Shhhh......

[Lorien]

The artist is portraying the sadness and irony in the fact that this mindset is what the majority of people believe. It is a satirical piece meant to show the absurdity of this reality, and not meant to "spread hate" or any such thing.

http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs45/f/2009/113/c/8/Anti_Semitism_by_Latuff2.jpg

[Orion11]

thats fkd up
and one million percent unproductive.

might as well find one for every country whos ever blown anyone up.

quit hating
and spreading hate.
wtf man?

cr@p

[Lorien]

Wasn't meant to spread hate. The artist was portraying the sadness and irony in the fact that that mindset is what the majority of people believe. I thought that was obvious, though I guess I should have explained it more. It is a satirical piece meant to show the absurdity of this reality.

[Humble Janitor]

What I want to know is why the pro-Israel folks feel the need to constantly put on a charade at universities to defend themselves? They must obviously know that the Israel government is full of **** so they always have to defend themselves.

[BROOK]

thats fkd up
and one million percent unproductive.

might as well find one for every country whos ever blown anyone up.

quit hating
and spreading hate.
wtf man?

cr@p

I feel the same way..very unproductive...if you feel the need to express the sadness of a situation...come up with a SOLUTION...one that is
productive.

Very soon the time will come when (God willing) we will not have to worry about borders or religion, murder hate and fear.
Sharing, caring and giving will be the popular pastime :thumb_yello:
Love of mankind :wub2:

[Zeddo]

...

[Carol]

This is yet another thread that does not belong on the Avalon Forum. It will be moved to off topic.

[Agape]

The most we need peace..and to pursue knowledge..human beings are complicate enough to amuze themselves various ways.
But also can behave very stupid...so never know how ones words will be understood.

Not all yet live in a 'good word', there's still lots of poverty, untreated diseases and unhealed suffering, people in their 40th who don't know how to read and write,
there are NASA labs in one corner of the world and pygmies in another.

It's a complicate world with unresolved issues between our forefathers, whose origin we already forgot.

It's not easy to fight your prejudice and what about mine ..:wub2:

When it's Quiet..we understand ourselves little More . So then after we meet each other again, there's more understanding..

[Agape]

And the sadness is why..because you remember the darkness and sadness of destruction, the catastrophes again are typed to our biological memory.

But the destruction does not have to happen, the world can continue in peace as it does so that peeople can go and keep solving their own issues.

Don't put any energy to the 'apocalyptic scenario' , use your strenght to keep the world going fair way..

:cup::trumpet:

[Lorien]

What I want to know is why the pro-Israel folks feel the need to constantly put on a charade at universities to defend themselves? They must obviously know that the Israel government is full of **** so they always have to defend themselves.

Thank you for seeing this for what it is Humble.

I am well aware of the fact we have to solve all these issues and spread love and understanding, but we can't solve problems without first understanding what they are and why they are present.

The reality is that there are many groups, and in some cases entire nations that are taught to think a certain way, like Israeli Extremists. No matter what they do to people they see no wrong in it. Hell, even here in the U.S. we(not me) watch our soldiers on the TV killing innocent Iraqi's and say it's all in the interest of spreading freedom.

What's worse is that most often these extremists are driven by the idea that their religion tells them they have this right and should do these things, which is never the case. They are spoon fed the information in a way that doctrinates them into a life of hate and violence, when the truth of the matter is that the core message of all beliefs is unconditional and godlike love for everyone and every thing.

[BROOK]

Seeing it for what is is....we here are all aware of the atrocities in this world...this forum was built for the purpose of overcoming such atrocities

So my question to you Lorien is....now that you've made us aware of what you feel ....what would your solution be? Do you have an idea how to overcome such sadness? Or is spreading the word of such sadness all you feel necessary?
Surly you must have an opinion on how to overcome something you feel so sure about...or should we just keep the chain going and keep name calling in the interest of bringing attention with no solution?

[BROOK]

In other words...would it not be better to be part of the solution
Then part of the problem :thumb_yello:

[Orion11]

:wub2:

[oldpaganfreak]

Thank you for seeing this for what it is Humble.

I am well aware of the fact we have to solve all these issues and spread love and understanding, but we can't solve problems without first understanding what they are and why they are present.

The reality is that there are many groups, and in some cases entire nations that are taught to think a certain way, like Israeli Extremists. No matter what they do to people they see no wrong in it. Hell, even here in the U.S. we(not me) watch our soldiers on the TV killing innocent Iraqi's and say it's all in the interest of spreading freedom.

What's worse is that most often these extremists are driven by the idea that their religion tells them they have this right and should do these things, which is never the case. They are spoon fed the information in a way that doctrinates them into a life of hate and violence, when the truth of the matter is that the core message of all beliefs is unconditional and godlike love for everyone and every thing.


i agree.this cartoon is even more relevant this week. the fact that the u.s. and canada boycotted the conference in durban makes it more relvant.
ahmadajad's address SHOULD have been heard. it seems that if we don't hear it it can't be true. i am not antisemetic, but i am definitely anti zionist!

here's the text of his speech, which our leaders refused to listen to.
check it out. it contains truth, and nothing anti-semetic.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=92046

[Dantheman62]

iiiit

[BROOK]

iiiit

http://jeremy.zawodny.com/i/question_mark.jpg

[BROOK]

i agree.this cartoon is even more relevant this week. the fact that the u.s. and canada boycotted the conference in durban makes it more relvant.
ahmadajad's address SHOULD have been heard. it seems that if we don't hear it it can't be true. i am not antisemetic, but i am definitely anti zionist!

here's the text of his speech, which our leaders refused to listen to.
check it out. it contains truth, and nothing anti-semetic.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=92046

And your solution is....?

[oldpaganfreak]

And your solution is....?

my solution, is listen to what the man has to say.open a dialogue with iran. keep an open mind. understand the the route to peace is not through war. have our leaders refuse to support the upcoming israeli attack of iran.

we must understand that the greatest danger we face is to start more wars for oil. israel must not be allowed to attack iran and they MUST allow palestine to survive.

[oldpaganfreak]

btw....did you read ahmadinijad's speech?

[BROOK]

my solution, is listen to what the man has to say.open a dialogue with iran. keep an open mind. understand the the route to peace is not through war. have our leaders refuse to support the upcoming israeli attack of iran.

we must understand that the greatest danger we face is to start more wars for oil. israel must not be allowed to attack iran and they MUST allow palestine to survive.

Thank you...that is the direction we need...not just pictures of more hate...that is a solution...and one worth striving for....to simply post a hateful picture, and not provide a worthy solution..is pointless :thumbdown:
I agree with everything you have just said :thumb_yello:
And yes...I am aware of the situation, and where it is heading... very sad indeed :mfr_omg:

[BROOK]

btw....did you read ahmadinijad's speech?


to the point :thumb_yello:

[BROOK]

Political powers and agendas need to be DROPPED....Human rights need to be attended to....until that is addressed the situation will not be resolved. :nono:

[futureyes]

Thank you for seeing this for what it is Humble.

I am well aware of the fact we have to solve all these issues and spread love and understanding, but we can't solve problems without first understanding what they are and why they are present.

The reality is that there are many groups, and in some cases entire nations that are taught to think a certain way, like Israeli Extremists. No matter what they do to people they see no wrong in it. Hell, even here in the U.S. we(not me) watch our soldiers on the TV killing innocent Iraqi's and say it's all in the interest of spreading freedom.

What's worse is that most often these extremists are driven by the idea that their religion tells them they have this right and should do these things, which is never the case. They are spoon fed the information in a way that doctrinates them into a life of hate and violence, when the truth of the matter is that the core message of all beliefs is unconditional and godlike love for everyone and every thing.

i understand where you're coming from lorien ...

and no ... situations cannot be solved until there is some understanding thereof ...

and yet ... this world seems to be wedged into this place of the neverending task of understanding ... so much energy has been placed into understanding the beast ... the dark ... the problems ...

rather than ... the seeking of the beauty ... the light ... the solutions ...

we have been trying to understand the beast ... sometimes ad nauseam
... and how is this working for us ... we have wedged our minds into its darkness ... how can anything be seen in darkness ...

i believe it is time to turn on the light ... our light ... the light of this world ...

to be aware of what is ... but moreso ... we must begin to dissolve the stories ... the drama ... the illusion ... jump tracks ...

our ways of thinking ... writing ... speaking ... all our intentions ripple beyond our selves ... and into this world ... seldom do we realize the magnitude of our power ... if we did ... we would refrain from placing huge amounts of energy into thinking problems ... but rather ... feeling solutions ...

it doesn't take much ... to jump tracks ... it is a choice ... our choice ...

to remain within the stories and the drama of the beast ... or ...

jump to what can be ... what was meant to be ... how do we want our own lives and this world to look like ...

love is what switches us over ... intend it ... feel it ...

as if it is already done ...

the beast is gone ... beauty prevails ...

our thoughts ... words ... actions ... they ripple ... have great impact ... either way ...

we've tried one way ... mighty was our power as a society to fuel negativity ...

power is energy ... we can utilize it as we choose ... let's choose another way ... let's fuel the light this go round ... we have everything and then some assisting us now ...

let's jump tracks ...


:wub2:

[no caste]

The Middle East is a big cauldron of racism. On the one hand, everyone wants to exterminate the 'Other.' On the other, there's a lot of progress reversing the de-humanization, which occurs in collective racist head spaces.

Like Lorien, I don't think ignoring all the layers of facts is useful.

[Lorien]

Thank you...that is the direction we need...not just pictures of more hate...that is a solution...and one worth striving for....to simply post a hateful picture, and not provide a worthy solution..is pointless :thumbdown:
I agree with everything you have just said :thumb_yello:
And yes...I am aware of the situation, and where it is heading... very sad indeed :mfr_omg:


The cartoon is not hate oriented at all, or in any way anti-semitic. The purpose of posting it was to show how absurd it is that there are even people in the world that have this way of thinking. I made the incorrect assumption that most would be able to gather this without having to explain it.

As far as solutions? Before the corrupt governments and leaders of the world are gone, I fear there isn't much we can do.

However we can try to help these misguided souls find there way by showing them the truth. If you know someone of the Zionist, Islamic Extremist, or any other fanatical religious or government group, try to help them on the way to true spiritual awakening instead. Solutions start with bringing about change in one person, who can then do the same with someone else, and so on and so on.

I also think that major spiritual leaders of various faiths need to man(or woman) up and come out in swarms and denounce all the hatred and "killing in the name of" that is going on. Again, I think this starts with an individual follower who teaches others and forces their leaders to do this.

We can already see things such as this happening on small scales in religion and with military soldiers refusing orders. The goal is to get these people to see with their heart that these things are wrong and only detrimental to our race as a whole.

[rhythm]

The all that is created the

omniverses

and universes

the all that is is the

container

for all the above

the one mind

the all that is !!!!


just IS ............:original:

[BROOK]

i understand where you're coming from lorien ...

and no ... situations cannot be solved until there is some understanding thereof ...

and yet ... this world seems to be wedged into this place of the neverending task of understanding ... so much energy has been placed into understanding the beast ... the dark ... the problems ...

rather than ... the seeking of the beauty ... the light ... the solutions ...

we have been trying to understand the beast ... sometimes ad nauseam
... and how is this working for us ... we have wedged our minds into its darkness ... how can anything be seen in darkness ...

i believe it is time to turn on the light ... our light ... the light of this world ...

to be aware of what is ... but moreso ... we must begin to dissolve the stories ... the drama ... the illusion ... jump tracks ...

our ways of thinking ... writing ... speaking ... all our intentions ripple beyond our selves ... and into this world ... seldom do we realize the magnitude of our power ... if we did ... we would refrain from placing huge amounts of energy into thinking problems ... but rather ... feeling solutions ...

it doesn't take much ... to jump tracks ... it is a choice ... our choice ...

to remain within the stories and the drama of the beast ... or ...

jump to what can be ... what was meant to be ... how do we want our own lives and this world to look like ...

love is what switches us over ... intend it ... feel it ...

as if it is already done ...

the beast is gone ... beauty prevails ...

our thoughts ... words ... actions ... they ripple ... have great impact ... either way ...

we've tried one way ... mighty was our power as a society to fuel negativity ...

power is energy ... we can utilize it as we choose ... let's choose another way ... let's fuel the light this go round ... we have everything and then some assisting us now ...

let's jump tracks ...


:wub2:




:thumb_yello: :wub2: Love ya Futureyes :wub2:

[no caste]

The all that is created the

omniverses

and universes

the all that is is the

container

for all the above

the one mind

the all that is !!!!


just IS ............:original:

rhythm, amen :thumb_yello:

[BROOK]

iiiit

:mfr_lol: Dantheman is back :thumb_yello:

[recallone]

In order to solve a problem, the problem must first be clearly defined. We cannot trust the media to clearly define the problems, because they're controlled by the very forces that have created the problems to begin with. And what's actually going on, is pretty far removed from what they're telling us is going on. This cartoon is merely an example. Anybody remember the whole Georgia-Russia situation? What the media version was versus what was REALLY going on? Our opinions are molded to fit in with the plan of controlling a sheep-like population. Sorry, but I've got to call 'em as I see 'em, and anyone that thinks our government is looking out for us is sorely mistaken. Anyone who thinks their god is going to save them is sorely mistaken. So long as we look for the answers and the solutions as things to be obtained outside of ourselves, we'll continue to flop around in a paradigm that's been designed to instill division. Even here, where someone offers a simple cartoon that more accurately portrays the true nature of the problem - in an attempt to convey the truth, the desire to divide comes into the mix with words of admonishment for not offering the solution. C'mon people.

This idea that anybody is going to present themselves as the one who has the answer is part of the mindset that's keeping us enslaved. No ONE has the answer, until that ONE realizes that we are ALL ONE. The solution lies within the truth that we're all connected. The things that prevent us from realizing that connection and the solutions are multi-faceted and pervasive in our society. We have a programmed need to identify everything as right or wrong, good or evil, etc. Is it possible to reserve such judgments? Is it possible to reign in our massive egos? I'd like to think it is. In fact, I know it is. I don't find fault with someone trying to offer a different perspective. In fact, I applaud them.

If you already knew about the information, perspective, whatever - is it necessary to throw stones because you already knew it? What's the motivation behind wagging your finger at someone? To announce your alleged superiority? Are these ego-inflating responses, or is there a higher connection that's to be won by labeling? These questions don't necessarily require answers, by the way - just consideration. Even where people want to pat themselves on the back for being so well informed and "on the path of enlightenment", per se - the same processes that are used in organized religion and other organizations of control and manipulation are being used here. The solution is inside of you, not waiting to be found outside of you. If you want peace, BE PEACE. Please, stop berating those who share information because they're not offering the magic-bullet-solution. None of you are until you stop dividing and start uniting.

I wish you all peace.

[BROOK]

Well said :thumb_yello:

Point taken

[BROOK]

Recallone...I might like to add..when this thread started...there were no comments ..just a picture.....the comments were added later.....to inform ...great...to instigate..much different.
Again..be the solution...or be the problem....
When posting a picture of that nature....even though we here can get it....there must be a point ...otherwise..it the same as big media flashing us... :lol3: And we're suposed to just accept the picture without words.

[Lorien]

In order to solve a problem, the problem must first be clearly defined. We cannot trust the media to clearly define the problems, because they're controlled by the very forces that have created the problems to begin with. And what's actually going on, is pretty far removed from what they're telling us is going on. This cartoon is merely an example. Anybody remember the whole Georgia-Russia situation? What the media version was versus what was REALLY going on? Our opinions are molded to fit in with the plan of controlling a sheep-like population. Sorry, but I've got to call 'em as I see 'em, and anyone that thinks our government is looking out for us is sorely mistaken. Anyone who thinks their god is going to save them is sorely mistaken. So long as we look for the answers and the solutions as things to be obtained outside of ourselves, we'll continue to flop around in a paradigm that's been designed to instill division. Even here, where someone offers a simple cartoon that more accurately portrays the true nature of the problem - in an attempt to convey the truth, the desire to divide comes into the mix with words of admonishment for not offering the solution. C'mon people.

This idea that anybody is going to present themselves as the one who has the answer is part of the mindset that's keeping us enslaved. No ONE has the answer, until that ONE realizes that we are ALL ONE. The solution lies within the truth that we're all connected. The things that prevent us from realizing that connection and the solutions are multi-faceted and pervasive in our society. We have a programmed need to identify everything as right or wrong, good or evil, etc. Is it possible to reserve such judgments? Is it possible to reign in our massive egos? I'd like to think it is. In fact, I know it is. I don't find fault with someone trying to offer a different perspective. In fact, I applaud them.

If you already knew about the information, perspective, whatever - is it necessary to throw stones because you already knew it? What's the motivation behind wagging your finger at someone? To announce your alleged superiority? Are these ego-inflating responses, or is there a higher connection that's to be won by labeling? These questions don't necessarily require answers, by the way - just consideration. Even where people want to pat themselves on the back for being so well informed and "on the path of enlightenment", per se - the same processes that are used in organized religion and other organizations of control and manipulation are being used here. The solution is inside of you, not waiting to be found outside of you. If you want peace, BE PEACE. Please, stop berating those who share information because they're not offering the magic-bullet-solution. None of you are until you stop dividing and start uniting.

I wish you all peace.

Thank you for this. And you added so much to its meaning and purpose that I honestly didn't have the time to when I posted it.

Recallone...I might like to add..when this thread started...there were no comments ..just a picture.....the comments were added later.....to inform ...great...to instigate..much different.


Point taken. To be honest it was late at night, and I was a tad drunk. Came across the picture and just didn't have the time to type up what I wanted. I put it up assuming it would start some intellectual discussion and I could further my point in the morning. Much to my surprise and dismay I found my self being attacked for spreading hate :tears:

[BROOK]

I know...it's too bad it turned out that way....the forum is ultra senstive right now...energies are through the roof...next time..remember...a point would be nice :mfr_lol:

[BROOK]

BTW...Lorien....We Know now that you did not intend to spread hate :wub2:
Some of us here are so effected by the change in energy...that to see a picture of that nature...without a point...is like being stabbed in the heart :mfr_omg: We all want world peace...and human rights are of the utmost importance....:thumb_yello:
As Recallone said..we need to be the change :thumb_yello:


Orion11 has a heart of GOLD....and it struck him with a vengence.....but knowing
his nature...I'm sure he still loves you :wub2:

[judykott]

Originally Posted by futureyes View Post
i understand where you're coming from lorien ...

and no ... situations cannot be solved until there is some understanding thereof ...

and yet ... this world seems to be wedged into this place of the neverending task of understanding ... so much energy has been placed into understanding the beast ... the dark ... the problems ...

rather than ... the seeking of the beauty ... the light ... the solutions ...

we have been trying to understand the beast ... sometimes ad nauseam
... and how is this working for us ... we have wedged our minds into its darkness ... how can anything be seen in darkness ...

i believe it is time to turn on the light ... our light ... the light of this world ...

I feel this is so valid and well said.:thumb_yello:


Quotes from REcallone


In order to solve a problem, the problem must first be clearly defined. We cannot trust the media to clearly define the problems, because they're controlled by the very forces that have created the problems to begin with. And what's actually going on, is pretty far removed from what they're telling us is going on. This cartoon is merely an example. Anybody remember the whole Georgia-Russia situation? What the media version was versus what was REALLY going on? Our opinions are molded to fit in with the plan of controlling a sheep-like population. Sorry, but I've got to call 'em as I see 'em, and anyone that thinks our government is looking out for us is sorely mistaken. Anyone who thinks their god is going to save them is sorely mistaken. So long as we look for the answers and the solutions as things to be obtained outside of ourselves, we'll continue to flop around in a paradigm that's been designed to instill division. Even here, where someone offers a simple cartoon that more accurately portrays the true nature of the problem - in an attempt to convey the truth, the desire to divide comes into the mix with words of admonishment for not offering the solution. C'mon people.

This idea that anybody is going to present themselves as the one who has the answer is part of the mindset that's keeping us enslaved. No ONE has the answer, until that ONE realizes that we are ALL ONE. The solution lies within the truth that we're all connected. The things that prevent us from realizing that connection and the solutions are multi-faceted and pervasive in our society. We have a programmed need to identify everything as right or wrong, good or evil, etc. Is it possible to reserve such judgments? Is it possible to reign in our massive egos? I'd like to think it is. In fact, I know it is. I don't find fault with someone trying to offer a different perspective. In fact, I applaud them.

If you already knew about the information, perspective, whatever - is it necessary to throw stones because you already knew it? What's the motivation behind wagging your finger at someone? To announce your alleged superiority? Are these ego-inflating responses, or is there a higher connection that's to be won by labeling? These questions don't necessarily require answers, by the way - just consideration. Even where people want to pat themselves on the back for being so well informed and "on the path of enlightenment", per se - the same processes that are used in organized religion and other organizations of control and manipulation are being used here. The solution is inside of you, not waiting to be found outside of you. If you want peace, BE PEACE. Please, stop berating those who share information because they're not offering the magic-bullet-solution. None of you are until you stop dividing and start uniting.

I wish you all peace.

I also agree with what is being said here. Thank you, you saved me a lot of typing.:lol3: It seems as if one is wanting to go beyond duality one would not be always condemning someone for being "negative" that's still polarity. I want to allow for others to take the path they need to get to their truth, not mine. The path may have to take one through what would be deemed "negative"by some. All spiritual leaders I have read about have gone through a dark night of the soul and testing, so why would I not allow for each spark of the divine encased in a different human form the same respect and love. Often times for myself it has been the "darkness" that awakens me to the "light."

Fear may be not enough contrast for some and perhaps at times needs to go anger :mad3:for one to realize and feel, ah. There have been times when an opportunity for growth presented itself and I did not get it. It presented itself in another form, I did not get it. Then it presented itself like a sledge hammer accompanied by some anger on my part, and I got it, yeah.:thumb_yello: So I allow other's ,out there who at times may learn the way of the sledge hammer. :hammer::shocked:

My respect and love to all, for seeking and sharing your paths:wub2::groupwave:

[recallone]

Very true about the energy of late, Brook. I've been feeling it, seeing it in others, and trying my best to figure it out. I think the 'trying to figure it out' part is what's messing me up. Trying to figure it out is in a sense embracing the psychological time aspect of it instead of just honoring the NOW of it. It is what it is NOW, so be here now and roll with it, baby! My new mantra for the day, courtesy of Steve Winwood - roll with it, baby.

When I first read this thread and the responses, the first thing that came to mind was the thread about some British officer biting the head of a chicken or something (this was months ago, btw). Some people were really bent out of shape about it, but ultimately - who is in control of the way you feel? If something outside of you is influencing you to feel a certain way, are you still in control of your vibration or are you prey to your programming? And going even further with it, WHO put that programmed response in place and for WHAT reason? When you really start scrutinizing these details, it's hard not to acknowledge how deep the programming goes and how easy we're controlled by it. AND on so many different levels! Peeling away the layers of the onion....

Love and light, y'all.

[BROOK]

Well said Judy....now we are getting somewhere

I was thinking...wouldn't it be something if the whole world stopped what they were doing and just said...We are not going to take this anymore...ENOUGH....no more war.....no more hate...just a collective body of mankind standing in unity...against the rage of horror and atrocity....:thumb_yello:

We would be the change...and no one could stop us :thumb_yello:

[recallone]

Judykott, you touched on something that's HUGE. The polarity of it all.
You can't have good without evil. You can't have wrong without right. There are necessary opposites that illustrate the beauty (and tragedy) of this experience.

But you can't have a tug of war without the rope. Hmmmm.....
There's one to think about for a while. Could there be any more duality, polarity if we removed the contructs by which the ropes have been defined?

[BROOK]

Judykott, you touched on something that's HUGE. The polarity of it all.
You can't have good without evil. You can't have wrong without right. There are necessary opposites that illustrate the beauty (and tragedy) of this experience.

But you can't have a tug of war without the rope. Hmmmm.....
There's one to think about for a while. Could there be any more duality, polarity if we removed the contructs by which the ropes have been defined?

Huge indeed...ying....yang....:naughty:

Very ingenious.....constructs of the rope...hmmmm
You just made a good point :thumb_yello:

[judykott]

Whenever I find myself viewing someone else as being "negative" then I know I am not at peace, love, or a compassionate place. If we are all "one" than how can I complain about all the "others". If I can feel their anger, I can relate, yes I have had anger I understand. Does that mean I have to agree with their view, it is their view, I can view and feel as my awareness allows. I do not always allow for my awareness, so how would I expect anyone else to be in that place. For me to judge someone else as being negative , would be for be to be in a negative space myself. If something has upset me the best place to resolve the situation is to feel inside to why this upset me instead of looking outside to say someone else is being negative as the cause, it is the way I react to it is the cause.

If one does not hold the rope , it drops.

[Orion11]

thanks Brook, :wub2:

and sorry if that felt like an attack on you Lorien,
that wasnt my intention at all...

more like a crude observation....

someone posts an image of pure sadness, and says nothing but
"thought some of you would enjoy this"

just struck me as odd .... .. and rather confusing.

that kind of imagery alone brings very very negative feelings unto people.

and then when yer told. " hey, thought you might enjoy this!"..

it gets the best of me. lol

so, apologies for the negative feelings.. ( see what negative imagery can do?) lol

:wub2: to you.

[BROOK]

See Lorien....he has a heart of Gold :wub2:

[Zeddo]

So we need solutions do we?

How would this do: Place all governments on notice that they are about to be without a job as indeed they are paid by we the people for doing a job and we now expect results. What results do we expect? Here is the first, that the vatican hands over ALL of its hidden and secret books and that all such books worldwide are placed in a safe centrally accessible place where copies are made and distributed world wide, that the top scholars (scientists etc) from all countries are given the task to go through this literature and decipher their meaning and every day, the new findings would be posted on huge screens in all the cities and towns of the world. Scientists will be given all of the data that is currently hidden from the masses and made to work on what we know exists, that is anti-gravity, over-unity etc. These people will also publish their results on a daily/weekly basis showing us what we can expect.

Money is abolished forthwith. We all use our skills coupled with the new technology as stated above to maintain equilibrium of the needs for the comfortable survival for all humanity, designing machines to take over menial mind numbing labour whilst we look at re-vegetating our planet and start to clean it up. Without money there will be no crime.
We demand peace IMMEDIATELY and the trillions of dollars (dollars being the code used for "money per say") are put into these new projects. Desalination plants are built with this money where deserts will be watered and countries like Ethiopia etc can be watered, seeded and turned into food baskets.
We demand an IMMEDIATE end to pharma and its manipulation of health care, and all people are given the opportunity to be healthy. We develop cures instead of treatment and it be free to everyone.

We have small electric vehicles which will run of available over-unity technology and these will be free to all.
All of this is possible and it could start in 1 day if we as humanity decided to stand together as 1 and force the evil out into the light of day where they had to account for their actions.
However, what do we do, me included, is to sit here behind our screens and type frivolous cr*p, for the most part, and tear each other down.

For heaven’s sake, there are billions of us against probably hundreds of thousands of them who control us. Love, peace and forgiveness is surely stronger than hatred and manipulation?

The answer is that simple. We parade for peace and life, EN MASSE, ALL TOGETHER.

I know, I am just another psycho in the land of many, but I dare to have a dream............

Zedd

[BROOK]

Right on Zeddo :thumb_yello:

[Lorien]

Well said Judy....now we are getting somewhere

I was thinking...wouldn't it be something if the whole world stopped what they were doing and just said...We are not going to take this anymore...ENOUGH....no more war.....no more hate...just a collective body of mankind standing in unity...against the rage of horror and atrocity....:thumb_yello:

We would be the change...and no one could stop us :thumb_yello:

I think about this often Brook. And I don't think any one of us could ever truly imagine what we as a race could be capable of if we could all work together, teaching each other, helping each other, moving towards a common goal. Just think, if over the last thousand years all the energies that have been put into war, hatred, control, and all negative energies had been placed into good? I know that the world we live in would be far different. That is assuming we even lived here anymore?

I often think that ancient civilizations that were on our planet lived their lives this way and had these positive outcomes and left here either physically or spiritually.

As much as I don't want to see harm come to anyone or our planet, part of me hopes that all the negative energies/people will be cleansed from the planet and we can start anew, to build a singular conscious society with like minded goals. Free from the oppression of others, free from the distractions of work, money, and societies pre-conceived expectations, free from the hatred, violence, bigotry, and so many other things that strip us of our abilities to truly live our lives and truly discover who and what we are, instead of just existing on this plane.

[Orion11]

As much as I don't want to see harm come to anyone or our planet, part of me hopes that all the negative energies/people will be cleansed from the planet and we can start anew, to build a singular conscious society with like minded goals. Free from the oppression of others, free from the distractions of work, money, and societies pre-conceived expectations, free from the hatred, violence, bigotry, and so many other things that strip us of our abilities to truly live our lives and truly discover who and what we are, instead of just existing on this plane.

me too man,
me too.

I struggle with that feeling(s)
(specially the bold text) often....

the more i ponder it...
the more i feel its a necessity tho.

part of me wishes that everyone will become conscious instead...
but the other part of me knows...
that wont be the case i dont think

[BROOK]

I don't know if anyone has taken notice but....
This thread started with a bang :mfr_omg: for sure tension was in the air.
But as a collective group we have turned it into a positive...with several good solutions :thumb_yello: Of course we have to figure out how to implement them..but the direction surly turned to one of solution :thumb_yello:
I'm proud to be a part of this group...and I know if we really wanted to, we could change the world...with a little more effort we probably really could do it...hmmmm
Be the change ...you want to see :wub2:

[Zeddo]

I don't know if anyone has taken notice but....
This thread started with a bang :mfr_omg: for sure tension was in the air.
But as a collective group we have turned it into a positive...with several good solutions :thumb_yello: Of course we have to figure out how to implement them..but the direction surly turned to one of solution :thumb_yello:
I'm proud to be a part of this group...and I know if we really wanted to, we could change the world...with a little more effort we probably really could do it...hmmmm
Be the change ...you want to see :wub2:


I am sure we could do it Brook and all other Avalon members. We have the people in the meditation group going at it, pehaps that is to set the ground work for the change. What if, based on that undercurrent of positive energy that is pushed out every Saturday/Sunday (depending on location) we tapped in on the more pphysical plane and started pushing for a specific day and time when EVERYONE world wide joined hands and walked into the streets as one demanding the change. How awesome would that be. If anyone is seen wearing balaclavas or carrying signs, they are sent packing. If anyone starts nonsense, the crowd can deliver them to the police openly.

It would be a rally for peace and full disclosure and the people must be prepared to stand fast untill the goods are delivered. That is, the secret files are brought out, the wars stopped and those that have caused the chaos made to come forward and apologise publicly. Personally, I don't want them shot even if they deserve it. They just have to "fess-up" as the Americans say and admit to all the technology that exists publicy, over world wide television and admit that these wars are a huge con for a power mad elite.

All it would take is everyone from every country to get up as one and take to the streets at the same time. No army can stop a true march for peace.

We have the power if it is done for Love and done for Peace and done for the good of ALL Humanity, regardless.

As a late great man said..."I have a dream...."

Love to All

Zeddo

[BROOK]

It's a great idea :thumb_yello:
The only thing...there would have to be a list of demands and an ultimatum given to the PTB....like forceable vote out..if demands are not met...that sort of thing...something to make them tremble in fear of losing their power...but then again their loss of total power is what we will have to demand.....hmmmm
Any thoughts on this?
Somehow we have to have some kind of our own power to make them put down their BIG guns...and stop the war machine...hmmm
Don't know exactically how we could do that?
I'm stumped on that one...
But yes the idea is starting to sound really good. :thumb_yello:

[BROOK]

The only kind of peacful power we could exercise is to STOP working for their Machine....like a sick out...globel mass strike..no one to do their dirty work for them....in the interest of peace ...hmmm just a thought :wink2:
For example...not going to work for at least a week...if enough would participate...in the right job markets..it could cripple them...hmmmm

[Zeddo]

I am working on just such a document Brook. It will probably be naive in the extreme, laughable to most but there are enough people out there with advanced intelligence who will know how to put the ideas into a working document.

Z

[BROOK]

I am working on just such a document Brook. It will probably be naive in the extreme, laughable to most but there are enough people out there with advanced intelligence who will know how to put the ideas into a working document.

Z

Care to share?
it seems they need their "worker bees" and without them...they would be powerless...:naughty: As you said before...there are many of us...and few of them...if we choose not to work for them....but for ourselves..and to strive for peace and only peace...not accepting anything other then peace...we might be effective.

[Zeddo]

Hi Brook

As soonas I polish the first draft, as suggested, I will post it here. Perhaps a new thread, or not?

Blessings

Z

[oldpaganfreak]

Hi Brook

As soonas I polish the first draft, as suggested, I will post it here. Perhaps a new thread, or not?

Blessings

Z

my suggestion is a new thread, starting on a positive note.

[BROOK]

Yep...a new thread :thumb_yello: I read the rough draft...not too bad....some polishing is all...
Heading into a new territory ....one of....Being the change :thumb_yello:

[BROOK]

Imagine the whole world standing up and saying...we're not going to take your wars anymore :thumb_yello:
We are not going to go hungry...there is plenty of food share it!
It's ours..and we should not go hungry...it's not for you to say who gets the food and who does not...:thumb_yello:
We're not going to spend anymore money on foolish war machines...we are going to inrich the lives of humanity :thumb_yello: And oh yes..full disclosure of UFO and ET activity
What a dream :naughty:
Anybody care to add to the dream?

[Orion11]

I imagine that every day and every night Brook. :)

and i would love to add to the dream, shortly after i get some food in me belly. lol

:wub2:

[oldpaganfreak]

I imagine that every day and every night Brook. :)

and i would love to add to the dream, shortly after i get some food in me belly. lol

:wub2:


of course. after all, even revolutionary armies travel on their stomachs!:wink2:

[recallone]

Wonderful suggestions, all. The first, most obvious obstacle in this plan is the fact that the majority of the population is woefully misinformed. Not only are they misinformed, but they're allowing their energy to be directed into concepts that are designed to limit and lessen, such as the concept of a God outside of themselves. Limited in their sense of entitlement, because of their family, who they know, their ideas of being God's chosen ones, and so on. There are so many angles by which the control and division has been implemented that a simple decision made by those who do see through the lies to act doesn't seem to me to be even plausible.

Please don't misunderstand me - I'm not trying to be a wet blanket, here - but a voice of logical reason. Something of that magnitude requires a level of awareness that simply is not present at the moment. How many people CAN'T you talk to about all of this stuff? Probably most of the people you know. They don't want to hear it. They'd rather lie to themselves and believe that jet fuel brought down the towers, or that an invisible jet crashed into the pentagon. These lies are easier to face than the horror of the truth. Even as this swine flu bears down on us, people are reluctant to scrutinize the legislation that was passed to excuse anthrax vaccine manufacturers from legal responsibility or how Baxter sent live Avian flu to 18 different countries (http://www.naturalnews.com/025760.html) - without the possibility of it being an accident...
Was the viral contamination intentional?
The shocking answer is that this couldn't have been an accident. Why? Because Baxter International adheres to something called BSL3 (Biosafety Level 3) - a set of laboratory safety protocols that prevent the cross-contamination of materials.
...who's being held accountable for it? Nobody.

Anything that has the ability to raise eyebrows is quickly swept under the rug and attention is deliberately refocused on bull$hit television programming. The PTB have trillions invested in their plan for the continuity of government. They've been planning for a very long time how to survive and maintain the power structure as we approach 2012. All this information about the Mayan calendar may be new information for the population at large, but its old hat for those in control. It's been suppressed and horded for the same reasons technology has - control. At this point, I wouldn't even want to guess how far behind we are. A couple hundred years, perhaps? So, while this idea of us all taking to the streets peacefully and expecting disclosure from our illustrious leaders sounds and feels good - I don't see it as even remotely practical. If there's a detail or two that I'm overlooking in my assessment, please please please point it out to me. I'd like to be wrong on this one, too.

[BROOK]

As far as the masses being enlightened....well remember the movie with the baseball field....
IF you build it ...they will come....the energy is ripe for an awakening...and I truly believe that if we build it...they will wake up :thumb_yello:

[recallone]

I like that idea, Brook.
The 100th monkey idea is something that's encouraging to consider too. As we become more and more in tune with our relationship to the world and each other, tearing down the walls that have been built up to divide us, we reclaim our inherent abilities and lead the way for others to follow. Be the change you wish to see. If we expect those in power to change their energy and focus, we must first make the change within ourselves. Others will follow suit. Eventually, it will be an inevitable finish line for even those who would otherwise be considered 'lost'.

[Zeddo]

my suggestion is a new thread, starting on a positive note.

Good point. It will be called "We the People have a dream".

Look for it tomorrow (Tuesday), I doubt that I will have it ready today. I've been hammering away but there is a lot to do still.

Z

:cup:

[futureyes]

there exists … an override switch …
we cannot see it … it is within us …
but we can feel it … to know it exists …
once flipped … it can override what is …
the density of the dark …
can be dissolved …
balance of energies brought forth …
once again … neutralized …

on this 3d plane … we see things as being enormous at times …
and our selves … very small …
fear can allow things to look larger than life …
allowing our selves … to feel helpless … and powerless …

our earth … we see it to be massive …
once we flip our override switches …
this world suddenly fits within our hands …
and we come to understand … and know …
how something that fits within the palm of our hands …
can be changed …
effortlessly …

we have this power … within each and every one of us …
it DOES exist … it always has … we have forgotten …

beneficial for us all to locate these switches within us …
flip them …
override all the drama … the stories … the density of what currently is …
weighing on this world …
causing so many … and mother earth … such pain and sadness …

to be aware of what is … but not allow what is … to consume us …
with fear …

we all have an override switch … about time we locate it …
these switches are our truth …
truth of who we really are … and what we are capable of transmuting …
dissolving what no longer serves purpose in our lives …
and what we are capable of creating …
a new way …
one of love … no longer of fear …

i believe many of us are coming to know we have an override switch within us …
and are coming to know … we can override ANYTHING … matters not what it is …
override switches are comprised of pure intention … wired into our truth … and the greater good of all …
the greater benefit of humanity …

love is the energy that flows to and from our override switches …
to transmute … what is … to what is meant to be …

switching our own selves … from the density of fear … to our truth of love …

i am having a challenging time articulating what i feel …
what i have always felt and known …
that we have this enormous power within us … to change how we presently live …
to how we want to live …

we have within us … the capability … to effortlessly say … no more … we are done with how things are … and dissolve the old ways … the ways of fear and manipulation …

we have the power within us … to say hey … we choose to live in freedom of authenticity … to live in love …

this isn’t airy fairy … it is our universal given power of truth … to live how we feel to live … and to execute our intentions in such way … that we dissolve the density of negativity … and create … what we feel to be a truer … life experience …

brook got me going to write this … her truth … if we all just stand up and say … no more … enough is enough … just imagine what could be …

but first … we must trust that individually … we can hold this world within the palm of our hands … and heal it … how can it not be so …

i know it can … i feel the way things are … make absolutely no sense … from an observer looking onto this planet … how bound by fear we actually are … it makes no logic of the mind and certainly doesn’t resonate within the heart …

but from our place of fear … we can’t for some reason feel this … we need to take a step back and observe … externally … this doesn’t make any sense …

then internally … flip our override switch … go over and above what is taking place now … and know … it can be dissolved … we have the power to do so … and feel … how effortlessly it really can be to accomplish …

it comes from within … individually raising our own vibration … and collectively … raising the vibration of this world … exponentially …

can’t really explain what i feel … only know what can be ...

we are the change ... it can only be us ...

we are not helpless creatures that are here to only exist within the parameters of fear ...

we are powerful beings of light and love ... living this experience such as we want to live it ... within ... infinite freedom of truth ...

we are power of truth ... we can create internally ... how we wish to experience this life externally ...

went way off on a tangent here ... :shocked:

:wub2:

[BROOK]

This is becoming a thing of beauty :thumb_yello: I vote we make it happen :wub2:

And Futureyes....you hit the nail on the head girl :thumb_yello:

[BROOK]

I like that idea, Brook.
The 100th monkey idea is something that's encouraging to consider too. As we become more and more in tune with our relationship to the world and each other, tearing down the walls that have been built up to divide us, we reclaim our inherent abilities and lead the way for others to follow. Be the change you wish to see. If we expect those in power to change their energy and focus, we must first make the change within ourselves. Others will follow suit. Eventually, it will be an inevitable finish line for even those who would otherwise be considered 'lost'.
You've got it :thumb_yello: we just have to make it happen and truly become the change we want to see....believe me...even the soulders fighting will lay down their guns for the right reason...I believe it will hit them like a ton of bricks :thumb_yello:
I also believe we might get a little help from our celestial visitors if they see the pattern..and the change...the energy will reflect it :thumb_yello:

[BROOK]

Good point. It will be called "We the People have a dream".

Look for it tomorrow (Tuesday), I doubt that I will have it ready today. I've been hammering away but there is a lot to do still.

Z

:cup:

Can't wait..this will be a full on Avalon cummunity effort to bring peace to the world :thumb_yello:
:wub2::wub2::wub2:

[futureyes]

momentum of truth ... CAN and WILL dissolve all denseness of energy not in balance with all that is ...

energy of light and love ... powered by pure intention ... CAN and WILL restore harmony on this planet ... and create appropriate balance once more ...

we're here ... we can ... we will ...

:wub2:

[Agape]

The only kind of peacful power we could exercise is to STOP working for their Machine....like a sick out...globel mass strike..no one to do their dirty work for them....in the interest of peace ...hmmm just a thought :wink2:
For example...not going to work for at least a week...if enough would participate...in the right job markets..it could cripple them...hmmmm

It's just one Machine you may say and it's as pure as senseless, made filthy by long and unproper usage and people without clear mind insight to the situation.
It can work like a beautiful pattern, caleidoscop and orchestra, like an intelligent design whose each and every part is equally intelligent.

It should not be destroyed , its speed is irrelevant, it must be balanced, cleansed and harmonized from within itself.

Starting from where we are..

We need to remain as optimistic as we can afford facing the situation ?

[Anchor]

I made the incorrect assumption that most would be able to gather this without having to explain it.

Actually you did not. However, you cannot please all the people all the time :)

Apart from the off-topic move which I agree with - I think most people understand very clearly what you were doing. It is a good cartoon with a worthwhile message. It will only offend those who cannot grasp the larger perspective.

A..

[BROOK]

I know in my heart that we can do this with enough effort....and the rewards would be Peace and harmony....:thumb_yello:

Everyone here has the power to promote such an undertaking...Imagine being the architect of Peace...:thumb_yello:

I like that...let's call ourselves...

The Architects of Peace :thumb_yello:

[BROOK]

It's just one Machine you may say and it's as pure as senseless, made filthy by long and unproper usage and people without clear mind insight to the situation.
It can work like a beautiful pattern, caleidoscop and orchestra, like an intelligent design whose each and every part is equally intelligent.

It should not be destroyed , its speed is irrelevant, it must be balanced, cleansed and harmonized from within itself.

Starting from where we are..

We need to remain as optimistic as we can afford facing the situation ?

Our intent here is to change the situation...BE the change we want :wub2:

[Lorien]

It's funny because I was just having a conversation earlier with a girl who is a very devout christian. Which in and of itself is not a bad thing, be what she has been taught is horrific. In fact it's what most organized religion pushes, and that is faith in a higher being and not faith in yourself.

I told her that "god" and herself were one and the same, not separate. I was trying to explain to her that she can pray all she wants, but if she does not believe in her heart that SHE is the one that can manifest "miracles" and not Jesus, nothing she prays for will ever come true. She claimed that there was proof that prayer solved medical issues and other things, to which I told her that there were people who did not believe in Jesus, and who did not pray, but had similar results by their own means. Granted I'm sure there are some coincidences here and there where subconsciously she/others have manifested things, but rare is the case.

On a related note, I mentioned to recallone that Jesus could have done all the positive thinking he wanted, but if he just sat on his ass, nothing would have ever happened. As Ivan Stein points out, it is all about N being in harmonization. Having spiritual souls spread across the planet does nothing for us. Our energies need to be in sync and focused. I think the global meditations are a start but we are still in a minority. And to overcome the negative energies that are present, and most likely being amplified in numerous ways, we need to do more.

As important as positive thought/energy is, it is nothing without action. As Brook I believe said, "Be the change". Unfortunately to completely "be" something requires action. Especially in the haze filled delusion of a world we live in. And just like the "100th Monkey" we need to keep educating the sheep until a majority is in the know and can truly stand up to the PTB and push our planet in the proper direction.

Do you have to go out and try to change the world, no. But there are things we can all do. Every new person you meet, have a conversation with them and try to lead them on the path of enlightenment. Give them a link to something like a video or audio clip, a website, etc. Think of a few phrases/facts you can work into conversations to peak peoples interest so they ask more questions.

[futureyes]

lorien ... you write so well ... your words resonate with me ...

yes ... it is beneficial to enlighten people ... the greater amount of people awakened ... the higher this earth's vibration rises ... all about this shift's momentum ...

soon ... we won't even have to verbalize our truth ... we will simply BE our truth ... and others will pick up on our energy ... we'll more or less be igniters if you will ... igniting their own light within ... just by being in our presence ... our healing will be another's healing will be this earth's healing ... and ... our shift into the new ...

this is already occuring ...

and by "us" ... i mean those who are already awake and living their truth ... authentically ... in love ...

i can very much feel that once this momentum begins to pick up ... everything will begin to shift very rapidly ... there will be more focus on the new ... rather than the old ... the draw to what is real will be of great magnitude ...

:wub2:

[Lorien]

Thank you futureeyes. I enjoy reading your writings as well. :thumb_yello:

[246]

An interesting cartoon. The world should be made aware of Israel's atrocities. The Jewish people are good it's just the government that is evil. The West doesnt report on the Palestinian genocide. The Israeli "Berlin Wall" around the territories. Or for that matter America's atrocities. Everyone talks about fighting terrorism, but America has gone into every country in the world and screwed it up. The people around the world are not shocked and awed, They're shocked and horrified at America. And they wonder why there are terrorists fighting back. Again, it's not the American people. Huge amounts of money are spent to keep them unaware of what their gov. has been doing. Because they are such good people they would revolt if they knew.

There is no giant Muslim conspiracy to convert or kill everyone who isnt Muslim, though those people do exist. They just have experienced so much pain from America and Israel, they are just trying to fight back to give the West a taste of what America has done to them. The Muslims think they are trying to wake up the slumbering Western peoples. Unfortunately I think they are playing into the American plan to have a further excuse to keep up the atrocities back at the Muslim world. An excuse to control what Amercia doesn't control already. The best thing to do is stay informed and talk to everyone you know about what you know. Especially if you live in the West.

[BROOK]

246 Sad indeed this is...war has to stop :thumb_yello:

The truth will set us free...BTW 246 I was noticing your avatar...
What does it mean?

[Unified Serenity]

An interesting cartoon. The world should be made aware of Israel's atrocities. The Jewish people are good it's just the government that is evil. ...... An excuse to control what Amercia doesn't control already. The best thing to do is stay informed and talk to everyone you know about what you know. Especially if you live in the West.

If you read my post on "consepts"(not my spelling) of God" you will see that not all who claim to be Jews are. There is a counterfeit group in Israel and around the world who claim to be of Judah and are not. They are Kenites, they fulfill the negative side of prophecy, and they rule the banking world and are Illuminati. I know it's a long post, but don't be mislead by those who lay the blame for the problems of the world at the Jews feet.

Jesus / Yeshua said it publically who they were, and they killed him for it. I know some say Jesus / Yeshua never existed, I won't go into that issue here. I'm not a bible thumping christian, I'm a mystic who has studied ancient texts for years. There is a divine plan, and the nwo is going to happen, and only those not spiritually asleep will survive it.

This entire age is to grow / evolve spiritually and choose divine love or reject it.

blessings and peace to you all

[Brinty]

Man's inhumanity to man started with Cain and Abel. It won't go away over night or in one person's lifetime. It is something that has sadly become second nature to many in this day and age. Stress is a sure fire way to bring out the worst in "civilized" people - consider the increasing reports of road rage.

People have an inbuilt reaction when they feel they are being unjustly treated - retaliation. This retaliation can take many forms from something as minor as poking their tongue out by children, to physical injury by adults. Hot headed people can resort to extreme violence. Change will come about (if ever) very slowly.

Something I read some years ago in relation to new scientific theories, suggested that a radical new theory would be rejected outright by the majority of scientists. The theory might appeal to younger, newer scientists, and particularly to the public at large.

The old scientists would never accept the theory and go to their graves denying its possibility. Eventually, when all these old scientists had passed on, the theory became the subject of testing by the new and younger scientists and eventually was accepted as the "new" truth.

I'm suggesting that something similar could happen with the current state of the world. People who are currently locked into hate and retaliation mode will die off leaving the way open for the love and peace brigade to take control of our futures.

If we all think positive thoughts we may be able to hasten this outcome. Sadly, I won't be holding my breath waiting for that any day soon.

[futureyes]

Man's inhumanity to man started with Cain and Abel. It won't go away over night or in one person's lifetime. It is something that has sadly become second nature to many in this day and age. Stress is a sure fire way to bring out the worst in "civilized" people - consider the increasing reports of road rage.

People have an inbuilt reaction when they feel they are being unjustly treated - retaliation. This retaliation can take many forms from something as minor as poking their tongue out by children, to physical injury by adults. Hot headed people can resort to extreme violence. Change will come about (if ever) very slowly.

Something I read some years ago in relation to new scientific theories, suggested that a radical new theory would be rejected outright by the majority of scientists. The theory might appeal to younger, newer scientists, and particularly to the public at large.

The old scientists would never accept the theory and go to their graves denying its possibility. Eventually, when all these old scientists had passed on, the theory became the subject of testing by the new and younger scientists and eventually was accepted as the "new" truth.

I'm suggesting that something similar could happen with the current state of the world. People who are currently locked into hate and retaliation mode will die off leaving the way open for the love and peace brigade to take control of our futures.

If we all think positive thoughts we may be able to hasten this outcome. Sadly, I won't be holding my breath waiting for that any day soon.


not the first time i've read this suggestion brinty ... reluctant are we to think such ideas ... shy from it ... and yet ... we hope this current density of hate and retaliation dissolves ... i believe it will ... however it does ... feels to me like this might be the way ...

i have experienced what the energy of this earth may feel like when hate ... greed ... manipulation ... no longer exist ... it was like breathing fresh air i never would have imagined could be ... how light the energy was ... in comparison to how dark it is now ... i thought i knew what the overload of negative energy is currently ... how dense it actually is ... not until i felt the absence of it ... holy shoot ... i have no words ...


i know how big the mountain is ...

never say never though ... that mountain can and will be moved ... once it begins to slide over ... it could go pretty easily ... we just need to get it going ... this too ... can be done ... trust it so ... as if already done ... :original:

:wub2:

[BROOK]

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not the first time i've read this suggestion brinty ... reluctant are we to think such ideas ... shy from it ... and yet ... we hope this current density of hate and retaliation dissolves ... i believe it will ... however it does ... feels to me like this might be the way ...

i have experienced what the energy of this earth may feel like when hate ... greed ... manipulation ... no longer exist ... it was like breathing fresh air i never would have imagined could be ... how light the energy was ... in comparison to how dark it is now ... i thought i knew what the overload of negative energy is currently ... how dense it actually is ... not until i felt the absence of it ... holy shoot ... i have no words ...


i know how big the mountain is ...

never say never though ... that mountain can and will be moved ... once it begins to slide over ... it could go pretty easily ... we just need to get it going ... this too ... can be done ... trust it so ... as if already done ... :original:

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:thumb_yello: :wub2:

[Zeddo]

We need everybody to have the mantra "Light will prevail and it can be done".
:thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yell o::thumb_yello:
:trumpet:

[BROOK]

http://www.meditatepeace.com/sitelogo4.jpg

[BROOK]

I had a dream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbUtL_0vAJk

http://www.wwoz.org/files/all/images/articles/Martin_Luther_King_Jr__Pic.jpg

I have a dream all of humanity will live in Peace :wub2:

[burgundia]

If we all think positive thoughts we may be able to hasten this outcome. Sadly, I won't be holding my breath waiting for that any day soon.

But do we have any other choice but thinking positive?

[BROOK]

http://www.wagggsworld.org/shared/uploads/wysiwyg/Image/wagggs/issues/global%20action%20days/peaceday2007/WC-OC118.jpg

[BROOK]

http://www.positivevoid.co.uk/we%20demand%20world%20peace.JPG

[246]

246 Sad indeed this is...war has to stop :thumb_yello:

The truth will set us free...BTW 246 I was noticing your avatar...
What does it mean?


Hi! My avatar represents a sculpture I did of a spinning round-about. You can see a video of it at www.markholden.info. It's called The Whirl. It's about the eternal spiral as we evolve up or down from life to life, the whirling galaxy, the joy of play.

[Lorien]

All this discussion got me thinking last night...

And Zeddo, this was honestly thought up before I saw your post about your ultimatum to the NWO. Perhaps we can brainstorm together? It's like Voltron, the more we hook up together, the stronger we get right? But anyhoo...

I know earlier in the thread I said that even though action was needed, you didn't have to change the world. However perhaps that is really what we need. Maybe we need to cater not to individuals, or certain governments or religious groups, but all humans as a whole. And so I thought of.....

The Global Change Petition Project

A website would be started which basically sets some ground rules that we as inhabitants of planet earth want our leaders to abide by. After all, we all live on this planet and share it's resources. The goal is to pass the link to everyone you know, get them to sign it, and pass it on. As with any petition, the more the better.

The ultimate goal is to get such an obscene amount of "signatures" that they have no choice but to hear our voices. Once we have a certain number of people on board, we start to use that leverage to our advantage and stage worldwide protests, boycotts, etc. Imagine what would happen if for an entire month, millions of people boycotted Exxon Gas, or stopped watching a certain news channel, or showed up outside the White House and other nation capitols and demanded change? Imagine if millions of government workers worldwide just didn't go to work for a whole week?

Some items that would be on the list include but not limited to:

All wars and fighting over territories must stop

All "WMD's" must be disposed of.

All military and government decisions are placed in the hands of the people. A worldwide database is set up with sections for each country. Citizens log onto this database and vote on EVERY SINGLE DECISION being made that pertains to their country, or the world as a whole. This way the majority is actually heard.

All technologies for free energy currently "back shelved" must be released

All top secret projects and information must be released and the public made aware.

Any companies found to be polluting the environment are to be closed immediately, their company liquidated, and the monies distributed to the citizens of the country where their facilities are located.

All monetary systems are put back in control of the governments, and worldwide have equal value, based on gold, until a new way of economy can be agreed upon by all peoples.

Inflation does not exist. Why is it that as technology advances, making it easier and cheaper for things to be made, they cost more expensive?? If anything, goods and services should consistently go down in price.

ALL education is free. The only thing that dictates what school you go to is your IQ and the ability to maintain a certain GPA. Anyone who drops below a certain GPA for more than 2 consecutive semesters must then pay for college.

All educators will be paid PROPERLY and based upon their ability to actually TEACH the youth of our planet. They will be assessed every year, and students will be part of that assessment. If they are doing their job properly and effectively, they will be rewarded. If they aren't, they can find another job.

Students will be rewarded for doing well in school, starting with elementary(primary) school. If they learn from a young age that doing good in school actually pays off, they just might do it!

All rights are given back to individuals. You may do with your life/body what you wish, as long as you do not put anyone else in harms way.

That's all I could come up with for now. I look forward to seeing Zeddo's post and also look forward to comments on the idea as well.

[BROOK]

Hi! My avatar represents a sculpture I did of a spinning round-about. You can see a video of it at www.markholden.info (http://www.markholden.info). It's called The Whirl. It's about the eternal spiral as we evolve up or down from life to life, the whirling galaxy, the joy of play.

COOL :thumb_yello: It was hypnotizing me :shocked:

[BROOK]

All this discussion got me thinking last night...

And Zeddo, this was honestly thought up before I saw your post about your ultimatum to the NWO. Perhaps we can brainstorm together? It's like Voltron, the more we hook up together, the stronger we get right? But anyhoo...

I know earlier in the thread I said that even though action was needed, you didn't have to change the world. However perhaps that is really what we need. Maybe we need to cater not to individuals, or certain governments or religious groups, but all humans as a whole. And so I thought of.....

The Global Change Petition Project

A website would be started which basically sets some ground rules that we as inhabitants of planet earth want our leaders to abide by. After all, we all live on this planet and share it's resources. The goal is to pass the link to everyone you know, get them to sign it, and pass it on. As with any petition, the more the better.

The ultimate goal is to get such an obscene amount of "signatures" that they have no choice but to hear our voices. Once we have a certain number of people on board, we start to use that leverage to our advantage and stage worldwide protests, boycotts, etc. Imagine what would happen if for an entire month, millions of people boycotted Exxon Gas, or stopped watching a certain news channel, or showed up outside the White House and other nation capitols and demanded change? Imagine if millions of government workers worldwide just didn't go to work for a whole week?

Some items that would be on the list include but not limited to:

All wars and fighting over territories must stop

All "WMD's" must be disposed of.

All military and government decisions are placed in the hands of the people. A worldwide database is set up with sections for each country. Citizens log onto this database and vote on EVERY SINGLE DECISION being made that pertains to their country, or the world as a whole. This way the majority is actually heard.

All technologies for free energy currently "back shelved" must be released

All top secret projects and information must be released and the public made aware.

Any companies found to be polluting the environment are to be closed immediately, their company liquidated, and the monies distributed to the citizens of the country where their facilities are located.

All monetary systems are put back in control of the governments, and worldwide have equal value, based on gold, until a new way of economy can be agreed upon by all peoples.

Inflation does not exist. Why is it that as technology advances, making it easier and cheaper for things to be made, they cost more expensive?? If anything, goods and services should consistently go down in price.

ALL education is free. The only thing that dictates what school you go to is your IQ and the ability to maintain a certain GPA. Anyone who drops below a certain GPA for more than 2 consecutive semesters must then pay for college.

All educators will be paid PROPERLY and based upon their ability to actually TEACH the youth of our planet. They will be assessed every year, and students will be part of that assessment. If they are doing their job properly and effectively, they will be rewarded. If they aren't, they can find another job.

Students will be rewarded for doing well in school, starting with elementary(primary) school. If they learn from a young age that doing good in school actually pays off, they just might do it!

All rights are given back to individuals. You may do with your life/body what you wish, as long as you do not put anyone else in harms way.

That's all I could come up with for now. I look forward to seeing Zeddo's post and also look forward to comments on the idea as well.

Great ideas Lorien...you should see if you can move this to the thread...We the people that Zeddo started for it...love your ideas:wub2:

[Zeddo]

Hi Lorien and Brook (and All )

Not sure how you do multiple "quotes" in a single message !!!

Okay, I have posted the first draft to We The People...and there appear to be synchronistic thoughts. Some not too similar, probably just phrased differently, other really different.

Now I'm in a sweat!!! I guess that is what it is all about, exposing yourself to the forum and seeing where it goes!

Thanks for all the replies. Imoved it to a different thread so as not to seemingly hi-jack Lorien's good work which is what started this ball rolling.

Thanks for your kindnesses,

Love to All

Zeddo