An urgent request from Jane Burgermeister

[Tramik]

For those of you who don't already know, tomorrow there's a bunch of... essentially Martial Law drills going on tomorrow. It's important to get this information out, because this is very likely a covert operation to move troops into place.

Get this information out, and buckle up. This could be it.

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Dear Members,

An urgent request from Jane Burgermeister:

If you live in the US, please email/fax this to all military bases/major law enforcement stations in your region after typing your name in at the bottom for greater poignancy. You can fax from your computer using Metrofax.

After you have done this, please contact Joanne Cremer at apostlejoanne@hotmail.com and let her know what you have done to avoid duplication of effort!

These potentially dangerous exercises start this coming Monday, so it would be optimal if we could get these sent by that time! See the letter below to use:
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To Our Fellow Americans in the United States Military, In Law Enforcement, and Who Serve as First Responders:

We have reason to believe that the joint NorthCom counterterrorism exercises commencing on July 27, 2009 in Region VI involving troops from the United Nations, United States , United Kingdom , Canada , Germany and Mexico may endanger the sovereignty and general welfare of the United States , as well as that of your families and yourselves.

These combined military exercises are a questionable show of force against a terrorist threat that probably actually consists of the UN and its client national governments forcing this military action upon the American people.

Further, these exercises involving UN troops are timed to coincide with a pandemic emergency exercise organized by FEMA, Homeland Security and the World Health Organization (WHO), an agency of the UN.

We are concerned about the intersection of these combined military exercises with what we feel is a spurious declaration by the UN's World Health Organization (WHO) of a Level VI pandemic of H1N1 influenza.
We have reason to believe this could lead to mandated genocide via lethal mass vaccination of the American people and other peoples of the world, resulting in unprecedented profit for the international bank-based criminal syndicate that presently controls the UN, its WHO, and their client national governments, including that of the United States, as evidenced by the recent federally-mandated bank bailout and unaccountable corporate welfare imposed against the will of the American people and endangering the general welfare of our country.

Especially since members of the military, law enforcement and first responders are part of the population most at risk for such mandated vaccination programs, as well as being those most likely to have to enforce them, we would appreciate if you would be alert to the activities of Homeland Security and FEMA, federal agencies answerable to the WHO and the UN in the United States, under the International Partnership on Avian and Pandemic Influenza signed by President George W. Bush in November 2005.

This 2005 semi-secret international agreement renders the government of the United States and its relevant laws and statutes, as well as our Constitution and Bill of Rights, subservient to the authority of the United Nations and its World Health Organization.

Both the NorthCom counterterrorism exercises and Homeland Security/FEMA drills will be coordinated by the UN and the WHO respectively, possibly providing the international bank-based controllers of the WHO and UN with an opportunity to covertly take over our nation and eliminate most of the population of the United States by means of a federally-mandated program of lethal vaccination accompanied by one of federally-mandated detention for those exercising their constitutional right to refuse such vaccinations.

Below please find several websites where you can find credible documentation of what we are saying here:

www.naturalnews.com/026503_pandemic_swine_flu_bioterrorism.html
www.scribd.com/.../Evidence-of-the-Use-of-Pandemic-Flu-to-Depopulate-US
http://www.legitgov.org/pandemic_action.html

We ask you to stand by the US Constitution and the American people at all times, and, if necessary, to actively intervene if there are signs that FEMA and Homeland Security units following orders from the UN/WHO are misusing these combined military exercises to begin mass vaccinations and detentions.

Thank you for your work in service to your country, and for your consideration.

Your fellow patriot,

[Reader]

Pretty scairy stuff....hang on to your hats! Could be a wild ride

[Tramik]

For those of you who wondered how on earth you could have the man-power to force vaccinations... I think you just got your answer.

[Swanny]

We have reason to believe this could lead to mandated genocide via lethal mass vaccination of the American people and other peoples of the world, resulting in unprecedented profit for the international bank-based criminal syndicate
They dont need money. It's not about wealth

[Dantheman62]

Didn't you know Swanny, there's a lot of money to be made off of dead people!
If you own a cemetary! LOL

Killing everyone off is like opening up a bank on a desert island! No money there!

[mntruthseeker]

wow I sent it to the police dept here in blain so if you dont hear from me for a few days.............you will know why

LOL my husband will so kill me first if he finds out, joking he loves me very much and has tolerate my **** for almost 40 years so I have no doubt that he will just blow steam for a few days. LOL

a fine mess I got myself in...................I want to call attention in any way I can

[Seashore]

For those of you who don't believe that Dr. Bill Deagle is "bordering on insanity," here are excerpts of posts (posts 24 & 25) I have made on the "A Legal Militia" thread regarding Jane Burgermeister:


“…I'm listening to the rest of the archive (http://gcnlive.com/archive.php?program=nutrimedical) of Hour Two of Dr. Deagle's July 24, 2009 show.

“Dr. True Ott and Dr. Deagle are having a discussion about the fact that Jane Burgermeister has put together a treatise that won't stand up in court.

“Other things have been said.

”This has turned nasty indeed...

“I'm listening to Hour Three now.

”Dr. Deagle and Dr. Ott are now discussing MK Ultra in relation to Jane Burgermeister.”
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For those who may not know, MK Ultra is a mind control program. Dr. Deagle and Dr. Ott see her role as not functioning on the side of the people.

[Tramik]

They dont need money. It's not about wealth

For some people it is. Not everybody has had their fill yet.

[Seashore]

For some people it is. Not everybody has had their fill yet.

I agree with this regarding the minions of the powers that be who either know they're minions and like it or don't realize they're minions in the jobs that they do. For them, it's probably all about money.

I hope people will read my previous post on this thread...

[5thDensity]

In last interview with Rense, Ben Fulford said that Jane Burgermeister is under protection, whatever that means. He said also "Dont take vaccine":trumpet:

[Tramik]

Apparently these foreign troops who are participating in these drills will create "the look and feel of an invasion". This will obviously cause mass confusion and most likely conflict.

Is this event to become a false flag? Sheesh.

[Humble Janitor]

Hate to sound ignorant but where exactly are these drills taking place and what should be the reaction to them?

[metaw3]

You can follow the progress here:
http://www.thehealingpraxis.com/OperationFaxtoStoptheVax.html

There's even a link to a list of the military bases by state.

[Humble Janitor]

Would it really be a good idea to fax law enforcement agencies? What if they're skeptical and just ignore the fax? What if they knock on my door?

[metaw3]

I guess it's possibe to fax anonymously and free with a site like this but I've never used those:
http://faxzero.com/

[Humble Janitor]

I guess it's possibe to fax anonymously and free with a site like this but I've never used those:
http://faxzero.com/

It requires the faxee's email address. Can't possibly do that.

Though I honestly feel that our law enforcement agencies are already on top of it, ditto for the military.

My cousin works for the U.S government as well. I bet he knows stuff that I will never know.

[Seashore]

Hate to sound ignorant but where exactly are these drills taking place and what should be the reaction to them?

Per this article:

http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/fema-to-hold-regional-anti-terrorism-drill-in-july/

FEMA Region VI: Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas.

[Humble Janitor]

Per this article:

http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/fema-to-hold-regional-anti-terrorism-drill-in-july/

FEMA Region VI: Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas.

Hmm. There will probably be a lot of resistance and I'd hate to see/hear about something bad coming from this.

