Can Consciousness Mitigate a Natural Disaster?

[Seashore]

I am fascinated with the assertion that the collective consciousness can have an effect on Mother Nature--specifically on whether or not we get a geographic pole shift, resulting in a tsunami.

Does anyone have information about a scientific explanation for how this could be possible?

[alyscat]

I do not have a scientific explanation per se, however, there have been longstanding scientific projects on times when human consciousness has been more "in-sync" - such as happened when the WTC came down.

That said, I read yesterday in a report the first minutes of the broadcast of the attacks on the WTC actually altered the magnetics of the planet as a whole, and these magnetic changes were picked up from satellites. The source is one I value, but I don't have the backup to where the source got the information.

That said, it might be possible, but I don't think that we have enough practicing meditators of really good focus to be able to accomplish an actual alteration in something like a geographic pole shift. TPTB have done their work too well - the majority of people are easily distracted, and concerned re: sex, food, money, and entertainment.
JMHO
Alys

[Egg]

If science could explain it, then the world would be in a much better state, and people like the Bush family / Clintons / Blairs / Browns would be dead and buried never to be seen again.

In short, the predators would be sent to extinction by the good will of the collective unified desire of the group mind.

Science however cannot explain it, hence it needs sites like Avalon to bring it to peoples attention.:thumb_yello:

[Seashore]

If science could explain it, then the world would be in a much better state, and people like the Bush family / Clintons / Blairs / Browns would be dead and buried never to be seen again.

In short, the predators would be sent to extinction by the good will of the collective unified desire of the group mind.

Science however cannot explain it, hence it needs sites like Avalon to bring it to peoples attention.:thumb_yello:

Are you asserting that it's true but science can't explain it?

[Egg]

As we speak, there are hundreds of very spiritual people working towards a bright future - they are using nothing but their minds and free will.

Do I beleive it? yes, I believe group massed conciousness can change our time line and events within it.

[Seashore]

That said, I read yesterday in a report the first minutes of the broadcast of the attacks on the WTC actually altered the magnetics of the planet as a whole, and these magnetic changes were picked up from satellites.


Thank you. This is interesting to consider.

Should we think of consciousness as magnetic in itself?

[Luminari]

Seashore I know we could control the weather mentally as a society if we were in sync. Things like that are possible.

But stopping a volcano erupting or a large earthquake I think is still possible theoretically (everything is possible) but is bordering on miraculus for our 3D mind/body/spirit complexes.

Its not likely to work very efficiently in our spiritual and cosmic dark-age at present, with Politics and Religion, The Media and The Monetary System.

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/natur/nature-smiley-008.gif

On the bright side..
With the law of N 2 (squared)

where N is the number of people harmonising

N = 1 _______ N 2 = 1

N = 2 _______ N 2 = 4

N = 8 _______ N 2 = 64

So 2 people harmonising have 4 times the power!

Harmonising with one other person is the cosmic purpose for all relationships.

You can also see how energy increases exponentially with more people harmonising.

N squared increases your ability to manifest.

Just keep in mind that if you are not balanced you might be only begining at N = 0.5 which doesnt lead to heightened energy levels. All the people harmonising need to be balanced aswel for it to truly work.

N squared concept source: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5277732254464846198


:thumb_yello:

[Tarliam]

Liked the equation and i agree in part but i feel it doesn't have to just be the
well balanced minds i believe that there are levels to positive thought and anyone is just as effective as any other, (I.E. Positive vibration is positive vibration) if i am misunderstanding your premise i apologise just think myself , that there wont be levels of rank in a cosmic consciousness

[Christo888]

N squared concept source: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5277732254464846198


:thumb_yello:

Ahhhh, thank you for this... you just explained to me why 'they' work so hard on TV shows and the like to create strife, seperation, and division, as if it is the norm between couples so that very few would actually experience the power of combined union of thought in agreement towards a vision or outcome.

[Luminari]

Ahhhh, thank you for this... you just explained to me why 'they' work so hard on TV shows and the like to create strife, seperation, and division, as if it is the norm between couples so that very few would actually experience the power of combined union of thought in agreement towards a vision or outcome.

You are most welcome.

Yes I found this concept a profound revelation too on many levels.

[Seashore]

Should we think of consciousness as magnetic in itself?

Can anyone define scientifically what consciousness is?

[Luminari]

Can anyone define scientifically what consciousness is?

I think I heard Nassim Haramein describe Consciousness as "The feedback between electro-magnetism and gravity" on the Veritas interview, correct me if I am wrong.

[Seashore]

I think I heard Nassim Haramein describe Consciousness as "The feedback between electro-magnetism and gravity" on the Veritas interview, correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks!

I wish Nassim would write a book for the layman. I really relate to his work...

[mudra]

I am fascinated with the assertion that the collective consciousness can have an effect on Mother Nature--specifically on whether or not we get a geographic pole shift, resulting in a tsunami.

Does anyone have information about a scientific explanation for how this could be possible?
Seashore I recommend these excellent articles:

The Self-Aware Universe

An Interview with Amit Goswami

by Craig Hamilton

WIE: In your book The Self-Aware Universe you speak about the need for a paradigm shift. Could you talk a bit about how you conceive of that shift? From what to what?

Amit Goswami: The current worldview has it that everything is made of matter, and everything can be reduced to the elementary particles of matter, the basic constituents—building blocks—of matter. And cause arises from the interactions of these basic building blocks or elementary particles; elementary particles make atoms, atoms make molecules, molecules make cells, and cells make brain. But all the way, the ultimate cause is always the interactions between the elementary particles. This is the belief—all cause moves from the elementary particles. This is what we call "upward causation." So in this view, what human beings—you and I—think of as our free will does not really exist. It is only an epiphenomenon or secondary phenomenon, secondary to the causal power of matter. And any causal power that we seem to be able to exert on matter is just an illusion. This is the current paradigm.
Now, the opposite view is that everything starts with consciousness.That is, consciousness is the ground of all being. In this view, consciousness imposes "downward causation." In other words, our free will is real. When we act in the world we really are acting with causal power. This view does not deny that matter also has causal potency—it does not deny that there is causal power from elementary particles upward, so there is upward causation—but in addition it insists that there is also downward causation. It shows up in our creativity and acts of free will, or when we make moral decisions. In those occasions we are actually witnessing downward causation by consciousness.

Read more here:
http://twm.co.nz/goswam1.htm

as well as:
Consciousness as an Active Force

Amy L. Lansky, PhD

Consciousness is an active force or mechanism that can, among other things, control or cause change in the human energy field, as well as, potentially, the universal field.

Thus, as humans we have within us the ability to use consciousness to affect both ourselves and our environment, for good or for ill. Through consciousness we can repair our energy bodies, control the flow of chemicals through our physical body, or give ourselves a heart-attack and die. We can also (but perhaps with less reliability) communicate our feelings to others at a distance, or bring events into our lives that aid or hinder us.
How exactly can we characterize or model such a mechanism of consciousness? The rest of this paper describes some ideas along these lines, focussed primarily on the use of a possible-worlds model. I will also argue that consciousness is a higher-dimensional force that can, more broadly, affect all aspects of three-dimensional reality, not just the human energy field.

read the full article here:
http://twm.co.nz/consciousness.html

Kindness
mudra

[Zeddo]

I am fascinated with the assertion that the collective consciousness can have an effect on Mother Nature--specifically on whether or not we get a geographic pole shift, resulting in a tsunami.

Does anyone have information about a scientific explanation for how this could be possible?

Where to start.

The question is in itself simple and the answer equally so. Yes we can mitigate any circumstance that may show its head on the horizon. Is there scientific proof for this? I guess Uri Gellar is a good place to start. He is not unique; he is just more tuned in and is one of billions with such ability. What about the rest of us, why do we lack the requisite skills to perform such "miracles"? It is not that we so much lack them as that we are too involved in our daily lives earning a living, putting bread on the table, bringing up kids and yes, as someone said, sex, TV etc.

The "sex, TV etc" part is however something we have allowed. As Mudra's post explained on downward causality, there are those who know the science behind this and utilise it to keep common man (not gender specific, please) spell bound and in a trance. It is the masses that do not know the science of this and only the few that do understand it.

They are the ones who for obvious reasons manipulate the water we drink, the food we eat, the news we both read and see and all of the programs we watch. Yes we are indeed programmed and we allow it.

Why is there all this programming, all this manipulation, war, hatred, and divisiveness? The reason is simple. We are a product of all of that which we have allowed to be brought in to this current reality. We are a part of a current reality that we need to grow through and understand. This is the ultimate of tests. Do we remain insane or do we rise above the insanity in which we find ourselves at this moment in this reality (or unreality as I prefer to think of it. Nothing so sick and twisted can be real).

Every day we see flashes of light in darkness, miracles occur and pinpoints of light grow brighter as more people are starting to awake. As this happens and we stand together and hold each other up in prayer to the universal creator, so we will start to manifest the energies required to be effective in bringing into reality the powers that we all have. The powers that will “mitigate tsunami’s, earthquakes, pole shifts, alien invasions, corrupt governments, manipulative minorities etc etc etc. The list is endless, let us pray that our sleep is not equally so.
To summarise: Yes we have the inherent ability to mitigate any circumstance that may come our way. We have the ability to create star systems, universes, anything. The problem is that in this paradigm, we are asleep and manipulated and we look for scientific proof which is hidden from us, to show us the way. Do you see the paradox?
Love to you all

Zedd

[Tango]

***YesSSS***

[Seashore]

***YesSSS***

Please elaborate! With science...

[islandman]

The work of Gregg Braden is a good overview of
the science of consciousness.

For me personally, I would prefer to just know,
without the need for physical proof,
if you know what I mean

YouTube - Gregg Braden - The Science of Miracles (1/7)

[Seashore]

The work of Gregg Braden is a good overview of
the science of consciousness.

For me personally, I would prefer to just know,
without the need for physical proof,
if you know what I mean

YouTube - Gregg Braden - The Science of Miracles (1/7) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nKSq2tV1kE&feature=related)

Does this video address natural disasters?

[pyrangello]

Remember 2 years ago when in Georgia they were having a drought and it was getting really serious. Then the governor came out and said they were going to have a statewide day of prayer for water and rain, and oh yes it has been raining there since then.

If your looking for info on consciousness wathc the david icke video 2 hrs long on camelot, that helped an average guy like me out bunches, I need to watch it again. Hope that helps

[Seashore]

Remember 2 years ago when in Georgia they were having a drought and it was getting really serious. Then the governor came out and said they were going to have a statewide day of prayer for water and rain, and oh yes it has been raining there since then.

If your looking for info on consciousness wathc the david icke video 2 hrs long on camelot, that helped an average guy like me out bunches, I need to watch it again. Hope that helps

Yeah I'm familiar with David Icke's work but I have never read or heard him assert anything about natural disasters and consciousness.

The whole topic of consciousness is very fascinating. But I'm really looking for scientific support for the theory that the possible cataclysms associated with 2012 could be diverted by consciousness. I'm beginning to conclude that the idea is simply a stretch of the imagination and an exaggeration...

[Anchor]

I am fascinated with the assertion that the collective consciousness can have an effect on Mother Nature--specifically on whether or not we get a geographic pole shift, resulting in a tsunami.

Does anyone have information about a scientific explanation for how this could be possible?

The science around Torsion fields may be what you are looking for. David Wilcock has covered this quite well in his Science of peace series that can be found at www.divinecosmos.com.

It is worth noting that conciousness is a kind of medium - to actually do anything with it, one has to extert will via intent. The geometric multiplier effect referred to above by Luminari requires that those taking part have a unity of focus and intent, which then allows the effect on a larger scale.

This is the power of concerted action, and gives new meaning to the old saying that many hands make light work.

A..

[Seashore]

The science around Torsion fields may be what you are looking for. David Wilcock has covered this quite well in his Science of peace series that can be found at www.divinecosmos.com...

A..

Thanks, Anchor. I will check this out...

[Seashore]

Thanks, Anchor. I will check this out...

Anchor,

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=304

Is this what you're referring to? Control - F for find does not bring up the word "torsion field"...

[Anchor]

Anchor,

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=304

Is this what you're referring to? Control - F for find does not bring up the word "torsion field"...

Thats the one. Torsion fields are referenced in the lecture - you download, or it might be on Camlelot. DW talks about the Torsion fields and presents work done by the Russian scientists who work in that area.

Do your Control F on "THE HEALING POWER OF THE CONSCIOUSNESS FIELD - SEEN IN PYRAMID EFFECTS" and read that part.

Downloading and listening to the science of peace lecture is "recommended".

A..

[Karen]

I don't know about natural disasters, but effects on human behavior are scientifically proven. This man ran for USA President in 2004 ... if only he had a chance ... what a different world it would already be!

http://istpp.org/message.html - Many links down the left sidebar.
"John Hagelin, Ph.D., is a world-renowned quantum physicist, educator, public policy expert, and leading proponent of peace... Dr. Hagelin is unique among scientists in being the first to apply this most advanced knowledge for the practical benefit of humankind. He has pioneered the use of Unified Field-based technologies proven to reduce crime, violence, terrorism, and war and to promote peace throughout society—technologies derived from the ancient Vedic science of consciousness. He has published groundbreaking research establishing the existence of long-range “field effects” of consciousness generated through collective meditation, and has shown that large meditating groups can effectively defuse acute societal stress—thereby preventing violence and social conflict, and providing a practical foundation for permanent world peace."

Lots of videos on Youtube ...

John Hagelin, Ph.D ON Consciousness & Superstring Unified Field Theory, How is knowledge lost and The Observor
YouTube - John Hagelin, Ph.D on Consciousness 1 of 2


John Hagelin, Ph.D ON Consciousness & Superstring Unified Field Theory, How is knowledge lost and The Observor - it seems the first 2 seconds of video 2 with the words 'and effort' got cut out some...
YouTube - John Hagelin, Ph.D on Consciousness 2 of 2

[Karen]

Wow! What a concept! "Maharishi University uses the block system in which each student takes one course at a time students report they learn more without the stress of taking 4-5 courses at once."

7 studies put together showed the likelihood that this reduction of war was due to chance and not to the meditating groups was less than 1 part in 10 million, million, million. They proved you could turn off war like a light switch.

YouTube - The Unified Power of Peace

[Seashore]

remember, in quantum mechanics, the rules of our reality do not apply. in the quantum, E does not equal MC squared.

it has been proven thru analyzing particles at the quantum level, that when observed, the characteristics of the particle itself changes. as does the "experiment" or the relationship between the particles being observed.

so, like the Heisenberg uncertainty principle (where you will never be able to locate a particle the more accurately you measure it's speed, and vice versa where you cannot measure the speed the more precisely you identify the location of an particle (only at the quantum level), this is similar, but different.

look: if you want to use the tools of science (and science is but a tool, not a paradigm of thought) to measure or quantify principles that science INTENTIONALLY AVOIDS because they are not defined as NATURAL (check the definition of science, re-written in 1989) events, then your'e going to run into the same wall that you get when you argue with a deeply religious zealot or a drunk.

apples and oranges cannot be compared or used to test eachother.

science only allows itself to work within the NATURAL world, always assuming that the natural world will behave in a predicatable manner. period. therefore, it PURPOSFULLY excludes the supernatural (which does not have a concrete definiton in science) as being unmeasurable, undefineable, and unreliable to reproduction. and therefore, anything non-natural is out of the box of science. it is a saftey measure, and a leash at the same time.

this can be good and bad.

good, because we have used the tools of science to manipulate the elements around us, to categorize the minerals and compounds of the natural world and have altered them based on their studied and known properties to crate the civilization under our feet. i KNOW because of science, how much weight this concrete, wood and steel beneath me can hold, and i do not have to attribute this building standing to angels or fairy dust or invisible gnomes, etc.

so, everything you have in front of you, including the computer you're staring at right now and the roof over your head, and the fillings in your teeth are due to our understanding of the natural world. this is why alchemy did not work...because the rules of the physical world do not break. you cannot heat lead up to get gold. period.

however...the flaw of this rigid set of rules that has brought us so far, is that shifts in paradigms or quantum leaps (pardon the pun) in science happen so rarely because you have to completely rock not only the theory (which is an EXTREMELY powerful set of circumstances that surround a concept or principle, not just an idea like so many scientifically ignorant people thing it is) and ALL the theories, hypothesis, and the greater paradigm that those observable, defendable, and reproducable results support.

in 1900, Lord Kelvin famously said, something like, "we've discovered everything there is to discover in physics, the rest is fine tuning". yea, in 1900 he said that. then, in 1905 einstein rocked the ENTIRE WORLD with 3 papers on relativity. newtonian physics were not the only forces out there to play with (although they did account fairly well to the motion of the planets and other physical observations).

the point is: einstein rocked the entire paradigm of science, which was then rocked again in 1934 with the tuning of quantum mechanics and the reality that there are differnent sets of rules for different dimensions(?). you'd have to look that up...it's late, and i've had a couple drinks, hense this tangent getting WAYY off the topic.

but, to answer: your quest for scientific explinations to consiousness is a very very noble one. and they're out there. there is a book with is just so good: (we've talked about it before on avalon) called the Holographic Universie by Michael Talbot. you want the science behind some of these hypothesis on consiousness/matter relationships? this book will give you a measurable and quantifyalbe hard on in your pursuit.

there are other books and therefore other people who have looked into these things, but the reason you do not hear too much about that is because it is very difficult to get funding, and therefore support from academia if you're pursuing these principles. the world of science is corrupt, it's a who-knows-who game and the ego's are out of this world.

the irony is that all ivory towers fall when a new paradigm is ushered in. and a new one is coming to a world near you.

Wow! What a post. Thank you so much.

I think I've read Holographic Universe. (I must not have comprehended well or I would remember for sure. I am so deluged with information, everything is blurring together.)

I'm not sure what to think when people use the principles of quantum physics in discussions, because I love Nassim Haramein's work, and he made the statement, "Quantum physics is bunk!". But later I heard him say it only needs modifying. I think what he means is that there is no such thing as a strong force...

Anyway, I think I understand what you're saying. Maybe my question can consciousness mitigate a natural disaster cannot be answered in the traditional scientific manner. I am going to have to learn to think outside the box big time...

[Seashore]

...He has published groundbreaking research establishing the existence of long-range “field effects” of consciousness generated through collective meditation, and has shown that large meditating groups can effectively defuse acute societal stress—thereby preventing violence and social conflict, and providing a practical foundation for permanent world peace....



What an exciting and comforting concept to ponder, and hopefully, apply...

[Seashore]

i cant wait.

I can't either!

[Seashore]

Can anyone define scientifically what consciousness is?

I think I heard Nassim Haramein describe Consciousness as "The feedback between electro-magnetism and gravity" on the Veritas interview, correct me if I am wrong.

I am starting to explore David Wilcock's work, and this quote from his website (http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=304) makes me see a connection to Nassim's work:

"What if consciousness — this supposedly private phenomenon in our own minds — is actually the basic characteristic of energy throughout the entire Universe?"

[Seashore]

http://twm.co.nz/consciousness.html



This New Zealand website is interesting. It has information entitled "Indigenous Weather Modification." (http://twm.co.nz/index.html) I've never heard that expression before...

[Tango]

Originally Posted by seashore View Post
Can anyone define scientifically what consciousness is?


" Consciousness is the programming language of the universe....
We are consciousness conductors... That’s what we do.....
That’s who we are! Consciousness comes through, or emanates from us.
' We ' are the creators. We are the ones who are targeted on this planet
because we are the ones who transmit the reality, just like everybody
else does."

Trooly,


Tango

[Seashore]

" Consciousness is the programming language of the universe...."


I like this... :original:

[Seashore]

...Do your Control F on "THE HEALING POWER OF THE CONSCIOUSNESS FIELD - SEEN IN PYRAMID EFFECTS" and read that part...

A..

Yeah, this is really interesting: "...the Russians discovered that when they built these pyramids in a given area, they would reduce earthquakes, close ozone holes, deflect severe storms, purify the water..."

[Tango]

It " is " simple.... " Like a Kiss " " An Exhale " [the other side of breath]

" It simply is watt it is " " Natures way " " slow " " Easy "

" Wait for the Reaction....."
Trooly,



Tango

[Seashore]

Seashore I recommend these excellent articles:

The Self-Aware Universe

An Interview with Amit Goswami

by Craig Hamilton

Read more here:
http://twm.co.nz/goswam1.htm ...



Here's a quote from this article that I like: "It was my good fortune to recognize it within quantum physics, to recognize that all the paradoxes of quantum physics can be solved if we accept consciousness as the ground of being. So that was my unique contribution and, of course, this has paradigm-shifting potential because now we can truly integrate science and spirituality."

[Seashore]

Seashore I recommend these excellent articles:

Consciousness as an Active Force

Amy L. Lansky, PhD

read the full article here:
http://twm.co.nz/consciousness.html ...



I was reading this from the article: "...My own personal experiences have convinced me unequivocally of the reality of the energy-body. In addition to practicing tai chi and qi gong..."

I'm familiar with tai chi but not qi gong, so I searched it on YouTube.

Here is a video demonstrating qi gong. The final words spoken on the clip: "...brings your consciousness beyond your body moving towards union with the universe."

"Kuan Yin Standing Qigong Part 1 - Sheng Zhen" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cCD0l7COqk&feature=PlayList&p=4A0F1D5CEDF5582B&index=0)

[Seashore]

Seashore I recommend these excellent articles:

Consciousness as an Active Force

Amy L. Lansky, PhD

read the full article here:
http://twm.co.nz/consciousness.html ...


This article points out that research (http://twm.co.nz/teleg_PK.htm) done at Princeton indicates that consciousness can effect the outcome of electronic random event generators. Maybe this can be compared to influencing the forces of nature...

Thanks, mudra, for these articles!