Personal attacks (conducted on this forum)

[Anchor]

Threads started for the sole purpose of personal attacks against members of this forum will be deleted.

The people to whom this message applies know the measure in which it applies to them.

One thread was removed today.

This thread is being left open to response, but please keep it civil.

A..

[TRANCOSO]

The BS threads on Green, Deacon & Dan 'Rubbish' serve a purpose. A lot of Avalon members reply to these threads with genuine & pollite anger, & not without reason.
BS threads on fellow members of this forum are, in my opinion, absolutely 'not done'!
If we expect the world to become a better & more civilized planet, the least we could do is being an example to the way people should communicate with each other.
Love & Respect, ladies & gentlemen, Love & Respect.
Everybody has the same right to his/her opinion.
If you don't like what you read, ignore it.
Sticks & stones can break my bones, but words can never heard me.
BS'ers are filtered out by a natural process.
And remember, Project Avalon doesn't 'belong' to anybody, but to it's members & readers.
We are Avalon.
Let's keep it civilized & positive, please.

[Karen]

United we stand, divided we fall.
Let us not fall for illuminati style tricks aimed to divide and conquer.

[tone3jaguar]

The BS threads on Green, Deacon & Dan 'Rubbish' serve a purpose. A lot of Avalon members reply to these threads with genuine & pollite anger, & not without reason.
BS threads on fellow members of this forum are, in my opinion, absolutely 'not done'!
If we expect the world to become a better & more civilized planet, the least we could do is being an example to the way people should communicate with each other.
Love & Respect, ladies & gentlemen, Love & Respect.
Everybody has the same right to his/her opinion.
If you don't like what you read, ignore it.
Sticks & stones can break my bones, but words can never heard me.
BS'ers are filtered out by a natural process.
And remember, Project Avalon doesn't 'belong' to anybody, but to it's members & readers.
We are Avalon.
Let's keep it civilized & positive, please.


Henry Deacon has no BS threads, Dan Burisch and George Green are not forum members. In other words, I agree.

[Luminari]

I am glad that a certain thread has been deleted, I'm not too happy about the situation. It was a karmic response to the hate messages espoused by the recipient recently.

Attacks on George Green will not be tolerated, I hope that is crystal clear.

I won't be doing any more 'enforcing'... but there are forces in play.

T3J I hope you are feeling better, please refrain from attacking people you do not know personally lest you meet the same end.

[tone3jaguar]

I am glad that a certain thread has been deleted, I'm not too happy about the situation. It was a karmic response to the hate messages espoused by the recipient recently.

Attacks on George Green will not be tolerated, I hope that is crystal clear.

I won't be doing any more 'enforcing'... but there are forces in play.

T3J I hope you are feeling better, please refrain from attacking people you do not know personally lest you meet the same end.

Please enlighten me as to how calling B.S. on one subject that George Green has spoken of is an attack. An attack is when you viciously go after another individual. I am just opening up a debate about fear inducing prophecy from an individual that could lead to unnecessary paranoia and fear. Blindly accepting everything that an individual has to say because once upon a time he put out some good stuff is not using good intuitive discernment.

[Luminari]

Please enlighten me as to how calling B.S. on one subject that George Green has spoken of is an attack. An attack is when you viciously go after another individual. I am just opening up a debate about fear inducing prophecy from an individual that could lead to unnecessary paranoia and fear. Blindly accepting everything that an individual has to say because once upon a time he put out some good stuff is not using good intuitive discernment.

Your disrespectful attitude. I would have banned you for the titles of your Burisch and Green 'hit pieces'. Discussion is one thing.. what you're doing is another.

[tone3jaguar]

I won't be doing any more 'enforcing'... but there are forces in play.

What forces?

http://theunexplainedmysteries.com/piri/Illuminati_Pyramid.jpg

[tone3jaguar]

Your disrespectful attitude. I would have banned you for the titles of your Burisch and Green 'hit pieces'. Discussion is one thing.. what you're doing is another.

So I take it you don't have an answer to my question?

[tone3jaguar]

Attacks on George Green will not be tolerated, I hope that is crystal clear.

Not be tolerated by whom?

[tone3jaguar]

It was a karmic response to the hate messages espoused by the recipient recently.

So now you are a conduit for Universal Karma? This is starting to sound more and more like a certain type of philosophy I have heard of in the past.

[tone3jaguar]

You mean these forces?

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15829

or these forces?

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13585

[tone3jaguar]

It was also interesting how my computer spontainiously turned off for the first time since I bought it 1.5 years ago at about the exact moment that the Personal Attack was issued last night. It would not turn back on for about 10 min. I checked the heat sinc to make sure it was not overheating and it was not. When I turned it back on is when I found the new thread posted by you know who. I must have really hit some off the right truth buttons.

[TheChosen]

Moderators? Please keep the energy at levels we have gotten used to.. you know what I mean..

[Karen]

Moderators? Please keep the energy at levels we have gotten used to.. you know what I mean..

We are short on moderators. This moderator is helping teenagers get ready for fair.

Can the members moderate themselves?

Can other members help with gentle reminders?

I have to go back to supervising the 3D situation in my back yard.

[tone3jaguar]

Its all good, maby this is part of the great revealing?

[Samarkis]

In Peace & Respect....

I am asking all to pls add personal reflexives to their responses...it reduces tensions (i.e.-"in my opinion","I feel","it appears to me"....)it then becomes less of a frontal attack.....

Here in the US, we are used to saying anything and letting others prove or disprove what we say...It is my hopes, in the light of true discussion, that all can accept that mode as it opens new avenues of thought...if someone doesn't agree with your posts, either explain further or ignore...we are the "New Humanity" Let's set new precedents!!!!

Wishing you all success!


Samarkis as I AM Moderator.....

[THEWATCHER]

WOWZER!! Can I safely throw my 2 cents worth in here? I see some pretty close to threat material in this thread, and thats not on. What the hell is it coming to when someone cannot place their opinion of any individual so called insider whistleblower without being shot at by obvious supporters of that insider. It not cricket!!. I too have grave misgivings about Dan Burisch, maybe one or two others, GONNA TAKE A POP AT ME? I'm up for it:original:

Barry

[Samarkis]

In this particular thread, I am again asking all to use personal reflexives added to their comments so as to reduce the impression of frontal attacks...if you pls Watcher, that includes yourself.... In my opinion, that will open discussion instead of feeling like attacks....

Thank you all for co-operating!!!

