Worst case scenario in the U.S. and elsewhere

[Lorien]

Hypothetical Situation:

Police Forces are Federalized
Supply of Food and Necessities Cut Off
All Monetary Institutions Closed
Loss of Power, Heat, etc.
Armed Soldiers Rounding up "Non Enemy Combatants" and Protesters

And the list goes on....

And so I was thinking...

What will I do if **** does hit the fan sometime soon?
Will I give in?
Will I fight?
What will others do?
What will you do?
What if people like us are detained because we know and seek the truth?
Have any of us really thought about this?
Should we have a common destination to fall back to?
A place to gather kindred spirits and plan a rebellion against the elite?
A place to wait out the storm?

Please, lend me your thoughts.

[777 The Great Work]

Great question, i try to keep in mind the phrase,not my will but your will.:original: Under no circumstance, am i takeing the mark.:nono: So i'm constantly preparing to enter the portal if thats the creator's will. :original:

[waitinginthewings]

Lorien: I too have thought about this quite a bit......& I like the idea of a gathering place for us of like mind to get to, & decide what to do next. I think fighting THPB would be a waste of our energy. So for me I would be conserving my energy for survival & staying sane during the difficult phase. I truly believe that there time now is short, so its a matter of holding our ground, our energy & waiting patiently until we "know" what the next move is.

[Dantheman62]

My simplistic way of looking at it is to just be prepared and try and stay one step ahead!

Police Forces are Federalized= I don't worry about police because I'm not doing anything wrong!

Supply of Food and Necessities Cut Off= That's what growing a garden is all about and getting a water filter!

All Monetary Institutions Closed= I don't have any money anyway, LOL, and that's what the barter system is all about!

Loss of Power, Heat, etc.= Doesn't really matter now because summer's coming up and you don't need it, and you'll have all summer to prepare for winter!

Armed Soldiers Rounding up "Non Enemy Combatants" and Protesters= So don't be a non enemy combatant, and don't protest, just go with the flow!

What will I do if **** does hit the fan sometime soon? = That's where being prepared comes in, I myself am going to my aunts in southern Illinois and meeting up with my brother and sisters. My aunt knows everybody in her town from the judge, to the doctors, to the grocery store owners and managers, to all the liquor distributors, and plus she always has a big garden and lives on a lake!

Will I give in?= No, there's plenty of places to hide because it's a big country!

Will I fight? = Depends, if myself or family's mortality is at stake, yes!

What will others do? = Doesn't matter!

What will I do?= Explained above!

I somewhat disagree with this idea that you need to be in a group to survive.
One of the reasons of this forum is to learn how to survive and I think you need to learn how to survive as if you were on your own, because you might be. If you don't know how to fish and hunt and grow food yet, you better learn and there's plenty of info here and in the Avalon Library.

I'm lucky because that's all second hand for me because I grew up fishing and hunting and camping and all that good stuff, so surviving is going to be the easy part for me. The hard part is just to have to possibly go back to the stone age ways of living, which actually won't be that hard if you're prepared.

And that's my two cents worth! LOL!

[giovonni]

Thats a good attitude Dan!

Most of us have been preparing and adjusting too these possibilities for a while now?
The keys words~ I suggest too survival are to stay focused in your (meditative)
manifestations of what you (envision) and would like your future to be> be flexible
and try to maintain a purposeful calmness within yourself :thumb_yello:

The future is going to be ~kind of~ like this :lol3:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Rollercoaster_expedition_geforce_holiday_park_germ any.jpg/450px-Rollercoaster_expedition_geforce_holiday_park_germ any.jpg

[Dantheman62]

True gio!, I've always said that life is a carnival, you just have to pick the best ride!

[Machinamentum]

Man made Super Ebola.

[Machinamentum]

Yep I've been pondering this thought for all my life it seems.

:rip_1:

It's kind of sad, growing up, I never had a glimpse of hope for the future until Camelot.

But still when I look out my window at times, I cant help but imagine mushroom crowds over NORAD or a virus plagued world and I'm left to wander a mutated planet side. Kind of a fallout situation. Can't help it.

[vipassana]

Sometimes I wonder what will happen to me and my two teenage children when/if things get rough. I'm alone because my family think I'm weird so they avoid me. Despite trying I've never been able to meet any like minded people so I only have acquaintences. I have a water filter, a growing food store and a vegetable garden and an attitude that whatever happens I'll have to stay calm and deal with it. Scary? yes Lonely? yes. Most of the time I just live in the day and keep trying to make a true friend/s. Internet is OK but I'd like to meet people off line.

[Swanny]

When people are heading to the food shops I'll be off to buy ply wood to board up my windows :original:

[Lorien]

Thanks for the replies so far everyone. :original:

I understand the need to prepare, and I am doing as much as possible. I do meditate and try to maintain a positive outlook on life as much as is possible these days.

However, I'm sure there are others in situations such as mine. I don't have a lot of money to stock up on food supplies, or anything to barter with. I don't have land that I can garden on or any natural water sources near by. I have bills and debt(due to medical issues) that require me to work my ass off.


What happens if we do end up in a situation like Machinamentum said where half of our country is an abandoned wasteland do to nuclear attack or cataclysmic weather or something of the sort? Where do we go?

I'm not being paranoid or freaking out about it, i'm actually quite calm. Just trying to get a feel for reactions to various scenarios.

Thanks again!

[pyrangello]

I think this is a 2 fold question, you have 2 scenerios going , The intercity scenerio and the rural community scenerio.

We have all heard of the drum beating of if the yo yo starts to unravel it will be time to leave the city. I've read some posts here of individuals who have limited means . May I suggest networking with a church in a rural area now if you have no other means of maybe another avalon member on this site can send a private email to those with limited resources on a one on one basis in there area for a back up plan. And if none of those work yes your gonna need to dig in and just do as much as you possibly can.

Rural areas , most will come together, I would say most rural areas will help secure there own towns and assist law enforcement when needed , many rural areas are self sufficcient to a certain degree.

None of this will be easy by any means.
Police Forces federalized- Just like D62 said , if your not doing anything wrong
whats the worry there.

Supply/Food - Do what you can , and yes gardens , stock some rice and dried beans / it's cheap and you can mix anything with rice, and some books on creative cooking, lots of soups.

Monetary institutions closed- If the dollar keeps going the way it is , who really cares at that point, there won't be enough people to reposess anything and there won't be any buyers either. And for all the gold talk , you can't eat gold or protect yourself with it.!

Loss of power- kerosene lamps, wood stoves, generator, propane has an indefinate shelf life, lots of matchs , solar option .

Armed solidier rounding up - Everyone knows whats right and whats wrong , well most do , I was thinking about this on the way home last night, we all know there is a certain amount of society that runs the dark side, Thats why we have the legal system and correctional facilities.

If xxxx hits the fans, - stay alert to your enviroment, you already have your plan right? If you don't you need to. I live in a town of 3000 and have another back up plan with another after that. There are a few friends and family to network with but Just like Vipassana said , I have a whole bunch of family members and friends who don't want to hear it , ya and they think I'm wacked too. So be it keep moving forward and stay with the light.

Will I give in - If I see a bus and they want us all to board from a safe place , I think you can figure out that answer.

Will I fight- Communities banding together helping law enforcement in their area for security reasons , absolutely I'll help.

What will others do - Keep it tight, keep it close- buy yourself a short wave radio that you can run off a mini solar panel, it's about $280.00 U.S. That way you can hear whats going on around the world with no power grid. Stay informed and stay focused and help others if you can. Just be reserved as you lend a hand.

Just do what you can do for yourself first and back up for others if need be.
And the most important part thru all of this , pray, and create positive energy.
My girlfriend tells me all the time, were gonna be alright, and shes much more connected than I am.

[Dantheman62]

Lorien, remember it's not always what you have, to barter with, it can also be what you know. I think everybody has a quality that can be useful, whether they know it or not!

[Swanny]

My advice is hide stuff, and not all in one place, there will be people that want what you have and will take it if they can, just in case they do you should have most of your stock hidden.
When it calms down a bit then it will be safe to barter and share etc.

[blastawaycas]

i think i will try an find DANTHEMAN an move in with him !!!:mfr_lol:
its a big ocean but i'll get accross somehow !!!
kindest regards dave caster :thumb_yello: :thumb_yello:

[Dantheman62]

:original: :thumb_yello: Oh and I have a lot more than pop guns too!

[Karen]

On the Dr. Deagle show a few days ago he said that China thinks that it is China's turn to rule the world. One possible invasion of the USA scenario is they come in and give you a chance to leave, and then for those that stay, they release a weaponized race-specific virus to wipe out the rest. He talked about the genetic engineering they are doing to produce super-soldiers with incredible capacities.

Another source said the USA is so in debt to other nations, they are just going to come in and divvy up the country and China will get the Pacific NW where I live.

China!?! Frack!

All this makes me want to concoct a plan to move to South America while it is still possible to to escape, but I doubt I can pull that one off. And I'm pretty sure the global white hats are busy foiling as many nefarious plots as possible. And I'm pretty sure, I'm stuck right here in Eastern Oregon, feeling like the weirdest one in town.

So for my escape plan, I turned off Deagle and switched to Dan Winter, sacred geometry, creation, bliss, DNA and how to become a star ... and much more.

Dan Winter - The Purpose of DNA (PL)
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?gl=PL&hl=pl&p=192600B522EA25FD
{English with Polish subtitles}
In part 6 he talks about GMO food and how it may cost you your soul.
Part 7 - there is a beautiful animation of the holy grail
By part 9 he is talking about the borg and the issue of the White Powder Gold, ORME, Ormus that some people are consuming
Part 10 - The gold powder and the "beehive" of the Orion queen culture and "royal" family, reign of terror vs using the song of the blissful heart.
Part 11 - The problem with the white powder consumption is there is no individuation
Part 12 - and with only one source of Phi-re, everyone is phase embedded into total telepathy and you can no longer imagine yourself separate. The white powder gold is external technology.

What makes your heart sing? Bliss is the inside out technology that creates miracles and synchronicity in your life. In a different video series, Winter spoke of a Sufi saying: "Only love bends the light so only love creates." Compassion is feeling outside-in - it is shareable - it is the true "heart of gold" and the effects extend beyond this earth world after death. "Bliss is what makes us stars."

Here is a page, with lots of graphics, about the heart of everything:
http://caltek.net/dan/connectivity/phibiz/heartsun/HeartofSun.html

A Powerpoint presentation:
http://www.goldenmean.info/implosionweb/

Film library:
http://www.goldenmean.info/implosionmovies/

[Seashore]

...If you don't know how to fish and hunt and grow food yet, you better learn and there's plenty of info here and in the Avalon Library...

Good advice.

[Seashore]

... I think everybody has a quality that can be useful, whether they know it or not!

:thumb_yello:

[Northern Boy]

Well for me as i see it I`m not being Chipped and not going to the big slave round up if it happens and they show up here They will have to shoot me cause I ain`t going to no slave camp . My decision and gut tells me many going to camps aren`t coming out ever and will be chipped upon entering them

[sleepingnomore]

If you leave you run from one scenario to another. I want to be someplace where I can offer as much solace to people as possible, even if the outcome is not good.

[dolphin]

On the Dr. Deagle show a few days ago he said that China thinks that it is China's turn to rule the world. One possible invasion of the USA scenario is they come in and give you a chance to leave, and then for those that stay, they release a weaponized race-specific virus to wipe out the rest. He talked about the genetic engineering they are doing to produce super-soldiers with incredible capacities.

Another source said the USA is so in debt to other nations, they are just going to come in and divvy up the country and China will get the Pacific NW where I live.

China!?! Frack!

All this makes me want to concoct a plan to move to South America while it is still possible to to escape, but I doubt I can pull that one off. And I'm pretty sure the global white hats are busy foiling as many nefarious plots as possible. And I'm pretty sure, I'm stuck right here in Eastern Oregon, feeling like the weirdest one in town.

So for my escape plan, I turned off Deagle and switched to Dan Winter, sacred geometry, creation, bliss, DNA and how to become a star ... and much more.

Dan Winter - The Purpose of DNA (PL)
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?gl=PL&hl=pl&p=192600B522EA25FD
{English with Polish subtitles}
In part 6 he talks about GMO food and how it may cost you your soul.
Part 7 - there is a beautiful animation of the holy grail
By part 9 he is talking about the borg and the issue of the White Powder Gold, ORME, Ormus that some people are consuming
Part 10 - The gold powder and the "beehive" of the Orion queen culture and "royal" family, reign of terror vs using the song of the blissful heart.
Part 11 - The problem with the white powder consumption is there is no individuation
Part 12 - and with only one source of Phi-re, everyone is phase embedded into total telepathy and you can no longer imagine yourself separate. The white powder gold is external technology.

What makes your heart sing? Bliss is the inside out technology that creates miracles and synchronicity in your life. In a different video series, Winter spoke of a Sufi saying: "Only love bends the light so only love creates." Compassion is feeling outside-in - it is shareable - it is the true "heart of gold" and the effects extend beyond this earth world after death. "Bliss is what makes us stars."

Here is a page, with lots of graphics, about the heart of everything:
http://caltek.net/dan/connectivity/phibiz/heartsun/HeartofSun.html

A Powerpoint presentation:
http://www.goldenmean.info/implosionweb/

Film library:
http://www.goldenmean.info/implosionmovies/

thanks karen for the info on dan winters! he's terrific...watching the video now...seems to corroborate what i read from alex collier and bashar :thumb_yello:.

[Triaxis]

On the Dr. Deagle show a few days ago he said that China thinks that it is China's turn to rule the world. One possible invasion of the USA scenario is they come in and give you a chance to leave, and then for those that stay, they release a weaponized race-specific virus to wipe out the rest. He talked about the genetic engineering they are doing to produce super-soldiers with incredible capacities.

Another source said the USA is so in debt to other nations, they are just going to come in and divvy up the country and China will get the Pacific NW where I live.

China!?! Frack!

China does not have the military power to take the world, either now, or even a decade from now. Their Navy is way to small, and unlike the US, they are hemmed in by powers such as Russia, Japan and India...

They can't just come in to the US, mainly because their relatively pitiful fleet would be blown out of the water before they even got half way across the pacific. Even an invasion in tandum with Russia, Japan would be doomed to failure.

I will also say that any invasion attempt by the US into China would fail miserably as well.

The US is not some weak little country. It is the strongest - even now. The idea that other counties are going to waltz in and divvy up the US is ludicrous really.

As to the debt...

Say if I had a printing press and someone swapped their currency they printed for my currency that I printed. And then after a time, they came back and said they wanted their money back, but in hard assets.

I would turn around and tell them politely that no, they can not have any of my assets, but I will gladly print them out the money I owe them. Sure, it may devalue it, but bad luck. If it devalues to much, well, I throw away the old template and start printing out different money instead. I've still got my assets, so my new money will be well backed and worth something.

Now they would be very displeased about this, I am sure. But if I had, say, the biggest Navy, Army and Nuclear arsenal, and huge internal raw material resources at my disposal, as well as 280 million people to back it up. And they had only lots of people but less of the rest, well, there would be little they could do about it......

That's exactly how the U.S is going to clear their debts IMO - they are going to inflate their way out of it. And there is little China can do about it.

[Myplanet2]

China owns a lot of the USA's wealth by now. They own a lot of dollars, companies, and real estate, and hold a lot of US debt.

When they want to redeem any of their investment in the above, and if they are refused, then the credibility of the US will suffer. And that would matter big time. The US has moved so much of it's manufacturing off shore that it would take too long to generate a local economy again. There would be revolution long before it could happen. It would never come down to military confrontation. It would never have to.

The weasel PTB's that run the US will abandon ship with pockets full at the first hint their pillage is coming to an end.

[Swanny]

China does not have the military power to take the world, either now, or even a decade from now. Their Navy is way to small, and unlike the US, they are hemmed in by powers such as Russia, Japan and India...


If China joined forces they could do whatever they like.
And as Myplanet2 says if tptb decide to give the US to China it doesn't matter how big the American navy is

[Triaxis]

China owns a lot of the USA's wealth by now. They own a lot of dollars, companies, and real estate, and hold a lot of US debt.

Much has been made of China's high profile purchases of US assets recently. What is not discussed so much is the extent of US investment in China - particularly in manufacturing.

It's hard to trace the extent of the bi-lateral foreign investment between the US and China, but it can be safely said that this has been a pretty much one way street in favor of the U.S.

When they want to redeem any of their investment in the above, and if they are refused, then the credibility of the US will suffer. And that would matter big time. The US has moved so much of it's manufacturing off shore that it would take too long to generate a local economy again.

This is where the deflation of the US currency comes in (and what I believe they are going to do)

Deflating the value of the dollar:
(1) Wipes out debt
(2) Makes cheap Chineese imports less cheap, thus less attractive
(3) Makes US products cheaper, thus more attractive

I believe the US will do this, and then you will have a situation where US manufacturing companies will begin to desert China and return to the US. A few well placed tarrifs will seal the deal.

Then you have a situation where China suddenly loses it's manufacturing base, and the US regains it.

China is very vulnerable. Right now, they are building things they don't even need, just to keep enough of their people occupied and placated. That's why they are propping up the US by buying bonds. If the US stops utilizing their labor to make things, and stops buying those things, China is up the creek.

If China joined forces they could do whatever they like.

It doesn't matter who they joined forces with. Calculate the amount of forces required to attack the US. Then calculate the amount of shipping that would be required to move those forces. Then try to imagine, in your absolute wildest imagination, how they would safely move that massive flotilla from one side of the pacific to the other, without even a semblance of control of the sea lanes, the air, or space.

It is just SO impossible, i'm sorry. I have heard a lot of "out there" theories over the years, and frankly this one (China invading America) takes the cake easily.

I wouldn't underestimate the US. It took Russia less that two decades to recover from their collapse. The US is not going to collapse, thus their recovery is going to be much quicker IMO

I will also say that i don't believe China wants war. They don't want to dominate the world, but do want to regain their traditional sphere of influence in south east Asia via relatively peacful economic methods

[Myplanet2]

Well, I can see your rationale, but I believe you are operating from the premise that the US government still has the best interests of the American people as their focus.

I don't make that assumption.

Also, deflating their way out of their debts, would be a defacto criminal act, and who will enter into long range business arrangements with them then?

The other couple of considerations that don't jibe, are how do you get around the fact that most manufacturing has been shipped offshore, and how long will it take to tool back up to a manufacturing based economy, which has been systematically changed out since perhaps the 50's, and what do you do to keep your people from revolting in the intervening period of time?

The people ruining the US are doing it on purpose, because your vision of your country was once true, and it was the one and only stumbling block to the PTB's long range plans. US could have stopped them cold, and they knew it. So through the purchase of one politician, corporate head, scientist, educator, medical researcher, banker, media mogul, etc, after another, little by little, they have check mated the US social, civil, legal, financial, economic, educational, corporate, agricultural, military structures, to where these facets of your country are no longer able to act independently for the good of "we the people".

The PTB plans can not go forward with an intact USA. So I think that is why we see all the various moves taking place right now to desperately destroy what's left of the US. They have to create a situation where a one world government and monetary/banking system is preferable to suffering through what would have to be done, on a personal sacrifice basis, in order to restore the US to it's former self sustainable greatness.

I actually believe that the way forward from this point in time and from this current reality, is to just abandon the PTB structures and NOT try to go back to former paradigms. I'd opt instead to create a new system which is not centralized the way the current system is. That system was evolved by the PTB because it's the only way to firm up control into a very few hands. Small communities, looking after all of their needs, supplemented by regional trade, but avoiding the impulse to return to the silly system of centralizing everything. Personal responsibility. Each individual responsible for their own survival, and helping one another out from the desire to do so, rather than because it's been planned in some board room.

At least this is how everything I'm seeing looks to me.

[Seashore]

Well, I can see your rationale, but I believe you are operating from the premise that the US government still has the best interests of the American people as their focus...

I can relate to this statement.

I think we all need to stop thinking in terms of nationalities... the US vs.China, etc., and start thinking in terms of the controllers vs. the controlled--worldwide.

[Unified Serenity]

Wow, I'm impressed with all the responses. I have avoided this thread just because I didn't want to get into "worst case" thinking. I've been involved in this topic since the early 1990's. I used to do talk radio locally and had many whistle blower types on my program. It got so bad that I was followed and apparently my phone was tapped at one point. I got off the grid in late 1990's and have pretty much stayed that way.

While I think having a small community working together is optimal, having meeting places for those in the know is a big mistake. Just raise a huge flag and say, "We're over here, come n get us"! No, I would not want to meet up with hundreds of awakened people in the middle of a Federal UN controlled round up chipping / extermination / relocation/ re-education program. I will never willingly go on a bus/train anywhere with a herd of sheeple!

I have limited resources at this point, but have been laying up supplies for a while as I can. I buy extra rice, beans, spam (ick) canned meat, veggies etc as I go, and seal it up in containers for use later if needed. The only thing I need to buy is a really good water purification system and alternative energy stuff if need be. For those looking, I recommend learning how to use a solar oven, and how to collect water safely like they teach in the military survival schools. Those books are available at any army/navy store or gun shows.

Speaking of guns, never buy one from a dealer, never fill out an info card. Buy only via private individuals, and keep your powder dry! I will fight if my family is personally attacked. I will not go marching and demonstrating. The agent provocateurs will turn it into a mess, and the crack down will begin, and if you are on one of those lists, look out.

Get plenty of heirloom seeds, store them well and learn how to harvest the seeds to keep things going. After everything calms down, I do think community living will be key. Know your neighbors. Break tasks down in groups, and don't let anyone become "head honcho". If you don't have money / items to trade then knowledge and elbow grease will be just as important. Be able to offer something and you will be ok. I learned blacksmithing a long time ago. Knowing how to weave, sew, can, store, and grow stuff will be great assets. Knowing how to plane a board without power tools, how to fell trees without getting killed, and build basic shelters will be important. Knowing natural cures will be important. The ptw plan on wiping out 6 billion or more of us, so learn how to stay healthy, have lots of vitamins and mineral stored up, iodine, and how to not be a victim.

I think that last part is key. For me, not knowing and being ignorant is the scariest thing. If I know a tsunami is coming I can make plans, if I see storm clouds but haven't a clue what to do then there is the fear. I want to thank each of you for your comments. Staying positive is so important. I feel more calm talking with you all, you actually seem like lucid non-deranged wacko's compared to the people or sheeple I should say who trust the government. Oh, and I do plan to get the hell out of N. Florida which will become a bottleneck for the millions fleeing south Florida if worst cast scenario massive flooding takes over the state. I won't be here where most of those people will come desperately trying to survive and willing to do the unthinkable to survive.

Many blessings and much love to you all.

[Seashore]

...It got so bad that I was followed and apparently my phone was tapped at one point...

:mfr_omg:

...I got off the grid in late 1990's and have pretty much stayed that way...

I used to think "off the grid" meant the electrical grid...

...While I think having a small community working together is optimal, having meeting places for those in the know is a big mistake...

Sounds like the voice of experience...

... Just raise a huge flag and say, "We're over here, come n get us"! No, I would not want to meet up with hundreds of awakened people in the middle of a Federal UN controlled round up chipping / extermination / relocation/ re-education program. I will never willingly go on a bus/train anywhere with a herd of sheeple!...


Good point...

...The only thing I need to buy is a really good water purification system...

I bought Berkey purifiers for myself and for my two grown sons (cause they're not doing this for themselves)...

Thank you for a fantastic post.

[pyrangello]

I would also like to add there is alot of level headed calm and thought provoking individuals on this site , I have learned so much from the comments made here, opinions, and life experiences that everyone has shared. From health matters to understanding the reasons as to the question , Why?

I do know that if there ever is a time of crisis and the internet is still available this site will be the pathfinder to knowledge far beyond the media as it always has as well as the team avalon family members who de-bunk what needs to be de-bunked.

It's funny when I see something on the news, I always look forward to checking out this site to see what all of your opinions are .

One thing I know for sure because of this site and all of you, if things ever did get out of control , I will remember all that I have learned about staying positive even in the worst situations, focusing on the light, not getting sucked into the vortex if you will and do what I can for others. Thats what it's all about!

[Swanny]

Well, I can see your rationale, but I believe you are operating from the premise that the US government still has the best interests of the American people as their focus.

I don't make that assumption.



Nor me, we are just numbers to TPTB, they don't care about us at all





I think we all need to stop thinking in terms of nationalities... the US vs.China, etc., and start thinking in terms of the controllers vs. the controlled--worldwide.
Yea it's them and us

[Seashore]

...After everything calms down, I do think community living will be key. Know your neighbors...

I have a suggestion for people who live in a neighborhood where you have an association and a board of directors. Start (if you don't already) going to your board of directors meetings.

[Lorien]

I would also like to add there is alot of level headed calm and thought provoking individuals on this site , I have learned so much from the comments made here, opinions, and life experiences that everyone has shared. From health matters to understanding the reasons as to the question , Why?

I do know that if there ever is a time of crisis and the internet is still available this site will be the pathfinder to knowledge far beyond the media as it always has as well as the team avalon family members who de-bunk what needs to be de-bunked.

It's funny when I see something on the news, I always look forward to checking out this site to see what all of your opinions are .

One thing I know for sure because of this site and all of you, if things ever did get out of control , I will remember all that I have learned about staying positive even in the worst situations, focusing on the light, not getting sucked into the vortex if you will and do what I can for others. Thats what it's all about!

Well said! And I agree 100% :thumb_yello:

[waitinginthewings]

I have a suggestion for people who live in a neighborhood where you have an association and a board of directors. Start (if you don't already) going to your board of directors meetings.

Yes, I am going to the next strata meeting & plan on discussing the possibility of digging up a portion of our green lawns to convert to veggie garden plots. I can just see them roll their eyes now.....they are a conservative bunch who complain about a few dandeloins, & like they green lawns. I've also been thing about asking them to consider installing solar panels on our roofs..........me thinks they will be reaching for their martinis or some stiff drinks to cope with my brilliant ideas............ah its fun to stir the pot & watch their faces.

[Seashore]

Yes, I am going to the next strata meeting...

Keep us posted!

[NorthernSanctuary]

.After everything calms down, I do think community living will be key. Know your neighbors...

I think so too. There was a time when it was not good to stick up and be noticed, but those times are passing by pretty fast. The PTB are losing control and they know it. It's just a lot easier ti survive through the changes in a community of like minded people.

[Unified Serenity]

.After everything calms down, I do think community living will be key. Know your neighbors...

I think so too. There was a time when it was not good to stick up and be noticed, but those times are passing by pretty fast. The PTB are losing control and they know it. It's just a lot easier ti survive through the changes in a community of like minded people.

It's also a lot harder to shoot someone you know. :lol3:

[FIIISH]

:Update:

Well, here we are six months later and things are still chugging along.

That's a good sign, right?

[Christo888]

What can I contribute???

A very purposeful question...

To continually see the entire planet shimmering in a golden light!!!

[AscendingStarseed]

[QUOTE=Lorien;121991]Thanks for the replies so far everyone. :original:

I understand the need to prepare, and I am doing as much as possible. I do meditate and try to maintain a positive outlook on life as much as is possible these days.

However, I'm sure there are others in situations such as mine. I don't have a lot of money to stock up on food supplies, or anything to barter with. I don't have land that I can garden on or any natural water sources near by. I have bills and debt(due to medical issues) that require me to work my ass off.

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I can totally relate to your situation and have very little to stock up or barter either. After watching the last couple PC conferences I decided to do what I could and start assembling emergency supplies piece by piece, I was able to pull together enough to get by for a couple days...but needed a much sturdier backpack, the kind that costs $50. Living in LA I don't have a good coat.

The next day I walked into the Goodwill store and found a killer backpack for $7.99 and a Lands End goose down jacket for $9.99! A couple days later my neighbor gave me two big box's of Nutri-System food, so I pulled the food I thought I might be able to stomach if I was in a pinch and every time I go to the store I pick up a couple things to add to the supplies. Now I have a couple weeks work of food and a fairly well supplied emergency kit.

It's funny how once you make your mind up to do something, the Universe jumps in and backs up your efforts with considerable assistance - if you just pay attention and your grateful for the help. You're obviously doing the work by meditating, so keep throwing your good energy out there and visualizing with good intent and you'll get all the support you need from the intelligent universe, it's always there backing us up with loving support if it's for our Higher good.

Don't let the lack of money fool you, we're moving in a time when our creative ability are intensifying and if we believe in our on power to create, or manifest then it's becoming much easier to create what we need much quicker than before. Don't feed into the lack mentality...

I know, it's hard when your so broke you can't pay attention...but just remember we are always where we're meant to be and that our needs will always fulfilled.

~A~>

[Jnana]

Worst case scenario: things remain as they are.

The old must be swept away so that the new can be built. Don't cling to things as they are and be prepared to help build the new. Be true to yourself and live in your heart, not in your mind, and you will find a way through.

I'm finding it increasingly difficult to care about which way the material world turns and all of this who is going to do what to whom stuff. Throw me in prison? Fine, more time to meditate. Kill me? Fine, I hope I get a decent rest before coming back. Torture? That sucks a bit, hopefully I'll be able to leave my body. All of this nonsense is very tiring. Love, compassion, kindness, why is it so hard for people to figure these things out?

[AscendingStarseed]

Worst case scenario: things remain as they are.

The old must be swept away so that the new can be built. Don't cling to things as they are and be prepared to help build the new. Be true to yourself and live in your heart, not in your mind, and you will find a way through.

I'm finding it increasingly difficult to care about which way the material world turns and all of this who is going to do what to whom stuff. Throw me in prison? Fine, more time to meditate. Kill me? Fine, I hope I get a decent rest before coming back. Torture? That sucks a bit, hopefully I'll be able to leave my body. All of this nonsense is very tiring. Love, compassion, kindness, why is it so hard for people to figure these things out?

Yeah I hear you and no, I'm not materialistic and don't cling to much of anything anymore....but, I do live in LA and when I heard how many earthquake swarms there have been lately, I decided it might be best to get somethings together just in case. Better safe than sorry...maybe if I were in Kansas I could afford to have a more relaxed outlook.

[Samarkis]

Ok all.... here is my super concentrated info to survive most crises..........


1. Save what you can for food and medical supplies within yr means........


a) dried beans,rice,alfalfa seeds to sprout,dried fruits and dried soup cubes,some kind of water filter system-preferably with a silverator and reverse osmosis........even if it is only a sports bottle size! You only need to filter drinking and water for washing wounds that is pure.....you can use a t-shirt and a tripod of sticks to filter streams and lakes etc for laundering....

b) eucalyptus & tea tree essential oils,colloidal silver-these will kill most fungus,molds,bacterias,viruses

c) FARMER'S ALMANAC-it has soooooooooo much useful info for survival on the earth!

d) an map atlas , in case you need to get somewhere

e) ropes,strings,threads,fishing lines,scissors,nail clippers,files,pocket knives,screw drivers,plyers,fishing hooks,tweezers,hammer

f) sheets preferably white for MANY purposes!

g) folding tents for you & yr family


these are the bare minimums to survive even if one has to move into nature.......

Most importantly, WE create our realities...........learn how to use yr minds to focus on Light!

Pls read the free e-books on www.michaelsharp.org

you don't have to register to read the free e-books and learn what Humanity is really doing............

Face yr fears and release!

[Gnosis5]

Hubby and I were having a rather heated discussion about this tonight.

Here in Ontario, the worst case scenario would be that many if not most people would be forced to flee Toronto and many would be invading farms and stealing food because gangs would be formed and unleashed and there are a segment of population who are on drugs and the welfare mentality prevails here.

I see all beings as basically good but many are overwhelmed by many forms of provocation.

I would not want to be a farmer without a strong backbone and lots of savvy and a well concealed underground home already stocked with a few years supplies. It could get that bad and the boy scout motto is "always be prepared".

Now then there is further up north the Canadian shield (rocky granite country) which is useful only for hunting and fishing and maybe some goats or sheep and some built up garden boxes, but no large farms up here, just plenty of woods and swamps. Two lane highways at best. Plenty of lakes. Plenty of hungry black bears and coyotes and some wolf packs too. And, my god, the mosquitoes alone will keep the cowards away.

Plus it is about 2.5 hours from Toronto and most people here have firearms and know how to use them.

Not as interesting a target for desperate hungry people, plus the people up here would quickly form a tight knit community and keep out stray gangs.

Anybody below the Canadian shield who looks rich or too middle class will be the first to suffer and lose their homes, etc.

This scenario is taken right out of the history books -- history does often repeat itself.

Here in Toronto we live in a lower middle class neighborhood in a concrete clad home and a fairly tight knit townhouse complex so we will be okay at least until the water and electric are cut off, but there is no way to grow adequate food here and if anyone did have some chickens or a goat it would disappear one night into someone else's dinner pot. There are too many people in this complex of different ethnicities that things will only hold together for so long before trouble starts.

If and when this scenario forces us to take residence up north in the godforsaken woods (so most people think) we will use that as an opportunity to continue as a group our further spiritual clearing processes and education.

Our motley group is fond of the Maittreya being (the disembodied universe-sized being) and what he represents so we can withstand a simple physical life while earnestlly achieving our westernized equivalent of the Boddhisattva levels. In fact it will be easier for us.

Most of us have already achieved the equivalent of "Nibanna" or "Clear" and from that viewpoint as a sequestered group we can affect major changes within the hearts of men.

blessings,
Gnosis

[Samarkis]

Yes, Gnosis5!

It is very important for all to keep their minds on positive thoughts,safety and success...........we attract what we focus on!!!!!!!!!

For those not of mind that they control their reality........just remember that even in terrible times of holocaust/wars........there was always someone that escaped the odds and survived! Just because one has fear doesn't mean that the worst case scenario will happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We all have our life's mission as well as our consciousness! No one suffers or leaves the planet unless it was destined as their path!

We must only do our best within logic and/or intuition!

I also suggest for those who have a botanical garden near them, it is worthwhile to check it out,join some of the societies that have to do with food,fruit,vegetables,herbs! It is very encouraging to see so many that love nurturing and growing!!!!!!!!!!!

In Light!

[dolphin]

AscendingStarseed;, that's awesome! yes, i believe the universe provides when you make up your mind.

"ABUNDANCE: the ability to do something when you need to do it. does not have to include money as the definition"...quote from Bashar.

[Steven]

Yes, Gnosis5!

It is very important for all to keep their minds on positive thoughts,safety and success...........we attract what we focus on!!!!!!!!!

For those not of mind that they control their reality........just remember that even in terrible times of holocaust/wars........there was always someone that escaped the odds and survived! Just because one has fear doesn't mean that the worst case scenario will happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We all have our life's mission as well as our consciousness! No one suffers or leaves the planet unless it was destined as their path!

We must only do our best within logic and/or intuition!

I also suggest for those who have a botanical garden near them, it is worthwhile to check it out,join some of the societies that have to do with food,fruit,vegetables,herbs! It is very encouraging to see so many that love nurturing and growing!!!!!!!!!!!

In Light!

Hello Samarkis. What you just said made me think of two stories linked to the Asian Tsunami of 2004. I made a old thread about it last year. I will copy it here so you can read it. Both stories are amazing, it clearly shows that Earth is a living being.

Hi my brothers and sisters. Here are two small connected anecdotes.

They reflect what form protection may take during a catastrophe. First of all, know that we are alive beings surrounded and composed of alive beings. Sweet planet Earth is itself a very living being.

This information was public, by television. After the Asian Tsunami of late December 2004, two reporters went to a small city totally destroyed on an Indonesian shore. They were worried about a small island inhabited by native people. By boat, they headed to the island with a guide.

Before reaching the shore of this tiny island, they saw a man carrying a child on his shoulder. They were happy to see some were still alive. Once on the beach, they asked the man about their people and village. The man answered that they heard the spirit of the sea talking to the spirit of the air. They told the spirits that they were too little to be caught in their way. They respected their way and asked to be at peace. Nothing was done to this island. Not even a drop of salted water felt on it. The island was sitting right in the middle of the path of an enormous wave that destroyed the lands and cities.

Moreover, the two reporters talked about a pregnant woman who gave birth in a tree, 25 feet above the ground. Her and her baby were in perfect health, nothing was done to them.

There is not such a thing called coincidence. There is synchronicity. There is connection. But no coincidence. This, in the near future, will be the story of many. Even in the middle of the chaos.

On the other hand, I don't want you to contemplate chaos, know it, but don't contemplate it. Stick your thoughts to this tiny island and it's native living in harmony with all that is.

Namaste, Steven

[Gnosis5]

Hello Samarkis,

Thank you for taking the time to read my post and make a very thoughtful and upbeat reply. I agree with you 100% and I probably have a different way of expressing your exact sentiment as you expressed it in your own words. Thank you for spreading the "good news".

The Buddha walked the world as he knew it helping whoever who would be helped to share with him the joys of being stably cleared of negative reactions to one's environment, both within and without. I am continuing on in his work and perhaps taking it to a new level for all of us, with the encouragement of the buddha of all buddhas, Maittreya (and I'm not referring to the human man on the internet who is being called Maitreya -- I don't know him yet). I am referring to a universe-sized disembodied being, but I won't elaborate on that in this post.

blessings
Gnosis





Yes, Gnosis5!

It is very important for all to keep their minds on positive thoughts,safety and success...........we attract what we focus on!!!!!!!!!

For those not of mind that they control their reality........just remember that even in terrible times of holocaust/wars........there was always someone that escaped the odds and survived! Just because one has fear doesn't mean that the worst case scenario will happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We all have our life's mission as well as our consciousness! No one suffers or leaves the planet unless it was destined as their path!

We must only do our best within logic and/or intuition!

I also suggest for those who have a botanical garden near them, it is worthwhile to check it out,join some of the societies that have to do with food,fruit,vegetables,herbs! It is very encouraging to see so many that love nurturing and growing!!!!!!!!!!!

In Light!

[Gnosis5]

INteresting. I don't quite know what to do with that information yet, but I'm definitely filing it in my "bullpen".


Much has been made of China's high profile purchases of US assets recently. What is not discussed so much is the extent of US investment in China - particularly in manufacturing.

It's hard to trace the extent of the bi-lateral foreign investment between the US and China, but it can be safely said that this has been a pretty much one way street in favor of the U.S.



This is where the deflation of the US currency comes in (and what I believe they are going to do)

Deflating the value of the dollar:
(1) Wipes out debt
(2) Makes cheap Chineese imports less cheap, thus less attractive
(3) Makes US products cheaper, thus more attractive

I believe the US will do this, and then you will have a situation where US manufacturing companies will begin to desert China and return to the US. A few well placed tarrifs will seal the deal.

Then you have a situation where China suddenly loses it's manufacturing base, and the US regains it.

China is very vulnerable. Right now, they are building things they don't even need, just to keep enough of their people occupied and placated. That's why they are propping up the US by buying bonds. If the US stops utilizing their labor to make things, and stops buying those things, China is up the creek.



It doesn't matter who they joined forces with. Calculate the amount of forces required to attack the US. Then calculate the amount of shipping that would be required to move those forces. Then try to imagine, in your absolute wildest imagination, how they would safely move that massive flotilla from one side of the pacific to the other, without even a semblance of control of the sea lanes, the air, or space.

It is just SO impossible, i'm sorry. I have heard a lot of "out there" theories over the years, and frankly this one (China invading America) takes the cake easily.

I wouldn't underestimate the US. It took Russia less that two decades to recover from their collapse. The US is not going to collapse, thus their recovery is going to be much quicker IMO

I will also say that i don't believe China wants war. They don't want to dominate the world, but do want to regain their traditional sphere of influence in south east Asia via relatively peacful economic methods

[Gnosis5]

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Pls read the free e-books on www.michaelsharp.org

you don't have to register to read the free e-books and learn what Humanity is really doing............

Face yr fears and release!


Hi Samarkis,

I like what he says here: A lot of people say a lot of different things but frankly if the things they say put the power outside of you, then the things they are saying are frackin ********. The capital "T" truth is, the power (and the glory) is within you and as soon as you know that, as soon as you remember who you are, and as soon as you understand it all starts with us, everything begins to change.

The trauma-oriented processes I used to reach my current awakening level have relieved me from the compulson to "put the power outside of myself". Even the Maittreya says we can reach a state where we no longer adhere to "identities" , including his own.

And, yes, as Michael intimates, I did have to go back thousands of years, plus some.

blessings,
gnosis