Southern California Sacred Site

[whitecrow]

I'm inspired by the post on a sacred site in Australia to share this experience. I live about thirty miles north of San Diego, California. I grew up here, moved away for 25 years, and returned in 2000. I have spent a good part of my life hiking around these hills. Now that I am pushing 60, I still get out and hike as often as possible. I am VERY in tune with earth energies, and have discovered numerous ancient sites (which I have left intact and for the most part unrecorded).

Since moving to the northern part of San Diego I've been staring up at a huge monolith everyone calls Mesa Rock. I would never believe it is a natural feature except it's so huge, it can be seen for ten miles. Gradually I have discovered that this is part of a complex of standing stones that extends for miles. I've photographed and plotted some of these monuments. I have not discovered any evidence that anyone has ever seen these before - and yet it seems impossible to me that I should be the first.

Using GoogleEarth, I've discovered several important sites, alignments and possible hillside fortresses. I have found ancient terracing and at least three ancient dams, all of which still work. I have found an ancient wall, and while downloading the photos I took at that site I found three consecutive frames in which a round ball of white mist rises out of the bushes and drifts upward and out of the frame. I've also discovered an area that's literally ringed with earth fault lines which can be clearly seen from the air. All of this is part of this enormous complex. Although many of the stones may be natural formations, others were clearly maneuvered into specific locations and set up as landmarks.

Although I can find no evidence that anyone has taken notice of this huge ancient sacred site, every person who has gone out hiking with me and seen what I've pointed out has had an epiphany. Once you look at it, you know I am not mistaken...but it takes a lot of hiking and looking to see it.

Since I'm the only one who knows where this is, I am not anxious to share with academia. But if anyone in the area is into exploring a brand-new sacred site - as large as any in North America - let me know. And if I can figure out how, I'll post a few of the photos I've taken of these enormous standing stones.

[Excalibur]

I'm always up for a little adventure. I live in South Orange County...probably not too far from you. Not sure I'm ready to run off into the hills with a complete stranger yet, :bleh: but send me a private message

[whitecrow]

Not sure I'm ready to run off into the hills with a complete stranger yet...

Don't blame ya. Some Sunday, grab your girlfriend and put the top down and take a drive down the 15. You'd probably be picking it up in Corona, right? Come on south, down past Temecula and into San Diego County. Once you get over the big hill south of Temecula start looking at the hills. Lotta big rocks. BIG rocks. Lots of 'em.

Continue down towards Escondido...just past Hidden Meadows Road start looking up at the ridge on your right. You can't miss Mesa Rock. There are actually up to 20 standing stones stretched out along that ridge, but Mesa Rock is the size of a 5 or 6 story building, sticking up like a thumb.

Stay on the 15 til you reach the 78 and head west towards Oceanside. As you are going through San Marcos, look out your right window at the far ridge. There sits Mesa Rock, about eight miles away. Look back at the road now. Stop somewhere and have a nice lunch. When you get back you can let me know if you think you'd like to see more.

[Wormhole]

Whitecrow,
I'll be out that way this winter... I'll let you know how it goes! Please keep this Thread going, little by little you are going to find Southern California wakes up and goes hiking.

Thank you for sharing so sacred a site with the world. You are brave, we must all put our best forward to preserve and honor such places as well as the rest of this good Earth, for that matter.:thumb_yello:

Peace of mind,
Wormhole

[Excalibur]

Sounds intriguing whitecrow. Thanks for sharing. I may even get motivated and take a drive down there this weekend. I'll keep you posted on progress.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'm inspired by the post on a sacred site in Australia to share this experience. I live about thirty miles north of San Diego, California. I grew up here, moved away for 25 years, and returned in 2000. I have spent a good part of my life hiking around these hills. Now that I am pushing 60, I still get out and hike as often as possible. I am VERY in tune with earth energies, and have discovered numerous ancient sites (which I have left intact and for the most part unrecorded).

Since moving to the northern part of San Diego I've been staring up at a huge monolith everyone calls Mesa Rock. I would never believe it is a natural feature except it's so huge, it can be seen for ten miles. Gradually I have discovered that this is part of a complex of standing stones that extends for miles. I've photographed and plotted some of these monuments. I have not discovered any evidence that anyone has ever seen these before - and yet it seems impossible to me that I should be the first.

Using GoogleEarth, I've discovered several important sites, alignments and possible hillside fortresses. I have found ancient terracing and at least three ancient dams, all of which still work. I have found an ancient wall, and while downloading the photos I took at that site I found three consecutive frames in which a round ball of white mist rises out of the bushes and drifts upward and out of the frame. I've also discovered an area that's literally ringed with earth fault lines which can be clearly seen from the air. All of this is part of this enormous complex. Although many of the stones may be natural formations, others were clearly maneuvered into specific locations and set up as landmarks.

Although I can find no evidence that anyone has taken notice of this huge ancient sacred site, every person who has gone out hiking with me and seen what I've pointed out has had an epiphany. Once you look at it, you know I am not mistaken...but it takes a lot of hiking and looking to see it.

Since I'm the only one who knows where this is, I am not anxious to share with academia. But if anyone in the area is into exploring a brand-new sacred site - as large as any in North America - let me know. And if I can figure out how, I'll post a few of the photos I've taken of these enormous standing stones.


Hi Whitecrow,

I looked on Google, but I'm still not sure of the location.

Do you know one of the Essene power centers are located in that area?

When Jesus was a teenager, he lived with the Essene until his mid 20s. They were a gifted society with healers, psychics, mediums etc. Much of what he learned was taught to him by the Essene, some say they came from the stars.

The Essene opened a Center just north of Escondido at the location of an earth power vortex, from what you have described, I think it is very close to this location.

I have a few broken ribs right now, so won't be able to do any hiking for a while, but I'm game to try in a few months...

Here is a link to the Essene Retreat - Prayers for Peace Park

http://www.esseneinvinciblelight.org/PDF/ConfRegForm06.pdf


If anyone is interested, I think I can arrange for our Southern California meeting at this location...

We can add a little mysticism to the gathering...

[whitecrow]

Hi Whitecrow,

I looked on Google, but I'm still not sure of the location.

Do you know one of the Essene power centers are located in that area?

Hi Rocky, I know of the Peace Park Center, but I've never been there. It's in Valley Center which is the eastern edge of the vortex, if that's what it is. There are several retreats and religious centers in the area, and I am sure it's not a coincidence.

As for GoogleEarth, make your location 30° 11' 20.04" N and 117° 2' 57" W, altitude about 3km. You are looking down at an ancient grove of trees in the middle of a prehistoric lake bed running north and south, about a mile long, nestled among very rugged and rocky hills. This is part of the Daley Ranch property, and the trails you see are hiking and riding trails. The long looping lines of trees trace faults in the earth, where deep water can reach the surface and the tree roots can take hold. There are other fault lines not as visible from this altitude, that completely encircle the grove in the center of your screen.

Turn your compass so that you are looking west, and tilt the landscape so that the Pacific Ocean appears at the top of your screen. In real life this is about 25 miles away, and on a clear day it really does look that close. You can now see the range of hills that extends toward the coast, which are marked here and there by huge stone monoliths that have been there for many thousands of years.

Zoom in until your altitude is about 1km. Fly west until you see a freeway beneath you. That's the 15. The ridge on the west side is the location of Mesa Rock and its associated complex. Because building-sized features appear flat in GoogleEarth you won't actually see the standting stones, just where they are located. You can see that development is fast surrounding this site. If action is not taken to preserve it, most of it will be lost forever without people realizing it could be as significant as Stonehenge.

Now that you've located Mesa Rock, turn your compass again until you are looking east. Flying in this direction you will come upon an equally rugged rampart of rocks which towers over the city, and is where you started. I don't know the full dimensions of this sacred site, but it's plain to me that people have considered this area special since ancient times so it's no surprise to me that there are so many spiritual centers here.

This would be a great site for a gathering. It doesn't have the tourist clutter that Sedona has but hey, it is after all southern California, and it is truly a mysterious land about which very little is actually known.

[whitecrow]

Some pics...in the panoramic view, compare the size of the eighteen-wheeler on the freeway to the stones on the ridge...about five miles from the camera....


http://www.indigodave.com/socalstonehenge.jpg

http://www.indigodave.com/smpic01.jpg

http://www.indigodave.com/standingstone01.jpg

http://www.indigodave.com/standingstone02.jpg

http://www.indigodave.com/standingstone03.jpg

[Rocky_Shorz]

my google earth might not be synched right, I ended up a few hundred miles off shore, gonna be a tough hike...:shocked:


I changed the first number to 33 and was looking down at an enormous, Mushroom, saucer shaped object sitting on top of a hill, looks camouflaged from the road side...

[whitecrow]

I changed the first number to 33 and was looking down at an enormous, Mushroom, saucer shaped object sitting on top of a hill, looks camouflaged from the road side...

OK, this is really weird! 33° is correct. I somehow typed 30º and didn't catch my mistake. Somehow you automatically wound up in the right place. The round object is an old stock tank. It is almost completely hidden at ground level, surrounded by very dense brush.

[Rocky_Shorz]

OK, this is really weird! 33° is correct. I somehow typed 30º and didn't catch my mistake. Somehow you automatically wound up in the right place. The round object is an old stock tank. It is almost completely hidden at ground level, surrounded by very dense brush.

I'd like to say it was my amazing psychic abilities, but I really just zoomed to Escondido and when I saw how close the numbers were I stopped on 33

I just went through and looked at everything and see what you are talking about, where is the Essene center in relation?

[Teresa]

hi all,

What a great thread~ I will have to check this Mesa Rock out. . .

I have lived in Southern Cal all my life, and am just beginning to learn more about its sacred sites.
(I have still yet to see Joshua Tree !) :wink2:
It is true many native American Indians who worked with and honored nature had to leave behind many special places here.

Do you know anything about the "Mormon Rocks" they, too, seem very majestic and mysterious.... I have only driven by them on Hwy 138 going W- into Palmdale off from the N-I15 .

There's a lot of mystery deeply entrenched (and i mean that literally) within the grounds of L.A. also....
I will try to soon dig up a "write up" pertaining to an "alien influence" here...

:shocked:

[whitecrow]

I just went through and looked at everything and see what you are talking about, where is the Essene center in relation?

It would be just about due east a couple of miles. I haven't Googled it but it might prove interesting. Also in the immediate area is a Buddhist retreat, and on the south fringe of Escondido there's an artists commune of sorts, some kind of spiritual community that's been there for years. There is also another mysterious religious community of some kind that operates in an old mental hospital that is in a fairly wild and remote location. That place is supposed to be haunted, and I've seen some pretty creepy videos about it on YouTube.

[Rocky_Shorz]

It would be just about due east a couple of miles. I haven't Googled it but it might prove interesting. Also in the immediate area is a Buddhist retreat, and on the south fringe of Escondido there's an artists commune of sorts, some kind of spiritual community that's been there for years. There is also another mysterious religious community of some kind that operates in an old mental hospital that is in a fairly wild and remote location. That place is supposed to be haunted, and I've seen some pretty creepy videos about it on YouTube.

the reason I was wondering is if the Essene chose the center, could there be a 2 mile circle of the stones surrounding it on the hilltops? Maybe you have just uncovered one side of the circle...

[robyn]

Continue down towards Escondido...just past Hidden Meadows Road start looking up at the ridge on your right. You can't miss Mesa Rock. There are actually up to 20 standing stones stretched out along that ridge, but Mesa Rock is the size of a 5 or 6 story building, sticking up like a thumb.

Hey whitecrow, I used to live in Bonsall when it was just a wide spot in the road in the 70s. Heading on the I15 to Escondido was a huge rock up on the right. We always remarked that it looked like a lizard head. In the opposite direction from Escondido to Bonsall, it looks more like a beaver head to me anyway. I have no idea of the road names any more, but could this be the rock?

I have family down there so still see it occasionally. I'd be happy to go down there and explore or meet up with some folks.

[whitecrow]

Hey whitecrow, I used to live in Bonsall when it was just a wide spot in the road in the 70s. Heading on the I15 to Escondido was a huge rock ...could this be the rock?

That's Mesa Rock. It's just the biggest one. There are dozens of smaller ones.

[robyn]

That's Mesa Rock. It's just the biggest one. There are dozens of smaller ones.

Kewl, when do we meet? :original:

That rock has always attracted my attention, guess I know why now.

[whitecrow]

Kewl, when do we meet? :original:

That rock has always attracted my attention, guess I know why now.

Well, the weather's starting to cool off...I'd love to get a group together for a hike. I will be up in Fresno for a few days next month, but otherwise I can set something up as long as it's far enough in advance that I can plan for it.

[robyn]

Do you know anything about the "Mormon Rocks" they, too, seem very majestic and mysterious.... I have only driven by them on Hwy 138 going W- into Palmdale off from the N-I15

Yes, I know those. They're not too far from where I live. I've no idea if there is anyting special about them or not. Nice area tho...

[robyn]

Well, the weather's starting to cool off...I'd love to get a group together for a hike.

I would too. looking forward to it.

[whitecrow]

About Mormon Rocks: I know of the site & have driven through the area, but that's about it. Many if not most dramatic landscape features have held significance for people. So there's probably something there.

Southern California is energy-dense. The many seismic features have a piezo effect, I believe, and there's evidence that people were aware of this in ancient times. With all the weirdness that comes out of the area from time to time, I'm surprised there hasn't been any study in this area.

[Teresa]

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Southern California is energy-dense. The many seismic features have a piezo effect, I believe, and there's evidence that people were aware of this in ancient times. With all the weirdness that comes out of the area from time to time, I'm surprised there hasn't been any study in this area.


*

Thank you, WhiteCrow,

"You Said It !" ---- I sure agree-- Oh, man, did i have something 'beyond weird' happen to me in July of 1980.

Being 'this' is the 'Southern California Site' --- I AM going to START my 'story' HERE ! ---- (i'VE been wanting to write 'about this' for years !)

Be patient... with me.....

{I'm often 'distracted' to the max..... (Right now I'm dying my hair... shhhh)} ---- *(Must be that i was born only 4o min. or so from 'Holllywood' ---- I've never been able to shake off that 'vain energy'...... )

:yikes:

Anyway..... I will ALSO post soon that 'article' i found on L.A. 's ("underground Alien Influence"....)

peace *

; )

[Teresa]

Ok... I found the link :


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles27.htm




My father was born in LA in 1923,
and i remember him mentioning once after i
brought up "Lizard People" when referring to some
scraggly looking guys full of tattoos we saw in a desert
Casino once back in like 1994... My oldest sister got mad
at me and said something along the lines of, "oh, they're 'free to be'...."
My dad chimed in at that moment and (until a few years ago-- I always thought he was 'kidding'... but...) he said, "Yes, there really are 'lizard people' .." ---And that's ALL he said.

Now, i realize he probably 'remembered' when this 'newspaper article' came out in LA back in the 1930s.....

:yikes:

Thanks,

Teresa

[LoveLight]

Namaste Neighbors~

I live in San Marcos... a native Californian, returned back from AZ to California in 1987...

I have been reading this thread and know exactly where you are speaking of...near Lawrence Welk Village and RimRock...I believe! and the "haunted place" in South Escondido ... could that be "Questhaven"? on this side of the Del Dios?

I was very curious to read about all the Spiritual Communities in the Valley Center area...I have been organizing a new Energy Mission ... currently looking for a place here in North County...and also drawn to the Big Bear area...for quite sometime...

I do know that one of the directions of the Medicine Wheel that was created in Big Bear in 2004 by Blue Thunder (Bennie LeBeau) of the Shoshoni Tribe from Wyoming...to bring abundance of water to the area...one of the locations of the Medicine Wheel is Palomar Mountain...which the area did receive a huge abundance of rain and snow that year!

I just signed on this very evening...and am excited to share my love and light here...I am a teacher, creation artist and heart healer...and always a student of spirit...

I met Bill when he and Kerry appeared on a favorite website www.Lightworkers.org ... it was mentioned that this would be starting up soon...and low and behold...here we are! Blessings be to Bill and Kerry for the outstanding and true life altering work that they do...

I look forward to sharing and meeting you...and please feel free to check out www.Lightworkers.org ~ we are family!

I share Love from My Heart and the Song in My Soul!
courtland
aka
LoveLight

[whitecrow]

[FONT="Garamond"]
I live in San Marcos...know exactly where you are speaking of...near Lawrence Welk Village and RimRock...I believe! and the "haunted place" in South Escondido ... could that be "Questhaven"? on this side of the Del Dios?

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Howdy, Neighbor! It seems there are several of us here in southern CA and I'm hoping we can all meet up one day. You and I are just a couple miles apart. I live in Escondido & work in Vista, so I drive past you every day.

Yes, I was talking about Questhaven. I would love to look into that place someday. San Diego County is so full of mysteries! It's filled with haunted places and houses...ancient stone markers and monuments...incredible that most folks just never see it.

Next time you look up at Mesa Rock, notice that it's actually a group of at least six stones clustered together. Mesa Rock itself is the biggest by far. I don't know how tall it is - never been up there - but it's the size of a multistory building. If you explore the area around Mesa Rock, there are standing stones on hilltops, beside water towers, in people's yards. This means something. And directly across the freeway at Daley Ranch there are all kinds of traces of ancient habitation, including...you guessed it, more standing stones. I've even found one rock that appears to have runes carved into it.

I haven't explored the website you linked, but I bookmarked it...looks very interesting. I like the sound of your work. So many cool people here!

We should meet up some time. I can be found most afternoons at Frazier Farms in Vista, right off the freeway. I'm in the vitamin department. Can't miss me; just look for the King of the Leprechauns.

[whitecrow]

Ok... I found the link :


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles27.htm




My father was born in LA in 1923,
and i remember him mentioning once after i
brought up "Lizard People" when referring to some
scraggly looking guys full of tattoos we saw in a desert
Casino once back in like 1994... My oldest sister got mad
at me and said something along the lines of, "oh, they're 'free to be'...."
My dad chimed in at that moment and (until a few years ago-- I always thought he was 'kidding'... but...) he said, "Yes, there really are 'lizard people' .." ---And that's ALL he said.

Now, i realize he probably 'remembered' when this 'newspaper article' came out in LA back in the 1930s.....

:yikes:

Thanks,

Teresa

Teresa, that's really interesting! That newspaper article is amazing. There are so many reports of underground cities in the Southwest, they can't all be made-up. You gotta love this stuff.

[Teresa]

Spawned from my
crazy post above,

here's "a little taste" of
what i was referring to ~

I realize i will have to put
something together cohesively
someday in a pdf -- for a later,
possible book. (It's just a lot of
work for me to do right now; raising
four children ages 5 to 16; working
part-time; and planning a retreat home..)


http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=20520#post20520

It's post #53

[Teresa]

Teresa, that's really interesting! That newspaper article is amazing. There are so many reports of underground cities in the Southwest, they can't all be made-up. You gotta love this stuff.


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Hi Whitecrow,

I just noticed we're on page 2 here now !
(missed this post of yours earlier today...)

Yes-- you're right-- these "underground cities" can't all be made up....
I never knew a ding about them--
now, I'm starting to do some searchin' in this area...

I have another weird story for ya--- Remember the 'Northridge Earthquake' back in 1993 ?
I can remember it happened real early in the morning..... Well, that day before (actually evening or late afternoon) i did a radio show (first one in my life--- i was age 31) with Astrologer and Metaphysician, Farley Malorrus.
The radio station was a satellite one.... and it was located in Sunland; very close to Northridge.
There was a lot of damage done to the station--- Farley called me the next day and told me to not come back...
He made me feel bad.... like i had done something wrong.. or he almost implied i was what triggered the quake!
Now, when i think back,
i wonder if Farley knew about the Annunaki (which i had never heard of until a few years ago..)
Had i said something "on the air" to upset them?
All that stands out for me was the fact that i was discussing "family values" during the radio show... (going off-topic a bit for an astrology show)...

Anyhow.... thanks for letting me ramble--- But, hey, wouldn't it be so bizarre to 'ever' discover that earthquakes could be somehow related to an "alien force" under California..... 'not' just a result of "plates shifting"....

???

bizarre thoughts.... i know....

[Rocky_Shorz]

WhiteCrow,

after my dream last night, I think its time to go exploring...

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=27674#post27674

Do you have any plans for this weekend?

[whitecrow]

WhiteCrow,

Do you have any plans for this weekend?

Answered in PM...

I may be leading a group through Daley Ranch in Escondido this coming Monday or Tuesday. We'll see some standing stones and you can feel what earth energy feels like. You'll need good walking shoes, water, and a bit of endurance. Let me know if you'd like to go, anyone in the area?

[Fredkc]

Hey WhiteCrow;
We seem to be crossing paths a bit oday ;)
Howareya?

I'm up in Riverside, basically 15 60 interchange. For several years I drove daily to a job in Fallbrook. So 15 off at Mission then a drive "thru the woods" to town. Still have friends there, and family in Vista and Escondiddle. In fact I just drove down there twice in June to see family.

The panorama pic really kinda slapped me. the strip of road and the stones, once pointed out was one of those, "Now why hadn't I spotted those before" moments.

Now, I did an odd rambling "first post" here on another thread, the whole thing is here
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=28050&postcount=64

I wated to copy something from it here, just because of the "coincidence" of latitude...Another voice;
From a "preppers forum" I've frequented for years now, I followed a thread posted by someone who rarely says such things.. who even apologized in advance if his post cause unwarranted concern, yet did it. NOT his style, at all. But again it centered around the period Oct. 7-15. Particulars he couldn't give, but had the impression it involved the coastal states, and surrounds (seems a lot of ground).

TB2K, as forums go is a more varied audience than this one. "Preppers" include all manner of types, from militia, to desert rats, ex-military to newage nymphs. He took a bit of heat for his post, but nonetheless, a month's supplies was his thought.

He said latitude 33.33 seemed involved. Well, I opened up Google Earth and this is roughly the latitude of Phoenix. followed due west it strikes the very northern corner of Salton Sea. This, when google is searched winds up being where many place the "start" of the San Andreas fault. As someone who lives a scant 8 miles from where it crosses the 15 fwy this sorta made me go, "Hmmmmmm".While looking at this, I noticed my eye kept being drawn to the fact it also went right thru Temecula/Escondido area. What I mean is, the line extended out to the ocean puts Temecula just south, and Escondido just north of it. Ok, enuff on that.

Lastly, if I could, I am still looking for a bit of feedback on something from that post, so unless beaten severly, I will put it here.a question:
Time for this one would be around 1980. One of those damned dreams you just know wasn't a dream. In it I woke up on a table, on my back with maybe four of them around me, working. Couldn't tell you much about what they looked like as the room was so bright. One of them looked up and said, "Go back to sleep. You're being re-wired." like it was an upgrade of some sort. Wish I could tell you there was some great new me that awakened, but there wasn't. In fact, with all the rest that was going by at the time, it actually seemed very uneventfull and normal.

Any one else recall something similar?
Ty for the indulgence,

Fred

[woodshreder]

I have always thought that area of I 15 between Escondido and Fallbrook had a very sacred feeling to it . I grew up in San Diego and spent a lot of time as a kid exploring that area but more around Lake Wolford, that was when it was the Old Hiway 395 that took you to Temecula
I now live in Oregon but travel south often to visit family and friends Ill keep checking back, Id really enjoy doing a little expedition !
Great find White Crow your very observent !
Peace Light and Love

[Rocky_Shorz]

I was just pulling up a map, I'm heading up to Gopher Canyon tomorrow and ran across this...

Prayers For Peace Park

A secluded Retreat setting that once served as a ceremonial gathering place for ancient Indian Tribes. It is graced by Nature’s embrace, situated beneath an oak grove in Moosa Canyon with views to sacred White Eagle Point...

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/presentations/RetreatMap.htm

I'm going to drop by there tomorrow before heading west...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Story (http://www.fallbrook.org/history/gunfight-in-moosa-canyon.asp)

Gunfight in Moosa Canyon, 1888
Contributed by the Fallbrook Historical Society
Don Rivers, President

The following story was taken from notes written by Bessie (Ormsby) Helsel of stories told to her by her father John W. Ormsby. Also from clippings of articles that appeared in the Escondido Times Advocate, saved by Bessie Helsel and passed on to her daughter Janice Bricker, of Fallbrook, to whom we wish to thank for this material.

In 1887, Levi P. Stone, a bachelor school teacher from Rhode Island homesteaded land in upper Moosa canyon, which is approximately 10 miles north of Escondido and one mile east of Interstate 15. For those who are a little more familiar with the area it was east of Isaac J. Frazee's Woreland Castle, with its picturesque setting in a valley of luxuriant old oak trees and the beautiful Pamoosa Falls as a backdrop. It has been said that the Woreland Castle was a close copy of an ancient feudal castle in Scotland. ...

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://www.escondido.org/library/pioneer/history.htm

“It was Christmas Day in 1919 that I first saw San Dieguito stone tools,” stated Malcolm J. Rogers. “I was hunting Indian artifacts on a sandy-loam ridge about a mile and a half west of Escondido. Since I was well aware of the kind of tools left behind by historical Indians, and the people of the La Jollan culture before them, I knew immediately that these tools were of a still earlier people.” From this site in Escondido, Rogers, an archaeologist and former director of the San Diego Museum of Man, launched a lifetime study of documenting human inhabitants of San Diego County. He estimated that these ancient inhabitants came into this area 10,000 years ago.

In other studies, Rogers suggested that the contemporary division of Native American culture and territory was established one thousand years ago when the Shoshonean groups of the Great Basin migrated to southwest California and originated the San Luis Rey culture. The Luiseño Indians had long established villages and campsites along the Escondido Creek and in the north and north central portions of present-day Escondido. The Native American Kumeyaay were Yumans who migrated from the Colorado River area and occupied San Pasqual Valley and sites along water sources in the southern and western portions of Escondido, especially along the San Dieguito River. Both the Luiseño and Kumeyaay camps and villages derived an economic base from neighboring natural resources. Notable village or camp areas were located around riparian corridors such as Orange Glen, Kit Carson Park, Felicita Park, Indian Rock Springs and Moosa Canyon. Most of these sites have been destroyed by agricultural uses and development. Luiseño and Kumeyaay adapted to European agricultural methods and were considered competent farmers. After the establishment of Indian Reservations, many Indian farmers were forced off their land and onto reservations; others remained in the greater Escondido area and continued to farm.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Tourmaline and Kunzite claims were staked out in this area...

does anyone think these pillars were to mark claims?

This could explain the Vortex type powers of the area if it has large veins running through it...

Kunzite Beliefs - It is said to augment the communication skills of the wearer as it enables him/her to interact better with others. It is believed to relieve the person from unwanted stress, anger and negative feelings.

According to the gemstone pioneers, this evening stone opens the path of spirituality for the wearer. The reason being, it builds a perfect coordination between mind and heart. Moreover, its pink colour is associated with the property of blending the energies of mind and heart. Therefore it is referred as a 'Stone of Balance' offering emotional calmness, peace, security, harmony and maturity.


Tourmaline gems help to amplify psychic ability / energy and are an excellent aid to increasing self-confidence and understanding.

[whitecrow]

The panorama pic really kinda slapped me. the strip of road and the stones, once pointed out was one of those, "Now why hadn't I spotted those before" moments.

Yup. Seems to happen to most of the folks I show this stuff to. There's lots more.


Now, I did an odd rambling "first post" here on another thread...

I saw that post, and the significance of the 33rd parallel hit me instantly. I am not sure what to make of it. Maybe nothing, but it doesn't feel like nothing.


Lastly, if I could, I am still looking for a bit of feedback on something from that post...

Your story was interesting. I wonder if others have similar memories? I have had some extremely odd experiences but nothing quite like that. I did have a possible close encounter once, but I just don't remember enough of that night to know exactly what happened. I also had a very strange visit right here in my apartment not so long ago...maybe six months. Again, I don't know what it was.

I seems there are quite a few of us in the area. Anytime we can get together for a ground crew meeting, we should try. And anyone who likes to hike, we really should get together. I should probably mention that I don't get out as often as I'd like...I'm nearly 60 and not in the shape I once was, and my wife is disabled and sometimes I really have to stay home. But it'll happen if we work on it.

[whitecrow]

Story (http://www.fallbrook.org/history/gunfight-in-moosa-canyon.asp)


Great background material, thanks! I'm guessing that the name of Old Castle Road north of Escondido is hereby explained.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Great background material, thanks! I'm guessing that the name of Old Castle Road north of Escondido is hereby explained.


I was amazed how much I found doing a little digging...

Do you like the name of the Stone on the side of the Hill? White Eagle Point

Do you think it looks like an Eagle?

Inhabited for at least 10,000 years, and they are planning on Damming it for a Water Reserve, much of the area might be covered soon...

[Fredkc]

WhiteCove;
I'm nearly 60 and not in the shape I once was,
He heh...
being ONLY 57 I hardly creek at all after a coffee or three ;)

[whitecrow]

HIKE MONDAY

Several of us in the San Diego area have talked about a hike. Some of us have met and talked by phone. But I haven't been able to get hold of everyone. I know this is short notice but...

If you'd like to hike Daley Ranch tomorrow morning, Monday, we'll be meeting at the Starbucks on El Norte Parkway in Escondido at 8:30 AM. This is about half a mile east of the 15, on the north side of El Norte, in the Von's parking lot. From there we'll go to Daley Ranch and spend a few hours hiking through standing stones and sacred energy spots. You'll see for yourself whether I'm making this up :wink2:

Except for one flat stretch this will be moderately rugged hiking. Distance will depend on the wishes and stamina of the group, but we'll cover a minimum of 3-5 miles. Wear good hiking boots, and bring a hiking staff if you have one. Bring water and a hat. There are rattlesnakes in the area...I rarely see them due to my agreement with the Snake King, but they're all over the place. We could see coyote, deer, mountain lions. Be sure you bring your cameras!

For those who are interested but can't make it on such short notice...get in touch with me by PM. I go out there regularly. I hope those of you who join me tomorrow have some new things to think about and will mention your impressions here on the thread!

[Teresa]

Hey Guys ~ How was the hike ?! :yikes:

Please tell all about it !

You are all still here, aren't you.... ?! :mfr_omg:

Of course, you are !

:wub2:




:bleh: (Did you have any 'yikes' moments ? --[that first one is my fav' smiley]

[whitecrow]

Hey Guys ~ How was the hike ?! :yikes:

Please tell all about it !


The hike was great. There were four of us, including Ground Crew Jeff from Fallbrook and two of my young coworkers. It takes more than one hike to get the scale and extent of the stone works, so this was just kind of an overview. Can't believe I forgot to take any pictures!

From the main gate, the road is paved for the first 1 1/4 mile or so, just down to the old ranch house where there is a picnic area, porta-potties and fresh water. We turned off the road just up the hill, and took a dirt path that climbs almost 250' in just over 1/10 of a mile. Once at the top, you're treated to magnificent views over Escondido Valley to the south and endless ranges of hills to the north and east.

We took a hidden path up the backside of a broad, granite-topped ridge, where there are boulders the size of small houses, sculpted into bizarre shaped by centuries of wind and rain. From the western edge of this ridge, you can see across to Mesa Rock, 2 or 3 miles to the west. On a clear day you can easily see the Pacific Ocean. From this vantage you can easily see that Mesa Rock is just the largest of an entire complex of standing stones that ranges nearly a mile in length. What isn't obvious, and comes only from further exploration, is that Daley Ranch is a continuation of this huge complex that is miles and miles across. In fact, the central meadow at Daley Ranch may just be the center of the whole thing.

From the ridge, we descended back to the paved road and headed on down past the old house. From there, a trail heads straight down the meadow for a couple miles before doubling back. We went as far as the first earth fault, where a line of trees crosses the path. Standing on this spot you can look up at a huge stone that from this vantage point has the profile of a man, facing south. There's no way this is a natural placement.

http://www.indigodave.com/standingstone03.jpg

That's as far as we went on Monday. One of our group, a young guy I work with and often go hiking with, had gotten mugged the previous day and was pretty sore. It was still a hilly mile and a half back to the cars.

There are monoliths tucked back in hidden canyons. There is a stone with what appear to be runes carved in its face, so ancient and worn as to be barely visible except in a raking light. There are places where you can feel energy pour from deep within the earth. There are ancient terraces and dams. It took me two years of hiking on and off the trails at Daley Ranch to find this much; you can't see it all in a day. And I have barely scratched the surface. There are standing stones in Valley Center and Rancho Bernardo, and perhaps as far north as Fallbrook. It's all part of a gigantic complex that plainly means something. Mesa Rock has to be the main landmark. I simply cannot believe that no one has ever seen this before. It was plain to me the first time I looked up at those ridges, years ago. I just had no idea of the vast scale.

http://www.indigodave.com/standingstone01.jpg

This is a feature that is comparable to Carnac in northern France. I am not aware of any other ancient stoneworks in North America that approach the scale of the San Diego Complex. I am neither a geologist nor an archaeologist, though I've casually studies both those fields for years. However, having seen what I've seen, I say it is simply impossible for these to all be natural features. This is an immense ancient complex, built by the hand of man.

http://www.indigodave.com/socalstonehenge.jpg

I am always willing to lead people to see and appreciate this wonderful, sacred place. I would love to have a group meditation there. I can think of several powerful locations. I prefer going out there on a weekday when there are fewer people. On weekends, the mountain bikers and horseback riders can be a constant distraction. I do realize most people are going to prefer weekends. Because of my work schedule, I need a week or two planning to be off on a Saturday or Sunday. If we go on a weekend, I recommend going very early, before the crowds. Also, sunup is a magical time there.

I have discovered many sites at Daley Ranch that to me are indisputably sacred and resonate with strange energies. I'm sure this relates to the many faults that lace through the valley. They can be plainly seen from the air. There are sites that I have shared with only one or two people, and there are a few places I have shared with no one. These are places I rarely go myself, if I feel at all unworthy. There are places where I remove my shoes. Also, all of these spots are off the trails and hence it is illegal to even be there. The rangers don't come around much, but they can be real jerks when they see people off the trails. I make a point of being invisible when I hike alone.

With the weather cooling off, I'm looking forward to hikes in the blue-rose-gold of early morning, with the mist lying in the folds of the land and the crags rising above, with deer silently flitting through the mist and coyotes pausing to stare. Baby jackrabbits that are so unafraid you can almost walk over and pick them up (which the coyotes take full advantage of). Other mornings are completely foggy and the landscape is full of looming shadows, shaped in gray and silver, and all the foliage is sibilant with drips of mist. Then the place is silent and eerie and magic. In the spring, the wildflowers will almost jade the eyes with their incredible colors. The seasonal creeks and ponds will be deafening with frogs. In places it will be impossible to walk without stepping on frogs. Seagulls and hawks and crows will get so full they can hardly fly. Litters of coyote pups will yap and laugh up in the rocks. And in the evening the adults will assemble in the meadow and along the ridges and sing their joyful, timeless chorus to the sky.

This is magic, right in our own backyard. This is a direct link back to a time no one knows anything about, unless the Indian tribes know more than they are telling. Talking to some of them is the next logical step in my investigation of this site. For those of you who resonate with the ancient energies and appreciate this connection, let this be an open invitation. As I've said before, this isn't a casual stroll but some fairly rugged hiking. I have covered almost 15 miles in a day, depending on who I'm with. Usually it's more like 6 or 7. There is a shuttle bus that ferries folks as far as the ranch house on weekends; from there the walk down the meadow and back is very level. The entire loop is about five miles. This is a very spiritual walk, crossing fault lines several times and passing near the huge sentinel stone, and also an ancient grove of oaks that is a magical spot as well. From there, one can loop around the meadow or climb the strenuous trail to the top of the western ridge where standing stones are once again to be found, and where many of the hilltops actually appear to be ringed with circles of boulders....naw, couldn't be!

It would be a huge project to map the entire complex that covers much of North County, but I think that what would be revealed would change the history books.

[3Graces]

Whitecrow,

Wow! What an amazing synopsis of your hike.:original: Thank you for sharing that with us!

Count me in. I had chills the entire time I was reading this entire thread. You know, sometimes everything just falls into place the way it is supposed to. I have been a very unhappy resident of Southern California for 11 years.:sad: After reading your thread I realized that I am just living in the wrong part of Southern California.

I have been thinking about moving to Sedona Arizona because of the sacred beauty and vortex energy areas and now I find out that there are areas like this a couple of hours south of where I currently live!:biggrin2:

I cannot wait to meet the other So Cal members from this thread. My Mom and I both have past life connections with Native Americans and are both unusually drawn to wolves. We would be so honored to experience some of these sacred sites with you. In the last few months my Mom has been led to study ancient runes and I could hardly believe it when you mentioned the runes in the stones!

I am 42 and my Mom is 64 so I don't know if we could make the 6-7 mile hike just yet! We both have health issues and arthritis, but who knows, maybe that's just what we need to bring our health back to normal is a few hikes to sacred healig energy centers!

I'm sorry to ramble on, but I am very excited about this group. Can you please count us in for the next get together and/or hike?

Blessings,

3Graces

[Jeff Delano]

We should go out there again soon Dave, there is so much more to see.

[whitecrow]

Taking people to Daley Ranch is a real pleasure for me. The hike down the level meadow is easy, and it's one of the most spiritual. You don't get the spectacular views from the ridge tops, but instead you're wrapped intimately into a little fold of land that has been an energy center for thousands of years. Here you can stand directly on top of a fault line and gaze up at a huge rock shaped like a man. A little further on you can leave the path for a grove of ancient oaks and huge boulders that is silent and dreamlike, where time stops and the shaman in you opens his eyes...at one end there is a stone circle and also a stone "chair" that I swear, wizards must have sat in...

On weekends, there's a free shuttle that takes folks from the Dixon Lake entrance to the ranch house every 30 minutes or so. So most anyone can make it to the Chair of Dreams. My wife who is disabled got that far, and it was wonderful for her.

My problem is my work schedule, I never know which days I will have off except that they are rarely weekend days unless I plan for that, well in advance. Somehow we have to work around that, for now.

I'm not sure why I feel so strongly that discovering this ancient site is relevant to the shift we are going through now. I have some theories. It seems to connect us to something. I don't know what, but it's ancient and living, and not everyone can see it. Jeff, you've been there once, and I hope again...I'm depending on you to tell the folks if you think I'm just a crazy old fart.

[quest]

I'm not sure why I feel so strongly that discovering this ancient site is relevant to the shift we are going through now. I have some theories. It seems to connect us to something. I don't know what, but it's ancient and living, and not everyone can see it. Jeff, you've been there once, and I hope again...I'm depending on you to tell the folks if you think I'm just a crazy old fart.
[/SIZE]

thank you for starting this thread. i live on another continent, i am dutch, but i enjoy reading the posts here. i strongly feel this has to do with reconnecting with earth. maybe we can start breathing again, resonating as one, with the rocks, plants and animals, a key thing, for living in a sustainable way. great.

[Skillet]

I went to the park last Friday afternoon to get a look for myself. I climbed the fence and snapped several pictures of the area. Rocky was right, this might be a really good spot for the ground crew to meet, but we need to get a key to the gate. Rocky can you get a key? Anyway there several buildings, a running stream close by, surrounded by mountains on three sides. BTW who owns this property? I have some pictures I will try to up load.

There would be room for at least a hundred people here. I tried to use some skills to get an idea where the vortex might be located, but was unsuccessful. This place really magical and would be worth some other So Cal ground Crew members going out and taking a look.

[Skillet]

I do not know how to upload these pictures. If you would like to see them, PM me with your e-mail address and I will be happy to get them to you.

[whitecrow]

I went to the park last Friday afternoon to get a look for myself. I climbed the fence and snapped several pictures...


Skillet, are you describing the Essene Retreat in Valley Center? That doesn't sound like Daley Ranch...there are no fences there although the main gate is locked at sundown. You can just walk right around it (though the cops will ticket cars parked in the lot after dark).

[whitecrow]

thank you for starting this thread. i live on another continent, i am dutch, but i enjoy reading the posts here. i strongly feel this has to do with reconnecting with earth. maybe we can start breathing again, resonating as one, with the rocks, plants and animals, a key thing, for living in a sustainable way. great.


It's a real pleasure to connect with someone in another part of the world. Especially regarding this, what I believe is an entirely new discovery. I am still totally dumbfounded, to think that no one has seen this before. It must be because it's so spread out, over miles of territory. I have only the merest idea of the true scope of this stonework, but what I have seen is right out in front of everyone, and it's staggering once you realize it was built by people, sometime long ago, before the Indians came. And I was lucky enough to realize I'd stumbled right into the center of it...I think I have actually found the vortex...I've always "felt" I was led there, but another possible truth is that I was just lucky.

YES!! This has to do with reconnecting with the earth in ways that mankind has not appreciated nor known since the geomancers died out in the Dark Ages. Perhaps there are Masons or Illuminati who keep some of this alive; they seem to be really into that stuff. But the ancients knew the earth intimately and in ways we can barely comprehend.

I personally have been experiencing epiphanies and breakthroughs in this area...I've always been in love with the land in southern California. I've experienced it in other places too, though. This is sort of my special gift. I think that as the increased vibrations spread among us and around the world, people will once again hear the voice - the voices - of the earth.

[Jeff Delano]

The old fart is not crazy ;) haha, unless I'm crazy too. When are you free to go there again? I would love to go back as soon as I can and check out the Oak grove.

[quest]

It's a real pleasure to connect with someone in another part of the world. Especially regarding this, what I believe is an entirely new discovery. I am still totally dumbfounded, to think that no one has seen this before. It must be because it's so spread out, over miles of territory. I have only the merest idea of the true scope of this stonework, but what I have seen is right out in front of everyone, and it's staggering once you realize it was built by people, sometime long ago, before the Indians came. And I was lucky enough to realize I'd stumbled right into the center of it...I think I have actually found the vortex...I've always "felt" I was led there, but another possible truth is that I was just lucky.

YES!! This has to do with reconnecting with the earth in ways that mankind has not appreciated nor known since the geomancers died out in the Dark Ages. Perhaps there are Masons or Illuminati who keep some of this alive; they seem to be really into that stuff. But the ancients knew the earth intimately and in ways we can barely comprehend.

I personally have been experiencing epiphanies and breakthroughs in this area...I've always been in love with the land in southern California. I've experienced it in other places too, though. This is sort of my special gift. I think that as the increased vibrations spread among us and around the world, people will once again hear the voice - the voices - of the earth.


Wonderful! Maybe the sensitivity and skills of the old geomancers will come to the serves in a natural way. I once heard, that by crossing the sacred paths along leylines with power points, one not only receives energy. But that at the same time, by praying, or meditation, or just some awareness, the earth-points of energy are stimulated. I really like that idea of mutual exchange.

What you describe, or the way you enjoy the subject, I do believe is a key thing to get aligned with the earth and nature. Way more efficient than trying to find safe places. I think once we’re in tune with earth, we’re ready for what ever may come, most likely a beautiful and much healthier planet.

Maybe a rightbrain approach, witch can take away some of the magic, but would it be possible to take an aerial photograph and connect the upstanding rocks with lines, to see if they are configured in a geometrical pattern?

Maybe because of your connection with the area, in a state of openness and wonder, that what you discovered, revealed itself. And even if it were ‘just rocks’, the way you write about it is touching and inspiring to me. I hope the story will continue.

[whitecrow]

I once heard, that by crossing the sacred paths along leylines with power points, one not only receives energy. But that at the same time, by praying, or meditation, or just some awareness, the earth-points of energy are stimulated. I really like that idea of mutual exchange.

I like that idea too, and I have to say that I've had somewhat of a similar sense in some of these places...it's as if the Earth is eager to share, and takes pleasure whenever someone becomes aware. I think you may be onto something.

What you describe, or the way you enjoy the subject, I do believe is a key thing to get aligned with the earth and nature. Way more efficient than trying to find safe places. I think once we’re in tune with earth, we’re ready for what ever may come, most likely a beautiful and much healthier planet.

This again is the sense that I have, and I am noticing in myself more and more, a deep and abiding sense of calm and even joy. Other people notice it too.

...would it be possible to take an aerial photograph and connect the upstanding rocks with lines, to see if they are configured in a geometrical pattern?

I have been working on that. I've found one precise north-south alignment so far, and feel sure there are others. Right now, the only aerial views I have are from Google Earth which fortunately has fabulous resolution over this area. What I need is USGS maps...dammit, I have to drive to San Diego to get them, or maybe Oceanside.

You're very kind, by the way. I appreciated your comments very much.