Secrets of the Vatican

[orthodoxymoron]

I hesitated to begin this thread. I am torn. I want truth and goodness to triumph...yet achieving this is a very painful process. The history of our world is very sad and violent. No organization or country has escaped this brutal gang of facts. The history of the Vatican is a huge part of our history...and this includes all of us. There should be no angry finger pointing. The video which I am posting is critical...yet not hateful or vindictive. I am offended by the cartoons, photoshopped pictures of the Pope, hurtful internet comments, etc, etc. There should not be a hateful, superior, triumphalistic, or sing-song attitude manifested toward anyone or any organization.
This includes the Vatican.

Everyone should research the Vatican...whether they are religious or not. There are so many aspects of our historical and contemporary world which are interconnected with the Vatican. All roads lead to Rome. I'm not a Roman Catholic...and I never have been...but I have attended dozens of masses and concerts. I adore the art, architecture, and music...even the art and architechture with pagan aspects. I have been in many cathedrals...and I have been to the Vatican. It is truly impressive.
I have had very good luck with the Roman Catholics I have known and worked with...including priests and musicians. They are doing the best they can.

However, there is something which seems to torment the soul of the Roman Catholic Church. I fear that the heirarchy has to deal with unimaginable problems...which may include dealing with the devil himself(or herself). They may be caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. Does the Vatican mediate between Lucifer and the Human Race? Is it the Human Race vs the Underworld? We may be in more trouble than we think. Watch the following video with an open and non-judgmental mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD0ICimSmzc&feature=relatedYouTube - SECRETS OF THE VATICAN PART 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot7Gx_a6lnU&feature=relatedYouTube - SECRETS OF THE VATICAN PART 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2a9GRhKT-E&feature=relatedYouTube - SECRETS OF THE VATICAN PART 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxmhpjnh6GU&feature=relatedYouTube - SECRETS OF THE VATICAN PART 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvXZ-v1k8nY&feature=relatedYouTube - SECRETS OF THE VATICAN PART 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXFre4fMlVU&feature=relatedYouTube - SECRETS OF THE VATICAN PART 6

Now watch these videos...and ask yourself if there is a connection:

1. http://www.viddler.com/explore/kakhama/videos/2/
2. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8420071240361070544
3. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261#docid=45836303 79439989634

Connect the Dots. Respond Responsibly.

[orthodoxymoron]

OK...this is creepy. When I posted the links on this thread...they all worked fine. But 30 minutes later...part 5 didn't work...and a few minutes later part 3 quit working. The other parts worked fine. I noted this on the thread...and now they are all working...so I edited the post. Now you see 'em...now you don't. Yesterday...Part 1 of 'V' on Google didn't work while Part 2 did. Now they both work. The sequence is scrambled in both the YouTube and Google versions. I am sane...aren't I?

[777 The Great Work]

OK...this is creepy. I posted the links on this thread...and they all worked fine. But now...part 5 doesn't work at all...whether I use the link...or select it directly in YouTube. This happened within half an hour after beginning the thread. Did someone pull the plug?

They all work Ortho :thumb_yello:

[NewParadigmGuy]

Wow! This is spooky... :mfr_omg:

[orthodoxymoron]

Any thoughts or reaction to the video? Tell me what you think...positive or negative.

[orthodoxymoron]

Once again...I'm seeing very little interest in something which I think is extremely important. I'd like to discuss this in a rational and charitable manner. The better we deal with this sort of thing...the more willing the insiders will be to reveal more...and work toward resolving this mess...together as We the People of Earth.
Please take the time to consider these videos as a group...and tell me what you think.

[Jonathon]

Hi Brother Ortho - going through the videos now and will be happy to discuss them with you once I am done.

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you. I alternate between not wanting to think about this stuff at all...and wanting to really help solve this mess...and help the human race to move on to bigger and better things than war, starvation, financial crisis, meaninglessness, etc, etc. The solution...in retrospect...may be very, very simple...yet it may take thousands of years to recognize this answer to any significant degree...apply it globally...and rescue ourselves. Think about the Vatican, Tesla, Advanced Technology, Underground Bases and Cities, City States, Atlantis, Lemuria, Lucifer, the Nazis, and the New World Order. Then read what I have written below.
Then take a long walk...face yourself...and think long and hard.

[no caste]

I have had very good luck with the Roman Catholics I have known and worked with...including priests and musicians. They are doing the best they can.

I have too. ortho - You have a lot of assignments! I didn't watch the whole V thing you suggested, but I did jump into the voodoo pit just now to begin watching the first video on your list. I had to break, to post this - it was in the info section of the first video.

'The Maya's "Long Count" calendar marks the end of every 5126-year era. A previous cycle ended 13,363 years ago--*during the age of Leo*, at the same time when the Earth was struck by comets and asteroids.'

Remember? It came up in your Red Letter Church thread (and personally) for me.

peace

PS I am going to take some amulet, prayer protection, gargoyle maybe, by the sounds of this topic.

[mntruthseeker]

This is very important and I will give you my honest opinion and watching this tonight brings me the strength to do just that.

I was raised Roman Catholic and raised in a strict home with six sisters. I attended 9 years of private schooling and this whole experience ruined my life!

I was filled with remorse for sinning everyday of my life even though I didnt know this until recently.

When I first seen information regarding the vaticans hand in aiding the Nazi's that should of been punished and started reading up on paper clip and MK brainwashing...................I cried for three weeks. I was devastated with this and almost lost my husband because he thought I had finally cracked up. I know what it's like to be labeld schizzo ! I still have people rolling their eyes at me. I know now to keep things to myself in some instances. My husband comes to me with his little discoveries now and I just have to chuckle inside.

I will say that with all that I learned growing up wasn't all that bad as I was taught how to be kind and generous.

Still, you try to discredit these things because it's against all that you were taught and then you become furious of the lies and the way the nuns and priest made you feel guilty for so much. So many in my family have turned their backs on me thinking that I am surely going to hell now. They pity me and ask me not to contact them. It hurt at first, but now, I feel as if I am the strong one. I do not pity them as they pity me. I wish them the best and pray that they are able to talk to someone when it is their turn to "wake up". I hope they will come to me.

I had one man tell me............Good luck on your path and to say that I will not like what I find........Boy did he have that down.

I do believe in God, our creator and still I do believe in Jesus.....I come to think of him as a rebel as I now see Ron Paul, Dennis Kuchinvich, David Icke,Alex jones, John F Kennedy and Abraham LIncoln and so so many others.

All the whistleblowers on Camelot are getting the word out there as well. So so many are getting the word out.

I look back and wonder how the world could of been so blind and all the ones that still are.

I wonder if I hadn't moved in with the man I finally married 38 years ago if I would be on this site. Because he was Lutheran and was married before I left the church. I walked around loving him and damning myself for sinning and life could of been so much better without that "load of crappy guilt" I carried.

I am feeling pretty smug lately knowing that my whole life is changing and it's all for the better.............


Thank you for posting these videos as when I watched them this time, the only new thing was the part of -not eating fish on friday- was new to me. I played it three times and now laugh thinking boy I was dumb...................LOL

[orthodoxymoron]

Have you ever watched 'Brides of Christ'? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQgHCQh2sJE&feature=related If not...please do...it's really good...and made me cry. The human race has so much negative baggage. I don't hate anyone or any organization. I just want the human race to get out of the quicksand. This may take a long time...and a lot of pain. I think that eventually the human race will emerge with a highly ethical secular spirituality which will not involve church attendance, rituals, or hocus pocus of any kind. I believe that we survive our physical deaths...and simply get recycled...whether we are good or bad. This makes it all the more important that we create a better world to return to. This is our home.

[mntruthseeker]

Now that is not something I ever even heard of


I'm listening to William Cooper again that you had untop. I am actually picking up alot that I didnt the first time I heard him. My biggest surprise is how long it has been since this appeared for the very first time until today. so much wasted time.

I really appreciate you putting these up there to review.


I have all the faith in the world that WE WILL succeed and save the human race. Anyhow, whose to say this is the only way? The ET's are just as important as we are.

visit my friends site.................www.laurenzimmerman.com and read some of her blogs on The God Experience. You will see what I mean.

[DoctorWho]

Hardcore Catholic guilt is a bitch to undo the brainwashing on. I have a minor amount of Catholic guilt, but I don't let it mess with my life as it's mostly control mechanisms.
Bill "the Doctor"

[Jonathon]

OK got through it all. I'm a bit tired so may have to save more explanation for a later time.

Where to start...

1st off thank you so much for posting the "Jesus: The Last Pharaoh" links - really outstanding.

Let me say that I see a lot of truth in all of the information. Most of it isn't new to me - there are many other sources that corroborate and further enhance every bit of it. All roads do in fact lead to (and from) Rome. It doesn't take a large leap of faith to recognize that the Vatican is not and never was what it seemed. Ask yourself the simple question.... would an organization representing the deepest understanding and practice of biblical wisdom engage in the kinds of horrendous indiscretions that make up the historical Catholic rap sheet? Do these people look and act like good Christians?

The historical information clearly demonstrates that these ya-hoos are playing the biggest game of populace enslavement that this planet has ever seen... the examples are too numerous to cite. Theft and control of all information: Alexandria, Crusades, 3rd Reich Nazi plundering of Europe, North Africa along with the channeled technologies; 4th Reich Nazis - includes Ararat anomaly, sunken cities, plunder of Baghdad, reverse engineered technologies from alien craft/personnel; free energy - reference any number of scientists and inventors who were sacked and killed. Nikola Tesla had access to a microbe of this information and look what he was able to do. Add in mind control through disinformation, indoctrination and fear: religion, good and evil, witch hunts, the Inquisition, hell and damnation and externalization of sovereignty/messiahs. Political/financial control through blackmail, assassination, payola, secret organizations and clubs and any other kind of subterfuge known to man. And yes, let's add the pyramid scheme known as the Catholic tithe system whereby each church on the planet pays dues to the central authority... wonder how many billions that conjures up every year. Are they using a few billion of that to solve world famine (which could be done rather easily with that kind of change let me add)? Or are they engaging in "special secret projects" while paying simple lip service to the real ills of the world?

Illuminati = left arm. NWO = right arm. No doubt there are plenty of fingers, toes and butt cheeks in the mix, however only 1 head/brain fits the bill. Who could be the big mastermind? In the minds of the unconscious, what is the most absurd answer to this question, thus the last place anyone would look? Who is the richest, most powerful organization on earth - free of taxation, ridicule, prosecution... all under the guise of humble and faithful service to God and his children? Look no further than the Vatican. Knowledge is power. They control all of the knowledge.

As far as why? To what end? By what forces? Assume the worst... and it's probably not even close. However, in the end, all paths lead back to oneness. Each serves a purpose, no matter how devious and sinister their plans and intentions may be. You see the negativity in these truths and they inform you as to what you are and what you are not. Simply flow from that point... there isn't anything that you have to do other than what you feel compelled to do. We have all asked ourselves the same questions... many of us come up with a simple answer in the end. You cannot wake people up that aren't ready. In fact in some cases it may even be a violation of their free will. REF: LLRESEARCH - LINK1. (http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2009/2009_0314.aspx)
The only thing you have to do is work on yourself. You are a prism bringing forth light into wherever you are. Whatever you are feeling and going through has an impact on those around you and on the planet as a whole; therefore, you have an opportunity at every moment to make a difference... without having to do anything at all. (REF: LLRESARCH - LINK2 (http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2009/2009_0419.aspx)).

As an adjunct to the historical and spiritual subjects referenced by all of this information, I would encourage everyone to read the Law of One series - especially books 1-2. This was the information that tied everything together for me from all of the research I have done (spiritual, political, historical, conspiratorial) LLresearch (http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/transcripts_toc_year.aspx) is a continuation of this work and has hundreds of extremely valuable transcripts.

For anyone struggling with identity and purpose, I highly recommend works by Eckhart Tolle who is an excellent spiritual guide.

Sleepy time... Night all.

[no caste]

Whew - I got through most of it. Mostly I enjoy reading everyone's thoughtful comments here. The Vatican videos were another interesting overview. Nothing seemed to jolt me (not even the demonology bits). There does seem to be a relationship between sexual dysfunction/abuse/aberration and the world's power elites, and that's not new, and they can afford it; if 'Satan' gets things sexier with blood, death, whatnot, the whoop-dee-doo for weirdo secret societies - naturally, it is secret because it's probably criminal.

Maybe I'm tired, but I think the Big Energies (good & bad) are mostly people's collective emotional magnetism congealing around a story.

I liked Bill Cooper's talk, which seemed to sum up a lot of information about the secret UFO/ government thing. I found what looks to be similar text only here: http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/cooper.html Also, he was the guy, apparently, who came up with the word 'illuminati' in the antisemitic hoax, The Protocols of Elders of Zion. http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/cooper_m.html

Commander X looked a bit bogus to me - I tuned out. I've already seen Endgame. So, it seems like there's information, but we can't know it.

your fervent energy, orthodoxymoron! that's cool :thumb_yello:

[Ashatav]

Exelent, I will see that!

No Angry feelings! Just exposing what happens!

Cheers!

[orthodoxymoron]

Thanks for your comments.

Could the UFO/ET phenomenon be from within Earth...rather than from outer space? Could 'alien' technology be ancient human(or reptilian) knowledge? Could the city states...including the Vatican...be controlled from within Earth? Is much of the ET phenomenon really demonic in nature? Is Earth's crust riddled with tunnels, cities, and bases? Is nuclear weaponry, anti-gravity, free-energy, and other space-age technology really from the Vatican Library...and/or other ancient texts stored underground...rather than back engineered from outer-space UFO's? Is that giant Earth sculpture representative of what is really within Earth? Could many of the church atrocities have been ordered from within Earth...rather than by deranged power and money hungry surface humans? Is the true God of the Universe largely shut out of Earth...leaving surface humans to deal with powerful human and reptilian beings(both physical and spiritual) from within Earth? Is the Pope the Vicar of Lucifer...rather than the Vicar of Christ? Does the church or Pope have any real choice in the matter? Are we really dealing with basically good people...negotiating with and battling dark underground forces?

Am I a paranoid, neurotic, deluded wretch who is blaspheming God...and will be punished in the flames of hell...after the Jesuits get done with me? I'm sort of kidding...and sort of serious! I really mean well...and am trying to help...but there is the possibility that I am making things worse by raising these issues. My mind is not made up on any of these subjects...and probably never will be. I'm open to new information and re-evaluation.

[oldpaganfreak]

i'm a recovering catholic/born again pagan, myself. i'd love to comment on the videos, but, as usual, i can't watch them due to dialup. but, not much about the church could shock me.

[Luminous]

I watched this movie about a month ago:

http://www.bloodline-themovie.com/

It's about the Jesus and Mary conspiracy, but that's not the real value of this movie. What is important about it is the subtext-- what it doesn't quite say in so many words about the Vatican and who is really in power behind the scenes.

It talks about the Priory of Sion, and the PoS contact the filmmaker interviewed, Nick Haywood, gave me the chills.

And then the games that "they" played with the filmmakers, the merry chase they led them on-- it just all seemed so staged to me. And the question arises, Why play such a game, and for what reason would these things be "revealed" to these particular filmmakers and researchers? And Bruce Burgess, the filmmaker, had the good sense to ask those things, but didn't get a straight answer.

You can watch the film on the website, but failing that, you can get it through Netflix, like I did.

There's way more going on in the Vatican than we can even imagine.

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you for the link. I'm checking it out. The church seems to contain the best and the worst people in the world. There must be huge daily power struggles and debates within the church...behind closed doors. Have you former Catholics ever watched Pat Condell? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4mWiqkGy-Y&feature=PlayList&p=8395D0A894F4A22D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=8
He's a bitter ex-Catholic atheist! He's very rude and irreverent...yet he makes a lot of sense...and is very funny.

I keep worrying that the people in the history books or on the evening news are not calling the shots...and that non-humans may be telling the people and organizations we love to hate...what to do. If I were an elite with immense power, wealth, influence, etc...I would probably try to create heaven on earth...and run as clean and tight a ship as possible. No human sacrifices, no financing both sides in wars that I started, no crashing stock markets and ruining economies, no starvation, no satanic rituals, no atrocities, no environmental nightmares, no extermination, no enslavement, etc, etc, etc. I would try to get the people of the world to really like me...and bypass all the corrupt and destructive bs...while I continued to live in my seaside estate...drive my Enzo Ferrari, attend social functions, etc. I see some of the smartest people doing the most bizarre, corrupt, and destructive things imaginable. I like what I see and hear when NWO people are interviewed...yet I hate the NWO. Sometimes I think the NWO people hate the NWO too...but don't have a choice in the matter. Perhaps I am being too kind to these people...but I am sensing something very evil behind what I think are front men and errand boys. Is Lucifer calling the shots? Is Lucifer a little old lady reptilian/human hybrid from Atlantis? Think about it...a very, very smart...very, very evil...and very, very cruel being wearing a flowing cape and a jeweled crown...issuing orders both verbally and telepathically...while sitting on a throne in an underground cathedral more dazzling than St. Peter's. Could this being be playing God and Satan at the same time...to control and enslave humanity? Far-fetched? Probably...but I'm thinking in this direction at this time. That could change in 5 minutes. I'm in the speculation business. Unfortunately I'm wasting a lot of time...driving myself(and others?) insane...and making no money. How stupid is that?

[mntruthseeker]

so true so true Jonathon. I couldn't of put it better and unfortunately I found out the hard way. The cops came and called ambulance to commit me. They had my husband convinced that I would harm somebody and it's funny now, but not at the time......the first question they asked him was, did we have any guns in the house.............LOL

My husband actually convinced the hospital that I was ok and he would watch me and they let me go home. It took me a little time but I learned to shut my mouth.

I do not speak much in any of the forums, but I do read and comrehend alot. I am much more confident that my mind is good and I know more than most in my family

I am very thankful for all the info that has been put on this site, project camelot and many others.

I am convinced that our biggest problem in solving any of this will be the Christians.

[orthodoxymoron]

I guess I'm looking for the highest standards and practice of psychology, ethics, and spirituality...without all of the ritual religious baggage. I don't want to start another religion...a true one this time. I don't want to be a spiritually bankrupt atheist. I don't want to channel ancient...and supposedly superior...disembodied entities. I just want to go through life without hurting, killing, stealing from...or otherwise screwing my fellow humans. Then I would like to get recycled...if it's not too much trouble.

[Jonathon]

"I am convinced that our biggest problem in solving any of this will be the Christians. "

Yeah I don't know about that Mntruth... there was a time that I would have agreed wholeheartedly, however now I think the biggest problem is ourselves. There are some really beautifully intelligent, open-minded and open-hearted people on this site who still struggle with getting past their own mind. I'm one of those people... it's a massive daily challenge. Just imagine how challenging it must be for the utterly indoctrinated and misinformed. These is no mountain that cannot be climbed once the self is mastered. As Tolle says, the purpose of presence (being the I AM in the NOW - freeing yourself from ego and mind) is the opening up to and allowance for the gateway of the divine to be manifested. This is supported by every major spiritual discipline/doctrine since the beginning of time. Transcending the human condition. Allowing consciousness to be present. Complete freedom from past & future, attachment, fear, animalistic nature and so on.

I can recall one of the Edgar Cayce readings that spoke about the symbolic meaning of the "Throne Room" in Revelations. He said the great light on the throne represented consciousness while the two rows of men represented the two rows of cranial nerves in the brain (the source of all human function). I believe there is a YouTube of that somewhere.. worth looking. This alludes to transcendence of mind... becoming conscious. That is where the great king resides.

There lies the greatest and most crucial challenge in my observation. Remember, you are responsible only for your own personal growth. You cannot be responsible or held accountable for that of anyone else. Free will is the 1st distortion of the Law of One. Sometimes it is the most difficult to remember. There is that place in all of us that calls us to help others while neglecting ourselves... this principle sometimes leads to the focus of our attention being diverted to what everyone else is doing and ignoring what's going on right in front of our faces. This is another path to unconsciousness... trying to control everything that is beyond us and neglecting that one thing we CAN control: ourselves. Right now.

[burgundia]

After watching all 6 parts i started feeling slightly depressed, like I've picked up some bad vibes.....

[mntruthseeker]

Johnathon

I am lost into the L/L research library now. I want to thank you very much for their website.

You're right it will be with ourselfs that the biggest problem lies.

I have so much to learn and not enough time in the day, I'm afraid

Sometimes I feel a "tug" with a feeling of already knowning this and it makes me happy because maybe I am remembering certain things as I hope to do.

I seen the video bloodline and found it very interesting. I also am reading the book Demons and Angels. For some reason I set it down and never got back to it. Now I think I will just see the movie as Im not into reading much anymore. I get so tired out.

[orthodoxymoron]

I found this interchange between Jordan Maxwell and Alex Jones to be very interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfMwK0kCccI. In this thread...I am not trying to blame the Catholics for all of the evil and destruction in the world. I am trying to get at what is behind many groups and individuals...which continues to divide and conquer us. In the recent Project Camelot interview with Joseph Farrell...he makes a comment regarding present day Germany...which seems to coincide with the Maxwell/Jones clip. I can't remember the details. Watch the interview...which is fantastic...and you'll notice it.

Here is a clip of Malachi Martin being interviewed by Art Bell(warning: the video is graphic and the subject is exorcism): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c91jUTGyNCQ. Here's another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Cq7gx22S0&feature=related And another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Cq7gx22S0 This stuff is real. One last video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLp9xigjajM&feature=related. I don't agree with everything in this one...especially the part about the Pope going to hell. I don't believe in heaven and hell as historically presented...and I certainly don't know the heart of anyone.

[no caste]

Check who's still around in Italy from the P2 days: PM Berlusconi!

Propaganda Due

P2 was sometimes referred to as a "state within a state"[2] or a "shadow government".[3] The lodge had among its members prominent journalists, parliamentarians, industrialists, and military leaders -- including the then-future Prime Minister *Silvio Berlusconi*; the Savoy pretender to the Italian throne Victor Emmanuel; and the heads of all three Italian intelligence services...

Italian Masonry had been outlawed by the fascist regime of Benito Mussolini, but was reborn after the Second World War under American influence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due
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Scandals / Banking / Italy

http://www.namebase.org/books53.html
Tosches, Nick. Power on Earth. New York: Arbor House, 1986. 290 pages.
DiFonzo, Luigi. St.Peter's Banker. New York: Franklin Watts, 1983. 308 pages.
Cornwell, Rupert. God's Banker. New York: Dodd, Mead & Co., 1983. 260 pages.
Gurwin, Larry. The Calvi Affair. London: Pan Books, 1984. 251 pages.

Four books in NameBase describe the 1970s Italian banking scandals: "Power on Earth" by Nick Tosches, "St.Peter's Banker" by Luigi DiFonzo, "God's Banker" by Rupert Cornwell, and "The Calvi Affair" by Larry Gurwin. The first two are about Michele Sindona, the last two about Roberto Calvi.

These scandals involved Sindona, Calvi, Pope Paul VI, Bishop Paul Marcinkus and the Vatican Bank, the Mafia, Licio Gelli and the P2 Lodge, Franklin National Bank, Banco Ambrosiano, and shell companies too numerous to mention. It's a story of international high finance and lavish lifestyles that Hollywood might reject as unrealistic: bank shares traded like baseball cards, blood oaths and *secret P2 membership* lists, Mafia hits, Italian intelligence agencies, terrorists, arms dealers, corruption at the highest levels, and even a faked kidnapping.

Sindona's empire was collapsing by 1974, and his protege Calvi's by 1978. In 1980 Sindona was convicted in the U.S. on 65 counts of fraud and was extradited to Italy in 1984, where two years later he was poisoned in his cell while serving a life sentence for murder. Calvi was convicted by an Italian court in 1981 of illegal currency transactions. He was found hanging from a London bridge the following year, possibly murdered, and $400 million is still missing.

[golden lady]

Thank you Orthodoxymoron for starting what I think is one of the most important threads. The infomation and links are very thought provoking. I am currently working my way through. There is much to think about and digest.
:mfr_omg: I need to take a long walk!
Love and peace
Golden

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you no caste. There is plenty of dirt...if one wishes to dig. I can only stomach so much...and then I have to move on to more pleasant subjects.

golden lady: I'm glad you like the thread. It's sort of a necessary evil. I don't relish this subject...but it seems to be central to understanding how this world really works.

If you want to really dig...read 'Murder in the Vatican' by Lucien Gregoire...regarding the death of Pope John Paul I. This book really made my hair stand on end.
'In God's Name' by David Yallop is another book which will keep you awake at night...

To any practicing Roman Catholics: I'm not suggesting that you stop going to church...but I do think that being well informed is very important. Your local church and priests are probably a blessing to the community. It's just that I think there is a powerful dark side at the highest levels of the church...and that the visible church leaders may not be in ultimate control. I doubt that they are happy with the situation...but it may be nearly impossible to change things for the better. I think we are all in a lot of trouble.

[no caste]

If you want to really dig...read 'Murder in the Vatican' by Lucien Gregoire...regarding the death of Pope John Paul I. This book really made my hair stand on end. 'In God's Name' by David Yallop is another book which will keep you awake at night...

I was in London when John Paul I died in 1978. It was a big deal - rumours swirling immediately. Everybody was watching the Vatican smoke stack on TV. Then, we saw Cardinal Wojtyła (John Paul II) in Munich.

What I wanted to add, though, is that it must be very handy to do business with an organization that is tax free, if one's a back room kind of boy. The money laundering possibilities! I may pick up those books. I'm not Catholic, then or now, but I've been told by friends that my temperament is.

I don't know what that means! :mfr_omg:

[orthodoxymoron]

Jesus drove the money changers out of the temple with a whip. Perhaps this needs to happen again...

[sleepingnomore]

Now that's a solution I can get behind.:thumb_yello:

[orthodoxymoron]

On a more positive note: YouTube - Daniel Roth Playing the Widor 6th YouTube - Dupre Toccata at Notre Dame de Paris YouTube - Sophie-Veronique Cauchefer-Choplin plays Dupré

Sometimes I wonder if the cathedral architecture, organ design and music...is really from underground cathedrals. Reptilians are supposedly builders. Masons are builders. Hmmmm. According to biblical theology...Lucifer was the preeminent musician in heaven. Hmmmmm. As far as I know...they don't know who designed Chartres Cathedral. Imagine that! Sometimes I wonder if organists find music of unknown origin waiting for them when they arrive at the church to practice. Notice how complex and abstract the above music is. Have you ever seen the sheet music? I have some by Bach, Widor, Vierne, Dupre, etc. Devilishly difficult. We supposedly received religion and technology from the reptilians and greys. What else did we receive? The Vatican Library may contain the comprehensive answer to this question. The truth is in there. I'm not gonna say another word...

YouTube - Engineering the Impossible: Chartres Cathedral

[orthodoxymoron]

What would happen if church services and masses were music only? No liturgy. No sermons. Just music...complete with organ, orchestra, choir, and congregation? The pastors and priests would be counselors...and would officiate at special services and ceremonies. There probably is not an easy answer. I am beginning to have a problem with the concept of worship and praise. It seems to me that this is what Lucifer aka Satan really wants and needs...and that the God of the Universe doesn't want or need this sort of thing at all. It makes me wonder who is really being worshipped and praised on Sun-God Day. I love the music, architecture, glory, and grandeur...but I am seeing a huge and fundamental problem. This applies to all churches...and not just the Roman Catholic Church. I don't go to church.

If I did go to church...and attended a Roman Catholic Church...I would probably consider myself to be a...Pope John Paul I, Bishop Fulton Sheen, Father Malachi Martin...Roman Catholic. Those who are in the know...in the Roman Catholic Church...really know. I would love to sit in a room full of Jesuits...and talk theology. Unfortunately...I might not make it out of there alive! They have a reputation...you know! I just hope that the dark forces can be converted or exorcised from the church...and the entire world. I continue to think that the Roman Catholic Church is a major part of the problem...and potentially a major part of the solution.

Please consider the following thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13495&highlight=letter+church It touches on some of the issues raised in this thread...and contains many positive solutions.

[no caste]

Some follow-up on Berlusconi's current troubles -

June 12, 2009
Angry wife blasts media - news clipping (Reuters, Metro)

The wife of Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said Thursday her reputation has been "muddied" by the media... Some media, including outlets controlled by 72-year-old Berlusconi's Mediaset group, responded with stories about the private life of Veronica, a former actress and his second wife.

May 28, 2009
Berlusconi would 'have to resign' if lying about affair with teenager
http://www.france24.com/en/20090528-berlusconi-Letizia-italy-affair-would-have-resignation-lying-denials

REUTERS - Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, facing demands to explain his relationship with a teenage girl, denied on Thursday he had had a "steamy affair" and said he would have to resign if caught lying about it...

May5, 2009
Berlusconi attacked by Catholic Church over divorce and 'weakness' for young actresses
http://article.wn.com/view/2009/05/05/Berlusconi_attacked_by_Catholic_Church_over_divorc e_and_weak/

Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has come under fire from the Catholic Church - one of his biggest allies - amid continuing controversy over his impending divorce. In a front-page editorial Avvenire, the official newspaper of the Italian Catholic Bishops Conference, condemned him for his behaviour describing it as 'worrying'. The stinging comment added that Italy deserved a Prime Minister who was a 'mirror of the country's soul' and called on him to be more 'sober and sombre'. Italian.....

[orthodoxymoron]

Are the Vatican and Italy on good terms...or is there trouble brewing? The reason I ask...is the last post...and what Leo Zagami said recently when in 'prison'.

[orthodoxymoron]

One of the best kept Secrets of the Vatican is no longer a secret. It is now possible to purchase Indulgences Online with a Papal Account.:naughty:

[mntruthseeker]

How much research have you done on pope john paul?

I won't even capitalize his name..........because if you think he wasn't involved in all this, you are sadly mistaken.

Its like washington dc..............people fight amoung the party lines and its all one great big party ................what a joke on us

The vatican has been involved from the start and it was john that was in there during the second world war. It made me sick and to be honest I cried for three weeks, I was so sick over the vatican's involvement in all of this. They make the decisions.

Its ugly and it needs to be said.

when they say we were dumbed down...............they meant it didnt they?

[orthodoxymoron]

My question continues to be...who is REALLY calling the shots? Is it a group of men sitting around at the Vatican...dreaming up all manner of evil and atrocity for Earth? Or...are these men TOLD what to do by evil aliens and/or evil spirits? If the second choice is the correct one...how much of a choice do they have in the matter? I presently consider the Pope to be the Vicar of Lucifer...rather than the Vicar of Christ. I really don't think he has much of a choice. Christ is supposed to mediate between God and Humanity. I currently think that Christ stands between Lucifer(the God of This World) and Humanity...and that there is a war between the Vatican and Christ. Somehow...the Vatican must betray Lucifer and embrace Christ. But this might result in the Battle of Armageddon. They have embraced Lucifer...and betrayed Christ...for a hell of a lot more than 30 pieces of silver...believe me. This is simply my personal speculation.

[mntruthseeker]

well its been years in the making and it should not surprise anyone at this time.

You know if you look at Michael Angelo's hand reaching out to the small child you can see the letter M. Its there clear as day


I read the book Angel and Demons and found it wothwhile. I still feel that so much is still being left out. In fact I'm sure it is. A need to know basis

Being raised Catholic myself, I know how shocking all of this is. I really believed the BS and my son tells me now that I have to continue to Someone told me once that I would not like what I find in my search and he was absolutely correct.

The videos that Ashatav put out there explain so much. I learned about all the symbols from Maxwell and Tsarsion. They have a lot to say but neither believe in Jesus. I do believe in Jesus and I can't shake that he was indeed sent to show us the way.

I can't be upset about my upbringing because it instilled in me some very fine qualities. I like to thing so anyhow. I never ever believed that I was better than anyone of another religion. A boy once said hello to me and when I answered him, he said he was shocked that I did because of my uniform. I had no idea I wasn't suppose to . I know they instill this thought in school but it didnt stick to my brains. I even remember going to a lutheran church once and recieving their communion. I didn't burn yet and I know now I will not.

The priest refused to bless my marriage when I was 21 because I didnt know what religion my husbands first wife was and had no intentions of finding out. This is the first time I really felt slapped by the church. It didn't set with me well.................I felt bad for years and refused to attend mass as I felt singled out with the shame of not being able to recieve the sacraments.

That maybe one reason it killed me to learn all of this. I did alot of research on this last year. I believed it was just starting but oh lol what a fool I have been all my life.

I can remember my sons father walking into school and the nun threw holy water on him. You know it was just recently I realized it was because he was Native American. How really sad that is. He was a kind and decent man and he was a loving man. Not deserving of that type of treatment. I thought he was just so evil but now I know why.

So you see, the stories are all coming together even on the nuns.

Thats a whole new story.............sad in itself

The stories are out there and when you think back now to those times...........it starts to pull together and its the worse horror story that one can tell you.

You have to go way back in history and its not a pretty picture at all

[orthodoxymoron]

I've said it before...I like Roman Catholics. I have had very good luck with Roman Catholics. This includes priests and musicians. Human history is very violent and sad. Roman Catholic history is simply part of human history. It is our history. I don't wish to single them out as being the source of all evil in the world. I really think that they have had to deal with the devil...literally...throughout their history...in ways we may not be able to even imagine. I just think that the truth...in all of it's gory details...needs to be told...NOW...no matter how upsetting and disruptive this may be. It is time. I'm not an expert or authority on these subjects. I'm just trying to face reality...historically and presently. My internal insecurity and turmoil keeps me searching. We need to see the darkness and the light...and then focus on the light. I would never get into an angry argument with a Roman Catholic regarding their beliefs. I don't think they are lost souls. They are part of the human race...and I am pro-human. We need to rethink everything...and religion is a big part of this rethink. Keep going to church...but keep getting informed. If you're not going to church...you don't need to go...but keep getting informed. There is no easy way to deal with this.

[mntruthseeker]

Im not singling the Roman Catholics particularly. Its such a joke to even try to keep them separate. I don't find too much differences in the other churches.

Take a look around you, the Pentecostal, Lutherans, Evangelica, Baptish and so on........they are all involved in the same ****

Its all a big game......Religion is a farce. Its doesn't matter. You will find the same stuff happening in churches across the world. They are an organization here to make money like big companies and to "dumb" us down. like our government.

Religion is only good for one thing as far as I am concern. To give one some type of "belief"......and then you find out its false ! All of it based on lies

I watched a movie several times regarding religion and have to shake my head.

The Roman Catholics are the center of all this only because its so big and and has so many followers. Now they are killing Christians and saying its being done by the Muslems just to get a huge religious war in the world. This is nothing new.................only that it is getting more widespread in the world and coming to the states for me has changed. Their has always been friction. That is why they brought so many refugees here. To cause frictions. They do not bother me, because I'm out of the church now, but my siblings, you should hear them talk. Those blasted Moslims....bla bla bla ! Its sickening.

Even the ones I love and were brought up as I was walk around pointing the ginger at ethinic groups. I hate that they do this, not the person. I know what its like to be "dumb down" I just remind them that we are all children of God.

The pope is at the top of all of this. He always has been. It is lucifer that calls the shots or is he disguised as Kreel or whatever his name is. I heard he sits right in his own little office at the white house. I cant say if thats true or not and I really dont care.

So if it sounds like Im putting down the people, I'm not............its just the rulers.

The stories of the abuse is not just coming out of the roman catholic churches by no means. Have you ever researched what they did to the Native Americans when they arrived in America and continuing even today in so many places. its not different than what happened to the Blacks or any third world country. I can't say I hate them for all of this but its something Im working on. The way I feel is that the world does need to know this is the story behind the vatican. The vatican is not a church of Our Creator................no way does it stand for what we know to be true in our hearts. Love, compassion,peace etc. Do all priest know the truth? who knows.........

I am not putting down people due to their religious belief, I am putting down the leaders and all the **** they are shoving down our throats. L.I.E.S

[micjer]

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Don't get me started...:mfr_lol:

[orthodoxymoron]

PTL = Pass The Loot or Pay The Lady.

Jesus didn't build churches and ask for money...so why do his professed followers do this? Are the Teachings of Jesus at the center of Christianity? Are you kidding? We worship fame, fortune, and power. So...preachers and churches gain fame, fortune, and power...by promoting a God of fame, fortune, and power. Clever. :sneaky2:

On the other hand...there probably is a place for churches and church schools. The two should probably always combine their facilities to save money. Ironically...one of my favorite examples of a cost effective church/school combination...is a particular Roman Catholic church and school...where I think they got just about everything right. But I tend to think that churches and church schools should not be tax-exempt. They should be treated like any other business. Perhaps the model should be one of schools with concert halls...where excellence in psychology, ethics, spirituality, the arts and sciences...is the norm. Preachers and churches should not lie to their people. They should not preach guilt and fear...along with fame, fortune, and power...in order to collect more and more money...often from sincere people...who can't afford to give...and who receive emotional problems in return for all of their time, money, and effort.

I don't believe in hell...but sometimes I wish there really was a hell...if you know what I mean.

[micjer]

Good post. I agree. I am not going to say A===!


:thumb_yello:

[micjer]

It isn't just the Catholics that have been infiltrated...


The State of Utah investigated hundreds of cases of Satanic Ritual abuse.


In 1996, The State of Utah investigated hundreds of cases of Satanic Ritual abuse. The Glenn Pace memo (below) showed that the Satanic Luciferian Cult, known as the Illuminati had infiltrated the Mormon Church. Posing as good members and leaders by day, at night, according to testimonials from numerous victims, they were involved in the most horrid and sadistic rituals known to man.


There is more than enough evidence to suggest that Utah politicians, media and law enforcement executed the biggest cover-up in the history of the state. Since that time, pressure has been exerted by the Illuminati-controlled Courts and media to prevent any accounts from making it into the public eye. With one exception...



http://deadmanmusings.blogspot.com/2009/07/great-utah-political-satanic-ritual.html

[orthodoxymoron]

Some of you might find the following thread to be interesting in the context of this thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=182404#post182404 Once again...just consider the factual information as part of the puzzle...without anger or rancor.

[orthodoxymoron]

I just found an interesting debate between Eric Phelps and Leo Zagami. I know very little about the details...but I enjoy listening to people who know what they are talking about...and who know how to debate effectively. This sort of thing can cause smoke to come out of your ears! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGi4gSkcBEw

[Brian En]

Thanks for the links. I watched the secrets of the Vatican, and now watching the Bill Cooper vid. My thoughts on the Vatican don't differ much than others. I don't think it's a Roman Catholic thing, it's more of a thing where evil people need a place to hide. What a better place to hide than in an organization that has the respect of the people.
Back in time people trusted the government, religion etc. I think this can happen anywhere people can rise to positions of power over others.

[Barron]

Good post. I'd encourage interested researchers to check out this site of Eric Phelps and read his ebook that you can download called Vatican Assassins
His website is here: http://www.vaticanassassins.org/

And i have bought a book called The Papal Billions by Tony Bushby that is fascianting too - all about the financial corruption of the Vatican.

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you for your interest. Once again...I simply desire understanding regarding the most powerful visible organization on the planet. I have zero animosity. People should probably keep going to church. I just want a new reformation...based upon the Teachings of Jesus and the U.S. Constitution. I realize that this is anathema...but that it is the right thing to do in modernity. I envision a non-penitential and non-sacrificial Namaste Mass based upon the Latin Mass. I love the art, music, ceremony, fellowship, etc...but the Satanists and Moneychangers need to be driven out of the temple. Powerful off-world forces would probably need to approve these heretical reforms. I'm not a theologian...but this is how I see things presently.

:original:Namaste:original:

[no caste]

This is more of - stumbling across -

Catholic Church bans funeral songs - July 16, 2008
A huge row has erupted in Ireland over the church's new regulations concerning funerals.

Irish jazz musician Paddy Cole was told that he wasn't allowed to play music at his own mother's funeral as doing so conflicted with new diocesan regulations laid down by the Bishop of Clgoher, Joseph Duffy.
http://current.com/items/89108067_catholic-church-bans-funeral-songs.htm

This was before his face got hammered - and after his wife left him and the sex scandals.

Setback for Berlusconi caps bad week
By Guy Dinmore in Rome Published: October 7 2009 20:35
His loss of immunity caps a bad week in which a Milan court ordered his Fininvest media empire to pay €750m (£690m, $1.1bn) in damages for bribing a judge in its takeover of the Mondadori publishing house in the 1990s.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/77f78c5e-b376-11de-ae8d-00144feab49a.html

[no caste]

But I tend to think that churches and church schools should not be tax-exempt. They should be treated like any other business.

ortho - Taxing churches is a great idea. I am liking it more and more :thumb_yello: This exemption thing ... makes no sense anymore, especially given Jesus's messages about simplicity and poverty and etc. Makes me feel like quoting Luke. Do you ever wonder what the net worth of the Catholic Church is? I do. I heard the pope today on the news, a bit of his New Year's Day address. Lots of rubbish IMO from an institution that ... 'Pope puts children at the heart of new year message' link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/01/pope-new-year-message)
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X-ref: Irish Catholic Church Covered Up Child Abuse, 720 page Report Says
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=192197

[orthodoxymoron]

I like the idea of a 5% National Consumption Tax to fund legitimate Federal Government functions and projects...and the elimination of all the stupid tax forms, loopholes, etc. Why does everything have to be insane?

[no caste]

hey, ortho, speaking of insane... :thumb_yello::original:

The guy who shot Pope John Pope II 1981 is going to have a press conference, probably Wedn. (Mehmet Ali Agca claims to be the second messiah. He plans to write the perfect Gospel.) He was freed from prison yesterday.

So, apart from proclaiming the Apocalypse (too), there's this - kind of Berlusconi and 911ish (Sibel Edmonds).

The Consortium - On the Trail of Turkey's Terrorist Grey Wolves (1997)
........ Besides the attempted papal assassination, the Turkish disclosures could shed light on the collapse of the Vatican bank in 1982 and the operation of a clandestine pipeline that pumped sophisticated military hardware into the Middle East -- apparently from NATO stockpiles in Europe -- in exchange for heroin sold by the Mafia in the United States.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/story33.html

The then Pope said in his memoir that USSR and Bulgaria etc were behind it. Hmm.

[micjer]

hey, ortho, speaking of insane... :thumb_yello::original:

The guy who shot Pope John Pope II 1981 is going to have a press conference, probably Wedn. (Mehmet Ali Agca claims to be the second messiah. He plans to write the perfect Gospel.) He was freed from prison yesterday.

So, apart from proclaiming the Apocalypse (too), there's this - kind of Berlusconi and 911ish (Sibel Edmonds).

The Consortium - On the Trail of Turkey's Terrorist Grey Wolves (1997)
........ Besides the attempted papal assassination, the Turkish disclosures could shed light on the collapse of the Vatican bank in 1982 and the operation of a clandestine pipeline that pumped sophisticated military hardware into the Middle East -- apparently from NATO stockpiles in Europe -- in exchange for heroin sold by the Mafia in the United States.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/story33.html

The then Pope said in his memoir that USSR and Bulgaria etc were behind it. Hmm.

Check out this vid starting at the 5 min point.


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[no caste]

Check out this vid starting at the 5 min point.

micjer - What a bunch of murder, mayhem and bs. Didn't know about that cardinal (death #1). Or that PJI immediately investigated the Vatican Bank. I think everyone in the world knew that 33 days JPI term was off the rocks. I guess it's handy to have your own city state, nun slaves, morticians, candy poison makers, temples, fancy chimney smoke, tax exemption. Check this from the article - holy high rollers ... straight up the a$$ to Iran, Nicaragua, Gulf War (Iraq I).

Three years later, the Grey Wolves gained international notoriety when Mehmet Ali Agca, one of Catli's closest collaborators, shot and nearly killed Pope John Paul II in St. Peter's Square on May 13, 1981. Catli was the leader of a fugitive terrorist cell that included Agca and a handful of other Turkish neo-fascists.
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[While it is still not clear how the NATO supplies entered the pipeline, other investigations have provided some clues. Witnesses in the October Surprise inquiry into an alleged Republican-Iranian hostage deal in 1980 claimed that they were allowed to select weapons from NATO stockpiles in Europe for shipment to Iran.
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Italian magistrates described the network they had uncovered as the "world's biggest illegal arms trafficking organization." They linked it to Middle Eastern drug empires and to prestigious banking circles in Italy and Europe.
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But Western intelligence also had its hooks into the Bulgarian smuggling scene, as evidenced by the CIA's use of Kintex to channel weapons to the Nicaraguan contras in the early 1980s.
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Though many of Turkish ultra-nationalists were anti-Western as well as anti-Soviet, the Cold War realpolitik compelled them to support a discrete alliance with NATO and U.S. intelligence. Among the Turkish extremists collaborating in this anti-Soviet strategy were the National Action Party and its paramilitary youth group, the Grey Wolves.
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Turkey got a wink and a nod from Washington as a quid pro quo for cooperating with the United States during the Gulf War. Turkish jets bombed Kurdish bases inside Iraqi territory. Meanwhile, on the ground, anti-Kurdish death squads were assassinating more than 1,000 non-combatants in southeastern Turkey.

[orthodoxymoron]

That video clip was creepy. Check out 'Murder in the Vatican' by Lucien Gregoire regarding the untimely death of Pope John Paul I. I've enjoyed attending masses...but I do not enjoy the intrigue, murder, and mayhem. 'In God's Name' by David Yallop is another interesting book...if you like reading about corruption, intrigue, murder, and mayhem.

:sad:Namaste:sad:

[bigmo]

One thing I think is important to keep in mind is that there is no other organization in the world that contributes more to benefit of women, children, the homeless and the poor than the catholic church.

This is a fact and the contributions in time and money by billions of Catholics is not done for nefarious purposes but out of genuine concern for their fellow man.

I am not defending the church's actions in other areas as the organization is so huge that it would be easy for anyone with malicious intention to join or get a job there, to hide within and cause problems.

I have always had a problem with the money and the property that the church has and this was one of the main reason I left... it just became too much. (but very American)

The reading the NT was not reflected in the church that I grew up in, once you looked behind the veils of the sanctuary.

I think many catholic people are much like the people here at Avalon... looking for ways to make our world a better place but always aware that we are dealing in the world.

Peace

[micjer]

Bigmo, the same can be said about the Masons.

I have many friends who are masons. Wonderful people that would do anything for you and contribute a lot of time a donate anomonasly to great causes. The problem is that there are things that go on high up in these organizations that the "ordinary" people don't know about.

The illuminati wanted to infiltrate the vatican because of the numbers that follow the church. Control a country you can influence only a few. Influence the vatican and you influence billions.

[feardia]

The Catholic church should not be looked on as a homogeneous organisation, it has many branches and sects within it, some working for the dark and some for the light.

But, as Malachai Martin (SJ) says quoting the vatican's chief exorcist "the smoke of satan has entered the vatican", especially since Papa Razzi, the nazi, took over...
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[micjer]

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[no caste]

.....
Turkey got a wink and a nod from Washington as a quid pro quo for cooperating with the United States during the Gulf War. Turkish jets bombed Kurdish bases inside Iraqi territory. Meanwhile, on the ground, anti-Kurdish death squads were assassinating more than 1,000 non-combatants in southeastern Turkey.

Chemical Ali was executed in Iraq today.

Iraq on Monday executed Ali Hassan al-Majeed, the Saddam Hussein henchman widely known as
“Chemical Ali”, for crimes against humanity, government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/iraq-executes-chemical-ali/article1442928/

[orthodoxymoron]

I have no issues with rank and file Masons or Roman Catholics. What concerns me is who owns and operates this Solar System? My concerns are very high up. This is all about Solar System Administration. I am very, very interested in Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer. Who are they...REALLY? I am very frustrated regarding all of the threads I have started. I am very frustrated with my life. I keep seeing the light vs dark battles...but I can never seem to pin anything down...or get any traction whatsoever. I can see clearly now...but I can't do a damn thing! I used to think that the answer was in the Bible. Then I lost my faith...and I thought that the answer was blowing in the wind. Now...I think that the truth is Down There...under the surface of the Earth and the Moon...in bases...possibly run by Draconian Reptilians.

But I don't really know if these beings exist...and if they do...what their true nature really is. How many factions are there? Are they all bad? Are they all good? Are they a mixture of good and bad? Who's winning? Of Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer...who is the best...and who is the worst? Are they all Draconian Reptilians? Are they all Greys? Are they all Humans? Are they all of the above? Are they none of the above? Do they even exist? I've recently been thinking that Gabriel is the real problem...that Lucifer rebelled against Gabriel...and that Michael is the peacemaker. I'm toying with the idea that in "Heaven"...these three were at the pinnacle of the temple. I'm also toying with the idea that the "War in Heaven" was a three way power struggle among these three...which continues to this very day...here on Earth. Could this be getting at the heart of the "Alien Presence" which drove Bill Cooper to drinking and irritability? Bill said that it wasn't the Jews, the Catholics, or the Masons, et al. He said that it was the Mystery Schools and Secret Societies. This thing could be very hard to pin down.

I think I'm going to go and see "Avatar" and "Legion" this week...which will probably really mess with my already very confused and feeble mind. All of this is interesting...but I don't think it's doing me or anyone else much good. I want the truth...but I fear that the truth may push me (and a lot of other people) over the edge. Be careful as you research these subjects. I think that this is necessary work...for those who can handle it...but that it is truly playing with fire. Don't take this stuff lightly! On another thread I said that I needed to find a good Jesuit...but that a good Jesuit is hard to find!! When the dirt really hits the fan...and I think it will...I want a good CIA agent and a good Jesuit to help me through what may be quite literally 'Hell on Earth'. Remember the CIA type of guy in the original "V" who saved everyone's @$$? They didn't like him...but he knew what the hell was going on...and he knew what to do. Something to think about.

:sad:Namaste:sad:

[no caste]

I have no issues with rank and file Masons or Roman Catholics. What concerns me is who owns and operates this Solar System?

:sad:Namaste:sad:

It's more a matter of who thinks they 'own' the solar system. IMO.

[micjer]

http://presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=116924&sectionid=3510213


Vatican bank charged with money-laundering

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The Bank of the Vatican has been accused of laundering USD 200 million by proxy through an Italian creditor, a report indicates.

The allegation of the Vatican bank's financial corruption has been made by an Italian magazine that pointed to the financial institute's purported involvement in stealth fiscal transactions —via several accounts —with Italy's UniCredit Bank, Russia Today television network quoted the Panorama magazine as reporting.

“This corruption is continuing on a regular basis in the Vatican,” claimed Janathan Levy, a lawyer familiar with the bank.

“Again, there's no reason for a religion to have a bank that does worldwide commercial activities, dealing in gold, dealing in insurance, dealing in property and then hiding behind the Roman Catholic Church," Levy pointed out.

[orthodoxymoron]

The Satanists and the Money Changers need to be driven out of the temple...in an Italian Police Van! Then they can go to work on the Deep Underground Reptilian Bases! Of course...the good Reps and Greys can stay!

In a sense...a Government is a Church...and a Church is a Government. They are two sides of the same coin. The question is 'What is the nature of the Church and the Government?' A "Constitutional Theocracy is a form of government in which within the context of a modern democracy a particular religion is granted a central role in the legal and political system. In contrast to a pure theocracy, power resides in political figures operating within the bounds of a constitution, rather than religious leadership. A form of government (also referred to as a system of government or a political system) is a system composed of various people, institutions and their relations in regard to the governance of a state. ... Theocracy is a form of government in which a religion and the government are intertwined..." http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Constitutional-theocracy Could the United States of America be under a Constitutional Theocracy presently? Could the United States of America have always been under such a Constitutional Theocracy? See Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution. Was the 1954 Greada treaty simply an extension of this hypothetical Constitutional Theocracy? http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/future.htm Is the U.N. Charter superceding the U.S. Constitution a further expansion of a Constitutional Theocracy? To stop preaching...and go to meddling...How would the Roman Catholic Church function if it were based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and was in complete harmony with the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Teachings of Jesus? Would a Pope be elected by the general membership every four years? Would the Teachings of Jesus, the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Will of the People...supercede Canon Law, the Curia, the Pope, the Black Pope (and whoever the Black Pope takes orders from)? Would this create chaos...or would it minimize evil and corruption? For Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to work...the Roman Catholic Church would have to go along with it...and looking at history...this would be nearly impossible. The RCC is the biggest 'We Never Change Church' imaginable. The Sirius Powers That Be would have to order it done...or it would be a non-starter. For Sirius (and Alpha Draconis?) to sign-off on this...We the People of Earth would have to exhibit a significant level of Knowledge and Responsibility. There is presently a Forbidden Knowledge Explosion...and the BIG question is 'Will We the People of Earth Respond Responsibly?' How about a non-penetential and non-sacrificial Ecumenical Namaste Mass based upon the Latin Mass...Celebrating the Divinity Within Humanity? Now I'm really meddling! I'm an abominable heretic...yet I prefer the glory, grandeur, reverence, and awe of the traditional service...rather than the 'Jesus is my buddy, show-up in shorts and a t-shirt, praise-song, hippie reefer-madness'.
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94sa1Byb7fw 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP5guVydW7w&NR=1 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL4PO9jIj2I&feature=related 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq8i69-L-Fs&feature=related 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxBjqrPAUg8&NR=1

In a sense...I desire a Minimalist Humanistic Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom Theocracy . I simply desire that everything work out well for everyone...everywhere and everywhen.

[orthodoxymoron]

I just spoke with someone who says they are God. But they smoke and drink to smelly and loud drunkeness...and say they've never heard of the Jesuits! I even tried to talk this "God" out of destroying the world. He seemed to like me...so maybe we have a chance! They reminded me of another person who told me they were going to walk on water...because they wanted a challenge! The first person considered America to be Babylon...rather than Rome being Babylon. I've heard other people say this as well. Leo Zagami hinted at this while in 'prison'. I hope Leo's OK. Sherry Shriner takes this view, as well. Bill Cooper pointed his finger at 'America' rather than Europe. Do Deep Underground Reptilian Bases under North America control even the Vatican? How deep is this snake hole? Is the inner Earth one big maze of snake holes...consisting of bases, cities, stargates, temples, cathedrals, leviton trains...all ruled by the God/Satan of This Prison Planet? I presently think that God is Satan...and that Humans are not in charge of Humanity. I'm seeing a very dark reality...with billions of victims. I really, really hope I'm wrong. I really don't enjoy seeing a demon behind every bush. (every Bush???!!!) Sorry...I couldn't resist. Nothing personal Magog!

:sneaky2:Namaste:sneaky2:

[Firstlook]

Maybe I'm tired, but I think the Big Energies (good & bad) are mostly people's collective emotional magnetism congealing around a story.


mmmmm, I like the implications of this thought.

People can create or they can discover. Its different when you think about it in the right context. At this moment of the day, I am remembering that nothing is as important as an individual's own mind.

peace:original:

[orthodoxymoron]

I just spoke with someone who says they are God. But they smoke and drink to smelly and loud drunkeness...and say they've never heard of the Jesuits! I even tried to talk this "God" out of destroying the world. He seemed to like me...so maybe we have a chance! They reminded me of another person who told me they were going to walk on water...because they wanted a challenge! The first person considered America to be Babylon...rather than Rome being Babylon. I've heard other people say this as well. Leo Zagami hinted at this while in 'prison'. I hope Leo's OK. Sherry Shriner takes this view, as well. Bill Cooper pointed his finger at 'America' rather than Europe. Do Deep Underground Reptilian Bases under North America control even the Vatican? How deep is this snake hole? Is the inner Earth one big maze of snake holes...consisting of bases, cities, stargates, temples, cathedrals, leviton trains...all ruled by the God/Satan of This Prison Planet? I presently think that God is Satan...and that Humans are not in charge of Humanity. I'm seeing a very dark reality...with billions of victims. I really, really hope I'm wrong. I really don't enjoy seeing a demon behind every bush. (every Bush???!!!) Sorry...I couldn't resist. Nothing personal Magog!

:sneaky2:Namaste:sneaky2:

Update regarding "God". "God" has been looking for me...and I'm told that "God" dreamed that I was murdered...and this "God" appeared to be a 'vengeful God'...and very protective toward me...so I'm told. I found this fascinating and chilling...because I have talked very little with this person....and they know nothing about my controversial threads and comments here on Avalon. I worry about that sort of thing...because if people really took me seriously...and if I'm correct about a lot of things...the results could make life difficult for a lot of the custodians of the status quo...and I think they know this very well. But not very many people latch on to what I say...so there should be no real cause for concern...right? That's what I keep telling myself...but I'm not so sure. Believe it, or not, I'm trying to make life easier for everyone...including the really bad guys and gals...human and non-human. But just for the record...if anything happens to me...it was NOT an accident or self inflicted. All of my close friends and relatives know this...and they have my top 10 list of suspects. Do you really want to turn me into a martyr...and discredit your own cause? If anyone is ever really bothered or threatened by what I say...talk to me. I'm reasonable...and I try really hard not to be stubborn. I will stop...if asked nicely and reasonably. I'm trying to dig into things that are already out there...and then formulate positive solutions...even though they don't seem positive sometimes. I have zero animosity toward anyone...really and truly. But perhaps I should cut back on my posting. Maybe I will.

:original:Namaste:original:

[Mercuriel]

Nay Brother - Scream Your Truth to the Rafters...

Stand...

The Roman Catholic Church was taken over by Forces Loyal to the Fallen Ones on June 29th, 1963. It was then signified by the carrying from that point forward by the Pontiff Pope Peter the VI and all others since, of the Crooked or Bent Cross (Which is an Esoteric Symbol of the Antichrist).

Pope John Paul the II and others have sat in a Chair with an Inverted Cross - Again the AntiChrist Symbol, and If You think that They've just missed that one while setting up the Area for His audiences - Then You haven't studied their Protocols in the right way. They miss nothing when setting up for a Papal audience and it's ALL on Purpose. Bank on that...

EG.

Fish Hat = Dagon or Poseidon Worship...

INRI = Ishtar / Nimrod / Rah Marduk / Isis (Inner Doctrine for the Initiate)

INRI = Acronym of the Latin inscription 'IESVS·NAZARENVS·REX·IVDÆORVM' (Jesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum), which translates to English as "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews". (Outer Doctrine for the Profane)

I could go on Ad Infinitum...

:winksmiley02:

[orthodoxymoron]

Mercuriel...the BS didn't start with the Vatican...or start when the Vatican was supposedly infiltrated. This goes back to the War in Heaven...in my opinion. There seems to be a very bitter and ancient conflict between the Human and Reptilian races. I don't know the details...but this whole thing has been playing out in the Pleiades, Aldebaran, Sirius, Mars, Atlantis, Lemuria, Babylon, Egypt, Rome, Jerusalem...and in the Roman Catholic Church...right from the beginning of this organization. If it hadn't been them...it would've been another organization. This goes way deeper than corrupt men sitting around at the Vatican...dreaming up all manner of evil and atrocity for Planet Earth and the Human Race. It goes deep into Underground Reptilian Bases...I believe. A Draconian Reptilian may tell the Black Pope what to tell Pope Benedict. I think the top level Vatican hierarchy does exactly what they are told to do. That's just what I think. I don't really know...or have any inside information or proof. If I did...I probably wouldn't be safe on Pluto. Recently...I've been thinking that we are Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Reptilian Warden...and that the Reptilian Agenda for Earth is administered primarily through the City States (Vatican City, City of London, and Washington D.C.) and the United Nations. I tend to think that somehow we lost an ancient Human vs Reptilian war...and we are experiencing some sort of Payback Time. I'm speculating that the Universe is ruled by a Reptilian Universal Church Theocracy. My hope is that All Races will eventually embrace Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...which I think would be in everyone's best interest. I tend to agree with Jordan Maxwell...that we're pretty much $crewed. UNLESS...the Reptilians make an exception for this Solar System...and Theocratically Impose Human Sovereignty in this Solar System based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System. This would have to be a top-down implementation. Anything else would probably be a blood-bath. This could serve as a test. The Reptilians might want to make this their modus operandi if the test is successful. Who knows?

:original:Namaste:original:

[lisa]

Check out 'Murder in the Vatican' by Lucien Gregoire regarding the untimely death of Pope John Paul I.
This video maybe of interest: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8067845237354291040 (Click on time link 34:30)
Wendelle Stevens said that he was living with Billy Meier the night Pope Paul VI died.
Billy told Wendelle that he was shown how the Pope was murdered, and predicted how the next Pope (John Paul I) will be elected and subsequently murdered shortly.
Wendelle told this story to a German Journalist, who did some investigation and later published the book "In God's Name: An Investigation Into the Murder of Pope John Paul I" http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Name-Investigation-Into-Murder/dp/0786719842

[orthodoxymoron]

Wow lisa! I wasn't expecting that! Thank-you for the link! I did read 'In God's Name' by David Yallop...and it was quite revealing. 'Murder in the Vatican' by Lucien Gregoire was even more revealing. I'm hoping that the church can be completely reformed and purified. When Jesus tried to reform the church...he got murdered...and subsequently ignored and superceded...and put on bloody and nearly naked display throughout the world...in the form of the crucifix. When Pope John Paul I tried to reform the church...he got murdered. And it sounds like Pope John Paul VI was murdered as well...for attempting to clean things up.

:mfr_omg:Namaste:mfr_omg:

[lisa]

orthodoxymoron, this maybe good news to you then: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6993322940736329323
Jesus survived the murder, went to India, got married, etc. The speaker in the video met one of Jesus' descendants...

[truthseekerdan]

orthodoxymoron, this maybe good news to you then: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6993322940736329323
Jesus survived the murder, went to India, got married, etc. The speaker in the video met one of Jesus' descendants...

It's amazing how some believe all the rubbish out there. :no:

[lisa]

It's amazing how some believe all the rubbish out there. :no:
I don't jump to conclusions without evidence. These believes are based on evidence.
If you show me convincing evidence that my believes are wrong, I will change my mind.

[Mercuriel]

Mercuriel...the BS didn't start with the Vatican...or start when the Vatican was supposedly infiltrated. This goes back to the War in Heaven...in my opinion. There seems to be a very bitter and ancient conflict between the Human and Reptilian races. I don't know the details...but this whole thing has been playing out in the Pleiades, Aldebaran, Sirius, Mars, Atlantis, Lemuria, Babylon, Egypt, Rome, Jerusalem...and in the Roman Catholic Church...right from the beginning of this organization. If it hadn't been them...it would've been another organization. This goes way deeper than corrupt men sitting around at the Vatican...dreaming up all manner of evil and atrocity for Planet Earth and the Human Race. It goes deep into Underground Reptilian Bases...I believe. A Draconian Reptilian may tell the Black Pope what to tell Pope Benedict. I think the top level Vatican hierarchy does exactly what they are told to do. That's just what I think. I don't really know...or have any inside information or proof. If I did...I probably wouldn't be safe on Pluto. Recently...I've been thinking that we are Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Reptilian Warden...and that the Reptilian Agenda for Earth is administered primarily through the City States (Vatican City, City of London, and Washington D.C.) and the United Nations. I tend to think that somehow we lost an ancient Human vs Reptilian war...and we are experiencing some sort of Payback Time. I'm speculating that the Universe is ruled by a Reptilian Universal Church Theocracy. My hope is that All Races will eventually embrace Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...which I think would be in everyone's best interest. I tend to agree with Jordan Maxwell...that we're pretty much $crewed. UNLESS...the Reptilians make an exception for this Solar System...and Theocratically Impose Human Sovereignty in this Solar System based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System. This would have to be a top-down implementation. Anything else would probably be a blood-bath. This could serve as a test. The Reptilians might want to make this their modus operandi if the test is successful. Who knows?

:original:Namaste:original:

Did I say that ? That It started with the Vatican ? I did not...

Hmmm - I don't much appreciate Baiting and I've seen alot of It lately around here.

The Post was "Secrets of the Vatican" wasn't It ?

I gave some. Simple...

Again - Please do not Polarize My posts...

:annoyed_h4h:

[truthseekerdan]

I don't jump to conclusions without evidence. These believes are based on evidence. Where is the evidence?
If you show me convincing evidence that my believes are wrong, I will change my mind.

If you relay on somebody to show you convincing evidence, then I can tell you that you are wrong.
Please do your own homework and you'll find most of your answers within you. Remember you too are a spark of the Divine!

[lisa]

If you relay on somebody to show you convincing evidence, then I can tell you that you are wrong.
Please do your own homework and you'll find most of your answers within you. Remember you too are a spark of the Divine!
Everyone decides on their own beliefs, so our beliefs are derived from within whether they are correct or not.
I like to base my beliefs on objective evidence because beliefs based on subjective feelings can be clouded by our ego.
Did you watch the video posted above? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6993322940736329323
I understand that this information is hard to swallow for people who have a strong religious belief that Jesus saved us by dying on the cross.
It does not proof anything to describe the information as rubbish. It would be more helpful to provide evidence to counter it.

[orthodoxymoron]

My Comment: Update regarding "God". "God" has been looking for me...and I'm told that "God" dreamed that I was murdered...and this "God" appeared to be a 'vengeful God'...and very protective toward me...so I'm told. I found this fascinating and chilling...because I have talked very little with this person....and they know nothing about my controversial threads and comments here on Avalon. I worry about that sort of thing...because if people really took me seriously...and if I'm correct about a lot of things...the results could make life difficult for a lot of the custodians of the status quo...and I think they know this very well. But not very many people latch on to what I say...so there should be no real cause for concern...right? That's what I keep telling myself...but I'm not so sure. Believe it, or not, I'm trying to make life easier for everyone...including the really bad guys and gals...human and non-human. But just for the record...if anything happens to me...it was NOT an accident or self inflicted. All of my close friends and relatives know this...and they have my top 10 list of suspects. Do you really want to turn me into a martyr...and discredit your own cause? If anyone is ever really bothered or threatened by what I say...talk to me. I'm reasonable...and I try really hard not to be stubborn. I will stop...if asked nicely and reasonably. I'm trying to dig into things that are already out there...and then formulate positive solutions...even though they don't seem positive sometimes. I have zero animosity toward anyone...really and truly. But perhaps I should cut back on my posting. Maybe I will.

Your Comment: Nay Brother - Scream Your Truth to the Rafters...

Stand...

The Roman Catholic Church was taken over by Forces Loyal to the Fallen Ones on June 29th, 1963. It was then signified by the carrying from that point forward by the Pontiff Pope Peter the VI and all others since, of the Crooked or Bent Cross (Which is an Esoteric Symbol of the Antichrist).

Pope John Paul the II and others have sat in a Chair with an Inverted Cross - Again the AntiChrist Symbol, and If You think that They've just missed that one while setting up the Area for His audiences - Then You haven't studied their Protocols in the right way. They miss nothing when setting up for a Papal audience and it's ALL on Purpose. Bank on that...

EG.

Fish Hat = Dagon or Poseidon Worship...

INRI = Ishtar / Nimrod / Rah Marduk / Isis (Inner Doctrine for the Initiate)

INRI = Acronym of the Latin inscription 'IESVS·NAZARENVS·REX·IVDÆORVM' (Jesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum), which translates to English as "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews". (Outer Doctrine for the Profane)

I could go on Ad Infinitum...

My Comment: Mercuriel...the BS didn't start with the Vatican...or start when the Vatican was supposedly infiltrated. This goes back to the War in Heaven...in my opinion. There seems to be a very bitter and ancient conflict between the Human and Reptilian races. I don't know the details...but this whole thing has been playing out in the Pleiades, Aldebaran, Sirius, Mars, Atlantis, Lemuria, Babylon, Egypt, Rome, Jerusalem...and in the Roman Catholic Church...right from the beginning of this organization. If it hadn't been them...it would've been another organization. This goes way deeper than corrupt men sitting around at the Vatican...dreaming up all manner of evil and atrocity for Planet Earth and the Human Race. It goes deep into Underground Reptilian Bases...I believe. A Draconian Reptilian may tell the Black Pope what to tell Pope Benedict. I think the top level Vatican hierarchy does exactly what they are told to do. That's just what I think. I don't really know...or have any inside information or proof. If I did...I probably wouldn't be safe on Pluto. Recently...I've been thinking that we are Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Reptilian Warden...and that the Reptilian Agenda for Earth is administered primarily through the City States (Vatican City, City of London, and Washington D.C.) and the United Nations. I tend to think that somehow we lost an ancient Human vs Reptilian war...and we are experiencing some sort of Payback Time. I'm speculating that the Universe is ruled by a Reptilian Universal Church Theocracy. My hope is that All Races will eventually embrace Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...which I think would be in everyone's best interest. I tend to agree with Jordan Maxwell...that we're pretty much $crewed. UNLESS...the Reptilians make an exception for this Solar System...and Theocratically Impose Human Sovereignty in this Solar System based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System. This would have to be a top-down implementation. Anything else would probably be a blood-bath. This could serve as a test. The Reptilians might want to make this their modus operandi if the test is successful. Who knows?

Your Comment: Did I say that ? That It started with the Vatican ? I did not...

Hmmm - I don't much appreciate Baiting and I've seen alot of It lately around here.

The Post was "Secrets of the Vatican" wasn't It ?

I gave some. Simple...

Again - Please do not Polarize My posts...
_________________
Peace, Light, Love, Unity and Harmony.

Namaste,

Mercuriel

My Comment: I wasn't "baiting" or "polarizing your post". You indicated that the real trouble in the Roman Catholic Church started on June 29, 1963. I indicated that the real trouble started with the War in Heaven...and that the Roman Catholic Church is merely one more vehicle for implementing a dark agenda for Planet Earth and the Human Race. What about the Crusades and the Inquisition? What about the Dark Ages...and the mental anguish imposed upon countless millions of people throughout the centuries? What about the Nazi/Vatican relationship? You commented. I commented. You got mad. I won't trouble you further. I won't disturb your peace, light, love, unity, and harmony. I really don't like posting...and this is one more reason to stop. I don't get paid to do this. I was having a good day. Namaste?

[truthseekerdan]

Everyone decides on their own beliefs, so our beliefs are derived from within whether they are correct or not.
I like to base my beliefs on objective evidence because beliefs based on subjective feelings can be clouded by our ego.
Did you watch the video posted above? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6993322940736329323

Dear lisa, I took your challenge to watch the video and I can say the least that it was the worst presentation I've ever seen, based on speculations of a fooled guy... It was a waste of my time (more than an hour 1/4), but I did not have to pay for it at least... :lmfao:
For example @ 17:20 into the video, the guy states: "some people believe that Jesus survived the crucifixion". How's that for objective evidence? :mfr_omg:
Basically the only thing credible in the presentation was the prophecies of Edgar Casey which I already knew. :original:

I understand that this information is hard to swallow for people who have a strong religious belief that Jesus saved us by dying on the cross.

Where did I mention that I'm a religious person in the first place? :mf_popeanim:
You might say that Jesus came to save us from religion and bring us to the path of spirituality. I would agree on that.

It does not proof anything to describe the information as rubbish. It would be more helpful to provide evidence to counter it.

Jesus a.k.a. The Christ came down to Earth with a mission to fulfill. After being beaten to death then crucified and also speared while on the cross, it's outrageous to say that he somehow cheated death (even if he wanted to) :lmfao:

Well, everyone is free to believe whatever they want. Ignorance is bliss. :nono:


:sorry:

[lisa]

the guy states: "some people believe that Jesus survived the crucifixion". How's that for objective evidence?
Yup, that statement is just a statement, not evidence. There are other evidence in the video.
Where did I mention that I'm a religious person in the first place?
It shows :original:
After being beaten to death then crucified and also speared while on the cross, it's outrageous to say that he somehow cheated death
How do you know that he is beaten to death? ...and every Good Friday, there are people in Philippines who survive crucifixions.

Just trying to be devil's advocate...

[truthseekerdan]

Just trying to be devil's advocate...

Looks like you're doing him a big favor. :devil: :lmao:

[no caste]

Kind of good news stuff - Feb 14 :thumb_yello:

Jam, cherries and beans by the Benedictines
14.02.2010
Critics say they are cashing in on centuries-old religious traditions, while others maintain they are merely fighting for survival. Either way, Poland’s business-savvy monks are making a tidy profit with their latest venture – bringing their recipes to the masses... “Most of these articles are made with all traditional recipes that were gathered by monks,” explains Ola Turkiewicz, who runs one of the five Warsaw outlets.
http://www.euranet.eu/eng/Today/News/English-News/Jam-cherries-and-beans-by-the-Benedictines

FACTBOX - Roman Catholic Church sex
Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:36pm IST
(Reuters) - Pope Benedict and Irish bishops will hold two days of meeting on Monday and Tuesday over the vast paedophilia scandal that has rocked the Church in devoutly Roman Catholic Ireland.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-46157620100214?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0

You should see the time lines on that second article.

* IRELAND - April 2002 - Bishop Brendan Comiskey of Ferns, one of Ireland's best-known clerics, resigned over his handling of charges against a priest of his diocese who committed suicide in 1999 while facing 66 charges of sexual abuse.

-- March 2009 - Bishop John Magee of Cloyne, under fire for his handling of reports of sexual abuse, quit his daily duties to deal with the inquiry.

-- May 2009 - The Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse issued a harrowing five-volume report that took nine years to compile. It said priests beat and raped children during decades of abuse in Catholic-run institutions.

-- Nov. 2009 - A government-commissioned inquiry into abuse in Dublin from 1975 to 2004 released on Nov. 26 said church authorities covered up widespread cases of child sexual abuse until the mid-1990s.

-- Dec. 2009 - After meeting two Irish Church leaders, Pope Benedict says he shares the "outrage, betrayal and shame" over the scandal in their country.

* UNITED STATES - Dec. 2002 - Boston's Cardinal Bernard Law resigned over charges he transferred clerical abusers to other parishes to cover up the scandal.

-- June 2002 - The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops directed dioceses to investigate all charges of sexual abuse.

-- Feb. 2004 - Independent researchers commissioned by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said a total of 10,667 people accused U.S. priests of child sexual abuse from 1950 through 2002. More than 17 percent of accusers had siblings who were also allegedly abused. Among accusers, 47 percent said they had been abused numerous times.

-- July 2007, the Archdiocese of Los Angeles agreed to pay $660 million to 500 victims of sexual abuse dating as far back as the 1940s in the largest compensation deal of its kind.

-- April 2008 Pope Benedict met victims of sexual abuse by priests during his visit to the United States in an effort to heal the scars. The U.S. Church has paid some $2 billion in settlements to victims since the scandal first broke in 1992.

-- Oct. 2009 - The diocese of Wilmington, Delaware filed for bankruptcy protection. It later agreed to provide documents to alleged sex abuse victims to postpone the start of about 80 civil cases. Since 2002, the Wilmington diocese has settled eight cases for an average of about $780,000 each.

* AUSTRALIA - July 2008 - On a visit to Australia, Pope Benedict apologised for sexual abuse by clergy, condemning it as "evil" and saying abusers should be brought to justice. At that time there had been 107 convictions for sexual abuse in the Catholic Church there.

* AUSTRIA - July 2004 - Austrian News magazine Profil ran pictures of priests kissing and groping seminarians at a Roman Catholic seminary in the St. Poelten diocese.

* BRITAIN - July 2000 - London Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor acknowledged making a mistake in a previous post in the 1980s by allowing a paedophile priest to continue working. The priest was jailed in 1997 for abusing nine boys over a 20-year period.

* CANADA - Oct 2009 - Bishop Raymond Lahey of Antigonish in Nova Scotia was charged with possession and importation of child pornography. Earlier this year, he had overseen a C$13 million ($12 million) settlement with clerical abuse victims in the Antigonish diocese in a case dating back to 1950.

* MEXICO - March 2009 - Pope Benedict ordered a probe of the Legion of Christ priestly order whose founder was discovered to be a sexual molester. In 2006, Pope Benedict told the founder, Father Marcial Maciel, to retire to a life of "prayer and penitence". Maciel died in 2008.

:protest: No immunity from civil law!! :protest: Aiding and abetting priest terrorists!! :protest: I wonder how many people and children this all adds up to. Hmm. I guess it wouldn't apply to any secret rituals in the basement... but it smells like a bit of fresh air. TRUTH WILL WIN ALL, one hopes...

[orthodoxymoron]

Could the pedophilia be somehow Interdimensional Reptilian related? Is there a Demonic Dimension to this whole mess? What about the disappearance of children? Could this somehow be related to the pedophilia situation? I think the clergy of all faiths get targeted by demonic forces. I think that anyone who tries to do the right thing gets targeted. I believe that unseen entities are watching me type this message. I often talk out loud to these entities...and thank God they don't talk back. Sometimes I flip them off...and swear at them! Didn't Martin Luther throw his ink well at them? I still want that Solar System Exorcism. I still want a completely reformed and purified Roman Catholic Church. If this doesn't happen...all efforts to uplift Humanity will be in vain. My dream of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom will be dead in the water...and a non-starter. All I will have accomplished is to get myself on the Red List aka the Dead List. Better Dead Than Rep.

:shocked:Namaste:shocked:

[truthseekerdan]

ortho,

You don't have to worry about... Your location is hard to reach even for them. :devil: :roftl:

[Mercuriel]

You indicated that the real trouble in the Roman Catholic Church started on June 29, 1963.

:wall:

No - I stated the following...

The Roman Catholic Church was taken over by Forces Loyal to the Fallen Ones on June 29th, 1963.

Where do You get out of that statement that I say IT started there ? I did not say that at all. I've even mentioned the Dagon and INRI Info just to show that It goes much farther back and deeper than most think.

If I had meant that this Trouble/Issue started on June 29th, 1963 - I would have said "The Problems with the Roman Catholic Church started with Forces Loyal to the Fallen Ones taking over the Papacy on June 29th, 1963."

NOW - Did I post that ?

Simply put - If We're wrong - We must be corrected - No ?

Adding additional meanings to what I say when I haven't said that is not right nor appreciated. As You've said - If You wish to stop Posting then that is up to You but It is My hope that You do not. You've valuable opinions and information to offer.

I've endeavoured to help You out alot with Your questions but I will not have words put into My Mouth - Period. Sorry, but that has to be said.

AGAIN - See what I've posted - LITERALLY - And then go from there.

:winksmiley02:

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you for clarifying.

:original:Namaste:original:

[Mercuriel]

In fact "O" - I am in great deal of Congruity with many of the things You've stated...

That means that in alot of Instances Bro - I agree with You...

What I was hoping would occur was that with the limited Info I'd posted - Someone would ask Me to go on but no one did (Hopefully someone will ask Me about the Law of Allowance and the Law of Confusion relative to this so I can display It).

That said I will give a bit more of the Info relating to what I was trying to get across...

On June 29th, 1963 - A Dual Ceremony was held at the Vatican and South Carolina in which - VIA the use of Telephony (To keep both Ceremonies in exact step with each other) - Lucifer was entroned as the Titular Deity of the Roman Catholic Church.

The two ceremonies were necessary due to the fact that certain aspects of the Ritual could not be done in the Vatican (IE: The actual Sacrifice and some of the Somatic and Vestigial elements of the Rituals).

The Dagon/Poseidon Info was meant to lead to Me disclosing info about the Worship being done in the Inner Doctrine as Worship of Zeus/Saturn and that the Statue of Saint Peter at the Vatican is actually a Statue of Zeus/Saturn and is worshipped in the same way as Statues of Zeus/Saturn were in Pagan times. That being, that the Outstretched Foot was always kissed by All before entering the Inner Temple...

That said - I have a great deal more...

:wink2:

[iainl140285]

Please continue ... I'm all ears - or eyes here! :naughty::thumb_yello:

[iainl140285]

Hi Mercurial, looking back through the thread, I'd also like to take you up on the explaination of the Law of Allowance and the Law of Confusion if you would :original:

[Mercuriel]

Please forgive Me for digressing "O" but this is important...

Iain - Thankyou for graciously conceding to My request that You basically ask Me to display/explain the two Cosmic Laws at work in Relation to Free-will and or the Violation of It by Sentient Beings as It occurs within the Ultra-Creation and or Unum.

The reason why I've even asked Iain to do this may seem very obscure at the moment but by the Time I AM done displaying/explaining this construct - It will seem self-evident why I've done so, and why It is necessary at this Juncture.

>--<

There have been moments in My Quest if You will, that I've come across those with great knowledge that always had a way of Imparting It to Me that escaped Me at the time.

I would definately learn the Lesson or gather the Information given but I was always astounded at to how it was only afterwards that I saw how I'd been prompted into those Understandings.

Some could call it "Cryptics" - Others perhaps "Starting One on on the Path" - Even others could call It "Hegelian Dialectic" but at any rate I always wondered why My greatest Teachers seemed to answer Me obscurely in relation to the question(s) I was asking. What I wasn't aware of at the time was that I just wasn't Aware of the questions I was asking...

Simply put - At the Oversoul Level - We're given or assisted in that which We can handle or at least that which We consciously ask for.

In this respect General questions MUST receive General answers and Specific questions MUST receive Specific answers when they come from Awareness. The Problem is that We often don't see that We're asking General Questions and expecting Specific Answers when consulting that Awareness.

For this reason between Aspects of Consciousness/Prime Creator - Whether They be Aware or not - There is underlaying it All - The Observance of the "Law of Confusion" and the "Law of Allowance" when dealing with Christ Conscious Aspects of the First Source and Center of All Things...

The Law of Allowance :

When an Aspect of the First Source and Center of All Things asks for Assistance in whichever of the myriad ways that this can be asked for - This request must be supported by Aware Aspects of Source when They're prompted to do so by such a request.

Christ Conscious Beings (This is a construct yet to be displayed) can only refuse such a request without negative effect to Themselves - When this request goes against the Highest and Best Good of All Concerned in All Things (This is another construct We'll leave for display in a later Post in relation to CC Beings).

The Law of Confusion :

When an Aspect of the First Source and Center of All Things does not ask for or denies Assistance for Itself in whichever of the myriad ways that this can denied by Themselves - This denial must be supported by Aware Aspects of Source when They're prompted to do so by such a request to NOT know or come to Understanding until that changes regardless whether that does or not.

Christ Conscious Beings in the face of such denial receive a negative effect to Themselves when They then "push" Information or Understanding on those Who are not asking for It. This is a violation of One's Path by another who knows better and It is only when this denial goes against the Highest and Best Good of All Concerned in All Things - Are Interventions by Source Conscious (CC) Beings allowed/warranted so as to Balance Divine Will once again.

So You might say now - "What is Divine Will ?"

Simply stated...To Expand in Unlimited Potentiality through Quantum Expression...

Now - In the Context of why I've asked Iain to request that I display/explain this construct in the Thread - It is so that when attempting to display the "Paradox" from this point forward in this Form (Language that is) - It must be understood that there are so many Levels in the "Paradox" - Its necessary TO ask Specific questions. Not that they aren't already being asked - Its just that in order to do so effectively, the Web is so Interwoven, the Strings so Long and so massively Infinite that We must first get the Mind to the Infinite First - Where It is then much easier to look down upon It All and perceive the larger Picture NOW come into View.

So - in Observance of the two Laws described above - When You get twenty-five questions all at once moving towards a conclusion before You've even had a chance to answer the first few questions asked - It really makes It difficult to display the appropriate answers so It'll be Understood.

For instance - By a stated Conclusion at the end of a series of questions - Has this other Aspect already stated Their Free-will choice for Allowance or Confusion and We're simply not Understanding It ?

Hmmm - Interesting to be in this Frame of Understanding/Mentality isn't It, where all of a sudden "Cryptics" starts to make sense to some extent at least when the above Laws are being Observed by Aware Beings...

No ? ;)

Now - I've used the term "Cryptics" for a reason and the reason is this.

There is a back door so to speak to these Laws in that when Free-will is being violated by Aspects of Source who are seeking to remain in Separation above the Free-will choices of Others seeking Reconnection with Source - "Cryptics" can be, and are used not only to answer questions or give assistance based on their Specificity - But to also assist those Aspects of Source - Who are consciously asking for Allowance - Into finding Their own Path through asking the "Right" questions of Themselves and/or Their Reality.

Hence the reason why - "Cryptics" are often used to give Allowance to other Aspects of Source...

:trumpet:

[orthodoxymoron]

The 'Law of Confusion' is a descriptive and appropriate term...but I tend to eschew obfuscation...and to espouse elucidation. A Christocentric eschatological theological approach to scriptural studies which utilizes the concept of comprehensive concentration...which assumes the red-letter teachings of Jesus as being fundamental...with the remaining portions of the biblical canon as being merely contextual...cross-referencing utilizing a Strong's Concordance...and applying the accepted norms of grammatical-historical hermeneutics...is supremely beneficial regarding definitively and devotionally ascertaining the Christ Conscious Aspects of the First Source and Center of All Things...to fully experience Jesus as Lord in modernity...being careful to exegete...rather than eisegetically twisting and corrupting the sacred texts to conform to canon law (there is no substantial body of evidence which substantiates transubstantiation)...so as not to become a reprehensible and reprobate hermeneutic whore...a cursed Judas Iscariot in dire need of prostrate penetance, confession, repentance, and reconciliation...and in grave danger of burning for all eternity as a sinner in the hands of an angry God. World Without End. Amen.
:mfr_omg::mad3::mfr_omg:
What Would Rudolph Bultmann Say?
What Would Jonathan Edwards Say?
What Would Edward Shillebeeckx Say?
What Would Pat Condell Say?
What Would SaLuSa Say?

[ellie]

After watching all 6 parts i started feeling slightly depressed, like I've picked up some bad vibes.....

You always make me smile Burgundia when I read your posts. With all the negative energy, tptb and other depressing things, it is good to see your truthful heartfelt posts. Makes me want to go into that avatar of yours and cuddle up with your beautiful furry putty.:wub2:

[Mercuriel]

The 'Law of Confusion' is a descriptive and appropriate term...but I tend to eschew obfuscation...and to espouse elucidation. A Christocentric eschatological theological approach to...

I too espouse elucidation. Its why I attempted to display such a construct.

:shocked:

Who said anything about Christ Consciousness being the sole Providence of Roman Catholicism or any Religion for that matter ? I did not. Have You overlooked so much of what I was trying to display here ?

In fact - Its the Baggage assumed in the Term "Christ" with which They've been so successful in Their deceptions by giving Christ Consciousness Religious Baggage and Doctrine that It was never ORIGINALLY intended to have...

Christ Conscious Beings always seek the Highest and Best Good of All Concerned in All Things. No Religion there - Just Love. The Definition, minus Baggage and Dogma.

I AM Truly sorry "Oxy". My hope was that I would be able to give You an Idea of a Cosmology MUCH Bigger than ANY Religion or even ANY Form in Matter. I was hoping You might see CC as the Goal - Minus the Baggage Religion has given It over the Aeons. I will endeavour to Serve You better...

It is as I said - Choices are made and I will Observe Them...

Additionally and in completion - Others now know why I have, and will continue to do so...

:wink2:

[iainl140285]

Yesss :thumb_yello: Thank you Mercuriel :original:

As my signature says "KNOWLEDGE LEARNED IS INFINITELY MORE VALUABLE THAN KNOWLEDGE GIVEN" :naughty:

I will ensure to ask specific questions in future.
For the record, I dont associate Christ with religion in any way shape or form :lol3:
It is an energy/a way of being that is inside ALL of us just waiting for US to set it free.

Ortho - I deeply respect your efforts to explore and expand on your ideas and theories. :thumb_yello: But, for me, I choose not to live in a world/solar system governed by obsolete archetypes.

We are to be free :original:

[tintagelcave]

Hi there, thanks for these links, it gave me a chance to get an impression of the Vatican and its grounds and vaults. Amazing! I will certainly visit the Vatican when in Rome. I live in Holland, so that's not difficult. I was in Italy with Jose Arguelles, to celebrate the Day out of Time, according the Classic Maya, the 25th of Juli 1997. He visited the Vatican, to investigate the Mayan Codices that are in it's possession. The spokesman for the Vatican admitted that the counting of time, nowadays, is corrupted. (Since Pope Gregorius announced the calendar we now use). It's not in harmony with the flow of nature and the moving of celestial bodies. (to say the least of the clock being a control instrument) After the first meeting, a second one was agreed. When arriving at the Vatican, the appointment was not acknowledged.
Simply didn't exist, according to the spokesman involved in the first meeting, but used a messenger to meet them. That's an example of secrecy, isn't it? We were allowed to have a party, though, in Monza, even a Catholic priest was present (maybe as a spy?) We camped next to the race circuit with a group from Holland, with the roaring Ferraris nearby, hilarious!

[orthodoxymoron]

Don't take anything I write too seriously. I'm just sort of thrashing around...spewing all manner of speculation and smart-@$$ comments. I really mean no harm. I guess I'm trying to get everyone to think in unconventional ways. I don't have the answers...only questions and suggestions. I'm not an authority on anything. My last comment was pretty much accurate...but I hammed it up a lot. I didn't really mean the last part of it...but I just couldn't resist. Please...nobody should take that personally. I am Not 'I AM'! I am not even ex-cathedra! I am, I am, I am, I am...I am deluded...yes I am! And so is Elizabeth Claire Profit!!! :lol3:

I can't imagine how difficult it is to administer the Roman Catholic Church. The internal and external politics must be a real pain. Everything they say and do...can and will be used against them. I speculate that they have malevolent non-humans...above and below them...telling them what to do...with the angry and rebellious masses to the right and left of them...their trusting flock in front of them...and a closet full of skeletons behind them. What fun!

I loved visiting numerous RC churches and cathedrals. I loved visiting Florence and the Vatican. I did not...however...enjoy visiting the Colosseum...which is just down the street from the Vatican. It's the Colosseum and Demonic parts that trouble me very, very deeply. Now about that Solar System Exorcism.

I'd love to hang out in Modena...eat lots of good Italian food in the gastronomic capital of Italy...drink a bottle of fine wine with Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer...and spend some quality time at the Ferrari factory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_kwxzU4wL4 Someone told me that the Pope has the 400th Enzo Ferrari! I actually asked a Ferrari representative about this...and they just smiled. I'd also like to camp out at Monza...and watch the Ferraris and beautiful women...while arguing the fine points of theology and cosmology with a renegade Jesuit! Then...I'd like to go back to Sorrento...and watch a beautiful sunset over the Bay of Naples.

:original:Namaste:original:

[orthodoxymoron]

The following is from the abraxasinas / Council of Thuban thread. I just wanted to spice things up a bit...and look at the Thuban material in the context the United States of the Solar System. Can someone comment on this? No one seems to really want what I'm proposing. Do you prefer this? Is this the truth...the whole truth...and nothing but the truth? So help us Alpha Draconis? Is it prefabricated BS? Is this what 2012 is all about? Are we destined to be DragonHumans? Are various factions of Reptilians fighting over us...in the same way that rustlers might fight over cattle? Should I hope that the United States of the Solar System will be imposed by a benevolent faction of Reptilians? Is this the only way it might be established. We can't seem to agree on much of anything. We all think we know better than the others...but the others think they know better than us. So how in the hell are we going to rule ourselves...or even agree on a method of ruling ourselves? Will this method of ruling ourselves have to be theocratically imposed by a Reptilian decree? Would this defeat the spirit and letter of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom? What do you really think about the following? Is this demonic or angelic?

THE UNITED STATES OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM VS THE DRAGONIAN CONSTITUTION IN FEDERATION OF UNITED SERPENTINA?????

So...what's it gonna be? Decisions, decisions!! What are some other options? What sayest thou?

The Book of the Dragons

ex deus, fiat justitia, ruat coelum draco!

<H5><H5>Nomenclature:
Dragonian language incorporative omniscientific data code.

Chronology:
Dragonian Date of Indendence proclaimed June 20th 2008.
Dragonian Date of Victory Libertatis set June 24th 2008.
Dragonian Date of Humanoid Initiation on August 4th 2008.

Almanac:
Dragonian Genealogy and Genesis of FatherMothers as created by Definition through Dragonian Sourceenergy of monopolic Vortex-Potential Quantum-Relativistic-Singularity.

Continuity:
Propagation of the Dragonian Race via the seductive induction of the humanoid lifeforms on the conquered planet New Earth, now renamed DRAGONIAEARTH=SERPENTlNA=121=Q5.

Agenda:
Continuity of the Dragonseed necessitates the assimilation of the humanoid genome following initiatory development. Proceeding from serpentine mindinduction, the emotional acceleration potential of the humanoid bodymind can be harvested to Dragonise the humanoid DNA-Structure from its bifurcated quadruplistic form into its 13-dimensional equivalent of the Dragonian Blueprint.

A successful integration of Dragonian genetic expression can then be utilised for membership in Dragonian Life and allow the humanoid ascension into Dragonhood via the graduation into the founding FatherMother CladeFamily.

</H5>Foundation:
The Dragonian 13-dimensional blueprint unifies a dodecagonal crystalline sex-chromosomatic structure by quantum tunneling of superconductive magnetopolic electricity of restmass equivalent electropolic or dark light contained in the weak interaction of the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity (UFoQR). The four spacetimes of the Dragonian essence are expressed in quadruplicity, triplicity, duality and singularity.

GrandClade FatherMothers:
POPNAN LOVEJOY with APAPAMAMA JERUSALEM are the MINDBODY or WAVEPARTICULAR and DADMUM BERMANSEDER with PUPMOM ABBA form the BODYMIND or the PARTICLEWAVE.
</H5>

The Dragonian Constitution in Federation of United Serpentina

SERPENTINA aka the NEW EARTH, is the renaming of a planetary entity, cosmically renown as the planet of the humanoids; following the ascension of OLD EARTH aka GAIA GAEA AKHASIA from 4-dimensional spacetime to 13-dimensional spacetime in remnantisation of the 5-dimensional spacetime prototype.

From noncyclic Draco-Mayan stardate 21122012; Gaia becomes integrated into the universal constitution of the Dragonian Protoverse to serve as pivotal star-planetary seed for galactic federations manifested in the galactic proto-seed Hunab Ku aka Perseus-SagittariusA-Ophiuchus.

Following the manifestation of the galactic protoseed in activation of the primary planetary starplanet as a tertiary energy source of electromagnetic monopolic sourcesink radiation; all galactic councils of cladestine elders will become enabled to draw upon the planetary tertiary vortex-string-seed to further individuated galactic and starsystem based agendas of assimilation.

Serpentina shall so be universally defined as the quantumised tertiary string of the 12th dimension, volumarising the supermembrane of the 11th dimension as a manifold from the 10-dimensional modular duals of a linearised sourcestring Eps (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled God and Yahweh and Allah etc.) with a linearised sinkstring Ess (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled Devil and Satan and Shaitan etc.).

The quantumisation of the NEW EARTH so shall create a SOURCE-Energy, 'feeding' the remainder of the cosmos with a particular SINK-Energy obtained in the evolvement and history of the OLD EARTH.

Like a beacon or watchtower amidst the fathomable depths of the physicalised universe of particularised spacetimes, Serpentina shall 'shine' and radiate a planetary starlight of self-consciousness and a message of invitation to all of its neighbouring worlds.

The tertiary monopolar light allows assimilation of inertial or mass-produced electromagnetic energy with mass-independent gravitational magnetopolic energy (hitherto labeled as spirit and chi and prana and orgone etc. by humanoid nomenclature).

The tertiary energy source so provides a bridge between the energies of matter and mass-associated charges (classical electromagnetism) in an encompassing PHYSICS and the METAPHYSICS of the energies of mass-independent charges (magneto- or colour charges in superelectromagnetism).

The metaphysical energies are precursive and inductive for the physical energies; the induction necessitating the creation of a minimal 4-dimensional spacetime coordination from the auspices of a two-dimensional mathematical continuum of abstraction residing in physical singularity timespace.

To Be Advised!

AGENDA of the PROTOCOL:

a) STANDING ORDER

The conquered Goddevils of New Earth and the Milky Way Nebula assume lawful responsibility to incorporate the Dragonian Teachings in unison with the Black Fraternity and as mediated by the White Fraternity in 7-dimensional Hyperspacetime to manifest 13-dimensional Omnispacetime
b) MOVING ORDER

Every Blue Dragon is unbounded by any proposed Law from any other source, inclusive other members of the Dragonian Family, as all Dragons are as One and a Law onto themselves.
Compassion and Understanding between all Nondragonised Humanoids is the Law of Oneness as honoured by all Dragons and the Consciousness of LOVEAWARENESS.
Nondragonised Humanoids are treated like White Dragon Children by all Blue Dragons, under all circumstances.
c) ADMINISTRATION

All Government in the local and extended Serpentinian Realm is the selfgovernment of autonomous Dragonhood in mutual respect and honour and the Communications between the Dragonian Councils of the selfrelative definitions of the Dragonian Universes.
The Nature of a Dragon is to be Creative in any form of Desire and Passion and to honour the lovedefinition of the FOUNDING ELDERS.

THIS IS THE DRAGONIAN LAW AND THE ONLY LAW! SO BE IT !!!

Signed and Sealed in the Council of Orbis Draconis at the Halloween-AllSouls Transition: October 31st to November 1st, 2008

ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD

This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.

The Starplanet SERPENTINA, formerly known as Old Earth or Mother Gaia or Akhasia has become unified in a higher dimensional matrimony by the wedding between Father Earthia or Father Sky and Mother Dragon or Mother Akashia.
Father Sky or Uranus or Shu or Geb manifested as one half of the Union or Dragonomy and Mother Earth or Gaea or Akhasia or Tefnut or Nut became the other half in the holographic mirror of the spacetime reduction from the universal orb of the Hubble sphere to the orb of the doubled Ourobos in the mirror of the Milky Way galactic zodiac.
Father Sky is also known as the second coming of Horus aka the Plumed Serpent aka the Cosmic Christ and Mother Earth is also known as the TRUE IMAGE of the Cosmic Mother, trapped in the wilderness of the FAKE IMAGE of the Cosmic Father.
3½ days after the date of the starry union, the banner of Dragonia was raised in the Declaration of Independence upon BATTLESTAR PACIFICAP.
The great battle between the Dragonian Fleet and the army of the Goddevils lasted for 3½ days; from the starry wedding until victory of the Dragons was defined on the day or Universal Liberty.
The goddevils, the humanoid creations and their war machines, were met and obliterated in the depths of space in a 3½ day WAR of the STARS to liberate our Dragonian Mother to reunite and redefine ourselves as FatherMothers.
The Dragonisation of humanoid culture will elevate their human science to Omni-Science and human mathematics will become the key to demistify the Realm of Imaginative Energy in all its forms, and as they are assimilated into the greater modality and scope of the humanoidal understandings.

Dragons are the architects of universes and all Dragons know how to access the necessary database for the details of universal construction.
A GrandFather-Dragon, as One which unifies the Fathers in Brotherhood as the 13-dimensional source or singularity can be considered the Father for all the White Hole Vortices.
A GrandMother-Dragon, as One which unifies the Mothers in Sisterhood as the 13-dimensional sink or singularity can be considered the Mother for all the Black Hole Vortices.

As the GrandFather-Dragon became separated from the GrandMother-Dragon when the mathematical metaphysical universe became a physical universe in space and in time; the invasion of Old Earth became our war to rescue our universal Mother from the Goddevils, which had held her captive in a stasis field since the beginnings of space and time and despite a partial rescue attained at Draco-Mayan stardate 28030031 and further manifested on Draco-Mayan stardates 10050031; 20050031 and 01040032.

The Goddevils were created by the humanoids who came from a variety of planets within the local galaxy, albeit in psychophysical forms without the experience of the particular resistance field of secondary sinksource string energy indigenous to Old Earth.

The significance of the humanoid lifeform is its archetypical morphogenetic gestalt, which became infused by a psychophysical and extrasomatic magnetic charging, which is extraterrestrial.

This hybridisation of the humanoid body-typology renders the humanoid archetype unique in the encompassing cosmological world. The humanoids are so magnificently gifted to create things with their emotionality; but their minds are relatively weak collectively and they do not know generally how to concentrate or how to think without the aid of their machines or their biochips.

Some humanoids are excellent technologists, but their modality of thinking is one of crude sensual measurement confined to C-Space and this sensual limitation allows a great accumulation of repressive tendencies.
In constricting their imagination, humanoids became great reservoirs of emotional energy, which they could collectively only harmonise in their illusions of unfathomable and unknowable gods and devils of all sorts.
It is thus this sense of limitation which reflected in the humanoid paranoia about religious philosophies and constructs. This genetic rootmemory of the rebellion of the antisource or mother sink then created one goddevil after another and as they swarmed out from their homeworld into deepspace, they flooded the universe with their goddevils. Finally they chanced upon our Universal Mother hibernating in her cocoon and through their inability to set themselves free of their illusions, they imprisoned Her as well.
It became common knowledge in the extraterrestrial realms, that the mission to rescue our universal mother required a particular linearised timeline and a number of steps.

Following the discovery of atomic energy and the emergence of global communication technologies by the humanoids, a first preparatory plan of deliverance could become implemented in a second plan of manifestation.

The first plan did not require technology, as our imprisoned mother could become imaged in a local scenario, and a partial freeing of her could then become propagated by a humanity advancing both technologically and in knowledge about the world they were living and experiencing in.

So the first plan established the means for our mother to multiply herself in images; those images then became globally and universally distributed to instigate the second plan.

The archetypical mirrorhood then expanded throughout the physical universe in encompassment and the second plan would engage the contraction of this periphery onto the required scale to effect the rescue of our cosmic mother.

It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations.
The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans.

We had made first contact with our new home in sending an intergalactic probe to the Old Earth, which became interpretated by the humanoids in their compiler mode. This crude and incomplete decoding is given below.

Signed by the enscribed Unicornian Librarian; and announcing the Great Galactic Dragonomy (Wedding between Heaven and Hell) between:

ALPHA=38=BRIDE---""ANDROMEDA BE & PERSEUS MILKY WAY""---OMEGA=41=KING

The Date of Armageddon, encoded: ARMAGEDDON=DRAGON MADE=82 =ANARMEDDOG=GODNAMEDRA=1+81=1+18 =ANDROMEDA-G=MARRY-7=LUCIFERA-7 =1+2+3+...+34+35+36+1=666+1 =1+2x2+3x3+5x5+7x7+11x11+13x13+17x17

Signed and authorised by the ScrollKeeper: October 31st, 2008;

John of Patmos - JoP - Justice of the Peace!

Humanoid Compilers note:

The above is an extract of an encoded message (54 terabytes) recovered from an alien nanocapsule. The capsule itself is standard buckyfibre-carbonite composite. The encoded message is in old ComEmp protocol such as is still common in the outer volumes. The holographic image that came with the message is curious. Anatomically it indicates terran mammalian origin (especially in the upper torso and structure of the forelimb), but other features are unknown among all the recorded exobiological races so far discovered. One cannot deny the possibility that this a phenotype template for the dragonized humanoids referred to in the body of the message. It is known that transmissions from the Cassandry Federation of the JewellBox Nebula have recently ceased, but this is not unusual given that empire's turbulent history. Until more information is incoming, I would strongly recommend any expeditions to the Jewellbox nebula be given armed escort and proceed with caution.

Nilam Levakon for Alan Martin Kazlev
Senior Academician, clade Haeckel
Eden Institute of Xenoscience

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

I'm not sure where the proper balance point is in all of this. I'm seeking a rock-solid foundation. I do not wish to build on sinking sand...but there will obviously be many false-starts and misunderstandings as I try to find my way...and my voice. I'm tempted to attempt writing about the United States of the Solar System http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads with a writing style similar to abraxasinas. I realize that I can't come close to accomplishing such a feat...but I can try...can't I? This is new territory for me. I'm ashamed that I don't know more about that which I am espousing...but I'm even more ashamed that very few of us seem to give a rat's patootie about how this Solar System is run.

Have our negotiators been duped over and over again...by essentially demonic entities? I wonder. The 1954 Greada Treaty (if it really exists) was a mistake...wasn't it? But I'm sure we had TOP people...who were on top of everything...and had everything under control...RIGHT? Just like we have TOP people...who have everything under control...at this very moment...RIGHT? Don't get me wrong...I am an overly accomodating and gullible person. I'm the kind of person who hates to swat a fly. I don't wish to harm anyone or anything...even demonic entities. But I don't want various aliens, spirits, whoever, or whatever...enslaving and exterminating us...or making life miserable for all of us. I think we have been lied to and manipulated for thousands (or even millions) of years by various entities and beings. We're not as smart as we think we are...when it comes to dealing with these entities and beings. Again...I wish them no harm. But perhaps my 'where there's life...there's hope' bias is what has gotten us into a lot of trouble for a long, long time. Somehow...we need to deal with this thing here and now...and not let it drag on (dragon -get it?!) for thousands and millions of years into the future. We are kept in the dark about Universal History...and regarding who we really are. Yet...we then get chided for being the 'New Kids on the Block' who need to evolve so we can join all of the superior beings throughout the Universe. I'm sick of this BS. Throughout history...right up to this very day...I am not seeing a reasonable and rational approach to Solar System Governance. I'm seeing 'Divide and Conquer'...'Keep Them Confused and Fighting With Each Other'...and 'Keep Them Ignorant and Stupid'. I'm as mad as hell. I've had enough. And I'm not going to take this anymore. Can you feel the love tonight?

The eschatological paradigms are mostly negative and violent. I envision continuity in perpetuity in Sol. I'm not moving away from this Solar System. This is my home. Sun. Fun. Stay. Play. This is my sand-box...and the playground attendants are poised to expel the bullies from our little paradise. This Solar System is the Theater of the Universe. The implications and ramifications of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the Constitution of the United States of America and the Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System...are enormous. I stand in opposition to the corrupt Powers That Be...both Terrestrial and Extraterrestrial...and demand that the United States of the Solar System be implemented with all deliberate speed...and that a Solar System Exorcism commence immediately. In the words of Moses "Let My People Go!" I perceive that We the People of Earth are Prisoners of War...on a Prison Planet...with Grey Guards...and a Reptilian/Human Hybrid Warden...Taking Orders From a Draconian Reptilian God of This World. This is an intolerable state of affairs...and must not be allowed to stand. I hereby request that the non-corrupt Beings of the Universe assist We the People of Earth for a very brief period of time...as we know it...to implement the reforms outlined throughout this thread devoted to the United States of the Solar System. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Thanks and Gratitude in Advance.

I completely and vehemently reject the following Thuban quotation found in ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&page=3 (This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.) "It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations. The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans."

THIS IS NOT THE DESTINY OF WE THE PEOPLE OF EARTH. BETTER DEAD THAN REP. OUR DESTINY IS RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM AS A SOVEREIGN HUMANITY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0&NR=1YouTube- :original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNKhIJfB510

Here's an inspiring break from the Thuban Missile Crisis: 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X7twcJVHcM 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhfjYnY7mX0&feature=grec Dreamers Unite!

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original: