anybodys' liberty. I think on the contrary, I think it would guarantee liberty, as those who wish to impose on the liberty of others can be easily found and removed, and crime would reduce dramatically, because there is nowhere to hide. Not only can you prove where you were, you can also prove where you weren't in the case of mistaken identity, rogue police inquiries etc. etc.

Can you see the positive use of this system?

Of course, as I said, I'm in favour as long as the system is used for positive use.

Best regards,

Steve



Steve_A.......surely you don't think they are chipping children and patients for their own good. They are using these people to convince the rest of the populace to be chipped as well (that's if we are not already chipped as per Dominic's post)

The missing children are kidnapped by thugs working for THPB.....the whole thing is a scam, a set up for the microchip.

If you become chipped, you have sold yourself to them as their slave, to be controlled by them. No more free will.

[Malletzky]

...Not only can you prove where you were, you can also prove where you weren't in the case of mistaken identity, rogue police inquiries etc. etc.


Steve, I clearly follow your thoughts, but you know that such systems could be manipulated. So what if you're totaly innocent, and they will still be able to prove with their system that you've been on the crime scene?

And this only, while you evtl. raised your voice for something that they don't like us to raise our voices?

As long as this system could be misused, it's dangerous for our all freedom.

This is my subjective and honest opinion.

[Steve_A]

Hi Malletzky,

Any system could be manipulated. You need to live and breath here in Brazil to see systems being manipulated, corrupt politicians etc.

The actual system is always being manipulated. If I say 'I saw you there', you were there. If the police say that a thread of something was 'compatible' to your sweater, you were there. It's up to you to prove that you weren't. Not always an easy thing to do.

Hanging was banned in the UK beause the justice system condemned the wrong man and he was hung for something he didn't do.

The Birmingham Six were condemned for life for doing something they didn't, because the police abused the system to get the colar.

What I'm trying to say is that any system is fallible, but we hope that it's more difficult to breach each time changes occur and we hope changes happen for the better. :)

Best regards,

Steve



Steve, I clearly follow your thoughts, but you know that such systems could be manipulated. So what if you're totaly innocent, and they will still be able to prove with their system that you've been on the crime scene?

And this only, while you evtl. raised your voice for something that they don't like us to raise our voices?

As long as this system could be misused, it's dangerous for our all freedom.

This is my subjective and honest opinion.

[burgundia]

Didn't you read that they can manipulate your feelings , emotions, influebce your behaviour, etc through remote control.

[Steve_A]

Hi burgundia,

They already do. It's called media. :)

Best regards,

Steve


Didn't you read that they can manipulate your feelings , emotions, influebce your behaviour, etc through remote control.

[Dominic]

Do you all realize that if this is true, its game over for us. It means that by now the entire population of this planet has been chipped. But why are the ET's doing it? I thought it was TPTB that were "planning" on doing it, & of course I was all ready to say No Thank You. Now if what Dominic posted is true, this was done against our free will. This is very serious, cosmically speaking.:mfr_omg:

I realize the cosmic implication I do not think the "devil" as they are referred to cares one bit about that. They do with us as they please, they are parasitic. They have been here longer than us and in the beginning this may have been their planet. Even in days of old everyone knew of the work of the devil, well he has been exposed and it is a advanced dark entity that has made this planet full of strife.

You probably have some in your home. They are everywhere they can telekinetic flicker so we cannot see them.

I just hope more realize that this life is part real and mostly a game. They have us so confused now they do as they please.

I do not agree with chips for dogs let alone humans .

As time goes on and the galaxy makes the human evolve we may notice that the evil one's leave because they cannot handle the high frequency. That is why it is so important to live under the highest morals that you can.

No one is going to save us we must do this on our own.

Peace

[recallone]

Steve - we're all very much aware of the corruption that's prevalent in many countries law enforcement agencies and such, which is exactly the point. More power amongst the corrupt elite equals greater injustices to the masses. They can monitor and punish criminals for breaking the law - what happens when they pass a law that prohibits conversations like the one we're having now? It doesn't take a terrific imagination when you consider they've already passed laws here in the states that prohibit protesting the war in Iraq. If everybody is chipped, they can rule without any system of checks and balances - total control. We're already slaves to the system - but it can get much worse if something like this is implemented.

I've got to say, I'm really surprised to find myself pointing these things out to any member of this forum, let alone a moderator. I really don't see how increased monitoring could be conceived of as a good thing. As far as the elderly and the young, that's the crutch by which they seek to convince the masses that its a good idea. The number of people that disappear every year (aside from the young and the elderly) is huge - but we all know where that argument ends up - on the same doorstep of the door that's been locked and barred for years concerning UFO activity.

[burgundia]

Hi burgundia,

They already do. It's called media. :)

Best regards,

Steve
But you can switch the TV off...unlike your chip.

[Steve_A]

Hi recallone,

We seem to have different concepts of the same idea. I see it as simplifying and making a system more efficient (do we not use GPS in our cars? Do we not use cell phones?) and as a manner to facilitate the location of criminals in a positive way.

You appear to think this as a controlling device in a negative way. That's okay.

The US military visit my site http://www.marketingyourmusic.net each month.

Always three visits. I really don't mind.

As for voicing opinions about the war in Iraq, both alternative and the mainstream media seems to be doing quite a good job of condemning it.

I'll add fuel to the fire. I'll smile when the US military return from Iraq with its' tail between its' legs, just as it did from Vietnam.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about the guys on the ground, who are respectfully following orders - that's what they're paid to do, but the organization.

I think that wars to fight opression valid. To invade a country under false pretences I tend to frown upon.

Do I hate the US? Not at all. Do I love Iraq? Not particularly. But one cannot ignore the fact that the 'War' (Invasion) on Iraq was a scam.

I'm sure the US military are reading my words now, but I don't mind. :)

As for the future..... we'll see.

Best regards,

Steve




Steve - we're all very much aware of the corruption that's prevalent in many countries law enforcement agencies and such, which is exactly the point. More power amongst the corrupt elite equals greater injustices to the masses. They can monitor and punish criminals for breaking the law - what happens when they pass a law that prohibits conversations like the one we're having now? It doesn't take a terrific imagination when you consider they've already passed laws here in the states that prohibit protesting the war in Iraq. If everybody is chipped, they can rule without any system of checks and balances - total control. We're already slaves to the system - but it can get much worse if something like this is implemented.

I've got to say, I'm really surprised to find myself pointing these things out to any member of this forum, let alone a moderator. I really don't see how increased monitoring could be conceived of as a good thing. As far as the elderly and the young, that's the crutch by which they seek to convince the masses that its a good idea. The number of people that disappear every year (aside from the young and the elderly) is huge - but we all know where that argument ends up - on the same doorstep of the door that's been locked and barred for years concerning UFO activity.

[Steve_A]

Hi burgundia,

But you can't turn off your thoughtwaves. Even tonight when you turn in to bed you'll think to yourself, "That Steve_A was a real **** in the forum tonight".

You would have turned off the media, but your thoughts will never be turned off.

Even if you turned off the media it would be because you did not agree with what was being presented, which means that one way or the other it would have affected you.

Best regards,

Steve


But you can switch the TV off...unlike your chip.

[recallone]

How did we get on the topic of the war in Iraq?

Just to clarify, I am not my country's military. So, I dunno what your intent was in bringing this little tid bit into the mix, but it's pretty much out of place.

As for this one: "I'll smile when the US military return from Iraq with its' tail between its' legs, just as it did from Vietnam. "

Steve, if you're trying to push my buttons of patriotism or whatever to get some kind of upper hand in this conversation, let me save you some time.
I don't have any of those buttons. :thumbdown:

[no caste]

Many humans are already implanted with microchips, e.g. Mexican president's secret service & VeriGuard Security Co.), probably homeless test subjects, attempts to do so already with nano material in the skies (chemclouds?) which we know little about. I imagine it's a big business opportunity to sell chips to the masses (for our own 'good' or 'safety'), kind of like en masse inoculations in schools for human pamploma virus - even though there were already legitimate ways to prevent cervical cancer in place.

Sure, Disney World offered a carry card for kids to help locate kids. And a locator card (not implant) might be useful on a ski hill or something. BUT, what's not discussed here is that the human body just is left out of the equation. These waves and frequencies affect us. What if the science hasn't caught up with the fact we may be beautiful electro-magnetic entities who get sickened by these little wing nut products????

Anyway, pets have died from implants (cancer), "VeriChip Microchip Implants Cause Fast-Growing, Malignant Tumors in Lab Animals..."
http://www.tldm.org/News4/Markofthebeast.htm

Oct. 25, 2004: Into sci-fi? Get a load of this. The Food and Drug Administration last week gave a company the go ahead to begin marketing microchips that can be implanted in humans to give physicians quick access to their medical records. We kid you not. The way it works: The rice-grain-size doodad is inserted just under the skin. (Note to the squeamish: no stitches required.) The VeriChip-as the device marketed by Florida-based Applied Digital Solutions is dubbed- stores a code that, when scanned, releases information in a database. http://www.bibleplus.org/prophecy/chip_implants.htm

RFID chips are everywhere for tracking consumer goods already - why not commoditize/liquefy humans into the database? It would be good for someone's economy.

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[cantaloupe]

I'm kind of surprised too Steve A. Your logic sounds similar to the line that we all have to sacrifice liberty for safety that we have been fed for the last seven + years. Your premise holds, shakily, if and only if you can trust that the administrators of such a system would be pure of intention and not have other agendas. I can't.

[Steve_G]

In theory everything Steve A says is right. In practice however the results would be a nightmare.

Every time TPTB say they are introducing this and that for good and pure reasons they end up being abused. Every single time.

"Anti-terror" laws are being used by councils to spy on people they suspect are putting their bins out too early, and fines are then levied.

Speed cameras are supposed to be there to reduce accidents. One of them has been statistically proven to INCREASE accidents, but they refuse to take it down because it is one of the most profitable in the country.

Chipping would help us catch criminals. The problem with that becomes obvious when you look at who is deciding what makes someone a criminal- TPTB. The laws they pass only apply to us, not to them or their minions. If you don't believe that just look at the Charles Menezes case- he was murdered in cold blood, the police have been caught in lies time after time yet not a single officer has been charged with anything.

And so on.

Sorry dude, I think you're way off on this one.

[Swanny]

It's so easy to make people into criminals these days, even the people striking to stop jobs being given to foreigners are so called breaking the law, that road you've legally been ok to drive along safely at 60mph for all your life, but they have now decided that 40mph is the maximum safe speed, go over 40mph and your a law breaking criminal and need to be chipped :thumbdown:

I don't doubt that one day people looking at forums like this one will be classified as terrorists :gun_bandana:

[henners]

Great replies by all. Its a great argument for and against, personally, you can say that if you have nothing to hide why worry? Right? But while there might still be consumer resistance to getting part of a computer stuck in your arm - the underlying technology is already moving from the laboratory into the High Street. "Radio frequency identification" chips have been attached to products in the supermarket to monitor shopping patterns. And in response to fears about child abductions, several schools in Japan have experimented with tracking chips being put into pupils' clothing. Even if we don't want to put microchips into ourselves, we're not squeamish about animals. Following the same basic principle, chips have been injected into millions of pets and farm animals.

But there have been concerns about how such technology could be abused and become a form of undisclosed surveillance, with movements and activities electronically monitored. A few years ago, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) urged lawmakers in Virginia not to put such trackable chips into drivers' licences - arguing that it would breach people's privacy. Such devices would allow the authorities "to sweep up the identities of everyone at a political meeting or protest march," for example. In considering the potential threat to civil liberties, the UK's data watchdog, the Information Commissioner, says it is important to look at the underlying principles, rather than only the technology. And a spokesperson says that much of the capacity to track people already exists - the question is how this information is used. If anyone wanted to introduce such a system into the UK, there would need to be assurances that the information was not being used for any purpose other than clearly declared. The Information Commissioner's office pointed to the current example of delivery drivers who are tracked using their mobile phones. This is deemed acceptable, as long it is being used for very specific business purposes.

George Orwell's "1984" instilled images of "big brother," the idea that someone, somewhere is always watching us. Fast forward nearly a quarter century and some fear the pervasive, invasive surveillance that is "big brother" has become reality. Microchips, usually put in our pets, are now being used in people.

:thumbdown:

[Steve_A]

Hi recallone,


No, no I wasn't pointing or saying things to push your buttons. On the contrary. :)

You mentioned that protesting the war in Iraq had been outlawed in the US. My being close to the quick about the subject was for the benefit of the US military which I'm sure visit sites like this, and as I mentioned, my site three times a month like clockwork. I'm still waiting for them to knock on my door for being subversive and ship me off to Gitmo! :D

Rest assured I don't try and abuse members of this site. I can be a little dry, but I don't abuse.

Best regards,

Steve



How did we get on the topic of the war in Iraq?

Just to clarify, I am not my country's military. So, I dunno what your intent was in bringing this little tid bit into the mix, but it's pretty much out of place.

As for this one: "I'll smile when the US military return from Iraq with its' tail between its' legs, just as it did from Vietnam. "

Steve, if you're trying to push my buttons of patriotism or whatever to get some kind of upper hand in this conversation, let me save you some time.
I don't have any of those buttons. :thumbdown:

[777 The Great Work]

Our generation has been programed for chips long ago, and the programming continues.


http://freshimagehosting.com/images/6m40yzvtgoqaip9r31t5.jpg (http://freshimagehosting.com/) Old programming with chips to the rescue

http://freshimagehosting.com/images/9vd4ogpli6laprjcckfp.jpg (http://freshimagehosting.com/)


http://freshimagehosting.com/images/pjn5khqof9ksehcpnx.jpg (http://freshimagehosting.com/)New programming

[Carmen]

777 The Great Work. Sorry, Im still not getting your lovely images anymore. Just a blue box with a question mark in it!!!!!

[Steve_A]

Hi Steve_G,

I think there needs to be something made clear here. I said I was in favour if the use of this technology was used in a positive way.

We also need to understand that politicians make decisions not for the absolute benefit of the public, but for their own pockets. Lobbyists offer the policy makers a handsome reward for approving projects.

I'm sure that we can all agree that it doesn't matter which system is in place, there will ALWAYS be someone who will try and abuse it.

There are companies on the internet that have logged your movement for years. You can be found if you are carrying your cell phone.

Remember when CCTV was placed in the streets in the UK? Remember the uproar? Big brother is watching you? Now it's part of the culture.

Have the secret police in black cars been swooping and taken innocent bystanders from the street?

Best regards,

Steve



In theory everything Steve A says is right. In practice however the results would be a nightmare.

Every time TPTB say they are introducing this and that for good and pure reasons they end up being abused. Every single time.

[avyaktam]

I think there exist technology to track without RFID. (every person has a unique vibrational fingerprint). The point of the chip would then become to influence or control a person by means of the chip, a much more advanced chip than we would suspect!
Ever thought of that?:mfr_omg:

[no caste]

I think there exist technology to track without RFID. (every person has a unique vibrational fingerprint). The point of the chip would then become to influence or control a person by means of the chip, a much more advanced chip than we would suspect!
Ever thought of that?:mfr_omg:

Yes. I think the project is, say, 30,000 years in the future which is actually now. If we catch up 10,000 yrs in a couple of days, it would be OK too. :mfr_lol:

peace

[iainl140285]

what if the chips are used to track you should you be taken? :zip:


PEACE
Iain

[henners]

Hello all. I agree with Steve A's opinion. Its all well and good if you are a law abiding citizen to have a chip implanted. You have nothing to fear right? But as Steve says; " I said I was in favour if the use of this technology was used in a positive way."
The problem is the power that the government wants over the people.
I'll use several quotes to express my point of view.

"There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live—did live, from habit that became instinct—in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized."

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH."

The real purpose of control is power; power over others. Knowing that political leaders seek control over us should not surprise us, for government is an evolutionary thing and usually evolves towards more control

“Who wants to live to be a hundred? What's the point of it? A short life and a merry one is far better than a long life sustained by fear, caution and perpetual medical surveillance”

We stand today at a crossroads: One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other leads to total extinction. Let us hope we have the wisdom to make the right choice


The most certain test by which we judge whether a country is really free is the amount of security enjoyed by minorities.

And now the last quote for today, this sums it up. By Samuel Adams;

The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.

http://www.bigbrothergovernment.org/graphics/anieye.gif

[Jnana]

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

This was written by Franklin, with quotation marks but almost certainly his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly, as published in Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin (http://books.google.com/books?id=W2MFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA270&lpg=PA270t#PPA270,M1) (1818). A variant of this was published as:

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

This was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759); the book was published by Franklin; its author was Richard Jackson, but Franklin did claim responsibility for some small excerpts (http://www.futureofthebook.com/stories/storyReader$605) that were used in it.


An earlier variant by Franklin in Poor Richard's Almanack (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Poor_Richard%27s_Almanack) (1738): "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."
The saying has also appeared in many paraphrased forms:

They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.
He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.
People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.
If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both.
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither.
Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.
Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.

[burgundia]

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

This was written by Franklin, with quotation marks but almost certainly his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly, as published in Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin (http://books.google.com/books?id=W2MFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA270&lpg=PA270t#PPA270,M1) (1818). A variant of this was published as:

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

This was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759); the book was published by Franklin; its author was Richard Jackson, but Franklin did claim responsibility for some small excerpts (http://www.futureofthebook.com/stories/storyReader$605) that were used in it.


An earlier variant by Franklin in Poor Richard's Almanack (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Poor_Richard%27s_Almanack) (1738): "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."
The saying has also appeared in many paraphrased forms:

They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.
He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.
People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.
If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both.
Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither.
Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.
Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.



agree. it is naive to think that the chipping will be used for our own good only. Sol Invictus once gave a good example how safe it will be. If they kidnap you and you have a chip in your hand, they can always cut off your hand. if humanity knew the whole truth about itself, where we come from, whwere we are going plus the free energy, there wouldn't be any crime.

[micjer]

Here is another good reason to not get chipped. The germans didn't allow it .....YET.

Point is this is proof that the technology exists.

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/chipppp.jpg


Patent for Killer Chip Denied in Germany

'A Saudi inventor's proposal to insert semiconductors subcutaneously in visitors and remotely kill them if they misbehave will not be patented in Germany.'


http://www.presstv.ir/classic/Detail.aspx?id=94070&sectionid=351020604

Reporters said the document proposed that tiny semiconductors be implanted or placed by injection under the skin of people so their whereabouts could be tracked by global-positioning satellites. This could be used to prevent immigrants overstaying.

A model B of the system would contain a poison such as cyanide, which could be released by remote control to "eliminate" people if they became a security risk. The document said this could be used against terrorists or criminals.

[burgundia]

Purely insane....