Camelot responds to St Clair's blurb

[EpiphaMe]

I just happened to stop by Camelot today, and lo and behold, there is a statement today by Camelot (Bill & Kerry) in response to Cliff High's interview with Michael St Clair wherein St Clair casually mentions that Bill is Kerry's handler...

that is mind control vocabulary.

The reason I start this thread is that I would have expected B & K to dismiss the blurb, ok maybe make a statement... nevertheless... for them to be so dissed & express this to such a degree, to me, is a rather low handed manner of dealing with it. There are many negative remarks about certain "whistleblowers" on their site, I don't see them dissing & deleting those interviews.

These days, posts, threads, opinions are coming forward in myriads of fashions.. I would think that the founders of Camelot would take that in stride, make a short statement and move on. Michael St Clair has much to offer that we ought not to dismiss... w/the premise that any 'whisltblower' or any other person w/insight has a part of the onion as well... for us to peel.

I am not happy with their announcement.

Regarding Mind Control, a vast subject, huge rabbit hole... but worth looking into... when one is mind controlled (as are we ALL)... more than likely one would not be cognizant of it... even if you are UP ON IT.. you would know eventually that the work to unravel the madness is quite a job indeed...
AND, the norm is for one to dismiss the fact that they are controlled.
Not to mention that the "handler" is also mind controlled..<<<

what is so difficult to recognize about that I ask???

We are ALL subject to this imprinting/mind control/programming...
and those that deny this are perhaps more controlled than others.

I think it is regretful that they had to post a retraction on their website as they did... that they could not see THRU the veil enough to simply acknowledge the words that were spoken and choose to remain open.

We must not cut off threads to knowledge based on our egoic stance..
there are other ways to deal with seeming adversity than to erase words from a screen.

http://media.light-seeds.com/clifhigh22march2009.mp3

http://projectcamelot.org/

[BROOK]

I have no problem with him being gone...I had a bad vibe about him.
He did not seem very genuine...
Only my opinion.

[Dantheman62]

Brook :thumb_yello: Kathleen :thumb_yello:

[NewParadigmGuy]

Michael St. Clair was an "agent" at Rayelan Allen's "Rumor Mill News" service for quite a long time. Eventually he had a falling out with her, as well, and was banned from her site.

[Phtha]

I had very bad vibes from St.Clair after watching his Camelot interview. I've dismissed him since then. In my opinion Camelot just got rid of some very bad energy.

Anyone who claims to know the answers and the solution to everything is lying. No one can know, we all have our own jobs to do.
Anyone who talks down to people in public like he did is pure ego and certainly not and enlightened human being.
He is simply starting a cult the same way all cult leaders have every done. They pretend that the knowledge they uncover is their own.

"Many false prophets will arise"
C'est la vie

[avyaktam]

In a recent radio interview (I forgot with who) I heard somebody saying that it seems that people in these circuits are being set up against each other:
Jones vs Rense, Icke vs ?, Alan watts vs ? etc. And know we see this one.
St. Clair is not my favorite, but I listen to what he has to say once in a while but I am not going to focus on him. The same for David Wilcock. They are not my leading stars, but I'm not trying to bash them. Also Bill and Kerry have stands and follow ways that would not be my primary choices, still I consider what they are doing valuable and I appreciate.

Here on the forum we have recently have threads with pro-contra fights about Peggy Kane and Alex Jones not to speak about members bashing each other.
It reminds me of this Tom Bearden interview were he talks about the ways the PTB use to neutralize free-energy inventors, also referred to in the latest Camelot interview with Wade Frazier. The first thing they do Bearden explains there is that they make an in dept study of the person, a psychological profile and with that they know exactly how they best can manipulate and neutralize that researcher. Put a certain person in their life, bribe, use their pride or honesty; whatever serves the purpose. It is wise to be aware of this.

It is also wise to consider what Stewart Swerdlow recentlly said, that the PTB at the moment are putting out mindcontrol frequencies that stimulate anger and dispute.

Furthermore I consider it wise to do what Jim Marrs said a couple of years ago. When he hears certain information he puts it in a "Ahum" file; meaning that he keeps it in mind, doesn't accept it or accept it fully, but also doesn't disregard it fully: he waits for more information to make up his mind about it.
That's what I did for example with the GFL messages and finally I made up my mind. Peggy Kane, Dan Burisch and Ben Fullford are in my "ahum" at the moment.

To B&K I would say. I find your reaction a bit strong and I don't like you parenting us. I mean you have all the right to defend yourself and to criticize and to stop endorsing, but what you did with :ban: I consider to be an overkill and almost misuse of power at this stage of developments as far as they are visible.

PS I was writing this after the initial post by epiphemi, and did not see the posts in between that throw more light on the matter

[cantaloupe]

St Clair seems like he's into money and power. Everything is "high level" with him and his clients, or so he says. He always felt like somewhat of a charlatan, a bit too polished. Betrayal is sad though.

[dolphin]

I have no problem with him being gone...I had a bad vibe about him.
He did not seem very genuine...
Only my opinion.


i came across some very interesting info re. michael st. clair. i've listened to many interviews of peggy kane who is a specialist in reverse speech analysis. it is a way to measure the veracity of one's talk or speech. on her website, she mentions st. clair as being "deceptive", especially when he talks about the nordics. here is the link to her site which talks about msc:
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/20...p-information/

peggy kane' interviews on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QDO8...F4B41&index=39

she deals a lot w reptilian info., planet x, etc.

Below is what peggy kane wrote:
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/20...p-information/

"Yesterday I listened to Michael St. Clair (Whom I have reversed before and found to be very deceptive, check Individuals Reversed) on Coast to Coast a few nights ago (Jan.4 or 5). He is an elitist-type, from Europe, an astrologer, psychic and contactee for the so-called Nordics. Since the UFO literature is filled with disinformation about the Nordics being from the Pleiades and all of that nonsense, I thought reversing would be enlightening although the astute people here are already clued in. Still we have new people all the time and so I like to clear things up occasionally.

But while reversing, Mr. St. Clair also gave very key information about what is happening on the other side with the clean up operation. I’ll be putting all of this up later today.

Meanwhile, here is some of the disinformation about the (ahem) Nordics being from the Pleiades. We’ll see how the reptilian-Nordic pretenders treated Michael St. Clair for his service in spreading their lies.

That will also be coming up later. But here is what is commonly believed about the so-called Nordics."
------------
my gut had felt something wasn't quite right.

for instance w michael st. clair, whom i originally admired, when he conflicted his take on the nordics w other et contactee's testimony...that they are NOT benevolent.

and 2nd: when he predicted (promoted) PALIN of all people for the vice presidential nomination!

and 3rd: when he said that the art paintings on the wingmaker's material is "high art'...i have an MFA, masters in art and studied a lot of art history to know (as I am also an artist) that it is NOT high art, rather naive art!
Wingmakers doesn't resonate with me- I never manage to get past the first couple of web pages.

i think reverse speech is similar to muscle testing because the body cannot lie, even if you consciously want to, your subconscious won't allow you to. all lies manifest in some way.

i know that peggy kane will not be a welcome insight as we all probably want to believe in people like wilcock and st. claire. but i think this has taught me a lesson to question everything bec we all can be fooled by the mere fact that we so much want to believe these people.
i think they mix truth w untruth and egos then get ahead of even them.

no one has all the answers, it is within each of us individually.

[DoctorWho]

I think this all stems from Election Night when Obama/Biden won and St. Clair said it would be McCain/Palin. When they did the phone interview the next day, you could tell there was some "at odds" stuff going on.
Bill "the Doctor"

[Carol]

I do agree with dolphin as I've been involved with reverse speech for years and one can sense with their gut what is really being said as compared to just listening to the spoken word. There are times that the words do not match up with what is felt in the gut.

It would not surprise me if Kerry were the one who wrote the Camelot response.

[Luminari]

To his credit I bought St Clair's Zen of Stars book in 2007 and it was very good though maybe it didn't quite live up to the hype, I still recommend it.

His books are quite expensive, over-priced like david icke's books (love David Icke :thumb_yello: but he is very greedy when it comes to putting a price on his books, I admit they are worth it but still $50 per book when you are supposed to be helping people is a bit rich).

I warn all of you! Do not buy St Clair's second book 'Forseen Beyond Time'

I was absolutely horrified when it arrived in the mail.. and I found out this expensive book I had sacrificed food to buy was fiction (shock, horror... i dont read fiction, life is too short) and wasn't even 150 pages long. I thought 'ok I'll give it a chance' but it was the biggest load of crapola ever.

Mr moneybags then releases the same 2 books mentioned above AGAIN as 1 book titled 'Lightseeds' with another high pricetag.

I do like St Clair though despite all this.. he is a little vague but not sinister.

Zen of Stars :thumb_yello:

[Luminari]

I think this all stems from Election Night when Obama/Biden won and St. Clair said it would be McCain/Palin. When they did the phone interview the next day, you could tell there was some "at odds" stuff going on.
Bill "the Doctor"

I agree.. I remember St Clair going on about 'president Palin'.... after McCain has his next heart attack.

How lucky are we that Obama got in instead... why cant all the Obama bashers on rense be a little grateful that the nazi's and oil mafia aren't in office anymore.

[Dominic]

i came across some very interesting info re. michael st. clair. i've listened to many interviews of peggy kane who is a specialist in reverse speech analysis. it is a way to measure the veracity of one's talk or speech.

i think reverse speech is similar to muscle testing because the body cannot lie, even if you consciously want to, your subconscious won't allow you to. all lies manifest in some way.



You guy's are catching on to the reverse speech. I was shot down on another thread for even bringing it up. I have checked it out thoroughly and it is real.

My gut told me something about him but, I gave him my attention.

[orthodoxymoron]

The subjects and people who are found on Camelot and Avalon are generally controversial...so conflict is part of the territory. :nono::mad3::thumbdown::thumb_yello::tongue2:I consider what I read and hear to be part of the puzzle...not the whole truth...and nothing but the truth. Friends are friends...until they become a pain in the ass! I wish I had a handler! How 'bout it Bill?

[burgundia]

In a recent radio interview (I forgot with who) I heard somebody saying that it seems that people in these circuits are being set up against each other:
Jones vs Rense, Icke vs ?, Alan watts vs ? etc. And know we see this one.
St. Clair is not my favorite, but I listen to what he has to say once in a while but I am not going to focus on him. The same for David Wilcock. They are not my leading stars, but I'm not trying to bash them. Also Bill and Kerry have stands and follow ways that would not be my primary choices, still I consider what they are doing valuable and I appreciate.

Here on the forum we have recently have threads with pro-contra fights about Peggy Kane and Alex Jones not to speak about members bashing each other.
It reminds me of this Tom Bearden interview were he talks about the ways the PTB use to neutralize free-energy inventors, also referred to in the latest Camelot interview with Wade Frazier. The first thing they do Bearden explains there is that they make an in dept study of the person, a psychological profile and with that they know exactly how they best can manipulate and neutralize that researcher. Put a certain person in their life, bribe, use their pride or honesty; whatever serves the purpose. It is wise to be aware of this.

It is also wise to consider what Stewart Swerdlow recentlly said, that the PTB at the moment are putting out mindcontrol frequencies that stimulate anger and dispute.

Furthermore I consider it wise to do what Jim Marrs said a couple of years ago. When he hears certain information he puts it in a "Ahum" file; meaning that he keeps it in mind, doesn't accept it or accept it fully, but also doesn't disregard it fully: he waits for more information to make up his mind about it.
That's what I did for example with the GFL messages and finally I made up my mind. Peggy Kane, Dan Burisch and Ben Fullford are in my "ahum" at the moment.

To B&K I would say. I find your reaction a bit strong and I don't like you parenting us. I mean you have all the right to defend yourself and to criticize and to stop endorsing, but what you did with :ban: I consider to be an overkill and almost misuse of power at this stage of developments as far as they are visible.

PS I was writing this after the initial post by epiphemi, and did not see the posts in between that throw more light on the matter
I really resonate with what you wrote about "ahum" thing, about not accepting and nor disregarding fully...I am like a big sponge, absorbing but careful with judging...

[Myplanet2]

I enjoyed reading the responses so far.

everything I would say, I see already here. I like the "take everything with a grain of salt" attitude.

This discussion would have been MUCH different in Sept 08 when this forum was new. we've come a long way and should acknowledge our progress towards electing ourselves as our own leaders.