[TheChosen]

There is a difference between a dissagreement and a personal attack. The problem is not the disagreement, but the way it is presented.

This forum is the place where the most controversial subjects are discussed, thus without presenting them in the right format it is very easy to offend someone or be quite misunderstood.

All it takes is to apply some assertiveness when presenting one's views.. nothing more. It can be a pain and limiting sometimes, but I personally believe it is the most optimal way of sharing information at the current level of cosciousness on this forum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assertiveness

[Steve_A]

Hi Everybody,

I understand the need for some people to let off steam. I'm the same. However, what I say in the forum is only a small slice of what I say out loud to myself (good job I'm not being recorded!).

I think what the moderating team is trying to say is that we don't need to be brash to get our points over. I think I mentioned in another thread about George Green, that I wasn't on board with everything he said, nor did I understand why Henry Deacon was in Amsterdam. But I wasn't disrespectful in my comments, even though my thoughts were a little more direct.

In my opinion if people who call themselves 'insiders', 'experts', 'whistleblowers', or any other name that they wish to call themselves, making claims that, it could be argued, sometimes are hard to swallow, of course they are open to criticism by people who find it difficult to accept what they are saying. It's human nature.
I didn't make Deacon leap on to a stage in Barça and say that he went to Mars, I didn't make george Green Skype Amsterdam and say he had a message from the Pleidians. These comments should be discussed and opinions should be able to be made public, but we must keep the discussion in good taste, otherwise we will end up again, like we are, arguing the toss as to who insulted who and who upset who and the list can go on forever....

Keep it real, keep it objective, but keep it polite at least, even if you disagree and explaining why you disagree is always a good thing as that allows others to see your reasoning and could put a new light or other perspective to the idea.

Best regards,

Steve

[Humble Janitor]

Hi Everybody,

I understand the need for some people to let off steam. I'm the same. However, what I say in the forum is only a small slice of what I say out loud to myself (good job I'm not being recorded!).

I think what the moderating team is trying to say is that we don't need to be brash to get our points over. I think I mentioned in another thread about George Green, that I wasn't on board with everything he said, nor did I understand why Henry Deacon was in Amsterdam. But I wasn't disrespectful in my comments, even though my thoughts were a little more direct.

In my opinion if people who call themselves 'insiders', 'experts', 'whistleblowers', or any other name that they wish to call themselves, making claims that, it could be argued, sometimes are hard to swallow, of course they are open to criticism by people who find it difficult to accept what they are saying. It's human nature.
I didn't make Deacon leap on to a stage in Barça and say that he went to Mars, I didn't make george Green Skype Amsterdam and say he had a message from the Pleidians. These comments should be discussed and opinions should be able to be made public, but we must keep the discussion in good taste, otherwise we will end up again, like we are, arguing the toss as to who insulted who and who upset who and the list can go on forever....

Keep it real, keep it objective, but keep it polite at least, even if you disagree and explaining why you disagree is always a good thing as that allows others to see your reasoning and could put a new light or other perspective to the idea.

Best regards,

Steve

To me, whistleblowers are people too. I'm not about to hold them on a pedestal and neither should anyone else. It doesn't mean that they should be attacked en masse like any other people. But, when people disagree, they should be able to express those disagreements in a civil manner.

[tone3jaguar]

The cat all ways lands how?

[orthodoxymoron]

To quote that great American...Rodney King...'Can't we all just get along?':tongue2::lightsabre:

[Anchor]

Ok - I just edited another post containing a personal attack and I am getting a bit bothered by all this.

I am quite prepared to face the **** storm that will happen when I start suspending people posting rights and/or closing and deleting threads.

Please think about what you are posting before you post it.

There is no need to attack anyone on this forum ever - even if you think they are leathery winged demons from hell spouting disinformation from a base on the moon - don't do it - there is no justification for disrepect or ad-hominem attacks on this forum.

We are all one and we all deserve eachother - no matter what - we are here to figure this stuff out, and the rules of this forum are that it will be done without attacking people who are members of the forum.

A..

[Wormhole]

Wow.

I thought I'd just talk about something I do that makes it easier to respond to "hard" posts that may seem emotionally charged.

First, I just read the post and let my first impression guide me, I do not react, I just feel and write nothing. Then I reread the post and imagine that I'm the one who wrote it and use my own internal voice as the narration. I put my self in their shoes so to speak. Through doing this I have realized that nine times out of ten, the other person just wants their opinion to be respected... not to get into a fight.

If we state our opinions (as we should) keep in mind how it will be read by another reader, keep in mind that the person who writes a post feels strongly about what they are saying. Try to be that person for a few minutes so that you can understand where they are coming from...

Then respond. After all, we are all ONE.

I have no doubt that we will get it together and continue on in a way that is complimentary and respectful to ALL opinions without demeaning anyone. It is very important that we have the freedom to do so, and it is also very important that we do not abuse our freedom and thus retain an open and peaceful forum.

Peace of mind,
Wormhole

[Anchor]

@Wormhole: Thanks - that is indeed the spirit.

[Unified Serenity]

You know what's funny, is reading how we should couch our responses in phrases such as "in my opinion" or something like this. In college we were trained to speak in active voice and not say things that are obvious. If someone is sharing their thoughts then it is "their opinion" and it's like heads, we all have one.

Some have a more aggressive nature to their posts, and some have a more humorous tone. I have been told that I speak in authoritative tone by my partner and others, and I accept that. I don't share things which I have not spent some time researching. I also am very open minded to hear what others have to say, and never take the approach that I have all the answers.

The one thing I try to never do is call names or assume anything about another person who generously has given of themselves and chosen to embark on exposing themselves by posting as well. I imagine there are so many others who could share, but choose not to because of the negative attacks that can ensue. Flaming is obvious and I for one whether I agree with one's point of view do not appreciate negative energy aimed a myself or others who are sharing their views, and would ask that all such posts be edited or deleted as it does nothing to further growth of those reading. It is also a favorite disinfo tactic to turn posts negative and belittle others opinions and try to malign their possible affect on those reading the posts of the one maligned.

I would not wish the job of moderator on anyone. I have moderated many forums online and it is a thankless job. It is not the honor many think it is because of the decisions and attacks mods have to face... often in pm's. I salute all the moderators no matter their views for taking on the job (usually on a voluntary basis).

[mudra]

As a personal reflexion " It is not until you have been challenged with despise , misunderstanding and rejection that you come to know what staying grounded in your heart , forgiveness and compassion really means " .
I 've read a book once about a monk in tibet who was captured and tortured for month by the Chinese army . What really striked and impressed me in her attitude was the equanimity she managed to keep all along and not at any given moment having responded to hatred by hatred .
If people who have undergone such cruelty and hardship can behave like this there is a lot we can learn in our daily human relations where the challenges we get are so much milder.
It takes great mastery of self to avoid a stimulus response based reaction ..to keep one's temper in check and to act with clarity of heart.
I understand some people are more of a " warrior " type . This is fine but then also I believe it should contained within the bounderies of a code of honor and decency towards our fellow human beings.
Arguments should not to started with the intention to kill each others head off but always been directed as bringing Light.


Love Always
mudra

[no caste]

Arguments should not to started with the intention to kill each others head off but always been directed as bringing Light.


Some people don't like light, and it's difficult to talk to them when it's shining so bright. It can be blinding as an interrogator's beam. Intimate talk is better in the dark.

[mudra]

Some people don't like light, and it's difficult to talk to them when it's shining so bright. It can be blinding as an interrogator's beam. Intimate talk is better in the dark.

Yes you are quite right . I can understand that too . Maybe it's all about finding the right atonement to one another and to strive for balance.
Thanks :wub2:

Love Always
mudra

[P4BL0]

.

[BROOK]

everyone should play nice
The world would be a better place
It would be like Magick

http://www.africa-nature-photography.com/images/DCWP_603_016w-Lion-Cubs-Picture.jpg

[mudra]

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http://www.africa-nature-photography.com/images/DCWP_603_016w-Lion-Cubs-Picture.jpg



Looks like a lovely game there Brook. Can I have a go ?

My Love for You always
mudra

[P4BL0]

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[mudra]

Yes that is true.
We should all play nice and respect each other.
Even thou sometimes we completely miss the point.
Understanding one another some times it isn't an easy thing,
specially when people have different characters.
Tolerance is a good thing. :wink2:

I think the more we keep playing the game of being nice and have respect for one another the better we will become at it.
Lets just keep practising despite our differences.

Love Always
mudr

[Zeddo]

...............................
If people who have undergone such cruelty and hardship can behave like this there is a lot we can learn in our daily human relations where the challenges we get are so much milder.
It takes great mastery of self to avoid a stimulus response based reaction ..to keep one's temper in check and to act with clarity of heart.
I understand some people are more of a " warrior " type . This is fine but then also I believe it should contained within the bounderies of a code of honor and decency towards our fellow human beings.
Arguments should not to started with the intention to kill each others head off but always been directed as bringing Light.


Love Always
mudra

I have to agree and this is what my post "Being at one" alludes to. I shan't say anymore.

Much LL&P

Z

[morguana]

YouTube - All You Need Is Love - The Beatles
is all i want to say
bou x

[Ross H]

I think the more we keep playing the game of being nice and have respect for one another the better we will become at it.
Lets just keep practising despite our differences.

Love Always
mudr

Flow like water...dont take anything personally, everyone has the right to say what they wish, their choice, how we respond is our choice...

"THE FOUR AGREEMENTS" IS A WORTHY READ!

respect and understanding go a long way towards ones journey.:original:

peace

Ross

[Zeddo]

Z0001

[mudra]

That was a long post Zeddo but as always I enjoyed reading it all.

Silence ...right very important to find the garden of the soul ..

Smile ...so true ..I remember about 10 years undergoing the darkness of the soul . I felt so depressed as my life was breaking to pieces..As I was walking down the street I crossed a girl that gave me the most beautifull smile I ever got . This felt like pure adrenalin ..a straight line to my heart that got instantly rekindled. I always remembered what that girl did for me and I pay it forward ever since .

and then we could add humor and laughter...that breaks apart the walls we are sometimes enclosing ourselves into ...start laughing and you'll soon see we are ONE

YouTube - Bodhisattva in metro

Love Always
mudra

[Zeddo]

and then we could add humor and laughter...that breaks apart the walls we are sometimes enclosing ourselves into ...start laughing and you'll soon see we are ONE



Love Always
mudra

I am still smiling after watching that .....brilliant thanks Mudra !!!
:roll1:

[mudra]

I am still smiling after watching that .....brilliant thanks Mudra !!!
:roll1:

I am smiling and laughing with You Zeddo :roll1:

Love Always
mudra

[Truthseeker360]

YouTube- The Art Of Fighting Without Fighting

[nameless]

Hi, I'm new to this forum and already I am worried as It seems free speech and opinion and controversial discussion seem to be edited and policed here as in the so called "real world". #
wow

I am disappointed because in a world where media control and enforced social suggestion is the norm, we who feel "awake" or opposed to these evils should play the same game. Surely if someone's views which evoke controversy and ill feeling enough for these views to be expressed and then the result of which requires people to be "protected" then this may go someway to show the level of confused communication we are dealing with and its inbalance as a form of perceived and irefutable communication. (Again this is why we have develop an omnilogical understanding of crop circles, but i digress)

The irony seems to be lost on alot of you.
The term Karma seems to be misquoted, misused and invoked like a trump card without true consideration to its use, for if you truely understood Karma you again would understand the use of it in this context and its ironic and paradoxical implication.

Please, I need convincing that this forum is not another waste of time. There are too many of these forums with people petty squabling, mis-perceiveing and expounding control and views about a "written universe". We are explorers, there are no truths, nothing is true and everything is permitted. Allow people to express their views no matter the consequence. A heavy dose of cynacism and conjecture is needed, we have to test everything and open it up to debate otherwise we are the same as FOX news.

[THE eXchanger]

United we stand, divided we fall.
Let us not fall for illuminati style tricks aimed to divide and conquer.

Wise words, Karen :)

[THE eXchanger]

silence is a product of gr8 duality

if you keep quiet, when you should talk
and, you withhold information from others
~ it could be considered a weapon

if you keep quiet,
when someone is bothering you
and/or you keep quiet,
when someone is fighting with you
and, you do NOT speak

~ that is where the phrase

"silence is golden" comes from

[bushycat]

silence is a product of gr8 duality

if you keep quiet, when you should talk
and, you withhold information from others
~ it could be considered a weapon

if you keep quiet,
when someone is bothering you
and/or you keep quiet,
when someone is fighting with you
and, you do NOT speak

~ that is where the phrase

"silence is golden" comes from

Well said, Susan. Maybe the best way is to pause and see how speaking or not speaking fits with ones heart. And where do we want to add energy? Or not.

