Tell Me Who I Am

[orthodoxymoron]

It's becoming a pattern with me. I like to watch(or listen to) groupings of longer videos and recordings regarding a particular subject. This thread is regarding who we are...or supposedly are. I'm very confused and conflicted concerning this very basic subject. Here are several videos for your viewing pleasure. Please watch them more than once...if you can. There is so much material to absorb. I'm finding these videos to be quite enlightening and therapeutic...in an upsetting sort of way...if that makes sense. We live in a very strange universe. Nothing is neat and tidy.

1. Angelika Whitecliff http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2243728372708503124

2. Lloyd Pye http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1285345463618889531

3. Michael Cremo (French introduction and English Lecture): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2895087993533041198&hl=en

4. A'shayana Deane (Anna Hayes): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nywl-rs9hJM&feature=PlayList&p=83677BEFBA363BE4&index=0&playnext=1

5. Ralph Ellis

A. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis.htm

B. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/rellis2.htm

6. Alex Collier http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-616495947939806971

7. Jonathan Gray www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g-T6Ud110c&feature=PlayList&p=B96E8E942F902697&index=0&playnext=1YouTube - Hidden Discoveries Pt.1

[Orion11]

ohh this is an easy one....

you are the very same as the rest of us.

you ARE us. :wub2:

[Unified Serenity]

Hi ODM... I am a created being of the Divine One as are you. I am just part of that oneness of creation, and the driving force of it is Divine love. No other path matters. No other existence matters than to walk in love and treat others with love and respect.

Beyond that I do not care what someone's path is, what they do for a living, who they love and marry. I have learned I think my greatest lesson to live in whatever existence I am in divine love and emanating positive life giving love wherever I may be. No matter the circumstances, no one can take that blessing from me, and I look forward to active oneness with all kindred souls.

edit: OK so I totally missed the point of this thread.... lmao (note I think it said something else when i first responded... i am seeing thingssssssssssss)

[orthodoxymoron]

I guess there is security and solace in being part of a group...even a really screwed-up group. We're all in this together...it takes all kinds...and the show must go on.
But why?

How do I know that I'm not an alien or a hybrid? Are we all completely human? Are some of us completely reptilian? Do all of us have reptilian components in our DNA? Were we created? By whom? Anunaki? Draconians? Pleiadians? Orions? Does the Divine One live on Nibiru? Who created them? Did we evolve? Here...or somewhere else? Did human life begin here...or was Earth colonized? How old is my soul(if I have a soul)? Will my soul really exist forever? If not...what's the point? Did I live in Atlantis? Did I live in Lemuria? Am I a good person or a bad person? I keep getting a sinking feeling that I am merely a Base 4 Mutation.
I wanted to be more...a lot more.

A slimy amoeba in the deep blue sea was the great grand-dad of you and me.
Then I was a monkey swinging in a tree.
Now I'm a teacher...I've got my PhD.
See what science has done for me?

[mntruthseeker]

ohh this is an easy one....

You are the very same as the rest of us.

You are us. :wub2:



yes that is who you are you are us

As my good friend says, Lauren Zimmerman.................think of it as all of us in one big balloon. we are all connected and in the same space

[Luminous]

Hi, Ortho, I agree with everyone else that we are all from the same Source, and whatever our circumstances in the physical, our deepest goal is to learn to love each other.

On the other hand, I'm of the opinion that we've been tinkered with on a genetic level by many players.

If I may, I'd like to offer for your reading pleasure a Very Long Thread on the Noble Dreams forum (offspring of the now closed Noble Realms forum, which was the sister to the Montalk website). It is, appropriately, the Bloodline thread, and is, as I said, Very Long, so peruse when you have a couple days. :original:

Here's the link: http://www.nobledreams.co.uk/viewtopic.php?id=73

Lots of interesting food for thought there.

Cheers.

[mudra]

It's becoming a pattern with me. I like to watch(or listen to) groupings of longer videos and recordings regarding a particular subject. This thread is regarding who we are...or supposedly are. I'm very confused and conflicted concerning this very basic subject. Here are several videos for your viewing pleasure:

1. Angelika Whitecliff http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2243728372708503124&hl=en

2. Lloyd Pye http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1285345463618889531

3. A'shayana Deane http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6312852949599163637&hl=en

4. Alex Collier http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-616495947939806971
Being is not only beyond but also deep within every form as its innermost invisible and indestructible essence. This means that it is accessible to you now as your own deepest self, your true nature. But don't seek to grasp it with your mind. Don't try to understand it. You can know it only when the mind is still. When you are present, when your attention is fully and intensely in the Now, Being can be felt, but it can never be understood mentally. To regain awareness of Being and to abide in that state of "feeling-realization" is enlightenment.

Be present as the watcher of your mind -- of your thoughts and emotions as well as your reactions in various situations. Be at least as interested in your reactions as in the situation or person that causes you to react. Notice also how often your attention is in the past or future. Don't judge or analyze what you observe. Watch the thought, feel the emotion, observe the reaction. Don't make a personal problem out of them. You will then feel something more powerful than any of those things that you observe: the still, observing presence itself behind the content of your mind, the silent watcher.

Many expressions that are in common usage, and sometimes the structure of language itself, reveal the fact that people don't know who they are. You say: "He lost his life" or "my life," as if life were something that you can possess or lose. The truth is: you don't have a life, you are life. The One Life, the one consciousness that pervades the entire universe and takes temporary form to experience itself as a stone or blade of grass, as an animal, a person, a star or a galaxy.

Can you sense deep within that you already know that? Can you sense that you already are That?

When you lose touch with inner stillness, you lose touch with yourself. When you lose touch with yourself, you lose yourself in the world.

Your innermost sense of self, of who you are, is inseparable from stillness. This is the I Am that is deeper than name and form.

Stillness Speaks - Eckhart Tolle

No one will ever be able to answer that question Orthodoxymoron but you.
This can't be conveyed to you through the field of the mind.

Kindness
Mudra

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you mudra...I appreciate your comment. My problem is that my mind is still...too much of the time. I have to work at making my mind work.
I'm looking for truth...not tranquility.

Did my soul exist 1,000,000,000 years ago? Will it exist 1,000,000,000 years from now? If so...will my memories survive? If not...what is the meaning of this?
We're supposed to be divine...so I must be a God with Alzheimers.

[Orion11]

We're supposed to be divine...so I must be a God with Alzheimers.

One of about 6 billion and some.

thankfully the "alzheimers" is starting to lose its potency and is becoming weaker.

some questions , like many you asked above..
just dont have an answer in this time.

focus on things that do have answers and that will create harmony.

not things that only lead to more questions, with nothing but bs answers... because noone has the real answers.

sorry, but if anyone tells you they do,
turn and walk away, because they are not being honest.

peace.

:wub2:

[orthodoxymoron]

Knowing who we are...where we came from...what we are supposed to be doing...and where we are going...may be necessary to get ourselves out of this mess. Someone...or something...seems to be keeping us in the dark...regarding all of the above. Keep asking questions. Keep knocking the damn doors down.

[mudra]

Knowing who we are...where we came from...what we are supposed to be doing...and where we are going...may be necessary to get ourselves out of this mess. Someone...or something...seems to be keeping us in the dark...regarding all of the above. Keep asking questions. Keep knocking the damn doors down.
Orthodoxymoron,

It's good to ask questions but you need to ask the right ones.
As regard the soul the point is that it's not that you " have " a soul but
rather that the soul is Who You are , it's " Being" rather than "having",
and that " Being " is ever present in the Now and as such is immortal.

In the human complex the soul operates a physical body through the field
of the mind .As a soul you are witness and participant to this in the ever present
Now. You are stillness but everything around you moves through time.

Kindness
mudra

[777 The Great Work]

I am
I = 9=EYE = Back into the womb of the great Mother
Am =14 with no attachments, and trancender of time and space

I Am = 23 master of death and circumstance.

[Orion11]

Orthodoxymoron,

It's good to ask questions but you need to ask the right ones.
As regard the soul the point is that it's not that you " have " a soul but
rather that the soul is Who You are , it's " Being" rather than "having",
and that " Being " is ever present in the Now and as such is immortal.

In the human complex the soul operates a physical body through the field
of the mind .As a soul you are witness and participant to this in the ever present
Now. You are stillness but everything around you moves through time.

Kindness
mudra

:wub2:

[orthodoxymoron]

I think that I could watch(listen to) the 5 links in the first post...over and over again. I don't know how much is true...but the possibilities are astronomical. I think that these perspectives are moving us in the right direction. The gods of this world(Draconian and Anunaki?) are not the God of the Universe. Unfortunately...I think that we are dealing with the gods of this world...and that they are not very nice. So...we have a big problem. I'd like to see the gods of this world leave...at least for awhile...and let us sort this thing out for ourselves. We will probably make lots of mistakes...but they will be our mistakes...and we will learn from these mistakes...and become better and better...every day and in every way. At some point...we may be able to interact with our former gods in a constructive manner...when they have matured...and we have matured. This may take thousands of years. These gods have given us much...but they have robbed us of so very much more. I don't hate them...even if they hate us. I don't want them to be hurt or killed. I don't want them to go away mad. I just want them to go away. Sorry Lucifer. Of all the words that tongue can tell...the saddest are 'It might have been.'

[orthodoxymoron]

Has anyone watched or listened to the 5 links in the first post? I maintain that listening to these 5 links as a group...several times...is a constructive spiritual exercise. Again...I can't vouch for the material...but a lot of it seems to be going in the right direction...and may be helpful in recognizing truth and error. There is a progressive spiritual component present in the presentation of the intellectual information. They have filled a spiritual and intellectual void for me. See what you think.

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm starting to get really worried. The numbers of people participating in the forum are not what they should be...given the troubled and confused times we are living in. There is a tremendous amount of new information out there...and the public needs to sort through this material in a calm and rational manner. I like Alex Jones...but that's not my style. I like this forum format...but I am not seeing the type of discussion...both in interest levels and numbers...that I would like to see.

Tell me who I am. But also tell me what is going on in alternative thinking. I know very little about these subjects...which is why I ask a lot of questions.
I'm just seeing a lot of dots not being connected...that need to be connected...to get us out of this mess.

[orthodoxymoron]

This is probably the most fascinating thread I have started so far(less than a dozen, I'm sure). Understanding our real history...going back billions of years perhaps...is probably the key to the present and future. Now I'm talking about the cutting edge history that we were not taught about in school. There is a whole world opening up to our understanding which is changing everything. Tell me what you think about all of this. I added another link(Jonathan Gray) to the first post. Here it is: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g-T6Ud110c&feature=PlayList&p=B96E8E942F902697&index=0&playnext=1YouTube - Hidden Discoveries Pt.1

[Lorien]

Tell me who I am. But also tell me what is going on in alternative thinking. I know very little about these subjects...which is why I ask a lot of questions.
I'm just seeing a lot of dots not being connected...that need to be connected...to get us out of this mess.

Orthodoxy, no one can "tell you who you are". That is something that you must find out for yourself. That is part of spiritual development. If you were handed the answers to everything on a silver platter, you would learn nothing about who you really are.

As far as what's going on in alternative thinking, that is a very open ended question. There are so many people thinking so many different things it's hard to keep track of it all. All of us here have been where you have been, but again there is no way to tell you everything, at least not without writing a 2000 page book. Again this is a journey that you alone must take. We can do what we all do for each other, and that is share links, information, and speculations. I can promise that not a single Alternative Thinker out there is 100% correct about everything. And there are some of them who are 100% wrong about everything. The goal is to come to a conclusion from your heart, as to what you feel is the truth.

Personally, I take in all information that I can, looking at all scenarios and topics from multiple angles. One of the beauties of being human is the fact that we have the ability to reason and use logic to discover that which is hidden. We must use that gift on a daily basis to analyze everything around us.

We are here on this plane of existence to experience the gamut of human emotions so that we may grow as a spiritual being and then return to the collective consciousness and share the human life experience.

[THE eXchanger]

we are all distinct notes in the same song !!!

[orthodoxymoron]

Good to see you posting, Susan! Don't forget about us!

Thank-you for your thoughtful response, Lorien.

Did the God of the Universe create us in a single 24 hour period...6,000 years ago? Did we evolve from lower primates? Did the Anunnaki create us by combining their DNA with hominid DNA...to be good, obedient slaves? Were we created somewhere else...and then seeded here to colonize Earth? Were we chased here in a Star Wars? Did the Anunnaki defeat us...and then genetically modify us...to dumb us down...to make us good, obedient slaves? Are we still good, obedient slaves? Can we be spiritually and genetically modified to regain our former glory? Are we in the middle of a universal Star Wars to decide who gets to be Almighty God and Masters of the Universe? Are we fighting to decide who gets to be the Master Race and God's Chosen People? Are the Reptilians playing 'God'? Why isn't freewill tempered with responsibility? Will all malevolent beings(human and non-human) be exorcised from Earth soon? Is 2012 Judgment Day...to determine who gets to control the stargates? Are we capable of ruling ourselves? Are we better off being ruled by Reptilians? Is Lucifer a Reptilian? Do we really have to play these stupid wargames? Why can't we learn to share and play nice? Can't we just get along? Was that 20 questions?

[Seashore]

I have started thinking of myself as one of numerous species of beings in the universe (multiverse?), all of which share in the same energy. I don't worry about the details. I know I can't figure it out and I'll drive myself crazy trying to...

[orthodoxymoron]

I've been crazy for a long time...so I don't have to worry about going crazy. That frees me up to ask the unanswerable questions...and to expect convincing answers.

[mudra]

I've been crazy for a long time...so I don't have to worry about going crazy. That frees me up to ask the unanswerable questions...and to expect convincing answers.
Your interest towards humanity's history and origins is interesting and legitimate.
Research it as long as you need as it seems pertinent to you at the moment.
However remember that this is not where you'll find the answer to the question of
" who you really are " . The realm of spirit where you belong as a soul is not subject
to time. Only the human body and mind is subject to time.
You are and will always BE in the now from where you can look and put your attention
to pictures that can be plotted on a linear line.
No matter how convincing the world around you is ..it's illusion ..
The whole challenge is to realize it .

Kindness to you
mudra

[Seashore]

...and to expect convincing answers.

How will you know when you're convinced?

[orthodoxymoron]

When I have considered all of the possibilities...and compared them exhaustively...and received a divine sign. Seriously...we don't know everything about everything. We don't know everything about anything. Everything is related to everything. So...we have to know everything about everything...to know everything about anything. Are you convinced?

[THE eXchanger]

please start listening to your soul song --

your new bodies are starting to TURN ON !!!

that ability to hear higher
and, also to see higher

it helps to open your third eye

by staring at a light bulb

then closing your eyes

and, then moving "the light"

throughout, your whole body !!!

if you want to know who you are

YOU ASK, YOU ASK, AND, YOU ASK

until you hear an answer

YOUR OLD WISE ONE, is on board equipment

eventually, if it thinks, you are serious enough

it answers you !!!

[THE eXchanger]

you have heard the eXpression --- DEAD WOOD

this planet is full of a lot of dead wood !!!

there, is also another eXpression --- DEAD WOULD !!!

after you are DEAD, or at least physically DEAD

then, you WOULD know, what it iS,

that you truly are !!!

wakey-wakey

All of you came in,

right NOW

to play the biggest role,

you could ever imagine

the old boys/and, old girls

NEVER thought, you would wake up

look at what a lot of folks are doing:

in record numbers -- you have turned off the tv

you have stopped buying their newspapers

you have stopped buying their magazines

you have stopped buying cars that do NOT last

and,

you have PUT a monkey's wrench into their plan

in other words

you are all doing GOOD WORK !!!

WHAT ELSE can you do,

to be who you are ???

This could be fun ...

perhaps, we should post many lists --

get rid of your stock in the stock market

cash in your 401K , and, RRSP

and, spend the money - on something useful

sooner or later

you will all awaken to your real brilliance

the the old boys/and, old girls

have over the past 30 + years

attempted, and, tried to shut you down

they tried to get you eating tv dinners

(with little or NO nutrition) to dull your brains

and, sit on a coach watching "tv"
like a coach potatoe etc.,

DID it work -- HELL, NO

look AT how many people are opting

for using the computer

TIMES ARE CHANGING !!!

and, very fast, i might add

GOOD WORK, is always, and, in all ways GOOD WORK !!!

ask, ask, ask,
to be who you really are !!!

then, and, only then
will you truly awaken
TO ALL that you are

i am -- is loaded with many potentialS

i am, that, i am ....

and, then some

they did NOT want you to know that

it is time to span

the length, width and depth of all that

you are !!!

i am - anything, and, everything that i choose to be

you are so powerful, it might frighten you !!!

There are a whole lot of blanks right in front of you,
and, it is up to each, and, every one of you,
to start a process,
to fill in your BLANKS

Will it, to be, so, it will be

and, quite likely you will surprise yourself

at just,
how much different
that you feel, see, and, sense things around you

when you start to make statements,
that, will yourself into TRUE BEING

in an information age -- there are NO secrets

this internet, was a gift,
from our brothers/and, sisters
from higher dimensions

and, it is like a big freight train,
that can run around the world
in a matter of seconds,
at merely the tapping of fingers on a keyboard,
and, the mere flick of a wrist,
or, the pushing of one finger

and, thoughts are magically transported to others

NOPE they never counted on this

and, the best part --

we can all particpate in this parade !!!

[orthodoxymoron]

Susan, thank-you for your wisdom and enthusiasm! Did we get the internet from benevolent ETs? Which ones? I thought that Al Gore invented the internet? Is AL an ET? Is Al a high ranking member of Giza Intelligence aka the renegade Pleiadians who helped Hitler until 1941(unconfirmed) and were supposedly removed from Earth in the late 1970's by the Pleiadians? Did Earth receive anti-gravity, free-energy, time-travel, nuclear weapons, integrated circuits, etc. from the same ETs...or have we received technology from more than one group of ETs? We are quickly becoming a global community...who will probably be much less likely to kill each other. We are forming a responsibly free global community...and not the tyrannical New World Order envisioned by the malevolent ETs. Will they try to use extermination and enslavement to control us? Do we threaten their reign of terror throughout the universe? Do the Pleiadians want to control us as much as the Draconians or Anunnaki? Are we the loose cannons of the universe? Is this all about Freedom vs Tyranny? Oh...never mind...just tell me who I am.

[TraineeHuman]

As Mudra and others have said, if you look at how meditation works, it’s based on sooner or later getting you to experience the gaps between your thoughts. Those gaps – that stillness or peace or letting-it-be-ness – is, obviously, whatever’s left over once you’ve taken away whatever you normally consider to be “you”. Meditation is based on the fact that what’s left over is not nothing, but is actually the essence of who you are. So: one answer is to practise meditation, because what meditation is is a kind of fiendishly clever experiment that keeps leaving you with nothing but who you really are. It’s a kind of ancient technology for exploring precisely your question.

A second answer is to find out more who you really are moment by moment. That means learning to have a kind of mirror in which you keep seeing yourself within the bigger picture of your activities. In the spiritual traditions, particularly the esoteric ones, this is even more important than meditation. It’s called things like self-observation, or self-reflection, or (metaphorically) opening your eyes, or (metaphorically) waking up or staying awake. By contrast, all people “normally” have a false mirror with them, that the spiritual traditions often call “the ego”.

And so on. When you throw away the religious nonsense, what’s left in the spiritual traditions is quite often sophisticated methods for exploring your question.

I appreciate, of course, you may imagine these types of practices, etc are unlikely to answer the question in the ways you want. Obviously, in addition to the questions you've listed, you want to know details like “Is life on this planet ultimately just a school, and if so, is it the toughest school in the galaxy in many ways?” (Correct answer: yes.) And does absolutely everything in my life happen more “from” me rather than “to” me? (Correct answer: big yes.) And are human beings (as distinct from dracos who have incarnated as humans) among the highest beings in the universe? Have these high beings voluntarily decided to play hide-and-seek with themselves and forget who they are and made themselves low and weak and kind of thrown away the key because that’s the most far-out game the Divine beings could ever play with themselves? And also because the ultimate test of strength is to play being incredibly weak and to be tossed around in a whirlpool of total craziness and still, in one’s heart, not be beaten? And is this planet in the very middle of a mind-bogglingly gigantic intergalactic war, and that’s just one example of the Divine being determined to slum it out for a while? (I leave the reader to guess the correct answer by now.) And have human beings been subjected to very considerably greater slavery and oppression in lifetimes in the distant past? And so on, and on. One of the things previous posters seem to be pointing out, though, is that knowing all the answers isn’t the full answer, so to speak. Not-knowing is also one way of exploring the universe, and therefore part of what you need to explore to get the whole picture. Or to put it another way, maybe such a thing as the whole picture doesn’t exist?

But I hope I've said enough to kind of explain why "God with Alzheimers" is actually a fuller and greater version of God, when we consider that that Alzheimers is only temporary. Yes, you are a soul, and yes, you do exist forever, and beyond that too. I know that totally for sure, but I probably couldn't have gotten that knowing except through becoming very experienced at meditation. And yes, it's all very much about freedom. But how can you understand freedom fully if you haven't first tasted all the flavors of tyranny? I know one doesn't have to become an alcoholic to understand the dangers of abusing alcohol. But I think it's necessary to get drunk at least once.

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you for your detailed and reasonable responses.

In a sense...I don't care who I am...as long as I live forever(in some way, shape, or form)...remember all of my past-lives(if necessary)...and stay out of war, enslavement, and extreme suffering. It wouldn't surprise me if I was a spiritual and physical mongrel...and had been involved in unbelievable achievements and utter depravity. I would simply like to see the universe become a friendly place where all war and atrocity would cease to exist forever. Life should be enjoyed...not endured. I would be happy to live in a neighborhood of Reptilians, Greys, Pleiadians, etc, etc...as long as they didn't hurt or kill me...and respected my privacy and personal freedom. I'm thinking that all races have been horrible...and done terrible things to each other. I'm thinking that even God has been a Devil. I see the universe as being one big mess. We need to clean it up...without hurting or killing anyone.

[mudra]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPg9DnMP2D4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yoga-mind-control.com%2Feckhart-tolle-1.html&feature=player_embedded

Kindness
mudra

[mudra]

Mind you Orthodoxymoron I am well aware of what 's happening out there on planet Earth.
As you I am comtemplating a world where humanity can live in peace as one harmonious community.
I believe this starts by working on oneself.

OUR EMOTIONAL STATE IS ALSO NOT PRIVATE
Clearly our thoughts interact with a Field — and this is one of the great secrets that has incredible scientific support, but has not yet reached the level of mainstream acceptance and awareness. Thoughts, ideas and concepts are not private — they are shared amongst us all.
The same is true for our emotional state. Everyone oscillates between certain times when they are angry, frustrated, fearful and nervous, and other times when they are calm, peaceful, tranquil and relaxed. We believe our emotions to be private phenomena, created solely within our own minds.

The repeated demonstration of the Meditation Effect in large cities, over the past 30+ years, clearly shows that our emotions are not an individual phenomenon at all. Small groups of people, holding a higher ‘frequency’ of peace and meditation, have a profound healing effect on their entire city — and beyond.

Excerpt from Divine Cosmos
This Week's Quantum Shift in World Consciousness...
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?op...=476&Itemid=70

Kindness
mudra

[orthodoxymoron]

mudra, I enjoyed listening to Tolle. Thank-you. I will listen to more after I get some rest. :original: Taking the focus off of self is a good thing...and both self exaltation and self degradation...will sink us. They are two sides of the same stupid self-centered coin.

[mudra]

I am glad you enjoyed listening to Eckhart Orthodoxymoron and that this did you good.
You can find many others of his videos on you Tube and over the internet.
They are all worthwhile listening to . Such a peacefull and wise man.
Here are some quotes of him you might enjoy as well.
YouTube - Eckhart Tolle Quotes/Pictures to Music

Be well
kindness
mudra

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you mudra. Here is a link(missing?) to another piece of the puzzle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-9xai73_n8&feature=relatedYouTube - Alien Species 1 - Humans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWR6WE4z20g&feature=relatedYouTube - Alien Species 2 - Greys and Reptilians

[mudra]

Thanks Orthodoxymoron,

Hope you can put all the pieces together at some point .

Kindness
mudra

[orthodoxymoron]

Once more...please take a look at the links in the first post. I've added a couple more links. I'm finding a benefit from listening to/watching these. I'm also finding that I need to listen to/view them several times for the information to really sink in. There is so much new(for me) information. Again...I can't vouch for the accuracy and truth of these...but they seem to be going in the right general direction. I'm interested in hearing both positive and negative responses. I don't believe everything...but they seem to resonate with me.

[orthodoxymoron]

This is just a renewed invitation to consider the videos in the first post...as a group. I'm considering this to be a step in the right direction...rather than the gospel truth.

[TraineeHuman]

Hi, Ortho. It seems to me that there are special problems for anybody trying to find the truth about some of these questions. I'll give you two examples.

My first example is in regard to the statement "I am God," where for "I" you can substitute Orthodoxymoron, TraineeHuman, etc. To most people that statement seems ridiculous. However, throughout two thousand years or more many, if not perhaps even all, of the individuals who have subsequently been acknowledged to have done best at reaching true spiritual awareness, have claimed this statement is literally true. Just because you haven't experienced this for yourself, what right do you have to dismiss it as implausible?

I actually had that very experience myself, at sixteen. It was by far the most vivid, by far the most real experience in every way, in my life. (Well, some of my experiences of and communications with some of the gods --who are all totally human and 200% benevolent and formerly had bodies on this planet -- have been in some ways more vivid. By the way, I have had very brief encounters with the former rabbi Jeshua and his former twin brother Judas, both of whom are gods, but they're certainly not the greatest of the gods.) In some Arab countries, many of the Sufi sages (also the Nazar sages before there was Sufism) got executed simply because they insisted it was literally the truth that we are all God, no less. Voluntarily stuck in cycles of limitation and physicality, but deep inside we are pure God. In all the ancient Eastern meditation traditions, the experience of directly discovering that this is literally true is known as the lowest level of enlightenment. "Enlightenment" doesn't mean being flooded with light. It's an old English word meaning to become lighter, i.e. putting down your load. It sounds to me like that is something you're consciously or subconsciously crying out for.

I give my second example at the risk of sounding crazy, though last time I checked I wasn't crazy. I have some clear memories from millions of years ago, when I wasn't on this planet in physical form. I even only ventured into the astral world of this planet for as brief periods as possible. I remember that at that time there were at least five intelligent species on the planet, and the five were ranked, forming a caste system. The top caste were flying dinosaurs, and although they could fly they used spaceships a lot. Then again, reptilians are often obsessed with technology. Below them were two reptilian castes. The bottom rung was occupied by creatures who were genetically engineered from horses. They had an aquatic and a dry land form. The aquatic form are the ancestors of whales and dolphins today. (By the way, did you know more humans are killed by dolphins than by sharks?) These creatures eventually developed nuclear weapons. However, that was only after the top reptilians agreed to grant them many forms of self-determination. Initially these creatures were treated like slaves, much as humans also originally were in the distant past. Then the creatures rebelled against the reptilians. The reptilians punished the leaders of the rebellion in a cruel way. However, the reptilians also then made a binding agreement with the non-physical beings who ultimately governed what went on on the planet. The reptilians agreed that trying to make people slaves by micro-chipping - which I remember the reptilians introduced in response to the rebellion -- is a foolish move, and the reptilians agreed never to repeat it. So yes, I happen to know that there are beings, absolutely more powerful than any reptilians, who are completely benevolent and who have the final say. I note that on this week's Veritas show there was a witness who said there was an attempt by a renegade branch of reptilians in the 80s to take over the earth. I find that part of this witness's claims credible. But I also understand that the (angelic) authorities in charge of this planet would simply never have allowed such an attempted conquest to come anywhere near succeeding. Even the reptilian interplanetary governments would have sent many troops to fight against the renegades if necessary.

[TraineeHuman]

The point of my second example (and my first example) is that maybe you need more than hearsay to get at the truth, Ortho. Alex Collier and most other such people are very sincere and very intelligent, but let me suggest it's a big mistake to take their testimony as the truth. Unfortunately, I guess maybe they're all you've got. The legal system refuses to even consider hearsay evidence on any issue. That's because of course it can often be totally misleading.

A third example I could give is that I happen to know that our physical universe is only one among a great many physical universes. And that the sum total of all those universes is just a speck within the vast totality of the other varieties of real worlds that are out there (and in here). In quite a few ways, the physical universes are particularly uninteresting, by comparison.

[orthodoxymoron]

I am not blessed with exotic memories and experiences. My life is quite bland. This thread is probably a case of the bland leading the bland...who knows where? I'm not the slave of any source. I am very fickle. I try to consider as many sources as possible...and often these sources conflict with each other in profound ways. I try to look for commonalities. Are the sources in the first post credible...or have they been exposed as charlitans or frauds?

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm leaning toward the theory that us Earthlings are renegade Pleiadians from Aldebaran who sided with Lucifer...got kicked out of Heaven (Pleiades)...fought a civil war with our brothers and sisters...both collaborated with, and fought against, the Dracs...travelled to Sirius...and ended up on Earth in ancient Atlantis. Are we 'fallen angels'? If this is true...no wonder we have so many issues!

Reality check: Is this true...or could it possibly be true?

[orthodoxymoron]

Has anyone listened to and watched the links in the first post? What did you think? What are your conclusions?