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mudra
06-05-2009, 12:10 AM
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Every one of us is going to die someday, so there is no use in being afraid of death. You don't feel miserable at the prospect of losing consciousness of your body in sleep; you accept sleep as a state of freedom to look forward to. So is death; it is a state of rest, a pension from this life. There is nothing to fear. When death comes, laugh at it. Death is only an experience through which you are meant to learn a great lesson: you cannot die.

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Though the ordinary man looks upon death with dread and sadness, those who have gone before know it as a wondrous experience of peace and freedom.

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At death, you forget all the limitations of the physical body and realize how free you are. For the first few seconds there is a sense of fear -- fear of the unknown, of something unfamiliar to the consciousness. But after that comes a great realization: the soul feels a joyous sense of relief and freedom. You know that you exist apart from the mortal body.

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The consciousness of the dying man finds itself suddenly relieved of the weight of the body, of the necessity to breathe, and of any physical pain. A sense of soaring through a tunnel of very peaceful, hazy, dim light is experienced by the soul. Then the soul drifts into a state of oblivious sleep, a million times deeper and more enjoyable than the deepest sleep experienced in the physical body.... The after-death state is variously experienced by different people in accordance with their modes of living while on earth. Just as different people vary in the duration and depth of their sleep, so do they vary in their experiences after death.

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Our real self, the soul, is immortal. We may sleep for a little while in that change called death, but we can never be destroyed. We exist, and that existence is eternal. The wave comes to the shore, and then goes back to the sea; it is not lost. It becomes one with the ocean, or returns again in the form of another wave. This body has come, and it will vanish; but the soul essence within it will never cease to exist. Nothing can terminate that eternal consciousness.

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The selections featured here are excerpted from Paramahansa Yogananda's book, WHERE THERE IS LIGHT: Insight & Inspiration for Meeting Life's Challenges.

I am posting this thread because I feel that as much as we have to understand our relation to life it is as important to understand our relation to death for this is part of our existence .We should not wait for death to come to transcend it and come to the plain realization that we are immortal.

Kindness
mudra

Swanny
06-05-2009, 07:55 AM
Thx Mudra
I don't fear the reaper :death1: :original:

Anchor
06-05-2009, 09:52 AM
Me neither, but when I do go I'd like to go in my sleep like my Grandad, not screaming in panic like his passengers.

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... ok ok, I know its an old one.

Humble Janitor
06-05-2009, 09:53 AM
I'm 50/50 on death. I'd prefer it to come when my loved ones are well-off and will not suffer through such a loss.

shred
06-05-2009, 11:03 AM
I'm 50/50 on death. I'd prefer it to come when my loved ones are well-off and will not suffer through such a loss.

I dont fear death. However I have to agree with Humble, where family is concerned.

Swanny
06-05-2009, 04:23 PM
I'm 50/50 on death. I'd prefer it to come when my loved ones are well-off and will not suffer through such a loss.

How will being well-off help them deal with your death??? :confused:

Dantheman62
06-05-2009, 04:41 PM
Thanks mudra, no fear here either! If I have any relatives left when I die, I will make sure they know how I feel about death and to throw a big party!

Sarahmay
06-05-2009, 05:12 PM
It is my belief that you will not die unless your soul agrees to it. So yes, that means everyone on that plane agreed...ah, but there were those who were supposed to be on that plane but somehow missed it. No coincidence there, they were not ready.

My father, when he was 32, almost died from a penicillin allergy. He was given the choice of whether to stay or go--my brother and I were very young. He said no, I want to stay here and watch my children grow up. Now he is 84. I asked him if he regretted that choice...of course he said no, but I'm sure he had his days!

Carmen
06-08-2009, 06:09 AM
I have hesitated to comment on this thread, but I have decided to anyway! The only Death that humans should accept is death of their ego self which is not physical death. Physical death to me is failure to graduate from this earth school! The wheel of reincarnation is real alright, but its a limitation. We do have examples of people ascending with there bodies and to me its a much more acceptable science.

Death is a bit like time or calendars. Its an agreement, a belief, and we don't have to follow everyone else like lemmings over the cliff!!!

To die and have to come back through birth and learning everything all over again is sad. We are just repeating what we could have learned in our lifetime. And its not about fearing death. Its about asking the question "Is there more to life than what I have been taught" Is this it? Born, grow, die!!! Over and over again. There is more and I know there is more.

Love and Light

Carmen

mudra
06-08-2009, 09:34 AM
I have hesitated to comment on this thread, but I have decided to anyway! The only Death that humans should accept is death of their ego self which is not physical death. Physical death to me is failure to graduate from this earth school! The wheel of reincarnation is real alright, but its a limitation. We do have examples of people ascending with there bodies and to me its a much more acceptable science.

Death is a bit like time or calendars. Its an agreement, a belief, and we don't have to follow everyone else like lemmings over the cliff!!!

To die and have to come back through birth and learning everything all over again is sad. We are just repeating what we could have learned in our lifetime. And its not about fearing death. Its about asking the question "Is there more to life than what I have been taught" Is this it? Born, grow, die!!! Over and over again. There is more and I know there is more.

Love and Light

Carmen
If you fix yourself to a form be it a short lasting one or an everlasting one will that make any difference ?

Having access to that formless realm is truly liberating. It frees you from bondage to form and identification with form. It is life in its undifferentiated state prior to its fragmentation into multiplicity. We may call it the Unmanifested, the invisible Source of all things, the Being within all beings. It is a realm of deep stillness and peace, but also of joy and intense aliveness. Whenever you are present, you become "transparent" to some extent to the light, the pure consciousness that emanates from this Source. You also realize that the light is not separate from who you are but constitutes your very essence.

Echkart Tolle

Kindness
mudra

Carmen
06-08-2009, 10:20 AM
Dear Mudra, to me its not about fixing to a form. The ego is fixed to a form, the Great Self comes and goes at will. It can manifest the body, then increase its frequency and disappear from this realm. The body is the garment that we wear to express on this plane of demonstration. Trouble is the ego self has taken over and our spiritual selves have been buried by limiting beliefs and attitudes. We are then body/mind. The Great Self, the spiritual Self, is mind/body. The body is then subject to the mind and is multi-dimensional.

Love to you

Carmen

rhythm
06-08-2009, 10:58 AM
Dear Mudra, to me its not about fixing to a form. The ego is fixed to a form, the Great Self comes and goes at will. It can manifest the body, then increase its frequency and disappear from this realm. The body is the garment that we wear to express on this plane of demonstration. Trouble is the ego self has taken over and our spiritual selves have been buried by limiting beliefs and attitudes. We are then body/mind. The Great Self, the spiritual Self, is mind/body. The body is then subject to the mind and is multi-dimensional.

Love to you

Carmen

Wow Carmen ,, you been doing your homework again :wink2:

mudra
06-08-2009, 11:10 AM
Dear Mudra, to me its not about fixing to a form. The ego is fixed to a form, the Great Self comes and goes at will. It can manifest the body, then increase its frequency and disappear from this realm. The body is the garment that we wear to express on this plane of demonstration. Trouble is the ego self has taken over and our spiritual selves have been buried by limiting beliefs and attitudes. We are then body/mind. The Great Self, the spiritual Self, is mind/body. The body is then subject to the mind and is multi-dimensional.

Love to you

Carmen
Hello dear Carmen and thank for your postings.

I believe you and I agree:

It's not that we have a life. We are the life.The One Life, the one consciousness that pervades the entire universe and takes temporary form to experience itself as a stone or blade of grass, as an animal, a person, a star or a galaxy.

Kindness and love
mudra

RedeZra
06-08-2009, 11:29 AM
Death where are your thorns?
Death where is your sting?

Im not my body not my mind not my soul not even me

What others think you are - You are not
What you think you are - You are not

I Am nothing like a person no not even close

rhythm
06-08-2009, 11:41 AM
Die to the little self

while still in the body ..

die to ignorance

greed

suffering

fear

control

and then realy live ...

and then realy die ...

finaly ....

put an end to it ...

off the wheel

the merry go round ...

AussieG
06-08-2009, 01:53 PM
Interesting post Mudra, although I may digress from the subject of death
I still think it is worth saying.

If we are eternal and I believe we are, then we have existed in one form or another for billions of years and will continue to exist for billions more. So then what is the purpose of this Earth plain existence in a physical 3D body?
As we evolve I believe we eventually become what I term an enlightened being. To be enlightened it implys that we can answer any question and to do that we must have experienced the situation of the question, honey is just honey until you taste it. Therefore to experience by touch taste smell sound and sight emotions and feelings is truly wonderful. To hold a new born baby in your arms, to experience the excitement of youth the wisdom of age the transcendence of death. Only one life time would be way to short to gain the infinite experiences on offer. To be a Fly for a day or a mighty Oak tree for four hundred years.
So to me the only thing of substance is experience.

Now to the nature of experience. it is my understanding that initially we were beings of positive free will DNA (consciousness) and gave unconditionally as the apple gives up it's fruit so it's seed can be carried all was in balance, until greed and avarice evolved. Through time these traits have been deliberately infesting our DNA and in certain percentage has become dominant manifesting as ultra egos with no or very little compassion or care.

Again it is my believe that the majority of humanity still has enough positive DNA and if nurtured and practiced can return to dominance. The challenge as I see it is to do what my conscious suggests despite what my Ego wants and to give freely without conditions.

Although the presence of the negative energies of ego in us all may seem to be repressive, we here in this existence are unique in the fact that we have adapted to dealing with it. I pray and hope that humanity can wake up to this fact and begin to restore the balance. :original:

tone3jaguar
06-08-2009, 09:34 PM
The best way to get over a fear of death is to astral project. Once you have been out of your body, the thought of it all ending vanishes forever.

scanner
06-08-2009, 10:30 PM
The best way to get over a fear of death is to astral project. Once you have been out of your body, the thought of it all ending vanishes forever.

Boy do I struggle doing that, tried lots of times:wall: fall asleep every time . No fear of death though saw lots of it and spirit in a job I had. Even made contact with a couple of them:thumb_yello:

J_rod7
07-12-2009, 12:26 AM
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On Death and Dying

Die Art zu Leben

The Nature of Life (or) The Manner of Living (or) How to Live

"The fearlessness must be formed in such a way that it is never foolhardy, rather simply in such a way that the grief, the hindrances and the difficulties, and so forth, are not avoided, so that from them it can be learnt - and also the cognition matures - that all life of any kind is bound together and requires the other and indeed extending beyond death.

"If this cognition matures then intensive contemplation is engaged about the significance of death and dying which exhibits so many facets of the perishable.

"This cognition in turn enables the human to draw full use from his life, as long as time allows this.

"The use is the creation of further cognition, of knowledge, love, peace, wisdom and harmony and security, to be able to die without feeling regret, without having to reproach oneself for living life wrongly and having senselessly wasted it.

"Therefore there is only the way of true evolution which says that life must be lived all the time and in every situation so correctly that neither in life nor in death does it evoke regret."

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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/gaiaguys/meier.azl152.sww69.htm

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The act of dying is well known to all of us, though many refuse to face this in a realistic way. Reincarnation IS the true Reality. All that we learn in this life is stored in the Comprehensive Consciousness Block between the lives, and is accessible to our Spirit as we generate a new personality in the next incarnation. Nothing gained is ever lost.

Then the meaning and purpose of THIS life is to learn what we may for the continued Evolution of our Spirits. When we find solutions to the problems of life, the lessons of living, these lessons do not need to be repeated again - we move on to new problems and new lessons. This is the path of Evolution - to evolve to greater and greater challenges for our continued growth in Spiritual Wisdom.

The Ultimate Goal of all our lives => some 60- to 80-Billion years experienced in the Material worlds => is to re-unite again with Creation, from which our Spirits originate, along with all other Spirits which have been on all the different paths of their own Evolution. The ReUnion of Spirits come from everywhere in the Entire Universe. The Purpose for this is to bring the GIFT of our accumulated Knowledge, Love and Wisdom back to Creation.

http://www.theyfly.com/

http://futureofmankind.co.uk/

http://us.figu.org/portal/Default.aspx

http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi

Peace

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mudra
07-12-2009, 12:42 AM
Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to "die before you die" --- and find that there is no death.

Eckhart Tolle - Stillness speaks

mudra
07-12-2009, 12:44 AM
Reincarnation doesn't help you if in your next incarnation you still don't know who you are.

Eckhart Tolle

mudra
07-12-2009, 12:46 AM
"Therefore there is only the way of true evolution which says that life must be lived all the time and in every situation so correctly that neither in life nor in death does it evoke regret."



I like this idea Jrod .. so true

Thank you

Loving kindness
mudra

Northern Boy
07-12-2009, 01:12 AM
Physical death to me is failure to graduate from this earth school! The wheel of reincarnation is real alright, but its a limitation.

Some of the holiest men on this earth have reincarnated over and over again and ego had nothing to do with it The Dali Lama is one example our earth has been in lock down till we learn the lessons we need to in order to go next level. But for some reason this time is going to be different . There will be a graduation this time

J_rod7
07-12-2009, 01:50 AM
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Mudra, Thank you for opening this Thread. It is long overdue that Human Beings should realistically examine the ART of living and dying.

This, in your opening statement, is a "wake-up call" for those still sleeping with their illusions...:

"I am posting this thread because I feel that as much as we have to understand our relation to life it is as important to understand our relation to death for this is part of our existence. We should not wait for death to come to transcend it and come to the plain realization that we are immortal."


http://www.abstractdigitalartgallery.com/Omron-abstract-digital-art-fractal-Struck_by_Lightning.jpg


Love and Blessings

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J_rod7
07-12-2009, 01:57 AM
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. . Could the "tunnel" look like this?...
. . http://www.abstractdigitalartgallery.com/artgallery-psion005-abstract-digital-art-fractal-Psytrip.jpg

Colors would be reversed, the center will be full of Bright, White Light


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mudra
07-13-2009, 10:27 PM
Physical death to me is failure to graduate from this earth school! The wheel of reincarnation is real alright, but its a limitation.

Some of the holiest men on this earth have reincarnated over and over again and ego had nothing to do with it The Dali Lama is one example our earth has been in lock down till we learn the lessons we need to in order to go next level. But for some reason this time is going to be different . There will be a graduation this time
I wrote to the dalai lama a few years ago and he specified in his answer that this is his last incarnation on earth. I believe masters and wise men incarnated on this earth voluntarily with a purpose in mind and a goal to reach.And so is the case of many lightworkers that are around today.

Loving kindness
mudra

mudra
07-13-2009, 10:34 PM
We will see when the time comes Jrod. I believe as Consciousness evolves and moves to a higher gear this time going through a tunnel won't be needed .As far as I can sense it these tunnels were part of the process of reincarnation . Graduating through the heart will leave no room for guilt feelings that one needs to make up for . This is how we will reach a new plane of existence.

Loving kindness
mudra

Angel in Disguise
07-13-2009, 10:45 PM
Dolores Cannon does a GREAT job of explaining death in 'Moving into a New Earth'... I can't find the link but it was an amazing description, one I resonate with greatly. I highly recommend it if you can find it :thumb_yello:

sleepingnomore
07-13-2009, 11:36 PM
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. . Could the "tunnel" look like this?...
. . http://www.abstractdigitalartgallery.com/artgallery-psion005-abstract-digital-art-fractal-Psytrip.jpg

Colors would be reversed, the center will be full of Bright, White Light


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Not the tunnel I saw.:original: Beautiful image though.

WinterWolf
07-14-2009, 01:40 AM
Not the tunnel I saw.:original: Beautiful image though.

I like the fact that when I look at this particular picture, it moves for me. No I am not on drugs.

I see a wormhole instead of a tunnel..if that makes any sense...:lol3:


Winter Wolf

14 Chakras
07-14-2009, 05:47 AM
Die to the little self

while still in the body ..

die to ignorance

greed

suffering

fear

control

and then realy live ...

and then realy die ...

finaly ....

put an end to it ...

off the wheel

the merry go round ...




You only need to die to the ego to gain eternal LIFE! There is no second death for those who choose life. To die before we die is to live eternally forevermore :) and gain our true spiritual identity in the mind of God. We are infinite spiritual beings who live in the eternal Now, if only we would remember...

Mudra, I agree with you. It is time for a great harvest and many beings, millions embodied now will achieve full spiritual freedom within this lifetime.

I believe one of the major illusions we must break through is believing that only famous people who are outwardly very spiritual can change the world and achieve full enlightenment.

The Dalai Lama is a being with great momentums, however, there are many many beings with increible spiritual momentum's embodied around the world in very normal lives, and it is simply up to us to remember and take back our power. We live in a celebrity culture and it is time the people realized the power lies within them, not the famous person outside of them...

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J_rod7
07-17-2009, 02:32 AM
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For the further evolution in our understanding of dying, I share this quote from my friend Jacob (aka: Phaethonsfire), who is a moderator at the FIGU Forums:


Life, Death, Rebirth and Love

In human life there are two things at the very least certain: The fact that you are alive, and the fact that it will end, those things are for the 'average everyday Earth-human' two of the very few certainty he has in his life, usually he is not aware that Creation is everywhere around him and in him as the tiny Spirit part that lives in him and even makes his existence possible in the material realm.

People have often a deep fear of death, and although death is inevitable, people ignore it because it frightens them, death is for many people still the end, after which they fall apart in oblivion according to their beliefs.

People have deep rooted fears about their loved ones, about losing their loved ones when they die, or vice versa when they die themselves.

True love, the one love that really connects people never dies, not even in death, it's the kind of love that will overcome the barriers of life and death altogether, it overcomes the barriers of time and space. Once a true love is existent between two people, nothing can destroy that.

If you have someone in your life, that you really love, like the Law of Love describes, and you feel the unity between you and that person, that feeling that is always there even when physically separated, by distance or in death, then you should know that the Love bond you have with the other is unbreakable.

Love comes in many forms, yet all love forms are based on the same Law.

It's the Law that Love is the bond of all life, and all existing things in the Universe and above, and that everything is a part of everything, indivisible, eternal and everlasting.

So, when you love your husband, wife, brother or sister, and death comes calling for one of them, then know that when there is love in you for your loved one, that they will always be a part of you, and know that in the next life, although not consciously, you will meet them again as friend, wife, husband, brother or sister, you will instantaneously feel a deep connection a bond that feels very good, yet very well known...like you know the other for years.

Love is the bond that keeps everything together, and a bond forged in love is unbreakable, in life, death and rebirth.

Go to: ...
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/3598.html#POST12124

Then scroll down to Jacob / Phaethonsfire post number 158 on this page.

In Peace ... The Light of Truth goes forth

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orthodoxymoron
07-17-2009, 03:39 AM
The late Mr. X...the archivist...described aliens as not forgetting their previous lives when their bodies die. They just change clothes...so to speak. Why can't we do that? Have the aliens messed with us so we don't remember? Is this a control mechanism? Have they shortened our lives also? Look at the book of Genesis. There is a lot that I don't believe in Genesis...but what about people living to be nearly 1,000 years old?

I currently think we simply get recycled. I'm not expecting heaven, hell, purgatory, ascension, descension, or some beautiful mystical experience...just a painful review of my pathetic life...with some stern words from a panel of humans, reptilians, and greys...with perhaps some discussion over where to reincarnate me...and then back into the 'Disneyland of the Gods' for more fun! I'd prefer an E Ticket over an SOL Ticket next time...thank-you. As usual...this is simply educated and thoughtful speculation...and could be pure bs.

