'V' Movie Revisited

[orthodoxymoron]

Please rewatch the old series/movie 'V'

"V the Final Battle" 1 (Google) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3724667612361217514&q=source%3A015671046521838471716&hl=en#docid=7667472135212562005
"V the Final Battle" 2 (Google)http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2040361659653215949&q=source%3A015671046521838471716&hl=en
I couldn't find part 3. You may have to use YouTube.

I just noticed that the sequence in You Tube has been scrambled. When I first posted the link...the succeeding parts would automatically play in order. Now they don't...and the numberings are often incorrect. Some are missing. The Google version is screwed-up also. Interesting. Please try to watch all segments. Buy or rent a DVD if necessary. Please consider the information which has come to light since 'V' was produced. Also consider the possibility that 'V' may contain large elements of truth. Could the giant spaceships really be deep underground bases? Watch carefully...and read between the lines of the script. I don't know if any of this is true...but there seems to be an emerging pattern. Is One Nation Under Satan being solidified in preparation for open rule by malevolent non-humans? Is the New World Order really the Old World Disorder Reptilian Theocracy? Again, I don't really know...but I do see a disturbing pattern...especially when reading various materials and viewing a variety of videos which haven't been readily available until recently. Please help me to sort this out. I don't want to go off half-cocked...although perhaps I already have! I tend to doubt my religious upbringing...as well as atheism...or the new age religions. I am settling on the U.S. Constitution as a meeting place for diverse peoples and philosophies. I guess I oppose The-ocracies and Me-ocracies...while I endorse a We-ocracy. This would be true...whether or not there is an alien presence. When this is all over...I may have a very red face. All of us may have very red faces. The search for truth...and doing that which is in everyone's best interest...should have absolute veto power...but we the people should have the power to decide what that is.

Here is a suggested order of viewing...ending with the 'V' series. Ideally one would watch 'V' first...and then go through the link list...and then view 'V' a second time...and notice what got missed the first time! This is time consuming...and I'm probably naive and impatient to expect busy people to take the time to do this. But what if there is a legitimate pattern...and this stuff is mostly reality? The problem must be clearly discerned before a solution can be achieved. This may be huge. An appropriate forum such as Avalon may be a testing ground...to see how people may react to a very strange reality. I don't know...but if it is even partially true...extreme tact will be required to avoid a catastophic overreaction by the general public...

1. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261
2. http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=david+icke+arizona+wilder&emb=0#
3. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8420071240361070544
4. www.youtube.com/watch?v=App2uRxZ4IwYouTube
5. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qiu-CEylTOM&feature=relatedYouTube- Extended Clip - The Day the Earth Stood Still
6. www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq1SgXIKI3UYouTube- )·)·)-_ The Reptilian Race _-(·(·(
7. www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTcF-7opGLUYouTube- the History of Satanism
8. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr5FWQrBiMk&feature=PlayList&p=698B25AC4FB99B4F&index=0&playnext=1YouTube- Deep Underground Military Bases
9. www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJfc63rCnWEYouTube- THE ORION CONSPIRACY # 1 - SEB JANIAK
10. www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTe2tUW2LS8&feature=relatedYouTube- THE ORION CONSPIRACY # 2 - SEB JANIAK
11. www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2j-8CI9HywYouTube- Joseph Farrell Pt.1
12. www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu5pNd5tDbA&feature=PlayList&p=82CA954856382329&index=1YouTube- January 26th, 2008 - Part 2 (2nd Interview)
13. www.youtube.com/watch?v=GccknBnFfTk&feature=PlayList&p=BB7BB25C4FABD637&index=0&playnext=1YouTube- V - the final battle - chapter 1

[Orion11]

my father used to watch this series when i was little.
i used to watch it with him and loved it.
i didnt know a movie was made of it. lol nice. Thanks.

[orthodoxymoron]

my father used to watch this series when i was little.
i used to watch it with him and loved it.
i didnt know a movie was made of it. lol nice. Thanks.

I guess the DVD I rented was a compilation of the series. I wonder if anyone took this seriously when it was first broadcast? Hollywood seems to know things that most people don't know. They seem to give us clues...packaged as entertainment. The following 'Lone Gunman' episode was eerily prophetic regarding 9/11...six months before 09/11/01: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUKQz-xm0is. I watched the original airing...and it freaked me out on 9/11. Is there a connection between the subject of this thread...and 9/11? Was 9/11 an inside (the earth reptilian) job? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5jhIwYTock&feature=PlayList&p=82CA954856382329&index=8 Speaking of which...have you heard the recent Camelot audio interview regarding 9/11? http://projectcamelot.org/elizabeth_nelson_flight_93.html. She has a very nice voice! I'm in love! I suspect that most government employees are like Elizabeth Nelson...just doing their jobs as best they can.

[Orion11]

i dunno,
but when i used to watch it with my dad,
i remember i always felt like... " man, this is prolly true stuff" lol

i agree, lots of 'entertainment' is much more than just entertainment.

[orthodoxymoron]

I keep getting the feeling that the powers that be, the powers that wannabe, the elites, the city-states, the alphabet agencies, the secret societies, the mainstream media, etc, etc...have a lot more to deal with than staying filthy rich, being as powerful as god, and screwing the little guy. I keep getting the feeling that they are dealing with something similar to the subject of 'V'. Humans are quite corruptible...especially if the corruptors are non-humans with superior intelligence and inferior ethics. I have a hard time hating the various power groups. I suspect that if I were in their shoes...I'd be doing some of the very same things they are doing...perhaps worse. But I don't want to let them off the hook too easily. It is fair game to second guess them...and try to figure out what's really going on. This, in fact, may make their job easier. If reptilians rule the world...and we initiate a successful global conversion/exorcism...then everyone will sleep a lot better at night...including the elites. If a world government was based upon Constitutional Responsible Freedom...instead of being One Nation Under Satan...the elites could keep their Chateau's and Castles...and drive their Enzo Ferrari's and Bugatti Veryon's. I could care less. Governance would be decentralized and decorrupted...but the opportunity to gain and keep wealth would remain. On the other hand...a heightened ethical awareness should lead to increased philanthropy toward worthy charities and foundations...but this would be voluntary.

[Tarliam]

I keep getting the feeling that the powers that be, the powers that wannabe, the elites, the city-states, the alphabet agencies, the secret societies, the mainstream media, etc, etc...have a lot more to deal with than staying filthy rich, being as powerful as god, and screwing the little guy. I keep getting the feeling that they are dealing with something similar to the subject of 'V'. Humans are quite corruptible...especially if the corruptors are non-humans with superior intelligence and inferior ethics. I have a hard time hating the various power groups. I suspect that if I were in their shoes...I'd be doing some of the very same things they are doing...perhaps worse. But I don't want to let them off the hook too easily. It is fair game to second guess them...and try to figure out what's really going on. This, in fact, may make their job easier. If reptilians rule the world...and we initiate a successful global conversion/exorcism...than everyone will sleep a lot better at night...including the elites. If a world government was based upon Constitutional Responsible Freedom...instead of being One Nation Under Satan...the elites could keep their Chateau's and Castles...and drive their Enzo Ferrari's and Bugatti Veryon's. I could care less. Governance would be decentralized and decorrupted...but the opportunity to gain and keep wealth would remain. On the other hand...a heightened ethical awareness should lead to increased philanthropy toward worthy charities and foundations...but this would be voluntary.

WOW synchronicity i have been thinking for awhile about almost the same thing what is the real agenda the visitors to this planet and our minds is and is it as noble as we think, wouldn't it be odd if the real powers that be are aliens.

[orthodoxymoron]

WOW synchronicity i have been thinking for awhile about almost the same thing what is the real agenda the visitors to this planet and our minds is and is it as noble as we think, wouldn't it be odd if the real powers that be are aliens.


If you haven't already...check out the links on my first post. I tend to think the really good-guys are out there...but that the bad-guys we are dealing with are down there...underground. This stuff did not originate in my mind...but I am tending to focus on the interrelationship of governments, religions, reptilians, aliens, conspiracies...and the concept that we may have to save ourselves...and that our saviours are mostly not our friends. God save us from our Saviours. Also...it's possible that Earth is as good as it gets in the universe. I hope this isn't the case...but what if it is? Constitutional Responsible Freedom may be something new in the universe...which could conceivably be ruled by a tyrannical universal theocracy...a Universal Church. Does God rule the universe? Do beings throughout the universe vote on various issues...or are they told what to do...without discussion? Are there elections to pick a new God every 1,000 years or so...or is the same God always in power...forever? Don't misunderstand. I believe in a very, very good and kind God...that is very, very good at delegating authority and power. A God who hoards power and demands worship and praise...is really a Satan. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm very interested in hearing from other people regarding this thread. It's a way of asking 'am I sane?' I really want to hear from people who have seen it all...and know the scams and delusions. I don't want to insist on my current perceptions and concerns. I just want to arrive at a reasonable way of looking at our world and universe. The picture I see emerging is quite disturbing...yet I still see a light at the end of the tunnel. I just want to make sure that it's not an oncoming train. Please consider the links as a group...and tell me what you think. Please.

[Jacqui D]

I'm old enough to remember this series and watched it terrified at the time.
When the reptilians removed their skin on their faces it was scary!
There was nothing like this at time on TV and i often thought then YES THIS IS FOR REAL!
I guess at the time most had not awakened to see the truth in all this, as a child i had seen ET's and found this series extremely interesting.
I have always thought that these films and series have been put into the media for future time lines.

Wondered when this series would make a response as so many now are beginning to see in to this, nice one Orthodoxyman.

[orthodoxymoron]

Cool! What kind of et's did you see? Did you perceive them as being benevolent or malevolent? Did they seem to be physical, spiritual, or both? Are et's physical beings who can astrally project...or are they primarily spiritual beings who can physically manifest...or some other possibility?

[burgundia]

I do not understand one thing. if they are so powerful and much more advanced than we are, why are they hiding?

[Jacqui D]

They are not hiding Burgandia they are all around you, just open your eyes i see them everyday.

[orthodoxymoron]

I do not understand one thing. if they are so powerful and much more advanced than we are, why are they hiding?

If they exist...and the reports can be believed...they are ugly...and not very nice. There may be exceptions...and I frankly don't care if they are ugly...I just don't want them to kill us, rule over us, terrorize us, abduct us, experiment on us, eat us...or otherwise screw with us. They may be very advanced in some ways...and very deficient in other ways. The reptilian and human races may have been fighting each other for millions of years. There may be some very bad blood here. Some have suggested that they need to completely control us...by exterminating and enslaving most of us...before they can show themselves...and rule over us openly. Secrecy seems to be necessary to their alien agenda. If the people of the world decided to rule themselves with constitutional responsible freedom...and expose ALL of the secrets regarding these beings...the gig would probably be up. Game Over.:sneaky2::lightsabre:

I don't want to engage in deep trench warfare with them. I don't want to hurt or kill them. I just want them to leave us the **** alone. This may necessitate a trial separation of human and reptilian races(separate but equal?) on different planets...with the possibility of integration(forced busing?) at a later date(Grey vs Board of Re-education[2054]?). I'd like nothing more...than a reconciliation with the Devil Himself(Herself?)...who is presumably a
reptilian attorney/musician/architect/scientist/theologian/politician. I'd like to take organ lessons from a truly reconciled Lucifer on the organ at Saint Sulpice...or on the organ in a cathedral which I suspect exists deep within the earth...which probably puts St. Peter's to shame...and that's not a put-down. How about it Lucifer? Let's get this thing over with. No one worships anyone or anything. The U.S. Constitution applies from the center of Earth to one million kilometers in all directions. No hidden agendas or hidden meanings. The BS simply stops.

[Lorien]

V was amazing. It was one of my favorite programs growing up. I still remember vividly a scene where a human girl who is pregnant goes into labor, and ends up giving birth to a lizard baby!! She had no idea. Lots of screaming follows.

Speaking of....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TufUH1T-F18&feature=related

[orthodoxymoron]

V was amazing. It was one of my favorite programs growing up. I still remember vividly a scene where a human girl who is pregnant goes into labor, and ends up giving birth to a lizard baby!! She had no idea. Lots of screaming follows.

See what happens when you don't wait until you get married? Her boyfriend turned out to be a real snake! She should have listened to her mother!

[BROOK]

See what happens when you don't wait until you get married? Her boyfriend turned out to be a real snake! She should have listened to her mother!

:mfr_lol: So true..so funny :lmao:

[orthodoxymoron]

This is a bit of a tangent...but here is an interesting online conversation I had with someone who claimed to be a hybrid:

Veronica: Mad humans always existed, just don’t blame their actions (if existed) to the Reptilians. Is too easy to say people are been led by other species evils than admit that there are humans nuts by themselves. Reptilians are good, they only approach a human when they fall in love, and to do good to the beloved person. Satan is a word that means "attorney" in the original language. It is not an individual, the word can apply to many alien lawyer that have nothing to do with humans.

Orthodoxymoron: Is the Old Testament God really Satan...a Reptilian. Could the "attorney" definition have something to do with the legalism seen in the Old Testament? We humans are pretty disgusting in our own right...but I suspect that evil spirits and evil aliens make things a lot worse. Who is responsible for abductions, mutilations, etc? And what about the frightful appearance of alleged Reptilians. I'm not anti-alien...just anti-evil.

Veronica: Thanks for commenting on my post, and for the opportunity of bringing up this subject. The Old Testament Satan came from a species called Man of Tri. He was a good guy, having a beautiful personal trajectory of defending social rights on his planet, extremely intelligent, only bright and right lawyers are chosen to be a Satan. At the time he arrived on Earth, unfortunately, he had become insane, and he did a lot of harm, but it was because he was ill. His species lives 8.000 to 10.000 years of Earth, and he stayed much of this time here, doing harm. As there was few personnel from other species working here, few angels and lots of work to do in those days, nobody caught him. I am not aware if Eden destituted him while he was alive, but he did not act as a Satan here, though he had the Satan seal because he was a nominated Satan ( by Eden High Council). He acted as an insane man, because he was maddened by an illness. See, there is Good and Bad, and there is Evil. Good and Bad are complementary in a context. Evil is out of place. This is because the source of Evil is an illness. It is a virus. We call it virus of Tri because was first detected there. This virus attacks a small percentage of most populations. All species are united to find the cure, all species have problems with maddened guys, and, as humans, in all species most individuals are good guys living by common sense and good social rules.

Orthodoxymoron: I'm wondering if you have heard of, seen or read a book titled 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen G. White? If so, what is your opinion? What is your opinion regarding the Teachings of Jesus? What is your opinion regarding the U.S. Constitution? What can you tell me about the New World Order? Is it really the Old Alien Order? Who was ultimately responsible for 9/11? Satan as a mentally-ill attorney is a fascinating possibility...

Veronica: I will bring the answers here later, just stopped quickly now to thank you. The FAQ is stuck for lack of questions and you really do good ones. I don’t speak alone, I am supported by Lucifer embassy and by Eden. I got a long message from a Messenger Angel about these, it will take a while to translate, but I will let you know. Basically, about the book of Ellen White as well as the Teaching of Jesus, the message focus on the fact that we are the ones making the history now, there is no need to focus on history to know anything important. Each happening of history is fit for the time it happened. Constitution, summary: the real law is the law of Nature, not clearly understood yet, and the value of the C. relies on its closeness to the natural laws, not imposing limits to it. The C. is to assure freedom, but the freedom only exists when there is no need of law, be to limit, be to let free, other than the nature. As an overview, the U.S. Constitution is advanced, but not finished. Nature allow development and technology, as it works for the Aliens. What changes is the concept about life. New World Order never existed. If humans made their organizations, they were never powerful to threaten the entire world. Never existed an Alien Order, they are ordinary civilizations, with teachers and accountants and social philosophies, living well and satisfied, solving their problems as everyone else. I know it is hard to believe after all this negative marketing, but they are just here doing routine. About 9/11 the answer of the Angels is: All that participated of 9/11 are already dead.

