Let's discuss Zurich debate about the swine flu shots

[metaw3]

What about Dan's stand vs. David's stand? What's your toughts?

[TruthWillSetUFree]

I'm sorry metaw3, Dan and David are who now?

What is the backstory on this if you don't mind me asking.

Thank you

Truth

[metaw3]

The Zurich conference was broadcasted live at the last minute:
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15277

We caught the 19pm panel discussion:
http://www.groundcrew.ch/logistics.html

Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell, Brian O'Leary, David Wilcock and Bill Ryan were on the stage. At some point the swine flu shots were brought up. David took a stand against vaccines and Dan for vaccines. Some in the audience were shouting at Dan and it was quite intense.

[metaw3]

Update on the Camelot page from Kerry:

11 July 2009 -- update

• I formally want to apologize here for any misunderstanding regarding what is going on at the Zurich Conference. I was not invited, I cannot attest to anything that is being talked about on stage in Zurich.

I, Kerry Cassidy, am absolutely opposed to vaccinations of any kind. I do not know why Dan Burisch is encouraging people to get vaccinated.

I have not listened to the broadcast however, my opinion on being vaccinated is firm. I would not recommend them under any condition.

Kerry Cassidy

[MoV]

I have recorded the last two and a half hours..

file is uploading now:smoke:

http://rapidshare.com/files/254724854/pjc_Zurich_Conference_11-07-2009_20_43_09.mp3.html

109 MB

[TruthWillSetUFree]

The Zurich conference was broadcasted live at the last minute:
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15277

We caught the 19pm panel discussion:
http://www.groundcrew.ch/logistics.html

Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell, Brian O'Leary, David Wilcock and Bill Ryan were on the stage. At some point the swine flu shots were brought up. David took a stand against vaccines and Dan for vaccines. Some in the audience were shouting at Dan and it was quite intense.

OMG! Are you kidding me? Dan was FOR vaccines? That is just crazy especially with the amount of information that has come out about them! What were his views based on? I do not like the sound of that at all. I sure would like to hear that exchange!

I am now wondering why Kerry wasn't invited to the conference too, but am emphatically aligned with her views on having any vaccination whatsoever.

I was at work, I wished I could have heard the conference. They said it would be up tomorrow? Would you post the link if you can?

Thank you so much for keeping me updated

Yours In Truth

[metaw3]

Update 2 :

11 July 2009 -- update 2 • Kerry and I are united in our stand against vaccinations of any kind. On the Zurich Conference panel discussion this evening there were two issues:
-- whether or not vaccinations are a valid way to boost immunity (even if given wih ethical intentions)
-- the potentialunethical intentions of some of the vaccine administrators or vaccine creators.

The audience question was about the latter. But Dan Burisch, being a microbiologist, answered about the former - stating that he felt there was scientific evidence that vaccines helped to reduce disease. Following this there were some very passionate and interesting opinions expressed.

Meanwhile, Kerry and I at Project Camelot are delighted to be in touch with Jane Burgermeister (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/) (who will be a guest on our radio show on Tuesday) - and the vaccine debate may well be continued in Dan's Conference workshop from 10.00-12.00 CET tomorrow, Sunday. Click here (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/project-camelot) to listen.

[THEWATCHER]

I have recorded the last two and a half hours..

file is uploading now:smoke:

http://rapidshare.com/files/254724854/pjc_Zurich_Conference_11-07-2009_20_43_09.mp3.html

109 MB

Download limit reached....................:mfr_omg:

Barry

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i think ill take cliff highs view on dan burisch.. hmmm vaccines. hes either disinfo(cliff high states) or a schill fo the illuminati. way to totally discredit your self entirely.. any shred of respect he had left is prob now out fo the window.. :thumbdown:

[Ara]

Hi guys,

I see the download limit has been reached on your upload MoV. :( Thank you for taking the time to upload the file for others, that was really nice of you, thoughtful. :)

So, does anyone know if there is somewhere else we can go to watch this conference? I've googled but not found anything. :(

Cheers!

Ara

[mntruthseeker]

The flue vaccine is not good at all. It has live virus in the shot.

I would advice people to load up on vitamin D3 or C. Colloidal Silver or MMS before they come to shove those needles in our arms

[Ara]

Honestly what is wrong with david wilcox? I have always felt a little unsure of him, cause he is pretty cocky but he is way off on the vaccinations. I hope he takes the extra steps to do some research now. I am shocked at his response

Hi mntruthseeker, what did David say in regards to vaccines?

Gosh I'd love to watch this conference! LOL

Cheers!
Ara

edit: thanks to metaw3 I've listened to David's opinion on this subject. :)

[metaw3]

I have put it on youtube. I'll remove it later. It starts at 8:20:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzJvVK9lAz4&feature=PlayList&p=4F15C2ABED510412&index=0&playnext=1

[Ara]

Thanks so much metaw3! :)

Cheers!
Ara

[Unified Serenity]

I have put it on youtube. I'll remove it later. It starts at 8:20:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzJvVK9lAz4&feature=PlayList&p=4F15C2ABED510412&index=0

I LOVE YOU!!!!

THanks a million!!!!!!!!! :original:

[KathyT]

Before you make a decision about taking any vaccine for the "Swine Flu", you might want to see what happened the last time our government told us to take a vaccine back in 1976.

Video : CBS 60 Minutes -1976 Swine Flu Vaccine

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/cbs+60+minutes%2C+swine+flu+vaccine/video/x9mh9f_swine-flu-1976-propaganda_webcam

[Carrie1971]

I have recorded the last two and a half hours..

file is uploading now:smoke:

http://rapidshare.com/files/254724854/pjc_Zurich_Conference_11-07-2009_20_43_09.mp3.html

109 MB


I first would like to say thank you for takng the time to share the file.

However rapid share will only let 10 downloads. So if anyone can put the file where many can hear it that would be great.

[metaw3]

Update 2 :

11 July 2009 -- update 2 • Kerry and I are united in our stand against vaccinations of any kind. On the Zurich Conference panel discussion this evening there were two issues:
-- whether or not vaccinations are a valid way to boost immunity (even if given wih ethical intentions)
-- the potentialunethical intentions of some of the vaccine administrators or vaccine creators.

The audience question was about the latter. But Dan Burisch, being a microbiologist, answered about the former - stating that he felt there was scientific evidence that vaccines helped to reduce disease. Following this there were some very passionate and interesting opinions expressed.

Meanwhile, Kerry and I at Project Camelot are delighted to be in touch with Jane Burgermeister (who will be a guest on our radio show on Tuesday) - and the vaccine debate may well be continued in Dan's Conference workshop from 10.00-12.00 CET tomorrow, Sunday. Click here to listen.

Listen carefully to the second clip:
YouTube - zurich10

I understand that Dan Burisch was speaking about scientific evidence that vaccines helped to reduce disease. What remained undebated is his affirmation that the current pandemic is natural and not the result of any biological warfare. Considering this update on the Camelot homepage:
http://www.projectcamelot.org/index_archive_4.html

27 April 2009

• Update on the flu outbreak from Dan Burisch:

"Dan is in Houston, Texas, speaking with certain State and Federal health officials, due to the unusual nature of the contents of this Swine Flu virus. We are all happy that this virus is responding to Tamiflu, but there are components to the virus, which Dan correlated to the Avian Flu virus, and which made him "suspicious." A medical professional colleague in Houston had called him, and requested that he attend a meeting to look at the genetics of the viruses to help rule out all other than natural causes, just as a precaution. Additionally, he is assisting in attempting to elucidate what advantages might be obtained by learning about the responsiveness of this Swine Flu virus, versus the reported resistance by some varieties of Avian Flu to specific classes of antiviral drug therapies."
and considering that Jane Buregermeister (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14935) will be a guest on the Camelot show next Tuesday, I think it deserves more questions.

[jem284]

Thank you so much for putting that up on you tube
I missed the first part.
I wish that I could ask if the studies that Dan is referring to are studies that he has done himself or are they studies that he has read about.
Because those studies can be manipulated to give a different conclusion.
Also, I would like to ask him ... What about the mercury and formaldehyde that is in the vaccines. I know that is not good for us and also what about the increase of autism in children.
Does he know about those studies.
It would be helpful if those questions were asked if he is even aware of those studies.:original:

[Carrie1971]

I LOVE YOU!!!!

THanks a million!!!!!!!!! :original:


Thank you so very much....

[metaw3]

Click on this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzJvVK9lAz4&feature=PlayList&p=4F15C2ABED510412&index=0&playnext=1

It is a playlist and you will hear all the clips one after the other from the first one.

[sleepingnomore]

Thank you so much for putting that up on you tube
I missed the first part.
I wish that I could ask if the studies that Dan is referring to are studies that he has done himself or are they studies that he has read about.
Because those studies can be manipulated to give a different conclusion.
Also, I would like to ask him ... What about the mercury and formaldehyde that is in the vaccines. I know that is not good for us and also what about the increase of autism in children.
Does he know about those studies.
It would be helpful if those questions were asked if he is even aware of those studies.:original:

Thank you, because that my exactly my thought when I was listening to it. Either he is being fed erroneous data or he is aware that it is false.

Statistics and studies are slanted in any direction those paying for them want the results to show.

[tone3jaguar]

I cant believe we are still on the swine flu BS, it only worked in the first few people infected. We are still discussing this? WTF? Are there not more interesting things we could be discussing that are actually relevant? Who exactly is it that says we are all going to get the needle anyway? George Green? That guy has been so far off in his predictions lately that I think he is just show boating any more.

[jem284]

Hi Sleepingnomore
I agree totally
I think someone needs to ask those questions at his work shop tomarrow
to see what he will say to that
I just don't know if they will receive the message on that web site that they are going to be broad casting from.
I don't know how to do that or I would try.
If anyone could ask those questions that would be great.
I do get the feeling that he is holding back but sincerely wants to try to help what ever way he can.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

I cant believe we are still on the swine flu BS, it only worked in the first few people infected. We are still discussing this? WTF? Are there not more interesting things we could be discussing that are actually relevant? Who exactly is it that says we are all going to get the needle anyway? George Green? That guy has been so far off in his predictions lately that I think he is just show boating any more.

With all due respect tone3jaguar, we are talking about the swine flu because it looks to be the catalyst for events transpiring this fall...forced vaccinations, the use of fema camps, martial law, etc.

On the Morning Show with Merideth Viera the representative from the CDC was on saying we are going to have three (3) vaccines that will be mandatory this fall, this could be the thing that starts everything into motion and why I feel it is the single most important issue right now especially using it as the vehicle to wake people up.

In Truth

[333mark333]

I have put it on youtube. I'll remove it later. It starts at 8:20:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzJvVK9lAz4&feature=PlayList&p=4F15C2ABED510412&index=0&playnext=1

Thank you!:thumb_yello:

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

im not phased by swine flu either 3 T JAG. but im saying that why would he come out with that statement. he obv knew it would **** everyone off.. somethings are better kept to yourself imo.. its like saying oh btw war is a pretty good idea.. again i will listen to mr burisch and make up my own mind .. hes demonstrated nothing so far that makes me think he is the rea ldeal:nono:

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i got 15 litres of silver and 2 bottles of MMS. i dont got to the doctors and i dont go the dentist. i dont require any biological interference from the PTB ty.

[MoV]

Sorry I forgot about the download limit...

[tone3jaguar]

im not phased by swine flu either 3 T JAG. but im saying that why would he come out with that statement. he obv knew it would **** everyone off.. somethings are better kept to yourself imo.. its like saying oh btw war is a pretty good idea.. again i will listen to mr burisch and make up my own mind .. hes demonstrated nothing so far that makes me think he is the rea ldeal:nono:

Who knows, he just tells us what ever his keepers ask him to tell us. They say tell them about the grays, so he tells us about the grays. They say tell them disinformation about swine flu, so he tells them disinformation about swine flu. He is just a servant doing his best to make sure he continues to get funding for his scientific research. Most scientists in the world are like this today. I worked in the agricultural industry for a while as a golf superintendent. 90 percent of the University scientists where just standing up in front of people reading a script given to them by the chemical companies. It had become accepted practice in the scientific community in agriculture to lie to the consumers as long as it got the funding flowing.

[jem284]

I was wondering if any one was going to put up on you tube the Dan Burish work shop
That would be great if someone could do that
thank you
:original:

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Now that I have heard the entire exchange I really feel Dan's heart is in the right place, maybe he really doesn't know about what is going on with the vaccine agenda.

Hopefully, by the Tuesday radio show on Camelot we will have another perspective on all this.

Thanks for putting it up for us metaw3

[mntruthseeker]

before you make a decision about taking any vaccine for the "swine flu", you might want to see what happened the last time our government told us to take a vaccine back in 1976.

Video : Cbs 60 minutes -1976 swine flu vaccine

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/cbs+60+minutes%2c+swine+flu+vaccine/video/x9mh9f_swine-flu-1976-propaganda_webcam


well said kathy t

[MoV]

I was wondering if any one was going to put up on you tube the Dan Burish work shop
That would be great if someone could do that
thank you
:original:

I was at work by the time the work shop started but I recorded the last hour ...

http://www.hotshare.net/en/audio/161159-2302939ce0.html
56:20/25.7 MB

:p No download limit this time :lol3:

[jem284]

Thank you so much MoV!!:thumb_yello:

[Humble Janitor]

With all due respect tone3jaguar, we are talking about the swine flu because it looks to be the catalyst for events transpiring this fall...forced vaccinations, the use of fema camps, martial law, etc.

On the Morning Show with Merideth Viera the representative from the CDC was on saying we are going to have three (3) vaccines that will be mandatory this fall, this could be the thing that starts everything into motion and why I feel it is the single most important issue right now especially using it as the vehicle to wake people up.

In Truth

Will there be a way to warn people through email about these vaccines? I am not sure how to suggest the avoidance of such vaccines to family without sounding like a loon.

[Moxie]

First of all, it's not swine flu, it's H1N1. All you can do is muster up and forward this: http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Video-Bird_Flu_Hoax_Exposed

Have you even watched that entire presentation? And then the one above posted by mntruthseeker?

It's quite possible that many of you here are afraid to forward any of this to your friends & family because of "what they might think of you".

Just forward the links with no comments attached. It's up to them to watch.

[sleepingnomore]

Moxie,

I can't view these right now. Do they go into how the virus has mutated in each continent, similar to the way a population control virus was rumoured to do a year or so ago. It would only effect certain races in each country it was introduced. It appears to me that this is exactly what it is doing now, targeting, maybe not races but socio-economic classes and health impaired individuals. My guess is that the so called healthy individuals that died after contracting the virus had some undiagnosed condition that made them vulnerable to it.

If this is indeed the case, what good would one vaccine do to prevent contracting it? You would need a separate vaccine for each mutation. I know it's ultimately all about profit and weeding out the undesirables in society. This is the only truth that makes any sense from all the information I've read.

[Karen]

OMG - have you seen the 1 hour Dr. David Ayoub video about the aluminum adjuvant in the vaccines? It was posted on the Camelot main page.
I am only 20 min into it and I've have to peel myself off the floor or ceiling at least a dozen times.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8119523476709184666

Then here's my article about how vaccines create
Stealth Virus Shock and Awe

Transferring invisibly from person to person, from mother to fetus, from husband to wife, from sibling to sibling, and leaving virtually no person untouched by its invisible footprints, the stealth virus hides in our vaccinations, hides from our immune systems, and hides from detection by our doctors. Where there is normally no transfer of viral diseases between different animal species, the stealth virus travels between species, and even between you and your pets.
http://www.childrenofthenewearth.com/free.php?page=articles_free/eck_karen/article18

[cosmictexan]

The discussion was hard to hear because of the guy yelling the whole time, but I think there was a big misunderstanding about the subject. The most recent update now says "

"Please pass to Bill & Kerry, if you please, that my Prez. Of Eagles Disobey (Marcia) just issued finances to me (as Director) to conduct a full-on “vaccine” investigation, with specific emphasis on claims of mis-use, Zurich (CH), etc. (Please also ask for historical information about Europe’s Concerns to be sent to me.)

Please ask for any “evidence” of such claims to be sent to support@projectcamelot.org

with ATT: Dan Evidence

in the subject line.

I will report on this investigation at “Awake & Aware” in L.A. – then on Eagles Disobey. We have heard them.

Pass my love to them."

Dan

This is found on Camelot's home page. I guess Dan and the some of the upset people must have talked after the conference and come to some agreement for Dan to do an investigation. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. I have been thinking about since the live conference. It just seemed so strange for Dan to agree with vaccines. He talked about a vaccine database. Does anyone know about a database with vaccine info?

[sleepingnomore]

I've heard about it on another website. It's appauling! I don't think this flu virus is the only one they're using it in. Why is there a new and improved MMR vaccine? What was wrong with the original one????????????????????

Why are all school children required to have this new and improved vaccine before they return to school in the fall??????? Even if they already had the original vaccine???:wall::wall::wall::wall::sneaky2::sneaky 2::sneaky2:

[Ara]

The discussion was hard to hear because of the guy yelling the whole time, but I think there was a big misunderstanding about the subject. The most recent update now says "

"Please pass to Bill & Kerry, if you please, that my Prez. Of Eagles Disobey (Marcia) just issued finances to me (as Director) to conduct a full-on “vaccine” investigation, with specific emphasis on claims of mis-use, Zurich (CH), etc. (Please also ask for historical information about Europe’s Concerns to be sent to me.)

Please ask for any “evidence” of such claims to be sent to support@projectcamelot.org

with ATT: Dan Evidence

in the subject line.

I will report on this investigation at “Awake & Aware” in L.A. – then on Eagles Disobey. We have heard them.

Pass my love to them."

Dan

This is found on Camelot's home page. I guess Dan and the some of the upset people must have talked after the conference and come to some agreement for Dan to do an investigation. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. I have been thinking about since the live conference. It just seemed so strange for Dan to agree with vaccines. He talked about a vaccine database. Does anyone know about a database with vaccine info?

Personally I'd like to see Dr Dan Burisch, Dr Bill Deagle, Dr Len Horwowitz and Dr Robert Gallo all together in front of Bill and Kerry's camera, the subject being Vaccinations and Inoculations with a sub category of Morgellans Disease. It's all about getting the right people together for the facts to be revealled.

Heck I'd even be happy with just Drs Burisch and Deagle talking the talk. They are intellectually on a par, with both having brilliant minds and each a deep seated and earnest desire to get their truths out to the world.

[Anchor]

Somewhat at a tangent, but I will write it here anyway...

So far the greatest effects of this have already been realized by stiking fear into the hearts of the people who are the most aware of the issues, and not one needle has broken our skins!

I don't suppose anyone considered that if the enforced vaccination went ahead there are non-3D methods to deal with the problem. If you accept the injection you are giving in. You must resist and protest. You must say NO, I will not be medicated. Reasons do not have to be given. The creator bestowed you with a body that is your resposibility and that of no other person - unless you so choose to accept any aid that is offered.

The negative elite are tricksters - orchestrating a huge game that will deceive you into accepting thier "aid". Already there are higher profile media stories about FEMA dentention camps. So what - ask yourself what are these images doing ?

They are setting you up to avoid them by accepting the vaccine. To be so scared you will give up without a fight like good little cattle.

You must, answer thier greetings and offer of aid in the name of the creator - "NO! Not under any circumstance will I allow you to vaccinate me or those for whom I am responsible.".

Your free-will and your fearlessness (courage) are your weapons in this war.

If all else fails, and you are acting with the highest purity - then you will find that Water into wine is so yesterday, the miracle of the future will be "Weaponized medication" into water.

A..

[metaw3]

I'm glad to hear about Dan investigating.

Here's a thought:

What if it's not about killer vaccines, but rather about taking out people who are not scared of refusing mandatory vaccination, since these people won't and obviously can't be mind-controlled into accepting the NWO? Kind of a practical survey to see how fearless some of us are, and how many we are. Actually I got this theory from there
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=102894871603&topic=10499

Even if the guy made it up, it fits perfectly with the way they operate. Don't you think?


SUBVERSIVES AND DESSENTERS BEWARE!

The shadowy elite have orchestrated a dastardly plan to unleash a modified and deadly strain of Swine Flu in the Autumn of 2009. The vaccination uptake rates among the general population is expected to be very high. This will be achieved by an increasingly apocalyptic and sustained media campaign warning the public of the dangers of refusing the vaccine. Governments have already printed millions more leaflets and posters to back this up.

Only subversives and dessenters will refuse the vaccine. The target of the shadowy elite is to wipe out an estimated 93.6% of the opposition to their evil plans for a New World Order. Leaving only the good sheeple who will continue to act as their slaves, no questions asked.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

It's getting hard to follow with so many flu shots threads all over the place.

[cosmictexan]

metaw3

I joined the group also. I am wondering if the vaccines aren't for another reason. Sterilization? I got the 76 swine flu vaccine and have never been able to get pregnant, now I wonder if it was the shot. I have been married three times and never could get pregnant with any of the three. I never really investigated why, just thought if it is meant to be, but now it makes me think.

I know that Guardasil is for that purpose even if they don't say so. Why give a girl the age of 8 a vaccine for cervical cancer. Sorry for the rant. Just really makes me mad.:wall:

[franciejones]

still asleep here

[metaw3]

I'm sorry to read about that cosmictexan. Unfortunately, sterilization is exactly what Dr. Ayoub is suspecting about aluminum in vaccines in the video suggested on the Camelot homepage. Very disturbing facts:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8119523476709184666

[Malletzky]

Imortant update from Germany: I just heard on the radio that the german government ordered today 50.000.000 vaccines, which is enough to "save" 25.000.000 people. Is it necessery to receive this twice? :wall:

I don't want it at all...I don't accept it at all. What for? The illness just process so innocuous, that all infected heal completely after a week or two. So the question is not why the vaccine, but what's inside?

And Anchor....perfectly said mate...

:wub2:
malletzky

[MoV]

live now http://americanfreedomradio.com/ I'll post the mp3 after

[tone3jaguar]

They may have put Mercury and Alluminum in vaccinations in the past to dumb us down and sterilize us. However thier main strategy for sterilization has been the high floride levels in everything. Floride has cause damage to my hormone producing capabilities. I know that for sure.

[elsinorelore]

I just want to say, I along with 300 some odd other people were there at the conference last weekend, I havent seen anyone who was there post here yet.... Anyway, for what is worth, I went to Bill Ryans workshop Sunday morning, (not Dans) and Bill said (and I am not quoting exact words here) something along the lines that Dan is a true guy, but we all need to understand how compartmentalized different people are....&&&&&- so, I took it as Dan has alot of truths, but, he, along with many others are so compartmentalized that they dont all have the full picture... I also know that, that workshop was taped, so exactly what was said by Bill, will come out when they get all the conference stuff edited!!! just thought I should interject that so you know what will be coming to view here soon...And the whole Saturday episode was a real trip!!!

[lindabaker]

[QUOTE=metaw3;152486]I'm glad to hear about Dan investigating.

Here's a thought:

What if it's not about killer vaccines, but rather about taking out people who are not scared of refusing mandatory vaccination, since these people won't and obviously can't be mind-controlled into accepting the NWO? Kind of a practical survey to see how fearless some of us are, and how many we are. Actually I got this theory from there
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=102894871603&topic=10499

Even if the guy made it up, it fits perfectly with the way they operate. Don't you think?

Aw, ****, now it's really confusing! Do you refuse and become part of the non-controllable minority:wall:, therefore a target? Or do you comply and die? It's like second guessing in which goblet the poison resides, like in The Princess Bride. The shell game begins. Any ideas, anybody?

[Spiralmind]

Thanks, now I really don't know what to do :blink:

I love this thread.

[metaw3]

Thanks, now I really don't know what to do :blink:


I would say watch the propaganda. If it emphasizes how dangerous someone is to the other by not being vaccinated, it is not a good sign. What does the publicity look like so far? I don't watch TV.

[Wormhole]

FYI
http://www.scidev.net/en/news/major-database-on-flu-virus-genetics-runs-out-of-c.html

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

My point being, that this policy has been in place for four years now. Developing countries do not have access to the data base without a price being payed. Dan B. knows this. His comment about not having access is not surprising; only in that he should know that the data base is available for a price. This is old news. Do I trust Dan? Well, no. Look at who he works for, and look at who he claims to be working with. Why would I trust him.

Are Vaccines good? Sure, some are. Some are very good. Others are being used for negative purposes. It's a mixed bag just like anything else. Use your hearts and intuitions, your minds and your discernment. Mandatory ANYTHING smacks of NWO. That alone is enough for me to say no.

[cosmictexan]

Thanks Wormhole,

That must be the database Dan was talking about in Zurich.

[Wormhole]

Note that "Los Alamos" is controlling the database information. Bad idea. And, the only other option is the WHO.

Peace of Mind,
WOrmhole

[cosmictexan]

I like the fact that there isn't enough money, yea right, it is only a few million dollars. Compared to all the millions and billions that are spent on useless things I think a few million is reasonable.

[Wormhole]

What? Are you questioning the funding that we need to support our military industrial complex? Why, I would feel unsafe if there weren't all these big guns laying about in the hands of the military here to protect me...:roll1::lmao:

It's gross isn't it.

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

[MoV]

live now http://americanfreedomradio.com/ I'll post the mp3 after
I had some technical problems ..

the first part 32K 12.00 MB 52:34 s
http://www.hotshare.net/en/audio/162095-4779663aba.html

the second part 16k 7.70 MB 67:18 s
http://www.hotshare.net/en/audio/162098-2693702a98.html
:)) the show was just uploaded few min. before I Upload it.. http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Project-Camelot-32k-071409.mp3

[Ara]

18 July 2009 - update • A conversation with Dr. Bill Deagle covering the up to the minute details on the deadly qualities of the vaccine; plans of the NWO and the WHO; earth changes and more...Must Listen!
Dr. Bill Deagle (http://projectcamelot.org/billdeaglejuly182009.mp3)Update July 18, 2009 (http://projectcamelot.org/billdeaglejuly182009.mp3)
We are going to convene a Panel of Experts to discuss the issues with the vaccine, tamiflu and the mutating H1N1 TBA possibly as early as this Thursday, July 30.

[metaw3]

Ok so what do you think of the new statement from Dan Burisch posted today on Camelot homepage:

http://projectcamelot.org/dan_burisch_statement_16_july_2009.html

[...]

I have directed this post to be made public. We are aware of what is going on, and David can confirm I had hard biological material with me to describe the H1N1/H5N1 issue and lack of biomarkers present which I would expect for a biodefense weapon. I also told him, somewhat directly, that my experience has indicated that should either of these two viruses have been a biodefense weapon, those whom I have known would have been fired for incompetence, due to lack of mortality rate.

[...]

The information that we approached a certain Senator about a database is true, and has already been presented on the Eagles Disobey website. Yes, we have written to a Senator and have thus far received little action. Why? We are going to try to find out. We will take further steps. The unusual thing is that NO ONE, not a soul we heard at the conference asked us what database we were talking about! Review the video/audio. Of course it is the "CDC's VSD" - but no one even asked! Why? When something is important to me, I ask questions. I even asked others to help, or that we would join them in their efforts. So far, we have received no such efforts. We will publish the written comments offered at the conference. If we do, we will do what we can to help. Otherwise, our offer for their voices to be added to our own will remain, and we will take those actions we feel appropriate to investigate this issue.

[...]

[metaw3]

http://forum.vacci-nations.com/viewtopic.php?uid=117&f=6&t=80&start=0

[INDENT] "I think we should help microbiologist Dan Burisch (http://projectcamelot.org/dan_burisch.html) in his effort to have access to the CDC - Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) Project's database (http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=CDC%27s%20VSD&hl=fr&safe=off&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#). He already asked for help during the Zurich conference incident (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=4F15C2ABED510412&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL). I think this should be included somehow in the injunction. Here is the latest statement from Burisch (http://projectcamelot.org/dan_burisch_statement_16_july_2009.html) in regard to the Zurich incident. Some may see this as an argument against Jane Burgermeister's allegations, but I don't. I think Jane has enough evidence for an injunction to prevent forced vaccination, and I think that this is a golden opportunity to expose the Rockefellers and Rothschilds. Just because one microbiologist says this flu is not a bioweapon, it doesn't change anything to Jane's evidence, and Dan even confirms the Illuminati depopulation agenda. Also, Dan doesn't say anything about what the new vaccine will do and what it contains or not. So let's help this guy access this database!"

[franciejones]

just done here

[cosmictexan]

I seem to remember that Dan went to Houston at the beginning of the outbreak to look into the question of a altered virus but has he done any lab testing lately. Maybe what he saw was a real virus and it wasn't altered but that doesn't mean that it is a real virus now. I think we should give Dan a little time to do some research and I think he should use whatever evidence that Jane has collected to start his investigation. Maybe Dan's doctor friend in Houston called him there to use him, so he would say that the virus is real and nothing to worry about. That was months ago and who knows what has happened in the mean time. So many theories and not enough answers.

[metaw3]

Here's 2 facts:
1. WE can request public access to a potentially incriminating database about vaccine safety
2. WE can stop forced vaccination for kids in school this fall
This can be accomplish legally with injunctions. Dan can help with access to the database and Jane with forced vaccinations.

[Nebula]

I concur with you metaw3! I also think alot of ppl mis-understood what dan was saying about vaccines. He said don't just believe anything without having any factual evindence! That's why he's willing to investigate things out first, and he needs our help. He further said, everyone has a choice, don't just make your decisions based on only your emotions, use your logic too, so you can come to a better conclusion or decision.

As for me, my stand is, I would not take no freaking vaccine shot, unless i was infected and had no choice but to take a vaccine.

[cosmictexan]

It doesn't seem very easy to get into the VSD (Vaccine Safety Datalink). Here is a video of two doctors that went through a bunch of hoops to get into the database.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5971029446182647842&ei=0CtmStbAL5fqqAO-l_Uc&q=CDC%27s+VSD&hl=fr

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-3695588266603363009&ei=0CtmStbAL5fqqAO-l_Uc&q=CDC%27s+VSD&hl=fr

There are more videos of these two doctors story. I guess with Dan's background he might be able to pull some strings and get access.

I agree with metaw3 about Dan and Jane. We need to work from both angles.:lightsabre:

[meissmar]

Well there's a lot of people in Germany asking for the German database to be made available for the general public. there's even a law over here that forces the doctor to report any problem or disease following a vaccination. But of course not everything is being reported, because the doctor says that "this is not related to the vaccination".

But still they refuse to open the database to prove once and for all that the children being vaccinated are healthier than those not receiving the shots. There's a pretty big movement questioning the sense and effectiveness of vaccinations.

I think as long as the medicine industry is ruling the decisions there, we will not see an opening of those databases. It would show too many people that it's not safe. Especially in Germany, the government is still working mostly for the industry, not for the people.

[meissmar]

I concur with you metaw3! I also think alot of ppl mis-understood what dan was saying about vaccines. He said don't just believe anything without having any factual evindence! That's why he's willing to investigate things out first, and he needs our help. He further said, everyone has a choice, don't just make your decisions based on only your emotions, use your logic too, so you can come to a better conclusion or decision.

As for me, my stand is, I would not take no freaking vaccine shot, unless i was infected and had no choice but to take a vaccine.

I agree with this statement. But that's the reason, that I am questioning the evidence that viruses actually cause the diseases claimed by western medicine (see extra thread). I am questioning so much in my life that doesn't sound logical to me so I came to the point of vaccinations and viruses and the point that there do not seem to be studies that prove that viruses are causing diseases.

[14 Chakras]

[QUOTE=metaw3;152486]I'm glad to hear about Dan investigating.

Here's a thought:

What if it's not about killer vaccines, but rather about taking out people who are not scared of refusing mandatory vaccination, since these people won't and obviously can't be mind-controlled into accepting the NWO? Kind of a practical survey to see how fearless some of us are, and how many we are. Actually I got this theory from there
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=102894871603&topic=10499

Even if the guy made it up, it fits perfectly with the way they operate. Don't you think?

Aw, ****, now it's really confusing! Do you refuse and become part of the non-controllable minority:wall:, therefore a target? Or do you comply and die? It's like second guessing in which goblet the poison resides, like in The Princess Bride. The shell game begins. Any ideas, anybody?

I'd say it's a little of both. The vaccine can probably be 'weaponized' at some point, and surely won't be good for you. I'm sure they'd like to 'kill two birds with one stone' and use the whole thing as an excuse to FEMAway those who refuse to get one...

That being said, they can't do stuff when there's too much exposure on it. They may have nasty plans, but once they are figured out, they pretty much can't pull it off. Too many people would stand up against them.

Esoterically, I also believe there is something to cosmic law that because of free will,

A) they have to give you a sufficient amount of hints about what they are planning and

B) if a sufficient number of people figure it out and get the word out, they pretty much can't do it.


It also helps when spiritual people connect to the ascended hosts, like Archangel Michael, and make calls against plots like this. They simply don't materialize when enough people figure out what it is before hand and spread the word.

The work that whistle blowers and truth seekers do may be more effective and important than most realize.

In this case, I don't believe they will be able to pull off a really negative event here, there's just too much awareness around the potentials here.

[Lightpotential]

Just today there was an article in the papers about a survey conducted of some 1500 nurses here in the UK about the swine flu vaccine. Of that number, a full 30% said that they would refuse the vaccine, citing adverse health effects and also the perceived mildness of the flu.

I have seen many similar surveys to this over the years. The very people who administer the treatments tend not to want them themselves in significant numbers.

LP