Everyone speaks from their own viewpoint (unless they are play acting or something is wrong with them). Peggy's comments quoted above, I see as coming from her. Michael's comments, I see as his. It's just people saying what they think or have seen, or have been told. We're all just trying to learn and teach as the case may be.

It's fun.

[Steve_A]

Hi EpiphaMe,

Well that Camelot thing really suprises me on so many levels.

Firstly, I was led to beleive that St. Clair could predict the future. Didn't he see this coming?

Secondly, the information that he was producing is supposed to be so important for the future of mankind, that he knows all about when and where it will all end, and because of a tiff, it has been removed from a popular site on the internet. What does that really say about either the genuine quality of the the information, or the site?

The comment that St. Clair wasn't supporting the work of Camelot speaks volumes. Are these theorists obliged to stick together and endorse each other to be the absolute truth tellers, or are they free to say what they truely beleive.

I don't support Manchester United, but I do enjoy a good game of football. Would Manchester United ban me from entering Old Trafford, even if I said I thought they were **** (St. Clair never said this about Camelot by the way)?

I really do beleive that there are good guys out there who know confidential stuff about what's going on behind the scenes, but there are a lot of poo merchants out there, I could name quite a few, I could even write a book about them - that could make some money - blowing the lid off a lot of conspiracy / UFO / aductee theorists.

Now that would put a cat amongst the pigeons.

Of course we can't forget that the world is changing every day now and the public is beginning to become frustrated, not by what is happening, but by what is not happening.

We were told that the stock market would totally collapse and it seems to be rallying, or that the great US$ would collapse, but it just seems to be keeping its' value even though the FED is pumping more of the currency on the market, or that WWIII will happen, but the world is just concentrating on economies, with no time to look for a fight.

We were told that visitors will come and save the Earth on a certain day, but it seems that they were washing their hair on that day and couldn't make it.

We were promissed a false flag operation..... and so the list goes on. People apear to be getting over frustrated by the wait.

That must hurt the bottom line on these theorists don't you think? When the going gets tough, people do all sorts of crazy stuff to one another.

That's a theory to work on.

Best regards,

Steve




I just happened to stop by Camelot today, and lo and behold, there is a statement today by Camelot (Bill & Kerry) in response to Cliff High's interview with Michael St Clair wherein St Clair casually mentions that Bill is Kerry's handler...

that is mind control vocabulary.

[franciejones]

Wow! I am somewhat shocked. I do not know that this is helpful to remove interviews...but alas it is not my site....I think I will follow Jim Marrs' example and put it all into my "ahum" file.

[franciejones]

I do agree with dolphin as I've been involved with reverse speech for years and one can sense with their gut what is really being said as compared to just listening to the spoken word. There are times that the words do not match up with what is felt in the gut.

It would not surprise me if Kerry were the one who wrote the Camelot response.

Why do you say this? You cannot know this unless Kerry says that.

[dagon]

I never liked him from the start. seemed to me he was working an angle. the vibe I was feeling is that he is trying to position him self to profit from this time of change. he was either vague or wrong most of the time. and seems to hover around power and money structures. red flag in my mind. no big loss. just a charlatan. how does it feel st clair. now that you can hear our voices.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiYbGsnzG_s

I see throw you.

[dagon]

Why do you say this? You cannot know this unless Kerry says that.


who cares. carol is not clamming to know anything. its just a response. and her opinion. Kerry doesn't need your protection. she is a big girl. I do understand your thoughts though. :original:

[sun-toon´]

In a recent radio interview (I forgot with who) I heard somebody saying that it seems that people in these circuits are being set up against each other:
Jones vs Rense, Icke vs ?, Alan watts vs ? etc. And know we see this one.
St. Clair is not my favorite, but I listen to what he has to say once in a while but I am not going to focus on him. The same for David Wilcock. They are not my leading stars, but I'm not trying to bash them. Also Bill and Kerry have stands and follow ways that would not be my primary choices, still I consider what they are doing valuable and I appreciate.

It reminds me of this Tom Bearden interview were he talks about the ways the PTB use to neutralize free-energy inventors, also referred to in the latest Camelot interview with Wade Frazier. The first thing they do Bearden explains there is that they make an in dept study of the person, a psychological profile and with that they know exactly how they best can manipulate and neutralize that researcher. Put a certain person in their life, bribe, use their pride or honesty; whatever serves the purpose. It is wise to be aware of this.

It is also wise to consider what Stewart Swerdlow recentlly said, that the PTB at the moment are putting out mindcontrol frequencies that stimulate anger and dispute.

I have to agree with most of this. St. Clair is worth listening to, as are the rest of the people you mention. For the record I've heard things for years about Beardon and Swerdlow being disinformation agents, so I put them in the same category as the rest. We shouldn't be surprised, but ought to suspect that these people are being set up to feud with each other. Knowing this, they (and us) need to rise over such low frequency interference if we're going to evolve as we need to be doing.

I don't think B and K are parenting their audience, but they're taking St. Clair personally. Why should he have to support their paradigm in order to present his own through an interview with them? It doesn't help anyone for PC to present a researcher in a "futuretalk" interview and then delete the conversation because of hurt feelings...though I do understand that there may be more going on there. A little more light on that subject might help.

I've watched the Peggy Kane videos, but I'm still not buying into her. She's interesting, and I certainly wouldn't say there's nothing to it, but instead of only demonstrating the RS blurbs that back up her program, it would be nice to see something a little more scientific that demonstrates how it doesn't always work, and sometimes gives the opposite of the expected result...which has to be the case.

[tone3jaguar]

The interviews with St. Claire are still up on You Tube. They just removed the link to the interviews from the Camelot site. I would do the same thing if some one where trying to infer to people that I was a CIA operative. If St. Claire actually believes that then he may have been hacked by spiritual mind control. That is going on a lot around the world lately. The entities responsible for this are throwing their hail Marry's because they know it is almost the end of the season and their super bowl is on the line. They are behind and there are only a few seconds left. They are desperate.

[Sarahmay]

St. Clair is an elitist STS ass****, and it was beautiful the way he revealed his true nature.

Thank you Bill and Kerry for addressing it.

[alyscat]

I know that St. Clair was upset back when Avalon had it's lock down and the Camelot threads were locked and some were "moved to the back temporarily" and he couldn't find certain information. He has mentioned that publicly. That was the point where he set up his own site.

I listened to the Clif High conversation and the funny thing is that I missed the handler comment. I must have taken it as Bill makes the decisions about what they're going to do in their business relationships, or even that their personal relationship was one in which Bill sort of called the shots. I didn't even twig to a more nefarious meaning. Maybe I'm naive.

I tend to watch all this play out (like the dance of the shakti) - and find myself in an "ahum space," too.

We're in a massively shifting time. Everyone is on edge. I think we'll find more and more "disagreement" going on as the energies swirl. No one has asked me for my advice, but I'm going to give it. Hold onto your own centers. Become observers. START YOUR DARN GARDENS! <G>

love to all my fellow travelers
alys

[Steve_G]

Likewise. I caught the part 1h20m in where they were discussing Burisch and Camelot was mentioned, but having listened twice to that section the handler reference isn't there.

Has it been edited?

[Jnana]

I listen to a lot of people who have something to say on Project Camelot and elsewhere, even though a lot of what they have to say is clearly nonsense (to me). Nobody has all the answers. Just because someone is correct on one point, does not mean they are correct on all points. Just because someone is wrong on one point, does not mean they are wrong on all points. Even dis-information has some information content to it, especially if you know what it is they are trying to dis. It gets to be like filtering tons of mud to find the occasional flake of gold.

Having met a pretty good con-artist (and lost a few bucks to same), I know how good they are at pretending to be nice sincere people with your interest at heart. It's very difficult to distinguish such people from really nice sincere people. Similarly, flakey far out weirdos who are bad at normal human interactions can be brilliant and honest people. I use my own best judgement on who I choose to accept as worthwhile sources, and what part of what they have to say as worth keeping in the "possible" bin.

I think the Project Camelot policy of presenting interviews without necessarily endorsing the people or the content is a good one. It's unfortunate to see an interviewee removed because of a misunderstanding or conflict (whatever it was), and I hope this sort of thing does not have to happen again.

[franciejones]

Likewise. I caught the part 1h20m in where they were discussing Burisch and Camelot was mentioned, but having listened twice to that section the handler reference isn't there.

Has it been edited?


I believe it has been edited.

[Steve_G]

Thanks Francie.

[Sarahmay]

Interesting that the comment was deleted...covering the tracks. I heard it on my download.

I bought his book Light-Seeds, and found it to be an incomprehensible mish-mash, very poorly edited. That was my first clue about St. Clair.

[franciejones]

It was admittedly edited...I do not think it was sinister.....since it was admitted.

[franciejones]

The interviews with St. Claire are still up on You Tube. They just removed the link to the interviews from the Camelot site. I would do the same thing if some one where trying to infer to people that I was a CIA operative. If St. Claire actually believes that then he may have been hacked by spiritual mind control. That is going on a lot around the world lately. The entities responsible for this are throwing their hail Marry's because they know it is almost the end of the season and their super bowl is on the line. They are behind and there are only a few seconds left. They are desperate.

Wrong- I was just on You Tube and the Future Talk 2 with St. Claire is removed by user.

[Carol]

Why do you say this? You cannot know this unless Kerry says that.

Kerry is the legal owner of Camelot. Bill lives in Europe which is where he is now.

[Argante]

This is the first I have heard about this situation, and I have a couple of thoughts to convey...

The first worry I have is for Boriska. St. Clair's interest in the boy has always been a concern of mine as I have always sensed great danger and darkness for Boriska coming from St. Clair.

Secondly, St. Clair's ideal of "Not only Survive... but Thrive" has always caused me concern. That he is planning to make money off of those who survive a NWO orchestrated depopulation scenario is sickening.

Third, of course he does not approve of Kerry. She is a strong-willed, walks-tall woman who does not take **** from anyone. I bet she makes his little lizard knees shake in fear when he is near her... lol

St. Clair lost a good amount of hard work he put into Avalon when HD erased all of our back-up Camelot Witness areas. I felt very bad about that, and in a way responsible because I could not convince Bill that HD was trying to destroy Avalon. This is also when we lost John Lear due to HD being a troublemaker. John Lear would have been a huge draw for Avalon, and Project Camelot alike. To this very day, I feel B&K still hold a grudge against me for telling them the truth about St. Clair and HD. I doubt they will ever admit that I was right.... instead I was attacked and labeled a traitor to Avalon for trying to protect her.

I still admire B&K for what they do, and are doing. They just ran into a couple of smooth talking con-men who have derailed them for awhile. Make no doubt about it... they will be back stronger, smarter, and deeper than ever once they loose their ties to the bad karma boys (HD and St. Clair)

I assume this post will be censored... so copy and paste if you want to keep it.

Brightest of Blessings to all...

[Myplanet2]

That's some pretty wild speculation. I don't see any of it.


This is the first I have heard about this situation, and I have a couple of thoughts to convey...

The first worry I have is for Boriska. St. Clair's interest in the boy has always been a concern of mine as I have always sensed great danger and darkness for Boriska coming from St. Clair.

Secondly, St. Clair's ideal of "Not only Survive... but Thrive" has always caused me concern. That he is planning to make money off of those who survive a NWO orchestrated depopulation scenario is sickening.

Third, of course he does not approve of Kerry. She is a strong-willed, walks-tall woman who does not take **** from anyone. I bet she makes his little lizard knees shake in fear when he is near her... lol

St. Clair lost a good amount of hard work he put into Avalon when HD erased all of our back-up Camelot Witness areas. I felt very bad about that, and in a way responsible because I could not convince Bill that HD was trying to destroy Avalon. This is also when we lost John Lear due to HD being a troublemaker. John Lear would have been a huge draw for Avalon, and Project Camelot alike. To this very day, I feel B&K still hold a grudge against me for telling them the truth about St. Clair and HD. I doubt they will ever admit that I was right.... instead I was attacked and labeled a traitor to Avalon for trying to protect her.

I still admire B&K for what they do, and are doing. They just ran into a couple of smooth talking con-men who have derailed them for awhile. Make no doubt about it... they will be back stronger, smarter, and deeper than ever once they loose their ties to the bad karma boys (HD and St. Clair)

I assume this post will be censored... so copy and paste if you want to keep it.

Brightest of Blessings to all...

[franciejones]

I tend to watch all this play out (like the dance of the shakti) - and find myself in an "ahum space," too.