Then again, it might not be what we think it is.

[unlimited mind]

Per this article:

http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/fema-to-hold-regional-anti-terrorism-drill-in-july/

FEMA Region VI: Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas.

are any of these states claiming sovereignty? if so, could be a chess move. or all this could be BS.

[Seashore]

For those of you who don't already know, tomorrow there's a bunch of... essentially Martial Law drills going on tomorrow. It's important to get this information out, because this is very likely a covert operation to move troops into place.

Get this information out, and buckle up. This could be it.

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Dear Members,

An urgent request from Jane Burgermeister...



For reasons stated in a previous post, I wouldn't do anything Jane Burgermeister suggests that I do.

[tone3jaguar]

For those of you who don't believe that Dr. Bill Deagle is "bordering on insanity," here are excerpts of posts (posts 24 & 25) I have made on the "A Legal Militia" thread regarding Jane Burgermeister:


“…I'm listening to the rest of the archive (http://gcnlive.com/archive.php?program=nutrimedical) of Hour Two of Dr. Deagle's July 24, 2009 show.

“Dr. True Ott and Dr. Deagle are having a discussion about the fact that Jane Burgermeister has put together a treatise that won't stand up in court.

“Other things have been said.

”This has turned nasty indeed...

“I'm listening to Hour Three now.

”Dr. Deagle and Dr. Ott are now discussing MK Ultra in relation to Jane Burgermeister.”
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For those who may not know, MK Ultra is a mind control program. Dr. Deagle and Dr. Ott see her role as not functioning on the side of the people.



I just listened to this show and it is a must listen. This show of Dr. deagles deserves it own thread. After listening to Dr. Deagle and his guests strait foward common sence take on what Burgermeister has been up to it is easy to see through it. If you are after the truth you need to listen to this show.

[Seashore]

For those of you who don't believe that Dr. Bill Deagle is "bordering on insanity," here are excerpts of posts (posts 24 & 25) I have made on the "A Legal Militia" thread regarding Jane Burgermeister:


“…I'm listening to the rest of the archive (http://gcnlive.com/archive.php?program=nutrimedical) of Hour Two of Dr. Deagle's July 24, 2009 show.

“Dr. True Ott and Dr. Deagle are having a discussion about the fact that Jane Burgermeister has put together a treatise that won't stand up in court.

“Other things have been said.

”This has turned nasty indeed...

“I'm listening to Hour Three now.

”Dr. Deagle and Dr. Ott are now discussing MK Ultra in relation to Jane Burgermeister.”
________________________________________________

For those who may not know, MK Ultra is a mind control program. Dr. Deagle and Dr. Ott see her role as not functioning on the side of the people.



I just listened to this show and it is a must listen. This show of Dr. deagles deserves it own thread. After listening to Dr. Deagle and his guests strait foward common sence take on what Burgermeister has been up to it is easy to see through it. If you are after the truth you need to listen to this show.

Thank you, tone3jaguar.

Usually people bash Dr. Deagle.

And for sure, we need to work together here to get to the truth. It's HARD WORK and we all need to help out!!

[Tramik]

I'm not sure how relevant the courts are in this case. These people own the law. I think it's more about creating awareness than battling this thing out in court or on the field, both places they own with ease. Lots to think about, though.

[Seashore]

I'm not sure how relevant the courts are in this case. These people own the law. I think it's more about creating awareness than battling this thing out in court or on the field, both places they own with ease. Lots to think about, though.

Yes, we have a problem with the courts.

But ordinary people filing petitions for injunctions shows the minions of the powers that be that we're on to what's happening. We're not stupid. We're not fooled by lies, obfuscation, and intimidation.

And we don't want the stupid vaccinations.

We're expressing ourselves using the system that we have. Even if the petitions are denied, we're still expressing ourselves. :thumb_yello:

[tone3jaguar]

Dr. Deagle did have a temporary loss of his discernment and sanity about 1 year ago when he called Kerry and Bill because he had visions of nuclear apocalypse. Other wise he has been pretty much a strait shooter. Now if you look at his temporary loss of sanity back then from a materialistic psychological point of view your logic would tell you that he might have a screw or two loose.

On the other hand if you yourself had been a victim of the same type of attempted spiritual mind control at one time in you life as he was back then, your conclusion would be that he had become a threat and was successfully targeted by some advanced level noxious magic. This is my opinion of why he flipped last year. I had the same thing happen to me over 12 years ago. It only lasted less than 48 hours and I have not had any temporary insanity since then. Some factions of the PTB do weild this type of thing. It is not made up, it is real.

The issue that Dr. Deagle and his guest brought up with Burgermeister was very easy to understand. Apparently she had been welcomed by Dr. Deagle and his college into the inner circle of activists pushing against the vaccine dangers. She published a document that had some facts that could only be verified and connected together with a bunch of conjecture that may or may not be true, but would not be verifiable in the hands of a lawer. Dr. Deagle very politely pointed out to her that there where some things in the document that would cause it to not be able to be used in any legal proceeding because of some assumptions and conjecture. She then lashed out at him accusing him of being part of the PTB, so on and so fourth. His conclusion is that she is either a crazy person or a government op that is running diversionary tactics so that the people who would normally be taking action will just sit back and watch her do it. He may be right, who knows.

I know one thing is for sure, I am not buying into any of the stories about vaccinations being forced onto people by gun point. Americans have more guns than they do and they know it. They would risk a revolution if they tried it. They may be willing to risk such a thing, I don't know. My guess would be that they are smarter than that. Again, who knows. The only way we will find out is if we catch a couple of the scum bags that are higher ups at Baxter Pharmaceutical, hook their balls to a couple of car batteries, and start asking questions.

[Seashore]

Dr. Deagle did have a temporary loss of his discernment and sanity...



I remember that phone call, and I remember the passion in his voice...

I feel that he is a man of strong conscience. He considers himself to be an intuitive, and he has said that he had a near death experience when he was 8 years old, I believe it was.

I did not feel that he lost his discernment. I think that he simply cares passionately about humanity and feels the weight of the world on his shoulders. There are so few people who speak out.

[mntruthseeker]

I agree with you Tone3Jaguar.........Absoluetly 100 %

I remember the story but it was based on a dream.............we all know where those dreams come from...........look what happen regarding 10-14-09 when Blossom said a mother ship would show up...........

We mustn't forget how Allah appeared before the prisioner in Guantanamo Bay to say he was behind 9/11 so he confessed.

[Tramik]

I know one thing is for sure, I am not buying into any of the stories about vaccinations being forced onto people by gun point. Americans have more guns than they do and they know it. They would risk a revolution if they tried it. They may be willing to risk such a thing, I don't know. My guess would be that they are smarter than that. Again, who knows. The only way we will find out is if we catch a couple of the scum bags that are higher ups at Baxter Pharmaceutical, hook their balls to a couple of car batteries, and start asking questions.

I’ve thought of this as well. After thinking about it for a long time, if forced vaccination does happen, it won’t necessarily be “forced”.

We all know how these people operate. Problem-reaction-solution. From understanding their methods, I think they’ll eventually make most people WANT the vaccine because the virus will become immune to Tamiflu (which it already has), and will have an increased death rate (this is also happening). In other words, with the use of the media, it is very likely people will be manipulated into wanting the vaccine. The more people that get the vaccine, the more die. The more that die, the greater the risk of Martial Law. If enough people are dying, I could actually see the majority of the public WANTING mandatory vaccination out of fear. The idea is to make the vaccine appear to be worth the risk in comparison to the virus.

