Michael Jackson has Cardiac Arrest and Taken to Hospital

[Steve_A]

Hi Everybody,

Not that I'm a great fan, but Michael Jackson has suffered a cardiac arrest and was taken to hospital around thirty minutes ago.

When I get more I'll post again.

Best regards,

Steve

[Steve_A]

UPDATE

It seems that Michael Jacksons' condition is deteriorating.

His father says he is 'not doing well'.

The survival rate for cardiac arrests is around 15%.

Jackson is 50 years old.

When I get more I will post again...



Hi Everybody,

Not that I'm a great fan, but Michael Jackson has suffered a cardiac arrest and was taken to hospital around thirty minutes ago.

When I get more I'll post again.

Best regards,

Steve

[Steve_A]

UPDATE

It's very likely that Michael Jackson has died of a cardiac arrest.

The hospital is waiting for his mother to arrive before releasing the news officially.

More information I will post again.


UPDATE

Michael Jackson has died.

http://www.tmz.com



UPDATE

It seems that Michael Jacksons' condition is deteriorating.

His father says he is 'not doing well'.

The survival rate for cardiac arrests is around 15%.

Jackson is 50 years old.

When I get more I will post again...

[Soulmate7]

MICHAEL JACKSON HAS DIED!

Karma's a b*tch.

[waitinginthewings]

MICHAEL JACKSON HAS DIED!

Karma's a b*tch.

I have always felt compassion for Michael. I feel he was the product of the industry which caused him all kinds of neuroses. The public could not see through that & see how much emotional pain he was in.

I believed he had a kind, sensitive heart that was seriously manipulated. I hope that he will find true peace now.

[Tango]

UPDATE

It's very likely that Michael Jackson has died of a cardiac arrest.

The hospital is waiting for his mother to arrive before releasing the news officially.

More information I will post again.


UPDATE

Michael Jackson has died.

http://www.tmz.com


I'm very sorry for the loss... I always liked Michael...

Tango

[Metaphor]

There is something fishy going on :smoke:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65981&highlight=michael+jackson

[Humble Janitor]

There is something fishy going on :smoke:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65981&highlight=michael+jackson

Doesn't matter now. He's dead.

Unfortunate and it goes to show that no matter how much people idolize other people, the folks they idolize are not immortal or indestructible.

[Metaphor]

Doesn't matter now. He's dead.

Unfortunate and it goes to show that no matter how much people idolize other people, the folks they idolize are not immortal or indestructible.

No offense Janitor, did you even read the link?
My point is that this could have been known well in advance.

[mntruthseeker]

That was very interesting to say the least. As far as answering the question of was it really MJ..............I would have to ask, who really knew the real MJ?

At a time I enjoyed listening to Michael Jackson but he then got too "weird" for me. The day I heard he paid off his accuser is the day he lost my respect and I will not listen to him again.

Being a pop star does not excuse the person. He never admitted anything, so I guess we shouldn't of expected him to apologized. But what is wrong with the world that lets such things slip by with a pay off?

[Humble Janitor]

That was very interesting to say the least. As far as answering the question of was it really MJ..............I would have to ask, who really knew the real MJ?

At a time I enjoyed listening to Michael Jackson but he then got too "weird" for me. The day I heard he paid off his accuser is the day he lost my respect and I will not listen to him again.

Being a pop star does not excuse the person. He never admitted anything, so I guess we shouldn't of expected him to apologized. But what is wrong with the world that lets such things slip by with a pay off?

I think we are forgetting something.

The man was hounded and hounded and hounded until he died the way he did, with probably very little friends in the world.

When you push someone to the brink, they do things that are questionable, things that they otherwise wouldn't do.

I don't understand either but with the kind of life he had, I can forgive him for things that happened.

He was never formally convicted of anything, which makes it hard to believe the stories that were in the media, etc.

[Orion11]

MICHAEL JACKSON HAS DIED!

Karma's a b*tch.


wtf?
you speak ill of the dead?
and dont even know the truth?

pretty sad. :thumbdown:


R.I.P. Michael. :wub2:
Thanks Steve.

[Soulmate7]

wtf?
you speak ill of the dead?
and dont even know the truth?

pretty sad. :thumbdown:


R.I.P. Michael. :wub2:
Thanks Steve.

Yes, I will repeat that. I'm happy he died and I hope he suffered.

I used to be a fan of Michael. I used to go to a concert. I saw him like 5 meters distance. I defended him when the first reports of child molesting came in. I thought people were taking advantage of his fortune.
Until the day I saw him hand in hand with his last victim. I can see a lot in the eyes of a person. He was ... horny!
Since that moment, I have never listened to his music ever again and I only wished him what has happened today.

You can be the best performer of history, but you cross that line and it's all over.

[mntruthseeker]

Yes I spoke bad of Michael

I suppose I will pay for that one ?

I can forgive people as I do everyday but I will not put them on a petastal just because they sang well.


I heard his own sister and brother speak ill of Michael and I havel never consider the media as gospel. The abuse was in his own family so I will believe based on that and when they spoke out, there was a large dispute going on between his siblings.



So be it.................I don't believe in death I apologize for my words to who I have offended I will shut up now

[Humble Janitor]

I guess I'm right about this place.

All negativity, all the time!

[Orion11]

then i feel sorry for you soulmate7.

Humble,.. it is getting quite old eh?

not exactly the definition of "conscious".

let' em sleep. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

:wub2:

[Steve_A]

Hi Metaphor,

I suspect something, however I have a different take on it than Ian2day on the David Icke forum.

I could be forgiven in thinking that he commited suicide by overdose and when the paramedics found him, he was already in a lightly dead state (beleive it or not but there are states of 'dead').

This time the paramedics couldn't bring him back and he died on the way to the hospital.

Why would he commit suicide? Well I think he suffered from Peter Pan syndrome, wanting to always e a child. This would explain his behaviour with slumber parties and Never Land etc.

I also thought that he could have 'lost his bottle' when it comes to stage appearances. This is very common amongst artists, there's one ex - artist who is writing here that stopped performing because of his age (however didn't suffer from Peter Pan syndrome), so I can totally understand why he cancelled the London gigs this year, as normally you prepare the event before selling the tickets. I think he needed the money and lost his bottle to perform.

All of this together with the fact that he was 50 years of age he must have felt really tired and drained, what with all the negative press, so called friends leaving or sueing him etc. It would have left him feeling old, what Peter Pan syndromers don't want, lonely, isolated and realising everything was coming to an end.

Of course it could just have been a cardiac arrest.... a post mortem will tell.

Best regards,

Steve



There is something fishy going on :smoke:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65981&highlight=michael+jackson

[Phtha]

My belief is Michael was put through abusive mind control techniques like many of the super stars in today's age. Dark subject, but there is lots of information on it if you care to look.

[Metaphor]

Yeah, we´ll have to wait. On Icke.com its a conspiracy-feast like no other, haha.
I think its a golden opportunity tomorrow for any western government to sneak through any unpopular legslation or something. Lets keep an eye out ;-)

I´m a permforming musician at the age of 36 so I guess I have that Peter pan thing coming then :lol3:

[deb003]

I think we are all entitled to our opinion here.

If someone thinks that Karma's a bi*&^, why should we think that our belief is the only one that's right.

The truth is none of us where in Michael Jackson's room when he had little boys sleeping over and none of us where there to see that nothing happened of if something happened. All we can do is go on our own inner guidance and so those that feel he's guilty, let them, and those who don't let them. It's called respect for other's views.

And then we sit here and think that our "right" view is so "positive" and "right" when really we're just being self righteous anyway.

I'm sure his family is going through allot right now so I hope they have some privacy while they mourn their passing loved one.

For me, it doesn;t make one difference because they guy was just an image on TV. never knew the real person and I know it's all okay.

[cloud9]

Every single person in this world is an expression of God. Even Hitler and others who have made history because of their cruelty. Nobody Has the right to judge another human being because we don't know what their mission is in the planet, besides we are teachers for one another by being good or bad.
Every human being is on the path of spiritual evolution and there's not such a thing as 2 identical lives, we don't know the feelings, troubles, struggles and loniless of others so it's not wise to judge.
Hating somebody who never did anything to us is the most akward thing. I'll remember him for all the good moments he gave to millions of people around the world, not everybody can say they did the same, so even though he had a less than perfect life, he was a valuable talented human being and as I said at the beginning, he was an expression of God.

[bushycat]

He was a remarkable dancer.

[waitinginthewings]

Every single person in this world is an expression of God. Even Hitler and others who have made history because of their cruelty. Nobody Has the right to judge another human being because we don't know what their mission is in the planet, besides we are teachers for one another by being good or bad.
Every human being is on the path of spiritual evolution and there's not such a thing as 2 identical lives, we don't know the feelings, troubles, struggles and loniless of others so it's not wise to judge.
Hating somebody who never did anything to us is the most akward thing. I'll remember him for all the good moments he gave to millions of people around the world, not everybody can say they did the same, so even though he had a less than perfect life, he was a valuable talented human being and as I said at the beginning, he was an expression of God.

Thank you for sharing this balanced view of another human who actually suffered a great deal. Outward appearances are not the whole story, therefore compassion in this case is in order. May he find peace & love now.

[mntruthseeker]

Thank you SoulMate..................I sit here watching the news and I know I speak for others when I say the things I said

Unless you have had a child or were a child molested by a grown person, its hard to say how one feels. My daughter was molested for three years when she was 6 through 9 years of age. She was a baby in my eyes and I didnt have a clue because I was a trusting person.

My husband and I totally freaked out when she finally told us. It has been over 20 years but the pain is fresh in all of our hearts. I knew the person and trusted the person with all my heart because he was a good person. So much for that. I listen to the child and she was telling the truth. They really suffer when this happens.

I think for any grown up to even just get in bed with someone elses child deserves the accusations that come with it. There is absolutely no reason and in my heart I feel he did it and if he suffered the last years of his life.............I feel it was just deserved. Leave your hands off the children, they suffer enough. Run to another country that allows such acts was how he handled

So Orion and Humble, you will not make me feel guilty because I am in shock..........real shock ............over how the world can just "forget this and sweep it under the bed" . I am sad, very sad over the way the people can just turn their heads against the real persons that suffered at his hands.


