Obama is a fraud

[Waterman]

So Obama is a fraud, he has duped the American people and dazed a bunch of coolaid drinkers. If this doesn't get him removed I'm going to invest in the Cool Aid company because they must selling tons.

"In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship." Source: http://www.rense.com/general86/dwnto.htm

[Anchor]

This is probably just more illuminati propaganda. They have their spin machines running at full tilt.

[Zeddo]

We have the cause, we have the reaction, now I can't wait to see the solution.......this should really be interesting eh?

[lemon_sky88]

My eyebrow is fully raised at this dude. I just hope he is a light beror and aware of him self. If not we are on a crash course with destiny. I caint tell with Obama because he has to work with the people who have been f**in this country up for their own ajenda/power. As a result of being there for some time there hold has to be quite strong. I caint tell if hes trying to break that hold in his own way or if hes apart of the problem. We need a fierce out spoken not scared of nobody president. I fear that Obama wants good but is too scared to accomplish his goals and the concequince for falling back will be dire. I can understand his fear for his family. If his life is taken over serious change like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. , J.F. Kennedy, and the list gose on. His family would be without and so forth. Well dont become the leader if you are not in a position to lead. Why wont Obama outs these dudes! Where is the transparency he promised because im still guessing just like I had to do with the damn Bush administration. what is Obamas next move and where is he going with this "change" hes promised? I see thus far things have only changed on paper not in life. the fat cats are still fat and I, My kids, There kids kids, are still well screwd. We need a true el capitan, can Obama fill these shoes or is he a wolf in sheeps clothing?

[Humble Janitor]

So Obama is a fraud, he has duped the American people and dazed a bunch of coolaid drinkers. If this doesn't get him removed I'm going to invest in the Cool Aid company because they must selling tons.

"In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship." Source: http://www.rense.com/general86/dwnto.htm

This is part of what makes these forums a hostile place for those that don't share (what appears to be) a majority opinion of hate/hostility towards Obama.

Perhaps this is why Bill and Kerry do not get involved much with the forums (other than their regular duties)?

I would leave the Obama stuff up to Rense and his cronies because it contributes nothing to this place.

[BROOK]

This is part of what makes these forums a hostile place for those that don't share (what appears to be) a majority opinion of hate/hostility towards Obama.

Perhaps this is why Bill and Kerry do not get involved much with the forums (other than their regular duties)?

I would leave the Obama stuff up to Rense and his cronies because it contributes nothing to this place.

Humble...I love you dearly...but I have to disagree with you...it means everything.....the PTB are out of control...and he is just as much a part of it as anyone. there is no difference between the Democrats and Republicans. :mad3: It's just an illusion to make us think we have the smallest bit of control..so we will remain passive while they do their dirty work.
I would love to believe that he is doing the right thing...but his actions tell the world otherwise.
This administration is not following through with anything but the completion of the previous one. Just under a different hat as it were.
So...when the SHTF.....remember these words :wub2:

[Humble Janitor]

What does Obama's citizenship have to do with his current job performance?

Someone care to tell me?

Otherwise, it's hard to take this place seriously sometimes with threads like this. I read about spreading love and positivity and also read posts clearly written out of hatred or negativity. Which is it? What is the purpose of this place nowadays?

I have a friend who told me about Camelot. We used to discuss it. He wont' come around anymore because of the attitude towards Obama. That's one less person out of many that could be tuning in.

It would make more sense to present a neutral opinion on ALL world leaders. None are perfect but please, don't make every single post/thread an opportunity to drag them through the mud, again and again.

[BROOK]

What does Obama's citizenship have to do with his current job performance?

Someone care to tell me?

Otherwise, it's hard to take this place seriously sometimes with threads like this. I read about spreading love and positivity and also read posts clearly written out of hatred or negativity. Which is it? What is the purpose of this place nowadays?

I have a friend who told me about Camelot. We used to discuss it. He wont' come around anymore because of the attitude towards Obama. That's one less person out of many that could be tuning in.

It would make more sense to present a neutral opinion on ALL world leaders. None are perfect but please, don't make every single post/thread an opportunity to drag them through the mud, again and again.


I certainly don't hate Obama..in fact when he became president..I cried to see that a black man was elected president....we've come a long way! And it's about time....
However....if he got elected through fraud....it's worse then ever...for that very fact.
Now...in my heart I hope it's not true..that fraud was committed...however...it speaks very loud of what he is made of if that is the case. And if it is true..he has done his race a disservice ...because they did not commit it he did.
What relevance does it have if he committed fraud to get elected?

His honor..that's what ...and the belief of the ones that elected him

[BROOK]

On one had Humble I agree with you...it's pointless to rehash this stuff..there is so much more to focus on..but it is something to think about..and obviously it is being rehashed due to major disappointment

Now there are many threads here that are very positive....but we cannot forget...we have to keep our eyes open,
otherwise...they, the PTB will keep abusing us..and I for one won't stand for it anymore, and will fight against it because I believe we deserve better

[Luminari]

I think Obama was much better than any of the other alternatives (except Ron Paul!) so people should stop whining. He's doing a much better job in foreign relations than any president in my lifetime. He's taken a hard line against Israelis expanding there stupid settlements which is admirable. Gave a great speech to encourage unity with the Islamic world in Cairo.
Bush, Cheney and the monkey brigade would never have the balls or integrity to do either... the list goes on. Crowned with eventual disclosure hopefully.

And sort this economic **** out (dismantle the Fed system) so we can get back to the really important stuff... like sending humans to Mars and building a base on the Moon (even if we have to pay the Zeta rent :sneaky2:) And of course world peace followed by galactic peace.

The Obama being a foreign national scandal (which I believe is probably true) might be part of a long term agenda to get this guy in office in 2012?:

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww178/luminari_2009/arnold_seal20medium.jpg

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww178/luminari_2009/arnold_vote4me.jpg

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[Northern Boy]

What does Obama's citizenship have to do with his current job performance?

Someone care to tell me?

Otherwise, it's hard to take this place seriously sometimes with threads like this. I read about spreading love and positivity and also read posts clearly written out of hatred or negativity. Which is it? What is the purpose of this place nowadays?

I have a friend who told me about Camelot. We used to discuss it. He wont' come around anymore because of the attitude towards Obama. That's one less person out of many that could be tuning in.

It would make more sense to present a neutral opinion on ALL world leaders. None are perfect but please, don't make every single post/thread an opportunity to drag them through the mud, again and again.

Humble If you don`t mind my asking what do you see that he has done /is doing that makes him any different than the rest no one is saying they hate the man but I see no reason to run up to him shake his hand and say hey great job your doing there Barack

Just so you know I`m none to pleased with the Leaders of the Liberal and Conservative parties up here either

[orthodoxymoron]

I like the idea of sticking to the issues...and not making it personal. Critical thinking should be the norm...not hatred. I see a potential constitutional crisis regarding Obama's citizenship. This could precipitate civil unrest, martial law...and suspension of the Constitution. I'm thinking more and more that all world leaders simply follow orders...and not necessarily from humans. I know I'm a nut...but maybe it takes a nut to figure out what's really going on in this nutty world.

[Phtha]

Youth Brigade! Yea!
Ok sorry but its just so obvious.

Anyways whether Obama is good or not is besides the point.
The fact is we don't need anyone to tell us how to live and what to believe.
Our soul does a great job of that if we listen to it! But the system makes us polarize to ego.
I know its hard to see, but if government would just go away, along with the police, the health care system, education institutions, and the whole 9 yards, we the human race would be so much more productive, peaceful, educated, and rich with abundance. The whole system is made to produce scarcity and to make us believe we need these laws for protection while at the same time forcing us into violence through poverty and media trickery, among other things.

It's all a sham. Rise above it consciously so you can see the whole picture, and you can't deny it! Stop looking for help in Washington, cuz it ain't coming from there, it never was and it never will be because at its core Washington is a giant monster of corruption. Look at our recorded his-story as proof.


Or don't, then we can continue the downward spiral into a very unpleasant reality that is a waste to even think about. :lightsabre:

[Anchor]

Obama is dismantling the illuminati bit by bit.

I don't see the problem. He outed Cheney as the torturer, that and what he is doing to the FED has probably got a lot of guns pointed at him.

I wish people would learn to recognize black-ops propaganda. The illuminati hate him and they will do anything to bring him down, and many "conspiracy-nuts" are soft targets for these black-ops propaganda types - easy to manipulate because they have learned to thrive on less than 100% factual coverage.

Obama is simply playing the game as it needs to be played. I would not want his job. I would not want to have to call the loosing of a bridge to win a war, but at a higher level of being I am sure that we are all on the same side really.

I wish him all possible light and protection for the highest and best good of all - he certainly needs it.

A..

[mntruthseeker]

Thank you for posting that Waterman...............

I knew that this was being investigated and there are many court cases pending just to verify his citizenship.

Its too bad that people get so angry over this posting when in all actuallity, it is very important and it serioiusly means alot.

I didn't want Obama for president, I wanted Hillary.............what a joke....I had no idea what was really going on in the world and when I finally found out, and thanks to Kathleen, in this room, I did open my eyes. She helped alot.

I know it makes no difference what party you are affiliated with. Republican or Democrats............I was raised Democrat but now I consider myself a liberal. Yes it was nice to see a Black man but I had my doubts regarding this man after I heard him speak for the second time. I couldn't put my finger on it but it was close to fear. I identified him with "the antichrist" and now I no longer do that. I did a whole lot of research on Obama because I wanted to know who he was. My friends told me that he had to become the president because a black man had to be in power to bring back Karma to the white race. I laughed and told her that was hillarious. Now, after researching, I see where she is coming from. She is a Reiki Master and has taught me alot regarding that end of the spectrum but at the time, it meant nothing to me.

Jeff Rense, David Icke, Alex Jones .............yes they are three that come to my mind right now that bash Obama......but they also bashed Bush, Clinton and many others. Im proud of these men for all that they have done to get word to the people of the world.........Thats what really matters here.........getting the word out to the people

This needs to be said.............this needs to be discussed. Why, to wake up the world. His words are not truthful..............wake up people, wake up.

Pray or meditate and love each other and prepare .

Now the gays are uprising saying "obama, stabbed them in the back"
The Christains are uprising saying "obama only cares for the Muslins"
The Native Americans are uprising saying "obama lied to them about health care and so much more"

Obama is a puppet................nothing else..............no changes in the white house, it's right on course..............WE NEED TO DO THE CHANGES OURSELF

So I'm sorry that you get so mad and many others, including my husband, because we all have so much hope in obama and it's not going to happen with him. He is only a puppet just like the rest.

[Anchor]

and it's not going to happen with him.

It certainly won't if everyone thinks this way.

Obama, if a puppet, is just as easily your puppet and can easily be an agent for the change you want.

Your universe is yours you know - make it so.

A..

[Humble Janitor]

It certainly won't if everyone thinks this way.

Obama, if a puppet, is just as easily your puppet and can easily be an agent for the change you want.

Your universe is yours you know - make it so.

A..

Exactly.

[BROOK]

It certainly won't if everyone thinks this way.

Obama, if a puppet, is just as easily your puppet and can easily be an agent for the change you want.

Your universe is yours you know - make it so.

A..

Point taken, and you are so right...it is what we make it

[Phtha]

This is all news to me, last I heard he massively expanded the feds power...
Actions speak louder then lies.
And the failing illuminati control the media and washington, so why would they need to use Rense as their outlet to xpose Obama? Why does everyone who has a bad opinion of Obama get called whiners and other insults by his supporters? Oh yea the programs are programming them, that's why, silly me I forgot.
Why does everyone keep calling Obama black when he's half white? At least according to the official story.
Why does his name vibrate Barack (iraq), Hussein (explaination not needed), Obama (Osama)? Is it by pure chance? Have you researched into that?

No one even knew of the guy 18 months ago, amazing how easy it has become for the ptw. :mfr_lol:

As for Cheney, nothing has happened to him and nothing new came out that everyone didn't already know.


Obama is dismantling the illuminati bit by bit.

I don't see the problem. He outed Cheney as the torturer, that and what he is doing to the FED has probably got a lot of guns pointed at him - yet all I hear is whining about how he is one of them.

[Phtha]

It certainly won't if everyone thinks this way.

Obama, if a puppet, is just as easily your puppet and can easily be an agent for the change you want.

Your universe is yours you know - make it so.

A..

Not to be disagreeable but I disagree. We don't need to look outside to these so called leaders for change. That's what got us in the mess.

The Universe doesn't do politics.

[Dantheman62]

To me it really doesn't matter who's president anymore. I've never voted and probably never will.
Life is a never ending movie titled " Live and Learn"
I'll just come back over and over again, each time playing a different part!
It's a vicious never ending cycle, LOL

[Humble Janitor]

Why does everyone who has a bad opinion of Obama get called whiners and other insults by his supporters?

Why do people who like him get called sheep?

I think you can answer your own question. ;)

Oh yea the programs are programming them, that's why, silly me I forgot.

Seems like Jeff Rense was successful in some programming of his own. ;)

[BROOK]

This is all news to me, last I heard he massively expanded the feds power...
Actions speak louder then lies.
And the failing illuminati control the media and washington, so why would they need to use Rense as their outlet to xpose Obama? Why does everyone who has a bad opinion of Obama get called whiners and other insults by his supporters? Oh yea the programs are programming them, that's why, silly me I forgot.
Why does everyone keep calling Obama black when he's half white? At least according to the official story.
Why does his name vibrate Barack (iraq), Hussein (explaination not needed), Obama (Osama)? Is it by pure chance? Have you researched into that?

