Distortions of the truth, (RANT)

[tone3jaguar]

Here is my Rant :wall:

When ever there comes along some valuable channeled or intuitive information there is all ways the risk that it may become distorted by the individuals who choose to believe it or follow it. All through out history teachings from various different higher sources have started out as helpful good information for the greater good of humanity. As the numbers of people that follow the information grows there is almost always the risk that they will become exclusive and fanatical resulting in the formation of a new religion.

I just recently experienced some of the first signs of this in regards to the Law of One material that was channeled over 20 years ago. That information is very good and has some neat ideas about how the consciousness of the Universe may be structured. Just like any channeled information I take it with a grain of salt because the medium is always a person. People are always subject to error when channeling because this information must be filtered through the conscious and subconscious minds of the medium before it comes out of their mouth.

The experience that I had was on another forum that was created as part of a the web site of David Wilcock. I am not upset that the forum post that I tried to make was rejected. However, the reasons given for the rejection of the post sounded very much like the opinions of those preaching a new religious dogma.

I attempted to make a post in a thread that had been created by another member of those forums about David's recently released and updated older readings and channelings. There was some stuff that Ra had said through David about there being 3 waves of ascension. Just like most channeled information, it is very symbolic and enigmatic. Therefore it is all open to interpretation.

So I stated my opinion of what Ra was referring to with this three waves of ascension deal. I did not try to say that it was my own divined or intuitive info which is against their forum rules. Instead I clearly states that I was just brainstorming as to what this three waves of ascension might mean.

They kicked the post back to me. The reasons given where, it is not in line with David's teachings and the law of one, It will confuse the forum members because it is not part DW's teachings nor is it directly from the law of one. I protested that this was censorship of a simple idea.

The response back was that if I could not go back into David's Readings, David's Blogs, or the original Law of One material and prove that my idea was in alignment with them directly that it would not be allowed on the devinecosmos.com forums.

I rejected the request that I must justify my ideas in order to post them on their forums and asked to be permanently removed from the forum membership over there. I informed them that their moderation policies where creating a perception of exclusiveness and religious dogma surrounding the Law of One material.

Rant over, sorry for wasting you time:wall:

[Steve_G]

It's hardly wasting out time tone3. I'd heard his forum was strictly moderated insofar as "negativity" was not tolerated in any form, but I had no idea that included anything not directly from DW's "teachings."

That strikes me as very doctrine-based, a kind of "his interpretation is the only interpretation" position.

Hmmmmmm.

[Carmen]

Thats what is so good about this forum tone, people can express themselves freely. Without freedom of thought, there is no freedom. This is the only forum I have ever been on so I cannot judge others, but this one suits me fine.

Cheers

Carmen

Ps Rantings good!!!

[Czymra]

Any dogma is dangerous and eventually useless. That's just what I've come to accept. If the forum doesn't want you to express yourself, I suppose there's nothing left to do but leave them to self-combust.

[Phtha]

Hi Tone, I to have thought a lot on the subject you bring up in your post.

Let me try and create and analogy of this problem.

Lets say there is a text uncovered tomorrow that is said to be the true teachings of some great prophet. The scrolls were well kept in some chest at the bottom of the sea and verified by the official organs of religion and media.
Many people now read this text and are taken away by it, huge congregations of worshipers gather and start to preach these wonderful words. All are in jubilation and can't believe at how these words touch each and everyone of them in a special way.

But then, a few months later it is discovered that these words are not the words of the one whom they were all told, in fact they may have even been written by some no name on welfare.

Foul! Everyone cries, Foul! How dare that man trick us. And they all give up on the texts that only a day ago they so cherished...

Why? Because they are not looking for the truth inside them. They are wanting to learn the truth from outside sources. Sources that they never questioned in their lives.


The truth does not come from the source of texts but from the effect the words and symbols contained therein produce.
And so the truth does not come from a persons mouth, but from the words that that the person is speaking.
Because the truth comes from within, not without.

So to all those people on that forum that you mentioned Tone... I find it funny how they will not believe something, or in this case even be willing to discuss the matter, until it has been verified by a source rather then the words they contain and rather then their own thoughts...

For some reason I'm reminded of a passage I recently read in the essenes gospels"

There is none yet among you that can understand all this of which I speak. He who expounds to you the scriptures speaks to you in a dead tongue of dead men, through his diseased and mortal body.

[avyaktam]

It would be interesting to know if this moderator behavior is endorsed by DW.
A response to your approach would be more valuable than a ban.
In general a discussion should be about ideas, input, opinions, angles, a search for truth etc. and not about personalities.

[sun-toon´]

I just recently experienced some of the first signs of this in regards to the Law of One material that was channeled over 20 years ago. That information is very good and has some neat ideas about how the consciousness of the Universe may be structured. Just like any channeled information I take it with a grain of salt because the medium is always a person.

I think it's at least as wise to take channeled information with a grain of salt because of the source...not necessarily the medium. IMO everything channeled is coming out of the astral realm, from astral beings...no matter who or what they call themselves. There's always an agenda, and that can range from malevolence, through disinformation, and up into truly valuable higher dimensional teachings. It requires a strong level of discernment of both the human and the entities involved. [/QUOTE]

I informed them that their moderation policies where creating a perception of exclusiveness and religious dogma surrounding the Law of One material.

Well this explains why the comments on his site are so smarmy and saccharine. Nobody is served by limiting the free exchange of ideas. It also does nothing positive towards the emergence of the transmutational paradigm. DW has acquired a lot of interesting information, but it's oxymoronic to act as an authority in the woo-hoo realm he occupies (and of course the same goes for most of the rest of us).

[Luminari]

The truth does not come from the source of texts but from the effect the words and symbols contained therein produce.
And so the truth does not come from a persons mouth, but from the words that that the person is speaking.
Because the truth comes from within, not without.



Exactly, the message is what's important not the messenger or the format.

If it resonates strongly with you, go with it.

Sun toon: "I think it's at least as wise to take channeled information with a grain of salt because of the source..."

I understand your perspective and common sense approach, in general that is a wise position.

Personally I have found far more 'truth' and extremely valuable spiritual concepts and ideas in channeled material (specifically some great ones have been; Ramtha, RA, Reunion With Source/Becoming Gods II - James Gilliland, Path of Empowerment - Barbara Marciniak) then in ALL OTHER LITERARY MATERIAL Ive ever read combined.. Ramtha alone will knock your socks off and blast you into next week if you put your ego and circle of experiences aside and really grasp what is being said.