And I seen the look in his eyes too and it was lust..........it make my stomach turn

Any person that even so much as touches a child should be treated the same way.

[Soulmate7]

then i feel sorry for you soulmate7.


Let's embrace pedophiles. This crazy world is ready for this.

He was a remarkable dancer.

I don't regret seeing him doing the moonwalk. It was truly unique, although this concert was one of the worst I've seen in my life.. Play back, hiding his mouth with his hand, 50 times "I love you" (no play back), 80 euro.
The initial concert was cancelled due to the death of Diana. All 80,000 fans were there on that Sunday, just to hear the concert was cancelled at the last minute. I was working on the nightshift at that time. The concert was postponed to Wednesday, went to it straight from work, 12 hours at the same spot, not able to drink, not even able to scratch my knee. I came home deaf due to teenage girls screaming like hell behind me. But hey, I saw the "King of Pop".

[Unified Serenity]

Thank you SoulMate..................I sit here watching the news and I know I speak for others when I say the things I said

Unless you have had a child or were a child molested by a grown person, its hard to say how one feels. My daughter was molested for three years when she was 6 through 9 years of age. She was a baby in my eyes and I didnt have a clue because I was a trusting person.

My husband and I totally freaked out when she finally told us. It has been over 20 years but the pain is fresh in all of our hearts. I knew the person and trusted the person with all my heart because he was a good person. So much for that. I listen to the child and she was telling the truth. They really suffer when this happens.

I think for any grown up to even just get in bed with someone elses child deserves the accusations that come with it. There is absolutely no reason and in my heart I feel he did it and if he suffered the last years of his life.............I feel it was just deserved. Leave your hands off the children, they suffer enough. Run to another country that allows such acts was how he handled

So Orion and Humble, you will not make me feel guilty because I am in shock..........real shock ............over how the world can just "forget this and sweep it under the bed" . I am sad, very sad over the way the people can just turn their heads against the real persons that suffered at his hands.


And I seen the look in his eyes too and it was lust..........it make my stomach turn

Any person that even so much as touches a child should be treated the same way.

I understand where you are coming from in your anger and pain. I will simply say that until you have walked in someone else's shoes you really don't know what they have gone through. It's been said that MJ was a victim of mind programming. Did they make him a child molester? Did they destroy his spirit? Was he affected by unknown energies? We have talked about technology that can affect our thinking and actions (scaler waves for example) and was that used or was MJ just a twisted emotionally disturbed and very talented child and man?

Oh, and for the record, I was repeatedly molested and raped from a young age so don't think I am unaware of what you feel regarding your child, I lived it. It was boys, family "friends" (adults), and a date, but I have forgiven them all, and have moved on with my life. I think loving parents can possibly carry more of the pain and scars because of feeling they did not protect their child and have a hard time forgiving themselves. I hope your child has healed and gotten over the past in a positive way. I do pray that MJ will rest in peace and that those whom he may have hurt can forgive and live a positive life.

I do wonder what is being done politically while we watch this media frenzy that appears to be happening. All in all, chin up, live, love and hug your loved ones.

Much love to all here.

[mntruthseeker]

I guess seeing how the world is reacting and reading things in here brought home my pain.

It only shows me that I still have an open wound that needs healing........that will happen until I do and I thought I had. It pains me everytime I hear a story regarding this.

I have cried all night but not for his death, when I first heard of it, all that I could think of, was another child is saved. I cry for the way the world has placed their priorities on all of this.

I don't believe that the whole world that is now crying over this, has forgiven or forgotten this bit of information......I feel it didnt matter to them. That to me is very sad.

A man or woman can rape a child, kill someone, beat a spouce and if you are one of the so called rich and famous and they will be "forgiven" per who they are. Bush Cheney Biden Obama clinton and the kennedy's .. I could go on, if you like, all have skeletons in their closets among many but the charges never seem to stick. Did they do it, hell yes, in my eyes they did and I am not alone in these thoughts.

Ask me if I will care or cry when they go..............NO



Thanks for asking about my daughter. She is a mother and I think she is a wonderful mother and she has an open line of communication with them both.
It will not happen in her family....

I don't think it would matter as I pain for all the children of the world that suffer each and every day. I am at lost how I can put an end to the way I feel.

[Dantheman62]

There is no judgement on the other side, R.I.P., M.J.

[cloud9]

I absolutely disagree with the way the media is handling this event. How many more hours will be CNN talking about MJ? Fox and the rest? Even though he was a talented person who I admired (because of his talent) I didn't pass the mistakes he made but somehow at this time in my life when I have learned a lot about love and compassion I'm able to see through all errors and mistakes that people make, behind all of that there's a soul who came to this world and did the best he could with the knowledge he had.

mntruthseeker and soulmate: I truly understand the pain and suffering, just consider that maybe going troguh so much pain every time you remember an event is not the answer. The answer is forgiveness for all involved, forgiveness and love will heal any wound, any error and then your soul will be free. No matter what happens, life goes on and at the end if I have understood correctly, we should be observers in this reality.
A big part of awakening is to understand that what we live in this dimension are just experiences, our souls are much much bigger than anything we experience here.
I hope I don't sound harsh because it's not my intention at all. Forgiveness and love is all we need to live free of pain.
God bless you all.

[Soulmate7]

I don't understand either but with the kind of life he had, I can forgive him for things that happened.

He was never formally convicted of anything, which makes it hard to believe the stories that were in the media, etc.

Money buys everything in this sick world, even "love" for young boys.
It seems that a couple of good records and dance passes, give you permission to do whatever you like.

I guess I'm right about this place.

All negativity, all the time!

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


mntruthseeker, I feel your pain. I understand the adoration for a sick mind hurts you more than anyone else. I'm glad to hear your daughter is doing fine today.

[Soulmate7]

mntruthseeker and soulmate: I truly understand the pain and suffering, just consider that maybe going troguh so much pain every time you remember an event is not the answer. The answer is forgiveness for all involved, forgiveness and love will heal any wound, any error and then your soul will be free. No matter what happens, life goes on and at the end if I have understood correctly, we should be observers in this reality.
A big part of awakening is to understand that what we live in this dimension are just experiences, our souls are much much bigger than anything we experience here.
I hope I don't sound harsh because it's not my intention at all. Forgiveness and love is all we need to live free of pain.
God bless you all.

Let's forgive Hitler, Bush, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot. Let's build a statue for Ted Bundy, Henri Kissinger and Marc Dutroux. While we're at it, let's commercialize pedophily. Let's make it a day of forgiveness for all the filth that has happened in the past. This world is ready for this.

[waitinginthewings]

Money buys everything in this sick world, even "love" for young boys.
It seems that a couple of good records and dance passes, give you permission to do whatever you like.



Don't let the door hit you on the way out. .


mntruthseeker, I feel your pain. I understand the adoration for a sick mind hurts you more than anyone else. I'm glad to hear your daughter is doing fine today.

Lets be clear here, some people have expressed admiration for his musical talent, & not for whatever crimes that he may or may not have committed in his personal life. Have we all not committed some type of crime in our life.....indeed it is part of our life's journey to both be on the receiving end of evil and also to dish it out.......why then do we feel we have the right to judge others so harshly. I am not dismissing the suffering of others, but if we claim to be spiritually aware, then surely we must understand that we are all "sinners" ......so let us look in the mirror at our own reflection first.

[Humble Janitor]

Every single person in this world is an expression of God. Even Hitler and others who have made history because of their cruelty. Nobody Has the right to judge another human being because we don't know what their mission is in the planet, besides we are teachers for one another by being good or bad.
Every human being is on the path of spiritual evolution and there's not such a thing as 2 identical lives, we don't know the feelings, troubles, struggles and loniless of others so it's not wise to judge.
Hating somebody who never did anything to us is the most akward thing. I'll remember him for all the good moments he gave to millions of people around the world, not everybody can say they did the same, so even though he had a less than perfect life, he was a valuable talented human being and as I said at the beginning, he was an expression of God.

This says it better than I could.

The man wasn't perfect but for the love of all that is good, let him rest.

[J_rod7]

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Michael Jackson finally gone for good. Now if the news-media would get back to some REAL news?

I will apologize ahead to any "IDOL WORSHIPERS" among the group here,
but this is my HONEST opinion...

My opinion = GOOD RIDDANCE FREAK :naughty:


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[Anchor]

To those who it may concern,

-----------------> *Stop making direct (or indirect) personal attacks against other forum members!

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[oldpaganfreak]

soulmate, i'd say rthat was out of line.:nono:

[dolphin]

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Michael Jackson finally gone for good. Now if the news-media would get back to some REAL news?

I will apologize ahead to any "IDOL WORSHIPERS" among the group here,
but this is my HONEST opinion...

My opinion = GOOD RIDDANCE FREAK :naughty:


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wow, people's true colors really do come out.....:thumbdown:

[Orion11]

wow,

some really, really, sad, little people here isnt there?

[Edited]

grow up a tad would you.

[Edited]

have a good one eh.

[MONITOR]

Yes Dolphin...I agree. Michael was just wanting to be a kid because he never had a childhood. He loved kids as his buddies because he was trying to regain his lost time as a child. His experience was taking him as a five year old and brainwashing him into being a grown up. It's incredible that he survived 50. He never knew what it was like to be a kid. He tried to lived his life as a kid because he missed out on his. Do You Know Why Michael Jackson is dead? It's because of character assasins (Nacissistic Personalites). RIP MJ. AUM!:original:

[Humble Janitor]

I must add that even if Michael did do the things he was suspected of, I could not hold it against him. My brother is a sex offender for different reasons. He's cleaned his life up and continues to do so. It was this experience that taught me not to judge people for their mistakes, especially if they worked hard to rebuild their lives and move on.

People CAN change. It's my view and I'm sticking to it.

[MONITOR]

I must add that even if Michael did do the things he was suspected of, I could not hold it against him. My brother is a sex offender for different reasons. He's cleaned his life up and continues to do so. It was this experience that taught me not to judge people for their mistakes, especially if they worked hard to rebuild their lives and move on.

People CAN change. It's my view and I'm sticking to it.

Michael Jackson was never convicted of child sex abuse. People are "always innocent until proven guilty". This is one of the "Universal declaration of Human Rights" we have. We are innocent until proven guilty!!!!!!! No matter were you are in this world, or who you are, nobody can take away your Human Right's. Not even if you are dead!!:original:

[viking]

Well they say there is no smoke without fire...I don't know if he did or did'nt...If he did it's unacceptable!! If he's innocent.. God bless him.

We can argue until the cows come home.....

However let's not forget the messages in his songs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm-TlW9gXmk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gJcNBKiyMI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Hcd60VoRM&feature=fvw

viking

[Humble Janitor]

Michael Jackson was never convicted of child sex abuse. People are "always innocent until proven guilty". This is one of the "Universal declaration of Human Rights" we have. We are innocent until proven guilty!!!!!!! No matter were you are in this world, or who you are, nobody can take away your Human Right's. Not even if you are dead!!:original:

I know this. I'm just trying to make a point.

[Jack]

The lack of humility here sometimes is a bit dissapointing.

Ok, im totally in disagreement with the media coverage and the way the whole world is mouring over one man. People are quick to forget the million or so Iraqis who died violent terrible deaths only a few years ago because of societies continued ignorance and lack of respect for each other.

I personally like MJ, and never once felt that he was guilty of the charges brought against him by poor families who had nothing to loose and everything to gain by bringing him to court.

Take into consideration that Micheal died from a stress induced heart attack. Does a cold callous man who is capable of raping a child loose weight during a trial because of an overload of stress? Most cold callous people can handle these events, but Michael obviously could not. He is your brother and deserves some respect. He's now free from this world where he was nothing more then a money train and that is a cause for celebration not grief.

[Humble Janitor]

There is plenty going on in the world to a point where people can make a bit of time to mourn/celebrate the life of a celebrity.

Just can't overdo it.

[Anchor]

Regardless of MJ's innocence or otherwise, he was a part of a media machine controlled by people who like nothing more than to get people like us wound up. They know every trick in the book and it is important that we use our inner light to rise above the base levels at which this energy functions.

Arguments and fighting feeds these little nasties.

On an official note, I have deployed the modetorial shears - something I didn't expect to have to do since subscription.

Two messages have been deleted by me for the purposes of "back burning", and some edits have been made to peoples messages - not particularly pleasant work, but I felt it necessary.

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[iainl140285]

Look beyond the hype and illusion. I feel the magician is preparing his trick :lightsabre:

[MONITOR]

[QUOTE][/Regardless of MJ's innocence or otherwise, he was a part of a media machine controlled by people who like nothing more than to get people like us wound up. They know every trick in the book and it is important that we use our inner light to rise above the base levels at which this energy functions.

Arguments and fighting feeds these little nasties.

On an official note, I have deployed the modetorial shears - something I didn't expect to have to do since subscription.

Two messages have been deleted by me for the purposes of "back burning", and some edits have been made to peoples messages - not particularly pleasant work, but I felt it necessary.

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Thank you kind Anchor. Aum!:original:

[Greenberet]

David Carridine, Google Mentor, Royalty from Brazil, President of Michelin, Michael Jackson, and the list will keep going on and on..... Why are all these Famous or High Class people dying in a short amount of time??


Do they have a message that the Gov dont want them to talk..... I'm not sure,

Peace and Love.......... is the way...........

[MONITOR]

Cliff high spoke about a muscian on, "Journeys with Rebecca show"..........about a muscian similar to "Bob Marley", making an impact on society in the coming days. Could this be Michael Jackson?

[pyrangello]

I 've been catching a bit of the news in the last 12 hours, and with that getting to watch the videos with MJ songs and dance. Talented, groundbreaking, Growing up in the detroit area, listening to AM radio as a kid and the Motown sound on a small transistor radio. What a career he had, great songs and the dancing that would keep you in awe. As I got older and started hitting the clubs "Thriller " came out and all the rest. What a time, great memories and the dance floor was always packed.

Being an entertainer is a breed apart, the pressures, demands, people taking advantage , drugs, sex and booze. I once had a chance to be in the first MAD MAX film . I'm glad I turned that down as that lifestyle has many downfalls. AS talented as MJ was there were many down sides to his personal life. WE will all get the review of life one day. They said on the news this morning his current income was 13 million a month but he was still spending 30 million a month, very sad indeed. Rest in Peace MJ Thanks for all the memories , the good ones at the peak of your career. May your soul be at peace and the path of light be available to you.

[metaw3]

I think its a golden opportunity tomorrow for any western government to sneak through any unpopular legslation or something. Lets keep an eye out ;-)

Exactly what I was thinking about...

http://www.infowars.com/jackson-and-fawcett-deaths-overshadow-nwo-moves-on-liberty/



It’s like manna from heaven for the corporate media. Michael Jackson, the “King of Pop,” and Farrah Fawcett, the “It Girl,” have died on the same day. Details of these two tragic events will now dominate the media for more than a week and push vastly more important events into the shadows.

[Steve_A]

Hi MONITOR,

I would agree with you. I would also go one step further. He was never charged criminally the first time he was accused, that was a civil case, which was retracted by the accuser. I think they received a million dollars from Jackson.

If the accusation was true, the parents sold their little boys anus for money, which makes them more prostitutes than what walk along any red light district.

If it was false, I hope they are happy with their million. I'm sure it's spent by now and their conscience rests at ease (I'm sure it does).

In the criminal case against Jackson, he was found 'not guilty'.

If one wishes to argue the toss as to whether the court case was run according to law or not, that is more of a question to be directed against the legal system and not between accuser and defendant.

Was he a strange man? Sure he was! Did parents keep their kids away from him? No. Why? Because there are so many 'hangers on' and leeches in this world.

Best regards,

Steve


Michael Jackson was never convicted of child sex abuse. People are "always innocent until proven guilty". This is one of the "Universal declaration of Human Rights" we have. We are innocent until proven guilty!!!!!!! No matter were you are in this world, or who you are, nobody can take away your Human Right's. Not even if you are dead!!:original:

[cloud9]

Well, I'm surprised to see such hard feelings here. I don't condem nor I defend MJ or anybody else, I usually try to see the good en everybody because there's no such a thing as a 100% bad or good people, we all make mistakes big or small in our lifes and we are all learning.
It's not the point to talk about extremes as statues and glorification of people who had inflicted suffering unto others.
For those who feel MJ or anybody else have done wrong in this world, let's remember that NOTHING touches our soul. Feeling anger, hate, emotional pain, groudge or any "negative" feeling doesn't affect the other person, the only ones affected by it are ourselves.
If we feel we hate or can't forgive other human being, so much learning is still need it, it means we really need to work on it. It's very damaging to hold those felings and at the end, it's just a decision we make to live our lives in peace or in pain because it doesn't affect anybody else, just us. Besides, we very easy forget that we make "agreements" in the soul level to have different experiences as part of the learning process, we just don't remember.

[Sarahmay]

I think a lot of people are going to end their incarnations in the next 1.5 years--always a soul choice, and perhaps they don't want to go through the shift. I expect to see more suprising deaths of famous people who are not very old.

Michael was a very, very sensitive soul who found life to be extremely painful. He didn't cope particularly well. His androgyny was reflective of the re-emergence of the divine feminine, but it manifested in an unnatural way that made people uncomfortable. He certainly wasn't perfect, but he was both and icon and an archetype.

[Tango]

Steve,

I respectfully request that this thread be CLEANED UP or REMOVED...

I'm sooo sorry to see that mental illness is so active on this site...

attacks on other members... Judgements... Disrepect....

Yes... the distractors are doing " What They Do." disgusting in MY EYE...
They BLAME others for THEIR lives experience. They've learned Nothing
from being here [on Terra] And, 'they' picked their experience before
coming here. I guess they are going to be returning, several times.

I probably should have sent this to you in a private message...

Yes, Congress IS passing Cap N' Tax...

Please, Do your duty as assigned...... You Know:

" The longer I live, the more I realize the impact of attitude on life...
Attitude, to me, is More Important than the facts. It is more important than
the Past, than your education, than Money, than circumstances, than your
Failures, Than successes, than what other people think or say or do.
It is more Important than your appearance, giftedness or your skill...
It will make or break a company... A chruch... Even your home... The
remarkable thing is we have a Choice everyday regarding the attitude we
will embrace for that day. We cannot change Our past... We cannot change
the fact that people will act in their certain way. We cannot change the
inevitable... The only thing we can do is play on the one string we have,
and that is OUR attitude... I am CONVINCED that life is 10% what happens
to me and 90% How I react to it... And so it is with you... we are all in
charge of our attitudes." ~ Charles Swindoll


Trooly,


Tango

[Soulmate7]

Since freedom of speech is not allowed on this forum, please ban me. Thank you.

P.S.: I wouldn't wait until I force you to ban me.

[mntruthseeker]

did you just say some of us were all mentally retarded? OH BOY and I thoght I was bad LOL LOL

yep, I must be a victim of "mind control" please forgive me and my anger. I hope that there was no physical pain with what I said.

At the same time, I applaud those that DO admit their errors and correct their lives.

NO I dont blame MJ for what happened in my life......I mentioned that I had a real pain with the issues.

Apparently that pain is something that I needed to bring back into my life so I can for once put it behind me.


right now I just can't stop laughing at your bold words. YOU have attacked while you preach about others attacking

BAN me too...............

[Tango]

You don't like the writings of Charles Swindoll...?

Adjust your Attitude... Your a Victim of MK...? Retarded...? Where the
helll did that come from...? Work it people, All the attention is on YOU...? It's
NOT about YOU, Sorry... Preach...? You haven't heard anyone in Years...
Just, look at your life....!!! Michael Jackson dies, of a Demerol injection,
and YOU want attention?

It's all abt You... Right ! Oh, you will be back !!! You don't " Get It " at all.

I very much dislike detractors... Its simple... Adjust you attitude...!!!

Bann You...? That's a Cop Out... How, are you going to learn...? Only,
YOU can fix you... You, picked your experience. Just, as I picked mine.

Tango


did you just say some of us were all mentally retarded? OH BOY and I thoght I was bad LOL LOL

yep, I must be a victim of "mind control" please forgive me and my anger. I hope that there was no physical pain with what I said.

At the same time, I applaud those that DO admit their errors and correct their lives.

NO I dont blame MJ for what happened in my life......I mentioned that I had a real pain with the issues.

Apparently that pain is something that I needed to bring back into my life so I can for once put it behind me.


right now I just can't stop laughing at your bold words. YOU have attacked while you preach about others attacking

BAN me too...............

[Dantheman62]

Since freedom of speech is not allowed on this forum, please ban me. Thank you.

P.S.: I wouldn't wait until I force you to ban me.
Freedom of speech is fine, but you don't need to cut down other members.

[burgundia]

I am very surprised that anybody here would hate anybody here or there...
And rejoicing that somebody died? MJ wasn't a serial killer or a ruthless dictator... there are so many more people in this world that did much more harm...
But I am really astonished that hateful people feel well in Avalon and want to stick around...

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Wow I walked into a **** storm here.....lighten up everyone!

If you are being 'triggered' by mere words look inside to why that is happening.

Words do not have that effect on me so it's kinda funny to watch.

Everyone has the right to feel what they feel.

Until we have walked in anothers shoes we don't know who they really are anyway. Geeez I don't even fully know who I am yet!

My opinion of MJ is he did have a hard life. He like to hang around with kids because, who wouldn't? kids are awesome. He lived in Neverland what does that say, he had a Peter Pan energy about him that was innocent and kind, although I don't know him and I don't know how his life really was I wish him the very best as a kindred soul who gave us a piece of himself.

The rest, the persona, what the media and the courts fed to us, well whatever, look into your hearts.

[Steve_A]

UPDATE:

This is a very fluid moment, I have found out that the doctor treating Jackson has not got a license to work in that State.

He tried to give CPR on a BED, when the proper treatment needs to done on the floor as the floor is hard.

It would be interesting to see if Jacksons body has bruising around the chest cavity area or even broken ribs, which would be consistent with attempts at CPR.

Jackson was highly insured for these gigs in London. He had to have a medical exame for this insurance which tends to play down the back injury he suffered.

As I mentioned earlier, Jackson was already dead when the paramedics arrived to take him away, however the 'doctor' continued to apply CPR all the way to and inside the hospital, in spite of the fact that the ten minutes lapse time passed by well before the paramedics arrived.

Am I smelling a rat here? Was the doctor so bad that it was a case of mal practice? Was there something more sinister going on? After all Jackson was worth more dead than alive.

Could it be that the doctor found Jackson already in an unconcious state? Could it be that Jackson ODed using his own medications?

Post mortem and toxicology results along with peoples behaviour may shed a light on all of this.

When I get more news I will post again.




Hi Metaphor,

I suspect something, however I have a different take on it than Ian2day on the David Icke forum.

I could be forgiven in thinking that he commited suicide by overdose and when the paramedics found him, he was already in a lightly dead state (beleive it or not but there are states of 'dead').

This time the paramedics couldn't bring him back and he died on the way to the hospital.

Why would he commit suicide? Well I think he suffered from Peter Pan syndrome, wanting to always e a child. This would explain his behaviour with slumber parties and Never Land etc.

I also thought that he could have 'lost his bottle' when it comes to stage appearances. This is very common amongst artists, there's one ex - artist who is writing here that stopped performing because of his age (however didn't suffer from Peter Pan syndrome), so I can totally understand why he cancelled the London gigs this year, as normally you prepare the event before selling the tickets. I think he needed the money and lost his bottle to perform.

All of this together with the fact that he was 50 years of age he must have felt really tired and drained, what with all the negative press, so called friends leaving or sueing him etc. It would have left him feeling old, what Peter Pan syndromers don't want, lonely, isolated and realising everything was coming to an end.

Of course it could just have been a cardiac arrest.... a post mortem will tell.

Best regards,

Steve

[waitinginthewings]

Steve_A.......do you think we will actually get the truth, or just spin?

[Jack]

MICHAEL JACKSON HAS DIED!

Karma's a b*tch.

O.k. Heres a few things. This thread was not put together by a person with the intent of having an anti Michael Jackson slander party. He is someones brother, someones son and someones daddy. If someone came on here and started saying sh.t like that about your family or anyone elses for that matter and i would petition to have their ass banned.

Have some respect. If not for yourself then the people on this forum. Free speach is bs. You have no right to talk about another human being like that when you dont know the facts. Its because of this kind of attitude earth isnt even going down the sh.tter its in the tank.


Ye fan of Michael. I used to go to a concert. I saws, I will repeat that. I'm happy he died and I hope he suffered.

Your a very nice human being.



I used to be a him like 5 meters distance. I defended him when the first reports of child molesting came in. I thought people were taking advantage of his fortune.
Until the day I saw him hand in hand with his last victim. I can see a lot in the eyes of a person. He was ... horny!


A spiritual person would not say that. And the people who are here to take this world out of the gutter dont want people like you on their team.



Let's forgive Hitler, Bush, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot. Let's build a statue for Ted Bundy, Henri Kissinger and Marc Dutroux. While we're at it, let's commercialize pedophily. Let's make it a day of forgiveness for all the filth that has happened in the past. This world is ready for this.

We had solid evidence for Hitler, Bush, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot. All they have for Jackson is some poor families trying to find an easy way out of poverty. If you were anyways a spiritual person witch a caring heart you would know that he is innocence. He went through hypnosis into a state where he could not possibly lie and he proved his case when the questions were asked.
Since freedom of speech is not allowed on this forum, please ban me. Thank you.

P.S.: I wouldn't wait until I force you to ban me.

Freedom of speach is good. Freedom of infringing on other peoples lives with your negative vibes is not.



If i could push a button id have you banned right now.

Excuse any bad words guys, anyone whos old enough to know whats going on in this world is old enough to hear the odd sh.t word thrown in here and there.

[J_rod7]

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Prophecies and Predictions
by Eduard A. Meier, 1958

32.) And the religions and sects shake in rage because the believers who finally want to utilize the truth run away from them, yet the fiery traps of the religious power plays of the religions and sects grasp after the young people in order to burn them in the flames of religious fanaticism and make them incapable of escape.

33.) So young people want to protect themselves from the lies and false teaching of the religions and sects, as their ghastly rage, with which they gather believers around themselves with lies and deceit, will know no bounds.

34.) Already now, and first properly in the Third Millennium, the human knows deep within himself that he must not utilize religions and sects, rather the effective truth, the Creational truth, as well as the Creational Laws and Directives, yet although he hears the voice of truth in himself, he does not want to hear it, because he will be tormented by religious angst and cannot free himself from his religious or sectarian belief because he expects divine punishment for that, were he to do that.

35.) And if the human seeks the effective truth he will be misled and deceived, because in the Third Millennium, even more than in the Second, there will be innumerable sectarians who ply a lucrative trade with their delusional false teachings and make horrendous profits from them.

41.) The morals of very many people will completely sink, whereby many villages and every city will be a Sodom and Gomorrah as the prostitution of adults and children takes on completely boundless forms.

42.) Many young people will, in every form and manner, deteriorate to extremism in everyday life as well as in their professional life, whereby drug, medication, alcohol and narcotic addiction take the upper hand.

75.) Many children will have no father or mother because they divorced or disappeared unrecognized, because they do not want to be a father or mother or live in a marriage, because the order and tradition of a good and functional family will be lost, as also the laws of marriage will have no more value, as if the human had become wild again.

76.) And as already happens, it will also be that in the future and more and more, fathers will sexually abuse their daughters, young and old pedophiles sexually offend against children, women of every age are raped, shamed and murdered - not seldom in all openness and all over the world as a result of common and ever increasing sex-tourism.

77.) Men will rape men, and women, women, and children go to the highest bidder through their own parents, relatives, or, through child abductors, rented or sold to the highest bidder.

110.) In times to come people will be less and less satisfied with their own bodies, and so they will allow all kinds of operations on themselves in order to be better proportioned and more beautiful, as they themselves imagine, whereby however the entire business damages their health and not seldom leads to mutilations, or even death.

133.) As since time immemorial the Earth human still will not know for a long time into the Third Millennium why he lives and dies, what death means, and reincarnation and birth, because, as since time immemorial, he will wave his arms senselessly, futilely seeking the truth of Creation and its laws and directives, because, as since earliest times, he hangs onto religions and sects that bring him to whimpering like small children.

138.) The truth of Creation and its laws and directives, as well as the teachings of spirit and teachings of life, will be spread loud and strong and worldwide, yet the Earth human will not hear them, because only few, who pursue reason and understanding, will utilize the great teachings, while all the others want more and more possessions, and indulge in phantasms which they have arranged in their heads, spurred on through bad and false prophets in religious and sectarian matters.

139.) And the time will be long before all this all comes to pass, a long time into the Third Millennium - long, 800 years long, because, first then, the seeds of the teachings of the spirit, the teachings of Creation and its laws and directives, as well as the teachings of life, will slowly begin to germinate in the mass of humankind, because they slowly open their eyes and ears, and honestly begin to seek the actual truth.

140.) The humans of the Earth will listen and hear the prophets' teachings, then finally, they will open their eyes to see and learn to understand one another, and each would know that when one person is beaten or injured with words, that the other perceives the pain.

141.) It will be the time when, out of humanity, people become one, and understand that each is a smaller part of the neighbor, and only unity gives strength, and neither skin color, nor belief, rather, only commonality and effective truth regarding Creation and its laws and directives are of significance.

145.) And in distant times it will be that humans talk reasonably and respectfully with one another and they will accept the old messages of the true prophets because their thoughts and feelings will be open for one another, and the consciousness and the psyche will be balanced.

146.) And in distant times it will be that the people will be many times older than they are in today's time in the year 1958, because their age will be hundreds of years.

147.) And in distant times it will be that the people recognize the power of their consciousness and learn the things that the true prophets knew and which were kept hidden as a secret until now, so they will open one door after another and gain monstrous cognitions, knowledge and wisdom about the truth of Creation and its laws and directives, in order therewith to use and develop the powers of their consciousness.

148.) And in distant times it will be that the people finally find their way out of their dark labyrinth and will find sublime life bubbling again like a clear spring.

149.) And in distant times it will be that the people relearn and adopt the teachings of the spirit, the teachings of Creation and the extent of its directives and laws, and the teachings of life, and will be knowing, and parents will again raise their children and instruct them in the teachings of truth so that they understand life, dying, death, reincarnation and birth, as well as Earth and the heavens.

150.) And in distant times it will be that the human will become greater in stature and more skillful, and the powers of his consciousness will encompass everything, and he also will possess everything that he wants to have.

151.) And in distant times it will be that the man alone will no longer be the ruling power, because from then on the woman will steer the fate of the world and humanity as true mother of the Earth, because she will wield her scepter over the man and break his imperiousness, tyranny, power-lust and addiction to war, in order to end the times of ugly masculine barbarism, and nip in the bud man's devilish and murderous and high-handed acts, in order to finally allow peace on Earth.

152.) And in distant times it will be that true love wakes in Earth humans and this will be shared with all, whereby the existence transmutes in an easy time, and long cherished dreams and wishes become reality, while the evolution of the consciousness grasps possession of all people, whereby enters the true end of barbarism.

153.) And in distant times it will be that religious and sectarian belief will no longer be of validity, but rather only the pure truth of Creation and the extent of its laws, whereby the happy days of humankind begin, and the person will find people again, and recognize and honor them as equals.

http://www.theyfly.com/lost/meier.prophecies.1958.htm

Truth must come before Peace

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[J_rod7]

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The post of the "Prophecies and Predictions" was made as I searched for supporting writings for Reincarnation.

I became "sidetracked" by the power of these words written by Billy. This was extracted from an original letter which he wrote to all the Governments on Earth in 1958. As I was reading, I was struck by the profound insights into future events which he wrote 51-years ago. He gave precise dates for Space exploration dates, for the advent of the Internet, for the Wars in Iraq - even naming Bush & son as lead-perpetrators, and much more - about things not even "on the horizon" in 1958. Truly, an amazing piece, which you all are encouraged to read in full context.

Well, to finish with my original thoughts: Everyone of us WILL REINCARNATE INTO NEW LIVES. We all have already passed through many countless lives in "the past," and we will all live many more lives again "in the future" on this Earth. The condition we leave the Earth in from THIS life will be shaped by the decisions we all make NOW, and will become the Earth of our "future" lives. So, what do we want the Earth to be when we next come back? Turn it in that direction in this life.

Truth must come before Peace

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[Tango]

OK.... Back to the subject, The Real Subject... " Michael..."

Got this in email, Lisa Marie Presley; My Space entry...

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=42291868&blogId=497035326

You did know that Michael Jackson, drank diet Pepsi, which multiplys the
pharmaceuticals... Aspartame; another killer


Trooly,


Tango

[J_rod7]

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Hi Tango,

I just finished reading that letter from Lisa Marie Presley. She does speak from the Heart. Thank you for that link.

What is disturbing, that she says she tried to "save him" from the inevitable path he chose for himself. HE made the choices, knowing 14-years before that it would lead to his death. He WANTED to be done with this life, and used strong painkillers to bring the end upon himself. No one can "save" any other from their chosen path. MJ was in such DEEP psychic / mental anguish, that he was beyond any reasonableness for any other course.

That will be one of many lessons which may move his Spiritual Evolution forward. May his next life be more peaceful, a life of contemplation, that the Spirit may regain strength, that he may yet share a brighter Light.

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[Carmen]

Thankyou for posting the Billy Meier prophesies J rod7. They are truly what is happening now. I am focusing on the last part of the prophesies which are full of hope and light.

Love and Light

Carmen

[J_rod7]

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Thank you Carmen,

For you, and for any who may have "missed" this, a repeat of this one small piece:

151.) And in distant times it will be that the man alone will no longer be the ruling power, because from then on the woman will steer the fate of the world and humanity as true mother of the Earth, because she will wield her scepter over the man and break his imperiousness, tyranny, power-lust and addiction to war, in order to end the times of ugly masculine barbarism, and nip in the bud man's devilish and murderous and high-handed acts, in order to finally allow peace on Earth.

Love and Blessings

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[mntruthseeker]

Doesn't matter now. He's dead.

Unfortunate and it goes to show that no matter how much people idolize other people, the folks they idolize are not immortal or indestructible.


How sad it is that if people do not think as you do .............are wrong. Yes it matters what he did in his life as the world is honoring a sex offender/ pedofile and drug addict............nice guy though cause he was "mind controlled" so it wasnt his fault. You sound brain washed ! and blinded by who knows what. I refuse to shut my eyes to his CRIMES.

OH wait per tango, it wasnt the drugs that killed him, it was the pepsi...........asparagus...........oh most addicts survive on sugar.


Well I want you all to know I am not mentally challanged or retarded

I am a woman that knows where her heart is and it will never be for any one that forces a child to have unwanted sex, Never with anyone that beats a spouse or child. Never with anyone who thinks it is their "given right" to live that sort of life due to their "status" of pop star, athlete, movie star, president or what ever it may be.

Oh and one more thing before I go.............this is not about my life experiences, its about the victims that SUFFER under these selfish people that think they have a right to do what they want.

You Tango and Humble Janitor need to look within yourself to get your priorities turned around and think of someone other than yourself. We all have a right to speak our minds regardless of what you two may think.

I'm sick of listening to you crying over Obama too, he is not who you think he is, he is a murderer of his 3 gay lovers and a crack addict. He is not a citizen and does not deserve to be in power as he is evil. He is trying to destroy our world with the rest of the evilness that have been our past presidents. Some day you will grow up and see this for yourself.

I hope you both wake up and realize it soon. Oh and don't be angry now or you will be playing right into their game.

I feel better now knowing another child has been saved ! Thank you God

[Anchor]

6 more posts deleted.

This is not a free speech issue. It is about respect. Since this forum was formed, one of the first rules was no personal attacks, and any posts that do that (or fan the flames of the ensuing flamewar) are subject to modification or removal.

A..

[waitinginthewings]

Who would have thought that the death of a man, whom some seem to despise would have activated such deep emotions...........time to look in the mirror, time for reflection, time for healing the heart.:sad:

[J_rod7]

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Minnesota Truthseeker,

Honest pain is not meant to be endured for a lifetime, only for a short time from which we all must eventually be healed.

There is the "old" saying = "Forgive and Forget"

Well, i would rather a "new saying" to state = Forgive YES, Forget NO. This may be better "advice" for Healing and Spiritual Growth.


http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z299/Samarkis/Bridge1.jpg

Be at Peace in your True Heart.

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[Orion11]

I'm sick of listening to you crying over Obama too, he is not who you think he is, he is a murderer of his 3 gay lovers and a crack addict. He is not a citizen and does not deserve to be in power as he is evil. He is trying to destroy our world

let me guess...

you're the woman who posted the youtube video of the
"sprinkler rainbow conspiracy "..
right?

lol

This thread is basically garbage now,
thanks to the children who never learned respect for each other.

Im thinking about making my own "BAN me now request"
just so i wont be compelled to come here anymore and listen to this fake bs.
seriously.

got that ban button handy yet, Jack? Anchor? lol

ohh, niice pic j rod.
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[Carol]

When I first heard of MJ's death I was shocked. My next feeling was one of sadness for his children. Irrespective of his flaws he was a great entertainer and a father - who was loved by his children and fans.

It appears that he died from the combination of meds he was on which is also sad because it was preventable had his meds been monitored correctly. However, his death also does not talke away from how he lived his life along with the positive and negative impact it had on others. It would not surprise me if he had been molested as a child and his own aberrent behavior resulted from his own victimization.

At this point all we can really do is pray for his soul and for his family. I would hope others step back and regard his death as a time of personal reflection. I know in the past I was very angry about his sexually abusive behaviour toward children. I too had listened to family members talk and read transcripts of his testimony. Later it seemed that he did pay emotionally for some of negative aspects of what he did.

One can only speculate as to the seeds of karma sown or reaped.

The time of anger is in the past. I'm sorry about his passing and saddened as his was a life that ended abruptly.

However, I do wish to comment on some very destructive behavior I've seen by some of the forum's members. I've observed a pattern of emotional attack against others when opinions or points of view differ. I cannot begin to tell you how many complaints come to us regarding this type of behavior and frequently those that send complaints to us are also guilty of the very same type of behavior toward their fellow members. Personal attacks have driven off numerous good members who just refuse to put up with destructive forum interactions any longer. It is one thing to offer up an opinion about some subject and quite another to go on the attack of another member.

Take a look at the stats. The forum's numbers keep dwindling and this back biting has been an ongoing problem long before the subscription system went in. It needs to stop.

Soulmate7 asked to be banned and is now no longer here. If folks can't even get along on a forum how on earth do you expect to get along in real life when the stressors are exacerbated a 100 fold. The times ahead are similar to being cast into a swirling sea. Survival is dependent upon working together - not tearing one another apart.

The Nexus thread is a great example of how to interact with one another.

I'm also aware that forums tend to be a place where people often work out unresolved emotional issues. Yet this forum is also suppose to be a safe haven. Please feel free to share your experience, your opinion, your inspiriation - and refrain from creating discord with fellow members. :thumb_yello:

[Tango]

All very large performances must be insured... Each Concert....

Could it be that someone is looking to collect on such insurance policies...?

Demerol, has to build up in the body to cause seizures. He could have been
given a Hot Shot... Some, that are mean and greedy could have delivered
a Hot Shot... How would the doctor know...? Demerol normally comes in
tubex 25; 50; 75; 100 mg... Any nurses here for confirmation...? First the
breathing stops... Then the heart stops... The being doesn't know they are
going to pass as they are asleep... I don't think Michael knew he was leaving...

Money... Makes people do things...

Carol... Do you want me to ' Back Off '...?

Trooly,


Tango

[Steve_A]

Hi Tango,

Crikey, not likely! You are spot on about Demorol.

The thing is though that the heart stops because there is no more oxygen in the body due to the stoppage of breathing.

There is an antedote called Narcan which should always be at hand and the doctor would have known this if he was a cardiologist.

But I ask, as I did in another thread about the death of Jackson, is why the doctor didn't take Jackson to hospital in his own car? The hospital was not all that far away and he could have called ahead to let an emergency team know that he was arriving.

One time I had an emergency with a child and that is what I did. Instead of waiting tfor an ambulance to arrive, I took the kid in my car and phoned to tell the ER I was arriving, and they were ready when I got there!

You added a nice piece of information for my hypothesis of reasons to kill. When the insurance was taken out, Jackson had to go through a complete medical. He was thin, frail, 50 years old, and was wanting to be insured for a grueling 50 shows in a short space of time, after being a couch potato for some years!

I would love to know if the guy who signed the contract is still in his job!! :D

Still, we will find out in the end...... or will we?

Best regards,

Steve


All very large performances must be insured... Each Concert....

Could it be that someone is looking to collect on such an insurance policy...?

Demerol, has to build up in the body to cause seizures. He could have been
given a Hot Shot... Some, that are mean and greedy could have delivered
a Hot Shot... How would the doctor know...? Demerol normally comes in
tubex 25; 50; 75; 100 mg... Any nurses here for confirmation...? First the
breathing stops... Then the heart stops... The being doesn't know they are
going to pass as they are asleep... I don't think Michael knew he was leaving...

Money... Makes people do things...

Carol... Do you want me to ' Back Off '...?

Trooly,


Tango

[Orion11]

Carol: I cannot begin to tell you how many complaints come to us regarding this type of behavior and frequently those that send complaints to us are also guilty of the very same type of behavior toward their fellow members.

Guilty,
I messed up and did it just the other day. ( a couple of times, mind you) :sweatdrop:

My apologies.

from now on..
if someones frequency is that of a negative nature here..
I will do my best to keep my big yap closed and keep my own demons suppressed and hungry.

as we all know by now...
i often have problems with keeping my mouth closed.
and i am still not quite the human i strive to be, so i slip up sometimes.

apologies again for feeding negativity with negativity.

and p.s... I think the moderators we have now.....
far surpass the kindness and loving nature of some we had in the beginning.
nice to see.


thanks.

:wub2:

[Tango]

Steve,

Maybe, I should have gone into moore detail abt what I was saying...

example: Let's say that Michael was taking 50 mg. and a tubex was loaded
with 100 mg. or moore, but in a tubex marked as a 50.... Yes, I'm familiar
w/Narcan and how is works... [I've been highly trained on class 1-5's and higher]
control substances. The doc would Not have known the difference
the being would go to sleep as they normally will. Doc checks his pt.
after let's say 15-20 min. AND he is Not breathing... It's already tooo late.

If it was Me investigating... I'd secure every tubex... test the contents
for strength of Demerol (Now remember same amount of fluid in each tubex
container) I'd also want to test the discarded tubex as there should be som
left in the needle... Medical professionals are trusting would have just loaded
the tubex in the dispenser.... I'd secure Everything; lock it down tight...
I'd also check the source of the meds. You would only need one Hot tubex
in the box; You know how they're packaged; you have to break the tab for
each tubex removed... Got to think like a perp. I'd want to test that needle

Also, the Doc was from Vegas. Source of meds. probably Apria or som
other provider... Not going to find That in the local pharmacy.

50 concerts; I had No Idea it was that many... Now, it's even more
likely.


Trooly,


Tango




Hi Tango,

Crikey, not likely! You are spot on about Demorol.

The thing is though that the heart stops because there is no more oxygen in the body due to the stoppage of breathing.

There is an antedote called Narcan which should always be at hand and the doctor would have known this if he was a cardiologist.

But I ask, as I did in another thread about the death of Jackson, is why the doctor didn't take Jackson to hospital in his own car? The hospital was not all that far away and he could have called ahead to let an emergency team know that he was arriving.

One time I had an emergency with a child and that is what I did. Instead of waiting tfor an ambulance to arrive, I took the kid in my car and phoned to tell the ER I was arriving, and they were ready when I got there!

You added a nice piece of information for my hypothesis of reasons to kill. When the insurance was taken out, Jackson had to go through a complete medical. He was thin, frail, 50 years old, and was wanting to be insured for a grueling 50 shows in a short space of time, after being a couch potato for some years!

I would love to know if the guy who signed the contract is still in his job!! :D

Still, we will find out in the end...... or will we?

Best regards,

Steve

[Carol]

Tango - no need. Your comments are interesting to read and not personally attacking anyone. It would be interesting to note what did happen with the doc as he did flee. And it would be worth while to check out the other items you identified just to rule out foul play.

Personally, I thought MJ not in the best of health and his preparing for the upcoming concert must have been exhausting for him. In addition, after years of drug use (as in pain killers) who knows what toll that took on his body over the years. I would hope his death is not related to foul play but more along the lines of negligence by himself or perhaps the doc who was trying to help him. Indeed, I truly feel sorry for the doc involved as his life will never be the same again given the anger that the fans are now generating. They are likely looking for someone to blame and the doc is just a wee bit too handy a scapegoat if he was really monitoring the situation with an astute eye.

[BROOK]

Guilty,
I messed up and did it just the other day. ( a couple of times, mind you) :sweatdrop:

My apologies.

from now on..
if someones frequency is that of a negative nature here..
I will do my best to keep my big yap closed and keep my own demons suppressed and hungry.

as we all know by now...
i often have problems with keeping my mouth closed.
and i am still not quite the human i strive to be, so i slip up sometimes.

apologies again for feeding negativity with negativity.

and p.s... I think the moderators we have now.....
far surpass the kindness and loving nature of some we had in the beginning.
nice to see.


thanks.

:wub2:

Ditto...I'm guilty of the same...I will try to tone it down in the future. We all need to work together to get all the information shared here out to the world. If we are being negative, it will come across.
Mods are doing a great job :thumb_yello:

Just don't expect me to say anything positive about Cheney or Bush :mad3: :tongue2:

[Tango]

[deleted as off topic]

[Orion11]

I'm working on it... I'm told on every meditation
I need to work on having compassion...


"I kinda lose it" ....I, me, my people really
get under MY skin...

i know the feeling, man.

lots to learn. lol :wub2:

[Tango]

Even if he was monitoring as normal... And, Narcan was available...

Again, I'd test that needle... Brain cultures needed... Sample of the
injection site if IM; IV may be even more troubling...

50 concerts insured for the average revenue intake....

Yep... I'd keep that body in a locked vault... [under armed guard]...

I'd also get the absolulate BEST pathologist in the world... Not an LA
County Path. That body is worth billions for evidence...

Will we ever really know the truth... Highly unlikely...

I'd want to check the investors of the concerts. Business' invested in...
pharmaceutical manufacturing investing would set off bells for me.

It ' could ' be Moore profitable for the concerts Not to happen... Isn't that
truely sad... Its been done before...

Trooly,

Tango



Tango - no need. Your comments are interesting to read and not personally attacking anyone. It would be interesting to note what did happen with the doc as he did flee. And it would be worth while to check out the other items you identified just to rule out foul play.

Personally, I thought MJ not in the best of health and his preparing for the upcoming concert must have been exhausting for him. In addition, after years of drug use (as in pain killers) who knows what toll that took on his body over the years. I would hope his death is not related to foul play but more along the lines of negligence by himself or perhaps the doc who was trying to help him. Indeed, I truly feel sorry for the doc involved as his life will never be the same again given the anger that the fans are now generating. They are likely looking for someone to blame and the doc is just a wee bit too handy a scapegoat if he was really monitoring the situation with an astute eye.

[Tango]

[Deleted as off Topic]

[Orion11]

Figured id add a little love to this thread..

Words for everyone.. even the hateful. :wub2:

Words that i believe could not come from anyone other than a very bright, enlightened , truly loving soul.

im not a "huge fan" , but growing up he was one of my favorite people ever.

so here are some meaningful words ive come across of his.
they may also bring some understanding , who knows? lol
<3

In Our Darkest Hour
In My Deepest Despair
Will You Still Care?
Will You Be There?
In My Trials
And My Tribulations
Through Our Doubts
And Frustrations
In My Violence
In My Turbulence
Through My Fear
And My Confessions
In My Anguish And My Pain
Through My Joy And My Sorrow
In The Promise Of Another Tomorrow
Ill Never Let You Part
For Youre Always In My Heart

Have you seen my Childhood?
I'm searching for the world that I come from
'Cause I've been looking around
In the lost and found of my heart...
No one understands me
They view it as such strange eccentricities...
'Cause I keep kidding around
Like a child, but pardon me...

People say I'm not okay
'Cause I love such elementary things...
It's been my fate to compensate,
For the Childhood
I've never known...

Have you seen my Childhood?
I'm searching for that wonder in my youth
Like pirates in adventurous dreams,
Of conquest and kings on the throne...

Before you judge me, try hard to love me,
Look within your heart then ask,
Have you seen my Childhood?

People say I'm strange that way
'Cause I love such elementary things,
It's been my fate to compensate,
For the Childhood I've never known...

Have you seen my Childhood?
I'm searching for that wonder in my youth
Like fantastical stories to share
The dreams I would dare, watch me fly...

Before you judge me, try hard to love me.
The painful youth I've had

Have you seen my Childhood...

What about sunrise
What about rain
What about all the things
That you said we were to gain...
What about killing fields
Is there a time
What about all the things
That you said was yours and mine...
Did you ever stop to notice
All the blood we've she'd before
Did you ever stop to notice
The crying Earth the weeping shores?


What have we done to the world
Look what we've done
What about all the peace
That you pledge your only son...
What about flowering fields
Is there a time
What about all the dreams
That you said was yours and mine...
Did you ever stop to notice
All the children dead from war
Did you ever stop to notice
The crying Earth the weeping shores

I used to dream
I used to glance beyond the stars
Now I don't know where we are
Although I know we've drifted far

Hey, what about yesterday
(What about us)
What about the seas
(What about us)
The heavens are falling down
(What about us)
I can't even breathe
(What about us)
What about apathy
(What about us)
I need you
(What about us)
What about nature's worth
(ooo, ooo)
It's our planet's womb
(What about us)
What about animals
(What about it)
We've turned kingdoms to dust
(What about us)
What about elephants
(What about us)
Have we lost their trust
(What about us)
What about crying whales
(What about us)
We're ravaging the seas
(What about us)
What about forest trails
(ooo, ooo)
Burnt despite our pleas
(What about us)
What about the holy land
(What about it)
Torn apart by creed
(What about us)
What about the common man
(What about us)
Can't we set him free
(What about us)
What about children dying
(What about us)
Can't you hear them cry
(What about us)
Where did we go wrong
(ooo, ooo)
Someone tell me why
(What about us)
What about babies
(What about it)
What about the days
(What about us)
What about all their joy
(What about us)
What about the man
(What about us)
What about the crying man
(What about us)
What about Abraham
(What was us)
What about death again
(ooo, ooo)
Do we give a damn


There's A Place In
Your Heart
And I Know That It Is Love
And This Place Could
Be Much
Brighter Than Tomorrow
And If You Really Try
You'll Find There's No Need
To Cry
In This Place You'll Feel
There's No Hurt Or Sorrow

There Are Ways
To Get There
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Little Space
Make A Better Place...

Heal The World
Make It A Better Place
For You And For Me
And The Entire Human Race
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me

If You Want To Know Why
There's A Love That
Cannot Lie
Love Is Strong
It Only Cares For
Joyful Giving
If We Try
We Shall See
In This Bliss
We Cannot Feel
Fear Or Dread
We Stop Existing And
Start Living

Then It Feels That Always
Love's Enough For
Us Growing
So Make A Better World
Make A Better World...

Heal The World
Make It A Better Place
For You And For Me
And The Entire Human Race
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me

And The Dream We Were
Conceived In
Will Reveal A Joyful Face
And The World We
Once Believed In
Will Shine Again In Grace
Then Why Do We Keep
Strangling Life
Wound This Earth
Crucify it's Soul
Though It's Plain To See
This World Is Heavenly
Be God's Glow

We Could Fly So High
Let Our Spirits Never Die
In My Heart
I Feel You Are All
My Brothers
Create A World With
No Fear
Together We'll Cry
Happy Tears
See The Nations Turn
Their Swords
Into Plowshares

We Could Really Get There
If You Cared Enough
For The Living
Make A Little Space
To Make A Better Place...

Heal The World
Make It A Better Place
For You And For Me
And The Entire Human Race
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me

Heal The World
Make It A Better Place
For You And For Me
And The Entire Human Race
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me

Heal The World
Make It A Better Place
For You And For Me
And The Entire Human Race
There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me

There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me

There Are People Dying
If You Care Enough
For The Living
Make A Better Place
For You And For Me


Some people say
I live in a fantasy
Because I see the world
Differently
Visions come to me
In my sleep
I closed my eyes
To see what God is showing me

Close your eyes
And imagine with me
See the wonder
In every living thing
If we can live our lives
The way it is in my dreams
Love will take us to a place where
God can be seen

This is my dream

I have this dream
This i believe
The world a place for all humanity
If we could take love to it's highest level
More than the world has ever seen
I have this dream

Verse 2

Let's put Gods love opn display
Angel of love come my way
It really up to you and me
One world together in harmony

In my dream I see heaven
And the face of the one perfect being
I see people turning into angels
And God giving them their wings

This is my dream

Chorus

I have this dream
This I believe
The world's a place
For all humanity

If we could take love
To it's highest level
More than the world has ever seen
I have this dream

Michael Jackson.
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8434/moonwalkerfrontay2.jpg

[Humble Janitor]

6 more posts deleted.

This is not a free speech issue. It is about respect. Since this forum was formed, one of the first rules was no personal attacks, and any posts that do that (or fan the flames of the ensuing flamewar) are subject to modification or removal.

A..

I saw one of those posts quoted.

I'm really disappointed in this place.

Then again, those with unorthodox opinions and feelings will meet resistance no matter where they go. I am used to traveling that road. ;)

[Angel in Disguise]

And the company who organised Jackson's forthcoming London tour have today said Dr Murray was on their payroll. This statement can be found in this article... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2504175/Michael-Jacksons-daily-drugs-cocktail.html

[Orion11]

well said Humble.

@ MnTruthseeker~ that is where my distasteful comment came in.

My little comment on the rainbow video was not serious
and i apologize for it...
I am sorry.

It was more of a "joke"
albeit a bad one,

i did it because
The 'theories" or accusations, if you rather
that you threw out there about obama
(who, for the record... i am not a big fan of)

were completely hearsay
and until facts can be presented
is more just wild poo tossed around on the net,

i found it hard to believe
that someone would actually just up and believe something like that with no proof.

The "sprinkler rainbow conspiracy" video i mentioned..

i mentioned because the woman in it,
was saying absolutely crazy things like that
only much worse. lol

things like.. " the rainbow from her sprinkler (aka light refraction), was a huge conspiracy caused by poisons and toxins and how very very strange it was to see a rainbow in her backyard, with the sun shining and sprinkler going".

lots of crazy crazy stuff....
that makes actual truthseekers look like they are all absolutely insane.

so,
to be honest..
it was more of a weak, cheap insult
that i take back,
if youll allow me to ? lol


i spoke in that thread,
of people being children and not knowing how to respect each other,
while at the same exact time, my own hypocrisy surfaced and i did the exact same thing i was talking down upon.

truly, my apologies.

But "reason" and "logic" are both absolutely crucial in this field if we "truthers" want to be taken even semi-seriously.

:wub2:

[Tango]

Thank you...... Can you hear that BELL.....

That body has value for the truth... Honesty...

Now, It needs to be all tied together using physical hard evidence...
Not, heresay.... documented... contracts... order for the meds.
Controls have to be logged; signed for on DEA form no. 222's, lot number
of the box... [batch] down to the smallest detail. All this may take two
years to gather all the needed evidence. probably more bodies are going
to turn up, out of the blue of others connected.

Trooly,


Tango


And the company who organised Jackson's forthcoming London tour have today said Dr Murray was on their payroll. This statement can be found in this article... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2504175/Michael-Jacksons-daily-drugs-cocktail.html

[Anchor]

How about I split this thread? We can peel off the Obama stuff into a new thread if you want (or merge it with one of the other ones that are around on this forum).

A..


[ok did it, go here http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=148472&postcount=3]

[metaw3]

The "sprinkler rainbow conspiracy" video i mentioned..



LOL Hilarious one... http://failblog.org/2008/09/08/conspiracy-fail/

[Orion11]

How about I split this thread? We can peel off the Obama stuff into a new thread if you want (or merge it with one of the other ones that are around on this forum).

A..


meh, :zip:


lol

:mfr_lol: metaw.. it is pretty hilarious... if not sad. lol

[Orion11]

Tango... dood....

Just because another topic gets brought up in a thread on another topic..

Does not always mean that there is someone sinister behind it trying to intentionally distract everyone.

sure it happens, we know.

and when it really happens,
its not really difficult to tell..

But doing it everytime someones mind wanders off in a particular thread..
thats just like adding more conspiracies to conspiracies about conspiracies. lol

really though, no?
/|\

[BROOK]

Okay..I'm getting the feeling we need a little....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojpbOJjrGBQ

:wub2:

[Humble Janitor]

The love sure as heck isn't here. :(

[peaceandlove]

Michael Jackson promoters struggle to insure London concerts

Promoters behind Michael Jackson's sell-out run at the O2 arena have not yet been able to arrange a full cancellation policy with insurers, and the company could face millions in losses if the star fails to complete his 50-day schedule.

By Jamie Dunkley and Rowena Mason
Published: 6:36PM GMT 13 Mar 2009

AEG Live, which organised the star's programme starting in July, said the company is "still negotiating" with insurers, but insisted it is willing to take on the risk of Jackson falling ill.

Insurance sources told trade magazine Reinsurance that the appetite to cover the risk was low after the schedule was extended from an initial 10 days.

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They said concerns existed over the 50-year-old's health and the gruelling seven-month run.

The company is understood to have managed to secure cover for the first 10 dates, worth about £80m, with the additional dates likely to take the policy towards £300m.

Randy Phillips, chief executive of AEG Live, said the company would be willing to self-insure for the shows to go ahead, but he played down health concerns.

"The insurance brokers sent doctors and they spend five hours with him, taking blood tests. He's a vegetarian, he's in great shape. The insurance cover, we are working on that now," he said.

"But we would be prepared to self-insure to make up the dates. It's a risk we're willing to take to bring the King of Pop to his fans."

The insurance deal is being brokered by Robertson Taylor who refused to comment.
Sales of Jackson's greatest hits album, King Of Pop, have also shown a four-fold increase at HMV stores.

SOURCE: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/insurance/4987156/Michael-Jackson-promoters-struggle-to-insure-London-concerts.html

[peaceandlove]

I've never seen this before, was up on yahoo when I returned home tonight.

Prisoners Of Love: The New "Thriller" Re-enactment

Posted Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:41pm PDT by Billy Altman in Stop The Presses!

Talk about deja view all over again.

Earlier today, the 1,500 orange-jumpsuit-clad inmates of the Cebu Provincial Detention & Rehabilitation Center on the east coast of Cebu Island in the Philippines reprised their phenomenally popular 2007 viral performance of Michael Jackson's "Thriller" in tribute to the King Of Pop, who died Thursday.

Video (0:46): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A98vsWsjT8&feature=player_embedded

The original four-minute Web-smash video, you may recall, stemmed from an experimental program started by local security consultant Byron Garcia, which added synchronized dancing to the prison's exercise programs in the hopes of spurring better attendance and more involved participation. And judging by the results, it was certainly a success, as Garcia's post of the convicts' conga lines cavorting a la Jackson and his legion of undulating undead became an immediate phenomenon, drawing over 24 million hits--a million of them in the 24-hour period following the news of Jackson's death.

Video (4:26): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnk7lh9M3o&feature=player_embedded

Continues: http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/stopthepresses/50813/prisoners-of-love-the-new-thriller-re-enactment/

[peaceandlove]

What I'm hearing on the Coast to Coast AM show tonight is that Michael Jackson definitely had MRSA and the most recent round of medication was not successful in stopping it.

[Anchor]

I have split out the off-topic Obama related posts and started a new thread here, the significant and interesting post by mntruthseeker is in that thread: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=148472&postcount=3

A..

[Humble Janitor]

I've never seen this before, was up on yahoo when I returned home tonight.

Prisoners Of Love: The New "Thriller" Re-enactment

Posted Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:41pm PDT by Billy Altman in Stop The Presses!

Talk about deja view all over again.

Earlier today, the 1,500 orange-jumpsuit-clad inmates of the Cebu Provincial Detention & Rehabilitation Center on the east coast of Cebu Island in the Philippines reprised their phenomenally popular 2007 viral performance of Michael Jackson's "Thriller" in tribute to the King Of Pop, who died Thursday.

Video (0:46): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A98vsWsjT8&feature=player_embedded

The original four-minute Web-smash video, you may recall, stemmed from an experimental program started by local security consultant Byron Garcia, which added synchronized dancing to the prison's exercise programs in the hopes of spurring better attendance and more involved participation. And judging by the results, it was certainly a success, as Garcia's post of the convicts' conga lines cavorting a la Jackson and his legion of undulating undead became an immediate phenomenon, drawing over 24 million hits--a million of them in the 24-hour period following the news of Jackson's death.

Video (4:26): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnk7lh9M3o&feature=player_embedded

Continues: http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/stopthepresses/50813/prisoners-of-love-the-new-thriller-re-enactment/

Thanks for posting this! It's so cool and symbolic.

[J_rod7]

...
..
.


King Of Pop Dead At 12
The Onion - Entertainment
JUNE 26, 2009 | ISSUE 45•26


LOS ANGELES—Michael Jackson, a talented child performer known for his love of amusement park rides and his hobby of collecting exotic animals for his Neverland Ranch, died from sudden cardiac arrest Thursday at the age of 12.

The prepubescent singer, who enjoyed playing dress-up and often referred to himself as "the King of Pop," was celebrated for his naïve exuberance and his generosity toward other children.

"This is a terrible loss for music and for all of us," brother Jermaine Jackson said.

"He had so much potential to blossom into a gracious and mature human being. As it is, the world will never know the genius Michael Jackson might have become had he grown up."

The singer leaves behind a large body of hits, 25,000 unopened toys, and nearly $400 million of debt.


.... http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/NIB-Michael-Jackson-R_0.jpg


http://www.theonion.com/content/news/king_of_pop_dead_at_12?utm_source=a-section

. . . :sorry: . . . :shocked: . . :crybaby: . :wheelchair: . :( . . :emot-sad: . . . :tears: . . . :rip_1:

.
..
...

[peaceandlove]

On the eve of his 50th birthday, rare interview.

MICHAEL JACKSON GOOD MORNING AMERICA

August 29, 2008

MICHAEL GIVES A 50th BIRTHDAY INTERVIEW

"The best is yet to come."

Video (6:49): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqGsD2FgaCA&feature=related

[pyrangello]

Ah yes we are still individuals, and acting like many familes do with so many different opinions, It's fascinating to me how MJ has brought out so many perspectives from so many different angles, but that is who we are. From the truth seekers, to the hang'm high crowd, to the stadium fans to the referee's, then our abstract family members who are reaching for the goodness and light to so many others. I say all of you here on this site have value in your words, but just stop and pause and don't get sucked into the vortex. I just had a humerous thought , what if all of went camping for a week together. C'mon you got to laugh at that one or just sit by the bonfire and whisper the sentence to one another, how much different that would be by the time it got full circle. LOL.

We are Avalon family members from all over the world and still we act like one big family. The truth is starting to come out, in his prime MJ was extremely talented, and on the dark side he lived with his demons, I'm not giving him a pass on those things but he has to deal with them personally in the end. Will find out more in the days and weeks to come and Team avalon always comes to the plate on the most current news. I say it's time for what most familes do after a good debate, TIME FOR A GROUP HUG ! How bout it!

[Carol]

I think this says it best. Michael Jackson - Will you be there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVauKagVDPI

[Tango]

THAT is the Nicest thing I've seen posted on this thread... Brought a Tear.

I need to take a break to recover frm this...

I'll be back...



I think this says it best. Michael Jackson - Will you be there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVauKagVDPI

[metaw3]

I think this says it best. Michael Jackson - Will you be there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVauKagVDPI

Thank you for that. "Healing the world", "Will you be there"... I stopped listening to Michael Jackson after the Thriller album. Up until last week I was not aware how much sanity there is in his music. He was definitely a threat to the PTW. And he might be a bigger threat to them now. I would never have listened to his music NOW, if he was alive. And the whole first world is listening as well. That is a huge uplifting group meditation if I might say. Any sensitive person here can report on the effects of this in the invisible realm? On a different level, the death of Michael Jackson for the PTW might be compared to the death of Che.

[Steve_A]

Hi Everyone,

Just when you thought it was safe to put the baby to bed, The Sun newspaper reveals what the second independant post mortem examinations revealed.

Severe bruising, broken ribs, amaciated body, bald, riddled with injection marks, stomach containing only pills, bruising to the legs and cuts to the back, the list goes on:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2505693/The-shock-findings-of-the-Michael-Jackson-autopsy.html

This just goes to show that the vast bulk of information from the first autopsy must have been supressed. By whom? Who knows.

But this also leads us into how Jackson got a full bill of health from the insurance company that insured him for this set of concerts in London.
AEG has a lot of explaining to do...

I really am smelling a rat somewhere along the line on this one.

Best regards,

Steve

[iainl140285]

Hi Everyone,

Just when you thought it was safe to put the baby to bed, The Sun newspaper reveals what the second independant post mortem examinations revealed.

Severe bruising, broken ribs, amaciated body, bald, riddled with injection marks, stomach containing only pills, bruising to the legs and cuts to the back, the list goes on:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2505693/The-shock-findings-of-the-Michael-Jackson-autopsy.html

This just goes to show that the vast bulk of information from the first autopsy must have been supressed. By whom? Who knows.

But this also leads us into how Jackson got a full bill of health from the insurance company that insured him for this set of concerts in London.
AEG has a lot of explaining to do...

I really am smelling a rat somewhere along the line on this one.

Best regards,

Steve


Hey Steve,

The broken ribs and bruising may be a result of the resus. effort. The rest of the injuries is anyones guess.

The Sun is a well known rag :mfr_lol: and I'd really like to know their source.
However, of course anything is possible ...

[J_rod7]

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[Humble Janitor]

Hi Everyone,

Just when you thought it was safe to put the baby to bed, The Sun newspaper reveals what the second independant post mortem examinations revealed.

Severe bruising, broken ribs, amaciated body, bald, riddled with injection marks, stomach containing only pills, bruising to the legs and cuts to the back, the list goes on:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2505693/The-shock-findings-of-the-Michael-Jackson-autopsy.html

This just goes to show that the vast bulk of information from the first autopsy must have been supressed. By whom? Who knows.

But this also leads us into how Jackson got a full bill of health from the insurance company that insured him for this set of concerts in London.
AEG has a lot of explaining to do...

I really am smelling a rat somewhere along the line on this one.

Best regards,

Steve

Apparently, this report was fabricated. Hate to quote them but here it is:

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/29/jackson-autopsy-report-a-fake/

[Dantheman62]

Looks like his mom has filed for control of his estate and the kids.

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/parents-file-papers-to-administer-jackson-estate/24493?nc

[Steve_A]

Hi Humble Janitor,

Unfortunately in this day and age, you can't beleive EVERYTHING you read, especially in the mainstream media.

TMZ have to say it's false, as the website has had a heyday in the mainstream media, being presented as the source of the Michael Jackson story. It could well be that they had to say that to maintain a good relationship with their sources.

Also note what the Los Angeles coroner said:

"The report that is being published did not come from this office. I don't know where the information came from, or who that information came from. It is not accurate. Some of it is totally false."

As I understand it, the second autopsy was made by a private entity and not by the Los Angeles coroners office.

The information didn't need to leave the coroners office, that what moles are all about, they do it when they're away from work, selling the info for a fast buck, jumping on the gravy train, getting their two cents.

Also, the coroner said about the information in the report (in the Sun?) that "Some of it is totally false" which means that some of it is true.

We need to decide which is true, which is false, which was ordered to be said was false and join the dots to find a bigger picture.

I've said this many times, that time will tell the truth. For example, I imagine the Sun newspaper now will be sued by the Jackson family if it was found out that the story was total hogwash. Let's wait and see.

Best regards,

Steve




Apparently, this report was fabricated. Hate to quote them but here it is:

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/29/jackson-autopsy-report-a-fake/

[Tango]

DEA found the pharmacy where the pharmaceuticals came from. Tracking numbers.

Las Vegas... I hope they find it's connected to the "Performance Bond..."

covering the concerts. I can't express how I dislike Vegas...

Time to L00K at those contracts and the doctor assigned to the contracts.

It's L00King more like this was a 187: Doctors think they're SO smart.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32374969/ns/entertainment-music/

I want them to get the Big Players. Not, just the dumb doctor...

I hope they Show the doctors signature on the forms; tie it all together.

Trooly,


Tango

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Fast Cuts add so much excitement.... Did you notice how the camera

Keeps moving. What a great feel to the POV.


Trooly,


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[lucrum]

This man will never die, that's something I'm sure about!

However, as sad as it is that he had to pay with his life one way or the other, I'm a little shocked by the power people can insert into a single person.

His music way back when, was great music. I used to love listening to MJ, had the T-shirt and the SEGA game! But I never idolized him...

Not in my 26 year old life have I ever idolized a single person, not one single individual. I still don't and in this particular case, MJ stopped being the great artist long ago. It's the shadow of the once great MJ that lives on.

As for the report stating all the horrific findings on and in MJ's body, I can very well give this credit. TMZ is dedicated to bring news to the fans of celebrities and I'm quite sure that those fans do not want to hear that MJ was drug induced and in a bad shape. You don't even have to be a celebrity to have people NEVER believe you are something else than you once appeared as.

I'm sure we got tonnes of examples of families that refuse to aknowledge that one or more of their loved ones are doing bad things or has been involved in shady business as either a victim or perp. Loads of women that deny that their husband/boyfriend hits and harass them, or vice versa.

It's the same with religion...heck whatever else you might feel very strongly about. You will try to fight off what you percieve as rumours and falsified facts for as long as you can stand doing it.

I find it a good idea not to get too involved with anything, as it blinds your judgement.

If you need an idol, you got one inside you. ;)