Incidently...if death is such a wonderful thing...why don't we all commit suicide? My answer is...that despite all of the sickness, misery, pain, and suffering of all kinds...this physical life is where the action is. Hopefully...over the next few hundred years...we can refine out a lot of the horrible suffering which so many people currently endure. In 'Hotel California' there are the haunting lyrics...'You can check-out...but you can never leave.'

Just as I hit 'save' for the above 3 paragraphs...someone knocked on my door saying that a boy just had a terrible accident on his skateboard...and that I needed to call 911...which I immediately did. He was laying face down in the street...with blood running from his head. He was conscious...but barely. His face was badly injured...and I think he almost died...75 feet from where I was typing a message about death. I hope he'll be OK. I've bypassed this thread for several days. Why did I choose to read it and comment on it when I did? Coincidence? Probably...but it's still creepy.

YouTube - The Eeagles Hotel California LIVE YouTube - J.S. Bach, Come Sweet Death

J_rod7
07-17-2009, 05:08 AM
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To further our understanding in respect to reincarnation: ...

IV. Did the Source of the Gospels Contain Teachings on Reincarnation?

Some who have examined the apparent reality of reincarnation have looked into the Gospels for clues that Jesus actually taught the subject, and have found them. As to how such clues originated, it is usually postulated that following the 2nd Council of Constantinople in 553 C.E. the Gospels were edited so as to remove all obvious traces of teachings and implications of reincarnation.

However, there is sufficient evidence from early church fathers to indicate that some of the verses to be discussed, and which exist in about the same form today, greatly predate this council. Hence a much more likely possibility is that the New Testament gospels themselves derive mainly from one source, and this source is what had contained Jesus' teachings on reincarnation and karma that were edited out upon first formation of the Gospels in the early second century. ...

Gospel Evidence that Jesus Taught Reincarnation

It is important to examine some particular examples of these Gospel clues, since they are largely unknown within modern scholasticism. Perhaps the primary verse to this effect is Mt 11:14, "...and if you are willing to accept it, he [John the Baptist] is Elijah who is to come."

The only alternative here to the implication that Jesus was talking of Elijah having been a past life of John, who would be reborn again some time in the future, comes from 2 Kgs 2:11 in which Elijah is "taken up by a whirlwind into heaven" and is seen no more.

If it is assumed that this means Elijah never died but was "translated" alive into heaven, the further assumptions are then needed that he later "translated" into the body of John the Baptist and would "translate" into some other body in the future. However, this concept of translation, involving a fully human body that never ages or dies, seems unintelligible in comparison with the reincarnation hypothesis, especially since John is described in Luke's first chapter as having been raised from a baby and never having suddenly changed into Elijah's very own "translated" body.

The reincarnation hypothesis here is consistent with Jesus' wording, "if you are willing to accept it." Probably only a minority of his listeners in Israel believed in reincarnation, with many, especially Pharisees and Sadducees, being opposed to the concept.

Thus, Jesus at that point was speaking just to those who could accept the possibility. It is likely that the Logia had more to say here about Elijah's (John's) future reincarnation that was omitted when Matthew was formed. That Matthew's compiler left this strong a clue behind here is probably attributable to his fondness for Elijah, along with other Old Testament personages, causing him to include as much of this Logia verse as seemed feasible.

Also, this compiler evidently believed in "translation," and supported this belief with his Transfiguration story. Thus he probably would not have felt that he was leaving behind a clue here that his source text had discussed reincarnation.

Another strong clue is found in Mt 16:13-15, "Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, `Who do men say that the Son of man is?' And they said, `Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.' He said to them, `But who do you say that I am?'"

Although it is quite possible that in asking the question Jesus was wondering if the people thought of him as a Messiah of some sort, their response (especially "Jeremiah or one of the prophets") indicates they had a past life in mind. That this did not cause any stir or consternation is consistent with Jesus having wondered what important past life they believed him to have had.

Another clue is Mt 24:4 where we read: "For many will come in my name, saying `I am the Christ!' and they will lead many astray." This makes most sense if Jesus was referring to persons in the distant future who would claim they are reincarnations of him. It makes less sense to think they would claim to be resurrections of him, which would require their asserting to have first appeared on earth in their own time in the full-grown resurrected body of Jesus, never having passed through childhood. Moreover, at the time the text of the verse was spoken, resurrection or "anastasis" referred only to a general resurrection at the end times, and not to the raising up of a particular individual.

Further clues consist of the "incarnation" verses: "I have come not to... but to..." Of these, Mt 5:17 and 10:34 seem here most likely to be in a form close to that of their source. If Jesus had early in life gained an understanding of what his life's mission and goals were to be -- and the "lost years" evidence supports that likelihood, he could then speak as "having come" for such-and-such a purpose. Thus the "incarnation verses" easily fit into the context of Jesus having taught that he, as well as all others, were subject to reincarnation. This provides a real alternative to the interpretation that he was incarnated once and for all as part of a Trinity.

The foregoing clues are mostly absent from the other gospels, indicative of "improvements" directed towards increased orthodoxy as is usually to be expected within later works, and supporting Matthean priority.

If the Logia were the source of Matthew, we then infer that other teachings of reincarnation were omitted from Matthew or were highly edited, with "resurrection" substituted for "reincarnation" or "rebirth."

A verse from John (Jn 9:1-2) regarding the man blind from birth is also commonly cited as indication that Jesus and his disciples assumed reincarnation to be a fact. Although this instance may be an indication that the writer of John had been accustomed to interpreting fate in a karmic sense, the testimony of Papias suggests that only the compiler of Matthew was close enough to the Logia to have left bonafide clues behind from the source document. However, the writers of Luke and John may have been those referred to by the portion of Papias's statement reading "and each interpreted them [the Logia] as best he could."

Text and explanation from Talmud Jmmanuel research, found here: ...

http://www.tjresearch.info/ecumensm.htm#xxx

Truth must come before Peace

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orthodoxymoron
07-17-2009, 06:35 AM
Thank-you for the great post J rod7. I'll have to read it several times. It contains a lot of good, concise information.

I try to follow the words of Christ...but I currently believe in reincarnation. In principle and concept, at least...they harmonize. I hope the following sermonette is not too theological or preachy. It's a bit of an off-topic non-sequiter...but illustrates three theological perspectives. I identify with the last one...and this view is relatively easily harmonized with the concept of reincarnation. I don't follow eastern mystics...or chant, etc. I just think we should be ethical...and that we get recycled. When we are ethical...we create a better world to get reincarnated back into. It's all about quality of eternal life...and not whether I am going to be 'saved' or not. I think we all get recycled...whether we are good or bad...but we should still be good!

I wrote the following some time ago...and I have recently decided that the concept of God is problematic to the max. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I tend to think that this applies to all beings in the universe. Conceptualized ideals are helpful...and there is a certain divinity which resides within humanity...and probably within reptilians and greys as well. I really don't know. So interpret my references to God in whatever manner which resonates with your views.

A debate that has raged for centuries is between those who say Jesus was just like us, and those who say He had an advantage over us. Both views state that Jesus perfectly obeyed the law of God from birth to death, and thus secured our salvation, by doing that which we could not do, and that by believing in Christ and His sacrifice, we are accepted by God, and saved for all eternity.

If Jesus was just like us, some believe that the substitutionary atonement is just the beginning, and that we can overcome sin just as Christ overcame sin, and indeed we must do this at the end of time, just before the return of Christ, in order to be saved. That we must stand before God without a mediator. They believe that if Jesus had an advantage over us, that the substitutionary atonement would not be valid. That it would be a hollow victory! They also believe that there is no excuse for sin, and that if there is, then the Devil is right and God is wrong!

Those who believe that Christ had an advantage over us state that Christ is the second Adam, and that He succeeded where Adam failed, and thus secured our salvation. And that there was no taint of sin whatsoever in Christ, both physically and spiritually. Further, that we, with our fallen sinful natures, can never, ever, live sinless lives until Christ returns and gives us new bodies and minds. That it is only by laying hold of the merits of the crucified Christ that we are accepted by God as though we had never sinned, and saved for all eternity.

The first option tends to lead toward legalistic perfectionism. The second option tends to lead toward irresponsibility. What fun!

I'm going to go way, way out on a limb, and say that these two views are delusion vs delusion! They both turn the old, old story of Jesus and His love into a fairy tale. They imply that God is a legalistic, perfectionistic, blood-thirsty monster who doesn't think we're good enough for Him. They are both sort of logical, when isolated from the realities of every day life, but they are utterly illogical when reality is clearly faced without distortion or rationalization.

I believe that Jesus was just like us, but that He was very, very spritually refined and developed, and that He demonstrated to the human race, the true character of God, and what we humans are capable of achieving, and indeed must achieve, to usher in the last great, true renaissance which will bring peace to the world! By His sacrifice on the cross, Jesus made the bloody Old Testament sacrificial system obsolete, and made a new and living way to be right with God available to all, by following His example of loving neighbor as self in a non legalistic-pefectionistic way. To be right with God, we need to be right with God! Not just declared right with God! This symbolic and representational demonstration did not require perfection. Nothing changed between God and us.

We must be in harmony with the character of Christ, and decidedly part of the solution! We must not be in rebellion with the character of Christ, and decidedly part of the problem! We need to be very good, but not perfect! This is an ongoing process of cooperation between the human and the divine.

J_rod7
07-17-2009, 07:36 AM
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Hello Orthodoxymoron,

You have made some important insight in your words: ...

"Jesus made the bloody Old Testament sacrificial system obsolete, and made a new and living way to be right with God available to all, by following His example of loving neighbor as self in a non legalistic-pefectionistic way. To be right with God, we need to be right with God! Not just declared right with God! This symbolic and representational demonstration did not require perfection. Nothing changed between God and us.

"We must be in harmony with the character of Christ, and decidedly part of the solution! We must not be in rebellion with the character of Christ, and decidedly part of the problem! We need to be very good, but not perfect! This is an ongoing process of cooperation between the human and the divine."

This aligns with the Knowledge that we are all responsible for ourselves in every respect. We then have the obligation to gain further knowledge of the Laws of Creation for our Spiritual Growth. The Laws of Creation both Supersede AND include all the currently known Laws of the Universe, including the Laws of Nature, and all the laws of Science as 'subsets.'

So-called 'sin' is within the Laws which state = there must be polarity in all things, opposites in all things, and the necessity of Cause and Effect at work in all things. The conditions of living set up opportunities to make errors in our actions and in our thoughts. Growth comes when we recognize our errors and correct them, which learning process is at the heart of Spiritual Evolution.

Certainly, NO ONE is able to learn all the necessary lessons to obtain to perfection in one lifetime. Reincarnation IS the true reality, by which through literally millions of lifetimes, we are presented ever greater opportunities, ever greater challenges along each our individual paths. No one is ever given a problem or challenge beyond the individuals' current strength or ability to solve. By solving each in turn, we gain greater strength of Spirit for the next opportunity that comes to each of us.

In Peace

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mudra
12-29-2009, 06:30 PM
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Céline
12-29-2009, 08:17 PM
my mother died Feb. 1st 2002 of complications from emphysema.

She was diagnosed at 55 and died at 59. In those 4 years, we talk alot about death...and life. We shared more in those 4 years then we did in the 33 years before her death...

The night she died, my sister and i were by her side...as she quietly took her last breath...that singular moment, those first few seconds of silence...reminded me of the first few seconds before my babies took their first breath...

So...

my mothers last breath...and my childrens first...created the same feeling, the same...pause...

It is a gift i cherish...and was honored to be there and witness her last breath.

Greenlander
12-29-2009, 08:44 PM
Thank you all for this forum:original:
When my father died I realized how much I loved him.
I believe that is one more reason why we have death, to realize how much we love the one we lose.

Love Greenlander:wink2:

Céline
12-29-2009, 09:32 PM
*celine hugs you *




Thank you all for this forum:original:
When my father died I realized how much I loved him.
I believe that is one more reason why we have death, to realize how much we love the one we lose.

Love Greenlander:wink2:

Jacqui D
12-29-2009, 10:55 PM
I do not fear death at all. i do not want to say i welcome it either but certainly do not fear it, many fear leaving their families behind this is a human trait but we have many families in many past lives.
Perhaps if we celebrated death the fear would not be so harsh perhaps celebrate is the wrong word but why fear something which is inevitable.
Why be sad also lets embrace our moving on whether we choose to re incarnate or ascend.
I will not be entering the tunnel or following the white light i will be looking out to the universe and joining back with the stars.

mudra
12-30-2009, 12:26 AM
We as souls open the door of "life" , walk in and then forget that we actually did so . If we don't wake up to it while we are in there then when we leave it feels as if "life" is closing the door on us and we want to get back there .And so the cycles of birth and death go on until we fully realize our immortality ..our true essence beyond life and death.We are Life eternal .. Birth and death are just a room we visit on our journey and the purpose of the visit is to switch the Light on while being there so we don't stay stuck in the dark .

Love Always
mudra

mudra
12-30-2009, 12:36 AM
Realizations about Love are always important ones Greenlander as Love is your essence .
When you learn about love you learn about you ...about who you really are.

Love Always
mudra

Zeddo
12-30-2009, 12:38 AM
I could wax lyrical, be long winded, quote many great sages, divest worthy paragraphs from learned people but this is what I have to say about life/death.

There is an expression (or quote, if you prefer) that I hold to. I cannot remember where I read this because I was pre-teen when I did, and it goes something like this...

"If I die knowing that my life benefited just one person, then I know my life has been worthwhile and a success".

That is my creed, it is what I live by even though I tend to forget this more often than I remember.

In closing, I know this will be my last time here.

Love Light and Peace

Z

mudra
12-30-2009, 12:38 AM
It seems Céline that in all these cases you have been witness to .. your mother and your children .. these souls opened and closed the door of life gently :wub2:

Love Always
mudra

mudra
12-30-2009, 12:46 AM
I remember thinking something similar to you Zeddo.
" If I manage to help awaken fully One person I'll be happy "
Of course with these kind of thougts in mind you begin to help many .
And by helping many .. finally you are helping yourself for you come to realize who you really are .. that you are Love and at the same time that you are ONE..
Seems you are going to leave a warm Light on on closing dear Zeddo :wub2:

Love Always
mudra

futureyes
12-30-2009, 01:10 AM
We as souls open the door of "life" , walk in and then forget that we actually did so . If we don't wake up to it while we are in there then when we leave it feels as if "life" is closing the door on us and we want to get back there .And so the cycles of birth and death go on until we fully realize our immortality ..our true essence beyond life and death.We are Life eternal .. Birth and death are just a room we visit on our journey and the purpose of the visit is to switch the Light on while being there so we don't stay stuck in the dark .

Love Always
mudra

this is so wonderful how you put this mudra ... it is of such truth that resonates with me ...

some ppl say there is no learning to be in this life ... but only to experience ... but i feel ... there is meant to be tremendous learning in life ... about who we really are ... and i know ... i sound like a broken record always saying this ...

i know of ppl ... who in this life ... had remained disconnected ... to the realization of who they really are and how great of a glue love is amongst all that is ...
in this life ... they were lost and were separated ...
they were rigid of their ego belief that there is only "i" ...
in this life ... they were not flexible within their hearts of the realization of "we" ...

they knew not of how to switch the light on within their visit ... and remained in the dark ...

and in their own deaths ... they remained as lost souls ... lost to the realization that life is eternal ... souls feeling they must remain in the dark ... not knowing ... of the beyond ...

it is strange ... i have had some experiences with ... with accompanying some ... to where they needed to be ... another llife experience ... another opportunity ... to come to know who they really are ...

i have come to know ... for myself ... there is no suffering in death ... there is only known realization of what is ... or there is the opportunity once again ...

in life ... there is death ...
in death ... there is life ...

life is our opportunity ... to evolve to our true essence ... now is the energy at its greatest ever ... in assisting us ... to our truth ...

and in our darkness ... the opportunity for each and every one of us ... to find that switch ...

and finally ... turn on the light ...

:wub2:

Gnosis5
12-30-2009, 03:45 AM
It does not make sense to me how one could have experience without learning. But in my lifetimes reviews I sure did some stupid things, and for no good reason either. I had to make up a reason and I have not yet been able to find anything romantic or poetic about some of my existences, but I have come to love myself and others more and to be wiser in choosing my learning experiences and "fun" games.

When my father died I realized there is a spirit reaction to death and there is a body reaction to death. The body (visceral) reaction felt strongest and contradicted the spirit response to death.

Gnosis5
12-30-2009, 04:04 AM
You only need to die to the ego to gain eternal LIFE! There is no second death for those who choose life. To die before we die is to live eternally forevermore :) and gain our true spiritual identity in the mind of God. We are infinite spiritual beings who live in the eternal Now, if only we would remember...

Mudra, I agree with you. It is time for a great harvest and many beings, millions embodied now will achieve full spiritual freedom within this lifetime.

I believe one of the major illusions we must break through is believing that only famous people who are outwardly very spiritual can change the world and achieve full enlightenment.

The Dalai Lama is a being with great momentums, however, there are many many beings with increible spiritual momentum's embodied around the world in very normal lives, and it is simply up to us to remember and take back our power. We live in a celebrity culture and it is time the people realized the power lies within them, not the famous person outside of them...

:original:

The Dalai Lama is special -- just like you and me :original:

Anyone who does his spiritual practices and carves out his path will achieve exponential gains, and because we are spiritually connected, your clearing will help others experience peace and balance.

With the internet and the abundance of spiritual teachers it is more available than ever before. Someone from Romania told me that Yoga used to be banned in their country!?!

Gnosis5
12-30-2009, 05:02 AM
I almost forgot about this experience:

At work we had hired an East Indian man to help us with a project. He told me that he knew of a Yogi who had said "goodbye" to everybody and left his body peacefully. Something twigged inside of me and I looked at that man and said to him, "I can do that". I don't know what made me say that, but for some reason at that moment I just knew that I could do that.

That weekend I went home and stayed in my room and gradually brought my breathing down to almost zero. No drugs, no depression or thoughts of suicide. I simply wanted to see if I could control the death process.

When my breath stopped and as soon as my heart started to slow down, I left my body and I saw a lot of "junk" attached to me and so I decided I did not want to leave my body with all that stuff attached. I had not really planned on permanently leaving anyways, just an experiment to see if I could.

As soon as I had that emotional response to what I saw, a tall being rushed in through the closed front door, ran right past me almost out the closed kitchen door, stopped and backed up to where I was and tickled me in the side.

The tickle made me laugh and therefore started up my breathing again. For good measure this being tickled me in the other side, and so I was good to go for another 7 years, it being 7 years ago now.

That being had an energy signature that was mine own, and I have always felt that being was myself from a future lifetime.

It did give me great comfort knowing that I could choose the wisest time to drop my body and do so peacefully and without shock. Of course, I will not be taking any "baggage" with me :original:

Gnosis

futureyes
12-30-2009, 06:43 AM
our existance ... on multi levels ... is circular ...
time does not exist ... we exist eternally ...
life and death ... is like a ride on a merry-go-round ...
we possess the free will to hop on and off anytime we choose ...
but the ride ... is never ending ...
as it always was ... it is in this moment ... and always will be ...

eternal ...

:wub2:

greybeard
12-30-2009, 01:15 PM
Thanks for starting this thread Mudra and all who contributed.
Much wisdom here.
Like others have said here I believe we are in a very special moment in the evolution of mankind. Where it is taking us I don't know.
It may well be the last incarnation in human form for many of us. I hope so.

Those who have had out of body experiences tell a uniform story so for sure we exist without a body.

As has been said the ultimate death is death of the ego.

I believe that the moment of death is set at birth so there is no need to worry about that, enjoy life to the full.
Be kind to all life including your own no matter what---- for you are being kind to yourself.

Eckhart rarely speaks of ultimate truth but points to it.

One Eckhart quote from memory so it is probably not exact.

" There never was anyone there to do anything to you"

I cant remember the exact context so it can be understood in different ways.
It can be thought of as our view point of an enemy is just perceptual.
I prefer to see it from the concept of there being only the ONE. without second.

Chris
Namaste

osmm
12-30-2009, 06:33 PM
Can you tell me how you know this for certain. I do believe in life after death but I really don't know what happens
osmm

osmm
12-30-2009, 06:38 PM
I can't find anything that indicates quick repy????

ubiquitousquintessence
12-30-2009, 06:49 PM
osmm, you see the two tabs marked "Quote" and "Multi "" in the bottom right corner of each post?
To the right of these tabs is another tab, which is 4 horizontal lines. Click this tab to do a "quick reply".

There is another quote from Eckhart Tolle that has stayed with me for quite some time now. I don't recall the exact quote, so I'll paraphrase...
He says that "Death is not the opposite of life. Death is the opposite of birth. Life has no opposite."

mudra
01-02-2010, 02:59 AM
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Death isn't sad. The sad thing is: most people don't live at all

From Dan Millman's peacefull warrior

Love Always
mudra

mudra
01-02-2010, 03:04 AM
Welcome on this thread osmm.
To have a deeper insight on our immortal essence you might like to go over the videos I posted on the nexus thread post 3055.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8441

Love from me
mudra


Can you tell me how you know this for certain. I do believe in life after death but I really don't know what happens
osmm

Zeddo
01-02-2010, 03:33 AM
Hi Osmm

For the novice, these links are a good kick-off point on the quest for knowledge on life after death. Who better than someone who has been beyond the veil to inform you of what lies ahead for us on our journey.

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/dbrinkley.htm

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/dbrinkley2.htm

and this is also amazing

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/mgibson.htm

I recommend the Dannion Brinkly books. Excellent reading and illumination.

LL&P

Z

Moxie
01-02-2010, 04:19 AM
excerpted from Voyagers II w/my comments in [ ]:

Whether or not you view ascension and multidimensional evolution as a reality while you are alive on Earth, you will be directly faced with that reality once your consciousness has passed out of physical life and into the multidimensional framework.

At the death of the physical body you will discover that your consciousness lives on and your evolution continues. How well you prepare for that discovery will determine the ease with which you are able to take your next evolutionary step once you wake up on the other side.

If freedom from the confines and struggles of HU-1 [earth zone 3D] is what one desires, then it is wise to pay attention to the amount of frequencies contained within the physical DNA, while one is still alive in body.

Humanity has the power to evolve consciously and thus more rapidly, by learning how to use the bio-energetic system to build the needed frequencies into the DNA. This is a personal responsibility, and although guardians from HU-2 can assist... the ultimate success of DNA building lies in the hands of the embodied consciousness who directs this process by the way in which personal energy is used and applied.

The greater the amount of the 12-strand DNA imprint that can be activated within the body's DNA, the greater the amount of conscious awareness and multidimensional knowledge will be available to the consciousness while it is physically embodied and after death.

In order to end the cycle of rebirth in HU-1, an identity must possess a fifth-dimensional level of consciousness...fifth-dimensional frequency. The 5th strand of DNA must be fully assembled and the lower dimensional DNA strands must be fully activated and aligned.

An identity that undergoes the death transition without assembly of the 5th DNA strand imprint will continue evolution in the 4th dimensional astral planes. If the identity does not have the lower-dimensional strands fully assembled, it will have to experience rebirth in HU-1.

The human body was originally designed to be immortal.
All human souls are involved with the exact same process of evolving the genetic package and consciousness to higher-dimensional levels; some souls are just further along in this journey.

Humans carrying the larger gene-code packages are a gift to other evolving souls, because, as they assemble their fifth and higher DNA strands, they pull higher-dimensional frequency into the Earth's grid.

[People? this work is the most empowering, joy-filled-tears discovery of my life... I urge you all to read this work... it's a Call for the Ground Crew to regain their birthright through knowledge! Bump that "no fear" most of you profess for that's what it takes to even be able to incorporate this work, and to learn the truth and the depth of what's really going on and what to do about it! ]

excerpt:
Originally the teachings of ascension were quite scientific in nature, dealing with the reality of multidimensional physics. The original informaton brought to the races of the Third Seeding represented the teachings of the Science of Keylonta, the underlying energetic mechanisms through which reality is created and the processes through which consciousness evolves.

The early Atlantean cultures had full access to this information, and until the Templar-Annu distorted the teachings in order to control the populations, the science of ascension and multidimensional mechanics was publicly taught as a primary belief model around which societies were structured. The teachings were given throughout the globe, not just those of Egypt and Atlantis.

Over time, and through the oppression of the Templar-Annu and later control-oriented political groups, the true teachings were distorted or destroyed as they gave the common person power over their personal destiny. People who are empowered cannot be controlled or manipulated by outside authorities, and so the tool of empowerment, knowledge, was taken awayfrom the masses so the few elite could hold them under their power.

pardon the long post, I hope I've not overstepped forum rules....
but the depth and pervasiveness of our deceived state is very worthy of knowing about... and the technology that is real that impairs our "sight".

Carol
01-06-2010, 12:44 AM
This is Thomas Mellen's story of what happened when he died. It is truly amazing.

http://www.mellen-thomas.com/stories.htm

Magamud
01-06-2010, 01:05 AM
Death is natures way of compensating the strength of mind and physicality. When death occurs you loose your physical sense programming and slowly integrate back to multidimensional existence. In essence the pure code energy is stored and put back in again "reincarnation" to be further distilled until a unified field is met. The black magicians think preying on this cycle is to their advantage unaware that their empires cannot sustain themselves. An unfortunate, is the huge amount of quantum holographic intention done by religions. This has caused astral heavens/hells to be formed and many get caught.

mkspllmn
01-06-2010, 02:31 AM
Does it matter how it happens?

Accident, disease, suicide?

Does the method have any effect in what happens after or is death just death no matter how it happens?

john kennedy
01-06-2010, 02:52 AM
Remember, you can only be 100% sure that you alone are truely real and alive! the inside your own skin bit so to speak. Everything else, 'everything', is information you alone decode.

Death?.....

Don't Die. (its a trick!)
It's about focus, zoom, and interpretation, and control of it! You aren't here too die! think of it like holographic tv, or the little 'you' in your mind, your body is just what you've tuned in with, or be tuned in to! not what you are! and it totally opperates under your sole command. (or even soul lol) you're the remote. Literally!

Don't replicate what you think you experience in the hologram, 'someone or something' dying in your reality is only your interpretation of what you have been educated to beleive in, its been fed to you all your lives, the ritual burials we experience are just that, rituals. They're to make you beleive it happens to everyone, well Im different, and Im having non of it, Im gonna live for ever, not 'cos I want to, that isn't an option lol, we've already lived for ever, it's only 'Now', this is just an experience, and we select what we want to experience, good or bad so its all down to choice and I choose my options, Im in control of my experience and death is just a word thats been linked to a beleif, Well, Im making a new dictionary and 'death' actualy means immortal sentient majestic being of all love, light and eternal peace. Yeah, I reckon that'll work! lets simply just beleive it means that! and it will!

Death-You're not alive in anything that doesn't Exist! pmpl

Just understand, you can't die.
So don't!
It's kinda like hypnosis. If I could hypnotize you not to be able to see,hear,touch,taste and smell your mum, and told you to forget all existance of her for ever and I then went and hypnotize your mum, and did exactly the same and told her to totally forget all existance of you for ever, then let you both go, to each one of you, the other would not exist! The idea of death is banged into us like a mantra, don't believe it, all that death is in my opinion is the total ceastation of decoding between yourself and the rest on this frequency or a tuning out of this frequency, a movement of focal observation between two points. And that's it. You are energy! how can you die? You can only convert Energy, not Destroy it!

mudra
01-06-2010, 09:16 AM
Im gonna live for ever, not 'cos I want to, that isn't an option lol, we've already lived for ever, it's only 'Now', this is just an experience, and we select what we want to experience, good or bad so its all down to choice and I choose my options, Im in control of my experience and death is just a word thats been linked to a beleif, Well, Im making a new dictionary and 'death' actualy means immortal sentient majestic being of all love, light and eternal peace. Yeah, I reckon that'll work! lets simply just beleive it means that! and it will!

Death-You're not alive in anything that doesn't Exist! pmpl

Just understand, you can't die.
So don't!


Thank you John Kennedy for this excellent post .
If I may add to it and alter a bit I would say :
" It's only Now , the experience we live is neither good nor bad...we are immortal sentient majestic being of all Love , Light and eternal peace Always .. the Heart is our center ...

Love Always
mudra

mudra
01-06-2010, 12:50 PM
Your Last Breath
Redefining Your Priorities

Procrastination is an almost universal human habit and one that infiltrates nearly every aspect of our lives. Modern existence is so complex, and much of what we long to do is left to wait by the side. We know what is important but tend to let the weight of worldly pressures lead us astray. To get back on track, however, we need only take a moment to consider where our thoughts will be as we take our last breath on this earth. More likely than not, at that instant, disagreements, bills, petty annoyances, and other frustrating elements of our lives will no longer seem as significant as they once did. Thoughts of loved ones and the positive impact we had on the world would no doubt occupy our remaining thoughts. Whatever we imagine ourselves musing upon during our last breath will almost always be representative of what truly matters to us.

This simple exercise introduces us to a new way of thinking. While our attention is drawn momentarily to the end of life, our contemplations serve to point out that we are masters of our own perspective and, consequently, our own existence. There is nothing preventing us from shifting our focus right now as we imagine we will in our final moments. We can choose to spend more of our time and energy on what gives our lives meaning. We can spend more time with loved ones and do more of what we enjoy. Doing so may not always prove easy, and there will inevitably be times when circumstances interfere with our resolution, yet we do not have to regard this as an indication that our priorities are not in alignment with who we really are.

Sometimes the only way we can see the beauty of life is to remind ourselves that it is finite. Gandhi said, "Live as if you were to die tomorrow." His words are a potent reminder that living life more fully is not about pushing ourselves harder or shouldering more burdens, but about experiencing all the wonderful richness life has to offer.

From DailyOm

Love Always
mudra

zaina
01-06-2010, 04:01 PM
lovely post ,thank you Mudra
I have spent my life from a very early age pondering on death ,it seemed it was a matter of urgency from childhood to find out about death ..I don't know why .
In my search I have come across many idear's of what it is and this post had touched on some fascinating idear's and eye openers ..
I did tend to like Robert Morningsky work saying don't go in to the light /tunnel ,but insted fly out to the stars ,for some reason ..but them my awakening was a little harsh and may of had a impact on me ..
If for any reason the annunaki and reptilians etc is real ,could it be possible that they rule the other side ,if so we are trapped here .
I love to here any bodies view on this ,especially if some one has had a near death experience and witnessed the other side ...
I met my mother in a dream and it was very strange ,she was in a pub then a car talking to me ,she did not walk but floated ,she was talking to me fine then she told me to be quiet as I was crying saying I didnt have time to tell you about islam ,which i had embraced at that time she replied oh thats why ,but did not tell me any more ,then she changed in to a demon like person with black teeth and chased me ..this has bothered me some ..was it real or not i do not know ..
look forward to any response on this ,thank you namaste

Shaynard
01-06-2010, 04:17 PM
Your Last Breath
Redefining Your Priorities



Love Always
mudra



This post is both brilliant and beautiful.. Thank you.

Whether it be a blessing or a curse I have the ability to remember REALLY far back. Past this incarnation, and possibly all the way back. I can recall ''death" after many journeys. My favorite "phrase" regarding this has always been from Peter Pan: "To die will be an excellent adventure".. But it is one worth waiting for. This life has much beauty to be enjoyed, providing we can see through the pain and fear, and create our own beautiful reality. You chose and are choosing to be here. Enjoy it!

In light, of love
Shaynard

zaina
01-06-2010, 11:54 PM
hi shaynard
Can you say what it was like on the other side
and is frequency any thing to do with where you end up in the dimentions like dannion blinkley says ,he has had " near death experiences ,and helps people cross over now ,I am quite curious ,thanks zaina

mudra
01-07-2010, 12:58 AM
Thank you Shaynard for your light spirited post.
A very refreshing view on Life and death.
I enjoyed it :)

Love from me
mudra

Shaynard
01-07-2010, 05:30 AM
hi shaynard
Can you say what it was like on the other side
and is frequency any thing to do with where you end up in the dimentions like dannion blinkley says ,he has had " near death experiences ,and helps people cross over now ,I am quite curious ,thanks zaina

This is a complex question to answer, not knowing how much you already understand. I will do my best. :)

Peaceful. Much as each individual expects it to be. There is a difference between OBE and NDE's and actually passing over. With each OBE or NDE you'll hear (pretty much) the same stories, up until they return to the body. What the majority of people experience has some commonalities, and some aspects that are completely dependent on the person and their perceptions.

Common aspects usually include: a tunnel of light, beings that guide the way, a "repeat" of your life. Choosing to, or being told to, return to the body.

The aspect of "repeating" your life (or incarnation) is where many things can be, or simply appear, different. Karma must be dealt with. We have the chance to do much if not all of it, within our lifetime.. but many do not complete this and need "a little more time" before crossing over/returning to the "source"... << this is assuming you are not returning.

Your perception of the "time" will be drastically different, if you are to be returned to the body. If you are not returning, then after this 'repeat" everything is different than most can remember. Honestly I have a very difficult time trying to put it into words. I believe our language lacks he "words"..

I remember light.. love.. Warm.. Knowing.. Understanding.. Making a choice.. Enjoying the ''time"..

Your ability to perceive becomes DRASTICALLY different than it is now, which is where the difficulty in explaining it comes from. I hope this was helpful.

Overall.. Passing over, is a "nice" experience. Not to be feared as we are conditioned to do, but rather respected. What's important is not what happens when you pass over, but what you learn from your time here.

In light, of love
Shaynard

SteveX
01-07-2010, 02:59 PM
lovely post ,thank you Mudra
I have spent my life from a very early age pondering on death ,it seemed it was a matter of urgency from childhood to find out about death ..I don't know why .
In my search I have come across many idear's of what it is and this post had touched on some fascinating idear's and eye openers ..
I did tend to like Robert Morningsky work saying don't go in to the light /tunnel ,but insted fly out to the stars ,for some reason ..but them my awakening was a little harsh and may of had a impact on me ..
If for any reason the annunaki and reptilians etc is real ,could it be possible that they rule the other side ,if so we are trapped here .
I love to here any bodies view on this ,especially if some one has had a near death experience and witnessed the other side ...
I met my mother in a dream and it was very strange ,she was in a pub then a car talking to me ,she did not walk but floated ,she was talking to me fine then she told me to be quiet as I was crying saying I didnt have time to tell you about islam ,which i had embraced at that time she replied oh thats why ,but did not tell me any more ,then she changed in to a demon like person with black teeth and chased me ..this has bothered me some ..was it real or not i do not know ..
look forward to any response on this ,thank you namaste

I wrote about my experience of death on a site I use

http://ukauthors.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=24197

In short it's a very bright light. One is filled with so much information at the moment of passing. The sensation is beyond euphoric. Not enough words to describe it. It is part and one with nature. There wasn’t anything evil or bad just an understanding of… EVERYTHING.

Although linked to a conscious collective I had no link to god. He was not there. The impression I got was that he’s even bigger than our perception of our heaven.

Hope this helps you. There is nothing to fear. Its just part of the journey.

Regards
SteveX

zaina
01-07-2010, 03:31 PM
thank you shaynard and steve
In my lifes journey I was looking for what seemed right and I ended up reverting to islam ,the death scene in this religion is so scary that you are afraid to be your self ,I spend 8years fearing death ,to cut a long story short ,there was death punishment in the grave ,hell fire eternal etc etc ,it left a scare on me for sure and now and again I relive that fear ,I am so pleased mudra opened this post for people like me ,it reafirms things are ok and nature is nature and nothing to fear ,although islam taught me many many good qualities and dont for one minuite regret that brief path i took in that walk ,i just needed to over come the horrendous death senario it portrays ,
I almost died having a child some years back but only briefly and the first thing was quiet and peace ,then i was back here ,
I have looked at almost all the near death experiences but they only seem to go so far and no further ,I will re read the posts you have sent and thank you so much for your time it means alot to me ,namaste

zaina
01-07-2010, 03:54 PM
Thank you again shaynard and steve ,I just re read both posts ,and I can expect it most be very hard to put in to word ,I have trouble explaining earthly events ,
It is so nice to hear experiences of the other side ,
and really up lifts your spirit to be able to deal with the death senario which is inevitable ,
again cant thank you enough

Shaynard
01-07-2010, 05:53 PM
I would never knock any "faith" or relgion but too many people tend to find fear in death from religion. It's unfortunate really. Perhaps it is the "powers that be" who want "control" who caused that with their "additions" to such texts?

I personally, know of only one person who took something negative from a NDE. As I'm sure you've noticed, for most, it's life changing for the better. They gain appreciation, and love.. I don't believe in coincidence, so this seems to be true regardless of my own experiences.

My first true "teacher" used to say (she always used Biblical terms): "the only sin is to worry (or fear)". To me this transulated into "I have nothing to fear".. This has become true to my reality. Even in my darkest moments I have never been afraid, and I figure that comes from a positive understanding of life and death.

I am glad it helped you zaina..

In light, of love
Shaynard

futureyes
01-07-2010, 07:04 PM
lovely post ,thank you Mudra
I have spent my life from a very early age pondering on death ,it seemed it was a matter of urgency from childhood to find out about death ..I don't know why .
In my search I have come across many idear's of what it is and this post had touched on some fascinating idear's and eye openers ..
I did tend to like Robert Morningsky work saying don't go in to the light /tunnel ,but insted fly out to the stars ,for some reason ..but them my awakening was a little harsh and may of had a impact on me ..
If for any reason the annunaki and reptilians etc is real ,could it be possible that they rule the other side ,if so we are trapped here .
I love to here any bodies view on this ,especially if some one has had a near death experience and witnessed the other side ...
I met my mother in a dream and it was very strange ,she was in a pub then a car talking to me ,she did not walk but floated ,she was talking to me fine then she told me to be quiet as I was crying saying I didnt have time to tell you about islam ,which i had embraced at that time she replied oh thats why ,but did not tell me any more ,then she changed in to a demon like person with black teeth and chased me ..this has bothered me some ..was it real or not i do not know ..
look forward to any response on this ,thank you namaste

hi zaina ... we have nothing to fear within death ...
i will compact a little of my own experiences ... how i know this for myself ...

ok ... let's try to keep this short ... i have been known to ramble :naughty:
i have had a few nde's when i was growing up ... each incident was physically different and yet each was very similar upon the physical letting go ... once that occured i found the most peaceful ... calm and loving place i'd ever known ... but just enough to know such ... always being whisked back ... actually it was the returning that never felt that good ... when on the 'other side' ... i felt i was home ... i knew though none of those were my intersection to remain there ...

life went on ... profound knowings and experiences increased for me ...
after a truckload of teachings and understanding from higher self ... a few years back i began 'travelling' ... to the beyond ... this didn't happen overnight ... i remember there was much work involved ... lots of experiencing ... but ALWAYS ... i couldn't get enough ... i wanted to know everything about the unknown ... death being a big part of that ... death i came to know ... for me ... was my walkway to what i so dearly gravitated to ...

soon enough ... my experiences taught me there was no need to physically die to go beyond ... i now go back and forth like it was a revolving door ... i can feel others on their journey there ... i sometimes experience 'with them' ... and later visit their energy there ...

zaina ... i can tell you beyond is not a place of fear for fear cannot exist there ... when i travel there ... i cannot bring fear with me ... there isn't anyone at the door governing that ... it just happens ... just is ...

one of my biggest teachings was that i cannot remain there ... not yet ... i am meant to continue living this life experience ... that i still have something to offer that will come ... and now i am finally at peace with that ... for so long i just wanted to stay there ... it would be effortless for me to do so ...

now i honor and respect ... what is ... i don't need to tamper with it ... we don't have that kind of power ...

i know we are all meant to live this life experience to the BEST of our ability ... we are all meant to continue moving forward ... squeezing every bit of juice we can out of experiencing this life on a daily basis ...

you know ... it's funny ... when i was in fourth grade ... i couldn't stand my teacher and many times found myself looking out the window ... day dreaming ...

i remember a very unusual ... very profound moment ... whereby 'it' ... suddenly popped into my head out of nowhere ... 'i want to be one who visits death but comes back and tells everyone what it was like ... and keep going back and forth bringing back information ... of things we need to know' ...

that was crazy i thought ... where in the world did that come from ...
in hindsight ... careful what you wish for hey ...

every day i am humbled and blessed for what i experience ... yes i have always felt so very different than others ... that has been one of the most challenging things ... the aloneness felt ...
but now ... now i only feel that sometimes on the surface ...
within ... my gosh ... alone is the last thing i feel ...

this is the shortest i could muster ...

i fear more things here than i could fear anything on the other side ...

be well ...

:wub2:

zaina
01-08-2010, 12:02 AM
oh thank you ,isnt it just wonderful to share these experiences ,I could read for days on this subject alone ,and please feel free to ramble I LOVE IT ..
I have a kind of loneliness in this life ,but can not put it in to words why,it just is ,the closest I have come to feeling normal is when i joined this forum and felt the love and genuine people for the first time in a long time ,you are all truly wonderful people I have to say ,
and it is so nice that you take the time for others ,the energy here is love and kindness and people trying to make a difference ,
thank you

Shaynard
01-08-2010, 12:09 AM
oh thank you ,isnt it just wonderful to share these experiences ,I could read for days on this subject alone ,and please feel free to ramble I LOVE IT ..
I have a kind of loneliness in this life ,but can not put it in to words why,it just is ,the closest I have come to feeling normal is when i joined this forum and felt the love and genuine people for the first time in a long time ,you are all truly wonderful people I have to say ,
and it is so nice that you take the time for others ,the energy here is love and kindness and people trying to make a difference ,
thank you

The loneliness comes from feeling separated.. Remember you are not alone, and with each day that you KNOW that more, the better you will feel. In between now and that day, you have all of us to remind you.

You are loved. :)

In light, of love
Shaynard

~This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality, embrace this moment and remember, we are eternal all this pain is an illusion.~ MJK of tool

BROOK
01-08-2010, 07:01 AM
Understanding death. After losing my soul mate. Tragic. Unbelievably lonely. Alone in the knowledge that I have to wait a life time to see him again. Holding him with me for 35 years, after his death.... as I was told by an "intuitive"...that I should let him go.... to finally let him go a second time. Crushing. And only wanting to find that kind of love again...knowing it will never come.

What does one do?. Lash out in anger? Curse God for such a loss? Try to justify it by karma? Or just know that it is something that will never be achieved again? Not in this incarnation anyway.

Do I use this death for a "life experience"....Wow...what does one do with that concept?

You can have friends, and children, that you love very much..and the rewards are great. But when it does not complete you...when you feel empty, and alone in the confusion..where do you turn? Would death be an answer? To join again that which you have lost? do you have courage to keep going....replace that love with what? Ambition? Denial? substitute?

We are all one...there is only love. Love is all there is. Really? Then where is it? Is it here to comfort me? To protect me? To bring me warmth when I am cold? To laugh with me? Cry with me? My friends...that love..although it is in me, and yes, it is "eternal"...it is no longer shared here and NOW....it was stolen by death. Death is death. And that soul is on another path now.

Love is eternal. Oh it most certainly is. But here and now...in the present.....that love is not here. I cannot hold his hand. I cannot see his face, or hear his words. I cannot share the moments of raising his son...and share those proud moments.

I've been told so many times..I will find love again. And in some instances..yes..I found a love. But not the same love..and not nearly as deep or fulfilling. Why? Because a part of me died when he died.

Will he always be with me? So I've been told..over and over again. But here in this three D existence...he is not here. And I do not have that to share anymore. And that is how I understand death.

Shaynard
01-08-2010, 07:26 AM
One thing I remember most from seeing beyond an incarnation, is the sense that what we perceive as time is not real, and what feels like forever, is really just a blink of an eye, or an inward and outward breath. When we have the ability to properly understand time, it "bends to our needs".

I couldn't say much, Brooke, that could ever truly comfort you, although I wish I could.. truly! You've clearly "heard it all before", and I sure you also know, until you find it for yourself, it can't exist.

Empathy is what I feel for you right now. He is with you right now. Again you know this. He always has, and always will be.. Again you know this. My intentions will go out in hopes that you remember, you know you know this..

There is no replacing the memory of a love. The funny thing about us seems to be, we want it to fade/get easier, until it does. Death is not an end, it's a change. Things change and we must embrace this change in order to find a way to make sense of it all.

I feel like I could type forever here, but I will save you from that, lol. I can assure you from the bottom of my heart you are loved (by that being) now and always.. It sounds cliche I suppose but, you'll get to see him again.. in a sense. Until then I wish you all the love and strength in the universe to see you through.

In light, of love
Shaynard

zaina
01-08-2010, 12:32 PM
Understanding death. After losing my soul mate. Tragic. Unbelievably lonely. Alone in the knowledge that I have to wait a life time to see him again. Holding him with me for 35 years, after his death.... as I was told by an "intuitive"...that I should let him go.... to finally let him go a second time. Crushing. And only wanting to find that kind of love again...knowing it will never come.

What does one do?. Lash out in anger? Curse God for such a loss? Try to justify it by karma? Or just know that it is something that will never be achieved again? Not in this incarnation anyway.

Do I use this death for a "life experience"....Wow...what does one do with that concept?

You can have friends, and children, that you love very much..and the rewards are great. But when it does not complete you...when you feel empty, and alone in the confusion..where do you turn? Would death be an answer? To join again that which you have lost? do you have courage to keep going....replace that love with what? Ambition? Denial? substitute?

We are all one...there is only love. Love is all there is. Really? Then where is it? Is it here to comfort me? To protect me? To bring me warmth when I am cold? To laugh with me? Cry with me? My friends...that love..although it is in me, and yes, it is "eternal"...it is no longer shared here and NOW....it was stolen by death. Death is death. And that soul is on another path now.

Love is eternal. Oh it most certainly is. But here and now...in the present.....that love is not here. I cannot hold his hand. I cannot see his face, or hear his words. I cannot share the moments of raising his son...and share those proud moments.

I've been told so many times..I will find love again. And in some instances..yes..I found a love. But not the same love..and not nearly as deep or fulfilling. Why? Because a part of me died when he died.

Will he always be with me? So I've been told..over and over again. But here in this three D existence...he is not here. And I do not have that to share anymore. And that is how I understand death.



wow very deep ,and very touching ,brought tears to my eyes ,thank you for sharing something so real ,

SteveX
01-08-2010, 01:15 PM
Brook

That's very sad and in another way, especially after 35 years, very gallant.

You did say “Do I use this death for a "life experience"....Wow...what does one do with that concept”

I’m just an intardnet geezer and I don’t have answers. At least non-that you’ve probably heard before in all this time. All I can add is that you are already using this in your life experience. You don’t do anything with the concept. It just is. Much like a photo in the family album. The moment was there and in an instant captured on film. Part of life’s tapestry that we collect on our individual journeys… whatever that may be. As we move along our path things change. We change. Nothing can ever be duplicated and it’s unreasonable to expect it to be. You can only expect it to be familiar and DIFFERENT. Perhaps if you embraced the difference you’ll have more photos in your album.

Again I don’t have answers. What would really concern me is if this was having a negative effect on your life. If you were to look in your photo album once in a while that’s fine but if you spent 35 years with the album on your lap then that’s bad.

I do hope your post was a homage to your loved one rather than a manifestation of clinic depression.

Regards
SteveX

BROOK
01-08-2010, 04:04 PM
Shaynard...you have no idea how divinely guided your words are.

After the realization of carrying keeping him here for 35 years after his death..I let him go. And said my good byes..the good bye I never had a chance to do the first time. And one thing I said was..that I was sorry for keeping him here for all that time. His answer to me was..."It's only in the blink of an eye, don't sweat it".

Yes that is true...but here in this time construct...it's still a life time.

SteveX...how I have dealt with this is as described above. With ambition, denial, and substitute.

I have become a very savvy business woman, a good mother...to not only the child we had together, but two more...and experienced two failed marriages in the process.

I do not believe I am clinically depressed..however my emotional body from time to time is a mess...and I have even recently lost a friend over it. I have MAJOR abandonment issues (imagine that) A very disturbing thing for me to accept that for some reason..It just is something that if I have to experience this 3D existence here...it seems to be the only way I can manage.

That experience alone has shown me that..as long as I'm here...I am all alone in this..and I will survive here for as long as my time allows..but the love that was once there...will never be had by me until I am gone..and meet him again.

Will I experience the love of my beautiful children..yes...do I see beauty around...yes...but I truly do not have the one I love to share it with..and that is something I will never be able to fathom in this incarnation....because I miss that sharing of love in that sense...and it seems it cannot be achieved by me...as much as I would like it to be so.

BROOK
01-08-2010, 05:07 PM
I would like to also say bless you for the concerns you have shared here...as I know that sharing a death experience is difficult, and can bleed onto others when sharing them. It is not my intention to have that happen..just to share the experience in it's true form, as I, and many have experienced it.

Many Blessings
Brook

Shaynard
01-08-2010, 06:44 PM
I would like to also say bless you for the concerns you have shared here...as I know that sharing a death experience is difficult, and can bleed onto others when sharing them. It is not my intention to have that happen..just to share the experience in it's true form, as I, and many have experienced it.

Many Blessings
Brook

I am thankful you have shared this Brooke... "Blood of my blood".. I don't mind at all.

All the best, you've done amazing.

In light, of love
Shaynard

mudra
01-08-2010, 10:27 PM
Brook thank you for sharing your touching story .
I wish I could bring back your soul mate to you .
The sorrow you have gone through and the longing
for your lost one I do know well for having lived it myself
time and again in the stream of my many lives .
The things that were given to us are taken away the
next moment. It is all about change and impermanence.
Knowing this I have learned to let go of creations that
are not meant to last forever .
All I can do is to give and to Love for the Love of One is the
Love of all .
Each time you'll love someone from all your heart and soul
as you did for your soul mate .. of that love that brings you
into total oneness then know that he will be touched
and filled by your Love too .

Love from me
mudra

futureyes
01-08-2010, 11:05 PM
thank you brook for sharing this with us ... i felt your pain of your loss as i read your words ... yet i also felt your writing ... to be your healing as well ... and also ... our learning from it ...

your soul mate brook ... is fine ... more than fine ... and i feel within your heart ... you know this ...

from what i have experienced ... through the passing of others ... is that their soul ... their energy ... desires us to continue living ... to the absolute fullest of life's potential ...

when we do so ... we are expanding our being ... in the beyond ... all is infinite ... in the beyond ... it just is ...

here ... we can feel that same fulfilling expansion ... but here it takes a little consicious work ... but we are meant to expand ... the others ... whom have passed ... know of this then ...

your soul mate brook ... i feel is with you always ... always wanting you to live fuller the next day than the previous one ... i feel this ... his guidance for you to do this ...

you will never lose your heart connection brook ... ever ... moving forward ... does not mean severing that connection because that would be impossible to do ...

ALWAYS ... he is with you and you with him ... the veil between your energy and his energy is actually so thin ... amazingly thin ... but only from this side ... from the other side ... there is no veil ... only the infinite of all that is ...

you are with us ... here and now ... for purpose ... to raise vibration of this world to something very new and beautiful ...
and your soul mate ... assist you ... from a different realm ... but really ... only the physical separation exists ... everything else is quite intact ...

you are a beautiful person brook ... with such inspirational energy ...
as i have always felt about you ... you are a teacher ... teacher of truth ... your wisdom needs to be heard ...

no one can bring them back to this plane ...
we can trust though ... that they are fine ... and that we are fine as well ... and always will be ... with the changes we experience ...

and i trust ... that one day ... that thin veil between us all ... will dissipate completely ... we will know things ... and experience ... the infinity that they do now ... on this plane ...

they are not that far from us ...
trust it is so ...

move forward ... grow within all this life has to offer ...
and offer it to others ... for there you will find true fulfillment ...

and your soul mate ... always remains with you ...

namaste ...

:wub2:

SiriArc
01-10-2010, 08:21 AM
Seth:

You Are As Dead Now

As You Have Ever Been

Or Ever Will Be

mudra
01-10-2010, 01:51 PM
Seth:

You Are As Dead Now

As You Have Ever Been

Or Ever Will Be

I can understand this too as the concepts of Life and death are attributes we give to matter energy space and time while the realm of spirit stands outside of these.

Love Always
mudra

mudra
01-12-2010, 10:33 PM
Osho's epitaph:

Never Born, Never Died--Only visited this planet Earth between December 11, 1931 and January 19,1990.

Love Always
mudra

mudra
01-12-2010, 10:34 PM
“Nothing really dies,” I told him. “It just turns into something else. Everything is always changing form. Do you remember the pumpkin that rotted into the earth in your garden? Tomatoes sprouted where it used to be. This bird will go back to the earth and turn into lavendar flowers and butterflies.”

Anne Cushman

Love Always
mudra

SteveX
01-31-2010, 07:43 PM
Came across this site a few days ago. Near Death Experience Research Foundation have collected many experiences. Worth a read. http://www.nderf.org/

mudra
01-31-2010, 09:06 PM
Thank you SteveX . Great info .

Love from me
mudra

mudra
03-10-2010, 03:15 PM
On Death
Kahlil Gibran

You would know the secret of death.
But how shall you find it unless you seek it in the heart of life?
The owl whose night-bound eyes are blind unto the day cannot unveil the mystery of light.
If you would indeed behold the spirit of death, open your heart wide unto the body of life.
For life and death are one, even as the river and the sea are one.


In the depth of your hopes and desires lies your silent knowledge of the beyond;
And like seeds dreaming beneath the snow your heart dreams of spring.
Trust the dreams, for in them is hidden the gate to eternity.
Your fear of death is but the trembling of the shepherd when he stands before the king whose hand is to be laid upon him in honour.
Is the shepherd not joyful beneath his trembling, that he shall wear the mark of the king?
Yet is he not more mindful of his trembling?


For what is it to die but to stand naked in the wind and to melt into the sun?
And what is it to cease breathing, but to free the breath from its restless tides, that it may rise and expand and seek God unencumbered?


Only when you drink from the river of silence shall you indeed sing.
And when you have reached the mountain top, then you shall begin to climb.
And when the earth shall claim your limbs, then shall you truly dance.

Love Always
mudra

pedro m.b.
03-10-2010, 04:17 PM
just some years ago i realise that life is something extraordinarily, i live one day at a time, enjoying every part of it, i have a lot of happy moments now. i´m amazed by the simple things around me.
live your live to the fullest in a positive way, to you and to every beings around you. :original:

some of the teachings that have inspired me.

To live completely, wholly, every day as if it were a new loveliness, there must be dying to everything of yesterday, otherwise you live mechanically, and a mechanical mind can never know what love is or what freedom is.
Jiddu Krishnamurti

Most of us are frightened of dying because we don't know what it means to live.
Jiddu Krishnamurti

Death is not the end.
Death can never be the end.
Death is the road.
Life is the traveller.
The Soul is the Guide.
Sri Chinmoy

The reality of my life cannot die
for I am indestructible consciousness.
- Paramahansa Yogananda -

A stone I died and rose again a plant;
a plant I died and rose an animal;
I died an animal and was born a man.
Why should I fear? What have I lost by death?
-Rumi

Normally we do not like to think about death.
We would rather think about life.
Why reflect on death?
When you start preparing for death you soon realize
that you must look into your life now...
and come to face the truth of your self.
Death is like a mirror in which the true meaning of life is reflected.
-Sogyal Rinpoche

A human being is a part of a whole, called by us 'universe', a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.
Albert Einstein

Live as if you were to die tomorrow.
Learn as if you were to live forever.
Mohandas Gandhi

People sleep,
and when they die,
they awake.
Mohammed

If you would indeed behold the spirit of death,
open your heart wide into the body of life.
For life and death are one,
even as the river and the sea are one.
Kahlil Gibran

Security is mostly a superstition.
It does not exist in nature,
nor do the children of men as a whole experience it.
Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure.
Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.
Helen Keller

Birth is not the beginning,
Death is not the end.
Chuang Tsu

http://www.oneism.org/images/beingoflight.jpg

pedro :cheerful_h4h:

Realview
03-12-2010, 06:35 PM
One should certainly fear death. Pretending with philosophy is useless, mental-ism is useless. If you are not certain where you will go and what you will be next you should certainly fear death. Imagining is worthless, believing is worthless, fear death and look for real proof now. The mind is a terrible liar, anyone can fabricate delusions of their spiritual status and future. Fear of death is a very good thing. Those who pretend to not fear death, fear it the most.

Crow
03-13-2010, 04:40 AM
One should certainly fear death. Pretending with philosophy is useless, mental-ism is useless. If you are not certain where you will go and what you will be next you should certainly fear death. Imagining is worthless, believing is worthless, fear death and look for real proof now. The mind is a terrible liar, anyone can fabricate delusions of their spiritual status and future. Fear of death is a very good thing. Those who pretend to not fear death, fear it the most.

I respectfully disagree with you.

I have died many times, 57 on earth in fact, as we all have 'died'.

In my most immediate past life, my death was tragic, a young soldier in Vietnam, scared, upset at being drafted, and my life ended in a flash. It felt like a sudden surprise. As my spirit lifted out of my body I saw my best friend in Vietnam dead next to me, and I sobbed. As my unit continued to fight, I did not hesitate to leave the scene and I was tugged up over the jungle canopy, lifted into the stars. I could sense a light envelope me, and my battered soul and drained energy was greeted by my guide in the brightest light I could ever imagine. I personally did not see a tunnel, but a grayish white energy 'capture me'. It was surreal.

(BTW I have gone back and validated my past lives, and I have described things in my past that I have never, ever been aware of in this lifetime)

I have died and I will die again. I do not fear death because I have been there, and trust me, it is not to be feared. It is to be welcomed.