Anyone know of a live interview of AstralWalker?

[KathyT]

Can anyone give me a site for a live interview done on AstralWalker? Or even an audio interview of him? I find no YouTube videos on him.

I kind of like to see and hear something about the real person… not just words on paper and a photo which isn’t much about the real person.

[viking]

Hi Kathy

His real name is Pane Andov..I believe he has written many books about this sort of stuff ..ect etc...

I am sure he won't mind me saying.....he works with passion and is totally unselfish towards his goals....:winksmiley02:

viking

[TheChosen]

Yea I can confirm what viking said, these kind of things are his life's work. Works with complete dedication and passion. I've had the privilege to meet him face2face many times in the last half year since i've known him. Great person.. a bit too humble imho.

He is on a 'deeper' level than most well known people in these areas. He could use some more exposure.. but then again its not always safe being too much exposed when speaking of these matters.. so I understand his reasons for keeping a relatively low profile.

As far as I know, he hasn't done any audio/video interviews yet

[Josefine]

Hi Kathy

His real name is Pane Andov...He has written many books about this sort of stuff ..ect etc...

viking

I can only find one book title by him: 'Extraordinary powers in humans'

Do you know of other titles?

[Robski]

Dear Kathy,

Pane is someone who speaks from the heart, as I've had numerous conversations with him of late. Know of his existence by way of reading his thread. :original:

[mudra]

Can anyone give me a site for a live interview done on AstralWalker? Or even an audio interview of him? I find no YouTube videos on him.

I kind of like to see and hear something about the real person… not just words on paper and a photo which isn’t much about the real person.
Dear Kathy,

I do not know of any live interviews that Pane might have done.
I just know him through our working on the nexus crew.
I've been in contact with him several times and can only say he is the most respectull , unselfish, dedicated person I 've ever met. He is a being of Light and what he shares with us he does it from the heart.
It is a blessing he came here and started his thread. I am completely convinced of that.

Kindness
mudra

[Astralwalker]

Thanks my friends. I really appreciate.

It is honour to be here with you guys. You are all great and thanks for everything.

Viking,

I wrote just one book “Extraordinary Powers in Humans”. But I was running a magazine called “Sixth Sense” which was on level about those issues. I manage to produce 32 numbers, one magazine per month. And it looks to me as I have written 32 books instead. I usually work alone and I prepared the magazines by my self. What usually takes 5-10 people I managed to do it by my self. So that solves the issues about how much books I have written.

TheChosen,

Thanks my friend. I really appreciate. You are among the best persons I have work with. It’s a privilege to be your friend. Take care.

Josefine,

No other titles…only that one.

Robski,

I can only say that I’m grateful for all that you done for me. You are true spiritual person and it is honour to be your friend.

Mudra,

Thanks for your words. You are great lightworker and we all are grateful for all your energy and effort you put to make this happen. Thanks for everything.

KathyT,

There is nothing special about me. Instead wasting your time and energy towards me you can use the same to do your own development and contribution to the goal that we try to achieve. I hope you will hear my words and you will understand that I’m not an enemy.

Respected Avalons,

Thanks everyone for being here and contributing to all of this. We are few in the beginning but soon more and more will join and the goal will be achieved.

Regards,
Astralwalker

[KathyT]

[B]
There is nothing special about me. Instead wasting your time and energy towards me you can use the same to do your own development and contribution to the goal that we try to achieve. I hope you will hear my words and you will understand that I’m not an enemy.


A lot of people may follow things blindly but I won't. I wouldn't even have given two cents of my time to any of the whistle blowers that are presented on the Project Camelot site unless they were live interviews. It is because they are live interviews, that I can make my own judgment as to the credibility of the person interviewed. And believe me, I do not believe all that are interviewed, as I think some are very off track.

You might note, Kerry and Bill say right on their front page: "We, Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan, do not necessarily agree with or endorse all of the views presented here."

And another note Kerry and Bill state about you "Important additional note: Project Camelot does not agree with all of the conclusions or science mentioned in Astralwalker's presentation: Nexus 2012."

I'll wait until I can see you in live person... interviewed by people who will cross-exam information that you present. If you have done serious scientific study in any university, you would welcome and expect that.

I may have to see if I can find your one book and read it. It will tell me a lot about how you gather data and present your theories. At least now I can begin to find some reviews on it.

[Luminari]

Kathy T:

Wow, what an incredibly left-brain approach to life..

Do you honestly think university education has any relevance to the material Astralwalker has presented and its validity or invalidity?

How about the Hidden Hand material? Im grateful to your efforts to correlate that information (I was going to do that myself but you were too quick :original:) however there was no chance of you analysing the nuances of his body-language either. Does that make the information any less profound?

Think more with your heart.
The brain-is-the-only-way ego monkey mind tangible-data-only paradigm is sinking fast.

Peace be with you.

[dayzero]

Bill and Kerry distance themselves form everything, i think they have to as part of their m.o.
[Well, almost everything anyway, he he...]

The fact is, many other organisations and movements are doing the exact same thing right, just with different words/structures.

EG; Return of the Ancestors - it's the same thing.
http://ica8.org/

You don't have to believe a word of what Astral has to say in order to take advantage of the joining up and the positive intent radiaiton.
There is no 'wrong way' to join up.
It really doesn't matter which way you come at it.

[Malletzky]

And only because Bill and Kerry “do not necessarily agree with or endorse all of the views presented here”, we should “agree” with their points of view?
I personally do not agree with all of their views either, but does that makes me or makes them better then any other? Who knows what’s right or wrong?
But I highly respect both of them for all their work and their passion to present all possibilities to the world.

Only, to explore these possibilities, we should follow our own path and search for our own truth in our hearts. This is the best place to start with...

As Luminari said, should we really believe that the university education (by the way, Astralwalker possess a University degree) is relevant to this kind of material we’re here on to “educate” ourselves?

Or, does it make sense to ask one of these Monks in Tibet, who’re able to levitate and do some other, for the biggest part of humanity amazing and extraordinary things, if they have a University degree??? Have they ever written a book???
And altough it is obvious, they do perform these things, which I would gladly be able to perform myself.

Just to ask another question, why THEY don’t allow us to go to University and study these wonderful things? Things like: prosperity, kindness, spiritual awakening, meditation, raising our level of energy, healing with energy, levitation, telepathy, telekinesis, just to mention a few. All this is possible, also here on our beloved 3D earth!

Believe me; I would be among the first students of such educational system.

So, this is the reason why are we right here and right now on this forum: we educate ourselves. But this is only possible, if I respect all of you and you all respect me.

So please, don’t get me wrong, I’m wheatear excusing nor advocating someone here. Astralwalker doesn’t need mine or any other protection.

The final point is, we’re awakening, and one day, not far from today, we will be ONE again.

And the Truth will be OUR Truth, finally!!!

With :wub2: and RESPECT
malletzky

[burgundia]

Not so long ago scientists claimed that atom was the smallest thing existing in the world. And they were wrong.

[Josefine]

[QUOTE=KathyT;111719]A lot of people may follow things blindly but I won't. I wouldn't even have given two cents of my time to any of the whistle blowers that are presented on the Project Camelot site unless they were live interviews. It is because they are live interviews, that I can make my own judgment as to the credibility of the person interviewed. And believe me, I do not believe all that are interviewed, as I think some are very off track.

As for whistleblowers, I agree, I prefer to see them live. We all know a little bit more after having seen these interviews on Camelot. Avalon does not lend itself very well for that kind of whistleblowing, as we lack the filter that Bill and Kerry may provide.

Personally I just discovered that good old William M. Cooper, who was an icon as a whistleblower for 15 - 20 years, went through a drastic change in the late '90's. I have posted on this elsewhere. I think it dawned on him that he had been very useful to the establishment, but that they were hiding the truth even better by having him mouthing lies and half-truths that he was hand-fed. I think he managed to fall into the ditch on the other side of the road, though, having bought new half-truths and lies from other sources. But I think his activities as a whistleblower all in all had a positive result. It did alert a lot of people to seeing things in a different light. When it leads to people not taking any public truth or truism for granted, and even to people starting to do active research on their own, it isn't bad at all.

