Air France airbus goes down

[Steve_A]

Hi Everybody,

Just got word that an Air France Airbus went down off the Brazilian coast with 215 aboard. The flight number I believe is AF 447.

It was going from Rio de Janeiro to Paris and went off the radar over the sea.

Normally the air routes follow the coast until the Northeastern tip of Brazil and make a right to fly over Cabo Verde and on to the African coast where they follow the coast up to Europe.

The weather here in Recife is heavy rain and could be a factor.

It's not clear if the aeroplane went down before the 'right turn' or just after. When I get more news I will let you know.

Best regards,

Steve

[Avid]

Hi Everybody,

Just got word that an Air France Airbus went down off the Brazilian coast with 215 aboard. The flight number I believe is AF 447.

It was going from Rio de Janeiro to Paris and went off the radar over the sea.

Normally the air routes follow the coast until the Northeastern tip of Brazil and make a right to fly over Cabo Verde and on to the African coast where they follow the coast up to Europe.

The weather here in Recife is heavy rain and could be a factor.

It's not clear if the aeroplane went down before the 'right turn' or just after. When I get more news I will let you know.

Best regards,

Steve

Pray they'll be saved :tears::tears:

[Seth Haniel]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8076848.stm

[Steve_A]

Update:

The flight left Rio de Janeiro at around 7pm Sunday (10pm GMT).

The Brazilian airforce has already began searches starting from the Northeastern coast (where the plane makes a right turn) outbound.

Will update when I get more info.

218 people aboard.




Hi Everybody,

Just got word that an Air France Airbus went down off the Brazilian coast with 215 aboard. The flight number I believe is AF 447.

It was going from Rio de Janeiro to Paris and went off the radar over the sea.

Normally the air routes follow the coast until the Northeastern tip of Brazil and make a right to fly over Cabo Verde and on to the African coast where they follow the coast up to Europe.

The weather here in Recife is heavy rain and could be a factor.

It's not clear if the aeroplane went down before the 'right turn' or just after. When I get more news I will let you know.

Best regards,

Steve

[burgundia]

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/06/01/air.france.brazil/index.html

And a week ago I had a dream that, because of some turbulence, a plane crashed and all people died. In my dream there were also animals in the cargo, but maybe this was symbolic of something as in the cargo there were a tiger and a horse...

[burgundia]

The numbers are changing....
I didn't notice that post and put up the same information....

[Illumination]

Oh no. I hope you did not have any friends or family aboard, Steve.

[Seashore]

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/06/01/air.france.brazil/index.html

...in the cargo there were a tiger and a horse...

I don't see that in the article. Did that come from a different article?

[waitinginthewings]

How do they know the plane went down.....the article I read said 228 people on board including pilots, 7 children, and 1 baby.

[burgundia]

I don't see that in the article. Did that come from a different article?

No,no..... in my dreams there were those animals.....

[sleepingnomore]

It was reported that it just disappeared off radar.

[Steve_A]

Hi waitinginthewings,

There were 228 people on board including the crew which included 3 pilots and I beleive 7 cabin crew. I just relayed the information that I had at the time.

The plane probably went down as apparently the Brazilian airforce was asked to start a search three hours after the last contact with the flight. If the aeroplane is still up there, it would have appeared by now.

I said in my initialpost that the weather here was heavy rain (I live very close to Recife) and weather reports indicated heavy turbulence in the area at the time.

On 25th May, a flight going to Sâo Paulo from Miami struck heavy turbulence as it came over this region, so much turbulence that passengers were thrown up against the ceiling of the aircraft:

http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/cidades,dois-passageiros-feridos-no-voo-da-tam-continuam-internados,377256,0.htm

It seems that heavy weather is increasing over the South Atlantic. Watch out for the hurricanes up north!

Air France said that there was also an electrical fault reported and so this also could have contributed to the disappearance.

Best regards,

Steve




How do they know the plane went down.....the article I read said 228 people on board including pilots, 7 children, and 1 baby.

[Unified Serenity]

Hi waitinginthewings,

There were 228 people on board including the crew which included 3 pilots and I beleive 7 cabin crew. I just relayed the information that I had at the time.

The plane probably went down as apparently the Brazilian airforce was asked to start a search three hours after the last contact with the flight. If the aeroplane is still up there, it would have appeared by now.

I said in my initialpost that the weather here was heavy rain (I live very close to Recife) and weather reports indicated heavy turbulence in the area at the time.

On 25th May, a flight going to Sâo Paulo from Miami struck heavy turbulence as it came over this region, so much turbulence that passengers were thrown up against the ceiling of the aircraft:

http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/cidades,dois-passageiros-feridos-no-voo-da-tam-continuam-internados,377256,0.htm

It seems that heavy weather is increasing over the South Atlantic. Watch out for the hurricanes up north!

Air France said that there was also an electrical fault reported and so this also could have contributed to the disappearance.

Best regards,

Steve

Thank you for the update, I'm avoiding the news these days. I hope there are survivors, and am praying for all involved.

[burgundia]

In that dream the interior of the plane was all charred...

[Seashore]

In that dream the interior of the plane was all charred...

It is amazing that you had this dream...

[Dantheman62]

Air France Flight 447, an Airbus A330, left Rio on Sunday at 7 p.m. local time (2200 GMT, 6 p.m. EDT) with 216 passengers and 12 crew members on board, company spokeswoman Brigitte Barrand.

About four hours later, the plane sent an automatic signal indicating electrical problems while going through strong turbulence, Air France said.

The plane "crossed through a thunderous zone with strong turbulence" at 0200 GMT Monday (10 p.m. EDT Sunday). An automatic message was received fourteen minutes later "signaling electrical circuit malfunction."

Brazil's Air Force said the last contact it had with the Air France jet was at 0136 GMT (9:30 p.m. EDT Sunday), but did not say where the plane was then.

Brazil's air force was searching near the archipelago of Fernando de Noronha, about 300 kilometers (180 miles) northeast of the coastal city of Natal, a spokesman said, speaking on condition of anonymity in keeping with department policy.

The region is about 1,500 miles northeast of Rio.



Air France-KLM CEO Pierre-Henri Gourgeon, at a news conference at Charles de Gaulle Airport north of Paris, said the pilot had 11,000 hours of flying experience, including 1,700 hours flying this aircraft. No name was released.

"We are without doubt facing an air catastrophe," Gourgeon said. "At this time, the plane's fuel reserves would not permit it to still be in flight."

He said the plane was "very far" from Brazilian coast when last contact was made, without providing details.

Aviation experts said the risk the plane was brought down by lightning was slim.

"Lightning issues have been considered since the beginning of aviation. They were far more prevalent when aircraft operated at low altitudes. They are less common now since it's easier to avoid thunderstorms," said Bill Voss, president and CEO of Flight Safety Foundation, Alexandria, Va.

He said planes have specific measures built in to help dissipate electricity along the aircraft's skin.

"I cannot recall in recent history any examples of aircraft being brought down by lightning," he told The Associated Press.

Experts said the absence of a mayday call meant something happened very quickly.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/brazil_plane

[lemon_sky88]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/lt_brazil_plane

Alieans? Govt Conspiracy?:lightsabre:

[lemon_sky88]

The Brazilian military dispatched planes and ships to search for survivors. Among the 216 passengers on the Airbus A330 were seven children and a baby; the plane carried a crew of 12. The crash would be the first ever by an operational A330. "Modern airliners do not just go missing," an industry expert told Bloomberg. "They were en route and should have been fine." :nono:

[Dantheman62]

Check the News and Updates section. There's a couple threads on it there.

[burgundia]

In Poland they have interviewed a pilot and he said that sth quite unexpected must have happened there.....

[Dantheman62]

Lightning and Other Weather Threats to Airplanes,


The disappearance of an Air France jet that hit a patch of thunderstorms and lightning over the Atlantic Ocean last night raises questions about the aviation threats that natural hazards pose and just how dangerous they are.

Some officials have said a lightning strike could have disabled the plane. That would be a rare incident, though there are several other weather phenomena that pilots must be wary of. Following are some of these hazards, with an idea of just how much risk they hold for millions of flights around the globe each year:


Lightning


A handful of jets have been blown up by lightning, including a Pan American flight in 1963 that killed 83 people. But radar and other improvements in weather forecasting now make thunderstorms - and their lightning - easier to avoid.


In the early 1980s, NASA flew a jet into a thunderstorm on a test. It was hit 72 times in 45 minutes and gave scientists valuable data.


Commercial planes are still hit about once a year, research from the University of Florida has shown. A strike typically starts at a wingtip, nose or tail and courses through the aircraft's skin, which is often made of aluminum-a good conductor. Many strikes are initiated by the plane itself, and most occur during the climb to cruising altitude or descent and when the plane is in a cloud.


The plane's lights might flicker, but most of the energy just heads back into the sky if there are no gaps in the aircraft's skin.


Modern jets often employ advanced composite materials, which are not so conductive.


Another airborne threat can come when birds get sucked into a jet engine.



Turbulence


Turbulence is a more common problem - almost all airline passengers have likely experienced a bumpy ride at some point.


Turbulence is air movement that normally cannot be seen and often occurs unexpectedly. It can happen because of changes in air pressure, jet streams, waves created by the influence of mountains, cold or warm fronts, and thunderstorms. It can even occur when the sky is clear.


Turbulence can't always be predicted and radars can't detect it.


Turbulence is the leading cause of non-fatal in-flight injuries, according to the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, usually because passengers or crew aren't wearing seatbelts.


While turbulence may cause you to knock your head hard, it isn't likely to be fatal. From 1980 through June 2004, U.S. air carriers had 198 turbulence accidents, resulting in 266 serious injuries and three fatalities, according to the FAA.



Thunderstorms


Thunderstorms pose a risk to planes during the stormy summer season.

In general, the risk posed by thunderstorms is from the convective motion of the air within them, the powerful updrafts and downdrafts that can push a plane around, potentially damaging it or worse. (These drafts are one of the stronger forms of turbulence.)

There are dedicated forecasters who send minute-by-minute weather information to aircraft to help them avoid hazardous weather. Air traffic controllers also keep an eye on the weather in their area, to help in their effort to guide incoming and outgoing planes.

Radar can detect rotating air in storms which can indicate the potential presence of tornadoes.



Ice

In the winter, ice on the wings of planes can pose a significant risk (and a source of flight delays).

Icing occurs when supercooled water drops adhere to an aircraft wing and freeze (supercooled drops are liquid even though the temperature is below 32 degrees Fahrenheit, (0 degrees C). When ice builds up on the wings of an aircraft, it can simultaneously slow velocity and decrease lift, potentially sending a plane into a catastrophic dive, according to the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research.

Wing icing, which can occur in the air or on the ground as a craft waits for takeoff, has been the cause of many fatal aircraft crashes, including some involving airliners, though it is more of a hazard for commuter aircraft and other small planes. Icing causes dozens of accidents per year with smaller craft, a study by the National Transportation Safety Bureau found. An estimated 819 people died in accidents related to in-flight icing from 1982 to 2000, with most accidents occurring between the months of October and March, according to the same study.

In-flight icing downed the small plane carrying rock 'n' roll legends Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and The Big Bopper when their plane crashed soon after take-off from Mason City, Iowa, on February 3, 1959.

Different substances can be applied to plane wings to de-ice them before takeoff.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20090601/sc_livescience/lightningandotherweatherthreatstoairplanes

[burgundia]

Ok, so I'll tell you more details...
The plane went down because another huge, huge plane flew above it and caused a turbulence. then the plane spiralled down but to the earth, not the ocean. i also saw number 202 or 201, but in my dream it seemed that it was the flight number....The details are a bit different as you can see....
And after that dream i had a bad feeling.....

[Steve_A]

Hi Lemon_Sky,

Not really. I think it was severe turbulence that caused something to happen. The week before another plane almost didn't make it to Brazil, this time coming from Miami, over the same region because of turbulence. Passengers claimed they were literally thrown against the ceiling of the aircraft and that the turbulence happened 'de repente' (all of a sudden) without warning.

These days we are just beginning the winter season and tropical storms are common. It could be that these tropical storms are being a little more aggressive (extreme climate change?).

It would be interesting to know if the weather experts have any information on this theory.

Best regards,

Steve





http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/lt_brazil_plane

Alieans? Govt Conspiracy?:lightsabre:

[Illumination]

I agree, Steve. Turbulence happens and extraordinary storms are happening at an ever increasing clip. I hope this does not mean more Katrina type hurricanes for the Caribbean islands and the US southeast. I have family who live on the Atlantic seaboard very close to the coast and I live inland, but close enough to get the violent rains/tornadoes from these super storms.

Yes it's all part of the extreme climate change. Folks need to look at the big picture. "Global Warming" has been dropped for "extreme climate change" because of these circumstances. Cold winters are "weather" while long-term trends are "climate."

Some folks blame HAARP and the chemtrail program for these systems, but there are many scientists who say that isn't necessary because Mother Earth's own living system of cause and effect has been prodded with rising temperatures in the sea and air to create these devastating storms.

Just my 3 cents.

Best.






These days we are just beginning the winter season and tropical storms are common. It could be that these tropical storms are being a little more aggressive (extreme climate change?).

[mudra]

You are right about the turbulence.
This seems to be the case indeed.
My thoughts are with all these missing people and their families.
Always a sad thing.

Kindness
mudra

http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-06-01-voa27.cfmAir France Jet Missing After Hitting Storm Off Brazil
By VOA News
01 June 2009
An Air France passenger jet with more than 200 people on board has disappeared and is feared to have crashed off the coast of Brazil, after flying into strong tropical turbulence and probable lightning.

Authorities say Brazilian Air Force flight controllers last had contact with Flight 447 bound for Paris as it was leaving Brazilian airspace early Monday, 350 kilometers northeast of the coastal city of Natal, near the island of Fernando de Noronha.

In Paris, Air France said an automated alert shows the plane with 228 people on board then encountered storms and experienced a catastrophic systems failure before it was to have entered Senegalese airspace 50 minutes later.

Search operations are under way over the Atlantic, with elements of the Brazilian and French military searching a vast area of ocean described as three times larger than Europe.

[Brinty]

I read somewhere recently (within the last six months) that dreams contain verbs and nouns. The verbs are correct but the nouns are not necessarily correct.

In other words, nouns are things or objects or people. Verbs are actions. So, the events that happen in a dream are correct, but what, or who they happen to, is not always correct.

I only hope that in some of my weird dreams, the whole thing is incorrect. Although on one occasion I dived into a river (not at all likely in real life) and became wedged under a tree root below water. (A sound reason for not diving into rivers.) I was naturally holding my breath but in the end I had to breathe. I was astounded to find I could breathe under water. I'm not prepared to try it in real life just yet though. :original:

[Carol]

This is so tragic. All those families not knowing - yet knowing.

[Tango]

Nope..... I don't buy it... A 330 AirBus....

Better check those manifests people....

Smells like three day old fish in the Arizona Desert...

A, Old beat up C130 flies through hur a canes... Takes readings in eye also...

Pictures from space? A 330 will fly itself. Plasma weapon...? like 9/11; flt1549

Bankers.... Brokers..... Someone that needed to go away... "sniff " bio-lab?
workers... Who, knows, what evil lurks... These birds don't go down !

Trooly,



Tango

[sammytray]

Nope..... I don't buy it... A 330 AirBus....

Better check those manifests people....

Smells like three day old fish in the Arizona Desert...

A, Old beat up C130 flies through hur a canes... Takes readings in eye also...

Pictures from space? A 330 will fly itself. Plasma weapon...? like 9/11; flt1549

Bankers.... Brokers..... Someone that needed to go away... "sniff " bio-lab?
workers... Who, knows, what evil lurks... These birds don't go down !

Trooly,



Tango

I would have to agree with tango

[Steve_A]

Hi Everyone,

Just a quick update.

Unofficial reports coming from the Brazilian Air Force say that pilots from another airline (TAM) spotted orange coloured debris in the sea around 700 nautical miles east from the archipelago Fernando do Noronha.

Searches will continue when light permits.

Best regards,

Steve

[J_rod7]

*****

I just saw this myself last night (May 31, 2009) on the National Geographic channel. THIS is the reason that jet went down. Like running through an EMP (Electromagnetic Pulse, from a Nuclear blast) which scrambled all the plane's electronics. The "Fly-by-Wire" computer and radios, &c, all shut down.

WHY is this NOT in the Mainstream NEWS Media?

The South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly is a DANGEROUS region for any jet; it covers an area of several MILLION-SQUARE MILES between South America and Africa. -Rod
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> WARNING: SOUTH ATLANTIC MAGNETIC ANOMALY! <

I have just watched a National Geographic Naked Science 2008 updated episode, that showed the South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly (SAA) to be growing and becoming dangerous to life! Now as I search-engine the Internet, I can find 'no' written evidence of this updated episode!

******** Anomaly Introduction: *******

South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly (SAA) - Earth’s Magnetic Fading Shield December 14, 2008 •

The Earth has a magnetic field known as the magnetosphere, which protects us against harmful incoming solar/cosmic radiation.

The Earth’s core produces a geodynamo generated field energy, that originates from deep inside the Earth’s molten core. The turbulent motion from the active molten core creates electrical impulses, that transforms into magnetic lines of force, which extends well outside of Earth’s atmosphere.

The Earth’s magnetosphere is weakening, preparing to drop to zero, then invert polarity in a magnetic polar reversal. North becomes South, and positive charges become negatively charged within the Earth.

This is thought to be caused by convection currents within the molten core, due to the heating and cooling processes of the magma over an approximately 200,000 year time-frame.

During the time-period of polarity reversal, there shall be an increased surface exposure to intense and dangerous solar/cosmic radiation.

A set of satellite magnetic-map surveyors known as SWARM, are preparing to launch and circle the Earth with sensory data collectors, and map out Earth’s current magnetosphere.

This should assist in discovering weak magnetic locations, and allow officials to issue human health warnings for any particular region.

The Earth right now is experiencing a dangerous magnetic anomaly, and it is called the ‘South Atlantic Anomaly' (SAA). It is massive, growing, moving, and if it continues on its present projected course, then cosmic radiation will be coming closer in contact with Earth’s surface.

This is extremely dangerous to surface DNA lifeforms!

World governments are trying to decide whether to alert jet airliners, that are about to be traveling through these weak and compromised regions.

SWARM should be able to assist in these type of decisions.

http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/984719
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Satellite observations of enhanced energetic particle fluxes in the South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly (SAMA) region have been supported by ground-based observations of enhanced ionization induced by particle precipitation in the ionosphere over this region. Past observations using a variety of instruments such as vertical sounding ionosondes, riometers and VLF receivers have provided evidences of the enhanced ionization due to energetic particle precipitation in the ionosphere over Brazil. The extra ionization at E-layer heights could produce enhanced ionospheric conductivity within and around the SAMA region. The energetic particle ionization source that is operative even under “quiet” conditions can undergo significant enhancements during magnetospheric storm disturbances, when the geographic region of enhanced ionospheric conductivity can extend to magnetic latitudes closer to the equator where the magnetic field line coupling of the E and F regions plays a key role in the electrodynamics of the equatorial ionosphere.

Of particular interest are the sunset electrodynamic processes responsible for equatorial spread F/plasma bubble irregularity generation and related dynamics (zonal and vertical drifts, etc.). The SAMA represents a source of significant longitudinal variability in the global description of the equatorial spread F irregularity phenomenon. Recent results from digital ionosondes operated at Fortaleza and Cachoeira Paulista have provided evidence that enhanced ionization due to particle precipitation associated with magnetic disturbances, in the SAMA region, can indeed significantly influence the equatorial electrodynamic processes leading to plasma irregularity generation and dynamics.

Disturbance magnetospheric electric fields that penetrate the equatorial latitudes during storm events seem to be intensified in the SAMA region based on ground-based and satellite-borne measurements. This paper will review our current understanding of the influence of SAMA on the equatorial electrodynamic processes from the perspective outlined above.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VHB-4HG68C2-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=847351dfc99d03e150bacb56b015c9dd

*****

[Tango]

*****

I just saw this myself last night (May 31, 2009) on the National Geographic channel. THIS is the reason that jet went down. Like running through an EMP (Electromagnetic Pulse, from a Nuclear blast) which scrambled all the plane's electronics. The "Fly-by-Wire" computer and radios, &c, all shut down.

WHY is this NOT in the Mainstream NEWS Media?

The South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly is a DANGEROUS region for any jet; it covers an area of several MILLION-SQUARE MILES between South America and Africa. -Rod
-------------------------------------------------------------------

> WARNING: SOUTH ATLANTIC MAGNETIC ANOMALY! <

I have just watched a National Geographic Naked Science 2008 updated episode, that showed the South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly (SAA) to be growing and becoming dangerous to life! Now as I search-engine the Internet, I can find 'no' written evidence of this updated episode!

******** Anomaly Introduction: *******

South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly (SAA) - Earth’s Magnetic Fading Shield December 14, 2008 •

The Earth has a magnetic field known as the magnetosphere, which protects us against harmful incoming solar/cosmic radiation.

The Earth’s core produces a geodynamo generated field energy, that originates from deep inside the Earth’s molten core. The turbulent motion from the active molten core creates electrical impulses, that transforms into magnetic lines of force, which extends well outside of Earth’s atmosphere.

The Earth’s magnetosphere is weakening, preparing to drop to zero, then invert polarity in a magnetic polar reversal. North becomes South, and positive charges become negatively charged within the Earth.

This is thought to be caused by convection currents within the molten core, due to the heating and cooling processes of the magma over an approximately 200,000 year time-frame.

During the time-period of polarity reversal, there shall be an increased surface exposure to intense and dangerous solar/cosmic radiation.

A set of satellite magnetic-map surveyors known as SWARM, are preparing to launch and circle the Earth with sensory data collectors, and map out Earth’s current magnetosphere.

This should assist in discovering weak magnetic locations, and allow officials to issue human health warnings for any particular region.

The Earth right now is experiencing a dangerous magnetic anomaly, and it is called the ‘South Atlantic Anomaly' (SAA). It is massive, growing, moving, and if it continues on its present projected course, then cosmic radiation will be coming closer in contact with Earth’s surface.

This is extremely dangerous to surface DNA lifeforms!

World governments are trying to decide whether to alert jet airliners, that are about to be traveling through these weak and compromised regions.

SWARM should be able to assist in these type of decisions.

http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/984719
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Satellite observations of enhanced energetic particle fluxes in the South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly (SAMA) region have been supported by ground-based observations of enhanced ionization induced by particle precipitation in the ionosphere over this region. Past observations using a variety of instruments such as vertical sounding ionosondes, riometers and VLF receivers have provided evidences of the enhanced ionization due to energetic particle precipitation in the ionosphere over Brazil. The extra ionization at E-layer heights could produce enhanced ionospheric conductivity within and around the SAMA region. The energetic particle ionization source that is operative even under “quiet” conditions can undergo significant enhancements during magnetospheric storm disturbances, when the geographic region of enhanced ionospheric conductivity can extend to magnetic latitudes closer to the equator where the magnetic field line coupling of the E and F regions plays a key role in the electrodynamics of the equatorial ionosphere.

Of particular interest are the sunset electrodynamic processes responsible for equatorial spread F/plasma bubble irregularity generation and related dynamics (zonal and vertical drifts, etc.). The SAMA represents a source of significant longitudinal variability in the global description of the equatorial spread F irregularity phenomenon. Recent results from digital ionosondes operated at Fortaleza and Cachoeira Paulista have provided evidence that enhanced ionization due to particle precipitation associated with magnetic disturbances, in the SAMA region, can indeed significantly influence the equatorial electrodynamic processes leading to plasma irregularity generation and dynamics.

Disturbance magnetospheric electric fields that penetrate the equatorial latitudes during storm events seem to be intensified in the SAMA region based on ground-based and satellite-borne measurements. This paper will review our current understanding of the influence of SAMA on the equatorial electrodynamic processes from the perspective outlined above.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VHB-4HG68C2-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=847351dfc99d03e150bacb56b015c9dd

*****


NOPE !

A330 Re done it systems.... Find pieces.... You won't until there planted.... Doctors....? PHD's...? Studies...? Check w/families...
Can't YOU feel it... Wait; Wait; It was birds Right... LOL... That's what
it was, it was DEM birds that RIP engines off....


Trooly,


Tango

[J_rod7]

*****
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The South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly has become so intense recently, that the Hubble Telescope is now programmed to shut down it's electronics when it flies OVER this region. SO = WHY ARE AIRLINERS STILL FLYING THROUGH?

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[Humble Janitor]

I would say that until the actual plane is found, that we are only speculating.

However, anything's possible.

[iainl140285]

NOPE !

A330 Re done it systems.... Find pieces.... You won't until there planted.... Doctors....? PHD's...? Studies...? Check w/families...
Can't YOU feel it... Wait; Wait; It was birds Right... LOL... That's what
it was, it was DEM birds that RIP engines off....


Trooly,


Tango

I also read that a number of professionals were aboard Tango. Are you suggesting this is the route to research?:original:

A few of the passengers:

Pedro Luis de Orleans e Braganca - desendant of Brazilian emperior, Dom Pedro II
Eithne Walls - Irish Doctot
Aisling Butler - Irish Doctor
Jane Deasy - Irish Doctor
Ken Pearce + Arthur Coakley - Founding directors of PD&MS - an Aberdeen based oil company speciallising in technical support, engineering and project managment to the oil and gas industry. Working on platforms in Brazil.

This is just a small number of names currently available.

Please also note the name of the Airbus beacon system - ARGOS. ARAGO is a beacon/guide elsewhere also. Seek and ye shall find ...

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/674/arago.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

[Brinty]

Check this site out and see if you can make sense of the information - I couldn't.

http://mines.conference-services.net/resources/328/1322/pdf/IAGA2008_0005.pdf

[burgundia]

I also read that a number of professionals were aboard Tango. Are you suggesting this is the route to research?:original:

I think that when we know who died we can start going deeper...

[burgundia]

ARGOS....a lot of associations....the best way is to check Wikipedia.

[iainl140285]

ARGOS....a lot of associations....the best way is to check Wikipedia.

Check ARAGO.

[iainl140285]

"Ken Pearce + Arthur Coakley - Founding directors of PD&MS - an Aberdeen based oil company speciallising in technical support, engineering and project managment to the oil and gas industry. Working on platforms in Brazil."


Flight 447 =
4=D
4=D
7=G

DDG = ProShares Short Oil & Gas
List of related companies:

http://www.google.co.uk/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:DDG

[burgundia]

I found only a few Frenchmen by this name....

[burgundia]

"Ken Pearce + Arthur Coakley - Founding directors of PD&MS - an Aberdeen based oil company speciallising in technical support, engineering and project managment to the oil and gas industry. Working on platforms in Brazil."


Flight 447 =
4=D
4=D
7=G

DDG = ProShares Short Oil & Gas
List of related companies:

http://www.google.co.uk/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:DDG

447 could be 87. According to 777 it means something but I forgot what.

[iainl140285]

I found only a few Frenchmen by this name....

French is a link - this was an Air France flight. :original:

[burgundia]

The last radar contact with the plane was at 3:33 of central European Time ( used also in France). Airbus 330......, 350 km from the shore......

[Steve_A]

Hi Everybody,

Another update.

Orange coloured objects seen by the TAM pilots could have been small surface fires on the sea from the wreckage.

There are uncomfirmed reports from a Ham Radio enthusiast who has communication with the Brazilian Air Force pilots who are searching for the downed plane that a possible seat, querosene slick and debris couldhave been spotted 720km east north east of Fernando de Noronha.

The Brazilian Air Force has not yet confirmed this information.

When I get more I will let you know.

Best regards,

Steve



Update: The Brazilian Air Force said that although they cannot confirm the report I have just posted, there are "strong indications" that the area being observed could very well be the focal point of the crash of the Air France Airbus.

French is a link - this was an Air France flight. :original:

[Tango]

"Ken Pearce + Arthur Coakley - Founding directors of PD&MS - an Aberdeen based oil company speciallising in technical support, engineering and project managment to the oil and gas industry. Working on platforms in Brazil."


Flight 447 =
4=D
4=D
7=G

DDG = ProShares Short Oil & Gas
List of related companies:

http://www.google.co.uk/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:DDG

***BINGO***

Now if you tell me the HIT time was 3's. 3:00 PM 3:03 PM 3:30 PM 3:33PM

* * *flt 1549 was hit by a plasma at 3:33 PM had bankers aboard * * *
Ripped the right engine off... Any other flights in the area; R & D flights
from a ' Contractor '.... flt 1549 Good xample...


Look for the SIGNS... YEP... Oil companies would be a great " SIGN "...

The Controllers would want to 'hush' someone in oil... Important to know
what oil workers were working on... And WHO were they working for when
the A 330 went down... " Contracts in place at time of death..." IS KEY...

Space Based Weapons ' They have them flying too, Also... in airplanes...

You'll find out abt the plasma weapons shortly, a few years...

You need to find out what and who was flying also within 100 miles of this
flight... Could be a warning " We control YOU... " Like flt 1549... to others.

Trooly,


Tango

My numbers are 396... they are all over my life... also a Triangle...

[Steve_A]

Hi Everyone,

Another latest:

The Brazilian Airforce said they had found several pieces in the sea that could be related to the downed aircraft, however, these pieces were up to 60km apart.

If all the pieces are confirmed to come from the Airbus, would that mean it exploded in mid air? Would it mean that strong currents seperated the objects?

Of course we can't rule out the possibility that the objects are not related and some are form the plane and others could be rubbish dumped in to the sea from a ship.

I will keep you informed as I get more.

Best regards,

Steve

[iainl140285]

***BINGO***

Now if you tell me the HIT time was 3's. 3:00 PM 3:03 PM 3:30 PM 3:33PM

* * *flt 1549 was hit by a plasma at 3:33 PM had bankers aboard * * *
Ripped the right engine off... Any other flights in the area; R & D flights
from a ' Contractor '.... flt 1549 Good xample...


Look for the SIGNS... YEP... Oil companies would be a great " SIGN "...

The Controllers would want to 'hush' someone in oil... Important to know
what oil workers were working on... And WHO were they working for when
the A 330 went down... " Contracts in place at time of death..." IS KEY...

Space Based Weapons ' They have them flying too, Also... in airplanes...

You'll find out abt the plasma weapons shortly, a few years...

You need to find out what and who was flying also within 100 miles of this
flight... Could be a warning " We control YOU... " Like flt 1549... to others.

Trooly,


Tango

My numbers are 396... they are all over my life... also a Triangle...

Here is your 3s:

" the Airbus 330 crashed into the ocean about three hours into the overnight flight. "

“Modern airliners do not just go missing,” David Learmount, safety editor at Flight International magazine in London.

Those that do, without warning at high altitude, have usually been blown up or shot down.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/flight-447-vanished-without-warning/article1162634/

[burgundia]

Here is your 3s:

" the Airbus 330 crashed into the ocean about three hours into the overnight flight. "

“Modern airliners do not just go missing,” David Learmount, safety editor at Flight International magazine in London.

Those that do, without warning at high altitude, have usually been blown up or shot down.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/flight-447-vanished-without-warning/article1162634/

i wrote in a post above that the contact was lost at 3:33 CET ( so in France it was 3:33)And the plane left Brazil on 31 May, Pentecoste.

[Tango]

You people Are sooo smart... All of you... I told you; You were Smarter than

they are.... The FEAR goes away when you USE your consiousness... Look

through the matrix... THEY, and you know the THEY are... are Powerless

Against you...

THEY want to start counting YOUR weapons....? You better start counting
THEIR weapons... every missile; airplane; chopper; rocket; UAV; ownership;
manufacturer; location; each use.... Parent Corporations



Problem.... Reaction.... Solution.....


We know the Problem..... " We will control you..."

Think People... Consiousness... " Is the Right Reaction "

The Solution...... " Contractor Full Accountability "
[vendors....]


Might want to go back and listen to watt Milt Cooper kept saying...


message to the families of this 187...

" I'm sooo sorry for your loss, our heart goes out to each and every one of
you. The consious people of the world feel your PAIN... We will do all we
can for you... You, also may help with information you may have. Love."


Trooly,



Tango

[Dantheman62]

BRASILIA, Brazil – Brazilian military pilots spotted an airplane seat, a life jacket, metallic debris and signs of fuel in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on Tuesday as they hunted for a missing Air France passenger jet that carried 228 people. They found no signs of life.

The pilots spotted two areas of floating debris about 60 kilometers (35 miles) apart, about 410 miles (650 kilometers) beyond the Brazilian island of Fernando de Noronha, roughly along Flight 447's path from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, said Air Force spokesman Jorge Amaral.

"The locations where the objects were found are toward the right of the point where the last signal of the plane was emitted," Amaral said. "That suggests that it might have tried to make a turn, maybe to return to Fernando de Noronha, but that is just a hypothesis."

Amaral said authorities would not be able to confirm that the debris is from the plane until they can retrieve some of it from the ocean for identification. Brazilian military ships are not expected to arrive at the area until Wednesday.

The discovery came more than 24 hours after the jet went missing, with all feared dead.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/brazil_plane

[Tango]

BRASILIA, Brazil – Brazilian military pilots spotted an airplane seat, a life jacket, metallic debris and signs of fuel in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on Tuesday as they hunted for a missing Air France passenger jet that carried 228 people. They found no signs of life.

The pilots spotted two areas of floating debris about 60 kilometers (35 miles) apart, about 410 miles (650 kilometers) beyond the Brazilian island of Fernando de Noronha, roughly along Flight 447's path from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, said Air Force spokesman Jorge Amaral.

"The locations where the objects were found are toward the right of the point where the last signal of the plane was emitted," Amaral said. "That suggests that it might have tried to make a turn, maybe to return to Fernando de Noronha, but that is just a hypothesis."

Amaral said authorities would not be able to confirm that the debris is from the plane until they can retrieve some of it from the ocean for identification. Brazilian military ships are not expected to arrive at the area until Wednesday.

The discovery came more than 24 hours after the jet went missing, with all feared dead.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/brazil_plane


Plot Google Earth location... Long & Lat... Target area... other flights

locations.... Chemtrails....? HAARP.....? UAAV....


THIS IS A HIT...... SIGNS....


Trooly,


Tango

[Tango]

In that dream the interior of the plane was all charred...


Look inside your dream for " Detail "... Great Gift... Look for confirmation...

in reports of anything you have caught... Look " Finite "




Tango

[judykott]

http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm
Bot Project: The Word "Weird" Comes to Mind

While we await the return of the predictive linguistics reports on June 21st (or around in there) I can't tell you how many readers have written asking if the missing plane/disappearance of the Air France flight over the Atlantic with 228 people on board meets or met the prediction in the ALTA (Asymmetric Language Trend Analysis) reports out of www.halfpasthuman.com around the concept of missing/vanishing celebrities which was expected over the course of summer.



The answer is complicated, so bear with me:



First point to make is that the whole "disappearances" meme (*a thought virus or propagating idea in the MSM) was explained in ALTA 1309 this way:

"The data sets continue to grow for [disappearances], with an increasing frequency of [reporting] of such over Summer from mid May onward. A number of the [disappearances], are also indicated to be [occurring] in Summer."

Apparently, the 'disappears' meme is going to be persistent for the next few months, since in ALTA 1109 (February 7 ALTA Report) it was described this way:

"In other words, the events of Spring/Summer of 2009 relative to the [disappearances] meme will repeat in a manifestation of a larger, related meme in late Fall and early Winter of 2009."

Since January (ALTA 1109 - Part 4) - January 31, 2009) there's been an expectation that (in general) we'd see all kinds of 'disappearing' being done this year, with perhaps the odd suicide (yup) and then this description of what would have been a perfect fit:

"There are still accruing values in support of at least 1/one instance of a [very rich person] going [missing] with their entire [crew of bodyguards/entourage]. This incident is not indicated until later in the year, perhaps mid [summer], and will follow a series of [disappearances] which will prompt the [increased visibility of groups of bodyguards] around these [key minions] and TPTB members. Several of these incidents of [disappearances] are forecast to involve [yachts] of some size, and in an early report, a case of the [disappearance] of the people, leaving behind the [boat] will be brought forward."

All of which gets us to a curious point about linguistics: You may remember that the predictive linguistics were previously a bit off prior to the space shuttle disaster. In that particular case, the linguistics had made references to a 'maritime disaster' and 'gem of the ocean'. As history unfolded, we learned that the 'gem of the ocean' linguistic was an archetypical reference to the "Columbia" and further, that the 'maritime disaster' was a 'space ship.'



Time monks are, of course aware of - and working on such issues. The news event that would have fit much more closely than the Air France event would have been a 'Hollywood' or 'rich Middle East' yacht going 'Mary Celeste'. In other words, being found at sea with no one aboard.



Still, something like the discovery of the Air France jet and 50 people/bodies would give us some 'fill' on the expectations, but that would leave a lot more to come as the year goes on. And higher profile people and the entourages.



You can see how the linguistics can make air (or space) and ocean mistake -- especially when you're looking at a future event 6-months in advance - when you see headline like this one in the Washington post this morning. "Airliner Leaves Mystery in its Wake."



Notice how "wake" is used? It's got one definition that is equivalent to the term 'aftermath'. But in a nautical sense a 'wake' is the waves left behind a boat. Air ships and space ships and archetype imagery that describes waves/sinking is right next door in the lexicon to turbulence/crashing; such is the stock and trade of being a time monk.



No worries, though. What we're doing is not an accepted piece of academia - we're so far out on the bleeding edge of computational linguistics it's not even funny. Besides, if your healthy skepticism makes you deny that large groups of communicating humans presage the future /leaks the future in their conversations, then fine - we understand the defense mechanism and how denial works. Just keep taking them blue pills. We're hooked on these red ones.



(*This is all copyright stuff reproduced here with exclusive permission and any reposting of this requires a link to the www.halfpasthuman.com site and this page as well...thank you for playing nicely.)



We oughta get more sense of this around the June 21 start of the $10-weekly sales of individual reports which yeah, I can't hardly wait for either.

---

[mudra]

The 228 people on an Air France flight that disappeared over the Atlantic this morning are now presumed dead—possibly the victim of a lightning strike. Aviation expert Clive Irving on why that’s the most troubling theory of all.

...No airline crash has been caused by lightning in more than 40 years. And before this, no passenger has ever been lost on an Airbus A330. And so if in some way Flight 447 became a victim of an unsuspected vulnerability to electrical storms, this will present investigators with a challenge unlike any before...

Read 7 theories on what happened to Flight 447

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-01/did-lightning-doom-flight-447/

Kindness
mudra

[Tango]

The 228 people on an Air France flight that disappeared over the Atlantic this morning are now presumed dead—possibly the victim of a lightning strike. Aviation expert Clive Irving on why that’s the most troubling theory of all.

...No airline crash has been caused by lightning in more than 40 years. And before this, no passenger has ever been lost on an Airbus A330. And so if in some way Flight 447 became a victim of an unsuspected vulnerability to electrical storms, this will present investigators with a challenge unlike any before...

Read 7 theories on what happened to Flight 447

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-01/did-lightning-doom-flight-447/

Kindness
mudra


Heavy airplanes are grounded..... Static wics... Trailing edges... Go look;

just the 'first' NEWS reports are reliable. After that the spin of MSM...


Trooly,



Tango

[Dantheman62]

1. CAUSES AND RESULTS OF ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE TO AIRPLANE SYSTEMS
Critical and essential airplane systems are vulnerable to damage from environmental factors. These include lightning strikes, HIRF, moisture, extreme change in pressure, extreme range of temperature, vibration, and shock.


2. MITIGATION OF DAMAGE TO AIRPLANE SYSTEMS


If electronic equipment needs to be operated in a region subject to changing electromagnetic fields, and if the currents generated by these fields are considered harmful, the recommended approach to mitigating the harmful effects is to shield and ground the electronic equipment and the interconnecting wiring. As a result, electrical currents generated by lightning or HIRF then circulate through the equipment enclosure to ground without affecting internal circuitry. This enclosure practice extends to interconnecting wiring through the use of cable shielding; that is, the shield is the enclosure that is grounded. Other damage mitigation considerations include the location of the equipment and wiring, use of effective wiring, use of good grounding practices, and building equipment to withstand transients. All these tactics are incorporated into the design of Boeing airplanes and the installed equipment.



3. SHIELDING SYSTEM CONCEPTS AND TESTING
Shields perform other functions beyond providing lightning and HIRF protection. A well-known example is low-frequency hum on airplane audio circuits usually traceable to the 400-Hz power system. The traditional solution is to install a shield and ground it at one end, which has proved to be very effective against this type of low-frequency interference. Grounding the shield at both ends is typical for lightning protection, but this tactic was found to be ineffective against the low-frequency hum. One of the effects of a lightning strike is the generation of changing electromagnetic fields inside the airplane hull. These fields are at much higher frequencies than the 400-Hz power interference. Under such conditions, shields grounded at only one end might not be effective. In some cases this can also result in the shield acting as an antenna, thus making the surge voltages even larger than they would be if the conductors were unshielded.


4. LOOP RESISTANCE TESTER DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION
To avoid encountering these circumstances during resistance testing, Boeing developed the LRT to provide a nonintrusive testing technique that will not disturb connectors, is faster, and will ensure the soundness of the overall circuit.

To properly use the LRT and achieve the best results possible, maintenance personnel should understand the following about the device: LRT elements, LRT technique, loop troubleshooting, joint mode, sensing of coupler closure and joint probe connection, maintenance requirements, safety features, and calibration and certification.


There's a lot more at this link! http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_10/loop_story.html

[Tango]

1. CAUSES AND RESULTS OF ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE TO AIRPLANE SYSTEMS
Critical and essential airplane systems are vulnerable to damage from environmental factors. These include lightning strikes, HIRF, moisture, extreme change in pressure, extreme range of temperature, vibration, and shock.


2. MITIGATION OF DAMAGE TO AIRPLANE SYSTEMS


If electronic equipment needs to be operated in a region subject to changing electromagnetic fields, and if the currents generated by these fields are considered harmful, the recommended approach to mitigating the harmful effects is to shield and ground the electronic equipment and the interconnecting wiring. As a result, electrical currents generated by lightning or HIRF then circulate through the equipment enclosure to ground without affecting internal circuitry. This enclosure practice extends to interconnecting wiring through the use of cable shielding; that is, the shield is the enclosure that is grounded. Other damage mitigation considerations include the location of the equipment and wiring, use of effective wiring, use of good grounding practices, and building equipment to withstand transients. All these tactics are incorporated into the design of Boeing airplanes and the installed equipment.



3. SHIELDING SYSTEM CONCEPTS AND TESTING
Shields perform other functions beyond providing lightning and HIRF protection. A well-known example is low-frequency hum on airplane audio circuits usually traceable to the 400-Hz power system. The traditional solution is to install a shield and ground it at one end, which has proved to be very effective against this type of low-frequency interference. Grounding the shield at both ends is typical for lightning protection, but this tactic was found to be ineffective against the low-frequency hum. One of the effects of a lightning strike is the generation of changing electromagnetic fields inside the airplane hull. These fields are at much higher frequencies than the 400-Hz power interference. Under such conditions, shields grounded at only one end might not be effective. In some cases this can also result in the shield acting as an antenna, thus making the surge voltages even larger than they would be if the conductors were unshielded.


4. LOOP RESISTANCE TESTER DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION
To avoid encountering these circumstances during resistance testing, Boeing developed the LRT to provide a nonintrusive testing technique that will not disturb connectors, is faster, and will ensure the soundness of the overall circuit.

To properly use the LRT and achieve the best results possible, maintenance personnel should understand the following about the device: LRT elements, LRT technique, loop troubleshooting, joint mode, sensing of coupler closure and joint probe connection, maintenance requirements, safety features, and calibration and certification.


There's a lot more at this link! http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_10/loop_story.html


No disrespect intended here...

Boeing<------------->AirBus Apples Oranges


Airplanes [big ones] ARE grounded... They Fly relative to the wind...

I guess we will see; what we will SEE....

So, every airplane in the area at 40,000 ft. should have gone down....

Sorry, I'll back out, let it alll play out... People, better start opening yor

EYE.....


Warning: Your going to be " Lied to..."


Trooly,



Tango

[Steve_A]

Hi Tango,

Although i'm not sure about every aeroplane should have gone down (on the day of the accident there was extreme conditions - see first post) I am concerned about the 60km spread of debris. Once again I ask myself if 24 hours on the high seas could drift debris so far apart?

The French are sending two mini subs to the area to comb the sea floor to try and find the 'black boxes' and I think the US are offering to help also.

As for being lied to, well that's another question. It wouldn't be the first time and we could be forgiven in thinking there would be a next time.

Best regards,

Steve



No disrespect intended here...

Boeing<------------->AirBus Apples Oranges


Airplanes [big ones] ARE grounded... They Fly relative to the wind...

I guess we will see; what we will SEE....

So, every airplane in the area at 40,000 ft. should have gone down....

Sorry, I'll back out, let it alll play out... People, better start opening yor

EYE.....


Warning: Your going to be " Lied to..."


Trooly,



Tango

[Steve_A]

Hi Everyone,

Latest update:

The local news is saying that Air France received a bomb threat in Buenos Aires airport in Argentina four days before the Air France plane went down travelling between Rio de Janeiro and Paris.

The debris was scattered for around 60km. Could the sea have scattered the debris so much overnight, or are the two incidents related?

If the authorities think foul play is involved they would have to investigate all the people who were on the flight, like for example one of the passengers who was foreign relations officer for Petrobras, company which is scandal ridden and under investigation by the Brazilian authorities.

Let's see what happens....

Best regards,

Steve

[burgundia]

Now there is a new theory. There was no fire, no explosion on board. The plane simply came apart in midair.

[J_rod7]

*******
***
*

Well guys, all "conspiracy theories" aside, the FACTS still remain on the South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly (SAMA).

This means that the Earth's magnetic Field strength has dropped by several orders of magnitude. Which MEANS that huge IONIZATION potentials are penetrating to the Earth over the Ocean there.

This may be a prelude to a rapid "flip" of the Earths Poles - North becomes South and Vise-versa.

Pole flip or not, the area, several MILLION square miles between South America and Africa, has become DANGEROUS for Airlines.

Airplanes of ANY size, whatever, once they lose all electronics, do not continue to fly.

Some people may think that if all the engines shut down,
they would be stuck up there. :naughty:

Gravity says otherwise. :thumbdown:

It is sad to see such loss of lives, but this should be a serious "WAKE-UP" call.

*
***
*******

[iainl140285]

*******
***
*

Well guys, all "conspiracy theories" aside, the FACTS still remain on the South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly (SAMA).

This means that the Earth's magnetic Field strength has dropped by several orders of magnitude. Which MEANS that huge IONIZATION potentials are penetrating to the Earth over the Ocean there.

This may be a prelude to a rapid "flip" of the Earths Poles - North becomes South and Vise-versa.

Pole flip or not, the area, several MILLION square miles between South America and Africa, has become DANGEROUS for Airlines.

Airplanes of ANY size, whatever, once they lose all electronics, do not continue to fly.

Some people may think that if all the engines shut down,
they would be stuck up there. :naughty:

Gravity says otherwise. :thumbdown:

It is sad to see such loss of lives, but this should be a serious "WAKE-UP" call.

*
***
*******

Possibly.
Wouldnt this effect flights flying the same route prior to and after the missing flight?

[burgundia]

Sol Invictus about planes falling from the sky.....do you remember?

[waitinginthewings]

*******
***
*

Well guys, all "conspiracy theories" aside, the FACTS still remain on the South Atlantic Magnetic Anomaly (SAMA).

This means that the Earth's magnetic Field strength has dropped by several orders of magnitude. Which MEANS that huge IONIZATION potentials are penetrating to the Earth over the Ocean there.

This may be a prelude to a rapid "flip" of the Earths Poles - North becomes South and Vise-versa.

Pole flip or not, the area, several MILLION square miles between South America and Africa, has become DANGEROUS for Airlines.

Airplanes of ANY size, whatever, once they lose all electronics, do not continue to fly.

Some people may think that if all the engines shut down,
they would be stuck up there. :naughty:

Gravity says otherwise. :thumbdown:

It is sad to see such loss of lives, but this should be a serious "WAKE-UP" call.

*
***
*******

Assuming your theory is correct.....yes, it is a big wake up call. But sophisticated weapons could also suddenly blow the plane out of the sky. I believe we will never be told the truth about what happened to that plane. If this happens, I'll know it was deliberately brought down. Very strange how it happened in an area with such anomalies, and such deep waters far out in the ocean. Everything falls to the bottom, no evidence to be found. Any pieces they are currently talking about could be planted there just like the twin towers. We will never know the truth. I think Tango is onto to something with the "plasma weapons":rip_1:

[Unified Serenity]

What about the bomb threats Air France received over in Rio before the flight took off? I think it was Rio.

[burgundia]

What about the bomb threats Air France received over in Rio before the flight took off? I think it was Rio.

I think it was in Argentina.....

[Steve_A]

Hi burgundia,

Yes you are right, it was Argentina, four days before the flight that dissappeared.

I have always thought it was a bomb as the wreckage was spread for a large area. Today the Brazilian Air Force found wreckage 200km NORTH of Fernando de Noronha! The other wreckage was at least 650 NORTHEAST of the archipelago.

Today another interesting detail is that a pilot of Spanish airline Air Comet saw a "strong and intense white light which took a downward and vertical descent". The bright flash lasted for around six seconds.

http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/geral,piloto-espanhol-diz-ter-visto-clarao-perto-de-onde-caiu-o-af447,382210,0.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/06/04/plane.crash/?iref=mpstoryview

Of course Air France is denying the fact that there was a bomb despite the fact that they don't know what actually happened. How can they rule out a bomb if they don't know for sure what happened?

It's clear that Air France has learnt after what happened to the Pan Am airline after the Lockerbie incident.

Best regards,

Steve



I think it was in Argentina.....

[Unified Serenity]

I think it was in Argentina.....

Thanks :original:

[burgundia]

if the debris is scattered over such a vast area, other pilots saw light or flames and everything happened so quickly, so I think there must have been some kind of "hit", but I have no idea what kind...

[Illumination]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8085539.stm

These paragraphs struck me as very unusual. Maybe this is a common occurrence for jets taking off over oceans with storms, but I've never heard of this.

"Meteorologists say that the Air France Flight 447 had entered an unusual storm with 100mph (160km/h) updrafts that sucked water up from the ocean.
As the moisture reached the plane's high altitude it quickly froze in -40C temperatures. The updrafts would also have created dangerous turbulence, they say."

[Unified Serenity]

My BS meter is pegging the red zone. I think this is possibly a false flag meant to cause more fear for people traveling or who have loved ones traveling. It's also a point to note who was on that plane, anyone of scientific or intelligence importance?

I think we were meant to believe the debris was from Air France and the Brazilian military blew that cover story. I've done some R/S on this topic and though R/S is questionable, it does indicate there is a cover-up. Plus the retired NTSB guy with the funky snake eyes is a good indicator that this was not just a "Plane crash". My father flew 747 and L1011 and it makes no sense for them to have flown into that storm.

I will continue to watch and see. Maybe I will find some audio of the subs being sent and R/S that. I used to speak French rather well, so maybe I can follow it if the R/S turns out to be French.

*NOTE* It would be great if we had 1 thread on the Air France crash.

[Newshound]

A French nuclear submarine is being sent to help find an Air France jet which disappeared over the Atlantic.

More... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/americas/8085539.stm)

[Swanny]

I bet somebody out there knows where the plane is

[waitinginthewings]

Investigators are now saying that the pieces of the debris they found are not from Flight 447................................"On Thursday night, Brazil's military announced that despite earlier reports to the contrary, pieces of debris pulled out of the ocean Thursday were not from the missing plane. Brazil authorities still believe they have located parts of the plane -- including a 23-foot chunk of plane, an airline seat and several large brown and yellow pieces that likely came from inside the plane, military officials said -- but they have not pulled them out of the ocean."..................

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/International/story?id=7762916&page=1

Ah....the plot thickens:mad3:

[Unified Serenity]

Investigators are now saying that the pieces of the debris they found are not from Flight 447................................"On Thursday night, Brazil's military announced that despite earlier reports to the contrary, pieces of debris pulled out of the ocean Thursday were not from the missing plane. Brazil authorities still believe they have located parts of the plane -- including a 23-foot chunk of plane, an airline seat and several large brown and yellow pieces that likely came from inside the plane, military officials said -- but they have not pulled them out of the ocean."..................

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/International/story?id=7762916&page=1

Ah....the plot thickens:mad3:

sits in the back of the news conference, *coughbull****coughcough*

[Tango]

To the agents working the PC & PA Sites..... And, this thread....

How many hours of flight; DO YOU HAVE as PIC...

Have You flown the route that You are spinning yor yarn...?

Such a weapon shows No Light or shaft of light... No Fire...

'The Target will turn to dust...' So, you people are informed...

A " Black Box " is really Brite, Brite Orange, further has a beacon
sending a signal which would last a long time... FYI, I waited

to post this info. To see how far the B.S. would go...

NTSB people already know this... Aviators know this...

40,000 Ft., that's over storm tops... Other Aircraft reports

would be nice, if truthful... Becareful what you listen to...




Trooly,


Tango

[777 The Great Work]

How do they know the plane went down.....the article I read said 228 people on board including pilots, 7 children, and 1 baby.

Now we got solar flares on 822 :lmao:

[judykott]

Search for Air France Flight 447 Reveals Astonishing Pollution of World's Oceans
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

(NaturalNews) The most alarming piece of news this week emerged when investigators of the doomed Air France flight 447 announced they had found "floating debris" from the plane crash, but it turned out to be only floating trash in the ocean. This is, all by itself, a disturbing commentary on the pollution of the world's oceans: When investigators can't find a plane crash in the ocean because there's already too much trash floating on the surface, we have a problem with pollution.

It's as if they went out to find a plane crash, but ended up discovering that our oceans look like a train wreck. Had they peeked under the surface of the water, they might have found untreated dry cleaning chemicals from a cruise ship, raw feces from a military vessel and tiny bits of plastic that pose an extreme risk to marine life.

With this, air travel investigators learned an important lesson: Just because debris is floating in the ocean doesn't mean a plane crashed there. It could just mean humans are destroying the planet. While 228 passengers sadly died in a tragic air travel accident, we might all die if we don't stop polluting our fragile ecosystems with endless trash.

(If investigators followed the line of debris, of course, it would lead them straight to the nearest port where ocean liners and military ships would be found several thousand pounds lighter due to all the garbage and sewage they dumped in the ocean before anchoring. The U.S. military, in particular, treats the world's oceans like a giant toilet, dumping trash, sewage and dangerous chemicals directly into the waters.)

What's really crashing is much bigger than one plane
Getting back to flight 447, investigators first announced they had "without a doubt" found wreckage from the flight. And what, exactly, had they spotted? A wooden pallet!

Did they think flight 447 was a Wright Brothers airplane? Who spots an intact wooden pallet and concludes they're looking at the wreckage of a modern-day airplane? Did they really think an entire plane (made out of metal) was destroyed, but a fragile wooden pallet somehow emerged from the crash unscathed?

An oil slick was also spotted near the area where the plane went missing, and investigators initially thought that was from the downed Air France flight. But it turns out it was just another random petrochemical slick from a passing ship that dumps toxic liquids into the ocean. Nothing to see here, move along... move along.

Several French submarines are apparently en route to the suspected crash site, where they hope to explore the depths of the ocean floor, looking for clues. While they might not find clues, I can tell you a few things they will find: Old decomposing Coca-Cola cans swaying with the current along the ocean floor, plastic bottle caps bobbing in the water, and ghost town dead zones where there used to be thriving marine ecosystems. This, of course, will be of no interest to them, because these investigators are out to determine what happened to 228 people, not to investigate a crash in marine biodiversity.

Yes, it's important to know what happened to flight 447. The world wants to know whether it was bombed, or shot down, or destroyed by lightning. But while we're looking around the oceans, didn't anybody happen to notice all the floating trash there? And why isn't the mainstream media wondering why our oceans are now so polluted that investigators can't sort out plane crash debris from all the other junk floating on the ocean?

The big story here, folks, is not the crash of flight 447. The real story is the presence of so much trash floating in the ocean that it confuses investigators. And if this pollution continues, future plane crashes may be utterly indistinguishable from all the garbage out there already.

I can see the future headlines already: "Air Passengers Saved by Emergency Landing on Island of Debris in the South Pacific."

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6990/earthsaved600.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

[Steve_A]

Hi judykott,

Part of your post is inaccurate.

Although it is true that the oceans are dirty, we can understand how this happens, we need only to look in the streets and see people throw litter. Mindless morons. People like this are all over the world, even going up Mount Everest!

But getting back to the Air France disappearance. The only debris brought on board of a Brazilian Navy vessel was done so on Thursday, found 200km north of Fernando de Noronha and it is this debris, which was thought to be from the aircraft but confirmed not, which they are talking about.

The other debris (passenger seat, buoy and seven meter piece of debris) which was spotted on the Tuesday 620km northeast of Fernando de Noronha has still to be brought aboard for inspection. of course if this is found also not to be from the aeroplane, we can only come to two conclusions. The plane really disappeared and the state of the oceans is getting worse, sufficiently to lead the Brazilian Navy on a wild goose chase.

But with all said and done I think it was interesting that the reporter looked at the story from another angle.

Best regards,

Steve




Search for Air France Flight 447 Reveals Astonishing Pollution of World's Oceans
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

(NaturalNews) The most alarming piece of news this week emerged when investigators of the doomed Air France flight 447 announced they had found "floating debris" from the plane crash, but it turned out to be only floating trash in the ocean. This is, all by itself, a disturbing commentary on the pollution of the world's oceans: When investigators can't find a plane crash in the ocean because there's already too much trash floating on the surface, we have a problem with pollution.

It's as if they went out to find a plane crash, but ended up discovering that our oceans look like a train wreck. Had they peeked under the surface of the water, they might have found untreated dry cleaning chemicals from a cruise ship, raw feces from a military vessel and tiny bits of plastic that pose an extreme risk to marine life.

With this, air travel investigators learned an important lesson: Just because debris is floating in the ocean doesn't mean a plane crashed there. It could just mean humans are destroying the planet. While 228 passengers sadly died in a tragic air travel accident, we might all die if we don't stop polluting our fragile ecosystems with endless trash.

(If investigators followed the line of debris, of course, it would lead them straight to the nearest port where ocean liners and military ships would be found several thousand pounds lighter due to all the garbage and sewage they dumped in the ocean before anchoring. The U.S. military, in particular, treats the world's oceans like a giant toilet, dumping trash, sewage and dangerous chemicals directly into the waters.)

What's really crashing is much bigger than one plane
Getting back to flight 447, investigators first announced they had "without a doubt" found wreckage from the flight. And what, exactly, had they spotted? A wooden pallet!

Did they think flight 447 was a Wright Brothers airplane? Who spots an intact wooden pallet and concludes they're looking at the wreckage of a modern-day airplane? Did they really think an entire plane (made out of metal) was destroyed, but a fragile wooden pallet somehow emerged from the crash unscathed?

An oil slick was also spotted near the area where the plane went missing, and investigators initially thought that was from the downed Air France flight. But it turns out it was just another random petrochemical slick from a passing ship that dumps toxic liquids into the ocean. Nothing to see here, move along... move along.

Several French submarines are apparently en route to the suspected crash site, where they hope to explore the depths of the ocean floor, looking for clues. While they might not find clues, I can tell you a few things they will find: Old decomposing Coca-Cola cans swaying with the current along the ocean floor, plastic bottle caps bobbing in the water, and ghost town dead zones where there used to be thriving marine ecosystems. This, of course, will be of no interest to them, because these investigators are out to determine what happened to 228 people, not to investigate a crash in marine biodiversity.

Yes, it's important to know what happened to flight 447. The world wants to know whether it was bombed, or shot down, or destroyed by lightning. But while we're looking around the oceans, didn't anybody happen to notice all the floating trash there? And why isn't the mainstream media wondering why our oceans are now so polluted that investigators can't sort out plane crash debris from all the other junk floating on the ocean?

The big story here, folks, is not the crash of flight 447. The real story is the presence of so much trash floating in the ocean that it confuses investigators. And if this pollution continues, future plane crashes may be utterly indistinguishable from all the garbage out there already.

I can see the future headlines already: "Air Passengers Saved by Emergency Landing on Island of Debris in the South Pacific."

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6990/earthsaved600.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

[mudra]

Bodies "found" from missing airplane:

Two bodies and debris have been found from the Air France plane which went missing over the Atlantic last Monday, the Brazilian air force has said.
The remains were taken from the water early on Saturday morning, said spokesman Jorge Amaral.
Experts on human remains are on their way to examine the find.
All 228 passengers and crew on board AF 447 are believed to have been killed when the plane disappeared during its flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8087303.stm

Kindness
mudra

[mudra]

For French air accident investigators, trying to extract meaning from the shreds of information about the last minutes of Flight AF 447 must be excruciating.
They have neither the flight data recorder nor the cockpit voice recorder. Both are thousands of metres below the surface of the Atlantic.
Instead they have a series of messages sent out over a satellite network called ACARS.
The ACARS messages themselves have not been released but an unverified list has been leaked. The BBC cannot vouch for its accuracy.
...
What is clear is that the crew, who should have been able to see some of these warnings on their cockpit displays, would have been assailed by demands for action from the aircraft's systems.
...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8086111.stm

Kindness
mudra

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Ian & Tango...found this in my inbox this morning...maybe the dead fish are starting to stink enough to make some heads turn...

I know what happened to the Air France Flight 447

by Dick Eastman

According to Air France CEO Pierre-Henry Gourgeon, the Air France AirBus flying from Rio to Paris transmitted "a succession of a dozen technical messages" indicated that "several electrical systems had broken down'' which caused a "totally unprecedented situation in the plane.''

Gourgeon is wrong. The events that resulted in the death of 128 people over the Atlantic were precedented. There have been several similar events.

Reuters has reported that AirBus is claiming that the Airbus A330 has a good safety record, with no fatal accidents on a commercial flight. This is a falsehood that Reuters did not bother to correct.

In Miami in 1999 pilot and co-pilot of an American Airlines Airbus A300 about to land suddenly lost control of the plane to an exogenous agency. The rudder moved several times on its own. "The rudder movements were extreme" said the NTSP.

On November 12, 2001 American Airlines flight 587, an Airbus A300, lost control to a remote agency resulting in the rudder suddenly swinging back and forth violently, beyond the normal range that can be effected from the cockpit. The flight data showed "unusual sideways movements that slammed passengers back and forth," repeated banging which caused tremendous strain of the vertical stabilizer until it broke off, despite the strengh of the lamination construction. The passengers were slamed back and forth prior to the crash in Queens, New York. But that was not all. After the rudder was gone the remote controller began playing with other equipment. With the rudder gone the rudder could still fly, however no the ailerons and elevators (the "flaps") began moving in fatal ways. At one point was made to turn 10 degrees in just one second, and 180 degree turn in 18 seconds. The plane banked left, even though data shows pilots were working controls to move in the opposite direction." The black box contained pilot and co-pilot and tower dialog on this but it was never released. (Marion Blakey, head of the NTSB, a Bush political appointee with no experience for th job, who was also heading NTSP a month before when the WTC was hit by two planes, the crash in Pennsylvania and the alleged crash of a jetliner at the Pentagon.) After these turns the remote controller put the plane into a nose dive and cut off the voice recorder, both the plane's regular power and batteries. The plane was brought to full throttle and then the flaps were brought down, causing the engine pods to rip off their brackets and keep going as the plane slowed down. The N.T.S.B. offered only two possible explanations, either "the pilot made the rudder move intentionally or by accident" or the plane was brought down by "butterfly effect" turbulence from a Japan Airlines plane that had taken off ahead of the AirBus.

Now perhaps we can begin to suspect that there was someone on that Air France Flight that the people who benefited from the remote-control crash of the 9-11 planes and the 11/12/01 plane did not like.

By the way, Dov Zakheim is the man I think is responsible for the 9-11 crashes and one more crash which occured on the early morning of October 31, 1999.

That Halloween morning EgyptAir 990, a Boeing 767 took off from JFK for Cairo, Egypt. The plane had aboard 22 top Egyptian military that had just received special training in the United States -- lured into this trap by the bait of the unusual sharing of military information. At about 2:00 a.m., from the vocie recorder, the Egyptian pilot excuses himself to go to the toilet. The pilot and co-pilot are Egyptian and they speak Arabic. But suddenly there is heard on the voice recording, in English, the words, "Control it." Then the plane deviates from course on its own while still on automatic pilot. The pilot responds to this event with an exclaimatory prayer: "Taw ak kalt ala Allah," roughly equivalent to "Heaven help us!" "May God protect us!" if not "Jesus Christ!" The co-pilot attempts to disengage autopilot, but the remote controller will not yield. The co-pilot is in a panic and again praying for help. The plane, still on auto-pilot goes into a nose dive. After 16 seconds of remote-controlled hijacking the pilot re-enters the cockpit and asks the co-pilot what is happening. Both work to pull up and as they are both trying the plane goes full throttle. The co-pilot cuts the fuel lines. Then, again under remote control the right and left elevators move in opposite directions. Ailerons on both wings move full up. The pilot orders, in Arabic, "shut engines." The co-pilot replies: "They're shut!" The last words heard are those of the pilot calling out, of course still in Arabic, "Pull! Pull!" Then, exactly as happened with Flight 587 over Queens, the voice recorders are remotely shut off -- before the crash event. The US NTSB reached the conclusion -- against all of this evidence -- that the co-pilot was somehow responsible.

Some passenger in Miami in 1999 needed to be fightened by a demonstration of power. Someone aboard Flight 587 was a problem for the criminal conspiracy now in control of the US and Israeli governments. And someone on the Air France flight was equally a threat or target of vengence for the same interests.

You will notice the lame excuses why the Air France black boxes cannnot be recovered.

9-11 was not the work of "Islamic Fundamentalists" who "hate our freedoms" and therefore hijacked four jetliners on September 11 and and crashbombed the WTC towers and the Pentagon. No one can argue the REAL evidence proving this. (They can and do of course argue, for example on Fox News, with people who have impossible theories about no planes at all hitting the WTC or absurd tales about energy beam weapons in orbit bringing down the twin towers and Building 7 -- but that is part of the pre-planned disinformation obstruction of justice psy-op the perpetrators are using.

I suspect the target of the crash was French and an opponent of the Sarkozy, the very close supporter of the agendas of both the Bush and Obama presidencies in international financial matters and middle east and war on terror policies.

The victims of this murder were from 32 countries. 61 were French, 58 were Brazilian and 26 were Germans. No Israelis were aboard or American Jews were aboard. Sarkozy's French Environment Minister, Jean-Louis Borloo, has declared officially that hijacking has been ruled out. How in the name of Allah could they possible have done that in the light of the facts I have relayed to you which are certainly known to them?

One more point: The international killers crashed the Air France plane in part because they were secure in the knowledge that the Sarkozy government, like the Bush government in 2001, would do all that was necessary to keep the truth from being told. The black boxes will never be produced -- I haven't been following the news for since the day of the crash, but I feel that is a safe prediction.

Please post this, read it aloud over the phone, put it up on your blog. It is up to them to embarrass and shame the French into investigating this act of mass-murder.

Death by airplane has been the preferred method of eliminating individuals without drawing suspicion to the specific background and connections of an "isolated victim." We can't let them continue to get away with it.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
Every man is responsible to every other man.

[Unified Serenity]

This story just wreaks. Maybe it's now my nature to distrust disasters now, but it's amazing how there are all these catastrophic failures, no debris really, and now we have 2 bodies, poor souls. I do lift them up and their families. We have subs that can retrieve the "black" boxes so let them get around that. Oh, and watch them not release the data either.

It smells I tell ya!:thumbdown:

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

This story just wreaks. Maybe it's now my nature to distrust disasters now, but it's amazing how there are all these catastrophic failures, no debris really, and now we have 2 bodies, poor souls. I do lift them up and their families. We have subs that can retrieve the "black" boxes so let them get around that. Oh, and watch them not release the data either.

It smells I tell ya!:thumbdown:

totally agree. I don't know how valid this is, & I havent done any background research on the other incidents he mentioned, but ...it would not surprise me at all.

[Tango]

totally agree. I don't know how valid this is, & I havent done any background research on the other incidents he mentioned, but ...it would not surprise me at all.

*
He is Right abt 587 the rudder was slammed full L & R; it was said by
witnesses before it went flying off... Tail wagging...

Time to get rid of the 'flight managment 'puters w/remote.....'

They take control VIA remote systems... The actual A/C controls become
useless... 187 by remote... Do they have " voice recordings of pilots...?"
I never liked 'fly by wire' was always concerned about this...
Just think, som cold hearted SOB sat @ a terminal and did this. Very Sad.


I'll keep my cool... [locked, loaded, cocked, Ready to Rock N' Roll]...
back to wearing the vest; I really hate wearing the damn thing...

So much for travel... So much for aviation... All, for the greed of a few.

Sadly, this feels all too TRUE. [looking down; shaking head]


Tango

[michaelg]

*
He is Right abt 587 the rudder was slammed full L & R; it was said by
witnesses before it went flying off... Tail wagging...

Time to get rid of the 'flight managment 'puters w/remote.....'

They take control VIA remote systems... The actual A/C controls become
useless... 187 by remote... Do they have " voice recordings of pilots...?"
I never liked 'fly by wire' was always concerned about this...
Just think, som cold hearted SOB sat @ a terminal and did this. Very Sad.


I'll keep my cool... [locked, loaded, cocked, Ready to Rock N' Roll]...
back to wearing the vest; I really hate wearing the damn thing...

So much for travel... So much for aviation... All, for the greed of a few.

Sadly, this feels all too TRUE. [looking down; shaking head]


Tango

Very interesting, Tango.

But how do they get control via remote system ? I guess these A/C controls must be designed to have some backdoors hardware (chip)/software so that can be easily controlled remotely.

[THE eXchanger]

It was a "remote controlled" death....


Interesting article attached from the excellent fourwinds10 website, which suggests, as in the past, that the airbus was "remotely controlled" to crash, as has happened in the past, as the airbus is perfect for remote control as it is fully computer controlled. Only question is, who did they want dead so much that they killed 227 others? I guess its best to stick to Boeing aircraft.....

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/new_world_order/news.php?q=1244235892

you cover your tracks by directing the craft into the "anvil" of the ITCZ (the inter tropical convergence zone - glad you don't fly through that zone!), so everyone thinks it broke up through turbulence rather than the "remote controller", then crash the plane in a way whereby the black box can never be recovered...luckily the passengers would have likely had a peaceful death because break up would have caused immediate loss of consciousness and deep coma....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6446268.ece

[THE eXchanger]

\Air France Flight 447



did anyone notice

AF 447
1 6 4 4 7

1 6 4 = 4 7

11 = 11

or 22

[DiVineEnvy]

It was a "remote controlled" death....

Field McConnell and David Hawkins over at Hawks CAFE concur, and they link AF447 to the same crew that allegedly perpetrated 9/11! Here is an excerpt from their post, dated 3 Jun 09 to Jack Stockwell, host of the Jack Stockwell radio program:

Hawks CAFE believes that Airbus partners hired Sidley Austin lawyers in the `80s to build a fly-by-wire murder-for-hire network allegedly operated under the AeroSat label on 9/11 by David Emerson on behalf of his client investors in the CAI-Carlyle Canada hedge fund...

"Ok, we all know Airbus aircraft are fly by wire .. since every control input the pilot makes is run through computers, what is the chance that someone could put a virus or viruses into the flight control programs and cause a crash. What if a terrorist deep in Airbuses manufacturing business put a virus in the program .. Is this possible?" .. ".. ACARS messages of system failures started to arrive [from AF447] at 02:10Z indicating, that the autopilot had disengaged and the fly by wire system had changed to alternate law [Emerson's Aerosat Airborne Internet?]" ".. each aircraft becomes node in a peer-to-peer network analogous to the terrestrial Internet .. AeroSat produces Ku-band antenna .. certified and in use on Boeing, Airbus, Gulfstream, Bombardier, Dassault and Cessna aircraft" .. "AeroSat .. $14 million in new funding, from CAI Managers & Co. and AeroEquity, and a new investor, Boston-based PAR Capital Management. The money will go into expanding AeroSat's product line and production capacity." "CAI Capital Management has hired David Emerson, who was appointed Canadian minister of foreign affairs in May and retired in September, as a senior advisor .. He worked as president and chief executive of the Vancouver International Airport Authority from 1992 to 1997 .. The firm's investors include limited partners from Canada and the US, including some of Canada's biggest pension funds. The firm, established in 1989, focuses on buyouts, restructurings and acquisitions [allegedly coordinated by Sidley Austin]"

Our Abel Danger investigators have evidence to suggest that Air France Flight 447 Airbus 330-203 was destroyed on May 31st by an Airborne Internet, allegedly developed in a joint venture by Sidley lawyers, David Emerson, former president of Vancouver International Airport Authority, Kristine Marcy former senior counsel of the U.S. Justice Prisoner and Alien Transportation System, and Jane Garvey, the former head of the FAA and the former director of Boston's Logan International Airport, an `al-Qaeda' mustering station for the 9/11 attack...

Source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hawkscafe/message/909

The Investigators: http://hawkscafe.com/

[Hypnotize]

there seems to be a LOT of plane crashes lately.

[burgundia]

One will think twice now before deciding to go by air....
you never know what intentions certain people might have towards the plane you are flying in...

[michaelg]

One will think twice now before deciding to go by air....
you never know what intentions certain people might have towards the plane you are flying in...

This happened to me, I called off my reservation because of fear. I asked while ago how to overcome fear and I got some good answers, but let's face it if you want to visit some place, what would you do ?

1. Check the passenger list and the background of some "high" targets
2. Check plane model and type (fly-wire, no fly-wire, twin engines / four-engines)
3. Travel by other means (ship, astral :lol3:)
4. Build your own anti-gravity aircraft
5. Wait for our "brothers and sisters" to give us a lift :lmao:
6. Wait for John Lear and fly with his Cesena plane (actually he's broke :lol3:)
7. 777 can give us a hint

[burgundia]

This happened to me, I called off my reservation because of fear. I asked while ago how to overcome fear and I got some good answers, but let's face it if you want to visit some place, what would you do ?

1. Check the passenger list and the background of some "high" targets
2. Check plane model and type (fly-wire, no fly-wire, twin engines / four-engines)
3. Travel by other means (ship, astral :lol3:)
4. Build your own anti-gravity aircraft
5. Wait for our "brothers and sisters" to give us a lift :lmao:
6. Wait for John Lear and fly with his Cesena plane (actually he's broke :lol3:)
7. 777 can give us a hint

8. travel only to places which can be reached by car, bus, etc. ( This is how i am going to travel this summer). Anyway i have always been scared of flying....The funny thing is that at first I wasn't afraid of flying, and after some time, without any apparent reason, the fear began...

[viking]

This is weird.... What if??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iFm8xNeOY4

viking

[Steve_A]

Hi viking,

Let's not let our imagination run away with us. Eventually the black boxes will be found and everything will be revealed.

There are one or two points about the crash which to me don't really make sense.

Firstly the authorities exclude the possibility of a bomb, even though they admit the aeroplane broke up mid air, this being proven by the scattering of the debris. The thing is the authorities don't know what brought down the plane, so how can they rule out a bomb? If they know what it isn't, then they must know what it is. Right?

Secondly they speak about the 20 messages in four minutes prior to the plane going off the radar. They do not say that for a plane to hit the water, it would take at least two minutes to fall from the sky as we're talking high altitude here. Most of those messages could have been sent on the planes descent, switching off the automatic pilot could have been done by the pilot as the plane becomes out of control, faliure of this and that as it was going down and the cabin was eventually depressurized and invaded by the elements of -55C. The radar contact would have been lost on impact and anyway the flight was in 'no mans' land' where it leaves one radar juristinction (Brazil) to another (Senegal) so the flight really was lost when it didn't report to the second radar area so the actual oment of loss of contact is only an estimate.

They say that the pilot tried to fly the plane over or through a storm. There are radar devices in the plane which monitor where the storms are and it's normal for pilots, even the more experienced ones, to skirt round the 'eye' of the storm instead of trying to go directly through.

The good thing, if you like, is that more bodies and debris are turning up so the Brazilian navy together with the French sub can get a relatively better chance of finding the carcass of the plane and consequently the outstanding corpses and eventually the black boxes.

As for the NASA video taken before the crash happened, possibly days before as the cloud cover is sparse, it was raining heavily the night of the accident yet land forms can be seen from the satelite image. With that said and done it would be interesting to know what those images are on the video. It really is suprising that Google has a camera that can see a car on the ground. Imagine NASA. When will it learn to take sharp pictures?

Also I'm not too keen on dramatic music to try and make a sinister point. It just doesn't wash with me.

Best regards,

Steve


This is weird.... What if??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iFm8xNeOY4

viking

[Avid]

http://www.sundayherald.com/international/shinternational/display.var.2512885.0.0.php

The plot thickens.... (apols if this has been noticed before).
Key figures in global battle against illegal arms trade lost in Air France crash
ARGENTINA: Argentine campaigner Pablo Dreyfus and Swiss colleague Ronald Dreyer battled South American arms and drug trafficking
From Andrew McLeod
AMID THE media frenzy and speculation over the disappearance of Air France's ill-fated Flight 447, the loss of two of the world's most prominent figures in the war on the illegal arms trade and international drug trafficking has been virtually overlooked.

Pablo Dreyfus, a 39-year-old Argentine who was travelling with his wife Ana Carolina Rodrigues aboard the doomed flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, had worked tirelessly with the Brazilian authorities to stem the flow of arms and ammunition that for years has fuelled the bloody turf wars waged by drug gangs in Rio's sprawling favelas.

Also travelling with Dreyfus on the doomed flight was his friend and colleague Ronald Dreyer, a Swiss diplomat and co-ordinator of the Geneva Declaration on Armed Violence who had worked with UN missions in El Salvador, Mozambique, Azerbaijan, Kosovo and Angola. Both men were consultants at the Small Arms Survey, an independent think tank based at Geneva's Graduate Institute of International Studies. The Survey said on its website that Dryer had helped mobilise the support of more than 100 countries to the cause of disarmament and development.

Buenos Aires-born Dreyfus had been living in Rio since 2002, where he and his sociologist wife worked with the Brazilian NGO Viva Rio.

"Pablo will be remembered as a gentle and sensitive man with an upbeat sense of humour," said the Small Arms Survey. "He displayed an intellectual curiosity and a determined work ethic that excited and enthused all who worked with him."

According to the International Action Network on Small Arms Control (IANSA), Dreyfus's work was instrumental in the introduction of landmark small arms legislation in Brazil in 2003. Under this legislation, an online link was created between army and police databases listing production, imports and exports of arms and ammunition in Brazil.

Dreyfus was an advocate of the stringent labelling of ammunition by weapons firms, arguing that by clearly identifying ammunition not only by its producer but also its purchaser, the likelihood of weapons being sourced by criminals from corrupt police or armed forces personnel is greatly reduced.

Though a Brazilian referendum on the right to bear arms was rejected in 2005, Viva Rio says the campaign should be considered a success because half a million weapons were voluntarily handed in to the authorities. Anti-gun activists put the referendum defeat down to fears criminals would circumvent the law and continue to gain access to small arms the usual way - through Paraguay and other bordering countries. This was not an irrational fear: until 2004, when Paraguay bowed to Brazilian pressure, even foreign tourists were allowed to purchase small arms simply by presenting a photocopy of their identity card. Dreyfus knew that many of the weapons from the so-called tri-border area between Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina were reaching Rio drug gangs.

When unidentified gunmen made off with a stash of hand grenades from an Argentine military garrison in 2006, Dreyfus deplored what he said was lax security at military depots across the world. "If a supermarket can keep control of the amount of peas it has in stock, surely a military organisation could and should be able to do the same with equal if not greater efficiency with its weapons," he said. "The key words are logisitics, control, security."

When Rio agents smashed a cell of drug traffickers who had sourced their weapons from the tri-border area, Dreyfus noted its leaders were prominent businessmen living in apartments in the plush Rio suburbs of Ipanema and São Corrado, "not in the favelas".

In a recent report posted on the Brazilian website Comunidade Segura (Safe Community), Dreyfus noted that the Brazilian arms firm CBC (Companhia Brasileira de Cartuchos) had become one of the world's biggest ammunition producers by purchasing Germany's Metallwerk Elisenhutte Nassau (MEN) in 2007, and Sellier & Bellot (S&B) of the Czech Republic in March. This would not be particularly noteworthy but for the fact that CBC's exports had tapered off in recent years due to legislation restricting exports to Paraguay, arms that often found their way back into Brazil and on to the Rio drug gangs - the "boomerang effect", as Dreyfus called it. "The commercial export of weapons and ammunition from Brazil to the bordering countries stopped in 2001," wrote Dreyfus. "CBC lost commercial markets in Latin America, but Brazil won in public security."

However, manufacturers from other countries had moved in to fill the void, and before its purchase by CBC, S&B was already "one of the marks most currently apprehended" by Brazilian police. Dreyfus said that, in view of the fact the Czech Republic was bound by the EU Code of Conduct on weapons exports - which states that EU countries must "evaluate the existence of the risk that the armament can be diverted to undesirable final destinations", CBC should "consider the risk that some of these exports end up, via diversions, feeding violence in Brazil".

Though his focus was on Latin America, Dreyfus also advised the government of Mozambique and at the time of his death was preparing to do the same for the government of Angola, where stockpiles of weapons left over from the civil war continue to pose a security problem.

Dreyfus and Dreyer were on their way to Geneva to present the latest edition of the Small Arms Survey handbook, of which Dreyfus was a joint editor. It was to have been their latest step in their relentless fight against evil.

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

thank the universe for the internet. How easily this all would have evaporated 20 years ago.....

I'm not jumping to any conclusions here,....but you have to admit....smells like Teen dead fish Spirit....

[Steve_A]

Hi Avid,

Good find! Although it's too early in the game to really seriously think of a bomb, at least we have (at least) one motive. There are, of course, others. There was also a Foreign Relations director from Petrobrás on board. For those who don't know, Petrobrás is a Brazilian partially state run oil company that is under investigation for corruption and trafficking of influences.

The authorities have stated that with the finding of the tail section of the aircraft, it might be easier to locate the black boxes as they are situated near to the tail of the plane (I used to think they were in the cockpit until that note came out).

They also are still trying to justify the 'no bomb' theory stating that none of the 24 bodies recovered so far had burn marks. In response to that I would say that the bomb, if there was one, didn't need to be placed in the passenger area of the aeroplane. It could have been planted in the hold. The fact that the 24 bodies didn't have burn marks is not revealing a great deal as they have not been identified and so the authorities don't know where they were sitting during the flight. They could all have been First Class and seperate from Economy. It seems that just as the Air France pilots are jumping to conclusions about the Pitot, as are the authorities about the 'no bomb' aspect, as are theorists about Alien abduction and vectors.....

I beleive that the Brazilian Navy is doing an excellent job and reckon that before long, who knows even by the end of next week, the black boxes will be found and the truth, as much as can be gleened, will be known.

Best regards,

Steve




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The plot thickens.... (apols if this has been noticed before).[/QUOTE]

[J_rod7]

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The capability to "take control" of ANY aircraft, in flight or otherwise, has been installed on ALL major airplanes since the Mid-1970s. ...:
:mfr_omg:

"In the mid-seventies America faced a new and escalating crisis, with US commercial jets being hijacked for geopolitical purposes. Determined to gain the upper hand in this new form of aerial warfare, two American multinationals collaborated with the Defense Advanced Projects Agency (DARPA) on a project designed to facilitate the remote recovery of hijacked American aircraft.

"Brilliant both in concept and operation, “Home Run” [not its real code name] allowed specialist ground controllers to listen in to cockpit conversations on the target aircraft, then take absolute control of its computerized flight control system by remote means.

"From that point onwards, regardless of the wishes of the hijackers or flight deck crew, the hijacked aircraft could be recovered and landed automatically at an airport of choice, with no more difficulty than flying a radio-controlled model plane. The engineers had no idea that almost thirty years after its initial design, Home Run’s top secret computer codes would be broken...

"When the multinationals and DARPA finally came on the scene in the mid-seventies, aircraft systems were even more advanced, with computers controlling onboard autopilots, which in turn were capable of controlling all of the onboard hydraulics. In combination these multiple different functions were now known as the “Flight Control System” or FCS...

"In order to make Home Run truly effective, it had to be completely integrated with all onboard systems, and this could only be accomplished with a new aircraft design, several of which were on the drawing boards at that time. Under cover of extreme secrecy, the multinationals and DARPA went ahead on this basis and built “back doors” into the new computer designs.

"There were two very obvious hard requirements at this stage, the first a primary control channel for use in taking over the flight control system and flying the aircraft back to an airfield of choice, and secondly a covert audio channel for monitoring flight deck conversations. Once the primary channel was activated, all aircraft functions came under direct ground control, permanently removing the hijackers and pilots from the control loop.

"Remember here, this was not a system designed to “undermine” the authority of the flight crews, but was put in place as a “doomsday” device in the event the hijackers started to shoot passengers or crew members, possibly including the pilots. ..."

http://www.geocities.com/mknemesis/homerun.html

Once SomeOne, ANYONE, has access to the codes, all bets are off whether any particular flight will make it to it's destination.

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[Starlah]

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Guess I know why I don't fly besides being "broke". Is there a cruise ship that goes to Ecuador?

__________________________________________________ _
Humpty Dumpty sat on a Wall...Humpty Dumpty had a great Fall
All the King's soldiers and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty
Together again...

[viking]

Mmm just found this....

June 8, 2009

For the past week the news media has been reporting their developing story/spin on the disappearance off radar on Sunday, May 31, 2009 of Air France flight number 447 over the Atlantic Ocean, enroute from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil to Paris, France with 228 people aboard. We have been told various stories.

The plane disappeared and crashed into the Atlantic Ocean during its flight through a high electrical storm. A huge oil slick on the ocean’s surface was proof of the crash. Debris but no bodies were found. No debris was found. The oil slick was caused by an Iranian submarine that fired the missile that destroyed flight 447. Two bodies have been found and a suitcase with an airline ticket in it of this exact flight. The plane exploded in mid-air and burned, therefore there was no oil slick created by this plane crash.

With such media spin, what really is the Truth of this incident? Given the history of past airplane crashes, we immediately suspect foul play. Who was on this plane that was working with good intent, that the Darkside needed to have removed from the “play”? No official passenger manifest has been released to the public, so again, much speculation is rampant based on individual research and personal contacts.

In the Christopher Story Report of Monday, June 8, 2009 we learn that “Michael (Butch) Harris, a top geologist with Oklahoma City-based Devon Energy Corporation and his wife, Anne, had been on the aircraft.”

(QUOTING:)

A spokesman for the company, Chip Minty, confirmed that Harris was a geologist working out of Devon’s Rio de Janeiro office. The late Mr. Harris had moved to Brazil from Houston in July 2008, according to Mrs. Harris’s sister, Mary Riley, of Lafayette, LA, in an interview with the local newspaper, The Advertiser. The couple, married for 16 years, were originally from Lafayette and had lived there until 2004.

Mr. Harris was a Clemson graduate and a brilliant geologist. The ‘Jack 2’ well drilled in the Walker Ridge area of the Gulf of Mexico 175 miles off the coast of Louisiana, is located in about 7,000 ft. of water. Chevron, which has a 50% stake in the oilfield, has two partners for this project, both of which have a 25% stake: Statoil ASA (Norway), and Devon Energy Corporation of Oklahoma City.

Fadel Gheit, an analyst with Oppenheimer & Co., said on 4th June that ‘relative to its size, Devon has one of the greatest exposures to the deepwater Gulf of Mexico’. Devon’s shares rose by about 15% on the New York Stock Exchange following news about the ‘Jack 2’ oilfield.

Before moving to Brazil, Michael ‘Butch’ Harris and his wife Anne lived in the Woodlands area of Houston, which ‘just happens’ to be where George Herbert Walker Bush lives.

We ‘speculate’ that Mr. Harris was en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris where he was to realise a brief from Bush Sr. to leverage Devon Energy Corporation's 25% stake in the ‘Jack 2’ oilfield with the corrupt ‘Kissinger-Bush’ bank, Paribas, for an enormous credit line, enabling the desperate Bush Crime Family to ‘start over’ with a pile of cash for the usual leveraging and hypothecation purposes. We further ‘speculate’ that Air France 447 was sabotaged, to close off this option.

That George Bush Sr. would have no compunction in arranging for one of his associates to run the risk of being murdered in mid-air given that the whole world (with the sole exception of the crime network’s remaining cornered assets) is intent upon removing the Bush Crime Family from the chessboard, goes without saying.

The sole motivation of this criminal group operating outside and within the US Intelligence Power, the White House and the Treasury, has all along been to retain control of the levers of Fraudulent Finance at all costs, without regard for collateral damage. Given the unconscionable level of their arrogance, these people never expected to encounter any opposition to their activities, and have accordingly received the overdue shock of their lives.

Christopher Story Report: June 8, 2009, http://www.worldreports.org/news/217_war_of_attrition_against_the_u.s._crime_cadres

(END QUOTING)

Here is another bit of information. “Huge Alienships Fleet was caught by NASA MODIS satellite over crash site before incident.” The end of this YouTube video shows the starship fleet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iFm8xNeOY4

So, what is the Truth in all of this confusing information? We know the Darkside has fought for years to establish their One World Order. They have fought against the banking change to a global gold system, that would remove their fiat money Federal Reserve System by which they are presently trashing the whole world and stealing all they can for themselves. We know they are desperate, for they are “out of money” to continue on with their plan for world control.

We know they are losing badly. We know that George Bush, Sr. and Henry Kissinger are key players, and that the Bush/Clinton/Obama Cabal are deeply involved in stopping the NESARA Mission and in establishing a One World Order with them in control of the whole world. These people have demonstrated over and over that they will do anything to win.

So, what does this have to do with the “crash” of Air France 447? If Michael Harris was “their man” on this flight and was completing a most vital step to provide the means to keep going with their evil plans, why would they “take him out” by destroying the airplane on which he was a passenger? They didn’t! We did, that is the Good Side did it!

“Oh, but why?” you ask. How could the White Knights and our good people kill 228 people to stop Michael Harris? They didn’t do it, and no one died! Let me explain.

As in the “crash” of the Columbia shuttle craft and in the destruction of the World Trade Towers, the Forces of Light under orders from Hatonn moved in with their starships and beamed aboard those people, who were in harms way. The seven crew members of the Columbia, the 20,000 persons of the World Trade Towers and the 228 passengers of Air France flight 447 will be returned to bear witness of what happened in these incidents.

We can now sort out the spin in the news media. No bodies from flight 447 were found. The two bodies reported yesterday and the suitcase were “planted” purposely to give validity to the official story. The airplane was vaporized by the technology of the Star People, so no debris and no oil slick and no black boxes from flight 447 were found.

The evil would-be world controllers know what happened and are furious about it, for this was a certain last step in their plan to win. They could not thwart Divine Intervention. They have lost, and the Light has won---again! Know it!

In Love and Light,

Patrick H. Bellringer

bellringer@fourwinds10.com

www.fourwinds10.com

#1 (Reply)

----- Original Message -----
From: SK
To: <bellringer@fourwinds10.com>
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 8:26 PM
Subject: Siterun Contact Request from Fourwinds10


Message:

Hell Mr. Bellringer,

Thank you for enlightening the world with your deep insights and answers to today\'s troubling questions.

I read with great interest on what happened to Air France 447. You had mentioned that on orders of Hatonn the good Aliens had vaporized the aircraft and took the passengers and crew to safety. If that is true how do you explain the discovery of the vertical stabilizer and 24 bodies so far?

Did the French, Brazilian and US governments place a replacement stabilizer and 24 bodies in the ocean to offer a plausible explanation as to what happened to Air France flight447?

Again, thank you Mr. Patrick Bellringer for your wonderful service to us all.

(Reponse)

FROM: Patrick H. Bellringer
TO: SK
DATE: June 8, 2009
SUBJECT: Reply

Dear S.K.

Thank you for your letter and kind words. We must use great discernment to sort through all the lies in today's media.

Did you are anyone see any bodies recovered from Air France 447? Could this be possible, if they fell five miles to the ocean, which is 7000 feet [some say 14,000 to 30,000 feet ] deep to the ocean floor, which was said to be very mountainous, because it is part of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge? And, of course, there were no sharks anywhere in that area, or any other predators!

They can do amazing things with news videos. Was there a vertical stabilizer found? Was it from Air France 447 or a fake? How would you know? Were they using NASA's Hollywood moonlanding set to again fake the news of this "recovery" to the public? Just because we are shown pictures and hear stories on T.V., does not make for Truth.

Would there be any reason to lie to us about the disappearance of Air France 447 and its passengers? Governments and elitists don't lie---or do they?

In Love and Light,
Patrick H. Bellringer

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----- Original Message -----
From: whistleblower@bo......
To: <bellringer@fourwinds10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:16 PM
Subject: plane vertical stabilizer is not authentic

EXTREME IMPORTANCE. Photo on the left is the AP, Reuters, et al. news media photo from June 8, 2009. The photo on the right is an actual photo of an Air France A330, from the Air France site June 8, 2009. As of right now, that particular photo page is not accessible ("proxy error, proxy server could not handle the request") but keep trying: go to: corporate.airfrance.com, then choose "Mediatheque", then choose "Photos", then choose "La flotte Air France". This partial photo you see here on the right shows the exact design of the vertical stabilizer/tail fin for an Air France Airbus A330, this is one of their actual A330 planes. The current media photo on the left (which is rotated here but otherwise untouched) is showing SOMETHING ELSE, NOT a vertical stabilizer from an Air France 330. Compare: 1. the area of white below the red stripe (the media's goes wider), 2. the slope of the back edge in relation to the baseline (the media's is a 90degree angle), 3. the width of the top edge length in white (the media's is wider), 4. the overall length top to bottom (media's is shorter; and there are no breaks to the top part of the media's as you can see the circle of yellow stars near the top). Please disperse widely and quickly.

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/bellringers_corner/hello_central/news.php?q=1244475551

viking

[Steve_A]

Hi Everybody,

This is an important update:

Although I only heard this once on the national news radio network (CBN), I think it extremely important.

There is a lot of news reports concerning how the pilots union in Air France are threatening to strike if the "Pitots" are not changed immediately.

Attention: This is a RED HERRING!!

An anonymous source in the Boeing Corporation said that this story was arranged to take blame away from Boeing, which is finacially ailing, for the accident.

The apparent blame takes the heat off of Air France the airline and Boeing the aeroplane manufacturer and puts the heat on the manufacturer of the 'Pitot' which is exchanging the parts anyway! That way, customers will not refuse to buy Air France Airline tickets and airlines will not cancel Boeing aeroplanes.

If this is the case, the two companies would 'arrange' the compensation payments by the Pitot manufacturer to the family of the passengers under the table, but removing them from the blame.

I had a quick look on the internet for more sources for this information, but couldn't find one. Perhaps more details will appear later on tomorrow.

I knew the position of the Air France pilots was premature, but just couldn't work out why. When I heard this news report, the penny dropped.

Keep an eye open people!

Best regards,

Steve

[THE eXchanger]

recently i flew on
Air Transat,
from LHR to YYZ
what was odd,
is that the little tag,
they give you with your seat #
said
Air France ???

is that odd ???

WHY WOULD it NOT say, AIR TRANSAT ???

also-i didn't see Air France, hooked up in any way, to this other airline

love/susan-the eXchanger

also, i orig. was going to fly that day,
and, was told no, return saturday/do NOT fly on sunday

[waitinginthewings]

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Guess I know why I don't fly besides being "broke". Is there a cruise ship that goes to Ecuador?

__________________________________________________ _
Humpty Dumpty sat on a Wall...Humpty Dumpty had a great Fall
All the King's soldiers and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty
Together again...

Starlah: even a cruise ship is not necessarily safe either, you could be tossed overboard without a trace, and even get a nasty virus.......perhaps a train:lol3::lmao:

[mudra]

Here is the article Steve:
From : " the Australian "

Rush to replace sensors after air union threat

Article from: The Australian
AIR France scrambled to replace speed sensors on its A330 Airbuses yesterday after a pilots' union urged crew to boycott the long-range jets because faulty airspeed readings were suspected over last week's crash off Brazil.

"To prevent a repeat of this disaster we call on flight deck and cabin crew to refuse flights aboard the A330 and A340 series which have not been modified," said Alter, a union to which 10 per cent of the airline's crew belong.

As salvage teams in the Atlantic recovered more of the 228 bodies from Flight 447, Air France and European aviation authorities sought to calm a scare over unreliable pitot tubes - the probes that measure airspeed. Several airlines flying similar aircraft rushed to reassure passengers that they used a different sensor.

The first data from the doomed airliner reported a pitot failure and Air France has acknowledged that its jets had suffered several similar incidents. The Airbus went out of control as the electronic flight system failed after receiving conflicting airspeed readings from its three pitot tubes. Pitot tubes have long been prone to blocking by ice, rain and insects.

A failure in airspeed indication is a big handicap for a pilot but the aircraft can still be flown by hand with power settings and attitude, the orientation of the aircraft in relation to its flight direction.

Air France said that it was upgrading the probes, made by the French company Thales, on each of its 35 long-haul Airbuses but had not done so on the one that crashed on June 1.

Last night the SNPL, the main pilots' union, said that two out of three pitot tubes had now been replaced on all A330s.

read more here:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25616968-2703,00.html

Kindness
mudra

[Steve_A]

Hi Mudra,

That scenario of the article is to try and put the blame on the Pitot manufacturer Thales and not on Air France or Boeing.

If Air France was found at fault, people would stop travelling on Air France, especially this day and age where the economy and terrorism is high on peoples' minds.

If Boeing was deemed to be at fault, orders would be cancelled and Boeing for sure would go out of business.

I'm sure that the situation of the French pilots' union Alter has been concocted to try and steer the attention away from Air France and Boeing (after everything I've heard about the UAW in the States, dirty underhand deals made by unions will no longer be a shock to me). After all, failing companies mean fewer workers and that means the unions' bottom line will be affected.

Unfortunately I still haven't found another source for the Boeing workers' comments, I only heard the story on CBN, a very respected news channel on Brazilian radio. But just to back up my case further, not every news article about the subject has added information such as:

"But the secretary general of another French pilots' union, SNPL, said Monday the tubes were not likely the cause of the crash. Pitots are "a possible contributing factor," Julien Gourguechon said, but even without them, "we can make the plane fly.""

http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009-06/09/content_8263459.htm


"But some pilots said that the planes should remain flyable even if the Pitot tubes ice over in thunder storms. European Aviation Safety Agency issued a precautionary safety bulletin Tuesday reminding operators about existing procedures to safely fly the aircraft even when air speed indicators malfunction.

"We are aware of issues with this in the past, but at no time were they classified as safety-critical," said Daniel Hoeltgen, the agency's spokesman."

"France, Brazil and the Pentagon [ What does the Pentagon have to do with it? - Steve ] have said there are no signs that terrorism was involved in the crash."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090609/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/brazil_plane

Something just doesn't smell right.

Best regards,

Steve





Here is the article Steve:
From : " the Australian "

Rush to replace sensors after air union threat

Article from: The Australian
AIR France scrambled to replace speed sensors on its A330 Airbuses yesterday after a pilots' union urged crew to boycott the long-range jets because faulty airspeed readings were suspected over last week's crash off Brazil.

"To prevent a repeat of this disaster we call on flight deck and cabin crew to refuse flights aboard the A330 and A340 series which have not been modified," said Alter, a union to which 10 per cent of the airline's crew belong.

As salvage teams in the Atlantic recovered more of the 228 bodies from Flight 447, Air France and European aviation authorities sought to calm a scare over unreliable pitot tubes - the probes that measure airspeed. Several airlines flying similar aircraft rushed to reassure passengers that they used a different sensor.

[Steve_A]

Hi Everyone,

Just one day after the report that someone in the Boeing company has been talking a little too much, the president of Air France today stated that the Pitot sensors are NOT TO BE BLAMED for the Air France tradgedy.

In an article on the Radio France website the director of Air France-KLM, Pierre-Henri Gourgeon said that he was not convinced that the sensors were the origin of the accident.

“As I'm not convinced the the sensors are the cause of the accident, there's no reason to publish a statement”, he replied when being questioned about the lack of transparency of the company in relation to the release of information about the accident.

http://www.rfi.fr/actubr/articles/114/article_14216.asp

Basically what this means is that when the pilots union started making a noise about changing the sensors he kept quiet, allowing the general public to be led into thinking that this move by the pilots confirmed the fact that the sensors were the probable reason for the accident.

When he was pulled on this by a reporter who had a bit more b****, he tried to cover his back.

So now we know, Pierre-Henri Gourgeon does not beleive that the Pitot tubes were at fault.

Now it's a case of finding the black boxes. Will the French sub find them?

Best regards,

Steve

[DiVineEnvy]

Woman who missed Flight 447 is killed in car crash

An Italian woman who arrived late for the Air France plane flight that crashed in the Atlantic last week has been killed in a car accident.

Johanna Ganthaler, a pensioner from Bolzano-Bozen province, had been on holiday in Brazil with her husband Kurt and missed Air France Flight 447 after turning up late at Rio de Janeiro airport on May 31.

All 228 people aboard lost their lives after the plane crashed into the Atlantic four hours into its flight to Paris.

The ANSA news agency reported that the couple had managed to pick up a flight from Rio the following day.

It said that Ms Ganthaler died when their car veered across a road in Kufstein, Austria, and swerved into an oncoming truck. Her husband was seriously injured.

Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6479203.ece

[burgundia]

Now they are saying that the Airbus was coming apart in mid-air for several minutes before hitting the ocean....

[mudra]

A Past Flight May Offer Clues to Air France 447
From: TIME

We'll never know what it was like to be aboard Air France Flight 447 as it plunged into the Atlantic Ocean on May 31, apparently killing all 228 aboard. For now, the closest we may get is listening to the passengers on a similar Airbus 330 jet whose flight computer put it into an uncommanded dive over northwestern Australia last October.

Qantas Flight 72 had been airborne for three hours, flying uneventfully on autopilot from Singapore to Perth, Australia. But as the in-flight dinner service wrapped up, the aircraft's flight-control computer went crazy. The plane abruptly entered a smooth 650-ft. dive (which the crew sensed was not being caused by turbulence) that sent dozens of people smashing into the airplane's luggage bins and ceiling. More than 100 of the 300 people on board were hurt, with broken bones, neck and spinal injuries, and severe lacerations splattering blood throughout the cabin.

"It was horrendous, absolutely gruesome, terrible," passenger Jim Ford told Australian radio. "The worst experience of my life." Passenger Nigel Court said he was terrified to watch people not wearing seat belts — including his wife — fly upward. "She crashed headfirst into the roof above us," he told a reporter. "People were screaming," said Henry Bishop of Oxford, England. A Sri Lankan couple said they were thrown to the ceiling when their seat belts failed. "We saw our own deaths," said Sam Samaratunga, who was traveling with his wife Rani to their son's wedding. "We decided to die together and embraced each other."

Following an investigation of the A330's uncommanded dive, Australian aviation officials, assisted by U.S. and French authorities, blamed a pair of simultaneous failures for the near disaster. The plane has three air data inertial reference units (ADIRUs), which are designed to help the plane's flight-control computer fly the plane safely. The system is intended to eliminate the possibility of electronic error: the flight computer, which is always monitoring the trio, can disregard one ADIRU if it begins relaying information that conflicts with the other two.

But that's not what happened when one of them went awry on Oct. 7 and began sending erroneous data spikes on the plane's angle of attack (AOA) — the angle between its wings and the air flowing over them — to the flight-control computer. "For some reason, the damn computer disregarded the healthy channels," says Hans Weber, an aviation expert who heads Tecop International, an aviation-consulting firm in San Diego. "Instead, it acted upon the information from the rogue channel." The computer, responding to the faulty data, put the plane into a dive.

In its preliminary investigative report, released on March 6, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau said Airbus had initially said it didn't know of any other similar events. But when the same thing happened again, involving a different aircraft, on Dec. 27, Airbus combed its computerized flight files and found data fingerprints suggesting similar ADIRU problems had occurred on a total of four flights. One of the earlier instances, in fact, included a September 2006 event on the same plane that entered the uncommanded dive in October (the other three flights had continued safely on). The same VCR-sized ADIRU was to blame in both those cases, although it had supposedly undergone a needed realignment following the 2006 event. All three planes carried the same brand and model of ADIRU, as do 397 of the 900 330s and 340s in the Airbus fleet.

It is not yet known whether Air France 447, an A330, carried the troublesome variety of ADIRU. But if it did, and if the Air France plane plummeted into an uncommanded dive while traveling through a downdraft generated by storms — a common occurrence over the region of the Atlantic Ocean where the plane went down — it could have been doomed as it entered a steep dive and likely broke up.

read more:
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1902421,00.html?xid=rss-topstories


How many of these events do they need to actually handle these faulty things !!!!

kindness
mudra

[burgundia]

Air France crash: autopsies suggest plane broke up in air
Multiple fractures on the bodies of victims of the Air France disaster suggest the plane broke up in the air, post mortem results have revealed.


By Henry Samuel in Paris
Published: 7:48PM BST 17 Jun 2009
Members of the Brazilian Air Force carry the body of a victim of Air France flight 447: Air France plane broke up over 'number of minutes'
Members of the Brazilian Air Force carry the body of a victim of Air France flight 447 Photo: REUTERS

In the latest sign that Flight 447 was no longer intact when it plunged into the Atlantic, medical examiners said the bodies had multiple fractures of legs, hips and arms.

Such injuries could mean the plane broke apart in air, forensic experts said. Bodies and debris would be severely fragmented if the jet crashed intact.

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French air crash: Race to find black boxes from Air France flight

The theory that the plane broke up in the air is also supported by the location of victims' bodies found more than 50 miles apart.

However, experts have all but ruled out a mid-explosion as the bodies reportedly show no signs of burns.

Air crash investigators yesterday said there were "getting closer" to understanding what brought down the Airbus A330 en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris with 228 people on board.

But they urged relatives to have "a lot of patience".

Speaking in Paris, they announced that a 50th body has been found in the choppy ocean waters, where bad weather is hampering the search.

They said that 400 pieces of wreckage from "all zones" of Flight 447 had been recovered, and the picture of what went wrong was slowly becoming clearer.

"Considering all the work that has been done and all we have at our disposal, I think we may be getting a bit closer to our goal," said Paul-Louis Arslanian, head of France's air accident investigation bureau, the BEA.

However, he urged the public to show "a lot of patience" while the search continued in "unfavourable conditions".

Herve Morin, France's defence minister, promised on Tuesday that the hunt for more wreckage and bodies would continue while there was hope of finding the plane's black boxes.

Homing signals from the flight data and cockpit voice recorders are being sought by the Brazilian military, a French nuclear submarine and Dutch ships towing two hi-tech US Navy listening devices.

Their beacons will fade within two weeks.

Nelson Jobim, Brazil's defence minister, said the French would continue searching and helping to identify the bodies, but the entire identification process would take place in Brazil "to avoid double autopsies, which would be a horrible thing for the families".

The BEA yesterday said it regretted its medical experts had not being authorised to take part in post mortems with their Brazilian counterparts.


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[Steve_A]

Hi burgundia,

I saw a report similar to this yesterday on the Yahoo! website. A detail which was included in the other report was that the fact there were no burns on the bodies doesn't mean to say that there was no explosion on board the aircraft, it could have happened under the passenger cabin, for example.

I can't remember the link to it and when I read the report I was too tired after a busy day to post the information, waiting to post it today...

You beat me to it. :D

Best regards,

Steve


Air France crash: autopsies suggest plane broke up in air
Multiple fractures on the bodies of victims of the Air France disaster suggest the plane broke up in the air, post mortem results have revealed.


By Henry Samuel in Paris
Published: 7:48PM BST 17 Jun 2009
Members of the Brazilian Air Force carry the body of a victim of Air France flight 447: Air France plane broke up over 'number of minutes'
Members of the Brazilian Air Force carry the body of a victim of Air France flight 447 Photo: REUTERS

In the latest sign that Flight 447 was no longer intact when it plunged into the Atlantic, medical examiners said the bodies had multiple fractures of legs, hips and arms.

Such injuries could mean the plane broke apart in air, forensic experts said. Bodies and debris would be severely fragmented if the jet crashed intact.

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The theory that the plane broke up in the air is also supported by the location of victims' bodies found more than 50 miles apart.

However, experts have all but ruled out a mid-explosion as the bodies reportedly show no signs of burns.

Air crash investigators yesterday said there were "getting closer" to understanding what brought down the Airbus A330 en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris with 228 people on board.

But they urged relatives to have "a lot of patience".

Speaking in Paris, they announced that a 50th body has been found in the choppy ocean waters, where bad weather is hampering the search.

They said that 400 pieces of wreckage from "all zones" of Flight 447 had been recovered, and the picture of what went wrong was slowly becoming clearer.

"Considering all the work that has been done and all we have at our disposal, I think we may be getting a bit closer to our goal," said Paul-Louis Arslanian, head of France's air accident investigation bureau, the BEA.

However, he urged the public to show "a lot of patience" while the search continued in "unfavourable conditions".

Herve Morin, France's defence minister, promised on Tuesday that the hunt for more wreckage and bodies would continue while there was hope of finding the plane's black boxes.

Homing signals from the flight data and cockpit voice recorders are being sought by the Brazilian military, a French nuclear submarine and Dutch ships towing two hi-tech US Navy listening devices.

Their beacons will fade within two weeks.

Nelson Jobim, Brazil's defence minister, said the French would continue searching and helping to identify the bodies, but the entire identification process would take place in Brazil "to avoid double autopsies, which would be a horrible thing for the families".

The BEA yesterday said it regretted its medical experts had not being authorised to take part in post mortems with their Brazilian counterparts.


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[waitinginthewings]

Can Remote Viewers go back in time to when the accident happened and bring back info of what happened? Just curious?

[michaelg]

Can Remote Viewers go back in time to when the accident happened and bring back info of what happened? Just curious?

Of course they can do it and also those who can access the akashic records might find something about it. I presume they're not allowed due to national security concerns, but alas people died even children among them. I think is time to learn remote viewing and it takes time and discipline, but will pay off. Astralwalker (Pane Andov) just wrote an interesting book about it, google it. He also gives courses on remote viewing, more about it here: http://www.globalhealingmeditation.org/id5.html

[BROOK]

Check this out, and see what you think? I thought it was pretty amazing footage :mfr_omg:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2009b/airfrancevideo.html

[burgundia]

I'm not a remote viewer but in my dream the passenger plane started spiraling down seconds after a huge object flew just above it and caused some kind of turbulence...However it was only my dream....4-5 days before the event...

[Tango]

Steve,

This is MY last post on this.....

The cover up of the 187 on 1 June 09

France, thinks we're alll so Stupid.... I see the lies, do YOU...?

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/investigators_determine_air_france

Trooly,


Tango