Anyways, that’s how I see it going down. They’re not going to force it on you. They’ll make you want it. That’s it works.

[Christo888]

I’ve thought of this as well. After thinking about it for a long time, if forced vaccination does happen, it won’t necessarily be “forced”.

We all know how these people operate. Problem-reaction-solution. From understanding their methods, I think they’ll eventually make most people WANT the vaccine because the virus will become immune to Tamiflu (which it already has), and will have an increased death rate (this is also happening). In other words, with the use of the media, it is very likely people will be manipulated into wanting the vaccine. The more people that get the vaccine, the more die. The more that die, the greater the risk of Martial Law. If enough people are dying, I could actually see the majority of the public WANTING mandatory vaccination out of fear. The idea is to make the vaccine appear to be worth the risk in comparison to the virus.

Anyways, that’s how I see it going down. They’re not going to force it on you. They’ll make you want it. That’s it works.

And this is exactly how tptb think they are exempt from karma for interfering with freewill by claiming 'well the people asked for it.'



Sounds pretty accurate to past MO's of how the (lack of) action/reaction gives permission to legislation at the peoples request.

Kinda like when illegals flooded in and nothing was done until enough people demanded legislation to stop it so then congress passed new laws that stomped on Civil Liberty's... because we the people asked for it!

So perhaps the vaccinations will be presented as a "for your safety" campaign demanded by the public.

They are here to help us! :naughty::lmfao::lol3::roll1::roftl:

[tone3jaguar]

I’ve thought of this as well. After thinking about it for a long time, if forced vaccination does happen, it won’t necessarily be “forced”.

We all know how these people operate. Problem-reaction-solution. From understanding their methods, I think they’ll eventually make most people WANT the vaccine because the virus will become immune to Tamiflu (which it already has), and will have an increased death rate (this is also happening). In other words, with the use of the media, it is very likely people will be manipulated into wanting the vaccine. The more people that get the vaccine, the more die. The more that die, the greater the risk of Martial Law. If enough people are dying, I could actually see the majority of the public WANTING mandatory vaccination out of fear. The idea is to make the vaccine appear to be worth the risk in comparison to the virus.

Anyways, that’s how I see it going down. They’re not going to force it on you. They’ll make you want it. That’s it works.


Or the people behind such an evil plan are desperate because if they do not do something fast then they will loose just about everything they have been working for, for the last 500 years.

On the other hand you are probably right. Dr. Deagles guest in the last hour was telling about how the government in its rush to find a Polio vaccine back in the 50's rushed and grew the vaccine on the liver cultures of Reses Monkeys. They then vaccinated the entire population with this brew. Then years later they found out that the very cultures that they grew the vaccine on where infected with a then unknown monkey virus that causes multiple kinds of cancer.

Now back then they did it on accident. They really where trying to cure Polio. Now however, the negatives have much more control of the pharmaceuticals then they did back then. According to Deagle, they are growing this vaccine on the very same types of Reses Monkey liver cultures that they accidentally did back in the 50's. Are they going for an intentional repeat of the f--k up from the 50's? This is not good at all.

[Seashore]

Or the people behind such an evil plan are desperate because if they do not do something fast then they will loose just about everything they have been working for, for the last 500 years.

On the other hand you are probably right. Dr. Deagles guest in the last hour was telling about how the government in its rush to find a Polio vaccine back in the 50's rushed and grew the vaccine on the liver cultures of Reses Monkeys. They then vaccinated the entire population with this brew. Then years later they found out that the very cultures that they grew the vaccine on where infected with a then unknown monkey virus that causes multiple kinds of cancer.

Now back then they did it on accident. They really where trying to cure Polio. Now however, the negatives have much more control of the pharmaceuticals then they did back then. According to Deagle, they are growing this vaccine on the very same types of Reses Monkey liver cultures that they accidentally did back in the 50's. Are they going for an intentional repeat of the f--k up from the 50's? This is not good at all.

We need to keep doing what we're doing. We need to keep posting everywhere on the internet that we can, and do everything else that we can think of to increase public awareness.

It's a difficult subject. It has taken me months to really have it sink in that vaccines are harmful. When people first hear it, they can't believe it. It takes awhile to unlearn what you have taken for granted and relearn something else.

We need to keep at it...

[mntruthseeker]

It requires the faxee's email address. Can't possibly do that.

Though I honestly feel that our law enforcement agencies are already on top of it, ditto for the military.

My cousin works for the U.S government as well. I bet he knows stuff that I will never know.

You can go to your nearest library and just use concerncitizen@yahoo.com

it doesnt matter if they come find me cause this is HUGE I went all over and reviewed the information I could on this and they do plan on forcing the vaccination on us. Its sad that they are calling for the elderly, blacks and children to test it for money. Its starts off in Rochester NY and the pay is 50 - 100 and a toy for the child. How very sad to hit where the pocketbook counts on so many unfortunates.

We must spread this any way we could.

[Seashore]

From Dr. Deagle's website (http://www.nutrimedical.com/news.jhtml?method=view&news.id=2200):



JANE BURGERMEISTER



Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:53:26 -0600

Like I have warned, Jane Burgermeister is either psychotic, or she is a very dangerous double agent with a definite agenda. (Is that "name-calling" or just stating FACTS???)

In this latest rant, she is publicly advocating that American citizens "target" government agents and command centers with VIOLENCE tomorrow, July 27 during the FEMA exercises. Folks, that is the WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN!!!! Doesn't this rhetoric make her a "terrorist" under The Patriot Act?

She is advocating this violence immediately after CORRECTLY ASSESSING that this is exactly what the elite WANT TO SEE HAPPEN - so that eventually the elite will be able to better justify the imposition of martial law. Isn't this psychotic??

The kicker is, Jane is doing all of this secure and safe in her bungalow in Austria --

SHE IS NOT EVEN AN AMERICAN, and is not bound by American laws! She is continuing to expose her narcissistic personality -- what makes her think she can give Americans such dangerous "marching orders" -- unless they are coded messages to American "sleeper" agents (Manchurian Candidates) which is also a very real possibility.

Dr. Ott PhD ND

[Dantheman62]

seashore, that's the phone call that made me say that Deagle is bordering on insanity.
You can't tell me that was or is a sane man!
Jane Cheeseburgermeister= disinfo?, psychotic? hmmm imagine that, LOL
You all are just skimming the top, and really aren't looking in the right place.
It's taken me 11 months to figure things out, and I'm real close to putting it together!
Hint 1= throw away 99% of what you read, hear, and watch on the internet!
Hint 2= start looking closer to home, like this forum and it's origination!

You'll eventually start to see what I see, and it's ugly!
I'm not knocking anybody, and I like most people on this forum.
I'm a straight shooter, well grounded, no bulls..t kind of person and just trying to help those out that are looking in the wrong direction!

[Seashore]

seashore, that's the phone call that made me say that Deagle is bordering on insanity.
You can't tell me that was or is a sane man!
Jane Cheeseburgermeister= disinfo?, psychotic? hmmm imagine that, LOL
You all are just skimming the top, and really aren't looking in the right place.
It's taken me 11 months to figure things out, and I'm real close to putting it together!
Hint 1= throw away 99% of what you read, hear, and watch on the internet!
Hint 2= start looking closer to home, like this forum and it's origination!

You'll eventually start to see what I see, and it's ugly!
I'm not knocking anybody, and I like most people on this forum.
I'm a straight shooter, well grounded, no bulls..t kind of person and just trying to help those out that are looking in the wrong direction!

I look forward to your words of wisdom.

Go for it.

[Dantheman62]

I need to back up a little first about Dr. Deagle, yes he is very intelligent, and I do give him credit for that. I used to work in the medical field and had to deal with a lot of very intelligent doctors. They were heads of their departments like Radiology, Oncology, and so on, and I used to have a saying I used, that most were too smart to tie their own shoes! Meaning they had no common sense at all, none! I used to laugh behind their backs and call them smart idiots, LOL

So I'm saying just use your common sense about things. If it sounds to weird or outlandish to be true, then it probably isn't true.

Throw out 99% of everything you hear because it's BS and is becoming a nice business for some. Think disinfo, disinfo, disinfo!

On the other hand, that 1% left over that you might accept as truth or possible truth is hard to wrap your head around sometimes and you really have to look at the big picture.
It's hard and I'm still working on it, after 11 months though I am getting closer to figuring out, but not there yet.

I won't be on this forum much longer, I've lost respect for Bill and Kerry,as their ego is now starting to catch hold of them, and it's clouding their thinking process, and their common sense judgement of their sources. It's right there in front of you just look closely!
Ego can do bad things to good people!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you don't start a business and walk away from it!
You might say " this forum isn't really a business"
Well it is, and it became a business as soon as it went to subscription!

Walking away from a business is bad business!!
It shows a total non-caring attitude! And if they don't care, then I don't care anymore, and they'll never get anymore money from me, period!

Like I said, disinfo, and extravagant claims by inflated ego- so called whistleblowers, is a huge business these days, $$$$$

And I'm not saying don't listen! Listen very carefully, then throw away 99% and use common sense on the remaining 1%

The answers really are much stranger than the questions most of the time. Truth will only come from within yourself, so be honest with yourself at all times!
When you hear something and say, "wow, could this be true?" think real hard and use your gut feeling, most of the time dealing with these kind of subjects, it'll say "nah, not possible", or if your gut tells you "yes, maybe it is true", you'll know because it will hit you hard!, and you'll sit back and go, "wow, holy s...t!"

It's hard to figure out, but just remember, there is no right or wrong decision, there is just 'the making of that decision' that's the hardest part!

I don't know if any of my ramblings are making any sense to you, and this is the first time I've ever posted something like this on this forum, so those that know me might be surprised, or might just listen.

I've been a little hard on some here like Tramik and maybe Viking for posting fear mongering, and doom and gloom info/disinfo.But you have to realize that that's exactly what the PTB, or whatever three letter name you want to use, want you to do! They want people to post that **** all over the place so people will freak out and talk about it and share it with everyone they know! Hence the rapid spread of disinfo!

Because again, you have to look at the bigger picture and try to wrap your head around it. It's a hard, hard thing to do! Do you ever notice how we talk and talk about every subject here till we're blue in the face, with never ever a conclusion, never an ending just goes full circle, with everyone putting in their best opinion to try and figure things out, and we never figure it out do we?

Then the thread gets buried and we talk about the next subject, go full circle with no conclusion, then it gets buried, and so on! hmmm, disinfo is big business huh?

Think about it.

[Seashore]

I need to back up...

Dan, no offense, but you haven't said anything.

[Northern Boy]

Dan has said volumes Mary .


The answers you seek are in this forum but many glean over them looking for some thing else . Our bodies will not be coming with us when we leave if you are intending to stay good for you and you need not worry . disregard this
If you are looking for something that is going to allow you that possibility it will be a long wait . Dan is not being or trying to be offensive but there are still many who do not understand what it is they face.


You are in a battle with........ YOU and no one else. Its time to be more objection-al Take a look at some of the posts you read and look behind their meanings and you will see their truths

[Tramik]

So I'm saying just use your common sense about things. If it sounds to weird or outlandish to be true, then it probably isn't true.

That's not necessary the case, and you should never base a claims accuracy on appearance alone. After all, how many people would view just the UFO topic in general as "outlandish"? Essentially your argument boils down to ones perception. Regardless of how outlandish something sounds you should never dismiss it for appearing so - you should do some investigation to determine the "possible" truth.

Remember, common sense is attained through time and experience. What is common sense to one person isn't necessarily the same as another.

Throw out 99% of everything you hear because it's BS and is becoming a nice business for some. Think disinfo, disinfo, disinfo!

I'm really not trying to create a feud by picking you apart, but I think this is wrong. Even if 99% of the information out there is false, that doesn't mean you dismiss 99% of the information. To me, that's common sense.

I've been a little hard on some here like Tramik and maybe Viking for posting fear mongering, and doom and gloom info/disinfo.

Fear mongering and disinfo? What are you talking about? If I've posted something that made you feel afraid that doesn't make me a fear monger. The truth is we are in troubled times, and exciting times, and I'm not going to hold back a conversation because some people are afraid. Intelligent conversation is the path to enlightenment, in my opinion.

Do you ever notice how we talk and talk about every subject here till we're blue in the face, with never ever a conclusion, never an ending just goes full circle, with everyone putting in their best opinion to try and figure things out, and we never figure it out do we?

Maybe that's your perspective, but definitely not mine and many others I'm sure. This forum has brought many things to my attention and allowed me to meet new people both locally and foreign.

When you say, "...with everyone putting in their best opinion to try and figure things out, and we never figure it out do we?" That depends on what you mean by, "figuring it out". This forum has multiple purposes and has never, ever, claimed to be the source of the end all be all truth. Anyone who knows anything knows things can change in a heart beat. On many levels, this forum has helped people, and I'm sure more people here would agree... after all, that's why we're here.

The objective for this forum is:

1)to provide important information and resources to enable individuals and communities to function optimally in what may be troubled times ahead.

2)to support aware individuals in networking and forming groups as they wish.

If you're here to just, "figure things out", maybe you're in the wrong place? Sure, we all like to participate in that discussion, but essentially the goal of this forum is dependable on the topic of the thread, thus making it impossible for it to either succeed or fail. Just my thoughts.

[Dantheman62]

seashore,seashore,seashore, I'm sure you're a very sweet person just trying to figure this stuff out like the rest of us. But I actually said a lot!, like I said, it's taken me 11 months to try and figure out what's really going on, and I'm getting close!

I can't just give you names and instances because I'll get kicked off the forum.
Just read it again and think about it, yes I'm beating around the bush trying to get you to see it, and figure it out. I did really say alot, but maybe some of you aren't quite ready to see it yet, and no offence to you at all by me saying that, as it really took me 11 months!

I know that it's frustrating, and I really hate it when whistleblowers take you to the brink and say, "oh, that's all I can say about that, or I can't tell you that part"
I just want to reach through the screen and strangle them, LOL

hmmm this is tough, because I really want to just yell it out loud. But not yet, I'm still figuring it out more. In the mean time just keep your eyes and ears open.

[Seashore]

Dan has said volumes Mary .


The answers you seek are in this forum but many glean over them looking for some thing else . Our bodies will not be coming with us when we leave if you are intending to stay good for you and you need not worry . disregard this
If you are looking for something that is going to allow you that possibility it will be a long wait . Dan is not being or trying to be offensive but there are still many who do not understand what it is they face.


You are in a battle with........ YOU and no one else. Its time to be more objection-al Take a look at some of the posts you read and look behind their meanings and you will see their truths

Dan announced that he had the answers to countradict the information that Dr. Deagle has put out.

Let's not change the subject.

[Tramik]

Hey Dan, I am curious to know what is you know. When you get the time or feel you are capable of sharing, please create a topic and do so. Don't forget to supply us with some evidence so we can reach our own conclusions as well.

Cheers.

[NewParadigmGuy]

I can't just give you names and instances because I'll get kicked off the forum.

If Bill and Kerry are really as disinterested in this forum as many think they are then why would you get kicked off? Maybe you could just post your information and nobody would even notice.

You've certainly piqued my curiosity... I say just spit it out! :original:

[Dantheman62]

Tramik, sorry dude, but you really haven't a clue yet. But that's ok, I didn't either when I first came on this forum and other forums.

You're wrong on so many points!

Fear? in me? HaHa, wow you really have no idea, and if you knew me you would laugh at that statement!

HaHa I'm still laughing at that one, OMG,

Wow, really I'm not even going to waste my time responding to you anymore, LOL, blind in one eye and can't see out of the other, LOL, you've no clue whatsoever, and actually you're a prime candidate for conspiracy forums! They love people like you.

[Dantheman62]

Oh trust me I'll get kicked off!, the info isn't about Dr. Deagle seashore.

[NewParadigmGuy]

Oh trust me I'll get kicked off!

Well, you said you were getting ready to leave anyway. Why not just speed up the process?

[Tramik]

Tramik, sorry dude, but you really haven't a clue yet. But that's ok, I didn't either when I first came on this forum and other forums.

You're wrong on so many points!

I'm prepared to be wrong. Please educate me, with all seriousness.

Fear? in me? HaHa, wow you really have no idea, and if you knew me you would laugh at that statement!

HaHa I'm still laughing at that one, OMG,

Dan, you claimed I was fear mongering, remember?

Wow, really I'm not even going to waste my time responding to you anymore, LOL, blind in one eye and can't see out of the other, LOL, you've no clue whatsoever, and actually you're a prime candidate for conspiracy forums! They love people like you.

That's pretty arrogant given the fact you don't know what I know. I'm prepared to learn anything. Calling me blind and saying I have no clue about anything amounts to nothing.

How about you point me in the right direction instead of just insisting you're on the verge of a great truth after 11 months (heh, 11 months) of brilliant research.

C'mon, Dan, enlighten us with your brilliance. Enough with the claims, walk the walk, buddy.

[Tramik]

From Dr. Deagle's website (http://www.nutrimedical.com/news.jhtml?method=view&news.id=2200):



JANE BURGERMEISTER



Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:53:26 -0600

Like I have warned, Jane Burgermeister is either psychotic, or she is a very dangerous double agent with a definite agenda. (Is that "name-calling" or just stating FACTS???)

In this latest rant, she is publicly advocating that American citizens "target" government agents and command centers with VIOLENCE tomorrow, July 27 during the FEMA exercises. Folks, that is the WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN!!!! Doesn't this rhetoric make her a "terrorist" under The Patriot Act?

She is advocating this violence immediately after CORRECTLY ASSESSING that this is exactly what the elite WANT TO SEE HAPPEN - so that eventually the elite will be able to better justify the imposition of martial law. Isn't this psychotic??

The kicker is, Jane is doing all of this secure and safe in her bungalow in Austria --

SHE IS NOT EVEN AN AMERICAN, and is not bound by American laws! She is continuing to expose her narcissistic personality -- what makes her think she can give Americans such dangerous "marching orders" -- unless they are coded messages to American "sleeper" agents (Manchurian Candidates) which is also a very real possibility.

Dr. Ott PhD ND

That's actually true, as far as I know. She was advocating violence which, needless to say, really threw me off.

Something's definitely not right here...

[Northern Boy]

I posted this earlier tonite over on the Camelot page in the defeat NWO thread and thought maybe sticking it here might clear some thins up I hope this helps




To defeat this group you need but one weapon .......YOU ........... Each individual must have the courage to believe what is right in their hearts and be strong enough to carry forward with it .......... I`am not suicidal or nuts but If you are afraid to die they have already won because you have shown your fear to yourself . It will be the thing that drives you to do what you must .

With the phony plague they are inflecting upon us and its medical prevention you get your choice at possibly Gun point,your way or their way if it comes to it .

I read here on this forum and others talk of love an compassion but what is love ? Is it simply putting your arms around someone and giving them a hug or a kiss ? Offering a helping hand or money to some one who needs it or is down on his luck ? The Sharing of ones home or possessions to some one who has lost theirs . it is all this and a whole lot more and many will have varying degrees of love . That is why there is unconditional love I suppose it has a different meaning . We are all blessed with it by our creator and yet we as a species very seldom share it with others unless we are in times of conflict and we must pick sides

You hear of war stories of some laying on grenades to save their fellow troops, heroism beyond what normally is called for. Why ? What drives some one to do this thing . Could it be part of an unconditional love of those he served with that he would be take his life so others could live. Well we are all becoming those soldiers unknowingly .

We have read in some posts here that you can not die some understand others give it a fleeting glance . Some soldiers are here to show the way some know in their hearts what is required to show some one you have never met that you love them . Its not about rolling up your sleeve and taking the shot its about saying no to anything they want to forcefully impose on you be it the shot or the camps you have the right to say no to it. You dont have to get on a train or a bus ,a plane and go some where you feel they may kill you any way if that were the case roll up your sleeve and take the medicine. If they are going to forcefully confine you say no regardless if they have bullets or not make them go the full route stand up in front of everyone and say NO to what ever they request of you .

They may try to remove you by force do not let them if they shoot you ...... you can not die ..... but the ones behind you will have seen and if enough do this what then . Will those simply roll over and take it, when you say no tell them why." Out of the love of your heart and respect for your fellow man and your Creator you respectfully decline the shot and its consequences" . Willing to die for your Creator and fellow man is Unconditional Love and that is Service to others and the key to dispensing fear

[Seashore]

That's actually true, as far as I know. She was advocating violence which, needless to say, really threw me off.

Something's definitely not right here...

Is this the statement where she is calling for violence?

"We ask you to stand by the US Constitution and the American people at all times, and, if necessary, to actively intervene if there are signs that FEMA and Homeland Security units following orders from the UN/WHO are misusing these combined military exercises to begin mass vaccinations and detentions."

I would say this is not exactly calling for violence but she's telling people to confront troops.

[Tramik]

Is this the statement where she is calling for violence?

"We ask you to stand by the US Constitution and the American people at all times, and, if necessary, to actively intervene if there are signs that FEMA and Homeland Security units following orders from the UN/WHO are misusing these combined military exercises to begin mass vaccinations and detentions."

I would say this is not exactly calling for violence but she's telling people to confront troops.

That was part of it. I'm trying to track down this clip where she, apparently, stated to target certain areas. Still trying to find it. Either way, this odd. So much confusion these days.

[Steve_A]

Hi seashore,

The post from Deagles blog seems a little fresh. He's Canadian! He also has no right to argue the toss about US politics and situations.

In reply to his question, he's name calling. He doesn't substanciate what he said in this instance.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no Burgermeister fan, but we need to keep a level playing field here.

Best regards,

Steve



From Dr. Deagle's website (http://www.nutrimedical.com/news.jhtml?method=view&news.id=2200):



JANE BURGERMEISTER



Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:53:26 -0600

Like I have warned, Jane Burgermeister is either psychotic, or she is a very dangerous double agent with a definite agenda. (Is that "name-calling" or just stating FACTS???)

In this latest rant, she is publicly advocating that American citizens "target" government agents and command centers with VIOLENCE tomorrow, July 27 during the FEMA exercises. Folks, that is the WORST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN!!!! Doesn't this rhetoric make her a "terrorist" under The Patriot Act?

She is advocating this violence immediately after CORRECTLY ASSESSING that this is exactly what the elite WANT TO SEE HAPPEN - so that eventually the elite will be able to better justify the imposition of martial law. Isn't this psychotic??

The kicker is, Jane is doing all of this secure and safe in her bungalow in Austria --

SHE IS NOT EVEN AN AMERICAN, and is not bound by American laws! She is continuing to expose her narcissistic personality -- what makes her think she can give Americans such dangerous "marching orders" -- unless they are coded messages to American "sleeper" agents (Manchurian Candidates) which is also a very real possibility.

Dr. Ott PhD ND

[Humble Janitor]

I need to back up a little first about Dr. Deagle, yes he is very intelligent, and I do give him credit for that. I used to work in the medical field and had to deal with a lot of very intelligent doctors. They were heads of their departments like Radiology, Oncology, and so on, and I used to have a saying I used, that most were too smart to tie their own shoes! Meaning they had no common sense at all, none! I used to laugh behind their backs and call them smart idiots, LOL

So I'm saying just use your common sense about things. If it sounds to weird or outlandish to be true, then it probably isn't true.

Throw out 99% of everything you hear because it's BS and is becoming a nice business for some. Think disinfo, disinfo, disinfo!

On the other hand, that 1% left over that you might accept as truth or possible truth is hard to wrap your head around sometimes and you really have to look at the big picture.
It's hard and I'm still working on it, after 11 months though I am getting closer to figuring out, but not there yet.

I won't be on this forum much longer, I've lost respect for Bill and Kerry,as their ego is now starting to catch hold of them, and it's clouding their thinking process, and their common sense judgement of their sources. It's right there in front of you just look closely!
Ego can do bad things to good people!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you don't start a business and walk away from it!
You might say " this forum isn't really a business"
Well it is, and it became a business as soon as it went to subscription!

Walking away from a business is bad business!!
It shows a total non-caring attitude! And if they don't care, then I don't care anymore, and they'll never get anymore money from me, period!

Like I said, disinfo, and extravagant claims by inflated ego- so called whistleblowers, is a huge business these days, $$$$$

And I'm not saying don't listen! Listen very carefully, then throw away 99% and use common sense on the remaining 1%

The answers really are much stranger than the questions most of the time. Truth will only come from within yourself, so be honest with yourself at all times!
When you hear something and say, "wow, could this be true?" think real hard and use your gut feeling, most of the time dealing with these kind of subjects, it'll say "nah, not possible", or if your gut tells you "yes, maybe it is true", you'll know because it will hit you hard!, and you'll sit back and go, "wow, holy s...t!"

It's hard to figure out, but just remember, there is no right or wrong decision, there is just 'the making of that decision' that's the hardest part!

I don't know if any of my ramblings are making any sense to you, and this is the first time I've ever posted something like this on this forum, so those that know me might be surprised, or might just listen.

I've been a little hard on some here like Tramik and maybe Viking for posting fear mongering, and doom and gloom info/disinfo.But you have to realize that that's exactly what the PTB, or whatever three letter name you want to use, want you to do! They want people to post that **** all over the place so people will freak out and talk about it and share it with everyone they know! Hence the rapid spread of disinfo!

Because again, you have to look at the bigger picture and try to wrap your head around it. It's a hard, hard thing to do! Do you ever notice how we talk and talk about every subject here till we're blue in the face, with never ever a conclusion, never an ending just goes full circle, with everyone putting in their best opinion to try and figure things out, and we never figure it out do we?

Then the thread gets buried and we talk about the next subject, go full circle with no conclusion, then it gets buried, and so on! hmmm, disinfo is big business huh?

Think about it.

A-****in-men!

I'm also disappointed with this place, especially since I keep getting double-charged each month for subscription ($5 + $1 instead of $1) and Kerry never answered my email two weeks ago asking for a refund. I had to go to my bank to get them to work with paypal to get that money back. The withdrawal of that money sent my account into a negative balance as well. :wall:

I don't want to invest in a site that seems to be more like a similar site (ATS) in the spread of fear and disinfo.

I'm not leaving but I will definitely avoid this place as much as possible. No offense meant to anyone.

I also do not trust Jane Burgermeiser.

[Seashore]

Hi seashore,

The post from Deagles blog seems a little fresh. He's Canadian! He also has no right to argue the toss about US politics and situations.

In reply to his question, he's name calling. He doesn't substanciate what he said in this instance.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no Burgermeister fan, but we need to keep a level playing field here.

Best regards,

Steve

Dr. Deagle lives in California.

If you'll notice, the piece is written by Dr. Ott.

The piece was an email from Dr. Ott to Dr. Deagle. He's a busy man. People need to follow the sequence of events and keep informed to know what it means.

[Humble Janitor]

I noticed that was written by Dr.Ott. It's easy to miss his/her name at the end of the letter.

[viking]

Quote by Dantheman...
I've been a little hard on some here like Tramik and maybe Viking for posting fear mongering, and doom and gloom info/disinfo.But you have to realize that that's exactly what the PTB, or whatever three letter name you want to use, want you to do! They want people to post that **** all over the place so people will freak out and talk about it and share it with everyone they know! Hence the rapid spread of disinfo!

Sorry Dantheman I don't mean to fearmonger.... But finding out truths can be quite shocking...

This just could be one of the most important stories that Bill and Kerry have reported and Jane B uncovered...and many others who have done research...what part of this topic do you think is Dis-info??

If nothing is reported...if nothing is done... Do you not think that we are lambs to the slaughter??

viking

[Swanny]

Dr. Deagle lives in California.

Well there you go they are all mad as hatters there :tease:

[gscraig]

Wow...A lot of frustration and many cans of worms being opened here. What a tangled web we have woven indeed.

For starters, no one is wrong here. The goal is always to try to reach a consensus internally for yourself if not externally as a group, based on facts, everyone's input and/or information. The key is getting everyone's input to provide perspectives we can access that we may not otherwise been exposed to (news in other countries, personal experiences, expertise, etc). THAT's the beneficial function of sites such as Camelot/Avalon. However, make no mistake... the PTB gains power/influence by infiltrating areas they need/want control over and being aware of "problematic" opposition. So, yes, this and ANY site can easily have deliberate infiltration, therefore breeding dis-info. This includes everything from those being interviewed to those whom are conducting the interview... indeed.

Subscriptions- This is not a “subscription only” website, therefore, the business point of view isn’t as strong. We all still are able to choose what we pay for or not. Now, I think something Bill/Kerry and whomever else assist them with cost control should do is make this process transparent. Create a link that shows the cost of travel, rooms, interviews, equipment, and website maintenance and fees. All this will do is help legitimize their operation (not saying that it’s not legitimate) and people will gravitate towards that with open arms, wallet, and confidence. Now, playing devils advocate people will still ponder, what if all of this is a scam and I’m financing a free ride??? (see In Closing to understand why)

Burgermeister- Regardless if her case stands up in court or not, being an agent and regardless of whatever tirade she went on with Deagle. The bottom line is that she chose to STAND UP publicly with some significant information that is indisputable. Deagle should not have publicly spoken of their private discussions and her psychotic reactions??? Publicly stating the flaws with the case is fine, but attacking her is a HUGE problem. The question NO ONE is asking since Deagle with his legal knowledge, information, and medical background…Why didn’t he file a lawsuit?

In Closing

I always have issue with these whistleblowers attacking each other. Hell, if they can’t represent unity for a greater cause for us all, then why bother? That makes us that much more vulnerable as truth seekers. I’m tired of hearing about how they all were compartmentalized, when Project Camelot is not.

They need to get together as and with “one” sole purpose, exchange information with each other and emerge united. This goes for ALL whistleblowers and ALL websites of this nature. THAT ladies and gentlemen, is a MOVEMENT for DISCLOSURE. Otherwise, as Dantheman stated, you do begin to go into a continuous cycle. If all these whistleblowers on the internet shared resources and function as ONE ENTITY, that would be powerful. Otherwise, they can indeed branch out make money individually, and we will be no closer to disclosure than before we had ever heard of any of them. WE ALL still need to WAKE UP.

[Seashore]

Burgermeister- Regardless if her case stands up in court or not, being an agent and regardless of whatever tirade she went on with Deagle. The bottom line is that she chose to STAND UP publicly with some significant information that is indisputable. Deagle should not have publicly spoken of their private discussions and her psychotic reactions??? Publicly stating the flaws with the case is fine, but attacking her is a HUGE problem. The question NO ONE is asking since Deagle with his legal knowledge, information, and medical background…Why didn’t he file a lawsuit?


My understanding is that Burgermeister went on the attack and has threatened Deagle.

Deagle is a Local Leader of Jurisdictionary and has spearheaded a call for ordinary citizens to file petitions for injunctions against mandatory vaccinations. I have a copy of a template with Deagle's name on it on my desk that I'm studying to try to learn to do this myself.

See this thread: "A Legal Militia."

[Steve_A]

Hi gscraig,

I disagree with your closing statement. I think whistleblowers should keep to their own, AND JUST THEIR OWN. There is a problem that these so called 'whistleblowers' tend to take information from their 'competition' and begin to use it for themselves.

For example, I didn't really see the need for Deacon to go to a conference just to say that Burisch is right.

With all due respect to the guy, he is a claimant to be former 'three letter word' agency worker and should ideally just stick to what he knows first hand from said agency. After all, wasn't this which brought him under the spotlight?

The problem is that when each and every one starts to endorse each other, they start to become famous for nothing, just agreeing with other people. Heck, even I could do that.

I think Deacon could have damaged his persona by doing just that. If he got on stage and gave a teaser about what he knows about his life in the three letter agency, that would have been far more productive.

So you can see my frustration that people, from my viewpoint, seem to appear, just to appear and when they have nothing to say, use other peoples' material.

Best regards,

Steve




Wow...A lot of frustration and many cans of worms being opened here. What a tangled web we have woven indeed.

For starters, no one is wrong here. The goal is always to try to reach a consensus internally for yourself if not externally as a group, based on facts, everyone's input and/or information. The key is getting everyone's input to provide perspectives we can access that we may not otherwise been exposed to (news in other countries, personal experiences, expertise, etc). THAT's the beneficial function of sites such as Camelot/Avalon. However, make no mistake... the PTB gains power/influence by infiltrating areas they need/want control over and being aware of "problematic" opposition. So, yes, this and ANY site can easily have deliberate infiltration, therefore breeding dis-info. This includes everything from those being interviewed to those whom are conducting the interview... indeed.

Subscriptions- This is not a “subscription only” website, therefore, the business point of view isn’t as strong. We all still are able to choose what we pay for or not. Now, I think something Bill/Kerry and whomever else assist them with cost control should do is make this process transparent. Create a link that shows the cost of travel, rooms, interviews, equipment, and website maintenance and fees. All this will do is help legitimize their operation (not saying that it’s not legitimate) and people will gravitate towards that with open arms, wallet, and confidence. Now, playing devils advocate people will still ponder, what if all of this is a scam and I’m financing a free ride??? (see In Closing to understand why)

Burgermeister- Regardless if her case stands up in court or not, being an agent and regardless of whatever tirade she went on with Deagle. The bottom line is that she chose to STAND UP publicly with some significant information that is indisputable. Deagle should not have publicly spoken of their private discussions and her psychotic reactions??? Publicly stating the flaws with the case is fine, but attacking her is a HUGE problem. The question NO ONE is asking since Deagle with his legal knowledge, information, and medical background…Why didn’t he file a lawsuit?

In Closing

I always have issue with these whistleblowers attacking each other. Hell, if they can’t represent unity for a greater cause for us all, then why bother? That makes us that much more vulnerable as truth seekers. I’m tired of hearing about how they all were compartmentalized, when Project Camelot is not.

They need to get together as and with “one” sole purpose, exchange information with each other and emerge united. This goes for ALL whistleblowers and ALL websites of this nature. THAT ladies and gentlemen, is a MOVEMENT for DISCLOSURE. Otherwise, as Dantheman stated, you do begin to go into a continuous cycle. If all these whistleblowers on the internet shared resources and function as ONE ENTITY, that would be powerful. Otherwise, they can indeed branch out make money individually, and we will be no closer to disclosure than before we had ever heard of any of them. WE ALL still need to WAKE UP.

[mntruthseeker]

I agree with Steve.

Whistleblowers do nothing when they stand up and simply endorse another. Say something worthwhile when you get up there. I was so disapointed to hear that was all he said. whoop de do

Tell us what you know, thats what we want.

I appreciate all that is being said but I feel it is also important for us to discuss what is being said so we can make our own decision on whether we accept it or not.

I am not fond of drs any longer as I have watched too many loved ones die due to their "mistakes" That is what I am calling it, I still want to give them the benefit of doubt

Doctors are taught as the rest of us are. Just what they want. Do not tell us anything else. All garbage and there are drs that I feel move on and do their own independent studies online. (thank God for them) and really help us. Just like everything else there will be conflicts.

I am happy that Jane Burgermeister is taking a stand. Whether she is legit or not, at least we are getting a glimse of what is happening. Is that what they want, I'm sure it is. I want to see MORE doctors stand up and speak for us and time is closing in on us.

[Dantheman62]

A-****in-men!

I'm also disappointed with this place, especially since I keep getting double-charged each month for subscription ($5 + $1 instead of $1) and Kerry never answered my email two weeks ago asking for a refund. I had to go to my bank to get them to work with paypal to get that money back. The withdrawal of that money sent my account into a negative balance as well. :wall:

I don't want to invest in a site that seems to be more like a similar site (ATS) in the spread of fear and disinfo.

I'm not leaving but I will definitely avoid this place as much as possible. No offense meant to anyone.

I also do not trust Jane Burgermeiser.
Thanks Humble, and keep speaking your mind here! Who cares what people think! At least you've got the guts!
Don't invest another penny here!

gscraig, yes this was a subscription only forum! Seems now they've opened up the doors
and let the flies in!

Hey Humble and everyone else that paid a subscription to stay here, how does that make you feel that now it's free! hmmm, think about it!

You want to see level headed intelligent thinking? Read any of Steve A's posts.

Viking, you're alright man! Keep on keepin on!

peaceandlove, you've always posted quality posts! Keep it up! Maybe some will start to see the real problem, which is the economy, not
the flu, or vaccines, or fema camps.

mntruthseeker, you know where I'm from, we've talked a couple times. Things are not what they seem here anymore!
Keep looking for that man behind the curtain pulling all the strings, because he's there!

seashore and Tramik, keep signing petitions and sending faxes and emails and whatever else. Do what you think is right, there's absolutely
nothing wrong with that. When I say it's taken me 11 months to figure it out, I meant it's taken me 11 months to figure out what this forum
and many others are about! I've been learning about all this stuff we talk about here for a lot longer.

This place was hell before subscriptions took place, then subscriptions started and we lost a lot of members! But after that it became a nice
informative and intelligent almost self moderating place!
But now once again, the flood gates have been opened and the place has gone down, those of you that like it here, that's ok too, and maybe someday it will come back to a decent forum again, who knows really. I'm not hanging around to find out though! Have fun!

[mntruthseeker]

well Dan,

That dissapoints me as I always loved what you had to say. You knew what was going on and I never doubted for a minute you were being honest with what you did say. You showed you did your homework, I loved it

I really don't want you to leave, you helped convince me to stay and now I am glad I did because it finally got something going again.

I hope you reconsider and stay on.

[tone3jaguar]

All anyone needs to know about the swine flu vaccine is in this video, how quickly we forget. OMFG!

CLICK HERE (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9mh9f_swine-flu-1976-propaganda_webcam)

[Humble Janitor]

This site is free? What the hell?

Sorry to distract others.

[tone3jaguar]

It is simply amazing how some people will find any excuse they can to play the victim. All of the money everyone paid for your subscription was a donation to help Bill and Kerry do the interviews that you all are more than happy to watch for free. It was a donation with benefits, the benefit was that you got exclusive access to a very popular forum. I say that for all of those who are here who want to be cry babies and point fingers and play the victim, go ahead and leave. I won't miss you.

The forum may be less chaotic then it was before it went subscription, but it is also dry as hell. Even though I had to elbow my way around in it before, at least it was never board. I say open the flood gates, and if you cant handle the heat then go cry somewhere else.

[Reader]

I totally agree Jaguar and Steve A and Dan, etc,

I think the whole point of this forum is to bring like mineded people together.

I, you, all of us, are here because of a need to know.....and try to figure out the best we can......what's going on.........?

We forum members search, research, study, analyse and then try to synthesise all of this information and then bring it to a place like Project Avalon, for fruitful discussion. A discussion, I might add, that is undertaken by individuals from all over the globe......unimaginable as I was growing up.

This is what Jose Arguelles has been talking about since the 1950's. If you don't know who he is, check out www.lawoftime.org

He's the Father of 2012 Check out Jose on C2C this past week.

Peace

[Karen]

This site is free? What the hell?

Sorry to distract others.

I don't know what kind of impression Dan has here - unless something has changed that I don't know about.

If someone cannot pay $12 a year because of unemployment, fixed income, student, etc. Kerry does not turn away anyone. We might have 150 people who have received a one year gift subscription - about half of those are paid for by other people the rest are compliments of Kerry.

And what's this about letting the flies in? PM me the info if you like Dan.

Confused,
Karen

[skyrimirre]

If a person advocates fighting back physically, are they also there with the others they are inciting? Or are they tucked away some place safe so not one hair on their chinny-chin-chin is touched?

Aren't there people who have taken to the woods in this country who will be carrying out violent acts when provoked or given an opportunity? I don't think these people will be out of reach when it comes to their own skins, rather on the frontlines...

[Humble Janitor]

It is simply amazing how some people will find any excuse they can to play the victim. All of the money everyone paid for your subscription was a donation to help Bill and Kerry do the interviews that you all are more than happy to watch for free. It was a donation with benefits, the benefit was that you got exclusive access to a very popular forum. I say that for all of those who are here who want to be cry babies and point fingers and play the victim, go ahead and leave. I won't miss you.

The forum may be less chaotic then it was before it went subscription, but it is also dry as hell. Even though I had to elbow my way around in it before, at least it was never board. I say open the flood gates, and if you cant handle the heat then go cry somewhere else.

You may be right except that getting charged twice each month isn't fun. It's been rectified and I will continue to try and contribute to this forum in a positive manner.

[Swanny]

My friend flynt144 would like a subscription if there are any going thx :original:

[gscraig]

Hello All,

Hello Dan, I wish you all the best in these difficult times.

If I may add...Please be mindful that there's a man behind the curtain pulling strings everywhere in our daily lives.

Hello Steve A,
Indeed a solid perspective, and I agree with you 98%. The WB’s taking information away from each other is a good example, but that lends to the essence of my post.

The purpose or intent is not being accomplished with so called WB’s acting like guests on Jerry Springer’s “Who knows the bigger or most secrets?”. They are doing everyone a disservice with that pettiness, but have the ability to weed those individuals out and progress…If they organize (with their separate information, endorsed or not).It is time to move from the continuation of information that could be fresh off the Area 51 water cooler. After all, what is that going to accomplish? Outside of us knowing some new fantastic truth (maybe) that most of us may never see, feel, hear or touch?

The game is getting serious, and it is time to move beyond the current cycle of disclosure and for them to organize enough to build a movement with consistency and help arm the public with pressure for disclosure. The best example of this is of course, The Disclosure Project.
It is 2009 and the band wagons are wearing down to a feared stand still.

Unless it's real time info (like H5n1, economy) the message is a repeat. I understand some of them face risks with what they are doing, but there are options to minimize the risk. One is constructing one voice and one source, not the multiple venues which in some ways divides the message and WB's from each other.
We're still stuck in the same ol' paradigm.

[Karen]

My friend flynt144 would like a subscription if there are any going thx :original:

Requests for free subscriptions can be made to karen@projectavalon.net. Include a couple of short sentences why and forum username.

[Oliver]

Friends,
I just received this news:

Greek Minister of Health Dimitris Avramopulos stated today that Greek Prime Minister Kostas Karamanlis hand out an ORDER all of the population of the country to be mandatory vaccinated against the X1H1 swine flu virus!!? All foreign citizens and tourists will be also vaccinated.
Up to this moment, Greece has 700 citizens with swine flu.

Well, IT began. Who`s next?!

Respect

[777 The Great Work]

BURGER FRI or Fire day in Grease :lmao: = Kryptonite :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Seashore]

You can follow the progress here:
http://www.thehealingpraxis.com/OperationFaxtoStoptheVax.html

There's even a link to a list of the military bases by state.

Here is the banner from the above website:

http://www.thehealingpraxis.com/stop%20the%20vax%20banner%20oathkeepers%20needed.g if

Is this an attempt to associate with the Oath Keepers (http://oathkeepers.org/oath/) organization?