A Legal Militia

[Seashore]

I listened to the free archive (http://gcnlive.com/archive.php?program=nutrimedical) of Dr. Bill Deagle's Nutrimedical Report for July 10, 2009 and got the idea of a "legal militia" for dealing with the tyranny we face. This topic was discussed in the first hour.

Dr. Deagle stated that we citizens have the power to go to court ourselves and this is what we need to do regarding the issues of forced:


Vaccination
Fluoridation
Service (GIVE Act)


Also, he mentioned that we need to act on the right of recall of Senators and Congresspeople in the districts where this is permitted. He mentioned the Western states.

Dr. Deagle has posted text (http://www.nutrimedical.com/news.jhtml?method=view&news.id=2172) on his website outlining the terminology we would have to learn. Here are the notes I took on what he presents for us:


We need to file a petition for injunction.
An injunction is an order of a court of competent jurisdiction (state or federal) commanding an individual, business entity, or government agency to do or stop doing something.
An injunction invokes what is called the equitable powers of the court.
The party bringing such an action is called a petitioner (not plaintiff).
The party against whom the action is brought is called the respondent (not defendant).
Injunctions are commenced by filing a petition with the court of competent jurisdiction, and effective service of a summons and a copy of the petition on the respondent(s) by an authorized process server.

Here are the elements that must be alleged in the petition:


Existence of an imminent likelihood of irreparable harm if the injunction is not issued.
Unavailability of any adequate remedy at law (i.e. an award of money damages after the harm has occurred will not restore the petitioner's threatened loss).
The threatened harm to the petitioner outweighs any substantial harm to the respondent.
Granting the injunction will not contravene a substantial public interest.
Petitioner has a substantial likelihood of success based on the allegations, i.e., the facts alleged are likely to be proven and are not merely speculative.



The elements alleged in the petition must be proven by the greater weight of admissible evidence through the use of discovery, and there would have to be the payment of required court fees.

Each word has a particular technical meaning that will be used by the court to read the petition.

We only need to allege those ultimate facts that, if proven, establish all the five elements. Fail to allege sufficient facts to establish all five, and your petition will be dismissed for failure to state a claim on which the court can grant relief (in some courts called a cause of action). Allege too many facts, and you weaken your case by muddying the waters beyond what is necessary.

Do not allege innuendo, assumptions, wild accusations, etc. Stick to those facts that, if proven, will suffice to establish all five elements.

_______________________________________________


The two guests he had on were Dr. Fred Graves, J.D., of Jurisdictionary.com (http://www.jurisdictionary.com/) and Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, M.D., J.D. of Homefirst.com (http://www.homefirst.com/).

[Seashore]

I have been thinking about how people could take this information and act on it.

Once people have done research and pulled together the needed facts, they could produce YouTube videos to aid others doing the same thing. People could do role plays to show how to behave in court. People who have expertise in this area could share their techniques...

Comments?

[orthodoxymoron]

To me...a legal militia would ideally consist of state funded bases throughout the United States...which would be under the control of the governor of each state. These bases would have C-130's, APC's, and all manner of equipment and munitions. The purpose would be fire fighting, search and rescue, disaster relief, manhunts, border and port security...and resisting tyranny. This militia would consist of highly trained and well regulated volunteer professionals...not a bunch of rebels without a clue. Individual State Government must increase...and the Federal Government must decrease. We are very close to losing our country...if we haven't already.

[Seashore]

To me...a legal militia would ideally consist of state funded bases throughout the United States...which would be under the control of the governor of each state. These bases would have
C-130's, APC's, and all manner of equipment and munitions. The purpose would be fire fighting, search and rescue, disaster relief, manhunts, border and port security...and resisting tyranny. This militia would consist of highly trained and well regulated volunteer professionals...not a bunch of rebels without a clue. Individual State Government must increase...and the Federal Government must decrease. We are very close to losing our country...if we haven't already.

Did you read the opening post of this thread?

[sleepingnomore]

I think this is a great idea. It would have to be carried out and organized state by state. I'm not sure how many legal systems have already been compromised but it's definitely worth a try!:lightsabre:

[Seashore]

I think this is a great idea. It would have to be carried out and organized state by state. I'm not sure how many legal systems have already been compromised but it's definitely worth a try!:lightsabre:

I'm thinking that tons of organizing can be done using the internet. We can share lists of facts to be used in petitions, etc.

I'm sure Dr. Deagle will have future radio shows about this and I will be following up...

Thanks for your response!! :original:

[sleepingnomore]

The internet is a great resource but I'm sure each member has local contacts that would be very useful in their communities. In person contacting and public outcry, i.e., city and town councils, local newspaper articles, radio programs, local colleges would be the most effective and fastest way of getting action. The internet would be the linking resource for all the individual efforts. Just my opinion, but I've found it works!

[Seashore]

The internet is a great resource but I'm sure each member has local contacts that would be very useful in their communities. In person contacting and public outcry, i.e., city and town councils, local newspaper articles, radio programs, local colleges would be the most effective and fastest way of getting action. The internet would be the linking resource for all the individual efforts. Just my opinion, but I've found it works!

I agree; there's nothing like face-to-face contact! :original:

[sleepingnomore]

Well then, all those members serious about affecting our future, get out there and get to work! Time is running out! If I can find the time then everyone else can make the sacrifice!:original:

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron: To me...a legal militia would ideally consist of state funded bases throughout the United States...which would be under the control of the governor of each state. These bases would have C-130's, APC's, and all manner of equipment and munitions. The purpose would be fire fighting, search and rescue, disaster relief, manhunts, border and port security...and resisting tyranny. This militia would consist of highly trained and well regulated volunteer professionals...not a bunch of rebels without a clue. Individual State Government must increase...and the Federal Government must decrease. We are very close to losing our country...if we haven't already.

Response by seashore: Did you read the opening post of this thread?

Response by orthodoxymoron: I did...and then I made a suggestion relating to the title of this thread. What does the Constitution say about a legal militia?

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron: To me...a legal militia would ideally consist of state funded bases throughout the United States...which would be under the control of the governor of each state. These bases would have C-130's, APC's, and all manner of equipment and munitions. The purpose would be fire fighting, search and rescue, disaster relief, manhunts, border and port security...and resisting tyranny. This militia would consist of highly trained and well regulated volunteer professionals...not a bunch of rebels without a clue. Individual State Government must increase...and the Federal Government must decrease. We are very close to losing our country...if we haven't already.

Response by seashore: Did you read the opening post of this thread?

Response by orthodoxymoron: I did...and then I made a suggestion regarding the title of this thread. Did I do something wrong...again?

You were :ot: !!

[orthodoxymoron]

Is the topic 'A Legal Militia'? Why do you consider my post to be off topic?

[Seashore]

Is the topic 'A Legal Militia'? Why do you consider my post to be off topic?

Because it had nothing to do with filing petitions!!

[orthodoxymoron]

Is 'filing petitions' the topic of this thread?

[Seashore]

...

[Seashore]

...The two guests he had on were Dr. Fred Graves, J.D., of Jurisdictionary.com (http://www.jurisdictionary.com/)...

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:Ycb-KLnp8SrWLM:http://www.ptla.org/wabanaki/WImages/largescalesofjustice.jpg

I have purchased and started to view the 4-CD Step-by-Step Self-Help Course offered on this website. It's excellent.

I can see that this project is doable. You don't have to be a lawyer to go to court. One can learn how to do what needs to be done. :cup:

[mntruthseeker]

Well I have signed more petitions then I care to try counting.

All I have ever seen was a thank you for signing. I have been signing for codex for almost two years.

Petitions jam up the fax machines and all my calls have been sent to voice mail. I started the year of elecitons and I wish I could say I seen something come out of it

There is a place online that you can start your own petition and trust me, I have done so.

They have petition out there already for what you are saying we should do.

The only good one is recalling the politicians and that would be all the ones I just seen fly by on a list on this forum plus a few more including obama


Go for it................I will sign, I sign them all.

http://www.petitiononline.com/

[Seashore]

Well I have signed more petitions then I care to try counting.

All I have ever seen was a thank you for signing. I have been signing for codex for almost two years.

Petitions jam up the fax machines and all my calls have been sent to voice mail. I started the year of elecitons and I wish I could say I seen something come out of it

There is a place online that you can start your own petition and trust me, I have done so.

They have petition out there already for what you are saying we should do.

The only good one is recalling the politicians and that would be all the ones I just seen fly by on a list on this forum plus a few more including obama


Go for it................I will sign, I sign them all.

http://www.petitiononline.com/

This is something different.

The word "petition" here means petition for injunction. This involves going to court to ask the judge to order that the vaccinations be stopped.

[Seashore]

... http://www.jurisdictionary.com ...



Alex Studer, the San Francisco, CA Chapter Leader for Jurisdictionary.com, was a guest on Bill Deagle's July 20, 2009 radio program (http://gcnlive.com/archive.php?program=nutrimedical), the 2nd and the first part of the 3rd hours.

On July 20, 2009 Alex filed a petition for injunction against a Health and Human Services mandatory vaccination and medical martial law. He used information provided by Dr. Deagle and publicly available information.

He used forms that are available on this website:

http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/forms/

He was assigned a case number, and was told that if he returned on the 21st in the afternoon he should be able to pick up the Order from the Judge - unless that order is denied for some reason.

I will follow up to see what happens...

Dr. Deagle mentioned on the program that we should not try to file these federally; file in our State court.

[Seashore]

...http://www.jurisdictionary.com......I have purchased and started to view the 4-CD Step-by-Step Self-Help Course offered on this website. It's excellent...


However, I don't see anything about a petition for injunction in the materials. I have emailed the company about this.

[Seashore]

There is a template for a petition at the link on the "Let's Get to Work!" thread.

I downloaded the 10 page document. I see that the section at the end with the heading "VERIFICATION" has Dr. Deagle's name on it, and that San Diego is the location of this template. I also see that Dr. Deagle is the Jurisdictionary Chapter Leader for San Diego (https://www.jurisdictionary.com/Clubs/DisplayClubs-byState.cfm).

I don't see any reference to this template on Dr. Deagle's website (http://www.nutrimedical.com/) or on Jurisdictionary's website (http://www.jurisdictionary.com/). It looks legitimate, though, so I wanted to go ahead and post this so people can begin digesting it.

I can't attach the .pdf file because it exceeds the forum's KB limit for the filetype. But people can scroll through the document online and can download free if you register on Scribd. It's the one entitled "Injunction(2)":

http://www.scribd.com/91177info ...Dr. Deagle mentioned on the program that we should not try to file these federally; file in our State court.

I'm looking at my copy of my downloaded template and it says "UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA SAN DIEGO DIVISION," which sounds like a federal court, not State, to me.

Hmmmm.

I will continue working on this. Even if I have to do it by myself.

[Seashore]

Alex Studer, the San Francisco, CA Chapter Leader for Jurisdictionary.com, was a guest on Bill Deagle's July 20, 2009 radio program (http://gcnlive.com/archive.php?program=nutrimedical), the 2nd and the first part of the 3rd hours.

On July 20, 2009 Alex filed a petition for injunction against a Health and Human Services mandatory vaccination and medical martial law. He used information provided by Dr. Deagle and publicly available information.

He used forms that are available on this website:

http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/forms/

He was assigned a case number, and was told that if he returned on the 21st in the afternoon he should be able to pick up the Order from the Judge - unless that order is denied for some reason.

I will follow up to see what happens...



I listened to the archive (http://gcnlive.com/archive.php?program=nutrimedical) of Dr. Deagle's July 24, 2009 show, Hour Two. In the second half of the program, Alex Studer was a guest.

He said that his petition was denied.

He said that at first, he thought he was going to get a temporary injunction, but that the signature of the judge was crossed out and the word "denied" was written at the top. It was denied "without prejudice," which means that he can apply again.

A second guest was Dr. True Ott, another activist involved with the campaign to file petitions for injunction against mandatory vaccination. He said that he has been told by the State Health Department directors in the state of Utah that these petitions are going to be denied because the vaccinations will not be mandatory...

[metaw3]

Jane says that Deagle's injunction template is full of flaws and she has not approved it. The real deal is coming soon and the guy who wrote it for Jane is a die hard "legal activist".

Don't forget that this is a golden opportunity to expose the secret government to its own legal system, for the crimes they condemn. This is a chance to expose the Rockefellers and Rothschilds, and to bypass the disinformation corporate network that concealed them from public knowledge all these years, allowing them to establish a double standard empire built on deception.

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/court-papers-to-stop-mass-h1n1-vaccination-have-been-filed-in-us-district-court-of-new-jersey/

The federal court documents to prohibit mass vaccination with the H1N1 “swine flu” jab are in the process of being filed in a US District Court, and should be ready to be posted on the internet by Friday.

Following standard court procedure, the court will review the papers, stamp the papers with their seal, and give the lawsuit a civil case number, and send them back to the legal team. As soon as the stamp is given and the civil case number assigned, the papers are considered to have been formally filed.

When they receive the original documents back with the US District Court of New Jersey court stamp on them, and with the federal civil case # on them, photocopies of the documents will be made, and the originals will be sent to the defendant by certified mail. The defendants are the federal government. These documents will be photocopied and posted on the web.

This is called “Commencement of Action; Service of Process, Pleadings, Motions, and Orders”, and is required by Rule II of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure as shown at
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/#chapter_ii

It normally takes a federal judge 2 or 3 days to go over the court papers, so this should be done by Tuesday or Wednesday (federal court is not open on weekends). The court clerk gives the court papers a civil case # and then mails them back which takes another 2 or 3 days by mail. So, if the court clerk sends the papers out Wednesday, then they should arrive with the legal team by Friday.

If more new evidence pops up, it cannot be included with the original lawsuit papers in the process of being filed, but it can be submitted into court with an additional Motion.

Many thanks to Elizabeth Book, Tim and the legal team for their work on getting this injunction finished.

Please donate to the legal fund! Effective legal actions requires funds.

Contact

Elizabeth Book, wildrosestands@yahoo.com

JoAnne Cremer, apostlejoanne@hotmail.com

David Maclucas dmaclucas@hotmail.com

for the USA

Also, Sheldon Day has reported he is preparing to file criminal charges at his Local Sheriff’s Department, in PIMA County, Arizona.

Drew Malone Raines is slated to release his own 7-page version of a documents that anywbody can file with their Local Poilce/Sheriff/Court…

Watch his Website tomorrow to download and spread this Document…. http://amd.elequity.com/

WHO will rely on the military and local law enforcement for any mass vaccination programme. Every local Sheriffs Department that knows what is really going on is sure to refuse in a vaccination that is dangerous to their families and ultimately themselves.

So spread the word to your Sheriffs Department as soon as possible.

[Seashore]

Jane says that Deagle's injunction template is full of flaws and she has not approved it. The real deal is coming soon and the guy who wrote it for Jane is a die hard "legal activist".

Don't forget that this is a golden opportunity to expose the secret government to its own legal system, for the crimes they condemn. This is a chance to expose the Rockefellers and Rothschilds, and to bypass the disinformation corporate network that concealed them from public knowledge all these years, allowing them to establish a double standard empire built on deception.

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/court-papers-to-stop-mass-h1n1-vaccination-have-been-filed-in-us-district-court-of-new-jersey/

Oh dear.

What a mess.

I'm listening to the rest of the archive (http://gcnlive.com/archive.php?program=nutrimedical) of Hour Two of Dr. Deagle's July 24, 2009 show.

Dr. True Ott and Dr. Deagle are having a discussion about the fact that Jane Burgermeister has put together a treatise that won't stand up in court.

Other things have been said.

This has turned nasty indeed.

I could use some help from Avalonians who care and can stomach such unpleasantness to listen and help figure out what, if anything, we need to know or understand or do now...

[Seashore]

Oh dear.

What a mess.

I'm listening to the rest of the archive (http://gcnlive.com/archive.php?program=nutrimedical) of Hour Two of Dr. Deagle's July 24, 2009 show.

Dr. True Ott and Dr. Deagle are having a discussion about the fact that Jane Burgermeister has put together a treatise that won't stand up in court.

Other things have been said.

This has turned nasty indeed.

I could use some help from Avalonians who care and can stomach such unpleasantness to listen and help figure out what, if anything, we need to know or understand or do now...

I'm listening to Hour Three now.

Dr. Deagle and Dr. Ott are now discussing MK Ultra in relation to Jane Burgermeister.

For those who may not know, MK Ultra is a mind control program.

[metaw3]

I have listened too. That made me wonder about Deagle. So I did a research and I found this insightful article about him:

The prophet in Clayton Park
http://www.thecoast.ca/halifax/the-prophet-in-clayton-park/Content?oid=961304

It's a long article but worth it. It puts everything into perspective. Kind of a funny writing style also. :)

[Seashore]

I have listened too. That made me wonder about Deagle. So I did a research and I found this insightful article about him:

The prophet in Clayton Park
http://www.thecoast.ca/halifax/the-prophet-in-clayton-park/Content?oid=961304

It's a long article but worth it. It puts everything into perspective. Kind of a funny writing style also. :)

Yes, a very long article.

Since you've read it, how about summarizing it for us?

[Seashore]

...wonder about Deagle. So I did a research and I found this insightful article about him:

The prophet in Clayton Park
http://www.thecoast.ca/halifax/the-prophet-in-clayton-park/Content?oid=961304

It's a long article but worth it. It puts everything into perspective...

Bill Deagle is often attacked.

Members and guests who are interested will all make up their own minds, of course.

Here is a video that introduced me to Bill Deagle as a source of information. Obviously, I find him credible and a valuable resource, or I wouldn't post about him:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2221852945040630461&ei=0bRrSqfWCojMrQLkqKDtCg&q=bill+deagle+at+the+grenada+forum

[metaw3]

The article is good journalism. It is a 6 months research about Deagle. I could not have appreciated the article as much if I haven't seen a few months ago the Granada forums lecture and Project Camelot interview about Deagle. I liked these interviews, and I liked the guy. The article is as objective as can be, so it also reports a few things Deagle doesn't say about him. Give it a try.

[Seashore]

The article is good journalism. It is a 6 months research about Deagle. I could not have appreciated the article as much if I haven't seen a few months ago the Granada forums lecture and Project Camelot interview about Deagle. I liked these interviews, and I liked the guy. The article is as objective as can be, so it also reports a few things Deagle doesn't say about him. Give it a try.

You're not summarizing the article.

Guess you're not interested in doing so. Your choice.

[Karen]

So far it is going like a history of Bill Deagle story - about how an FBI agent mistakenly told him about their 911 plans months before it happened.

And how they removed all kinds of bombs from the Murrah building - as a doctor, his patients confided horrific insider info to him.

http://www.thecoast.ca/halifax/the-prophet-in-clayton-park/Content?oid=961304

Here's a quote about an angel's msg about the future and the "white button."
It wasn't Gabriel's only nocturnal visit to Bill's bedside. On another occasion, Deagle says Gabriel took him inside a secret facility within the North American Air Defence Command base in the Cheyenne Mountains of Colorado. "I told him that I had been in the NORAD facility before and wondered why he was taking me there," the world-wise Deagle explained later. But Gabriel told him this was a new, even more super-secret complex and showed him a "white, bubble-shaped button" labeled "Neutron Fuse."

"What do you think will happen when this system is activated and the president of the United States gives the order to push the white button?" Gabriel asked.

"I don't know," Bill reasonably answered.

Pushing the button, Gabriel explained, will trigger the shutdown of all communications on earth—except for a select few devices controlled by them. That will be the beginning, Gabriel declared, of "the Great Falling Away."

But why was Gabriel telling him all this, Bill Deagle not surprisingly wondered?

[Tramik]

Gabriel? Errr, I'm not much for scripture.

[mntruthseeker]

Seashore,

I love your ambition on getting things moved and fast but as far as I am concern there are already so many "underground militia's" all over the world fighting for this cause and others.

It gets them no where.............I signed the petition, of course an injunction would be nice if one could do so..............even religious beliefs will not stop this..

The smart move would be to have the necessary anti-dotes which many have posted here on hand.

If MSM can cure cancer and malaria, and I know that is true, it will stop this flue.

So be not afraid, roll up your sleeves and have your stash hidden......if we do end up dying, oh well, I doubt that will be all that bad in itself

[Karen]

The smart move would be to have the necessary anti-dotes which many have posted here on hand.

If MMS (corrected name) can cure cancer and malaria, and I know that is true, it will stop this flue.

So be not afraid, roll up your sleeves and have your stash hidden......if we do end up dying, oh well, I doubt that will be all that bad in itself

As Dr. Carley points out - the damages from vaccines are so extensive, there is no true antidote. All kinds of poisons are injected along with the flu virus particles.

I wrote an article on how viruses change up DNA and these vaccines are injecting us with DNA from whatever tissue the virus is grown own - monkey, dog, egg, aborted fetus ...
Stealth Virus Shock and Awe
http://www.childrenofthenewearth.com/free.php?page=articles_free/eck_karen/article18
It changes virus diseases into "stealth" pathogens that your immune system cannot see, and the virus grows unchecked in your body to cause a myriad of chronic diseases.

No vaccine for me. I really would like to live to see the future without these scumbags. But this is the one thing I might fight to the death over. We need an underground network where we have proof we got the shots, but they really were destroyed.

Especially if the vaccine comes preloaded in a syringe - there could be a microchip hiding in the needle. Mark of the beast?

[Seashore]

Everyone has their role to play.

Thank you everyone who is posting.

Together we will figure this out.

Love to everyone. :wub2:

[Seashore]

However, I don't see anything about a petition for injunction in the materials. I have emailed the company about this.

The company replied to my email by asking me to call, which I did. I spoke with them and found out that the material is included; I was just looking in the wrong place.

While on the phone, I learned that there has to be an "imminent danger" and that we can file in state court for this, because they have "concurrent jurisdiction."

[Seashore]

However, I don't see anything about a petition for injunction in the materials. I have emailed the company about this. The company replied to my email by asking me to call, which I did. I spoke with them and found out that the material is included; I was just looking in the wrong place.

However, the sample form that is needed was missing from the materials, and I emailed them about this.

I received a reply with an attached .pdf entitled "Injunction Basics and Sample Form."

Anyone thinking about ordering the materials and using them to participate in this project should be sure that you get this .pdf document.

It is excellent.

[Seashore]

Dr. True Ott has written an article dated August 9, 2009 that is posted on Rense.com.

The title is: "The Illuminati Agenda For The Coming New Order - The PROMIS Of DAYLIGHT And The ORACLE 8i."

The article ends with this: "The only question remaining is:

IS THERE A U.S. ATTORNEY BRAVE AND COURAGEOUS ENOUGH TO SEEK GRAND JURY INDICTMENTS AGAINST THESE MASS MURDERERS???"

Here is the link:

http://rense.com/general87/ilmn.htm

[Seashore]

http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:Ycb-KLnp8SrWLM:http://www.ptla.org/wabanaki/WImages/largescalesofjustice.jpg

I have purchased and started to view the 4-CD Step-by-Step Self-Help Course offered on this website. It's excellent.

I can see that this project is doable. You don't have to be a lawyer to go to court. One can learn how to do what needs to be done. :cup:

At present I am reading one of the tutorials that is part of this course entitled "The Language of Law."

I am struck by this passage: "You have power over your courts. That's right. You have power to command your courts to obey the law. That power is contained in the rules of court, rules of evidence, rules of procedure, rules of judicial administrations, and the maxims -- laws that control every judge, lawyer, officer of the law, and every party who comes before its bar. The courts are subject to the law, and your knowledge of the law commands your power over the courts."

[mntruthseeker]

As Dr. Carley points out - the damages from vaccines are so extensive, there is no true antidote. All kinds of poisons are injected along with the flu virus particles.

I wrote an article on how viruses change up DNA and these vaccines are injecting us with DNA from whatever tissue the virus is grown own - monkey, dog, egg, aborted fetus ...
Stealth Virus Shock and Awe
http://www.childrenofthenewearth.com/free.php?page=articles_free/eck_karen/article18
It changes virus diseases into "stealth" pathogens that your immune system cannot see, and the virus grows unchecked in your body to cause a myriad of chronic diseases.

No vaccine for me. I really would like to live to see the future without these scumbags. But this is the one thing I might fight to the death over. We need an underground network where we have proof we got the shots, but they really were destroyed.

Especially if the vaccine comes preloaded in a syringe - there could be a microchip hiding in the needle. Mark of the beast?



OH BOY, Karen I have done a 90 degree turn on my ideas since I wrote this. I can't even imagine what I was thinking. I am not going to comply and I do know what will happen.

[Seashore]

Here is a new thread related to using the legal system to affect change: "American Grand Jury" (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17948)