Many other channeled works Ive read have been not-so-brilliant and more ambiguous but still of value, but my point is (for me) when its good, nothing else even comes close.

[BROOK]

Ramtha was particularly good :thumb_yello:
Thanks Luminari for turning me on to it...even though it took me a while to figure out how to download it :lol3:

[Luminari]

Ramtha was particularly good :thumb_yello:
Thanks Luminari for turning me on to it...even though it took me a while to figure out how to download it :lol3:


No worries, that was just the tip of the iceberg.. I have 21 gig of different Ramtha audiolectures.

Im not here to start a Ramtha cult though, just giving feedback and some recommendations :thumb_yello:

Getting back to the thread though.. David Wilcock's higher source does have many pearls of wisdom and proven prophetic acuracy (though in a vague nostradamic makes-sense-after-its-happened way). I REALLY enjoyed the excerpts in the Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce book.

What is the point of their forum though if you can't offer interpretation of the messages and have a discussion about the material?

[recallone]

I feel you, Tone.
The beauty about this trip is that nothing is permanent. There is no ultimate truth. There is no arrival. No completion. The be-all-end-all position on any one particular source paints us into the same box of limitation that organized religion does. Everybody's two cents worth is a transient truth that we need to let go of while in pursuit of our own, greater truth. Every great thing is inside. I applaud you for honoring your truth and recognizing how important your own intuitive guidings are.
Phtha, very nice reply, btw.

love and light, y'all

[tone3jaguar]

Well this explains why the comments on his site are so smarmy and saccharine. Nobody is served by limiting the free exchange of ideas. It also does nothing positive towards the emergence of the transmutational paradigm. DW has acquired a lot of interesting information, but it's oxymoronic to act as an authority in the woo-hoo realm he occupies (and of course the same goes for most of the rest of us).

I do not want this to turn into a bash David Wilcock or the accuracy of his channelings. The entity that he channels "Ra" is actually David's higher self. The information that David churns out is very useful info, and his efforts towards uncovering the hidden branch of physics called torsian field physics. I would never want to try to downplay that. I will still continue to study the law of one material and read David's blogs. The point of this thread is to point out what is happening on his forums as a result of the rules structure over there.

think it's at least as wise to take channeled information with a grain of salt because of the source...not necessarily the medium. IMO everything channeled is coming out of the astral realm, from astral beings...no matter who or what they call themselves. There's always an agenda, and that can range from malevolence, through disinformation, and up into truly valuable higher dimensional teachings. It requires a strong level of discernment of both the human and the entities involved.


Most channels are getting stuff out of 3d astral. However, the more advanced channel that knows how to protect against negative influence can get mostly clear information out of the higher dimensions. I would not consider channeling any source that was lower than 7th density because of the risk that they might be negatively polarized.

Ramtha was particularly good
Thanks Luminari for turning me on to it...even though it took me a while to figure out how to download it

Take this like a grain of salt because this is my channeled info, not traditional channeling instead what I come up with using the dowsing pendulum. As far as I can tell, this Ramtha entity is a negative ET. On a scale of -20 to +20 Ramtha dowses up a -5 entity from negative 5th density. -5 is not that bad, they are usually trickster entities. They will give you alot of truth with just enough disinfo mixed to keep you from realizing the total truth.

When I see that woman channeling Ramtha, I see alot of arrogance and judgmental behavior coming from Ramtha. This is not typical of a fully ascended being.

[tone3jaguar]

I just got the response back from the mods over at devinecosmos. They say that my conclusions are all self centered because they wont let me promote my own work on their forums. The told me to go back and read all of the forum rules which read like a legal document. I told them no thanks, just remove me from the membership.

[Czymra]

I just got the response back from the mods over at devinecosmos. They say that my conclusions are all self centered because they wont let me promote my own work on their forums. The told me to go back and read all of the forum rules which read like a legal document. I told them no thanks, just remove me from the membership.

Strange twisting of words there but I guess one should really read such rules in detail before even joining a forum.... no I never read Avalon's either.
It's absurd to even think that there is a forum that is set up only to circulate a single thought pattern.

[Jack]

David Wilcock could very well, easily turn what hes got goiing on into a cult. Or, he could be a well to do lad just looking to help other people, but that doesnt mean he hasnt made a crucial mistake. And that mistake is openly basing most of his study on the law of one, and his own synopsis of it. He could also believe in this so passionatly that he doesnt account for other peoples waryness when their approached with something like this. Discernments fairly popular these days especially with the audience he's got.

But the fact of the matter is this. Its not wise to put all your money on the one horse. Explore all the myths and mysteries and the truth will find you. And im pretty sure this is why david is so passionate, because he's frustrated and wants everyone to hurry their assses up and start going with the flow of consciousness evolution instead of fighting it and wearing ourselves out in the process.

Cult leader.. i dont think so.

Frustrated young man that wants the world to wake the f k up, that makes more sense.

[sun-toon´]

I do not want this to turn into a bash David Wilcock or the accuracy of his channelings. The entity that he channels "Ra" is actually David's higher self. The information that David churns out is very useful info, and his efforts towards uncovering the hidden branch of physics called torsian field physics. I would never want to try to downplay that. I will still continue to study the law of one material and read David's blogs. The point of this thread is to point out what is happening on his forums as a result of the rules structure over there.

Well I wasn't "bashing" him. It was statement of fact. The comments, on his blog anyway, are mostly about how wonderful he is, and how moved the writers are by what he has to say. I had a feeling they were censored, because they are way to positive and unquestioning.

Maybe he's been somewhat hijacked by volunteers who worship his every word, but I suspect he's quite aware of what's going on. It goes along with the rest of his lack of humility, which I think adds nothing but raised eyebrows to his message. From my own PoV, if I thought I was Edgar Cayce or Ra, I wouldn't have the nerve to publicly paint myself with that brush, but he apparently feels that it works for him. Whatever...it's his trip.

That being said, I still like listening to him, and I do agree that his research...or more exactly the research that he's studying and passing along, has value. He also has great connections to other researchers, and only good can come out of a meeting of minds at that level.

Most channels are getting stuff out of 3d astral. However, the more advanced channel that knows how to protect against negative influence can get mostly clear information out of the higher dimensions. I would not consider channeling any source that was lower than 7th density because of the risk that they might be negatively polarized.