We're in a massively shifting time. Everyone is on edge. I think we'll find more and more "disagreement" going on as the energies swirl. No one has asked me for my advice, but I'm going to give it. Hold onto your own centers. Become observers. START YOUR DARN GARDENS! <G>

love to all my fellow travelers
alys

:) Started my garden indoors ...looking good! Ready to plant outside as soon as the weather here (Chicago area) allows for it! Going into observer mode...thanks for the reminder. Francie

[Argante]

That's some pretty wild speculation. I don't see any of it.


Not speculation... I was here and witnessed it first hand as a Super Moderator. I was able to trace the IP's, and saw what HD said in Mod Chat and on the board before he wiped everything clean. You don't see any of it because all those posts and information were censored or removed. It is far easier to attack me or my recollection of events than it is to go after HD or St. Clair.

[Myplanet2]

Well, sorry, but you are speculating and misremembering. I was there too. HD removed his own subforum. I don't believe that had anything to do with the problem that resulted in all of that lost data in the rest of the witness subforums. I seem to recall that was a forum/hosting problem, not an act of sabotage.

Your comments about Boriska being in danger from St Clair seems not to connect anywhere either. appears to be speculation as well.

An where do you get St Clair disapproving of Kerry? He said today on his forum that he and Kerry are friends.

And where do you get that B&K have a grudge against you? If I might do a little wild speculating of my own, I'd guess you don't come up with them much at all, but just as with your comments, I have no reason outside my imagination for thinking that.


Not speculation... I was here and witnessed it first hand as a Super Moderator. I was able to trace the IP's, and saw what HD said in Mod Chat and on the board before he wiped everything clean. You don't see any of it because all those posts and information were censored or removed. It is far easier to attack me or my recollection of events than it is to go after HD or St. Clair.

[kari]

I have no problem with him being gone...I had a bad vibe about him.
He did not seem very genuine...
Only my opinion.


I have had the same feeling, there was something about him that did not feel right.
Kari

[Steve_A]

Hi Myplanet2,

I was there too and I remember very well why, at that time under another name, Argante was asked to leave.

I will not be drawn into arguing the toss, but I think I can safely say that it was because she betrayed the very principal when dealing with this sort of forum..... trust.

Best regards,

Steve


Well, sorry, but you are speculating and misremembering. I was there too. HD removed his own subforum. I don't believe that had anything to do with the problem that resulted in all of that lost data in the rest of the witness subforums. I seem to recall that was a forum/hosting problem, not an act of sabotage.

Your comments about Boriska being in danger from St Clair seems not to connect anywhere either. appears to be speculation as well.

An where do you get St Clair disapproving of Kerry? He said today on his forum that he and Kerry are friends.

And where do you get that B&K have a grudge against you? If I might do a little wild speculating of my own, I'd guess you don't come up with them much at all, but just as with your comments, I have no reason outside my imagination for thinking that.

[Argante]

Hi Myplanet2,

I was there too and I remember very well why, at that time under another name, Argante was asked to leave.

I will not be drawn into arguing the toss, but I think I can safely say that it was because she betrayed the very principal when dealing with this sort of forum..... trust.

Best regards,

Steve

I agree Steve... it was a breach of trust to B&K, but I was trying to protect Avalon in whatever way I could. I also understand why you do not want to bring up what I did... because of what it says about the spirit of Avalon that was crushed because of HD's involvement in 9-11. Here we are trying to save the world... and one of our own was directly involved in the actions that resulted in the largest attack on American soil in our lifetime. Outright murder of innocent people in the name of the NWO.

Keep protecting HD from the truth of his actions. Make him out to be some kind of saviour of mankind when he is really a Babylon Boy who chose a career in which he could destroy humanity if given the chance.

How can you have a website about LOVE, TRUTH and saving mankind.... when you protect the very men who would see us all dead?

I know what I did was wrong in the eyes of many here.... but what I did I did out of love for my fellow man. I did not try to hide it... I told other moderators here immediately, and notified B&K asap.

HD and St. Clair are bad karma. I did what I could to protect Avalon and her members from their lies.

What's your excuse?

[Myplanet2]

I don't believe this statement should be left standing if it is false: "St. Clair lost a good amount of hard work he put into Avalon when HD erased all of our back-up Camelot Witness areas." (Argante)

My recollection is that it was a forum problem. The forum host, I believe. I also recall Michael St Clair misunderstanding what happened, and thinking the removal of the material was deliberate.

Hi Myplanet2,

I was there too and I remember very well why, at that time under another name, Argante was asked to leave.

I will not be drawn into arguing the toss, but I think I can safely say that it was because she betrayed the very principal when dealing with this sort of forum..... trust.

Best regards,

Steve

[Steve_A]

Hi Argante,

Once again I don't want to be drawn into an argument.

First of all you couldn't be sure if HD was HD, just as you don't know who I say I am.

I cannot be held responsible for what a person posts on the web.

I'm sure, however, you realized that George Bush was partly responsible, as was Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and the twin towers owner (I can't remember his name). Have you done anyhting about that?

Also I imagine that you must have continued to press even civil charges against HD at the very least, after all you had a confession for goodness sake.

Did you do any of those things as a concerned patriot, or did you just mouth off a short while and then blend back in with the population.

Before you ask me if I fight against governments, I can proudly say yes, where I am here in Brazil: http://www3.trf5.jus.br/ Process number: 2005.83.00.010436-8

So as you can see, I do stand up to the big boys, when I have the evidence to prove the point, but I'm also extremely loyal to a cause I support.

Best regards,

Steve





I agree Steve... it was a breach of trust to B&K, but I was trying to protect Avalon in whatever way I could. I also understand why you do not want to bring up what I did... because of what it says about the spirit of Avalon that was crushed because of HD's involvement in 9-11. Here we are trying to save the world... and one of our own was directly involved in the actions that resulted in the largest attack on American soil in our lifetime. Outright murder of innocent people in the name of the NWO.

[recallone]

Too much ego. Period.

The riff that's been announced between St.Clair and Kerry/Bill/Camelot is a result of ego. I've watched many interviews on Camelot and I've seen a number of examples that nod to Kerry's ego. St.Clair's ego is also quite prominent. I tried to read Light Seeds, but I couldn't bear wading through his ego to get to 'the good stuff' that other people were talking about. But I don't put either one of them on a pedestal or consider one of them more advanced than another. They're just different.

I had a feeling that something like this would eventually happen, and I don't have any desire whatsoever to say one or the other is at fault for their conduct. Just as anyone's testimony should be tossed into the same bin of 'stuff' without assigning it a label of right, wrong, disinformation, comprimised, etc...so should this episode between St. Clair and Kerry (& Bill, Camelot, whatever). Everyone jumping in with their announced "side" is more of the same division that's been poisoning us! Who gives a $hit, really?!

I don't see how this scene can be used to back up Peggy's little hobby, nor how it deserves the exhumation of early Avalon moderator problems. More ego to say "I'm right, you're wrong". It happened. There it is. Let it go. Throwing more flammables into the mix isn't serving any of us on a collective level, but slipping back into the programming of yesteryear that intentionally divides us. :mad3:

If your two best friends get into a fight, do you pick one to side with? Or do you keep your mouth shut and let them come to their senses and apologize for saying things they really didn't mean to begin with? People say mean things when they're mad. People exaggerate to make their point when they're mad. Forgive people for being people, I say. Let he who is without fault be the first to cast a stone.

[tone3jaguar]

"HD and St. Clair are bad karma"

Judging others as having bad karma is like blending fundamental Christianity with Buddhism. So and so should not be here because they have bad karma? I guess you are the Karma police. Last I heard the universe takes care of that.

[franciejones]

well, i for one am so darn confused. kerry just posted on Camelot front page and now i feel confused all over again. I wish the St. Clair videos would have stayed...dont know how to feel about it, but it feels icky and its a bummer

[Phtha]

I've watched many interviews on Camelot and I've seen a number of examples that nod to Kerry's ego. St.Clair's ego is also quite prominent.

The difference though is that Kerry is here to teach and learn with all of us. St.Clair pretends he is some enlightened being here to save anyone who will follow his ways, and give him money. Kerry (and Bill of course) offer what they do for free, even at great cost to their personal savings, they don't sell their videos at project camelot, nor do they preach to people about what they have learned. They want to get the word out first rather then rich first. Even at the cost of ridicule, which is destined to follow anyone who puts themselves in the public spectrum, more so when dealing with subjects that camelot does.

All these actions concerning Bill and Kerry are to me, a very non egocentric way to do things.

[unlimited mind]

the interview with Clif was an outrageous interview, chock full of so much solution oriented information that it makes you spin. it was shared with the world for that very reason. Clif and Michael both have shared freely with the world, to better the world.

the project camelot site is chock full of stuff that was predicted and never happened and there are plenty of threads here to prove it, especially in regards to the folks that were mentioned in this interview. as more and more veils are lifted from our eyes, more and more will be uncovered.

i am a bit stunned by the removal of Michael's information, and the reaction made by Bill, on PC. it is highly likely that this situation is going to FURTHER unfold into uncharted territory. this is reactionary consciousness being enacted in front of millions of people. we can all learn from this.

try not to chew the end of your shoe off with unsubstaniated claims and assumptions. and by all means, find your center when discerning information. no matter where it comes from.

[Carmen]

That Stand By Me music if fabulous!! Thanks Kerry

[Zeddo]

To resort to name calling, to stand in judgement and to get all emotional about this issue makes you no better than the person/entity you are condemning.
Personally I feel it is time to take that leap of faith and realise that there is after all only one reality and that is (as Icke says) Infinite Love, the rest is balderdash anyway.
:zip:

[jazzgad]

I got into something reading those comments
,we are here to develop enough to connect with our own divine self
And in the process solve any difficulties and perceived flaws with this reality .
But many people are still waiting that it is going to be someone else that will save us .
Be it Christ coming back ,or other God or maybe ET ‘s or new unknown energy from center of our galaxy
Coming our way .Or perhaps if we read all about 2012 ,and all that literature about human enlightenment
O yes man if we read enough ,if we understand enough ,then we definitely will be saved ,and our planet too.
That is so easy to explain cult like fallowing authors of spiritual books like N D Walsch ,Gorge Green
David Wilcock or Michael St Clair
no longer friend of this forum and drama associated with that drama so to speak

Even Kerry is to some extend attached to egoistic gratification to be right in predicting something
That might happened in the future ,but I m sure from her perspective the work is wholly altruistic
( to warned us from incoming cataclysm)
But if it was so ,she would not be involved with characters like Michael St Clair
Only her mixed karma and intentions are allowing her to be involve with charlatans like him .

I m to say that everything can be used as smoke and mirrors if we as creators are not aware
Of our total intentions ,this forum ,project Camelot ,and many ,many chanelers
Are too ,to the extent that motives and intentions are not pure the information that is coming thru
is also tainted and use for STS agenda .and since most of new information about
Higher densities or our future and spirituality overall is channeled one way or another
All those books need to examined in each individual heart if they resonate
With own truth or not .


It is hard for us to accept responsibility that only we individually by spiritual growth and enlightening
Are responsible for ourself and our world , we been doing it for ages other way around , being programmed
To relinquish that responsibility to others ,in process relinquishing control to others more intelligent
Spiritually developed or what not ,but no truly spiritually developed being would accept such a responsibility
Knowing that those lessons of responsibility for each choices in creating individual reality are very important in mastering power of
One Infinite Creator of the entire Universe ,which power is natural gift of each soul but is needed to be mastered .
Only those that are only wise in one aspect of the creator are capable and willing to accept responsibility
To take our choices in their hands to gain more power for themselves .
(one of the choice is deciding for us how the reality really looks
and even sell their spin of of reality for big money )
And that is perfectly ok ,as long we are aware is controlling intentions of those dark energy Iluminati .
And are able to say ,no thank you my buck of responsibility for creating my reality stops here with me and so is my responsibility to look for truth
and listen to our heart .

[Orion11]

the first interview i ever watched with him,
only got about 15 minutes in before i figured out that i can live without the vibrations he puts out. lol

always given off shady vibes in my opinion.

well, theres my penny. lol

[PK47]

Im not sure about Michael but Stewart Swerdlow clearly stated in his book "Blue Blood, True Blood" that St. Clair (Sinclair) is one of the 13 ruling Illuminati families (Reptilian-Human hybrids). I believe Stewart more than most people because I have read almost all of his books and the information that he provides are out of this world and out of conceivable understanding even for many truth seekers!!!!!!!!! :tongue2: :thumb_yello:

[Malletzky]

Oh dear, this is kind of surprise for me...but hey, it is another proof that nothing last forever...I had a feeling that something's wrong out there...and I still have the same feeling.

Below is an excerpt of my post from 6.11.2008 about this...

__________________________________________________ __

...I would totaly agree, and as I already said in my previous posts, there's no need to fear of anything.
We're all on our own path, right here and right now. So we shouldn't just blindly believe to those "whistleblowers", prophets, just name it...All we have to do is to find our thruth inside of us. With each decision we change our timeline.

As to some of the named people here, I couldn't tell why they preach doom & gloom. It's their own right.

But I surely took some time and studied St. Clair and his work.
I believe he knows much more then he's telling in his interviews.
I guess he really have an access to another dimensional planes or timelines, and what he see there is what he tells us. By I have a strong feeling he withheld some informations. What purpose for? Profit? Gear? Fear?

But this timeline is surely not my timeline.

If he's on a spiritual path, why would he advising "good" clients to buy gold, silver, why would he advise them (and us) to move to a safer zone?
The only conclusion is, these people are more on a material path. And they maybe know what's comming in their own timelines, to which they have an access to!

Well thanks for their good intentions, realy. But do it better! Do it by not seeding fear, doom & gloom here!
Do it by seeding love, do it by giving solutions for every human soul on this planet. Not only for the "choosen" one!....

__________________________________________________ ___________

You can read the original here: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=72358#post72358

with:wub2:
:wub2:malletzky

[DoctorWho]

My issue with St. Clair was when you asked him a question, sometimes, he would say "read my books." Now I can understand that since English is not his first language, that the book referencing is OK. But in a lot of his posts, he still sold his books and his website even if they weren't really relevant to the discussions. A lot of people from this forum hooked up with him and joined his own forum, which I was one. It's just a really confusing layout and I can't follow it anymore.
Bill "the Doctor"

[burgundia]

I believe Stewart more than most people because I have read almost all of his books and the information that he provides are out of this world and out of conceivable understanding even for many truth seekers!!!!!!!!! :tongue2: :thumb_yello:

it could also be a reason for not believing him...just a remark.

[franciejones]

After all I read and all was said and done....I just feel "screwed with" by all involved. Not blaming anyone, but it seems it was all just a big game. Very disappointing. I "follow" no one....I would be very disappointed if any other videos were removed. Afterall...Camelot posted this:

A NOTE ABOUT WHISTLEBLOWERS AND RESEARCHERS that you find on these pages:

We, Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan, do not necessarily agree with or endorse all of the views presented here. What Camelot is about is the investigation into the mysteries that surround us. We are all, in a sense, investigators of our world. And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth. --31 December 2008

And it would seem that removing videos somewhat contradicts the above statement. Very bothersome. And if it does not matter what others say according to the April 14 post...then why remove any interviews??? My two cents.

[Seashore]

And if it does not matter what others say according to the April 14 post...then why remove any interviews???

I'm wondering about this also.

[Sarahmay]

To resort to name calling, to stand in judgement and to get all emotional about this issue makes you no better than the person/entity you are condemning.
Personally I feel it is time to take that leap of faith and realise that there is after all only one reality and that is (as Icke says) Infinite Love, the rest is balderdash anyway.
:zip:

That is quite easy to say when it is not you who has been accused of being mind controlled and having a "handler". When it happens to you, being dissed in such a public manner by someone you considered a friend, get back to us and let us know how you feel. It's called being human.

As for taking the interviews off, I quite understand that Bill and Kerry no longer want to support St. Clair's work...they have sent a lot of paying customers his way, and if they are not resonating with him or his work they should not endorse him.

St. Clair very much brought this upon himself...this is who he is. Good for us to know.

[dagon]

my higher self says, if one wants to read or se a video from st clair/ one could go to his web site or read his books. nothing is really lost. camelot is just not supporting st clair. its really quite simple. he still has a platform. just not here. who are we to decide this or question B + K. we don't even know the whole story. just bits and peaces.

I personally don't feel like I have been screwed or feel like a victim. its not my board. and I support B and K. love your work.

have you ever gone to a store or restaurant and there is a sign on the wall that says. we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. this means if you miss behave. you will be asked to leave.

if one of us just started bashing B and K. and talking smack. one might be asked to leave or banned from the site. and this go's of us as well. if I just started attacking another member of camelot. repeatedly. you can expect to get kicked off.

[orthodoxymoron]

B&K can do whatever they want. They don't have to do anything. They are not doormats or potted plants. All of this is basically a volunteer activity...by the founders and participants. We don't know the whole story...and it's probably none of our business. This is a friction and conflict generating area of research...and problems are inevitable. I believe we are in the middle of a spiritual war...with the future of humanity hanging in the balance. This isn't a sunday school picnic.

[waitinginthewings]

my higher self says, if one wants to read or se a video from st clair/ one could go to his web site or read his books. nothing is really lost. camelot is just not supporting st clair. its really quite simple. he still has a platform. just not here. who are we to decide this or question B + K. we don't even know the whole story. just bits and peaces.

I personally don't feel like I have been screwed or feel like a victim. its not my board. and I support B and K. love your work.

have you ever gone to a store or restaurant and there is a sign on the wall that says. we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. this means if you miss behave. you will be asked to leave.

if one of us just started bashing B and K. and talking smack. one might be asked to leave or banned from the site. and this go's of us as well. if I just started attacking another member of camelot. repeatedly. you can expect to get kicked off.



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[THE eXchanger]

we all had better jump into the 2020 timeline
and, forget all this bickering,
and, all this fighting, it is, absolutely senseless !!!

ironically, it goes with the 2009 timeline,
along with the 2011 timeline,
so, why don't we resolve
to step beyond that !!!

otherwise, the old "dark" mists of avalon,
are going to repeat themselves
(and, NONE of us, what to repeat that) !!!

why don't we resolve to write a "new" script,
and, move above, and, beyond that,
and, all rise, in consciousness ...
EVERY LAST ONE OF US !!!

this isn't about ONE, or TWO, or THREE,
that are here, on this planet,
this is, about all of us,
EVERY LAST ONE OF US !!!

i am here, to help everyone, including myself !!!

it is really sad, that, we have to waste our good energy,
to deal, with these types of battles,
SO, why do we NOT all get on one side of it,
and, really PUSH !!!

PUSH POSTIVELY -- WE ARE ALMOST THERE !!!

The change we want to see in the world,
is us, all of US !!!

WHY DON'T WE RESOLVE, TO BE JUST THAT !!!

RELEASE, FORGIVE, AND, MOVE FORWARD !!!

[Humble Janitor]

How lucky are we that Obama got in instead... why cant all the Obama bashers on rense be a little grateful that the nazi's and oil mafia aren't in office anymore.

Because they're still stuck in the old paradigm, more concerned about keeping their guns and not paying taxes.

I have a feeling that they wouldn't be supporting McCain either if he had gotten in.

The system is flawed, has always been flawed and always will be flawed. Time to leave it in the dust. :thumb_yello:

[Humble Janitor]

Im not sure about Michael but Stewart Swerdlow clearly stated in his book "Blue Blood, True Blood" that St. Clair (Sinclair) is one of the 13 ruling Illuminati families (Reptilian-Human hybrids). I believe Stewart more than most people because I have read almost all of his books and the information that he provides are out of this world and out of conceivable understanding even for many truth seekers!!!!!!!!! :tongue2: :thumb_yello:

So Sir.Clive Sinclair is part of the illuminati? :lmao::lmfao:

(Brits should get this reference)

[EpiphaMe]

I just lost words that I spent a few minutes writing... so I'll bottom line it...

I will resign my subscription early May when this month is expires... that means I will be in lurker mode only.

This decision is made because I am just sooo tired!!!

I started this thread because I listened to the March St Claire interview of Cliff High and I just KNEW there would be serious repercussions, not even being aware of any other instances of fluff between Camelot & Claire.

I've just about heard it all now. I'm focusing on the FACT that the economy is going tits up.... I am NOT WISE enough to think or negotiate surviving a mass solar ejection or knowing who to trust about pole shift, thank you very much!

I accept where i am and am doing what I can to be off the grid... and feed ourselves.

I am just soooooooooooo tired, I'm tired, sick n tired of all this rubbish. At the outset of Avalon... it was scripted that "yes, we already know enough to make preparations"... let's network"

Fact is,... we can't trust strangers... we won't relocate, most can't afford to... we are HERE NOW... let's, well, dang, the birds are singing outside, the leaves are sprouting on the trees... I'm going back into the sunshine.

I'm just tired of all the views everyone has.....
I have enough to deal all my own.
I will be fine.
I wish you all well.

Heartfelts!

[Surial]

I have a new title to this thread called, "As the Round Table Turns." lol

People love drama. It is too tempting. In regards to St. Clair, he is just a writer selling books. There is no relevance to this subject to the networking goal we have here at Avalon. Although it does make good entertainment.

It is interesting to read the overall reactions in this forum. However, we are all here for different reasons. I am sure we can focus our energies to more productive topics in the near future.

Remember that you are also important in this big puzzle. If we get side tracked with who knows what and what is the truth from external sources, this could distract on your own internal experiences of what you have experienced as the truth for yourselves. You are on a journey. Not one person is more important in creating value to your own experiences. Step aside and realize that there are many people in the 2012 business that are making money off of dire future predictions.

But isn't the main idea to realize that we are spiritually evolving and awakening to new ideas of our own? Aren't we here to share these new concepts to better humanity?

[orthodoxymoron]

The truth will set you free...but first it will **** you off...and make you sick and tired of all the opinions and personalities. If we could see into other dimensions...we might very well see invisible entities battling for our minds and souls. Constant exposure to this stuff will wear a person down. As the roundtable turns...the stomach churns. Recreation, exercise, and rest...preferably in nature...may accomplish a lot more good than fighting on the internet!

[feeler]

Afterall...Camelot posted this:

A NOTE ABOUT WHISTLEBLOWERS AND RESEARCHERS that you find on these pages:

We, Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan, do not necessarily agree with or endorse all of the views presented here. What Camelot is about is the investigation into the mysteries that surround us. We are all, in a sense, investigators of our world. And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth. --31 December 2008

And it would seem that removing videos somewhat contradicts the above statement. Very bothersome. And if it does not matter what others say according to the April 14 post...then why remove any interviews??? My two cents.

I share the same sentiment with you franciejones.

Kerry and Bill just demonstrated their hypocrisy. They can bring their proven attitude along if they get the offer to join the Illuminati. I don't buy into the excuse: "Oh Kerry and Bill are only human." The Illuminati are human too. Imagine Kerry and Bill gaining additional power. Who will be eliminated next? Clif High? Not only Clif High allowed himself to be interviewed by their adversary, Clif exposed Bill Deagle and Dan Bursch as disinfo agents. Woudn't that "offend" Kerry and Bill to the nth degree?

[franciejones]

feeler-I would like to respond to this.

I must wait and think first as I have some more insight into this now from St Clair's zone and from a private conversation with Bill Ryan.

I think that it is certain that when posting here on Avalon, I spoke too soon and too critically without knowing some background first.

I can say right now that Mr. St. Clair has only in the last hour posted some VERY VERY nasty words on his site and I am shocked by his words/behavior.

Had I witnessed this first, I would NEVER have doubted Bill and Kerry's decision to remove the videos with Michael St. Clair. I must think first and then share later as I have embarrassed myself thus far and do not want to do so again if I can avoid it.

[Phtha]

Just for the sake of correction, Bill and Kerry state very clearly they don't necessarily believe everything or even anything regarding the content discussed in the Camelot interviews.

I would imagine they are thankful for the information.

I share the same sentiment with you franciejones.
Who will be eliminated next? Clif High? Not only Clif High allowed himself to be interviewed by their adversary, Clif exposed Bill Deagle and Dan Bursch as disinfo agents. Woudn't that "offend" Kerry and Bill to the nth degree?

[Jacqui D]

Im not sure about Michael but Stewart Swerdlow clearly stated in his book "Blue Blood, True Blood" that St. Clair (Sinclair) is one of the 13 ruling Illuminati families (Reptilian-Human hybrids). I believe Stewart more than most people because I have read almost all of his books and the information that he provides are out of this world and out of conceivable understanding even for many truth seekers!!!!!!!!! :tongue2: :thumb_yello:


Your right there PK47 that said it for me and the whole swiss thing just gives me the shivers!

[Dantheman62]

Perpetual; Adj. Lasting or continuing forever. As in......
A perpetual thread. or.....
Perpetual opinions. or....
Perpetually LOL.

[Lorien]

I'm not sure why everyone is turning this around and trying to make Bill and Kerry seems like hypocrites, because they are not. Let me give you an analogy to make it easier to understand.

Lets say you ran a market which consisted of different vendors. You let those vendors sell whatever they wanted, even if you didn't support that product. Now lets say one of your vendors started going to all your customers outside of the market and started telling them all that you were a child molester and nobody should buy anything from your market. I'm not sure about you but if this happened your damn right I'm gonna send em packing.

Being open minded and supporting someone whether you believe there tales is one thing, but when they start publicly insulting you, you have to draw the line.

[EpiphaMe]

so FrancieJones... would you kindly provide a link to this "latest" nasty that you speak of?

[alyscat]

Michael St. Clair has a Radiant Zone group.

I think you can google it. Whether you will consider the information "nasty" or not, probably depends on your perception. It would appear that St. Clair has a lot of respect for Kerry, not so much for Bill.

[feeler]

Just for the sake of correction, Bill and Kerry state very clearly they don't necessarily believe everything or even anything regarding the content discussed in the Camelot interviews.

I would imagine they are thankful for the information.

I resonate with your service-to-others attitude Phtha. Hope Kerry and Bill would too appreciate Clif High's expose' of Bill Deagle and Dan Bursch being disinfo agents.

-feeler

[feeler]

I can say right now that Mr. St. Clair has only in the last hour posted some VERY VERY nasty words on his site and I am shocked by his words/behavior.



To Kerry and Bill: Then why not re-post those "VERY VERY nasty words" for our information and discussion? This is the stage and opportunity for Avalon members to add Mr. St. Clair as a reference point. Why choose the route of censorship? Kerry and Bill should treat us like adults and trust our ability to discern. Don't we get enough filtering and spoonfeeding from the MSM already? Why are we here in Avalon? I'd say the majority of the Avalon members are -not- the typical sheeple. Rather, the majority of the Avalon members have developed a heightened sense of intuition. Trust us. Let us know. Let this be part of our experience.

-feeler

[Ashatav]

I have no problem with him being gone...I had a bad vibe about him.
He did not seem very genuine...
Only my opinion.


The St. Claire is on of the 13 illuminati bloodlines? What? Are you sure Mr. Springmeier? Wow, I didn't Know that!

Anyway, the NWO promoter site Wingmakers Isn't in my taste range. (just read the second Neruda interview, He Say literally that the "Bush's New World Order is what the Wingmakers Want"). :mfr_omg:

From the mouth of the Horse.

Cheers! cya mr. St. Claire! :welcomeani:

[dolphin]

The St. Claire is on of the 13 illuminati bloodlines? What? Are you sure Mr. Springmeier? Wow, I didn't Know that!

Anyway, the NWO promoter site Wingmakers Isn't in my taste range. (just read the second Neruda interview, He Say literally that the "Bush's New World Order is what the Wingmakers Want"). :mfr_omg:

From the mouth of the Horse.

Cheers! cya mr. St. Claire! :welcomeani:
wingmaker's material pushes the nwo agenda, just in a slick way!

and i guess he wants PALIN to head the NWO team as president in 2012, as he predicts she will be. i just checked his site and he has a whole blurb re. her qualifications based on her character. my god, is he serious!! :lmfao:

you would've thought he'd let that go after he so wrong in this year's election!!

....re. timelines, according to Cliff , the idea that there are variant timelines does not exist. listen to his interview w michael st. clair.

[Sarahmay]

wingmaker's material pushes the nwo agenda, just in a slick way!

and i guess he wants PALIN to head the NWO team as president in 2012, as he predicts she will be. i just checked his site and he has a whole blurb re. her qualifications based on her character. my god, is he serious!! :lmfao:

you would've thought he'd let that go after he so wrong in this year's election!!

....re. timelines, according to Cliff , the idea that there are variant timelines does not exist. listen to his interview w michael st. clair.

Yes, Sarah Palin. Really. Speaks volumes.

[franciejones]

Below are some of the statements made on Michael St. Clairs site by Michael St. Clair:
"Obama & project Camelot work for the ROTHSCHILD Queen of Engl... to dehumanize the human race -
to destroy America. Aligned with the Vatican. And so on . . . THE GREYS and worse - demonic stuff."


As for his comment in the audio as to Bill being Kerry's "handler".....St. Clair also posted this:

"It occurs to me that perhaps Kerry Cassidy is the handler of Bill Ryan, so I apoligize if I mixed it all up :-)"

There is more to it, but I am afraid I cannot follow the timing of the thread to keep it linear. I will say that it seems increasingly disturbed and desperate.

I hope this provides some insight and I must say that seeing some of what was written by St. Clair made me do an "about face" regarding wondering why Kerry and Bill removed his work...

[alyscat]

I dunno, Francie. It affects me like personality issues. Personality clashes. Sorta like we had in high school. And everyone jumps on their favorite person's side. (remember high school?)

I guess I'm still in a wait and see mode.

And in case anyone is wondering which "side" I'm on, I'm on the side of "there's heavy shirt coming down, everyone agrees on that... where's your garden??? Let's not get distracted!"

alys

[waitinginthewings]

Below are some of the statements made on Michael St. Clairs site by Michael St. Clair:
"Obama & project Camelot work for the ROTHSCHILD Queen of Engl... to dehumanize the human race -
to destroy America. Aligned with the Vatican. And so on . . . THE GREYS and worse - demonic stuff."


As for his comment in the audio as to Bill being Kerry's "handler".....St. Clair also posted this:

"It occurs to me that perhaps Kerry Cassidy is the handler of Bill Ryan, so I apoligize if I mixed it all up :-)"

There is more to it, but I am afraid I cannot follow the timing of the thread to keep it linear. I will say that it seems increasingly disturbed and desperate.

I hope this provides some insight and I must say that seeing some of what was written by St. Clair made me do an "about face" regarding wondering why Kerry and Bill removed his work...

Tks francine for posting St. Clairs comments. For some reason after I read his comments, this song came to mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbZDjnWtK1A

[Phtha]

Below are some of the statements made on Michael St. Clairs site by Michael St. Clair:
"Obama & project Camelot work for the ROTHSCHILD Queen of Engl... to dehumanize the human race -
to destroy America. Aligned with the Vatican. And so on . . . THE GREYS and worse - demonic stuff."

"It occurs to me that perhaps Kerry Cassidy is the handler of Bill Ryan, so I apoligize if I mixed it all up :-)"


Wow Mr.St.Clair, that is quite the reversal, and you were so sure that Bill was the handler only a few days ago... tsk tsk tsk. I guess my only question is... What exactly is Camelot doing to dehumanize the human race? I'd like at least 1 or 2 examples to back your claim, because I can't think of any.

[feeler]

Below are some of the statements made on Michael St. Clairs site by Michael St. Clair:
"Obama & project Camelot work for the ROTHSCHILD Queen of Engl... to dehumanize the human race -
to destroy America. Aligned with the Vatican. And so on . . . THE GREYS and worse - demonic stuff."

Thanks franciejones. I still would like to see the St. Clair's videos restored here for us to review and see if in hindsight we can detect the motivation and agenda behind. Did any of us Avalon members see this coming? If not, why? What else did we miss? At any rate, Kerry and Bill deserve an explanation from St. Clair to substantiate his accusation.

Here's an example of guilt by association that I found on the Web:

"Project Camelot is a complete psy-ops project as their interview with infamous disinformationalist Gordon Novel bears witness. Anyone interviewing such a vile man under the pretence that he’s some kind of truthsayer is duplicitous themselves to say the least. Wes should wake up to these false witnesses."

-feeler

[Phtha]

I have to agree with you feeler. I think we should get more of an explanation from Camelot as to what went down. It would certainly clear up a lot of confusion.

hmm.. would this be classified as an "alternative soap opera"?

Soapoprahfication :tears:



To Kerry and Bill: Then why not re-post those "VERY VERY nasty words" for our information and discussion? This is the stage and opportunity for Avalon members to add Mr. St. Clair as a reference point. Why choose the route of censorship? Kerry and Bill should treat us like adults and trust our ability to discern. Don't we get enough filtering and spoonfeeding from the MSM already? Why are we here in Avalon? I'd say the majority of the Avalon members are -not- the typical sheeple. Rather, the majority of the Avalon members have developed a heightened sense of intuition. Trust us. Let us know. Let this be part of our experience.

-feeler

[Avid]

Oh dear!
Is this still 'festering'?
Why can't we just stop reading into stuff for the sake of perpetuating discord?
I'm sure non of the aggrieved parties (if aggrieved at all) want to be participant in stirred-up squabbles. Irrelevant!
The messages/discourse from the past are obviously debatable - and are honestly people's views - and should not be removed from Camelots history.
We grow and grow - each learning from the other all the time.
Thank you Bill, Kerry and Michael for even more viewpoints.
Please stop this negativity and move on....
Many thanks :original::original::original:

[feeler]

Oh dear!
Please stop this negativity and move on....
Many thanks :original::original::original:

Avid, you and I didn't start it. Ignoring each other and having their own faction doesn't mean there is no negativity; it means there is a cold war going on. Through respectful dialogue, perhaps both sides can reconcile their difference and thus eliminate the negativity.

-feeler

[Jenny]

Michael St Clair is inflating his ego and he needs to put down Bill and Kerry to achieve that.

What a shame.

NB> Personal view and not a mod intervention..:original:

[deb003]

My goodness.
I just read this entire thread and went through so many different emotions!
At first, I wanted to lash our at Michael S.C., then I wanted to judge bill & Kerry, then I wanted to put them all in a room with a therapist so they could work it all out. Then i thought Michael is the Devil, no Kerry & Bill are CIA ops experiements, then I thought TPTB want to break the truth movement.
I wanted to control so much and so many people during reading this thread...
But it's good. Everything that happens always shows me what I feel and always reflects back to me.
They have their own journey Bill, Kerry, Michael, i see that I want to change it somehow, and control it.
That's what reading what happened taught me. My need to control, change, and judge others and well, of course myself...mhhhh.
Now I think...it is what it is!

[Avid]

My goodness.
I just read this entire thread and went through so many different emotions!
At first, I wanted to lash our at Michael S.C., then I wanted to judge bill & Kerry, then I wanted to put them all in a room with a therapist so they could work it all out. Then i thought Michael is the Devil, no Kerry & Bill are CIA ops experiements, then I thought TPTB want to break the truth movement.
I wanted to control so much and so many people during reading this thread...
But it's good. Everything that happens always shows me what I feel and always reflects back to me.
They have their own journey Bill, Kerry, Michael, i see that I want to change it somehow, and control it.
That's what reading what happened taught me. My need to control, change, and judge others and well, of course myself...mhhhh.
Now I think...it is what it is!

Thank goodness - landing on a 'level' playing field is such a relief:original::original:

[deb003]

Thank goodness - landing on a 'level' playing field is such a relief:original::original:

:original:
Definitely!! :original:

[Steve_A]

Hi franciejones,

I'm afraid you're way off base on this one!

The 'Project Camelot' that St. Clair refers is in fact Project Camelot of the United States Army, started in 1964.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Camelot

I'm sure that in this case, a simple misquote could really put a spanner in the works as two other people on this thread who responded, openly thanked you for the information, which was not accurate.

Imagine the people who read the post and didn't reply thinking in the same way.

Let's do the necessary research people......

Best regards,

Steve



Below are some of the statements made on Michael St. Clairs site by Michael St. Clair:
"Obama & project Camelot work for the ROTHSCHILD Queen of Engl... to dehumanize the human race -
to destroy America. Aligned with the Vatican. And so on . . . THE GREYS and worse - demonic stuff."


As for his comment in the audio as to Bill being Kerry's "handler".....St. Clair also posted this:

"It occurs to me that perhaps Kerry Cassidy is the handler of Bill Ryan, so I apoligize if I mixed it all up :-)"

There is more to it, but I am afraid I cannot follow the timing of the thread to keep it linear. I will say that it seems increasingly disturbed and desperate.

I hope this provides some insight and I must say that seeing some of what was written by St. Clair made me do an "about face" regarding wondering why Kerry and Bill removed his work...

[David]

I support Bill and Kerry's statement. I don't really care to know what said but I do know St Clair never meshed with me and my beliefs. He is one of the unknown factors that have no place.

[feeler]

I support Bill and Kerry's statement. I don't really care to know what said but I do know St Clair never meshed with me and my beliefs. He is one of the unknown factors that have no place.

David, who else that Bill and Kerry interviewed never meshed with you?

This is for my personal reference, not to put you on the spot.

Thanks.

-feeler

[David]

David, who else that Bill and Kerry interviewed never meshed with you?

This is for my personal reference, not to put you on the spot.

Thanks.

-feeler


Hi feeler, there are a couple people or more importantly ideas that have not taken to me. Without writing a novel on my view points versus some of camelots witnesses, here is a short brief list.

1. St. Clair
2. Leo Zagami
3. Gary McKinnon
4. Planet X
5. David Icke.....I come and go with a few things.

[feeler]

Hi franciejones,

I'm afraid you're way off base on this one!

The 'Project Camelot' that St. Clair refers is in fact Project Camelot of the United States Army, started in 1964.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Camelot

I'm sure that in this case, a simple misquote could really put a spanner in the works as two other people on this thread who responded, openly thanked you for the information, which was not accurate.

Imagine the people who read the post and didn't reply thinking in the same way.

Let's do the necessary research people......

Best regards,

Steve

Steve, I thanked franciejones for her time and effort posting what St. Clair posted. How to interpret what St. Clair posted is up to us.

In the past I've wondered why Kerry and Bill picked the name that has been used, not in the best of light.

I listened to the 2 hour interview between St. Clair and Clif High, and perhaps missed the reference to Kerry/Bill.

All along I find the removal hypocritical and overreactive.

The term "handler" can mean the role of a campaign manager or a popular person's advisor, as stated in the dictionaries:

- handler - an agent who handles something or someone; "the senator's campaign handlers"

- a person employed to advise a politician, celebrity, etc. on what to say or do so as to shape public opinion and thereby develop a positive public image

On the other hand, I'm not sure what St. Clair is up to. I reserve my judgment.

What's going on? We are kept in the dark. I thought the truth is important to all in our spiritual journey.

Thanks Steve.

-feeler

[sunflower]

I joined the Radiant Zone forum for a short period of time. Since I never did get around to viewing the Krishnamurti videos or buying MSC's books or resonators or signing up for consultation services I decided to leave and allow someone else to join since there seems to be a closed membership policy.

As far as Project Camelot and Project Avalon are concerned, no one has ever told me what to read or view so I would be"on the same page" as every other member.

I appreciate all the info I was able to get on Project Camelot and it's up to me to use my discernment and decide what I will resonate with or not. I never got the feeling that I had to tailor my views to fit either that of Kerry or Bill.

God bless them both!

[feeler]

I joined the Radiant Zone forum for a short period of time. Since I never did get around to viewing the Krishnamurti videos or buying MSC's books or resonators or signing up for consultation services I decided to leave and allow someone else to join since there seems to be a closed membership policy.

As far as Project Camelot and Project Avalon are concerned, no one has ever told me what to read or view so I would be"on the same page" as every other member.

I appreciate all the info I was able to get on Project Camelot and it's up to me to use my discernment and decide what I will resonate with or not. I never got the feeling that I had to tailor my views to fit either that of Kerry or Bill.

God bless them both!


I find St. Clair's approach to recruitment a tad elitist. I'm poor and unskilled (:)) so my opinion is biased admittedly.

-feeler

[feeler]

Hi feeler, there are a couple people or more importantly ideas that have not taken to me. Without writing a novel on my view points versus some of camelots witnesses, here is a short brief list.

1. St. Clair
2. Leo Zagami
3. Gary McKinnon
4. Planet X
5. David Icke.....I come and go with a few things.

David, thanks for the list. None of the five individuals is my major source of inspiration. However I'd give thanks to D Icke for his analysis of the Illuminati's methodology i.e. PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION.

-feeler

[Malletzky]

If we bear in mind that St. Clair was born in Zurich and is therefore probably german-speaking, the meaning of the world "handler" used in this case should be considered as deduction from the german meaning of the word "händler" / "handhaber", which also means "manipulation".

So who would like to be titled as a manipulator or more worst, being manipulated by someone?

malletzky

[feeler]

A NOTE ABOUT WHISTLEBLOWERS AND RESEARCHERS that you find on these pages:
We, Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan, do not necessarily agree with or endorse all of the views presented here. What Camelot is about is the investigation into the mysteries that surround us. We are all, in a sense, investigators of our world. And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth. --31 December 2008

All we will say is that the remarks he has made about us are defamatory and untrue, and we are extremely disappointed. He does not understand our mission, and has ceased to support it.


In light of the recent development, may I suggest the following addendum (IN BOLD):

And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth AS LONG AS IT IS NOT CRITICISM (OR ACCUSATION) DIRECTED TOWARDS US THAT WE DISAGREE WITH. ALL INTERVIEWEES ARE EXPECTED TO UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT OUR MISSION.

-feeler

[Czymra]

In light of the recent development, may I suggest the following addendum (IN BOLD):

And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth AS LONG AS IT IS NOT CRITICISM DIRECTED TOWARDS US THAT WE DISAGREE WITH. ALL INTERVIEWEES ARE EXPECTED TO UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT OUR MISSION.

-feeler

My thoughts exactly.

[PK47]

So Sir.Clive Sinclair is part of the illuminati? :lmao::lmfao:

(Brits should get this reference)

You never know! :lol3:

[franciejones]

Sorry Steve, I am not way off base. The thread he wrote this in was titled "the Camelot Entertainment" where he was specifically "bashing" Bill Ryan. I did not post this lightly and only did so after asking Bill Ryan if it would be helpul to shed some light. As a moderator, I thought you might be aware of this situation. I did do the neccessary research. I posted so that those who were curious and not a member of the St Clair site would have a clue as to what may be happening.

Hi franciejones,

I'm afraid you're way off base on this one!

The 'Project Camelot' that St. Clair refers is in fact Project Camelot of the United States Army, started in 1964.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Camelot

I'm sure that in this case, a simple misquote could really put a spanner in the works as two other people on this thread who responded, openly thanked you for the information, which was not accurate.

Imagine the people who read the post and didn't reply thinking in the same way.

Let's do the necessary research people......

Best regards,

Steve

[dagon]

:mfr_omg:
everybody please direct you questions to franciejones, she seems to know it all. please excuse her if she is rude. she clearly is in the know. she finds these accusations icky and nasty. and has clearly gotten to the bottom of the problems in question. as if its any of her business :nono:

[franciejones]

All I can say is "Wow dagon, if you only REALLY knew" I will wait for my reply from Bill Ryan and leave this thread to everyone to discern for themselves. It is up to each person to decide. I was only trying to help. By the way dagon, this is not the first time you have made a nasty remark/attack at my expense...you are quite the helper! Thanks so much and keep up the very very important work of getting under other peoples skin. I think the American government would find you a very useful TOOL. I use that word in ALL OF ITS MEANINGS. Love you dearest.

:)

[dagon]

you welcome. I don't clam to know anything. I just know what I see and feel. its really non of by business what B and K do. as well as what you do. take it as you will. I always look inward when somebody points out something about how I'm coming across. not at what others are doing or saying. as the round table turns. :original:

[sun-toon´]

Sorry Steve, I am not way off base. The thread he wrote this in was titled "the Camelot Entertainment" where he was specifically "bashing" Bill Ryan. I did not post this lightly and only did so after asking Bill Ryan if it would be helpul to shed some light.

Since this thread has gone on for so long, in such an energy draining manner, it seems like it would be about time for more complete transparency. All along it appeared to be a personality clash that should have been worked out between the parties involved by e-mail, or over the phone, so that all would present a more enlightened posture to their audiences...even if they're not that enlightened (because, who is?). Both St. Clair and PC have valuable information to share, and it's in their, and our, mutual interests to keep that front and center, instead of ego issues.

The worst of it are the hints at this and that, the cryptic posts on PC's page, and the parts of St. Clair's commentary taken out of context or hidden in his forum that have been posted here. They make both parties look as though they're trying to hide dirty laundry, which does nothing for the greater good that both are claiming to be aligned with.

So...in the interests of ending the distraction, it seems to me that Bill Ryan (being the subject of St. Clair's criticism), or a representative, should explain what's really up. It doesn't fly to make a statement that St. Clair is no longer on the same page with PC, who is not really supposed to have a page (or so I thought) but was simply presenting information that hopefully contained some truth. It also doesn't fly for St. Clair to be making comments (or posting links) behind the doors of his non-public forum, that are leaking into the public domain.

I don't think it would be helpful to post any more parts and pieces, out of context remarks, allusionary or cryptic statements, innuendo or subterfuge, either by the parties involved in the dispute or the interested parties here at Avalon. In other words, post it all or none of it. It's in no one's best interest to make each other or the awakening movement we're involved in, look bad...because by association it takes all of us down a level.

[Steve_A]

Hi franciejones and everybody else,

Okay here's the thing.

Franciejones is exactly right about what St. Clair said and his intentions of saying it.

I suggested that St. Clair was talking about the US Project Camelot and I was wrong.

I was asked by Bill Ryan today to correct my position.

I'm able to admit when I'm wrong and have contacted franciejones in private to apologize and explain.

You can't be right all the time. This time I wasn't. I'm man enough to recognize and admit to that.

Oh and Sun Toon, I just read your post and I think you said it all. :)

Best regards,

Steve




Sorry Steve, I am not way off base. The thread he wrote this in was titled "the Camelot Entertainment" where he was specifically "bashing" Bill Ryan. I did not post this lightly and only did so after asking Bill Ryan if it would be helpul to shed some light. As a moderator, I thought you might be aware of this situation. I did do the neccessary research. I posted so that those who were curious and not a member of the St Clair site would have a clue as to what may be happening.

[Phtha]

"Suggested" is a light way to classify what you had said in the previous post friend Steve.:tongue2: But your correction is appreciated.
I think Lorien made the best post in this thread and I share the same opinion as him.

Personally I don't feel that what is being discussed is negative or energy draining. In fact quite the opposite. We are finding out truth. I noticed many people here view truth as a negative thing. I can understand why, sometimes truth is hard to deal with as it can make us shift our perception about many things. But in the end at least we are not feeding our energy into a lie, which doesn't really exist and is darkness, and hence leaves us open to attacks of all types.

Franciejones deserves some credit, as she was upset with what happened but dug deeper into the matter to uncover truth, and is letting the truth guide her actions rather then desires or other emotions.

As I like to say:
Ignoring things is ignorance.
Ignorance is darkness, knowledge is light.
And It's much easier to get smacked in the darkness. :wall:






Hi franciejones and everybody else,
Franciejones is exactly right about what St. Clair said and his intentions of saying it.
I suggested that St. Clair was talking about the US Project Camelot and I was wrong.
I was asked by Bill Ryan today to correct my position.

[feeler]

"Suggested" is a light way to classify what you had said in the previous post friend Steve.:tongue2: But your correction is appreciated.
I think Lorien made the best post in this thread and I share the same opinion as him.

Personally I don't feel that what is being discussed is negative or energy draining. In fact quite the opposite. We are finding out truth. I noticed many people here view truth as a negative thing. I can understand why, sometimes truth is hard to deal with as it can make us shift our perception about many things. But in the end at least we are not feeding our energy into a lie, which doesn't really exist and is darkness, and hence leaves us open to attacks of all types.

Franciejones deserves some credit, as she was upset with what happened but dug deeper into the matter to uncover truth, and is letting the truth guide her actions rather then desires or other emotions.

As I like to say:
Ignoring things is ignorance.
Ignorance is darkness, knowledge is light.
And It's much easier to get smacked in the darkness. :wall:

Phtha, after reading your post, I don't know where to begin. I am a 9/11 truther. As you can imagine, the truth is important to me. Over the years I have been called just about anything imaginable (e.g. "nuts," "tin hat," "no planer," "fake truther," etc.). Hence I always appreciate someone as franciejones willing to put in the effort and share the information with others. The process and the outcome of truth searching can be frustrating. No matter. At the end of this life (i.e. this round of reincarnation) I expect my life experience and knowledge to be shared (uploaded) with the larger consciousness. Great post.

-feeler

[777 The Great Work]

I feel its all an act

T parties

Talks Of Revolution

Alex Jones got Beef with Rense

Now B&K got beef with SinClair

Now there is Beef in this thread

This is by design, and none of them are to be trusted. Trust your hearts :original:

[777 The Great Work]

http://freshimagehosting.com/images/u7vljwkvdk4ea6oaf60x.jpg (http://freshimagehosting.com/)

B&K Angry whopper lies-I knew it was a matter of time.:tongue2::tongue2::tongue2::lmfao::lmfao::lmf ao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
Kassidy
http://freshimagehosting.com/images/mrtwdw8ympc05wlz6uk.png (http://freshimagehosting.com/)
Ryan = O rion

Barry king [I]Another Beef on his thread,I know you are watching. All Staged
Avalon
Camel20

http://freshimagehosting.com/images/rpkn1wepzg9hof2prk7.gif (http://freshimagehosting.com/)
Revolutions No Revelations:naughty:

Sub-S-CRYP-TI-ON :lmao: :naughty: :lmfao::lmfao:

http://freshimagehosting.com/images/4dinhka44lczv7l5q5n8.jpg (http://freshimagehosting.com/) This is a Berry King, its a purpleish Black Berry.http://freshimagehosting.com/images/7l20yq5j3xr20da7sld.jpg (http://freshimagehosting.com/) Egg ON :lmao: :lmfao:

http://freshimagehosting.com/images/fuhyrmxw60i2eahukxl.jpg (http://freshimagehosting.com/) The sun Yolk,Ego

King arthur gathered his heraldic pride, counted thirteen and cried 'Ey (7up) up lads, theres a fake one in here! He must have been sent for our thirteen pieces of Gold!

[orthodoxymoron]

The following comment is generic...and doesn't necessarily apply to this thread: I wonder how many organizations have been infiltrated and subverted by people who know exactly how to stir up controversy...and get people fighting with each other? I suspect that it happens all the time. That, and blackmailing, intimidation, exposing embarrassing personal histories, etc, etc. This sort of exchange is probably a good thing...once in a while...as long as it doesn't get out of control. It helps us to learn how to think and respond under pressure. This may be a very valuable skill in the coming years.

[Czymra]

The following comment is generic...and doesn't necessarily apply to this thread: I wonder how many organizations have been infiltrated and subverted by people who know exactly how to stir up controversy...and get people fighting with each other? I suspect that it happens all the time. That, and blackmailing, intimidation, exposing embarrassing personal histories, etc, etc. This sort of exchange is probably a good thing...once in a while...as long as it doesn't get out of control. It helps us to learn how to think and respond under pressure. This may be a very valuable skill in the coming years.

:thumb_yello:

[EpiphaMe]

Absolutely... Orthodoxy...
and Feeler: "Clif exposed Bill Deagle and Dan Bursch as disinfo agents. Woudn't that "offend" Kerry and Bill to the nth degree?"

***'

This is what I don't understand. Cliff High spoke supposed facts, yes, according to his software, but those remarks he made about Dan & B Deagle were his personal take.... that's the way I heard it... so I can't understand either why B&K are not miffed w/Cliff...

And 777, your depiction above... I "get" that one!

Like I said... mind control is SO deniable... it's so perfected that hardly anyone can muster up to owning that their thoughts are not always their own.]

That said, what do you all think? Mighe we let this thread END?

[EpiphaMe]

I can honestly say that I was "recruited" to St Clair's zone... as though it was some sort of honor to have been invited.... just to go in there I apparently also signed up, it wasn't my intention, it just was required (I guess)...before I knew it, I had a freakin' page...

AND just as is the case of this site... you CANNOT delete your own stuff..
you have to write to get Permission.. so I wrote St Clair asking to delete me, but he wrote back w/words that I ought just to hang out, to just pipe in however infrequent it might be...

WHAT IS THAT???

I've been too busy to get back to his site, but my profile is there as a member, tho I don't partake... I'm too busy growing my garden to check in... I'm just too tired of this chit!

[777 The Great Work]

Mind control is right

Cliff HigH ,is a ,Heathe Cliff ,as in Heathe Ledger the purple fool of Gotham City

We are being taken through ritual on this forum and others.
There is a King Barry:lmao: at Jeff rense.

http://freshimagehosting.com/images/niosfp5rq7nfu7q9h1tl.jpg (http://freshimagehosting.com/) Ches - shire Cat

This forum is being taking through Ritual. That mess on the watcher thread with Barry King. Then the sun ,came on the Horizon on the 7th day,:lmao: or 4\7=11 providing the light in the darkness. Then the thread was put on lock down. Thats Ritual

[Dantheman62]

LOL, is that Hanson?, LOL http://freshimagehosting.com/images/7l20yq5j3xr20da7sld.jpg (http://freshimagehosting.com/)

[333mark333]

We are Products of our own Reality....each will judge based on his/her life experiences. Let us not expose the judges as we have not the understanding to perceive their Thought-Forms. Let us Transcend these trivial games of the Senses and see all as children tarring along the sensual by-lanes of this Illusion.

Respect.

[777 The Great Work]

BUMP:naughty:

[Stargazer1965]

Isn't this like the UTUBE censoring of videos and persons they thought did not quite fit with their ideologies? When you take the tactics and the art of the enemy....don't you become them? I don't agree with most...but I definitely want to hear their voice.

[Stargazer1965]

LOL, is that Hanson?, LOL http://freshimagehosting.com/images/7l20yq5j3xr20da7sld.jpg (http://freshimagehosting.com/)

And why...YES IT IS...lol...you know the lead Hanson is singing with the drummer of Cheap trick and the guitar player from Smashing pumpkins...lol...SURREEEAAALLLL!!!!

[NewParadigmGuy]

http://freshimagehosting.com/images/u7vljwkvdk4ea6oaf60x.jpg (http://freshimagehosting.com/)

I was shocked when Burger King came out with this product. Why in the world would anyone want to eat a burger that is angry?

[feeler]

Isn't this like the UTUBE censoring of videos and persons they thought did not quite fit with their ideologies? When you take the tactics and the art of the enemy....don't you become them? I don't agree with most...but I definitely want to hear their voice.



Right on Stargazer. Look at the 9/11 false flag. Some manipulators stirred things up, and told people to practice "an eye for an eye". "The terrorists attacked us so we attack and torture them."

It's a good thing that Kerry and Bill have a fraction of the authority of the Illuminati.

-feeler

[BROOK]

I feel its all an act

T parties

Talks Of Revolution

Alex Jones got Beef with Rense

Now B&K got beef with SinClair

Now there is Beef in this thread

This is by design, and none of them are to be trusted. Trust your hearts :original:

I could not agree more :thumb_yello: I've been inclined to see the same thing
this does seem to be by DESIGN :thumb_yello:

[McMaster]

Hello all!

I do not partisipate on discussing too much, but I read even more, and I apologise if I offend anyone, but I can not understand why so many people react the way they have on this thread (one way or the other). People really should just worry about their own business and stop making this artificial drama out of nothing. Don't we have enough going on there in the real world, so we don't have to make our own on top of that?

As someone said, this is like a high school lunch brake. Get a grip people!

[feeler]

Hello all!

I do not partisipate on discussing too much, but I read even more, and I apologise if I offend anyone, but I can not understand why so many people react the way they have on this thread (one way or the other). People really should just worry about their own business and stop making this artificial drama out of nothing. Don't we have enough going on there in the real world, so we don't have to make our own on top of that?

As someone said, this is like a high school lunch brake. Get a grip people!

McMaster, you might not have the time or interest to participate on discussion too much. My understanding is that you "read even more". Censorship will impact #1) what you read at Avalon and #2) the larger picture you form from available pieces of the puzzle.

If censorship at Avalon is irrelevant to you, then why read here at all? Wouldn't TV (MSM) be just as good?

Therefore, previously to Kerry and Bill, I suggested the following revision (IN BOLD) in order to fully disclosure Kerry's and Bill's agenda (in the name of integrity, which Bill claims):

And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth AS LONG AS IT IS NOT CRITICISM (OR ACCUSATION) DIRECTED TOWARDS US THAT WE DISAGREE WITH. ALL INTERVIEWEES ARE EXPECTED TO UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT OUR MISSION.

-feeler

_____________________________________________Censo rship Restricts the Dream

[Stargazer1965]

Hello all!

I do not partisipate on discussing too much, but I read even more, and I apologise if I offend anyone, but I can not understand why so many people react the way they have on this thread (one way or the other). People really should just worry about their own business and stop making this artificial drama out of nothing. Don't we have enough going on there in the real world, so we don't have to make our own on top of that?

As someone said, this is like a high school lunch brake. Get a grip people!

Not to worry when someone takes your neighbor in the middle of the night or your cousin comes up as a missing person....I'm not offended but the side line sitting days are over my friend. I have an obligation as part of humanity to stop them when they knock on your door in the middle of the night. That's my pledge to you.

On the Bill and Kerry hubbub....When you stand for " GETTING THE SUPPRESSED INFO OUT".....and then you suppress folks that don't agree with you = hypocrisy

[addalight]

:boxing:I'm a member of both forums. I'm not sure what's happening with

StClair right now. I do know it's a very peaceful and loving group of members

over there. I will miss them if get kicked off after this post. I feel that Bill and

Kerry are fierce defenders of free speech and very much against any kind

censorship. We probably do not know the whole story, since some of the

comments have been made privately. There has been disagreement among

the whistle blowers in the past and there will be in the future. What Clif High

said was not offensive. St Clair seems to have drug him into this mess.

What St Clair said was a PERSONAL attack, not a criticism or

disagreement. B&K have not asked us to take sides. In any relationship gone

sour, I thank spirit for the experience bless them and move on. I'm

thinking B&K may have done the same. Save your energy.:original:

[Myplanet2]

On the Bill and Kerry hubbub....When you stand for " GETTING THE SUPPRESSED INFO OUT".....and then you suppress folks that don't agree with you = hypocrisy

That's a mischaracterization. B&K's action of removing Michaels materials, although ill advised, was not about suppressing someone that doesn't agree with them. Michael attempted to undermine their whole mission by calling Bill's and then Kerry's integrity into question. All of Michaels materials are still available on his own sites.

Michael devotes a good deal of time to self promotion. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't continue to aid in that promotion if he was attacking me.

perhaps it could be seen as hypocritical to continue to support someone who is actively undermining you and your mission.

Just a different viewpoint/counterpoint.

[feeler]

Michael attempted to undermine their whole mission by calling Bill's and then Kerry's integrity into question.

By the same token, Bill and Kerry attempted to undermine the PTB's whole mission e.g. War on Terror by calling the PTB's integrity into question. What is the PTB entitled to? The removal of all reference to B&K in the PTB's MSM?


perhaps it could be seen as hypocritical to continue to support someone who is actively undermining you and your mission.

Interviewing St. Clair and presenting St. Clair's interviews is not supporting St. Clair. Among the interviewees, there are disinfo agents. That doesn't mean Kerry and Bill support them.

Kerry and Bill made it clear interviewing a guest is not the same thing as supporting (endorsing) the guest :

And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth. --31 December 2008

-feeler

[Stargazer1965]

That's a mischaracterization. B&K's action of removing Michaels materials, although ill advised, was not about suppressing someone that doesn't agree with them. Michael attempted to undermine their whole mission by calling Bill's and then Kerry's integrity into question. All of Michaels materials are still available on his own sites.

Michael devotes a good deal of time to self promotion. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't continue to aid in that promotion if he was attacking me.

perhaps it could be seen as hypocritical to continue to support someone who is actively undermining you and your mission.

Just a different viewpoint/counterpoint.

Bill and Kerry's credibility were not questioned UNTIL they censored St Clair...I have no idea who St Clair is or what he's about...but he has the right to be heard. :trumpet:

[Myplanet2]

I'd debate the points raised, but that would be a bit like clapping with one hand.

How about get some facts, then form an opinion.

Or not.

[feeler]

I'd debate the points raised, but that would be a bit like clapping with one hand.

How about get some facts, then form an opinion.

Or not.


Myplanet2, you act as if facts have not been brought forth in this thread with 136 posts.

-feeler

[David]

Myplanet2, you act as if facts have not been brought forth in this thread with 136 posts.

-feeler

Sorry but you missed the point. *claps with one hand*

[Myplanet2]

That's not really what I was saying. My comment was in regards to opinions raised which then present themselves unsupported, or go off in search of supporting "facts". There are "facts" available, I'm sure, but comments like ("Bill and Kerry's credibility were not questioned UNTIL they censored St Clair...I have no idea who St Clair is or what he's about...but he has the right to be heard") don't demonstrate evidence of having gone off to search for any facts. They indicate an opinion exists all on it's own.

Hardly inspiring of discussion.

What's a fact? What's an opinion? What's the difference?

[Sarahmay]

Isn't this like the UTUBE censoring of videos and persons they thought did not quite fit with their ideologies? When you take the tactics and the art of the enemy....don't you become them? I don't agree with most...but I definitely want to hear their voice.

This is nothing like censorship on Youtube. This is Kerry and Bill's work...they can put it out there, or not. They own it, their choice.

It is very simple. St. Clair revealed his true nature, Kerry and Bill recoiled, and made some decisions to be in sync with their own integrity. I respect that.

[feeler]

This is nothing like censorship on Youtube. This is Kerry and Bill's work...they can put it out there, or not. They own it, their choice.

It is very simple. St. Clair revealed his true nature, Kerry and Bill recoiled, and made some decisions to be in sync with their own integrity. I respect that.


To be in sync with their own integrity, I respectfully suggest the following revision (IN BOLD) in order to fully disclosure Kerry's and Bill's agenda (in the name of integrity, which Bill claims):

And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth AS LONG AS IT IS NOT CRITICISM (OR ACCUSATION) DIRECTED TOWARDS US THAT WE DISAGREE WITH. ALL INTERVIEWEES ARE EXPECTED TO UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT OUR MISSION.

-feeler

[feeler]

Good Grief Already!!

We got your point! :original:

Sorry I feel embarrassed for repeating my point, but a FULL DISCLOSURE at Avalon is a good thing and serves as a real life example of "talk the talk, walk the walk."

Let the illuminati know censorship doesn’t have to be the first thing that comes to mind.

-feeler

[Myplanet2]

Why do those with the least understanding, claim the biggest voices?

Maybe Bill and Kerry should also create a "support your local illuminati" sub forum, and the "reptilian corner"?

How about putting these ideas into walk the talk dim wittedness:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-time_rule

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

It's B & K's group. They can do what they like. If someone stabs them in the back, they can pull their content. How many times did Michael St Clair mention his books in the Camelot interviews?

Why should they continue to promote Michael's work when he's taken to promoting them as little more than tools of the illuminati?

Freedom of speech must by it's nature include freedom to not speak. You are advocating enforced speech. B&K must keep St Clair's material on their site. That's not freedom of speech. If they let YOU tell them what they must have on their site, then must they also let the Mainstream media tell them what must be there? The Rockefellers? CFR? Builderbergers?CIA? It's their choice what they present.

If you got what you know of this situation with Bill, Kerry and Michael from this thread, then you have no idea what's going on, because most of it hasn't been said in this thread. And that might tell you something about these disembodied opinions being floated by the mal(mis)(un)informed.

[Sarahmay]

Why do those with the least understanding, claim the biggest voices?

Maybe Bill and Kerry should also create a "support your local illuminati" sub forum, and the "reptilian corner"?



Smile :mfr_lol:

[feeler]

Why should they continue to promote Michael's work when he's taken to promoting them as little more than tools of the illuminati?


You seem to exhibit the "an eye for eye" attitude...


If you got what you know of this situation with Bill, Kerry and Michael from this thread, then you have no idea what's going on, because most of it hasn't been said in this thread.

I have no idea what's going on. Do you? We both should, should we?

And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth. --31 December 2008

-feeler

[feeler]

Maybe the quest for truth precludes them from keeping the stuff there....and why in the world would you think that Bill and Kerry should tell the public everything that is going on?They do not owe us anything. Just because they are public figures does not mean they owe us an explaination of their every thought and finding. This constant haranguing reminds me of papparazi.

Paparazzi? I'm only interested in the public comments or action either side takes. I respect the personal (private) life of either side.

The stuff being kept here might very well include information provided by the disinfo agents. How do you identify those in the quest for truth? The disinfo agents likely come in the form of the sweetest, and the most vulnerable person, in appearance. St. Clair (with his public criticism of K&B) doesn't fit the profile.

-feeler

[feeler]

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation (Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist) (http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html)

No sweetness and vulnerability:naughty:

Some "experts" are sweeter than the others. And the vulnerability is hard to resist.


22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.

-feeler

[Relayer]

Michael St Clair has much to offer that we ought not to dismiss...

What could that stroker offer??? :nono:
Disliked the guy the moment I saw him. He had no real insight and I strongly felt that he was on an ego trip only. :bash:
Good riddance to him, and I applaud Bill and Kerry for ars.eholing him. :original:
Please take care all and peace be with you.
Immense love, :wub2:
John
Relayer

[feeler]

Disliked the guy the moment I saw him. He had no real insight and I strongly felt that he was on an ego trip only.

The moment I heard St. Clair, it was clear to me he was interested in selecting individuals to form an elite group, to survive the 2012 scenario.

-feeler

[Phtha]

Welldone great work, looks like all thats left is the sacrificing now:lmao:

http://newmediachatter.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/whopper-sacrifice-picture-266x300.jpg

[Stargazer1965]

That's not really what I was saying. My comment was in regards to opinions raised which then present themselves unsupported, or go off in search of supporting "facts". There are "facts" available, I'm sure, but comments like ("Bill and Kerry's credibility were not questioned UNTIL they censored St Clair...I have no idea who St Clair is or what he's about...but he has the right to be heard") don't demonstrate evidence of having gone off to search for any facts. They indicate an opinion exists all on it's own.

Hardly inspiring of discussion.

What's a fact? What's an opinion? What's the difference?

Oh I've watched St Clair....I don't agree with him and don't get a good feeling but I still take it all in. I can't stand from a lofty perch and say this person can be heard but not that one. I'm sorry when you form a site like this you sign up for a few things....the first being when folks come to express themselves...They own the site ...not the one paying for the domain name. It grows into something more...or something less. Would it have been so bad just to stay above it all and not post "This guy isn't our friend anymore...or this one" Just to leave it alone and it would relegate itself to where it needs to be....or rise to what it should.

[Myplanet2]

You're right that the site is shaped by the members. It's Bill and Kerry's site, but the members set the tone and bring the major content.

I do have an opinion about all this, not that it matters. I said in an earlier post that I thought the removal of St Clair's interviews was ill advised, and I still feel that way. But at the same time I totally support Bill and Kerry's right to determine what content Camelot will contain.

It's a fact that St Clair has been making comments about Bill being this or that instrument of the PTB. I know Bill and know that's not true. Yet Bill said nothing for months, even though I'm sure he was aware of it. St Clair didn't say anything derogatory about Kerry until after his material had been removed, and then it was that maybe SHE was Bill's handler, instead of the other way around, as he'd previously said. That was Callous and hurtful. Bill and Kerry haven't said anything callous or hurtful in return. They just simply decided to stop making Michaels materials available on their site, with a simple note as to why. It's their right to present whatever material they want.

I personally think Michaels material should stay, as it's useful, and I'm sure at least some members came here primarily for Michaels interviews and earlier interaction on the forum.

It's also kind of unfortunate that when Michael established his own forum, he stopped participating on this one.

It is what it is, and I don't see it changing, so perhaps it's best to just leave Bill and Kerry with their decision, and enjoy the rest of their FREE content on Camelot, and enjoy the interesting interactions available here on the forum.

[orthodoxymoron]

I just thought about something. When Billy Graham's organization had a problem with a bill, individual, organization, or company...it is my understanding, at least, that they paid whatever was owed(or claimed to be owed)...and just simply stopped doing business with that individual, organization, or company. No fighting. No comment. Nothing. They simply went quietly in another direction. There may be some real wisdom in that. No comment. No fighting. No invitations. No interviews. Nothing. It's very easy to second guess and criticize when one is not directly involved in a situation. However...just as a hypothetical...what if something like this happens again...and the previously posted interviews are left alone...but no further contact or comment is made regarding the problem individual? Both parties might just move on...without stirring up a hornets nest.

[feeler]

I just thought about something. When Billy Graham's organization had a problem with a bill, individual, organization, or company...it is my understanding, at least, that they paid whatever was owed(or claimed to be owed)...and just simply stopped doing business with that individual, organization, or company. No fighting. No comment. Nothing. They simply went quietly in another direction. There may be some real wisdom in that. No comment. No fighting. No invitations. No interviews. Nothing. It's very easy to second guess and criticize when one is not directly involved in a situation. However...just as a hypothetical...what if something like this happens again...and the previously posted interviews are left alone...but no further contact or comment is made regarding the problem individual? Both parties might just move on...without stirring up a hornets nest.


orthodoxymoron, what you are suggesting is called co-existing peacefully. Great idea.

Now that K&B retracted their endorsement of St. Clair, I am left to wonder which part of St. Clair's past interviews I should re-evaluate.

-feeler

[waitinginthewings]

This subject has now been debated to death......can we just bury the hatchet now and move on pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee.:naughty:

[franciejones]

As an interesting side note to all of this...St. Clair has just today posted links for two Camelot presentations/interviews on his Facebook page. I do not know if he maintains his own Facebook page, but I thought it a bit strange to see them posted by him. Is he trying to "say he is sorry?"

Just a weird thing I noticed. I had a "hmmm" reaction to it

[cantaloupe]

:mf_popeanim::dead thread?

[dagon]

:rip_1:

[Luminari]

This is a tragic love story right?

The intuition I get from this whole scenario is that St Clair has/had romantic feelings for Kerry and viewed Bill as an obstacle or competition.

This was gleaned from body language and other things I picked up..

I may be totally wrong but please dont attack me if you disagree.

The people here saying nasty things about St Clair and 'I disliked him from the start' etc how would you feel about people being so quick to judge you.

Zen of Stars is a great book, at least he did something positive we can agree on (if you even read it that is).

Peace out,

L

[Dantheman62]

Perpetual; Adj. Lasting or continuing forever. As in......
A perpetual thread. or.....
Perpetual opinions. or....
Perpetually LOL.


:original:

[feeler]

This is a tragic love story right?

The intuition I get from this whole scenario is that St Clair has/had romantic feelings for Kerry and viewed Bill as an obstacle or competition.

This was gleaned from body language and other things I picked up..

I may be totally wrong but please dont attack me if you disagree.

The people here saying nasty things about St Clair and 'I disliked him from the start' etc how would you feel about people being so quick to judge you.

Zen of Stars is a great book, at least he did something positive we can agree on (if you even read it that is).

Peace out,

L


Luminari,

Are you serious?

Do you know whether Kerry was ever invited to join St. Clair's Radiant Zone?

If I were Bill, being human, besides erasing St. Clair's interviews from this site, I would try to erase St. Clair from Kerry's memory.

Just kidding.:naughty:

-feeler

[Zeddo]

That is quite easy to say when it is not you who has been accused of being mind controlled and having a "handler". When it happens to you, being dissed in such a public manner by someone you considered a friend, get back to us and let us know how you feel. It's called being human.

As for taking the interviews off, I quite understand that Bill and Kerry no longer want to support St. Clair's work...they have sent a lot of paying customers his way, and if they are not resonating with him or his work they should not endorse him.

St. Clair very much brought this upon himself...this is who he is. Good for us to know.

Sarah, I have been falsley accused of worse. Why do you think, if indeed you do, I come out so strongly against this type of behaviour? May I suggest a measure of introspection before you attack. May I also suggest you read my post carefully and understand what I was saying.

Just in case you are wondering my humiliation was VERY public and a LOT worse than being called a "handler".

Love to You too............

[Sarahmay]

Let's just have compassion for Bill and Kerry's situation here, and now move on as they would wish.

[waitinginthewings]

Let's just have compassion for Bill and Kerry's situation here, and now move on as they would wish.

What a novel concept (Yes I wish everyone would move on) its not going to change anything by keeping this thread going. Peace to all.

[Myplanet2]

I have to agree. Bill and Kerry seem done with any public dealings on this, and Michael St Clair is continuing with his denigrating insinuations a few times a day. Let him. It's his Karma.

Nothing to be gained by continuing to focus attention on this unfortunate blip in the road. The only thing we ultimately control is our part of the creation of any of this.

[burgundia]

.....................end they lived happily ever after...........................


THE END

[waitinginthewings]

.....................end they lived happily ever after...........................


THE END

Yea.....finally. Over & out. have a wonderful day.:mfr_lol: