Possible North American Union?

[happyhollergal]

I just ran across this article, and was wondering if anyone else has any information on the North American Union that supposedly was established under the Bush administration? I found particular interest in the mention of the continued close cooperation to counter the A/H1N1 influenza pandemic
USPREMEDITATED MERGER
North American summit added to Obama's agenda
Statement from press secretary announces travel plans

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Posted: July 18, 2009
12:25 am Eastern


By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily



President Bush joins the leaders of Mexico and Canada in New Orleans last year (WND photo)

After weeks of total silence on the issue, the White House press secretary today issued a terse statement confirming that President Obama will, in fact, attend the North American Leaders summit with Mexican President Felipe Calderon and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper next month.

WND reported earlier on the silence from the White House about the meeting that used to be known as the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.

The only mention at that time of the Mexico summit that WND could find on a U.S. government website was on a calendar on the U.S. Department of State site that listed only: "August 8-11, North American Leader's Summit, Mexico," with no additional information.

(Story continues below)




Now in an e-mailed statement from Press Secretary Robert Gibbs titled "Upcoming Travel by the President," he confirms Obama will attend.

"The president will travel to Guadalajara, Mexico, August 9-10 to attend the North American Leaders Summit with Mexican President Felipe Calderon and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper," the two-sentence announcement began.

"The summit meeting will provide an opportunity for the United States, Mexico, and Canada to engage on a broad range of issues, including economic recovery and competitiveness in North America, our shared interest in energy and the environment, and cooperation among our governments to promote the safety and welfare of our citizens, including continued close cooperation to counter the A/H1N1 influenza pandemic."

WND has reported that the last annual SPP meeting in New Orleans included a determined public relations effort to drop the SPP designation completely in order to defuse criticism.

When he was a candidate, Obama wrote an article published by the Dallas Morning News entitled, "I will repair our relationship with Mexico," in which he stated: "Starting my first year in office, I will convene annual meetings with Mr. Calderon and the prime minister of Canada. Unlike similar summits under President Bush, these will be conducted with a level of transparency that represents the close ties among our three countries."

Brent Patterson, the director of campaigns at the Council of Canadians, had been critical of Obama for not announcing his plans, questioning Obama's "commitment … to transparency and accountability for this meeting."

The Council of Canadians is a citizens' organization WND has previously reported is actively opposed to North American political integration under NAFTA and the SPP.

WND has previously reported that Robert A. Pastor, the American University professor who for more than a decade has been a major proponent of building a North American Community, has declared the SPP "is dead," largely due to efforts to expose the SPP's North American integration agenda.

WND has also reported that President Obama has backtracked on his campaign promises to renegotiate NAFTA in order to get provisions more favorable to U.S. workers and U.S. jobs.

During the presidential campaign, Obama was forced to fire from his campaign an important economic adviser. Austan Goolsbee, an economics professor at the University of Chicago business school, was dismissed after reporters learned he had traveled to Canada to reassure Canadians that Obama's campaign promises to renegotiate NAFTA were just campaign rhetoric.

In the Ohio and Pennsylvania Democratic Party primaries, candidate Obama had pledged to renegotiate NAFTA as part of his appeal to Ohio and Pennsylvania workers who have lost manufacturing jobs under the free trade agreements negotiated by Presidents Clinton and George W. Bush.

Now, Goolsbee is back in the White House, having taken a leave of absence from the University of Chicago. Obama appointed him to serve as chief economist and staff director of the newly created Presidential Economic Recovery Advisory Board, chaired by former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volker.

Obama also appointed Goolsbee to the Council of Economic Advisors, or CEA, which is charged with assisting in the development of White House economic policy.

[no caste]

Oh yes. I've been doing my best to follow this. There are already several threads on Avalon about it, having to do with sly (I think) SPP agreements that PM Harper (Canada) signed with Bush.

SPP = Security and Prosperity Partnership

Our PM (actually, I think it was Stockwell Day)(coincidentally, DICK Cheney was in Israel) signed one with Israel too. Give me a few minutes to dig them up. Basically, if there is a national emergency (what defines that?), troops can cross over among the SPP countries.

[Angel in Disguise]

Yes... It's all in place... If only people paid attention to this as much as they paid attention to Michael Jackson... Then at the same time, i believe what happened to him might just wake up a few more... They can't win... they won't win... Heal the world... Positive thoughts bring positive outcomes especially when it all seems to be going to hell... :thumb_yello:

[no caste]

I don't know where things are at now re NAU. It's not like anybody puts it on the table to look at. I DO know there's a North American leaders meeting in August that was just confirmed (http://www.windsorstar.com/business/fp/Obama+Harper+Calderon+meet+August/1790486/story.html) for Obama, Harper and Calderon.

If you search terms like SPP, NAU or amero, quite a few threads should come up. Here are a few -

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The Upcoming Crisis in January/Staged Reasons by Bush&Co for NAU North American Union
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9149&highlight=amero

Hal Turner Shows New AMERO Currency
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4587&highlight=amero

Congress closed session FYI Leaked game plan
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9450&highlight=amero

[happyhollergal]

I really appreciate all the input. This is an area that I haven't researched very much, and is very important IMHO to become familiar with so that it too can be exposed. Thank you both!

[Northern Boy]

Steven Harper has been elected by the people of Canada but he is not my PM and therefore he can not negotiate anything on my behalf and anything he does will not apply to me . He is a self serving egotistical ******* and will not finish his second term in office.

[no caste]

The SPP and NAU agreements are tied up, in a very confusing way, with anti-antisemitism, in addition to the post 9/11 'anti-terror' matrix. Now, anyone who is publicly CON the military industrial complex, period, is lumped with antisemitism, terrorists, hate laws, surveillance and legal repercussions.

Israel is very active with espionage etc, but flies under the radar. One of Israel's laws actually applies to Canadians now, which is how the British MP was denied entry to Canada last year.

Canada blocks outspoken British MP George Galloway
Anti-war politician vows to speak to Canadians after 'inexplicable' decision to deny entry on security grounds - Mar 20, 2009 02:30 PM
http://www.thestar.com/article/605682

It all doesn't leave much wiggle room! After 9/11, I did hear about Mossad operatives or weird stories about Building 3, and wrote it *ALL* *ALL* off as antisemitic ****. Even George Soros has taken a lot of criticism by criticizing the 'blind spot' under which Israel (and the Bu****es) operate.

Harper has been right up the a&&. Don't get me going -

[lindabaker]

Ok, this info was kinda confusing because 1. I have been remiss in following Canadian politics (sorry) and 2. A lot of the information is difficult to decipher. Would anyone be willing to interpret in more general terms as to what has happened? I trust your details are impeccable, and maybe some of us are lost in those details and cannot glean the main "thread." Thank you so much. LB

[no caste]

Ok, this info was kinda confusing because 1. I have been remiss in following Canadian politics (sorry) and 2. A lot of the information is difficult to decipher. Would anyone be willing to interpret in more general terms as to what has happened? I trust your details are impeccable, and maybe some of us are lost in those details and cannot glean the main "thread." Thank you so much. LB

Once upon a time there were some bad corporatists. Through hocus-pocus, hoodwinking and hokum in the Age of Humans, they ended up with Ronald Reagan. He had an Irish friend, Brian Mulroney, the Prime Minister of Canada. Together, these two (along with Margaret Thatcher in the UK) bestowed more bunkum, like NAFTA.

Meanwhile,... [skip to 2009] ... the missile defense shield rains its misery on the people of NATO lands.

"How handy would it be?!" exclaimed the bad corporatists, "if we could steal Canada! It has diamonds, oil, few people, agricultural land."

At the drawing board, they devised a VERY BIG PLAN. First, let's blow up something in New York. And so it came to pass that little Blackwater soldiers peppered the lands of Canada with CIA salt.

"Now that that idiot Harper signed everything (ha! without asking Canadians!), all we need is a national emergency to tromp those stupid Canadians! Then, finally, we won't have to dick around with permissions for Alaska pipelines, etc!"

The advertising guy said, "We'll start talking energy independence, right away."

Luckily, there was a flu virus going around. The word 'terrorist' popped up in Dawson Creek, BC. Everyone was already unsettled about the economy.

[orthodoxymoron]

I keep speaking of my desire to base the United Nations on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. Well...how about baby steps? Why not base a North American Union on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights? How about having a non-private central bank issuing the Amero based on silver? How about a North American Union...completely independent of any alien or non North American ownership or rule? Sorry Pope, Queen, and Lucifer. Don't take it personally. Wouldn't this be a swift, firm kick to the NWO NUT$? Before they could recover...we could do the same thing with the United Nations. Game Over.

Globalism is not necessarily a bad thing. Nationalism and Protectionism are not necessarily good things. Choose your battles wisely. We need to hijack the New World Order...make it our own...and call it the True World Order.

[happyhollergal]

no caste, that was a great little story. I started laughing as soon as the story began. Thanks for that. Some of us do need things broken down nearly that simply because there's so much background info on each subject that it's hard to decipher.
orthodoxymoron, I agree with you on the True World Order. Can we start one ourselves just by signing it into existence the way that our elected officiials sign Presidential directives? :original:
I'm following all the leads you guys are sending me to. Thanks a whole bunch.

[orthodoxymoron]

happyhollergal: Sort of. I'm starting to look at the United Nations website...and I have a U.N. photo on my desktop background. I'm planning on doing a rewrite of the U.N. Charter...to completely harmonize with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. I'm simply going to try to think this thing into existence...by imagining that I'm deeply involved with the U.N. as a maverick United Nations Constitutionalist. I'm thinking my way into the elite circles...rather than thinking of me vs them...with me on the outside...and them on the inside. No bullhorns for me.

The executive orders should mostly be reversed...and they should be forbidden. They are an end-run around the Constitution. Treaties are another problem. The U.N. Charter supposedly supercedes the U.S. Constitution. I'm not an expert on this. Heck...I'm not an expert on anything!

[no caste]

happyhollergal: Sort of. I'm starting to look at the United Nations website...and I have a U.N. photo on my desktop background. I'm planning on doing a rewrite of the U.N. Charter...to completely harmonize with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. I'm simply going to try to think this thing into existence...by imagining that I'm deeply involved with the U.N. as a maverick United Nations Constitutionalist. I'm thinking my way into the elite circles...rather than thinking of me vs them...with me on the outside...and them on the inside. No bullhorns for me.

The executive orders should mostly be reversed...and they should be forbidden. They are an end-run around the Constitution. Treaties are another problem. The U.N. Charter supposedly supercedes the U.S. Constitution. I'm not an expert on this. Heck...I'm not an expert on anything!

Hey, ortho, no offense meant here, but the US Constitution hasn't done much. Look at the end result here. We're all worried about dying, no murder, by the hand of the people who had its 'magical power' in their grubby little fists. It died in 2004. But, if you think rescinding *ALL* executive orders is the way around it, GO FOR IT!!

Then, what you need is an army to enforce it!! Unfortunately, I am low on the tanks, nukes, EM weapons, drones, spysats and whatnot, so I can't help.

Ver-r-r-y interesting :thumb_yello:

A few months ago I read about some kind of alternative People's UN. I'll try to remember and dig up the links. The program I saw (conscious media network) had a guy who'd worked in the whitehouse talking about it.

[orthodoxymoron]

Aliens>Vatican>Bilderberg>CFR>Trilateral>USA>>>>>>Constitution. Chain of Command? Wonder why the Constitution doesn't seem to be working? Try driving your car without oil. When the engine seizes up...don't blame the car.

This would have to be mostly voluntary. Force would defeat the original intent and purpose. Lucifer would probably have to agree to this...or it would be a no-go. Orion and Draco might need to agree to it as well. It's a very simple concept...but the reality might be very complex...especially if there is a hollow earth...and extensive underground dwellers. Would it apply to the moon...or not? What about the alien races? Would something else work better? If so...could the alternative be agreed upon? A unifying universal concept and document would have to be simple and effective to actually work for any significant length of time.

[no caste]

Aliens>Vatican>Bilderberg>CFR>Trilateral>USA>>>>>>Constitution. Chain of Command? Wonder why the Constitution doesn't seem to be working? Try driving your car without oil. When the engine seizes up...don't blame the car.

This would have to be mostly voluntary. Force would defeat the original intent and purpose. Lucifer would probably have to agree to this...or it would be a no-go. Orion and Draco might need to agree to it as well. It's a very simple concept...but the reality might be very complex...especially if there is a hollow earth...and extensive underground dwellers. Would it apply to the moon...or not? What about the alien races? Would something else work better? If so...could the alternative be agreed upon? A unifying universal concept and document would have to be simple and effective to actually work for any significant length of time.

Simple & effective: The Golden Rule...?! maybe...?

Hi ortho - I wanted to explain something. When I said the Constitution died in 2004, I was thinking of the voting irregularities, fraud and whatnot. For me, that election and its results were a loud death knoll - a document is as living as those who breathe life into it (uphold it).

I did check up on the vid I was looking for. I didn't find it exactly (the White House guy), but here is the organization I was thinking about. FYI -

PROUT - Cooperatives, Self Reliance, Spirituality
World Prout Assembly - Economy of the People, For the People and By the People!
Put Economic Power in the Hands of the People!
Moralists of the world - unite!

http://www.worldproutassembly.org/images/logo.gif

Here's a link to their site on the 'Election Fraud' page :naughty:
http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/election_fraud/

[Northern Boy]

I don't know where things are at now re NAU. It's not like anybody puts it on the table to look at. I DO know there's a North American leaders meeting in August that was just confirmed (http://www.windsorstar.com/business/fp/Obama+Harper+Calderon+meet+August/1790486/story.html) for Obama, Harper and Calderon.

If you search terms like SPP, NAU or amero, quite a few threads should come up. Here are a few -

.................................................. ......

The Upcoming Crisis in January/Staged Reasons by Bush&Co for NAU North American Union
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9149&highlight=amero

Hal Turner Shows New AMERO Currency
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4587&highlight=amero

Congress closed session FYI Leaked game plan
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9450&highlight=amero

The last i heard was last winter that talks had broke off . Its seems that The U.S. government wants all persons entering the U.S. to submit to fingerprints before entry . And from the article If a Canadian tried to cross the border upon getting to the American side they would have to allow fingerprinting. If they decide not to they would still have to submit to fingerprinting before being allowed to return to Canada . The Canadian state dept balked on such a move refusing the American demand. That is when the Americans got up and Left the table . I have heard nothing since maybe because of the Harper Government being concerned about the almost Coalition Boot Stomping from earlier this year

[no caste]

no caste, that was a great little story. I started laughing as soon as the story began. Thanks for that. Some of us do need things broken down nearly that simply because there's so much background info on each subject that it's hard to decipher.
orthodoxymoron, I agree with you on the True World Order. Can we start one ourselves just by signing it into existence the way that our elected officials sign Presidential directives? :original:
I'm following all the leads you guys are sending me to. Thanks a whole bunch.

You're welcome, happyhollergal :original:

Here are a few more links on this site re NAU:

north american union 09-21-08
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2994&highlight=north+american+union

The Upcoming Crisis in January/Staged Reasons by Bush&Co for NAU North American Union 12-18-08
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9149&highlight=north+american+union

CNN-Lou Dobbs- Obama Backing North American Union. 12-24-08
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9311&highlight=north+american+union

FEMA Camps, H1N1 Quarantines & NAU... National Emergencies -Connections?... [me ;) 07-24-09]
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15647

[Humble Janitor]

How many "stories" are going to come out about this proposed union? I'd like to see them try because it would fail regardless. You simply cannot expect people to abandon sovereignity.

[Northern Boy]

Ok, this info was kinda confusing because 1. I have been remiss in following Canadian politics (sorry) and 2. A lot of the information is difficult to decipher. Would anyone be willing to interpret in more general terms as to what has happened? I trust your details are impeccable, and maybe some of us are lost in those details and cannot glean the main "thread." Thank you so much. LB

The North American Union is born out of NAFTA What it is basically is a treaty between the Three North American Countries. What this treaty does is subvert all your rights The American Constitution the Canadian Charter Of Rights And Freedoms and what ever Constitution Mexico have will not apply under this treaty . This is why your constitutional rights are slowly being stripped from you . If they did it all at once you would raise a big stink do it slowly and you give in easier .

So in The NAU you get to elect representatives or actors . They speak for you but hold no power they get paid for speaking . It will be a charade to make it look like something is being done . The representatives are elected by population the higher the population the more rep`s /actors get to go to the stage / phoney government. So lets say the elite want to divert water from the Great lakes they have a vote amongst the reps/actors they are voting on diverting great lakes water to Mexico and Texas . Because Mexico and America Have more population they could shut Canada out and vote yes. Unless Canada could get a large supply of Reps from the Northern States of America it would be FUBARED and it would happen . Same with industry if they wanted to move all manufacturing to a certain area same thing

Law enforcement also swings under this system the days of being innocent until proven guilty end If Mexican Authorities want you for a crime you are picked up and hauled off to jail . There is a hearing to decide your fate and if decided mexico has a solid complaint your handed over right there and then You get an all expense paid flight to mexico with all exclusive jail rape and guard beatings . The thing is once there they don`t even have to charge you with a crime . How easy is it for countries to avoid having to deal with dissenters under this policy ?

All major infrastructure projects are bid on by all three countries if your looking for work and your company you work for gets a subconracting job from the contract winner and the winners wages are lower then what your boss pays you you work for the lower wage or your out of a job

All territorial water limits around the affected countries are eliminated as well as fishing rights they are open to the world anyone can come in and overfish and its tough luck .

The model they are setting up is similar to the EU Goggle the Movie End of Nations watch it you will find out how the how all the things mentioned above apply to you as well as how the governmeht will be run there will be three levels the actors you elect an appointed group and finally the ones running the show . Almost like we have now only the shadow government steps out of the shadows

[Northern Boy]

How many "stories" are going to come out about this proposed union? I'd like to see them try because it would fail regardless. You simply cannot expect people to abandon sovereignity.

Ireland has twice turned down the EU the last time the same thing was given them to vote on the only difference was it was called The Lisbon Accord they voted no. They are now in the process of resubmitting it to them again and are holding up what the EU wants to implement and I say good for them . If you haven`t watched the movie from the previous post i encourage you it deals directly with why Ireland is voting N0 . One note Switzerland has all the benefits of the EU but are not a member . The reason being all the World crooks have their money there

[orthodoxymoron]

The current globalist crowd seems to be corrupt as hell...and that's pretty corrupt. I like the idea of international cooperation...but I hate the bs they are trying to cram down our throats without our consent. Who is really and truly behind all of this? We need to know this for an absolute certainty...and then turn on the brightest lights we can find...to expose every last bit of evil and corruption. Then...perhaps we can do globalism the right way.

[Northern Boy]

ODM its the same guys as always they want to instill a different way of doing it thats all they want to get the four Unions in place then merge to one . But for the life of me I think they are running out of time

[orthodoxymoron]

I think they have awakened a sleeping global giant. Plus...they have pulled enough highly illegal stuff to put most of them away for a long, long time. I think they got cocky...got sloppy...and now they are losing control. Unfortunately...this may make them very desperate and dangerous. Who knows what's next? We need to make it very easy for them to begin to do the right thing. Come on guys...change sides...before things get really bad.

[Northern Boy]

I think they got cocky...got sloppy...and now they are losing control

Yes ODM when you someone GWB is in charge of the ship your bound to have a few holes in the hull when he brings it back . They have for years laid it right under our noses laughing at us . But we have awoken and realized that the sound of their laughter is annoying to us taken a look around and started to see and focus on what`s under our nose and quite frankly the smell is bad

[no caste]

ODM its the same guys as always they want to instill a different way of doing it thats all they want to get the four Unions in place then merge to one . But for the life of me I think they are running out of time

Northern Boy - Nicely said :thumb_yello: (4 unions=1) And thought-provoking! :shocked:

The thing about a North American Union is that it's also: a convenient alliance with another, i.e. Commonwealth, The Queen, UK etc. It CAN be a geographically far-reaching alliance. Isn't Barbara Bush ...?

Barbara PIERCE (Bush) is the wife of former U.S. president George H.W. BUSH, and the mother of Texas Governer George W. BUSH
http://www.bearhaven.com/family/cousin/barbara.html

George Bush and Barbara Bush are from the same bloodline - the Pierce bloodline, which changed its name from Percy, when it crossed the Atlantic. Percy is one of the aristocratic families of Britain, to this day.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090119144925AAupqV0

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The Commonwealth of Nations (formerly, British Commonwealth) -

The Commonwealth of Nations, usually known as the Commonwealth, is an intergovernmental organisation of fifty-three independent member states. Most of them were formerly parts of the British Empire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations

List of Members -
The Commonwealth of Nations is a voluntary association of 53 independent sovereign states, most of them are former British colonies, or dependencies of these colonies. No one government in the Commonwealth exercises power over the others, as in a political union....

The symbol of this free association is Queen Elizabeth II, known for this purpose as Head of the Commonwealth. This position, however, does not imbue her with any political or executive power over any Commonwealth member states; the position is purely symbolic, and it is the Commonwealth Secretary-General who is the chief executive of the organisation.

Antigua and Barbuda. Australia. Bahamas. Bangladesh. Barbados. Belize. Botswana. Brunei. Cameroon. Canada. Cyprus. Dominica. Gambia. Ghana. Grenada. Guyana. India. Jamaica. Kenya. Kiribati. Lesotho. Malawi. Malaysiain. Maldives. Malta. Mauritius. Mozambique. Namibia. Nauru. New Zealand. Nigeria. Pakistan. Papua New Guinea. Saint Kitts and Nevis. Saint Lucia. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. Samoa. Seychelles. Sierra Leone. Singapore. Solomon Islands. South Africa. Sri Lanka. Swaziland. Tanzania. Tonga. Trinidad and Tobago. Tuvalu. Uganda. United Kingdom. Vanuatu. Zambia

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Last year I read about Canada's 'harmonization' with the UK re accounting. I will have to dig up the article.

[no caste]

This was just released, a partially declassified document. Regarding the historic USA/UK alliance -

ISCAP DIRECTS NSA TO RELEASE COMINT HISTORY
ISCAP = Interagency Security Classification Appeals Panel
http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/

In 2005, the National Security Agency released a partially declassified (pdf) 1952 history of communications intelligence prior to Pearl Harbor with several passages censored. But this month, the NSA released the complete text (pdf, 25pp) (http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/safford-2009.pdf) of the document after the Interagency Security Classification Appeals Panel (ISCAP) determined that there was no justification for continued classification of the withheld portions.

During World War II, "Collaboration with the BRITISH COMINT organization got off to a bad start so far as the Navy was concerned...," according to one newly declassified paragraph from the official history. "For several months U.S. Navy COMINT personnel thought they had been double-crossed by the British and were reluctant to go ahead with collaboration in direction finding and other matters which were greatly to England's advantage throughout 1941." Subsequent cooperation, however, proved "harmonious."

[no caste]

Speaking of "harmony," birds on a wire, chickens in a coop, whatever [ducks in a row]- Stephen Harper (Canada) has also been pushing for free trade with Colombia in S.America too.

Re mining, cocaine, the Americas ...

Stephen Harper's Free Trade Mantra: Hush, Rush, and Sign
http://mostlywater.org/stephen_harpers_free_trade_mantra_hush_rush_and_si gn

Stephen Harper's bizarre logic of free trade with Colombia
http://www.nupge.ca/news_2008/n13ja08b.htm

Harper touts free trade, shies away from terrorism reports in Colombia talks
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Harper+touts+free+trade+shies+away+from+terrorism+ reports+Colombia+talks/1682949/story.html
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Colombia's current government is accused of corruption, links to paramilitary death squads and drug traffickers, and state sanctioned impunity for crimes committed.
Almost 400 trade unionists have been murdered over the past five years and only 1.9% of the crimes have been solved.
Criminal networks control economic activities and political institutions in 23 of the 31 provinces.
Paramilitary terror and massacres have been used to try to dismantle Indigenous, Afro-Colombian and other social movements and vulnerable groups in order to take over their resource rich territories for the benefit of the mostly multinational extractive industries and agriculture such as "African" palm oil. Few controls exist to ensure that extractive companies behave responsibly.
Extrajudicial executions by the army are on the rise.
There are 3.8 million internally displaced people, 57% of which are women. The UN calls this the worst humanitarian disaster in the Western Hemisphere and it is growing.
Given this reality, I believe it does not make sense to negotiate a free trade deal with Colombia before measures are taken to ensure the following:
1. the rule of law and an end to impunity for crimes against union leaders, human rights defenders and the civilian population;
2. that Canadian extractive companies operating in Colombia act responsibly to the communities in which they operate;
3. that displaced communities can return to their lands;
4. that Indigenous and Afro-Colombian communities are involved and allowed a say on development projects which take place on their territories;
5. that no products, resources or other commercial goods are produced on lands illegally appropriated by drug traffickers and paramilitary groups;
6. that a trade deal does not benefit government linked criminal networks;
7. that an international business deal with Colombia or any other country fosters "fair trade", and does not only benefit international investors while worsening widespread conditions of poverty and social exclusion.
Ineffective labour and environmental side agreements with no teeth on rights and standards will do nothing to improve the situation described above.
Until you can assure the Canadian public that these concerns have been addressed please stop negotiations now.
http://petition.web.net/usw/node/1

[no caste]

Harper chokes (again) :thumbdown:
(there is a CDN buyer here; Harper prefers military-industrial complex & foreign owners)

Courts seen approving Nortel wireless asset sale
Tuesday July 28, 05:20 PM
http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/28072009/323/courts-approving-nortel-wireless-asset-sale.html

TORONTO, July 28 (Reuters) - The $1.13 billion sale of Nortel Networks' prized wireless assets to Swedish telecoms equipment maker Ericsson (Stockholm: ERIC-B.ST - news) will likely receive the blessing of the courts on Tuesday, although it is not yet clear if it will pass Canadian government muster.

Ericsson won an auction for the key CDMA and next-generation LTE wireless technology assets of Canada's bankrupt Nortel early on Saturday, beating out Nokia Siemens Networks and private equity firm MatlinPatterson...

If approved by the courts, the deal would still need the approval of the Canadian government, which has been lobbied by BlackBerry maker Research In Motion to block the sale. RIM argues that keeping the Nortel technology in Canada is vital to national security....

TECHNOLOGY NATIONALISM?

Canada's leading political parties have waded into the debate, turning the sale into a nationalist issue and questioning how much Canada is doing to support its technology industry.

The minority Conservative government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper, potentially facing an election later this year, came under increasing pressure on Tuesday from opposition parties to block the deal...

However, government officials could not say for certain if the Ericsson acquisition would be subject to a review.

On Monday, a source said that RIM, which claims Nortel blocked its $1.1 billion approach for the wireless assets last week, has held talks with Nortel about buying the next-generation wireless patents that were not part of the wireless asset sale to Ericsson.
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Compare:
Nortel now - good engineers, bad managers (offshore types)
Avro Arrow 1959 (PM Diefenbaker kills it- CDN aeronautical engineers go to US-NASA and France)

[no caste]

Upcoming meetings -

Harper to meet with Obama, Calderon at summit
Canwest News Service August 9, 2009 11:28 AM
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Harper+meet+with+Obama+Calderon+summit/1875552/story.html

...Calderon and Harper were to have a one-on-one meeting Sunday, and it is expected that Calderon will press Harper to drop the recently imposed visa restrictions on Mexican nationals visiting Canada.

Harper won't get to meet one-on-one with Obama at the two-day Mexico summit. But the prime minister's office announced Friday that Harper will visit Obama at the White House on Sept. 16, a week before the two leaders head to the G20 summit in Pittsburgh.

...After the Mexico summit, Harper is scheduled to fly to Panama, where he is expected to sign a free-trade agreement with Panamanian President Ricardo Martinelli. It will be the first time a Canadian prime minister has visited Panama.

Funny, I never heard anything about free trade with Panama in the news :thumbdown:

On May 2008 the Governments of Canada and Panama agreed to participate in exploratory discussions on the possibility of a free trade agreement. The first round of negotiations took place on 29 October 2008 in Ottawa, Canada. The second was held on 1-5 December 2008, in Panama City, and the third round of negotiations took place the week of January 12-19, 2009 in Ottawa. The fourth round of free trade negotiations ended on 25 March 2009.
http://www.sice.oas.org/TPD/CAN_PAN/CAN_PAN_e.asp

[Starlah]

...After the Mexico summit, Harper is scheduled to fly to Panama, where he is expected to sign a free-trade agreement with Panamanian President Ricardo Martinelli. It will be the first time a Canadian prime minister has visited Panama.