I've read some of your posts here, and really don't understand a lot of what you write...such as "3d astral", but I am highly suspect of the dimensional numbering system you're using, and will stand by my statement that virtually all of the channeled sources are purely astral, including the ET sources. It's a much larger domain that it's given credit for. What you're calling 7th density, I'm calling high astral. To describe ourselves beyond the astral...to talk about what it's like in 8th density, is to be far beyond the reach of language. It's simply not translatable into English.

[tone3jaguar]

I've read some of your posts here, and really don't understand a lot of what you write...such as "3d astral", but I am highly suspect of the dimensional numbering system you're using, and will stand by my statement that virtually all of the channeled sources are purely astral, including the ET sources. It's a much larger domain that it's given credit for. What you're calling 7th density, I'm calling high astral. To describe ourselves beyond the astral...to talk about what it's like in 8th density, is to be far beyond the reach of language. It's simply not translatable into English.


That is cool, we all have our own paradigms about the other side. The great thing is that none of us is right and none of us are wrong either. Each person decides for them selves what is important for them to learn about. If the details about the structure of dimensions in this universe do not seem important or relevant, then I would not focus on them either. It would be more important for you to focus on things that you are naturally attracted to and excited about.

Because of the path that I chose before I came into this incarnation, it is nessesary for me to personally learn as much as possible about the energetic structure of the universe and do my best to try to relay that information to people. My current paradigm which is always evolving and expanding is that there are 8 levels of reality in this universe.

From our perspective in this reality it is impossible to see what they are really all about. Our versions and descriptions of these places will always be limited to the rational thought processes we are mostly held to because of the construct of our reality. For the average person who is just simply trying to find a place of happiness and security in life the information does not have much value.

However, for an individual like myself that wishes to communicate with higher forms of consciousness in order to bring new helpful information into this world it is imperative that I understand how to make sure my info is not being tainted by negative consciousness. Part of this understanding comes in the form of being able to determine what level of ascension and polarity the entity(s) I am working with are. If I do not do this I could end up being one of these intuitives that suddenly goes off of the deep end talking about how nuclear and biological genocide are right around the corner. That is what happens if you do intuitive work and you assume that you wont be taken advantage of. It is not for everyone.

[EpiphaMe]

His forum is HIS.. w/his rules...
you just were reminded of that.
But I've behaved as you have, I was afronted and was hurt that I was misunderstood...you know that feeling of wanting to make right was is perceived as wrongly misunderstood? I used to partake in a forum yrs ago, called from Sex to Superconsciousness, Achary S forum... the rules were explicity stated "NO we do not believe that Jesus ever existed as it is depicted and practiced in the world's religions"... etc...
well, you can imagine the moderators job there!!! lolol.... (please no comment from others about her or that former site [which has changed its name]) < it's just an example.

and I LOVE rants, really do and it's good to do so... glad you felt like ripping it here!!!!!!! I relate! Great Thread TITLE... if others would just remember that's the title)...it's not like we need more input right???

good evening!

(today 4-8-09 I edited a mistake I made above, about the premise of that former forum, changed from 'god' to 'jesus')... sorry 'bout that.

[Czymra]

I find it reassuring that many of you do mention the arrogance and the 'almost cult' feel about this. I have had the same notions and am staying well clear of David Wilcock for those reasons.
To me this is lessons how NOT to be a 'leader'.... or rather another pointer toward giving up completely on leading at all.

Jack, well noted on the frustration, I think that is in fact the real reason for his behaviour.

[Luminari]

As far as I can tell, this Ramtha entity is a negative ET. On a scale of -20 to +20 Ramtha dowses up a -5 entity from negative 5th density. -5 is not that bad, they are usually trickster entities. They will give you alot of truth with just enough disinfo mixed to keep you from realizing the total truth.

When I see that woman channeling Ramtha, I see alot of arrogance and judgmental behavior coming from Ramtha. This is not typical of a fully ascended being.

Ahem excuse me sir, you are not entitled to have an opinion.

Come back when youve actually studied some of the teachings.

"I see alot of arrogance and judgmental behaviour coming from Ramtha"

-that sounds more like what we are seeing from YOU lately.

Ramtha invented the word channeling. Dowse that.



I find it reassuring that many of you do mention the arrogance and the 'almost cult' feel about this. I have had the same notions and am staying well clear of David Wilcock
T

Well you will be missing all of the wisdom and love from the cutting edge of consciousness research. If you aren't supporting David's work AT ALL then you have some dark agenda, or ego issues.

Even Tone3Zeus recognises the good research and work Mr Wilcock is doing on behalf of us all.



Im disappointed guys.. but not surprised.
This thread is giving me the creeps, im going to sit in the sunshine for a while.
I wish you all the best in your research. We may have our petty disputes over ideology but important to remember "we are all one".
This is a game - throw me a curve ball, I'll knock it out of the park.

[Phtha]

Well you will be missing all of the wisdom and love from the cutting edge of consciousness research. If you aren't supporting David's work AT ALL then you have some dark agenda, or ego issues.


Whatever David Wilcock is he is most certainly NOT the cutting edge of consciousness research. Anything he has tought relating to consciousness can be found in ancient sources like the vedas.

Maybe you meant tying mainstream science into consciousness? I'd reluctantly give him the credit of cutting edge in this case.
Myself, I have yet to hear anything from him that is not found elsewhere.

[sun-toon´]

That is cool, we all have our own paradigms about the other side. The great thing is that none of us is right and none of us are wrong either. Each person decides for them selves what is important for them to learn about. If the details about the structure of dimensions in this universe do not seem important or relevant, then I would not focus on them either. It would be more important for you to focus on things that you are naturally attracted to and excited about.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I am very interested in dimensional structure, I just don't see it the same way you do. But as you say, it's true that we all have our own paradigms and can only intuit the way we do, which goes back to my comment about the oxymoronic nature of being an authority in the realms of woo-hoo. I don't see any way to prove any of this stuff, and I'll concede that it's possible that your view is correct and mine is not. If I had to put money on it though, it would be that neither of us has clarity, but we're doing our best under the circumstances.

However, for an individual like myself that wishes to communicate with higher forms of consciousness in order to bring new helpful information into this world it is imperative that I understand how to make sure my info is not being tainted by negative consciousness. Part of this understanding comes in the form of being able to determine what level of ascension and polarity the entity(s) I am working with are.

I use different means of determining the the level and intent of a channeled entity, but not dowsing or the polarity thing you mention. I find that much information that had a positive feel in the past, now has proven itself to be some positive information mixed with disinformation...the case being that I've expanded and the information was not true enough to come along. I assume this process will continue, and that what's cutting edge right now will also prove itself to be various packets of truth mixed with misleading info.

Well you will be missing all of the wisdom and love from the cutting edge of consciousness research. If you aren't supporting David's work AT ALL then you have some dark agenda, or ego issues.

I don't think czymra means that he's tuned out to love and wisdom or consciousness research, only that he doesn't trust DW to provide him with the roadmap. We all have holes that need filled, and we resonate with what brings us closer to equilibrium.
And Luminari...everyone is entitled to an opinion.
I'm curious as to why this discussion would give you the creeps. It seems to me that it's a pretty objective exchange of opinions about an increasingly influential individual. It might be good for Wilcock to stop by and read it.

EpiphaMe: It is DW's forum and he can act as overlordly as he wants, but in IMO, the stifling of all opinion that's not exactly like his own shows a different energetic polarity than he purports to be projecting though his investigative work. One wouldn't expect to find this the fine print of his forum rules.

It's good that tone3jaguar posted this here. We need as much transparency as possible around the information we receive. The days of spiritual leaders not walking the walk they talk is over. Humans have been dealing with that for thousands of years, and even though it's high time we finally learn to become our own saviors, there will always be people out front. It's not too much to demand that they be who they say they are.

[Luminari]

I don't think czymra means that he's tuned out to love and wisdom or consciousness research, only that he doesn't trust DW to provide him with the roadmap. We all have holes that need filled, and we resonate with what brings us closer to equilibrium.
And Luminari...everyone is entitled to an opinion.


DW is so positive and likable.. not to mention intelligent, apart from the crucial ascension point (which remains to be seen), I struggle to understand how any who is a member in a place such as this could have a negative super-sceptical view towards him. But the free will to feel that way is your choice. It will not get you anywhere. Good luck to you if you think it will.

"Everyone is entitled to an opinion" - they most certainly ARE NOT entitled to pass judgment about something or someone they know NOTHING about. That is just rude and offensive. You have the 'free will' to say such a silly remark but it will be at the sacrifice of your own credibility and others respect towards you.



Maybe you meant tying mainstream science into consciousness? I'd reluctantly give him the credit of cutting edge in this case.


Ok that is part of what I was getting at. Facilitating the synthesis of these ideas to a wider audience. Not exclusively of course but certainly in a coherent and enlightening way.
No I am not a cheerleader for DW's fanclub, but give the guy some credit.

Yes there are MANY others doing a similar thing, I think they are all doing the best they can. All a.s.s.h.o.l.e.s who think they can do a better job.. LETS SEE IT...PUNK. :lol3:

Its easy to be an internet smart ass and be negative about everything. :darthvader::gun_bandana: and THAT Sun-Toon is what was giving me the creeps if it wasn't completely obvious. You are one of those guys that has to have the last word aren't you? I look forward to the next exciting instalment of your witty banter.

L

[THE eXchanger]

WE ARE ALL IN THIS -- together

and, we need to cross promote each others work

biggest trouble is, there isn't a lot of that going on !!!

everyone is a avatar/avator in their own right

everyone has the onboard equipment - to do, to be,
and, yet, few realise,
this time of the lone wolf,
it truly is over !!!

there are solutions-you just need to mine for them

ironically, they are all inside of you !!!
and, can be made to expand

only YOU, can save yourself from YOU

oft times, we can be our own worst enenmy

perhaps, it is time, to all be, the best eXpressions, we can be !!!

[Humble Janitor]

I find it reassuring that many of you do mention the arrogance and the 'almost cult' feel about this. I have had the same notions and am staying well clear of David Wilcock for those reasons.
To me this is lessons how NOT to be a 'leader'.... or rather another pointer toward giving up completely on leading at all.

Jack, well noted on the frustration, I think that is in fact the real reason for his behaviour.

I don't get that feeling from David and I don't understand why something that happened on another forum is being discussed here. It could be resolved if you could contact David directly.

Regardless, we need to move away from gossiping and painting a negative picture of someone, since it's quite possible that David himself does not have time to keep an eye on his forums. From what he says, I do not think he's the kind of person who would openly tolerate such behavior from a moderator.

We are supposed to be moving into a new paradigm, one where we do not judge others based on superficial things, such as an internet forum, for example. It's hard to do but I have made friends with people here that I originally disagreed with. I had to drop my predisposition to arguing with anyone that countered my views on any given subject.

[Czymra]

I don't get that feeling from David and I don't understand why something that happened on another forum is being discussed here. It could be resolved if you could contact David directly.

Regardless, we need to move away from gossiping and painting a negative picture of someone, since it's quite possible that David himself does not have time to keep an eye on his forums. From what he says, I do not think he's the kind of person who would openly tolerate such behavior from a moderator.

We are supposed to be moving into a new paradigm, one where we do not judge others based on superficial things, such as an internet forum, for example. It's hard to do but I have made friends with people here that I originally disagreed with. I had to drop my predisposition to arguing with anyone that countered my views on any given subject.

I think that about sums it up... and indeed it's more noteworthy how we react toward something than what actually happened. Whether it's me throwing my 'anti DW fit' or Luminari doing his dance on the opposite end.

Dude, I'm not trying so say that I'm right and everybody follow me, I merely said that it's reassuring to hear some of my opinions mirrored even without me uttering them at first. Alright, maybe I shouldn't try having an opinion that is shared whatsoever, as that might be a proof for it being programmed, but at least I don't walk around believing I'm right with all I say.
If there can be 'disappointment but no surprise' at anything it's this bloody word twisting that is going on here with ever little finicky thing someone says just because someone has (inadvertently) managed to push your button.
I agree that one should do some research before judging anything, but I wasn't trying to judge David Wilcock on the base of his material. Much rather, I see that he's so positive on all sides that inherently attracts a specific kind of people which in my eyes are rather blind to the reality of things. That isn't to say that David is a cult leader, bans free will on his forum or anything else, even though I find it interesting that ANY group of a person NO MATTER HOW 'POSITIVE' gets the same sh*t followers.

I take in David's insight, gladly so, and I try to listen to what Bill Deagle has to say when he announces Armageddon, but don't let either get the best of me and I don't understand why ANYBODY would.
THAT to me is a sign of being in need of being lead (even though you can now attack me for being too afraid to let go of my own sovereignty and distance, have a go at it if you please.)

[Humble Janitor]

Exactly. Bits and pieces, much like a soup of truth or something like that. It's much more fun to put information together like a puzzle as the final result is more satifsying.

Go only with what resonates with you.

[tone3jaguar]

[QUOTE=Luminari;126987][SIZE="2"]

Ahem excuse me sir, you are not entitled to have an opinion.

Come back when youve actually studied some of the teachings.

"I see alot of arrogance and judgmental behaviour coming from Ramtha"

-that sounds more like what we are seeing from YOU lately.

Ramtha invented the word channeling. Dowse that.



I have seen the movie based off of Ramtha's teachings multiple times. Most people do not realize that "What the Bleep" was all about Ramtha channeled info. JZ Night was channeling Ramtha in one of the scenes in that movie. She looked almost as if she was possessed and she was going off about how arrogant man kind was and how dare we such and such. That is judgmental arrogant behavior from Ramtha as far as I am concerned. If I see behavior like that from a spirit of any kind it throws up red flags that I personally should steer away from it.

When you see an individual channel a fully ascended being there is none of this rediculous emotion charged behind the voice. It is calm and clear and all inclusive. I personally choose not to allow any entity to speak through me even though I have that ability. This is a result of having accidentally channeled a negative ET 12 years ago before I even had a clue about anything spiritual.

As far as me having judgemental behavior, that is not comming from me in this thread. There are others in this thread who have turned it into a judge and bash David Wilcock festival which I did not want to turn it into. I respect David and all of his efforts and do not believe for one second that he in any way wishes to become a cult leader. That is not what this is about. This was about the hard core attitudes of the mods of that forum that have been getting more and more distorted the more famous David becomes.

Instead of just simply enforcing the rules that David made for the forum which would be completely understandable and ethical, they are acting as if they are the protectors of David Wilcock's personal paradigm. When I first joined the forum over there about 1.5 years ago this was not the case. If you tried to post something against the rules they would just kick it back and say "that is against the rules". That is not simply what happened here.

The moderator over there that first kicked this post back to me wrote this in the pm. This is a cut and paste from it

"As you again seem to imply that you are a channeler of higher density intelligence, I wonder if you are implying some added weight to your suppositions regarding the concept of a universe-wide event being tied in with DW's statements regarding successive waves of harvest/ascension. Please see the forum rules for insight into our policies regarding channeled information in general."

I had stated that I had recently abandoned my career in golf maintenace so that I could stop being all cloak and dagger when it comes to my spiritual work at the top of the post. Then before I had gone into the idea that I had about one possible interpretation of the channeling I clearly stated "this is just an idea, it is an opinion and should not be taken as truth."

This was the first time that I had ever tried to propose the idea of a universe wide dimension shift to the readers of that forum. Even so, he had this to say as part of the original pm as well.

"In our previous messaging I have painstakingly informed you of the moderators deliberations and consensus as regards the notion of a universe wide event, and why we feel it is not appropriate for our ascension discussions. We do not judge this material as to it's inherent truthfulness, only as to it's appropriateness as to our discussions of our current experiences with planetary and personal evolution."

What is rediculous is that I had never gotten any messages from him about this nor had I ever tried to post up about it before either.

He ended the original PM about the post kick back with this comment.

"Please be advised that it is our view that the introduction of this theory to our discussion of the possible events surrounding the 2012 window may serve to cause confusion amongst the members."

He is basically stating here that he is deciding for the readers of those forums what they can or can not handle learning about. That has nothing to do with their rules. That is unessesary censorship by an individual who thinks he should decide for other people what is best for them to learn about. This is what got my fuse lit with them.

[sun-toon´]

Its easy to be an internet smart ass and be negative about everything and THAT Sun-Toon is what was giving me the creeps if it wasn't completely obvious. You are one of those guys that has to have the last word aren't you? I look forward to the next exciting instalment of your witty banter.

Pretty funny Luminari. Where did you learn your debating techniques? To up the ante should I say "only a fool would respond to this statement"...then make derogatory remarks about you?

I don't understand why something that happened on another forum is being discussed here. It could be resolved if you could contact David directly.

I didn't weigh in on him in this thread because of tone3jaguar's forum problem, but because it was illuminating to what I already get from David. I'm interested in what others see there, because I'm conflicted in my own opinion of him. I'm not so skeptical of his information, but I shake my head at how he broadcasts and markets his presumptions about himself. Maybe it seems too easy to take pot shots at someone from another forum, but I'd be willing to say anything I've said here to his face.

DW is so positive and likable.. not to mention intelligent, apart from the crucial ascension point (which remains to be seen), I struggle to understand how any who is a member in a place such as this could have a negative super-sceptical view towards him. But the free will to feel that way is your choice. It will not get you anywhere. Good luck to you if you think it will.

DW is positive and likable, but his ego really does get in the way of his message. I do see him as a person who may be on the way to becoming a cult leader...though maybe that's too strong a term....more of a rock star of some sort, and he's leading his own charge down that road.

It's not just me. I've liberally shared his interviews, I have them up on my website, I send them to friends, and a significant percentage of the reactions are "what's up with him and the ego thing". Then I argue in defense of David and say that it must be because he's kind of young and in the spotlight, so he isn't able to see clearly how he comes off.

If he works for you and it's so wonderful that you can no fault there, all I can say is go for it. But...this has been an objective discussion. You love him, some don't like him, others are having trouble separating his personality from his message. It's a positive exchange. If you find it creepy because it threatens your religious fervor...well sorry.
Instead of taking offense, you could make an effort to understand why some of us see DW differently than you do, then take a look through that alternative facet of reality. Maybe, if you saw what we do, you could provide some better understanding for us and a positive and supportive PoV that takes other observations into account, yet balances the equation.

This is why it's a forum and not a bulletin board (though I think some people wish it was the other way around). We're drowning in mystery here and it's become life threatening both to ourselves and to the whole planet. We have to be able to express and exchange all points of view if we're going to sort it out.

[Luminari]

Tone3Jaguar
Czymra
Sun-Toon..

Im going to take a chill-pill. There's some Orion influence going on and intense energy at the moment.

I know I can be a bit dramatic and intense.

Its not my job to be the defender of the universe (or is it?)

If you want to look for the worst in great wise loving entitees such as

David Wilcock/Edgar Cayce

Ramtha the enlightened one

Or anyone else I respect and look up to,
I guess theres nothing I can do so I'll stop giving you a hard time.

Re: What the bleep & Ramtha.. yeah that was the first time I saw JZ Knight/Ramtha too, only a few years ago. Honestly I wasn't impressed either and was sceptical.
It wasn't until James Gilliland said he contacted Ramtha during a meditation (to see if he was real) and asked him 3 questions..
When he saw JZ Knight channel Ramtha in front of a large audience shortly after that Ramtha came out looked him in the eye and answered his 3 questions.

I thought there might be something to this.. intuitively ordered 'The White Book' from amazon and was blown away it was dynamite. It was probably the best book ive ever read.. and I read alot.

A couple of years later and Im still listening to this seemingly neverending stream of profound wisdom (different audio presentations) that resonates very strongly.
It is not dogmatic though.. nothing like a sect/cult, its the antithesis of religion.
Its called a 'School' .. of enlightenment.
Advanced students have actually teleported, and manifested tangible objects.. there are powers you can develop. Life is much more amazing than we have been told. We are all Gods.


I don't like all the control dramas either and bad energy.. I know I have been defensive and added to it myself lately, not cool.

Pressing the reset button.

[dolphin]

hey everyone please checkout PEGGY KANE, she does reverse speech analysis to find the "truth" of one's talk, speech.

she's found david wilcock, wingmaker's,and michael st. clair to be either manipulated or complete frauds!!!

quoting what she wrote:
Wingmakers, Beautiful Deception.
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/category/channeling/

David Wilcock Tells Us In Reverse That He Is a Fraud
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/category/psychics-mediums/

I had reversed David Wilcock some time ago when he was on Coast to Coast. He claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce and presented his case to Noory. I knew from listening in reverse that he was not truthful. I didn’t keep those files.
BTW, Others here have also reversed David and to my [...]

[Luminari]

hey everyone please checkout PEGGY KANE, she does reverse speech analysis to find the "truth" of one's talk, speech.

she's found david wilcock, wingmaker's,and michael st. clair to be either manipulated or complete frauds!!!

quoting what she wrote:
Wingmakers, Beautiful Deception.
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/category/channeling/

David Wilcock Tells Us In Reverse That He Is a Fraud
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/category/psychics-mediums/

I had reversed David Wilcock some time ago when he was on Coast to Coast. He claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce and presented his case to Noory. I knew from listening in reverse that he was not truthful. I didn’t keep those files.
BTW, Others here have also reversed David and to my [...]

I am being tested here right...? Ok ill be nice.

I listened to them all.. very funny, the funniest one was still the first one.

Did you people of avalon know that when DW says:

"..and this guy walks past, kind of looks like a harley guy, like a biker.."

He actually says in reverse: I'll get some whacky sex ?

and when he says: "..Pop the seat up.."

he is actually saying in reverse ".. I eat some pot" ?

The bits where he apparently admits to being a fraud are even more ambiguous and vague and are mixed in with such gems as

"Erased as the Owl was shipped" and "Going to make it, blood and the Owl take it"...

You post this stuff here as "evidence he's a complete fraud!!"

Thanks for the link, I really enjoyed it.

Definately evidence of something.. that Peggy Kane has alot of free time.

[tone3jaguar]

That reverse speech stuff is as convoluted as bible code is. "Hey look there is a cloud that looks like jesus, that must be jesus."

[sun-toon´]

I am being tested here right...?

....as are we all, Luminari. :>)
I think we're experiencing a particularly chaotic full moon energy, and it's not just here, but on other internet exchanges and in the meat world as well. I've also had other people bring it up to me in the last couple days.


I listened to them all.. very funny, the funniest one was still the first one.
Did you people of avalon know that when DW says:
"..and this guy walks past, kind of looks like a harley guy, like a biker.."
He actually says in reverse: I'll get some whacky sex

I agree with you guys on the reverse speech stuff. I sure wouldn't appreciate having to defend whatever my dialog says when played backwards. It's difficult enough to produce clear and direct speech, with focused intent behind it, that isn't in some way misconstrued.

So...if somebody else, of a totally different spiritual makeup were to say the same line DW said about the harley guy, would it say something else in reverse? Are there lines we simply cannot say without implying a taste for weird sex, dope, or an allegiance with satan? What if they played a reading of the bible backwards, would we then be able to understand the true intent of Yahweh? Maybe there's something to it, but it seems like woo-hoo on top of woo-hoo to me...too far from any rational grounding.
(No offense meant here dolphin...it is interesting.)

[Luminari]

Are there lines we simply cannot say without implying a taste for weird sex, dope, or an allegiance with satan?

:lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

[mu2143]

It is very simple, all the rules written on pice of paper is dictating what to do.
As soon as some one comes around and it is telling you that you do not follow the Forum rules is a Dictator.

You KNOW what is right and WRONG by hart. It is written in the flesh.

The Law of one, there is some wrong with it. If you read it carefully you can see it, that it is deceiving. The truth is simple, any one who reads it should able to understand it other wise it is confusing and that is what the PTB want.

How in the hell are you going to warn people that if they continue this way that there will be destruction without being negitive. Here is the tricky one, the receiver YOU can ether perceive it as Negitive or Positive.

You have to be fearless other wise your in trouble. Fear = no light <-> Light = Love

Fearless = Love ; get it!

Freedom of speech is any speech other wise i'm not free!!!!!

[tone3jaguar]

Re: What the bleep & Ramtha.. yeah that was the first time I saw JZ Knight/Ramtha too, only a few years ago. Honestly I wasn't impressed either and was sceptical.
It wasn't until James Gilliland said he contacted Ramtha during a meditation (to see if he was real) and asked him 3 questions..
When he saw JZ Knight channel Ramtha in front of a large audience shortly after that Ramtha came out looked him in the eye and answered his 3 questions.

I thought there might be something to this.. intuitively ordered 'The White Book' from amazon and was blown away it was dynamite. It was probably the best book ive ever read.. and I read alot.

A couple of years later and Im still listening to this seemingly neverending stream of profound wisdom (different audio presentations) that resonates very strongly.
It is not dogmatic though.. nothing like a sect/cult, its the antithesis of religion.
Its called a 'School' .. of enlightenment.
Advanced students have actually teleported, and manifested tangible objects.. there are powers you can develop. Life is much more amazing than we have been told. We are all Gods.


Second Rant on Distortions of Truth :wall:

Well it is like I originally stated. An entity like Ramtha will give you mostly truth with some disinformation. I actually did not originally have a problem with the content "What the Bleep". I actually bought a copy of it and ended up renting "What the Bleep down the rabbit hole". The reason that I have a problem with it now is because the hole presentation of that movie was deceptive. I was only able to figure this out after I had done more research into theories of quantum physics and astro physics.

The scientists they had in that film where all ****** after they saw the final cut. They where ****** because their comments had been taken out of context in order to back up Ramtha's distorted version of their field of science. Most of the information in that movie is very useful. However, they made some huge deceptive errors and conclusions based off of what Ramtha had to say about the nature of reality.

The deception was when they made the transition from talking about the ways individual particles behave to the way our large scale multi particle reality works. They where totally dead on when they where describing the slit test and how the electrons go into a wave state when they are not being observed. However, they where totally off and wrong to tell people that the entire material world acts just like these individual particles do.

The scenes they had in that movie when they where talking about the entire world going into superposition simply because us humans stop focusing on it was wrong. That leads an individual to believe that they are the only thing in their reality that is actually real. This leads the individual towards being in paradigm where only what they want and think matters. Guess what, if you fall for this you have just opened yourself up to negative influence from the negative ET's. You have just been tricked into service to self consciousness. Is that not the hallmark of the "Orion Group"?

This is where the Ramtha info keeps you from ever knowing the total truth. If you buy into that type of paradigm you never have the opportunity to learn about the powerful consciousness of nature. We are not the only consciousnesses that decide how reality is structured. Ramtha would have you believe that not only will a tree not make a sound when if falls and no human is around to hear it. Ramtha would have you believe that the tree does not exist until you look at the forest. That is rediculous. Granted we live in a highly structured holographic type of reality. However, we are the Co Creators of this reality. The higher dimensions and the creator of all that is contribute as much or more than we do to the structure of every thing.

End of Second Rant on Distortions of Truth:wall:

[sun-toon´]

Granted we live in a highly structured holographic type of reality. However, we are the Co Creators of this reality. The higher dimensions and the creator of all that contribute as much or more than we do to the structure of every thing.

And I'd like to add that this is exactly what's lacking in The Secret as well. That is, the principle of co-creation as opposed to subjective creation. Not only does the prime creator contribute, but so does every other being in this realm, and especially Earth itself.

[alyscat]

You write:
The scientists they had in that film where all ****** after they saw the final cut. endquote

Actually, there was only one scientist in the film who objected, as I recall, and his comments were actually published in an interview in the down the rabbit hole version.

You have now, yourself, distorted the truth.

Whether Ramtha is your teacher or not (and obviously not since your understanding of his teachings don't encompass what is actually taught at RSE, only what you saw in the film), Ramtha has never claimed to be everyone's teacher, nor has he wanted to be everyone's teacher.

Alys




Second Rant on Distortions of Truth :wall:

Well it is like I originally stated. An entity like Ramtha will give you mostly truth with some disinformation. I actually did not originally have a problem with the content "What the Bleep". I actually bought a copy of it and ended up renting "What the Bleep down the rabbit hole". The reason that I have a problem with it now is because the hole presentation of that movie was deceptive. I was only able to figure this out after I had done more research into theories of quantum physics and astro physics.

The scientists they had in that film where all ****** after they saw the final cut. They where ****** because their comments had been taken out of context in order to back up Ramtha's distorted version of their field of science. Most of the information in that movie is very useful. However, they made some huge deceptive errors and conclusions based off of what Ramtha had to say about the nature of reality.

The deception was when they made the transition from talking about the ways individual particles behave to the way our large scale multi particle reality works. They where totally dead on when they where describing the slit test and how the electrons go into a wave state when they are not being observed. However, they where totally off and wrong to tell people that the entire material world acts just like these individual particles do.

The scenes they had in that movie when they where talking about the entire world going into superposition simply because us humans stop focusing on it was wrong. That leads an individual to believe that they are the only thing in their reality that is actually real. This leads the individual towards being in paradigm where only what they want and think matters. Guess what, if you fall for this you have just opened yourself up to negative influence from the negative ET's. You have just been tricked into service to self consciousness. Is that not the hallmark of the "Orion Group"?

This is where the Ramtha info keeps you from ever knowing the total truth. If you buy into that type of paradigm you never have the opportunity to learn about the powerful consciousness of nature. We are not the only consciousnesses that decide how reality is structured. Ramtha would have you believe that not only will a tree not make a sound when if falls and no human is around to hear it. Ramtha would have you believe that the tree does not exist until you look at the forest. That is rediculous. Granted we live in a highly structured holographic type of reality. However, we are the Co Creators of this reality. The higher dimensions and the creator of all that is contribute as much or more than we do to the structure of every thing.

End of Second Rant on Distortions of Truth:wall:

[Luminari]

I can see you are convinced you are some sort of authority on science and spirituality.. and everyone else has it wrong.

Your nit-picking knows no bounds.

You live in the distortion of separation. If you were mature enough to just take the 'best' from everything you could stop the endless semantics and smashing of paradigms and systems together to fit your tunnel vision.

I would love to help you understand things Tone but I can't do the work for you.

I know all about being "service-to-self" I was a heavy metal 'rockstar' in melbourne back until 1999 who was under intense orion-bombardment.

Thats how I can contrast with who I am now and commitment to being a helpful and inspirational influence to all who cross my path.
Our dialogue still qualifies as 'tough love' as I still want the best for you otherwise I would not even look at this thread.

Who even cares about What the Bleep? the world has changed alot since 2005. That film is not a representation of barely any Ramtha's teachings any way. So give up the slandering based on a false premise.

Nassim Haramein would say your understanding of quantum physics is bunk anyway.

[tone3jaguar]

[COLOR="Cyan"][SIZE="2"]I can see you are convinced you are some sort of authority on science and spirituality.. and everyone else has it wrong.

Your nit-picking knows no bounds.

So a couple of mods on another forum and a supposed ancient warrior from another planet or something is everyone? Man you totally got me. Good job.

I am not an authority on either. My understandings of reality are not from books or teachers. They are from first hand experience. I have been though the school of hard knocks and come to my own conclusions instead of allowing someone else form my paradigm for me. I am an authority on my personal paradigm and i am not afraid to share it with people weather they like it or not. I am not here to make people feel warm and fuzzy. I am here to dispel negativity and unethical behavior from the earth. I have shared on this forum about 3 percent of my total hard core personal experiences with both the darkest of the dark side and most divine of the light.

Perhaps you did not catch the title and post title of the posts where it said RANT? No one has got a gun to your head forcing you to read what I have posted after that. If i thought it was going to fall softly on everyones ears I would have not put the word RANT in the title of the thread. Its my thread, I will say what ever I feel like saying in it. Its a free forum.

You live in the distortion of separation. If you were mature enough to just take the 'best' from everything you could stop the endless semantics and smashing of paradigms and systems together to fit your tunnel vision.


Oh man, you totally got me again. I am living in separation. And I am immature. That cuts deep. Take it back. I know you are but what am I.

I would love to help you understand things Tone but I can't do the work for you.

Oh no, please teach me all you know. I was hoping that you would be my mentor. Oh what, I forgot. I am not entitled to have an opinion. You are right man you are totally there and I am lost. Please help me.:lmfao:

I know all about being "service-to-self" I was a heavy metal 'rockstar' in melbourne back until 1999 who was under intense orion-bombardment.

Thats how I can contrast with who I am now and commitment to being a helpful and inspirational influence to all who cross my path.
Our dialogue still qualifies as 'tough love' as I still want the best for you otherwise I would not even look at this thread.

You are totally helping me with all of your commands and patronizing comments about my level of attunement, good job.

Who even cares about What the Bleep? the world has changed alot since 2005. That film is not a representation of barely any Ramtha's teachings any way. So give up the slandering based on a false premise.


Well if they did not want that movie to be thier calling card then why did they make it thier calling card?
[QUOTE]Nassim Haramein would say your understanding of quantum physics is bunk anyway.


I dont really care, I am not a scientist. I am an alchemist.

[avyaktam]

There we go again.:gun_bandana::bash::fish::raygun::hammer::ar gue::starwars::mf_popeanim::mf_swordfight:

[recallone]

There we go again.:gun_bandana::bash::fish::raygun::hammer::ar gue::starwars::mf_popeanim::mf_swordfight:

Nice. :thumb_yello: :lol3: Indeed. "I'm right, you're wrong" is what's wrong. Let go of . . . everything. The need to be right, yesterday's truth, yesterday's concepts - it's all bull$hit. Attachment to it causes the problems.
Anybody ever hear of holy wars? :nono:

[Luminari]

http://Luminari.fileave.com/113relax.jpg

[dolphin]

I am being tested here right...? Ok ill be nice.

I listened to them all.. very funny, the funniest one was still the first one.

Did you people of avalon know that when DW says:

"..and this guy walks past, kind of looks like a harley guy, like a biker.."

He actually says in reverse: I'll get some whacky sex ?

and when he says: "..Pop the seat up.."

he is actually saying in reverse ".. I eat some pot" ?

The bits where he apparently admits to being a fraud are even more ambiguous and vague and are mixed in with such gems as

"Erased as the Owl was shipped" and "Going to make it, blood and the Owl take it"...

You post this stuff here as "evidence he's a complete fraud!!"

Thanks for the link, I really enjoyed it.

Definately evidence of something.. that Peggy Kane has alot of free time.

BEFORE you make fun of this methodology, i think you should first listen in entirety peggy kane's interviews:
Peggy Kane, Ufo hypothesis, Volume 1 and 2 (both alex collier and hoagland are in it, vol 2.)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=692524212659068187

bec. just getting the snippets doesn't make sense to someone who is not familiar w this.

[Humble Janitor]

hey everyone please checkout PEGGY KANE, she does reverse speech analysis to find the "truth" of one's talk, speech.

she's found david wilcock, wingmaker's,and michael st. clair to be either manipulated or complete frauds!!!

quoting what she wrote:
Wingmakers, Beautiful Deception.
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/category/channeling/

David Wilcock Tells Us In Reverse That He Is a Fraud
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/category/psychics-mediums/

I had reversed David Wilcock some time ago when he was on Coast to Coast. He claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce and presented his case to Noory. I knew from listening in reverse that he was not truthful. I didn’t keep those files.
BTW, Others here have also reversed David and to my [...]

How do we know that Peggy Kane isn't full of ****?

[recallone]

Dolphin, I can't speak for anyone other than myself concerning the reverse speaking subject, but I'd like to share a few thoughts with you.

In the 80's there was a push to blame heavy metal bands for a handfull of suicides. It was dismissed then for the same reasons it is now. It's too great a stretch to link them together. Like luminari pointed out, the things they find in these recordings are so vague and inconclusive that it really demands a big imagination on the part of the listener.

What really struck me as suspicious when I first looked into this myself, is the fact that they're using the very strings of division that organized religion (specifically; Christianity) has employed for centuries...i.e. accusations about homosexuality, etc. I don't consider homosexuals to be evil. I don't consider those who choose to use drugs evil. I consider all of those people to be extensions of ME. The more I tear away the programming that seeks to divide us from one another with labels and titles, the more I question ANY source who would seek to enforce that division. ESPECIALLY when the labels they're trying to assign and discredit with are the very labels that Christianity has touted for years as 'abominations'. I'm sorry, but I just can't buy into that division anymore.

Anyone, any thing, any process that would encourage a sense of separation is immediately suspect in my mind. Above the cerebral analysis, however is the vibrational impression. When I first visited Peggy's site, I was immediately assaulted with a poisonous energy that I knew was not right. I had a headache within minutes and had to get away. Some time later, I revisited the site to confirm that it was the site and not something else. It was. I forced myself to stay and investigate because someone I care about asked me to look into it and give them my honest opinion. I'll tell you what I told him. It's poison. Plain and simple. If it divides, then it doesn't belong. Truth unites. Division weakens. Ever seen the strength test for the whole Catholic crossing in front of the person? Individually, we're weaker when our energy is split. Collectively, we're weaker when we endorse the false notion that some people are more deserving of love and light than others - that we're not connected to one another. We are. Just scrutinize your own vibration when these different ideas play out in your mind.

Love everything and everybody, unconditionally. Feel your connection to all of it...
Now, how does that feel?

By comparison, embrace that programmed contempt for whatever group you've been programmed to despise.
Now, how does that feel?

Which one resonates? Which feeling feels more like home? Dismiss the teachings of your religion that were designed to make up your mind for you, and acknowledge your inherent divinity in deciphering truth from lies.

Humbly offered,
recallone

[burgundia]

There we go again.:gun_bandana::bash::fish::raygun::hammer::ar gue::starwars::mf_popeanim::mf_swordfight:

This is one of the best posts i have ever read!:roll1::roll1: