Is Smoking good for you?!

[nivosh]

Hello.

Recently I have heard that smoking cigarettes has many benefits
to the human body.
Off course I dismissed it as nonsense but when i checked it out on the web
i encountered numerous sites that claim exactly that.
see here: http://www.forces.org/evidence/evid/therap.htm


So, i wanted your opinion.
Is smoking good for you?!
And if all the research that claims smoking is BAD is another conspiracy then why?

[avyaktam]

I heard once that people that smoke react less well to mindcontrol.

[nagual]

It depends upon what you smoke...:smoke:

[Carmen]

No

[Lorien]

Smoking cigarettes is in no way good for you. Any info you find that says otherwise is probably paid for and planted by big tobacco companies.

[nivosh]

So, I go back to my question,

If Smoking IS bad For you as we are tought over and over again.

Why the governments of the world declared a war on smoking if they seem to profit so much from it?

[Luminari]

Why the governments of the world declared a war on smoking if they seem to profit so much from it?

Because smokers DIE and then they cant pay TAX

[oldpaganfreak]

and they cost A LOT of money in healthcare.
nivosh...did you get this information from the same source that told you that there are no palestinians?

[burgundia]

So, I go back to my question,

If Smoking IS bad For you as we are tought over and over again.

Why the governments of the world declared a war on smoking if they seem to profit so much from it?

To give them a reason to raise prices.

[BROOK]

Smoking good for you?.........I don't believe it :thumbdown:
Sounds like something the tobacco company would put out :mfr_omg:

[Dantheman62]

Everybody is different, my aunt smoked for almost 60 years and she's now 82, with no health problems what so ever. I've known a lot of older people who have smoked their entire lives with no problems. On the other hand, I've also seen younger people in their 40's and 50's have all kinds of lung problems due to smoking, so everybody is different.

I don't like the fact that most of the chemicals they put in cigarettes are just to keep them burning, so they don't go out all the time. You can buy all natural tobacco cigarettes which aren't to bad, but if you set them down for to long they will go out.

But is smoking good for you?, I doubt it, but to each his own! If they say eating chocolate chip cookies, pizza, and BBQ will shorten your life span then I guess I'll have a shorter life span! LOL :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:

[Orion11]

Cannabis = healthy mind, healthy body

ciggarettes? lol.. thats funny.

i still smoke them though. lol.. doh!

ifyou smoke cigs, you should get the all natural tobacco, and make them yerself with those machines , k? lol

so... if smoking cigs helps keep us unattuned to 'mind control'..
cigs and cannabis... theres no way they are getting in there!! LOL

maybe thats why they want cannabis to remain illegal and so DANGEROUS!!!!! lol

helps you recognize BS. lol
AND has many actual health benefits. lol :D

an im with Kathleen.
lots of stuff would be soo much safer today,
and of actual benefit..
if it were not poisoned.

[Swanny]

I have a theory that smokers get less colds and flu than those that don't, they want us to stop so that when they release the flu virus we all die.
But I'm not saying it's good for you. When I smoked I smoked roll ups which are not full of the chems that fags contain :thumb_yello:

[nivosh]

and they cost A LOT of money in healthcare.
nivosh...did you get this information from the same source that told you that there are no palestinians?

Here we go again... :wall::wall::wall:

[Swanny]

When they release the virus I will take up smoking again :smoke:

[Phtha]

As has been mentioned, smoking those store bought chemical rods called cigarettes are certainly unhealthy.
But as to whether smoking is good for us, I believe that it all depends on what you are smoking. I look at the mechanics of smoking much the same way as liquid, the substance goes into your body down your throat and absorbs within. My guess is that smoke reaches many more areas in the body directly and more rapidly then liquid.

The only question I have is whether the burning of the matter kills anything that might be beneficial during the smoking process. From my vast amounts of personal experience with the intake of smoke:original:, I'm leaning more to the belief that yes smoking can be beneficial to your health. But as the saying goes "watch what you eat", in the case should be "watch what you smoke".

[tribe of light]

i think it would be beneficial to differentiate between store-bought 20 cigs/pack and pure tobacco in non-rolled form.

i know if your schizin' out a good dose of nicotine will calm u down and helps to "ground" an individual.

perhaps it would be a good idea to look into why native americans used tobacco for purposes of ceremony vs. the robotic way in which many people now consume store-bought cigarettes like zombies.

is the zombie consumption consciousness to be partially blamed for sickness aside from the detrimental effects of smoking cigarettes?

[nivosh]

I LOVE this forum and the people in it! :roll1::roll1::roll1:

Puff:smoke: Puff:smoke:

[Avid]

Er - no!!! I have COPD from mercury poisoning as a child - I've only just found this out! Pinks Disease (http://www.pinkdisease.org/) is due to mercury in teething powders in the late 40's/early 50's. I almost died.
However - the multiple vaccinations babies are now/or have been having lately contained mercury 'preservatives' - hence lots of autism, and very disturbed children.
It's best NOT to smoke if possible, but if you're ill with some nerve generative disease, a little oral 'medication' - not necessarily smoked - will probably be beneficial.
In years gone by, before the FDA 'Big Brother' clampdown, natural remedies included hemp oil - which eliminated cancers et al. The Big Pharma can't patent these things for profit, so hence the clampdowns...
Just like Monsanto and the senator wife of Monsanto 'clamping down' on organic farming/growing your own... a human right.
How sad does it get before WE ALL WAKE UP?

[Luminari]

I think smoking is a sign of low intelligence... sorry if anyone here is a smoker.

I dont even want to be friends with people who smoke I find it that repulsive.

I cant believe so many people still smoke... what do they get out of it?? They
look like fools, smell rancid, and waste alot of money and time which is even more precious.

Maybe I could understand if they were chocolate flavoured or something but they taste like ASS.

Slow-motion SUICIDE is all it is.

[Orion11]

I think smoking is a sign of low intelligence.

lol, tell that to Dr. Carl Sagan. :smoke: lol

[alyscat]

And my dad - who has COPD and congestive heart failure, and because of low oxygen to the brain, has symptoms of alzheimers.
And my mother who died of liver cancer in 2001 which was a secondary cancer. And smoked (and drank) all her life.

Just curious, Kathleen, how many of those people are still alive, and how many died an early death - ie, before, say 90... And how many have had health issues that can be traced to smoking.
alys

[Luminari]

lol, tell that to Dr. Carl Sagan. :smoke: lol

Ha! Sagan wasted all that time supposedly looking for alien life in the distant stars when they were here visiting the whole time, he could have gone into his backyard with a pair of binoculars and an open mind.. at the right time of course.

A great example of how a university education can make you less intelligent.

Ive read 'Cosmos' and watched his videos, I do have some respect for the guy, don't get me wrong.

[Luminari]

Kathleen you are obviously a smoker then. :naughty:

Do not be offended, I never said it was a 'fact' but it is 'my truth' based on the premise that anyone inhaling deadly gas into their body can't be that intelligent.

Maybe I should have said 'Wise' instead (or am I digging a bigger hole here).

OK SMOKERS YOU WIN, YOU ARE GENIUS'S LIKE EINSTEIN, FEEL BETTER NOW?

I hope you can get past my aversion to smokers and still be cyber-mates :wub2:

[Christo888]

Cool topic for a thread...

How about some interesting tid bits to add to the mix.

Opium is added to the paper which is a neurotransmitter and increases mental alertness, sharpness, and psychic openness.

Though taxing on the body to neutralize the toxins all the time, but think of it this way the body raises its threshold of tolerance of foreign invaders so it has an elevated 'on guard' (maybe an increased white blood cell count) attention in order to constantly rid the body of the toxins (though over time the toxins may win out if the person really lets there guard down). Compared to those who may not have as much toxins to get rid of- the body may get lazy or not be on as high of an alert to foreign invaders hence non-smokers may get sick easier because they don’t have elevated thresholds of immune response.

Of course of those that quit smoking the biggest complaint is that they can't think or focus anymore... so could they if they just added neurotransmitter supplements until the brain began to produce them again normally, IF the right kind of neurotransmitters are available?

Shamans use psychotropic’s from the Rain Forest and the are able to communicate with the other dimensions and actually get the answers to their questions through this method virtually anytime they want. It is the neurotransmitters that help them see differently but on a much higher potency level as that of opium or nicotine effects. Hence, why our history is full of pretty much every culture having peace pipe ceremonies’ involving smoking some form of tobacco or plant leaf (of course not corporately tainted)!

Besides, every single plant on this planet is made out of sunlight converted into sugar proteins which have been converted thus by the chaotic process of photosynthesis- how do you think plants grow!

So smoking 'plants' is smoking the Sun... sugar. And ya, too much of a good thing is never enough but smoking toxic substance manufactured by corporations is probably not a good idea. Many of the natural cigarette company’s were bought up by the bigger corporate tobacco companies.

I have a big question... why is there such a powerful attraction, draw, addiction to smoking and the human body? Is it just simply a stupid bad habit or is there some other benefit from smoking that tobacco companies know about in order to attract/create smokers but they don't want anyone to know what that attraction is (I am not speaking of the addictive nature part of it) because they want you to have to buy cigs of course?

[Christo888]

Kathleen you are obviously a smoker then. :naughty:

Do not be offended, I never said it was a 'fact' but it is 'my truth' based on the premise that anyone inhaling deadly gas into their body can't be that intelligent.

Maybe I should have said 'Wise' instead (or am I digging a bigger hole here).

OK SMOKERS YOU WIN, YOU ARE GENIUS'S LIKE EINSTEIN, FEEL BETTER NOW?

I hope you can get past my aversion to smokers and still be cyber-mates :wub2:



OK Luminari you are the perfect one to ask this... what 'chord' in you is struck when you encounter a smoker or see it?

[THE eXchanger]

THE SMOKING BREATH,
is actually; the re-birthing breath

and, believe it, or NOT,

some people, the only time, they breathe properly
is, when they are smoking

personally, i think, people who do smoke,
do so, as, it helps them process things

on the topic of natives, and, smoke
the peace pipe is a simple type of ritual
a transportable alter, so-to-speak,
here's some info: (instead of typing a bunch of stuff)
this link summarises things/and, looks pretty complete

http://www.think-aboutit.com/native/peace_pipe_ceremony.htm

[Dantheman62]

Old cigarette commercials, LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86lYG1V2-n4

How about smoking while water skiing, LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCRakl0dbK0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B3g80Q03t8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArDFVEikL8k&feature=related

Marlboro commercial with George Harrison and John Lennon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRnC6rz7Z0c&feature=related

[Swanny]

I think smoking is a sign of low intelligence... sorry if anyone here is a smoker.

Strange idea :confused:
So if you smoke your stupid, but if you give up your intelligence level will rise. :smoke:
I smoke maybe one or two roll ups a month what does that make me??? Partially stupid or partially clever? :blink:

[Blisstasista]

that was ignorant.


Smokers:
Albert Einstein
Winston Churchill
Alfred Hitchcock
Thomas Edison
Alexander Graham Bell
Robert Oppenheimer
Edwin Hubble
Sigmund Freud


Thanks, Kathleen, but you forgot to put me on that list . . .:smoke:

[Luminari]

Strange idea :confused:
So if you smoke your stupid, but if you give up your intelligence level will rise. :smoke:
I smoke maybe one or two roll ups a month what does that make me??? Partially stupid or partially clever? :blink:

Ok Swanny I am human. We all have our little slight eccentricities.

Mine are a dislike for smokers, people that whistle (!) and anyone who calls me 'dude' or 'champ'.

I hope you can see this with understanding and humour.

[BROOK]

Does not matter if you like smoking or not....if it's good for you or not....
Luminari is 100% correct...

Cigarettes smell like a** :mfr_lol:

[Luminari]

OK Luminari you are the perfect one to ask this... what 'chord' in you is struck when you encounter a smoker or see it?

Im sorry im not sure what you mean christo

as a musician I tend to take the word chord literaly.

If you mean emotion.. isnt it clear from my existing posts on this thread?

peace

[BROOK]

Seriously...anyone who really believes cigarettes are good for you has got to be deluding themselves....:naughty:

Our body was not meant to be abused by such chemicals...God only knows what they put in the tobacco...:mfr_omg:

[Dantheman62]

Hey BROOK did you see my post above with old cigarette commercials?
They make it sound so good, LOL

[BROOK]

Yep..they make it sexie :naughty:

[Christo888]

Im sorry im not sure what you mean christo

as a musician I tend to take the word chord literaly.

If you mean emotion.. isnt it clear from my existing posts on this thread?

peace

A musician... awesome. Chord, note, tone, tuned-in.:original:

Yes... your posts are very clear, on que. I was just curious why you were so outspoken about it and what 'chord' it struck; an ex-smoker yourself perhaps.

[Swanny]

Hey what's wrong with whistlers???? :original:

[paul1972]

here's a shorted list with stuff found in a cigarette from the brand "Natural American Spirit" ( by using a Hulda Clark syncrometer):

Cadmium, Clorex, Arsenic, Retenone, Mercury, Platinum, Benzene, Nickel , Copper, Patulin, Aflatoxin, Dysprosium, Thulium, Malonic Acid.

If your body can't get rid of these toxics, obviously your body will get very sick in the long run.

Cancers are caused by a parasite and they like to settle in places like smokers lungs, so if you don't get rid of the parasites there's a big chance of getting cancer (according to Hulda Clark).

Use a Hulda Clark Zapper, Rife machine or MMS to kill the buggers and get rid of toxins in your body and you'll be fine..

[Luminari]

A musician... awesome. Chord, note, tone, tuned-in.:original:

Yes... your posts are very clear, on que. I was just curious why you were so outspoken about it and what 'chord' it struck; an ex-smoker yourself perhaps.

Not an ex-smoker no, just someone who has to breathe the filth in passively.
If no one started a thread on smoking I would never have brought it up..
I dont want to continue this dialogue christo.. as fun as it is, all the smokers are ganging up on me :smoke: :sad:


Hey what's wrong with whistlers???? :original:

Here we go again...

I have people walk right past me several times a day whistling at work.. like their brains have fallen out the side of their heads and they are on retard-autopilot or something. :naughty: I dont understand it.. simple pleasures for simple people.

[Luminari]

I just held up a red-flag to all the whistling smokers out there...

help!

I'd better run, the whistlers are coming, thank goodness there's no sound on this forum!! :roll1:

[Luminari]

If I helped one smoker see their fashionable faux pas in a different light as a result of them reading this thread and causing them to become more healthy. :thumb_yello:

[Swanny]

I think it's great to hear a happy bloke whistling while he's working :thumb_yello:

[Dantheman62]

Just whistle while you work! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY3aljAO7qU&feature=related

[Swanny]

Whistle while you work Dads army style :thumb_yello:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ndvGw5sM6c&feature=related

[tone3jaguar]

Commercial Cigs are loaded with many unessesary un-natural chemical toxins. The additives are what kill people. If you smoke name brand cigs, you are freebasing things like potassium nitrate (ferterlizer), arsenic, and etc.

If you want to smoke without killing yourself, then you should get some organic tobacco, some filters, and a rolling machine.

[Christo888]

here's a shorted list with stuff found in a cigarette from the brand "Natural American Spirit" ( by using a Hulda Clark syncrometer):

Cadmium, Clorex, Arsenic, Retenone, Mercury, Platinum, Benzene, Nickel , Copper, Patulin, Aflatoxin, Dysprosium, Thulium, Malonic Acid.

If your body can't get rid of these toxics, obviously your body will get very sick in the long run.

Cancers are caused by a parasite and they like to settle in places like smokers lungs, so if you don't get rid of the parasites there's a big chance of getting cancer (according to Hulda Clark).

Use a Hulda Clark Zapper, Rife machine or MMS to kill the buggers and get rid of toxins in your body and you'll be fine..

A Hulda Clark fan. :thumb_yello: Maybe getting healthy isn't that hard, seems more like; does one believe it could be that simple!!!

The food supply and water may not be any safer than cigarettes. Tap water (the chemicals in it) will turn your mind into that sheep mentality, shrink your organs, and plug up (grease and gums accumulation) your 'lymph' and kidneys.

Crazy world... how many people get sick who've never smoked compared to just smokers getting sick... from anything?

How many people die in hospitals or under the care of doctors because they prescribed the wrong
presription etc., or get a staff infection which is now in epidemic proportions throughout hospitals nationwide.

Even Jim Humble in his ebook about MMS stated that Heart Attacks are simply from a Vit. C deficiency. Each cig. uses up 100 mg of vit. C, so a smoker could have a heart attack if they don't intake enough Vit. C.

Does smoking cause heart attacks? No! But a lack of Vit. C does. Wow, that opens up a huge debate.

Is smoking good for you I doubt it.

[freespirit]

Some people smoke all they lives and then die of old age.My grandmother has made it to the ripe old age of roundabout 90 on silk cut and brandy.

[oldpaganfreak]

Commercial Cigs are loaded with many unessesary un-natural chemical toxins. The additives are what kill people. If you smoke name brand cigs, you are freebasing things like potassium nitrate (ferterlizer), arsenic, and etc.

If you want to smoke without killing yourself, then you should get some organic tobacco, some filters, and a rolling machine.

tobacco is really easy to grow, even in northern climates. i live in northern alberta, canada and grow tobacco in my garden.

you can grow it and smoke it, but you can't sell it or give it away. that's when the tax department get involved.

havana and iranian tobacco seeds can be had from:
www. prseeds.ca

[voltron]

2 more smokers not mentioned are Edgar Cayce and the head of the Rama Krishna movement. I also know personally a yoga meditation instructer who smokes Camels. I have been going to his retreats for 20 years or more. He has got to be older than me. Yet he sounds healthy. And acts young, still writes books, etc. I am 68 years old. I do not smoke at work during the day. But I do smoke a cigarette or two in the morning and when I get home. As mentioned before in this thread, I DO think it makes me concentrate more.
P.S. I always pray that God will shine his everyloving light on me and keep me healthy. I always take an annual physical and have never been in a hospital.
P.P.S. I also drink several cups of coffee per day.
God Bless You All.

[voltron]

Prevention Magazine did a world wide survey of people who lived to be over one hundred years old. one of them was an old man who drank hot black coffee and smoked cigarettes all day. Diet had nothing to do with it. Most of these people hated doctors, worked at physical labor all day and had fun with life. The conclusion was that longivity is in your genes, and means more than anything else.

[Christo888]

Prevention Magazine did a world wide survey of people who lived to be over one hundred years old. one of them was an old man who drank hot black coffee and smoked cigarettes all day. Diet had nothing to do with it. Most of these people hated doctors, worked at physical labor all day and had fun with life. The conclusion was that longivity is in your genes, and means more than anything else.

a well written prescription. :thumb_yello:

[NewParadigmGuy]

Prevention Magazine did a world wide survey of people who lived to be over one hundred years old. one of them was an old man who drank hot black coffee and smoked cigarettes all day. Diet had nothing to do with it. Most of these people hated doctors, worked at physical labor all day and had fun with life. The conclusion was that longivity is in your genes, and means more than anything else.

I vaguely remember reading about a Japanese study that concluded that one thing long lived people around the world tend to have in common is drinking water sources that are very alkaline.

[Neo]

Bill Hicks on non smokers -

"I'd quit smoking today if I didn't think I'd become one of you".

“I have something to tell you non-smokers that I know for a fact that you don't know, and I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times. Ready?. . . ........... Non-smokers die every day".:lmao:

[Luminari]

Bill Hicks on non smokers -

"I'd quit smoking today if I didn't think I'd become one of you".

“I have something to tell you non-smokers that I know for a fact that you don't know, and I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times. Ready?. . . ........... Non-smokers die every day".:lmao:

Bill Hicks on Smoking (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9O1Cv7wudU)

Bill Hicks on non-smokers
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9ySCcnoo3c)

[sleepingnomore]

Anything has it's pros and cons. Smoking helps you to focus and concentrate. It's not so much the nicotine that's bad for you as the additives they put into the cigerettes to addict you. The heat from the smoke you inhale is detrimental to your respiratory system.

Don't buy all the hype by the government about the healthcare costs associated with smokers, it's higher for alcohics and drug addicts. If it came from a Government sponsored study the results are just as biased as if the results came from a tobacco industry sponsored study.

It's not recommended for good health but I don't buy that in moderation it's as bad for you as the campaigns they put out against it (especially if you're smoking pure tobacco).

Just something to think about.

[macrostheblack]

We are all different and one mans meat is another mans poison.

Now, by this i mean that we are all born with different strengths and weaknesses. For some, smoking actually helps them get through a tremendous personal problem. It can bolster one to continue focus upon a needed/desired goal.

Others may need another form of drug to get through.

What matters is not how it effects you for nearly everything here right now tarnishes the body in some form or another. Its about pre life choice and then enviroment you will be faced with. Some will find nicoteen suitable to assist in carrying them through their journey. Others will drink/eat/shrink/OCD/mental illness etc.

We all come here to help our development, our need to assist the earth, our need to help others learn from our mistakes. Sometimes someone has to make the gravest error in order to teach future generations and show them or scare them into the correct path.

All this is intertwined with us all in our development.

We make no mistakes in our lifes - only present new avenues to walk down which ultimatley help others.