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Northern Boy

08-05-2009, 06:25 PM

for any one wishing to know what`s going on with him since his last Interview with Rick Keefe in april of this year here it is . I e-mailed him after I watched the interview and asked a question and Rick repleied here is the question I asked

Thanks for bringing us Alex`s latest interview I was just wondering
what if any impression you got from this latest one . Personally It
seems to me that the message has changed slightly to where we may
get assistance to get out of this mess we are in from other
benevolent races .

At any rate if you correspond with Alex please thank him for
everything has done and have had to put his family thru ......Rick

This was his reply

Rick,

Thanks for your comments and your support for him.
Yes, I think Alex feels that there may be more prominent interventions,
but it's not clear when that would be visible to us.
My impression is that Alex is still reluctant to share
because he gets so much heat from disclosing the Andromedan material.

Then he added these two updates from his site http://www.ufohypotheses.com/

Updated May 1, 2009
Alex Collier Volume Three Uploaded To YouTube It's my pleasure to
announce a wonderful, new interview with Alex Collier that
has already been viewed by over 10,000 in just three days, and YouTube
awarded the site the 64th to the 82nd most watched director on YouTube
for two consecutive days to YouTube/UFOHypotheses this week.
If you haven't seen it yet, enjoy this rare interview
opportunity, the first new interview of Alex Collier by Rick Keefe in
fourteen years!

Updated May 2, 2009
Attacks on Collier beginning again
And while Collier's relaying of the Andromedan message is
connecting with so many people from so many different countries and
continents, expect that
a few certain giant egos in the UFO field are likely working in
concert with special operations agents who work through these
ego-ridden, greedy puppets to smear and attack Collier again, while
they try to divide up the Exopolitics community, and stall the
moderate and liberal wings of UFO research.
God forbid that you listen to Collier with an open mind and make
a decision for yourself about the Andromedan information.
That's just not something that the the corporate fascists who
reside in all areas of the U.S. could stand for long. It appears three
days was their limit this time, naturally due to the release of the
sensitive information of Alex Collier Volume Three .
Who are those men off-stage or behind the curtain who order
people tortured and who are those men who have their pockets stuffed
with gold, oil and sacrifice the lives of our armed service men and
women to further their greedy ambitions?
And all it takes is a little of their gold to find its way into
the outstretched hand of a lapdog, another desperate puppet in charge
of a smear campaign for profit and control of public opinion... giant
egos, and hollow hearts.
Bear in mind, again, that Alex Collier has not charged for his
book or any of his productions with Rick Keefe. [Sharing the material
is an honor itself, and reward enough.] Always remember to use your
mind and intuition together.

he finished off his reply by adding this

I'm going to forward your letter on to Alex.
He will probably not write back, but he may.

Best regards,
Rick
****

Now in regards to the Attacks he is facing he has address them in this July 14 2009 letter which can be found here

http://www.ufohypotheses.com/collier.htm

An Open Letter from Alex Collier

July 14, 2009

As many of you are aware, I am being bitterly attacked from the Billy Meier/FIGU camp, especially by their U.S. publicist, Michael Horn. I am being addressed as a liar and a fraud. Apparently, because I changed my name and at most times in my life during on going contacts, I chose to not share this reality with people who were acquaintances. Why would I? You also need to know that I have addressed this issue publicly in earlier lectures years ago. But maybe it’s necessary to deal with it for the last time.

In the early 90's when I came forward, the talks were very small. More like living room chats, just a hand full of people. I stopped speaking in 2002. After being addressed in front of my mailbox by three well dressed men that were part of a "Program", I was told to "Shut the f*#@ up". I was then told that friends were going to be hurt if I did not shut up. The names were given to me. They were not kidding and it wasn't a joke. They were going to kill friends and family members.

Fast forward the internet. I had no idea that the information would go where it has. In 1990 when Morenay had asked me to speak and share "some of my experiences" I reluctantly said yes. I spoke to my Dad regarding this. My dad had an experience of my contacts when we lived in upper state NY. We spoke of it that morning and as my Dad was a strong catholic, his questions were very direct. I felt that if I was going to speak he needed to know. Dad was afraid of what would not only happen to me but our family. My brothers and sisters, and himself by government and religious harassment, etc.... We spoke about using another name to share the information in some way to protect my family.

At times in my life while contacts were on going it has been very difficult and hard to share it. I had a head full of knowledge, and experiences but could not share it. I was told that at those times there was no one I could truly trust. When I did not listen to the “Andromedans”, they would prove to be right. Supposed friends betrayed and stole from me. Enough said about that.

I have shared the information that I was asked to. I don't sell anything. I was told by the Andromedans not to make a business of this in any way. And so I haven't. I have tried very hard to keep a low profile and protect my family from hurt and prejudice, by those who don't give a damn about my family. All they want is to keep their name in lights and beat their chest, by declaring they have the secret and they are the only ones with the truth. That Mr. Billy Meier is the only contactee in the entire world. That’s the lie, Ladies and Gentlemen. Billy is not and nor has he ever been the only one.

I am very saddened that many researchers and authors who have found their own evidence to collaborate information shared by the Andromedans and other races are now being attacked for it. They are also accused of being involved in and perpetrating a fraud. Dr Salla, Paola Harris, and Col.Wendelle Stevens to just name a few. They have tirelessly dedicated themselves to helping humanity. Mr. Horn’s accusations are despicable.

Paola Harris is one of the most honest and sincere persons on earth, whose integrity is beyond reproach. It’s disgusting that she should continue to be abused and harassed by this man only because she interviewed me. She was simply doing her job in the most objective way.

Dr. Salla's efforts to help bring humanity together and see the bigger picture will have a profound effect on humanity in a positive way for decades. And I also feel that Dr Salla's honesty is beyond reproach.

Col. Stevens, whom I met for the first time in Japan, is a real gentleman. He has tirelessly researched contactees for 50 years. His should be the only voice any of us listen to regarding who is a real contactee or not. And his work is probably the largest single contribution to humanity regarding Exopolitics. Point of fact.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I frankly at this point don't care if any of you believe or not. All the research, all of the sacrifices everyone in this field has made and will make is due to endless hours of lost family time, as well as the loss of family and peace of mind. And of course the ridicule from others, who have no clue how huge and important this subject really is. This has been and was done for humanity. This is for us as a race to have a new perspective, a new place to start when the lies of our false history collapse under the weight of truth, that we are not alone and have never been; a revelation that we are so much more than we have been told.

The “lie” is that Billy Meier is the only contactee. And if the "Pleiadians" (excuse me) "The Plejarians" (they changed their name, too), told Billy he was the only one, then they have lied. You must keep this in prospective also as well. There are in fact many contactees in the world. I have been told that there are at least 1,407 at this present moment. You may be one of them yourself. I think we should continue to move forward and help humanity achieve its potential.

Ladies and Gentlemen, in closing I have given what I can. It’s out there and that's what I agreed to do. You can choose to read it, listen to it, and research it or not. The information is the Andromedans' prospective. That's it. I would of course always encourage you to research the field. There is a wealth of information out there by many great dedicated researchers and speakers. NO ONE HAS THE WHOLE STORY. But it’s for you to discover who you are and your place in this drama of conscious and spiritual evolution. Be your own savior. Take the pressure off of GOD and help yourself. The worst case is you will be an inspiration and leader to others, to invest in themselves and see themselves as they truly are: genetic royalty and incredible beings.

I feel it’s necessary to add this last clarification for you. I have no vested interest in this information. And as such I really could care less what anyone thinks. My intention was to share the information and give a different prospective. I have had a lot of growth to go through and am now the father of five. I must put the welfare of my family first and move beyond this sideshow with FIGU/Michael Horn.

I am done with this. Think what you will, but please keep your minds open. It’s the only way your life will work…

Respectfully,
Alex Collier

Dr Michael Salla letter to Alex Collier

Updated 2009 July 15:
An Open Letter from Dr. Michael Salla regarding Alex Collier

To all, below is a statement by Alex Collier concerning recent criticisms against him by Michael Horn. Horn's main criticisms are that Alex did not confide his childhood contact experience to Horn and others in the mid-to-late 1980s; changed his name prior to going public with his claims in the early 1990s; and has not provided hard evidence to support his claims. Alex satisfactorily responds to the first two criticisms and explains why he went silent in 2002 due to threats against family and friends. Such threats pertain to the release of hard evidence in favor of his claims. As a former human rights investigator and researcher, professional standards and ethics always need to be applied to witnesses of events whose retelling involves significant personal risk. Since Alex was then and still is a father with young children, I immediately accepted and respected his concerns. In my five year investigation of Alex's claims, I have found no evidence of fraud, and been privy to additional evidence in support of his claims that has not been made public.

I find it ironic that Alex who has not sought to profit from his contact experiences, permits the free distribution of his information and has not encouraged a cult around himself, is attacked by someone who profits from the Meier material, bullies others into surrendering copyright ownership of Meier's photos, and actively promotes a cult movement around Meier as a modern profit; sorry, reincarnated prophet, Enoch/Henoch, Isaiah, Jesus/Jmannuel, Muhammed, etc. I find Horn's internet antics and unscrupulous attacks against Alex Collier and others as transparently directed towards promoting the Meier case. He is after all Meier's U.S. publicist.

It is important that people like Alex are protected so they can safely share their material, rather than be hounded for not releasing information to the public that they sincerely believe would endanger family and friends. I stand by my earlier statements that Alex Collier is very credible and a man of great integrity whose friendship I value. For those interested in learning more about Alex Collier's experiences concerning a race of human looking extraterrestrials from the Andromeda constellation, I have created a page here with links, witness statements, video testimonies, and the results so far of my own ongoing investigation into Alex's remarkable claims.

Aloha
Michael E. Salla, Ph.D.
Kealakekua , Hawaii

mntruthseeker

08-05-2009, 07:40 PM

NorthernBoy I have read this letter previously but not the new update today.

I have learned much from Alex Collier and he does have the stories to tell. He has done so much to bring this out to us and I commend him for this.

I find it hard to understand Billy Meier's logic in attacking him. It only causes me to discredit what he had to say. I will no longer look to him for confirmation of anything.

This is very interesting and I hope somebody really picks up on this and puts the real "terrorist" in prison to spend the rest of their days. They have no right to be roaming around.

Thank you for sharing :thumb_yello:

orthodoxymoron

08-05-2009, 08:37 PM

To me...this was the key Collier paragraph:

'Ladies and Gentlemen, in closing I have given what I can. It’s out there and that's what I agreed to do. You can choose to read it, listen to it, and research it or not. The information is the Andromedans' prospective. That's it. I would of course always encourage you to research the field. There is a wealth of information out there by many great dedicated researchers and speakers. NO ONE HAS THE WHOLE STORY. But it’s for you to discover who you are and your place in this drama of conscious and spiritual evolution. Be your own savior. Take the pressure off of GOD and help yourself. The worst case is you will be an inspiration and leader to others, to invest in themselves and see themselves as they truly are: genetic royalty and incredible beings.'

I keep getting the feeling that looking at a combination of Bill Cooper's and Alex Collier's information...is a good place to begin. I don't know if everything they said is true. I don't know if 50% of everything they said is true. But using that information as a home base from which to research further...seems to make sense. Mind you...I'm relatively new to taking a hard look at all of this. I just think that there is so much deception and misinformation in this area of study. Plus...we are gullible and emotional...and we have been lied to and messed with...over and over and over again. Then...add the fame, fortune, and power motives...and things really get confused and crazy. We gravitate toward the exciting and the sensational...and may completely miss the most important information and truths.

I also keep getting the feeling that there are people who are survivors of Montauk(or other similar programs)...who have done extensive research...and who have other inside information from inside sources...who present their solid material from the perspective of a fictional background and fictional sources...in a fictional context. I have no proof of this...just a sense. Someone who really knows what's going on may also be destabilized by the trauma of knowing the truth...which may be very unpleasant. Then there are the undoubtedly intense power stuggles of various human and non-human factions...with incredible technology and who knows what...hanging in the balance? The stakes may be higher than we can comprehend. The overall situation which we are in may be more precarious than we can imagine. Who knows? We just have to keep asking the hard questions...and openly yet critically evaluating the answers and claims.

Thank-you for posting these updates.

Northern Boy

08-05-2009, 09:49 PM

mntruthseeker

08-05-2009, 11:45 PM

That certainly puts the difference between collier and meiers in perspective. I was trying to figure that one out. I would not discredit either but I never have liked one discounting the other. It does discredit my opinion on that person.

I will never believe that the aliens only visited one person. I know that there are so many different breeds/speicies whatever of them here on earth.

That doesnt take a rocket scientist to explain. I know some of the abductees are being done by our own government. Of course they maybe ET's themselfs, who the hell knows anymore. We seem to be hybreds LOL oh my head is spinning now.

I have much respect for Alex and Michael Tsarsion and I believe those men do know what the hell they are talking about. I can't afford to buy all the books I want so its nice to know that his book is free online. To me that is a man that is in to give us the information and let us run with it...............

I appreciate the plug in for his book although I think I have more than enough to read online already, I hope to get at his book

micjer

08-06-2009, 12:24 PM

That certainly puts the difference between collier and meiers in perspective. I was trying to figure that one out. I would not discredit either but I never have liked one discounting the other. It does discredit my opinion on that person.

I will never believe that the aliens only visited one person. I know that there are so many different breeds/speicies whatever of them here on earth.

That doesnt take a rocket scientist to explain. I know some of the abductees are being done by our own government. Of course they maybe ET's themselfs, who the hell knows anymore. We seem to be hybreds LOL oh my head is spinning now.

I have much respect for Alex and Michael Tsarsion and I believe those men do know what the hell they are talking about. I can't afford to buy all the books I want so its nice to know that his book is free online. To me that is a man that is in to give us the information and let us run with it...............

I agree. I feel Billie may have had contact and all that but it is this profit thing that bothers me. Especially now that Horn has basically taken over. He reminds me of a little weazel that figured out there was big money in publishing this information. Some of the evidence he portrays is man-made to try and generate "proof".

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/meiernavealca1.jpg

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/meiertampalaca.jpg

mntruthseeker

08-06-2009, 02:03 PM

I agree. I feel Billie may have had contact and all that but it is this profit thing that bothers me. Especially now that Horn has basically taken over. He reminds me of a little weazel that figured out there was big money in publishing this information. Some of the evidence he portrays is man-made to try and generate "proof".

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/meiernavealca1.jpg

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/meiertampalaca.jpg

Your point well made

day

08-06-2009, 03:30 PM

My take on it is this Alex wrote a book it is free anyone can down load On Sacred Ground it is free all his interviews free he is not in this to make money what he has mentioned a few times is this the Pleiadiens were supposed to watch out over us after we were seeded and they did ...... for a while then they left and while they were gone another species took over and those are the ones we have dealt with most of our lives . When the Pleiadiens came back there was nothing they could do but what Alex has been told is the Andromadians left the Pleiadiens in charge of us the, Pleiadiens screwd up so this may be the bone of contention with Mier`s group .

How would Mier`s know he was the only contact ? He wouldn`t time will give us our answer

I saw this too, when Alex Collier said that the Pleiadiens left, this was also noted in the Meier contact notes -- that used to be on the internet, in their entirety. Today there are only a few, and those on their website do not go back to when Samjase was the main contact person.

(Those Notes where full of valuable info, they did not in any way contract from any other contactee, including Alex Collier)-- when they (Plejarans) left, that was right in the contact notes I have to elaborate because Alex Collier was stating a truth.

The P's left after one of the crew Semjase had a serious accident, and was sent back to their home planet (The contact notes, once free on the internet are now sold in book form, but do not know if they include the incidents leading up to Samjase's accident and the conditions that led up to their departure from earth.)

Michael Horn came on the scene at this time, to become the official spokes person for the 'Meier case as he calls it.

The contact notes continued but no longer with Samjase, and the timber of the message was changed in its value and seemed like a regurgitation of what had already been said.

The drama that unfolded for the supporting FIGU society also went though drastic challenges, with one member have been taken over by a negative entity that threatened the survival of FIGU

I am not sure if Billy Meier has attacked Alex Collier, it is possible that this has been misconstrued as Michael Horn acting for Billy Meier.

Michael Horn and Alex Collier used to be friends sharing the Meier material.

Billy Meier said that he was the only one with contact of the Plejarans, not the Pleiadians, (Billy maintains that his contact was not with Pleiadians, but Plejarans) but not overall.

Michael Horn who is selling videos, books and doing the tour circuit attacked Alex as soon as the statement was made that the P's had left.

the FIGU society used to also have an affilliation with George Green who was a supporter of the Pleiadian Commander Haton material.

They also had a falling out years back

Billy Meier is said to have ongoing contact with Ptaah, the father of Samjase, but the contact notes have a totally different feel, without the higher energy that came with the earlier notes. This too was in the contact notes.

Randolf Winters was also a spokes person for the FIGU Society before Michael Horn, His videos can be found on google. He also left the FIGU society due to the huge negativity he encountered.

Alex Collier is the only contactee that never wanted to sell anything, and kept everything free, even when he lost jobs -- amazing with his academic background and with having a family to support he stayed true to the spiritual integrity of his material

day

08-06-2009, 04:17 PM

Antonia

08-06-2009, 05:35 PM

Alex Collier's energy signiture is very genuine.... I find the Billy Mier material starts of on a good path but then falls short. The Plejorians spiritual perspective's on karma etc is very cleverly tainted to give the ruse of total light and love but then bends in to a self serving un-compasionate ideoligy. I think his contacts if real, are not who they claim to be and they are Ashtar/Nordics who work with the negitive factions of the reptillian and Orions... They are pretenders....

As for Micheal Horn... the first time I saw him talk on video I got the instant creeps.... Bad energy....

He was talking about Karma and said that we should basically leave the third worl people starving as that was their karma... Oh yeah, he said we should got there and make sure they are comfortable as they die... ? but not interfere and feed them.... How Nazi, clinical, smug hartless and arrogent.... very NWO eugenics. I felt sick watching and had to turn him off.....

THE RA MATERIALS STATES WHEBN ASKED THE SAME THING "sHOULD WE INTERFERE WITH THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES DURING FAMINES ETC OR IS IT INTERFERING WITH KARMA? RA ANSWERED, "WHEN SOME ONE IS HUNGRY YOU FEED THEM! ( It's not rocket science)

And ... have you ever read such tosh as the Talmut of Emanual??? Paaleese!!
Such utter bull..... It was very convienient that Billy and His wonderful publisher just happened to be walking along in the Jerusalem, by some cave and the scroll just happened to be sticking out of a rock???

Allso that famous photo of a Terridactal , Billy supposedly took when he went back in time has an exact copy in some encylipedia, some one posted it on this web site not too long ago cant remember the thread....

Northern Boy

08-06-2009, 06:24 PM

From what I have gathered Billy no longer speaks to people the group surrounding him does all the talking now they allow no one access to Billy

happyhollergal

08-06-2009, 07:29 PM

If you've listened to Wendelle Stevens (google video) speak about the Billy Meier material, he clearly says that he no longer has contact with Meier because other people "own Billy", namely FIGU, Michael Horn. Wendelle is one of the most believable researchers of our time and has spent his adult lifetime providing information to others at great expense. As for Michael Horn, I believe that he is strictly all about making a profit and name for himself, not Billy. On his website TheyFly.com, he goes into a rant against Alex Collier, Dr. Salla and others. It's in the center of the home page, toward the bottom, titled "Exopolitics: The Ultimate UFO Disinformation Operation?". Sorry, I don't know how to post links. The earlier contact notes are in audio form on google video search Billy Meier Contact Notes. They are hours and hours long. I had a problem with the narrator putting me to sleep, so I didn't listen but a few hours, and stopped when I heard that Billy says the Plejarans/Pleadians encourage population control like the Georgia guide stones state to keep population under 500,000,000. For me, there's too much other info out there to keep me busy, rather than focus on those who are slinging mud at one another to protect their profits. We all have the right to choose who and what to believe for ourselves, and not criticize others who disagree with us. Alex Colllier doesn't tell folks his experience for profit. He may have other motives or his information may very well be true. Noone knows but Alex himself. I try to listen to the message and not the messenger. Sometimes we can get very good information from those who have ulterior motives.

orthodoxymoron

08-06-2009, 08:39 PM

Copy and paste the URL at the top of the screen. I think I said that right. We can get important information from just about anyone...including fakes, frauds, and greedy weasels. But researcher beware. Don't give them your money or your wife!

happyhollergal

08-06-2009, 09:18 PM

Thanks ortho, and I'm laughing about your response. Good thing all my money's gone and I don't have a wife, lol.

day

08-07-2009, 02:38 PM

From what I have gathered Billy no longer speaks to people the group surrounding him does all the talking now they allow no one access to Billy

That was my perception too... thanks for posting the update. Even though Alex will no longer be lecturing, we can still learn from his past talks, and book. So much of what he shared is timeless. A true unsung hero:original:

orthodoxymoron

08-07-2009, 04:36 PM

Who seems to know the most about Alex Collier and his material? Rick Keefe or Michael Salla perhaps? Who seems to know the most about Bill Cooper and his material? I looked at a website which is operated by someone who was close to Cooper...but the site didn't resonate with me. Is there someone who has focused on these two sources? I don't know why these two people have made such an impression on me. They just seemed to lay out a picture which was very startling and troubling...yet which made so much sense to me. Unfortunately...I don't have the background or resources to really verify their information...but I haven't found much to refute what they said...and there are many others who have said similar things. So many sources...so little time.

I tried to discuss Alex Collier, Bill Cooper, and Bill Still on another thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11000&highlight=orthodoxymoron but there was very little interest. Interest in threads seems to be inversely proportional to the importance of the threads.

day

08-07-2009, 05:27 PM

HI Ortho

maybe you have seen these sites but will post them in case others have not seen them -
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_andromedacom.htm
http://exopoliticsjournal.com/vol-2/vol-2-3-Collier.htm
Alex collier's book: Defending Sacred Ground
free pdf download
http://www.exopolitics.org/collier-dsg1.pdf

Alex used to have his own website but took it down due to threats to his
family and friends- these links will give the info that was on his website
a little background Dr. Salla, exopolotics and the download to his books

thankfully due to the wonderful people who also belief in his testimony
Alex's work, videos etc. are all kept alive and free.

there is a book of the Andromedan Compendium at Amazon.com, but the info is still available for free....

hope this helps:original:

cosmictexan

08-07-2009, 05:45 PM

I think the Camelot radio show yesterday with Miriam Delicado explains a lot of what is going on right now with the bickering and finger pointing in the UFO community. It made a lot of sense. I think it puts the Alex Collier/Billy Meier, PC/Dan Burisch conflicts into persceptive. For the link go the the home page of Project Camelot for the link.

day

08-07-2009, 07:02 PM

orthodoxymoron

08-07-2009, 07:18 PM

Thank-you day! Namaste...and have a nice day!:original:

Antara

08-11-2009, 04:32 PM

Day - thank you for these links. I'm new to the forum, but not PC. how did I miss that there is a break with PC and Burisch? what happened or is there a link for that too? :-)

cosmictexan

08-11-2009, 05:30 PM

Antara,

You can read the welcome page for PC and it gives a little info but most of the info is on the Eagles Disobey web site(Dan Burisch's site). He had it plastered all over the front page of the site. Also check out this thread for more info

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15714&highlight=calling+Burisch

Northern Boy

08-19-2009, 01:05 AM

An interview from 1998 with Art Bell on Coast To Coast

YouTube - Classic - Contactee Alex Collier on C2C AM Part1

mntruthseeker

08-19-2009, 03:18 AM

It always seems to amaze me how when I listen to these video's I hear something new. Its like I am hearing it for the first time AGAIN

I will never get tired of hearing from Alex. He is so down to earth and his stories never really waiver

TRANCOSO

08-19-2009, 04:57 PM

I guess Bill Cooper made so much impression to you, Orthodoxymoron, for the same reason as it did to me; the picture he painted almost 20 years ago has been falling into place bit by bit & the BS factor of 'Behold A Pale Horse' is very low.
I'm now reading 'Casebook on Alternative 3 (1994) by Jim Keith again (I have my own small library), that also impressed me a lot, the first time I've read it. And I can tell you, I'm not dissapointed by it. Pitty you don't live around the corner, I would borrow it to you. Although ... Maybe if you'd live in the same street I would.
By the way, great thread everyone! Keep up the good work!

Lionhawk

09-25-2009, 07:13 AM

Greetings everyone.

I would like to make a few comments about this thread, pertaining to the Billy vs. Alex controversy that is going on.

What I am hearing is a general take that Billy and Alex is not the problem. It's Micheal Horn. I also concur on this. So in general I think we are in tune with what is occurring and for me that is refreshing to see and experience on a forum platform. Let me explain further.

Now if anyone has any psychic abilities, you would probably conclude the same thing. Micheal Horn is not what he appears to be. His goal is to discredit both Alex and Billy, even though he appears to be in Billy's camp. Billy has been pushed into a box and is being kept there against his will and at the same time he is protecting Plejaren information from getting into Micheal's hands. In this case Billy is keeping his enemies closer than his friends.

You also cannot fault Alex for his take on things. I'm not saying anyone here has done that. What I am saying is that it is a great risk to come out of the closet and tell the truth of one's path. Anyone who has done this also knows the prosecution one must endure is relentless. Also as to protecting the ones you love is such an added stress. It will wear you down and cause such distractions from keeping you doing the real work.

What I propose is that we do something constructive about this and start turning the tables around. These dark bastards have had their way far to long and it's time to empower ourselves and do something about it. Look at what has happened for all our in actions. We wake up and find ourselves in a big pile of poo.

As with everyone that I have encountered in this field of experience, exposing the truth, you become a target. Exposing your family and friends as well, without their knowing in most cases. The dark play out all the cards they can which can discredit, and just plain kill.

What I am discussing is on another level. The first level being the second hand information we constantly find ourselves sifting through. Be it news, radio, media formats of every type, compounding it with technologies that can cause brain damage, and that list goes on and on. I could write a book in this thread but you get the idea. This other level is where it isn't a question of whether these things exist. We "KNOW" they exist. That's if you did your homework to be in the know. Beliefs aren't proven. To know is to prove it.

What we lack is not so much the will but the gathering to make a stand as in an unification of gifts and talents that we have within ourselves that is not being directed to thwart these attacks on all these levels. Look around and you will see that most of the truth bringers that have shined their light on our world have been killed. From Jesus to Martin Luther King and don't forget all the creative musicians that have also blessed us with their music. This list goes on and on. But what is the common denominator? They were exposing their truths on their own without the proper support to protect them.

Alex and Billy are also in this kind of pickle. How many death threats have they both received? In my mind if you are getting death threats because you are exposing the truth, then you must be exposing the truth! We know they don't want us to know. Because if we did, then we would put them in their place and that goes against everything these dark "Blanks" are about in the first place.

A few months ago, Kerry put up a calling. A calling in regards to gather a Light Army. What ever happened to that idea?

If you watched the Alex interview in 1994 and watched his reactions including the facial expressions, when he was asked what to do when you come across one of these Reptoids, what did he say and how did he say it?

Am I getting to carried away here? I don't mind dancing but if anyone has been listening here lately we know we are at the point of no return. Make no mistake as this is not a fear based reply. That's another tactic they use to disarm us keeping us complacent by saying you are just speaking out of fear.
If you are operating from the second hand I would agree with that. But I am not. I am a survivor of such an encounter on two separate occasions. I am alive to tell it. Most everyone I have encountered have been blessed by not having that experience. But when Alex says you better run, I know first hand what he means by that!

When Alex also says it isn't about him, I know in my heart what he means by that too. This thread is just one little facet but it all leads to the same source of all our problems and until we gather up and decide to make good use of what is already within us, they will win and we will never be free. The time has come to sort out where you stand in all of this.

I say we put our talents and our gifts together and put something into action. Or we can continue to do nothing but discuss it and end up with nothing. Alex, Billy, Alex Jones, Bill & Kerry, and everyone else out there who is doing the do, by exposing the lies and bringing the truth forward are all putting themselves at risk. Why? Integrity of the soul. That would include everyone here and abroad seeking the answers. We are all of the same with just a different label attached to us. That is the only difference. In other words we all have an equal stake in these times. No different than anyone else.

I hope all of you forgive my passion in these matters. For me it is more of a sense of urgency to what lays before us. It is with the greatest hope that I placed a fire in this thread and it spreads. A fire that can burn out this darkness that has ruled us for so long. We are not alone as there are good ETs out there willing to help us but we have to get off our butts and make that choice to do something before they will come in and help us. The situation is that we can't do all this alone and everyone out there knows it. It's whether we can know it. It isn't a matter of belief. The dark wants us to believe. They don't want us to know. As long as everyone is subscribing to belief structures on any level, we will surely continue down this path of enslavement. You think that is a fear based statement then take a look at history and prove me wrong.

I will leave this with you and I hope we can put something together in a constructive way. This issue with Alex and Billy is just as good as any to start somewhere. I am open to suggestions. Think people!

Namaste'

BROOK

09-25-2009, 07:31 AM

OMG...Bravo...great post :thumb_yello:

Now if anyone has any psychic abilities, you would probably conclude the same thing. Michale Horn is not what he appears to be. His goal is to discredit both Alex and Billy, even though he appears to be in Billy's camp. Billy has been pushed into a box and is being kept there against his will and at the same time he is protecting Plejaren information from getting into Micheal's hands. In this case Billy is keeping his enemies closer than his friends.
On this I cannot agree more..and have always felt that about Michael Horn and the relationship with Billy :thumb_yello:

I say we put our talents and our gifts together and put something into action. Or we can continue to do nothing but discuss it and end up with nothing. Alex, Billy, Alex Jones, Bill & Kerry, and everyone else out there who is doing the do, by exposing the lies and bringing the truth forward are all putting themselves at risk. Why? Integrity of the soul. That would include everyone here and abroad seeking the answers. We are all of the same with just a different label attached to us. That is the only difference. In other words we all have an equal stake in these times. No different than anyone else.

Again I agree...too much back and forth...views about this and that...let's use our gift of discernment...we are all here because we are waking up to the untold forces around us...and are seeing what is and now we need to move to what needs to be done :thumb_yello:

Bravo Lionhawh for pointing our the obvious :thumb_yello:
And welcome to Avalon :welcomeani:

orthodoxymoron

09-25-2009, 07:32 AM

Welcome Lionhawk! Are the reptilians both physical and spiritual? Some have suggested that they are demons...and that aliens are a cover for demons. I have had a couple of supernatural encounters which may have involved reptilians...but I don't really know. It exerted force...but was invisible. Could you elaborate on your encounters? Some say that reptilians don't like it if you talk about Jesus. Do reptilians really and literally eat humans? Is Lucifer a reptilian? Sorry for all the questions.

Lionhawk

09-25-2009, 09:32 AM

Thank-you Brook!

There are a few things that I haven't revealed here as you may have guessed. Billy is a good guy and I know for a fact he knows what is happening but is presently powerless to break out of his situation. He is also aware of what is happening with Alex as well. To his dismay I might add. Billy's present position is like someone who is in a retirement home and some of the staff members are abusing him, in terms of energy. They don't want to make a martyr out of him, so they are keeping him alive, as that would just give further validation of the real truth and all of his work would then be fully credible. This will also give credence as to why he isn't talking to anyone. That is also why Kerry was turned away. Rescue plans have been activated and as long Billy stays calm he will see his way out of there. The Plejarens are watching over him as I write this.

Micheal Horn's time is running out and he will be held accountable for his actions. He thinks he is getting by with his actions and laughing his way to the bank. We will let him continue to think this. In doing so, Billy will stay alive. But make no mistake as Micheal Horn is a marked man no matter the outcome.

ODM,

In many ways I feel just like Miriam when she says, "I don't want to be here and tell you these things. I really don't!" The truth about all this is not pretty. On many levels even the word horrific doesn't describe it.

If you have ever had an experience that involved a Reptoid, you would KNOW it! There would be absolutely no uncertainty with this type of encounter.

There are two basic types of the Reptoids I am aware of. The Draconians who are your so called demon types and a rogue faction. I have encountered both types. They both have conspired together on their agendas. The one I first encounter was a Draconian. A demon that stood at least 7' tall. The other encounter was an abduction attempt and they came by ship. Two ships were placed in the neighborhood in strategic locations. They sent 3 soldier types to retrieve me and at the last second were recalled. This is the short story of this topic. Lucifer has been recycled. But there is a new leader who has taken his place. I encountered him in 2005. There is so much I am not saying here. They will not negotiate period and are willing to destroy this Planet entirely if they don't have their way with her and us. If there is a God spark within them, I couldn't see it. Alex is dead on when he says we are a food source. Kids especially. The data is out there and verifiable. Go find it! But proceed with caution.

Goodnight!

Kinsuemei2

10-22-2009, 03:34 PM

I have looked at this thread, I hate the fact that such a humanitarian like Mr. Collier should be attacked for trying to help people. I do not believe that Billy Meier would attack anybody, he is a recluse these days that likes his own personal space and I find it hard to believe that he would be upset as to what Mr. Collier is saying on the other side of the globe.

It is obvious that it is indeed the people that Billy has surrounded himself with, having said that, The extremely beautiful Miriam Delicado is right, people are starting to change, normal rational behavior is being vastly manipulated.

Somewhere something is being directed, and that is because WE the people of these forums and around the world are doing a good job, we ARE waking people up, and the powers that be that we don't ever want to see! do not like that.

LionHeart is dead on, I personally have intimate knowledge of the reptilian race, Make no mistake that I know why Miriam Delicado will not talk about this and there are few good people that could.

But I have decided to share as much information about this threat and opportunity, I have a book in production, that will be distributed freely. I also will not live to see 2011 so I have nothing to lose, and I also trust in the fact that I will not be harmed because of the price I have already paid to obtain this information.

There are some of us that were put in specific places to work for the good of the planet.

There are some of us that were put in specific events to work on the spirituality of our race.

And there are some that are place here to protect our race.

right now I am shrouded in darkness, and the light at the end of my tunnel is a train, I know this, but if I can help you avoid the same train then I can turn my light that is a revelation of horror into object of beauty and a tool that you can all use.

TheObserver

10-22-2009, 03:55 PM

:welcomeani: to the forum Kinsuemei2!

I also will not live to see 2011 :shocked:

Why do you feel certain of this?

Stargazer1965

10-22-2009, 04:16 PM

eleni

10-22-2009, 04:17 PM

Kinsu-
When you say you will not live to 2012- I take it you are ill? If so, I wish you health and healing.......

I am very interested in your information.

Kinsuemei2

10-22-2009, 05:38 PM

mntruthseeker

10-22-2009, 05:55 PM

I read your story which was posted on the end of the thread that was started by Visvassa144 and found it to be credible. Is your book available at this time?

I am sending you prayers to get your health back and know that you are the right road with the healing and nutrients.

Have you ever listened to Gregg Bradens Spontaneous Healing of Belief ?
I listened to it and I believe in it and will put here a link so that you can find it on you tube. Its about 4 to 5 hours long if I recall but I think you will enjoy it. You just have to lay back and listen

Good Luck with all you are doing and I pray you will be arond for many years to come..........

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_playlists&search_query=spontaneous+healing+of+belief&uni=1

If you

orthodoxymoron

10-22-2009, 08:37 PM

I just realized that I completely missed the health issues. I'm very sad for you and your family...Kinsuemei2. Try to find a good naturopathic doctor who can work with your situation. In the meantime...try lots of water, exercise, rest...and laughter(the best medicine). This will help to cleanse your system...and build up your immune system. And none of those things can hurt you.

Draco > Sirius > Earth. Is this correct? Is there a hidden core to Alex Collier's presentations which contains the real truth...especially if one reads between the lines...changes one or two things...and then engages in some conservative extrapolation? Take another look at all of the Collier material... combine it with Bill Cooper's material...and see what you come up with. It's time to take off the gloves. It's showtime. Conduit closing.

eleni

10-22-2009, 09:48 PM

K- I am deeply sorry- however many people have beaten cancer via diet and lifestyle change (me- I had a form of cancer traced to a bad tooth that needed work) and if you like I have numerous material I can share with you regarding healing cancer.

Orthodoxy- I think you might find this a worthwhile read:
http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

Karen

10-22-2009, 10:31 PM

orthodoxymoron

10-22-2009, 11:49 PM

Thank-you eleni. It looks interesting! I'll read this as soon as I finish reading about Savior Rockefeller! Just a thought...there may be some true turncoat insiders who appear like Zagami, and possibly Rockefeller...but they may be quite irratic and disoriented. They could be potentially damaging to both sides...sort of like an out of control car hitting parked cars on both sides of the road! I think we may be able to learn a lot from them...but perhaps we shouldn't trust them! They know way too much...and they are probably spiritual battlefields...to say the least! They're probably making everyone angry! I get the feeling that the Jesuits and Alphabet Agencies are very, very busy these days...

eleni

10-23-2009, 12:27 AM

From the above link I posted for Orthodoxy- Ortho- I both agree and believe what this Hidden Hand says- it's *very* familiar to me. I've also said all along that most of the *bloodliners* people would not know by name.

From the link- I though it would be of interest here:

ATS: Also do you know of Miriam Delicado? I just watched here interview on the project camelot site and it was very inspiring to me. So let me ask, are you one of the tall blondes that she speaks of.

HH: She is a beautiful Soul. I have not seen the interview of which you speak, but we know of her experiences. The 'tall blondes' of which you speak, are of Plejaren heritage. They are working with what is know as the Galactic Confederation of Planets. They serve the Positive vibration. Plejarens are from the constellation you call the Pleiades. It's actual name is the Plejares, hence 'Plejarens'.

And no, we are Lucifer, and nothing directly to do with the Plejarens, though they are indeed good friends of ours.

ATS: I have never seen a UFO or any of this spiritual stuff myself. I just know in my heart that it's there for me to find. What can I do if anything to get myself in the correct frequency to see these things and have these experiences. Any and all information you provide will be greatly appreciated.

HH: Simply believe, and know in your heart of their existence. Think about it. In all of this vast Creation, can you really believe that you are alone?

I will pre-warn you though, so as to avoid disappointment, you will only receive communication from them, if that is something you have already agreed together in your Soul Contract before coming here. Many here at this time (millions) have a part to play in the Great Awakening, and preparations for the Great Harvest. Many who do not believe now, will begin to open their minds, as the Earth changes that are coming begin to take effect. People will be terrified, and have no idea what is going on, because the governments have concealed this information from you. These 'Travelers' or what some have termed "Star-Seeds" are incarnated here to help on the ground level, when this all begins play out, over the next few years. When the time is right, they will come forward.

Most people are not ready to hear this information yet, but not so far off, they will be.

Many of these "Star Seeds" have not "awakened" yet themselves. The Confederation stands by ready to "help" them to do so, if it is necessary. For ones such as these who have yet to "awaken", they will have felt all their lives that they are somehow "different", and they have a deep sense that somehow, they "do not belong here". Many of them will also have many dreams and even visions, of their lives on their Home planets. Many of these "Star Seeds", are in fact Plejaren. That is why the 'tall blondes' keep 'showing up'. To help their Family awaken to their assignments here.

Ross H

10-23-2009, 01:15 AM

Yes, I get a sense of authenticity from Alex. Raise our vibration!!! love love love forever.

peace always:original:

Luminari

11-24-2009, 06:03 AM

What I am hearing is a general take that Billy and Alex is not the problem. It's Micheal Horn. I also concur on this. So in general I think we are in tune with what is occurring and for me that is refreshing to see and experience on a forum platform. Let me explain further.

Now if anyone has any psychic abilities, you would probably conclude the same thing. Micheal Horn is not what he appears to be. His goal is to discredit both Alex and Billy, even though he appears to be in Billy's camp. Billy has been pushed into a box and is being kept there against his will and at the same time he is protecting Plejaren information from getting into Micheal's hands. In this case Billy is keeping his enemies closer than his friends.

Wow I must have missed all the action on this thread.

Lionhawk I completely agree.

dolphin

11-24-2009, 07:10 AM

Hey I know I will not if you wish to read my story on first reptilian encounters I explain a little in that, but right now, I live in hotel with my family, I have no insurance and I have cancer of the colon that has spread to my lungs. and I do use herbal healing and spiritual healing and it does help me.

if you detox your body it can heal. i saw an interview by the wife of Gerson technique on www.consciousmedianetwork.com.
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/cgerson.htm

please see the interview as thousands have been cured of cancer by enrolling in the GERSON program of strict juicing and bowl cleansing. you don't have to give up.

Gerson Therapy

Charlotte Gerson is the daughter of famed naturalist physician Dr. Max Gerson.

Dr. Gerson was one of the first modern physicians to create a plan for healing the body through diet. From the 1920's through the 50's Dr. Gerson facilitated complete reversals of cancer and other life threatening diseases using a diet of fresh juices, a vegan diet and enemas to release toxins from the patient's liver. The result were thousands of cases of renewed health which were published in his book The Gerson Therapy: The Proven Nutritional Program for cancer and Other Illnesses.

Today, Charlotte carries on his work offering the Gerson nutritional healing program through their clinic in Mexico. In this interview we speak about the history of suppression of natural cancer treatments and the science of detoxifying the body and allowing it's own healing capabilities to do the rest.

To learn more about Charlotte and the Gerson Institute, go to: www.gerson.org

Luminari

11-24-2009, 07:24 AM

Kinsuemei2 this may help you;

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15317&highlight=lemongrass

Kindest regards and healing,

L

orthodoxymoron

11-24-2009, 09:18 AM

So...what is Alex doing and saying presently...besides speaking at 'Awake and Aware'? Maybe he should speak at a 'Sleeping and Stupid' conference! :lol3:

Karen

11-24-2009, 09:24 AM

So...what is Alex doing and saying presently...besides speaking at 'Awake and Aware'? Maybe he should speak at a 'Sleeping and Stupid' conference! :lol3:

If you go back to the first post - he is not speaking anywhere. He backed out of Awake and Aware, maybe because Michael Horn started trashing him again, and drove him off the speaking circuit.

Arcane Son

11-24-2009, 10:35 AM

If you go back to the first post - he is not speaking anywhere. He backed out of Awake and Aware, maybe because Michael Horn started trashing him again, and drove him off the speaking circuit.

If you are referring to the A&A in September in LA? You're incorrect Alex spoke at it. Just pointing it out is all.

You can watch it here:

YouTube- ALEX COLLIER at the Project Camelot Awake and Aware Conference, Los Angeles, Sept 2009

Ravens and Doves

11-24-2009, 10:44 AM

I agree..... Some of the evidence he portrays is man-made to try and generate "proof".
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There was once a TV show called "White Picket Fences" that had an episode where a bloke falls in love with a woman who was in town as part of a UFO conferance. He really went down the "want to believe" path as would not be unreasonable for one who is smitten.

He has his first sighting and is elated.

Then the bomb drops. The town police find a lazer device in her possesion that creates holographic fake craft images. His heart breaks to tears as the woman leaves. But she felt bad, too. She told him (basically), "My story is real. We just want people to believe us and I was desparate..."

I was ridiculed after my experience. It got to a point that I was ready to do ANYTHING to have other people experience a similar event.

I'm on the fence regarding Billy. Besides him snubbing Kerry and Bill, he's snubbed others who've spent a lot of money on air fare thinking they could talk to him. The least he could do is offer a cup of coffee and say, "Sorry, I'm retired from the interview scene..." or whatever. It's not like he's all that fame-hounded and chased by the paparazzi on motorcycles and all.

I got over the temptation to hoax (if you enlarge Billy's wedding cake and dingle ball sculpture, you'll see that the top disc is an aluminum pie pan... now who says there's no "pie in the sky?"). The silver spray paint worked wonders, but it left a mess. To his credit, though, Billy DID create perhaps the galaxy's one and only Low Rider flying saucer. A little fake leopard skin and Santana playing on the 8 track wouldn't have hurt.

If it wasn't for Avalon and Proj. Cam., I wouldn't feel as liberated as I do right now. The Jake Simpson interview confirmed so much of what I grew up with and experienced. My late father was an aquaintance of Manly P. Hall's and I'm sure crossed paths with Jake at some point.

Last night I was insulted by my brother who has lost his humanity and curiousity, like Jake warns. He and his wife are materialistic... the once hip, creative music producer who was my brother in the 70s has sold his soul to the dark, control side of "holly - wood." This morning, my 90 year old mother, on hearing about the insult told me that my father "was very involved with UFOs," and would be "very proud" of me and the chances I took. My father and my uncle took bolder chances as white hats in black hat infested classified projects.

There is a "lay line" or interdimensional highway (for lack of another term) that cuts across North Hollywood (and a major one through Topanga Canyon that can be read about in a book by Preston Dennet who dedicated the whole project - cover to cover - to about what flies over David Wilcock's patch of the forest). I was SO HAPPY to hear Mr. Simpson mention the discs that came out of the Griffith Park mountains.

My avatar to the left is, obviously, the Emmy Award statue. It's also a goddess holding up the global, electronic communications grid. If one draws a line from the Park to the big Emmy statue in North Hollywood..... and kept going north all the way to mid British Columbia (note: to this day, over 200 after the showdown, if a North American hears the pharse "the queen," in a political context, they think of Liz Windsor, not the lady in the white house. Jake brought up an important point... we are still under the Royalist spell of the wand with the world's largest diamond on it - which puts the rinky-dink, new age little quartz cyrstals to shame - but the real shame should no longer be ours. I had a brief meeting, by bizzarre "chance" with Her Majesty. I call it "The longest five minutes of my life" (it's true... and a little pitch for my book... if I could just get it printed). )

Back to the lay line... on it you will hit Trout Lake, cross a Yosemite/Area 51 spur line... and all sorts of active spots all the way to Miriamland in BC.

It's a cosmic highway.... a toll bridge on the tectonic Ring of Fire that can take it's toll on you if you're not careful. Jake is spot-on. There IS a battle for our souls going on. I've been accussed of being "dark" and I'd get defensive, but the truth is, I once played with fire and almost lost my sanity and my life. My lover was kidnapped, tortured and murdered after we challenged the dark side on it's turf. It was twenty five years ago that I had enough, but it took some industrial strength, spiritual back-engineering to re-seal something I never should have opened.

The electrical wave that hit Jake is very real. It can stop your heart and/or give you a stroke by flushing out your brain's nural electricity as it hits you. But along that same pathway, it can also physically and/or mentally heal you.
It all depends on the intention of whose hands it's eminating from.

The difficulty for us is, the entities gernerally look the same. But like Mirian said CHECK OUT THE EYES (but keep it just brief enough to learn the intention). I was at first very spooked by a Tall Blonde woman who nearly drilled a hole in me with her peepers - then vanished suddenly right beside me without saying a word. Years later, after a multiple witness event in the desert, she opened my kundalini and saved my life by helping see my own self-destructiveness and teaching me shielding from negetive entities that are trying to crash the party.

I need to take a break - I'll post this and come back - look for a Jake Simpson thread to hop on - or start one. I have one more thing to share (the Dawning archytype and something Kerry said).

Till then, like "Bones" would say to Dan Sherman,

End of comm, :sweatdrop:

Paul

Karen

11-24-2009, 12:18 PM

If you are referring to the A&A in September in LA? You're incorrect Alex spoke at it. Just pointing it out is all.

Oh you are so right - that is one where he was trashed for being sooooooo obese and wearing glasses and why don't his ET friends fix that for him.

orthodoxymoron

11-24-2009, 05:43 PM

Thank-you eleni. You provided the 'Hidden Hand' link awhile ago...and I was reading it last night. It was fascinating. I will read some more today. I don't necessarily have a problem with wealthy, intelligent, and well-connected people working behind the scenes to help make the world a better place. What concerns me is when I hear about rituals, sacrifces, satanism, financing both sides in manufactured wars, assassinations, terrorism, manufactured diseases, planned financial collapses, extermination events, destruction of the middle-class, scoffing at the stupid masses, owning Presidents, all manner of corruption, etc.

I'm trying to identify with non-corrupt elites by researching all manner of previously unavailable information...and trying to put myself in their shoes...as difficult as this may be. Perhaps the commoners need to rise a couple of notches...and the elites need to step down a couple of notches...so to speak. The general public needs to be better informed and more responsible. The elites need to abandon the satanism and corruption...and rejoin the human race. At some point...I hope that the public and elites will achieve a significant level of mutual understanding and appreciation. I don't expect one big happy family anytime soon...but hopefully progress can be made in that direction.

I like listening to Alex Collier because I feel as though I am being briefed by a non-corrupt elite regarding what is really going on. I probably believe 50% of what he says...but that 50% is quite significant to my understanding of what the elites have probably known about for centuries. Whatever the case may be...the next few years will probably be very, very interesting.

Luminari

11-25-2009, 12:00 PM

These were rockin' the Lounge earlier but will put them here too to keep them all within easy reach if anyone needs to find them.

Life is amazing huh? I thought I had seen and heard all the Alex Collier interviews.. then these two gems fall from the sky;

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Luminari

11-25-2009, 12:22 PM

Whoever is posting all these rare contactee videos like the Anna Hayes stuff and the above interview on youtube..

I Love You!

Keep up the great work.. more people like you is what this planet needs. :original:

orthodoxymoron

11-26-2009, 07:11 AM

I watched the 'Defending Sacred Ground' video...and while I liked it, and appreciated the information...I found myself becoming more upset than usual. Maybe I was just having a bad day. Or maybe my cumulative pseudo-research is hitting me like a ton of bricks. I really think this disclosure process creates more problems than solutions...but that it is absolutely essential...and that there is no better time than right now. We can't move on as a civilization until we face reality regarding who we really are, and what is really going on. Much thanks and gratitude for those who are sticking their necks out to inform us. I'm going to rewatch that lecture...and see how I fare the second time!

The disappearance or extinction of the founders appears to be deliberate. What the hell happened? Did the created murder the creator...and then proceed to play god? As I have said repeatedly...I see both evolution and intelligent design...but I don't see the creator interacting with this Solar System at this time. I'm seeing human/reptilian gods and theocracies. At this point...I'm leaning strongly toward the idea that we should have no gods whatsoever...but that we still need to be highly ethical and spiritual.

Night Light

11-26-2009, 10:35 AM

So- I was one of the audience members in attendence at awake and aware 09, and I am in the alex vid. I asked a question about guidance that the Andromedan's could offer as to a transition to an economic system that works for everyone.

The answer I got was a bit of a cop out in my opinion. He more or less asked what I felt about it and left it open ended. I didn't ask him or the Andromedans to do anything for us. I asked for insight as to a transition. After all, doesn't he say he is mentoring?

I am bringing this up here because I would like some Avalonian opinions...

Fredkc

11-26-2009, 06:59 PM

Ortho;
".I see both evolution and intelligent design...but I don't see the creator interacting with this Solar System at this time."

W e l l . . .

Maybe that is exactly what we have.

Or begin from an original point of reference.
Biblically;
"Who told you you were naked?"

Psychologically;
The moment of birth for the ego.

Now consider them as metaphors for what science calls the Big Bang.

Take the big bang as the direct effect of the notion of "separateness" from the creator (in whatever form you're accustomed to seeing it), or the beginning of duality.

It then follows that none of this, in it's entirety is any of the creator's doing. This is our illusion; and by "our" I mean any sentient being, corporeal or non that you'd care to name, imagine, acknowledge.

That "this" is a creation of the collective ego of the creator's creation. All of this is "Maya" the grand illusion/delusion. A "2nd order" attempt by the ego. That our only eternal existence is "beyond duality", and that any one or thing within this particular realm is in it and co-creating it.

This usually brings me to another point:
How could a perfect creator create imperfection?
The creator has no "lack". Nothing to achieve.

It follows then that God has no reason to "grow weeds just so he can pick them". That would presume that the creator has a goal.
God is.

What goal could extend beyond that?

Following on the notion of Kharma, that whenever the thing within us has been worked out, our eternal self learns to stop feeding the portion of our ego which attracts said things/people/situations and they naturally fall away. They fall away because they never existed as anything other than a creation of our ego.

Naturally the ego resists this process. Ego spends its time convincing us that this is the reality we seek. Rather, this is the illusion ego seeks to continually attract our attention/energy to support.

The only reality being that we stand before the creator, as the perfect creation. That being that creation is creation itself, full and complete.

Turn it around, we don't "require help" in order to create some better thing. Such help is as illusionary as the goal. What we've come to call growth is in fact a learning process where we learn to stop creating shadow.

We are, in fact, the creator's, and
God is.

Fredkc

11-26-2009, 07:08 PM

Geez!

And I was just gonna hang out a bit in the kaput-er room while the wife watched the Macy's parade. Shoulda known better, I guess...

Fred

orthodoxymoron

11-26-2009, 07:22 PM

Assuming that the Founder(s) were involved in the original creation (not just genetic upgrading or downgrading)...why do we assume perfection (whatever that is)? I'm thinking that this universe has been a big mess for a long, long time...and that at this point...the Divinity Within Humanity may be all that remains of the Founder(s). I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

I'm very nervous about 'mentoring' and about money being a 'belief system' which should not exist. We should mostly be left alone (other than being told the truth)...and money is an integral part of a free and open society. The problem is corruption. I'm also proud of my physicality...and I am unashamedly addicted to it. But physicality must be governed by a high level of ethics and spirituality. To me...Universal History is one of the most important subjects. Getting this straight is supremely important. I'm trying to digest the Anna Hayes and Alex Collier material...but I'm having a difficult time...and I don't have a clue as to whether this is the truth or whether it's just more BS. I am strangely attracted to Bill Cooper, Alex Collier, and Anna Hayes. I don't know why. I don't know if they're legit or not...but I want to try to really think through their material...and read between the lines. This is all uncharted territory for me...and contrary to a lot of what I was brought up with. It's sort of a mind-f!!!

Perhaps I'm naive and simplistic...but I'm trying to think in terms of Humans and Reptilians...rather than countless races. I'm thinking that there may be a large number of variations on the Human/Reptilian theme...but that these are the two major critters. 'Separate But Equal Under Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom' works for me. Who knows...tyranny and theocracy may have been necessary...but I think we need to move on. Perhaps Nibiru can assume a relatively circular obit beyond Pluto...provide Solar System Security (SSS)...and learn to be governed by Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom (NCRF). But what the hell do I know?

Luminari

11-30-2009, 04:53 PM

feeqa

01-27-2010, 03:17 AM

Night Light:
So- I was one of the audience members in attendence at awake and aware 09, and I am in the alex vid. I asked a question about guidance that the Andromedan's could offer as to a transition to an economic system that works for everyone.

The answer I got was a bit of a cop out in my opinion. He more or less asked what I felt about it and left it open ended. I didn't ask him or the Andromedans to do anything for us. I asked for insight as to a transition. After all, doesn't he say he is mentoring?

I am bringing this up here because I would like some Avalonian opinions...

good for you attending, it was a spectacular conference.

After what Alex has said about what the A's said to him regarding money, it's a strange question to ask him, as to what they would advise you to consider.
I've been saying what they said to Alex about money since i was old enough to understand i didn't have enough of it.

The question they ask is;
Why should you have to pay someone else to live?
Why do you have to pay to live on a planet your born on?
Do the animals pay humans to live on the planet?
(no smart-ass answers either, remember what the A's said about what reputation the Earthlings will get if the Wales dissapear from 3rd density)

Now, in answer to your specific question, as best i can, is what the A's have said to you is you should educate yourself regarding money and what it is or represents to you and the global community.

Money is a means of exchange of labour, between individuals sharing the same belief system that it (money) has intrinsic value. (the only thing of value is the labour of the people, without it nothing has value) (financially speaking)

If your money was real money, it would state on the note it was money, by having 5$ or 5£ or Euro's as the case may be. Alas what we are using as currency today, is not infact money. As is stated on the notes themselves.

In the UK, all the notes bear the caption b4 the numerical denomination, (IE £5, £10, £20 etc) I Promise To Pay The Bearer On Demand The Sum OF: and then the denomination.

In the United States, it declares each note: A Federal Reserve Note.

So those two National currency's have something in common. They are not money, and are in fact NOTES, 'Promissary Notes,' to be exacting.

To expand. They are promises to pay a debt. They are not in fact payment of a debt, IE when you buy a bottle of water, you give a Promissary Note, declaring to the retailer, that you promise to pay in the future, when you again have real money with which to pay. But until then your Nation is using Promissary Notes, until the Gold, which Government took away in 1930 is returned to the people, and again used to back the value of the currency, at which time the Notes in circulation will state they are Money and not, 'Promissary Notes' or 'Federal Reserve Notes,' presently circulating.

Now for some good news.

You know those Utility Bills that have a detachable section at the bottom? A place for your signiture and date, with the amount being paid for you to add the numbers to?

Well if you sign your name, date it, add the word VALUE, to it just before entering the numbers into the box, Ie 12.99, and send that part back to the company that sent it, that is the payment.

They have been deceiving the masses by not informing us of how our banking laws and money really work.

Whats happening up until now is that we have all been paying the Utility companies twice for the same bill. That detachable section is defined in law as a 'Cheque,' or 'Replevin Bond,' or a 'Financial Instrument.' It is money in and of itself. When you sign it, you give that 'Financial Instrument,' 'Valuable Consideration.' Now its also known in the UK as an 'Inchoate Instrument.' Its still a cheque. But an 'Inchoate Instrument' is a piece of paper which, the company that issued it, can fill out on your behalf and sign it as if you had signed it.

