Government of Isreal

[Humble Janitor]

Just someting that crossed my mind, especially when certain members started harping up on the jew-bashing of Alex Jones' wife as a way of slandering him.

I have no problems with Jewish people. I just dislike the government of Israel.

Again, just a question. We have to be careful not to fall into a trap of lumping the actions of a few with the whole.

[777 The Great Work]

Just someting that crossed my mind, especially when certain members started harping up on the jew-bashing of Alex Jones' wife as a way of slandering him.

I have no problems with Jewish people. I just dislike the government of Israel.

Again, just a question. We have to be careful not to fall into a trap of lumping the actions of a few with the whole.

This Hj is one of the biggest lies on the planet. There never ever was a race of people called Jews. Jew was a term associated with anyone who had awakened their concsiousness. The Gentiles are the ones not yet spiritualized. There is no j in the hebrew alphabet. Jew is JW or 33.

The place called Israel was known as the land of Canan.
Israel comes from the mystery school teachings of ISIS, RA and EL which means, mother, father, God ,or the androgynous nature of the divine.

Don't take my word for it ,do the research.
:thumb_yello:

[Dominic]

I posted the thread on Jones to expose to people that things are not always as they appear. It seemed to work I helped to awaken people when they relize that the news is not the news anyways. and there is no truth to exposing the fake headlies.
He got awfully mad when the pressure was applied and blew his cool, for what purpose??

Read the headlies and laugh then connect the dots That is what I do.

Peace brother

[Humble Janitor]

This Hj is one of the biggest lies on the planet. There never ever was a race of people called Jews. Jew was a term associated with anyone who had awakened their concsiousness. The Gentiles are the ones not yet spiritualized. There is no j in the hebrew alphabet. Jew is JW or 33.

The place called Israel was known as the land of Canan.
Israel comes from the mystery school teachings of ISIS, RA and EL which means, mother, father, God ,or the androgynous nature of the divine.

Don't take my word for it ,do the research.
:thumb_yello:

Yes, but this does not answer my question.

I'm not looking for semantics here.

I'm asking if there is genuine hatred towards those who call themselves Jews?

[burgundia]

hatred is a very strong term. I doubt anybody here hates any jews or any other nation or religion. They may disapprove of certain things, sometimes dislike, but not hate.

[Czymra]

Yes, but this does not answer my question.

I'm not looking for semantics here.

I'm asking if there is genuine hatred towards those who call themselves Jews?

My guess is that there is some serious business going in making people hate Jews... especially considering what 777 said. In that context the question is kinda off. Is there hate, or is there just a lot of hate mongering?

[Northern Boy]

Jews are not hated at all I feel that those who wish to control and manipulate the worlds population are linked to Zionists who believe they are gods chosen people when in effect we all are . During the Gaza conflict clearly several Jewish people spoke out and demonstrated against what the Israeli military and government were doing . Those are the real Jewish people in my opinion not the ones trying to control .

[Baggywrinkle]

No.



A question in counterpoint. Does Avalon hate Christians?

Deah vo unni sinda is unnich eich,
loss een da eahst shtay shmeisa

[Czymra]

Deah vo unni sinda is unnich eich,
loss een da eahst shtay shmeisa


Sorry but I have to mention this here, I'm always flabberghasted by how similar Yiddish is to German. Go figure...

Der wo ohne Suende ist unter euch,
lasst ihn den ersten Stein schmeissen.

[Tarliam]

i disagree with some of the policies of the israeli government but ,i think they are a wonderful people as ethnicity like anywhere else a few bad apples can spoil the pie, just like the American whites treatment of African Americans and natives Americans i find criminal but to hate the whole group for the few is just as bad my opinion

[Myplanet2]

interesting question, and interesting answers.

My answer, is that I can't answer the question as posed.

The "jewish" thing going on on this planet is very "layered", in my perception.

The strongest aspect I see associated with it is "manipulation".

It either is at, or it serves somebodies' agenda to have it perceived as at, the center of the conflicts currently being played out.

That to me looks like subterfuge. Although enough players have now bought into the notion that Jews, or jewishness, is at the heart of many of the problems on earth. I can only "see that" from the level of the playing field (or battle field?)

It looks like just another intentional misdirection, although a very "solid" one by now, as it's been in play for quite a while, and has managed to keep so much of the truth about what's actually going on hidden from normal view.

Do people hate jews? Maybe some do, or think they do. A better question from my perspective might be "Are people manipulated into creating strife?" .

[Tarliam]

interesting question, and interesting answers.

My answer, is that I can't answer the question as posed.

The "jewish" thing going on on this planet is very "layered", in my perception.

The strongest aspect I see associated with it is "manipulation".

It either is at, or it serves somebodies' agenda to have it perceived as at, the center of the conflicts currently being played out.

That to me looks like subterfuge. Although enough players have now bought into the notion that Jews, or jewishness, is at the heart of many of the problems on earth. I can only "see that" from the level of the playing field (or battle field?)

It looks like just another intentional misdirection, although a very "solid" one by now, as it's been in play for quite a while, and has managed to keep so much of the truth about what's actually going on hidden from normal view.

Do people hate jews? Maybe some do, or think they do. A better question from my perspective might be "Are people manipulated into creating strife?" .

my short answer to your question i do believe people are manipulated to cause strife

[THE eXchanger]

why do real jews - NOT like zionists / and, say they are NOT real jews ???

[JesterTerrestrial]

Love to all...especially those evil folks working in the dark against their fellow man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzx2LGbMxiY)...they need it the most. :wub2:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=776&stc=1&d=1239375052


Truth?! I don't know. Its my first day. JT


The Difference Between Jews and Zionists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuAPaKywuLA

Who is antisemites? Who are they.
Zionist comes from ashkanzie jews (FALSE JEWS)
They are descendants of the Kazar barbarians who had a satanic cult.They still do.
They were pushed out of the Kazar area which is today's Georgia, Turkey near the Black Sea
These Kazars decided to adopt the hebrew alphabet and also now speak Yiddish to simulate the Jewish religion judaisaim.
They are professional liars.
They kazar king which was called a shaman was a real barbarian and made slaves from all the good people people around.
They would sign a pact of inagression and as soon as the people of the other country would fall asleep insecurity they would kill everybody, rape the wives, set the houses on fire and leave with slaves. The country would not exist anymore. They did that many times. After awhile the christian orthodox on the south and north were getting more powerful.

The shaman decided to hide and be disguised as jews (FALSE JEWS).
In 748 A.D.
they have absolutely genetic denominators with the real Semite Jews. The descendants Israel tribes.

They disguised as jews so they would not have trouble with the north and the south. Eventually Ganus Kahn pushed them out. They then moved to what is now poland and germany. These are the ashkanazi jews that is the worst false jew on earth. They still speak yiddish.

If you look on youtube you will find that they hold all the medias. form the history books to the war video games. Which are intended for hypnotizing people to create war between us. To create violence.

Rothchild was one of the most active guys at developing zionisam. He was the original source of the protocols of zion. The devils bible. They state that they are with the serpent. Read it for yourself and you will not have any more questions.

It will explain to you all what you cannot explain about the crazy world we are in. About the wars the money the food shortage.

Rothschild created just about every war and revolution since the 1700. If you look at who are these ashkanizi jews. Kissinger, Rumsfeild, Rockafellers and all the people that are controlling the media hypnotizing people. They also own the Federal reserve. The government of the U.S. dose not print its own money since 1930.
The protocols of zion existied in several differnet forms since at least the 1700's and were into their final form/shape in 1897 the year of the first zionist world congress where the organizers predicted the creating of the creation Israel state with one year of accuracy. These guys know what they are doing. They work at this undercover they all act as if they are in the right dirction. They meet at their FALSE Jewish meetings. Most of their council on forigen relationships is either Free Masons or Zionists. Zionist control Free Masonary, Skull and Bones, the Builderberg Group.

[Baggywrinkle]

Sorry but I have to mention this here, I'm always flabberghasted by how similar Yiddish is to German. Go figure...

Der wo ohne Suende ist unter euch,
lasst ihn den ersten Stein schmeissen.


:woot_jump::groupwave::groupwave::woot_jump:

Houston we have contact.

shhh....ruich bleiwscht

[THE eXchanger]

what israel don't want you to see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYuWOi56Wq0&feature=related


plus they stole the energies of
is - isis
ra
and, el - elohim
and, used it, in their name

[THE eXchanger]

what others have to say about jews

part 1 of 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIQbe9ATUNU&feature=related

[THE eXchanger]

part 2 of 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoeOVpC0O0w&feature=related

[777 The Great Work]

HJ i was just trying to aid with the bigger picture. Like Czyrma stated, we have been taught to hate or dislike our fellow man based suppresion of knowledge and conditioning.

The Hebrews Were the Hibiru tribe out of Ethiopia ,which means burnt face. So the whole construct was based on hate and racism from the beginning. Anything to block the masses from sprituality, with these seperatist ideas.

A Zionist is another seperatist group claiming an androgynous state of mind. I on Zero point ,the feminine, and On is angram for the Sun.

Below are some phrases from the book of Revelations, that have been removed fom all new bibles.


Revelations 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

Revelations 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."




We communicate every day across time and space, without seeing any faces,knowing anyone's race, or social status, because its irrelevant. We've been taught that these things are important. This type of thinking keeps us in our heads and away from our hearts.

:original:

[dagon]

No.



A question in counterpoint. Does Avalon hate Christians?

Deah vo unni sinda is unnich eich,
loss een da eahst shtay shmeisa



I think rabbit is on the menu this weekend. LOL!!!



hate is a strong word. I try to stay away from that feeling. I have a dislike for organized religion. and I have no hate for people. I dislike what were doing on the planet. I dislike world politics. its rotten to the core. I find the question political not spiritual. we know what we have been told. hate is learned behavior. and is used to divide us. just like organized religion.

[THE eXchanger]

part 3 of 3

what others have to say about jews



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGWumOKHr6Q&feature=relate


love/susan (the eXchanger)

www.pyrabang.com/go/workingwonders -- get banging !!!

[Humble Janitor]

Love to all...especially those evil folks working in the dark against their fellow man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzx2LGbMxiY)...they need it the most. :wub2:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=776&stc=1&d=1239375052


Truth?! I don't know. Its my first day. JT

There's a lot of typos in that statement you posted. Otherwise, it's interesting.

Honesty is appreciated here.

[Baggywrinkle]

I think rabbit is on the menu this weekend. LOL!!!



hate is a strong word. I try to stay away from that feeling. I have a dislike for organized religion. and I have no hate for people. I dislike what were doing on the planet. I dislike world politics. its rotten to the core. I find the question political not spiritual. we know what we have been told. hate is learned behavior. and is used to divide us. just like organized religion.

What a relief!, then we abuse everyone equally and are EEO compliant.

un shmeist naett eiyah keshtlichi sacha zu di sei, shunsht doon si's fadredda
mitt di fees un no rumm drayya un eich fareisa

[Dantheman62]

http://projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=535&pictureid=6478

[oldpaganfreak]

the concensus here seems obvious.
no, avalon does not hates jews (or christians, for that matter, bw :) )
i certainly don't hate jews, but i have a strong distrust and suspicion of the motives of zionists.
the jews are not a race, they're a religion. period.
as such, they certainly have no 'god given' right to a country, especially when that country is on stolen territory.

and i'd sure like to know what kind of hold israel has over the canadian government.
why does canada blindly and studidly allow israel to run rough shod over anyone else?
for instance, recently, canada would not allow gallagher into canada. he was waiting in washington for the okay to enter. canada is more vehement about defending israel than even the u.s..

so what's up with this?? anyone got any ideas??

[Baggywrinkle]

the concensus here seems obvious.
no, avalon does not hates jews (or christians, for that matter, bw :) )
i certainly don't hate jews, but i have a strong distrust and suspicion of the motives of zionists.
the jews are not a race, they're a religion. period.
as such, they certainly have no 'god given' right to a country, especially when that country is on stolen territory.

and i'd sure like to know what kind of hold israel has over the canadian government.
why does canada blindly and studidly allow israel to run rough shod over anyone else?
for instance, recently, canada would not allow gallagher into canada. he was waiting in washington for the okay to enter. canada is more vehement about defending israel than even the u.s..

so what's up with this?? anyone got any ideas??

The problem is we are tresspassing on someone elses planet, unless we
want to be chattel. That IS how we are viewed. Goyem!

Jews? Zionists? Wasps? Jesuits? Does it matter? They are killing you with
their greed and lust for power. Useless eaters.

I have an idea that bible prophecy is not prophecy at all. It is a deep
understanding of the nature of man. Destroyed almost to extinction we
will rebuild, greed and lust will prevail bringing us to exactly where we
are closing the circle once again. We believe we are better and different.
We believe we have free will - and we do. Yet we are compelled to express
our nature. Like my chickens in the barnyard, they just do what they do.
Exactly as their ancestors have always done it.

It is just an idea. Allowing you the benefit of doubt that we can
change our condition it must be remembered: you are not enlightened until
everyone is enlightened. If there is one greedy sod with power lust, he
will rule the world and hold the rest of you back from the ascension that
you thirst for. Why is this so? According to the new age doctrine there is
only one. Look into his eyes and you will see yourself.

Put that in your pipe and schmok it!

[dagon]

What a relief!, then we abuse everyone equally and are EEO compliant.

un shmeist naett eiyah keshtlichi sacha zu di sei, shunsht doon si's fadredda
mitt di fees un no rumm drayya un eich fareisa


so im told...

http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=music.artistalbums&artistid=17609682&ap=0&albumid=10271321
play first song.

[oldpaganfreak]

It is just an idea. Allowing you the benefit of doubt that we can
change our condition it must be remembered: you are not enlightened until
everyone is enlightened. If there is one greedy sod with power lust, he
will rule the world and hold the rest of you back from the ascension that
you thirst for. Why is this so? According to the new age doctrine there is
only one. Look into his eyes and you will see yourself.

Put that in your pipe and schmok it!

i couldn't agree more. i don't believe that humans can change our nature any more than a tiger can change his stripes.
i do feel that humankind is a virus on the earth, and the sooner we wipe ourselves out, the sooner our earth can begin to heal. i don't think it'sd much of a sacrifice. species go extinct every day. the only extinction that will improve the world is ours!
i hope we can manage it sooner than later.

[Czymra]

I believe that resigning over the nature of man is a little harsh of a blow to take. Yes, man might have been violent and greedy over the last thousands of years, and yes, everyone needs to stand above it if we want to 'evolve' but I can much easier align with the idea that man has always been corrupted rather than 'felt the need to express his true self'.

[Dantheman62]

This is a broken record thread, six pages and six days later you're still on the same song!
There's no ending. So why is a Lemon yellow? hmmm

[oldpaganfreak]

The problem is we are tresspassing on someone elses planet, unless we
want to be chattel. That IS how we are viewed. Goyem!



ah, but there is a difference. in 1948, when the allied forces created israel, they actually displaced palestinians from their homes to give them to the new israelis. their country was actually stolen to give it to someone else.
i can see all humans as interlopers on the earth, but actually moving into someone elses home ifollowing the eviction of the homeowner is more serious than that.
also, the fact that this continues to this day, with israeli expansion into rapidly diminishing palestinian territories is the crime against humanity.

[dagon]

ah, but there is a difference. in 1948, when the allied forces created israel, they actually displaced palestinians from their homes to give them to the new israelis. their country was actually stolen to give it to someone else.
i can see all humans as interlopers on the earth, but actually moving into someone elses home ifollowing the eviction of the homeowner is more serious than that.
also, the fact that this continues to this day, with israeli expansion into rapidly diminishing palestinian territories is the crime against humanity.

didnt the British played a roll in that? its all political. we need a boogieman. we need a bad guy to spin the spin. its all BS. its all created... yes bad things happened. people were thought.. people were molded... lies are told... people are people. and we do what were programmed to do... it all contrived..... spin baby spin...

[oldpaganfreak]

didnt the British played a roll in that? its all political. we need a boogieman. we need a bad guy to spin the spin. its all BS. its all created... yes bad things happened. people were thought.. people were molded... lies are told... people are people. and we do what were programmed to do... it all contrived..... spin baby spin...

yes dagon. the allied forces included england, france, the united states, canada and russia. mainly the brits and the american did this, though.

[nivosh]

what israel don't want you to see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYuWOi56Wq0&feature=related


plus they stole the energies of
is - isis
ra
and, el - elohim
and, used it, in their name

eXchanger, What exactly that video suppose to prove?
That 3 Settelers, Are Idiots And Violante?

Why Do you need to make the connection of every thing to a big conspiracy plot?

This thread smells of ignorance.

you speak the words of hatred and than sign: peace and love...

[nivosh]

ah, but there is a difference. in 1948, when the allied forces created israel, they actually displaced palestinians from their homes to give them to the new israelis. their country was actually stolen to give it to someone else.
i can see all humans as interlopers on the earth, but actually moving into someone elses home ifollowing the eviction of the homeowner is more serious than that.
also, the fact that this continues to this day, with israeli expansion into rapidly diminishing palestinian territories is the crime against humanity.

There is no such thing as: Palestinian's.

This term is a made up term to justify the war that is going on between the arab nations against israel.
look here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28222

I live in Israel. in this small (you can cross israel from north to south in about 8 hours driving, and from west to east in about 3 hours) this is the ONLY place we have to live in.

all of you, with your strong idiolagies against the crimes of israel, the so called theft of the lend from the hands of the so called palestinians, have no idea what it's like to actually live here and be subjected on an every day basis to missiles and small bombs that the "humble and week" palestinians are firing at us. you have no idea how it is to live in a place that by law, every restorant, shop, moll, has to place a guard in the entrance in order to check EVERY bag that you carry, in order to minimise suicide bombing attacks.

so please continue in your nonsense bubbling from the ivory tower that you live in.
most of you, i prasume, live in a country large enough for all the gas you produce.

[burgundia]

There is no such thing as: Palestinian's.

This term is a made up term to justify the war that is going on between the arab nations against israel.
look here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28222

I live in Israel. in this small (you can cross israel from north to south in about 8 hours driving, and from west to east in about 3 hours) this is the ONLY place we have to live in.

all of you, with your strong idiolagies against the crimes of israel, the so called theft of the lend from the hands of the so called palestinians, have no idea what it's like to actually live here and be subjected on an every day basis to missiles and small bombs that the "humble and week" palestinians are firing at us. you have no idea how it is to live in a place that by law, every restorant, shop, moll, has to place a guard in the entrance in order to check EVERY bag that you carry, in order to minimise suicide bombing attacks.

so please continue in your nonsense bubbling from the ivory tower that you live in.
most of you, i prasume, live in a country large enough for all the gas you produce.
What do you think about Israel's possible plans to attack Iran? I'd like to know your opinion. You very rarely write any posts here. i think we all would benefit if you presented here your point of view and your knowledge and information regarding different matters.

[nivosh]

What do you think about Israel's possible plans to attack Iran? I'd like to know your opinion. You very rarely write any posts here. i think we all would benefit if you presented here your point of view and your knowledge and information regarding different matters.

Hi burgundia.

I believe That eventualy Israel Will strike Iran.
I think this is a big part of the Grand Scheme.

We now have a preaty right wing government so...

I Think that the us doesn't want a nuclear Iran, and all these so called "peace talks" are just a way to avoid public view.

Maybe Israel will strike Iran, but it will be a joint effort of both the us and Israel. Israel and the us are so close related, as if we where the 51st state of the confederation...

[burgundia]

Hi burgundia.

I believe That eventualy Israel Will strike Iran.
I think this is a big part of the Grand Scheme.

We now have a preaty right wing government so...

I Think that the us doesn't want a nuclear Iran, and all these so called "peace talks" are just a way to avoid public view.

Maybe Israel will strike Iran, but it will be a joint effort of both the us and Israel. Israel and the us are so close related, as if we where the 51st state of the confederation...
This is obvious and everybody can see that. Tell us more about how ordinary people in israel perceive what is going on and how they are feeling right now.

[nivosh]

This is obvious and everybody can see that. Tell us more about how ordinary people in israel perceive what is going on and how they are feeling right now.

I can tell you that I just came from a huge festival...
I met there a lot of dedicated young people.

There is a true movement of people trying to make a change,
But most of the "ordinary" people are asleep.

The feeling i get is that people want to have peace but in the same breath don't believe there ever will be. not in the near future atleast.

most of us don't believe that the current Palestinians leadership is interested of co leaving in peace.

the Palestinians media is bombarding the peaple of Gaza and west bank with hatred songs and shows against Israel.

The school Books that children there learn from are full of disinformation and hatred. the children are learning to see the west as an enemy, and the war with Israel as an Islamic religious war.

The newspapers and the media are driving fear into the hearts of the sleep sheeps in order to keep the fear level high.

But as there is growing in darkness, there is growing in LiGhT,
and i do believe there is reason for everything.
And a time for it to happen.

[THE eXchanger]

i think, a lot of the problem
is around jews thinking, and, saying
they are the choosen people

i think all people are choosen people

and, i think if 2 people must fight,
than both of them are fools !!!

there is obviously a major problem,
in that part of the world,
and, this part of the world,
that supports your ongoing war with our taxes

haven't both sides lost enough sisters, and, enough brothers ???

when is enough, ENOUGH ???

sooner or later, isn't it better OPTION,
to decide to live side by side,
and, do it, in peace ???

it takes 2 groups to fight -

someone is making a huge business profit off the war

and, everyone over there, is caught right in the middle of it

and, if we don't stop it there, it is, going to spread like a wild fire
all over the globe

geez--people of the world, we can do much better than this !!!

we are supposed to be here, to be pieces of peace

and, yet, until we learn to respect others - will this ever happen ???

i am curious, what do you learn, as, a result of living
right in the middle of a war ???

i find it hard to fathom, why, people find it necessary to do this ???

if i was president of the usa
i'd stop all boats/flights/trades etc.
to that part of the world
and, allow, both sides of this equation
to handle it themselves --
trouble is, if we do that,
the war machine business ends,
and, both sides of the equation, are likely to blow up the world

how sad --when we are suposed to be here,
and, create heaven, on earth !!!
and, have some fun, while eXchanging !!!

i pray for peace - and, hope both sides can figure out
how to settle things, once, and, for all !!!

[Rainchild]

This Hj is one of the biggest lies on the planet. There never ever was a race of people called Jews. Jew was a term associated with anyone who had awakened their concsiousness. The Gentiles are the ones not yet spiritualized. There is no j in the hebrew alphabet. Jew is JW or 33.

The place called Israel was known as the land of Canan.
Israel comes from the mystery school teachings of ISIS, RA and EL which means, mother, father, God ,or the androgynous nature of the divine.

Don't take my word for it ,do the research.
:thumb_yello:
First of all that came from Jordan Maxwell a person who says that Solomon never existed. He believes Solomon comes from the word sol, (meaning sun), om, (which he claims means sun), and the word "on" from the city of AN in Heliopolis. King Solomon did exist and Harvard has confirmed it. He also beleives annoint means sex. These are all mystery school ideas.

Here is some research for you!

Debunking Jordan Maxwell the Movie
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3119679914965262207&ei=3VThSdzfDpjCqwK5-9SbBQ&q=debunking+jordan+maxwell&hl=en&emb=1

[Rainchild]

:sweatdrop: how about a poll?

[burgundia]

How were the relationships between Arabs and Jews in that region before the state of israel was created? Both nations lived there but it looks like the problems started the moment Israel came into being. Am i right or wrong? anybody please with relevant information?

[oldpaganfreak]

There is no such thing as: Palestinian's.

.

nivosh, this is wrong. my 1910 encyclopedia britannica has an article on 'palestine' like it has on any other country. palestine was a country, before 1948. the palestinians are the people that lived in palestine. of course they were not all the same, religion, heritage, or culture. any country contains a variety of cultures. israel consists of jews that came from all over the world. countries are diverse.

the fact is that the israelis were given a country that was not theirs and
they displaced the people that were living there, and are still doing so with expansion into the palestian territories. this is not your fault, anymore than it is my fault that europeans stole the land i live on, from the natives that were here for thousands of years. colonialism is the same. someone has to go to make room for the colonists. history repeats itself, over and over again and we never seem to learn anything.

[BROOK]

nivosh, this is wrong. my 1910 encyclopedia britannica has an article on 'palestine' like it has on any other country. palestine was a country, before 1948. the palestinians are the people that lived in palestine. of course they were not all the same, religion, heritage, or culture. any country contains a variety of cultures. israel consists of jews that came from all over the world. countries are diverse.

the fact is that the israelis were given a country that was not theirs and
they displaced the people that were living there, and are still doing so with expansion into the palestian territories. this is not your fault, anymore than it is my fault that europeans stole the land i live on, from the natives that were here for thousands of years. colonialism is the same. someone has to go to make room for the colonists. history repeats itself, over and over again and we never seem to learn anything.

That is absolutely right...and btw...I don't hate Jews...I married one :tongue2:

[BROOK]

I'd also like to add that My husband is a German Jew...meaning all of his family was killed except for his Grandfather..who escaped alive...to flourish...and create a new family here in the united states...a wonderful family..I love them dearly..when my mother died..my mother in law told me she was my mother now...and has remained that ever since...I love them with all my heart :wub2:

[777 The Great Work]

First of all that came from Jordan Maxwell a person who says that Solomon never existed. He believes Solomon comes from the word sol, (meaning sun), om, (which he claims means sun), and the word "on" from the city of AN in Heliopolis. King Solomon did exist and Harvard has confirmed it. He also beleives annoint means sex. These are all mystery school ideas.

Here is some research for you!

Debunking Jordan Maxwell the Movie
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3119679914965262207&ei=3VThSdzfDpjCqwK5-9SbBQ&q=debunking+jordan+maxwell&hl=en&emb=1
Hello rain Child ,i do my own research. I'm not a repeater.
King solomon is the same as king Arthur. Its all myth concealing the higest truths.

When you look at the numbers they are all the same with each character. The truth is in the numbers not the names and titles.

The story is the tragedy and triumph of the human soul. No ones story is any different ,because it is the only story repeated in extensive repetition, told across millenia.

This means my story is your story, and what is a story without a good villan that reflects our own inner villan.
The names and titles are absolutely useless.

In my quote,i finished with the words ,do the research,not check with Jordan Maxwell :lol3::lol3::lmfao:
:lmfao:

[BROOK]

When I first saw this thread..I thought to myself...does anyone here really HATE anyone else.....if you do then you probably need to get yourself in check...hate is a worthless energy....and if you hate ...you need to get it completely out of you're system :shocked:

Love, compassion, forgive, is where you need to direct your energy
PERIOD :thumb_yello:

[burgundia]

When I first saw this thread..I thought to myself...does anyone here really HATE anyone else.....if you do then you probably need to get yourself in check...hate is a worthless energy....and if you hate ...you need to get it completely out of you're system :shocked:

Love, compassion, forgive, is where you need to direct your energy
PERIOD :thumb_yello:

That's why I was wondering why such a thread at all. no validity in it at all. It's like implying sth that doesn't exist...

[nivosh]

How were the relationships between Arabs and Jews in that region before the state of israel was created? Both nations lived there but it looks like the problems started the moment Israel came into being. Am i right or wrong? anybody please with relevant information?

The Conflict between Hebrew people and Arab people began long long before modern Israel came into being.
This is a conflict thousand of years old.

And don't forget that Hebrew and Arab are cousins.
originated from the same father (Abraham)

[BROOK]

Instead of wondering if anyone hates Jews...we should be concentrating efforts into creating solutions to the things that are going on over there.
And I mean REAL solutions...not half as..ed ideas..but really getting people to understand that it is worthless to continue the hatful energy, and start to spread some loving energy....both sides have lost...both have been hurt...now it's time to forgive....and have compassion...and rebuild community and love.
Sounds like a fairy tale....but it's a tale that need to come to life
Every life is worth living and saving and loving...PERIOD

[nivosh]

nivosh, this is wrong. my 1910 encyclopedia britannica has an article on 'palestine' like it has on any other country. palestine was a country, before 1948. the palestinians are the people that lived in palestine. of course they were not all the same, religion, heritage, or culture. any country contains a variety of cultures. israel consists of jews that came from all over the world. countries are diverse.

the fact is that the israelis were given a country that was not theirs and
they displaced the people that were living there, and are still doing so with expansion into the palestian territories. this is not your fault, anymore than it is my fault that europeans stole the land i live on, from the natives that were here for thousands of years. colonialism is the same. someone has to go to make room for the colonists. history repeats itself, over and over again and we never seem to learn anything.

Have you read the article i provided?

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.

these are the words of Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein that was published in 1977 in a dutch newspaper.

in the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as Palestine was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation.

[Soulmate7]

There is no such thing as: Palestinian's.

Golda Meir quote and that's where all the misery begins. You don't recognize the Palestinians, yet they have to recognize the state of Isreal, land that was stolen from them. Where is the logic?
Are Americans Americans? After all, they stole the land from the real Americans, no? Therefore they don't exist... if I follow your reasoning.

Zionism is my definition of evil. It's a lethal cancer that will infect the whole body (Earth) if nothing changes. Concrete: It will lead to a nuclear WWIII.

Zionism is the Mother of all Hate. It's a combination of racism, fascism, apartheid and supremacy. As long as Jews think they are the self-appointed Chosen Ones and act like ones, taking over governments (ZOG's) and we are only second-hand goyim, the problem will persist.

Question for you, Nivosh:
How do you feel about the Sampson Option? 100's of nukes pointed mainly at large cities of Europe. What do you think would happen if ANY other country had one little nuke pointed at Israel? Moreover, IMHO your government is doing everything to eventually use the Sampson Option at some point.

Why do Jews have more rights than the rest of us?

[Ashatav]

Tha fake jews of the talmudic zionists is the apostate branch of the mystery religion world pseudo-goverment currently in function with the Vatican at top of it.

But those luciferians idiots must Kill the Torah real Jews in order to prevent the fullfilment of key prophecies and because they understan the relationship Creature-Father creator.

Similar thing with the Biblical Christians, they understand the realtinon Creature-Son.

There's a climate similar the one before the holocaust.

The fake jews under the papacy called zionists must play a role of "evil jews" to "justify" another holocaust (ritual sacrifice, you know).

In the world war wheren't just a Jew holocaust, where like 5 holocausts, mostly in the christian nations.

Anticheers!

[Humble Janitor]

I can tell you that I just came from a huge festival...
I met there a lot of dedicated young people.

There is a true movement of people trying to make a change,
But most of the "ordinary" people are asleep.

The feeling i get is that people want to have peace but in the same breath don't believe there ever will be. not in the near future atleast.

most of us don't believe that the current Palestinians leadership is interested of co leaving in peace.

the Palestinians media is bombarding the peaple of Gaza and west bank with hatred songs and shows against Israel.

The school Books that children there learn from are full of disinformation and hatred. the children are learning to see the west as an enemy, and the war with Israel as an Islamic religious war.

The newspapers and the media are driving fear into the hearts of the sleep sheeps in order to keep the fear level high.

But as there is growing in darkness, there is growing in LiGhT,
and i do believe there is reason for everything.
And a time for it to happen.


How is it any different from Israelis that elect bigots like Avigdor Lieberman and BiBi to run their government?

How is it any different from the arrogance displayed by the Israeli politicians to the rest of the world?

If anything, a war in Iran is a horrible idea. However, Israelis MUST stand up and demand their government stop the foolishness, much like Palestinians as well. We can choose not to participate in these games but there must be brotherhood and respect between both peoples if nuclear war is to be thwarted.

[nivosh]

How is it any different from Israelis that elect bigots like Avigdor Lieberman and BiBi to run their government?

How is it any different from the arrogance displayed by the Israeli politicians to the rest of the world?

If anything, a war in Iran is a horrible idea. However, Israelis MUST stand up and demand their government stop the foolishness, much like Palestinians as well. We can choose not to participate in these games but there must be brotherhood and respect between both peoples if nuclear war is to be thwarted.

This has become, in my opinion, a useless discussion.
Arrogance exists where ego exists. this has nothing to do with Israelis, Americans, Arabs or Aliens.

I did not vote for Avigdor Liberman but I Know he has a part in the process we all call progress into enlightenment.

so, I think we can all joyfully conclude that
Avalon Does not hate Jews nor Loves them.
Avalon is Avalon. a place where souls meet
and play.

[Humble Janitor]

It appears to only be useless because people do not want to answer hard questions.

That is fine. One can only hope in time, that people will see past this silly game of cat and mouse in the Middle East.

[oldpaganfreak]

This has become, in my opinion, a useless discussion.


yes, because, as humble janitor says, "no one wants to answer hard questions."

in the recent israeli offensive, as of jan 14, over 1000 deaths in gaza, including over 300 children. school and hospiutals were attacked, according to red cross spokespeople.(that's why they call it an offensive)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/14/gaza-city-fighiting-israel-un

in that same time, there were 13 israeli deaths, including 5 that died of friendly fire.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1053120.html

it must be a great comfort to you nivosh, that none of them were really palestinian, because, as you said, "there are no palestinians."

it doesn't matter if they're palestinian, because....

they're dead.

[Karen]

Thread closed at the request of the OP: "I realize that the thread was a mistake and it will only serve to divide people further."