Argentine glacier advances despite global warming

[Dantheman62]

By JEANNETTE NEUMANN, Associated Press Writer Jeannette Neumann, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 37 mins ago

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina – Argentina's Perito Moreno glacier is one of only a few ice fields worldwide that have withstood rising global temperatures.

Nourished by Andean snowmelt, the glacier constantly grows even as it spawns icebergs the size of apartment buildings into a frigid lake, maintaining a nearly perfect equilibrium since measurements began more than a century ago.

"We're not sure why this happens," said Andres Rivera, a glacialist with the Center for Scientific Studies in Valdivia, Chile. "But not all glaciers respond equally to climate change."

Viewed at a safe distance on cruise boats or the wooden observation deck just beyond the glacier's leading edge, Perito Moreno's jagged surface radiates a brilliant white in the strong Patagonian sun. Submerged sections glow deep blue.

And when the wind blows in a cloud cover, the 3-mile-wide (5 kilometer) glacier seems to glow from within as the surrounding mountains and water turn a meditative gray.

Every few years, Perito Moreno expands enough to touch a point of land across Lake Argentina, cutting the nation's largest freshwater lake in half and forming an ice dam as it presses against the shore.

The water on one side of the dam surges against the glacier, up to 200 feet (60 meters) above lake level, until it breaks the ice wall with a thunderous crash, drowning the applause of hundreds of tourists.

"It's like a massive building falling all of the sudden," said park ranger Javier D'Angelo, who experienced the rupture in 2008 and 1998.

The rupture is a reminder that while Perito Moreno appears to be a vast, 19-mile-long (30 kilometer) frozen river, it's a dynamic icescape that moves and cracks unexpectedly.

"The glacier has a lot of life," said Luli Gavina, who leads mini-treks across the glacier's snow fields.


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[BROOK]

Just thought I'd add some cool pics...really cool huh? :thumb_yello:

http://images.forbestraveler.com/media/photos/inspirations/adventure/glacier-adventures-02-g.jpg

http://www.treehugger.com/perito-moreno-glacier-break-2008.jpg

http://www.planetark.com/images/wefull/51455.jpg

[Dantheman62]

Nice!!

[peaceandlove]

Nice Ice Brrrrrrrrrrrrrook! :lol3:

ICE AGE NOW
Not by Fire but by Ice
THE NEXT ICE AGE - NOW!

Headed for a “year without a summer?” :nono:

10 Jun 09 – AccuWeather's Joe Bastardi talks of the “colder-than-normal weather across the northern tier of the country,” says reader Charles Patrick. Bastardi also concludes that “areas from the northern Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer."

“The last time this happened was the Tamboro eruption in 1815 followed by a year without a summer in 1816,” says Patrick. “A time US locals from Virginia to Maine called "Eighteen Hundred and Froze to Death."

Examples: "...In May 1816,[4] however, frost killed off most of the crops that had been planted, and in June two large snowstorms in eastern Canada and New England resulted in many human deaths. Nearly a foot (30 cm) of snow was observed in Quebec City in early June, with consequent additional loss of crops—most summer growing plants have cell walls which rupture in a mild frost, let alone a snowstorm coating the soils. The result was widespread localized famines, and further deaths from those who, in a hunger-weakened state, then succumbed to disease. ...In the ensuing bitter winter of 1817, when the thermometer dropped to -26°F (-32 °C), the waters of New York’s Upper Bay froze so hard that horse-drawn sleighs were driven across Buttermilk Channel from Brooklyn to Governors Island.[6] The effects were widespread and lasted beyond the winter. In eastern Switzerland, the summers of 1816 and 1817 were so cool that an ice dam formed below a tongue of the Giétroz glacier high in the Val de Bagnes; in spite of the efforts of the engineer Ignaz Venetz to drain the growing lake, the ice dam collapsed catastrophically in June 1818.[7]"

"Granted, the problem went away within a couple years, but there's no volcano this time - just the sun which isn't going anywhere.

"If the sun remains dormant as it has," Patrick ends, "the summers of 2010-2012 should prove very interesting."

See accuweather article: http://www.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=netweather&traveler=0&zipChg=1&article=9

SOURCE: http://iceagenow.com/Headed_for_a_year_without_a_summer.htm



Why isn't the media reporting these record low temperatures?
They're lying to us by omission.
So, I fear, is our government.

Record low temperatures in 18 states - 6 Jun 09
Record low temperatures in 15 states - 5 Jun 09
Record low max temperatures in 24 states - 5 Jun 09
Record low temperatures in 11 states – 4 Jun 09
Record low max temperatures in 20 states - 4 Jun 09
Record low temperatures in seven states - 3 Jun 09
Record low max temperatures in 10 states - 3 Jun 09


RECORD LOWS - 2009 :mfr_omg:
Record Low Temperatures in the United States

Excerpt:

June 6th: Snow in North Dakota - in June - It may have been only a couple of inches, but it snowed in Dickinson, ND last night, the first time in 60 years that Dickinson residents have seen snow in June.
http://www.kxmc.com/News/386720.asp

Click for LOW List: http://iceagenow.com/Record_Lows_2009.htm

WEBSITE Robert W. Felix: http://iceagenow.com/

[BROOK]

This does not surprise me...it's very cold today in So California....this time of year is usually very warm....hmmmm :shocked:

[Humble Janitor]

While this is fascinating, I'd hesitate to use it as something to prove that global warming is a hoax.

I'd rather mention the warming of other planets since that seems to go ignored and it's much easier than trying to debunk something, which I think is best left to actual scientists. I'm not a scientist but it doesn't mean that science doesn't fascinate me.

[peaceandlove]

Statement on Global Warming Petition Signed by 31,478 Scientists

"It is time that we look beyond those few who seek increased taxation and increased regulation and control of the American people. Our energy policies must be based upon scientific truth -- not fictional movies or self-interested international agendas."

By Ron Paul
Published 06/15/09

Before the US House of Representatives, June 4, 2009

Madam Speaker, before voting on the "cap-and-trade'' legislation, my colleagues should consider the views expressed in the following petition that has been signed by 31,478 American scientists:

"We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.''

Circulated through the mail by a distinguished group of American physical scientists and supported by a definitive review of the peer-reviewed scientific literature, this may be the strongest and most widely supported statement on this subject that has been made by the scientific community. A state-by-state listing of the signers, which include 9,029 men and women with PhD degrees, a listing of their academic specialties, and a peer-reviewed summary of the science on this subject are available at www.petitionproject.org.

The peer-reviewed summary, "Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide'' by A. B. Robinson, N. E. Robinson, and W. Soon includes 132 references to the scientific literature and was circulated with the petition.

Signers of this petition include 3,803 with specific training in atmospheric, earth, and environmental sciences. All 31,478 of the signers have the necessary training in physics, chemistry, and mathematics to understand and evaluate the scientific data relevant to the human-caused global warming hypothesis and to the effects of human activities upon environmental quality.

Continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=114




31,000 + Scientists Dispute UN's Global Warming Claims

19 May 08 - (National Post) The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) will announce that more than 31,000 scientists have signed a petition rejecting claims of human-caused global warming. It is evident that 31,072 Americans with university degrees in science – including 9,021 PhDs, are not “a few.” Moreover, from the clear and strong petition statement that they have signed, it is evident that these 31,072 American scientists are not “skeptics.” Following the Press Club event, 10:00am, Monday May 19 at the Holeman Lounge at the National Press Club, 529 14th St., NW, Washington, DC - Dr. Robinson will host a lunch briefing on the Hill. Interested parties may join him in the Environment and Public Works hearing room, 406 Dirksen at noon for lunch on Monday May 19.]

32,000 deniers

Posted: May 16, 2008, 7:20 PM by Jeff White

Lawrence Solomon, The Deniers, Climate change, global warming, carbon dioxide, greenhouse gases, Al Gore

That’s the number of scientists who are outraged by the Kyoto Protocol’s corruption of science

Freeman Dyson is one of the world’s most eminent physicists.

By Lawrence Solomon

Question: How many scientists does it take to establish that a consensus does not exist on global warming? The quest to establish that the science is not settled on climate change began before most people had even heard of global warming.

The year was 1992 and the United Nations was about to hold its Earth Summit in Rio. It was billed as — and was — the greatest environmental and political assemblage in human history. Delegations came from 178 nations — virtually every nation in the world — including 118 heads of state or government and 7,000 diplomatic bureaucrats. The world’s environmental groups came too — they sent some 30,000 representatives from every corner of the world to Rio. To report all this, 7,000 journalists converged on Rio to cover the event, and relay to the publics of the world that global warming and other environmental insults were threatening the planet with catastrophe.

In February of that year, in an attempt to head off the whirlwind that the conference would unleash, 47 scientists signed a “Statement by Atmospheric Scientists on Greenhouse Warming,” decrying “the unsupported assumption that catastrophic global warming follows from the burning of fossil fuels and requires immediate action.”

Continues: http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2008/05/17/32-000-deniers.aspx

Source: http://iceagenow.com/31000_scientists_dispute_global_warming_claims.htm

[Humble Janitor]

It would be more credible if it included scientists from around the world as well.

The fact that they are only American scientists, makes it dubious since our previous president was one of the non-believers in global warming.

The numbers are too low to be believable.