I think you have a valid point, KathyT. I did not spend much time on AstralWalker's thread, I just took note of the three premises he was building his case on: The Mayan Caledar, Paul laViolette's superwave theory and the very recent material on the holes in the magnetosphere.

The first two never had the credibility as a base for the kind of serious alarm that AstralWalker drummed up, and the last one is a very new finding that needs further evaluation. In fact I have read something on it that indicates the situation to be beneficial for our accellerating DNA changes.

I think it is the artwork that is spellbinding on this thread. It should give food for thought how we react psychologically to any material in the 'right' packaging.

I also observed that this thread sucked a lot of energy from this forum, the thread became very long. I will take the time to read it now to see all the input.

The result all in all is not negative, I feel. Many people will not jump so easily another time, perhaps?

As for the scheduled meditation, this will be a comfort for many as one is feeling a sense of unity in something that is done collectively. I am also glad that caution has been advised on checking the situation with the sites and so on. Personally I prefer to meditate with small groups that I know to be sharing a common goal.

What I find a bit surprising is some of the links that were supplied for groups and organization working for "unity": E.g. Club of Rome and World Congress were linked. I wonder what, prey say, their contribution may be? These are the people that are busy preparing the NWO and one world religion, stating that "democracy and plurality have been found to be unworkable, so now you understand that you have to take our medicine, - a fascist New World Order". What do these people do when meditating in groups: Burn effigies of 4 billion people?

Yes, I know I am being sarcastic here. But knowing their mindset makes me a wee bit concerned.

Luminary and Dayzero : I think KathyT has made a very valid point here. Using both brain hemispheres is always better than just one.

[mudra]

" You must find and then choose your direction into your heart’s intelligence. It cannot be forced upon you, yet too few understand how to reach inside their energetic heart and activate its transmissions so it can be broadcast via the human instrument’s innate capabilities.

In truth, there does not exist a more stable force within the human instrument than the heart, nor a more intelligent source of perception.

In ancient times the heart was regarded as the seat of soul. It was the
gateway between the world of soul and the world of the body-mind.

Your thirst for knowledge is admirable.There is nothing wrong or misguided about this. It is natural and is part of the encoding of those present in this time. I am only explaining that it is time to shift to the heart.

Human destiny is focused on establishing a new, higher dimensional consciousness on earth, and in so doing, creating conscious, two-way linkages to the multiverse and the entities and beings therein. As we ramp- up to this shift in consciousness, each of us will require an enhanced creativity and intuition, which is the very fiber of our energetic heart.

When I speak of creativity, I’m not speaking to the activities of art, music, or writing. I am talking about the ultimate creativity—creating new perceptions of your reality. When you view your reality through the prism of your energetic heart, your reality will shift in the direction that humanity
itself is shifting. In other words, there is an alignment between your view of reality and the future reality of humanity.

You can activate your heart intelligence and apply it in your everyday life, and over a period of a minute, you can touch the entire grid of humanity.

each of us carries the possibility to transmit into this universal grid of humanity and contribute to it—not because it requires something of us, but because we require something of it. The gesture of placing your heart of hearts on the palm of your hand and offering it to your brothers and
sisters in selfless contribution is the ultimate sign to First Source that you are prepared for the dimensional shift.

James from the WingMakers

Kathy if you listen to Astralwalker from your Heart you 'll find that there is n't anything else to do but to follow his intention . Hearing with your heart is the shortest way to really understand him.

Kindness
mudra

[Malletzky]

Mudra, my dear, thanks so much for the above post.

It's speaking from my HEART:wub2:

with :wub2:
malletzky

[KathyT]

Do you honestly think university education has any relevance to the material Astralwalker has presented and its validity or invalidity?


What I think is relevant, is that anyone presenting new theories (not just pictures of hundreds of other people’s work), would understand the value of peer review of their theory. Those with some college or university training would know about this peer review process. All you have to do, is go to website which show peer review journals in medical science, peer review in scientific journals, in the debate of the application of law by judges and attorneys… where professionals debate the pros and cons of new data obtained from research.

What I meant by “If you have done serious scientific study in any university, you would welcome and expect that”, is exactly what I say. He should welcome peer review, and he should document as much as he is proposing with references to the source of his information. Many photos he has presented do not give reference to the sources. There is no way to verify whether they are real or not. If they are his own personal photos, he should claim ownership. If they are photos of others, he should give their source. He should have footnotes to all sources of information that are not his. There is nothing to be ashamed of if you have to reference the work of others that have come before you.


How about the Hidden Hand material? Im grateful to your efforts to correlate that information (I was going to do that myself but you were too quick :original:) however there was no chance of you analysing the nuances of his body-language either. Does that make the information any less profound?


Yep, it should be subject to debate and discussion as well. And many are. It is very unfortunate that we don’t have the real Hidden Hand person to see or talk to.


It is from my heart, that I want to know more about Astralwalker through live interviews.

[Czymra]

Josefine, yet again you take my words from my mind and type them ahead of me. Well done, now I have less work. ;)

Kathy T, I welcome your criticism a lot, and I find it rather sad that the others are merely taking a defensive stance here, even though you are clearly offensive.
Be that as it may, I am in the process of translating the thread's summary into German. Please understand that I hate to reference my own work or add footnotes. I think it is a practice that is, in university circles, all to exaggerated, even if necessary for reasons of plagiarism. I wouldn't ask anyone on a forum to supply a source for every image and theory, if they help to illustrate a point.
However, I am greatly dismayed by what I am translating. I will carry it through because I promised and make the best I can of it, but I know that if I read this text without being on the forum, I'd be hard pressed to carry on all the way through. In fact I remember reading the whole thread took me two days back during Christmas, it's simply a leviathan of a thread.
Furthermore, even the most basic theories that Astralwalker establishes his body of work with are not supported by anything substantial. Even when LaViolette's theories are drawn upon, only the results that fit with the Nexus interpretation are presented and none of the background research is explained or even mentioned.
I find the connections that are being made intriguing, the topics that are drawn into focus, like the LaViolette research, the corn circles, the magnetosphere holes, the Maya Long Count Calendar, the Phi Grid. All that actually builds a rather coherent picture, but without reading up on all the other sources and manually finding the material oneself (because references are seldom supplied and especially not provided in the text) it becomes so unsubstantiated that for any left-brainer this is really unfathomable... plainly, just some other New Age thrill. (Yeah, that's what I meant by 'airy-fairy' if you remember, and that we get many nice pictures isn't helping it. I work with pictures and believe me I know their value, but even more I know their impact and ability to distract and deceive.)

I am aware that Astralwalker is holding back information as he said on several occasions, and like Drunvalo Melchizedek there may be a reason for delaying its release. However, if this new data can actually support any of the claims that are being made, it is about high time for this data to be released, lest this movement will end up with right-brainers only, for the most part.

However, as mentioned before, I think the intention behind the actions that are being taken are pure and of good cause... I can take this only from my heart, as you say, and what convinces me of Astralwalker, well, eventually is a picture of him with his daughter. Don't even ask me why.
Even without believing in his data though, I would have been on board this activity because of the people and the spirit that it carries and that carry it and as Josefine illustrated, it may not be the real thing, but it surely is another step closer, as it will bring people together. My trust here also lies with PhiedPiper and his remarkable research (that is actually backed up by other researchers), and of course all the other organisers that put so much of their heart and time into it. I know them to be true, and that shall be enough.

[burgundia]

However, as mentioned before, I think the intention behind the actions that are being taken are pure and of good cause...
Even without believing in his data though, I would have been on board this activity because of the people and the spirit that it carries and that carry it and as Josefine illustrated, it may not be the real thing, but it surely is another step closer, as it will bring people together. My trust here also lies with PhiedPiper and his remarkable research (that is actually backed up by other researchers), and of course all the other organisers that put so much of their heart and time into it. I know them to be true, and that shall be enough.

this is also how i look at this whole thing. ( i am really not sure about that Ashtar Command stuff..)but i tried to translate the thread almost word byword.

[mudra]

Kathy there is no place for doubt in the Heart. Your soul's heart will always tell you right.That is the center of knowingness. Knowingness itself vibrates at a higher echelon than knowledge.
Knowledge feeds the mind.
If someone is drawning Knowingness, your soul's heart, will make you plunge and save his life . Knowledge however will make you think it through and by the time you are ready to act the person you were watching will be dead.
.By paying too much attention to details you might not see the overall picture and miss the boat.
We who are resonating with Nexus do this because we hear this strong call for souls to gather and find unity and oneness through Love . And really this is all there is to it .
It's very simple .
Will you be with us ?

Kindness
mudra

[Carmen]

I have been aware in the last few years of what I call the "arrogance of intellect' Of university trained people who will only acknowledge those who have degrees. Of people who's ideas and inventions have been destroyed because some university expert couldn't understand the science, so they were dismissed as charlatans. Intellect and philosophy is well and good, but wisdom and experience beats it hands down.


i have a sister-in-law who is a Doctor of Philosophy. Her expertise is special needs children. Shes a great person, but she has never had kids and she can't even train her dog! These are the people who are approached and listened to for "expert' knowledge. Its b lsh t. People who are balanced in left and right brain wiil admire the aquarium with its life and colour. Left brained people will tip out the water and disect the dead animals!!!

Well Ive had my rant.

Heartfelt love and Intention is what I glean from Astralwalkers Thread. And Compassion and kindness. Thats the bottom line for me.

[777 The Great Work]

Know thyself, means that certain truths you should focus on and ascertain for yourselves, even if guidance is provided along the way.

[Malletzky]

Oh dear, did I missed something here in the past months? Is this really a kind of forum for scientists?
Only for people with academic degree (which I might have or not)??

Or is it still our beloved PC forum, where we all gather together to evolve our spirituality?

Must I, as long as I post something here, back everything with scientific proofs?

Have to ask my mind and my heart, if they can somehow verify whether my thoughts and my feelings are real or not. And also ask to supply the source of my thoughts and feelings of course. Then I’ll put these verifications in the footnotes of my posts.

Otherwise they’re not real and can not be considered for further discussion and exploration.

P.S. 1. Nikola Tesla invented all his inventions firstly in his mind. He didn’t put them on the paper, unless these inventions “worked” in his mind. Did anyone asked him to verify his inventions then? And, any proof they still work? Yes, take a look around.

P.S. 2. Copernicus was the first astronomer to formulate a scientifically-based heliocentric cosmology that displaced the Earth from the center of the universe. Did they ask him, back in the 1509, to prove his theory with scientific resources and verify these?

No. They just burned him!! Was he theory right? YES!

Absurd all of this discussions, I must say. Very absurd.
It’s just a waste of enormous amounts of energy, for all of us.

[Seashore]

Can anyone give me a site for a live interview done on AstralWalker? Or even an audio interview of him? I find no YouTube videos on him.

I kind of like to see and hear something about the real person… not just words on paper and a photo which isn’t much about the real person.

I also find it very helpful to at least hear a person's voice. A video of an interview is better.

Reading a person's work or taking someone else's word for it, even if I trust that someone, is not the same as seeing and hearing for myself.

[Czymra]

Must I, as long as I post something here, back everything with scientific proofs?


No, you don't, but I think there is a difference between simply posting something to open it up for discussion and creating a long thread which ends up in a huge theory without backing half of it up. I don't need scientific proof either, but at least some reasoning and explanations instead of just statements.
I'm not saying Astralwalker's work in only full of claims, the relevant corn circles are explained in depth and very reassuring, but other statements just kind of hang in the air.

[Luminari]

I view the Internet as a giant "Copyleft" situation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft) with regards to copyright licensing and referencing of images.

Basically any image uploaded onto the freely accessible internet becomes part of a global 'creative commons'.

"While copyright law protects the rights of the creator by providing control of distribution and modification, the idea of copyleft is to grant subjective libre freedom to end users."

[Czymra]

I view the Internet as a giant "Copyleft" situation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft) with regards to copyright licensing and referencing of images.

Basically any image uploaded onto the freely accessible internet becomes part of a global 'creative commons'.

"While copyright law protects the rights of the creator by providing control of distribution and modification, the idea of copyleft is to grant subjective libre freedom to end users."

I couldn't agree more, but that doesn't resolve credibility issues. Again, I'm not talking about professional/scientific credibility, but something of substance.

[Malletzky]

No, you don't, but I think there is a difference between simply posting something to open it up for discussion and creating a long thread which ends up in a huge theory without backing half of it up. I don't need scientific proof either, but at least some reasoning and explanations instead of just statements.
I'm not saying Astralwalker's work in only full of claims, the relevant corn circles are explained in depth and very reassuring, but other statements just kind of hang in the air.

And that's the point here...IT IS a Theory. And I do not have to prove my theories, otherwise they would become facts and would be measurable.

It's just that easy, as take it or leave it. If the theory resonates with our heart and our feelings, we kind a stick to it and take it as a truth.
If we dismiss the theory, we can go futher.
In the second case, if I dismiss a theory, why even bother and consistenly ask for any proofs, knowing that there is no scientific or any other by human standard measurable proof? No logic here...

Anyone of you ever had a chance to see James from the Wingmakers live on interview? Me neither! But his theories and teachings resonates with my feelings, so I take it as it is.
The same here, with the material presented from Astralwalker.

And last, but not least, do you still remember the first words of Astralwalker in his first post in the Nexus 2001 thread? Not any more?

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I would like to share few thoughts and conclusions with all of you who want to listen about my research on the 2012 scenario. They will be simplified to the point where some scholars and scientists could argue about a part of which will be presented, but the main facts are true.

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...all of us who want to listen...about HIS research...

I belong to the listeners...

with :wub2:
malletzky

[777 The Great Work]

A beautiful thing is taking place. We are all learning how to descern vs seek concrete things. This form of communication is extending towards telethapy, for that which is divine is unseen without facts .

[Czymra]

And that's the point here...IT IS a Theory. And I do not have to prove my theories, otherwise they would become facts and would be measurable.

It's just that easy, as take it or leave it. If the theory resonates with our heart and our feelings, we kind a stick to it and take it as a truth.
If we dismiss the theory, we can go futher.
In the second case, if I dismiss a theory, why even bother and consistenly ask for any proofs, knowing that there is no scientific or any other by human standard measurable proof? No logic here...

Anyone of you ever had a chance to see James from the Wingmakers live on interview? Me neither! But his theories and teachings resonates with my feelings, so I take it as it is.
The same here, with the material presented from Astralwalker.

And last, but not least, do you still remember the first words of Astralwalker in his first post in the Nexus 2001 thread? Not any more?

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I would like to share few thoughts and conclusions with all of you who want to listen about my research on the 2012 scenario. They will be simplified to the point where some scholars and scientists could argue about a part of which will be presented, but the main facts are true.

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...all of us who want to listen...about HIS research...

I belong to the listeners...

with :wub2:
malletzky

Granted we all need to take what we resonate with, but likening Astralwalker's material to the one of WingMakers is just not appropriate. James goes into lengthy explanations about many details, draws upon images or metaphors to help one reason with the material, even if it is constantly stated that reason isn't the way to access it.
This is a way of leading people intellectually through on a process to something that can't be understood intellectually, I think it's only appropriate then to explain the theories in some fashions.
These illustrations aren't given in most of Astralwalker's material. It's just there, take it or leave it.
I understand that this can be excused with the attitude of dismissing any science and need for further explanation, but hey, if it isn't an intellectual thing you're describing, and you don't want to make it easier for the intellectual people to 'get it', why even bother using language? I'm sure it'd be better conveyed by a hug or so.

However, it's good that you remind us of the beginning quote. If one takes it all as personal 'thoughts and conclusions' it becomes quite justifiable... it's just not presented as such along the way.
Please understand, I'm not trying to disrupt anything here, as mentioned before, for the big picture is beautiful and radiant. It's just the methods of presentation that I struggle with, and I think many others would as well, as already voiced.

I am convinced that none of us should be a sci-entist nor a be-lie-ver, but 'resonating' with what's written can be as easily manipulated as the 'science' behind many studies. So where does that leave me?
I don't know, but I just can't advocate too much of either side.

[Malletzky]

Oh, I never intented to liken the materials presented from James and Astralwalker. How could I? It's prety obvious, that James' presentation is much more exalted. But this is understandable, don't forget that Astralwalker's native language is not english. Yeah, I know, this language barrier is too high for us humans.

A beautiful thing is taking place. We are all learning how to descern vs seek concrete things. This form of communication is extending towards telethapy, for that which is divine is unseen without facts .

And this should be our final goal!!!!

No, I just wanted to point the fact that we've never seen James live as well. Not even a photo...So how could we be sure? And that's, once again, the point where you just take it (if it resonates with you) or dismiss it...

And Czymra my freind, I don't think you're disrupting anything here. It's just fine that we can discuss about this.

I would only disagree, that using language must be an intellectual act. Language is our main source of communication, nothing more.

By the way, James and Atralwalker do have something in common:

They both witheld knowledge of things which I know will blow our limited minds if they should present this knowledge today.

So let's awaken and be ready to absorb this knowledge.

Oh, and I sure will be very happy to see both James and Astralwalker interviewed by Bill and Kerry. So it's their turn to take some action...:thumb_yello:

with :wub2:

malletzky

[Czymra]

They both witheld knowledge of things which I know will blow our limited minds if they should present this knowledge today.


Too true, the same with Drunvalo... I'm not sure if I'm anxious or excited about it. ;)

I shall do my best translating the rest now.

[mudra]

A thread is not a book..
If Astralwalker had decided to write a book on Nexus and put a proper background to all the points he makes that would have probably taken him another year or two before getting published.
On the nexus thread he shared his ideas and some of his research with enough material to resonate with many of us within a few weeks.
Astralwalker is a being Light. He is not interesting to conquer our minds. He is interested to speak to our hearts. To our soul foundation .
Our hearts have been conquered because something in each of us was waiting for this call. The moment the signal was put there we answered back immediately . We were ready for this !
The mind has done many brilliant things in this plane but has as well led to an abyss.
If we want to change this world we have to work it from the soul, from the soul's heart and remember our foundation as spiritual beings. We have to remember how big we are and infinite.
As james puts it this is a time for a soul shift. Once we accomplish this the world will never look the same any longer.
If you ask your questions from the heart , the soul's heart you'll know what is right and you 'll not need any one to prove it to you.
So what is the best thing ? To know before we go or to go because we know ?

The secret is not so much in the knowing as it is in the BEING.

Kindness
mudra

[dayzero]

"Oh, and I sure will be very happy to see both James and Astralwalker interviewed by Bill and Kerry. "


NB - See the massive 25 Q+A session on the front of Camelot for a no-holds-barred interview with James by Kerry..........I don't think he'll be doing a video interview, it's not his M.O.

Do we need an interview with Astralwalker? Not really....!

Simply 'go within' - that's all. That's ALL!
Sounds too simple, huh?!
Drunvalo says the same.

Just 'go within'

Blessings all!

[futureyes]

"Oh, and I sure will be very happy to see both James and Astralwalker interviewed by Bill and Kerry. "


NB - See the massive 25 Q+A session on the front of Camelot for a no-holds-barred interview with James by Kerry..........I don't think he'll be doing a video interview, it's not his M.O.

Do we need an interview with Astralwalker? Not really....!

Simply 'go within' - that's all. That's ALL!
Sounds too simple, huh?!
Drunvalo says the same.

Just 'go within'
Blessings all!


until you look within, you live without
when you look within, you are able to go without
when you go within, you begin to clearly see without
when you live within, you finally let go without
when you let go without, you enrich within
when you enrich within, you are all right within and without

this is the formula for the eternal lightness of being ...

felt only within ...

:wub2:

[Malletzky]

i become suspicious when someone continually asks for credentials or background in online forums or chats. Considering that these forums and chats deal with, shall we say, highly controversial material these questions make me want to ask "who do you work for and what is your agenda." however, i'm not going to ask....i'll just wonder.

Take it or leave it but after last night/early this morning's chat.....enough already.

(moderator hat off.)

thank you!

[lightbeing]

The secret is not so much in the knowing as it is in the BEING.

Kindness
mudra

Thank you mudra for quoting Archangel Zadkiel.

Namaste
lightbeing

[waitinginthewings]

I have been aware in the last few years of what I call the "arrogance of intellect' Of university trained people who will only acknowledge those who have degrees. Of people who's ideas and inventions have been destroyed because some university expert couldn't understand the science, so they were dismissed as charlatans. Intellect and philosophy is well and good, but wisdom and experience beats it hands down.


i have a sister-in-law who is a Doctor of Philosophy. Her expertise is special needs children. Shes a great person, but she has never had kids and she can't even train her dog! These are the people who are approached and listened to for "expert' knowledge. Its b lsh t. People who are balanced in left and right brain wiil admire the aquarium with its life and colour. Left brained people will tip out the water and disect the dead animals!!!

Well Ive had my rant.

Heartfelt love and Intention is what I glean from Astralwalkers Thread. And Compassion and kindness. Thats the bottom line for me.

Carmen: As I read KathyT post, I was thinking exactly the same things as you.The problem with University educated people is that they get stuck in their "head" & they believe that their knowledge is the sum total of who they are......the knowledge becomes their "path" in life. To them, the heart is forgotten or ignored as not having any scientific validity. No wonder our world is heartless.

[Orion11]

kathy....

truth is truth...
does it matter who it comes from?
and whether or not you know what they look like?

does that really matter?

Have you ever seen an interview with Buddha?
have you never taken any of his words to heart?

maybe not....

just sayin....

you're focusing on something that means nothing.

that will get you nowhere quick. <3

Thanks Astralwalker, and everyone else for including me. :wub2:

[TheChosen]

I get allergy reactions when I hear this academic talk :) (references, peer review, titles.. yikes). I have masters degree myself and know how things work in academia... even signed for a PhD programme (but left after 3 weeks after seeing that its all one big fraud). Got a friend too who got the PhD. It's a joke...

I definately understand the need to get a 'feel' of the person behind the information. It is very useful to be able to see them talk it out as much information is then shared on the subcoscious level (body language for example).. or even reversed speach information (check it out on google)

The future is in sharing information from the heart and soul, in a free flowing manner where the pictures added with the text express and share your emotions and give you a better 'feeling' about the matter being said. You don't believe it? Fine... nobody asked you to..

[Seashore]

I become suspicious when someone continually asks for credentials or background in online forums or chats. Considering that these forums and chats deal with, shall we say, highly controversial material these questions make me want to ask "Who do you work for and what is YOUR agenda." However, I'm not going to ask....I'll just wonder.

Take it or leave it but after last night/early this morning's chat.....enough already.

(Moderator hat off.)

In my opinion, if you are a Moderator on a public forum, and you want to take that moderator hat off, you should do it in a private message.

[alyscat]

I'm with Kathleen on this. I moderated a public forum for 6 years. I posted on it mostly with my moderator hat off - in fact, on the forum if I posted as a moderator, I always said "moderator hat on" - I handled most of my moderation privately, so as not to embarrass the other party, who mostly broke forum rules unknowingly.

After all, I wouldn't have been on the forums at all if I didn't love the subject matter, and disallowing an opinion to me just because I was a moderator didn't seem fair.

Now, that said, there are people who moderate huge forums who are "professional moderators" They read it all, so as to determine if there's something that needs moderating, but they usually have several boards they're moderating, and they don't become involved in the subject matter. Hard to believe, I know, but I know of at least one other person who is like that, actually, more than one. LOL

I also found that there were forum members who resented the fact that "anyone" had powers over them (most of these were guys in the 18 to 40 age group), in any way (which you could say a moderator does) and they tried over and over to put the moderator in a little box so they (the forum member) could control the moderator (and it was particularly noticeable with the female moderators). And then there were the members that thought because something was done one way on one board, it should be done the same way on all boards, and frequently would post "instructions" to the moderators. (As if somehow PMs wouldn't do.)

Feh - :wall:

Carry on, Kathleen :original:.

IMHO we've got a good set of modertors here, and I"ve now hijacked this thread :mfr_lol: I'll return it to the earlier argument about whether a person can "believe" another person without "hearing" or "seeing" that person, and whether taking someone else's word for it is sufficient. (knowing in my heart that the answer is different for everyone)

alys

[Seashore]

I take my moderator hat off so I can post like anyone else, without it being construed as a position of the forum. Being a moderator does not mean that I cannot have an opinion and post it as any other member would. Generally when I post a private message it is with my moderator hat on, unless otherwise stated. When I say moderator hat off I am stating my own opinion. Are you saying because I am a moderator I cannot do so? In my opinion that is not right.

I feel that as a Moderator you have some power, and you should have a sense of responsibility.

I think that in your post, you were actually functioning as a Moderator, yet stating that you were not functioning as a moderator.

[Czymra]

How about a new moderator paradigm here on Avalon....no one has anymore "power" than anyone else.

Now that we all contribute in some sense I think that would be highly appropriate.

[Seashore]

I may have to see if I can find your one book and read it. It will tell me a lot about how you gather data and present your theories. At least now I can begin to find some reviews on it.

Google Book Search has a really thorough preview of the book:

http://books.google.com/books?id=BHT9N08lGrIC&dq=extraordinary+powers+in+humans&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=GdslkB1hXm&sig=Vz1-b3NcuPi-azt6foQuHSjoKgI&hl=en&ei=RVCYSYyLBuCbtwedmq20Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result#PPA8,M1

(It looks like a very good book. I have it on order now. I'm looking forward to reading it.)

[Malletzky]

You can read and download the book here as pdf file:

http://projectcamelot.net/extraordinary_powers_in_humans_ebook_by_pane_andov .pdf

malletzky

[sun-toon´]

By the way, James and Astralwalker do have something in common:

They both withheld knowledge of things which I know will blow our limited minds if they should present this knowledge today.



Personally I'm not too worried about having my mind blown. None of the AW info should be too expansive to anyone who's read much sci-fi. It's basically a synopsis of a good part of the 2012 information that's on the web. Some is scientific but most of the presentation is intuitive.

Many people contact me and asked if this is my idea to misuse this global field of energy that will be accumulated in those planetary meditations because it is obvious that I do not share all my knowledge on the dynamics how this works.

I guess people are scared and I understand that. There is no misuse of this combined psionic focus, and my intentions are totally positive.

It is true that I withhold information about the dynamics of all this, in fact I have shared only a small amount of what I know about this and the events that are coming. But the reason for that is simple because I fallow the wisdom and timing of greater consciousness – Gaia.

I'm not even clear on the precise goals of the Nexus 2012 event. That may be in the thread but it was 40 pages long when I first saw it, and being a simple person who likes to get to the point, I find it hard to follow.

It seems to me that in any global, group alchemy project, all procedures, dynamics and possible misuses of energy should be noted and clarified, not withheld. This is the problem I have with "events" such as this. You're asking mostly mundane people to reach out and function as sorcerers, following some magical process that someone has created for them, but most of us know very little about sorcery (the energetics involved) even though we use it every other minute of our lives. Simultaneous and organized meditation with hundreds of other people is not the same as meditating every morning in your room. It's more like you're inviting hundreds of people into your "room" with you. It feels kind of like church to me, a perfect example of the misuse of magic and sorcery.

IMO there clearly is a threat, not only of energy misdirection, but of the possibility of the energy being hijacked by matrix agents (for lack of a better term). Everyone participating should know this fact and know something about preventing it from happening....and that should be a part of the initial instructions.

Also, to back Kathy T's criticisms to some extent... we are talking the end of the world in a half dozen possible scenarios here. The science and references should be important to everyone...though I don't really care about where the images come from, only that there should be fewer of them.

At the same time, there's no proof of the multidimensional aspects of it, so no there's no point in demanding that, or a peer review of it. All we can do is analyze AW's presentation, see if there's scientific backing for that part of and then let it resonate. As for me, I don't resonate with the end of the world stuff, but it's clear that we're in the midst of major acceleration of energy and that it's affecting consciousness in a powerful manner.

Maybe it is the end of time, or time as we perceive it. I do think we can morph the future, because that's how it works anyway (first someone thinks of something, then puts energy behind it, then adds action, then it manifests). It seems like focusing a specific intent at specific times could have an effect, but it's also creating pathways and portals into every participants energy field and this is nothing to be taken lightly. The fact that someone saw patterns or whatever is not an indication that it's working in the way that was intended.

[piers2210]

Well put, Sun-toon (is that korean?)..i like what u say. Ultimately we must just go with our own feelings and be prepared (mentally) as well as physically). I want change myself. Personally, and for the world.

By the way, have a read of futureyes post #32 (i think) above...lovely words, thanks futureyes...
P.

[Czymra]

I agree Sun-Toon', those are my concerns as well. I'm not convinced that whatever takes the energy can't fake the 'love and light' feeling.

As for the mind blowing, dude most of what I've read the last months hasn't blown my mind at all.
I has change my awareness, yes, but sadly my world is pretty much the same old still.

[sun-toon´]

I agree Sun-Toon', those are my concerns as well. I'm not convinced that whatever takes the energy can't fake the 'love and light' feeling.

As for the mind blowing, dude most of what I've read the last months hasn't blown my mind at all.
I has change my awareness, yes, but sadly my world is pretty much the same old still.

Well Czymra, that being said, don't doubt for a moment that your mind can be blown. It's an endless process of expansion and integration. The whole idea being put forth by all the ascension movement people (and also by non-people :>)...that we'll get to some point where we get it all, become fully aware and go on to work for some brotherhood of light, is IMHO, a pile of cr@p. It's here, in the material world, and in particular this one, that the light...the higher frequency information we carry, and which we're in the process of re-remembering, needs to manifest. And if it's not mind blowing enough for you, just try processing the idea that they kill people here for doing just that.
I don't think they'll kill anyone for Nexus 2012 though, and that says more than anything about my feelings towards it.

You're also absolutely correct about "them" faking the "love and light" feeling. It's not only possible, but quite normal for information, programming and matrix hooks to be inserted into us under the cover of ecstatic and even orgasmic sensations. This is exactly the point I was trying to make about the need for a deeper understanding of the magical processes involved before diving into someone else's ceremony.


I think you have a valid point, KathyT. I did not spend much time on AstralWalker's thread, I just took note of the three premises he was building his case on: The Mayan Caledar, Paul laViolette's superwave theory and the very recent material on the holes in the magnetosphere.

The first two never had the credibility as a base for the kind of serious alarm that AstralWalker drummed up, and the last one is a very new finding that needs further evaluation. In fact I have read something on it that indicates the situation to be beneficial for our accellerating DNA changes.
I think it is the artwork that is spellbinding on this thread. It should give food for thought how we react psychologically to any material in the 'right' packaging.
I also observed that this thread sucked a lot of energy from this forum, the thread became very long. I will take the time to read it now to see all the input.
The result all in all is not negative, I feel. Many people will not jump so easily another time, perhaps?

As for the scheduled meditation, this will be a comfort for many as one is feeling a sense of unity in something that is done collectively. I am also glad that caution has been advised on checking the situation with the sites and so on. Personally I prefer to meditate with small groups that I know to be sharing a common goal.

I just want to comment that I blew past this post last night, and that I agree with it and probably would have used it to say much of what I said if I'd seen it. I want to second the idea that Josefine makes about the artwork and packaging of the event. I thought it was very distracting to include all the groovy photoshopped "astral light" pictures, and also to use gigantic fonts, etc (what is with that anyway?). The pages take a long time to load and it takes forever to read through the thread.

I'm not saying Nexus 2012 is a waste of time, becuase it is interesting and the seed of what might be a grand idea, but it is a waste of time to spend hours reading through what could have been stated clearly in a couple of pages.


A couple sidebar comments-
To piers2210: no, it's not korean, just an old buckeye thing I've been carrying around. Also, since I'm new here what's with the overbearingly concise "expletives deleted" programming? I'm surprised y'all are so comfortable being treated like 8 year olds.

[Czymra]

I just want to comment that I blew past this post last night, and that I agree with it and probably would have used it to say much of what I said if I'd seen it. I want to second the idea that Josefine makes about the artwork and packaging of the event. I thought it was very distracting to include all the groovy photoshopped "astral light" pictures, and also to use gigantic fonts, etc (what is with that anyway?). The pages take a long time to load and it takes forever to read through the thread.

I'm not saying Nexus 2012 is a waste of time, becuase it is interesting and the seed of what might be a grand idea, but it is a waste of time to spend hours reading through what could have been stated clearly in a couple of pages.


A couple sidebar comments-
To piers2210: no, it's not korean, just an old buckeye thing I've been carrying around. Also, since I'm new here what's with the overbearingly concise "expletives deleted" programming? I'm surprised y'all are so comfortable being treated like 8 year olds.

Josefine's discernment skills are top notch, but I can even see an agenda in that. We all have agenda's don't we.
However, I think it's all a wonderful process if we bring it all out of us without compromise, full clash. That is the only process that will really allow us to tell truth from lie. All of us carry memes that have been planted and unknowingly further them. Only this exchange can identify them as such.
Regarding the way the thread looks, yes it's scrambled, but the summaries and it's translations make up for that.
I'm no friend of overly photoshopped pictures or gigantic fonts, but if that is what people think is needed to express their emotions, I think one should not scrutinise it. Too much 'professionalism' kills the fun.

Regarding the 'censorship' of swearwords, I find it funny as well. I'd never do it but in order to be polite I'll adapt.
However, I think the positive end of this is that one is challenged to find words that precisely describe a feeling or a dynamic instead of just using the omnipotent f word or its friends.

Seeding the notion of 'being treated like 8 year olds' is as much a programming trick of suckering us into pride as the 'censorship' itself is.

[jetles]

Or if you are like me and live the feel, weight, smell of a REAL tome.......

Extraordinary Power of Humans at Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Extraordinary-Powers-Humans-Pane-Andov/dp/1425130178/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1234751602&sr=8-2)


good price too, only 2 left in stock amazon usa

I just ordered one:)
Cant wait to read it I'm so excited:)

[mudra]

Sun-Toon,

Here is the link where you can find the downloadable summary of the nexus thread:
http://www.buycontacthasbegun.com/nexusform.html
It's well worth reading.

Jetles,

I am currently reading Astralwalker's book: " Extraordinary powers in humans". An excellent book !
You won't be disappointed .
I can only recommend it to everyone !

Kindness
mudra

[sun-toon´]

Sun-Toon, Here is the link where you can find the downloadable summary of the nexus thread:
http://www.buycontacthasbegun.com/nexusform.html
It's well worth reading.

Thx, mudra...I'll check this out. I downloaded the book as well.


Josefine's discernment skills are top notch, but I can even see an agenda in that. We all have agenda's don't we.
I'm no friend of overly photoshopped pictures or gigantic fonts, but if that is what people think is needed to express their emotions, I think one should not scrutinise it. Too much 'professionalism' kills the fun.
Seeding the notion of 'being treated like 8 year olds' is as much a programming trick of suckering us into pride as the 'censorship' itself is.

Well I'm not buying into this. If you're going to paint Josefine's discernment as an agenda you should explain that. It was an observation and a good one.

I can halfway agree with the 2nd comment...I'm not into killing anyone's fun or spontaneity, but posters should understand that sometimes their means of expression, when they were emotional for a moment last week, might lose it's impact and even become annoying when threads become historical references rather than active conversation. (i.e. you can always go back and edit).
OTOH, I don't feel it's appropriate to declare what cannot be scrutinized.

As for accusing me of "seeding" some sort of "program" into this forum because my ability to express myself (and yours as well) is curtailed by an absurd forum programing decision, one which censors the word "c r a p"; and then having a mod without the hat declare that "wise" and "profound"...Honestly, those have to be among the strangest two posts I've ever seen in venue where most of the membership seems reasonably rational.
Would the next step be to prohibit violent words like "murder" and "rape"?

Since I've only made about a dozen posts here, I suppose my comments carry no weight with the regulars, but I do have more than a decade of experience with forums and newsgroups. It's my opinion, derived from observation, that censoring anything but the most outrageous personal attacks and trolling does nothing to enhance the spirit of communication and the exchange of ideas. This exchange is my agenda, so have no doubts about that. It's one that I assumed would be in sync with the mission of avalon.

~~~
I came back into this and edited because I've been away from my desk and thinking about it.
I'm not saying we should agree, differing points of view are a positive and necessary part of the equation. But, to insinuate that the act of questioning the rulemakers is somehow out of line, makes me a bit uneasy about your hidden agendas...and questioning an act of scrutiny is an even more extreme level of control. Conform all you like, but the use of social intimidation to coerce your level of conformity out of others is not conducive to an atmosphere of creative exchange.

As a sovereign individual, I take responsibility for my own actions and feel no need for rulemakers at all. None. I don't need policed to protect others from me, and I don't need protected from myself. That is the vibrational realm we're moving into when we're moving into higher dimensional realms. It means understanding and accepting the consequences of action, without authority figures (or gods) dictating what we should be doing. If you're not ready to do that on the freakin' internet, you're certainly not ready to do it in real life.

[Czymra]

Thx, mudra...I'll check this out. I downloaded the book as well.




Well I'm not buying into this. If you're going to paint Josefine's discernment as an agenda you should explain that. It was an observation and a good one.

I can halfway agree with the 2nd comment...I'm not into killing anyone's fun or spontaneity, but posters should understand that sometimes their means of expression, when they were emotional for a moment last week, might lose it's impact and even become annoying when threads become historical references rather than active conversation. (i.e. you can always go back and edit).
OTOH, I don't feel it's appropriate to declare what cannot be scrutinized.

As for accusing me of "seeding" some sort of "program" into this forum because my ability to express myself (and yours as well) is curtailed by an absurd forum programing decision, one which censors the word "c r a p"; and then having a mod without the hat declare that "wise" and "profound"...Honestly, those have to be among the strangest two posts I've ever seen in venue where most of the membership seems reasonably rational.
Would the next step be to prohibit violent words like "murder" and "rape"?

Since I've only made about a dozen posts here, I suppose my comments carry no weight with the regulars, but I do have more than a decade of experience with forums and newsgroups. It's my opinion, derived from observation, that censoring anything but the most outrageous personal attacks and trolling does nothing to enhance the spirit of communication and the exchange of ideas. This exchange is my agenda, so have no doubts about that. It's one that I assumed would be in sync with the mission of avalon.

~~~
I came back into this and edited because I've been away from my desk and thinking about it.
I'm not saying we should agree, differing points of view are a positive and necessary part of the equation. But, to insinuate that the act of questioning the rulemakers is somehow out of line, makes me a bit uneasy about your hidden agendas...and questioning an act of scrutiny is an even more extreme level of control. Conform all you like, but the use of social intimidation to coerce your level of conformity out of others is not conducive to an atmosphere of creative exchange.

As a sovereign individual, I take responsibility for my own actions and feel no need for rulemakers at all. None. I don't need policed to protect others from me, and I don't need protected from myself. That is the vibrational realm we're moving into when we're moving into higher dimensional realms. It means understanding and accepting the consequences of action, without authority figures (or gods) dictating what we should be doing. If you're not ready to do that on the freakin' internet, you're certainly not ready to do it in real life.

I really appreciate your answer.

I don't want to get too deep into this because I don't think we're actually opposing each other. I too take responsibility for my actions, even (especially) if they are out of line with the status quo. In fact, just yesterday I had to witness a censoring of sexual comments (in no way derogatory) and that I think is utterly unnecessary. It in fact, killed a contribution to the forum. However, it seems that there are issues regarding what content can actually be posted and supposedly (I didn't check this myself) a forum could be taken down for 'corrupting the youth' or whatever excuse it might be. Not that this forum couldn't be taken down for hundreds of other reasons.
Copyright infringement would be the least of them. Why however this forum considers itself above copyright but not above that f***ing decadence and hypocrisy (I bleeped myself! but this time the word IS descriptive) I do not know.

Be that as it may, I'll keep my eyes open because if this continues I might want to use my voice for all that's worth.
As for my 'accuse' of Josephine's intentions having an agenda, well I guess I have to apologise for I didn't mean it as an accuse. As you so eloquently illustrated yourself, anybody can be accused of having an agenda. Are they even real people? No one knows. I am just trying to see the dynamics behind the entity that posts it and I'm somewhat confused when supposedly real people never contradict themselves, are real hard-liners... because I certainly, as you just noticed, throw the odd statement that wasn't as well thought through as I hoped it would be, but hey, at least I come with humility to to accept that and apologise.

It's people that are supposedly spiritually enlightened, yet have not humility whatsoever that make me really weary.

[AussieG]

For Avalon forum members :mfr_omg: we are very please to announce the attendance in person of Astralwalker of the Nexus thread. Who is in Melb.: :welcomeani: I can vouch that he is real and rididige. :thumb_yello: He only just arrived in Aus. and after a time to settle and adjust we will talk extensively, with an idea of posting a video in the near future, if Kerry and Bill don't beat us to it.

[sun-toon´]

it seems that there are issues regarding what content can actually be posted and supposedly (I didn't check this myself) a forum could be taken down for 'corrupting the youth' or whatever excuse it might be. Not that this forum couldn't be taken down for hundreds of other reasons.
Copyright infringement would be the least of them. Why however this forum considers itself above copyright but not above that f***ing decadence and hypocrisy (I bleeped myself! but this time the word IS descriptive) I do not know.

Hmmm. It wasn't my intent to get into this discussion, but I think it may be one of the most important subjects that needs to be brought out in the open here. Who says there are content indiscretions that can get the forum banned? and from where? If this is true then we might has will hang it up and find another way to communicate, because unless we're writing in code, the very objective of this level of discourse is going to anti-PTB, anti-status quo and revolutionary at it's core.

We're not saving the current system, and if anyone thinks so, I suggest you hang up the thought. It's over, rotten to and from the core, and needs overwritten with an entirely new program. If that program can't be sketched out, as creatively as possible, and maybe even more importantly, alliances created in the same way, why are we wasting our time? My Space is a click away, and they don't seem worried about anything but showing a tit.


Be that as it may, I'll keep my eyes open because if this continues I might want to use my voice for all that's worth.
As for my 'accuse' of Josephine's intentions having an agenda, well I guess I have to apologise for I didn't mean it as an accuse. As you so eloquently illustrated yourself, anybody can be accused of having an agenda. Are they even real people? No one knows. I am just trying to see the dynamics behind the entity that posts it and I'm somewhat confused when supposedly real people never contradict themselves, are real hard-liners... because I certainly, as you just noticed, throw the odd statement that wasn't as well thought through as I hoped it would be, but hey, at least I come with humility to to accept that and apologise.

It's people that are supposedly spiritually enlightened, yet have not humility whatsoever that make me really weary.


Well Czymra, this was my way of checking to see if you're a real person. I've read a few of your posts and I was almost stunned to see such seeming support for the local PTB. I have it in on good authority through the grapevine that Josefine is real as well.

BTW, are you talking about copyright infringements that derive from the re-posting of other net available information? If so, that seems like one more issue that could easily be solved by personal responsibility, and enforced, not by censorship, but by politely reminding each other to give credit where credit is due. Very little of what's on the web is put there by anyone who thinks their intellectual property is not going to travel. Instead, most everyone (Reuters excluded), gets an ego boost from having their material go viral. They don't care where it gets used, but everyone wants their work linked back to the source, and I don't see why that's too much to ask.

The needed humility of the supposedly spiritually enlightened is a topic that could fill a book, and in fact I'm half thinking about it. :>)

[mudra]

For Avalon forum members :mfr_omg: we are very please to announce the attendance in person of Astralwalker of the Nexus thread. Who is in Melb.: :welcomeani: I can vouch that he is real and rididige. :thumb_yello: He only just arrived in Aus. and after a time to settle and adjust we will talk extensively, with an idea of posting a video in the near future, if Kerry and Bill don't beat us to it.
Great news Aussie G,

Looking forward for this video :)

Kindness
mudra

[Czymra]

Hmmm. It wasn't my intent to get into this discussion, but I think it may be one of the most important subjects that needs to be brought out in the open here. Who says there are content indiscretions that can get the forum banned? and from where? If this is true then we might has will hang it up and find another way to communicate, because unless we're writing in code, the very objective of this level of discourse is going to anti-PTB, anti-status quo and revolutionary at it's core.

We're not saving the current system, and if anyone thinks so, I suggest you hang up the thought. It's over, rotten to and from the core, and needs overwritten with an entirely new program. If that program can't be sketched out, as creatively as possible, and maybe even more importantly, alliances created in the same way, why are we wasting our time? My Space is a click away, and they don't seem worried about anything but showing a tit.

You're welcome to drive it. Whenever I went (in the Nexus thread) on about 'where are the backup systems, do you all have private contact already, what kind of organisation is taken beyond this board?' all I got as a reply is that "all will be fine, of course people are privately conversing".
What shall I say. In fact, there are many people who are a little frustrated with this attitude but their posts seem to become less and less. Asteram and cloud9 are the first to think of.



Well Czymra, this was my way of checking to see if you're a real person. I've read a few of your posts and I was almost stunned to see such seeming support for the local PTB. I have it in on good authority through the grapevine that Josefine is real as well.

BTW, are you talking about copyright infringements that derive from the re-posting of other net available information? If so, that seems like one more issue that could easily be solved by personal responsibility, and enforced, not by censorship, but by politely reminding each other to give credit where credit is due. Very little of what's on the web is put there by anyone who thinks their intellectual property is not going to travel. Instead, most everyone (Reuters excluded), gets an ego boost from having their material go viral. They don't care where it gets used, but everyone wants their work linked back to the source, and I don't see why that's too much to ask.

The needed humility of the supposedly spiritually enlightened is a topic that could fill a book, and in fact I'm half thinking about it. :>)

Wait a second, I'd really like to see a list of posts that support 'the local PTB'. What are the local PTB? Moderators? Kathleen?
This sounds like an anarchy trip. Is the next system anarchy of love and happiness? I don't know. It's rather hard to grasp and I think it'd be better to not lead towards a specific concept of a system because it's likely we wouldn't recognise it from this vantage point.
If you are of such anti-authority it almost sounds like you shouldn't be too far from the nexus thread. There, no leaders exist, just 'organisers'.

The copyright infringement is more a matter of sharing torrents and eBooks, the former is probably decided soon, PirateBay will show.

Forgive me for being so cynic but it does bring up old frustrations. Regarding humility, I doubt that writing a book about it will have any use.

[mudra]

To know another human being in their essence, you don’t really need to know anything about them — their past, their history, their story. We confuse knowing about with a deeper knowing that is non-conceptual. Knowing about and knowing are totally different modalities. One is concerned with form, the other with the formless. One operates through thought, the other through stillness.

Knowing about is helpful for practical purposes. On that level, we cannot do without it. When it is the predominant modality in relationships, however, it becomes very limiting, even destructive. Thoughts and concepts create an artificial barrier, a separation between human beings. Your interactions are then not rooted in Being, but become mind-based. Without the conceptual barriers, love is naturally present in all human interactions.


Eckhart Tolle
Source: Stillness Speaks

[sun-toon´]

Wait a second, I'd really like to see a list of posts that support 'the local PTB'. What are the local PTB?
Moderators? Kathleen?
This sounds like an anarchy trip. Is the next system anarchy of love and happiness? I don't know. It's rather hard to grasp and I think it'd be better to not lead towards a specific concept of a system because it's likely we wouldn't recognise it from this vantage point.

:>) You're a hoot Cz...
I already told you what my trip was, but I've never thought of the "anarchy of love and happiness". I think I like it. I'm going to have to contemplate that concept.

I wasn't suggesting that you've left a trail of support for the local PTB, but I heard things long before I decided to post here. Rumors abound, people who know people talk, others who've been removed from this list spew on other forums, etc...so it's clear that there is a local PTB.

I think I've said enough on this subject for now. I don't really have a problem, but I'm irritable, and I can see how something that may seem to promote congeniality and decorum can have far reaching negative implications.
This all started with a comment about the word masking tool, and now leads to this final statement: If the local PTB is first and foremost interested in finding solutions, they'll stay out of the way and encourage the widest and wildest discourse possible. The problems we face are far deeper and more profound than any of us can grok, and most of what's being discussed is tangential at best. Right now much of our planet's evolution is tied to a few people having their non-local memories activated piece by piece, and those pieces can come from anywhere. People who think outside of the box naturally tend to be uncomfortable in a setting of rules and restrictions, and IMO it's from outside of the box that the solutions will arise. The local PTB should be working to attract those types, not drive them away.

If you are of such anti-authority it almost sounds like you shouldn't be too far from the nexus thread. There, no leaders exist, just 'organisers'.

Although that doesn't seem to be the case in reality. There is leadership and it's leading no matter what they call themselves.
I have no problem with leaders, but leaders are not necessarily authorities, and authorities rarely have the insight to lead intelligently, otherwise they wouldn't need to be lording over others, enforcing what they've invented as "the rules". We're not in the army, though an army we may be. There are very few real rules, and true leaders only need to help others understand them. The proof of that understanding will manifest and educate as it always does.

Forgive me for being so cynic but it does bring up old frustrations. Regarding humility, I doubt that writing a book about it will have any use.

Well, the humility issue is only a part of it, and not the biggest one at that. I'm more interested in how deep so many are into their new age, old age, esoteric and magical studies, yet have skipped the basic lessons of integrity and impeccability. It's amazing how many metaphysical and mystical personalities, some of whom have actually acquired a great deal of far flung and valid information, still haven't learned not to mistreat their wife or cheat their business associates. We are what we do, not what we say.

[Czymra]

To know another human being in their essence, you don’t really need to know anything about them — their past, their history, their story. We confuse knowing about with a deeper knowing that is non-conceptual. Knowing about and knowing are totally different modalities. One is concerned with form, the other with the formless. One operates through thought, the other through stillness.

Knowing about is helpful for practical purposes. On that level, we cannot do without it. When it is the predominant modality in relationships, however, it becomes very limiting, even destructive. Thoughts and concepts create an artificial barrier, a separation between human beings. Your interactions are then not rooted in Being, but become mind-based. Without the conceptual barriers, love is naturally present in all human interactions.


Eckhart Tolle
Source: Stillness Speaks

Thanks,
that was necessary.

[Czymra]

I think I've said enough on this subject for now. I don't really have a problem, but I'm irritable, and I can see how something that may seem to promote congeniality and decorum can have far reaching negative implications.
This all started with a comment about the word masking tool, and now leads to this final statement: If the local PTB is first and foremost interested in finding solutions, they'll stay out of the way and encourage the widest and wildest discourse possible. The problems we face are far deeper and more profound than any of us can grok, and most of what's being discussed is tangential at best. Right now much of our planet's evolution is tied to a few people having their non-local memories activated piece by piece, and those pieces can come from anywhere. People who think outside of the box naturally tend to be uncomfortable in a setting of rules and restrictions, and IMO it's from outside of the box that the solutions will arise. The local PTB should be working to attract those types, not drive them away.

Fair enough, I still don't quite understand your concept of local PTB however. Tag some terms on it so I can imagine something concrete please.

Although that doesn't seem to be the case in reality. There is leadership and it's leading no matter what they call themselves.
I have no problem with leaders, but leaders are not necessarily authorities, and authorities rarely have the insight to lead intelligently, otherwise they wouldn't need to be lording over others, enforcing what they've invented as "the rules". We're not in the army, though an army we may be. There are very few real rules, and true leaders only need to help others understand them. The proof of that understanding will manifest and educate as it always does.

Well, it's a funny one. I too think that there will always be some that drive a project on. They may not be permanent or have force beyond their charisma and skill but they exist.

Well, the humility issue is only a part of it, and not the biggest one at that. I'm more interested in how deep so many are into their new age, old age, esoteric and magical studies, yet have skipped the basic lessons of integrity and impeccability. It's amazing how many metaphysical and mystical personalities, some of whom have actually acquired a great deal of far flung and valid information, still haven't learned not to mistreat their wife or cheat their business associates. We are what we do, not what we say.


This just hasn't gone down with me yet. That's when I get irritable... 'spiritually advanced' people abusing their social position. Go figure.

Anyway, rock on. It's good to have you here.

[KathyT]

Luminary and Dayzero : I think KathyT has made a very valid point here. Using both brain hemispheres is always better than just one.

Thank you Josefine, a good analogy… I do hope we all aspire to use both hemispheres in balance.


Many photos he has presented do not give reference to the sources. There is no way to verify whether they are real or not. If they are his own personal photos, he should claim ownership. If they are photos of others, he should give their source. He should have footnotes to all sources of information that are not his. There is nothing to be ashamed of if you have to reference the work of others that have come before you.
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I wanted to comment further on how other large forums have operated. Here’s the policy from one forum many of you will be familiar with:

“12/2006, Effective immediately, AboveTopSecret.com is handling inline images differently…
Generally, the new rule is simple:
You host it: if you have made arrangements to host the image either through a hosting service, your own website, or your ATS member upload space, you can visually display the image in your post.
A news service hosts it: If the image is owned by a news service, you can display it in a post by using a news tag.
All other images included in posts will now appear as an "external image" link.
“
The last one means, a link to the original source.

Kathy there is no place for doubt in the Heart. Your soul's heart will always tell you right.

I respectfully disagree with you here. There is room for doubt everywhere.

“True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance.”
“Akhenaton”

“Doubt is the beginning not the end of wisdom (Proverb)”

“Doubt is part of all religion. All the religious thinkers were doubters.”
“Isaac Bashevis”

“I respect faith, but doubt is what gets you an education.”
“Wilson Mizner”

You can read and download the book here as pdf file:
http://projectcamelot.net/extraordinary_powers_in_humans_ebook_by_pane_andov .pdf
malletzky

Malletzky, thank you for this post. It has been very helpful to me. I have now read much of his book, and that is a great help to understanding who Pane Andov is. I do think there is value in his book, a value to understanding the experiences such as he has had. I look forward to some day when he might do a radio or video interview.

To know another human being in their essence, you don’t really need to know anything about them — their past, their history, their story. We confuse knowing about with a deeper knowing that is non-conceptual. Knowing about and knowing are totally different modalities. One is concerned with form, the other with the formless. One operates through thought, the other through stillness.


"History is a better guide than good intentions."
Jeane Kirkpatrick, 1926-, U.S. political scientist and United States ambassador to the United Nations (1981-1985)

[burgundia]

"History is a better guide than good intentions."
Jeane Kirkpatrick, 1926-, U.S. political scientist and United States ambassador to the United Nations (1981-1985)

What is history? Now i doubt that it is a record of what happened in the past.

[burgundia]

History is written by the "winners"......

This is what I meant...

[mudra]

[QUOTE=KathyT;116448]
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I respectfully disagree with you here. There is room for doubt everywhere.

KathyT,

I believe the soul's heart does'nt doubt ..it knows because it's wholeness and not dichotomy.
Doubt lays in the field of the mind and has it's utility there .
I happily welcome though you having a different reality than mine.
That's fine.

"The greatest meditation is a mind that lets go."

Kindness
mudra

[KathyT]

I'm please to announce that Mel Fabregas of the Veritas Show has announced through his forum that he will be interviewing Astral Walker on his show this month! That is good news.
If you have questions, Mel has always been open to considering listener's questions for his show.
http://www.veritasshow.com/

[mudra]

Thanks for sharing this Kathy that's very good news :)
I am sure that makes you happy !

kindness
mudra

[solitaryman]

Discernement between faith, belief and knowledge is as important as discernement between soul and spirit and mind