Now this is in fact what they do. When you don't use that Cheque or part of the Bill they provided you, to pay that bill with and instead you use a Direct Debit straight from your Bank Account or a Credit Cardit, because obviously, they are in-too getting, 'double bubble,' every time.
They do not like it when you send it in as the payment, because now they only get 1 payment for the value of their service, and can no longer profiteer off of you.

What they do to collect the money on that paper, is they deposit it in bundles of 10-30'000 other cheques, into a financial clearing house, or a Commercial Bank, such as EuroClear, and when you do not claim that money, they claim it under International Salvage Laws, as what is called "Abandond Funds."

And that is how they get away with stealing your 'credit.' They use your ignorance of the Laws of Banking and Civil Laws to make a monkey out of you, and the rest of us for that matter.

In the states there is a law called House Joint Resolution 192.
When they took away the means of effecting a payment in exchange of a debt, IE you buy the bottle of water, they had to replace it and give you the means to pay with something. That something is HJR192.

What you can pay with is your signiture on pieces of paper. Yes you read that right. Your signiture creates 'Valuable Credit,' which any retailer can take to the 'Federal Reserve Window' and get their account zero'd.

That is why they company prints the 'detachable check' to the bottom of their bills. Its the LAW. If they did not do this it would be an 'Automatic Dishonor' of the Bankruptcy the United States CORPORATION is in. (U.S. is in a state of Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, 1930's ish.)

Now, as you can see, there is much to this topic, I'm not even scratching the surface. Im mot an expert, only a clueless student just like you.

So copy and paste into google, cos its all on video. the following names. (Links added in edit, but the hyper-linking function in this board is diabolical, you'll still have to copy and paste into your browser)

Winston Shrout
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pByZmACuIAk&feature=related
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pByZmACuIAk&feature=related[/URL]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5l_oqqkADw (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5l_oqqkADw)

Marc Stevens
http://http://www.marcstevens.net/

Robert Auther Maynard
http://http://www.thinkfree.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=59

Tpuc.Org
http://http://www.tpuc.org/

Free the Planet .Net
http://http://freetheplanet.net/

Thinkfree.ca
http://http://thinkfreeforums.org/index.php

Mark McMurtrie
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCy2uYi1xZc

Vic Beck
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQFRKIf2kFs

Don''t try this until after at least 1 yr study. Maybe slighlty earlier if you a genius.

Hope this illuminates the A's answer to you through alex's reply.

There's another thread on this topic with tons of links.
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19454

cloud9

01-27-2010, 03:52 AM

I've read several times about how we can avoid the payments but so far I haven't read any story of somebody who actually did it and it worked. Any insights?

ellie

01-27-2010, 03:53 AM

Look, I could be way off here guys, but I have always thought a lot of Alex Collier, just have and that's it. Saw a bit of that Anna Hayes vid and wasn't so overly impressed, but hey that's just me.

orthodoxymoron

01-27-2010, 04:30 AM

Regarding money...in the U.S. anyway:

1. Nationalize the Federal Reserve.
2. Issue a Silver Backed Currency.
3. Abolish the IRS and Tax Forms.
4. Institute a 5% National Consumption Tax.
5. Pay cash for nearly everything. (Governmental and Personal)
6. Get out of debt...and stay out of debt. (Governmental and Personal)
7. Quadruple the size and authority of the General Accountability Office. (GAO)
8. Quadruple the size and authority of the Securities and Exchange Commission. (SEC)
9. Close half of the least strategic foreign military bases.
10. Get out of war...and stay out of war.
11. Teach Responsibility from K through Grad School.
12. Dramatically reduce the size of the Federal Government.
13. Eliminate Fractional Reserve Banking.

Otherwise...I'm easy. Money and Work are good things. Corruption is the problem.

:original:Namaste:original:

mntruthseeker

01-27-2010, 04:40 AM

Look, I could be way off here guys, but I have always thought a lot of Alex Collier, just have and that's it. Saw a bit of that Anna Hayes vid and wasn't so overly impressed, but hey that's just me.

If not for Alex Collier, I would not have ever gotten involved with Anna Hayes

If it was on one of his video's that got me to look her up and I have read quite a bit of Alex's work on line and now tons of Anna's work. She is absolutely full of knowledge. It follows right along Alex's stories also.

I'm impressed with both of them

Luminari

01-27-2010, 05:47 AM

Repaired all the video links in post #51 & #58 :thumb_yello:

Fredkc

01-27-2010, 04:44 PM

You know those Utility Bills that have a detachable section at the bottom? A place for your signiture and date, with the amount being paid for you to add the numbers to?

Well if you sign your name, date it, add the word VALUE, to it just before entering the numbers into the box, Ie 12.99, and send that part back to the company that sent it, that is the payment.

Feega, or anyone else;

Do you have, or can you provide a picture of a utility bill of this type?

hard-headed Fred

Steven

02-05-2010, 01:12 PM

I don't see this link provided in the thread, so here it is:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/lfa/lfa.html

It's Alex Collier's own website where he share his notes on his dialogue with the andomedans. Very informative and it does make sens. Not complicated and twisted complex with words we use once a decade, it is accessible and intentionally transcript for a clear understanding.

Namaste, Steven

Carol

02-06-2010, 06:42 AM

I found this info awhile back and spoke with Alex last month while he was here for the Earth Transformation Conference.

Enjoy

As we know Alex Collier claims to be a 'contactee' with a race of Nordic looking humans from the constellation of Andromeda. He has had a number of contact experiences since his childhood and this developed over the years as he was given more and more information by his Andromedan contacts.

Alex has also revealed that he was the recipient of threats from shadow government agencies and abruptly chose to stop disseminating his information in 2000. Furthermore, Alex has give face-to-face interviews with veteran UFO researcher Paola Harris who has had the opportunity to examine the evidence supporting his testimony and concludes he is credible.

One can learn about Alex is his own writing in terms of his book, Defending Sacred Ground, and his discontinued journal "Letters From Andromeda". These can be accessed from the following links:

1 Defending Sacred Ground
2 "Letters from Andromeda"
3 Typology of extraterrestrial races based on Alex's writing
4 Version of Galactic History based on Alex's writing
5 Witness testimony supporting Alex Collier's legitimacy as a contactee

In his interview Alex talked about his contacts with 'benevolent' extraterrestrials from the constellation of Andromeda, and the efforts by these extraterrestrials and others to assist humanity resolve its many problems. This interview was done fairly early in Alex's public career.

Video Interview:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/andromedacom_12.htm

Website: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_andromedacom.htm#menu

Moon and Mars Lecture videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/robsnobb

Paola Harris/Alex Collier Transcript:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/esp_andromedacom_8.htm

Book/Transcript: Defending Sacred Ground, The Andromedan compendium
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/esp_andromedacom_0.htm

orthodoxymoron

02-07-2010, 03:14 PM

Thank-you Carol. Alex Collier remains at the top of my list of favorites.

This may not necessarily apply to Alex...but I suspect composite work...where research, channeling, remote-viewing, insider-information, soul-searching, etc...is presented in a contactee or abductee format. I don't necessarily object to this approach...but hopefully presenters can be honest...and hopefully listeners can be just as attentive with the knowledge that a spaceship experience is a fictional formulation. I'm a big fan of science fiction which approximates possible and probable realities...rather than totally off the wall science fiction. My New Theology is Christocentric Egyptological Science Fiction. I would like to see Stargate SG-1 taken to the next level...in this direction...with a much larger production budget. A long time ago...I spoke with someone close to Steven Spielberg regarding doing a proper Life of Christ movie...which would be completely accurate...and which would incorporate the latest special effects. A director who was the son of a famous actor just stared politely as I made a similar plea. This was Pre Mel Gibson. Obviously this didn't happen. Nothing ever happens.

Here are the missing links:

1. Defending Sacred Ground http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/esp_andromedacom_0.htm

2. Letters From Andromeda http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/lfa/lfa.html

3. Typology of Extraterrestrial Races Based On Alex's Writing http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_galacticdiplomacy_02.htm

4. Version of Galactic History Based On Alex's Writing http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_galacticdiplomacy_11.htm

5. Witness Testimony Regarding the Legitimacy of Alex as a Contactee http://galacticdiplomacy.com/Contactees-Collier-Robinson.htm

:original:Namaste:original: