Alternative energy for your home

[pilot]

I am seriously considering converting to solar for my house, it would seem that there are affordable ways to do this now, by building your own panels & doing all the installation yourself. This is a product I found off some website:

http://www.homemadeenergy.org/head2.html?hop=cyprusmete

It looks pretty good to me, I was wondering if any other members have familiarity with it and what their opinion is, if it is a good guide or if there are any better.

I think it should all be free by the way, but this guide is very inexpensive.
If I or one of us knows how to build solar panels and wind mills-wouldn't it be great if we could post the instructions on this forum?

I want to do something practical and not spend all my time speculating about the illuminati and what's to become of us-and I am sick of paying for electricity when it is entirely possible to get it free.

This is something I have control over and can do-and I want to do it soon!

[BrickNoome]

Please let me know if you try this and if it works/ is legit. Thanks!:original:

[Antaletriangle]

You've got the right attitude there pilot or should i say altitude!!lol.

[mudhog92]

Someone I know just went off the grid with solar, but it cost $30K. Someone's claim to do it for $200 raises my eyebrow. I would do more research before jumping at that add. When I read it, my gut didn't like it. Might be source of information, but some of those claims are probably the far ends of the spectrum. Some of it might be possible, but to do your whole house, to hook it al up together probably takes some skill the average person lacks. Good luck, but be careful. I found a 45watt solar panel at Harbor Freight for $200. It's big enough to charge a 12v car battery that can run a small TV and DVD player off an inverter. Do more research for yourself. My 2cents....

[milk and honey]

Power generating windmills usually sell for thousands of dollars on the net so i too would be very wary of this offer to "inform you" of a $100 device.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

hey im looking into getting a petrol generator and seeing if we can convert it to HH0. IVE GOT ABOUT 40 DOCS ON STAN MEYERS STUFF. SOME SCHEMATICS AND PLANS. in fact ive jsut been colecting info for about the last 4 months on everyconceivalbe kind of free NRG. one of my friend sfathers is an industrial electrician and he has just succesfully done HH0 assisted diesel.. not sure of the details but im happy to share info i have collected

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/

hope this helps if people havnt seen this site yet

[Angelo]

I have a good feeling that prices will drop a little, let's say, one year from now, so I will personally wait a little more.
Every information is of course welcome!!!

[Nik]

I have a good feeling that prices will drop a little, let's say, one year from now...

I think most people here are thinking much more short-term than that! :mfr_lol:

[christian]

Hello, this might be a bit off topic as we have not yet completed our technology for home application, but I would like to share with you something we've been working on for about 8 years. I've received interest from most of the major oil companies in the USA, and several in other countries. We just were written about in the latest issue of: http://www.zeuslibrary.com/syngas/

I'm not sure if the newsletter is available on line at this time, as it just was released yesterday. However, there is a 2 page write up on the latest developments of the technology. Basically, it converts methane gas (whether from farms, landfills, gas flares, etc) into methanol liquid. As some of you may know, methanol is a chemical, but is used in making biodiesel, gasoline, DME and a host of other fuels. Our prototype plant is nearly completed.

You can learn more at gastechnodotcom website. We are not yet prepared to sell out to the majors, but we have been approached by several. With the CO2 reduction climate out there, it has been interesting as a CO2 reduction technology.

I've been reading/listening/watching things from Project Camelot over the past 6 months or so and although I admit to not believing many things, I do find some of the research very valuable in my own businesses.

Please keep in mind this is a modular chemical/fuels plant, and is not cheap to engineer and fabricate on small scales, but compared to those that control all the competitor technologies we have a bright future for those who understand the potential of methanol as a fuel source and chemical. I may not post often, but I'll be reading and listening to learn as much as I can.

May the Lord bless each of you. Please communicate with me on this site if you seek to have further private discussion.

[recallone]

Concerning wind generators - check this out (http://eduhosting.org/classes/windgens/free.html#hands).
Peace.

[Angelo]

I think most people here are thinking much more short-term than that! :mfr_lol:
why?

[ARE WE THERE YET]

why?
HI aNGELO

Well Nik is right that alot of people here think on a timeline from today to when ever. I like most are waiting to see if all is good after November

I think its courteouse to explain: The U.S has an election in early November and many doubt there will even be a next government. Their economy is already crashed and only a fine thread of deceit and lies holds it together.

Alot of western countries including my own (NZ, with elections on 8 Nov) are experiencing a rescession unparalled before and we all believe it to be a plan rather than coincidence.

Whoever is pulling all the strings for our world today it appears they are in a hurry to put plans of world control,population control, or by sheer madness on their part Armegeddon. ie WW3, into action and then you have the planet Herself not being to happy at the way we are behaving.
The scenarios for our immediate future are to numerous to put here but if you look they can be found everywhere.


I disagree that we should all just throw our hands in the air and give up!.
So we should consider long term as well as short term. If we can all fight back the fear and spread hope and boycott evil we just might turn all this around.
I have investment in a company started here that have plans in action to do just that. The concept is over the top but what we need to support these ideas http://www.itmdi-energy.com/.


Good Luck and hope I wasn't coming over as patronizing.

[Antaletriangle]

I heard somewhere can't remember where it was about 2 months ago that if you generate your own electricity then the surplus you generate can go into the grid but YOU HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE YOUR ELECTRICITY METER changed over to be able to do this and i think it goes into the hundreds of pounds!!Sick really-there's a person trying to help with energy problems off their own 'bat' and being punished financially for this purpose.Surely there should be some grant offered by govts. to attaract/encourage people to partcipate in this.I think they don't want this-keep fuel prices as they want them kept to line their bank balances more.Anyway to make money-indeed it is a god to most!

[Angelo]

Thanks a lot for answering!

I understand what you are writing, it's somehow really a unsure situation, that's why I am concerned about alternative energy too....
I was just meaning that going off the grid and survive on one's own energy is a big step, I personally find the planning very important. The realisation is done in a short time, that's why I was saying I will wait a little more.
But, of course, I live in another land, have other priorities etc.

Thanks for clearing your point of view,

ciao, Angelo

[Sky Otter]

Hi Guys

i'm not exactly off the grid but working on anything i can to lessen the dependence on others..
one of the best sources i have found for really good honest info is called
Countryside & small stock journal
it can be accessed on line at

www.countrysidemag.com

it covers all types of stuff from wind and solar as well as livestock and
farming plus tons of other pioneer stuff if you are serious
and really great reading and knowledge if you are only curious

personally i would like to do the wind thing but my hubby insists that you need too many batteries for storage...i'm looking into it.:thumb_yello:

wavin

[Gnosis5]

That is going on my library shelf, thank you very much.




http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/

hope this helps if people havnt seen this site yet

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/

hope this helps if people havnt seen this site yet

all I have to say is wow.

and thank you.

and I love this forum.

[Peace of Mine]

We set up our 44' sailboat to live completely grid-free, using solar and wind, and back-up gen if needed. We could use some more solar panels. Has anyone actually checked out the "homemade solar panels???" It would be important to have them waterproof, and foolproof, but solar and wind is not complicated to understand.

We use an E-Meter to monitor how many amps we use, how many we're putting back, what the voltage is, and a history of battery storage. We use 2 8-D AGM batteries, 440 amp hours, to run our systems. That is, excellent refrigeration, unlimited laptop and internet, all lights, tvs, soy milk maker, crockpot, etc. We use solar hot-water - we made our own - and cooking is by LPG stove with oven, grill (seldom used - we're vegetarian) and solar oven.

It is very satisfying, to know how to set up your own system and learn to monitor and maintain it. Yes, it requires some compromises, and you have to be very aware of how much each appliance uses. You learn how many amps a hairdryer pulls, and which ones require a power boost before flicking a switch. You set up keel-kooled refrigeration, which is extremely energy-efficient.

Given inexpensive solar and wind options, it is not rocket science. The problem is that many inventions have been bought off (or the inventors killled.) Many countries, like Sweden, have done a much better job than the USA in utilizing alternative energy.

A great site to monitor for new projects - the goal is to make them free for all - is www.peswiki.com,

And keep the excellent info coming, everyone! Isn't this forum awesome??? Thanks, Bill and Kerry, and fellow compatriots!

[Norval]

A couple more threads on these points are

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1202

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=701

Where to post?!? LOL

This is what I call organized confusion, but WE are getting to know each other.
Help those moderators and thread sorters to do their job by searching for topic before we post. Glad to see all these ideas coming out.

[Norval]

Given that I live on a boat I have often thought of hydrogen power. Breaking down water into HHO and burning that in a boiler to produce steam. The steam would then drive a Tesla disc turbine, which would then drive a generator producing the electricity I want.

Combining the known methods of breaking down sea water, electrolyses, microwave, sound, and so on, should produce far more gas than I would need to fire the boiler.

Just my thoughts on how I might power this boat I live on. It's a 50 foot self powered barge type boat.

Thats just a thought, , , :sleep_1:

[John Doe]

Here is an Idea for free hot water.
Simply make a grid of black plastic (or whatever) tubes on the roof of the house.
Connected to the water-tank.
Remember Hot water goes up... Cold water goes down... So connect on both sides of the water box, but one higher then the other... Thus, the water will flow on it's own, and heat up.

Here is an idea for free light... only day time... sorry :tongue2:
Get a 2 Liter coke bottle. Fill it up with clean water. 1 Lid of bleach. 1 of those black camera "film containers", placed over the lid (to protect the lid from the weather)
Place the bottle on the roof, with only the upper part (the conical part that ends at the lid / or 1/3rd of the bottle) on the outside. The rest of the bottle inside.
Due to the light refraction, a room will light up the very well. Output would be something like a 60w incandescent.
4 or 5 will be equivalent to a couple of florescent tubes lights.
Don't wary about cloudy days, there isn't much change to the illumination.
CHECK: http://www.rts.org.br/noticias/destaque-2/litros-de-luz
AND CHECK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeM8PhtUXGk

[Truth voice 2012]

Im building a generator soon that uses magnetic repulsion based on this design: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa8EBXKDW4 . Its pretty cheap. I ordered 50 high powered disc magnets for $90 and im either going to use wood or plastic moulds for the magnetic wheels (this will be the tough part). Im gonna get a standard petrol powered generator (probably for 20$ at a scrap yard) and remove the combustion engine and replace it with this magnetic motor. Attach the magnetic motor to the existing dynamo built into the generator. The cog sizes will need to be adjusted for the correct RPM into the dynamo. It should have sufficient power for a small house or else just dont use a lot of electronics if your in a big house. Make a lead with a plug at either end and if the main power should go out plug this lead in to the generator and then into one of the wall sockets of your home. I havent tested this yet by the way. Its still just an idea. Im waiting on parts to arrive at the mo and ill post results and videos when/IF complete. :biggrin2:

Peace&Love
TV2012

[Norval]

Truth voice,
please learn alot more about electricty before you do this.

just a suggestion.

[Anchor]

Make a lead with a plug at either end and if the main power should go out plug this lead in to the generator and then into one of the wall sockets of your home.

I dont really think you are being serious, maybe you are having a joke, but if you are being serious: please don't do this.

Never make a mains lead with a plug at both ends - never ever. Just think about it for a moment and you will see what an incredibly dangerous thing that is to do.

Hint: If you want to power your house with a Generator, you need a thing called a transfer switch. Also from the sounds of it, you need the services of a professional electrician.

[Carol]

We set up our 44' sailboat to live completely grid-free, using solar and wind, and back-up gen if needed. We could use some more solar panels. Has anyone actually checked out the "homemade solar panels???" It would be important to have them waterproof, and foolproof, but solar and wind is not complicated to understand.

We use an E-Meter to monitor how many amps we use, how many we're putting back, what the voltage is, and a history of battery storage. We use 2 8-D AGM batteries, 440 amp hours, to run our systems. That is, excellent refrigeration, unlimited laptop and internet, all lights, tvs, soy milk maker, crockpot, etc. We use solar hot-water - we made our own - and cooking is by LPG stove with oven, grill (seldom used - we're vegetarian) and solar oven.

It is very satisfying, to know how to set up your own system and learn to monitor and maintain it. Yes, it requires some compromises, and you have to be very aware of how much each appliance uses. You learn how many amps a hairdryer pulls, and which ones require a power boost before flicking a switch. You set up keel-kooled refrigeration, which is extremely energy-efficient.

Given inexpensive solar and wind options, it is not rocket science. The problem is that many inventions have been bought off (or the inventors killled.) Many countries, like Sweden, have done a much better job than the USA in utilizing alternative energy.

A great site to monitor for new projects - the goal is to make them free for all - is www.peswiki.com,

And keep the excellent info coming, everyone! Isn't this forum awesome??? Thanks, Bill and Kerry, and fellow compatriots!

Thanks for the link :thumb_yello: You're story is inspirational. Where are you currently located?

[Truth voice 2012]

I should have mentioned turning off the power first to the house or when society collapses in on itself and the power grid is off it can then be used safely. Thanx for the concern lads. Peace out

[371]

I should have mentioned turning off the power first to the house or when society collapses in on itself and the power grid is off it can then be used safely. Thanx for the concern lads. Peace out

OK, but still get an electrician to do it. I'm an electrician and I have seen many cases where someone has or could have seriously injured themself or others because they figure "Hey I can follow instructions". Maybe you could do it right, but it's too easy to mess up and hust someone.

And as someone mentioned before, when hooking up your house to any alternate form of energy other than a powerline, you need a TRANSFER SWITCH. This is exactly what it sounds like: it switches the house's power source between the "grid"(powerlines) or generator/whatever. They make ones that will do it automatically during a power outage, but you can set them up so that the house will run, when possible, purely on solar/wind/etc. and when available power dips below a certain level it will switch back to the grid.


This is one example why a transfer switch is nescessary:
Say power goes out in your area, so you start up your generator (you have no transfer switch). The generator powers your house, but it's unlikely that you'll be drawing the maximum output of the generator (if it's of good size)running your lights, refrigerator, computer, whatever. So this extra energy needs somewhere to go and since your house is still hooked up to the powerlines, the energy goes back onto the powerlines- this is called BACKFEED.

Someone down the street or the power company guy can get killed during a power outage because you decided to fire up your generator.


But you probably already know all that, I'm just saying it just in case.
-Good luck

[Zynox]

Please do not take any information in this post as gospel or advice.

If we are going to discuss alternative power / energy, it may prove useful to investigate and/or shed some common misconceptions and societal memes.

Many building codes have been reviewed and found not to increase safety, but to have been implemented for fiscal agendas (similar to the way some pharmaceuticals seem to have no efficacy but generate much profit). One must scan hard on the web, but there are studies done on this, if I round some up I'll post links.

Fatalities and injuries occur from all power sources, however, jumpering car batteries was one major source back when carburetors and open fuel fumes were more common. Safe procedures and understanding (intelligence applied as wisdom) was key to making the process safer, not addition of expensive equipment.

Transfer switches are often convenient, practical and sometimes (often?) required by codes, laws and regulations, but are not technically required.

One approach to minimize risks, such as in an emergency, is to open up the main breaker in the power panel, connect first end of a 'jumper' cord (both ends with the receptacle prongs) to an outlet in the residence, connect second end to the generator and finally start the generator. When normal power is restored, reversing the procedure by first shutting down the generator, then removing jumper cord from generator, then from residence with last step being the turning back on of the main breaker ensures the jumper is never handled energized and that the utility and neighbor's wiring isn't backfed / supplied by the generator.

I raise this issue because in times of crisis and emergency, some interesting choices will be presented, and if it involves following a code / rule / meme or saving a life or increasing chance of survival, my choice will be clear.

If one is wealthy or unable to follow instructions, or wants to follow a required law / code, then a transfer switch is the way to go. I just wonder where we will get them in times of need should systemic failures cascade through systems ...

Namaste!

[371]

Zynox, you're totally right. You seem to know what you're talking about

I was going on the thinking that this was something that was going to be set up and utilized NOW, to have on hand for a disaster/collapse situation. And I agree, alot of codes and rules are financially motivated. And yeah you can accomplish the same thing with 'jumpers' and turning the breaker off. A switch is just a lot safer and easier, and if price is an issue and you are good with tools you can MAKE a switch- it's essentially a big 3-way switch like you have in your house to turn on a light from 2 or more locations. I made one for a customer who (obviously) didn't want his house inspected and wanted systems that could be fixed (opposed to replaced).
If one is setting this up now really try and do it right, and I'm not talking about code here, just done safely.

BTW- I don't have a transfer switch, I have the genny on it's own breaker, so just I open the main and close the genny breaker. So atleast this way I have some overcurrent protection.

[storm4ce]

What will happen to the solar power installations after EMP attack or emission? Will they work or fail? Can someone please clarify this.

[Anchor]

@Zynox
@Truth Voice 2012

Sorry if this sounds like an attack, or preachy - it isn't - I promise! Normally I give up at this point but I am still bothered by this.

It is evident you know how to look after yourselves - don't get me wrong.

The principle behind me posting is this: if skilled men who, with the best motivation give instructions that include the fabrication of dangerous things, or the means to kill or wound, then they should at least explain all the relevant factors and dangers to those less skilled.

In this case, that would be mentioning fully disconnecting (both poles) your house from the grid first - you didn't and thats dangerous. Second, the two plug extension lead still sounds to me criminally irresponsible and you would want to mitigate the risk you are creating by fabricating the lead only at the point of need, and then destroying it when you are done with it. If you have already made one up, and some kid finds it an plugs one end into a socket and touches on the other - well you can see where I am going...

We are all here with much knowledge to share, but at the same time we are karmically responsible for the words we utter or write and thier consequential effects on those other perhaps less experienced/knowledgable selves that hear and read them, and this happens whether we like it or not.

Finally, and this isnt just to get the last word in, there is another point to be made, and its about preparation vs. emergency measures. Transfer switches are obviously not required to use a generator in the manner you both described, but it is a safe way and an easy way, and if you are planning ahead, why not install one? Then others asides from yourselves with specialised knowledge can safely use it. Surely if you can afford a generator, and the fuel, the fuel storage systems, the fuel preservatives, oil, spares parts, tools and maintenance equipment, and all the other paraphanalia you need (or should have considered) to depend on one, then you can probably afford a transfer switch.

A..

[Anchor]

What will happen to the solar power installations after EMP attack or emission? Will they work or fail? Can someone please clarify this.

Good question, I'd like an answer on that too. When you look around the web there is a lot of conflicting information.

Your inverter and charger systems might suffer more than the panels. There are often longer runs of cables involved which act like antenna for the EMP.

If your system is grid-tied, then potentially the cable lengths are longer still (on the grid side).

I wonder if lightening suppressors would help? Anyone know?

[NorthernSanctuary]

The electronics is much more sensitive to high voltage/static, so they are burnt out by the EMP. They can be protected by an electrostatic shield (Faraday cage), but you need to make sure it is totally disconnected, and that no wire that can pick up the EMP will connect it to the components. eg. if you store your PC in a metal container, it would be protected during the EMP.

For solar cells, if exposed, will the generated voltage damage the cells is the question. To be safe, they should be protected also, otherwise, the second best is to disconnect the wires going to the panels temprarily; wrapping the panels in aluminum would also shield the panels from EMP.

[Truth voice 2012]

"I havent tested this yet by the way. Its still just an idea. Im waiting on parts to arrive at the mo and ill post results and videos when/IF complete."
These sentences here mean: This is an idea and the generator and safety precausions that go with dont exist yet. Once I have built and tested it SAFELY I will let people know whether it works or not.

I put my hands up to this one though: "Make a lead with a plug at either end and if the main power should go out plug this lead in to the generator and then into one of the wall sockets of your home." What I should have said was "I will make a lead..." instead of "make a lead..." and "...wall sockets of MY home." instead of "...wall sockets of your home. This was completely irresponsible of me. I gotta watch my grammar. Ill be the only one taking the risk here and its my own business if I wish to do so. I was just looking for input on an idea not a condescending ego debate. I appretiate the input on the transfer switch but the message have been delivered in more respectful manner. Yup, the future is looking bright for the human race alright. (last comment on this thread) :sad:

[Anchor]

>condescending ego debate.
>message (should) have been delivered in more respectful manner

Ooops I did it again. I am really sorry.

Guilty as charged. I know I am very bad at this sometimes. I don't always know how to word things to avoid sounding condescending - its always a challenge for me. This isnt the first time I get accused of being condescending. I don't want to be. The first time (in another place) I had to look the word up and was horrified at what I was being accused of.

I seem to always feel the need to express my ideas fully and accurately and this then gets me in trouble.

A..

[Norval]

In other words, be safe. disconect from the power grid first and then plug your gen set into a good load carrier circut, like your dryer outlet, or stove outlet.

just a suggestion.

[some_gurlie]

Concerning wind generators - check this out (http://eduhosting.org/classes/windgens/free.html#hands).
Peace.

wholly cow that site is hard to read!

[MargueriteBee]

To save energy I went and bought some outdoor solar lights, I put them on my balcony during the day and bring them in at night. I don't have to turn the lights on at all. I use one to carry around like a candle and I can turn it off when I go to bed and leave the other in the living room as a night light. I'll see how well they work in winter.

To me this is a simple and inexpensive way to light my home in the evening now not just when the grid goes down.

[DenisSelivanov]

please do not take any information in this post as gospel or advice.

If we are going to discuss alternative power / energy, it may prove useful to investigate and/or shed some common misconceptions and societal memes.

Many building codes have been reviewed and found not to increase safety, but to have been implemented for fiscal agendas (similar to the way some pharmaceuticals seem to have no efficacy but generate much profit). One must scan hard on the web, but there are studies done on this, if i round some up i'll post links.

Fatalities and injuries occur from all power sources, however, jumpering car batteries was one major source back when carburetors and open fuel fumes were more common. Safe procedures and understanding (intelligence applied as wisdom) was key to making the process safer, not addition of expensive equipment.

Transfer switches are often convenient, practical and sometimes (often?) required by codes, laws and regulations, but are not technically required.

One approach to minimize risks, such as in an emergency, is to open up the main breaker in the power panel, connect first end of a 'jumper' cord (both ends with the receptacle prongs) to an outlet in the residence, connect second end to the generator and finally start the generator. When normal power is restored, reversing the procedure by first shutting down the generator, then removing jumper cord from generator, then from residence with last step being the turning back on of the main breaker ensures the jumper is never handled energized and that the utility and neighbor's wiring isn't backfed / supplied by the generator.

I raise this issue because in times of crisis and emergency, some interesting choices will be presented, and if it involves following a code / rule / meme or saving a life or increasing chance of survival, my choice will be clear.

If one is wealthy or unable to follow instructions, or wants to follow a required law / code, then a transfer switch is the way to go. I just wonder where we will get them in times of need should systemic failures cascade through systems ...

Namaste!


how do you know all these things, are you plugged into the matrix lad?

[Gnosis5]

OK, but still get an electrician to do it. I'm an electrician and I have seen many cases where someone has or could have seriously injured themself or others because they figure "Hey I can follow instructions". Maybe you could do it right, but it's too easy to mess up and hust someone.

And as someone mentioned before, when hooking up your house to any alternate form of energy other than a powerline, you need a TRANSFER SWITCH. This is exactly what it sounds like: it switches the house's power source between the "grid"(powerlines) or generator/whatever. They make ones that will do it automatically during a power outage, but you can set them up so that the house will run, when possible, purely on solar/wind/etc. and when available power dips below a certain level it will switch back to the grid.


This is one example why a transfer switch is nescessary:
Say power goes out in your area, so you start up your generator (you have no transfer switch). The generator powers your house, but it's unlikely that you'll be drawing the maximum output of the generator (if it's of good size)running your lights, refrigerator, computer, whatever. So this extra energy needs somewhere to go and since your house is still hooked up to the powerlines, the energy goes back onto the powerlines- this is called BACKFEED.

Someone down the street or the power company guy can get killed during a power outage because you decided to fire up your generator.


But you probably already know all that, I'm just saying it just in case.
-Good luck

Thank you for the advices. As an electrician what form of alternative energy would you use to power a townhouse that has not been upgraded to the 200-size? The original electrical box from the mid-70's is still working.

I admit, even though I can emit electricity I really don't know anything about it.

[Anchor]

I admit, even though I can emit electricity I really don't know anything about it.

:mfr_lol: That's cracked me up :)

[skyking]

Here are the facts on the most popular Alternative Energy Systems:

Wind Generator - installed cost is about $18,000USD for a Skystream and requires a LOT of wind to be useful, like 20mph per day. It is Grid Tie - provides power directly to your property and excess to the grid, and shuts down in a power outage (UL 1741 rule). 12mph average annual wind produces around 400kWh/mo power.

Photovoltaics - installed cost for 3kW is around $22,000USD. It is Grid Tie - provides power directly to your property and excess to the grid, and shuts down in a power outage (UL 1741 rule).

Battery Backup to Grid Tie System - for an additional $7,000USD you can add a battery bank and inverter to provide emergency power in case of a power failure. The batteries will provide one day under normal usage and two days if you are really conservative with your power loads. An additional battery bank to double your time off grid would cost an additional $4000USD.

Totally Off-Grid - This is a combination of the Battery Backup system mentioned above and the Photovoltaics (or Wind Generator) to provide the recharging power for the batteries. A total system is around $34,000USD with battery capacity for four days without sun.

Backup Generator - in case of prolonged power outage or you are off-grid and you don't have sun (PV) or wind (turbine) for several days then you are forced to recharge the batteries using a conventional fossil fueled generator. I use a 13kW generator that attaches to the rear PTO of my tractor running on B20 biodiesel.

Solar Hot Water - two Evacuated Tube Collectors, an 80 gal stainless steel storage tank, and a backup on-demand hot water heater (Toyotomi uses oil/biofuel, Rinnai uses propane) will provide domestic hot water (DHW) for up to four people and the backup heater will only run 15-20% of the time annually, saving around 200 gal of fossil fuel. A larger system of 6 collectors, 300 gal storage tank, and backup heater when used with radiant floor heating can save up to 600 gal of fossil fuel annually. These figures are based on the climate in New England.

Costs - your out of pocket costs for these systems will vary according to any state and local utility rebate/incentive programs.

Wood and Pellet Stoves are also a 'carbon neutral' and cost effective way to heat a building in northern climates where biomass (trees) are abundant and locally available to reduce shipping costs.

Further information is available on my website:

http://solrheatsystems.com

Aside from a global public release of free energy technology (one can only hope) these systems are the current 'state of the art' and there are no game changing developments or technologies in the works that will be commercially available for the next 3-5 years. A lot of unscrupulous people will be drawn to this industry to rip people off as people go into panic mode over the current energy crisis. If you see something that seems too good to be true, it's probably bogus. Do your homework and select a system that's been around with a proven track record.

Caveat: my advice is worth exactly what you just paid for it! :thumb_yello:

[Zynox]

how do you know all these things, are you plugged into the matrix lad?

DS,

I have been in the trenches of electrical work since I was a wee-lad, as hobby, then career. Funny things along the way, I have witnessed many electrical events that seemed to defy the physics and electrical theory I was taught at the university, and this excites me, one might say electrifies me, as it leaves me knowing we have much to learn regarding all forms of electro-magnetic-scaler? energy.

As for the matrix, I feel I was suppressed by it along the way, does that count as being plugged into it? Unlike Neo, I have never really felt like I had an inside connection to it, more like I sensed it, as something most repulsive.

In another thread where I elected not to post further in the escalation, you asked, what is namaste. Namaste is an Indian greeting / blessing, and I apply it to you, my polar brother, "The divine in me honors the divine in thee", thus,

Namaste!

[Zynox]

Caveat: my advice is worth exactly what you just paid for it! :thumb_yello:

Skyking,

To me, your post was worth the free read inflated to great succinct detail, see inflation may be our friend! Excellent presentation!

I'm embarking on a road trip ( http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1944 ) to get into the trenches and learn/work/support folks in the solar/wind endeavor, and I will check out your site. I hope we may develop some mutual value to each other, beyond your information.

Also, if I may be of any free service to you in the electrical field, please feel free to contact me.

Namaste!

[DenisSelivanov]

DS,

I have been in the trenches of electrical work since I was a wee-lad, as hobby, then career. Funny things along the way, I have witnessed many electrical events that seemed to defy the physics and electrical theory I was taught at the university, and this excites me, one might say electrifies me, as it leaves me knowing we have much to learn regarding all forms of electro-magnetic-scaler? energy.

As for the matrix, I feel I was suppressed by it along the way, does that count as being plugged into it? Unlike Neo, I have never really felt like I had an inside connection to it, more like I sensed it, as something most repulsive.

In another thread where I elected not to post further in the escalation, you asked, what is namaste. Namaste is an Indian greeting / blessing, and I apply it to you, my polar brother, "The divine in me honors the divine in thee", thus,

Namaste!


As for the matrix, I feel I was suppressed by it along the way, does that count as being plugged into it? Unlike Neo, I have never really felt like I had an inside connection to it, more like I sensed it, as something most repulsive.

could you elaborate on that?

[mudhog92]

I can relate to the generator info, lived in the sticks, needed one to keep my pipes from freezing in the winter when we would lose power for few days post snow storm. With the way things are looking for the future, just bought some solar panels, inverter and giving it the ole college try. Got everything for less than four hundred bucks, should run basics if i watch what I do. Experimenting this weekend. Won't run the furnace, but can switch to wood,.....

[Zynox]

As for the matrix, I feel I was suppressed by it along the way, does that count as being plugged into it? Unlike Neo, I have never really felt like I had an inside connection to it, more like I sensed it, as something most repulsive.

could you elaborate on that?

Greets again,

Since this is an energy thread, you could start another thread and send me a link or e-mail/message if you want more details, I have a fascinating story, to some, and I'll only tease and say, I have been real close to a lightning strike and been bumped across space and time from 1000 volts AC shock ...

~ namaste ~

[DenisSelivanov]

Greets again,

Since this is an energy thread, you could start another thread and send me a link or e-mail/message if you want more details, I have a fascinating story, to some, and I'll only tease and say, I have been real close to a lightning strike and been bumped across space and time from 1000 volts AC shock ...

~ namaste ~

can u give more detail?

[meekforce]

Here is a link for a motor - gives instructions - my understanding is it has a torquee up to 1600lbs

http://www.members.shaw.ca/motorlab/Instructionsmk5.13.htm#Test%20Results

[meekforce]

Here is a link to one more that caught my eye but have not had the time to try it out - maybe someone here who is to the electrical field may want to experiment with it - those who had experience with earth batteries would see why this link holds some credibility
http://www.mondovista.com/meyers/

another is about a gentleman who says his coil will increase energy if I remember right by about 5 times the input - but if true and if one could but these coils in parallel then even earth batteries may be a viable solution.

http://www.markorodin.com/

[Lance]

I am in talks with Arthur to get the mfg rights for the PNW (in BC, Washington, Oregon and Northern California) to get this made here

http://www.hushenergy.com.au/

[korzinabaskets]

I folks i have been working on a Badini motor and have a small model working, we are going to scale it up this year.
Has anyone out there had a go at it and if so have you generated electric from it!

links to Badini pages

thanks
Doug

http://www.icehouse.net/john34/bedinibearden.html

http://www.rexresearch.com/bedini/images.htm

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/365-bedini-schoolgirl.html

[soulrider]

Heres a great site i've been looking at for a while. Theres loads of different DIY projects as well as a shop for all your projects, hope this helps. http://www.reuk.co.uk/

[minimeister]

Sorry to be so blunt but there are only a few posts I have seen on this subject that are actually good advice. The rest is going to get people killed. Your energy supply in a SHTF scenario could mean the difference literally between life and death so I want to share a few things in hopes that a few more people might live when the time comes. I sell alternative energy systems so here's the deal;

- This is no longer about saving the planet, it's about saving your ass
- Get yours now! Do not wait! There is no silver bullet on the horizon and waiting for it will leave you with nothing soon. You will not save any money by waiting because inflation is driving up prices on everything at least as much as innovation is bringing costs down. This is not the computer industry, you do not see radical price changes in short periods of time. One year from now prices will probably be about 40% higher if you can get the stuff at all.
- Focus on getting your energy output to a level that will enhance your physical security. This means enough for security lighting and communications such as walkie talkies and wifi. In the short term absence of modern services security will likely require more effort than food and shelter acquisition.
- Don't think about a grid tie system, get a completely stand alone system that you or your family can move and install yourselves on short notice. The technical knowledge you need for this is easy to acquire and something you should know for yourself versus having to find someone to do it for you.
- Water pumping...crucial...this is the one that will get most people I think. There are lots of ways to go about this, most of them wrong for what we really need. The one thing about this people overlook is the life of the batteries. What if batteries are no longer available? Most batteries have an average life of about 4-5 years. This depends on the type of course but even the best batteries will eventually go south. This means if you have an AC water pump running off an inverter and the batteries no longer work you will not have water. This would be a nasty surprise down the line. To avoid this problem you get a DC water pump that runs DIRECTLY from the panels. When the sun is shining it pumps, no batteries involved. The water is pumped to an elevated tank where it is stored and gravity provides the pressure. The only pumps I use are from sunpumps.com. The only limits to this system are the life of the pump and the life of the panels. Both should be good for about a generation or two. You may want to get an extra pump to keep as a replacement. At least get replacement parts.
- To keep the initial costs of the system down go pure DC and only use pure DC stuff. It's easy to find DC fans, lighting and adapters for laptops. If you have $1500.00 you can get a good starter system that can grow without having to replace anything. The amount of power this provides will be enough for a fan, a light, laptop and networking equipment. This may be a step down in comfort level for most folks but believe me it's better than none.
- Remember that survival Mad Max style will always involve clean water as a commodity. With this one resource you will be able to trade for ANYTHING else. Also, water pumping allows for agriculture and caring for animals. This is what will allow you to live an agrarian lifestyle versus hunter-gatherer. Herein lies the key to living versus surviving.
- You don't have time for experiments. Buy proven components only and then experiment once you have a base established.
- As far as EMP goes, this only applies if you live in an urban center. In this case, your biggest problem will be the 'zombies' not that your solar panels got fried. If you are not out in the country when this goes down you're dead, sorry. EMP should not be a problem in the country as only infrastructure will be targeted and the power of the EMP falls off at the inverse of the square. You will want to protect against lightning and other environmental damage of course but that's all standard stuff you will learn while studying the basics.

I've been living overseas off grid for about two years now so I'm not just talking out of my ass. I found a new level of peace in my life by making this transition. I'm long out of the realm of just talking about it and I put my money where my mouth is every day by running both my home and my business off grid. If things work out in the world where we don't have this anticipated upheaval, wouldn't you still want to be self sustaining? Which is more important, a shiny new (insert needless consumer item here) or energy independence for life? I'll leave you with one last thought...

"When it all went down the people were expecting the state to maintain control with a technical Police State matrix. They never thought they would rely on the time-proven method of controlling their food and water. If you can produce your own food and water you are much harder to control. If your family is starving even a proud man will submit. Every siege in history has been based on this one simple idea."

[minimeister]

Hi bhoss,

Here are a few links to answer your questions;

Some pre-designed systems from wholesalesolar.com...
http://www.wholesalesolar.com/products.folder/systems-folder/REMOTETELECOM.html

Some other kits from mrsolar.com
http://www.mrsolar.com/page/MSOS/CTGY/indkits

These kits start as low as around $300 and go up to around $5000. Good range of kits, all balanced and tested. I must emphasize again that learning a little about this stuff isn't really optional. Consider it an essential survival skill in our world today. realgoods.com is a great place to start learning and they do have a reputable business selling systems as well but I think they're pricey.

As far as keeping it portable, this is a trade off between total production capacity and transportability. If you have enough help and a truck you can move a big system in a hurry. If you have to bug out quick you might want something more like this;

http://solardyne.stores.yahoo.net/aasolbatchar.html

Even being able to charge AA batteries can be extremely useful so if you're on a tight budget you may want something like that. It's $90, plus $20 for some rechargeable AA batteries.

If you have the money and the ability to transport a larger system it's very important to have the ability to pump water so go for that.

If you need to purify water use a solar distiller, which can be made very cheap and easy;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_still

For cooking solar ovens work great on days with good sun;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cooker

And please remember water purification is tactical. Water pumping is strategic.

[Powerinourhandsl]

hopefully not completely off topic , but i would like to mention the fact that Magnets are very useful for generating electric etc. In a time or circumstance where there is no where to plug your microwave in , i suggest you scrap it , and any more you might find and remove the large magents that lie within these devices. These can then be used to make a generator.

Unfortunatly there are no Free energy machines just yet. Any one intending to make one of the many published designs that are out there must prepare themselves for a long frustrating time trying to get them to work. But that will not last forever , i am associated with one design that will give free energy to the world soon. I cannot give any more details so don´t ask. But the future when we get there lol will be a bright free one. I mention this a another glimmer of positive hope for us.

Love to you all , together we can do anything

[peaceandlove]

On this Site you can download:

Army Survival Manual
http://projectavalon.net/us_army_survival_manual.pdf 277 pages


Also Survival & Self-Reliance Studies Institute - Mega amounts of info.
Goods for Barter, Outdoor Survival, you name it, I think it's there.
Requires you do some searching
http://www.ssrsi.org/index.htm

Patrick Kelly Free Energy Guide 1776 pages
How to boil water and more.
http://www.projectavalon.net/Patrick_Kelly_Free_Energy_Guide.pdf

With Peace and Love in Mind, :wub2:

[DiVineEnvy]

John Moore recommends a setup that involves wood or charcoal combustion in a boiler which in turn powers a steam turbine electric generator. This seems to make sense especially where combustible material is readily available.

http://thelibertyman.com/steam_generator.php

[whitecrow]

Someone's claim to do it for $200 raises my eyebrow. ...When I read it, my gut didn't like it.....


Likewise. If it was really that simple...

...although I did have a co-worker a few years ago, who quit his job to work with his dad producing a small wind-turbine they'd invented and said they could build for under $100. I never saw a working model but I did see a short video on a CD-ROM that they'd put together, and I was impressed.

I have to confess to a nagging gut feeling that small-scale self-production of energy is not only feasible but will become the way of the future. I just don't know how to put it into practice, yet.

[Brinty]

I want to do something practical and not spend all my time speculating about the illuminati and what's to become of us-and I am sick of paying for electricity when it is entirely possible to get it free.

This is something I have control over and can do-and I want to do it soon!

If it's of any assistance to you Pilot, some years ago we looked into what was available to produce electricity at home and it was pointed out that at that time (1988), there were three options - Wind, Solar and Hydro electric.
The problem with wind was that there wasn't always enough to generate power, the same applied to solar. On the other hand, if you were able to have access to a river, then running water would be a permanent source of energy.

I have to say at this point that at that time we were living in New Zealand where if it didn't rain for six weeks we'd be crying out for drought assistance.

[Norval]

Living on a boat I have often thought of using the tide for generation of power.

[Seva]

Hi Guys

i'm not exactly off the grid but working on anything i can to lessen the dependence on others..
one of the best sources i have found for really good honest info is called
Countryside & small stock journal
it can be accessed on line at

www.countrysidemag.com (http://www.countrysidemag.com)

it covers all types of stuff from wind and solar as well as livestock and
farming plus tons of other pioneer stuff if you are serious
and really great reading and knowledge if you are only curious

personally i would like to do the wind thing but my hubby insists that you need too many batteries for storage...i'm looking into it.:thumb_yello:

wavin

Thanks! great info

[Realview]

May have missed a post on this but you can also easily create a "Fueless heater" if you you tube and google you'll find two plus an infrared system. The principle on the two is simply to rotate a cylinder within a cylinder where there is water in the outer cylinder. Actually one type uses oil, transmission fluid what ever at about 1200 rpm. The result is perpetual heat varying by the size of the unit. People claim to heat their home by this method even outputting the heat to the central heating ducts. The other type produces steam or hot water with cylinder cavities in the rotating drum. They claim over unity by as much as 70 %.

[meekforce]

May have missed a post on this but you can also easily create a "Fueless heater" if you you tube and google you'll find two plus an infrared system. The principle on the two is simply to rotate a cylinder within a cylinder where there is water in the outer cylinder. Actually one type uses oil, transmission fluid what ever at about 1200 rpm. The result is perpetual heat varying by the size of the unit. People claim to heat their home by this method even outputting the heat to the central heating ducts. The other type produces steam or hot water with cylinder cavities in the rotating drum. They claim over unity by as much as 70 %.

www.fuellesspower.com seems to be a scam site, selling a lot of "free energy" plans that do not work.



This article, http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clem1.htm, which is about the Richard Clem engine, mentiones fuellesspower.com at the end. There are other complaints about fuellesspower.com elsewhere online.


"In the last part of June 2001, Rick Harrison, president of Creative Sciences sent an email to KeelyNet saying he was prepared to sue if we did not stop 'bad-mouthing' his company. The website is http://www.fuellesspower.com and I told him go ahead, since I and many others would love to see them prove their overunity claims in court. Since then he has not responded back and the website is not responding, so I think they are changing their claims. We also have several emails from others who say Creative ripped them off and one from Brazil saying its been 60 days after he sent about $115.00 and received nothing."
Fuelles Power Plans Scam
Submitted by Seen the Model (not verified) on April 13, 2007 - 22:07.

My next door (mentally ill) neighbor has several plans they are all fraud. The fueless heater is a rod dangling in motor oil. The generator plans have you wind copper wire around a plastic tray.

But - no one really cares because only nuts order the plans and they will never think its a scam. You can show these nuts demonstration models on how things are in this life - but theres no use they will never get it.
These nuts think free energy is real using household items they wont listen to simple laws of 1st grade science. They choose to live a lie.
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what has your nextood
Submitted by esaruoho on April 15, 2007 - 07:11.

what has your nextood neighbour got to do with www.fuellesspower.com , please? could you clarify if this response of yours is based on "oh, yes, theres something quite like that somewhere, its a scam", instead of visiting the premises of the company and finding information on it?
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Sorry your wrong
Submitted by deltafour (not verified) on July 26, 2008 - 17:05.

The person who commented "My next door (mentally ill) neighbor has several plans they are all fraud. The fueless heater is a rod dangling in motor oil."
Is totaly wrong. Thats what i thought it was by the depsecription . Reason they say this is because they dont want to give you the secret, making you buy the plans. But i wasnt going to spend $40 to find out.

One day i was surfing and found this site by accident. Someone put the actual plans online and I quickly downloaded them. I was reading them and found it quite interesting and I can assure you its not a can of oil with a zinc rod dangling in it.

No, I havent built one yet to test it. But I can sure you looking at it and the physics of it and hows its built there might be some claim to it. Time will tell
http://merlib.org/node/60

[MacGyverCanada]

Living on a boat I have often thought of using the tide for generation of power.

Tide doesn't really have much power in the open water; you need have a tide generator anchored to land in an area where tide is fairly extreme (the Bay of Fundy in NS, Canada is experimenting with tide power). Portugual just launched their prototype wave power generator, though I haven't heard about how it's doing.

I think it's important to really understand the system that you decide to build/buy. You can buy a great $12000 wind generator and power storage system, but there's no gurantee that you'll have a handy repairman around a few years down the road. For now, keep it simple. The fundamentals of power generation aren't too tough to grasp, but it takes time to learn. My plan is to study renewable energy next year (if everything stays 'normal'), but for now I've been experimenting with building wind turbines out of trash; that is, for zero dollars. Pretty poor results so far, but I haven't found much good trash (anyone throwing out an old treadmill?). The point is that I'm successfully generating power from junk salvaged on the city streets.

If you've got some money to spare on a nice new system, I have to recommend geothermal energy as a prime source. It's not so good at generating electricity on a small scale, but it'll heat/cool your home and it runs when there's no wind and no sun. I'm a fan of wind power as an electricity source, because you can do it on the cheap with only a few tools and some quality magnets. Links to resources below:

As for 'free' energy (overunity), there is some compelling evidence and research out there... but it also seems to suggest that success in generating free energy relies heavily on precise engineering. It's certainly not a backyard project. But keep your fingers crossed; we might see something of the sort in WalMart soon enough. :winksmiley02:

http://www.alton-moore.net/wind_turbines.html
http://www.thekevdog.com/projects/wind_generator/
http://www.fieldlines.com/
http://www.velacreations.com/chispito.html
http://www.energyconservationinfo.org/altconstruction.htm
http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_wind_tips.html
http://members.rennlist.org/warren/wind.html
http://www.thebackshed.com/windmill/default.asp
http://www3.telus.net/faheydumas/Wind_Turbine/Forum/AXIAL_FLUX_HowItWorks.pdf
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/axialflux/
http://www.recycle.net/exchange/index.html
http://www.quietrevolution.co.uk/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvHRZMfmkto&feature=related
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/

Hope this helps. I'd love to link up with other people experimenting with free energy!

[Metamike]

For those that are considering solar cells for energy - remember that the sun gives very little power during the winter months if you are in higher or lower latitudes. You will be surprised by how much less energy is available during the middle of december. To compensate, you might want to have a wind generator as well. That being said you will need to down size your electrical needs, unless you want to spend really loads of money just on power. I suggest that you think of using electricity to power diode lights, charge small batteries and at the most your laptop!

Unless you figure a way to make free energy from the vacuum, you can forget about generating heat, powering a car and that sort of stuff. Batteries just can not deliver.

[Fun 4U Leader]

What will happen to the solar power installations after EMP attack or emission? Will they work or fail? Can someone please clarify this.

Storm4ce,

Without getting too technical, the whole reason for EMP protection of electronic equipment is that the microcircuit chips used inside these devices usually operate around 5 to 24 volts, and more importantly (critically) in the micro-ampere or nano-ampere current range. That is extremely small electrical currents in circuits that are easily damaged by power surges. To a micro-amp circuit, 1/10th of an ampere surge is the same as a lightning bolt, and just as fatal. EMP's easily overwhelm normal surge protection and A/C power filtering.

I hear frequent discussions about EMP pulses and how to protect electrical appliances and consumer products from them. The information given is usually pretty good and work quite well with one little addendum that I seldom here:

Protected equipment must be isolated. Isolated means that any protected appliance, or PC or whatever, that has cables connected to it for power or for network connections MUST have those cables shielded as well. The simplest way is to unplug the thing and put all the cords inside the protective cage.

For example, having a working PC in a Faraday cage is useless because the pulse energy is so powerful that it will be introduced into the power cord or network cables (the cables acting like an antenna) and flow right through the wall of the cage and into the protected equipment and "click" goes the microcircuit chips that make the thing work.

Before anyone asks, WI-FI antennae will not work in a Faraday cage either or it wouldn't be a Faraday cage. A working Faraday cage stops ALL radio frequency emissions from getting inside, or from getting to the outside.

The only "sure" way of protecting electronic equipment is to completely shield it with all cables pulled in with it or else removed. Protecting the loose cables is only needed if the cables have built in electronic filters, AC-DC adapters or the like, in which case the cables must also be completely within the protected area.

My favorite example of cheap protection for laptop sized electronics, is an empty military metal ammunition can which surplus stores may carry. Wrap the equipment in cotton, then aluminum foil, then place in the can and close the lid. The final protection would be to connect the can to a source of electrical, Earth, ground.

For large PC's, appliances or even vehicles, a walk in or drive in Faraday cage can be built, not real cheap though. And, I mean "cage" with protection on all six sides, to include the floor. It must also be completely isolated. If sheet metal sides are used, no holes for light are allowed. That's why highly conductive mesh screen built into a mosquito netting style shed or booth is the best. You can see through the stuff. Doors must have no air gaps to the outside and must also be strapped over to the rest of the shielding. Don't rely on the metal hinges alone to do the job. Every square inch that is NOT connected or is not "grounded" (like the unstrapped door) is considered "floating" and will not stop a pulse. No wires for lighting, or pipes through the walls are allowed as they will act like antennae and re-radiate the pulse inside the cage, defeating its purpose.

Installing electronics and keeping it EMP protected was one part of my job in the USMC and where my experience comes from. Many military applications have two input power supplies. The one on-line takes the whole EMP pulse and bites the dust. Operators throw a switch to put an isolated backup power supply to on-line, power up and go. Fail safe as that is, few can afford it.

No links to provide. Best to you.

For the cause.

[Gnosis5]

I googled this website after someone told me it worked in their home:

http://xpower-energy-saver.com/

Has anyone else used it with good results?

[NorthernSanctuary]

I googled this website after someone told me it worked in their home:

http://xpower-energy-saver.com/

Has anyone else used it with good results?

The degree that it works depends on what appliances you use regularly. It does not work for any lighting, stove.

It has some effect on motors. Motors causes a phase shift in the voltage and current in the AC electricity, which means that at some point, the power is pumped back into the power utility. The power meter may not register this (I assume) and in this case you are charged for it. The device cost a minimum of $250, so you really need to analysis your situation to see if it is worth it, even if it works.