I will put the answers here if you don’t mind, not to overload the comments on the video. You are welcome. The old testament is genuine, it was transmitted by Eden, and the prophets translated the best they could, but the angel’s language is not a piece of cake, and there are many misinterpretations, specially after translated to other languages and analyzed. People have the right to know how things are. I am a fallen angel, you probably heard that we born in human form. We have being trying to tell these things for many millennia, but the kings always kill us and burn our books. But this time there is Internet. I am telling this things on You Tube because I am still not sure if the powers of human will not try to burn the books again, if we start to speak to many people at once. Though the world is more civilized now. When you feel comfortable you can visit my blog, there is many more there about the Creation. There is also a book for download, it is a poem done by me with the angel Ariel, that is my brother. It was done to heal the heart, when people sometimes feel tired of the harshness of life. All material there is free and Creative Commons, we don’t want anything from anyone. We speak because it takes us closer of home. Have a great week.

About spirits: The spirits disturb, really. The fact is that spirits must remain sleeping, and when they are awake they do disturbance. What is important to understand is that never had, and there is not yet, personal enough to suffice the demand of work in Earth. The grays are the responsible to collect the lost spirits, this is part of their job and they are paid to do it and do well, but they are few with few equipment compared to the quantity of ghosts. If someone feel that is being disturbed, he must ask to the gray of his area to chase that specific ghost and the problem will be solved. They usually focus to sane the problems where more humans are being affected. To call the gray just make the request near one of their communication devices. These communicators are discretely placed where the community gathers to discuss the problems, such as churches or community centers, and by what they hear on these places they know where to act to solve the problems affecting more people at once. If someone speak to them directly pointing the problems, they can act more effectively.

Mutilations: Aliens never mutilate. Not even the criminals. Simply because third dimensional material has no use for anyone but to those who live in it. Most aliens can jump from 3rd to 4th dimension, but their feeding and living is done in the 4th. The 3rd is just for work, tourism or study. For any alien species the bodies of the 3rd D are troublesome to deal with directly, and is pointless. The cattle mutilations are done by rats, birds and small animals. There is plenty of analysis of these supposedly mutilated by abduction corpses, and most of them point to very understandable causes, though there might be something bizarre on nature that we cannot understand. If you wish to research deeper, there is a complete article done by a Brazilian magazine called UFO with legists doctors examining many of these cattle. All of them concluded the mutilations were done by rats, that choose the soft parts to eat first – eyes, nose, mouth, ears, reproductive parts, and from these to inside. The opening made by the small creatures who live from corpses are generally perfect and round, and they eat first from inside, it is easy to see at an apple eaten by worms. From outside it can looks good, and the small hole is perfectly round.

Real abductions: The Grays are the “nanny” of human species, as the human species of Gaia is young and still entitled do receive special care. Is the grays duty to assure that all human on the group under their care gets food, shelter and sanitary conditions ( not richness, it is only about the health). So, they ionize the air to kill bacteria, influence for resources to reach hospitals, researchers and sanitary organizations. The abductions occur when a special human individual gets ill, the “special” relies on fact that the person is a hub for the distribution of resources to many others humans. If that person gets ill many will be without resources and will be consequently ill too, so the grays operate this hub person so he can keep up as a resources distributor for that area. It is expensive for the grays, done rarely. But as humans start to communicate directly with the grays they might even buy this operations perhaps, paying by sending resources to other humans in need from that gray group. They do these exchanges with some sensitive’s, sometimes.

Reptilian appearances: The Reptilians are moved by the heart. They fall in love with humans more frequently than you can imagine, then they try to approach the person and everyone gets scared. They are an old, old species, with all existential problems solved, so they live in search of love and adventure. They are scary, of rude gestures, and cannot communicate well with humans, so the misunderstandings and confusions they cause are huge, but there is always an impulsive Reptilian in love behind, usually he does not succeed in his affair, sometimes do. They can fall in love with a person, with a population, with a politic system, with a project being made, by an object or place. It has nothing to do with the “take the world” theories, even because they don’t have to take, the Earth belong to them, and the Angels protect Earth because of them ,as they don’t fit anywhere else, while humanoids can be taken to other places. They are rough in the outside, and most sweet on the inside. Here is their place, the humans just need to learn to understand them, and I am sure will be great for all. They love to have other species living here, when a civilizations ends they long for the next.

I hope this information has a use for you. It is not something I read or heard, the source are the own Alien representatives. I took the task to clarify the misconceptions on the media on my group, and the intention is only to inform our point of view. I chose to speak person to person, with those who are interested on the issue, as being half-human myself.

Veronica: Hello friend, You Tube is making me tired. It is like a rally road and I don’t like it, I am a girl. Here are most boys trying to combat, not to fix on the subject. For discussion, only you were interesting. Keep my e-mail if you wish. You are welcome to discuss anytime.

Orthodoxymoron: Thank-you for your answers and comments. I hope that the internet and You Tube will help people to learn how to communicate more effectively and nicely. I hope things turn out well for everyone...humans, aliens, everyone. I even hope that Satan can learn to be happy without being mean and causing trouble. I don't want anyone to be miserable. Life should be enjoyed. I hope this universe can get past war. We should compete constructively...not destructively. Peace to you.


I should add that shortly after this exchange...Veronica's You Tube account was closed.

[Truthseeker360]

Oh boy,

I loved this when first out was teenager at time,still got vhs copies of tv even though brought dvd few years back now was originally 1-5 episodes 2 hrs long
and the was a 18 episode series after i have lost these now in house flood and tried to replace:wall:

The one thing that stuck with me was,humans on conveyor belts for food!!oh and size of ship stealing water with false pretense of giving us technology medical breakthroughs etc etc,but slipping it to us from behind,sounds familiar huh.

Today most medically advaced that we know of and understand how foods work yet look at he junk we produce and eat,and the levels of obesity.....conveyor belt anyone:lmao:


I think tptb as part of agreement have to tell us the truth,and use various media to do this,obviously in ways that we ridicule and reject but as long as ther job quota fillled agreement fullfilled.

So yeah some of what you see in v 2012 film dissinformation leaks etc etc hidden truths.

Steven spielberg ,george lucas visionaries or past the ideas? hey and i love these guys especially george :lightsabre:

V brings back memories cheers,you got any questions on v give us a shout,im sure i'll remember aint watched for years now might blow dust of old vhs feels more real than dvd plus old adverts cool.

Oh yeah remeber they had a conversion process(brain wash) afterwards person would change ,look and sound same, but would use opposite hand from before to write comb hair etc etc.

Watch out for politicianstrying to remeber which hand to scratch there ass with:mfr_lol:

Truthseeker

Love light & critical mass

[orthodoxymoron]

What if we have been given technology by the 'visitors' which initially seemed cool...but was decidedly NOT in our best interest? And what if we surrendered sovereignty when we accepted this technology? Further...what if we thought the underground bases, antigravity craft, nuclear weapons, etc, etc were for us...but were really for them? They may simply exterminate most of us(if we don't exterminate ourselves first with all of the fancy technology which we are morally incapable of properly using)...and use what we built for them...to launch an attack on the rest of the universe. Obviously this is just idle speculation. Spielberg was said to be a fearful person. I heard this in the late 80's from a reliable source. What does Hollywood know...and when did they know it? Perhaps a top quality documentary or movie needs to be produced which TRUTHFULLY and EXHAUSTIVELY reveals just how much trouble we may be in...and hopefully offers a realistic set of solutions. The internationally broadcast movie or documentary could be immediately followed-up with a presidential address and press conference with those most qualified to deal with the subject. People would probably be stunned...and some would go nuts...but we would get over it...and move on...as we always do.

[orthodoxymoron]

Please consider this thread and comment on it. I've been striking out with the few threads I've started. Are they irrelevant? Are they just old news? Or...is the grouping of information too upsetting to face head on? I'm not dreaming this stuff up. I'm just connecting dots. Have these dots been previously connected? I'd be happier if all of this was completely discredited. I want to be wrong. But please watch the video clips as a group...and tell me what you think.

[recallone]

If they exist...and the reports can be believed...they are ugly...and not very nice. There may be exceptions...and I frankly don't care if they are ugly...I just don't want them to kill us, rule over us, terrorize us, abduct us, experiment on us, eat us...or otherwise screw with us. They may be very advanced in some ways...and very deficient in other ways. The reptilian and human races may have been fighting each other for millions of years. There may be some very bad blood here. Some have suggested that they need to completely control us...by exterminating and enslaving most of us...before they can show themselves...and rule over us openly. Secrecy seems to be necessary to their alien agenda...

I don't want to engage in deep trench warfare with them. I don't want to hurt or kill them. I just want them to leave us the **** alone. This may necessitate a trial separation of human and reptilian races(separate but equal?) on different planets...with the possibility of integration(forced busing?) at a later date(Grey vs Board of Re-education[2054]?). I'd like nothing more...than a reconciliation with the Devil Himself(Herself?)...who is presumably a reptilian attorney/musician/architect/scientist/theologian/politician...

Straddling the fence is dangerous - think about the fall! - so dismiss the fence of one way of thinking versus another.
There are just too many unknowns in all of this. I read the interaction you had with Veronica and I don't know whether it's on point or not. I do think there is a level of malevolence about some of the alien species out there, but I also think there is good. As a species (human) we've been convinced that we're weak, less than some of our galactic brothers and sisters, so it would only stand to reason that fear would be the immediate vibration upon hearing of species that are larger, stronger, more technologically advanced and so on who aren't necessarily so keen about us. A common thread among the reports is that they look upon us as cattle, that there is a inherent disdain for us. Fine. Whatever.

The bigger picture involves a number of dimensions, a fully employed DNA, interdimensional abilities and an alignment of the energies of the universe. I don't like the idea of having to fight anybody or anything either ("deep trench warfare"), but if it's unavoidable...then do it well. Without fear.

If I have to fight, it's because they've left me with no other alternative. And if it comes to that point, there's only one rule: WIN. Someone or something that's three feet taller is suddenly a helluva lot shorter when you've taken out one or both of their knees. You following me on this? I've watched fights and called the winner prior to the fight itself based on what's in their eyes. If you're afraid of your opponent, then you've already begun losing. If anything I've read about the vibration of fear as being a food source for aliens is true, then I shall feed them none of mine. And therein, I believe is the where the true battle takes place. It's not about how tough you are or how many ways you can kill a man, alien, whatever - but how connected are you to transcend the very idea of death itself?

I understand what you're wrestling with, orthodoxymoron. I also see a belief in a God outside of yourself.
I believe in a very, very good and kind God...
This belief limits you. Lessens you. By your beliefs - you define yourself. If you ARE God, always were and always will be - what could you possibly have to fear? There will be no end, no death. Only change. And if fear is absent from your paradigm, who or what may feed upon that fear? These are the weapons that I choose to sharpen. Our connection is our strength. Recognize your divinity and uncover all of the strength that you've been programmed to believe you don't have.

Underground civilizations? Yes. Alien agenda's? Yes. NWO? Yes. Psy-ops? Yes.
On the other hand, DNA activation, a thinning of the veils, a stripping away of the programming that belongs to a dying age. You will be guided by your intuition just so long as you stay connected to what is true. With so many unknowns, what exactly IS true? That you are more powerful than you can even imagine. Tap it now and say good bye to the old. Fear is the lie borne of division. Tear apart the constructs of division and realize your inherent connection to all that is - and all will be as it should be.

And for good measure, THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkWS9PiXekE) always helps me to stand a little taller.
Remember what's important.

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you for the thoughtful response Recallone. Fence riders form splinter groups! However...remaining for an extended period in observation and reevaluation mode can help one avoid taking a plunge into the abyss. How many people have been rushed into stupid decisions throughout history? The bankster bailout may be a recent example. All of this is so bizarre...yet how else should we explain our existence...and on what should we base any hope for a usable future?

My reference to a good God is not limiting. I believe that the gods we have been taught about are Luciferian. All of them. Yet I see in the Teachings of Jesus and in my intuition...the distinct possibility of beings of greater intellectual and moral stature than we can possibly imagine. But for now...it seems that we are left with Human vs Reptilian...with very little intervention from any other source. Some might refer to this as a Great Controversy between Christ and Satan. I don't know. I once heard of a copy of a book bearing this title...being torn in two...the hard way...by unseen hands. Again, I don't know.

If these reptilian beings exist...I would much prefer to unite around the concept of non-theocratic constitutional responsible freedom...than engage in pointless bloodshed on both sides. The reptilians seem to be at war with this idea. The Vatican also seems to be at war with this idea. Is there a connection here?

You might find the Dulce Book of interest: http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce_book.html. The concept of reconciliation is repeatedly mentioned...as well as battle tactics, if required. I just think violence is always stupid. I hate violence. I don't care how different the Humans and Reptilians are...something can be worked out. The application of the U.S. Constitution to Earth and it's Moon seems to be the simplist way to unite the diverse peoples of the world...to unite the non-human beings of the inner Earth...to unite those beings who are unseen...and finally to unite all three groups...where no one is anyone's master or slave.

The video clip was interesting...but more violence! We always seem to gravitate toward violent solutions. We need to evolve just a little bit more.

[orthodoxymoron]

Has anyone watched all of the video links in my first post? Has anyone watched them back to back? If so...what conclusions did you reach? I'm increasingly thinking that I'm in my own little nightmare...and can't convince anyone else to share it with me! It's one thing to hear a lunatic out...and then tell them, and everyone else...why they are wrong and crazy. But it's quite another thing to not even listen to them, and consider what they are saying. I'm amazed at the garbage that sells so many DVD's...makes so many people filthy rich, etc, etc. Perhaps reasonable conversation is a lost cause...especially if it is about something which is difficult to think about. If this is the creme de la creme of alternative thinking(I think it may be)...and few are interested in what I'm considering and questioning...where do I go from here? Where does the human race go from here? I could probably talk to some alphabet agency people...and I'm sure they would 'help' me! Hi guys!

[burgundia]

They are not hiding Burgandia they are all around you, just open your eyes i see them everyday.

can you be more specific? Who are they, what do they look like, how do you recognize them?

[orthodoxymoron]

can you be more specific? Who are they, what do they look like, how do you recognize them?

Some people can see the unseen from time to time. I see objects which appear to be alive when I look at a light background...and very occasionally and briefly in a more pronounced way. I have seen physical objects manipulated intelligently by unseen hands. I don't go looking for this stuff. I recommend staying away from this stuff. Whether these are reptilian entities or not...I don't know.
Here's a horrible joke: What did the search party say when they found the Donner Party? :mfr_omg: ICY DEAD PEOPLE!

[recallone]

Thank-you for the thoughtful response Recallone. Fence riders form splinter groups! However...remaining for an extended period in observation and reevaluation mode can help one avoid taking a plunge into the abyss.How many people have been rushed into stupid decisions throughout history? The bankster bailout may be a recent example. All of this is so bizarre...yet how else should we explain our existence...and on what should we base any hope for a usable future?

For starters, I agree that everything continues to warrant our scrutiny and observation, like you said. Neutral observation is what I'm getting at here. Even if you were able to accurately define the parameters and agendas of various beings, you would still be left with the task of connecting to source in order to circumnavigate the various challenges they may present. We're going into an age and an existence that will depend heavily upon decisions made from a higher place, intuition, connection. In my opinion, the definable parameters of this dimension are becoming obsolete. Just as you can't conclude the mission and intent of the entire human race based on the actions of a few, I would think that the same applies to other races. As Americans, they try to instill in us a sense of suspicion towards anyone of Middle Eastern descent. Why? I think if any one of us were suddenly dropped into a different culture and had to live among those people, we would find that we're not so different. Children want to laugh and play. Parents want to raise their children without fear. Lovers want to love. Painters want to paint, musicians want to play, and so on. You may be pleasantly surprised to find that one of these alien races you're concerned about could very well provide you with your new best friend. You just don't know. And if what you DO know is bigger than the rest...well, then take it in stride is all I'm trying to say.


The video clip was interesting...but more violence! We always seem to gravitate toward violent solutions. We need to evolve just a little bit more.

C'mon. That's good stuff! I have a particular liking for movies that celebrate the nobility in mankind. This was one of those movies. Do what's right, no matter the cost. Regret for things NOT done are much harder to deal with than regret for things DONE. Live. Create.

Peace, my friend.

[orthodoxymoron]

recallone, I rewatched the Sparta video clip. You are right. It is very good. I'm just a bit sensitive when it comes to violence. The following are my kind of videos:
1. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruYYouTube- Where the Hell is Matt? (2008)
2. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5z6FuSMZzE&feature=PlayList&p=7B6FC7A6F37732A7&index=16YouTube- SR-71 Owns
3. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9Ze_g9y2Es&feature=relatedYouTube- Crazy French Low Level Flying

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm still hoping to hear from someone who has viewed most or all of the video links in my first post. I'm very interested to hear if you see a pattern emerging...and if so...what that pattern might be.

[recallone]

recallone, I rewatched the Sparta video clip. You are right. It is very good. I'm just a bit sensitive when it comes to violence. The following are my kind of videos:
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY. Be sure to use HD and full screen for this one.
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usM4XRY1HM8. Full screen.
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR5bDfD5XV8. Full Screen.
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9Ze_g9y2Es&feature=related. Full Screen.

You do see the irony of this, right? I like the first one, for sure. It's right up there with the "Free Hugs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4)" one, but the other three are of jet fighters.
The speed thing is cool, but they're birds of war nonetheless. Just because they're not actively engaged in killing people, their purpose is still very clear. Were you just seeing if I was paying attention?

[orthodoxymoron]

You do see the irony of this, right? I like the first one, for sure. It's right up there with the "Free Hugs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4)" one, but the other three are of jet fighters.
The speed thing is cool, but they're birds of war nonetheless. Just because they're not actively engaged in killing people, their purpose is still very clear. Were you just seeing if I was paying attention?

I keep telling people that we, as a world, need to get out of war and debt(death and taxes?)...and then use these beautiful birds for air shows, aerobatic competition...and giving rides to the general public. I simply like the speed and beauty. I'd also like to ride on one of those mach 2 trains linking the deep underground military bases. I'm not holding my breath...and in the meantime I'm watching these: 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE3Zjcngj74&feature=related 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4RylKOWbj8. 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlsiASrwlW8&feature=related.

[recallone]

I like speed, too. But I'll pass on a ride on one of those trains.
I can't hang with the price of admission.

[orthodoxymoron]

I like speed, too. But I'll pass on a ride on one of those trains.
I can't hang with the price of admission.

You're right. They'd probably feed me to the reptilians. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1rntaHj5fY When the elites go into their underground bases...the elites with good taste will serve the reptilians the elites who taste good. I'll take my chances in the mountains somewhere.

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm still impatiently waiting for evaluations(both positive and negative) of the net effect of the group of video links in the first post...or even a sampling of these links. This is sort of a research project for me. I don't really know about these things. I haven't been contacted...abducted...or even given the time of day by the greys. I'm not an insider. I don't know insiders. I'm not a prophet or a son of a prophet. In fact, some people think I'm a son of a *****! Jesus called the corrupt religious PTB 'sons of snakes'. Perhaps there was some literal truth to this statement. Jesus also said to be wise as serpents...and harmless as doves. Was Jesus referring to reptilian humanoids? I doubt that he was implying that rattlesnakes were wise. It also seems that he considered 'serpents' to be dangerous. I keep getting the feeling that these beings(if they exist) are very smart and powerful...yet very ugly, disfunctional, maladjusted, out of control, and extremely dangerous. If Lucifer had a change of heart...I suspect that the others would follow...and could be eventually reconciled with the human race. I sense that their governmental system is absolute tyranny and strict obedience. They probably want us to become completely subservient and obedient to them. I bet a lot of them would secretly like to be free. Lucifer probably has a delusion of ownership regarding humanity...and probably says 'If I can't have them...nobody can!' They probably need us more than we need them. The point? The current co-dependent relationship is reminiscent of an abused wife who stays with her husband...despite the continued verbal and physical abuse. The human race needs to just say 'NO!' to One Nation Under Satan: The Old World Disorder Reptilian Theocracy. Lucifer: 'Let my people go...and let your reptilians go. Then, simply retire...and take an extended vacation to Orion. You've earned it. Raising hell with the human race is a lot of work!'

[orthodoxymoron]

There is almost no interest in the subject of this thread. I'm sincerely asking where I might find someone with which to discuss this subject...other than with an alphabet agency employee who has orders to 'convince' me to pursue other subjects and interests?! Is this sort of thing considered to be a threat to U.S. national security...or is a discussion of this subject a threat to reptilian national security? Or are they one and the same? This inquiring mind wants to know. The information is available on a 'need to know' basis...and I need to know!

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm still interested in hearing from people who have sampled the video links in the first post. I'm particularly interested in whether you think there are parallels regarding what is happening today. I continue to be somewhat non-committal. I'm seeing an intensifying good vs evil battle in our world...but I'm having a difficult time identifying the players and the solutions. Help!

[orthodoxymoron]

Has anyone sampled the links in the first post? If I claimed to be a contactee or an alien...and lied like heck...there would probably be thousands of views...and hundreds of comments. What's going on here? I'm not seeking approval. I desire an objective evaluation of the subject of this thread by people with more knowledge and experience than I have.

[Malynda]

I have bookmarked this thread so that I can respond once I get an opportunity to watch the links. I remember watching this as a child with my mom. I think she knew a lot more than she knew she did. My mother passed not too long ago and I tink I am subconsciously pushing this to the back burner because I will miss being able to watch this with her. I am working on clearing out my backlog of videos to view today and will post asap.

[recallone]

Alright. I'm watching them. Give me a day or so.
I'm not sure what you're going for, here - do you think this is what will play out?
I'm on part 8 now, btw.

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm trying to communicate the overall picture which seems to emerge after watching all of the links...including 'V'. In isolation...each of the links do not necessarily make a substantial impact. But as a group...there seems to be a pattern of connected dots. Do you notice any parallels with current events?

I'm tending to think that the 'alien presence' may be underground rather than from outer space...and may trace back to Atlantis and Lemuria. I tend to think that people in the know are trying to inform us of something ominous without causing us to panic or go crazy. 'Disclosure' may be more horrifying and disillusioning than it is exhilarating and inspiring. I tend to think that most of the insiders are on the side of the human race.

[David]

orthodoxymoron, just saw this thread and will be watching the videos.

[David]

The recollection of my experiences and understanding of the Reptilian's and Greys' was up setting. This is mainly due to the fact that I thought we were alone on this rock and then suddenly I'm wrong. Go figure.

Mom and Dad were right. There were no monsters in my closet and under my bed. My fear made them into monsters.

All of those strange events in my life have been pieced together. Unknowingly I have been guided, taken care of and watched over my entire life. My first conclusion of our friends were wrong. They are not evil or demonic an instead they are our friends.

So the next time your driving down a empty dark road at night and notice a reptilian sitting behind you in your rear view mirror. Tell them I said hi.

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you. Again...I'm just fact finding...or at least narrowing down which theories might be at least partially true. Other than the internet...I don't talk to people about this stuff. This is sort of a mental laboratory. Hopefully people can learn something from this...and at the appropriate time...and in the appropriate manner...communicate that which will make things better. This is the sort of thing which should probably be kicked around for years before doing a lot of verbalizing. It's fascinating...even if it is 95% bs. I have determined that at least 5% is true...but I don't know which 5%!

[David]

I'll comment on the other videos tomorrow.


I watched the V series with my parents. What a great show. It was like watching Star Wars but now Earth was under attack.


Videos
1. The only reptilians I have met are the greenish type with the cloak. They have a very strong presence. Scaly type skin and have seen the triangle embling on them and the grays. Shape shifting to my knowledge has only been done in forced imagery. Have also seen them fade in and out of this dimension. Always testing me to see what I know of them and how I react in their presence but also take care not to go too far. Just enough to my breaking point and then pull back to let me digest the info. Rinse and repeat with new test.

2. Satanic reptilian overlords....eh… to me it’s another blame game for the crimes of humanity to be pinned on someone else.

[orthodoxymoron]

Wow! I don't know how to respond to what you have said. I'd be heading for the nearest exit in a hurry if I ever saw one. How does one really determine whether a being is benevolent or malevolent? Some people can be really nice and polite...while they stab you in the back. I would assume that the same is true for non-humans. My bias is that we are dealing with the bad-guys. I'd love to go for a joy-ride with a disk full of reps and greys...if and only if...I absolutely knew...beyond any shadow of a doubt...that they really were benevolent and angelic. I think that there is a lot of lying and deception going on. I've had a couple of experiences with unseen entities who manipulated physical objects in an intelligent manner...and perhaps they were reptilians or greys.

[David]

During the past couple years, I have been awake to the fact that they exist. I spent the majority of my energy focusing on the Grays and Human-ish types. However, the more I focused on them, them more the Reptilians would tap me on the shoulders. Kind of a "Here I am" "Don't ignore me".

Prior to the later, major abductions by the Reptilians, a Human Hybrid female and I were conversing but beside her were two Reptilians. The female has a very strong loving and positive energy feel and the Reptilians have a heavy dark feel. They were definitely friends.

It took a long time before my interaction with the Reptilians to be allowed. This is due to the fact of the negative stereotyping and I had to be built up to handle their presence.

[recallone]

Okay, I watched all parts.
Now what?
You want to talk about whether or not this tv mini-series was prophetic or not? Wondering if this was another instance of hiding the truth in plain sight? Handing it to us like the murals at the Denver airport?
Sure. Maybe. I don't know.

My question to you is this...how does the answer to any of these questions change your vibration about it? Do you think you'll have a greater piece of mind about possible timelines if you were to see the playbook ahead of time? Do you think you could prepare more adequately if you knew more? I see the parallels that you suggest, but I also see it in movies like the Matrix. There's no shortage of movies these days that flirt with conspiracy-like subject matter. Sooooooo......what now? NOW is still all there is. Future and past are playthings for the ego, but illusory nonetheless.

I don't know that our conceptualization of humans as a food source translates accurately. I think we're fed upon, but through emotions. The stories about vampires and such are somewhat accurate...the way that bible stories are somewhat accurate. Somewhat. There are such things as energy vampires, that manipulate energy out of you. Maybe not sinking their teeth into your neck and draining your life force, but certainly draining your energy nonetheless. To fully round out the thought and the bible reference, take a look at tithing. 10% of your dough to the church, right? This coincides with the law of abundance, but that doesn't mean that money should go to an institution that professes a greater connection to source than you have! Give! Love! And you will receive and be loved in return.

My point is that there is so much more to this gig than we even have the ability to wrap our heads around at this point. Taking that into consideration...hold on loosely.

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you for your consideration and observations. My vibration is that we could be in the middle of a 'V' scenario...with underground bases instead of spaceships. Some claim that children are prefered food for reptilians. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpDSpVr85dA 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGoi1oMQj78&feature=related
This possibility does not provide peace of mind. Do you think there are Deep Underground Military Bases? If so...how many...and might they involve reptilian or grey
non-human beings? Could this potentially have something to do with the New World Order? Could ultimate authority and control over planet Earth...reside underground...and be non-human? These are questions for everyone who reads this thread. I have more questions than answers. Regarding tithing: Jesus told people to give to the poor...not to the church. In fact...Jesus didn't tell people to go to church. Just the opposite. He told them to pray privately.

[recallone]

Thank-you for your consideration and observations. My vibration is that we could be in the middle of a 'V' scenario...with underground bases instead of spaceships. Some claim that children are prefered food for reptilians. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpDSpVr85dA 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGoi1...eature=related
This possibility does not provide peace of mind. Do you think there are Deep Underground Military Bases? If so...how many...and might they involve reptilian or grey
non-human beings? Could this potentially have something to do with the New World Order? Could ultimate authority and control over planet Earth...reside underground...and be non-human? These are questions for everyone who reads this thread. I have more questions than answers. Regarding tithing: Jesus told people to give to the poor...not to the church. In fact...Jesus didn't tell people to go to church. Just the opposite. He told them to pray privately.


okay, for starters - here's what's such a huge trip.
I read this response without having looked at the links. My wife and I proceeded to have a conversation about this very thing. From the pull and recognition of various beings, to the unreasonable number of child abductions. Then I watched the videos (halfway through part 9 now). Trip that they were almost verbatim, minus the names and star systems that is.

I'm aware of this information too, sadly enough. And I wish it were more difficult for people to simply stick their heads in the sand about all of this information. Certainly, it's troubling. Yes, there are underground bases. How many? Lots. Stupid amounts (pun intended D.U.M.B.). We weren't the first ones here. There were underground happenings before the deluge. There are more now.

But in addition to the happenings and trials of this dimension, there are other things happening on other dimensions. Like Alex eluded to, we're considered royalty because of our immense potential. Junk DNA anyone?

This is a battle fought on many fronts. We're right in the middle of a multi-dimensional, multi-faceted game of tug-of-war. Many fronts. From the programming that instills a sense of division to the psy-ops and channeled misdirection. As well as benevolent guidance, or hints. We're beings poisoned, futher controlled and dominated and things are not so good. So right about now would be a good time for every one of us to start tapping into that greater collective that allows for some DNA activation and us reclaiming what's rightfully ours. FREE WILL.
We ARE powerhouses. Every one of us. The mother:mad3:of it is that we think we're less than, because we've been programmed to think so, and by our powers of creation...we are. I can't offer any kind of practical visualization as to how it will play out. I don't know if we're going to be able to navigate various dimensions at will or fly like superman in this one...but I'm wide open to all of it. And therefore I'll create . . . all of it.
We will.

I can't say I know anything for certain. But all evidence points towards a really bitchin' design that's been waaaaaaaay underutilized up until this point. Time to pull up our socks and get busy, I think. Let's look at this for what it is and break out the tools.
In the now there's power. In connection, there's power.
What kind of power?
The kind you can't even begin to wrap your head around yet. :shocked:.
That kind of power.
:trumpet:Call to arms, baby. Call to arms.

[recallone]

Oh, this is just too perfect. Right after posting the above reply, this was in my inbox.

Official Trailer - Why Walk When You Can Fly? The Movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNiSIP63D7k

[orthodoxymoron]

I agree with everything you said...and I loved the video. I am pro human-race...the entire human race...not just certain people or a special group. And I am pro responsible-freedom. I will positively reinforce these priorities...and if aliens, spirits, gods, anyone, or anything get in the way...they will be speed bumps to me.
We can do amazing things...and the truth will set us free.

[recallone]

I agree with everything you said...and I loved the video. I am pro human-race...the entire human race...not just certain people or a special group. And I am pro responsible-freedom. I will positively reinforce these priorities...and if aliens, spirits, gods, anyone, or anything get in the way...they will be speed bumps to me.
We can do amazing things...and the truth will set us free.

Nice. :thumb_yello: I like your attitude.

By the way, thanks for the link to that interview. I'm watching all of it now.
Peace

[Seashore]

Found these on Google:

"V the Final Battle final 1" (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3724667612361217514&q=source%3A015671046521838471716&hl=en)
"V the Final Battle final 2" (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2040361659653215949&q=source%3A015671046521838471716&hl=en)

[orthodoxymoron]

seashore: You're the best! You're hired! Unfortunately...I can't pay you...I'm broke...

[orthodoxymoron]

Once again...please consider these links...and tell me what you think...what you really, really think. Forgive me...but I once went to a Spice Girls concert and made a fool out of myself! Seriously...I think these links should be viewed at least once...whether you believe in this sort of thing...or not. I'm not sure what I believe...but I'm leaning in the direction of there being some truth to the material presented in this thread.

Also, there is a character in 'V' which appears to be a CIA agent...who turns out to be a huge help in removing the alien presence. The common citizens he is helping don't like him...but they do what he tells them to do...because he knows exactly what's going on...and knows exactly what to do. This may be something to keep in mind if the excrement hits the refrigeration system.

Please don't ignore this thread.

[mntruthseeker]

If you haven't already...check out the links on my first post. I tend to think the really good-guys are out there...but that the bad-guys we are dealing with are down there...underground. This stuff did not originate in my mind...but I am tending to focus on the interrelationship of governments, religions, reptilians, aliens, conspiracies...and the concept that we may have to save ourselves...and that our saviours are mostly not our friends. God save us from our Saviours. Also...it's possible that Earth is as good as it gets in the universe. I hope this isn't the case...but what if it is? Constitutional Responsible Freedom may be something new in the universe...which could conceivably be ruled by a tyrannical universal theocracy...a Universal Church. Does God rule the universe? Do beings throughout the universe vote on various issues...or are they told what to do...without discussion? Are there elections to pick a new God every 1,000 years or so...or is the same God always in power...forever? Don't misunderstand. I believe in a very, very good and kind God...that is very, very good at delegating authority and power. A God who hoards power and demands worship and praise...is really a Satan. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I would have to agree with you. My friend actually communicates with them and after I started checking into all of this, I got so paranoid that I thought it best I stay away from her. It's funny though because she understands. She has been on a quest for about 20 years now and I love her to piece for who she is. She has helped me tremendously and I feel fortunate to have met her. She reminds me of Dan Burisch and Bob Dean because she really loves the ones she communicates with. Lauren also warned me off people over at project astro vera as certain ones truly only believe that they are all evil. I don't feel that way, I think they just had bad experiences.

I believe in God and it sure isn't satan or the one the elites try to shove down our throats threatening us damnation. My God is not evil.....He/She is beautiful and loving.

[orthodoxymoron]

I keep thinking that we have a three way universal brawl on our hands...and that no one is guiltless. I'd just like to break the damn fight up...and come to some kind of a crude agreement...to stop hurting and killing each other. I may be highly delusional...but isn't brainstorming and speculation a legitimate pursuit...as long as one does not pretend to be an authority? I don't want any humans, reptilians, or greys to be hurt or killed...even the demonic entities. I think that humans, reptilians, and greys can be angelic or demonic. I think we have some seriously messed up beings in this crazy universe. I don't know who committed the original sin...or who has the most negative karma built up...but everyone needs to just stop. I'm tending to see humans vs reptilians as the biggest problem. The greys seem to be somewhat mercenary. Perhaps they are caught in the middle. Perhaps they keep us alive. I don't know. All of the above is probably error ridden...and possibly total bs...but that is how I see things presently...in a simplified thumbnail sketch.

[mntruthseeker]

there are both good and bad ETs, you got that right. The ones we would consider bad have been caught up in this ****.

Here is a link that I have been reading online regarding most of what you are questioning Orthodoxymoron. As I read it, alot of things run through my head that I have already discovered on my searches. So much it rang true to me. I think you will like this and probally get lost in it like I have. I was spending alot of time there until I seen parts of David Ickes book and then I got lost in that. Its also linked to Alex Collier. Nor sure how you feel about him. I found him very knowledgeable. (runined that word, lol) along with Michael Tsarsion. But it rings true with so so many others lately

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/lfa/lfa.html

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you. I'm checking out the link now. I pick and choose with Icke and Collier. I agree with their editorial bias...but I don't know about the details. I just rewatched Alex Collier's 1994 interview by Rick Keefe. I continue to think that he did a lot of research, soul searching, and channeling...and had inside sources...but that he didn't live aboard an Andromedan spaceship which was bigger on the inside than on the outside...for months at a time. I tend to think that he took solid forbidden knowledge...and placed it in a fictional setting...to get his point across. I could be wrong. I like listening to Alex Collier.

I particularly liked this part: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/lfa/v3n1grey.html I could read this sort of thing for hours and hours...even if it were proven to be completely fictional. I keep asking myself 'Did Giza Intelligence link arms with the Vatican and the NAZI's?' and 'Was Nicola Tesla an integral part of this?' I keep thinking that studying Giza Intelligence, the Vatican, the NAZI's, and Nicola Tesla are vital keys to unlocking the mystery of aliens, ufo's, modern technology, world government, and world religion. I just don't have the resources to do this myself. I hope someone is reading this who does have the drive, intelligence, and resources to do this. But watch your backside! The various alien/human factions may turn out to be quite shocking. It may be difficult to know who the good guys and bad guys really are. What if the NAZI's...in the 30's at least...were trying to do the right thing? I'm not saying I believe this. I'm just suggesting that truth may be much stranger than fiction...and that all possibilities should be considered.

When listening to Al Bielek...I heard him mention a change in NAZI/Alien affiliation in 1941. Does anyone know anything about this? Could this be why things went downhill very quickly...and such horrible atrocities were perpetrated? I continue to be very perplexed by the contrast of Hitler/Germany in the 30's and Hitler/Germany in the 40's. Help...somebody!

Check out the 'Dulce Book' by Branton: http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce_book.html I don't know how much of this to believe...but the possibilities are enormous. How do we really know what is going on...or not going on? Again...I could read this sort of thing for hours and hours...even if it were proven to be completely fictitious.

[orthodoxymoron]

'V' really is going to be revisited. The visitors will be revisiting Earth...as early as November 2009: YouTube - ABC's 'V' - Upfront Trailer - with Elizabeth Mitchell - 3rd November 2009

[orthodoxymoron]

What are your thoughts about the new 'V' series coming soon on ABC? Do you think the original series revealed a lot of hidden factual information? Do you think the upcoming series will reveal a lot of hidden factual information? Why? Why not?

I don't have a TV...but I think I'm going to get a cheap one to view this series. I tend to think this is going to be very big. Could this series involve the actual appearance of a UFO fleet...and possibly official disclosure by the US government?

[Ross H]

yea, it's starting here in OZ in a couple of weeks...I'l be watching with close intent:thumb_yello:

[Hogosha]

Ill repost later wanted to edit, and then i delited the msg....

[Unified Serenity]

It's a reverse psy op. How can disclosure happen and saying aliens are visiting and our friends? People are being deluged with negative alien imagery and apocalyptic future events. Fear runs rampant just below the surface of 99.9% of the population who are just trying to continue their boring mundane lives here in America.

It would not take much to set off mass riots based on fear. A bad economy, lost jobs, race baiting, negative movies and then a staged false flag alien invasion should bring most running to tptb to fix this charade.

It's all predictable.

[Kinsuemei2]

Of course, I love V it is another propaganda machine, just like Star Wars was, and still is in my opinion.
I also worry about the Hoaxed invasion because of course the USA is going to be a prime target, and make no mistake that many people are planned to die in this invasion, it would not be an invasion without loss of life, this is what Alex Collier refers to when he mentions bringing this country to it's knees.

As the toughest country to convince of said attack would be the US.
However I think that some of the installations that the Reptilians have, or the Dow would take this lightly, this is 1 placing their food source at risk, & 2 confirming their existence in the mind of the populace, and this is a legitimate fear that they carry.

The biggest problem a hunter has is if his prey is aware of his existence and intentions.

The reptilians are indeed on the move for whatever reason, and my contact has boosted in five years I have had over 50 single contacts with the reptilian race, in the past three days the contact has been on an daily basis, with more than just one reptilian, my family recently had to spend the night at Denny's it got so bad.

[orthodoxymoron]

If there really was a genuine power struggle in our solar system involving human extraterrestrials in league with interdimensional reptilian beings against Earth humans in league with who knows what...how would non-corrupt powers that be communicate this harsh reality with the general public?

I tended to think that the original series communicated a lot of truth regarding an alien invasion that has been ongoing for thousands of years. I considered the possibility that the huge ufo's were really deep underground military bases.

I worry that we do not consider everything from all angles all the time. We can reject legitimate and well intentioned warnings...or we can stampede with the rest of the herd...all too easily.

Here's the latest on "V" from ABC: http://abc.go.com/shows/v/

[orthodoxymoron]

Just when you thought it was safe to come out of your Shallow Underground Civilian Base...it's starting all over again. "V" is on tonight on ABC. The horror.

I'm going to spend the afternoon reviewing this thread...and viewing the original "V" series one more time. I suggest that you do the same. The horror.

Consider yourselves warned. The horror.

Siriusly...I just noticed two things as I started to rewatch the series. 1. The visitors wished to honor the U.N. Charter (not the U.S. Constitution). 2. The visitors were from Sirius. Hmmmmmmmmmm.......

[Jacqui D]

Sadly we can't get this new V in the UK i tried to watch it but is says for US only.
The main guy in it i noticed is the same one out of the 4400 what happened to that series i think that was nearer the truth in all of this.
We have a thread at the moment running by Viking regarding the galactic ferderation and giving disclosure that's worth a read but take it or leave it is my suggestion.
I will have to go back Oxy and look at your original links to the old V so long ago now i can not remember them, i got waylaid before do not know why i did not watch them anyhow i will go over them again.
Can not compare with the new one because i can not get it in the UK.
Both the Watcher and James Casbolt are giving similar disclosures so are we being ramped up for something or is this going to be another like last year with the blossom goodchild scenario maybe she got the dates wrong and it was 2009?

For me i am not fearing, this is the worst thing you can do, if there is a war out there we will be stuck in the middle for sure.
Just be the all powerful being that you are and know none of us die we simply become the light energies that we are, there will be a change that has to come, but i do not believe the supreme creator of all will allow the children of earth to be lost we will all be allocated our place when the time is right.
It seems i'll be busy for a while looking at those old V videos i'll get back to you Oxy when i have taken a look:wink2:

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Jacqui D.

Sometimes I wonder if the so called reptilians are mostly (or completely) non-physical. Could the visitors simply be human extraterrestrials from Sirius...who are controlled by non-physical reptilian beings? Are there native reptilians who live underground...and basically leave everyone alone? But are they being blamed for all the trouble? Will the human et's from Sirius 'save' us from the reppies who weren't a problem to begin with? Then...would our demonically controlled human 'saviors' proceed to rule us with an iron fist...to keep us safe from those damned reptilians...who could strike at any moment? Could the non-physical demonic reptilians be the souls of a physical reptilian race who might have been exterminated in an ancient human vs reptilian war? Could this help to explain their supposed great hatred toward the human race? Do these hypothetical non-physical reptilian souls want to inhabit human bodies...and then completely exterminate the human race...and subsequently live in our homes...and work in our cities? What solid evidence is there that physical reptilian beings exist...and eat our children? Are the disappearing children really being used for another purpose...such as slave labor?

Just a thought.

[lindabaker]

JacquiD: Sorry to see that V is not available in the UK at present. However, I may have a solution. See if you can get hulu.com. They have ABC shows online. I watched the V trailer yesterday. LB

[recallone]

I don't know what to make of various television shows and movies and what the real agenda is behind them. I, too noticed how Hollywood is making movies that more or less portray aliens in a negative light. Disney is going to release a cartoon movie (Planet 51 (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809912816/info) - cute title, huh?) about a human going to an alien world and HE'S the scary alien to all of them. Shows like Heroes are hinting at something - but is that something a beneficial something, or is it just enough of a scraping of truth (I'm talking about DNA activation, btw) to lure in the moderately informed as a means to capture the attention of, bring down the guard of, and then misdirect that audience's creative energy towards another end? And what of disclosure? Seems to me there were a handful of heavy hitters that were saying a two hour slot on a major network had been booked to be aired before the end of October...and it didn't happen. Maybe all of this is to keep us occupied, to buy some time. Who knows.

There are some concepts, that while not considered by many to be legitimate science, and certainly not accepted as a societal norm - they ARE in fact, real. We DO manifest our future. If the so-called 'elite' of the spiritual warriors can be duped into feeding their energy into something designed by the 'financial elite' (control, depopulation, etc), then the movie, tv show, whatever has served it's purpose. I think about the money involved in producing any such endeavor and the obvious question comes to mind - who is bankrolling these productions? I mean, really.

Nothing is for sure. I don't fully understand any of their plans. Which is why I question all of it. There is a psychological war going on with everything that's offered on the screen, of that I'm sure. Emotions are manipulated on a mass scale for the effect thousands upon thousands can have upon a universe that responds to our vibrations and intentions. All I can do is tend to mine, I suppose.

[orthodoxymoron]

Could it be that most of the elites thought they were in control of the alien/spirit/demon/whatever situation...until a few years ago, that is? Did the rude awakening occur in the late 1970's? Could shows such as "V" be legitimate attempts to warn the general public regarding what is really going on? I don't know. My gut feeling is that the Deep Underground Military Bases...the Secret Space Program...and the Secret Government are no longer in native human hands (if they ever were).

I have speculated elsewhere that two rival theocratic human extraterrestrial factions (Pleiades and Aldebaran) have been engaged in a civil war for a very long time...and that both of them have utilized demonic (reptilian?) forces to fight with each other...and that this God-Contest has extended to Earth. In fact this could help to explain how we got here in the first place. I have further speculated that another non-theocratic human extraterrestrial faction (who does not deal with the devil)...has been seeking a Solar System Exorcism and native human rule of the Solar System via Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom in the context of a non-corrupt United Nations.

All of the above is mostly based upon thin-air...but heck...if the FED can base the world economy on thin-air...anything's possible. I have tried to be internally consistent...and take a wide variety of sources into account...but a lot of the speculation is based upon reflection and intuition. I'm basically neurotic and insecure...and this drives me to look for answers...which I never seem to find. Hope springs eternal.

Did anyone watch the first episode? I bought a cheap digital TV (so the TV can watch me while I watch the TV)...actually just so I could watch "V". I thought it was quite good. It actually made me cry. I just presently think that the reptilian phenomenon is mostly non-physical. But what do I know? Gotta go. The attendants are telling me that I have to put my straightjacket back on.

[Jacqui D]

Thank-you Jacqui D.

Sometimes I wonder if the so called reptilians are mostly (or completely) non-physical.
well those that attacked me last year were very physical.


Could the visitors simply be human extraterrestrials from Sirius...who are controlled by non-physical reptilian beings?Hm! not sure that makes sense really but we have to look at things from always.

Are there native reptilians who live underground...and basically leave everyone alone? But are they being blamed for all the trouble?
yes these ones underground in the inner earth were the true decendents weren't they if it is true what i have read, these were peaceful ones apparently, could all this hype about the reps being bad have been put about for us to fear them, not sure. It was the Anunaki who forced these underground in the first place because they wanted the planet for themselves if i have got that right.

Will the human et's from Sirius 'save' us from the reppies who weren't a problem to begin with? Then...would our demonically controlled human 'saviors' proceed to rule us with an iron fist...to keep us safe from those damned reptilians...who could strike at any moment?
Sounds your as lost as me Oxy in all of this i have made speculation upon speculation on this and keep coming back to square one again.

Could the non-physical demonic reptilians be the souls of a physical reptilian race who might have been exterminated in an ancient human vs reptilian war? Could this help to explain their supposed great hatred toward the human race?
The things is there are so many mixed races here we do not know from whom is whom so to speak, they have had control we know this, but i get a feeling and do not shout me down for this but the humans lack of learning the higher level of consciousness has been the problem all the way along, we have wanted others to sort out problems for us calling in these beings so to speak from the beginning, in a way we have allowed ourselves to be taken over rather than taking back what was rightfully ours, that's my take on it.

Do these hypothetical non-physical reptilian souls want to inhabit human bodies...
i think they do that anyway.

and then completely exterminate the human race...and subsequently live in our homes...and work in our cities?
Why would they wish to do that they are a different race if they wanted to exterminate us all they would live how they were meant to live as a rep not a human, don;t forget the body is only a vehicle, we take this form because we were given this form, the reason a rep would take this form is to deceive and to hide within our society.

What solid evidence is there that physical reptilian beings exist..
well the mark on my arm is one proof i would say and the fact i did physically see these things and were attacked by one of them,but i will not say for sure it was a rep the being i was attacked by was a predator type being but i have been told these are of the rep race but they are an elite fighting group.

.and eat our children? Are the disappearing children really being used for another purpose...such as slave labor?
well child parts have been discovered in certain areas so we can not rule out this does happen, however can we say all reps are like this not sure, if the those in the middle earth are peaceful these ones who do these abductions may be engineered ones by military etc.


Just a thought.
now i must get on and watch those vids.

[Jacqui D]

Thanks Linda i will try that!:thumb_yello:





JacquiD: Sorry to see that V is not available in the UK at present. However, I may have a solution. See if you can get hulu.com. They have ABC shows online. I watched the V trailer yesterday. LB

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Jacqui D for your thoughtful answers. That attack sounds absolutely horrifying. We the people of Earth should not have to put up with this sort of thing. Here is a hairsplitting point: Does the ability of an entity to exert force and inflict injury really prove that they have a truly physical body? Do these entities crave the human body?

I'm going to back-off of this subject for awhile...or at least I'm going to try. Too much of a bad thing or a good thing...is a bad thing. I really don't know what I'm talking about regarding this subject. I'm just trying to learn. I'm now turning my attention to world news...and I'm presently watching BBC World News. Even the bad news is refreshing compared to the reptilian and alien invasion stuff.

[lindabaker]

I watched V last night. I have not seen the previous tv series, so it was all new to me. Of course, info from the Avalon site had me aware of the Reps. :lightsabre:

First of all, it was well produced...great sets, great casting with one exception, fast moving story line, perfect special effects, and multiple character introductions, all of which were surprisingly deep considering the limited amount of time given to each character introduction. I like that they cast typical looking people (that is, Earth people) and let them speak in more than four word sentences. What I didn't like was who they chose as the Media guy, didn't catch character name. He is too weaseley. Maybe there is a reason for this...so I'll hold off on my further criticism. All in all, it was better than I expected, but I haven't watched a regular tv show since they cancelled Northern Exposure and then Boston Legal, so I have not much with which to compare. Thanks, orthodoxymoron, for giving me the heads up. I just may have to watch one hour of tv a week.

[orthodoxymoron]

Here is a link to wikipedia for 'V': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_2009_TV_series Then click the top link...and then click the top link! For some reason I can't make the posted link work directly like they usually do. This thread was started in April...and the series was announced in May. Hmmmmmmmmm! You don't suppose. Actually the decision to do the remake was made in January...I believe. Certainly months before this thread was started. Someone in an earlier post mentioned the timing...and it made me wonder too!

[Phtha]

What are your thoughts about the new 'V' series coming soon on ABC? Do you think the original series revealed a lot of hidden factual information? Do you think the upcoming series will reveal a lot of hidden factual information? Why? Why not?



I've recently been watching the original series (there's an active torrent at mininova with all 19 episodes). I don't know how factual the information is, but here are some facts I thought kind of ironic and funny.
The hybrid earth born child was named E-lizi-beth or a-lizard-birth, and two of the main commanders from the visitors, the ebil man eating reptoids, were named Charles and Diana, who were also to get married in the series.

The new series is also up at mininova for those that don't have a tv. I haven't watched it yet, but a review came up at pp that might interest some of you:
http://www.infowars.com/abc%E2%80%99s-v-joseph-goebbels-would-be-proud/

[TempestGarden]

The hybrid earth born child was named E-lizi-beth or a-lizard-birth

:mfr_lol: I never thought about that before and I have seen the original series many, many times. In fact, I have all of it on DVD. That is too funny!

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Phtha. The linked review was informative. Whoever wrote it was quite thorough. I can't imagine anyone going to that much trouble to write a review like that! I'm feeling somewhat burned-out regarding all of this. I'm seeing two theocratic human/reptilian factions (Pleiadian and Aldebaran) battling for control of the New World Order...with a third non-theocratic human faction (Andromedan) opposing the other two factions. I'm further seeing all of the above as being both native and extraterrestrial.

I think that both 'V' series (1983 and 2009) are attempts at disclosure. They obviously have purely fictional aspects...but I think there is a core of truth. I think that at this point...we have a short time-frame to sort through a mass of formerly classified information...and to then proceed to clean house in an orderly and thorough manner. The failure to do so may be most catastrophic to humanity. The following is my broken-record partial solution to the problems which seem to be facing the Solar System and Humanity: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Please take a look at this thread. I could be very wrong regarding the proposed solutions...but the subject of Solar System Governance is very important and urgent.

[Carol]

There are only 1143 days left until the superwave and the new golden era. :tongue2:

[TheObserver]

And counting!! :original:

[orthodoxymoron]

In case you missed it, or wish to rewatch it...here is the first episode of "V" 2009: http://abc.go.com/watch/v/240273/240461?i=1&aff=&al=&aa=&partner=comcast&pc=1073&pl=http%3A//ll.static.abc.com/streaming/images/player/mainlogos/abc_on_fancast_logo.png

[orthodoxymoron]

"V" is on tonight. I'll report back after it's over. I've rewatched the first episode on abc.com.

OK...I watched the second episode...in spite of reception problems with my broken rabbit-ear antenna. I'll have to rewatch it online...and get some new rabbit-ears. The series is settling into the plot...having moved past the wow-factor of the first episode. Everyone's lives are getting much more complex. There is a bit of a 'sanitized' factor...which doesn't quite square with what I would expect life to really be like if the V's really showed up. And how the heck do I know what that might really be like? Actually we might have real visitors sometime soon.

If human beings were brought to Earth (rather than evolving here or being created here)...was anyone here when they (we) arrived? Could reptilian beings have been here already? Actual physical reptilians? Could human beings have possibly fought with them...and destroyed them...along with the dinosaurs? Are we now battling with the souls of these slain reptilian beings? Is there a remnant of reptilian survivors living deep within Earth? Could this be one reason why reptilians supposedly think Earth belongs to them...and why they supposedly hate humans? Do these disembodied reptilians want human bodies...and 'their' Earth? Is that why we hear of walk-ins, soul-scalping, soul-transference, extermination, etc? If this were the case...what would be the solution...for both races? Just thought I'd ask. I want the truth...but what if the truth is too hard?

Question: where do the V's live? Answer: In a V-Hive.

[orthodoxymoron]

Have real V's arrived? Check out this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16588&page=24 :mfr_omg:

[orthodoxymoron]

What do you think about 'V'? I really like it a lot...so far. I've also been rewatching the Stargate SG1 series. I was thinking that it would be really cool if both concepts were combined into one series. What would be even more cool...is if the complete and honest truth regarding universal history and the 'alien presence' were shown in a very high-budget 20 episode series. That might be the best way to handle disclosure. On the other hand...we're probably half-way through disclosure already...and we're still waiting!

[orthodoxymoron]

I've recently been watching the original series (there's an active torrent at mininova with all 19 episodes). I don't know how factual the information is, but here are some facts I thought kind of ironic and funny.
The hybrid earth born child was named E-lizi-beth or a-lizard-birth, and two of the main commanders from the visitors, the ebil man eating reptoids, were named Charles and Diana, who were also to get married in the series.

The new series is also up at mininova for those that don't have a tv. I haven't watched it yet, but a review came up at pp that might interest some of you:
http://www.infowars.com/abc%E2%80%99s-v-joseph-goebbels-would-be-proud/

Were they trying to tell us something about the Royal Family?! Calling David Icke!!

[orthodoxymoron]

In the context of 'V'...please consider this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 It seems to me to be a simple yet effective escape method from some very deep quicksand. So far...there has been very little interest. I just wish to discuss the basic issues associated with Solar System Governance (SSG). Just trying to make common sense statements...and proposing reasonable solutions...doesn't seem to attract very many people. Why is this? Why does it seem to take crisis, pain, greed, fear, etc...to motivate people? Why doesn't common sense and reason...stated calmly...seem to work?

Could "V" be related to the subject of "Gizeh (or Giza) Intelligence"? Take a look at this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11123&highlight=gizeh+intelligence I'm just trying to generate some discussion. I don't have the answers...just a lot of questions. Please look at the 3 linked threads in this post. I think they may be interrelated. But the subjects are in need of further study and refinement.

Here is another thread which could be related to "V": http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15014 It is somewhat inflammatory and controversial...but the discussion has been minimal. This puzzles me. I mean no harm. Where have I heard that before?! It has to do with who may be running the show here on Earth. It is mostly speculation...as are most of my posts. I'm just trying to solve some of the world's problems (and my problems) by asking a lot of questions. Unfortunately...many more problems introduce themselves...uninvited.

It won't be easy...but I think we're going to make it. Hang on!

[Jacqui D]

this interests me OXY but i just keep going round in circles, like you i am banging my head agains a brick wall here:wall:just when i feel my suspicions could be right something comes up and i am back to square one again. will we ever get an answer Hm! well i have watched quite a few of those old V videos now although many inuendos still nothing which hits me so to speak sorry oxy i think i'm brain dead now!!:naughty:






In the context of 'V'...please consider this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 It seems to me to be a simple yet effective escape method from some very deep quicksand. So far...there has been very little interest. I just wish to discuss the basic issues associated with Solar System Governance (SSG). Just trying to make common sense statements...and proposing reasonable solutions...doesn't seem to attract very many people. Why is this? Why does it seem to take crisis, pain, greed, fear, etc...to motivate people? Why doesn't common sense and reason...stated calmly...seem to work?

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Jacqui D. I feel as though we are under some sort of a spell. I feel like I'm fighting an invisible battle continually. It takes extreme effort just to make a little bit of progress. When this crisis is over...I think we will be absolutely amazed at how simple the true solutions really were.

[orthodoxymoron]

I just rewatched the first episode again...and I'll rewatch the second episode tomorrow on abc.com. I really liked the special effects. The connection between the V's and religion/devotion is intriguing. I notice that they renamed the church for the actual broadcast. The church in the previews had a different name. Also...I'm wondering if Chad and Anna are conspiring to do the right thing? We'll have to wait and see!

[777 The Great Work]

The V is a wake :lol3:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/d2d3fa7e3f.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Great One! The sun above the watery 'V' could be symbolic of the Sun God from Sirius ruling over the V's...and us! The photo would be even more symbolic if it was taken on Sun God Day! Your old Avatar might be driving the boat (USO)! What Would Anna Say (WWAS)? Perhaps 'they' are trying to 'wake' us up!

I'd better stop. I'm going to rewatch part 2 now.

[orthodoxymoron]

Any more thoughts about 'V'? Have you watched it? What do you think so far? I think this series is huge...and could dovetail with some form of official disclosure. Reading between the story-lines might be productive and illuminating. Never underestimate Hollywood...for good or for evil. :original::sneaky2:

[Jacqui D]

Well if i could get the new V i would get some kind of idea:mad3:unfortuantly here in the UK we can not.
I have tried all links but nothing, have watched all the old ones Oxy, but doesn't really tell you much loved watching them again though!
Your idea of a parallel world with this one makes sense,in fact many parallels could be working alongside us.
I have always believed in worlds within worlds and with the coming changes this illusion is fastly breaking down now, with the interference of time lines (looking glass technology) we are now inter mingling with other so called time lines and natural portholes are opening allowing further off planet entities coming through, this is my guess anyway.
I have to agree that there are old beings here on earth who have been incarnating over and they are no doubt using human bodies, if the aliens have technology which can capture a human consciousness then i would say this is what is happening, they are storing these souls (energies) storing them and keeping them trapped.
You see the problem we have here on earth the net/ quarantine which surrounds the earth placed there by the creator god of earth( not the creator of all ) has stopped all souls (energies) from ascending this has been the problem since time started, on other planets they have learnt that to evolve they must move on, in which they do gladly because to evolve is better for everyone else we have become stagnant.
The creator god here does not wish this he wants his creation to serve him, but the laws of creation say we must all go back to the ultimate creator, so yes we have been trapped here and all the programming of the creator god has trapped many in to this way of living, materialistically.
Now you imagine all those consciounesses which are getting bottlenecked trying to get off the planet but can not, earth can only sustain so much life on it it is getting heavy and needs to regenerate herself.
These ancient ones who have been around for 25,000 years from the last pole shift have been incarnating over and only wish to get back home, some are of 6th/7th density, they will return back or perhaps to the mass of creation eventually, this planet will have to have a massive shake up because this is the only way it can be done.
Doesn't sound a very good scenario but for the better of man kind.
But all will be saved some will stay on this earth and be taken into the 4th density positive, those who have been in control will reside on 4th density negative, this will be a completely different dimension to this earth, then those who have not changed their ways and who like living in this 3d world will by consciounse thought have their own new earth and will continue to incarnate until they have learnt the lesson of evolving and connecting back to the ultimate creator.
NO ONE GETS LEFT BEHIND! we will all be in our place when this happens.
The ET's i feel are helping, some are not i agree many have their own agendas this earth is in a crisis they will all try and get what they can from this but ultimately until earth changes the law of universal evolution can not move on, and this is very important at this time of our learning.
I would suggest anyone looking over on THE WATCHERS thread and James Casbolts the answers are there if you dig deep disclosures are coming but very slowly not sure about full disclosure though, well that's my take on things Oxy, love to hear what everyone else thinks!
Oh and if anyone knows how you can get the new V series in the UK i would love to know thanks. I'm gonna get a :cup: now i feel i need it phew!





Any more thoughts about 'V'? Have you watched it? What do you think so far? I think this series is huge...and could dovetail with some form of official disclosure. Reading between the story-lines might be productive and illuminating. Never underestimate Hollywood...for good or for evil. :original::sneaky2:

[Marian-Librarian]

Is www.hulu.com available to you, Jacqui? They have it on there too...posted on Saturdays. You should be able to view the past 2 shows, if you can access this on your computer.

Hope this helps.

[Jacqui D]

Thank you Marian,that was very kind of you but unfortunately again it is only for the U.S i will keep trying to see if i can find other links if anyone out there knows where we can watch it in the UK can you let me know please.





Is www.hulu.com available to you, Jacqui? They have it on there too...posted on Saturdays. You should be able to view the past 2 shows, if you can access this on your computer.

Hope this helps.

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Jacqui. I think everyone will make it...but what concerns me is how much pain we may have to experience...due to corrupt and evil beings (human and otherwise). We could be facing a very rough and rocky road in the next few years. I'm hoping for the best...but preparing for the worst. The history of this world is not very confidence inspiring. It's been a tough go for most people throughout history.

Try this link to watch the new 'V' episodes: http://abc.go.com/watch/v/240273/240461/pilot

Are we on the verge of a real live 'V'? http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16588&page=26

[orthodoxymoron]

I posted this elsewhere...but it seemed to fit this thread as well. Don't forget to watch the third episode of 'V' tonight. Think about the following while you watch.

Could it be that Satan and Demons are really Interdimensional Draconian Reptilians who hate Humans? Could it be that God, Lucifer, and Jesus are Pleiadian Humans...and that even Lucifer is a good-guy or good-gal? They could all possibly be good. Could it be that they are all at odds with the Dracs...and that they simply have different philosophies regarding how to deal with them? Do they lead the three or four factions which I suspect are headquartered in underground bases...here and on the Moon? I believe in the literal existence of all of the above. With this in mind...consider the following link regarding God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, etc: http://www.lucifer.com/lucifer.html Do the Dracs control the Vatican...against the will of the Curia and the Pope? Is the term 'Luciferian' really a cover for 'Draconian'? I keep thinking that the Dracs need to be kicked out of our Solar System. I keep thinking that no one should bow down and worship anyone...including worshipping God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, et al. We should simply reverence the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Christlike Holy Spirit. We should see Christ in All Persons. Lucifer...is this correct? I continue to suspect that you would be ok if the Dracs were gone...you retired...and if our Solar System was based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. I still wish to hear you improvise on the Cavaille-Coll pipe-organ at Saint Sulpice...after this mess is resolved. Lucifer...can you use your Galactic Rolodex to arrange a Solar System Exorcism...and to arrange replacing the U.N. Charter with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...and have this apply to the entire Solar System? I tend to think that you can. Perhaps you have already called in the strike. If so...thank-you in advance. See you at Saint Sulpice. Namaste Lucifer.

[orthodoxymoron]

Has anyone been watching 'V'? Does anyone know what the ratings are? What did Arbitron know...and when did they know it? Is the scenario believable? Previous episodes are availbale on abc.com. http://abc.go.com/watch/v/240273/241139/there-is-no-normal-anymore#sl-0 The last episode will be available on Saturday. The final episode of 2009 will air on Tuesday. I won't be able to watch...so I'll have to wait till the following Saturday.

[orthodoxymoron]

I can't believe that the new 'V' series is not motivating a heated discussion here in Avaland. Why aren't more people posting? Has anyone watched it? I'm noticing a spike in views...but no spike in comments. I've also noticed this on the 'Gizeh Intelligence' thread. What's going on here?

How do you think the fourth episode will play out? Do you think that 'V' will continue into 2010? Are there motherships really and truly surrounding Earth...even as I type? Is 'V' intended to prepare us for their decloaking? Is 'V' motivated by the good-guys or the bad-guys? Or is the bottom-line the bottom-line?

[Peace of mind]

Last nights episode was very interesting. The V’s were contaminating the Flu shots. I had a little LOL moment when I saw that. It was so surreal.
Not long after that little tidbit was discovered by the resistance, the show ended. and after a commercial break a caption was displayed saying V will continue in March 2010…hmmm

Peace

[Jacqui D]

Okay i really wish i could get to see this new series of V, i have tried every link posted and scoured the net for a UK link blast! it seems i will have to wait til we get it over here, so has it finished already?Hope the UK gets it in the new year, unless your saying Oxy perhaps we won;t get to the new year!!:mfr_omg:

[orthodoxymoron]

I couldn't watch because of work...so I'll have to wait till Saturday to see the fourth episode. I think we'll be here for a long, long time...but the question is whether we will live under an Extraterrestrial Human/Reptilian Theocracy...or under Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom.

Isn't it a bit odd that there is such a long gap in the series? Perhaps by March 2010 we will be living 'V'...and won't have to watch the T'V' series!

[DAYDREAMER]

If you want to watch it and ypu're in the UK, you can download it from thepiratebay or mininova.

[orthodoxymoron]

I just finished watching the fourth and final 'V' episode of 2009. 'V' End! But there is no closure. I don't want to wait until the spring of 2010 to find out what's going to happen. Or...do we now go live? The final scene shows a huge number of 'V' ships at the edge of our Solar System. Or...are they some other type of space fleet? Is something brewing? Hmmmmmm. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16588&page=28&highlight=brewing After watching this episode...do you still want to get your damn vaccine? Don't vaccinate me bro!!

Can the Pleiades, Aldebaran, Andromeda, and Draco be one big happy family under Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom (NCRF)? I don't really know if the four star systems are representative of the major factions at work in this Solar System, or not...but I suspect that NCRF would go a long way toward resolving a lot of problems. I just have the nagging thought that no matter what we do...or how good we try to be...things will still be $crewed-up. I really want to be optimistic about the future...but I'm preparing myself for a very difficult future. Even if we do the right thing...and make the correct major decisions...things will probably continue to be difficult for most of humanity.

[TheObserver]

Anyone remember the film and subsequent tv series (one season only) Starman?
Jeff Bridges in the move/Robert Hays on the series is an ET inspired by the Voyager gold disk to visit earth
and in a low key way helps various people along his path.

[recallone]

orthodoxy, some very good points. Indeed. I've returned to Avalon tonight for this very topic and I've been doing a LOT of reading here and in the "Something brewing" thread. Nice link, btw above (In Praise of Lucifer).

I watched the last episode tonight and I also saw tone's numbers concerning the ships and the breakdown, etc in the other thread on the heels of all those ships being shown (last episode, for those of you who haven't seen it yet - sorry U.K.) I would like to ask tone (if you're watching this thread) how he arrived at those numbers. And YES, I think there is definitely something worth looking at in the whole vaccination relationship (between the show and reality). Anna's monologue arched an eyebrow, too. Not because it was suspicious, but that it rang true in the be-here-now-ness quality of it and being whole, NOW. Which makes it suspicious because it's being used on a television show that reaches millions. Was that written in to the script from the lips of the villain to demonize (in popular opinion) the truth and power of that guidance? I don't have any conclusions about it either way, but it certainly is interesting to look at.

Jacqui, love your mind. One of the videos on another post came to mind immediately upon reading your words about dimensions earlier in this thread (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=188552&postcount=94). This one. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_09BOoVOBOA&feature=player_embedded#) The people commenting on it were speaking in Spanish, so I don't know what they had to say about it - but for me - I couldn't help thinking it was (for lack of a better definition) a dimensional rift, or hole. Intuitively, I felt it was more likely a dimensional phenomenon than a UFO. What do you think about that idea?

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you TheObserver and recallone. Here is a link to a very cool episode of Stargate SG1. http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-SG-1/91998/1063988439/The-Torment-of-Tantalus/videos I'm watching all of the Stargate SG1 episodes (usually 2 or 3 each day).

Tone3 dowses, I believe...but I'm not sure I believe.

[Lorien]

So far I am very impressed with the similarities in the new V series and what many of us know to be true, especially concerning current events. Most intriguing were the flu vaccines being tampered with and of course Anna's monologue to her people.

With her speech, I feel it reflects how many spiritual leaders use promise of bliss and freedom to get their people to do evil deeds. I will be very interested to see how it is used to convince her people to slaughter us and use us for food.

It's a shame though that I have to wait till next year to find out. :(

[orthodoxymoron]

Has anyone considered the possibility that Anna is completely human (extraterrestrial human)? Could the reptilians be slaves or mercenaries for the elite extraterrestrial humans? What if Chad and Anna get married? Why didn't the series just keep going...right through the winter? What are the ratings? How has 'V' been received so far?

I'm thinking that control and allegiance are what the 'V's are really after. Extermination could be done directly...without all of the fanfare, false overtures, and deception.

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm going to rewatch 'V' 2009 this weekend. Any more thoughts about the series? I noticed that Sherri Shriner of watcherfiles.com said that 'V' reflected a lot of what she has been saying for years.

There is something I like about Anna and her daughter. I also like the technology. How would an ideal and benevolent extraterrestrial race look and act?

:original:Namaste:original:

[orthodoxymoron]

Does Amen Ra = God the Founder = Intelligent Designer? Did Amen Ra create Reptilians as a slave race? ("Let us make man in our image"). Was Amen Ra destroyed by the Reptilians...or by Lucifer during the War in Heaven? Could Amen Ra exist on another dimension? Is Amen Ra present only in the Divinity Within Humanity?

Does Lucifer = Eve/Hathor/Isis/Mary (brought us to Earth from the Pleiades/Aldebaran/Sirius IN the Moon aka Battlestar Galactica aka Ark of the Covenant)? Did Lucifer create the major religions...including being the major author of the Bible? Is Lucifer the Human Goddess of This World? Is Lucifer alive presently...perfectly possessed...and posting on the internet? Was Lucifer/Eve deceived by the Reptilians who offered technology, protection, and a new Earth (the Promised Land)...which was the equivalent of Eating the Apple? Is Lucifer in charge of the Deep Underground Military Bases / Stargate Temples / Secret Space Program? Or...are the Reptilians in charge?

Does the War/Expulsion in Heaven (Lyra or the Pleiades?) have Garden of Eden (Pleiades?) and Exodus (Hyksosdus?) parallels?

Are the major factions in the Solar System associated with 1. Amen Ra? 2. Hathor? 3. Horus? 4. Serpent?

Does Adam = Earth Humanity?

Does Winged Serpent = Reptilians / UFO's (Conspired with Lucifer against Amen Ra?). Does the Winged Serpent represent Nibiru and/or the Reptilian God of This World? Do the Reptilians provide technology, protection, and 'Tenant in Possession Status on Earth' for humanity...in exchange for work, worship, and ? Could this be the Covenant? Did Horus/Jesus obtain a New Covenant?

This is a very tangled hypothetical web which might be pure unmitigated poppycock...or which might be the biggest part of disclosure.

I have a feeling that we will be meeting Lucifer/Eve/Hathor/Isis/Mary in the near future...and that she might be a lot like Anna in "V"...except with darker skin and an English accent...with exquisite musical abilities...and an astronomical IQ. Just a feeling...mind you.

Now I need to take my medicine...before I go to my psychiatrist and exorcist appointments. Too hip. Gotta go.

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsPMtPTSF3s&feature=related
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nieF177sbks&feature=related
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWkdV0VBMTw&feature=related
4. http://www.hulu.com/watch/62967/stargate-sg-1-hathor
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahjPQjQGdbU
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU
7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcL---4xQYA

:original:Namaste:original:

[kriya]

I have a feeling that we will be meeting Hathor in the near future...and that she might be a lot like Anna in "V"...except with darker skin and an English accent...with exquisite musical abilities...and an astronomical IQ. Just a feeling...mind you. Now I need to take my medicine...before I go to my psychiatrist and exorcist appointments. Too hip. Gotta go.

:

Why is it in the US all the bad guys have an English accent. Take flashforward, for instance the good guys are acting as Americans and the bad guys are acting as English but they are all in fact English.....if you understand what I'm saying. Americans love a good English baddy!! Good show by the way, have yoy seen it?

Love,

Kriya

[orthodoxymoron]

The accent was probably the least significant speculation...which I probably made because of Hollywood. What about the rest of the post? What are the strengths and weaknesses? BTW...I'm not saying that the hypothetical Lucifer/Eve/Hathor/Isis/Mary is evil. I'm suspecting a mixture of good and evil...which probably goes with the territory of being a God or Goddess of any world...not just this one. Once again...I don't think there should be any Gods or Goddesses...regardless of whether they are good or evil. It's the principle of the thing. The first and last commandment should be 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'.

We might be very, very surprised at what is within the Earth and Moon. Guess we'll just have to wait and see...or not see.

:original:Namaste:original:

[kriya]

A thousand apologies to you orthodoxymoron. I was just making an observation about accents without giving due thought to your post. I enjoyed V very much.

The only thing I can comment on is the issue of Lucifer. Having not read this entire thread I apologise if this has been mentioned already. But from what I have read, Lucifer was God's most loved Angel (and By that I mean the one closest to God). Lucifer was in charge of creation, creating in God's name so to speak. However, creation wasn't meant to last forever, and was eventually meant to dissolve back into God. Lucifer was charged with this task and refused to obey as he had become very fond of creation and his own power. This is why temptation plays such a major role in keeping us imprisioned here.

Hope that helps.

Love,

Kriya



The accent was probably the least significant speculation...which I probably made because of Hollywood. What about the rest of the post? What are the strengths and weaknesses? BTW...I'm not saying that the hypothetical Lucifer/Eve/Hathor/Isis/Mary is evil. I'm suspecting a mixture of good and evil...which probably goes with the territory of being a God or Goddess of any world...not just this one. Once again...I don't think there should be any Gods or Goddesses...regardless of whether they are good or evil. It's the principle of the thing. The first and last commandment should be 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'.

We might be very, very surprised at what is within the Earth and Moon. Guess we'll just have to wait and see...or not see.

:original:Namaste:original:

[orthodoxymoron]

A thousand apologies to you orthodoxymoron. I was just making an observation about accents without giving due thought to your post. I enjoyed V very much.

The only thing I can comment on is the issue of Lucifer. Having not read this entire thread I apologise if this has been mentioned already. But from what I have read, Lucifer was God's most loved Angel (and By that I mean the one closest to God). Lucifer was in charge of creation, creating in God's name so to speak. However, creation wasn't meant to last forever, and was eventually meant to dissolve back into God. Lucifer was charged with this task and refused to obey as he had become very fond of creation and his own power. This is why temptation plays such a major role in keeping us imprisioned here.

Hope that helps.

Love,

Kriya

No apology necessary. I was not aware that Lucifer was in charge of creation. What is the source of this information? I have recently speculated on this. This is fascinating. Could the Reptilians and Greys have been created by someone other than the Founders...such as Lucifer? Could this be continuing in the Deep Underground Military Bases? I really don't think that the visible governments and militaries of the world are in control of these very secret facilities. No inside info...just my speculation...as usual.

Regarding the accent...in the 1983 version of 'V' the female commander over John and Diana...has an English accent. I love a French accent...but in the context of Masters of the Universe...it doesn't really work! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8e6KfXMF2E&feature=related English accents are probably the most refined and dignified sounding accents on the planet...so it was really a compliment. I guess I think in terms of Kings and Queens, Gods and Goddesses...as being closely related. This is a 'Royal Model' of authority. There is something good about this...but the corruptibility factor should make this model obsolete. I also think about British explorers and archeologists in Egypt...and the 'British Museum' in Cairo.

I don't wish to make light of this whole subject. I think this could be very serious business...and a mixture of good and evil, triumph and tragedy. I hope to meet the people behind the curtain someday (probably not in this life). I won't worship them...but I won't berate them either! We're all in this mess together...in sickness and in health...for better or for worse...and death doth not seem to do us part! We can check out...but we can never leave! Welcome to the Hotel Solar System! It's a lovely place! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYwbn5J10aY Notice Isis (unveiled!) and Horus.

:original:Namaste:original:

[orthodoxymoron]

The last scene in the fourth episode of 'V' shows a huge number of motherships...after Anna says 'it's only the beginning'. http://abc.go.com/watch/v/240273/242...-the-beginning I feel as though I have met at least three or four people who have been instructed by a real life 'Anna'. It's just a feeling...mind you. As usual...I don't know. I sure wish I knew what was really going on in this Solar System. I don't have a problem with physical, mental, spiritual, ethical, and technological development...but I keep getting a sick and sinking feeling that what we may be facing is sugar-coated poison...which externally is love and light...but internally is extermination and enslavement. Sort of like "'come into my web'...the spider said to the fly." I don't want to be paranoid. I just want everything to work out well for everyone...everywhere and everywhen. But judging from history...this ain't gonna happen.

I have no doubt that something is brewing...and that Earth is the Theater of the Universe...but I question the level of terrestrial and extraterrestrial responsibility. How do both relate to this thread regarding Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom and the Governance of This Solar System? The responses (and lack thereof) make me very apprehensive. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...ymoron+threads To Be Free...Or Not to Be Free? That is the Question.

"Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

The Andromedan Perspective Regarding the Future of Humanity is "Responsible Freedom of Self Determination...Becoming Truly Self Confident and Free...to Unconditionally be Responsible for Oneself...Without Being Coerced to Accept Some Higher Authority." -- related by Alex Collier

"We the People of Earth have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves, and for future generations...a True World Order. A world where Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...not the Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy...governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful...and we will be...we have a real chance at this True World Order...an order in which a credible United Nations can use Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to fulfill the promise and vision of All Races." -- my rewrite of part of a New World Order speech by George H. W. Bush

"Like it or not, eveything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man...or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active, or abdicate...the future is in your hands." -- William Cooper

For the record...in "V" 2009...I like Anna and her daughter (so far anyway)...but I don't like the guy who is looking over her shoulder and questioning her all the time. Are these characters representative of the major players in this Solar System? Have they been here for thousands of years? Have we all been here for thousands of years? I'm beginning to think so.

:original:Namaste:original:

[orthodoxymoron]

Here is another link which you might find interesting (John Rhodes): http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles38.htm

Here's yet another speculative intellectual ejaculation resulting from the masturbation of the mind:

What if Reptilians evolved...but not Humans? What if the entire universe was Reptilian? What if there were no Humans anywhere? What if the entire universe was a Reptilian Universal Church Theocracy? What if Humans were created as a slave race? ('Let us make man in our image') What if Lucifer (Ptah?) was the Reptilian in charge of the genetic engineering project which resulted in the creation of Human Beings? What if Humans were mistreated as slaves? What if a group of Reptilians, led by Lucifer, conspired with Humans, to kill God the Father (Ra?)...and take over 'Heaven'? What if this was the Luciferian Rebellion which led to War in Heaven...and the death of God the Father (Ra?)? What if the Reptilians loyal to God (Ra?) fought against the Luciferian Reptilians and Human Beings...driving them out of the Garden of Eden (Heaven?) What if Battlestar Moon was used to transport the Luciferian Reptilians and Humans to Aldebaran, Sirius, and Earth...while being violently pursued by Nibiru? What if Interdimensional Reptilians aka The Spirit of God aka Amen battle with Luciferian Interdimensional Reptilians and the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Holy Spirit...to regain control of the Renegade Human Race? What if the New World Order is the Kingdom of Ra? What if the Luciferian Reptilians and a select group of Humans run Earth from underground bases on Earth and the Moon? Could this be Gizeh Intelligence? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Ra be Zionists? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Lucifer be Teutonic Zionists? Could a pacifist union of both factions be Followers of Jesus? Could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be the solution to this ancient mess?

How much trouble am I in now? Probably quite a bit. But once again...this is just speculation...with no inside information whatsoever.

:original:Namaste:original:

[orthodoxymoron]

I don't think that I have seen Lucifer...but one never knows! This hypothetical being could walk down a crowded city street...and no one would notice anything out of the ordinary. This would be a 3D dudess with lots of 4D, 5D, 6D, 7D connections...I think. Think Anna in 'V'. There may be remarkable similarities. Who knows?!

I found the following in chapter 19 of the 'Dulce Book' http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce_book.htm on the watcherfiles.com website. I don't know if this is credible...but it really made me think. If the U.S. Constitution was the central authority of the Solar System...instead of any deity or demon...no one would be worshipped, humiliated, exalted, enslaved, etc. If Lucifer is the Godess of This World (and Solar System?)...and will not relinquish power to anyone else ('if I can't have them...nobody can!')...might a constitutional ultimate authority allow this being to retire with grace? I'd really rather skip the Battle of Armageddon. Does the following description refer to Lucifer...or to Satan? I'm leaning toward Satan aka God Amen...but there might be some similarities with Lucifer...who would have to have some communication with Satan...on an ongoing basis. Could the following experience describe the being who Lucifer rebelled against?

Does Revelation 12 describe Lucifer or Satan? The ultimate leader of the serpent race's collective or 'hive mind' is the "great red dragon", the "old serpent", "the Devil" or "Satan". Lucifer was one of the three original archangels (along with Michael and Gabriel) who each had charge over one-third of the 'angels'. Mind you...I'm hypothesizing a very dark universe...where this crazy world is as good as it gets. This is a terrifying thought to me...but what if this is reality? The horror!

"One of the 'targets' to which Mr. Brown's military RV trainer sent him was the Grey aliens' collective mind, and more specifically he was instructed to search out the ultimate command or control center of the collective.

Shortly after this particular experiment began [one of many], Brown found himself in an area where several Greys were working, although he did not know exactly where this was. He 'followed' the collective mind or thought-flow and found it to be absolutely massive, giving him the feeling of something unbounded, and almost universal in nature. However, he did detect a center, a definite 'heartbeat' of this massive collective matrix, into which and out from which a steady stream of information was flowing.

He noticed, at one point, an unusual 'subspace' being that seemed to be directing the activities of the Greys he was observing, and discovered that the bodies of the Greys themselves were incarnated by such 'subspace' beings which apparently entered the Greys' embryonic bodies and used them as vessels to manipulate physical reality.

Brown was then instructed to locate other of these beings who apparently controlled the Grey collective from a subspace or astral level, and found himself in an area where several of these subspace or paraphysical entities were located. As he continued towards this 'center' the number of subspace or non-corporeal beings increased until he came to a place of much activity, something like a grand central station type of area, where these beings were very active in various pursuits. He did not know exactly where this was, but noticed that the closer he came to the control 'center' the more he sensed an increasing rigid atmosphere of absolute military-like control. He came to what he sensed was the central governing center of the subspace beings' activity, and in the center of this there was another area where a "council of 10" very high-level subspace or paraphysical entities congregated. These were apparently the governing principalities who were engaged in running the whole operation. The security here was absolutely incredible.

Then he perceived the SUPREME LEADER of this council of 10 paraphysical entities... and at about this point Courtney Brown was jerked back into his body, so to speak. He sensed that this leader had detected the presence of his own subspace, astral or magnetic body which he had projected, and had followed this RV 'intruder' back to his physical source. Brown and his trainer felt an oppressive, dark 'cloud' enter the room and it stayed there for about half a minute scrutinizing the scene. It left, apparently seeing the two RV'ers as "small frys" who were not worth wasting its time on.

Before Brown's expulsion from the command center however, he was able to perceive for a brief moment what this being was really like. He or it was an extremely powerful being, but one with a twisted personality that was full of darkness. Apparently this being had come into conflict with another Force which it saw as its enemy. Brown sensed within this being a severe self-esteem problem, in spite of its incredible power, and because of this it had a consuming desire to be worshipped by others. Brown was confused when he sensed that these subspace beings, and in turn the Reptilians/Greys, were actually COMMANDED by this leader to engage in self-indulgent and destructive activities. This being apparently wanted his servants to use self-indulgent rewards or fear of punishment to maintain the absolute hierarchical command structure within its empire -- as well as through the rest of the subspace hierarchy, and in turn throughout the Reptilian Grey's collective 'hive' society that they completely infested.

Brown also got the impression that it was FEAR and PRIDE -- its perceived NEED to be worshipped -- that kept this being from negotiating with its ancient enemy, and that this being was utterly desperate to maintain its very survival or existence [strange for a seemingly immortal subspace being] and chose to resort to rebellion and terrorism in a desperate attempt to take control of the situation. Brown recieved a strong impression that this being was the ultimate universal terrorist!!! Apparently because of its all-consuming ego this being would NEVER humble itself before its 'enemy', and the same might be said for most of the upper echelon of the hierarchy who depended on the praise of their fellow collaborators to maintain their illusion of self-importance.

These beings, one might say, had long ago and of their own free-agency 'imploded' in upon themselves -- becoming 'spiritual black holes' with all-consuming appetites, absolute astral vampirial-like parasites, having extinguished all 'light' within themselves and therefore being unable to be brought back "into the light". Incapable of giving out 'light', they have become totally reprobate, devouring any and all life and innocence around them that they can possibly consume. The leader of this subspace 'collective' had long ago drawn these other dark beings into itself, like a large black star devouring other smaller ones around it. This irreversible state MIGHT not apply entirely to ALL of these "subspace" beings, as we will see later on."

:original:Namaste:original:

[JudgeMental]

Namaste. Those into the V thing and who are familiar with the symbol they use might be interested in google earth co-ordinates...

Lat 17°59'44.46"S
Long 70°15'39.50"W

Some other interesting symbols as well.

[orthodoxymoron]

Namaste. Those into the V thing and who are familiar with the symbol they use might be interested in google earth co-ordinates...

Lat 17°59'44.46"S
Long 70°15'39.50"W

Some other interesting symbols as well.

Thank-you JudgeMental. I'm checking out the coordinates...and I'm rewatching "V" (2009) on abc.com. Why can't we have the good parts of "V" without the bad parts. Could Humanity interact with Reptilians...without either race dominating, enslaving, exterminating...or otherwise misusing and abusing the other? Isn't this Universe big enough for both of us? Hmmmmmm.

Just when you thought it was safe to come back out of your homes...it all starts again on March 30!! The Horror!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcqxKOFCXfk
For the latest breaking news about the Visitors...check out http://www.visitorsite.net/ They are of peace...or so they say.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[orthodoxymoron]

abraxasinas and the Thuban material http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&highlight=Thuban should probably be neither accepted or rejected...but simply evaluated in an open yet critical manner. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20386 The 'real' abraxasinas may be more subtle and obscure than one might imagine. If one had complete reincarnational recall...or moved from young adult body to young adult body via fully conscious soul-transference...century after century...and was able to utilize 100% of human brain capacity...and was perfectly possessed by a Draconian Reptilian Being...and had complete access to the Vatican Library and the Thuban Database (or equivalent)...what might one be like? They would be quite different...wouldn't they? I'm not saying that this describes abraxasinas...but it could. If it doesn't...I think there is a very strong possibility that such an individual exists...historically and presently. My current thinking is that this individual is an Anna-like (in "V") Human/Reptilian hybrid. I could be very wrong...but I think on one occasion...I may have seen this being. I don't wish to be more specific...and there is probably a 1% chance that the person I saw was really the one who I think they might have been. Still...I think that such an individual has existed throughout Human History...and has been the Best Friend and Worst Enemy of the Human Race...a being in conflict with itself. Think of the possibility of Earth Humanity as Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Human/Reptilian Warden answering to a Draconian Reptilian 'God'. The horror.

But what the hell do I know? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b365_qJEpDg Rewatch "V" (2009) with all of the above in mind. http://abc.go.com/watch/v/240273 Don't take anything I say too seriously. I really don't know. I just speculate...and ask a lot of questions. I speculate...therefore I am.

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[enemyofNWO]

Thank-you JudgeMental. I'm checking out the coordinates...and I'm rewatching "V" (2009) on abc.com. Why can't we have the good parts of "V" without the bad parts. Could Humanity interact with Reptilians...without either race dominating, enslaving, exterminating...or otherwise misusing and abusing the other? Isn't this Universe big enough for both of us? Hmmmmmm.

Just when you thought it was safe to come back out of your homes...it all starts again on March 30!! The Horror!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcqxKOFCXfk
For the latest breaking news about the Visitors...check out http://www.visitorsite.net/ They are of peace...or so they say.

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Thanks Orthy for your thoughts about V . I have been following this thread for a while but some of the links provided do no work for computers outside the US . V did not come here to Italy yet . But it is coming on the Murduch network . However I downloaded the program "Vuze " . It is free . On the left corner of it there is window with the magnifying glass . I typed one of the titles of a V episode such " V a bright new day " and a number of different files came up , I chose one that I thought was suitable (AVI file ) and it downloaded .
Are there any other titles ? I am downloading now " V there is no normal anymore " . There is also " V the pilot " . Is that all ? Or there are other episodes for the 2009 season ? . Thanks again and keep the good work .

[orthodoxymoron]

Thanks Orthy for your thoughts about V . I have been following this thread for a while but some of the links provided do no work for computers outside the US . V did not come here to Italy yet . But it is coming on the Murduch network . However I downloaded the program "Vuze " . It is free . On the left corner of it there is window with the magnifying glass . I typed one of the titles of a V episode such " V a bright new day " and a number of different files came up , I chose one that I thought was suitable (AVI file ) and it downloaded .
Are there any other titles ? I am downloading now " V there is no normal anymore " . There is also " V the pilot " . Is that all ? Or there are other episodes for the 2009 season ? . Thanks again and keep the good work .

Thank-you. These are the first four episodes. The next one will air on March 30.

1. Pilot
2. There Is No Normal Anymore
3. A Bright New Day
4. It's Only the Beginning

I sometimes wish I were in Europe...because of the art, music, history, and cars...to name a few reasons. I'd love to know what they really think about "V" in the Vatican!! Sometimes I think that even the Vatican is kept in the dark by those who really run the show here on Earth.

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[enemyofNWO]

[QUOTE=orthodoxymoron;245674]Thank-you. These are the first four episodes. The next one will air on March 30.

1. Pilot
2. There Is No Normal Anymore
3. A Bright New Day
4. It's Only the Beginning

I sometimes wish I were in Europe...because of the art, music, history, and cars...to name a few reasons. I'd love to know what they really think about "V" in the Vatican!! Sometimes I think that even the Vatican is kept in the dark by those who really run the show here on Earth.

Thank Orthy ,

Yes we are in Italy , but regarding going to Museums , we do not do it too often . We are still monitored by the spooks as documented in my book .
We can only make short trips for the time being .
About the Vatican . Judging by what Leo Zagami revealed in his interview before being got at .... the Vatican is in the midst of things ...

Cheers

[orthodoxymoron]

I just feel as though the Vatican, the City of London, and Washington D.C. are told what to do...and that the higher one goes...the more orders one takes...and that you basically end up selling your soul to the Devil (or equivalent). When you get to the top...you might not like the view.

If spooks reasoned with 'problem people'...I wouldn't have a problem with them. But when they are downright dirty, nasty, and violent...I have a huge problem with them. The sneaking around...and ruining people's lives is insanely reprehensible. Arguing with someone online or at a public meeting is fair game...even if the spooks have an unfair advantage. The spooks should engage in Constructive Competition with problem people...rather than making the Mafia look good...and engaging in Destructive Competition. Monitoring people is probably OK (within reason)...but f#$%^& with them is not OK.

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[orthodoxymoron]

Here is an interesting take on 'V' from abraxasinas's website: http://www.tonyb.freeyellow.com/id176.html At this point...I don't know what to really think about abraxasinas and the Thuban material. It's quite bizzare...really. Be careful with this stuff. Some people have seemingly been sucked into something they weren't prepared to deal with. Remember...'V' continues on March 30. They are of peace...or so they say. But who are 'they'...really?

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[orthodoxymoron]

Just a reminder. 'V' continues March 30 on ABC TV. Watch previous episodes on abc.com. They don't pay me to do this. I'm good for nothing. I mean no harm. I am of peace. The bliss.

[orthodoxymoron]

Just another reminder. 'V' continues March 30 on ABC TV. Watch previous episodes on abc.com. They don't pay me to do this. I'm good for nothing. I mean no harm. I am of peace. The bliss.

Try thinking of Anna as being Lucifer/Hathor. I don't know if the shoe fits...but this might make watching the show a bit more interesting. Do you think 'V' is a part of disclosure? Or is it just another sci-fi series? What do you think is going to happen? Will Anna turn out to be good...evil...or both good and evil? What do you think about the Reptilian Phenomenon? Are aliens really demons? What is a demon? Are we all aliens? Are we all Reptilians? Are Reptilians really a Human Generated Phenomenon? I'm suspecting a lot of deception in this whole area. Use extreme discernment. Question everything. Don't get on a UFO. Support a Solar System Exorcism.

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[orthodoxymoron]

I just finished watching the fifth episode of 'V'...and it was quite good...but I was disappointed with Anna...especially at the end. 'Anna! What big teeth you have!' Is Anna symbolic of a modern-day Hathor? 'V' is not what I keep thinking the reality of our predicament really is...but it contains some aspects of my conjecturing. Why can't there be the good side of the V's...without the bad side?

Is there really an Anna-like Human/Reptilian Hybrid who mediates between the Reptilian and Human races? If so...does this hybrid preside over most, if not all, of the Deep Underground Military Bases...and the Secret Space Program? Has this entity or presence been ruling Earth for thousands or millions of years? Would this hybrid, in essence, be Eve/Lucifer/Hathor/Mary et al? Please don't get upset with me. I'm not claiming to have the truth...or to have inside information. I'm just wondering as I wander...in a really passive manner...with no hidden agendas. However...with everything that I've been exposed to on the internet...and in my imagination...I'm beginning to feel like an insider...even though I'm not. It's a very strange delusion!

Could the whole Reptilian and Grey phenomenon really be a Human creation? Could our predicament really be a Human vs Human civil war...spanning millions of years? Were the Reptilians and Greys created to be super soldiers to be used in this Human vs Human civil war? Was this the Original Sin? Did they get out of control...and begin to take over? Have they taken over? I know that the demonic realm exists...but what is the true nature of this spirit world? If deception is the coin of the realm...will we ever really know the truth? Please seriously consider all of the questions and speculations which I have made on this, and other, threads here in Avalon. Some of them might be helpful...and actually contain some truth. With the closure of this forum...I will cease to post on any forum...for an extended period of time.

I would love to see a Solar System filled with Advanced Spacecraft and Deep Underground Bases and Cities. Perhaps it already is. I would love to see a peaceful and constructive interaction with benevolent alien races (if they really exist). Perhaps this is already occurring. I would love to see the United States of the Solar System become a reality. Perhaps it will. But I keep getting a sick feeling that we are in so much trouble...that a truly positive and lasting solution may not exist. I'm not trusting in God...or anyone else...at this point...to work things out, or to save us.

When I look at artist's conceptions of Hathor...I see a good side to this sort of an arrangement. But I suspect a very dark center of power on Earth...going back thousands or even millions of years. Power corrupts. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. Why does everything have to have a dark and evil side? I am very disillusioned...very paranoid...and very afraid. :sneaky2::shocked:

[Peace of mind]

What I got out of this episode was that the flu shot was going to be used to track people by altering their DNA.

Why can’t there be any good V’s instead of the bad ones?
Well, I guess aliens want to use us because we’re so gullible. We hardly ever stick together, and we are easy to confuse. The race will fall because too many are too scared to stand up. I guess the ones who thought they were brave all this time by standing behind the policeman with their chest poked out will be the first to scatter. There aren’t enough brave souls to save the race. Your action heroes with the well choreographed fight scenes will not be able to duplicate their fantastic feats in real life….not without courage. No FEAR.

Peace

[orthodoxymoron]

Peace of mind...I agree with a lot of what you said. Some say that vaccines will contain chips...to track and control us. Who knows? The Human Race is in big trouble...with or without aliens. I'm thinking that all possible scenarios would be highly problematic. We can't seem to agree on much of anything...and we remain quite violent. I feel that placing the burdens of Solar System Governance on the Average Joe would force us to become more responsible. Rounding most of us up...or killing off most of us...are not solutions at all. I like my pet United States of the Solar System...but what would it take to get all of the nations and factions to agree to something like this? Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom cannot be forced upon people...or can it? If a non-corrupt political/religious system were imposed upon the world...that would constitute corruption...wouldn't it? I don't know what to think or do anymore. I'm just sort of shutting down and withdrawing. The next step will be to construct a Shallow Underground Civilian Base...load it up with beans and dirty magazines...and go underground! The decadent horror!

[Peace of mind]

Just take it day by day and keep your ears and eyes open. You're only expected to do what you can, nothing more. Besides, this reality is only temporary, so in that reguards...enjoy life and do the best you can...no one/thing will hold that against you.

Peace

[orthodoxymoron]

I just want to express appreciation to all beings...human and non-human...who have tried to help the human race...and do the right thing...throughout history. If my Eve/Lucifer/Hathor/Mary/Anna et al theories are even remotely correct...I don't know whether this being or person is good or evil. I'm suspecting both. There is an aspect of this Hathorian figure that I am strangely attracted to. And there is an aspect which terrifies me...and which I feel hostility towards. I don't know what to think...at this point. You would be amazed at what I see on the movie screen of my imagination. I couldn't possibly put it into words. I don't recommend spending a lot of time on this stuff. It's an emotional and spiritual black hole. On the other hand...is there something beneficial about contemplating a very, very bright and powerful female...ruling Earth from an inner Earth stargate temple...for thousands or millions of years...with full access to the Vatican Library (ancient human wisdom and technology?)...and with control of most Deep Underground Military Bases and Secret Space Programs? I still keep thinking that Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer...and the War in Heaven...are key to understanding how much trouble we may be in.

Once again...I like the good aspects of Anna and the V's...but I despise the worst aspects. Imagine someone who looks like Anna...with a 500 IQ...full reincarnational memory...photographic memory...the equivalent of 100 PhD's...a brilliant organist and musician...complete access to all ancient archives of wisdom and technology, etc, etc. Could this being have created the Reptilians and Greys in genetics laboratories? Does the Well of Souls contain only one basic type of soul? Are we all interdimensionals...really? I keep suspecting that full disclosure will drive most of us crazy. A lot of the secrecy probably is due to corruption and evil...but some of it is probably due to a reasonable determination regarding the adverse reaction of the general public. When Henry Kissinger was learning about all of this...he worked day and night...and would talk to no one...not even his wife. This led to their divorce. I think full disclosure needs to occur...but it may produce a real mess. I don't think there is any easy way out of this...and that's without knowing inside information. Things might be a lot worse than even I can imagine.

I just have to keep thinking about a Perfected Human Race (without eugenics or coercion) living in a Perfected Solar System. Perhaps if we all think about this...with a Solar System View...rather than a World View...we will eventually achieve this goal. Inch by inch...anything's a cinch. That sounds kinda sexy...doesn't it? :naughty:

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[trainedobserver]

I've come to think that the whole Grey, Reptilian, etc. business is going to turn out to be as bogus as Orthon from Venus and so forth.

[orthodoxymoron]

I've come to think that the whole Grey, Reptilian, etc. business is going to turn out to be as bogus as Orthon from Venus and so forth.

At this point...I think that it's an actual phenomenon...but that 95% of the explanations and versions of this phenomenon are bogus bs. I have encountered actual supernatural events which indicated an invisible, yet intelligent, presence...able to exert significant physical force...on numerous occasions. I also recently had my first UFO sighting. Human Beings have souls. Perhaps these souls are stranger than we think...or can think. Perhaps varieties or perversions of these souls are responsible for most of the psychic, alien, ufo, etc phenomenon. Perhaps Reps and Greys were created in Human owned and operated genetics laboratories. Perhaps UFO's are constructed by Humans with Ancient Human Technology. Think Demonic Human Souls inhabiting Laboratory Produced Rep and Grey Super Soldiers. Think Human vs Human Civil War...going back millions of years. I think that this whole thing is very dark, sad, violent, ancient, deceptive, etc, etc. I really don't think that disclosure is going to make us happy...or be the answer. We'll just have a lot more cr@p to deal with. But we really do need to get to the bottom of this...and take out the trash...so we can move on.

[orthodoxymoron]

Just a reminder to watch 'V' tonight.

[orthodoxymoron]

I wasn't going to comment anymore...and I really don't want to comment anymore. I'm going to give it a rest. However...last night's episode of 'V' really made me think about something which could be very important. Anna stated that love was a human weakness. The V's are relatively emotionless...and very efficient. Guess who wins in a conflict of the ages? I have proposed Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. I believe that this combines the best of both approaches. One should be responsible in a relatively cold and calculating manner. This should be much more objective than subjective. I believe that focusing on responsibility makes everything else fall into place in an appropriate manner. Focusing on most other things creates an imbalance. Focusing on even a good thing can create an imbalance. Focusing on responsibility creates no imbalance whatsoever.

A Anna/Hathor like leader does have some admirable qualities...but the resulting cruelty and corruption outweigh any good which accompanies this leadership model. I really don't know the details regarding reptilians, greys, slave-races, et al...but consider the following:

What if an Anna/Hathor figure created males, reptilians, and greys as slave races? What if Adam was created from Eve/Hathor/Lucifer's DNA? 'Let us make MAN in our image.'

Please think through a Lucifer/Eve/Hathor/Mary/Anna model of power in this Solar System...going back thousands or even millions of years. I believe in an ultimate Creator God of the Universe...but I don't think this is who we have been dealing with in this Solar System. Something else has been going on. Some of it may have been good and well intentioned...but a lot of it seems to be evil and irresponsible. I'm sure I couldn't have done any better. I would have probably done a lot worse. Perhaps all of us would have done a lot worse. I don't know what the Solar System PTB have really had to deal with.

I simply think that we should consider a better manner to manage the insanity which we find ourselves in the middle of. Please consider my United States of the Solar System thread. This may not be the answer...but please think this thread through in excruciating detail. I'm too close to it. I'm too burned out. And frankly...I'm too unbalanced, disruptive, lazy, and stupid. Really.

This really and truly is my last post. Good night. God bless you. And God bless the United States of the Solar System. I leave you all with the following...which I can't confirm as being accurate...but which seems to support the cross-pollination theory. They are all one?

NIBIRUAN / SUMERIAN GODS = HINDU GODS = GREEK GODS AND SOME VATICAN, BUDDHIST, JEWISH AND SOUTH AMERICAN GODS AS WELL !!!

SEKHMET = DURGA = ARTEMIS = MUT = ATHENA = WHITE JAGUAR LADY = WHITE BUFFALO CALF WOMAN = VAISHNO DEVI

ALCYONE = SATYANARAYANA = APOLLO = PTAH = VISHNU = RAMA
AMUN RA = KRISHNA

ANAT = ERESHKIGAL = KALI = BLACK MADONNA = BLACK TARA

ASTARTE = PARVATI = WHITE TARA = MADONNA = SHEKINAH = UMA = NAMMA
MAIA = SATI = DAKSHAYANI = DAMKINA = GODDESS OF THE MOUNTAINS

ENKI = SHIVA= HOLY SPIRIT = ZEUS = CHAKRASAMVARA = AVALOKITESHWARA = CHENREZIG = LUCIFER = EA = ADONAI = HADAD = BA'AL = RUDRA = KAAL BHAIRAVA

AN = ANU = PARA BRAHMA = YAHVEH = ALLAH

THE GREAT RA = AMEN RA = PRAKASH BRAHMA = HIGHER ASPECT OF YAHVEH = FATHER OF THE GODS

ANSAR = ABZU = ABBA = APSU = KASHYAPA = ADITYA = SURYA = SUN GOD = SHAMASH = DUAS PITA = SATYAVAT MANU = SWAYAMBHU = VYWAMUS
DHARMA DEV = YAMA

INDRA = PAN = VAJRAPANI

GAIA = ADITI = BHU = BHOOMI DEVI = KOUMUDHI = KAMADHENU = NINHURSAG = KI = URAS = EARTH GODDESS

ENLIL = GARBHODAKASAYANI = JEHOVAH

NINLIL = LAKSHMI = GODDESS OF GRAIN

MOON GOD = CHANDRA DEV = NANNA

INANNA = LILITH = SELENE = MOHINI

DUMUZI = ADAMU = ADAM = DAMU

EVE = KHEBA = NINTI

NERGAL = NARAKASURA

TIAMAT = TARAKA

TYPHON = PULOMAN

THOTH = GANESHA = HERMES

MARDUK = MURUGAN = KARTHIKEYA = NIMROD = MARS

HORUS = OSIRIUS = SANAT KUMARA = EROS = DIONYSUS = ANCIENT OF DAYS = TAMMUZ = MIN = KAMDEV = PRADYUMNA

ISIS = MARY = MARIAMMA = KOUMARI = VENUS = APHRODITE = ISHTAR = SEMIRAMIS = HATHOR = MAYAVATI = KANYAKUMARI = TRIPURA SUNDARI = RATI = 16 YEAR OLD GODDESS

JESUS = SANANDA KUMARA

MARY MAGDALENE = LADY NADA

HADES = SHANI = SATAN = WRATHFUL TIBETAN DEITY

7 ARCHANGELS = 7 SAPTARISHIS = COUNCIL OF SEVEN

ATLAS = HIMAVAN = DAKSHA = EL

PLEIONE = MENAKA

APEP = KALASURA

7 PLAIEDES' SISTERS = 7 KRITTIKAS = 7 SAPTA MATRIKAS

PARASURAM = GILGAMESH; NOAH = VIVASVAT MANU; NOAH'S ARC = MALAYAN HILLS.

WILD COW GODDESS = NINSUN = NININSINA = RENUKA

HUMBABA = TRISHANKU = KALMASHAPADA

SARASWATI = SESHAT

HERACLES = HERCULES = ARJUNA

ENOCH = METATRON

HERA = INDRANI

AURORA = USHA

EOS = SAVITA

VARUNA = POSEIDON

MITHRA = ZOROASTRA

TVASTRI = HAPHAESTOS = BUNENE

HOLY GRAIL = AMRITAM = SOMA = LIFE ELIXIR = NECTAR OF IMMORTALITY


THE LIST IS ENDLESS!

THE NIBIRUAN GODS ( NIBIRU = NEBADON = VULCAN = PLANET X = WORMWOOD FROM SIRIUS B ) HAD THEIR BASES EVERYWHERE.

ALL THE RELIGIONS HAVE THE SAME SOURCE !
( BIBLE -> BY-BAL -> BY BA'AL( ENKI))
( QURAN -> QUR-AN / ANU )

MANY OF THE COMPARED CHARACTERS/ INCIDENTS MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED AT ONE PLACE AND THEN IMPLANTED INTO ANOTHER CULTURE FOR THEIR BENEFIT.

SOURCE :
http://www.galacticroundtable.com/forum/topics/sumerian-gods-hindu-gods