Funny, I never heard anything about free trade with Panama in the news :thumbdown:

On May 2008 the Governments of Canada and Panama agreed to participate in exploratory discussions on the possibility of a free trade agreement. The first round of negotiations took place on 29 October 2008 in Ottawa, Canada. The second was held on 1-5 December 2008, in Panama City, and the third round of negotiations took place the week of January 12-19, 2009 in Ottawa. The fourth round of free trade negotiations ended on 25 March 2009.
http://www.sice.oas.org/TPD/CAN_PAN/CAN_PAN_e.asp[/QUOTE]
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Yes our secretive PM Harper is tiptoeing around the Mulberry Bush again keeping things to himself and those closest to him...doesn't Panama have tax free status for those who move to that country?
As for a North American Union didn't a Second Revolution start this week in the United States of America to directly oppose tyranny in any shape or form?

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com

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History is the lie commonly agreed upon..................Voltaire

[no caste]

Yes our secretive PM Harper is tiptoeing around the Mulberry Bush again keeping things to himself and those closest to him...doesn't Panama have tax free status for those who move to that country?
As for a North American Union didn't a Second Revolution start this week in the United States of America to directly oppose tyranny in any shape or form?
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History is the lie commonly agreed upon..................Voltaire

Maybe that's why this meeting is happening - without the POS :thumb_yello:

Liberals, NDP spring surprise swine flu meeting
Last Updated: 11th August 2009, 12:49am
http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canada/2009/08/11/10422226-sun.html

BTW - Harper signs free trade pact with Panama
http://www.canada.com/business/fp/CanadasignsfreetradeagreementwithPanama/1881029/story.html

The BS Tamiflu - Rumsfeld is helping us!!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/tamiflu.asp
[2006 - US Secretary of Defense owns stock in the company that owns Tamiflu]

[no caste]

I did check up on the vid I was looking for. I didn't find it exactly (the White House guy), but here is the organization I was thinking about. FYI -

Here's a link to their site on the 'Election Fraud' page :naughty:
http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/election_fraud/

Ortho - I happened upon that person I was thinking of at the time. He's Alfred Webre. There are quite a few videos online that come up, including this interview I watched on Conscious Media Network. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/awebre.htm

Alfred Lambremont Webre, J.D., M.Ed. (b. May 24, 1942 on a U.S. Naval Air Station) is an author, lawyer (member of the District of Columbia Bar), futurist, peace activist, environmental activist, and a space activist who promotes the ban of space weapons. [2][3][4][5] He was a co-architect of the Space Preservation Treaty and the Space Preservation Act that was introduced to the U.S. Congress by Congressman Dennis Kucinich and is endorsed by more than 270 NGO's worldwide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Webre

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you no caste. Alfred Webre is an interesting person. I believe he has collaborated with Carol Rosin regarding preventing the weaponization of space. I think I need to transition toward exopolitics. I'm not sure where to turn in this regard...but Michael Salla, Alfred Webre, Carol Rosin, Steven Greer et al...may be a good place to begin. I believe that the human race should control the human race...and not be controlled by an alien nation. Then we can cautiously interact with truly benevolent races...if they exist. All others should be expelled from this solar system...at least until they decide to become benevolent...and demonstrate conclusively that they have, indeed, become truly benevolent.

If the North American Union is based upon the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights (in an uncorrupted form)...and if a silver-based Amero is issued by a non-private central bank...I think it would be a great idea. But if it is simply another step toward a corrupt New World Order Theocracy...then I will passively fight it. :nono:

[no caste]

Attendance list North American forum
Donald Rumsfeld, George Schultz among U.S. officials on roster
Posted: September 21, 2006
1:00 am Eastern

NORTH AMERICAN FORUM CONFIRMED PARTICIPANTS
(Internal Document, Not for Public Release)

Report dated August 31, 2006

Forum Co-Chairs:
Dr. Pedro Aspe
Hon. Peter Lougheed
Hon. George Shultz

Canadian Participants

* Col. Peter Atkinson, Special Advisor to Chief of Defence Staff

* Hon. Perrin Beatty, Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters

* Mr. Peter M. Boehm, Assistant Deputy Minister, North America, Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada

* Mr. Thomas d'Aquino, Canadian Council of Chief Executives

* Hon. Stockwell Day, Minister of Public Safety, Government of Canada

* Dr. Wendy Dobson, The Institute for International Business

* Mr. N. Murray Edwards, Edco Financial Holdings Ltd.

* Mr. Ward Elcock, Deputy Minister of National Defence

* Mr. Bill Elliott, Associate Deputy Minister, Public Safety

* Dr. John English, The Cdn Centre for International Governance Innovation

* Mr. Brian Felesky, Felesky Flynn LLP

* Mr. Richard L. George, Suncor Energy Inc.

* Dr. Roger Gibbins, Canada West Foundation

* Rear Adm Roger Girouard, Commander Joint Task Force Pacific, Cdn Forces

* Major Gen Daniel Gosselin, Director General, International Security Policy

* Mr. James K. Gray, Canada West Foundation

* Mr. Fred Green, Canadian Pacific Railway

* Mr. V. Peter Harder, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs

* Mr. Paul J. Hill, Harvard Developments Inc.

* General Rick Hillier, Chief of the Defence Staff

* Mr. Pierre Marc Johnston, Heenan Blaikie

* Mr. James Kinnear, Pengrowth Corporation

* Mr. Harold N. Kvisle, TransCanada Corporation

* Hon. John P. Manley, McCarthy Tetrault LLP

* Mr. Ron Mannix, Coril Holdings Ltd.

* Mr. Ron Mathison, Matco Investments

* Hon. Anne McLellan, Senior Counsel, Bennett Jones

* Hon. Greg Melchin, Minister of Energy, Government of Alberta

* Ms.Sharon Murphy, Chevron Canada

* Ms. Sheila O'Brien, President, Corporate Director, Belvedere Investments

* Hon. Gordon O'Connor, Minister of Defense, Government of Canada

* Mr. Berel Rodal, International Center on Nonviolent Conflict

* Mr. Gordon Smith, Chairman, The International Development Research Centre

American Participants

* Ms. Deborah Bolton, Political Advisor to Commander, US Northcom

* Mr. Ron T. Covais, President, The Americas, Lockheed Martin Corporation

* Sec. Kenneth W. Dam, Max Pam Professor Emeritus of American & Foreign Law and Senior Lecturer, University of Chicago Law School

* Mr. Dan Fisk, Senior Director, Western Hemisphere, National Security Council

* Sec. Ryan Henry, Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy

* Ms. Carla A. Hills, Chairman & CEO, Hills & Co.

* Ms. Caryn Hollis, DASD (Acting) Western Hemisphere Affairs

* Mr. Bill Irwin , Manager - International Government Affairs; Policy, Government and Public Affairs, Chevron Corporation

* Mr. Robert G. James, President, Enterprise Asset Management Inc.

* Admiral Tim Keating, Commander, US Northern Command

* Mr. Floyd Kvamme, Chair, President's Council of Advisors on Science & Technology; Director, Centre for Global Security Res.

* Dr. Ronald F. Lehman II , Director, Center for Global Security Research, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

* Mr. William W. McIlhenny, Policy Planning Council for Western Hemisphere Affairs

* Dr. Peter McPherson , President, National Association of State Universities & Land-Grant Colleges

* Ms. Doris Meissner, Senior Fellow, Migration Policy Institute

* Dr. George Miller, Director, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

* Mr. George Nethercutt, Chairman, US Section of the Permanent Joint Board on Defense, US – Canada (Security)

* Mary Anastasia O'Grady, Journalist for Wall Street Journal (Area Specialist)

* Dr. Robert A. Pastor, Director, Center for North American Studies, American University, Washington, DC

* Dr. William Perry, Co-Director, Preventive Defense Project

* Lt. Gen. Gene Renuart, USAF Senior Military Assist. to Sec. Rumsfeld

* Mr. Eric Ruff, , Department of Defense Press Secretary

* Sec. Donald R. Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense, US Department of Defense

* Dr. James Schlesinger, Former Sec. Of Energy & Defense

* Mr. William Schneider, President, International Planning Services

* Sec. Clay Sell, Deputy Secretary of Energy, US Dept. of Energy

* Dr. Thomas A. Shannon, Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs

* Dr. David G. Victor, Director, Program on Energy & Sustainable Development, Center for Environmental Science & Policy

* Maj. Gen. Mark A Volcheff, Director, Plans, Policy & Strategy, NORAD-NORTHCOM

* Ms. Jane Wales, President & CEO, World Affairs Council of Northern California

* Mr. R. James Woolsey, Vice President, Booz Allen Hamilton

Mexican Participants:

* Emb Andr?s Rozental, (Mexican Coordinator) – Mexican Council on Foreign Relations

* Silvia Hern?ndez , Former Senator and Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on North America

* Mario Molina , , 1995 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry

* Fernando Chico Pardo , CEO, Promecap

* Juan Gallardo , , CEO, Grupo GEUSA

* Ger?nimo Guti?rrez , Deputy Foreign Minister for North America

* Luis de la Calle , Consultant. Former Deputy Minister of Economy

* Agust?n Barrios G?mez , Solutions Abroad

* Vinicio Suro, , PEMEX

* Eduardo Medina Mora , Secretary of Public Security

* Carlos Heredia , State Government of Michoac?n

* Jaime Zabludowsky , Consultant. Former trade negotiator

* Manuel Arango , CEO, Grupo Concord

* Jorge Santiba?ez , President, El Colegio de la Frontera Norte

* Luis Rubio, CIDAC

* M?nica Serrano , El Colegio de M?xico, Se?or Fellow Oxford University

* Arturo Sarukhan, Coordinator of Int'l Affairs, Campaign of Felipe Calderon

* Juan Camilo Mouri?o, General Coordinator of President Elect's transition team

* Ernesto Cordero, Coordinator for Public Policy Issues Ambassadors/Consul General

* Mr. Carlos de Icaza, , Ambassador of Mexico to the United States

* Mr. Ga?tan Lavertu, Ambassador of Canada to Mexico

* Ms. Maria Teresa Garcia Segovia de Madero, Ambassador of Mexico to Canada

* Mr. Thomas Huffaker, U.S. Consul General in Calgary (on DOD's list)

* Mr. John Dickson, Deputy Chief of Mission, US Embassy in Ottawa, (representing Ambassador of US to Canada)

* Mr. Colin Robertson, Minister & Head, Washington Advocacy Secretariat, (representing Ambassador of Canada to US)
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52079

[no caste]

North American Forum agenda
Program of secretive high-level meeting in Canada
Posted: September 21, 2006
1:00 am Eastern

Draft Detailed September 1, 2006 Agenda
Internal Document

North American Forum

Fairmont Banff Springs Hotel
Banff, Alberta
September 12-14, 2006

Under the Joint Chairmanship of:

The Hon. George Shultz, Former U.S. Secretary of State
The Hon. Pedro Aspe, Former Finance Minister of Mexico
The Hon. Peter Lougheed, Former Premier of Alberta

Continental Prosperity in the New Security Environment

Session I: Opening comments by Messrs. Aspe, Lougheed and Shultz

Session II: A Vision for North America: Issues and Options

Session III: Toward a North American Energy Strategy

Session IV: Opportunities for Security Cooperation in North America (Parts I and II)

Session V: Demographic and Social Dimensions of North American Integration

Session VI: Border Infrastructure and Continental Prosperity

Session VII: Roundtable Conversation with the Co-Chairs

Draft September 1, 2006 Agenda

North American Forum

The Fairmont Banff Springs
Banff, Alberta, Canada
September 12-14, 2006

Under the Joint Chairmanship of:

The Hon. George Shultz, Former U.S. Secretary of State
The Hon. Pedro Aspe, Former Finance Minister of Mexico
The Hon. Peter Lougheed, Former Premier of Alberta

Continental Prosperity in the New Security Environment

Tuesday, September 12th

3:00 to Advance Registration
4:30 pm Location: Heritage Hall

5:00 pm Registration
Location: Oval Room

5:45 pm Opening and Welcoming Reception
Location: Conservatory in the Cascade Ballroom

6:45 pm Dinner & Keynote Address
Location: Cascade Ballroom

8:00 pm Keynote Address – "Energy and Environment: a vision for North America"
Dr. Mario Molina, 1995 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry Wednesday, September 13th

7:30 am Continental Breakfast & Registration
Location: Alhambra Room

8:15 am Keynote Address - Hon. Greg Melchin, Minister of Energy, Government of Alberta
Q & A 8:45 – 9:00 a.m.

9:00 am SESSION I: OPENING COMMENTS BY MESSRS. SHULTZ, ASPE AND LOUGHEED
Location: Alhambra Room

SESSION II: A VISION FOR NORTH AMERICA: ISSUES & OPTIONS
Location: Alhambra Room

9:30 am PANEL:

Moderator: Dr. Thomas A. Shannon, Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs

Panelists:
Robert Pastor, Director, Center for North American Studies, American University
Roger Gibbins, President & CEO, Canada West Foundation
Andr?s Rozental, Mexican Council on Foreign Relations

10:05 am ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION

10:45 am Break

SESSION III: TOWARD A NORTH AMERICAN ENERGY STRATEGY
Location: Alhambra Room

11:05 am REMARKS:
Secretary Clay Sell, Deputy Secretary of Energy, U.S. Department of Energy

11:25 am PANEL:
Moderator: N. Murray Edwards, Vice Chairman, Canadian Natural Resources Limited

Panelists:
Richard George, President & CEO, Suncor Energy Inc.
David Victor, Director, Program on Energy & Sustainable Development,
Center for Environmental Science & Policy
Vinicio Suro, Planning & Evaluation Subdirector, PEMEX

12 noon ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION

12:45 pm Break

1:00 pm Lunch
Location: Cascade Ballroom

1:30 pm Keynote Address: Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense, US Department of Defense

SESSION IV: OPPORTUNITIES FOR SECURITY COOPERATION IN NORTH AMERICA - Military-to-military cooperation
Location: Alhambra Room

2:30 pm PANEL:
Moderator: William J. Perry, former US Secretary of Defense

Panelists:
Admiral Tim Keating, Commander NORAD/USNORTHCOM
Major General Daniel Gosselin, Director General, International Security Policy
Ger?nimo Guti?rrez, Undersecretary for North America, Ministry of Foreign Affairs

3:05 pm ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION

4:00 pm Break

SESSION IV: OPPORTUNITIES FOR SECURITY COOPERATION IN NORTH AMERICA CONTINUED
Location: Alhambra Room

4:15 pm PANEL:
Moderator: William Schneider, President, International Planning Services
Panelists: Ward Elcock, Deputy Minister of National Defence
Eduardo Medina-Mora, Secretary of Public Safety
Ryan Henry, Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Policy

4:50 pm ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION

5:45 pm Wrap-up of daytime sessions

6:30 pm Reception Location: Conservatory in the Cascade Ballroom

7:00 pm Dinner & Keynote Address
Location: Cascade Ballroom

8:10 pm Keynote Address - The Hon. Stockwell Day, Minister of Public Safety, Government of Canada

Thursday, September 14th

7:00 am Breakfast
Location: Alhambra Room

7:15 am Keynote Address - Floyd Kvamme, Chairman, President’s Council of Advisors on Science & Technology

Q & A – 7:40 to 8:00 a.m.

SESSION V: DEMOGRAPHIC AND SOCIAL DIMENSIONS OF NORTH AMERICAN INTEGRATION
Location: Alhambra Room

8:00 am PANEL:
Moderator: Andr?s Rozental, Mexican Council on Foreign Relations
Panelists : Dr. Wendy Dobson, the Institute for International Business
Carlos Heredia, Chief International Affairs Advisor to the Governor of the State of Michoac?n in Mexico
Doris Meissner, Senior Fellow, Migration Policy Institute

8:35 am ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION

9:30 am Break

SESSION VI: BORDER INFRASTRUCTURE AND CONTINENTAL PROSPERITY
Location: Alhambra Room

9:45 am PANEL:
Moderator: Hon. John P. Manley, McCarthy Tetrault LLP
Panelists:
Thomas d’Aquino, Canadian Council of Chief Executives
Carla Hills, Chairman & CEO, Hills & Co.
Luis de la Calle, Consultor

10:20 am ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION

11:00 am SESSION VII: ROUNDTABLE CONVERSATION WITH THE CO-CHAIRS
Location: Alhambra Room
Moderator: Jane Wales, President and CEO, World Affairs Council of Northern California
Presenters: George Shultz, Co-Chair, North American Forum
Peter Lougheed, Co-Chair, North American Forum
Pedro Aspe, Co-Chair, North American Forum

12:00 pm Adjourn

12:30 pm Informal lunch
Location: Alhambra Room
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[orthodoxymoron]

Wow no caste! You have put a massive amount of very useful information on this thread! Thank-you!

:original:Namaste:original:

[no caste]

Wow no caste! You have put a massive amount of very useful information on this thread! Thank-you!

:original:Namaste:original:

Whot!! Are those happy faces, orthodoxymoron!!!! :original:

And just when I found an article about Lucifer (though I happen to agree with 777's more internal terrain ideas) -

Is this Man Lucifer?

Starting in January, [Wes] Penre has written an astonishing five-part series about a Tennessee-based, 35-year-old playboy- tycoon who Penre says is literally the incarnation of Lucifer but "redeemed." [Penre has pulled this series- see below] It's all hush-hush and Penre's life is in danger. He has been contacted by defectors who said young Supriem David Rockefeller dictates to the likes of Henry Kissinger, Zbig Brzezinski and George H.W. Bush. He is going to save mankind by instituting a benevolent New World Order. He wants to atone for the Rebellion against God which is the source of all of mankind's problems. He wants us to accept his rule so he can clean up the mess. (Right, and I have some land in Florida...)
http://www.henrymakow.com/playboy_lucifer_will_launch_be.html

Luckily, he doesn't matter. None of them do.