No one even knew of the guy 18 months ago, amazing how easy it has become for the ptw. :mfr_lol:

As for Cheney, nothing has happened to him and nothing new came out that everyone didn't already know.
Okay..now I gotta agree with that...NOT even a slap on the hand did that scumbag Cheney get :mad3: And I simply fume that he is not in jail :wall:

[Phtha]

Why do people who like him get called sheep?

I think you can answer your own question. ;)



Seems like Jeff Rense was successful in some programming of his own. ;)

Indeed the truth is never on the left nor the right but somewhere in the center that creates opposites. But that does not answer the question of why the illuminati use rense as there outlet to oust obama lol.

[Humble Janitor]

The same reason they use Alex Jones and the like?

Because those guys want to feel important and want something in exchange for being "messengers" of the illuminati?

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

just a thought here, when alex jones and rense ect say oh hes a puppet (obama) he has no real power, then in the next breath/article they say obama is doing this and obama is doing that.. hes either a puppet of he isnt.

the fed needs dismantling to end its corrupt world power, this is happening along with dismantling the (in bed with the illuminati) corporations.

this could also be ploy to destroy the dollar to bring in the world currencie, if the fed goes and everyone moves to imf special drawing rights then we know its all a fraud and its all to help to get the nwo in.

there does seem to be a lot of double standards,slack reporting and confusion in these two camps recently. i still visit these sites but as always take the info with a pinch of salt..

[Anchor]

Okay..now I gotta agree with that...NOT even a slap on the hand did that scumbag Cheney get

Agree, but have patience. We have no idea how this has affected the man already. This all happens according to a timetable. BROOK, if you want him in jail - start doing that manifesting thing. You have had a few demo's of its efficacy already :)

Really - this is where the rubber hits the road. You want something you think is right and just, then... make it so. If you want it, do it, make it so. Visualize it already happened, the world you now live in is one with the villains in jail... and free from tyranny.

Do it from the heart, do it with unconditional love, do it for the highest and best good of all and it will be a fine and glorious manifestation of your true divine power. You ARE the love, you ARE the light, you ARE the one infinite creator.

One in the light with you.

A..

[Steve_A]

Hi pineal-pilot-in merkabah,

When Jones and Rense say that Obama is a puppet, it's because they beleive, as do many people including Senators, that there are powers that are higher than government, and it's these powers that have their agenda and want the elected government to carry out what is necessary for this agenda to be fulfilled.

When they say that Obama is doing this and that, they're explaining what is going on in the public eye and are keeping us up to date on more immediate occurances. For example, if the 'shadow government' (from the previous paragraph) has decided that half the population should die, then the President, the guy who was elected has to find a justifiable reason for this to happen, like declaring war, or something.

So look at it like the 'shadow government' keeps an general agenda and the 'puppet' has to do things to make that agenda happen.

This link to a video, which has been shown in these forums many times before will show you what I mean better:

YouTube - Stephen Harper copies Australian Prime Minister John Howard

Best regards,

Steve



just a thought here, when alex jones and rense ect say oh hes a puppet (obama) he has no real power, then in the next breath/article they say obama is doing this and obama is doing that.. hes either a puppet of he isnt.

the fed needs dismantling to end its corrupt world power, this is happening along with dismantling the (in bed with the illuminati) corporations.

this could also be ploy to destroy the dollar to bring in the world currencie, if the fed goes and everyone moves to imf special drawing rights then we know its all a fraud and its all to help to get the nwo in.

there does seem to be a lot of double standards,slack reporting and confusion in these two camps recently. i still visit these sites but as always take the info with a pinch of salt..

[Anchor]

This link to a video, which has been shown in these forums many times before will show you what I mean better:

That is a brilliant video and truly does show two "puppet" leaders in action; neither of whom are Barack Hussein Obama II :)

On October 2, 2002, the day President Bush and Congress agreed on the joint resolution authorizing the Iraq War, Obama addressed the first high-profile Chicago anti-Iraq War rally, and spoke out against the war. He addressed another anti-war rally in March 2003 and told the crowd that "it's not too late" to stop the war.

A..

[Northern Boy]

Originally Posted by wikipedia
On October 2, 2002, the day President Bush and Congress agreed on the joint resolution authorizing the Iraq War, Obama addressed the first high-profile Chicago anti-Iraq War rally, and spoke out against the war. He addressed another anti-war rally in March 2003 and told the crowd that "it's not too late" to stop the war.

You can not use this to judge how a Barack has /is dealing with the war issue the only thing having merit here in regards to the war is how he voted . What people need to see is the voting record of Obama how did he vote on all the HR resolutions that Bush put forth if he voted Nay or Ya that will speak volumes as a man is judged by his actions. If he voted for the War and any war related matters means more then how he spoke of it. Actions behind words carry more meaning then simply words alone

[Anchor]

What people need to see is the voting record of Obama how did he vote on all the HR resolutions that Bush put forth if he voted Nay or Ya that will speak volumes as a man is judged by his actions. If he voted for the War and any war related matters means more then how he spoke of it. Actions behind words carry more meaning then simply words alone

How does one find out? Is it possible to see that record? I'd be interested.

[Lorien]

Did anyone happen to see that even though there is a push to audit the Fed, that part of Obama's new economic plan is to give the Federal Reserve even MORE regulatory power over banks and such? It makes me sick that more people aren't up in arms over stuff like this.

Article in the Washinton Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/16/plan-gives-fed-sweeping-power-over-companies/?feat=home_headlines)

[Phtha]

Some sincere questions for Obama fans, as at the moment I am quite surprised to see support for him here. Maybe I'm missing something...

Who do you think controls the mainstream media outlets?
It's seems obvious to me that whoever controls the media are quite malevolent in nature.
If Illuminati didn't want Obama in then why do they portray him as a savior at every opportunity?
Where is this so called Illuminati resistence that Obama faces? I see none.
Why did the Illuminati support his campaign as opposed to someone like Ron Paul who was labeled a quack through out the ridings by the mainstream?

Lorien is right, Obama just gave dictorial powers to the fed... why?
Here's what Obama did:
YouTube - Ron Paul on MSNBC talking about Obama's New Regulatory Reforms (6/18/09)

What good has Obama done so far?
Please name one thing, and I'm talking actions not words.

Why does Obama and his top environmental scientist want to paint the world white to stop 'global warming' rather then release suppressed technology?
http://green.yahoo.com/news/afp/20090526/sc_afp/climatewarmingusbritainchu.htm

Why did Obama lie about bringing troops home from the genocide in iraq? Why is has he extended the war there indefinately and sent yet more troops?

[sleepingnomore]

"True power never allows itself to be confronted directly and never permits itself to be seen. That which appears to be the power is the distraction. When confronted by that which seems powerful, look to either side and even behind you, for there in those places you shall find the real power."

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/hopigrey.html

[Sarahmay]

Why do people who like him get called sheep?

I think you can answer your own question. ;)



Seems like Jeff Rense was successful in some programming of his own. ;)

Oh so true, plenty of sheep following Rense, Jones, Icke and Paul.

[lemon_sky88]

The Federal Reserve, already arguably the most powerful agency in the U.S. government, will get sweeping new authority to regulate any company whose failure could endanger the U.S. economy and markets under the Obama administration's regulatory overhaul plan.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/16/plan-gives-fed-sweeping-power-over-companies/?feat=home_headlines

Hmmmmmmm Can you say zeitgeist?

To shed light upon the darkness. You must first aknowledge darknesses occupancy. It is the ballence of life you cannot only look at one half. Smoke screens are effective on people who do.

[lemon_sky88]

Just to add Ron Paul Is the man. Id like to know how much he knows about alieans.

[BROOK]

Agree, but have patience. We have no idea how this has affected the man already. This all happens according to a timetable. BROOK, if you want him in jail - start doing that manifesting thing. You have had a few demo's of its efficacy already :)

Really - this is where the rubber hits the road. You want something you think is right and just, then... make it so. If you want it, do it, make it so. Visualize it already happened, the world you now live in is one with the villains in jail... and free from tyranny.

Do it from the heart, do it with unconditional love, do it for the highest and best good of all and it will be a fine and glorious manifestation of your true divine power. You ARE the love, you ARE the light, you ARE the one infinite creator.

One in the light with you.

A..

I'll get right on it :thumb_yello: On Dick Cheney in Jail visualization coming up :thumb_yello: But remember I need all you guys to help here too :wub2:

Oh yeah...lets give him some room mates as well. The Bush clan is welcome there :lmfao:

Oh yeah...one more thing...I do this with the highest unconditional love for mankind...we need to love them while their in the pokey :lol3:

[mntruthseeker]

Its really sad how many get so upset over this posting.

Why is it that one peson can come in here and complaint about anybody but you bring obama's name up and we are suddenly "bad" and if it casuses people to move out of the room, that is sad.......We are all entitled to our own opinions and if that is not being happy with obama..............we should be able to express that thought without worrying if someone might stay or not.

I have been a member here for a very long time and have always spent time reading but not always posting.

I find it ridiculous to have to worry about who or what I mention.

So Obama lying to us does not make me feel safe............because he called out cheney. Oh what a surprise. This is their typical game in the white house, it's been done for years. I dont like any of it.

Your right, lets make obama our puppet. But he is a force within the same force that cheney, bush and the rest belong to. So if we truly intent to win this battle, we need to open our eyes.

Its not about race, religion, party lines.............its about the planet earth and our lives. We need to see the truth for what it is.

So I will not patronize anyone just to keep someone happy.........I am tired of pacifying. I am being real and this post is important and not meant to be hurtful of anyones feelings...............It is a fact and we need to deal with it.

If I hurt someones feelings, then I'm sorry but I will not apologize for my true feelings.

I researched alot on Obama because I wanted to know who and what he stood for. My thoughts are not construted by others...........they are my own

[BROOK]

No one is wanting an apology....you say what you want...there are many who feel the same as you.

That is what this forum is for...expressing yourself :thumb_yello: and getting to the truth...because the truth will set you free :wub2:

[mntruthseeker]

Thank you Brook

[BROOK]

Thank you Brook

:thumb_yello:

Now visualize Dick Cheney in Jail with love...like I said in the post above yours :thumb_yello: :naughty:

[Humble Janitor]

Just to add Ron Paul Is the man. Id like to know how much he knows about alieans.

I think he's a Reptilian.

(Just kidding! ;))

[BROOK]

I think he's a Reptilian.

(Just kidding! ;))

Humble you crack me up :lmfao:
You are an example of just what I said a couple of posts above this...no one on this forum speaks his mind and his truth as much as you do :thumb_yello:

[Northern Boy]

How does one find out? Is it possible to see that record? I'd be interested.

Go here Anchor it shows that although being present for many votes he abstains from voting period on many votes in the house.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/votes/

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

"True power never allows itself to be confronted directly and never permits itself to be seen. That which appears to be the power is the distraction. When confronted by that which seems powerful, look to either side and even behind you, for there in those places you shall find the real power."

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/hopigrey.html

:thumb_yello:

[Phtha]

Well said, my thoughts as well.

The Obama detractors are just posting facts about what Obama has done since he was elected, along with evidence that may or may not be true. Its not like we're against Obama just because we want to be...
I'd love it if Obama or anyone in the white house would speak and act with truth and good intentions... but I don't fool myself.

Since the Obama supporters have no facts of their own to prove even one good thing Obama has done they have to resort to insults, the only insults in this thread have come from Obama supporters. They have no facts to prove Obamas good intentions because none exist.

It's the same thing the media does against truthers. The ptw know if it came to facts they would lose so instead they just call the truthers crazy terrorists and what have you.

How many hours of tele-zion a day do you Obama supporters watch? :tongue2:


Its really sad how many get so upset over this posting.

Why is it that one peson can come in here and complaint about anybody but you bring obama's name up and we are suddenly "bad" and if it casuses people to move out of the room, that is sad.......We are all entitled to our own opinions and if that is not being happy with obama..............we should be able to express that thought without worrying if someone might stay or not.

I have been a member here for a very long time and have always spent time reading but not always posting.

I find it ridiculous to have to worry about who or what I mention.

So Obama lying to us does not make me feel safe............because he called out cheney. Oh what a surprise. This is their typical game in the white house, it's been done for years. I dont like any of it.

Your right, lets make obama our puppet. But he is a force within the same force that cheney, bush and the rest belong to. So if we truly intent to win this battle, we need to open our eyes.

Its not about race, religion, party lines.............its about the planet earth and our lives. We need to see the truth for what it is.

So I will not patronize anyone just to keep someone happy.........I am tired of pacifying. I am being real and this post is important and not meant to be hurtful of anyones feelings...............It is a fact and we need to deal with it.

If I hurt someones feelings, then I'm sorry but I will not apologize for my true feelings.

I researched alot on Obama because I wanted to know who and what he stood for. My thoughts are not construted by others...........they are my own

[Humble Janitor]

Care to point out the insults? I didn't see any.

Do yourself a favor though and stop being so cynical.

[mntruthseeker]

Well all of this is very interesting and I find myself taking in the words on this particular post and I really have to chastise myself for even giving credence to what the thread was based on.

It stated that Obama is a fraud. Well, who then can tell me with all honestly that him running for president based on a lie makes him so wonderful?

Is Rense, Jones, Icke,Wilcox, Collier,Tsarsion,Arizona Wilder etc.....Illuminati's? Is Rotshchild?
So many astraunauts, nasa employees, movie stars, presidents, popes, are illuminati's and paid to get the message out to us and we listen and we know and are all given the opportunity to believe what we want.

I seen an article not too long ago regarding a channelled message of a dead illuminati........No matter what you may think, the x-illuminati's were here to do a job that they said they could do. They knew they would be hated and said............they could do this.

Can they be reformed? Yes, I like to beleive so.

Is it Obama that is forcing the Illuminati bankers to tumble and fall. I like to say NO, it is people like Rense, Jones, Ron Paul (and we all like him but do he says pretty much the same as Rense and Jones, if you really pay attention)

The United States of America is nothing more than a British Colony. The district of Columbia do not have to follow the constitution of the United States..............big joke, They do not get to vote in our elections. They do not have to pay taxes. Why do you think that is?

I fimly believe that the District of Columbia, Vatican and London are government by the Reptilians race under Satan.

People break away and try to get the word to us and they are killed.......so then I ask myself, why can Rense, Jones, Icke, Ron Paul and so many others get away with it? Are they all Illuminati puppets? Maybe but dont try and think if they are that Obama is excused. He is not the "second comming" as so many people believe he is. Not even close. He has been groomed for this job for years. The truth will be exposed but just like anyone else before him, he will be untouchable. If he was actually going to help us, he would be dead by now.

He is giving more power to the Federal Reserves............not even a government facility...and deffinately not working for us, the people of the USA.................I will not give him any credit for disclosing any part of their downfall. We the people take credit for believing it will happen. I believe in Benjamin Fulford (another x illuminati) but at least he is doing something.

He is not ending the war............what a joke, he sent more troops. He is extending his so called Americorp to our young men and women. Just like Hitler......

So............Please tell me what I can thank Obama for? I would like to know.

I say thank you for making me stronger Obama and because of my distrust of you, I found the answer to what is going on in this world. Until you came into the picture, I was fool enough to believe that being a Democrat was wonderful and my love for the Clintons was blindly so, .............They are illuminati...............So thank you for opening my eyes because I investigated and found people on the internet that were willing to print their views.

Thank you David Icke, Jeff Rense, Larry Sinclair,Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Oathkeepers, IVAW,and thank you for this forumn and all their interviews.

[BROOK]

He is giving more power to the Federal Reserves............not even a government facility...and deffinately not working for us, the people of the USA.................I will not give him any credit for disclosing any part of their downfall. We the people take credit for believing it will happen.


All true...:sad:

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

we don't need anyone to tell us how to live and what to believe.Our soul does a great job of that if we listen to it! But the system makes us polarize to ego.I know its hard to see, but if government would just go away, along with the police, the health care system, education institutions, and the whole 9 yards, we the human race would be so much more productive, peaceful, educated, and rich with abundance. The whole system is made to produce scarcity and to make us believe we need these laws for protection while at the same time forcing us into violence through poverty and media trickery, among other things.

It's all a sham. Rise above it consciously so you can see the whole picture, and you can't deny it! Stop looking for help in Washington, cuz it ain't coming from there, it never was and it never will be ....

this really is the point. Its a tough pill to swallow, but it isn't about sides anymore, this system is rotten to the core...lets pull our fingers out of the cracks and let this damn dam go...

[sleepingnomore]

Originally Posted by Phtha
we don't need anyone to tell us how to live and what to believe.Our soul does a great job of that if we listen to it! But the system makes us polarize to ego.I know its hard to see, but if government would just go away, along with the police, the health care system, education institutions, and the whole 9 yards, we the human race would be so much more productive, peaceful, educated, and rich with abundance. The whole system is made to produce scarcity and to make us believe we need these laws for protection while at the same time forcing us into violence through poverty and media trickery, among other things.

It's all a sham. Rise above it consciously so you can see the whole picture, and you can't deny it! Stop looking for help in Washington, cuz it ain't coming from there, it never was and it never will be ....

I agree with this in theory, but the reality is that private industry controls all these factions. How do you propose we do away with them?

[mntruthseeker]

Some say get out and fight and we can see in the past that this has been tried...........some say pray and meditate and we can see in the past that this has been tried.

I seriously thing together it will work. We will bring peace into our world, we are suppose to have the 1000 years of peace and I'm ready for it

I know together we will do this. We will make it work and if that means our issues have to be put aside and work together. It is about the human race and it's worth fighting for.

So the news on the internet is necessary and we must listen with our souls and go from there. Just like you say.

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

[B] How do you propose we do away with them?

Stop giving them your attention. Passive Non-Compliance. Ignore them. Get enough people to ignore them and what can they do? Imagine the march in London a couple months ago... if instead of everyone marching on Parliament if all those people decided NOT to pay their taxes this year. Or show up for court dates. No violence, just passive non-compliance. They can't control us without US believing they can. If you are against them, you validate them. If you play on THEIR chessboard, you validate them.

[Anchor]

Here is an alternative perspective:


LOTS OF THINGS TO REPORT IN WORLD EVENTS

I find it unfortunate how many people are still being taken in by the virulently negative material in the conspiracy media. For the record, I do not consider Obama a saint nor a savior. I consider him the first President since Kennedy who is actually doing his job and trying to make things better for our planet.

As I’ve said before, the conspiracy media is saturated with propaganda to an unheard-of extreme. I have undeniable proof of this which I have not yet released, saving it for the right time, but I have decided that I will do so within a very short timeframe after returning from Canada — not more than two weeks.

This proof shows how it’s done, the enormous money being spent on it, what they write, who does it, and includes a whistleblower statement from someone who was actually hired on one of these jobs during the election. It is shocking.

LIKE A RELIGION

Unfortunately, the hate is so thick in the Internet world that it has become like a religion. Some of the followers are becoming violent and it may be inevitable that Obama will be assassinated.

I certainly hope not, but no one can guarantee anything at this point, given the sheer number of people who want it, including all the old guard whom are being attacked and dismantled by the new administration.

The points I bring up, which require reading through multiple past entries of David’s Blog to understand, are ignored or brushed aside by almost every critic who comes to us.

Almost everyone who writes me and criticizes the administration brings up the exact same arguments. It’s largely an emotional decision and no one can really argue or dispute the facts I include — they must simply be ignored or diverted back to the same old arguments. I’ve already given many more pieces of data that show a side completely counter to those arguments.

OBAMA’S ADMINISTRATION IS VERY FAR FROM PERFECT

This is far from a perfect situation. The old guard still infects the system. It is far from over and simple fear and threats have undoubtedly stopped certain things from happening as fast as they otherwise would.

You cannot attack this situation with a ‘wish list’ of every change you want to see and then get upset when many of them have not happened yet. The scope of change that must occur is enormous, and will take time to complete even under the best of circumstances. Nor is it my job to address people’s individual letters of attack.

I am nonetheless shocked to see how the entire conspiracy media has completely condemned this administration, thanks to the propaganda they read as gospel truth, and must increasingly ignore and overlook very reliable data to maintain their opinions.

How do you get someone who hates that deeply to open their mind? Unfortunately, you often don’t. Personally and professionally I will continue sharing what I see and feel, but I do not feel responsible to attempt to convince the many who do not want to be convinced, and therefore do not choose to see an alternative perspective.

The degree of propaganda in the alternative conspiracy media is extremely severe. People who think they are very smart, and right on the cutting edge, are getting their information straight from the Pentagon and the NSA, and the leaders of this movement aren’t even aware of it. In time we will see the humor and tragedy in all of this.

They key, of course, is that hate begets hate. You don’t paint people in black-and-white portraits. No one is truly a good person or truly a bad person. No situation is All Bad nor All Good. We grow in steps. This administration is taking us many steps forward.

The majority of people who ARE inside these negative groups actively want to get out and turn a new leaf. Yet the hatred has risen to such an extreme that if anyone dared try to get out, and do the right thing for humanity, they would be killed. I consider this to be pathetic and tragic to an extreme.

DISENGAGING FROM CONSPIRACY MEDIA

I have basically disengaged from the conspiracy media. I do not want, nor need, to read so many people who all adopt the same sarcastic, victimized, hopeless, doom-and-gloom, mad-as-hell viewpoint. I do not need to feel like I’m the member of some elite group that has gotten that way by knowing who to hate. Or thinking they know.

I now find that the best data is coming in from sources like Huffington Post and Digg.com. There you have people who still have an objective view because they are not inundating themselves with the propaganda-infected conspiracy media.

There you actually read facts that are not simply the hand-picked choices that focus on the negative, using ‘psychic driving’ to repeat the same lies and slanderous accusations until they become Truths in the reader’s mind.

SAYING ONE THING, MEANING ANOTHER… ON PURPOSE

Another important thing to realize is that Obama’s people are playing a political field that is very delicate and complex. It is increasingly obvious that they must mobilize sufficient public intensity to build up to changes that they cannot directly suggest on their own.

Hence, statements will be made that are obviously false, in the hopes that enough people who know the truth will get ****** off and mobilize to do something about it. A recent example is when Obama said "Al-Queda killed 3000 people on 9/11" in his address to the Muslim world.

If enough people KNOW it’s not true, then they get upset, create an uprising, and the truth comes out. That’s how the game MUST be played. Otherwise you will be eaten alive by the opposition. Look at the ridiculous attempts of Sarah Palin to try to take down David Letterman, one of the great American comics, over a single joke that was in poor taste.

Don’t forget that Obama met with two 9/11 widows in private. You can bet that the rooms in the White House are tapped, and the opposition recorded and documented whatever they discussed.

It’s very likely that they were planning on re-opening 9/11 hearings and bringing out undeniable evidence that it was not simply Muslim terrorists. These two women took a plane flight together a week later and the plane then went down under very suspicious circumstances. Past entries of David’s Blog made the case convincingly.

Air France was a similar ‘hit,’ it would seem, and I will spell out exactly who appears to have done it and why. It appears to be a direct hit against France by the British Illuminati, in response to the ‘snub’ of Queen Elizabeth from attending D-Day festivities. The bright flash of light that was reported is consistent with technology that can destroy electronics.

[Phtha]

So according to wilcock anyone who disagrees with Obama is doom and gloom and sees no hope for the future? hmmm for the record I see nothing but peace on the horizon, I just don't see it coming from Washington...

Wilcock also just clumpled the whole alternative media scene into one pile in this article. I guess that means Wilcock himself is also doom and gloom... but apparentely thinks he is the only alternate sources who is on target? I get alarm bells anytime anyone starts down this road. Whats more is he also clumped the majority of us in the same pile if we don't agree with him...

Sorry just don't buy it. Wilcock made some good points though. To many people are also looking to Alex, and Wilcock, and others as the savior and blindly believe anything they say as well. But from what I've seen many people are well aware that both sides do there fair share of fear mongering.

Alex, Wilcock, Rense, and all other sources have a part to play and all have done much good as well.

IMO Wilcock and others are playing the old divide and conquer routine, unwittingly maybe?
We cannot be conquered unless we are divided. This goes for the alternative truth movement as well. There is a reason why pretty much every alternative source is pitted against each other.... step way back and take a good look.

And HJ you don't know me so please don't insult me just because my opinion is different then your own... :thumbdown:
I'm just sharing my opinion and not trying to spark your anger.

[Phtha]

Exactly. Fighting and even protesting against them is still adding energy to the effects not the causes. And when you get down to the bottom of it, it seems to me the cause is the one that stares back at you in a mirror.

Stop giving them your attention. Passive Non-Compliance. Ignore them. Get enough people to ignore them and what can they do? Imagine the march in London a couple months ago... if instead of everyone marching on Parliament if all those people decided NOT to pay their taxes this year. Or show up for court dates. No violence, just passive non-compliance. They can't control us without US believing they can. If you are against them, you validate them. If you play on THEIR chessboard, you validate them.

[mntruthseeker]

So according to wilcock anyone who disagrees with Obama is doom and gloom and sees no hope for the future? hmmm for the record I see nothing but peace on the horizon, I just don't see it coming from Washington...

Wilcock also just clumpled the whole alternative media scene into one pile in this article. I guess that means Wilcock himself is also doom and gloom... but apparentely thinks he is the only alternate sources who is on target? I get alarm bells anytime anyone starts down this road. Whats more is he also clumped the majority of us in the same pile if we don't agree with him...

Sorry just don't buy it. Wilcock made some good points though. To many people are also looking to Alex, and Wilcock, and others as the savior and blindly believe anything they say as well. But from what I've seen many people are well aware that both sides do there fair share of fear mongering.


Thank you for this. I totally agree with much of what you say. Wilcock said a long time ago how he felt about Obama and he will not back off his sentiments which is fine. So be it. It doesn't prove any body else can not. I for one have.

I also say that from all that I am learning and alot to people in this room and some inner thoughts, that we all do have a role and yes, many are doing just that. They are fullfilling their path what ever it may be.



Alex, Wilcock, Rense, and all other sources have a part to play and all have done much good as well.

IMO Wilcock and others are playing the old divide and conquer routine, unwittingly maybe?
We cannot be conquered unless we are divided. This goes for the alternative truth movement as well. There is a reason why pretty much every alternative source is pitted against each other.... step way back and take a good look.

And HJ you don't know me so please don't insult me just because my opinion is different then your own... :thumbdown:
I'm just sharing my opinion and not trying to spark your anger.

Thank you for sharing that opinion. It says alot. I too enjoy being heard without worrying about the anger it may spark. David Wilcox was all for Obama and said right from the start Obama is the "one" so he would say all of this. He reminds me of my husband who thinks he knows it all too.