Love always,
Bushycat

[futureyes]

silence is a product of gr8 duality

if you keep quiet, when you should talk
and, you withhold information from others
~ it could be considered a weapon

if you keep quiet,
when someone is bothering you
and/or you keep quiet,
when someone is fighting with you
and, you do NOT speak

~ that is where the phrase

"silence is golden" comes from



:thumb_yello:
and to remain in silence ... when the ego has the opportunity to run wild ...

to remain neutral ...

is NOT weakness ...

it is one of our greatest strengths ...

:wub2:

[THE eXchanger]

do we move forward

do we move back

or, do we stay in neutral ???

you know, those people, who we have crossed paths
that favour observing / and, think they are involved
are NOT really involved

a lot of people vicariously life their whole lives
through movies/and, through books
and, NEVER GET INVOLVED

WHERE ARE "THE LURKERS" ???

THE silent army of project avalon/and, project camelot

i wish some of them, would speak up

OTHERWISE, AS, MY GUIDE ONCE TOLD ME

if you hold your fingers/or your tongue ...

your fingers/and, your tongue, it will die a death

We sure would NOT want that to happen

so, it is necessary to eXert your WILL as YOUR WAY !!!

WE A LOT OF YOU ARE GOING - there isn't a path or a trail

WE BLAZE ONE !!!

(we discovered recently, its all got to be forward !!!)

however - there is always room for eXercising a choice !!!

[OCTEEL]

when we are done,.... or begining,.....we won't be transformed, judged or recreated because of what some one does or thinks. it will be based on our own actions and direction. to agree or disagree doesn't matter. it's who your being. much love always-OCTEEL

[bushycat]

when we are done,.... or begining,.....we won't be transformed, judged or recreated because of what some one does or thinks. it will be based on our own actions and direction. to agree or disagree doesn't matter. it's who your being. much love always-OCTEEL

Beautifully said, Octeel.


Love always,
Bushycat

[orthodoxymoron]

I could really and truly dine with Satan, Lucifer, Reptilians, Greys, Illuminati, Nazis, Zionists, et al...without being rude...or having it turn into a shouting match. I would probably tactfully promote Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and I might get my head bit-off in the process...but it would be fun while it lasted! Then the Reps might order Oysters Rockefeller!

Just stick to the facts...and don't make nasty personal attacks. Think positively AND negatively...and then formulate a positive, solution-oriented, response. I call this Positive Response Ability...which dovetails with Constructive Competition.

When people get banned...could we at least have a virtual ritual excommunication like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXlUS5-ag_g What do you do when you're banned...and you know you're a man?

:original:Namaste:original:

[Omega]

nothing is true and everything is permitted.

Ah yes... The last words of Hassan i Sabbah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan-i_Sabbah), Old Man of the Mountain

[Leunamros]

this could be all a make up to instill fear. Being the victim and the agressors part of the plot.

We can be as paranoids as we want here, isnt that correct?.

[happyhollergal]

do we move forward

do we move back

or, do we stay in neutral ???

you know, those people, who we have crossed paths
that favour observing / and, think they are involved
are NOT really involved

a lot of people vicariously life their whole lives
through movies/and, through books
and, NEVER GET INVOLVED

WHERE ARE "THE LURKERS" ???

THE silent army of project avalon/and, project camelot

i wish some of them, would speak up

OTHERWISE, AS, MY GUIDE ONCE TOLD ME

if you hold your fingers/or your tongue ...

your fingers/and, your tongue, it will die a death

We sure would NOT want that to happen

so, it is necessary to eXert your WILL as YOUR WAY !!!

WE A LOT OF YOU ARE GOING - there isn't a path or a trail

WE BLAZE ONE !!!

(we discovered recently, its all got to be forward !!!)

however - there is always room for eXercising a choice !!!

Okay, I'll bite. I'm one of those LURKERS. I choose to read what is posted in an effort to learn something of value on my journey. I've been on Avalon since September 08. My account and a few others were deleted through some technical problems and even though it was reinstated, all of the posts, friends, stats, etc were lost. No problem, I was just glad to back with what I consider my Avalon family. The only reason I stated that is to say that I've been here for a long time and have seen many people who are looking for guidance, reaching out to those they trust, and they've been criticized and made to wish they'd never posed a question. People can be very rude and inconsiderate, and value their own opinions over that of others. When a thread is opened, if I disagree with someone and can say why in a nice way without intentionally offending or hurting feelings, I respond. That is how we learn opposing views, and if we're open minded enough, we just might learn something and change our former beliefs on any given subject. If I read a topic and have nothing to contribute that relates to what the subject is, I simply move on. I started out as a lurker because I felt that I had no knowledge to offer and wanted to learn everything that I could. I became a lurker again over the past few months, even to the point of not even visiting Avalon but every now and then, because I get so aggravated watching members push their own religious beliefs on others and criticizing abounds. There are enough people still asleep in the world, and we are supposed to draw together here. This is where we meet and discuss subjects with others who are aware of other truths. No matter how we disagree, we do not have the right to tear down another member in an effort to promote our personal values. We need to learn how to keep our fingers from doing the walking all over the keyboard if we cannot assist in a positive way to the thread. Restraint takes effort. Believe me, I could blast away if I allowed myself to be drawn into that. I choose to be here, and whether I lurk or share, it is my choice. I'm sure that when the other "lurkers" have something they want to say, we'll know it, and will welcome them aboard. I try to live by what my Papa taught me when I was a little girl. He always said that if you don't have anything nice to say to help someone, sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut. Nuf said.

[KathyT]

Hi, I'm new to this forum and already I am worried as It seems free speech and opinion and controversial discussion seem to be edited and policed here as in the so called "real world". #
wow

I am disappointed because in a world where media control and enforced social suggestion is the norm, we who feel "awake" or opposed to these evils should play the same game. Surely if someone's views which evoke controversy and ill feeling enough for these views to be expressed and then the result of which requires people to be "protected" then this may go someway to show the level of confused communication we are dealing with and its inbalance as a form of perceived and irefutable communication. (Again this is why we have develop an omnilogical understanding of crop circles, but i digress)

The irony seems to be lost on alot of you.
The term Karma seems to be misquoted, misused and invoked like a trump card without true consideration to its use, for if you truely understood Karma you again would understand the use of it in this context and its ironic and paradoxical implication.

Please, I need convincing that this forum is not another waste of time. There are too many of these forums with people petty squabling, mis-perceiveing and expounding control and views about a "written universe". We are explorers, there are no truths, nothing is true and everything is permitted. Allow people to express their views no matter the consequence. A heavy dose of cynacism and conjecture is needed, we have to test everything and open it up to debate otherwise we are the same as FOX news.

nameless: I am a senior member here at AV, and regretfully I can tell you that this forum lost a majority of contributors because it turned to a subscription format. I believe that it has become unbalanced and I absolutely agree with you in that "free speech, opinion and controversial discussion" have been suppressed here.

Time will tell if this forum becomes the forum it use to be many months ago.

Truth can only be found through exploration of ideas from many sides.

[Peace of mind]

Ignore them and move on. Some mean people are honestly not aware of the pain they’re causing to others and themselves. Be mindful not to feed into the negativity because what a person puts out they get back. Learn how not to put power into what others say. Once that power is removed you should have no problem dealing with the many personalities on this planet.
In other words…what they eat will not make you defecate.

Peace

[Peace of mind]

growing pains...you'll get over it. With practice it becomes easy. I have skin thicker than a basketball. :original:

There's too much beauty in the world to enjoy, don't waste time with energy drainers.

Peace

[Peace of mind]

haha, thanks, but i'm sure being you is cool enough. Just becareful where you give your power to...

Peace

[THE eXchanger]

dearest

if you, were NOT who iT iS that you are

and, read that line

if you, were NOT who iT iS that you are

they would NOT try to hurt you

in fact, you would likely NOT get their heat/or get bothered

you get their heat ~ to spark you iNto action

only a spark, can spark another spark !!!

you are cream,
and, cream riSes above milk,

take their attacks & their comments against you,
as, THE GREAT COMPLIMENT
that iT iS

and, know that as a truth

MOST WHO TRY TO SLING THEIR MUD
are NOT worthy of slinging anything back at them,
lets face it, what purpose would be found,
in slinging mud at dirt ???:mfr_lol:

They would NOT come to attack you
NOR, talk 'ill' of you, behind your back,
and/or, do iT right out iN the open
unless, they were scared of you,
you were a threat,
or, they wanted to put our your spark !!!

The spirited, the truly spirited, will see, that as a truth !!!

So, you can only be one thing to them,
the mud / or dirt slingers,
and, that would be,
in a nutshell, a threat !!!

Funny thing ~ a 'real' light worker iS NOT a threat to anyone

They are NOT even a threat, to themselves

Awakening, iS quite a process

There iS NO real path, JK, taught us that

however, there is a trail to be blazed

be a trail blazer !!!

Go through a board, like you 'mean' buSineSS

and, do it, getting your iNSide SnakeS riSing !!!

Those who work hard, to divide a team,
are NOT lightworkers,
or, spiritual gurus,
they are simply NOT that

iT takes a very strong person ~ to NOT to fight back

to NOT feed their fires, and, just keep doing what you are doing

Silence is a great weapon ~ in FACT iT iS the most powerful one of all

THE SECRET iS WiTHiN ~ the trick is to let it out !!!

There will always be those, who try to separate teams

Remember TRY is NOT a DO !!!

(EVER had anyone tell you, they would try to make a party ???)

Did they ever turn up, put in a showing ???

Likely NOT !!!

We say, support everyone, who is doing their best

to wake people up, and, create awareness !!!

iT iS those people ~ who hold the 'real' spirit

LETS FACE iT !!!

iT iS NOT easy to try to be candle

however, iT is, and, has always been

through all time, ancient times, and, right NOW TYMES

Those CANDLES, brave enough,
to help with the LiGHTiNG OTHER CANDLES
that others try to blow out,
do NOT be a candle,that goes out in 'ill' wind

instead , be a candle,
that will propels others,
and, help them to ignite, and,
and, hep them to reunite
in ways, that brings out the 'real' spirit 'within"
and, sets people on 'fire'
and, pushes them into 'desire'

those people ~ they are the 'rare' ones

and, NO DOUBT, the rare, are oft times singled out !!!

celebrate your rareness, and, what iS unique about you !!!

The real spirit has always been here,
it started with Bill, and, it started with Kerrie,
and, their united/and, unified force/and, power as a vision,
and, look what occurred...

iT iS as alive and, as well,
or, at least,
as well, as, we, and,
all the rest of the people,
choose to come together,
and, make iT ~ all it CAN be !!!

yup-iT iS happening in this NOW

best thing to do ~ iS always be a 'good' eXpression
and, by doing so~ YOU will always be seen, to do 'good' work

THE MAIN REASON many came here at thiS TYME iS:

to do their best work

and, to do it in groups

and, to do it, in ways

~ the dark falls away,

and, EVERYTHiNG TURNS BRiGHT !!!

"To be rare, and, well_done at the same time
--is to express yourself, with integrity,
in the highest eXpression of truth, which is LOVE"


TRUTH is, always the highest eXpression of LOVE !!!

The other types of action, against us,
attacks, crude or snide comments,
fit into the lowest order !!!

Make a resolution,
to NOT accept/or be accepting of that type of stuff,
as, THE TRUTH !!! ~ because iT iS NOT

DiG DEEP and, DiSCOVER THE TRUTH
about your own stuffing !!!
and, then dish that out to the world
as. The eXchanger, that you really are !!!

iF we all did that
... what a world of eXchangerS iT would be !!!

Remember ~~ 'WiLL" is "THE WAY" !!!

[KathyT]

i'm new here so maybe my opinion doesn't count.

but how can we find the truth if mean people can be mean?

what i mean is...

i got attacked on a forum a few years ago. the people were really mean and calling me names. i think they didn't like me.

so i had to leave that forum because the people there were so mean. the names they called me and the words they used really hurt me. i cried for a few weeks because it was traumatic. i found some healing frequencies that helped me and meditated a lot. after awhile i got strong again but how can i go back there now? they might do it again.

i don't want people to be mean to me.

Some people are so much more sensitive than others. I'm not speaking about you, because I don't know you, but sometimes people are so sensitive that they become weak.

We can not know what happened to you or why on another forum. I do not understand why you would cry for weeks. My suggestion is that you try using several usernames on several forums, that will allow you to practice at your communication, and then you will be able to not be quite so sensitive about what you say. After all, it is only a forum.

Yes, it is good to avoid being mean, however, in a democracy where free speach is protected, people should be able to discuss all sides of issues.

[Céline]

Yes, it is good to avoid being mean, however, in a democracy where free speach is protected, people should be able to discuss all sides of issues.

In this house (forum) all may speak their mind...but meanness is NOT aloud.

[Gnosis5]

There is a difference between a dissagreement and a personal attack. The problem is not the disagreement, but the way it is presented.

This forum is the place where the most controversial subjects are discussed, thus without presenting them in the right format it is very easy to offend someone or be quite misunderstood.

All it takes is to apply some assertiveness when presenting one's views.. nothing more. It can be a pain and limiting sometimes, but I personally believe it is the most optimal way of sharing information at the current level of cosciousness on this forum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assertiveness


I want to thank everyone in this forum for exhibiting self-restraint and tolerance with my "out-reality" threads and postings -- I am well aware the responses could have been a lot more antagonistic. These days I lean more towards "actuality" than agreed upon "reality", which is to me an altered state.

Thanks again for the good manners shown towards me. The only time I got hit back on a post was most usually when my own manners were lacking somehow. It is a skill and an art to argue a different viewpoint. There is nothing wrong with judiciously getting someone's blood pressure up if it is done with good intentions. I would probably thank someone for making me confront something, if done correctly. Best to do it before 10pm :lightsabre:

I am copying this portion of George Kavassilas' letter to an antagonistic person. I thought it a good way to keep one's own truths without having to attack the attacker:

"Thank you very much for facilitating an opportunity to respond to such a comment. I find comments like these inspiring and empowering. They also teach me how to respond honestly and firmly but with humility, compassion and Grace."

Link to whole letter (http://www.georgekavassilas.org/june2009messagesfromtheheart.pdf)

Gnosis

[Gnosis5]

Another policy I have is to either not respond or to pick up the part of their post that does not spell it all out for me and ask for more clarity.

Gnosis

[Gnosis5]

nameless: I am a senior member here at AV, and regretfully I can tell you that this forum lost a majority of contributors because it turned to a subscription format. I believe that it has become unbalanced and I absolutely agree with you in that "free speech, opinion and controversial discussion" have been suppressed here.

Time will tell if this forum becomes the forum it use to be many months ago.

Truth can only be found through exploration of ideas from many sides.

I have not personally experienced that nor am aware of anyone else experiencing that.

Gnosis

[Gnosis5]

Wow.

I thought I'd just talk about something I do that makes it easier to respond to "hard" posts that may seem emotionally charged.

First, I just read the post and let my first impression guide me, I do not react, I just feel and write nothing. Then I reread the post and imagine that I'm the one who wrote it and use my own internal voice as the narration. I put my self in their shoes so to speak. Through doing this I have realized that nine times out of ten, the other person just wants their opinion to be respected... not to get into a fight.

If we state our opinions (as we should) keep in mind how it will be read by another reader, keep in mind that the person who writes a post feels strongly about what they are saying. Try to be that person for a few minutes so that you can understand where they are coming from...

Then respond. After all, we are all ONE.

I have no doubt that we will get it together and continue on in a way that is complimentary and respectful to ALL opinions without demeaning anyone. It is very important that we have the freedom to do so, and it is also very important that we do not abuse our freedom and thus retain an open and peaceful forum.

Peace of mind,
Wormhole


Good, I'm starting to do that more. Sometimes I get overly invested in my current viewpoint, but I upgrade my viewpoints so rapidly that I probably self-correct before anyone can take offense.

We are all going through a process here. Thank you moderators for being indulgent but firm.

Gnosis

[Majorion]

people should be able to discuss all sides of issues

Hi Kathy,

Forgive me, I'm quite late catching on as I haven't fully read the thread.

My question is, and you seem to express a feeling of being suppressed, I'm just wondering what 'side' you are referring to, what side is not supposedly allowed to discuss things?

Peace

[Majorion]

got attacked on a forum a few years ago.

Well if its any comfort, you're certainly not the only one, everyone and anyone whose been on forums.

In fact I too had such experiences, and I don't mean just 'normal disagreement', technically more like outright harassment.

The solution? is if it gets to the a point where debate is no longer an option, and if the person(s) you're discussing with cannot address your points in a respectful manner like adults, then simple, "conversation over".

Many people are more concerned with the thrill of posting negative messages rather than actually productive discussion. And so, its very easy to tell when one is not really interested in healthy debate, and best solution is ignore.

Cheers

[nameless]

I think its up to the so called administrators to unfortunately "police" threads in the sense that posters should remain on topic. Name calling and direct rudeness is off topic so should be removed . A critique/break down and analysis of someones opinion which could possibly have a percieved "negative" connotation should remain if it is in context, pertinent and on topic. It's not up to admin to make moral judgements, rebuke or reinterpret opinion, it should purely be a mechanical "contextual topic" application.

Philosophy is the pleasure of argument/conversation.

We do so in the forum of words which allows us to maintain a dissasociation with the causality of the materiel, ie we are not physicaly fighting as a way of putting across idealogies.

sometimes namecalling and bad feeling communicated is an experience we all have shared perhaps in our past and sometimes lazily attributed to rites of passage or an initiatory step. Some of us have learnt from this and that we now end up with the conclusion that words can give us pleasure as well as pain but in all circumstances and wether good or bad are an invented control mechanism that we must control, lest it control us. Others have thus been lead to the conclusion that words are a disease of language thus was created such methods as "the cut up". Writing and words we all employ follow a structure or "rules of grammer" that we have all agreed to use, a common ground for us to play on. It is self policed purely because not to do so would mean an inability to communicate and would be self harming. Maybe we should allow people to express their inability the same way we allow people to express their so called "positive creativity". either way two sides of the same coin. If one is so easily effected by words in both a positive and negative context there is an inbalance, you become a wanton victim wallowing in the supressed love of self loathing, fear and may become mainpulated and hurt too easily and would be a person better suited to some other abstract medium such as maths, painting, or music.

[micjer]

Let's cut to the chase here. A forum with total agreement on everything would not be very productive. The purpose is to post things and get points and counterpoints. Sometimes we get fired up when someone disagrees with our thinking. This should either make you feel stronger about your position or question it more.

Rudeness is another thing though. It is no different than having a face to face converstation. Just because a person is hiding behind a computer screen, doesn't give them the right to belittle another member.

The third point, and maybe the most important thing around here lately, is that are people, (or groups of people) that attack forums for the sole purpose of disrupting them and causing chaos. We have to recognize this when it is happening and do the appropriate actions. Hats off to the mods btw.

If you are not aware of what I am talking about you can click on the following link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smurf_attack

[DOMINIC 777]

I totally agree with micjer on all of his points.......and the third point has to be looked at .
We must never stop the freedom of speech, never stop different ideas etc...
maybe we can start one thread where if a person totaly disenchanted politely put,(p........off......) ....writes into it...and the rest of us try to win them back round...called the "RED ROOM"..................that way they can get it off their chest
lol
dominc


Let's cut to the chase here. A forum with total agreement on everything would not be very productive. The purpose is to post things and get points and counterpoints. Sometimes we get fired up when someone disagrees with our thinking. This should either make you feel stronger about your position or question it more.

Rudeness is another thing though. It is no different than having a face to face converstation. Just because a person is hiding behind a computer screen, doesn't give them the right to belittle another member.

The third point, and maybe the most important thing around here lately, is that are people, (or groups of people) that attack forums for the sole purpose of disrupting them and causing chaos. We have to recognize this when it is happening and do the appropriate actions. Hats off to the mods btw.

If you are not aware of what I talking about you can click on the following link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smurf_attack

[micjer]

I totally agree with micjer on all of his points.......and the third point has to be looked at .
We must never stop the freedom of speech, never stop different ideas etc...
maybe we can start one thread where if a person totaly disenchanted politely put,(p........off......) ....writes into it...and the rest of us try to win them back round...called the "RED ROOM"..................that way they can get it off their chest
lol
dominc

Kinda like a "time-out" area!



http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/lolcatsdot.jpg

[whitefluffy]

i just wrote something a bit rude about henry kissinger! Well, his latest clone anyway, is that ok? im just a useless, breeder, eater, carbon producing unit after all and don't know my place/peasant/slave status?!:mfr_lol:

just a bit of levity folks!

[giovonni]

i just wrote something a bit rude about henry kissinger! Well, his latest clone anyway, is that ok? im just a useless, breeder, eater, carbon producing unit after all and don't know my place/peasant/slave status?!:mfr_lol:

just a bit of levity folks!


http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/henry_kissinger_olympics.jpg

Henry's container~ while his clone takes a break~
it appears George's clone is quite (bored? :lol3:

[Karus]

When it comes to the topics descussed here we have to understand what truth is, "Truth" is a Beleaf of one person that the majority believes in, it was a proven beleaf 1000 years ago that the earth was flat, its was a Proven beleaf that the earth was the center of the solor system. I think we know better now? So with topic on here we have to asume that to that person it is truth, what they say because they believe it is.

Just because something has been proven to be so at the time don't make it a lie, Now I know there are people out there that will get on forums like this and Lie, and just run people down so the truth will not get out. weather you agree with it or not Uless your are there an see the truth with your own eyes, or can weed out, the out right liars.

Understand one thing Proof is not always something that is needed if you believe. God is a perfect example of this. There is no Proof that he ever existed, yet People believe in him. In what ever form your beleaf manafests him in.

that is why even if I do not think something rings true I do not discredit it because who knows 3 years down the road it might be proven to be true. Sorry its late and I have to stay up at work under the stars. Need to stay awake Sooo I added my 2cent worth lol Peace all

[orb]

I wish I could see the original post so I could check this out, it must have been a real direct attack and pretty heavy to draw this ire.

As a bit of an intuitive, you can make bit to be what you want, I get many introspections, however I specifically try not to use it in anything in regards to me because my own feelings and perceptions are suspect, and might skew things. I use the law of three and ask others who have such abilities because I am too close to the situation.

There are a few holy grails on this board, and I respect that these people have a good heart, are spending their own money, and that they have the best of intent, however I leave much of what they have on the table because there is lots of showmanship, and very little beef, aka, personal experience at least in their process or behind the scenes.

Since day one I have taken great care, involved others around me on video, shown actual clips and my process, and opened up my life to a degree, and that is what I would like to see from many of the individuals who PC make the holy grails.

Now that PC has attracted many intuitives operating on levels that the original PC members might not be aware of, these holy grails might be attacked or outed in certain respects, and the follower here who are not doing the spiritual work to open their heart center to determine these things on their own are influenced greatly by a one sided debate.

It has been stated a number of times as to the psychic abilities of the PC team in determining the most valid people to interview or those who were not worthy, and in one video Bill said "an I thought, he thinks he is important doesn't he", and we know nothing of this person. This was an intuitive feeling by Bill that might not have been fair to that person.

However there is no evidence that any of the team has any higher than average intuitive insight, and it appears they do not wish to listen or take consensus from others who might, because they are on their own clock, and that is their right, they are paying the shot, it is their experience, and we get to tag along.

However in reality if they were intutitive they would have know the subscription model would never get the job done. They would have know the moment of meeting St. Claire he had his own agenda and was actually in service to self. I could go on, but I called a number of shots here, and I knew there were a number of other intuitives who agreed with me, but we were shut out by people who are not in contact with ET's, or higher vibrational energies, a process which took years for me.

And I will make one more prediction. About 8 months ago PC was derailed, and taken off track, this will come to light. They are being manipulated through fear, and the partnership is keeping Bill from progressing forward. I respect Kerry, however the speed of growth is disparate, and Bill will need to leave the team, this is not due to any worth of each individual because I have a real soft spot for Kerry and she has literally already changed the world with a megre inheritance and accomplished more than I ever did in my life of value.

However is evident to me, there are other forces at work here, and they will harvest a certain bounty because through that energy it is getting into a great movement that has now been shut down, and they might see it yet.

There are three individuals who are most likely telling the truth, are to be commended for their service to their country and I empathize with on a personal level for the horrors they suffered, but they have nothing to offer this awakening.

Duncan O'Finegan, David Corso, Dan Burish, Aaron McCollum

There is energies who are attached to these people, and using them, as well as Kerry, and unless they rise above all fearful thought and step ourside all fear, everyone on this board might end up on the ascended earth where these people exist.

However being a free will Universe, that is your right, I plan to go to a planet where these people are not there, well I would like Kerry to be there but I think she might like the vibration of the other planet, jury is still out on that one.

[Kerry Cassidy]

Control of avalon - domain name transfer
Hi all,

For those who are not aware, Project Avalon was taken off-line for the past few hours due to a dispute between Bill Ryan and myself in regard to the removal (closing) of the Thuban thread. I closed down the Forum to prevent further destruction of this thread and to ascertain from Bill, why it had been closed. I later learned that he had not actually closed it himself but wrote a message advising the Mod team that it should be closed. As a result it was closed. I have not seen this message. I advised Bill that I temporarily shut down the forum for a few hours and wanted to discuss this and other things that he has been doing that are in violation of copyright law as well as slander of a certain individual. I wanted to prevent any further violations of this nature, due to the fact that his actions threaten me, my status as a youtube director, Project Avalon and Project Camelot as his actions leave us open for lawsuits.

For some reason Bill chooses to ignore this and continues to make disparaging remarks about Jack Burns who accompanied me recently on my trip to Europe and in the U.S. conducting Camelot interviews. Bill was of course invited to come along declined as he wished to remain in Switzerland and did not want to go along with me or with Jack. As I mentioned on Camelot, my plan is for Jack Burns to work with me via my new site Project Camelot Productions to create Camelot conferences worldwide, once an investor has been found.

It will be of special interest to all that Bob Dean has embraced Jack Burns as a brother and we spent many wonderful hours chatting about many subjects while in Laughlin. Bob and Jack share a background in the military. I will be releasing an upcoming interview with Bob in which he substantiates further witness testimony from several of our whistle blowers.

It is important that people recognize that with over a million visitors a month and a pending TV show in the works Project Camelot is vulnerable to become a target of the PTB (powers-that-be) at any time. It is with this in mind that all must realize that using a very famous song such as the Beatles IMAGINE on a Camelot video would be unacceptable... without first obtaining the copyright license. This is common knowledge in Hollywood as well as in media circles worldwide.

I have now relinquished control of the projectavalon.net domain name. I wish to state here that I do not agree with the editorial stance of this forum and do not agree with the removal of the Thuban thread. This site is now completely under Bill Ryan's control.

I am working to establish an overall portal page where links to all our respective sites will be including a link to Project Camelot.

Best wishes,

Kerry
__________________
..."if you build it they will come"
Field of Dreams

[gita]

Kerry, would you be good enough to address some of what Bill said earlier today on the chat forum?

Bill mentioned that ‘...John (Jack) Burns works for Ausrallian intelligence and that he wanted to sack all the volunteers, move Camelot to a central office in Australia, have only paid staff and have him as the co-coordinator.’

Bill also states that he has audio recording that proves 100% that Burns is an agent but that you refuse to listen!!

I’m also baffled as to why you would shut down the forum because of internal dispute. The members seem to have been caught in the cross fire here and it’s not a very comfortable place to be in. It feels like we’re being forced to take sides which like children from a divorce situation is heart breaking. We do appreciate both of you and everything you’ve done.

Many thanks.

[lightblue]

agreeing with gita's concerns totally (above)

also

It will be of special interest to all that Bob Dean has embraced Jack Burns as a brother and we spent many wonderful hours chatting about many subjects while in Laughlin. Bob and Jack share a background in the military. I will be releasing an upcoming interview with Bob in which he substantiates further witness testimony from several of our whistle blowers.


with respect, but bob dean hasn't come up with a ground breaking new informatin exept confirming what henry deacon had already presented - with a lot more grace and less ego...i mean, knowing that he (b dean) decided to spill the beans because the higher ups consistently hindred HIS own career advancement at the time, doesn't make him very trustworthy in my book:nono:..and that's in his own words as posted on PC.

best wishes l.


.

[Truthseeker512]

Ive only been a member for a short time, fan of PC since last yr.

Its sad to see this spilling into the public domain.

Both you (kerry) and Bill have created quite a wonderful resource for like minded ppl. I had the impression this creation was run by mature, level headed individuals, However when the creators have spats in full public view it really puts this view into question. For PC to function as it is intended, credibility is pretty much the only currency you can deal with in these realms.

Its sad to see both of your working relationships deteriorate and quite possibly your personal ones too. Positive thoughts go out to both you and Bill and I hope you can get back to bein the team that inspires so many.

[HORIZONS]

Ive only been a member for a short time, fan of PC since last yr.

Its sad to see this spilling into the public domain.

Both you (kerry) and Bill have created quite a wonderful resource for like minded ppl. I had the impression this creation was run by mature, level headed individuals, However when the creators have spats in full public view it really puts this view into question. For PC to function as it is intended, credibility is pretty much the only currency you can deal with in these realms.

Its sad to see both of your working relationships deteriorate and quite possibly your personal ones too. Positive thoughts go out to both you and Bill and I hope you can get back to bein the team that inspires so many.

Yes and Amen!! Decisions made in anger are most always a big mistake.

[nostrovia]

To me, whistleblowers are people too. I'm not about to hold them on a pedestal and neither should anyone else. It doesn't mean that they should be attacked en masse like any other people. But, when people disagree, they should be able to express those disagreements in a civil manner.

I've been lurking here for some time, and listening to PC for a very long time and I totally agree with this above. I do however become concerned with people who intentionally try to deceive others. I think anyone can agree that it's hard not to be frustrated with folks like that. Still anger doesn't do much positive.

[nostrovia]

It is important that people recognize that with over a million visitors a month and a pending TV show in the works Project Camelot is vulnerable to become a target of the PTB (powers-that-be) at any time.

Hi Kerry, thanks for your candor. Regarding your statement above. As you probably know it seems the powers-that-be usually try first to corrupt a good organization and turn it into a tool, once that proves ineffective then they may distroy it completely.

[DOMINIC 777]

WOWZER!! Can I safely throw my 2 cents worth in here? I see some pretty close to threat material in this thread, and thats not on. What the hell is it coming to when someone cannot place their opinion of any individual so called insider whistleblower without being shot at by obvious supporters of that insider. It not cricket!!. I too have grave misgivings about Dan Burisch, maybe one or two others, GONNA TAKE A POP AT ME? I'm up for it:original:

Barry

I agree...any individual can express thenselves ...moderator or not you cannot go around shouting you mouth off...here in the U.K . we give everone the chance to have an opinion , it is called freedom ...it is not cricket ..it is not rugger
lol
dom

[DOMINIC 777]

Kerry, would you be good enough to address some of what Bill said earlier today on the chat forum?

Bill mentioned that ‘...John (Jack) Burns works for Ausrallian intelligence and that he wanted to sack all the volunteers, move Camelot to a central office in Australia, have only paid staff and have him as the co-coordinator.’

Bill also states that he has audio recording that proves 100% that Burns is an agent but that you refuse to listen!!

I’m also baffled as to why you would shut down the forum because of internal dispute. The members seem to have been caught in the cross fire here and it’s not a very comfortable place to be in. It feels like we’re being forced to take sides which like children from a divorce situation is heart breaking. We do appreciate both of you and everything you’ve done.

Many thanks.

Thanks Gita ...totally agree.............you are dealing with adults here not kindergarten