Who is Barack Obama

[Unified Serenity]

Barack Obama came out of nowhere to become the President. He has refused to disclose documents proving his American birth. Prior to his winning the Presidency (or it being given to him) he accomplished little to nothing in his college endeavors or career except to be named to positions of leadership. This article provides some interesting information.

And I beheld another beast (http://www.scribd.com/doc/16668501/And-I-Beheld-Another-Beast-Out-Of-The-Earth)

How much was the bible manipulated eons ago by the ptw? How much is prophecy? The coincidences in the Koran, Islamic writings, and the bible are thought inspiring. Have we been given the leader to solidify the ptw plans?

I look forward to any thoughtful replies.

[tone3jaguar]

If there was any actual proof that he is not an american all you would have to do is watch Fox news because they would talk about it all day.

[Unified Serenity]

You can't prove a negative. Obama has paid out millions to stop all efforts to obtain his college records, birth certificate, and the plethora of court cases demanding these records be released. His Occidental college records will reveal if he received a scholarship under a foreign student status. His real birth certificate (if there is one) has not been released. Obama released a certificate of live birth which has issues a forgery expert found in the document. A certificate of live birth in Hawaii such as Obama's does not prove anything. In fact if you have a real birth certificate from a hospital then why would one need a "certificate of live birth"? Obama appears from all of his actions to be hiding something. It might not matter to many people, but it is a requirement to be the President of America that one must be a natural born citizen, not a dual citizen or a naturalized citizen.

So, you are correct there is no proof because all of the avenues to get to the truth have been blocked. Now, back to the article I referred to, I 'd like input on that and not this birth certificate issue. If you want to read ad nauseam about it, go to worldnetdaily.com as they talk about it in great depth.

[Anchor]

There are other places to discuss the Obama conspiracy on Camelot. We can either move this thread there, or we can keep the thread on a spiritual aspect of the topic (which I believe was the original intent).

[Unified Serenity]

There are other places to discuss the Obama conspiracy on Camelot. We can either move this thread there, or we can keep the thread on a spiritual aspect of the topic (which I believe was the original intent).

Thanks for the post. I was responding to tone3jaguar, and attempted to bring it back to the spiritual aspect of my original post. So, I'd like it to stay here as I was referring to an article that focuses on a spiritual topic.

Thanks

[judykott]

Thank you for the interesting link United Serenity! I believe that even before the moment of conception, many lives are engineered to fit the agenda of several alternate choices of where the PTW wish to lead the masses. I think it is down to every detail. There was even more symbolism in those pictures he did not mention, it is so laden and layered in it. But I think more than enough of it was mentioned to prove the point of engineering to sell him as a Messiah of sorts, no doubt.

I will just mention one of the things that was not in there, although there are literally hundreds, but we do not want to beat a dead horse,:naughty:.
Sol Sender, led a design team for the Obama 08 logo, which is a sun logo. How more layered can a name be, besides Obama's,:lol3:Sol meaning sun, or sounds like soul, and then sender:lmfao: So Sun Sender or Soul Sender, runs his campaign.

The fact that Zbigniew Brzezinski was behind him and helped engineer his career since his college days was a major red flag, but then anyone who is allowed to run for president is a red flag:naughty:if not the blatant skull and crossbones:lightsabre:showing them all for the pirates they are:nono:

[mntruthseeker]

I absolutely agree with you Unified and judykott, you said it very well

As far as Fox news reporting the truth if it was out there is laughable

Now, why would they do that? All our news and media will NOT report this information.

I followed a man that has been reporting things to fox news and he has a book about to hit the stands soon. He has many followers and I watched, read all remarks and know that they tried to get any one of the media to listen to his story.

They refused to do this. Fox is not going to report this as they can only report what they are given permission to do. That is not going to change. LOL I am sorry but I know that our media and news is so patheticly sick and wrong.............Who owns the media? Who owns the news? Who runs the world?

they are all together in this big plan. Even Lou Dobbs is backtracking and I find that disgusting as heck.

I seen good men on the news suddenly die of heart attacks, and some cancelled like Montel Williams who I adore. They spoke too much

[14 Chakras]

but then anyone who is allowed to run for president is a red flag:naughty:if not the blatant skull and crossbones:lightsabre:showing them all for the pirates they are:nono:




Agreed, however, there are exceptions to the rule! Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich being two guys who are doing their best in a complicated political world, and we should learn from their example :original:

[Humble Janitor]

There are other places to discuss the Obama conspiracy on Camelot. We can either move this thread there, or we can keep the thread on a spiritual aspect of the topic (which I believe was the original intent).

I agree. These types of threads are getting annoying because they accomplish nothing except to stir up negative thoughts/feelings about someone.

[peaceandlove]

I absolutely agree with you Unified and judykott, you said it very well

As far as Fox news reporting the truth if it was out there is laughable

Now, why would they do that? All our news and media will NOT report this information.

I followed a man that has been reporting things to fox news and he has a book about to hit the stands soon. He has many followers and I watched, read all remarks and know that they tried to get any one of the media to listen to his story.

They refused to do this. Fox is not going to report this as they can only report what they are given permission to do. That is not going to change. LOL I am sorry but I know that our media and news is so patheticly sick and wrong.............Who owns the media? Who owns the news? Who runs the world?

they are all together in this big plan. Even Lou Dobbs is backtracking and I find that disgusting as heck.

I seen good men on the news suddenly die of heart attacks, and some cancelled like Montel Williams who I adore. They spoke too much


Blessings MN,

Right on, Catherine Austin Fitts was on Coast to Coast AM last night and I heard her say, turn off your TV, the news, especially the financial news is all false. Spend the time talking with your neighbors and making plans. I will post the show when I can find it.

Also, I couldn't resist when you mentioned Montel Williams and I know you like Ron Paul.

Two, Two...Two for One! :mfr_lol:

Montel: Ron Paul Talks Honest Economics

VIDEO (8:03): YouTube - Montel: Ron Paul Talks Honest Economics

[Humble Janitor]

Ron Paul is still a politician.

None of them can be fully trusted. ;)

[mntruthseeker]

Thank you Peace...............


I admire both of these men


Anchor, I know Ron Paul is a polictian but he seems very sincere in his quest. I have never seen him back down on any issues that he truly believes in. He speaks from the heart.

We have a few worthy men at the White House. just a few

Montel is a very kind person and I will listen to him.

[Sarahmay]

Barack Obama is a lightworker who doesn't even know he is a lightworker. He is a very advanced soul who is here to help us through the troubled times ahead. Those of us on a spiritual path know this intrinsically...those who are fear based see evil, doom and gloom.

[14 Chakras]

Ron Paul is still a politician.

None of them can be fully trusted. ;)

We should never put our hope and faith fully in someone outside of us. Ron Paul is not yet fully enlightened, so we shouldn't put him on a pedastle and think he can do no wrong, nor should we do this with anyone, because the truth is inside of us and we always have to use our own inner discernment.

That being said, the problem we're facing is that good people view 'politicians' as the problem, whereas the good people should stand up, as Ron Paul has stood up, and BE the politicians.

Although there are plenty of problems with the system, there is still opportunity for the people who are not bought and sold themselves to get involved in their government, Ron Paul is proof of that.

If only we would take back our power, and our government. What we are facing right now is a Country that has let the government get completely out of hand, in large part because the good people, and the spiritual people, haven't been willing to step up to the plate.

[judykott]

Barack Obama is a lightworker who doesn't even know he is a lightworker. He is a very advanced soul who is here to help us through the troubled times ahead. Those of us on a spiritual path know this intrinsically...those who are fear based see evil, doom and gloom.

I do not wish to be blinded by the light or swallowed by the dark. Just see things for what they are and that is best done in my view by the viewing the fruit of one's actions or choices. The light and dark both have there purpose in a duality based paradigm, one just the polar based opposition of the other, one just as much a trap as the other.

I can not speak for an "us" on a spiritual path, that would not make any sense to me. I can only speak for myself. If I see someone who has killed someone and say they just killed someone is that evil, doom, and gloom or is it just what is. If I say murderer because that is a label we have assigned for that, is that evil to say that? It is just a label for an action. It is not who he is.

As for Obama being a lightworker who does not even know he is a lightworker, I would personally hope he would understand what path he has chosen and where he was at with it especially in his position. He certainly must have clues by those he chooses to surround himself with, and their actions of the past and the fruit of it and if he changes these and there is different fruit, I will see there is different fruit. I will see what is, not what I wish to happen, or may happen but hasn't.

There could not be a lightworker without the evil, doom and gloom so in my view although I am not fear based when I see a pile of manure it is a pile of manure. Manure makes great fertilizer so it has a useful purpose. It is also something I prefer not to come in contact with, unless I have use for it.

As for being a very advanced soul does not require one to be a lightworker, a very advanced soul could choose a different path and it shows by the actions and words they choose. A path can change, there are many detours one can take along their personal spiritual path.

I would not call myself a lightworker, worker implies work, I would rather choose to be love and light which to me means view the world and myself for what it is, with it's dark and shadows which are embraced within it, and not denied or see it is as fear based, it just is. I wish to see things as they are, even if it is not what I would prefer to see, my expectations or my delusions. When I go outside facing and basking in the light, I turn and see shadow trailing, it just is.

[Unified Serenity]

Thanks for the replies. I'm wish some had focused on the actual information that seems to show BO as having some prophetic ties to the Islamic prophecies, how he chose to give his speech in Germany, the use of the Bronco's stadium and "Thunder". Many are aware of the various biblical texts and is there merit to see BO as the precursor to the one who is said to fulfill the negative side of prophecy.

Yes, if prophecy is real then someone has to fulfill the negative side. As for being accused of being negative for calling a spade a spade I do not agree with that and Judy gave a good example regarding witnessing a crime. For myself, I search for truth by a strong inward drive that compels me to search. I feel much more comfortable knowing a catagory 5 tornado is headed my way and thus having my preparations in order to the best of my ability. There is another biblical phrase, "Having done all stand". I am able to stand in love and peace knowing I have done all possible and thus be content within myself.

Judy, thanks for the thoughts.

14Chakras I agree with your words as well and it would be great if we could take back our country, I just don't know if we are supposed to. This is where I have changed some views over the years. I see no positive outcome in the methods used thus far to seek relief from over excessive government and their abuse of the power we have given to them. I can only hope and believe that our wonderful military men and women will stand in honor and not take part in any negative actions some in higher command would order them to take. Marches won't do anything. I do actually believe our talking helps in some way energetically, and to continue to send out the energy of love and peace is our greatest tool.

Thanks again for the comments.

[Unified Serenity]

Those of us on a spiritual path know this intrinsically...those who are fear based see evil, doom and gloom.

So, because I don't agree with you then you say I am not on a spiritual path for I don't see it after having it said or intrinsically? And because I can see the negative actions happening I am fear based? Hmmmm, if someone comes up to someone, points a gun at them and shoots them, is that victim on a fear based path or did they just get shot by a thug?

I can see something and choose to not join my energy with it.

[777 The Great Work]

Any soul who can't let go of the ego, is the fufillment of that prophecy.I feel that Obama the person is only an archetype of my own false identity.Thats just my two cents:original:

[Northern Boy]

Ron Paul is still a politician.

None of them can be fully trusted. ;)

Barack Obama lets not forget is a politician too

[777 The Great Work]

Anyone who embraces duality concepts, such as good and evil, is a POLE - itician.:naughty:

[judykott]

Anyone who embraces duality concepts, such as good and evil, is a POLE - itician.:naughty:

:lmfao:Then they call people for their opinion divided into polarity concepts to take a poll, :naughty: pretending as if it is giving voice or option when it is a charade

[mntruthseeker]

Barack Obama is a lightworker who doesn't even know he is a lightworker. He is a very advanced soul who is here to help us through the troubled times ahead. Those of us on a spiritual path know this intrinsically...those who are fear based see evil, doom and gloom.

This is not true. I know many many lightworkers and they say Barack was to be elected only because it is karma coming back to the white people. I find this ironic too as race doesnt make you right or wrong.

Not one of them truly believe that he is going to change the world.

I am not bashing Obama if I speak the truth aoout him.

Now, I ask you, how many lightworkers lie, cheat, have extra marital affairs or involved with drugs and murder? This is facts about Obama.

You say that anyone who doesn't see Obama for what he is are fear based..................

I am not afraid of anything our future may hold for me. I know that my life is honest.

I find that the information that Ron Paul, Dennis Kuchinvich and others is important in "waking" people up. Peopl should be able to make up their own mind what they want to do so it is important work

I think no matter what your path is in this world it is important. For those that are truly evil, they are also giving us a lesson which is needed along with the others. We need to perfect our lives and I considerate myself lucky that I can see it for what it is. I believe this, because I truly believe we are One.

So if someone points out a dislike they are doing so because they have something that needs healing. Let that person work on that without denying them the opportunity.

But please do not refer to us as being fear based. I consider myself awake and very much aware of what is going on in the world.

If people didnt bring this all out in the open, there would be alot more sleeping and I sure dont want that

Its ok to make a remark without ridiculing another person for their observations. Many are lightworkers themselfs.........

Obama is very indept in his knowledge but to which side is yet to be seen as far as I am concern. He said he was for change and could do the job so he put himself in the limelight. We are waiting but to just expect it to happen would be a grave mistake on anyones part.

I will not sit back and wait for change, I will help to bring it about

[pyrangello]

When this years congress voted the 1.2 trillion dollar stimulas and another 400 billion dollar budget I was appauled. Then a few weeks after wards President Obama said we cannot conitinue to spend like this and I did a double take,
"What did he just say". Which person had the podeum at that moment. I couldn't tell you what this man stands for , who he stands for, or which part of the world he is in daily. I'm trying hard to find the light and consistancy within but this is really tough.

[mntruthseeker]

When this years congress voted the 1.2 trillion dollar stimulas and another 400 billion dollar budget I was appauled. Then a few weeks after wards President Obama said we cannot conitinue to spend like this and I did a double take,
"What did he just say". Which person had the podeum at that moment. I couldn't tell you what this man stands for , who he stands for, or which part of the world he is in daily. I'm trying hard to find the light and consistancy within but this is really tough.


So am I, So am I

[Humble Janitor]

Barack Obama lets not forget is a politician too

DUH!

How many more threads like this are going to pop up?

It's becoming more clearer to me everyday that this site isn't what I thought it was.

[Unified Serenity]

DUH!

How many more threads like this are going to pop up?

It's becoming more clearer to me everyday that this site isn't what I thought it was.

I find the subject of prophecy very interesting Humble Janitor, and it seems to me that it is through people's actions that is becomes reality. What about the information presented in that article is not worthy of discussion? Did you read the article? I did not post that article to bash anyone, but to look at recent events and the symbolism involved to see if it has merit and wanted feedback from those here who do examine such things. I do not enjoy every thread here, but then I don't get involved in the ones that do not interest me.

Why were you drawn to this thread?

[Humble Janitor]

I thought it was going to be about symbolism until people started coming in just to bash him.

There's another good thread that only focuses on symbolism on here, mainly related to Egyptian prophecy.

[Northern Boy]

Humble I have asked you on numerous time what it is that makes you think that he is of the light . Not once have you answered the question ,but thats ok I don`t care if he is black, white, red or green . His voting record shows that although he has been present for almost all votes he has abstained from voting more than he has participated . You take some of the worst people from the previous 2 administrations and make them part of your own and people will see that it is business as usual . They could have given the money that the banks got and helped the ordinary citizen out and many would have paid off their homes first I`m sure . But to give to the banks, the very institutions that have put your country in the situation it currently faces . Is just wrong , they were supposed to loosen up the credit and they tightened it up instead, They gave bonuses after receiving bailouts wrong , And now the Fed has been handed the keys to the city and the power to step in when ever they so desire .

Yes America having an African American president is way overdue that part of the equation I agree with you . But to just jump on the change and hope bandwagon is not for me . Yes i thought maybe this time it would be different but as they say the show must go on , The thing about change is that it never has to materialize for hope to exist its a book with out an ending .

So I am asking you once more what can you show me he has done to get me to change my mind . Simple question

[Phtha]

So I am asking you once more what can you show me he has done to get me to change my mind . Simple question

:mfr_lol: I have asked this same question more then once as well. All I get back is insults rather then facts. I'm sure you know as well as I why that is. ;)

It would certainly be nice if they were right about Obama but I'd sooner place my bets on a 3 legged horse.

As for the whole light/dark good/evil scenario... Its true they are simply different degrees of the same thing, none the less while I'm here in this world of polarities I go for light! :lol3:

One set of polarities has me confused though, truth/lies. There seems to be no gradient in between. You are either with truth or not, they are not the same thing. That is the real choice we all need to make.

[Seashore]

...You are either with truth or not, they are not the same thing. That is the real choice we all need to make.

:thumb_yello:

A simple truth, succinctly stated!! :original:

[14 Chakras]

Any soul who can't let go of the ego, is the fufillment of that prophecy.I feel that Obama the person is only an archetype of my own false identity.Thats just my two cents:original:


I think this is an important way to look at it. There are many anti Christs, they are the ones who promise you automatic salvation by giving up your hope and power to them... the anti-christ is found closer to home personified as our own ego...

That being said, very good link here at the beginning of the thread.

One thing the author is off on imo, is saying "Apollyon" is Apollo. I disagree with this, and personally my discernment tells me that the real Apollo is a great being of light, an Elohim as a matter of fact.

It appears as though most researchers online agree with me that the greek "Apollo" is not the same being as the "Apollyon" mentioned in the book of revelations.

As for the Islam prophecy, I'd say this author was highly inspired, and it wouldn't surprise me if there are some very significant truths in this article... nice catch :)

[Humble Janitor]

Humble I have asked you on numerous time what it is that makes you think that he is of the light . Not once have you answered the question ,but thats ok I don`t care if he is black, white, red or green . His voting record shows that although he has been present for almost all votes he has abstained from voting more than he has participated . You take some of the worst people from the previous 2 administrations and make them part of your own and people will see that it is business as usual . They could have given the money that the banks got and helped the ordinary citizen out and many would have paid off their homes first I`m sure . But to give to the banks, the very institutions that have put your country in the situation it currently faces . Is just wrong , they were supposed to loosen up the credit and they tightened it up instead, They gave bonuses after receiving bailouts wrong , And now the Fed has been handed the keys to the city and the power to step in when ever they so desire .

Yes America having an African American president is way overdue that part of the equation I agree with you . But to just jump on the change and hope bandwagon is not for me . Yes i thought maybe this time it would be different but as they say the show must go on , The thing about change is that it never has to materialize for hope to exist its a book with out an ending .

So I am asking you once more what can you show me he has done to get me to change my mind . Simple question

It's not my job to prove anything.

If you want an alternate view on Obama, check out David Wilcock.

Plus, I never even said he was of the light. I'm looking for a balanced view on the man, not a hit-piece, which is common. Can't get that from Wilcock, Rense or Jones. Have to draw your own conclusions.

I am a Libra. The scales run my life.

[Northern Boy]

It's not my job to prove anything.

If you want an alternate view on Obama, check out David Wilcock.

Plus, I never even said he was of the light. I'm looking for a balanced view on the man, not a hit-piece, which is common. Can't get that from Wilcock, Rense or Jones. Have to draw your own conclusions.

I am a Libra. The scales run my life.

I`ll pass on Wilcock he may resonate for some but not for me and for various reasons but here is an example. I was at his forum last fall after he posted that the worst of our economic woes were behind us when I tried to post otherwise with evidence to support this my post needless to say never made the board . And despite what many feel as doom and gloom the bottom has not been reached in the economy yet . The bail outs were designed to give the banks time to get their house in order and quell the massive derivative bubble waiting to explode and when it does every bank will go with it . So If I disagree with what he says at his forum I can`t voice my opinion . I`m not a big fan of Alex either or Jeff .

We have to guide our selves and not be influenced by what others chose to do or say . We must also realize that if we stay on the train tracks for to long eventually the train will run us over , if you see the train coming and you do nothing you seal your fate . Blind faith and believing in others to correct our past transgressions has put us into the situation we currently face . Its now time to believe in ourselves to make the right decisions to get us out and for every individual this will be different .


I not criticizing you for believing in Obama thats up to you just never be afraid to question what and why . Thanks for your answer here is one more thing if you ever look at a statue of the scales of Justice notice one thing and it is the most important thing . She wears a blindfold

[tone3jaguar]

Guys, I did not say it would be on Fox because they tell the truth. I said it would be on Fox because all the guy has to do is walk crooked and they are up his ass about it for days on end all day.

[Sarahmay]

:
One set of polarities has me confused though, truth/lies. There seems to be no gradient in between. You are either with truth or not, they are not the same thing. That is the real choice we all need to make.

Not so, truth is very subjective. One person's truth may not be another's. Facts are something else, but still you have interpretation and whether you place any value on a "fact."

How do I know Obama is of the light? I am very sensitive to the vibrations of others, and he is vibrating very highly. I trust my intuition on this matter more than I do on someone else's truth, but I don't expect anyone to be swayed by this.

Facts are that he speaks of peace and is working to end wars and torture. That he wants all Americans to have health care available to them. He wants to stabilize the economy so that we can have prosperity. He wants the US to step up and actually offer something of value to the world. And he is taking active steps to make all of these things happen.

I've never even really liked a president before, and I am a very independent thinker. But I agree with David Wilcock on this--we are both intuitive, we "feel" him, we know there is evil in the world and Obama is not part of that.

[14 Chakras]

Isn't there a line in the new testament something like "even the devil will disguise himself as a great being of light"?

"he speaks of peace and is working to end wars and torture"

Talk is cheap. You will know them by their fruits.

My eyes see that Obamamania is media created, not based on actions. The guy hasn't rocked the establishment in any way other than increasing it's power and control and decreasing the chances the dollar is not about to get completely rocked...

Careful you don't give too much of your light away is my best advice!

[Unified Serenity]

Not so, truth is very subjective. One person's truth may not be another's. Facts are something else, but still you have interpretation and whether you place any value on a "fact."

How do I know Obama is of the light? I am very sensitive to the vibrations of others, and he is vibrating very highly. I trust my intuition on this matter more than I do on someone else's truth, but I don't expect anyone to be swayed by this.

Facts are that he speaks of peace and is working to end wars and torture. That he wants all Americans to have health care available to them. He wants to stabilize the economy so that we can have prosperity. He wants the US to step up and actually offer something of value to the world. And he is taking active steps to make all of these things happen.

I've never even really liked a president before, and I am a very independent thinker. But I agree with David Wilcock on this--we are both intuitive, we "feel" him, we know there is evil in the world and Obama is not part of that.

Wow, I had to stop several times reading this. I have to agree with you that everyone won't be swayed by what you have said. Truth is not relative, truth is truth. I give the example of three people touching an elephant and each touches a different part. The person feeling the trunk may believe one thing, the person touching the tail another, and the one touching the foot a third thing while the whole time it's an elephant. Guess what, the truth is... "IT'S AN ELEPHANT". Now, yes for each person they perceived something and it was truth for them, but all were wrong.

My wife has a wonderful saying when two people argue there are three points, each has their own view and then there is the truth. That is what a judge is for and they of course can be wrong as they are human, but an unbiased third party who gets to see the evidence should be able to present the truth of the matter.

You may well be very sensitive and feel a high vibration energy coming from Obama, that does not make you right. I have been a sensitive person for all of my 43 years of life, empathic and a soul healer for the past twenty years. I have what I consider very good intuition and ability to read people. So, you touch the tail and I touch the trunk, what's the truth? Is there good in Obama? I think everyone who has truly embraced the theory of communism in that everyone should share equally wants a positive society. The problem is easily discovered by reading "Animal Farm". Some always end up being more equal than others, and the herd is left with the scraps while the pigs live in luxury.

Are you in disagreement that there is a shadow power / government of this world? Are you unaware of their belief that there needs to be a reduction in the population by at least 5 billion souls? That their members believe in eugenics and that some races are lesser developed and not deserving to continue on this planet, particularly the black race? That they have targeted that race for extinction? I'm white by the way so don't think I have an agenda. I look for truth and don't care whose sacred cow gets butchered, just that I find the truth in the least painful way possible, but sometimes that is not easy nor accomplished.

A government with all the power will butcher the people. Obama is a liar plain and simple. He said no taxes on those making less than 250k annually and yet one of his first acts once in power was to raise taxes on tobacco. It is a proven fact that the less educated and poor are more likely to smoke so that was a tax on the poor. He is not getting the troops out of Iraq as he said he would. He is seeking unheard of powers and getting them. Czars everywhere, unelected and unaccountable to the people. And a total lack of transparency which he promised is very obvious in not only the birth certificate issue but many others as well. Obama is not a lightworker anymore than Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot were. I do think they move the way forward for the light to be so desperately needed because of the very darkness they bring that many will wake up.

Take Obama's TOTUS away and see how powerfully he speaks. He can barely form an intelligent sentence without a script. His whole life has been scripted and he has never accomplished anything but being named to prestigious positions to fulfill an agenda. He's an excellent puppet for the NWO ptw.

[Phtha]

Truth is not subjective. What you believe is subjective, and unfortunately, beliefs are often based on dogma and authority in today's age rather then experience. The truth is what is, you can't change it ever, no matter how much you believe otherwise.


Not so, truth is very subjective. One person's truth may not be another's. Facts are something else, but still you have interpretation and whether you place any value on a "fact."

[Seashore]

Truth is not subjective. What you believe is subjective, and unfortunately, beliefs are often based on dogma and authority in today's age rather then experience. The truth is what is, you can't change it ever, no matter how much you believe otherwise.

I agree with this. There is one truth.

We all try to figure out what it is to the best of our ability. None of us has it all right.

But what an adventure searching for it!! :cup: :original: :wub2:

[14 Chakras]

Perhaps there are infinite levels of truth in the schoolroom of infinity. Meaning, that although something is true at a certain level, there is always a higher truth.

I think I get Sarahmay's point. It is not so easy to choose truth or un-truth. On this earth, we see through a glass darkly. Truth is very murky, and each person on this forum has a different understanding right now of what is truth and what is illusion.

So it is not as easy as either you pick truth or you don't. Personally, I would say it's more about whether you are willing to start the search for truth in the first place. Once searching, it's about whether you are willing to continuously surrender your beliefs for a higher belief, or whether you get attached to any one belief. It is always going to be the call of the day on the search for truth to surrender and come up higher, because it is an infinite journey.

Even fully enlightened spiritual beings are constantly transcending themSelves and their level of understandings...

One of the major problems we face here is that in duality, everything is subjective and people are attached to their limited beliefs.

Whereas, you must be a child to enter the kingdom of heaven, you must be in a constant state of reception and surrender.

As soon as we think we've got the ultimate truth and no longer need to keep searching on it, that's when we are choosing illusion. There is always a higher truth.

[Unified Serenity]

As soon as we think we've got the ultimate truth and no longer need to keep searching on it, that's when we are choosing illusion. There is always a higher truth.

An elephant is still an elephant. Sure we can evolve into higher understanding and that is where I believe love is the key in all, and learning to forgive is a key to understanding unconditional love.

BO is still a puppet and he serves those who wish to control this world and who fulfill the negative side of prophecy.

[Sarahmay]

Are you in disagreement that there is a shadow power / government of this world? Are you unaware of their belief that there needs to be a reduction in the population by at least 5 billion souls? That their members believe in eugenics and that some races are lesser developed and not deserving to continue on this planet, particularly the black race? That they have targeted that race for extinction? I'm white by the way so don't think I have an agenda. I look for truth and don't care whose sacred cow gets butchered, just that I find the truth in the least painful way possible, but sometimes that is not easy nor accomplished..

Yes, I am well aware of this.

If that is the only example you have of Obama as a liar, it is a poor one. As far as taxes go, he was speaking of income taxes, not "sin" taxes...I have no empathy for people who spend their money on tobacco.

I have to say, this has turned into a more productive discussion than the usual Obama hate-fest...lots of thoughtful comments!

[Unified Serenity]

Yes, I am well aware of this.

If that is the only example you have of Obama as a liar, it is a poor one. As far as taxes go, he was speaking of income taxes, not "sin" taxes...I have no empathy for people who spend their money on tobacco.

I have to say, this has turned into a more productive discussion than the usual Obama hate-fest...lots of thoughtful comments!

Tax is tax. His speeches were all about hope and change. That the poor of our society would not continue to be used and the rich get richer. So, passing the "sin" tax is an attack on the poor. Now, they are doing cap n trade TAX! Let's see, if I earn $30,000 a month and my energy bill goes up oh say $4000.00 dollars a year, that is not much of a burden for me. If I earn $30,000 a year that $4000 is over a 10% increase in what I earn that I now have to pay in a tax over a lie of global warming being man made. This new TAX will get passed as we mourn MJ and Farrah's deaths.

Oh, here are a bunch more lies, the list is at 158 here, so have fun:

Obama's documented lies (http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/05/documented-lie-50-obama-claimed-he-had.html)

I'm sure these can all be explained away as misunderstandings, but to me if it walks like a duck, quack likes a duck, swims like a duck, then it's a duck. Can we get back to the meaning of this original post?

[Phtha]

I don't see truth as being murky or having infinite levels. It has no gradient. There are infinite paths that can lead to one ultimate truth. And there are many types of truth. But each truth has only one level.. the truth! :lmfao:

As others have mentioned, we each have our own ride to take in this amazing life, assuming we don't hop on someone else's ride, which happens all to often. Many traps are set up along the way to derail us. Intelligence being one of the biggest traps because it tricks us into thinking we know everything so we close the door on the sea of infinite possibilties we call reality.

For instance Sarahmay sees Obama spreading health care as a good thing, yet the health care system is the number 1 cause of death among Americans. The Health system is like a 9/11 every week! The only reason we even get sick is because of the foreign substances that we are continually bombarded with. In fact the health care system even tells us they are not there to heal us through symbolism, for those that can read it.
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One snake? That symbolizes imbalance, disharmony, and sickness.
The oldest symbol always had two snakes for balance and health. Some still use it however, but the vast majority do not.

People like Wilcock (who has said lots of great things) whom pretends to know the 'only' truth, and anyone who disagrees is living a "doom and gloom" reality are using powerful symbols to trick people into following him. I strongly believe he is getting large pay checks from a source that does not mean the best for humanity. I'm open to being wrong though. ;) But anyone who says they have all the answers and everyone else is wrong should bring up warning flags.

I don't pretend to know the ultimate truth, but one truth I can give is that we need to stop looking outside of ourselves for the sator/savior. We need to stop raising other human beings upon pedestals which only causes division and ultimate defeat. There are no so called "light-beings", that's more divide and conquer dogma, we are all the same in the end, all powerful and we all mean well if we listen to our soul, we just need to realize it! :y:





Perhaps there are infinite levels of truth in the schoolroom of infinity. Meaning, that although something is true at a certain level, there is always a higher truth.

I think I get Sarahmay's point. It is not so easy to choose truth or un-truth. On this earth, we see through a glass darkly. Truth is very murky, and each person on this forum has a different understanding right now of what is truth and what is illusion.

So it is not as easy as either you pick truth or you don't. Personally, I would say it's more about whether you are willing to start the search for truth in the first place. Once searching, it's about whether you are willing to continuously surrender your beliefs for a higher belief, or whether you get attached to any one belief. It is always going to be the call of the day on the search for truth to surrender and come up higher, because it is an infinite journey.

Even fully enlightened spiritual beings are constantly transcending themSelves and their level of understandings...

One of the major problems we face here is that in duality, everything is subjective and people are attached to their limited beliefs.

Whereas, you must be a child to enter the kingdom of heaven, you must be in a constant state of reception and surrender.

As soon as we think we've got the ultimate truth and no longer need to keep searching on it, that's when we are choosing illusion. There is always a higher truth.

[Phtha]

:mfr_lol:
You got that right.
For whatever reason I'm always filled with joy just thinking about it. :trumpet:



But what an adventure searching for it!! :cup: :original: :wub2:

[burgundia]

:lmfao:Then they call people for their opinion divided into polarity concepts to take a poll, :naughty: pretending as if it is giving voice or option when it is a charade

And having a two-party system just adds to polarity.

[Seashore]

...People like Wilcock (who has said lots of great things) whom pretends to know the 'only' truth, and anyone who disagrees is living a "doom and gloom" reality are using powerful symbols to trick people into following him...

His lack of humility bothers me as well...

[Seashore]

And having a two-party system just adds to polarity.

I would love it if political parties were eliminated. Just have candidates.

[waitinginthewings]

I have spent all of my adult life searching for truth in many areas......I believed I had discovered the answers to lifes many questions & yes, I believed I had found truth................one morning I woke up & I realised I know absolutely nothing about everything.........that was rather disconcerting after my long search ,to end up back at square one. But that discovery was in itself "pure truth" ....my quest for truth is ongoing now, but at a more relaxed pace.....I am more open for truth to make itself known to me, when I am ready to absorb it & understand it and live it. So for me, truth is always changing, as my own awareness develops, & I take on another level of truth. It is our own ego that keeps us stuck in thinking we know truth, & that ego will prevent us from developing further.

It reminds me of school.....a child has to develop first at kindergarton, then grade 1 and on and on.

[judykott]

I was just wondering if anyone else read the document Unified Serenity provided a link to? It is really quite an interesting article, another view or perspective of just how long things have been planned and tailored to fit prophesy and ritual. Unified has asked a couple of times to address that subject, which is impossible if you have not read it completely. :lol3: It would be nice to discuss what was actually intended as the purpose of the thread.

It would be more interesting than the pissing contests of who is more intuitive and a real lightworker.:lmfao:, when it was meant as a discussion of an essay.

[14 Chakras]

It reminds me of school.....a child has to develop first at kindergarton, then grade 1 and on and on.

Yes, and in all fairness, the earth in the third D may be working on passing kindergarten :).

While I agree that there is an absolute truth and an absolute falsity, it may also be worth considering that the creator itSelf, is in a constant state of transcendence. God itSelf is a LIVING God, and may be growing and learning through it's creation in the eternal Now. Infinity becomes More through creation.

What is the fullness of the infinite Now, has been transcended... Now.

However, the problem occurs that the collective consciousness of planet earth is not always transcending itself with the rest of creation. The earth falls further behind while creation becomes more. This is akin to a fish swimming upstream, eventually you get tired, and it hurts!

We're not here on this planet to become all knowing and the ultimate truth, we're here to jump back in the river of life, where we are constantly transcending ourSelves and becoming More in Oneness with the rest of creation.

Right now, we're trapped in a karmic cycle where we go round and round, but we act and feel separate from the rest of creation, thereby, we're often becoming less not more.

When we are willing to give up what we think is the highest truth, we are ready to RECEIVE MORE!

P.S. Yes, this article at the beginning of the thread may be some good hints as to who one of the personifications of the collective ego is...