We shall see

I like to think I'm right too but I am not all the time so I wont go there

I will not let it bother me if people disagree with me but I sure do not want to step on any toes either. It is something that I try hard to avoid.

[Carol]

What does Obama's citizenship have to do with his current job performance?

Someone care to tell me?

Otherwise, it's hard to take this place seriously sometimes with threads like this. I read about spreading love and positivity and also read posts clearly written out of hatred or negativity. Which is it? What is the purpose of this place nowadays?

I have a friend who told me about Camelot. We used to discuss it. He wont' come around anymore because of the attitude towards Obama. That's one less person out of many that could be tuning in.

It would make more sense to present a neutral opinion on ALL world leaders. None are perfect but please, don't make every single post/thread an opportunity to drag them through the mud, again and again.

Obama was born in South Africa and I personally heard his grandmother say so on a tape with the other kids in the background telling her to keep quiet. Any person born outside of the US is not eligible to run for presidency. It is as simple as that. Just as the Diebold machines illegally got Bush elected both times... other parties falsified data so Obama could become the President of the United States. It is all a fraud. His Hawaii Birth Certificate was also tampered with as it was originally his sisters.

Take this the next step. Since his being in office is illegal to begin with - that would make any policies or documents he signs invalid as well if this were ever to be taken to a body that would actually enforce the law. As to why he is there? The timeline got altered. Hilary's timeline as President I read was a guaranteed nuke attack upon the US. Who knows what is going on now. From what I gathered from Philip Corso Jr, Col Corso's son - time travel happens all the time and the timeline is being altered all the time... only not as frequently as it has in the past. Some of us are old enough to remember what really happened as compared to the info being presented in this new timeline.

Also, future trends are much more difficult to gage due to who hops in and alters potential futures. This in and of itself is another whole story however, Obama is indeed a fraud as he really was born in South Africa and not in the US.

[Seashore]

This is part of what makes these forums a hostile place for those that don't share (what appears to be) a majority opinion of hate/hostility towards Obama.

Speaking for myself only, this forum is a place for me to reach out to others in an attempt to do my small part to try to save my country. It is impossible to do so without facing facts about what is going on with the Federal government. Hate and hostility has nothing to do with facing facts.

The situation we’re in is that one of the reasons so many people are unaware of the crisis we face is that they are duped by the programming techniques that we are subjected to.

The issue of Obama’s citizenship is one that relates to the deception practiced by the handlers who put him in office.

This is what we’re dealing with across the board: deception on a massive scale. And if we don’t wise up to it, we’re going to be ushered into the New World Order.

[Anchor]

Thank you David Icke, Jeff Rense, Larry Sinclair,Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Oathkeepers, IVAW,and thank you for this forumn and all their interviews.

And thank you for doing what you do as well. I never meant any harm in any of my comments, and the earlier one ("whining") I did make that was badly judged and I edited. I am sorry about that.

He is giving more power to the Federal Reserves............not even a government facility...and deffinately not working for us, the people of the USA.................I will not give him any credit for disclosing any part of their downfall.

In the final analysis what matters above what Obama is or is not, it is where we can go from here. The bigger picture. Yes I maintain he is of light, but that's ok its only my opinion, and in any case it is too soon for that to be evident beyond doubt - he cannot come out yet, he would be killed.

Instead he has to play a nasty game. I hope he can keep tilting the odds towards the light - and if he can then he is going to massively change the way we live our lives through the next two or three years. For example: The FED is going to be dead soon - in all liklihood the US dollar will fail. So what if Obama gives the FED more powers. It makes no difference. Big picture thinking by a clever and illumined mind.

What matters are that people are engaging in critical thinking and not swallowing the BS that is peddled both on the common media and increasingly on the underground "conspiracy media". I think Wilcock is right. The psyops teams have found a way to defocus the minds of a huge set of those who are starting to search outside the mainstream media for answers.

So beyond even the importance of critical thinking, I would urge people to look not at what is written on your computer screens but take a long hard look at the information through the lens of your own hearts. I expect that none of here have that down to perfection yet, and so it is still likely that many of us will see subtle differences. We will still have our different points of view.

When I look through mine I see the daybreak is not to far away, and there is a glorious enlightened future for many of us on the horizon - and I strongly believe with my heart that Obama - one way or another - is a big factor in this. I don't care about anything else. I would prefer it if the doubts over his eligibility could be cleared up and all the faked evidence, fake tapes, fake birth-certs etc could be destroyed - but to me it doesn't matter - the game is in play right now. If Obama is of the light, then he deserves my support, and on that single condition alone he will get it.

I was reading Charlie Chaplin's "Great Dictator" speech again today and I was struck by this passage which apparently follows it in the film.

Hannah, can you hear me? Wherever you are, look up Hannah. The clouds are lifting! The sun is breaking through! We are coming out of the darkness into the light. We are coming into a new world - a kindlier world, where men will rise above their hate, their greed and their brutality. Look up, Hannah! The soul of man has been given wings and at last he is beginning to fly. He is flying into the rainbow - into the light of hope, into the future, the glorious future that belongs to you, to me, and to all of us. Look up, Hannah... look up!"

That is what we are facing soon. The sun is breaking through, but a lot of people can't see it yet and that is very sad. Each of us have the light of this new era within us. The light pours in and to the extent you let it, is powering your awaking forward at blistering speeds.

Many don't get it. They will phase out of this existence. Each makes the choice.

I also believe that everyone here does or will get it soon - and it is my pleasure to share the ride with you into the light of the coming new paradigm that will define our lives going forward.

A..

[Seashore]

...Yes I maintain he is of light... in any case it is too soon for that to be evident beyond doubt - he cannot come out yet, he would be killed...



Please elaborate. Your opinion is that he cannot come out now, but he could come out later?

Do you believe he sought the office of the Presidency because he is of the light?

[Anchor]

Please elaborate. Your opinion is that he cannot come out now, but he could come out later?

Ok, I'll try. Clearly, Obama is surrounded by enemies. They are doing as they always did, trying to push their long time agenda through him. They wanted McCain, but that all went wrong because McCain was stupid and blew it with the whole Sarah Palin thing. They have surrounded him with the baddest of the bad. Their ability to fix the election has waned with the effect of Obama's campaign. Obama makes it. So here he is, POTUS, but he cannot resist all they do, he has to work within the opportunities available to him. As soon as he finds his chances he can pick at the Gordian Knot spun around him. What he did for Cheney was a good example. He is a clever man and will play the long game. This annoys all those looking for a quick fix.

Do you believe he sought the office of the Presidency because he is of the light?

Yes, furthermore, I think he is a full-on highly evolved wanderer - one of the ground crew "special forces" if you like, but I don't know if he is consciously awakened to that fact at this time. He has huge power, I can hear it in his words and any person who makes it into high office is usually somewhat evolved (true for both sides !). He is clearly inner directed.

A..

[Phtha]

I find your views interesting to think about, they certainly couldn't be any more opposite to my beliefs. :thumb_yello:

I believe the spiritually evolved, at least those of the right hand path, do not seek positions that give power over others. This is why the political arena and other positions of power are chalk full of ego, and why I have no faith in Washington. I think these people in so called "high places" are the biggest slaves of all. I also don't consider Obama or anyone else on this planet better or worse then myself. I'm learning to give just as much credence to a random forum poster as I do any authoritative figure, because truth can be found locked within the words and not the source. We all have 'huge power', we just need to use it rather then give it away.
It takes a leap of faith in many circumstances to accept the fact that we don't need govern-ments or anything they offer.
Thanks politicians for all you have tried to do! But I can do it just fine on my own thanks. :lmfao:



Yes, furthermore, I think he is a full-on highly evolved wanderer - one of the ground crew "special forces" if you like, but I don't know if he is consciously awakened to that fact at this time. He has huge power, I can hear it in his words and any person who makes it into high office is usually somewhat evolved (true for both sides !). He is clearly inner directed.

A..

[14 Chakras]

"I believe the spiritually evolved, at least those of the right hand path, do not seek positions that give power over others. This is why the political arena and other positions of power are chalk full of ego, and why I have no faith in Washington."

Unfortunately, I agree. However, this is a big / massive part of the problem in the first place. Spiritually evolved people often avoid taking dominion over their planet, over their government. This is NOT a good thing. The void is filled by the most egotistical, the least spiritually evolved people to run the show. Those who sell out humanity for their own advancement.

What is required is NOT the abolition of government, anarchy is not the solution.

What is required is that the most spiritually evolved people, first: Go all the way and attain full enlightenment and second: Take dominion over the planet for the benefit and empowerment of all.

God is not going to fix this for any of us from outside of us, only from inside of us. So unless we step up to the plate and take back our world and take back our government, in a peaceful and wonderful way, then who will?

What is required is not abolition of government, what is required is enlightened leadership.

[tone3jaguar]

So how are things at the pentagon Waterman? Your fellow disinformation buddies in the cubicals next to you, how are they doing?

[Phtha]

Your right, if good people were in power then we certainly would have much more pleasant societies today , but the two just don't seem to fit togather. Maybe it could work, I have dwelled on it often and have not been able to come up with a workable system.

Anarchy however is nothing but a symbol of fear created to keep us enslaved. An-arch that must be crossed. I can only speak for myself, but if the govern-ment and all of its institutions did dissolve tomorrow, I wouldn't suddenly sport a huge green mohawk and start throwing televisions into windows. I can't think of one person I have ever met that would become criminaly insane just because man made laws don't exist. In fact criminals don't listen to laws anyways, laws only enslave the righteous.

We are all creative beings and don't need de-education institutions to learn, they hold us back by dumbing us down through mass suppression and blind acceptance to authority.

The people in power are doing nothing but dangling 'golden' carrots in front of our faces.... from cradle to grave mind... but we keep eating them, that's the problem... us.



"I believe the spiritually evolved, at least those of the right hand path, do not seek positions that give power over others. This is why the political arena and other positions of power are chalk full of ego, and why I have no faith in Washington."

Unfortunately, I agree. However, this is a big / massive part of the problem in the first place. Spiritually evolved people often avoid taking dominion over their planet, over their government. This is NOT a good thing. The void is filled by the most egotistical, the least spiritually evolved people to run the show. Those who sell out humanity for their own advancement.

What is required is NOT the abolition of government, anarchy is not the solution.

What is required is that the most spiritually evolved people, first: Go all the way and attain full enlightenment and second: Take dominion over the planet for the benefit and empowerment of all.

God is not going to fix this for any of us from outside of us, only from inside of us. So unless we step up to the plate and take back our world and take back our government, in a peaceful and wonderful way, then who will?

What is required is not abolition of government, what is required is enlightened leadership.

[Humble Janitor]

Obama was born in South Africa and I personally heard his grandmother say so on a tape with the other kids in the background telling her to keep quiet. Any person born outside of the US is not eligible to run for presidency. It is as simple as that. Just as the Diebold machines illegally got Bush elected both times... other parties falsified data so Obama could become the President of the United States. It is all a fraud. His Hawaii Birth Certificate was also tampered with as it was originally his sisters.

Take this the next step. Since his being in office is illegal to begin with - that would make any policies or documents he signs invalid as well if this were ever to be taken to a body that would actually enforce the law. As to why he is there? The timeline got altered. Hilary's timeline as President I read was a guaranteed nuke attack upon the US. Who knows what is going on now. From what I gathered from Philip Corso Jr, Col Corso's son - time travel happens all the time and the timeline is being altered all the time... only not as frequently as it has in the past. Some of us are old enough to remember what really happened as compared to the info being presented in this new timeline.

Also, future trends are much more difficult to gage due to who hops in and alters potential futures. This in and of itself is another whole story however, Obama is indeed a fraud as he really was born in South Africa and not in the US.

Arnold Schwarzenegger was born in Austria. Why isn't anyone making a deal out of that.

It's gotta be Obama's skin color that's drawing all this wasteful hatred.

[Lorien]

Arnold Schwarzenegger was born in Austria. Why isn't anyone making a deal out of that.

It's gotta be Obama's skin color that's drawing all this wasteful hatred.

So now your calling anyone who feels this way a racist? Lately your comments on the forum have been reverting to your old ways of bashing people and making rude comments. This is the most ignorant and ridiculous thing I have ever heard you say HJ, and I've had enough of it.

For your information, Arnold has been discussed over and over again in the media for years now. He is ore than welcome to be governor, or even a higher office, however, since he was born in Austria he CAN NOT run for president.

THAT is the issue here, and not any ones skin color. Do I or any one else here care he's black, NO. Do I agree with the fact that someone who was born elsewhere can't be president even though they earned their citizenship, No. The fact is how can we trust someone to run our country who LIED about where they were born just so they could get elected.

[Humble Janitor]

It couldn't be any more ignorant than the people parroting Rense/Jones/Hannity/etc.

That is all I have to say on this. I make no apologies for making a stand.

[14 Chakras]

Your right, if good people were in power then we certainly would have much more pleasant societies today , but the two just don't seem to fit together.

We are all creative beings and don't need de-education institutions to learn, they hold us back by dumbing us down through mass suppression and blind acceptance to authority.


I see the future as one with enlightened leadership rather than no leadership.

That being said, I completely agree that we do not need these elite companies and governments, they really just get in the way of the free market and of the power to the people. For example, we're operating under the illusion we need big banks and big government to take care of us, and really they just destroy the value of everything we create. We print more money and devalue our dollar to 'save' the companies and system that is destroying us. "Too big to fail" is something we've collectively agreed on, and it's a lie.

So yes, we don't need these guys or their crappy systems, which is more like a parasite than something helpful, but, the future will have enlightened, empowering governments, rather than no governments at all... and it will take the most spiritually evolved people to stand up and take dominion over their government and their planet rather than thinking leadership is only for the spiritually un-evolved... that's an illusion too.

Moving into some cave and meditating our whole lives, is not why we were born into north American society, we are here to be IN the world, just not of it.

Change that's is needed will come from us, not from outside of us, and unfortunately, not from media created sensation Obama!

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

Arnold Schwarzenegger was born in Austria. Why isn't anyone making a deal out of that.

It's gotta be Obama's skin color that's drawing all this wasteful hatred.

Now THATS just silly. I'm sure there are some ignorant folks out there who are basing their opinion on skin color, but I seriously doubt any of us on Avalon are THAT unconscious.

I for one, DO think that Obama has a lot of intellect, charisma, and good intentions. And maybe he is actually working toward dismantling the system. But that's not the point. Deferring your own personal responsibility by believing in anyone but yourself is really still begging to be lead, instead of leading your own life. Its an abdication of your responsibility as a human.

I say, fine... let's see what Obama does, but in the meantime, lets not focus on IS HE GOING TO SAVE US and sit back and HOPE that our new father figure will sort everything out and we can just sit back and pat ourselves on the back for having believed in him.

BE the change you wish to see in the world, not HOPE FOR the change you wish to see in the world.

[Jacqui D]

This is the latest view point made on the Freeman site, some interesting theories here i have to say;

Barackhenaten and Renaissance Tiye

http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo272/unicorn8753/th_obama-likenss-michelle-likeness.jpg (http://s383.photobucket.com/albums/oo272/unicorn8753/?action=view&current=obama-likenss-michelle-likeness.jpg)

“We will develop strict guidelines (for stem cell research), which we will rigorously enforce, because we cannot ever tolerate misuse or abuse,” Mr. Obama said. “And we will ensure that our government never opens the door to the use of cloning for human reproduction. It is dangerous, profoundly wrong, and has no place in our society, or any society.”
Full text of Obama's speech on Stem Cell Research

President Barack Obama looks amazingly like Akhenaten the father of monotheism. Michelle Obama looks amazingly like Akhenaten's mother, Queen Tiye. Akhenaten had two daughters by Nefertiti They look amazingly like Malia and Sasha. The code names of Renegade, Renaissance, Radiance and Rosebud correlate well with the ancient depiction of the Royal Family.

Are the First Family clones?
"Human genetic material, largely undamaged after 2,400 years, has been extracted from an Egyptian mummy and has been grown in the laboratory. One 2,400-yr-old mummy of a child was found to contain DNA that could be molecularly cloned in a plasmid vector. These analyses show that substantial pieces of mummy DNA can be cloned and that the DNA fragments seem to contain little or no modifications introduced postmortem."
New York Times
April 16, 1985

I have been showing off my art work of Barack Obama as Akhenaten to see what people think. Admittedly, most of my friends already see the world differently than your average citizen. Let's just say they already come with a conspiracy bent. My hope is to instill wonder in our world and to say that things just might be a little stranger than you thought.
I would show my friends this picture and say, "What do you think?" Without any other comment.
They would say, "Well, he does look a lot like Akhenaten."
My jaw would dangle just a bit.
I say, "OK, I understand that you do not know that this woman next to Barackhenaten is Akhenaten's mother, Queen Tiye."
"That's really her face?" They ask.
I say, "I have done nothing to alter their faces. I simply found a photo that was facing the right direction and their mouth was closed. I cut the face in half and super-imposed it on the ancient busts."
"That is amazing!"
"It gets even stranger." I say, "I found that Akhenaten had two daughters from Queen Nefertiti...
I wait for it.
"They do look like Akhenaten's children!"
"Notice in this ancient frieze of Akhenaten and Nefertiti with their two girls, what is the other most prominent features of this picture?" I ask.

http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo272/unicorn8753/th_akhnaton5.png (http://s383.photobucket.com/albums/oo272/unicorn8753/?action=view&current=akhnaton5.png)

"Didn't Akhenaten worship the sun god Aten?"
"Yes"
"Oh, and the flowers."
"Exactly. Do you know the code names the secret service gave the first family?"
"Isn't that a secret?"
"I guess it should be but, no, it was in the news. Their names are Renegade, Renaissance, Radiance, and Rosebud."
"Radiance and Rosebud?"
"Absolutely. Here look for yourself."
"Well, what do you think now?" I ask.
"Are there family connections?"

Come on, what are the odds that a woman that looks exactly like the mother of Akhenaten would marry a man who looks exactly like Akhenaten and have two children that look exactly like the offspring of Akhenaten and Nefertiti?
As a kid my mind was open to such possibilities. As I studied the pyramids and ancient astronauts, I knew mummification had a mysterious property that we in the, then, 20th century could not reproduce. Our new mummies decompose. The ancient Egyptian mummies did not. I knew this allowed for the retrieval of a viable cell for cloning and I pondered if there would be some day when "they" would bring back the Pharaohs. I was thinking of some Armageddon script when the dead would walk the Earth. What I never thought of was, the clones coming out as the first family of America!
"Today is a great day to live." They say.
"Amazing!"
There are definitely questions of Barack's origins.
"Mr. Obama is not a natural born citizen." What kind of riots or Constitutional erosion would occur if this is true? The revolution is manufactured.
We're there other clones like Barack?

YouTube - Barackhenaten



Music by MP Soundcraft
Noun: renegade ‘re-nu‘geyd
1. Someone who rebels and becomes an outlaw
2. A disloyal person who betrays or deserts his cause or religion or
political party or friend etc. "Christian turned Muslim," See also: disloyal
Type of: defector, deserter, dissent, protest, turncoat, resist, apostate

Noun: Renaissance
2. The revival of learning and culture
Adjective: renascent ri'na-sunt or ri'ney-sunt
• Rising again as to new life
• A second or new birth
• reincarnation, rebirth

Dr. Sam Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. Vaknin says that Obama's language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder.

Pathological narcissism is a pattern of thinking and behaving in adolescence and adulthood, which involves infatuation and obsession with one's self to the exclusion of others. It manifests in the chronic pursuit of personal gratification and attention (narcissistic supply), in social dominance and personal ambition, bragging, insensitivity to others, lack of empathy and/or excessive dependence on others to meet his/her responsibilities in daily living and thinking.

“If I had to name my greatest strength, I guess it would be my humility. Greatest weakness? It’s possible that I’m a little too awesome.”

- Barack Obama

What is this all about?
Listen now on Red Ice Creations

Every respectable monotheistic religion needs an adversary/satan and Akhenaten’s cult of Aten is no different. In ancient Egypt, this spirit of evil and destruction who dwelled in eternal darkness was known as, Apep. Apep commanded an army of demons that plagued mankind according to the ancient tradition.
Apep later became known as Apophis, patron of evil and darkness; the serpent.
My investigation of Obama began with his coupling of NASA with the DOD. The Columbia Endeavour for the Discovery of Atlantis is coming to a close and is being replaced by the Ares Space Program, Ares being the god of war.
China's successful test of an anti-satellite missile in January 2007 signaled a potential new arms race in space. Barack Obama does not support the stationing of any weapons in space. He believes the international community must address the issue of space weaponization head-on and enter into a serious dialogue with Russia, China and other nations to stop this slow slide into a new battlefield.
Few realize that we have a United States Space Force and that it is housed in Cheyenne Mountain with NORAD and the Missile Defense Shield. It was the shield that concerned me most when I made my film on HAARP. In this film, I highlighted a report of an asteroid that came over the HAARP facility as it was being tested as a meteor deflection shield. I considered, could they have the ability to hurl meteors at the planet? The perfect approach of the object over the HAARP antennae array suggested guidance. I knew this was something to document because of Wernher von Braun's "Enemy List" establishing asteroids as the next false-flag event.
It was no ordinary meteor that shot over the HAARP array. It came in with a sonic boom and was followed by an earthquake in Anchorage. The event of meteors with sonic booms has been increasing and the curious note is that each time the incoming object is unknown. There is a bright flash that turns night to day and then a sonic boom followed shortly by an earthquake. This happened in Tok Alaska on December 29th. There were more than 250 tremors in Yellowstone that same day. Robert Smith, a professor of geophysics at the University of Utah said of these tremors, "They're certainly not normal,"
It turns out that Obama’s election was heralded by a meteor coming in over Canada on November 20th. Some suggest this is a sign of Barack being the Anti-Christ. He is helped by Mabus after all. Did Obama thank Satan?
I see things a little differently, however. Not many people noticed the asteroid that nearly hit the planet last Monday, March 2nd. It came closer to Earth than the moon’s orbit. The space ball measured between 69 feet and 154 feet in diameter. The Planetary Society said that made it the same size as an asteroid that exploded over Siberia in 1908 and leveled more than 800 square miles of forest. The asteroid was only spotted two days before buzzing Earth. It is now being said that this asteroid threat should be solved "through broad international cooperation" within the framework of the United Nations. The meteor that is of concern comes from a group of Near Earth Objects known as Aten and the bringer of doom in this Group of Aten…Apophis.

http://www.freemantv.com/articles/barackhenaten.shtml



Watch The Obama Deception

Then Watch William Cooper

More to come!

[Humble Janitor]

Now THATS just silly. I'm sure there are some ignorant folks out there who are basing their opinion on skin color, but I seriously doubt any of us on Avalon are THAT unconscious.

I certainly hope this is the case. I was born to be controversial and again, I apologize for the 1,039th time.

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

I certainly hope this is the case. I was born to be controversial and again, I apologize for the 1,039th time.
No apology necessary, I understand you feel strongly.
But THIS is the important part of that post:

I for one, DO think that Obama has a lot of intellect, charisma, and good intentions. And maybe he is actually working toward dismantling the system. But that's not the point. Deferring your own personal responsibility by believing in anyone but yourself is really still begging to be lead, instead of leading your own life. Its an abdication of your responsibility as a human.

I say, fine... let's see what Obama does, but in the meantime, lets not focus on IS HE GOING TO SAVE US and sit back and HOPE that our new father figure will sort everything out and we can just sit back and pat ourselves on the back for having believed in him.

BE the change you wish to see in the world, not HOPE FOR the change you wish to see in the world.

[mntruthseeker]

Arnold Schwarzenegger was born in Austria. Why isn't anyone making a deal out of that.

It's gotta be Obama's skin color that's drawing all this wasteful hatred.




Oh you dont want to get me started on Schwarzenegger....another fine member of the Nazi party............

You know there are alot of actors and actresses that could be lumped into all this also.

If you want to see alot of their names.....go here. This woke me up and you will find while reading this.........alot of the children of these people were adopted out. Oh what a surprise that they tried to hide the identities of their own children..........all in an effort to hide their true names.


with that note............Obama was born in Africa but he was not given his true name at all. On his own website he had a birth certificate posted with his birthdate and on anothre site another version with a second date. WHY, because he was flown to Hawaaii the day after his birth to get a citizen out of this.......but his mother was not married and under 21 so it didnt hold water. Then he was adopted by his step dad but the man that was in his life while growing up is his real father and that isn't on the birth certificate either. Frank Davis Marshall is his father, was Obama's mentor and father

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/index.htm

check it out.........you will find many names that will or maybe not surprise you................

Please keep racial profiling out of this as I heard enough of that to choke the world.......that is an excuse and one that I find pitiful.

[peaceandlove]

I see the future as one with enlightened leadership rather than no leadership.

That being said, I completely agree that we do not need these elite companies and governments, they really just get in the way of the free market and of the power to the people. For example, we're operating under the illusion we need big banks and big government to take care of us, and really they just destroy the value of everything we create. We print more money and devalue our dollar to 'save' the companies and system that is destroying us. "Too big to fail" is something we've collectively agreed on, and it's a lie.

So yes, we don't need these guys or their crappy systems, which is more like a parasite than something helpful, but, the future will have enlightened, empowering governments, rather than no governments at all... and it will take the most spiritually evolved people to stand up and take dominion over their government and their planet rather than thinking leadership is only for the spiritually un-evolved... that's an illusion too.

Moving into some cave and meditating our whole lives, is not why we were born into north American society, we are here to be IN the world, just not of it.

Change that's is needed will come from us, not from outside of us, and unfortunately, not from media created sensation Obama!

:thumb_yello: :thumb_yello: :thumb_yello:

Leaders Don't Create Followers, They Create More Leaders. :thumb_yello:

Posted by Doug.Bach on 04/18/09 12:05 PM

Right now there are hundreds of local groups meeting all over the country to promote the principles of individual liberty, constitutional government, sound money, free markets, and a noninterventionist foreign policy through their grassroots efforts.

...this is a call to all members in all states to join this effort to help sow the seeds of freedom in every district and county in the country.

Article continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=16234&cpg=1#comments

http://i44.tinypic.com/34ys0a9.jpg


I was particularly impressed with this blog on the Campaign for Liberty website as I recalled immediately these sections of the Alex Collier transcript I posted at Project Camelot back in October 2008.


Alex Collier Contactee ... Message from the Andromedans
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4507

Alex Collier asks Vissaeus ~ Andromedan:
"What's going to happen to us? What is it that you want me to do?"

Vissaeus answers:
"This is how we foresee who you all become."

"Responsible freedom of self-determination becoming truly self-confident and free. To unconditionally be responsible for yourself without being coerced by some other authority." :wink2:


Vissaeus continues:
"The most necessary action for all of your Terraview races who are aware is to do whatever you are capable of to eliminate your degenerated societies."

CORRECTION: RECENTLY I LISTENED TO THE VIDEO AGAIN THAT I TRANSCRIBED THIS FROM AND NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE HE SAID ILLUMINATE AND NOT ELIMINATE. OOPS...I GUESS BOTH ACTIONS COULD BE EFFECTIVE IN DISARMING.

"Consciousness is your scale, it always provides balance, which does not ever fail. It speaks to those who listen and tells them what to do and what not to do. Not to one or all beings who choose to be evolved. The administrators of your government are responsible for professional order, but not your moral codes of order." :trumpet:

"The key to your happiness Terrans is in the hands of your own consciousness. We have perceived that you Terrans have arranged your lives not according to yourselves, but according to others."

"Your disappointments are due to this fact. This kind of conduct of yours is what is limiting your races. Each one of you is a free soul, a free consciousness. No one is the servant or slave of anyone else. Though the hidden ones will trick you to believe otherwise. Mutual respect is imperative for a healed planet and race. Our help is being extended to you if you so want it . Because of your genetic lineages to our races we would like to be there with you during your difficult times. Today your planet and your race destroys itself in ignorance."

"The goal is to recover the genuine human beings lost deep within yourselves."

"And try to always be at one with yourself."


Alex explains:
"In Andromeda one of the things that they stress is creating a race of leaders. In that leadership everyone has a responsibility to not only be a leader themselves but to make a leader of everyone else. And in that, everyone moves together. There may be varying different degrees, but everyone moves together. This is something that they have stressed over and over and over again. They have also stressed being as close to nature as possible." :original:

http://i7.tinypic.com/6fqp17t.jpg

ILLUMINATE THE ILLUMINATI! :lightsabre:

Copied from this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13296&highlight=leaders

[Humble Janitor]

BE the change you wish to see in the world, not HOPE FOR the change you wish to see in the world.

:thumb_yello:

Getting there.

[Phtha]

Quite interesting isn't it. We know they have cloned sheep (my guess is for their bedmates), thats common knowledge... Since I heard about the sheep I knew then without a doubt that they have at least tried cloning humans in their black op sites somewhere, so nothing would surprise me when it comes to this stuff... and the likeness is certainly suspicious.

This is the latest view point made on the Freeman site, some interesting theories here i have to say;

Barackhenaten and Renaissance Tiye

http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo272/unicorn8753/th_obama-likenss-michelle-likeness.jpg (http://s383.photobucket.com/albums/oo272/unicorn8753/?action=view&current=obama-likenss-michelle-likeness.jpg)

[Anchor]

Here, for fun

Its a bird! Its a plane! No, he's Barack Obama and hes come to save the day! JibJab puts the rock in Barack with a new, over-the-top satire that debuted in front of the President himself this Friday at the Radio & Television Correspondents Dinner!

Please note, this video runs to 2:06, and then there is an advert for the remainder - you have been warned !

YouTube - He's Barack Obama

See I don't have to be serious all the time :)

A..

[Antonia]

I know these blood lines exist... and I know that many of the key players in the Dark Cabal who have been hy-jacking power and duping the normal human inhabitants of this planet are bred from these bloolines ...but...and a big BUT... not all people from these bloodlines are on the dark side.... Genetics only make up the phisical vehical.... The rest depends on the soul who inhabits the vehical.... Some times a sytems buster or a major light worker has to incarnate from within the dark network to be effective in taking the dark network down.... Not every one in these families is an evil enemy of humanity and practising Satanist... I come from a big "Bloodline" family. Infact in all directions from my mother to my father to my grand parents.... there are various "The Bloodlines" running rampent and I have been brought up on love and service to humanity from every angle... Not a satanic ritual or inclination in sight!!! I was initiated in to healing and light work from early childhood and have yet to find proof of Satanic work it in any part of my own family branch history... There is obvious knights Templar traditions but please don't go believing that all the "Bloodline" people are evil.... It makes the work of the real evil doers so much easier if every one conected by blood is lumped in to the same old witches cauldron.... I'm watching Obama with fastination... I think you might be supprised at what might transpire... But only time will tell....

[lemon_sky88]

Ok, I'll try. Clearly, Obama is surrounded by enemies. They are doing as they always did, trying to push their long time agenda through him. They wanted McCain, but that all went wrong because McCain was stupid and blew it with the whole Sarah Palin thing. They have surrounded him with the baddest of the bad. Their ability to fix the election has waned with the effect of Obama's campaign. Obama makes it. So here he is, POTUS, but he cannot resist all they do, he has to work within the opportunities available to him. As soon as he finds his chances he can pick at the Gordian Knot spun around him. What he did for Cheney was a good example. He is a clever man and will play the long game. This annoys all those looking for a quick fix.



Yes, furthermore, I think he is a full-on highly evolved wanderer - one of the ground crew "special forces" if you like, but I don't know if he is consciously awakened to that fact at this time. He has huge power, I can hear it in his words and any person who makes it into high office is usually somewhat evolved (true for both sides !). He is clearly inner directed.

A..

I have to agree I feel the light side of Obama. I see a dark side the hovers around him rather than manafesting from within maybe is the best way I can put it. I just canno tell how much of a hold they have on him. He chose his cabinet and it was a risky choice. I see two scinarios. Obama is a pupet now and the adjenda pushes on with out a key roadblock needed for us the awakend. Or Or Or.... He could actually be attempting to dismantel the iluminati one by one. This would require him to draw each of them close and strike only when time is right. which may require him to make a few moves to through them off. Which to us would seem to be terrible moves which proves him to be a iluminati. But there could be great underlieing reason we miss due to secrect adjenda to dimantle the PTB. This task of his if he is who he puts him self out there to be, is a task that has been tried many times with little sucess so I stand behind him for now but do not have my mind totally made up as to weathe ror not its option one or twol thanks :trumpet:

[Jacqui D]

[SIZE="3"]I do not like to get into racial issues but something is nagging at me that Obama may just have been pushed through because the US has such a high neopolitan mix of races and let us not forget the lost votes of the last election!
A recount surprisingly got george bush jnr in.
I wonder if it was speculation on the PTB that wished this to look that the various race electors got their man so to say.

The fact that Obama actually made it in the whitehouse at all is something that would never of happened a few years ago, so yes they have an agenda they want to say "But you voted him in" they have no comebacks that way.
I think Obama is just another puppet as each and every president has been in the past, the ruling of any country goes a lot higher up than that, if you think whatever Obama has to say will make an Iota of difference (only) if they want it too.

If you visit the http://www.freemantv.com/articles/barackhenaten.shtml

There is some interesting info on there and Obama's conspracy of birthright is explained nicely, in fact who is this guy?/SIZE]

[mntruthseeker]

NO president is voted in and I will never believe that any election is honest.

Bush's recount has already been proven a fraud, as if we didnt know. The machines were rigged and I doubt he got even half the votes. I personally wanted Gore, what a fool I was............

Its a waste of time speculating. Right now Acorn is being investigated and up on charges of "dead men voting" It was plain to see what they were up to. I'm not saying a black man would not have one. won but it was time for one to win, pure and simple.

the illuminati's decide who becomes president. I can't believe anyone would think differently, not in this day and age. They decide on all the world leaders...............no doubt about it

[Jacqui D]

NO president is voted in and I will never believe that any election is honest.

Bush's recount has already been proven a fraud, as if we didnt know. The machines were rigged and I doubt he got even half the votes. I personally wanted Gore, what a fool I was............

Its a waste of time speculating. Right now Acorn is being investigated and up on charges of "dead men voting" It was plain to see what they were up to. I'm not saying a black man would not have one. won but it was time for one to win, pure and simple.

the illuminati's decide who becomes president. I can't believe anyone would think differently, not in this day and age. They decide on all the world leaders...............no doubt about it
Spot on truthseeker you said it exactly how i wanted to. What's an election lol!!

[lemon_sky88]

the illuminati's decide who becomes president. I can't believe anyone would think differently, not in this day and age. They decide on all the world leaders...............no doubt about it

I too believe this. However if I were a light worker that was to be sent on a mission to infultraite this vast army of darkness. I would need to wear there suit to even begin to think about getting past there first line defences which have kept the dark ones at the top of the ladder thus far. Im a very optomistic person and I think theres only one thing we can do about those decisions is see how this gose. Its time to step back and say no rather than through rocks and stones. communial/tribal living with barter and trade and no offical power grid are a few preminitions ive had that quite frankly i some times wish could be sped up processes so I can get on with livin free (the way they dont want me to live so they can have my power)

[mntruthseeker]

Yes, I love to think that is what is going on too. My husband and my son both tell me its so. Usually I am the guilable one in the house and I hope for the worlds sake they are correct.

We do have to make our own reality and I guess I better get busy with positive thinking.

[Antonia]

Gorbachov rose up through the Communist party to the biggest position of power possible in the Soviot Union.

He then tore down the Communist System and in so, eneded the cold war.

He was amaizing and gets so little credit for his efforts on behalf of democracy and humaninty..... But he is the perfect example of rising up through a system and being surrounded by those who believe in, opperate and controle a system that he beleieved was wrong and he knew that the only way to change that system was from the very top down....

But you have to play ball with the controllers to get to the top...

I beleive Obama is doing the same as Gorbachov.... the forces he is playing with WERE very powerful.... The shift in wold consciousness that occured when Obama became president was unpresedented... whether Obama him self, is a bad guy or a a good guy, no one can deny this consciousnes shift took place on a metaphisical level.

Whether Obama can pull of a practicle change we will have to wait and see.
Whether Obama will be over powered, influeced, corrupted or even clone swapped... we also have to wait and see....

I am open to the fact that he may turn out to be the same old same old but for now I'm going with the that Obama is of the light and a very old and christed being with a great mission on this planet... for now I am giving Obma all the light and positive energy that I can and I say "God Speed

[Unified Serenity]

Reposting from freepers:

Obama, the African Colonial
American Thinker ^ | 6/26/09 | L.E. Ikenga

Posted on Friday, June 26, 2009 2:28:00 PM by American Dream 246

Had Americans been able to stop obsessing over the color of Barack Obama's skin and instead paid more attention to his cultural identity, maybe he would not be in the White House today. The key to understanding him lies with his identification with his father, and his adoption of a cultural and political mindset rooted in postcolonial Africa.

Like many educated intellectuals in postcolonial Africa, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was enraged at the transformation of his native land by its colonial conqueror. But instead of embracing the traditional values of his own tribal cultural past, he embraced an imported Western ideology, Marxism. I call such frustrated and angry modern Africans who embrace various foreign "isms", instead of looking homeward for repair of societies that are broken, African Colonials. They are Africans who serve foreign ideas.

The tropes of America's racial history as a way of understanding all things black are useless in understanding the man who got his dreams from his father, a Kenyan exemplar of the African Colonial.

Before I continue, I need to say this: I am a first generation born West African-American woman whose parents emigrated to the U.S. in the 1970's from the country now called Nigeria. I travel to Nigeria frequently. I see myself as both a proud American and as a proud Igbo (the tribe that we come from -- also sometimes spelled Ibo). Politically, I have always been conservative (though it took this past election for me to commit to this once and for all!); my conservative values come from my Igbo heritage and my place of birth. Of course, none of this qualifies me to say what I am about to -- but at the same time it does.

My friends, despite what CNN and the rest are telling you, Barack Obama is nothing more than an old school African Colonial who is on his way to turning this country into one of the developing nations that you learn about on the National Geographic Channel. Many conservative (East, West, South, North) African-Americans like myself -- those of us who know our history -- have seen this movie before. Here are two main reasons why many Americans allowed Obama to slip through the cracks despite all of his glaring inconsistencies:

First, Obama has been living on American soil for most of his adult life. Therefore, he has been able to masquerade as one who understands and believes in American democratic ideals. But he does not. Barack Obama is intrinsically undemocratic and as his presidency plays out, this will become more obvious. Second, and most importantly, too many Americans know very little about Africa. The one-size-fits-all understanding that many Americans (both black and white) continue to have of Africa might end up bringing dire consequences for this country.

Contrary to the way it continues to be portrayed in mainstream Western culture, Africa is not a continent that can be solely defined by AIDS, ethnic rivalries, poverty and safaris. Africa, like any other continent, has an immense history defined by much diversity and complexity. Africa's long-standing relationship with Europe speaks especially to some of these complexities -- particularly the relationship that has existed between the two continents over the past two centuries. Europe's complete colonization of Africa during the nineteenth century, also known as the Scramble for Africa, produced many unfortunate consequences, the African colonial being one of them.

The African colonial (AC) is a person who by means of their birth or lineage has a direct connection with Africa. However, unlike Africans like me, their worldviews have been largely shaped not by the indigenous beliefs of a specific African tribe but by the ideals of the European imperialism that overwhelmed and dominated Africa during the colonial period. AC's have no real regard for their specific African traditions or histories. AC's use aspects of their African culture as one would use pieces of costume jewelry: things of little or no value that can be thoughtlessly discarded when they become a negative distraction, or used on a whim to decorate oneself in order to seem exotic. (Hint: Obama's Muslim heritage).

On the other hand, AC's strive to be the best at the culture that they inherited from Europe. Throughout the West, they are tops in their professions as lawyers, doctors, engineers, Ivy League professors and business moguls; this is all well and good. It's when they decide to engage us as politicians that things become messy and convoluted.

The African colonial politician (ACP) feigns repulsion towards the hegemonic paradigms of Western civilization. But at the same time, he is completely enamored of the trappings of its aristocracy or elite culture. The ACP blames and caricatures whitey to no end for all that has gone wrong in the world. He convinces the masses that various forms of African socialism are the best way for redressing the problems that European colonialism motivated in Africa. However, as opposed to really being a hard-core African Leftist who actually believes in something, the ACP uses socialist themes as a way to disguise his true ambitions: a complete power grab whereby the "will of the people" becomes completely irrelevant.

Barack Obama is all of the above. The only difference is that he is here playing (colonial) African politics as usual.

In his 1995 memoir, Dreams From My Father -- an eloquent piece of political propaganda -- Obama styles himself as a misunderstood intellectual who is deeply affected by the sufferings of black people, especially in America and Africa. In the book, Obama clearly sees himself as an African, not as a black American. And to prove this, he goes on a quest to understand his Kenyan roots. He is extremely thoughtful of his deceased father's legacy; this provides the main clue for understanding Barack Obama.

Barack Obama Sr. was an African colonial to the core; in his case, the apple did not fall far from the tree. All of the telltale signs of Obama's African colonialist attitudes are on full display in the book -- from his feigned antipathy towards Europeans to his view of African tribal associations as distracting elements that get in the way of "progress". (On p. 308 of Dreams From My Father, Obama says that African tribes should be viewed as an "ancient loyalties".)

Like imperialists of Old World Europe, the ACP sees their constituents not as free thinking individuals who best know how to go about achieving and creating their own means for success. Instead, the ACP sees his constituents as a flock of ignorant sheep that need to be led -- oftentimes to their own slaughter.

Like the European imperialist who spawned him, the ACP is a destroyer of all forms of democracy.

Here are a few examples of what the British did in order to create (in 1914) what is now called Nigeria and what Obama is doing to you:

Convince the people that "clinging" to any aspect of their cultural (tribal) identity or history is bad and regresses the process of "unity". British Imperialists deeply feared people who were loyal to anything other than the state. "Tribalism" made the imperialists have to work harder to get people to just fall in line. Imperialists pitted tribes against each other in order to create chaos that they then blamed on ethnic rivalry. Today many "educated" Nigerians, having believed that their traditions were irrelevant, remain completely ignorant of their ancestry and the history of their own tribes. Confiscate the wealth and resources of the area that you govern by any means necessary in order to redistribute wealth. The British used this tactic to present themselves as empathetic and benevolent leaders who wanted everyone to have a "fair shake". Imperialists are not interested in equality for all. They are interested in controlling all. Convince the masses that your upper-crust university education naturally puts you on an intellectual plane from which to understand everything even when you understand nothing. Imperialists were able to convince the people that their elite university educations allowed them to understand what Africa needed. Many of today's Nigerians-having followed that lead-hold all sorts of degrees and certificates-but what good are they if you can't find a job? Lie to the people and tell them that progress is being made even though things are clearly becoming worse. One thing that the British forgot to mention to their Nigerian constituents was that one day, the resources that were being used to engineer "progress" (which the British had confiscated from the Africans to begin with!) would eventually run out. After WWII, Western Europe could no longer afford to hold on to their African colonies. So all of the counterfeit countries that the Europeans created were then left high-and-dry to fend for themselves. This was the main reason behind the African independence movements of the1950 and 60's. What will a post-Obama America look like? Use every available media outlet to perpetuate the belief that you and your followers are the enlightened ones-and that those who refuse to support you are just barbaric, uncivilized, ignorant curmudgeons. This speaks for itself.

America, don't be fooled. The Igbos were once made up of a confederacy of clans that ascribed to various forms of democratic government. They took their eyes off the ball and before they knew it, the British were upon them. Also, understand this: the African colonial who is given too much political power can only become one thing: a despot.

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[Seashore]

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This is an excellent article. Thank you for posting it.

[Antonia]

Unifieid Serenity...
You are very intelegent and dissect things in a very thoughtful and complete way and I have much admiration for you and your way of explaining your truth.

I still feel that you can't put people and their individual thoughts and experiances in box's... You can't decide that one individual thinks a certain way because of his or her racial genetics or racial history, never mind family and personal history. These things are all very relevent, yes but they do not make up who an individual is or the over soul who is traveling in that physical vehical. Also the experiance of the now, is I feel much more indictive of the position and choices a person will make in the future or indeed their now.

Yes... Obama's father was Kenyan, Yes his mother was Irish/American which makes his genetic memory on both sides have a lot of blockages when it comes to British Colonialism... But he took power of a country which in his now was at the height of world wide colonial power in all our nows and he has to work with in that paradigm. The world economy is in free fall, private corporatins and private armies and secret military operations are what are actually running the show and he has to find a way to bring the power back to the people and the supposedly democracily ellected representitives of the people. Which is a very daunting task... It's not somthing he can do alone but he can be a part of the wave of 'hope' in a sense that people are waking up to the fact that they do have the power with in them selves to change their destiny. It's not all futile, like the Powers That Were, wanted people to believe. Whether Obama was born in Kenya, America, Timbucktwo, who cares? Whether he was a Marxist, crack smoker, radical, comumist, liberal, conservative, White man, Black man, half white half black , Malaision educated, Christian, Muslim his present situation is much bigger then any of this and needs far greater thinking paterns then any of this. He needs to expand his brain in to the mass consciousness and grand unifieid field of unified humanity, which I beleiev he is trying to do. Whether he is succesfull at this attempt , we will have to wait and see but his genetic, cultural and political roots are too insignifigant when it comes to the level of intelegence, foresight , intuition and all out savey he needs to deploy right now. His and the world sitiuation is far too big for that now.

And by the way, I'm very impressed at your own Nigerian roots, I have very strong dealings with Nigeria at the moment and am very close to a perticular aspect of Nigerian culture and an amaizing Nigerian individual and her family.... What a strong, elegant and infuriatingly stuborn race...and I say the stuborn bit with all the love in the world.... I'm a very stubborn person my self so maybe that's what attracts me to my Nigerian soul sister... Keep posting I love reading your posts

[Cymatic Veilbegone]

I have to say for the record, I have been hoping...repeat... "HOPING" that Obama is the guy we all wanted so desparately to come to our rescue, but I have to say, I have sat and watched as he backs off of every promise. So far, the only thing he has done of consequence in the name of change has been shutting down Gitmo, and that could well have been a token getsure to placate.

Again: I supported Ron Paul, but crossed my fingers with Obama. I have to say, it has been getting hardeer and harder to keep the faith.

We need to collectively accept the possibility that Obama may not be what he appears to be, and get on with fixing things ourselves, instead of looking to some father figure to relieve us of our responsibility.

Thats All. Dont want to debate anyone over this, just saying my piece and attaching an email I just received from a friend...Ive been suspicious that something might be going on behind all the MJ coverage...



On Tuesday, July 7, 2009, Barack Obama sold
his soul to Monsanto while America's media were
busy covering one of history's major news events:
the funeral of the century.

Monsanto has succeeded in getting their ex-attorney
Michael Taylor into the highest echelon of the Obama
Administration. Barack Obama made this decision days
after his election victory, but needed a major story
such as Michael Jackson's shocking death to pull the
veil over America's eyes. He waited nearly eight
months to do the dirty deed, hoping that it would
not spark controversy. Hoping that nobody would
notice. Let today's Notmilk column strike the match.

I plan on manufacturing a new bumper sticker
which will read:

"Blame me. I voted for him."

I first suspected something was wrong when Barack Obama
claimed that he visited 57 of the 59 States during his
presidential campaign. See:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws"]YouTube - Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States

But still, I voted for him.

I voted for him and it was too late to have second thoughts.

On his first day in office, President Barack Obama set
new ethic rules for his administration. Obama signed
an executive order prohibiting that "revolving door"
policy we've so often witnessed in the past. A policy
which allowed Monsanto (developer of the genetically
engineered bovine growth hormone) to send their
scientists and attorneys to high level jobs in
the FDA and USDA where regulations favorable to
Monsanto were enacted. That revolving door swung
both ways, and more than one ex-FDA commissioner
went to work for Monsanto after his tenure.

In issuing new Presidential Directives, Obama said,

"We should never forget that we are here as public
servants and public service is a privilege...Public
service is, simply and absolutely, about advancing
the interests of Americans."

Don't believe it.

Mr. Obama: Your honeymoon is over. I wanted
to believe that things would be different with you
at the helm. In fact, today you demonstrated that it's
just gonna be more of the same. The concept of CHANGE
you spoke about during your campaign is clearly how
many ways a lobbyist will be able to make change for
a dollar while working with your appointees.

Two attorneys from MONSANTO'S law firm (King & Spalding)
played interesting roles in American history. One was
Clarence Thomas, now on the Supreme Court (talk about
swing votes!) The second was Michael Taylor who left the
"firm" to work at FDA where he wrote the biotechnology
laws that do not require a warning label on a carton of
milk to identify the "new genetically engineered milk."

I have said for the past year that if Michael Taylor
becomes an important part of the Obama administration,
that is a warning signal to me that we've blown it.

Folks? We've blown it.

Although Michael Taylor was the man most responsible
for writing the policies which shaped Monsanto's lies
regarding genetically engineered milk, FDA Commissioner
Hamburg said this about Taylor's appointment:

" "His expertise and leadership on food safety issues
will help the agency to develop and implement the
prevention-based strategy we need to ensure the
safety of the food we eat."

Yesterday, while using the Michael Jackson story as
his hidden ball trick, the Obama administration quietly
announced that Michael Taylor is returning to the
Food and Drug Administration as the senior advisor to
FDA Commissioner Margaret Hamburg.

Robert Cohen
http://www.notmilk.com

[Zeddo]

We need to collectively accept the possibility that Obama may not be what he appears to be, and get on with fixing things ourselves, instead of looking to some father figure to relieve us of our responsibility.



Hi CV and Everyone

This isn't a blaming game, it's not a case of "I was right all along and you were wrong, wow look at how clever I am", or "I told you so". It goes beyond anything we were taught previously. It goes beyond listening to gurus, watching videos of "enlightened" individuals and even being members of forums such as this (I hasten to add that it is a blessing that we have this forum).

This is indeed the time for awakening. A time for "Total Recall" as it were. I have watched from a distance for a while now, adding a little here and there but nothing of any real consequence. Bear with me, this may sound off-topic, and yet it is not.

I have watched as people post asking "what do you think of this? How about that" etc. The fact of the matter is that if ever there was a time, it is now that we need to start listening to our own spirit, the voice within. We need to stop worrying about what other peoples opinions are, or what they may decide is good or bad, indifferent or otherwise.

I have noticed that there has been an escalation of posting about love, and that is such a lift to the spirit. This is where we need to go, the only path worthy of following. We need to understand that NOTHING is as it appears, that all is illusion and that we are all being set up for a fall, which ultimately and paradoxically is part of our learning curve. This is a time for discernment and the exercising of such. This is also a time of holding our tongues when we feel someone has made a bad judgment call and to offer them love rather than denigration, support rather than condemnation. This is a time when we need to shore up each others banks against the raging tide of attack that assails all humanity at this time. Remember, even the Obama's are under attack whether they understand this or not. The Rothchilds, Bilderburgers etc are all under attack, they too are deluded and only think they run the show.

We cannot look to the world for saviours, we cannot look to alternate dimensions for saviours, we can only look within and learn our own lessons and through these lessons be a stronghold for those who are perhaps still on training wheels. Remember, we are all still on training wheels if you think about it, and we need each other for balance and security. If we can understand the simple fact that the collective, exercising love, is the only way forward then we will begin to move forward against the enemy, we will begin to shine light into previously dark and inaccessible places.

In closing, the enemy is within, the enemy is our lack of understanding that we are our own saviours, that we are each others saviours and that we need to be one in understanding, one in love and one in compassion. Unity in love will overcome all obstacles.

All Love All Peace and All Blessings to All

Z

[cosmictexan]

Zeddo,

Thank you so much for the love. I think we all need it right now.

[333mark333]

My 2 cents.......Obama is playing the part Destined for him, for our good or ill this is the next phase of Consciousness Evolution. Do we really think this ONE man has the Power to control the Hidden society that has been ruling this planet. He personally may want many changes - but what seems so simple and realistic to our consciousness may not hold True to a larger picture! hands may be tied to Economic stability.
Regardless!! his action's may cause the Awareness of Being, the shift in consciousness.
Maybe we should go back to Singularity, Entanglement, Unified Field 101 and understand who HE IS and have Faith in knowing that we are on course in Time.

Lets play the Game not be the Game.

[Humble Janitor]

Since people asked me to explain why I have tried to defend Obama in countless threads, I feel that it's time for me to set the record straight.

Obama is neither anti-christ nor savior. He is simply playing a part and one of the good things about this part is that he has gotten the attention of people from all walks of life, whether they hate him or like him.

One of the positives of Obama being in office is that it has helped people realize that we need to move beyond dependence on political figures to "fix" the problems out there.

One of the negatives of Obama being in office is that he has brought out the worst of our fears, hence the increase in gun sales and hate groups across the U.S.

He was not my first choice for the Presidency. It was either Kucinich or Edwards and when both proved to be unelectable (though it's not Kucinich's fault that he couldn't get the audience that Obama got), I settled for Obama.

I intially liked him because he talked about things that I wanted to see and I still want to see (transparency, a return to diplomacy/rejection of Bush's policies, single-payer health care).

Fortunately, I *DO* agree that he has reneged on some (possibly all) of these promises. That is what politicians do. To expect them to keep their promises, is to expect them to create a miracle. It just won't happen.

It's not too late though. However, I must move on. I will do so in a positive manner. I will accept that he is not who I thought he was and come to terms with the fact that the time to move on has already passed.

The way I view it, it's better to have given someone a chance than to not have given them a chance at all.

I hope this answers the question that some have asked. I'm not perfect but I'd prefer that this be the last thing that I have to say on Obama unless I can continue to come to terms with what I'm seeing. It could always be worse and I could resort to far worse behavior and I used to be a regular at a left-leaning website that would shout down anyone who didn't support Obama. I've seen over time that it simply isn't a healthy approach and I no longer post there.

[metaw3]

I first suspected something was wrong when Barack Obama claimed that he visited 57 of the 59 States during his
presidential campaign.

:blowup:

YouTube - Barack Obama 57 State Remix

[14 Chakras]

Obama Warns of Swine Flu Return http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/health/10flu.html?bl&ex=1247284800&en=7d10bb085fb2733a&ei=5087%0A

Vaccinate the children with poison and put the bill on the deficit...

Fear fear fear... control control control...

Obviously the powers that were have some sort of fall launch planned for their baby h1n1... that being said, I give them no more power... there time's up and the golden age is beginning. Can't you see the people are starting to wake up :). Slowly but surely.. the shift is coming.

[Northern Boy]

Since people asked me to explain why I have tried to defend Obama in countless threads, I feel that it's time for me to set the record straight.

Obama is neither anti-christ nor savior. He is simply playing a part and one of the good things about this part is that he has gotten the attention of people from all walks of life, whether they hate him or like him.

One of the positives of Obama being in office is that it has helped people realize that we need to move beyond dependence on political figures to "fix" the problems out there.

One of the negatives of Obama being in office is that he has brought out the worst of our fears, hence the increase in gun sales and hate groups across the U.S.

He was not my first choice for the Presidency. It was either Kucinich or Edwards and when both proved to be unelectable (though it's not Kucinich's fault that he couldn't get the audience that Obama got), I settled for Obama.

I intially liked him because he talked about things that I wanted to see and I still want to see (transparency, a return to diplomacy/rejection of Bush's policies, single-payer health care).

Fortunately, I *DO* agree that he has reneged on some (possibly all) of these promises. That is what politicians do. To expect them to keep their promises, is to expect them to create a miracle. It just won't happen.

It's not too late though. However, I must move on. I will do so in a positive manner. I will accept that he is not who I thought he was and come to terms with the fact that the time to move on has already passed.

The way I view it, it's better to have given someone a chance than to not have given them a chance at all.

I hope this answers the question that some have asked. I'm not perfect but I'd prefer that this be the last thing that I have to say on Obama unless I can continue to come to terms with what I'm seeing. It could always be worse and I could resort to far worse behavior and I used to be a regular at a left-leaning website that would shout down anyone who didn't support Obama. I've seen over time that it simply isn't a healthy approach and I no longer post there.

We have pretty much all given him the chance I am not American but judging from who was running in the primaries I too liked Kucinich and Gravel along with Paul they seemed more in tune with what was actually going on then the others .

I personally think that not just in your country but in many countries the time to start considering third party candidates is over due . The average citizen is shoved into the closet until its time to get the voting booths open then they pull us out dust us off shake our hands pin a button on our chest and tell us how great it is to meet us . Could you please send me to the house of Graft and corruption.

We all know that the 2 party system hasn`t worked for along time TPTB have things all sewn up no matter who wins the only way to Change it is to ignore who your father and his father before him voted for and why . Its time for us to decide who and why we vote for a candidate and its time for us to shape and direct which way the nation is going to go not the over paid policy people in DC, Ottawa, London and the rest of the nations capitals .

Eliminating lobbyists and corporations from donating to the campaigning of those running in it . Preventing former governmental cabinet members from going to work for lobbyists after they leave Government .

Obama may surprise us down the road but right now the road is looking really bumpy and the rims on the car might not be able to take it . No one has blamed you for taking the side you did we are all entitled to that What is important is that after time you get to sit back and see what he is doing and decide did this help or hurt us so far I think most of us still have the torn in our A*s. But your never know he may pull out a pair of tweezers one day

[Humble Janitor]

Yeah I pretty much agree.

[lemon_sky88]

A time is coming when our way of life will change. Things may get worse before they get better. Obama seems to be working in secrecy and seems at this point to potentially be pushing there agenda. I agree what he is doing was meant to be. This may just need to keep inflating until the balloon pops. Let them get head heavy and topple over. We must continue to keep our eyes open and report everything. Disclosure is essential to inshore they will not be successful.

[Stargazer1965]

Arnold Schwarzenegger was born in Austria. Why isn't anyone making a deal out of that.

It's gotta be Obama's skin color that's drawing all this wasteful hatred.

Oh my god Humble.....Don't play that card because your opinions are threatened.

I think you are looking at the world thru colored glasses.

Don't weigh my soul down with foolish accusations....

[Humble Janitor]

Oh my god Humble.....Don't play that card because your opinions are threatened.

I think you are looking at the world thru colored glasses.

Don't weigh my soul down with foolish accusations....

I don't understand why you quoted this when I have already gone into depth on why I support(ed) Obama.

[Northern Boy]

Yes I believe that you clarified your current position in this post yesterday, sometimes people do not take the time to read the whole thread and jump to conclusions and as far as i am concerned you do not have to answer such . I don`t feel it is a race issue at all he is a man with all the body parts that all human beings of the male species contain to me skin colour is not the factor and those that choose to believe it is wrong for a man of his colour or any other colour for that matter need only look to the other countries of this world and see that not all leaders are white. As far as race goes this world is made up of only one race it is the Human Race

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor
Since people asked me to explain why I have tried to defend Obama in countless threads, I feel that it's time for me to set the record straight.

Obama is neither anti-christ nor savior. He is simply playing a part and one of the good things about this part is that he has gotten the attention of people from all walks of life, whether they hate him or like him.

One of the positives of Obama being in office is that it has helped people realize that we need to move beyond dependence on political figures to "fix" the problems out there.

One of the negatives of Obama being in office is that he has brought out the worst of our fears, hence the increase in gun sales and hate groups across the U.S.

He was not my first choice for the Presidency. It was either Kucinich or Edwards and when both proved to be unelectable (though it's not Kucinich's fault that he couldn't get the audience that Obama got), I settled for Obama.

I intially liked him because he talked about things that I wanted to see and I still want to see (transparency, a return to diplomacy/rejection of Bush's policies, single-payer health care).

Fortunately, I *DO* agree that he has reneged on some (possibly all) of these promises. That is what politicians do. To expect them to keep their promises, is to expect them to create a miracle. It just won't happen.

It's not too late though. However, I must move on. I will do so in a positive manner. I will accept that he is not who I thought he was and come to terms with the fact that the time to move on has already passed.

The way I view it, it's better to have given someone a chance than to not have given them a chance at all.

I hope this answers the question that some have asked. I'm not perfect but I'd prefer that this be the last thing that I have to say on Obama unless I can continue to come to terms with what I'm seeing. It could always be worse and I could resort to far worse behavior and I used to be a regular at a left-leaning website that would shout down anyone who didn't support Obama. I've seen over time that it simply isn't a healthy approach and I no longer post there.

[NeoEmc2]

People actually believe this? :roll1:

Yea lets figure out if he committed fraud when he was in college, many many years AFTER he becomes president, then we'll get rid of him...:smoke:

RUN OBAMA, RUN! :dog:

Come back to earth people.

[Gareth]

Obama is dismantling the illuminati bit by bit.

I don't see the problem. He outed Cheney as the torturer, that and what he is doing to the FED has probably got a lot of guns pointed at him.

I wish people would learn to recognize black-ops propaganda. The illuminati hate him and they will do anything to bring him down, and many "conspiracy-nuts" are soft targets for these black-ops propaganda types - easy to manipulate because they have learned to thrive on less than 100% factual coverage.

Obama is simply playing the game as it needs to be played. I would not want his job. I would not want to have to call the loosing of a bridge to win a war, but at a higher level of being I am sure that we are all on the same side really.

I wish him all possible light and protection for the highest and best good of all - he certainly needs it.

A..

I agree!

[Samarkis]

I agree!

I agree!!!

Now all....instead of complaining....whether one is for or against Obama...
pls let us know what YOU are personally doing in yr sphere of influence to make this world a better place???? Are you doing anything besides work and living at yr home?? Do you do some good for yr neighbors,yr community??
Do you do community service that isn't required for job advancement???


I have been working on the global meditation at the Nexus thread here since Oct. 08,plus getting things organized for two meditation group events at Coral Castle...I am volunteering at the Botanical Gardens this year...I call my grandmother twice a week & talk to the other ladies there to give them a laugh & cheer,I moderate on this site,I help my children's friends on different things(One due to family issues had to miss too much school and didn't get his diploma so I paid for his GED testing so he could get a decent job and go to college while helping his dad with his health)I have started to do a radio show once a week to let people understand Consciousness and what Humanity is capable of....) I am sure there are more things coming up to happen...I would like to speak to school officials this year to do swap meets for children's things at the schools on Sat.'s at least once a month....

Let me hear some action folks....Give us some ideas....
Instead of complaints!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thx!!

[mntruthseeker]

Obama did lie to us........black, white, red, brown,yellow or purple........who really gives a hoot what color his skin is. He is and always will be a liar

bush lied bush jr lied. regan lied, cheney lied. every single president lied to us. Kennedy and Lincoln are the only ones that had the "guts" to get up there and try to change.

If the people believed that Obama was going to change things.....thats their problem.................because..................O bama was NOT the only one that ran on such a ticket...........

So I feel really bad when people get offended and claim his skin color gets us going. I doubt it very much. We wouldn't like anybody right now.

Oh, hey everyone, I got my book today about Obama called MURDER....by Larry Sinclair. Know what, I beleive what Larry says, but I believe that the rest of our so called men that sat in the same chairs have done so much worse..................Killers, addicts, Pediofiles, torturers, sex manias, ..............LIARS
CHEATERS, BiSexuals............they have all done it, been there and enjoyed every minute.

My friend has a son that is a male prostitute that resides in Washington DC and you should hear the stories...............His mother said it would turn the worse of the worse stomachs.

So I think people are complainting about the one that is the puppet this year, thats all. It doesn't do any good to get angry over the remarks. I think it's funny but I also believe what is said

They are all frauds...........but he is the one that is in office at this time so it will get pushed off on him at this time

[Seashore]

Ok, I'll try. Clearly, Obama is surrounded by enemies. They are doing as they always did, trying to push their long time agenda through him. They wanted McCain, but that all went wrong because McCain was stupid and blew it with the whole Sarah Palin thing. They have surrounded him with the baddest of the bad. Their ability to fix the election has waned with the effect of Obama's campaign. Obama makes it. So here he is, POTUS, but he cannot resist all they do, he has to work within the opportunities available to him. As soon as he finds his chances he can pick at the Gordian Knot spun around him. What he did for Cheney was a good example. He is a clever man and will play the long game. This annoys all those looking for a quick fix.



Yes, furthermore, I think he is a full-on highly evolved wanderer - one of the ground crew "special forces" if you like, but I don't know if he is consciously awakened to that fact at this time. He has huge power, I can hear it in his words and any person who makes it into high office is usually somewhat evolved (true for both sides !). He is clearly inner directed.

A..

Anchor,

Have you changed these beliefs in any way?

[Anchor]

That is a specific question and the quote is out of context, so I will answer carefully.

Clearly, Obama is surrounded by enemies. They are doing as they always did, trying to push their long time agenda through him. They wanted McCain, but that all went wrong because McCain was stupid and blew it with the whole Sarah Palin thing. They have surrounded him with the baddest of the bad. Their ability to fix the election has waned with the effect of Obama's campaign. Obama makes it. So here he is, POTUS, but he cannot resist all they do, he has to work within the opportunities available to him. As soon as he finds his chances he can pick at the Gordian Knot spun around him. What he did for Cheney was a good example. He is a clever man and will play the long game. This annoys all those looking for a quick fix.

Yes, furthermore, I think he is a full-on highly evolved wanderer - one of the ground crew "special forces" if you like, but I don't know if he is consciously awakened to that fact at this time. He has huge power, I can hear it in his words and any person who makes it into high office is usually somewhat evolved (true for both sides !). He is clearly inner directed.

Everything in SeaGreen, I stand by, the stuff in Cyan was in retrospect woolly thinking and not properly thought through or researched and perhaps paraphrased too much. This does not imply that the SeaGreen stuff is based on research. The last paragraph definitely is not - that is nothing my gut intuition.

Does that answer the question?

Do you have any new information? (By that I mean hard facts and not media sensationalized innuendo).

A..

[Seashore]

That is a specific question and the quote is out of context, so I will answer carefully.



Everything in SeaGreen, I stand by, the stuff in Cyan was in retrospect woolly thinking and not properly thought through or researched and perhaps paraphrased too much. This does not imply that the SeaGreen stuff is based on research. The last paragraph definitely is not - that is nothing my gut intuition.

Does that answer the question?

Do you have any new information? (By that I mean hard facts and not media sensationalized innuendo).

A..

Yes, it does, and I love the way you went about answering it. No changing the subject or getting nasty.

I don't have new information. I have not been participating much on the Obama threads. I focus on other things. But when you said Obama is of the light, I was amazed by the statement and had to find out more.

Thanks for your forthright answer!! :original: