Ivan "Evon" Stein 2012 Presentation!

[Luminari]

This video explores the timeline of events leading up to December 21, 2012. Topics of discussion include: the next Ice Age, Galactic Center, Mayan Calendar, Future Prophecy, Conscious Evolution, and how to prepare for the upcoming events. This is not all about doom and gloom! The silver lining for the future will be discussed in detail along with what you can do to prepare materially, physically, and consciously. This presentation correlates scientific data with ancient historic records, current events, and prophecy. A Timeline of events between today and Dec. 21, 2012 will be outlined including: Economic Depression, WWIII, North American Union, Martial Law, Mass Chaos, Geophysical Changes, and the New World Consciousness. This is not about Armageddon, but it does involve an understanding of past and future Cataclysmic and Catastrophic events

I found it a very good presentation to listen to and learnt quite a bit.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-512109331712495464&ei=-vjySdGEOpDAwgPV_bnpDg&q=ivan+stein

[Antaletriangle]

Thanks for the link, i've not heard of him;shall listen to it shortly.

[Luminari]

I just attended Ivan's presentation at Maleny on the Sunshine Coast.

:thumb_yello: Was very good indeed, caught up with another Avalon member too.

If you haven't watched the other video yet you may be missing vital clues to your future survival. Good to keep in mind all of this information anyhow is a good synthesis of material.

Here is another workshop of his on Positive Manifestation:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5277732254464846198

[TheChosen]

Quite well done

[burgundia]

Somebody has posted that link not long ago. great video, great guy. one of the best presentations of that kind.

[alyscat]

The first is excellent, and I'm listening to the second now.
alys

[Brinty]

As a background to part of Ivan Stein's presentation, I recommend you read the following books relating to past catastrophic events that have affected the earth:

"Worlds In Collision" by Immanuel Velikovsky. In this book he uses ancient myths and legends and comes to some startling conclusions. When this book was first published in the early 1950s, the scientific community was so incensed that they threatened to take their business of publishing scientific books, to another publisher.

The outcome of this action can be followed in, "The Velikovsky Affair" edited by Alfred de Grazia.

Somewhat disappointed with this, Velikovsky then wrote a follow-up book, "Earth In Upheaval" where he uses only archaeological evidence that had already been published around the world, to substantiate his claims of catastrophic events.

"Path Of The Pole", by Charles Hapgood, traces the movements of both the magnetic and geographic poles over thousands of years. He was also the author of "Maps Of The Ancient Sea Kings". In this book he covers, among other examples, the fact that Columbus was in possession of a map which not only showed the east coast of North and South America, but also Antarctica's coastline as it was before being covered in ice which was only mapped by scientists in 1948.

I can assure you that these books are hard to put down once you get into them.

[Luminari]

Here is another workshop of his on Positive Manifestation:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5277732254464846198
Here is the next 3 workshops in that seminar:

Breaking Control Dramas:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5584448189787232765&hl=en


Learning From Experience:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6843932143364268605&hl=en


Manifesting Your Thoughts:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6994738995874545571&q=source%3A013671931387586945717&hl=en



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[Luminari]

I think I enjoyed the Positive Manifestation seminars even more than the Timeline to 2012 talk.

Great stuff. Hope this is able to help more people here.

I know I learnt alot, especially regarding 'Control Dramas' that will help me be a better person.

The harmonising concept of N squared is also very interesting.

[Lorien]

Wow. Just watched the first one, and it blew my mind.

[Northern Boy]

Thank you for this post excellent

[Sibir]

Thank you for the great post! I totally agree whith him!

Love

[burgundia]

I am going to watch as soon as I have time. Thanks for the links.

[Luminari]

The harmonising concept of N squared is also very interesting.

(I posted this over at seashore's consciousness thread, however I feel it is important enough to repost here as it is related to this thread)


Law of N 2 (squared)

where N is the number of people harmonising

N = 1 _______ N 2 = 1

N = 2 _______ N 2 = 4

N = 8 _______ N 2 = 64

So 2 people harmonising have 4 times the power!

Harmonising with one other person is the cosmic purpose for all relationships.

You can also see how energy increases exponentially with more people harmonising.

N squared increases your ability to manifest.

Just keep in mind that if you are not balanced you might be only begining at N = 0.5 which doesnt lead to heightened energy levels. All the people harmonising need to be balanced aswel for it to truly work.



For further ellaboration of this concept watch Part 1 of the 4 part resentation posted above.

:thumb_yello:

[Luminari]

http://Luminari.fileave.com/Future%20Map%20of%20World.JPG

post earth changes map.

This is one of many such maps.. Im not saying I believe it %100.
Posting it for you as it is impossible to find a copy of this map online that is not tiny.
Ivan Stein emailed this to me personally and Im putting it here as he refers to it in his 2012 presentation. Only information to consider. I am sceptical about Scallion but who knows.

[BROOK]

(I posted this over at seashore's consciousness thread, however I feel it is important enough to repost here as it is related to this thread)


Law of N 2 (squared)

where N is the number of people harmonising

N = 1 _______ N 2 = 1

N = 2 _______ N 2 = 4

N = 8 _______ N 2 = 64

So 2 people harmonising have 4 times the power!

Harmonising with one other person is the cosmic purpose for all relationships.

You can also see how energy increases exponentially with more people harmonising.

N squared increases your ability to manifest.

Just keep in mind that if you are not balanced you might be only begining at N = 0.5 which doesnt lead to heightened energy levels. All the people harmonising need to be balanced aswel for it to truly work.



For further ellaboration of this concept watch Part 1 of the 4 part resentation posted above.

:thumb_yello:

This was a geat breakdown for the analitical mind :thumb_yello:

[Luminari]

This has just been released today. The actual seminar I personally attended a couple of weeks ago at the beautiful Maleny in the mountains of the sunshine coast, Australia.
You may even see Brinty and I sitting together if they have a crowd shot.. :original:

Part 1 of 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2083664141770160259&ei=ICLnSdb7J4rOwgOTjcGgAQ&q=timeline+2012+stein&emb=1

Part 2 of 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4297176536307310875&ei=-BznSfGyB4LawgO_1qga&q=timeline+2012+stein&emb=1

[franciejones]

First link in thread does not work

[Phtha]

This came up with a search, I'm not sure if its the same presentation that was linked in the first post.

Timeline to 2012 by Ivan "Evon" Stein (Nov 9, 2008)
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-512109331712495464&hl=en


First link in thread does not work

[Luminari]

First link in thread does not work

They both work perfectly from my end :thumb_yello:


This came up with a search, I'm not sure if its the same presentation that was linked in the first post.

Timeline to 2012 by Ivan "Evon" Stein (Nov 9, 2008)
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-512109331712495464&hl=en

Phtha thats the one from the very first post in this thread.

Use the 2 links to the newer Maleny presentation I just posted, as there is more recent information that has been included.

[Mr Magoo]

Luminari

Thank you for posting such great work. Ivan Stein has great presenting skills and is a pleasure to watch. Funny you know, I alway thought that I was a positive person but by looking at his chart, I have always been coming out of the negative side, wow, much work to do.

Thanks again

Magoo

[Luminari]

Luminari

Thank you for posting such great work. Ivan Stein has great presenting skills and is a pleasure to watch. Funny you know, I alway thought that I was a positive person but by looking at his chart, I have always been coming out of the negative side, wow, much work to do.

Thanks again

Magoo

You're very welcome, thank YOU for watching. :original:

Ivan is coming back to Australia in a few months.

[dagon]

I just attended Ivan's presentation at Maleny on the Sunshine Coast.

:thumb_yello: Was very good indeed, caught up with another Avalon member too.

If you haven't watched the other video yet you may be missing vital clues to your future survival. Good to keep in mind all of this information anyhow is a good synthesis of material.

Here is another workshop of his on Positive Manifestation:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5277732254464846198

very informative. thanks for posting.

[burgundia]

I have watched his seminar and i am filled with pessimism right now after i saw the map of Europe. there is almost no place to go... I am not going to do anything as it makes no sense.It's impossible to relocate most of the population Of Europe.

[Brinty]

I have watched his seminar and i am filled with pessimism right now after i saw the map of Europe. there is almost no place to go... I am not going to do anything as it makes no sense.It's impossible to relocate most of the population Of Europe.

Which raises an interesting point burgundia - which is better, to live in fear, possibly for years, waiting for the end, and knowing that when it comes there is nowhere to run to, or to live happily in blissful ignorance?

Personally, I don't bother with the doom-and-gloomers' forecasts, they are what are helping to drag us down by feeding our fears.

Just keep in mind that whenever the end comes, wherever you are, you will end up in a far, far better place which will be full of peace and love.

[BROOK]

Which raises an interesting point burgundia - which is better, to live in fear, possibly for years, waiting for the end, and knowing that when it comes there is nowhere to run to, or to live happily in blissful ignorance?

Personally, I don't bother with the doom-and-gloomers' forecasts, they are what are helping to drag us down by feeding our fears.

Just keep in mind that whenever the end comes, wherever you are, you will end up in a far, far better place which will be full of peace and love.

Lovely Brinty :thumb_yello: :wub2:

[unlimited mind]

awesome links! thanks :original:

[dagon]

maybe the ancients now something. like with noah's ark. sounds like a good place to be when it all breaks loose. off shore???

[Luminari]

sounds like a good place to be when it all breaks loose. off shore???

Not for me bud.. picture that wave from the perfect storm X 50.

Id like my feet planted firmly on the ground.. even if that ground is shaking.

Hopefully we are not on that timeline.. or will ascend before hand or something.

It doesnt help to think about it too much, fear sets in (daath vader grabbing you by the balls!).

I need to focus on gratitude and love/unity and taking time to enjoy my life NOW and pursuing my dreams. Being an inspiration to others..

[dagon]

Not for me bud.. picture that wave from the perfect storm X 50.

Id like my feet planted firmly on the ground.. even if that ground is shaking.

Hopefully we are not on that timeline.. or will ascend before hand or something.

It doesnt help to think about it too much, fear sets in (daath vader grabbing you by the balls!).

I need to focus on gratitude and love/unity and taking time to enjoy my life NOW and pursuing my dreams. Being an inspiration to others..

Im smack in the middle of oceania. bay area. if the model of the new world comes to pass. Im not so sure I want to hang around for the aftermath. just to witness such an advent would make my day. my thought was that if one got to deeper water the swells would be absorbed by the volume. with the right boat. it wouldn't matter how many time one went a$$ over tea kettle. things don't look good for america in this model. esp the west coast. no fear here. Im actually excited. nervous with anticipation. Im more concerned with the youth making it. like family. my son. who is 18 this year. who lives in seattle. canada looks to be the best bet from around here. given this is correct.

[Luminari]

Im smack in the middle of oceania. bay area.

Don't want to be alarmist, but SF is the last place I'd want to be on your whole continent.

I remember this statement from the 'Hidden Hand - widow of opportunity' dialogue (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1):

"San Francisco and Damascus, will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010, possibly even sooner. "

and also Billy Meier was taken into the future and watched SF completely destroyed he was quite effected by what he saw.

Canada does sound like a good plan.

Best wishes my friend.

[burgundia]

Which raises an interesting point burgundia - which is better, to live in fear, possibly for years, waiting for the end, and knowing that when it comes there is nowhere to run to, or to live happily in blissful ignorance?

Personally, I don't bother with the doom-and-gloomers' forecasts, they are what are helping to drag us down by feeding our fears.

Just keep in mind that whenever the end comes, wherever you are, you will end up in a far, far better place which will be full of peace and love.

Thanks brinty, I am fed up with the gloomy pictures. I am going to live my life the best I can projecting optimistic thoughts into the matrix.:wub2:

[Luminari]

Thanks brinty, I am fed up with the gloomy pictures. I am going to live my life the best I can projecting optimistic thoughts into the matrix.:wub2:

The pressure we feel now... the uncertainty... can only intensify over the next 2 years.


so we will have to be strong and focus on the 1000 years of light coming once the darkness subsides.

Think of how nice it will be when we all have free energy and all live in the country with abundance, flying cars and antigravity levitation etc, colonies throughout the solar system.

We are telepathic so there is no crime, and we have increasing powers and senses and lifespans of hundreds of years.

I will be at peace in my space of love composing songs on my euphonious harmonic vibration complex :harp:

[burgundia]

The pressure we feel now... the uncertainty... can only intensify over the next 2 years.


so we will have to be strong and focus on the 1000 years of light coming once the darkness subsides.

Think of how nice it will be when we all have free energy and all live in the country with abundance, flying cars and antigravity levitation etc, colonies throughout the solar system.

We are telepathic so there is no crime, and we have increasing powers and senses and lifespans of hundreds of years.

I will be at peace in my space of love composing songs on my euphonious harmonic vibration complex :harp:

And i will be palnting trees, bushes and flowers, making beautiful gardens everywhere....

[dagon]

http://projectcamelot.org/wade_frazier.html



50 min into the video



I find this interesting. with what were seeing in somalia. the beginning of taking over the sea ports and shipping channels. with the expected sea levels rising. this should be any easy victory for the PTB. just before marshal law is implemented..

also the talk about ww3 starting up this year. and israel and Iran are ready to go. and this will for sure start ww3.

it all adds up...

Im just shocked that more people are not seeing or feeling this...

:trumpet:

[shred]

Don't want to be alarmist, but SF is the last place I'd want to be on your whole continent.

I remember this statement from the 'Hidden Hand - widow of opportunity' dialogue (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1):

"San Francisco and Damascus, will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010, possibly even sooner. "

and also Billy Meier was taken into the future and watched SF completely destroyed he was quite traumatised from what he saw.

Canada does sound like a good plan.

Best wishes my friend.

Has anyone checked this link out ? I read it and i thought it was very enlightening ! at first I was thinking ,,"great another crack pot or hoax" but the further i read... the more it made sense. I always known & felt we are all ONE but...this sheds a whole new light on things . Does anyone here have any good insight to this article ? thoughts ? true false ..?? anyone ?

Shred

[shred]

This video explores the timeline of events leading up to December 21, 2012. Topics of discussion include: the next Ice Age, Galactic Center, Mayan Calendar, Future Prophecy, Conscious Evolution, and how to prepare for the upcoming events. This is not all about doom and gloom! The silver lining for the future will be discussed in detail along with what you can do to prepare materially, physically, and consciously. This presentation correlates scientific data with ancient historic records, current events, and prophecy. A Timeline of events between today and Dec. 21, 2012 will be outlined including: Economic Depression, WWIII, North American Union, Martial Law, Mass Chaos, Geophysical Changes, and the New World Consciousness. This is not about Armageddon, but it does involve an understanding of past and future Cataclysmic and Catastrophic events

I found it a very good presentation to listen to and learnt quite a bit.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3739956796284873702

your video link isnt working.. i ended up reading this instead from another post in this thread :-)

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1


Peace to all
Shred

[Lorien]

This should work

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-512109331712495464&ei=yWjySffQK4rIrgLi64C-Bg&q=ivan+stein

Also, I was just over at the thread about the Sun being so inactive and "cool", and this article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8008473.stm) spoke of the "little ice age" that occurred in the 17th century due to an extra long "quiet spell" from the sun.

Ivan speaks of how according to ice core records, we are due to go into an ice age soon. Perhaps this is the beginning of it. The sun goes into a quiet spell and cools down, then we get hit with damaging CME's which weaken our ozone layer and let precious gases out which allow the atmosphere to cool down more than usual, along with some sort of pole shift which the whole weather system into disarray making it even worse!

[Luminari]

This video explores the timeline of events leading up to December 21, 2012. Topics of discussion include: the next Ice Age, Galactic Center, Mayan Calendar, Future Prophecy, Conscious Evolution, and how to prepare for the upcoming events. This is not all about doom and gloom! The silver lining for the future will be discussed in detail along with what you can do to prepare materially, physically, and consciously. This presentation correlates scientific data with ancient historic records, current events, and prophecy. A Timeline of events between today and Dec. 21, 2012 will be outlined including: Economic Depression, WWIII, North American Union, Martial Law, Mass Chaos, Geophysical Changes, and the New World Consciousness. This is not about Armageddon, but it does involve an understanding of past and future Cataclysmic and Catastrophic events

I found it a very good presentation to listen to and learnt quite a bit.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-512109331712495464&ei=-vjySdGEOpDAwgPV_bnpDg&q=ivan+stein

your video link isnt working..

Peace to all
Shred

Thanks Shred, the address changed, I fixed it.. video link works now :thumb_yello:

[Luminari]

Anyone who hasn't seen these videos yet it is well worth your time.

Especially the Positive Manifestation seminar with 4 workshops (post number #8 in this thread)

ENJOY

[Luminari]

This has just been released today. The actual seminar I personally attended a couple of weeks ago at the beautiful Maleny in the mountains of the sunshine coast, Australia.
You may even see Brinty and I sitting together if they have a crowd shot.. :original:

Part 1 of 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2083664141770160259&ei=ICLnSdb7J4rOwgOTjcGgAQ&q=timeline+2012+stein&emb=1

Part 2 of 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4297176536307310875&ei=-BznSfGyB4LawgO_1qga&q=timeline+2012+stein&emb=1

:naughty: I accidently walked in front of the camera at 1 min 35 secs into the first video.. whoops, I had no idea till someone told me today.

My first youtube spot haha.

[NorthernSanctuary]

Here's another set of videos on the detailed events for the 2012 timeline:

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=timeline+2012&ei=UTF-8&fr=att-portal&tnr=21&vid=0001526720646

[Jnana]

I started to watch the first video in this thread but couldn't get through the first ten minutes. I got most of the way through it on the second attempt. For someone who throws the word "scientific" around so much, Ivan "Evon" Stein, is using nothing even remotely related to scientific reasoning. Mostly, he's just saying whatever it is he wants to say and claiming it is based on science or is "the only scientific explanation". Not. This is disinformation, or maybe just bad information, depending on his motivation. Zero credibility, in my humble opinion.

[Seashore]

I started to watch the first video in this thread but couldn't get through the first ten minutes. I got most of the way through it on the second attempt. For someone who throws the word "scientific" around so much, Ivan "Evon" Stein, is using nothing even remotely related to scientific reasoning. Mostly, he's just saying whatever it is he wants to say and claiming it is based on science or is "the only scientific explanation". Not. This is disinformation, or maybe just bad information, depending on his motivation. Zero credibility, in my humble opinion.

Who are some scientists that can be trusted to provide information surrounding possible natural disasters associated with 2012?

[NorthernSanctuary]

My take is that Ivan's initial work was based on a study of historical evidence for the possibility of a pole shift. Once you have enought evidence to believe this is possible, then you invariabily compare this with what prophecy information is telling about the future to fill out the holes. Scientific study takes a lot of time, and will not be very useful to help you in a life and death situation where events will be moving very fast as expected.

In these last videos, Ivan is assuming the information in the book of revelations is valid. I don't doubt that this information was based on the author seeing visions of the future; no scientific proof but based on my understanding and experience of the "gifts of the spirit".

[Jnana]

Who are some scientists that can be trusted to provide information surrounding possible natural disasters associated with 2012?

I don't think I can answer that question. First of all, I don't buy into the 2012 mythology. It's just a date that will come and go. I do feel very strongly that we are in a period of transition, but it's a good thing, not something to fear. It's already started and will continue past 2012. Just my view based on my experiences. Pretty much all fear-invoking scenarios associated with 2012 have been devised to make people afraid in a lame attempt to interfere with this consciousness raising process.

For the most part, established science and 2012 just don't mix. Very few geologists give a hoot about the interpretation of the Mayan calendar that says 2012 is significant. Very few Mayan scholars buy that interpretation, which is essentially the work of one man. Science works by consensus. In claiming a scientific basis for 2012 predictions, Stein is just making stuff up, but invoking the word "science" to give his presentation on air of credibility to people that don't notice how many horribly wrong things he says (e.g.: carbon dating of rocks, the bicycle wheel fan analogy for the galaxy, and how fossil formation works, just for starters).

People with scientific training can and do find themselves interested in the spiritual side of the universe. I consider myself reasonably scientifically literate, which is why it really rubs me the wrong way when some says "scientific" and then spews a bunch of nonsense that proves their ignorance of the science they are invoking. That being said, I also know that much of established science is dogma, and there's a whole bunch missing from it. That's still no reason for presenting BS as "science".

Anyone can tell you that eventually San Francisco is going to experience another big earthquake eventually. It's difficult for geologists to say when with much accuracy because there are so many unknown quantities. We know there are coronal mass ejections from the sun, but saying for certain that a big one will come our way on a certain date isn't possible using conventional science. If you are looking to conventional science for predictions, just remember how accurate long term weather forecasts usually are.

Preparing for a certain amount of trouble is probably a good idea. Things could get messy as TPTW try desperately to hang on to control. Worrying about specifically what is going to happen where and when is probably a waste of time. Get in touch with your intuition and follow it. As Obiwan said, "trust your feelings".

[Jnana]

My take is that Ivan's initial work was based on a study of historical evidence for the possibility of a pole shift.

In the video I watched, Stein talks about historical evidence for magnetic pole shifts, and then talks about the effects of a geographic pole shift. I don't know whether this was deliberate deception or if the guy is simply unintelligent, but the two are very different.

The evidence of magnetic pole shifts can be found in the sea floor, and was used as evidence in establishing the theory of plate tectonics. The Atlantic sea floor spreads outward from the mid-atlantic ridge, and as the magma cools it retains the magnetic field that was present at that time. Magnetic pole shifts happen on average about every 250,000 years. So, there have been hundreds of magnetic pole shifts since the age of dinosaurs.

Evidence for geographic pole shifts is much more ambiguous. Because of continental drift, the continents have drifted around in relationship to the rotational axis of the earth, but this is not a catastrophic thing.

[Seashore]

I don't think I can answer that question. First of all, I don't buy into the 2012 mythology...

Is there a 26,000 year cycle that ends in 2012 at which time the earth, the sun, and the galactic center will align, causing unusual things to happen close in time to that year?



For the most part, established science and 2012 just don't mix...

Don't you think we all should constantly remind ourselves that we grew up being taught science in school and by the mainstream media, and that our own thinking about what is good science is shaped by this?

[Jnana]

Is there a 26,000 year cycle that ends in 2012 at which time the earth, the sun, and the galactic center will align, causing unusual things to happen close in time to that year?


My opinon: No. Crossing the galactic equator will have exactly the same effect as crossing the earth's equator in a ship: none (well, maybe there's a party). First of all, our solar system won't be aligned with the galactic equator at that time. In fact, it's darned near impossible to tell where that would be given that the galaxy is made of stars spread out across hundreds of thousand of light years, and they're all moving. Second of all, given the speeds and distances involved, one day, one year, or even one decade makes precious little difference in our alignment with the galactic equator. Third, the vertical period of motion as our solar system orbits the galaxy is not perfectly consistent as it depends on the gravitational attraction of all the neighboring stars which are also in motion.

Don't you think we all should constantly remind ourselves that we grew up being taught science in school and by the mainstream media, and that our own thinking about what is good science is shaped by this?

Certainly. The foundation of good science is honesty, especially when your observations don't match your theory. The way science is funded these days, especially in areas like health and medicine, contributes to bad science. Scientific dogma, especially in physics, can lead to such observations being ignored (e.g., electrogravitics and magnetogravitics). Having seen UFOs and experienced telepathy has definitely changed my view on scientific dogma.

That doesn't mean someone has the right to misrepresent what established science has to say and claim that they've just given you a scientific explanation, or to say wind coming off of bicycle wheels explains energy coming out of the galactic center in such a narrow beam that we will encounter it on a particular day.

Looking to conventional earth science for an explanation of a spiritual transformation will never give you the answers you seek. It's not astronomical effects, geological effects, or any other sort of physical effects that are the source of the awakening that's going on. Nap time is over.

[Seashore]

My opinon: No...


Thanks for forthright answers!

[Unified Serenity]

bump.. looking for other's imput and ideas, thanks

[NorthernSanctuary]

He's establishing a community in Australia..going underground until after 2012.

[Lorien]

I checked out the application for his community, and imho I think some of it is a little extreme. I understand you have to have some standards and thy don't wan any joe schmo in there, but the exclusivity of it seems to go completely against the path of helping others in unselfish acts that will further us as spiritual beings.

[TheChosen]

The detail with which they are planning the Timeline 2012 community tells me they know exactly what they are doing and know what to expect.

I think if they continue according to the preset path they will be successful. All the conditions imposed are I believe truly necessary for a project of this kind, while preserving certain levels of integrity. One rotten apple can ruin the whole barrel... My only concern is that in spite of all the checks and conditions there will ultimately be few rotten apples who will be very hard to deal with without resorting to 'modern' techniques.

[Steven]

I got to answer about this topic. I have listened to Ivan Stein presentation. It's good but he does a tremendous mistake about Ice Age.

Here is a link that provides the very same graphics he uses in his own presentation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

First, the last Ice Age occured 20 000 years ago, not 100 000 years ago. There is a cyclic patern to Ice Age, but it's not that much even, sometimes it comes back after 80 000 years or 140 000 years. So, in other words, we are not close to any Ice Age at all.

Second, Ivan Stein does not read the graphic the proper way. The more you go to the right of the graphic, on the x axis, the more you go in the past. Stein does read it the opposite way. It means that after an Ice Age, the weather heats up really fast, 8-10 C degrees in 80 to 100 years. It reaches a peak, then cool down very slowly until the next Ice Age which comes very very progressivly, it cools down for ±100 000 years.

Third, Ice Age does not necessarly means ice all over the planet. Exploring what arqueologists and geologists have found, it is more probable to say that the polar caps are growing wider, but the equator still remains livable for vegetal and animal life to survive.

The impact this kind of mistake does into the mass consciousness is very negative. Do not forget reality borns into the consciousness. The more people will follow this false information, the more the reality of disaster will come to be true.

Like it is said in politic, something does not need to be true to be real, you just have to make the poeple to believe it real and it will become true.

Namaste, Steven

[TheChosen]

As far as I can see he is reading the data correctly , from right to left. And we are currently in a 15k year high of temperatures, just before another drop (somewhat gradual) that would last for about 80k according to the data.

[Steven]

As far as I can see he is reading the data correctly , from right to left. And we are currently in a 15k year high of temperatures, just before another drop (somewhat gradual) that would last for about 80k according to the data.

Hi TheChosen. So the next Ice Age will not come before 80 000 years. We agree on that. But that's not what he says. He says the temperature drastically drops after reaching a peak of high temperature, making a connection with the currently global warming. According to the graphic, it is quite the opposite, just like you said. Currently, we are cooling down, progressivly for 80 000 years.

Or maybe I listened to an old presentation of his and he has made so 180 degree change on this topic, which I doupt.

Namaste, Steven

[TheChosen]

Yes you are correct, it is gradual , not a sudden drop. He seems active on his website so someone could point out that question over there on the forum to him so we see his take on the issue.

[Luminari]

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[solent]

Very informative thread, thank you :thumb_yello:

I agree with you Steven, my interpretation of the graphic is that we are entering the slow cool down period, which on average takes one hundred thousand years to complete +/- twenty thousand years, so I don't think we are in any danger of seeing an Ice Age in this life time.

How ever I don't think he presented it as an over night event as such, I thought he was refering to the fact that we are indeed due for a cool down, leading to an Ice Age, that's my take on it anyway. Agreed though he could have worded it better so it didn't sound like an Ice Age was imminent, but the graphic was presented to the people there so they could all see it for themselves, I don't think the purpose was to mislead.

I found this version of his presentation in which the info. is clearer to understand.

YouTube- Timeline To 2012 (Part 1 of 16) Ice Age Core Data

Sorry Luminari, just realised you have already posted a link to this, never mind we now have it imbedded also.

[Luminari]

Very informative thread, thank you :thumb_yello:

I agree with you Steven, my interpretation of the graphic is that we are entering the slow cool down period, which on average takes one hundred thousand years to complete +/- twenty thousand years, so I don't think we are in any danger of seeing an Ice Age in this life time.

How ever I don't think he presented it as an over night event as such, I thought he was refering to the fact that we are indeed due for a cool down, leading to an Ice Age, that's my take on it anyway. Agreed though he could have worded it better so it didn't sound like an Ice Age was imminent, but the graphic was presented to the people there so they could all see it for themselves, I don't think the purpose was to mislead.

I found this version of his presentation in which the info. is clearer to understand.

YouTube- Timeline To 2012 (Part 1 of 16) Ice Age Core Data (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IDAlzjgBC0)

Sorry Luminari, just realised you have already posted a link to this, never mind we now have it imbedded also.

Brinty and I were there sitting in the room on the video you posted. :original: :thumb_yello:

[solent]

:thumb_yello:

I think his presentations are excellent. He is realistic in what he is preparing for without scare mongering, and he is simply passing on the message to others, to try and help those that he can, ultimately he is very spiritual, and puts forward a very balanced work shop on polarity of energy and manifestation.

The man speaks from the heart, I wish him love and light for the future.

[Luminari]

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[Luminari]

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/Roxy_Still_Rocks/PEACE-1.jpg

Law of N 2 (squared)

where N is the number of people harmonising

N = 1 _______ N 2 = 1

N = 2 _______ N 2 = 4

N = 8 _______ N 2 = 64

So 2 people harmonising have 4 times the power!

Harmonising with one other person is the cosmic purpose for all relationships.

You can also see how energy increases exponentially with more people harmonising.

N squared increases your ability to manifest.

Just keep in mind that if you are not balanced you might be only begining at N = 0.5 which doesnt lead to heightened energy levels. All the people harmonising need to be balanced aswel for it to truly work.


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[Stranger]

Hi All....

Since we are on the topic of 'climate change'....you might be interested in some of the 'shocking' info presented in this link..... :shocked:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/757.html

[Luminari]

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