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tone3jaguar

08-07-2009, 01:56 PM

I am just opening up this thread so that people watching the new Steven Greer interview can comment on their views of it. There will no doubt be some polarization of opinions on this particular interview and I encourage that in this discussion.

YouTube - Project Camelot interviews Dr Steven Greer

I will go first. I understand that there are apposing philisophical views between Kerry and Dr. Greer. These are completely logical points of view and I respect both of them. No one of us (unless you are an ET reading this) can say with out a doubt one way or the other which one of these views is accurate. My personal opinion is that they are both right and that there is more than one truth.

The only other thing I have to say about this interview is that there is a lack of professionalism coming from Kerry's side as far as cutting Steven off in the middle of a thought and running him over with her take on things. I had to stop watching the video when I was about 3/4 the way through it because it morphed from a good discussion about perspectives on these subjects into a pissing contest where drama started overriding the message of both of them.

The excuse that "This is my interview style" is fine for Kerry and she is completely entitled to that stance on her paradigm of interviewing. However, she needs to be aware that the listeners to this interview (especially those new to camelot interviews) may get turned off by the lack of professionalism. Moreover, there may be potential interviewees that might shy away from a Camelot interview to avoid this type of scenario.

Not trying to be negative about Kerry in general. Kerry is obviously a great person and means well. Please do not come in with a post that is an attack saying that I am defaming everthing she has ever done like others have posted up in my other threads. Thank you.

Luminari

08-07-2009, 02:24 PM

Spiralmind

08-07-2009, 02:31 PM

I found the interview to be embarrassing to watch at times. It would have been nice to hear Dr. Greer's testimony, but due to constant interruptions and harping on one subject for most of the hour, it only resulted in missed opportunities imo.

This was an interview of Kerry Cassidy instead of an interview of Steven Greer.

Please don't misunderstand me, I believe in Project Camelot and what it is trying to accomplish and what it has already achieved.

I guess not every interview will be a smashing success.

Seashore

08-07-2009, 03:05 PM

viking

08-07-2009, 03:08 PM

tone3jaguar

08-07-2009, 03:45 PM

I thought that it was a good interview.

I think that Steven Greer got his point across. And Camelot got their point across.

I love the story that Steven told at the end. I think the dream was a perfect metaphor.

Yes, this is true for the 75% of it that I watched. However, the same thing could have been accomplished with people taking turns voicing their opinion instead of being impatient and having to own the conversation. There was a little of this from Greer as well. However, this was only a defensive response to mirror what Kerry was already doing.

I started having a hard time listening to it after about the first 5 times she cut him off in the middle of answering a question that she asked. Then when he said something like "I am being interviewed here and you are running me over while I am trying to get my point across" her response was "Well, you must not be framiliar with our style of interviewing."

From my personal experience in just dealing with people on a daily basis my opinion is that cutting people off in the middle of explaining answers to questions is not an interview style. It is a bad habbit. I have worked with people in the business environment that had this habbit and it is very, very difficult to tolerate. Then when ever you do the same thing back they get defensive and act victimized.

williamfmartin@gmail.com

08-07-2009, 03:48 PM

I thought DR greeR SPOKE very well...
I think Kerry is losing it.......
Tooo bad...........

Northern Boy

08-07-2009, 03:49 PM

I agree.

Was totally shocked how bad the interview was from Project Camelot's side unfortunately.

Why interview someone and then talk over the top of them everytime they try to answer their questions, and just to say something unrelated and vague?

Excellent communication from Steven Greer, under very difficult conditions.

Best of luck with everything people...

Choose wisely,

Universally Yours

L
I have watched or tried to watch most of these interviews brought out and I have yet to get thru one before getting frustrated with Kerry`s interview technics and just shutting it off. The talking over and the constant change of direction during the interviews I`ve seen leads me to believe they should hire someone to Interview Like Rick Keefe .

Maybe take notes and at the end of the interview go back and discuss those points you wish to make known . There is no need to interject and change the focus of what`s being discussed and then the topic is just left hanging unfinished . It can be really aggravating .
T3J
"Well, you must not be framiliar with our style of interviewing."

That is not interviewing it is trying to impose your will on some one

cosmictexan

08-07-2009, 03:57 PM

After watching the video I have a new respect for Dr. Greer. I wasn't so sure about him after reading the blog a week ago but I understand where he is coming from now. He is a cautious man with a cautious stance unlike Camelot, which it should be. Project Camelot is trying to present many ideas from many angles and Dr. Greer is coming from one point of view, his point of view. I think if you really listen you will find that they have the same point of view. He is coming from a positive point of view and a hopeful view and knows that there may be a negative side but if the human race keeps up with the negative then we are going no where, literally no where in the galaxy, until we give up our war menatlity. I think Kerry was looking at this interview more in the way of a futuretalk and not a straight interview. I think Dr. Greer is use to being interviewed, which means he does most of the talking. I think he is right about the negative way the media is portraying the whole ET situation. Look at all the new movies coming out this fall, they are all about fighting aliens. One that I saw recently advertised was call District 9which looks really scary. In all I thought it was good and I wasn't embarassed by Kerry, she was doing what she does, make people discuss a topic instead of just spewing facts and figures. If anyone out there is good with body language I think it would say a lot.

JesterTerrestrial

08-07-2009, 04:11 PM

That was an interview? Where is the disclosure?

Maybe you should get me a plane ticket and put me in front of the camera!

Hey northen boy...fire up that web cam pack some snacks and get your revolution boots!!! Were going to OTT A WA! I heard that Jean Chretien was contacted in the east coast of canada when he was the leader of the pack and told to disclose the truth but he did nothing and I know that Paul Hellyer has spoken about the fact he suggested harper tell the truth... still nothing but lies and b.s.

Seriosuly...Bill and Kerry keep up the good work! But please do consider evolving your interview style to include some specific questions and to keep up with the changing levels of consciousness. I am sure it can not be easy to do what you do and the same goes for Steven Greer. If you got something to say about truth and disclosure...say it already!

I have posted this before but I will share again because i just like it so much.

I don't believe anything until I know everything all at once right now.
WHO WHAT WHERE WHEN WHY HOW

Jaan

08-07-2009, 04:31 PM

I just finished watching it and imo, both sides were at fault.

I do however believe in what Kerry tried to do.

I feel Greer believes he is in the position of making decisions for us - just like all governments have done up to now! It seems that he believes that if we think some ET's might not have our interest at heart, that we would grab our guns and start shooting!

I thought that's why we are all here - to learn the real truth and equip ourselves mentally and spiritually for whatever awaits us.

Please, Steven Greer! Let us make our own decisions! It is not disclosure if you disclose selectively!

THEWATCHER

08-07-2009, 04:39 PM

I will watch this interview shortly and comment then. I have a vested interest here, I am one of Steven Greer's Witnesses, plus I brought to his attention the PLF situation. Kerry has her own lets say 'unique' interview method, perhaps whenever Camelot have the time for an interview with me I will see first hand the Camelot style.:original:
Barry

Flashback

08-07-2009, 04:49 PM

I'm a paying member of PC and from what I have seen from this interview - im deeply saddened.

Kerry and Bill - thank you for bringing all the info you have to me and others, but from my heart I think you were not very respectful to Dr Greer.

There maybe somethings we all don't know that was said off-camera but please dont show disrespect.

I thought Kerry in particular tried too many times to talk over Dr Greer and it wasnt pleasant to watch.

(after a couple of hours from watching it, I now feel a little harsh above. Apologies, its not for me to say until we hear from Kerry or Bill, if they want to comment)

Keep up the good work PC.

Jnana

08-07-2009, 05:28 PM

This started out as an interview but turned into a debate. I think if Kerry wants to present her view of things, she should do that when she is being interviewed. Otherwise, I would prefer to see insightful questions, even challenging questions, that get to the root of the point of view being presented. The danger of taking an advocacy position as interviewers, as others have pointed out, is that it may convince other potential interviewees that they will not get a fair hearing. Few are as confident as Dr. Greer about putting themselves in a position like that. There is a danger that the truth will be buried under a preconceived point of view and only interviewees who agree with that point of view will speak up. I think there was a lot of vehement agreement going on while refusing to listen long enough to get the gist of the nuanced arguments being presented on both sides. The debate needed a proper referee. Nonetheless, I think many will find it informative and it was a worthwhile exercise.

Northern Boy

08-07-2009, 05:39 PM

Jaan
I feel Greer believes he is in the position of making decisions for us - just like all governments have done up to now! It seems that he believes that if we think some ET's might not have our interest at heart, that we would grab our guns and start shooting!

He seems to know far more than either Bill or Kerry does about these topics. The Catholic faith would be in uproar if they knew they were lied to . The biggest problem is that the lie has been perpetuated for to long and know they don`t know how to get our of it without coming out of it with egg on their faces. Let alone that they entered into agreements with these groups with out the public`s knowledge or consent .

Lets face it if they ,the visitors wanted the earth why wait 60 years to get it when they had superior knowledge weapons and who else knows what. They could have taken it and there would have been nothing we could have done about it.

You must remember nothing is going to be disclosed to us by the government , they don`t like it when the dirty laundry is aired in public if they were to disclose then the so called plan of an alien invasion would be out the window . They need to keep that cat in the bag for later We will learn about it when they (ET`s) decide and not before
Jaan
Please, Steven Greer! Let us make our own decisions! It is not disclosure if you disclose selectively!

How would you go about disclosing the presence then? If you just throw it out there what happens everything will unravel . You want the government to do it .... and then trust what they are going to say after 60 years of lies, It has to be some one independent , Unconnected or the visitors them selves that do it . So now where do the guns come in from the sheeple who were constantly lied to thinking of an invading force , ie: Reagan and his star wars plan .

I`m surprised Greer sat there thru all this **** he doesn`t need this I commend him for putting up with it If It had of been me I would have walked away . Needless to say they can cross his name off any future interviews. I would expect him to decline

5thDensity

08-07-2009, 05:42 PM

If, for Dr Greer ther is no evidence for ET invasion, than its strange for me. Hes way is, probably, becouse there is no open war in the skyes ( like F-16`s chasing beem-ship:mfr_lol:). Open ET invasion is such obvious thing, where you know who the enemy is, who to fight. Better thing is, to clone all presidents and leaders, propagate "democracy" with controlled two party system, so population has illusion of voting choice and freedom. Thats perfect picture of perfect prison, when prisoner has no idea, he is a prisoner, so he never rebell. Thats what we have in this world now, in my opinion. Not a nice place to live in. What if we have been peacefull race, and all negative things on earth were ET influences, Dr Greer? You dont know what kind of ivasion "bad" ET`s prefer:mfr_lol:They are maybe melevelent but they may have no barbaric style! Instead storming the castle with hatchets, they like to leave trojan horse at the gates:mf_popeanim: Thanks.
I dont think camelot will get Dr Greer on again. It wasnt interview, it was "a grilling of a poor Steven by Kerry from camelot"

franciejones

08-07-2009, 05:46 PM

Very sad. It was embarrassing atleast and an attack at worst.

burgundia

08-07-2009, 06:01 PM

it was a, sometimes heated, discussion. They all have had similar and different experiences. greer handled it very well, calm, relaxed. There will always be differences as people perceive things differently, depending where they are in their search for truth. it was good to hear everything that was said. i didn't like kerry's hand in action ( it was like invading greer's private space). i like Greer's positive attitude and being "cautiously optimistic".
I am not going to make a mountain out of a molehole when judging( I don't like that word) the behaviour of both parties. Thank you for posting it.

tone3jaguar

08-07-2009, 06:06 PM

My perspective on their apposing paradigms is this...

Dr. Greer has evolved into an archetypal planetary figure head. He may not be involved in actual main stream politics as usual line in D.C. However, politics is just a synonym for perceptions. Greer is in a much higher state of global planetary observation than Kerry is. He holds some extreme responsibility towards what direction people decide to head in if and when they find out ET's are real.

Being aware of this, he is doing his best to do the responsible thing and get people off of the Independence Day / War of the Worlds mentality and shift them over to the Shaking hands welcoming helping races. He knows that weather or not there are negative ET's, is not what is important when it comes to shifting the consciousness of the planet.

He said in the interview that the entire universe is evolving towards new states of consciousness. I can only assume that he is gleaming this from the same place I am which would be the Mayan Myths about the Universal Evolution. This evolution includes the negative ET's. Even if they are negaitve right now, they may not be in another year. Just like even though our power structure is negative right now then it may not be in the near future.

Where as Kerry is still forming and evolving her paradigm about what all of this information means and may be trailing behind Steven as far as being aware of the perception and tendencies of the public. She is right that there are negative ET's and that there is the possibility that consciously inviting all ET's into your experience could potentially be dangerous to the individual doing the inviting. However, in my opinion she is allowing her fear for what could happen to people over ride her knowledge that we all attract what we are.

Steven was trying to say without spelling it out that if the planet is peacefull then we will attract what we are which is peaceful races. And that if we are attracting negative races right now it is because many of the people on the planet are just a negative as these bad ET's are. It seems as though Steven has seen the way he wishes for it to turn out in the end and has formulated a plan that he thinks is best towards achieving that goal.

I do not think what he is doing is reckless in the least. You will only attract things into your live that are at similar polarities that you are. If you have a battle mentality (like I sometimes do) then every once and while you will attract the thought forms of some negative ET's into your experience. If you have a peaceful mentality where you are aware of what is going on, but you do not wish to make it into a battle then you more than likely will not attract negative ET's.

There are exceptions to everything. I am not saying that any of these conclusions I am reaching are definitive truth on these matters. This is just my current perception of them. Ask me again in 2 months and I will probably be standing in a different place on these matters. Allowing your paradigm and consciousness to shift at the same rate that the planet and the universe are shifting at is the key to making it though all of this safely. If you learned something and integrated it into you paradigm a month ago and now are faced with apposing information that violates and over powers the old info, you should allow your paradigm to shift and the egos desire to be right should be temporarily set aside.

Jaan

08-07-2009, 06:19 PM

Hi Northern
Thanks for responding! I understand your point, but it creates a gray area of disclosure.

Anything he, or anyone claiming to disclose, may hide information THEY deem as improper at the time. Do you feel comfortable with the fact that somebody else decides what you should or shouldn't know?

I don't.

But I see "the interview" as symbolic of what is happening at the moment. Different opinions stir everyone's emotions, especially at critical times like this.

I just hope that this will blow over soon and we can all focus again on what really matters. So what if they rubbed each other the wrong way? As long as we all stay true to the real issues.

:winksmiley02:

TruthWillSetUFree

08-07-2009, 07:04 PM

tone3jaguar

08-07-2009, 07:33 PM

I like the way Kerry gets in there and asks the difficult questions. She is pushing the envelop which will help bring in the new paradigm.

I don't feel she is coming from disrespect, but from her intention to get the Truth for herself and all of us. Bill was also on the same page as Kerry and no one brought this up.

Maybe her 'way' is unpopular only because we are so programmed to shake our heads yes, agreeing with someone instead of being straight and speaking ones' truth, this is what we came here for, especially now. She was only forcing Dr Greer to take responsibility for his words, why not, we all need to be responsible for what we are putting out in the world, especially those in the public eye making money off the 'information' they are selling.

We should have more of these rousing debates.
Maybe that's what people are objecting to it being a biased interview by Kerry, instead of calling it an 'interview' we should call it a discussion or a debate.

Bravo Kerry for having the balls to ask the hard questions and putting it all on the line instead of shrinking away from getting the Truth.

Have an extraordinary and Truthful day!

<Truth>

I do not disagree with this, this is probably exactly how Kerry feels about it also. However, public opinion is probably not going to swing in this type of direction because the public (non-esoteric people) want to see high production value and professionalism on the part of the interviewer is part of that. Perception is 99% of everything. If the goal is to wake more people up then you need to play towards the expectation of the brain washed public to some degree with a healthy balance towards pushing against those expectations.

I know better than to jump to the conclusion that Kerry is to wrapped up in being right to have good judgement. I know better because I have been watching the Camelot Interviews for a while now. On the other hand, if the Greer interview was the first ever Project Camelot video I had ever seen, the perception I form would probably be the opposite. I would probably never visit the Cameot home page and miss out on all of the other good info. This is the possible side effect of the increasing intensity of Kerry's communication habbits.

tone3jaguar

08-07-2009, 07:35 PM

To quote Richard Hoagland's response to Kerry's communication style

"Lets get back on the logic train here"

franciejones

08-07-2009, 07:46 PM

pineal-pilot-in merkabah

08-07-2009, 07:52 PM

i think it was good, both sides are known to be quite forceful in their opinions. ive never really heard much from mr greer , i like him. kerry's faceial expression at some points in the interveiw/ argument (lol) toward the camera was a bit disrespectful. i agree also with the concept that say you can have good greys. its like saying all humans are bad. it cant be so. both had valid arguments.

very entertaining tho. i agree with greer that these scientist and insiders on projects are perhaps even more programmed than outsiders. 4 years oxygen and 12 months food sounds like , as hoagland would say'the lie is different at every level'. making blanket statements that all et's are good or any other statement is best left to ones own personal life.

Steve_A

08-07-2009, 07:52 PM

Hi tone3jaguar,

It appears that the main difference between the two is that one states that they have no reason to beleive that there are malevolent ETs and the other seems to beleive that they are not in a position to have total faith in the same belief.

Not taking anything away from the content of the discussion, merely looking at the interaction and contrasts between the two, I thought Kerry thought she had to put her opinion out there, in spite of the fact that it seemed primitive in relation to Greers. It was almost like that Kerry was one step behind in the thinking of the ET question.

Unfortunately she stood on the ball once or twice by saying the "Of course you would know all about....." and he did, arguably more than she did. We can't forget that, like him or not, he has been in this game for at least 18 years and Camelot has been around, according to Kerry for only three.

I personally would have taken the opportunity to discover exactly why Greer thinks like he does and try and get myself on one of those ET contact groups that he does to find out with a level head if he is speaking some sort of tangible truth.

He is correct by saying that you can't prove a negative and the onus was on Kerry to prove that there are malevolent ETs.

I hope both sides exchange the information they have and use the meeting in a positive way.

I thought, for the viewer, in spite of talk overs, the meeting was interesting, if not in ET information, at least an insight as to what makes each one of the three tick.

Best regards,

Steve

I am just opening up this thread so that people watching the new Steven Greer interview can comment on their views of it. There will no doubt be some polarization of opinions on this particular interview and I encourage that in this discussion.

tone3jaguar

08-07-2009, 08:02 PM

I bring this up because Kerry asked Steven Greer about the intel she got from Pete Peterson. Almost none of us have seen the Pete Peterson Interview yet. He probably has some good interesting things to say. However, the idea of oxygen running out is outside of the realm of possibility. The more C02 in the air, the faster plants grow. They can consume up to 3x the level of C02 in the normal atmosphere and it causes them to grow 3x as fast. The faster plants grow the more oxygen they produce. It may get hot, but oxygen production will increase as it does.

lawlessline

08-07-2009, 08:48 PM

Totally agree with the truth to come out of the interview with interviewee let personal beliefs get in the way of letting the info to come out natural and let the public to make up their mind. Is that not a form of control of the infomation?

Not to blow my own trumpet, but this is what I reoplied to on Galactic Contactee 04.09

All contact and intervention by outside forces or agendas are strictly forbidden on this planet at this time and for many thousand of years. Thie only exception is in the interest of the planetary eco system. This in no way means that there should be interaction with the human species until the DNA is cleared and the human race evolves through their own passage on their own grounds, or planet. I am very disappointed through the continueing contact of humans, after the inter galatic agreement was met many a moon ago.

This is not to say that the human, once evolved can jourey out to meet these other species, but there must not be any intervention of any kind in the evolution and evolving of the human mind. Therefore contact from the human being is limited by this and the questions should only be answered about the other species, not about the evolution of the human species.

I hope that sounds clear? If not contact me and I will try and explain it better.

I wish not too offend but this is such an important point, that if not aheared tothen evolution or ascention will never take place. Don't ruin it for everone and break you contact or make sure that your contact is not just an iffectious one.

With much due respect,
LL

But lets make up our own mind?

_______________

pineal-pilot-in merkabah

08-07-2009, 08:51 PM

its like whistleblowers are not subject to disinfo and mind control.. i take all camelots interviews witha pinch of salt. john lears interveiw for example highly entertaining and a bit of fun. you cant take anything you see as dead serious or gospel. you must discern for yourself. i do think kerry should let him have his say, after all he is the one being interveiwed.

your interveiwing to get an opinion not to battle it out, entertaining tho that is..

the more i think about it the more i like greer. i think they are both on the same page but coming at it from differetn angles

lawlessline

08-07-2009, 08:57 PM

Still watching and it gets bizarer by the minute. The problems that the intergalactic community all agree that agendas serve nothing when you live together. Good bad doesn't exist. Let go They don't have agendas.

pineal-pilot-in merkabah

08-07-2009, 09:08 PM

kerry needs to have a :smoke: lol

Moxie

08-07-2009, 09:17 PM

"This planet is in quarantine"... That's what stuck with me. Very believable, that! Dr. Greer knows way much more than he shared
and, he was able to cause me to See his big picture, his perspective, made complete sense to me, in fact inarguably good sense, the only option really, to clean up our side of the street unless it's a permanent negative infection/sentence (ye-gads but that wouldn't surprise me either).

To me, it's an implication that there IS a governing body that determines who is fit for interstellar travel. Wow, justice exists?

Dr Greer agreed to an interview and not a debate. If the debate premise had been on the table, he probably would not have agreed to appear.

I thought his message was a positive one, but it seems our hosts can't fathom the reality that we all need a spanking.

Phtha

08-07-2009, 09:31 PM

I thought this interview was great and I think people need to cut Kerry some slack here, there is nothing wrong with being passionate about something!

Kerry was very worried about Stevens intentions, and she does have a good point, and that is that there is a real danger in saying all ET's are friendly when they may not be, as Bill brought up in that interview, that is what happened when the Spaniards invaded the Aztecs or Mayans.

However I think Kerry has misinterpreted Steven Greer's intentions a little and therefore jumped the gun on the issue, which is fine she is human like the rest of us. We have to remember Steven has been doing this for a long time and as a result he has had much more time to think things through then probably nearly all of us here, including Bill and Kerry. I found him to be very wise in his outlook and I had to agree with him on some of his key points, as they mirror what I have been thinking, those being:

Most so called ET's and abductions are human origin.
Most so called ET technology are human origin.
We need to worry about human bellicosity before we worry about negative ET's, because I believe if there are negative ET's they are being attracted here by our negative thought patterns.

I also believe that there is a quarantine set up around earth, as it has been talked about in ancient texts, as well as newer channelled ones such as the RA Mterials. This would explain the reason why we have not gone back to the moon or further out for one thing.

At the end of the day I feel that there is so many amazing things going on here, that it is futile to even bother worrying about the bad side, all thoughts are creative as they say, and the future I see is one filled with joy.

Thanks Camelot, Bill and Kerry, for another great interview!

pineal-pilot-in merkabah

08-07-2009, 09:34 PM

Very sad. It was embarrassing atleast and an attack at worst.

i think that this is what the main stream veiwers of this interview will think:zip::zip:

THEWATCHER

08-07-2009, 10:43 PM

Still not had a chance to view the video but judging by comments here thus far i am concerned. Bill, Kerry and many here at Camelot/Avalon need a wake up call. Too many of their 'whistleblowers' interviews tend to compliment each other and stick to the same script, someone comes along with a different script its seen in a negative light. I think a few cages need rattling, I might just start the rattling myself.

Barry

Carmen

08-07-2009, 10:51 PM

I havent watched all of the interview but enough to comment that Steven Greer is genuine and is talking sense. I glean from this interview that this man has a great deal of knowledge gained over some considerable time. It makes absolute sense to me that we do not make it out of our biosphere until and unless we have expanded in consciousness to a peaceful, wise level. We have to qualify ourselves by ourselves and for ourselves. We are absolutely responsible for our own evolution on a personal level and as a species on a cosmic level.

Love and Light

Carmen

Acotco8

08-07-2009, 11:31 PM

Although I have gained a new respect for Steven Greer, it is not for his interviewing skills, but his stances and work in this field. From the get go, I felt like Mr. Greer had a chip on his shoulder and was very over bearing and defensive. Watch his facial expressions when Kerry was speaking. He simply just met his match in Ms. Cassidy, who in my opinion was only trying to co-lead the interview. Both of their view points are very well-informed in my opinion. It just seems like one of the things that Mr. Greer is standing for is tolerance and peace of each other here on Earth. But he just did not seem to practice his preaching in this interview. That said, I enjoyed it and I love Kerry Cassidy's forwardness and style. And I love Bill Ryan's gentle approach. It is a perfect team. If it were any different it would be too fake, in my opinion. Love to all.
Tiffany C.

Unified Serenity

08-07-2009, 11:35 PM

I am dissapointed with the way Kerry tried to force her opinion on Greer...

I am sorry Kerry but yoiu know how I value what you have done in exposing lots of truths to the public. However you are wrong on this occasion. If the ET's wanted to be hostile in any way shape or form we would have been fried by now!!!

Greer is absolutely right...OUR TICKET TO THE STARS IS PEACE!!!! PERIOD

viking

I disagree regarding "we would have been fried by now". What if we are viewed as a food source via our energy fields and/or bodies? Now, I do not know for sure regarding ET's but I do know for a fact that there are entities and regular humans who feed off of others energy / prana. It's yummy and has a sexual energy to it compared to drawing from universal energy fields. You can shield yourselves from energy suckers, but it takes great awareness to know that is indeed what is happening and NOT feed them. They love anger, hate, terror, fear, lust, greed, or more directly lower vibrational energy. They abhor high vibrational energy that is pure love and oneness.

So, why would an ET destroy us as in obliterate (see Marvin the martian) when they can use us for their own selfish ends? I see the world we are gravitating towards as destruction, and was that done solely by humans with nefarious plans or did they have help? Imagine the feeding frenzy that happens in protest rallies, 9/11 type situations, war, theatres showing horror and violence to large groups. The energy fields are terrible and yet somehow tantilizing to the unaware. Oh, they love adrenaline rushes from horror type stuff.

I guess I look at this from our historic perspective with a super power verses a barely developed nation that we can exploit their labor and resources. We could just march into such a country, wipe them out and take it over, but we don't. It could be for honorable reasons, political reasons, power trips to have "slave" labor. How do we know the ET community doesn't have to play politics with other ET communities and to wipe out the humans on earth might not look so great on their part? Well, we don't, so given this perspective I cannot accept Dr. Greer's premises that if they were bad they would have wiped us out already.

14 Chakras

08-07-2009, 11:49 PM

Unified Serenity, I agree with a your thinking here.

My understanding is that humans are basically cattle for alien and dark species and the fallen God's and beast that empower them.

We are batteries, much like the movie the Matrix portrays. We receive pure light from the source, which is way to high of a vibration for these dark ones to make use of. So instead, they get us to misuse our own light, by partaking in emotions or activities that are low vibration. When we do, our light is released, and they feed.

Humanity is food for a lot of dark beings, and dark aliens. Do you destroy your own food supply?

Of course there are benevolent ET's, HOWEVER, they are well aware that humanity must pass the initiations it is presented with by taking back their own power and balancing power, wisdom and love within their own beings. They will not swoop down and offer some kind of saving solutions, they want us to take a quantum leap forward, not remain food for beings who are trapped in the illusions of darkness...

Unified Serenity

08-08-2009, 12:34 AM

I also believe that there is a quarantine set up around earth, as it has been talked about in ancient texts, as well as newer channelled ones such as the RA Mterials. This would explain the reason why we have not gone back to the moon or further out for one thing.

I am open to the possibility of a quarantine or a prison set up to keep us in a net and we keep looping back into 3d form thus feeding them from our emotions created in this 3d experience.

It's also been shared that we agreed to experience this 3d world and are now trapped here by a lower evolved being who enjoys this game. It's also been said that we can leave this when we want to and are awakened to the truth.

It's just such a galactic soap opera that it leaves me scratching my head due the various sub plots that are played out in our 3d soaps to think of this being the scenario on a universal level. It is really getting pretty old to me. Maybe it's a combination of all the above, and it just depends on what part of the elephant you are touching as to what seems to be the truth.

I do like the "you can leave when you want to" aspect and I plan on doing so once I have a chance and am at peace regarding my soul ties.

voltron

08-08-2009, 12:36 AM

I have always thought Steven Greer was wrong when he said there are no harmful ETS. But the more I listened to him the more I came to this conclusion. Steven is like an ambassador. An ambassador does not rush in accussing someone of being evil. That would end all discussion right there and accomplish no good whatsoever. So, I think he is being diplomatic by carrying a positive message. And I agree with what he says about how MJ-12 wants us to divide everything up into good and bad is how they manipulate us. I would give him a score of 90% for all the good he is doing for Disclosure and Free Energy. Even after I subtract 10% for ignoring bad ETS.

jem284

08-08-2009, 12:51 AM

I had a hard time listening to the interview. It keeps stopping and starting. I have high speed internet. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get the video to run smoothly. Its really hard to understand what they are saying
Thanks

14 Chakras

08-08-2009, 01:00 AM

Phtha,

What makes you think we haven't been back to the moon? Do you think NASA's ridiculously huge budget is really being spent on a few space shuttle trips and some robots that go around and examine a few rocks and sand on mars?

Traverser

08-08-2009, 01:05 AM

Greetings All,

I really don't think that Project Camelot and Dr. Steven Greer were pole's apart at all.

At one point in the interview Dr. Greer said that we should use "Cautious Optimism" when engaging with the Extra Terrestrials. And Camelots stance wasn't that far off by saying, and I'll paraphrase; 'We shouldn't disarm and blindly give up our sovereignty'. What are we really talking about here? We're talking about 'Degrees of Caution'. That's it!

Kerry, Bill and Steven are clearly very passionate about where they stand on the subject of 'First Contact'. But, what I felt was an underlying current of 'Bad Feeling' on both sides before the interview even really got started, which to me became more evident as the interview went on and became more intense and lost it's natural ebb and flow.

Although I wasn't at the conference when Dr. Greer took the stage. I don't know first hand how his presentation came across to the audience. But, Kerry obviously felt passionate enough to challenge Steven by writing on the Blog. The only thing here was; perhaps Kerry and Bill should've kept there powder dry for this interview.

All in all I still feel the interview was worthwhile, but I'd like to hear more as Dr. Greer gave us just enough insight into what his point of view actually is on the subject of 'Disclosure', as did Kerry and Bill. Could this only be Part 1 of ..?

Kerry and Bill; Love and Light to you Both, Keep up the great work it's appreciated..!

Namaste,

Love and Light to All,
Trav.

mntruthseeker

08-08-2009, 01:08 AM

I found myself swearing more than I wanted to do so

Dr Greer had points to make and I heard his points clearly. I can appreciate both views as having a valid sound reason but she feels only hers is valid. I felt bad for Dr Greer and he has spent many hours and time to get the "word" out to the world. Its rude to interupt and then accuse another of doing just that. Unbelievable

The idea that the human race has killed 160 million of their own people is SAD indeed. Of course we are not going to be recieved as "good" people in their minds.

Thank you Steve for all that you have done and are doing for earth

People need to learn to listen and not shove their ideas off as the only valid one

14 Chakras

08-08-2009, 01:18 AM

"The idea that the human race has killed 160 million of their own people is SAD indeed."

In fairness, there are plenty of whistle blowers (for lack of a better word) out there who will share with you who is running these governments that create these wars that kill so many people, and they aren't always human...

Phtha

08-08-2009, 01:29 AM

The quarantine is what makes me think this. Nothing more, nothing less. John Dee (1527 – 1608) was one of the first to mention this quarintine in recent history. John Dee was known to have the biggest library around on ancient and occult texts in his day. On a side note he is also the fellow whom many think was responsibly for lots of Shakespeare's works.

Leaving your sarcasm aside, of course I don't think that Nasa is telling us everything. What they do with the money? Who knows, maybe they use it as toilet paper, lord knows the PTW own money printing machines.
Thanks for not using powerful symbols such as murder, pedofile, and rape, based on a factless statement to try and get your point across this time though. :tongue2:

Phtha,

What makes you think we haven't been back to the moon? Do you think NASA's ridiculously huge budget is really being spent on a few space shuttle trips and some robots that go around and examine a few rocks and sand on mars?

DAYDREAMER

08-08-2009, 01:37 AM

I was really disappointed with the much in demand interview with Steven Greer that finally happened being turned into a debate about all et's being good and some not. Not an interview! This good man had so much more information to give about the 3 different parts of his work and there were dozens of questions that were never asked. There was so much more to learn that was not discussed. What a shame!

I have watched most futuretalks and this was not an "interview technique" that was used in this case. Usually it is a discussion between 3 or 4 people, this was just plain rude by Kerry in my opinion. Give the man an opportunity to speak and then respond.

I believe that humans have travelled to other planets in secret space craft, but have not been allowed into the Galactic Federation or Federation Of Planets or whatever it is called (the group of civilizations from other planets) due to being un-peaceful, as mentioned in various contactee books and witness testimonies about et meetings with governments. It is most certain that et craft have been attacked by human space weapons, as can be seen in a Nasa video and testified to by witnesses such as Clifford Stone, yet we do not have any solid proof of a retaliation.

I appreciate the work that Project Camelot does, but I have issues with Bill and Kerry trusting too easily people that can use and lie to them. In particular so called doctor Dan Burisch. There has been a lot written about him in the forum, including 2004 proof that he is fake. In my opinion he is a crackpot. It is surprising that Bill and Kerry believe in what he says so much. Even mentioning him and his stories in Amsterdam, despite him breaking ties with them after the conference in Spain. I know that Dr. Steven Greer made sure of the qualifications of his witnesses. Project Camelot need to do something similar. "Witnesses" need to prove themselves in other words. Then they can be seen as being very credible or not worth putting on their website.

Karen

08-08-2009, 01:38 AM

Karen

08-08-2009, 01:39 AM

"They have always been here, and they are still here now. When pressed to explain his presence on Earth, the Star Elder stunned the six. There was a war in the skies above, his ship had been downed by enemy forces!" ~Robert Morning Sky, Hopi
http://informationfarm.blogspot.com/2009/07/dan-burisch-marci-mcdowell-workshop_21.html

TheChosen

08-08-2009, 01:57 AM

-- The fact that you and I are still breathing the free air of Earth is abundant testimony to the fact that these civilizations are not hostile

If you think like a human then yes, this can be true. But how arrogant to think that you know how a superior intelligence rationalizes and distinguishes between hostile or not?

Even if we were to think like a human in such a case, how did most encounters of more advanced with less advanced civilizations (consciousness) end? Always in manipulation, slavery and exploitation. Only when it became apparent of the truth to the less advanced civilization there was violence.

It is the SAME with the ETs. Why would they want to destroy these valuable fields of sheep and cattle (humans) when they can milk them and skin their wool to their hearts' content? Without overcomplicating things too much and looking further than necessary I believe David Icke sums it pretty much as long as the malevolent ETs are concerned on this planet. Of course, most of the ET presence here wants to see us free.. but I have to think how could someone as Greer who has had so much experience dealing with these issues can think in such a limited way?

franciejones

08-08-2009, 02:25 AM

I was really disappointed with the much in demand interview with Steven Greer that finally happened being turned into a debate about all et's being good and some not. Not an interview! This good man had so much more information to give about the 3 different parts of his work and there were dozens of questions that were never asked. There was so much more to learn that was not discussed. What a shame!

I have watched most futuretalks and this was not an "interview technique" that was used in this case. Usually it is a discussion between 3 or 4 people, this was just plain rude by Kerry in my opinion. Give the man an opportunity to speak and then respond.

Iappreciate the work that Project Camelot does, but I have issues with Bill and Kerry trusting too easily people that can use and lie to them. In particular so called doctor Dan Burisch. There has been a lot written about him in the forum, including 2004 proof that he is fake. In my opinion he is a crackpot. It is surprising that Bill and Kerry believe in what he says so much. Even mentioning him and his stories in Amsterdam, despite him breaking ties with them after the conference in Spain. I know that Dr. Steven Greer made sure of the qualifications of his witnesses. Project Camelot need to do something similar. "Witnesses" need to prove themselves in other words. Then they can be seen as being very credible or not worth putting on their website.

Thank god someone besides me is saying this on here!

jem284

08-08-2009, 02:30 AM

I finally got to at least listen to the interview and I thought it was Great!!
They are all very good with their words and i think Dr. Greer had a lot of speaking time. It seemed to me anyway that he did most of the talking and they all had a chance to explain their differences. I thought it was exciting and liven things up around here.
:original::original::lmao:

tone3jaguar

08-08-2009, 02:33 AM

Negative ET's can only feed on negative emotions, and yes this does go on. This is how hard core black magic works. The belief that the guy behind the curtain exists or not has absolutely no bearing on how effective this type of work can be on someone.

cloud9

08-08-2009, 04:00 AM

After watching this interview I feel even more respect for Dr. Greer's work, he knows a lot more than he says. Also I really like Bill and Kerry but I have to say that sometimes Kerry who is the one conducting most of the interviews lacks patience and ability to wait for the right moment to make her comments.
In my opinion, the point of the whole interview was to let Dr. Greer know that they don't agree with his comment about all ETs being good but it was a waste of time spending the most part of the interview in a debate what was not necessary, all could have been said without interrupting the guest so many times and talking at the same time. I would have taken advantage of having him and let him talk more about how everything is going with the whole subject and getting him to share more information.
I am always grateful to Bill and Kerry for the work they do and their interest in spreading the knowledge but please Kerry, let your guests finish their sentences, I assure you, more can be achieved in a calm and peaceful way, we all can agree to disagree and definitely, it always pays to be a good listener; also I think you are a very brave soul.
I definitely agree with Dr. Greer's position, if we reach peace we will atract preaceful friends and viceversa, the universe is a mirror, we all know it but we still don't practice it, it's one of those pearls of wisdom everybody knows but in real world we act the opposite way.

gscraig

08-08-2009, 04:39 AM

Hello All,

This interview was a failure on almost all levels.

Here you have before you an opportunity to finally speak with a often requested interviewee ( since Camelot launched) and to some "the spark" to the movement of UFO disclosure platforms. As a result, you choose to "badger the witness" with a stuck in time concept of who said what and why they shouldn't have? Wow! Unacceptable. Kerry and Bill in my opinion was trying to maintain credibility due to their over reactions specifically towards a highly statured person in their own field of study. The topic should have been raised and discussed, but not ongoing leaving virtually no time for anything productive. Fortunately, for all of us, Dr. Greer in his answers/responses provided information and descriptions of events that would have never been heard otherwise. It became embarrassing to me when Kerry kept going back to the same subject of the positive E.T.s comment, and made certain she looked into the camera on occassion while doing so. You can have different perspectives, but that's not how you represent them in open dialogue.

Almost all of us has wanted this interview for a very long time, and this was the best foot put forward. I think the most sound and professional action that should be taken from Kerry and Bill regarding this interview, (in particularly Kerry) is an apology to us as supporters of their efforts, and to Steve Greer as supporters of his efforts and interviewee for literally dominating this opportunity with a less than critical subject matter.

You see...Disclosure won't come if people are afraid of who's up there. You can introduce the bad news to the public after they have handled the shocking, but good news first. Dr. Greer and The Disclosure Project was and is still the most nationally organized initiative respected for it's effort introducing the UFO reality to the public. They remain also the best positioned platform to apply pressure for full disclosure. We should be mindful of that when we're applauding Camelot's approach to this interview.

Myplanet2

08-08-2009, 04:41 AM

Wow. What a waste of time, and wasted opportunity. they could have really gotten some valuable information out of Greer.

Instead, it was all about "positions taken, held, and defended".

IMO, this could have been a productive interview if they hadn't posted on their blog that Greer was responsible for "the worst kind of disinfo", and that his position was "dangerous and insidious".

What kind of interaction could you expect if that was your preface.

His argument was much more tenable. Although I think for the sake of his argument, he limits his definition of ET to physical, space faring races, and to my knowledge, that represents a vast minority of the visitors we have here interacting with us.

Bill also made a good point about good or bad being in the eye of the beholder, as in "what is good for the fox, might not be best for the hen".

The shift we've all been going through, is filtering out some of the old disfunctional ways of dealing with things. One such example is either/or. That is mostly an obsolete concept by now. It's usually both. That view can be applied to all the major points made by all players in this Jerry Springer episode.

TraineeHuman

08-08-2009, 05:09 AM

Why does the Camelot website preface the interview/"battle" with Dr Greer with the argument that if the aliens were malevolent they would have killed us by now? Yes, that argument isn’t valid. But equally, it’s certainly not the argument Dr Greer was presenting to K&B. The argument he did present was: there’s absolutely no evidence that any alien contacts have been malevolent in any way – once you exclude contacts with humans (maybe from future timelines?) and abominable human genetic creations and human black magic.

The appropriate argument, it would seem to me, professionalism would have obliged K&B to offer in reply would have been for them to present and detail (at least a smidgin of) specific evidence to the contrary.

Incidentally, since there’s such overwhelming evidence that humans are often highly malevolent or manipulative to other humans, surely that argues that a considerable amount of all this energy should instead be devoted more to understanding and exposing the negative humans – and their disinformation regarding aliens?

conec

08-08-2009, 05:52 AM

I have been watching PC fro the very start.
I found this really hard to watch. Too much adrenalin.
I'd like to try to put it all into perspective.

It seems to me that they went into this battle of wills after a long weekend of intense happenings with the free energy guys storming the stage and PC obviously feeling put out by the fact that Greer didnt attend their discussion at the conference and also the fact that he was refusing to meet them at first for an interview. Then they quickly find out that they are going to interview Dr Greer. Its obvious that they were all worked up before they even met him and let other stuff get in the way.

The whole reason I have supported Camelot all this time was because of their stance of letting the interviewee give their views and opinions while also saying that they didnt nescessarily endorse everything everyone said. Whay was this not the case here?
Theres been plenty of things before that they didnt agree with but there was never such a fervent response as I have seen in this interview.

Seriously, maybe the guys need a bit of time out to relax and get back to the original stance.

I realise that a lot of people think that it was good to challenge Greer, of course it is! Thats not the issue really. The issue is that at times it was so hard to understand anything they were saying. It felt like I was in a room that I wanted to run out of. I think Kerry let her emotions get the better of her here.

It would have been of so much benefit to viewers to have watched a calm interview. It really is just good interviewing practice to prepare some questions, take notes at the time and respond after the interviewee has had a chance to speak.
This is not an interview you can watch more than once, this is the difference as I have watched a few interviews a few times because I could glean.

I still totally respect and love what they are doing for US and will not judge. We are only human and we are always learning. I hope B&K understanding well eaning folk who only want to see them progress and learn. Like we all want for our family.

Lots of love to you Bill and Kerry. xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Peace

happyhollergal

08-08-2009, 06:03 AM

Has anyone taken the time to watch other videos by Dr. Greer and his witnesses? I'm only 10 months into my search for truth, but have done extensive research into many areas since my awakening. In the first month on my journey, I came across the press conference for The Disclosure Project done in May 2001. I must say that I'm really glad that I heard that one before I watched the "interview" that was done by Project Camelot. I think that it was completely in bad taste for Kerry, knowing that she was going to be interviewing Dr. Greer the following day, to post anything negative about him in her blog. Since most of us on Avalon do appreciate the work that she and Bill do, we may be inclined to read her opinion of Dr. Greer prior to the interview, and form an opinion similar to hers before we give the guy an honest listen. Kerry offended Dr. Greer prior to the interview. I believe that they should have worked that out off-camera before things turned out as they did. It seems to me that he was set up to be ridiculed on camera. Why take this man's valuable time and information, and waste it on a bickering match? Why did we not get to hear about free energy, no more poverty, etc? If I were going to conduct an interview, I would ask questions, allow a full and complete response, and NOT interject myself into and dominate the discussion, then move on to the next question. This would allow the VIEWER to form their own opinion as to whether they feel the information is credible or not. This was supposed to be an hour long session of information from the interviewee. I am extremely disappointed, especially since I've just introduced my 26 year old daughter to Projects Camelot and Avalon. Had I not told her that she should watch other Dr. Greer videos, this one would have been her impression of him, and of Kerry. We need to be very careful, because people are still waking up every day. What we say, how we say it, can either draw others in to the light or make them run just as fast as they can. Kerry offered up several disgusted looks to the camera, when Dr. Greer responded to her repeated attempts to stay focused on one issue.

Dr. Greer stated that he's been doing this for 19 years, as compared to 3 for PC. Also, he has been and is currently involved with some very high level people, in positions of power that could allow Disclosure to come forth. PC doesn't have that power yet, and will not in the future, if they treat their interviewees this way. I wonder if anyone else noted Kerry's comment "As Above, So Below", which Dr. Greer reiterated later? Is that not an Illuminati statment? I also remember several of Bob Dean's interviews where he stated the same opinion, that we will not be allowed into other "neighborhoods" until we can become peaceful beings. Why is it such a terrible idea to encourage peaceful communication? Also, why do we need to know and understand what the "agendas" are of ET civilizations, when we can't even know that about our own leaders' agendas are? Shouldn't we at least attempt to become aware of what is going on in our own back yard before we attempt to understand other beings? Maybe an excersize to prepare us for other-worldly interaction would be to (a)find out who's running the Earth-Show, (b)forge alliances to force out the "bad" influences that are human, (c) learn to respect one another and not beat them up because we disagree. I'm sure when the time comes for "the others" to make their presence known, we will all know, and I surely don't believe it's going to come from the ones who have fought so hard to keep it buried, seeing as their profits would be greatly affected.

It's not just about admitting that we're not alone. Dr. Greer would have been able to share with us here on Avalon, what other realities would come forth if/when disclosure takes place. His is a message of hope and truth, but guided by wisdom and concern for all those that are not yet awake. I think a balanced approach should be taken when waking up the masses. There are millions who are aware of the information. But what about the ones who are not? You can't just come out and tell the entire world that ET's exist, some of them are bad, the governments of the world have gained their technology in exchange for whatever, people have been murdered to keep the information hidden, lots of rich people got rich because of the technology and suppression thereof. This could cause mass suicide/murder.

I remember when I first learned the truth about ET's existence, and that was through Bob Dean's interview on PC. I'm very grateful that the interview was well done and respectful, because it led me here to learn from what I consider my friends here on Avalon, as well as those who I've found to be trouble-makers. I do hope that Kerry and Bill will take the opinions of their followers here into consideration. We all are passionate about our beliefs, but as someone else said, when we feed ourselves new information that discredits our former beliefs, it puts us in a different place entirely. So, it is my hope that rather than continue to find fault and point fingers of blame, we analyze our own reactions to and interactions with others, in an effort to become better listeners and not critics. I still value the work of Bill and Kerry, as I do that of Dr. Greer and his witnesses. It is possible to gain insight from both. Best wishes to all.

Tango

08-08-2009, 10:35 AM

I told myself I wasn't going to watch this one because it was Greer, but
after reading all the comments I forced myself to watch it...

This may be the worst I've seen out of Camelot. Please, keep in mind that I invest in filmmakers, and in film. This brawl should have been done on the Blowers Rayedio instead wasting tape. OK...

First Kerry " Does NOT belong in front of the camera." She has a weight
gain thang going on, also she tries to hide it by wearing Black. Hon, just
push the potatoes away, girl... See, in the past with her behind the camera
we don't see those arms flayling around... And, behind the camera she
doesn't tap or poke the guest... In the past two camera's were used to
give more of a POV... To use one camera and go from a three shot to a
one shot then a two shot cutting out Bill, was in very poor taste. Greer's
head twisting back and forth made it appear as tho he was confused...
And, the background was terrible. This is why a blue background is
normally used... Or velvet would have NOT shown where it was folded.
Hell, even a white wall would have been better. It looked amature...
carelessly put together.

Preparation was needed, and wasn't done. It looked like a Hannity piece
from Fox News... Where they ask the guest a question and talk over the
guests answer... This is why one is suppose to work from notes. A flow
chart if you will. Ask a question, give the guest a chance to answer to
completion... re but ell... Than ask the next question. Like a interview
done Last year... Kerry, it might be time to take some classes on doing
interviews for broadcast... And, never do an interview when YOU want
to make a point, when YOU want to be the STAR. It's Not about YOU
it's ALL about the guest telling their story... Stop playing to the
camera, Kerry... Those faces you make at camera looked really bad.

Please, Please, go back to 2 (two) camera's it looked professional before.
Pushing in from a three shot to a one and a half shot sucked. And it
looked really bad. Yeah, I know it takes more editing, but that's your
job, just do your job. If you desire to have attention [want to be the
star] then do a separate interview all about You and everything you've
done in your life...

As far as Greer... Same ole; same ole. Nothing New here, I; Me; My
as I said he would.... I was happy to see he didn't do a commercial.
He is wrong... The earth has been targeted and hit from space.

Oh Kerry, lose some weight. Or, stay behind the camera. And, stay off
the ***n stage. It's Not about YOU... That was a stupid stunt...

Message for Bill. Goood, Luck, Buddy

I'm Done...

Verry trooly,

Tango

pineal-pilot-in merkabah

08-08-2009, 11:08 AM

another thought i have about what greer is talking about is that the ET's maybe possibly negative to us becuase look who is representing us, a bunch of power hungry luceferian, warmongering, genocidal control freaks!!!

these idiots like kissenger ect want to take over the galaxy im sure. wouldtn this make sense as to why the ET;s would appear hostile to us. either way i think impartiality is the key for the next few videos.

these are interviews for the general public to watch and glean information from and to make up our own minds. let the interveiwees have their say and then if you like disect afterwards..

STAY CALM AND FOCUSED

TraineeHuman

08-08-2009, 12:32 PM

Like everybody else, I’m fond of and inspired by Kerry and Bill, and greatly admire their courage and their intense dedication to seeking the truth. Also their imagination for creating PC. Actually, though, the thing I found the most disappointing and shocking was that Kerry seems to believe there is any such thing as some kind of battle between “good” and “evil”. This was also expressed in Thursday’s radio show with Ms Delicado, who seems to hold that belief as well. As somebody who has a postgraduate degree in philosophy and a degree in psychology (among other things), I happen to know for a fact that that type of understanding of “good” or “evil” is flat-out wrong, invalid – and even seems primitive and savage. (As Dr Greer was hinting, quite a few times.) Unfortunately, in our culture we get brainwashed into believing in it at a very young age, through religion.

It would take a small book to explain just how and why it’s totally and utterly wrong and very, very counter-productive (and well-known to be so, certainly by every professional philosopher on the planet). But let me offer at least the following. We all know that one of the basic principles of the universe is that you become the same as whatever you resist. Therefore, everybody who in any way is “resisting ‘evil’” will become ‘evil’ themselves. The more they resist, the more they necessarily will become ‘evil’. It’s simply impossible for them to avoid that.

THEWATCHER

08-08-2009, 02:07 PM

QUOTE..............
I appreciate the work that Project Camelot does, but I have issues with Bill and Kerry trusting too easily people that can use and lie to them. In particular so called doctor Dan Burisch. There has been a lot written about him in the forum, including 2004 proof that he is fake. In my opinion he is a crackpot. It is surprising that Bill and Kerry believe in what he says so much. Even mentioning him and his stories in Amsterdam, despite him breaking ties with them after the conference in Spain. I know that Dr. Steven Greer made sure of the qualifications of his witnesses. Project Camelot need to do something similar. "Witnesses" need to prove themselves in other words. Then they can be seen as being very credible or not worth putting on their website.

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Well put, yes Dr Greer vets his witnesses, I have been thru that process back in 2000. Yes perhaps Bill and Kerry should be more discerning in their interview choice, or is it simply if someone has a Dr. before their name they gotta be good, and truthful, and honest!!?:mfr_lol:
Barry

Unified Serenity

08-08-2009, 03:52 PM

Why someone would point to Kerry's weight gain as a complaint of the video is beyond me. I really do not think one's weight bears any importance to whether they should be on tape or not. I have interviewed hundreds of people, and have a list of questions that I plan to ask them ready. Sometimes I have gone over the questions ahead of time so they can present well thought out information during the interview. I am not a "gotcha" interviewer. If someone is lying to people then either I can give a rebuttal and ask their take given that information or leave it to the audience to understand. A disinfo agent will NOT deal with the rebuttal information but try to redirect it and control the answer as politicians often do on talking heads shows. I'm always amazed at how a person can answer a question with five minutes of nonsense if not interrupted. That is possibly what Kerry thinks she is doing, but it takes finesse to some degree to control such disinfo types.

Time is obviously limited in taping, and one cannot allow someone to talk and talk and NOT deal with the question. If you disagree based on your information say so, and share it, but don't argue. Move on to the next question. That is what I think bothered people. There were so many questions that could have been asked and were not due to the arguments.

I do want to say that I respect Bill and Kerry for doing what they are doing. It takes guts to be a public truth seeker.

Just a note for those who have asked in other threads and not seen my response. I had my show for a few years in the 90's then the station went 24 hour sports. When they came back they went with a morning right wing host who doesn't like it when I call in with other facts. So, I do not have a radio show at this time, and enjoy researching information and sharing here with you all.

Hiram

08-08-2009, 04:41 PM

I must agree here. Someones physical appearance is irrelevant to the point of it being absurd.

Secondly and with all due respect, both Dr. Greer and Carrie and Bill knew exactly what this exchange was going to be before they engaged in it. Dr. Greer was not going to participate in the interview at all until he saw the PC blog post questioning the integrity of telling an audience that all ET contact was "good".

He also was making the claim that our government has NO arrangements with ANY ET intelligences.

This exchange was to address those two rather unorthodox (in the UFO community) claims. This wasn't an interview to FIND OUT what Dr. Greer knows about the ET picture. I repeat, that was not the intent of the interview from the get-go. Anyone can watch his (Greers) tome of videos to find that out.

I think people are blowing this out of proportion. Yes, Karrie inturrupted the man...yes its not really the most respectful way to have an exchange...its what happens in peoples living room conversations etc, but we are not accustomed to seeing it in this format.

So what? Most of us here know full well B&K's intentions, and the worst we can say is that emotionally this could have been done a bit better.

One other point many of us should consider, is that Dr. Greer, when allowed, will go ON and ON for 10 minutes if allowed. Not to say that what he has to say isn't valuable, but---from personal experience exchanging with people that use this speaking style----at some point, you have to cut people like this off if you hope to have a meaningful exchange. I think PC was just trying to get to the point.

I think the best thing is to watch this and move on. Dr. Greer is no worse for the wear. I think he can handle it. If anything....this interview should prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that B&C are not disinfo agents.

Spiralmind

08-08-2009, 04:50 PM

Let's keep the personal insults, ie. "weight gain" comments to ourselves, shall we? This has NO bearing on the topic at all, and only serves to build more walls between people.

Imo, Bill and Kerry are great interviewers who are, like all of us, growing in their skills. Let's cut them some slack, yes?:wall:

Hiram

08-08-2009, 05:02 PM

And please let's us acknowledge the fact that there was no "missed opportunity" here.

B&K accomplished what they intended to do..albeit awkwardly.

Dr. Greer can stretch an answer to a single question much past 15 minutes if permitted. I think under those circumstances, its fair to inturrupt him.

As far as personal respect, I think Dr. Greer has communicated through various means..that he has very little respect for PC. In fact, his facial expressions when Kerry refers to her witnesses seem almost condescending. I'm sorry. That is the truth.

I don't think PC showed Dr. Greer any more disrespect than he has shown PC in the past. They are even on those fronts.

With all things considered, I think we all came out even on the "Frank exchange of views". I don't think we should belabor the finer aspects.

THEWATCHER

08-08-2009, 05:23 PM

micjer

08-08-2009, 05:51 PM

If you look past the rudeness and poor interviewing skills, it was a good interview with the both sides sharing their beliefs. Many people had questioned Dr Greer's belief that ET's are not hostile, and it was good to hear his rebuttal.

I will give Dr. Greer credit for hanging in there. If it had been me I may have lost it and left after the first 20 min.

Body language was something else in this video. I think a couple of times he would have liked to have given Kerry a poke in the nose. She put her hand on his shoulder once and the look he shot her was something else. At the beginning of the interview Dr.Greer sat very comfortably with his legs spread apart, yet when things began to heat up he sat tight legged. He got tired of sparring with Kerry a couple of times and preferred to look at Bill. LOL

I did like Bill's metaphor of the silver ship off of the island.

Here is something to think about.... If we are under quarantine until we become peaceful then wouldn't that apply to the rest of theuniverse. In other words could hostile ET's be allowed to come here? Shouldn't they be under quarantine also?

Unified Serenity

08-08-2009, 06:06 PM

I guess the quarantine would only be as good as their ability to enforce it. I imagine that I could slip past quite a few "do not enter" areas if I wanted to. So, just because we may be quarantined or in a prison does not mean others can't enter, it's just that we can't escape... or we can't easily escape :lmao:

enemyofNWO

08-08-2009, 06:48 PM

"If we are under quarantine until we become peaceful then wouldn't that apply to the rest of theuniverse. In other words could hostile ET's be allowed to come here? Shouldn't they be under quarantine also? "
_________

I agree with that . Quarantine should be a two way street . It would apply to who comes in and who attempts to get out.
Because , in my opinion some humans are controlled by off world entities , it follows that quarantine does not exist because we have bases in other planets (according to more than one whistleblower ) demonstrating the opposite of quarantine . So if the bad ETs are free to come , we are also free to go .

Tango

08-08-2009, 06:59 PM

THEWATCHER

08-08-2009, 07:10 PM

Not a bad interview, obviously hastily put together. Early stages for Bill and Kerry so can forgive them, particularly Kerry for the oft unprofessional way this was put together. The scene was set with quiet for the most Bill on the left, Steven 'cheshire cat' Greer in the centre and 'I'm gonna get my point across no matter what' Kerry on the right.

The main bone of contention here was the word hostile, Dr Greer's definition of hostile ETs as opposed Bill and Kerry's definition of hostile ETs. That was the whole crux of the matter. Each was right and each was wrong. That we have not been invaded by hostile ETs is certainly true, but at same time we as humans (or not as case may be) have a tendancy of viewing anything unusual as possibly dangerous or hostile to us. We cannot even begin to fathom the mindset or logic of beings vastly superior to us. Their intentions, their agendas are impossible to guage.

Ask most researchers, ufologists and many joe public types whom have an interest in this subject will all stand up and say 'the reptilians are the hostile nasty ones' or words to that effect. A continual conditioning of that is present. Whether that is true or not varies from person to person.

Dr Greer might have come across as arrogant but this is merely because someone with the knowledge trying to speak to those still in the learning process, and do not know, and going round in circles trying to gently state that knowing after much experience in this area should over-ride those still outside the knowing area.

Dr Greer mentioned the stagecraft and PLF, MILAB situation. THIS is where the actual dangers lie to humanity, the use of these Military craft and beings for Military abductions, tagging, mindcontrolling technologies and genetic experimentation on human guinea-pigs, ultimately leading to as Greer states, what Majestic want, a false flag alien invasion scenario. I'm glad he keeps mentioning this extremely important topic. He mentioned Dulce, Pine Gap, but did not venture further with the other facilities involved. I strongly think an interview with Dr Greer SOLELY on this topic, discussed in great detail, should be readied asap.

Dr Greer mentioned a facility most know little of, Camp Peary, I grinned when I heard that. If anyone has copies of my Voice Files from the 90's you will see I actually mentioned that place. As far as I know the only time it was publicly mentioned outside of the agency.

A good interview overall, and a pat on the back for Dr Greer sticking to it even when faced with 2 onto 1 LOL. I know how that feels LOL.

Barry

cloud9

08-08-2009, 07:32 PM

I just couldn't help myself... I had to post again. I have read all comments on the thread and I understand everybody's point of view with the sole exeption of Tango comments.
That was really ugly, disrespectful, rude, bad taste, etc., and trust me I don't usually judge people, I try not to the best I can. This person usually has that type of unkind comments about other people, as the universe is a mirror I wonder how he (she) looks? Please, let's grow up and pass the minute stuff... Kerry is just a human being with all the body issues we ALL have, I consider very unfair and rude to judge the value of a person based on how they look. Big mistake!!!
His or her about Kerry comments have anything to do with the subject, we people looking for the information we need are not interested in how the witnesses look, if we notice it we should keep it to ourselves, what it s really important is the INFORMATION, not the looks; I particularly don't care about the technical stuff of how they film their interviews as long as I can hear and understand the person.
Let keep our focus here. I agree with the corporal language too, it was very unconfortable at times to watch. I understand why there wasn't much preparetion for this interview but just giving the guest more time to answer was all it was needed. Also, Dr Greer has had many personal experiences and he talks from his experience which is very respectable, nobody has all the answers neither the whole truth but his experiences and knowledge are very valuable for all of us who haven't had the chance to experience ETs in a direct way nor have we interacted with the powerful people who run the planet, but he has.
Dr. Greer's comment about the planet being in quarentine it's not new to me, 20 years ago I was living in another country and I had the chance to listen to somebody, a very wise and knowledgeable person talking about this and how, just when we are able to get our tecnology at the same level as with our capacity of love everything and everybody else, we will be allowed to interact with the rest of the universe. It's just common sense.

tone3jaguar

08-08-2009, 07:42 PM

Tango, this is a forum about the truth. Lets keep the Inside Edition / Entertainment Tonight / Fox News paradigms out of here.

5thDensity

08-08-2009, 08:17 PM

[QUOTE=THEWATCHER;159978]QUOTE..............
I appreciate the work that Project Camelot does, but I have issues with Bill and Kerry trusting too easily people that can use and lie to them. In particular so called doctor Dan Burisch. There has been a lot written about him in the forum, including 2004 proof that he is fake. In my opinion he is a crackpot. It is surprising that Bill and Kerry believe in what he says so much. Even mentioning him and his stories in Amsterdam, despite him breaking ties with them after the conference in Spain. I know that Dr. Steven Greer made sure of the qualifications of his witnesses. Project Camelot need to do something similar. "Witnesses" need to prove themselves in other words. Then they can be seen as being very credible or not worth putting on their website.

Burisch had worked with greys and orions in black projects:thumbdown:, both are in my opinion negative ET`s. So he may be crackpot and disinfo.Greer wit his project orion, also refering to those negative ET`s. If that interview was "staged" by PC, we may hear some clarification soon.

twoRone

08-08-2009, 08:22 PM

watched the interview, and thought it was decent but like others stated, should have been much more about Dr. Greer and his experiences and work, then the BOTH of them (K&B) shoving their perspective down his throat.. great scott! ..
it was hard to watch once the badgering started.. I now have an even greater respect for Dr. Greer and what he's up against with the world public.. that's a larger challenge than dealing with the world's politicians IMO..

the trick here, it seems, is the true separation between off-world ET civilisations and the genetic experiments of the black ops dickheads and the confusion they are trying to create (successfully I should add) and kerry and bill being caught right up in it.. they are out of the box thinkers but they need to step out into the next layer and see the even larger picture to get a true definition of "good and bad" ... Bill's analogy of the island and campfire just showed how restrictive the human thought process really is.. fear first, it's safer that way... I guess we're "only human"

old paradigm thought processes IMO..

decent interview though, K&B, you just need to keep your emotions and pre-interview comments in check... and can the finger shaking.. that was rude!:shocked:

on to the next!!

Unified Serenity

08-08-2009, 08:39 PM

You, MAY want to ask the same of Oprah...

Or, any other TV or Cable Anchor, Host, or Interviewer...

The lense adds weight... Kerry, knows that, it's 101.

And, it wasn't a complaint, it was an observation.
Here, give us 10 names of weighted interviewers...
Its, More for females than males. I don't make the
rules. We just have to live with them.

You can live by whatever rules you choose to live by Tango. I don't happen to care what a person looks like, but rather what they have to share with us. It's rather sad that the media has made it a prerequisite to be thin and attractive to be on video. Heck, look what we missed out on in a singing sensation with Susan Boyle. Imagine if she had been given a real chance 20 years ago what she could have given to the world. I hope she releases a cd soon as I for one would love to hear her songs. Kerry's weight is a non-sequitur.

It's the same as the stunt on the stage. She's just lucky
it was someone like, Bob Dean that she pulled that on,
Someone else might have walked off the stage.

This is a sad statement to say. It might not have been proper to take the stage, and yes people were upset, but to suggest what you are really immature.

When camelot started it was about 'recording' history.
Now the recorder [honorable job] as it was; Now, wants fame.

I really don't think they were seeking fame, but a chance to have some of this information shared which it appears the conference heads did not. They even were upset over sharing info during a non-conference time lunch break! Come on, if no one is scheduled and they invited him to the conference then why didn't they give him a slot to speak? That was beyond rude in my book. I would have been pretty frustrated had I been asked to go to a conference due to my information and then not been given an opportunity to share it. That is basically what I gained from listening to Kerry.

I've seen this happen before! Can you deal with the
out come... The herd here at PC/PA has thinned. Wonder why?

I don't know why the "herd" has thinned though I have heard some claim intellectual superiority and not liking some of the members. For the most part, I find all discussions here interesting, and only a few people need to think twice before flaming others.

When it all comes crashing down, and someone has to be kept
after school; are YOU going to stick around and pay all the bills ?
When one has a good product going, you don't change the blueprint.
Just look at the numbers... They speak for themselves. They don't lie...
Kerry, had a good thing going in the beginning. It is a business. You
know, book keeping and such...

Doubt Me.... You'll seee...

Tango

" I'm not dancing around this one."

I guess we will see. I find the forum very interesting and valuable and I haven't seen Bill or Kerry post here in ages. So, I don't come here for their posts, but the other wonderful people who are willing to give of themselves in an honorable manner.

Phtha

08-08-2009, 09:34 PM

Uh oh, Looks like Tango got himself in a Tangle. :naughty:

I think Kerry is a beautiful person inside and out. As someone mentioned though this is how the mainstream see's things nowadays. Musicians and actors, and I use those words lightly, won't even get looked at unless they have a pretty face and body to sell. Just another example of how we need to seriously fix ourselves before we worry about negative ET's coming in to invade.

I watched the interview again with some friends, last time I only listened to it, and yah the condescending body language was quite apparent from both parties. It's too bad that Camelot and Disclosure can't get a long a little better, hopefully these exchange may have garnished a little more respect between the two parties at the end of the day. Kind of funny, the two main organizations that are trying to dis-close information are working against each other, almost a little too convenient I say..

I also watched Greers speech at the conference where he mentioned there are no hostile ET's. Maybe it is a slight play on words, but he is right there are certainly no outright hostiles, negatives on the other hand is another story.
Myself, I still have not personally experienced or witnessed any ET's aside from a possible UFO flyby at night one time, so I still keep room for the idea that the whole damn thing is a psyop scam aka project bluebook or something similar. :roftl:

micjer

08-08-2009, 10:54 PM

It's too bad that Camelot and Disclosure can't get a long a little better, hopefully these exchange may have garnished a little more respect between the two parties at the end of the day. Kind of funny, the two main organizations that are trying to dis-close information are working against each other, almost a little too convenient I say..

I also watched Greers speech at the conference where he mentioned there are no hostile ET's. Maybe it is a slight play on words, but he is right there are certainly no outright hostiles, negatives on the other hand is another story.
Myself, I still have not personally experienced or witnessed any ET's aside from a possible UFO flyby at night one time, so I still keep room for the idea that the whole damn thing is a psyop scam aka project bluebook or something similar. :roftl:

Trust no one but yourself and take only what you read and hear that feels right.

:thumb_yello:

Myplanet2

08-08-2009, 10:58 PM

Tango. Do you get it? You should get it! Women are not objects. A primary component of the shift in progress, is the rise to balance of the feminine. How about let's wake up and smell the new paradigm.

Myplanet2

08-08-2009, 11:42 PM

How about the issues under contention?

Greer claimed that B&K's approach was too Anthropocentric.

Def:3. viewing and interpreting everything in terms of human experience and values.

B&K claimed that it was irresponsible and dangerous to presume that ET's are not hostile, since nobody knows for sure.

Greer claims there is no evidence of hostile ET intentions, yet didn't precisely define ET. Understandable since he was having to forge ahead while being "hunted" by Kerry. But I inferred from his comments that Greer considers physically oriented beings who travel in physical ships to be ET's, and that the jury has not returned on whether extra dimensional visitors could be considered ET's. He said he had no quibble about some entities being hostile, but that there was no evidence of an ET origin for them. Fair enough. I can see the logic of his not wanting to include the unprovable in his sphere of endeavour, because he means to be able to back up and prove to the establishment, as needed, what the evidence shows. I got the idea he knows much more of the score than he discusses, but keeps on topic because he is much watched and quoted.

One of the most useful comments of the hour was Greer's, that "you can't prove a negative". Another was that "we can keep going around in circles forever".

I think you go in circles when you don't get to the point.

What is the point?

There is disagreement between Greer and B&K. It seems to revolve around the philosophical difference that on the one hand, since there is no evidence of hostile intent from ET's, and since there is belief in the existence of the stipulation that belligerent, hostile humans need to get over that before they'll be able to go out and join the Galaxy at large, it makes most sense to curb our violent, polarized ways, and approach the subject of getting to know ET from a positive outlook, as far as whether to greet them with pointed gun, or open arms. On the other hand, it's proposed that since we don't know the ET's intentions, and since there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to support the existence of some dark agenda's often attributed to ET's of corporeal and non-corporeal types alike, that it makes more sense to have a loaded gun handy until we're sure one way or another.

Greer then proposes that much of what B&K think of as dark ET agenda's can just as easily be ascribed to Dark humans masquarading as ET's, or to Dark entities which are of unknown origin, making it unjust to present them as ET's. They could be of earthly origin just as easily as of ET origin.

What is the truth at the centre of what they've been circling around?

And is it an injustice to the ET's to paint them with a anthropocentric brush? Have ET's merged their polarity issues? Have some? Have most? If so, Greer's right. We do them an injustice. Those non-corporeal ET's I have personal experience with, certainly seem to have no issues of polarity. They seem to hold no judgement, and hold true unconditional love for us. At least that's how I'd characterize the ones I know. I've never met any corporeal ones, but the stories my ET friends have told me about them leads me to once again support Greers notion that they are not hostile towards us, even when their actions appear to us to be destructive. And that in most cases, permission for physical interaction is in place at higher levels of consciousness, even when it's forgotten and scary in the fraction of our consciousness invested in these little 3D lives underway here on earth. It was explained to me that some large number of abductions involve "distant relatives". Too long a story to lay out here in this post, but it makes self consistent sense and certainly takes the fear factor out of it.

the MILAB stuff is another issue all together.

What do you think?

Marian-Librarian

08-09-2009, 02:53 AM

Insighful... comments, as usual.....thanks....MP2

Tone3...well said!

Tango....goodness, you can be a bit too rough, and blunt of opnion....
that's hard to take....and negates your good post points....

It would be good to remember, that we really are talking about REAL people here...and not just in cyberspace....

What do you think would happen if you said that to her in a face-to-face?
I'd bet she'd slap your face.......food for thought....

Practitioner

08-09-2009, 03:48 AM

In a lengthy interview, through which there was an opportunity for dedicated researchers to compare and corroborate certain facts, very little evidence of material importance was shared. As scientists and investigators, both Greer and Camelot should be willing lay evidence on the table and have a rational discussion in support their respective views. Instead, we were treated to a largely vague argument and conflict of personal reputation. To that end, the interview could have been better organized. Perhaps it was impromptu.

Greer admitted early in the interview that there are several factors that have restricted disclosure, including geo-political and economic (referring to the consolidated power of those who call themselves majestic). At the same time, I think that both Greer and Camelot realize that the current situation is dynamically changing--the consciousness of people on earth (and perhaps elsewhere) is changing; the environment is changing (perhaps on a cosmic scale)--and likely this makes it difficult for either side offer definitive conclusions.

Have human beings' and other beings' bodies been cloned? Quite likely.

Have extra-terrestrials and/or inter-dimensionals interfered with humankind at a physical and psychological level? Apparently.

Have there existed both 'positive' and 'negative' agendas for power and control? It seems so.

Should people awaken themselves and comport themselves in a positive and vigilant manner? Not a bad idea.

In the end, I'm not sure that Camelot and Greer are really in disagreement. However, I sense that Greer feels restricted in terms of what he is at liberty to pronounce in a public forum.

Ravens and Doves

08-09-2009, 06:58 AM

I am dissapointed with the way Kerry tried to force her opinion on Greer...

Greer is absolutely right...OUR TICKET TO THE STARS IS PEACE!!!! PERIOD

viking

That video is what you get when you bake three strong alpha apples in pie. Woe be to the black bird.

To Bill and Kerry's credit, they are frank in mentioning that Prj. Cam. has it's own style of agree-to-disagree, engagement type interviewing that they cut loss with on occassion. Not a bad idea with hard-ball pitchers like Greer.

I found it interesting that the Doc mentioned the quarantine. It's also mentioned in the Urantia Book that goes back to the early 1930s and was published in it's final edition in 1955. I spoke with Ray Fowler about it and he, like so many other ufololists, prefered to keep his distance from it because the book comes off like (his word's), "A bunch of people who studied Judeo/Christian culture..."

The U book does mention the "rebel midway creatures" - who are - once you find the paragraphs in the 2100+ pages - and I just bet my pony on this because I recently finished a book on it - ARE THE MINORITY OF MALISCOUS GREYS who followed a higher type of being named Lucifer to a "service to self" (another spot-on U book nugget that's also a nugget in this community) and apossed to "service to others" path.

The three (or four) evolutionary strages of this world that Mariam was shown, the genetic "life modification world" we live on, the "Reserve Corps of Destiny" (Dan Sherman, are you on line?), the tall blonds... it's all in there. And the "Seven Master Spirits" - David Wilcock, you are spot-on.

When all is said and done, there is far more positive than negetive in the universe, but we have the complex misfortune of living on a world where there is negetive adgendas in high places at a time of high stakes change.

If the U B community could get over being afraid of the "tin foil hat UFO nut" lable (the show Sightings called it "The Alien Bible") and we could get over being afraid of people thinking we "Found Jesus in an Edgar Casey era cult"
and join forces, compare notes and..... oh, sisters and brothers, the possibilities.

I've spent two years on my book... and a lifetime on the path. The day of my contact/awakening was an answered prayer - as is finding Project Camelot. I was a lonely nut. Now I'm in a tree with nuttier nuts.

Cheers, no tears, today,

Paul

www.ravensanddoves.com

I had two uncles who labored in Lazar land (Edwards ABF and Groom Lake) who both passed away from strokes. It seems to be a common scurge among people work in those classfied projects. Both my parents were "white hats" and I'm the only dunce cap that popped out of the gene pool.

I'm really torn up inside about the NSA. I don't know weather to love or hate them, but they had me on a leash for a brief period. No harm done to me, but some others.... it's a long story. I can only hope that benevolence has prevalence.

For the sake of amnesty for wistle blowers, horn blowers and green tamborine shakers, and for those who those of us who don't have a ticket to bunk with a Bush, deep in some God forsaken cave, but have had the deams and visions and will tough it out on the top soil.... if - and that's only an IF, we miss the last train to glory and have to join the surival struggle during the longest dark night of the human soul.

Here 'tis. (turn your sound on. I was lucky to get, "One Clear Moment" from Linda Thompson. My favorite song about awaking - "no way to stop it when it comes... the doors blow open."

http://home.earthlink.net/~aic.net

Tango

08-09-2009, 07:27 AM

I thought PC/PA was supposed to be all about truth; honesty...

Bill, was cut out of most of the interview [half of the team] to the viewer.
A wrinkled drop cloth used for the background...? See, stupid me, I was
under the understanding that Kerry, wanted to be a filmmaker. I heard
she wanted to enter film festivals... You think I was rough...?

One of My people brought a piece of work like that N' I go out of my tree...
The LA Film Festival, is one of the toughest markets; lots of competition.
How is she going to compete....? There is 'Talk' of doing a Movie, Right..!!!

All filmmakers are REAL people. I could post two (2) shorts from filmmakers
from the last competition. but, they are Rated R, [Utube] Strong Language;
Blood, gun fire and this is a PG Rated Site. If it was eyeball to eyeball I
would still give it to Kerry in written form; break it down in even more detail.
Slap MY Face...? For Telling the truth to a filmmaker...? Or, Maybe a Movie
maker...? Wow, You think I was rough... I'm a puppy in comparison to the
LA crowd... I've heard them !!! Now, their rough and graphic... How did
Kerry say it; it's NOT personal. Well My observations Were NOT personal...

So, You want Me to blow sunshine up someone's butt...

How's this for dishonesty:

Great work... Like the personal interaction between interviewer [Host]
and guest... Wow, great body contact and animation of body language
from the interviewer to the guest. Loved the way the interviewer kept
the guest off balance. Who was the voice on the left...? Off camera...
Nice touch... Crazy about the use facial expressions of the interviewer
during the guests answers, really added emotion to the whole scene.
What a GREAT Style... Wished the guest could have answered faster
so the interviewer could have asked even more different, questions of
the guest. Seems like the guest couldn't keep up with the interview,
he was always running behind in his answers. The waving of the
interviewers arms while the guest tried to answer was just sooo special.
And, the pushing of the guests arm got just the perfect reaction from
the guest. Oh Yeah, and thanks for bringing out all that New information
from the guest. He was able to make his points sooo clearly with the
interviewers help. It appears the Main interviewer has lost a considerable
amount of weight in the last couple of months. And her attire was so
slimming and attractive, could we find out where she shops...? I can tell
this interviewer is going to REALLY Go Places as a Host. Such a friendly
demeaner and attitude from the host. And, at the end the story from
Her co-host. We hardly knew he was there... He, must Not like to ask
many questions or have much to say... It was just sooo exciting to
watch the New Professional Style interviews are done in. Wow, she's
a REAL Professional Filmmaker... I just couldn't take my eyes off the
screen. What a riveting interview... [END]

So I ask you Marian... Is that Bright Sunshine [B.S.] enough...?

Wow... She's going to shoot a Movie... A REAL Movie maker. WOW

Eeck,

Tango

I Never, could play a phony... disgusting...

Tango....goodness, you can be a bit too rough, and blunt of opnion....
that's hard to take....and negates your good post points....

It would be good to remember, that we really are talking about REAL people here...and not just in cyberspace....

What do you think would happen if you said that to her in a face-to-face?
I'd bet she'd slap your face.......food for thought....

celticwarrior

08-09-2009, 10:39 AM

Well, there's one sure thing about writing on the forum here, is that I won't get interrupted!
I have to say that I enjoyed the interview/debate or whatever you want to call it. Would love to see the stats like in football matches - like who had possession of the ball for what percentage of the game - who was sent off, number of fouls committed, red cards, own goals, number of goals and who scored.
Anyone any ideas how that would read for this video?

I do like Steven Greer, and I do like K & B, but have definitely a lot more respect for Steven after his admirable ability to remain cool and calm in this sustained barrage.

Bring on the next victim!!!:mad3::mfr_omg:

Anchor

08-09-2009, 11:04 AM

burgundia

08-09-2009, 01:12 PM

the interview is not a movie with beautiful actors and actresses playing their roles, wearing tons of make-up. the fact that for Kerry it was not important to look "pretty" says a lot. The remarks about her looks were rude. Did you criticize Bill's looks too? His weight, his hairstyle, his clothes?

tone3jaguar

08-09-2009, 01:34 PM

I have decided that Tango is a Fox News Writer

THE eXchanger

08-09-2009, 02:21 PM

it takes two to tango :mfr_lol:
and, i enjoyed his satire on the performance

i think, he was only trying to make some suggestions
on how Kerrie & Bill, could improve things
and, there is truth, they could definitely alter/change & shift
this attitude - of, this is "the way" we "interview"
as, they are going to find, less and less people
willing to suject themselves, to this type of treatment

and, if there are three people in an interview
i'd like to see all of them - NOT just one / or two of them

and, i think Kerrie, needs to ask a question
and, let the person she's interviewing give a complete answer
and, keep her personal beliefs and personal opinions
in a seperate section

perhaps; an useful idea
would be: at the end
3 minutes from Bill Ryan about the interview
3 minutes from Kerrie Cassidy about the interview
and, perhaps 3 minutes - of useful information
about the importance of people supporting their mission ?

Quantum

08-09-2009, 04:01 PM

I'm a new member here and don't generally post on internet forms but when I viewed this Steven Greer discussion with Project Camelot I felt compelled to join this forum.

I have been researching and actively developing Free Energy systems for nearly nine years. I remember when I first came across the Disclosure Project and saw samples of the witness testimony. Back then I believe they were selling most of the project video and only a limited amount was available on their website.

As the years went by, I wondered why this disclosure information did not seem to gather any traction in the mainstream or even more broadly on the internet... Greer seemed determined to get this information out.
Then one day someone in my own network of contacts mentioned Greer was intentionally managing the witnesses who got exposure and those that didn't. My contact went on to say he had a friend who was brought to the press event to make a statement but the day of the event was told he would not be going in front of the press. Greer's people (security?) made sure that he did not have a chance to talk to anyone during the announcements.

This contact went on to say Greer's funding appeared derived from suspicious sources and possibly the whole operation was a controlled and managed "disclosure". (Fox guarding the hen house)

Fast forward to Greer's Orion project. Now Greer wants to help suppressed inventors release their technology. Same story here. Greer's organization seems to like to keep tabs on everyone, but doesn't actually produce results. Two fellow inventors/engineers I know personally were offered help... then when the devices were disclosed to Greer, he didn't follow through with funding... or the potential funding had very restrictive conditions tied to it... i.e. Greer's organization would require control.

I know myself Greer has had the opportunity to help bring working Free Energy devices to market... he has not done so.

These are my personal observations. I know Free Energy devices are not only real, but simply waiting to be brought out. The only thing hampering their release is the capitalistic greed paradigm used to control not only the inventor, but the technologies.

Peace!

Christo888

08-09-2009, 04:03 PM

Well I certainly have an upgraded respect for Dr. Greer's knowledge and ability to meet with world leaders and have access to black ops or secret projects... not many can say this. And if he has refused or ignored Kerry & Bill for quite sometime I can see now how Kerry broke through the staunchness of Dr. Greer to get his attention and bring him back down to Earth where we all are. For whatever reason or what is being hidden in the background ... Kerry & Bill are going to bring this out somehow! Certainly what Kerry did worked!!!! Dr. Greer said a lot of things he probably would not have normally blurted out but by being taken off his own agenda he had to defend himself with what he could pull out of his experience in the moment without taking time to think about it!!! Well done Kerry!!

And Tango, what is up with you... are you trying to distract this thread? Did something hit a nerve with Kerry and Dr. Greer? Did you want to interview Dr. Greer and you have never been able too? Are you looking for recognition for something? What do you want?

Unified Serenity

08-09-2009, 04:10 PM

If one wants to point out interviewing methodology fine, but to denigrate Kerry for her looks is inexcusable and shows how shallow some can be. It would be pretty easy to edit a number of videos pc has done and produce a slick cd / movie regarding the topics typical of pc interests with or without less than stellar interviewing gaffs.

As for letting someone like Greer give a full answer, that is debatable as he can talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk until someone does cut him off. That being said, if he is staying on subject let him get out a full sentence, but if he is veering into professor speak and switch the subject tactics then redirect the conversation.

I would have personally liked there to be some ground rules up front if they felt Greer was likely to talk ad nauseum and defeat the opportunity to cover enough ground. Say up front that you have X number of questions and he has X number of minutes to give a clear answer and that you will redirect if you feel that is not happening. Then at the end share their own personal views of what was shared, and give their reasoning in an equally concise manner. That's at least how I would do it, but then again, that's my style. Of course there is interchange during an interview, but when it breaks down into hyper emotionalism then it's pretty uncomfortable to watch. I don't like having multiple interviewers as it can seem like ganging up or competition to get your voice heard. That's why I like scripted questions that one can add onto if the conversation goes that way.

I would have liked a special video done by Bill and Kerry regarding what happened at the conferences that got everyone up in arms. I did like Kerry's explanation at the last conference, but one has to try to find that video to see it. Just my two bits worth.

Hiram

08-09-2009, 05:09 PM

Well, thank you for your information Quantum, and welcome.

There was certainly a conflict of personalities here...Dr. Greer, with his controlled stentorian, plodding, sometimes painfully (I will never actually finish speaking unless stopped) rythm,

and Kerry, with her passionate, rapid, (yes I have meditated, and remote viewed and met my own witnesses, and you are not the pedagogue you think you are) mentality.

Not an interview in the classic sense at all. An exchange of views with more emotion than the viewer is accustomed to seeing...and thats where the discomfort comes from.

One can critique Kerry all they like, it really doesn't change anything. I feel like Dr. Greer has some very serious issues he himself has to answer for every morning when he looks in the mirror at himself. And by that, I mean we all....all of us on this forum should be suspicious and rejecting of those who seek to control information.

I find this attempt at control repellent in every way...and that is why Project Camelot is superior to EVERY OTHER FORUM OR GROUP OUT THERE right now. They don't try to control the information. They are giving it to us...free of charge, the only cost is our loss of innocence perhaps.

And that...is why when you see Steven Greer look at Kerry when she is speaking..he has a look of disdain in his eyes. That is why DB now despises...and really can't hack it at PC. His style of hiding things doesn't work here. Its like oil and water...the two can't mix.

Those who seek to conceal and control information cannot stand to be around those who are open. It exposes them for the heathens that they are.

I'm not saying we know all thats happening behind the scenes...but so far my heart and my mind tells me this is the best thing going. I've never been wrong about this sort of thing before and I trust that.

Lets love our family here at PC...despite their foibles and shortcomings. Their positives far outweigh the negatives. And you will not find the freedom and openness other places.

burgundia

08-09-2009, 05:11 PM

Well

And Tango, what is up with you... are you trying to distract this thread? for something?

It looks like that....i have to go back and reread all the characteristics of a disinfo agent....:sneaky2:

Tango

08-09-2009, 06:07 PM

Not happy with this NEW 'Style' of interview... I see it as DESTRUCTIVE...
Including to the PC/PA Site; members; viewers... Future guests.
I'd like things [interviews] to go back to the way they were just 1 year ago...

And, YES a nerve has been Hit... Hard... Antics don't win popularity contests.
I don't see Bill doing such antics; stunts; Hit pieces... So Why is this
happening ? And, its a serious question... camelot provided a Service for
many Before... It's all changed...

I'd like to see the focus --Back where it was; on the "information..."
DP's and Camera operators and editors are very honorable positions
The trouble only started when the original camera operator; DP, came in
front of the camera to do interviews. That's where it started. That's when
the numbers started to Drop. Than, the Script was flipped when this became
a Pay Site...

I have ZERO interest in Greer. To me he is a 'bone collector' of information.
[The information goes in and never comes out]
And, I won't lower myself to respond to the rest. I'm not going to restate
what I've said in previous threads.

Trooly,

Tango

And Tango, what is up with you... are you trying to distract this thread? Did something hit a nerve with Kerry and Dr. Greer? Did you want to interview Dr. Greer and you have never been able too? Are you looking for recognition for something? What do you want?

Christo888

08-09-2009, 07:52 PM

Well Tango, I'm sure David Wilcox's forum could use someone of your caliber... Seeing as how PC and PA are now so diminished why wait!

I see a very well planned and thought out strategy by Kerry to get Dr. Greer in a seat and on camera for many reasons.

Try to get someones attention who thinks that you are just a peon and of no relevance to the future because the 200 to 300 people that manage 500 trillion dollars are the ones that matter!!! And someone with a personal agenda to control the next wave of energy devices :lightsabre:... that is not going to happen!!:tongue2:

Quantum

08-09-2009, 08:31 PM

Thank you for the welcome, Hiram.

I'd like to add another observation regarding Greer.

At the close of the Exopolitics Summit I remember Project Camelot reporting about an incident involving a group of Spanish delegates including Free Energy inventors, attempted to announce from the stage they had been threatened by Greer.

Although I've not been told that directly by any of my contacts, it would not surprise me if indeed something like this did occur. It may have been significantly more than a "misunderstanding" due to the language barrier.

My reason for being critical of Greer is that I feel he's appointed himself "gatekeeper" while many of the "awake" public appear to look to him for solutions.

If the public wants solutions to energy and other environmental crisis they only need to change their mind about the existence of it and support it. Those that have the technology are being hidden by Greer... he's neither the expert for the public nor the ally of the inventor. Far from it.

Peace!

Karen

08-09-2009, 08:39 PM

Than, the Script was flipped when this became
a Pay Site...

No script flipping:

I've been on this forum since day one, where the front page said it was intended to become a pay site at sometime in the near future. After that it was easier to miss that line of the script. In this vBulletin program there is no way to make sure everyone sees everything.

Some people (like me) just click "Today's Posts" and others click "Home" and see the menu for all the subforums. By clicking home and scrolling down you can also see who's online with you.

Karen

Karen

08-09-2009, 08:50 PM

Although I've not been told that directly by any of my contacts, it would not surprise me if indeed something like this did occur. It may have been significantly more than a "misunderstanding" due to the language barrier.

Hi Quantum, great to see you here!

That incident was variously explained as more info came to light. Some explanation was done on Whistleblower Radio after the incident http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Project_Camelot_09.html and also at the Camelot blog.

Language barrier:
Paraphrase by me: When approached about a free energy device in the discussion Greer used that joke - "If I told you, I would have to kill you."

Quote from:
http://projectcamelot.org/
26 July 2009 - update 2

•" Regarding the incident at the end of the Barcelona Exopolitics Summit, we have investigated it to the degree possible. We interviewed the inventors who felt they were threatened, we talked to observers of the events, and we met with Dr Steven Greer and his bodyguards and assistants.

"We understand that what happened was largely due to a lack of understanding of the language (for the inventors, English is a second language) and something said during the Speaker's Dinner by Steven Greer himself in response to a request by an inventor to discuss his invention. When Dr Greer was disturbed at dinner, his first response was "I could kill you", which his entourage explained was a joke but was taken seriously by the inventor who had approached him."

And more at - http://projectcamelot.org/
26 July 2009 - update 2

Edit - Oops on a reread, I see you are saying it could be more than the language barrier problem. Perhaps so, but about 90% of the time all our best lead assumptions about another and their motives are proven to be wrong.

Jeeeeezzzzzz Dan Burisch claims this about the vaccination info incident at the Zurich conference: "The problem is - WE BELIEVE THE EVENT WAS STAGED TO GET OUT OF CONTROL AS A PUBLCITY STUNT, AND THOSE IN CHARGE OF THE PUBLICITY STUNT WERE CAUGHT OFF GUARD BY WHAT DAN CAN DO!" Found along with many other accusations here: http://www.eaglesdisobey.net/

Karen

08-09-2009, 08:55 PM

judykott

08-09-2009, 11:11 PM

YouTube - Reptilians in Disclosure Project: The twlight of the gods

:mfr_omg:

Unified Serenity

08-09-2009, 11:21 PM

Christo888

08-09-2009, 11:35 PM

Are they seriously showing wetting of their lips as some proof these people are reptilians? Ok, I guess I have no sense of humor, but this is the sort of video that makes truth seekers look like wackos.

Actually, US... over the years many videos depicting this habit of tongue flicks from some of the brightest minds will have you sitting back and pondering the implications of this as you say!!!

It is like someone who can't look you in the eyes when they are lying to you... they develop a twitch from the pressure of their own game they hope no one finds out about. But in this case perhaps evolution of snatching flys is peeking out behind the DNA.:lmao:

Think back about someone you know that was lying to you and when you finally found out you realized there were tell tale signs all along... you just didn't think it would be so easy to see. :wink2:

Now welcome yourself to how the brightest Wacko's in the world think!!!:lmfao:

Unified Serenity

08-09-2009, 11:50 PM

Christo888

08-10-2009, 12:03 AM

Laughing, I can believe it is a possible sign of being nervous, but I sure can't believe it's a sign of being a reptilian. Now, when some little thin forked tongue sticks out I will believe that! :lol3:

UH OH... I think you just challenged the gods of 'Murphy's Law' hiding within the scheme of disclosure. :lol3: All their tongues are going to start splitting in two and they will start dropping like flys from public view!:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Now look what you started. :lol3::mfr_lol:
:thumb_yello:

14 Chakras

08-10-2009, 12:17 AM

Are they seriously showing wetting of their lips as some proof these people are reptilians? Ok, I guess I have no sense of humor, but this is the sort of video that makes truth seekers look like wackos.

I posted something negative on the video posted above, but I'm erasing it because you never know with these things. Sometimes you really have to tune in and basically use your third eye to see what's going on behind the scenes. It's always possible a crappy video like that is inspired by something higher to drop a hint.

JesterTerrestrial

08-10-2009, 12:22 AM

I agree with the comments about the back drop looking a little un-prepared but the positioning of the people in the video were also kinda spread out.

Luminari

08-10-2009, 12:26 AM

Where did I see that - that Dr. Greer has always told people who inquired that Project Camelot is disinformation - every time.

This must be because of Bill Ryan's SERPO information which directly preceeded Project Camelot as we know it? If so I'm sure Bill was only following his nose and not deliberately trying to misdirect people.

What do you think is the primary root for the disinfo claims?

Obviously PC has had access since then to many wonderful interviewees Bill Holden, Bob Dean etc

Hiram

08-10-2009, 12:44 AM

I could not agree with you more Quantum.

What is at issue here, and I have stated this in other threads, is CONTROL OF INFORMATION. People who designate themselves as controllers of such, even when they say it is for "the peoples own good" have always, historically speaking, ended up holding everyone back. They have ended up hurting us.

We come here for the truth, we come to people such as Dr. Greer for the truth and we meet with more obfuscation, more of "well that has to be confidential for now" more of the same secrecy song and dance.

If there has to be a paradigm shift, that must be the the paradigm that is SHATTERED. We have no more time for such nonsense and I am often stunned that people in this community are still suffering for this nonsense.

Its as if they have become so accustomed to the status-quo, i.e. people telling them that information is being kept from them for their own good, that they are oblivious to the deranged logic of it. They just accept it.

We are not asking how to build a super-weapon, or how to destroy civilization, we are merely expecting those who are in "the know" who have a shred of human decency left, to inform us of information to which we are rightfully entitled....BECAUSE IT EFFECTS US EVERY DAY.

And I have one other thing to say on that matter. Every day one of these scum-bags who has the ability to truly release the free energy devices into this world refrains from doing so...every second they delay, some innocent is suffering in the third world for it. Some child is starving to death, some family is being broken apart.

We cannot move forward as a species until this is remedied. The secrecy must end and we must purge ourselves of it immediately. We should not tolerate anything but openness.

I can't help but think of DUNE...the desert planet.....and it finally raining after mellennia. Its what we need.

Unified Serenity

08-10-2009, 12:53 AM

To me it's just a power trip money making opportunity.

Hiram

08-10-2009, 01:03 AM

Indeed. And much more.

pushedforfreedom

08-10-2009, 01:21 AM

If you really want to enter a true observer mode, you should consider all possibilities from all spectrums of the scale, their implications, and how it makes you feel.

1. Project Camelot and Steven Greer are both genuine in their mission and are both working for the benefit of humans.

2. Project Camelot is a disinformation unit, for the purpose of making us believe there are negative ETs out there and we should be prepared to
"fight" them - leading to WWIII. Steven Greer is genuine and believes there are no negative ETs.

3. Project Camelot is genuine in seeking to warn us that there may be negative ETs among the positive ETs. Steven Greer is a disinforrmation agent who wishes us to accept all ETs to ease the heard to the "slaughter".

4. Project Camelot and Steven Greer are both disinformation agents who are taking opposing sides in an alternate media realm to use the common tactic of "divide and conquor"

One thing I am positive is that if I knew that this information was getting out, I would want a headman at each focus of alternative media so that an "accepted leader" can exercise disaster control.

Stay vigilant, and don't believe too much in one philosophy one way or another.

THE eXchanger

08-10-2009, 01:24 AM

e a one eyed snake front row center! :mfr_lol:

:mfr_lol:

Karen

08-10-2009, 01:51 AM

From:
http://projectcamelot.org/

9 August 2009
• For those of you who would like to see Steven Greer's presentation at the Barcelona conference, that video is now live on Youtube posted by the filmmaker, Daniel Bender. We encourage viewers to watch this as a companion piece to our "interview" with Steven Greer.

YouTube - Dr. Steven Greer presents "Contact & Disclosure: The Final Sequence"

~~~~~~~~~~~
9 August 2009

• "COINTELPRO is the FBI acronym for a series of covert action programs directed against domestic groups. In these programs, the Bureau went beyond the collection of intelligence to secret action defined to "disrupt" and "neutralize" target groups and individuals. The techniques were adopted wholesale from wartime counterintelligence." --the 1975 Church Committee

This is our reply to various goings on around the net today.

Unified Serenity

08-10-2009, 02:02 AM

Thanks Karen, btw your inbox is full :original:

tone3jaguar

08-10-2009, 02:06 AM

Where did I see that - that Dr. Greer has always told people who inquired that Project Camelot is disinformation - every time. And he claimed in the interview to never have disparaged them in any way.

He probably did this because he was aware that there was not a vetting process for Camelot Witnesses like there is for Disclosure Project Witnesses. If there is no proof that a person is who they say they are then the chances of disinformation are much greater. I am not saying that this was the case on all Camelot interviewees. Actually most of the Camelot interviews where provable legitimate people. But you know what they say, a few bad apples.....

14 Chakras

08-10-2009, 03:01 AM

He probably did this because he was aware that there was not a vetting process for Camelot Witnesses like there is for Disclosure Project Witnesses. If there is no proof that a person is who they say they are then the chances of disinformation are much greater. I am not saying that this was the case on all Camelot interviewees. Actually most of the Camelot interviews where provable legitimate people. But you know what they say, a few bad apples.....

Or, he's disinfo.

Or, he's working with a group of them to push forward their agenda, and he's in denial.

judykott

08-10-2009, 03:32 AM

Ouch! I agree, not that I wasted my time watching the whole thing, but I'm hoping this community is going to rise above this kind of stuff. I give this kind of video an F-. My only regret is I can't give it anything lower...

P.S. I'm talking about the You tube vid a couple of post up not the greer interview, which I haven't watched.

I found the video ironic, and decided to post the video without an explanation to get the response. I find it interesting that you would comment without seeing the full video, as it is sort of like calling an elephant a snake from feeling the trunk. It is even more humorous to me that you are posting on a thread you have not even bothered to watch the interview which it is about :lol3:.

I have noticed how expression is often of putting something else down in the process to have to grade it, or degrade it, in order to be in a superior position of above it. It is why I did not post on the ego thread as it seemed a bit of a pissing match at times of ego.:lmfao:. , it appears a delicate matter to talk of such a thing without showing it.

What I saw in the video was faces that looked silly at times as we all can with precise editing, I guess I often see the humor in things as I can easily see myself in things so by personally placing myself within the context somehow do not find it in offense. I thought about other video's out there that by editing, lighting, or photoshop making references to people in this same way, and how depending on whose faces they are depicting will influence how we feel about the video.

I look at all the stories that are told about aliens, reptilians, ufo's and interdimensionals and all those who are out there to marketing them, which for many is literally the bottom line of the venture. Many have very different views, many 180 degrees of the other.

I do not believe that many of them are blatantly out there to give disinformation, it just is the nature of the beast where things are so deeply hidden and so much hearsay passed as gospel. Basically it is like gossip everyone wants to think they have the inside scoop be in the know, it is a basic human nature. Disclosure Project is just a shell game of exposed nuggets of truth shuffled amongst nuggets of a very different nature :lol3:, but as in any game strict controls imposed on the slight of hand. Discernment is in order from all sides, as in anything and not getting attached to a position which then needs to be defended.:lightsabre:

I am trying to view things more in possibility, probability and potential modes as opposed to good/bad. Seems a bit more probable and possible that there are some agenda's of other entities that may not have best interests at heart.The stories that we were created slaves, by the reptilians, is something possible but not probable as it seems as if another agenda to make us feel unworthy or less than the divine beings I feel we are.

The reptilian brain is at the core of our brain, so to me if we were engineered from reptilians then if that was the more evolved brain in would be in the neo cortex place of our brains, not its primitive core based on survival needs. So to me the end of the clip was a good metaphor for that. The real alien agenda, is we are alienated from ourselves and our nature. People waiting for disclosure outside themselves,that is exactly what the PTW want, instead of us looking in own enclosure and perception of the miracles and wonders of our own bodies and the spirit it contains.

My view was the little clip was a metaphor of the larger clip, of the interview. The nature of the message was presented by the persona's, the egos, the tug of war and struggle over the carcass of what they each call truth, for one can never tell another their truth but lots of attempts to shred the others was attempted. :lol3:My mind and my heart will lead me places, from the perception of my experiences to ever changing moments of my truth, allowing for the wonder of all the possibilities, probabilities and potentiality in each and every glorious moment.

tone3jaguar

08-10-2009, 03:34 AM

I just watched the Greer presentation. I found nothing about it to be dangerous, and I have dealt with the higher dimensional negative entities for a while now. I know he said that there are no negative ET's. However, I think his frame of reference is 4th dimensional on that front because they are the only ones that are not conjecture. I know that the negative ET's from higher than 4th dimensional are real, but I can not prove it to anyone and neither can he. Therefore, he sticks to what he knows people will understand which are the ones we can see on camera. Even if he believed that the 5th dimensional negatives where real, the non-esoteric public would laugh in his face. It is his responsibility to make sure that does not happen.

14 Chakras

08-10-2009, 03:38 AM

tone3jaguar

08-10-2009, 04:00 AM

To further explain why I do not think that telling people that all ET's are good is dangerous...

If you are dealing with a negative entity, where it is from is irrelevant. I never even once thought of the negative entities that I dealt with over the years in the format of where they are from until recently. I did not even try to figure out what dimension they where from until recently. And that was after the worst of the direct contact had deminished. Moreover, the only reason I started looking at these things is because of curiosity.

It does not matter if they are from the center of the Earth or Orion, the tactics for dealing with such entities is the same regardless. All I ever tried to figure out was how negative they where, and I did not even need to know that until after an attack was extinguished. Logistically I still can not think of a reason why knowing where they are from would help you in dealing with such a thing.

Here is an analogy, If you are in a war and there is some crazy mo fo running strait at you with a big knife, is knowing which town he is from going to help you deal with the situation? No, you just point and shoot. Now I have learned that shooting back is not the way to go now days. However, you see my point?

judykott

08-10-2009, 04:02 AM

Hey in fairness, my initial response was knee jerk reaction, I apologies for that Judy, and I had already edited it before the reply, read above... :)

I'm commenting on the thread because of the claim "all et's are benevolent" and I have seen some of Greer's earlier work. I think to jump to a conclusion like that after years of research you have to ignore the experiences of literally thousands of others out there, including the many message boards that have people sharing their abduction experiences, and even many experiences that have been shared in this forum.

I have often had a case of knee jerk myself:lol3:, was in and out the room working on a response so did not see the edit:nono:. I believe the whole Disclosure Project has many, many levels of agenda's. It also opened my eyes about a few things or possibilities as well, and many head shakes of disbelieve over some of the statements.:naughty: Over the years I have learned it does not matter the personality of someone, or if I agree with what they say sometimes it can still be a valuable learning experience for those very reasons, a contrast makes an image clearer.

I just read Pushed for Freedoms post:thumb_yello:, very sensible summary for observation. I would love to hear of some of your experiences since implementing some of Greers's contact methods. I have heard from other's as well about the methods working but no real details, please share if you will. Thanks:original:

Christo888

08-10-2009, 04:05 AM

And T3J in the good Dr.s interview with B&K he explicitly describes electromagnetic technology that will create a demonic or negative energy or creature into a 3 Dimensional entity.

And he also re-quoted Kerry, in agreement with her I believe, "as above so below." So is it safe to assume that he would have to ponder eventually the point that Kerry was trying to make about negative ET's existence?

Once the definitions are all straightened out I suppose.:lol3:

Kerry wasn't doing this for fear mongering, she was doing it to ensure discernment and diligence in questioning who or what we all pay attention too now and in the future for what potentially may be unfolding either for real or staged or not at all.

Unified Serenity

08-10-2009, 04:08 AM

The reptilian brain is at the core of our brain, so to me if we were engineered from reptilians then if that was the more evolved brain in would be in the neo cortex place of our brains, not its primitive core based on survival needs.

That certainly is logical; however, what if they use the primitive motivations to their own ends which appear to be to feed off of lower emotions that are triggered in that area like terror, fear, rage? If they feed off of that energy and can trigger it via war, death, movie imagery, clandestine operations / abductions then it makes sense for it to work as it does by design.

This is just an alternative possibility based on my experiences over the years with negative entities mostly experienced in astral, though I have had direct contact with them in the past. I do not seem to be targeted by them now which I think is primarily due to my ability to get rid of them and help anyone else harassed by those types of beings. I have never seen a reptilian in person so I really cannot comment on their existence. I do know there are negative entities.

krystal

08-10-2009, 04:48 AM

I just felt that Stephen Greer came from a higher level of understanding and to understand at this level one must be vibrating at this frequency or else they will miss his important information and message. :lightsabre:

judykott

08-10-2009, 05:15 AM

That certainly is logical; however, what if they use the primitive motivations to their own ends which appear to be to feed off of lower emotions that are triggered in that area like terror, fear, rage? If they feed off of that energy and can trigger it via war, death, movie imagery, clandestine operations / abductions then it makes sense for it to work as it does by design.

This is just an alternative possibility based on my experiences over the years with negative entities mostly experienced in astral, though I have had direct contact with them in the past. I do not seem to be targeted by them now which I think is primarily due to my ability to get rid of them and help anyone else harassed by those types of beings. I have never seen a reptilian in person so I really cannot comment on their existence. I do know there are negative entities.

Interesting thoughts and questions. I guess it gets down to the questions are there reptilians? It is possible, but unfortunately with the genetic engineering, mind control and altering of memories what ones sees no longer holds the validity of what it once could of as definitive proof. Seeing is no longer believing, in some instances.

To me the story of reptilians is just as useful to the PTW as they control through those basic survival modes of operations, and many humans can be energy drainers just as an entity could and for the same function. It just seems the same stories of telling fearful stories, to hide what is within us our reptilian brain and its nature. Just as they crafted the language with trick words, so 180 is said of what one intends at times.

Manatees, dolphins, chimpanzees also have the reptilian brain stem so it seems as if it is part of the intelligent design of progression of evolution. I do not believe it logical for it as the basis of why we have it as well if we were engineered by Reptilians as a means of enslavement and control it just the function of basic needs. It seems to me just the nature of intelligent evolution design. I think survival of the fittest is overrated, and too simplistic for the real miracle of how we are created and designed.

I agree with entities existing. But then again with an entity I do not know if genetics would be available unless they were able to stabilize in form in 3-D, so feeding off of emotion and tragedy I could see but altering genetics, see probability of that low. All any of us can do is offer theory and speculation and what we see as truth of the moment, even what we can passionately believe in our hearts and have seen , I do not see that it can be held out as absolute truth,interesting speculations though. I have heard people over and over in my life be so absolutely steadfast in their "heart" in a belief or "truth" to have it blow up in their face. .:naughty:

TraineeHuman

08-10-2009, 05:28 AM

tone3jaguar, you’re probably the member of this Forum whom I would consider most obviously not a misinfo agent and also least likely to be swayed in any way by any possible outbursts from such agents. So it would be great if you can elaborate further.

One thing that comes to mind for me is the Taoist idea of wu wei, or non-reaction. Judo is based on this. The idea is, even if a being is negative, you initially show them positivity. Then, if they’re negative, that’s the quickest way to get them to show their hand. At which point you might decide to respond to their negativity with a judo throw, causing them to crash under their own momentum. “Love your enemies,” and so on.

14 Chakras

08-10-2009, 05:49 AM

Re. The reptilians created humans theory.

It might be worth considering that dark species do not create beautiful things, and life is beautiful if you are willing to look at it, it is ingenious how it all functions.

It would be a far more realistic assessment, imo, to consider reptilians may have altered the DNA to dumb it down, work out the spiritual centers and turn the greatness that the body was meant to be, into a short lived version focused on sex and war.

Now I'm not saying they succeeded, because we are about to raise up all of creation from within these beautiful bodies. Over time, we have evolved back the God centers where they are meant to be, and what's about to happen is the total raising and healing up of planet earth, by it's own inhabitants.

The aliens claiming they are our saviors either from ourselves or from other aliens, is the same lie from the beginning, that what we need is outside of us not inside.

Yes, it's all just an opinion until proven, but opinions are worth sharing and contemplating or this message board wouldn't be so active...

Jnana

08-10-2009, 05:55 AM

I just read Pushed for Freedoms post:thumb_yello:, very sensible summary for observation. I would love to hear of some of your experiences since implementing some of Greers's contact methods. I have heard from other's as well about the methods working but no real details, please share if you will. Thanks:original:

I don't know about Pushed for Freedom, but I have to admit that I am reluctant to post such details on this forum. It is simply not possible to do justice to the impact of such an experience in words. I don't really want to take the time to explain how I am certain that what I am seeing is not an airplane, satellite, shooting star, or something else. If you are out there with me and we both see the same thing, it's easy. If I know you have seen such a thing yourself, then we share an understanding. But I have no interest in responding to "debunkers" of any sort. I've seen too many attacks here.

I don't want to convince anyone that my experiences are real. I do want to generate enough interest so that people will try this for themselves and get their OWN experiences. As far as how to find out how to go about it, you can check my posts in this thread: The Latest from Steven Greer (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14076&highlight=Greer+Latest). Really, it's even easier than that. Just go outside under the stars and make a heartfelt request.

As far as what happens, you connect telepathically with ET beings, ask them to make their presence known if it is safe for them to do so, and they respond. Initial responses are typically in the physical, flashes or streaks in the sky, sometimes far, sometimes close, sometimes groups of lights moving together. Once people become accustomed to this there are sometimes rather more dramatic encounters. It depends very much on your level of consciousness and spirituality. Greer has described such an encounter that occured recently in his World Puja Network talks. Also look here: www.altenergy2012.com (http://www.altenergy2012.com). CSETI members can find my reports in a thread called "Central Indiana CSETI Working Group" on the CSETI discussion forum.

Greer will soon be publishing a new book about the CSETI experience. Although I have not seen it, I expect it will go into such encounters at great length. There is also a companion DVD. I'm not sure of the release date, but there is a workshop in October and attendees will be getting the book.

Since I attended CSETI training last fall, I have had numerous interactions of various types. It is very much a conversation, and a relationship of sorts is beginning to develop. The whole thing is absolutely mind blowing.

TPTB can shut down people who publish pictures or videos that show too much, or descriptions that tell too much, but they can't do a thing about the experience of your own eyes, heart, and mind. The vast majority of information to be found on the internet is garbage. The truth is out there. Remove the middle man and see for yourself.

Jnana

08-10-2009, 06:03 AM

And he also re-quoted Kerry, in agreement with her I believe, "as above so below." So is it safe to assume that he would have to ponder eventually the point that Kerry was trying to make about negative ET's existence?

Watch it again. He said "as below so above". His point was that we have to get our act together down here in order to be allowed to go up there.

I look at some of the discussion here and I have to wonder if people even saw the same video that I did.

pushedforfreedom

08-10-2009, 06:53 AM

I must agree with Jnana. The experiences that come from making a clear and conscious connection with life off the surface of this planet is very unique and personal to each person.

If you're really interested in taking part in something like that, it's worth looking into the CSETI initiative. I was at a point where I wanted something real that I could test for myself and use those concrete experiences to evaluate my beliefs. CSETI has definitely helped me do that.

Jnana is right. Most of it is 100% pure positive intention towards the benefit of this planet, and the evolution of her residents. Always maintain a frame of mind to convey a sense of welcome and non-hostility working towards building a relationship. And always keep in mind to thank them for interacting with you, but only if it is safe and appropriate for them to do so. Knowing your location on Earth, and being able to zoom to your location will help. There are other tools that can assist you as well.

The CSETI training kit will teach you what you need to know to be effective in the field, if you're serious about making contact.

As for my own experiences... I've seen very close ETV (ET vehicles), orbs, and I've also experienced physical manifestations close to my location on the ground. There's not much to debunk about the experience since anybody with the proper intentions can reproduce their own experiences if they want.

burgundia

08-10-2009, 08:09 AM

:original:

Ravens and Doves

08-10-2009, 08:17 AM

[QUOTE=Karen;160355]Hi Quantum, great to see you here!

Language barrier:
Paraphrase by me: When approached about a free energy device in the discussion Greer used that joke - "If I told you, I would have to kill you."

Hello Karen and kindly movie reviewers,

I've seen the phrase "...I would have to kill you." on more than one classified project flight jacket patch. Here's a link to some of the more esoteric ones. The phrase has morphed into a light hearted cliche. The journalists just didn't know that.

http://new.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/24/paglen.php

I was cold one night and wanted to wear my late uncle's jacket which I inherited. It had one of the original SR-71 patches on it. I was afraid if I wore it I'd get shot or something, so I tore it off. I could really kick myself for doing that now as they are highly collectible.

My uncle was so mind controlled it caused some rough drama after my father died and he became the "let's go fishing" man for my older brother and I. First stop, the spook lands of western Nevada. (after the air force he worked for Lockheed-Martin "skunk works" when the CIA had the "black bird" contract... funny thing - he always wore kaki pants and I'm as baffled as Miriam is about it (read her book, Blue Star if anybody here hasn't already. You won't be disapointed.)

The military is considered a human "institution," (like law, education or religion), but in the classified section of it, I don't know whether to call it a corps of defence or a mystical cult... or both.

Paul

micjer

08-10-2009, 12:56 PM

Just throwing this out there for discussion...

In my research they talk about the ET's that come from the Orion constellation as being negative ET's.

The Orion Civilization
The Orion civilization is primarily 89% Vegan in nature. Of that 89% Vegan genetics, we would say that 75% is of the human-type, Vegan-based genetics. The remaining 14% would be considered nonhuman-type Vegan genetics. Therefore, your stories of reptiles from Orion, although they are embellished somewhat (usually by the emotional body), are accurate because there are those nonhuman-type entities with Vegan-based genetics living within the Orion system (or have in the past) that account for those stories. Primarily it is Vegan in nature[/quote]

http://www.think-aboutit.com/aliens/orion_civilization.htm

Now if you are an UFO / ET expert why would you want to call your project the "Orion Project"!

And what about the series V that want people to believe that they come in good faith and are actually negative?

http://scifiwire.com/2009/05/new-trailer-for-abcs-v-is.php

Is V for vegan which are from the Orion constellation?

Are the PTB hiding the truth in the wide open again?

tone3jaguar

08-10-2009, 01:36 PM

[QUOTE=Christo888;160440]And T3J in the good Dr.s interview with B&K he explicitly describes electromagnetic technology that will create a demonic or negative energy or creature into a 3 Dimensional entity.

He said that they create sinister aliens with it. The kind of "ET" I am talking about are the higher dimensional ones that work with the negative occult leaders in the world today. I have never had any type of an abduction experience like he was talking about. The experiences I had where totally different and happened during normal waking reality. The Milabs stuff can probably created a fake Demon, however I experienced these things while in a normal waking state.

They did not involve being taken or experimented on in any way. They did however involve some really scary **** like every one in a room suddenly glazing over and staring at me. That would be one of the less scary stories.

Antara

08-10-2009, 04:24 PM

“we do not apologize for insisting on sharing equal ground with Greer to discuss this important subject. --Kerry”
My first thought after watching the video is that the only way Kerry can salvage the damage she did to Project Camelot is to apologize to Steven & her viewers, not for her words, but for how she constantly cut Steven Greer off. It was painful and disappointing and it’s a little sad to know that it won’t be coming. The fact that she continues to justify and rationalize cutting people off midsentence and ignores her viewers protests who want only for her to succeed in getting the word out and to not offend people in hordes reveals a blindspot that is detrimental to the cause.

Comment for Kerry:
My wish for you is that you look beyond “your point” and get that your point is coming out with such negative energy that it is drowning out the merits of your words. I believe all the forum members love you, truly respect your efforts, and want the best for you and Project Camelot. A suggestion - Perhaps, given your nature and tendencies, you shouldn’t interview guests when you are emotionally charged and don’t believe in them – hand the reins to Bill.

May only goodness and growth come of this - Antara

Antara

08-10-2009, 04:29 PM

Amen to that! It was painfully obvious that both parties came to this interview with a lot of baggage. PC has some resentment about the Greer camp calling PC Disinfo – and Greer was hurt by PC saying his stance on ET’s is insidious, etc. How human of them to be reactive and both want respect.

Once you put aside the personalities and egos and get to the meat of what is being presented (which is hard believe me), I walk away with some wonderful insights. They came from Steven. It was about the power of being positive, loving and hopeful and the importance of where we place our focus. And this, despite living in duality where negativity just IS.
Steven sharing his lion dream was a stroke of genius and inspiration -- it salvaged the interview for me. The message is KEY and exactly what humanity needs to remember for us to make this leap into the evolution of our world.

I would love for PCamelot & SGreer to offer us all a statement, now that things have cooled down, on their thoughts – not who is right or wrong, but something hopeful and uplifting despite the darkness, which yes Kerry & Bill, we all know is there.

Much love and respect to all, Antara

14 Chakras

08-10-2009, 05:06 PM

I have heard this argument a lot from people who are spiritual about Barack Obama:

'It's all about his vibration, it's so high. You need to have a high vibration to recognize it. Those who don't see it don't have a high enough vibration.'

It might be worth considering the Greer comments about vibration are similar. Not saying there is not some value in what he said, but I think it's worth considering that it is dangerous to assert that what Greer said is truth based on his vibration. I realize that's not the point that was made explicitly but it's important to make it clear. If any of many thousands of personal experiences and whistleblowers testimony is to be believed, there is a large contingent of ETs in the third dimension who are working against your soul evolution. You are going to ascend to a new 5 th with the new earth, why do you think these et's still live and act in the third dimension when you are about to evolve past it?

Whether or not we want to pretend there is no opposition to the earth's ascension, doesn't change whether there is opposition or not.

Whether or not you believe in germs, doesn't change the fact that they will make you sick if you don't wash your hands.

Greer apparently ignores all that's happening behind the scenes and the mind control that's going on both on individuals and society at large, and comes to the conclusion all the et's are benevolent.

There is an often overlooked whistleblower in this forum with very important experiences to share from a very high level. His name is James Casbolt, you might want to consider checking out his work. He is one of many.

Those connecting with ETs on psychic levels is a different story than what is happening here and now on this planet in the physical underground throughout the world.

You can see the people are deceived by their own governments and media, what makes you think ETs that connect and give messages so freely and easily are truly benevolent? What makes you think they don't have their own agenda?

I've read a lot of channeled information and my discernment tells me the majority of it has untruths mixed in with truths. Anything that is not leading you towards greater empowerment and connection to the source of all life within you, at the same time as overcoming your ego illusions, I believe can be very poisonous indeed.

It sounds like Kerry does need to work on protecting her energy field and coming up higher, as we all do. This will help out her interviews and the group move higher, since the interviews are one of the driving forces here, or at least they were when the community started. But my suggestion is don't judge a truth by who is the slickest speaker.

Northern Boy

08-10-2009, 05:14 PM

I thought this would have been over by now . Guess Not . In my opinion roughly 80% of The whistleblowers know more than they are telling us they treat us in much the same way as our governments . They trickle out the material to us and frankly listening to the same story`s over and over and over again is getting rather boring .If they don`t have any new information to share then maybe its time to look for newer whistleblowers that can add to what we already have been fed . If not then maybe its time to let this sleeping dog lye till they are ready to spill something new instead of dragging the same people around to conference after conference spouting the same stuff

celticwarrior

08-10-2009, 05:22 PM

This below from Steven Greer today. Will be interesting to listen without the interruptions
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World Puja Radio Show - Conversations with Dr. Steven Greer

World Puja Web site: http://www.WorldPuja.org

The August 14, 2009 show is an Update on Disclosure from Europe & the Paradigm of Good/Bad ETs. Listen to the archived show at: http://www.worldpuja.org/archives.php?list=host&value=steven&rnd=12576

Ihe last weekend of July there was a huge conference in Barcelona Spain to promote peaceful Disclosure. Dr. Greer was a headliner for the conference and he will bring you up to date on what happened there. He and Linda Willitts will discuss how it relates to CSETI's Disclosure efforts.

Conventional wisdom sets up a good ET / bad ET paradigm. Let's look at the truth of this view: where it came from and where it will lead us.

For more information please read Dr. Greer's paper - When Disclosure Serves Secrecy - available at www.DisclosureProject.org/writings.htm.

mntruthseeker

08-10-2009, 05:23 PM

tone3jaguar

08-10-2009, 06:00 PM

Thank you for the links Celtic Warrior, Now I have some interesting new material to listen to.

Unified Serenity

08-10-2009, 06:02 PM

I hope no one is offended by this analysis, but this is my take on watching the interview and looking at certain criteria.

I watched the interview to get some time hacks on who spoke when, how long, and what were the reasons for interruptions. Let me say that Mr. Greer was obviously offended by Kerry's using the word "insidious" regarding the comments made by him. She tried to deftly get past that by stating it was not personal or about Mr. Greer, but rather the affect of his "all ET's are positive" could have because to Bill and Kerry there is no definitive proof of that. Those are Mr. Greer's views and while He challenges them to prove a negative, where is the proof that all ET's are positive? He would have to have all knowledge and I do believe most reserve that status to God/Goddess.

On the flip side, it is just as insulting to accuse Bill and Kerry bringing up the possibility of negative oriented ET's of making "dangerous" comments. What is the difference between saying someone's comments are insidious vs. dangerous? None as far as I can tell, it's semantics.

I do appreciate the dynamic that Mr. Greer pointed out that people have for thousands of years turned to warfare and the us vs. them paradigm which is not the best way to live in a harmony. While he says it is possible that there could be negative ET's that has not been his experience nor the experience of thousands who have initiated contact via his methods. I will go so far as to say that even those awake to what is happening who are seeking truth if they were to hear Mr. Greer say, "Yes, there are people who have had negative personal experiences with ET's" would help germinate a seed of fear should contact come about, and that might turn into a violent reaction from us less evolved humans. We do have a track record, and if I were a capable explorer then I might not want to have such contact or help them. Much as when someone may try to help a drowning victim if untrained they may find themselves drowned in the end. We have shot them down, used weapons against them and therefore might they take precautions?

Mr. Greer also pointed out that if someone who did not understand medicine were to see him inserting a chest tube in a small child who is not sedated and screaming would think he were a monster, so might we think an ET is a monster who may be trying to save us. We are killing many species here every year, and we are killing each other.

I was not offended by Kerry or Bill's attempts to gain some control of the interview. They were interviewing Steven Greer for THEIR program. They have a right to talk! First off, I would say do NOT sit on either side of a guest because it puts the guest in the awkward position to keep turning their head to appear to be engaging both hosts. This would have been alleviated easily by Bill and Kerry sitting next to each other.

In the first roughly 30 minutes of the interview, Mr. Greer spoke for 22 minutes. Kerry's questions were on average of 44 seconds. On two occasions she or bill spoke for 1:35 and 1:10 while the other times were for 10 to 47 seconds. At one point Mr. Greer spoke without interruption for 7:10. He spoke another two times for 4:45 and 3:05 while his other responses were usually over a minute. I saw people comment on Kerry touching Mr. Greer's arm, but I noticed that Mr. Greer made the first invasion of personal space with Bill regarding his hat. This is all really silly because they are not arch enemies, just having a difference of opinion on one area. Yes, there was tension over it, but Mr. Greer made the first real invasion of personal space and I did not see anything aggressive from Kerry towards Mr. Greer in touching his arm (Or Bill for that matter) nor did she wag her finger at him, but raised a finger in emphasizing a point of fact in her views.

The last half of the interview was a pretty good give and take on both sides. It had some contention, but I do think Mr. Greer bears just as much responsibility for over-talking Kerry or Bill. He would talk for a minute and a half and get irritated when they wanted to interject something to deal with something he said and Mr. Greer accused them of not letting him speak! Had they not interrupted him, I doubt we would have gotten as much detail as we wanted as he could just talk and talk for an hour without a problem.

All in all, I think the interview was ok. It would have been much less uncomfortable to watch had B & K sat together and table would have been nice as well. The chairs looked uncomfortable and Mr. Greer appeared to not want to be there or appeared a "victim" in some aspect by his posture as if he were saying, "OK, I'm here, let's have it and get it over with". That would not have been as apparent had they been sitting at a table in a more professional setting.

14 Chakras

08-10-2009, 06:23 PM

US you sound like a sportscaster

Phtha

08-10-2009, 06:58 PM

The 'insidious' remark was probably the only reason that Greer did this interview. Very crafty on B & K's part. :naughty:

It is odd that Greer named one of his main projects the Orion Project, considering Orion is being portrayed as sort of the new age d-evil.

As someone mentioned, there is no doubt that the information being dis-closed is that which is carefully considered before hand.

We will probably never know whether Camelot or Greer are dis-info or not with 100% certainty, but one thing I know is that Greer hit the nail on the head by saying we need to become much more peaceful before we can progress. Or stop letting negative vibrations to in-flu-ence-za us so easily.:thumbdown:

I watched the interview to get some time hacks on who spoke when, how long, and what were the reasons for interruptions. Let me say that Mr. Greer was obviously offended by Kerry's using the word "insidious" regarding the comments made by him.

Jnana

08-10-2009, 07:33 PM

Those are Mr. Greer's views and while He challenges them to prove a negative, where is the proof that all ET's are positive?

Greer said "you can't prove a negative". In other words, he was admitting that he could not prove that "there are no hostile ETs" (which is a negative statement by virtue of the use of the word "no"). It was a concession, not a challenge. This phrase is sometimes used by atheists when admitting that you cannot prove that there is no god. Greer was raised as an atheist.

Unified Serenity

08-10-2009, 07:47 PM

I understand what you mean about proving a negative, but I do not think he meant it that way. He has said over and over to provide proof of a negative ET encounter and that they cannot prove it.

Just as he reversed Kerry's "as above so below" by saying, "as below so above" in reference to maybe it has been our dealings with them that have caused some less than enjoyable experiences on our part.

Phtha

08-10-2009, 08:18 PM

I don't think this was poster here yet.
12 minute press conference briefing by Greer in Barcelona:

YouTube - obama's staff briefed to the ufo topic by steven greer - press conference exopolitics 2009 - 1/2
YouTube - obama's staff briefed to the ufo topic by steven greer - press conference exopolitics 2009 - 2/2

micjer

08-10-2009, 08:23 PM

It reminds me of Bill Clinton...."I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

YouTube - Clinton, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman...

There are no hostile ET's. Please define hostile. Sure there is no open display of weapons, but.....

Unified Serenity

08-10-2009, 09:47 PM

I bring up this aspect of demons / entities to give an alternative explanation to what Dr. Greer has said regarding "Demons don't need UFO's to travel around in" along with the Annunaki information.

A. Is Dr. Greer still an athiest when it comes to believing in a God and demons (God's fallen children)?

B. Does Dr. Greer give any credence to the Annunaki Sumerian information?

If he does not accept a concept of God and demons then he won't really give credence to any biblical text. If he does not accept the Sumerian text regarding the Annunaki or the Mayans sky gods, then he won't listen to a negative ET idea either. I am pretty sure based on some of his interactions that he does give room for some negative entities who are not alien, but maybe stay in an astral realm unless they are brought out by some technology into the 3d realm.

The bible clearly says that God visited Ezekiel on earth by coming in a UFO. If God used a UFO then why wouldn't his / her children? The bible says they gave us secrets and there were offspring between human women and these male gods (fallen children) called Nephilim who were giants. They stood some 12 tro 15 feet tall, and Goliath was a descendant of them along with his 4 brothers.

There is archeological evidence of these giants. They had secret knowledge of the sciences including stars, medicine, music, fire, writing, government. The book of Enoch also speaks of these fallen ones and the hierarchy amongst them and that is where high magick of the Babylonians, Kaballah, and Masons comes from. The illuminati are said to serve these gods whose ultimate leader is Satan whom Ezekiel tells us is Lucifer one of the two morning stars. He was the most beautiful of all of God/dess' creation, perfect until pride was found in him. Then he fell and took a third of the children of God/dess with him, and has planned to overthrow God/dess realm since that time, and earth falls into that realm.

Corinthians tells us that Satan comes as an Angel (messenger) of light as a shining one. The original Chaldea for "snake" in Genesis is Nachash (Na Kash) and the accent used above that word in the manuscript is not translated snake but "shining one". Now, could it be that a shining one who is perfect in intelligence, cunning in speech, master manipulator able to cause a coup de tat in "heaven" might appear as a nice ET? I mean if I am an evil person and I want to destroy or take over an enemies land and use them, is it not better to have them run to me as a "friend" than see me as some evil dictator?

I am just throwing this out here to add something to the "all ET's are positive" with the idea that we may be involved in the highest sting operation of all time. What if this drama has been playing out for 20 or 30 thousand years, and we are finally in the final act of the play? There are many who report to having direct contact with higher density illuminated beings who warn us that we agreed to this 3d experience to grow and become creators within the Universe. That we could not understand the experience in our prior higher density state so we agreed to come to this being, Jehovah's, little realm, and in so doing lost much of our knowledge, but once we got here this Jehovah liked the game. This Jehovah has conned us through religion for eons and wiped our memories for the most part until in this final act we are waking up to who we truly are.

That in reality we are of a higher density than this 'Jehovah' and it is time to end the game and take what we have learned, but there is a possible trap for those not awake, and that if they follow these shining ones/ Annunaki, elohim/ gods we will find ourselves hitting 'restart' and have to go through another 20 or 30 thousand years to have a chance to get out of it. That earth is coming into a phase in the solar system that happens once every some 200 thousand years! That that is why we are in the final act, and there is so much activity and disinformation.

Have we been provided clues even in the bible and ancient texts? Have some come to us of truly higher density mind to show the way, and have warned us of this plan? Yes, we are positive loving beings, and the universe is full of them, but is there a place in our current experience of a Jehovah's realm and we are in the highest stakes poker game ever imagined?

I agree with Bill and Kerry, remain positive, but do not assume anything for nothing is proven one way or the other. For me, it is up to each of us to be vigilant and not put people in a false sense of security or a state of fear. Be awake, watch, prepare by raising our energy levels and walk in Divine oneness within the highest energy state possible. If we do this then we will not fall into the terrible paradigm that Dr. Greer seems to focus on and that is the us vs. them one that leads to more warfare and no enlightenment.

TraineeHuman

08-11-2009, 01:01 AM

Unified Serenity, my apologies if this is offensive to your beliefs, but do you know that JHWH (Jahweh / Jehovah) was apparently known as Satan or Satanael by the Sumerians and indeed in all surrounding countries? Even the ancient Jews / Israelites often used the name Seth as an alternative to JHWH.

Unified Serenity

08-11-2009, 02:03 AM

You do not offend me. I know this and think it is true, it does not mean there is not truth in the bible. The God of the NT is not the God of the OT. If they were the same then God seems schizo.

I think stories can be convoluted, and It is quite possible that the fall is dealing with a higher fall into which this system was taken over by Jehovah who worked this deal for a 3d experience with us.

I am just putting some thoughts out there to see some alternatives. I am open to hear what you think. As far as my beliefs go, I am a mystic and believe in ultimate Divine oneness with all even negative polarities. We are all on a path of growth, and I am pretty sure I have not always been an STO being, though in this life I pretty much have been from my earliest memories.

Oh, don't get me wrong, my biggest dilemma is still my ego. But over the last 10 years I feel as though it has been a time of great learning and an ability to enjoy the journey and admit when I don't know, am wrong, and focus on walking in unity whenever possible. My latest lesson has been really love those who don't love or like me. I actually appreciate when I encounter someone like that and can exercise loving them in spite of how they treat me. I am learning it in grace so as to not be a doormat. It's a wonderful experience.

Thanks again, and thank you for your tenderness in the reply you did give.

tone3jaguar

08-11-2009, 03:50 AM

He said he was raised athiest, he did not say he still is one.

Unified Serenity

08-11-2009, 03:56 AM

He said he was raised athiest, he did not say he still is one.

I do believe the following are what my ignorant mind calls questions:

A. Is Dr. Greer still an athiest when it comes to believing in a God and demons (God's fallen children)?

B. Does Dr. Greer give any credence to the Annunaki Sumerian information?

If he does not accept a concept of God and demons then he won't really give credence to any biblical text. If he does not accept the Sumerian text regarding the Annunaki or the Mayans sky gods, then he won't listen to a negative ET idea either.

I also though may ignorantly believe that beginning a statement with "If" means something that might be, not a definitive statement. Please inform me if I am as ignorant as you seem to think I am, and if so, please elucidate upon such knowledge so as I might become as wise and kind as you Tone3jaguar. I appreciate any help you may offer in this area.

14 Chakras

08-11-2009, 04:42 AM

Remaining off topic on the Jehovah stuff.

Consider Jehovah represents the God in the sky, the God that is outside of you. The God that judges your actions and rewards or punishes you based on whether you follow the rules and worship it in the right ways.

Consider the God outside of us is an illusion and one of it's names is Jehovah.

Karen

08-11-2009, 05:26 AM

Unified Serenity

08-11-2009, 05:40 AM

Thanks Karen.

I apologize for being terse.

Antonia

08-11-2009, 12:23 PM

I only came upon this thread last night and after watching Bill Kerry Steven in Barcelona and then Steven on his own and reading every ones comments I have to agree with Unified Serenity every were she speaks...

I have some further thoughts though... Was BIll and Hilary...The head of the CIA, pretending they didn't know??? Just to keep Steven greer sweet and then get off the hook, when every one gets mighty ****** at being lied to, when this whole thing goes public and blows??? I don't know maybe Bill was supprised to find out but, isn't Hilary a Rodham? According to some info (I don't know how accurate) The Rodhams are a big Luciferian family?

There is much info around about the majority of Nordics being pretend goodguys.... The Ashter Command and the Galactic federation being a false (Angelic) ascended master scam including Senanda on board the Capricorn etc.. and that the Ashtars being on the side of the more self serving Annunaki and the whole Anu plan to keep to harvest our souls in to their own paradigm matrix or keep us trapped in there lower dimentional universe?
They are ment to be very adept at creating feelings of love and rapture through their mind controlle technolagy?

Could Steven be fooled by these guys, in believing they are off the highest intent?
Maybe by now, after all this time they are? They have really fallen in love with their stolen creation ? Us and they want to keep us?
All the Sheldin Needle stuff with the Galactic federation seems very wise and of high intent... but then you have the Paladians warning us away from the Gallactic federation and then you have the Federation of light saying they are not the Gallactic federation and every body saying the other has an agenda...
In the question of good or bad, I think Steven is right...It's far more complecated ,every one , even us Earth humans, has an agenda that is in our own best interest and you only have to look at the humans on this planet. How many different philosaphy's religions, history's ideals, goals are there?
Each faction believes they are right.
I'd imagine a hundred trillion gallaxied universe would be a b...dy nightmare in the sense.
I would imagine there are many factions who are here and more or less on the path of "let humanity on Earth develope naturally but with our phillosaphy"

As for Reptillians... Why would we assume that all reptillians are bad? All humans aren't bad, although there are some very muderous , greedy, self serving and sadistic human factions on this planet.

Many channels claim there was a negitive faction of reptillians who caused an uprising in the Orion sector millions of years ago, resulting in the Orion wars which this planets occupation became a small part of. These negitive Reptillians, joined forces with a renigade faction of Nordics and they were the Sumerian Annunaki Gods.
(There are supposedly many beautiful light working reptillians who are amaizing Christed beings... Ra was supposedly one.)

There is supposed to peace in this sector of the Galaxy now, with Reptillians, humans, what ever else, working together but the rebels are still out there! And the Illumanati, still clinging to thier out dated controlle paradigm.

This could all be a load of tosh but many differnt channels tell the same story.

As for God in the bible... The old testiment is based on the Torah, there is 18 different words for God, which means that were GOd is mentioned it could be one of many people.. From Elohim (which in hebrew is female and plural) to Yaweh (Who many biblical historians equate with both Enlil and Anu, were Enki beacme Lucifer.... The torah was writen by the followers of Enlil, based on Sumerian legends... ie Eden Adam and Eve, Noah etc, so after the big family fued in the Anu camp the fact that Enki/Lucifer was villified makes sense... None of these character's in the Old testiment are GOD, big God, the creator of all things, they are Warlords Annunaki, who messed with us to create workers, but then felt deep responsibility to keep us on the right path and so created riligious dogma to frighten us in to towing the line... It must have been quite a frighting experiance to more or less create a race phiscally and then watch that race go awol and start killing plundering and raping and behaving like total thugs.... off course they stepped in and said if you do that, you'll go to a big bad place called hell when you die!! Here's my commandments to live by... on the punishment of death other wise these young un eveoleved humans would have told them where to go... and there would have been hell on Earth. Also remember this came in after the Atlantians had all but destroid the planet and them selves with techolagy so I would imagine these Anunaki would have been a bit scared of letting their new human race have acces to technolagy... This fear has lasted up untill today. Look at all these secret Balck opps programes? They still believ they know whats best for us and we can't be trusted with technolagy.
A bit like the USA trying to police Iran, and being very sactimonious about Atomic weapons in the "Wrong hands", and refusing to look at the fact that the only nation in the world who has ever used the darn things on another nation is the USA?
That type of mentality.

Back to the bible,The word in ancient Aromaic for worship, actually means work for....

The whole bible is about Aliens... Look at the angels... in the bible they are flesh and blood, always blond, and walk accross fields and sit down to dinner, in Sodom and GOmroah the angels even managed to be gang raped... they were pretty pised off... they nuked the place...

Any way I went of on a bit of a rant there but in the end I don't know whether Steven is telling the truth, has been conned or what the new alain agenda or agenda's are for this planet right now...

I'm not excusing the Annunaki here but I'm understaning were they were comming from in their controle through religious fear tactics...

I guess very few people or aliens are there cackeling away going "I am so eveil and bad ... lke MIng the merciless, every one believes in what they are doing... Some are very empathetic some beleive you have to be cruel to be kind and some believe in the preservation of their kind before any thing else

Maybe we Earth humans have indeed as Steven says... a chance to unite for real and show the universe that yes even with all this inerfeance, race mixture, dogma diference and influence from negitive and positive interdimentional enetities, that we can become one and Earth can become a shinning example of agains all the odds... There is no seperation... If we can do it... any one can do it! I like to think that that's the path..

Jnana

08-11-2009, 12:54 PM

A. Is Dr. Greer still an athiest when it comes to believing in a God and demons (God's fallen children)?

B. Does Dr. Greer give any credence to the Annunaki Sumerian information?

As for A, Dr. Greer had a near death experience at age 17 and has been on a spiritual path ever since. Dr. Greer's "Hidden Truth" book is in part an autobiography and he discusses his life experiences at some length. He also mentions bits and pieces in various talks available online. I think one of the most important thing to note is that Greer refers to advanced ET civilizations as "god-consciousness" civilizations, where every member is in constant contact with the divine. In his opinion, that is our destiny as well. What is often missing in the good ET/bad ET debate is a recognition of the divine aspects of the universe and how they interact with the physical aspects. Is there a divine plan guiding the evolution of civilizations?

As for B, I do not recall ever hearing Greer mentioning the Annunaki. I would not take this as evidence that he is unaware of such things.

It really isn't necessary to speculate on Greer's opinion on most matters. He hasn't been shy about publishing what he thinks in books, videos, and his radio shows. I would rather not provide my interpretation at length because he does a better job of this himself.

Unified Serenity

08-11-2009, 01:37 PM

Thanks Jnana for your input. I have not read his books though I would like to. I like Dr. Greer and can see his points and why he may take the stand he has taken. Now with regards to disclosure, I liked 777's comment that when we go to court we have discovery whereas disclosure is about deciding how much to tell us.

I would be much happier if these technologies would simply be laid out in the open at a conference, pictures displayed of the various Aliens, and let's just get it over with in regard to PROOF of what is what.

So far it seems we have to take various people's word for whatever agenda there is. The problem is many believe very strongly what they say and may be a mind control victim. I may be a mind control victim and not know it, though I don't have huge segments of time missing. I lost some 4 hours once during spiritual warfare and it felt like only a few minutes. But, would I say I was abducted? No, and I have zero recall of any abduction, but I have a LOT of recall of astral warfare and years spent in it without seeking it openly. Most people wake up before they die in a dream, not me. I have been shot, drowned, and just the other night I was some Asian male with my leg severed and I felt my life draining from me in a most real way. I was not happy about it.

My partner is out of town and my sleep cycle is not as good as normal and I have been avoiding sleep this past week because every time I do go to sleep I have been very active in astral and there seems to be a lot of stress there right now. Is that just reflecting my own stress and my dealing with it in sleep? Maybe, but some dreams are much to technicolor and feel like the older astral warfare type.

I am not afraid of ET's, and I really only care about dying because of my love and responsibility to my children. I am in heavy research mode at this time, and that may also be affecting my subconscious. Greer seems to be in that place of personal experience of knowing what he knows much as I am when it comes to ghosts and demons.

Until someone experiences them first hand it is a bit hard to accept. I know what I have experienced, and it seems Greer knows what he has and hence his somewhat condescending attitude in regard to when Bill and Kerry express dismay of his taking the "all ET"s are good" attitude.

tone3jaguar

08-11-2009, 02:34 PM

I have some further thoughts though... Was BIll and Hilary...The head of the CIA, pretending they didn't know??? Just to keep Steven greer sweet and then get off the hook, when every one gets mighty ****** at being lied to, when this whole thing goes public and blows??? I don't know maybe Bill was supprised to find out but, isn't Hilary a Rodham? According to some info (I don't know how accurate) The Rodhams are a big Luciferian family?

The Illuminati are not the ones in control of the super black technologies. The NWO and the Illuminati are now separate entities. They work together in some aspects like in the Federal Reserve. However, they have been at odds with each other for some time because they have similar but different philosophies on how the world should be run. So yes, the Rodham family are part of the Rothschilds and friends network of inbred lunatics. However, they only have access to the super black magic, not the super black technologies. She probably knows that it would be like starting a gang like war between the two sides if the super black tech crowd was exposed by the super black magic crowd. The retaliation would be the exposure of the power elites from the illuminati side and how they do what they do. She probably did not want to risk this because she was not authorized to. This type of move would have to be authorized by the top of the pyramid before one of the layers of the pyramid could follow through with it.

franciejones

08-11-2009, 05:52 PM

I think it is HILARIOUS and RIDICULOUS that Bill will be "interviewing" Kerry today on the radio show. I am guessing it is to once again "justify" the terrible behavior that all witnesses in that video with Greer. I wish like hell I could get back every cent that I gave PC over the last two years. It was a waste and I regret it wholeheartedly.

Sarahmay

08-11-2009, 06:03 PM

After viewing the Camelot interview, I have to say this was a huge missed opportunity. Greer had some interesting things to say, but spent most of the time defending his position...which we didn't even clearly get to hear. Very unprofessional...and not at all helpful.

Myplanet2

08-11-2009, 06:36 PM

franciejones

08-11-2009, 06:52 PM

hehehe MyPlanet2.

:original:

pineal-pilot-in merkabah

08-11-2009, 07:32 PM

im liking the then bill kerry interveiw.. sets the record straight.. i do however think that it was a bit wild for 1st timers to observe what they thought was an interveiw.. the easy thing to stop all this hoo haa would have been to call the video .. camelots debates greer.. easy peezy :)

Tango

08-11-2009, 08:34 PM

But, Francie don't you feel good that you were Part of a Whole in helping
in paying off her credit cards; helped her move from Sedona, AZ, Back to
LA La land Cali-for-nia, so she can work on the 'Valley Girl' thang; provided help in her going oversea's; so she could climb up on that stage ' Dragging poor art by the hand ' in front of stund, Bob Dean...

Question: Does that make us enablers...?

And that Rayedio show we pay for is the Bomb... [Rephrase; A Bomb.]

Here look at it like this: Each 1.00 bill is worth abt .08 each... It'll make
you feel better...

I do understand tho; I recovered yesterday... I had to walk it offf...

I also watched a Movie... Money Train [Chuckle]... Na, I lied abt the movie.
I really watched " Valley Girls." it made it alll understandable [Chuckle]...

Trooly,

Tango

I think it is HILARIOUS and RIDICULOUS that Bill will be "interviewing" Kerry today on the radio show. I am guessing it is to once again "justify" the terrible behavior that all witnesses in that video with Greer. I wish like hell I could get back every cent that I gave PC over the last two years. It was a waste and I regret it wholeheartedly.

Lightpotential

08-11-2009, 08:40 PM

Dear Group,

My view of the Dr. Greer interview is that overall it was indeed a bad interview. It has to be said that in the time leading up to the interview Kerry had posted some very negative remarks of Dr. Greer i.e. the “dangerous and insidious” comments on the Project Camelot home page. The other point is that it became clear – forcefully so as the interview progressed – that Kerry and Bill seemed intent upon ‘nailing’ Greer upon the issue of his expressed view that there were no ‘bad aliens’.

I think basically, it all boils down to the fact that Greer has a somewhat different perspective than Kerry and Bill, and that this is down to the type of witnesses that they have each interviewed and the contacts that they have made over the years. I would thus say that Greer’s view that there are no ‘bad aliens’ is a very carefully constructed THEORY based upon the evidence as he sees it. But that Kerry and Bill both, to my mind, hold to the view of the existence of ‘bad aliens’ due to their personal BELIEF in the truth of the testimony of certain of their most prominent witnesses. And here I would offer up the names of Henry Deacon and Dan Burisch.

Ravens and Doves

08-11-2009, 09:22 PM

Greer ended his talk with God bless you.
If that means anything.

And please let's not get sarcastic with each other.
I just hum a higher frequency when I want to make a snarky reply and can almost always overcome the temptation.

Please,
Karen

Thanks you pointing that out. We all love Bill and Kerry and I think a lot of got a little carried away in defending every stitch they sowed in the interview.

We all have to be bigger than the "us vs. them" mindset. That's what the NWO and military are looking to recruit: young minds raised on si fi zap-the-aliens-out-of-the-the-sky with a joy stick kind of gung-ho.

There sre a FEW rouge interdimensional greys and others that are in contact with the government, but in the bigger picture, there is more good than bad.

Interesting times we live, yes?

Paul

Hiram

08-11-2009, 09:59 PM

Interesting how people on here are enganging in the same debate B&K were engaging Dr. Greer with.

Each person is responsible for their own perceptions, and the way they approach those beings who inhabit their local Multi-verse. It is a wholly unique and personal experience. You are not here to convince others of your truth.

The debate is a bit trite really, and each of us will have a different take on this subject.

I also discourage some of the members here from "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" when is comes to Project Camelot. When you put people up on a pedastel you are bound to be dissappointed by them from time to time. Its inevitable. Lesson: Remember we are all human...with all due respect to those of you who are not:original:

THERE IS STILL MUCH TO BE GLEANED FROM BEING HERE, AND OUR CONNECTIONS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING ELSE ANYWAY. Don't let one bad interview spoil that for you. I.e. Please don't blow this out of proportion with the intention of splitting the members.

It's not a mature and objective way to approach this situation, and in truth, its an old Cointelpro "trick". Divide and conquer.

Luminari

08-12-2009, 12:14 AM

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww178/luminari_2009/disclosure_project_clarification.gif

Disclosure project issued this to PC..

Showing humilty and maturity as always.

Now will we see a PC issued apology for their behaviour?

Unlikely, as they are commited to have us all dwell in paranoia, and Steven Greer and also James Gilliland's (ask why they never released their interview with him) enlightened view of multi-dimensional and star visitors is unacceptable to their dualistic paradigm.

My 2 cents.

Luminari

08-12-2009, 12:21 AM

Steven Greer for President 2012!! :thumb_yello:

Who better to manage societal concern in a post-disclosure world than the guy who has helped us more than any other.

franciejones

08-12-2009, 01:13 AM

I did not know the interviewed James G.

I also was disgusted that Mega-Ego Kerry did not apologize to Greer.

I guess I am sickly fascinated as so many of their so called whistleblowers are so full of ****: HDeacon, (yes, I said it.....) Dan Burisch..(cannot believe ANYONE ever believed that joker) (oops, better be careful. I may get "moderated, Big Brother the control freak is always watching here)

And yes, it would appear PC wants a fear based cult OR something equally unreal.

I find it amazing after ALL the you tube comments (some of which were mine) that so many are saying how they loved the Greer interview. I thought I was in the company of "Free thinkers". But that cannot be the case with so many saying what they are on this thread of how they like the video. Its just another form of letting someone else think for you. See the flaws for what they are...don't you think???

I certainly do. I was a mindless follower.Thought PC was vetting their witnesses (for the most part)...not anymore. Perhaps that is why I sound so jaded...I feel betrayed by my own stupidity.

franciejones

08-12-2009, 01:17 AM

Steven Greer for President 2012!! :thumb_yello:

Who better to manage societal concern in a post-disclosure world than the guy who has helped us more than any other.

Gosh, I hope you are joking! He is an egomanic too! lol. Just classier than some:original:

Luminari

08-12-2009, 02:29 AM

That's the essence of the quarantine Greer talks about. There aren't ships with guns or frickin laser beams waiting to shoot us down if we try to escape earth. We simply won't find our way out of 3D without first finding unconditional love and compassion.

That excellent quote is from Myplanet2 from the 'other' Greer thread, the one with the smear campaign title. Thanks :thumb_yello:

Christo888

08-12-2009, 02:39 AM

Hiram

08-12-2009, 03:44 AM

krystal

08-12-2009, 10:35 AM

Wow, just heard the Radio interview by Bill with Kerry.... Geez Kerry.... it seems that you are not listening to your viewers and you are continuing to try to explain yourself and your modum of interview.... it won't make any difference now as you DO NOT WANT to listen even to our opinion..... well.... I used to think that you were a little bit enlightened but most of us now know different... Dr Greer is talking from a very high level and I understand why you and many others will never understand. He is totally correct in everything he said and a lot of us are at a higher level and we understand...... you do not have to explain and try and prove him wrong..... it's all about our own levels and the ones who are vibrating at this higher level will understand what I am saying. :mfr_omg: Also, he was not phased at all by you because he knows and feels at peace with himself and the Universe.

krystal

08-12-2009, 10:41 AM

The comment above is a very negatively oriented comment. The best thing to do in light of the interview, is to take it for what it is and move on now. Try to put the best foot forward an so on. To be quite honest, let's stop moping shall we?

These comments are not really assisting anyone here with moving forward in a positive direction. We've got to keep on moving forward:wink2:

As I understand it we are all entitled to our views... it's about Freedom isn't it? So why is someone always trying to stop others from expressing their views on this site and trying to always be niiiiiice! It's not about being nice it's about letting each person express their truth.

krystal

08-12-2009, 10:45 AM

enemyofNWO

08-12-2009, 12:14 PM

That excellent quote is from Myplanet2 from the 'other' Greer thread, the one with the smear campaign title. Thanks :thumb_yello:

Hi Luminari .

That bit of the " unconditional love " baffles me . Would you offer unconditional love to your torturer in Guantanamo bay or Abu Ghraib ?
I would not .
For the purpose of this debate I am going to quote a few paragraphs from
the book "Behold a Pale Horse " by author William Milton Cooper page 197 , 1991 edition ,Light Technology Publishing .

" An alien craft was found on February 13 , 1948 , on a mesa near Aztec, New Mexico . Another craft was located on March 25, 1948 , in White Sands Proving ground . It was 100 feet in diameter . A total of 17 alien bodies were recovered from those two crafts . Of even greater significance was the discovery of a large number of human body parts stored within both of these vehicles . A demon had reared its head and paranoia quickly took hold of everyone then "in the know " . The secret lid immediately became a Top Secret Lid and was screwd down tight . Te security blanket was even tighter
than that imposed upon the manhattan Project ".

So this put to rest the idea that there is no proof that some aliens are evil .

From the same book on page 213 , I will quote the following paragraph .
" The Moon , code named ADAM , was the object of primary interest , followed by the planet Mars , code named EYE . I am now in possession of official NASA photographs of one of the Moon bases . I believe that the Mars colony is also a reality " .

This would put to rest the " quarantine " debate in my view .

It seems to me that progress is 3 steps forward and 2 steps backwards with misinformation .

KellyNUTS

08-12-2009, 12:28 PM

I do not agree. I don't think any difficult questions were asked. It sounded like an hour was spent with Kerry defending what she posted about Greer on PC and trying to get him to say that what he said was "wrong" or "irresponsible". It did not seem like an interview or a debate. It seemed like an arguement and it was painful to watch
I feel exactly the same!!

Before the "debate" I had my reservations about Greer, but now I think he's totally legit!!
I think Bill & Kerry missed the "point" of what Greer was trying to get across in his speech. If people look at Greer like the Jesus of Disclosure then shame on them!! People need to listen to Greer (& other whistleblowers) and then make up their own mind!!

Wow, just heard the Radio interview by Bill with Kerry.... Geez Kerry.... it seems that you are not listening to your viewers and you are continuing to try to explain yourself and your modum of interview.... it won't make any difference now as you DO NOT WANT to listen even to our opinion..... well.... I used to think that you were a little bit enlightened but most of us now know different... Dr Greer is talking from a very high level and I understand why you and many others will never understand. He is totally correct in everything he said and a lot of us are at a higher level and we understand...... you do not have to explain and try and prove him wrong..... it's all about our own levels and the ones who are vibrating at this higher level will understand what I am saying. :mfr_omg: Also, he was not phased at all by you because he knows and feels at peace with himself and the Universe.

I also agree 110% with this!! Throughout the "debate" I kept saying to myself, I wonder if people will really understand with what Greer means by this and by that.

By the end of it all, I was very disappointed with the interview as I thought it was going to be like the other "Whistleblower" interviews and we were gonna get some tasty info, but all we got was a very repetitive debate.

Stargazer1965

08-13-2009, 12:46 AM

well its a good thing for his pants because with a pose like that you might just see a one eyed snake front row center! :mfr_lol: Was that Steven Greer or paris hilton?

I agree with the comments about the back drop looking a little un-prepared but the positioning of the people in the video were also kinda spread out.

I thought he was hiding a special guest....:roll1:

Stargazer1965

08-13-2009, 01:06 AM

Gosh, I hope you are joking! He is an egomanic too! lol. Just classier than some:original:

With an action packed indecipherable vocabulary.....

Hiram

08-13-2009, 01:28 AM

As I understand it we are all entitled to our views... it's about Freedom isn't it? So why is someone always trying to stop others from expressing their views on this site and trying to always be niiiiiice! It's not about being nice it's about letting each person express their truth.

Thank you for expressing that thought Krystal.

You're correct, its not about being nice
I was not discouraging her from expressing her truth. I'm just not certain that the tone of bemoanment that she was striking was adding anything productive to the dicourse...nice or mean...not really moving any direction.

Its important that when we express our own personal truths we don't stray too far into self-indulgence as it can become a drudge to others.:thumb_yello:

Then again, some individuals, when expressing their personal truths, don't really care whether its becoming a drudge to others. They are not really concerned about that. They are too busy expressing themselves.

Then there are another group of individuals, who don't absolve themselves of being considerate, just because they are on an internet forum. They still worry about those sorts of things.

Not about being nice...or mean. Just objective, basic manners.

KathyT

08-13-2009, 06:46 AM

The interview did serve a purpose… I learned more about Kerry (and Bill I guess). Each time I get to see someone talk with my own eyes, I learn much more about who they really are and what they're preaching.

Those who teach good communication skills talk about how dialogs are more than just words... that the unspoken communication (stance, hand movement, body language) is equally as much of the conversation. Did you notice Kerry waving her hands around? And touching him constantly?

And I’ve learned Dr. Greer is a class act. Thank you Dr. Greer for your compassion, your concerns, and efforts to do the right thing. Keep up your excellent work, Steven!

orthodoxymoron

08-13-2009, 09:21 AM

I haven't watched the entire interview...or read all of the comments...but here is a thought: What if the reptilians have had the upper hand here on Earth for thousands of years...but that we are too useful for them to exterminate (so far)...and/or their capabilities are somewhat limited...so that they have found it necessary to rule by secrecy? What if we have been building underground bases throughout the solar system for THEM? What if the secret space program is for THEM? What if we have been ignorantly and innocently worshipping THEM in our churches, synagogues, and mosques? What if Dr. Steven Greer believes that we are utterly $crewed if we don't do exactly what the reptilians tell us to do? What if he is serving as an Ambassador to the Human Race...to disclose the illusion of benevolent ET's...in the hope that the human race will not choose to resist open reptilian rule and their agenda of a New World Order...which might include the partial extermination and the complete enslavement of the human race? What if Dr. Greer is trying to help us in a strange sort of way? What if Bill and Kerry are simply trying to get at the facts...without spinning them? My take is that Steven knows exactly what is going on...and has a very firm grasp of the alien/ufo subject...but that he is placing a dishonestly positive spin on the subject because he is scared stiff of the reptilians. Bill and Kerry seem to have a more honest approach...but the interview seemed like a case study in frustration...and appeared to be out of control...at times. Read between the lines...to arrive at the truth of this very complex and potentially very dangerous subject. All three of them know a huge amount...and should be listened to very carefully. I like all three of them...but in very different ways.

We may be in more trouble than we think. We may be in more trouble than we can think. We may need to be very wise in order to weave our way out of what could be a very intricate mess. Trench warfare with the reps could be the end of us all. Bowing down and worshipping the reps could be the end of us all. I don't know. I am simply trying to think through various possible scenarios and realities. I am leaning toward a firm yet non-violent solution to all of this. At this point...I want to figure out how to convince the reps to leave. I don't want them to go away mad. I just want them to go away. I don't want them to be hurt or killed. I just want them...and us...to move past what could be billions of years of hatred, atrocities, wars, enslavements, etc, etc, etc. At the present time...I'm tending to think that we need to be separate but equal...and learn how to play nice and fair...before we openly interact in a fully integrated society of humans and reptilians. Maybe we need a couple of million years to cool down and settle down.

I'm currently thinking that removing all secrecy connected with angels, demons, extraterrestrials, interdimensionals, anti-gravity craft, secret space program, deep underground military bases, secret government, black projects, city-states, the true history of the human vs reptilian conflict, etc, etc, etc...PLUS basing the solar system on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...would create a situation where the reptilian race would find it advantageous for them to exit this solar system without harming us in any way. They need secrecy...and they need a theocracy. If we remove these two things...we will remove them. What if one dark night...half of the planets and moons in the solar system began moving away from the sun with all deliberate speed? An exorsolarcism? This is only conjecture. I probably have no idea what I am talking about. I just can't refrain from speculation...but maybe I should.

What do you think...Lucifer? Is this what you look like...but with a bit less melanin than you have perhaps? Did you notice that they deleted your YouTube comment? ('Y'all love fantisizing over my ancestral decorations, places, spirituality that you don't get, the greatness you won't achieve, and the melanin you'll never have. This depiction of my ancestors is pathetic. Y'all always make them look just as degenerative and recessive as you. Anyway, play and have fun as much as you still can. Yes you are running out of time, and to be honest, there is absolutly nothing you can do about it. I have no mercy, you lie and mock and blasphem all the way to hell.') If that wasn't you...does this comment reflect your attitude and intention?

Lucifer...I mean no respect or disrespect. I'm just trying to break the ice...which seems to be thicker than the polar ice caps. And by the way...detonating nukes under the polar ice caps to facilitate 'Earth Changes' would be a very, very bad idea. The point? This would not be in anyone's best interest. Wait a while.
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golden lady

08-13-2009, 02:05 PM

I think Kerry was caught up with winning the argument and frustrated by not getting Steven Greer to see it her way.
I hope this hasn't led to a lost opportunity which Camelot may not ever get back as I feel there was so much more ground to be covered. I did enjoy it though, more of discussion than an interview.
To some extent I think they are both right in as much as, to be so convinced there are no negative ETs does seem a little nieve and I can see how possible Bill and Kerry's perpective is different.
However, having said that, whatever type of ET turns up, I think Steven Greer is right in our approach has to be different. As he said otherwise we are just repeating the same old.
The whole thing is just so multi layered to find the truth, the real truth of it all, I guess only time will tell.
Till then.
LOve and peace
Golden

golden lady

08-13-2009, 02:14 PM

[QUOTE=orthodoxymoron;161237] What if Dr. Greer is trying to help us in a strange sort of way? What if Bill and Kerry are simply trying to get at the facts...without spinning them?

Good point

We may be in more trouble than we think. We may need to be very wise in order to weave our way out of what could be a very intricate mess.

I think you are on the button.

LOve and peace
Golden

Unified Serenity

08-13-2009, 02:36 PM

I just wish there were REAL disclosure on the gov't's part, and I won't hold my breath. For those of us who have researched the UFO and secret ops programs there hasn't been any real disclosure as far as I can tell.

I also note that those who have tried to bring real development of free energy out, they seem to die. Now, if someone has a real working model could call a press club meeting with plans and operating model to show to a large media they might have a chance of surviving, but it would take true sharing with the mass media to the public, and that really has not happened.

I could sum up what I have heard from Greer as:

1. We have been visited and here is my way of contacting them.

2. We need to change our way of dealing with problems and stop the us vs. them mentality and power struggles and work together as a species to better our world before we can work with enlightened beings as a world.

How he can talk for hours and really not say more than that is mind boggling to me, but I want more than what's been give for the past 20 years. I genuinely like Greer's messages, but I don't find much new in them. Has Greer shown pictures of his encounters up close and personal? I don't mean the laser pen and answers from UFO's a few hundred feet away, but real pictures of beings he has met.

So, those being my questions, I am led to wonder what the real agenda of Greer is. If he has technology, just call a major media conference (he seems to get access to them) and show us.

firefly

08-13-2009, 03:21 PM

Franky, Kerry has gone up 10 points in my book. I understand where she is coming from. What should have been said during that interview is,'how do we know that all the Et's that are in contact with humans are not just manipulating our thoughts' and this would explain why so many contactees have said that the Et's are benevolent. I think Dr. Greer is being manipulated by off world entities to help them make a smooth transition on the take over of our planet.

But I do not advocate violence of any sort, only in self defense and only if they try to eliminate us first.

Didn't Kerry mention that there are evil forces and whats to say that they cannot just take on any physical form that they choose, in order to deceive us?

I think Dr Greer's perspective on this whole issue is one of non spiritual and I think that is a mistake on his part.

You see, I was abducted by the grays and the only thing that stopped what they were trying to do to me. ( and I'm not sure what it was they were trying to do) but there were two entities wearing white coats. I recall trying to scream but no sound would come out. I was trying to invoke the name of God but my memory was being blocked. After what seemed like a terrifying time my memory broke through and I screamed out the name Jehovah and they took off in a flash.

Now I ask you! If they were benevolent why did they vanish at the sacred name of God and why did they have me there without my permission in the first place?

Sorry folks, I wish I could say that they are not hostile, I would really like to believe that they are all friendly, but I have to say they are not. Perhaps Orthodoxymoron 's perspective makes sense, and Kerry knows more than we do because she and Bill a searching for the truth as many of us are Dr. Greer on the other hand is only looking a the disclosure of Government cover ups in relation to the Et phenomenon. After all what is the explanation for all those missing people and children? if they are not hostile.

Love and friendship
firefly

Jnana

08-13-2009, 03:42 PM

Firefly, thanks for sharing your experiences. Sounds unpleasant to say the least.

I think Dr Greer's perspective on this whole issue is one of non spiritual and I think that is a mistake on his part.

If this is what you think, you need to spend more time looking into the matter. Nothing could be further from the truth. Don't take my word for it. Read Greer's "Hidden Truth: Forbidden Knowledge" book for starters. It's some pretty far-out stuff, and anything but non-spiritual.

After what seemed like a terrifying time my memory broke through and I screamed out the name Jehovah and they took off in a flash.

If defeating them is that easy, then what do we have to worry about? How could they possibly take over the planet if a few words will stop them? I'm not trying to deny or minimize your experience, I'm just pointing out that you succeded in defeating them, so why can't we all do the same?

It's a complex universe, and not everything non-human is ET. I honestly don't know how to classify "the tormenters".

This is a general comment - I've noticed a number of people saying things about Greer who obviously haven't taken much time to find out anything about the man. I'll admit he's an odd bird with an abrasive personality, but he has some very interesting things to say if you are willing to take the time to listen and/or read beyond this one interview. He is definitely NOT just about government disclosure. The whole CSETI program is about grass-roots disclosure and putting people like you and me into direct contact with ETs, bypassing all control structures including his own organization. It's definitely a spiritual experience.

franciejones

08-13-2009, 03:48 PM

With an action packed indecipherable vocabulary.....

I agree. I could not understand some of his words nor sound them out to look them up! So annoying. lol

Jnana

08-13-2009, 04:06 PM

I agree. I could not understand some of his words nor sound them out to look them up! So annoying. lol

Here's one of them: Eschatological (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Eschatological)

Stargazer1965

08-13-2009, 05:46 PM

Here's one of them: Eschatological (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Eschatological)

Thanks....whew....Dr Greer made me feel that my ginormous vocabulatory structurism was defaming my personage....:mfr_omg:

Lightpotential

08-13-2009, 09:05 PM

The whole issue of Greer’s view that there are no negative ETs is in fact quite simple to understand. And his position is very sound.

If one examines carefully the video, he states his position in terms of a very narrow context. When Greer says there are no negative ETs, he means in the sense of ETs that would overtly invade the earth in some way, a la “Independence Day” or “War of the Worlds”. And in stressing this he points out that as a result we should not be led down the path of SDI initiatives as would really be exploited for human control by the powers that be.

Now, with the above in mind, Greer does concede that there are negative aliens, but in this instance, as inter-dimensional beings that have negative encounters with humans. For me it is really that simple. I do not understand why Kerry and Bill did not seem to grasp these basic points.

LP

orthodoxymoron

08-13-2009, 09:22 PM

What if malevolent interdimensionals are masquerading as benevolent extraterrestrials? What if malevolent reptilians are masquerading as benevolent humans? This thing could get very, very confusing.

14 Chakras

08-13-2009, 10:03 PM

And in stressing this he points out that as a result we should not be led down the path of SDI initiatives as would really be exploited for human control by the powers that be.

Consider, the powers that be are ET, multi-dimensional shape shifters to be more exact, in addition to third dimensional et's like some greys, as other witnesses have experienced and vouched for.

Who believes that a conspiracy the size of the one we are facing can be managed and controlled by regular humans? Let's get real here. How much smarter would these humans have to be than say anyone you know??

Humans are in the trap, a matrix, the prison wardens that are trying to keep them there, are non-human, or humans working for the non-humans. All of which, at the higher levels, are feeding from the energy of the people trapped in the matrix themselves (the children of God trapped in the matrix).

That being said, what the prison wardens (ETs, PTB) haven't figured out, is that God has had a plan for this planet all along and the dark ones services are no longer needed here. Thank you and goodbye dark ones. However, please bend the knee on the way out and we can just chalk it all up to another experience in the schoolroom of infinity! * yes it will involve paying back the karma... but you'll be worked with to help do so.

Note that the dark ones still in embodiment also get the chance to start making good karma now by turning towards the light and helping work for the ascension of man rather than against it. There's a biblical line about that actually, it doesn't matter how long you've been toiling in the field for the master, just that you started toiling before the appointed time came... We've been able to play in the sandbox of duality in the third dimension (or the duality of the 4th or 5th) for a long time now, but it's now time to come up higher, that's how it works... as above so below, all about the cycles :)

Neo

08-14-2009, 12:07 AM

This 'interview' if you could call it that, was a wasted opportunity and unfortunately dominated by ego. Greer was asked for an interview and obliged, only then to be attacked cos his view didnt follow everyone elses. I was hoping to hear Dr Greers views and more up to date info..well he didnt get the chance.

Kerry needs to learn how to ask questions without her ego getting in the way.
An hour long argument is NOT an interview.

Unified Serenity

08-14-2009, 12:09 AM

Energetic equivalent to our oneness..... I will accept all hate mail:

YouTube - Gollum wins an Award

Jnana

08-14-2009, 12:39 AM

What if malevolent interdimensionals are masquerading as benevolent extraterrestrials? What if malevolent reptilians are masquerading as benevolent humans? This thing could get very, very confusing.

You mean it's not already confusing? What if humans are creating PLFs that are programmed to behave like malevolent interdimensionals masquerading as benevolent ETs who look exactly like humans except for their thumbs????? What if they are also programmed to ask "what if" all the time????? Quick, everybody look at your thumbs now....

firefly

08-14-2009, 02:08 AM

Consider, the powers that be are ET, multi-dimensional shape shifters to be more exact, in addition to third dimensional et's like some greys, as other witnesses have experienced and vouched for.

Who believes that a conspiracy the size of the one we are facing can be managed and controlled by regular humans? Let's get real here. How much smarter would these humans have to be than say anyone you know??

Humans are in the trap, a matrix, the prison wardens that are trying to keep them there, are non-human, or humans working for the non-humans. All of which, at the higher levels, are feeding from the energy of the people trapped in the matrix themselves (the children of God trapped in the matrix).

That being said, what the prison wardens (ETs, PTB) haven't figured out, is that God has had a plan for this planet all along and the dark ones services are no longer needed here. Thank you and goodbye dark ones. However, please bend the knee on the way out and we can just chalk it all up to another experience in the schoolroom of infinity! * yes it will involve paying back the karma... but you'll be worked with to help do so.

Note that the dark ones still in embodiment also get the chance to start making good karma now by turning towards the light and helping work for the ascension of man rather than against it. There's a biblical line about that actually, it doesn't matter how long you've been toiling in the field for the master, just that you started toiling before the appointed time came... We've been able to play in the sandbox of duality in the third dimension (or the duality of the 4th or 5th) for a long time now, but it's now time to come up higher, that's how it works... as above so below, all about the cycles :)

I have to agree with you 14 Chakras. And Jhana, I think we have forgotten the power of our creator God and the fact that we have free will and we are bringing this on ourselves because of our negative way of life and because we have not appreciated our Mother Earth. There are rules for which we must live by in order to have harmony on this planet and the negative energies, demons, ets, etc whatever you call them are manipulating us and feeding off of our negative energies and have been doing it for thousands of years. But I believe its all coming to an end and soon. George Kavassilas has some interesting concepts and you can visit his website www.georgekavassilas.org .

love and friendship
firefly

Christo888

08-14-2009, 02:15 AM

Cute Jnana!!!:lmfao:

The discussions are becoming a game as much as discerning the game through discussions... A wi-fi of 'what-ifs.' :lmao:

14 Chakras

08-14-2009, 04:43 AM

:mfr_lol:

Energetic equivalent to our oneness..... I will accept all hate mail:

Ravens and Doves

08-14-2009, 05:59 AM

Consider, the powers that be are ET, multi-dimensional shape shifters to be more exact, in addition to third dimensional et's like some greys, as other witnesses have experienced and vouched for.

Who believes that a conspiracy the size of the one we are facing can be managed and controlled by regular humans? Let's get real here. How much smarter would these humans have to be than say anyone you know??

Humans are in the trap, a matrix, the prison wardens that are trying to keep them there, are non-human, or humans working for the non-humans...
.:)

This is quite a thread. It brings back some very difficult, but ultimately very eye-opening expeirences.

There are more good ETs that bad ETs (and the variety of other entities and the humans that are being moved about their chess board). The fact remains, when one encounters a rough faction, the event is so overwhelmingly demonic that it's difficult for a person to see around it, so to
speak.

I was lucky as I had the clarity of mind - it being one to three days after the more powerful encounter with the good ones - who will ultimately have the upper hand afer the great, final test of this age is over with. It's a test that is being watched... one we must participate in to be considered worth a helping hand. The self-serving faction would rather we stay dumb. Little do they know; their existance is just as doomed as ours if they don't change their ways. We can help the human ones to the light, but their arrogance has been cemented in them through their in-bread generations).

I'm happy that there are a lot of people on this forum who see the bigger picture. I've been through a lot. Fear and mind control killed my lover 1982. She has told to take a loaded gun, put to her head and pull the trigger. She did just that.

I put the words "this as an NSA friendly site" in one of my web projects. Please don't think I'm a mole for them. It stems from my experience. A couple decades ago they (or an Illuminati faction in thier ranks) dipped into a psychic kettle that left a lot of dark echos that seemed to fall silent (for me, at least), for years, but are now bouncing about again because the age is closing and they better do something because they know (but won't addmit) that the better time line is not accomidating to anti-life adgendas.

Here's to Love,

Cheers,

(clink)

Paul

orthodoxymoron

08-14-2009, 06:43 AM

You mean it's not already confusing? What if humans are creating PLFs that are programmed to behave like malevolent interdimensionals masquerading as benevolent ETs who look exactly like humans except for their thumbs????? What if they are also programmed to ask "what if" all the time????? Quick, everybody look at your thumbs now....

Right now...for a lot of people...the information on this subject is second, third, or fourth hand...rather than being directly experienced. It seems that this may change in the near future. I agree that things are already confusing...but that it may become even more confusing as the general public begins to experience this phenomenon directly. Many people may go nuts...especially if complete economic collapse, civil unrest, martial law, suspension of the Constitution, FEMA camps, Earth changes, aliens coming out of the closet, etc...are part of the package. It may be a perfect storm of turmoil and confusion. I hope not.

About my 'what if' collective hive programming...I blame that on my chip infested second brain. Thumbs? I don't have thumbs. I'm so confused.

KellyNUTS

08-14-2009, 07:09 AM

This link may make things a little more clearer as to why Kerry may have switched her interviewing style after keeping it pretty much the same for all previous interviews!!

http://eaglesdisobey.net/

Read the update link in page(at top) & part 2 "Whos your daddy" on that main page!!!

Kerry may be working for the PTB without even knowing it?!?

burgundia

08-14-2009, 07:35 AM

Many people may go nuts...especially if complete economic collapse, civil unrest, martial law, suspension of the Constitution, FEMA camps, Earth changes, aliens coming out of the closet, etc...are part of the package. It may be a perfect storm of turmoil and confusion.

About my 'what if' collective hive programming...I blame that on my chip infested second brain. Thumbs? I don't have thumbs. I'm so confused.

And i guess you are using this board as your therapy by pouring out your stream of consciousness on the computer screen. Stop worrying about all those things you have mentioned above ( to me it looks like you want everybody here to concentrate on those issues, to steer everybody's attention in that direction...what for? to manifest all this?).
Stick with the American Constitution for the Solar System....it will be better for everybody.

Unified Serenity

08-14-2009, 08:52 AM

Wow, it does seem like a concerted effort to destroy PC and Kerry. I read the DB material of shared emails etc.. So according to DB, Kerry dissed BR, warned of problems between them, must be getting money from the dark side, calls us "children", gives out negatively charged crystals (by comparing same type of incident for another person) linked to the Illuminati and nefarious dark rituals so as to cause depression and suicidal tendencies. Let's see DB called Kerry a liar, cheap skate, victim of mind control and possible 'walk-in' and/or demon possession.

I think she's in a no win situation here. It appears there has been a systematic attack going on against PC and Kerry particularly. I mean Bill said he agreed with Kerry's positions yet no one seems bothered by Bill's views. The only thing Kerry can do is continue to interview people, put out great information, and be herself. This division must make the ptb very happy. Hmmm, Order out of Chaos anyone?

Myplanet2

08-14-2009, 12:31 PM

There's no need to speculate when discernment is available.

Kerry is not under anybodies control. But she's not under her own control either. She's in the middle of dealing with the subject matter of her lifes lesson, and go figure, she's refusing anyones placing control points on her, while placing them all around.

I had her looked over by a 9th dimensional Pleiadian group I have contact with (yes I can tell the difference), and they affirmed that Kerry is not under any entities control.

It's just her working her stuff out, while the recent waves of energy place increased demands that she do so.

That's paranoia coming from whoever suggests she's possessed.

Camelot/Avalon however are childs play for the PTB to steer and control, because so many members depend on "non-self" sources for discernment. It can't come from without.

It's obvious that a majority here still readily embrace PTB influence in their lives. From there, it just seeps in until there is a taint.

Anything Kerry is creating, Kerry is creating.

iainl140285

08-14-2009, 12:48 PM

I had her looked over by a 9th dimensional Pleiadian group I have contact with (yes I can tell the difference), and they affirmed that Kerry is not under any entities control.
Its nice you have access to such facilities

Camelot/Avalon however are childs play for the PTB to steer and control, because so many members depend on "non-self" sources for discernment. It can't come from without.

It's obvious that a majority here still readily embrace PTB influence in their lives. From there, it just seeps in until there is a taint.

Yes yes yes yes:thumb_yello:
So many are realising this now. :original: Makes me smile.

tone3jaguar

08-14-2009, 04:45 PM

Unified Serenity

08-14-2009, 06:42 PM

777 just posted this on the x-men thread:

Choosing sides (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=161560&postcount=1623)

Phtha

08-15-2009, 12:19 AM

And then the wolf said to the gingerbread man: "Jump on my nose so you will not get wet......." And that was the end of the gingerbread man.

Fairy tales are packed with wisdom. For arguments sake, assuming there really are ET's floating around Earth at this time , the best way to take us over with the least amount of hassle would be to make us blindly believe they are here to save us.

Talk is cheap.

If it comes down to it, you won't catch me hoppin' on any ship, that's for sure. :mfr_lol:

The whole issue of Greer’s view that there are no negative ETs is in fact quite simple to understand. And his position is very sound.
LP

mudra

08-15-2009, 12:47 AM

I would'nt qualify it an interview but rather a debate on divergent viewpoints.
Where both sides despite the tension between themselves managed to get their point across.
The accumulation of knowledge tends to bring one to hold convictions that he then has to defend.
This creates polarity . So within so without .
We will see less and less of these manifestations as the collective consciousness moves beyond
and a unifiying field is created .

http://vodpod.com/watch/308911-mastering-alchemy-sacred-geometry-energy-meditation

Loving kindness
mudra

Karen

08-15-2009, 02:28 AM

Clay Douglass and James Gilliland

In Thursday's show Bill and Kerry spoke with Militia leader Clay Douglas during the first hour. The militia is defined as every able-bodied male American between the ages of 18-45 that can be called up to defend fellow Americans. The militia members are not terrorists.

Clay was activated into this mission as a witness to the Waco massacre of about 100 people, 17 of them children. Clay has been publishing for 25 years and has been on the radio for 16 years. He spoke about passive resistance such as the Oathkeepers who pledge not to follow orders such as taking guns away from Americans. He says the banksters and the corporations are the real evil.

Liberty neighborhoods - turn your backyards into gardens and meet with your neighbors. Install wind and solar power at your homes, and become free from the power mongers.
Clay's website is http://freeamerican.com/

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Project-Camelot-32k-081309.mp3

In the second hour of the show, Bill and Kerry speak with James Gilliland of
http://www.eceti.org/. He agrees with B & K that there are (I forget the terms James used) "good and bad" aliens interacting here on earth, but that it is very easy to exclude the "bad" by the kind of energy you yourself hold and you can ask for help from any high spiritual master, and gave an example of calling upon Babaji [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babaji] for help. The degraded energy being simply stood there with it's head down and could not look up into this high energy of Babaji and my words now, simply wilted away.

James has insider information that deadly microbial agents and vaccines have been developed in an attempt to reduce the population. For those involved he says the severe karmic debt for these actions will have to paid and advises getting out while you can.

James ended with - the message from adepts from all advanced spiritual paths is to focus on love and joy and bliss until you become it. The path to enlightenment is so simple.

and much more - click at the halfway point to listen to James Gilliland.
http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Project-Camelot-32k-081309.mp3

TRANCOSO

08-15-2009, 10:52 AM

Today I've been listening to a 2 hour interview with the famous British author, UFO expert Timothy Good. (Who also happens to be a professional studio musician, playing violin on tracks of Depeche Mode, Phil Collins & Sir Paul McCartney)

Very interesting interview, with short, to the point questions & a very well informed Timothy Good giving long, to the point answers, talking about a wide variaty of subjects, that are all more or less connected with the 'disclosure' subject.

Not interrupted by commercial breaks, which makes a hell of a difference, because it's not an endless repetition of the same 'before & after the break' questions & answers.

Enjoy!

http://www.binnallofamerica.com/audio4.html

burgundia

08-15-2009, 11:06 AM

Yes yes yes yes:thumb_yello:
So many are realising this now. :original: Makes me smile.

it was the subject of my thread about us becoming wiser....:wink2: but somehow the posts there have steered away from it...

metaw3

08-18-2009, 10:57 PM

I am watching the interview. I had to stop and see if you were talking about it. I haven't read any post yet in this thread. Will do later. I'm at 30 minutes into the interview and I feel discomfort as I'm watching. It is completely inappropriate from Kerry to interrupt like this. I would apologize to Greer. I can clearly see where Greer is going and there is no need to interrupt him like this. Let Greer do the talk, and if you still feel that there are bad ETs, say so when Greer is done speaking.

voltron

08-18-2009, 11:52 PM

Notice the structure of an interview: One person asks the questions. The other person answers them. This gives an undue advantage to the Interviewer. They may withhold certain questions, or interrupt and not allow enough time to give a full answer. Also the person being interviewed cannot ask any questions! Think about this? I have always thought if I am being interviewed, I should be able to ask the Interviewer questions for the sake of clarity. Now we see in the Kerry, Bill and Steven Greer interview we see these rules being stretched and broken. I think what Kerry is establishing here is an informal style which allows for emotions and feelings to come into play. I think Steven was taken aback, but he defended himself very well. I am glad they all ended up friends when it was all over.

TRANCOSO

08-19-2009, 01:55 AM

I regularly work as a freelance editor for tv companies who produce talkshows & my specialty is the preparation of 'serious' interviews, with high profile guests. Rule one is to make sure that the host asks questions & only interrups when the answer he gets is not what he wants to hear, because it's not to the point & has no news value. When an interview becomes a conversation & a lot of what's been said by either guest or host, is wasting valuable time that could have been used better, someone should point that out. I have the feeling that Kerry is a bit to preoccupied with hearing her own voice. And you can't talk & listen at the same time.

mudra

08-19-2009, 07:18 AM

Bill Ryan interviews Kerry Cassidy as regard the way the talk with Steven Greer was conducted. Learn about the context of it .

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Project-Camelot-32k-081109.mp3

Love and kindness
mudra

jaby

08-19-2009, 03:58 PM

Watched the Greer 'interview' last night. And have read through this thread.

My initial reaction to the, ahem...interview that isn't called an interview now ...:original: was..that Steven Greer was very good and that Kerry was rattled and hostile. Obviously there is a personality clash (and baggage) there and what we saw was uncomfortable viewing. I actually wonder if Kerry is exhausted or is being 'got at' in some way....

This is how humans seem to operate...organizations are easily destroyed from within...due to in-fighting, ego and deliberate interference. I understand the 'bone of contention' ...but ....

In-fighting at the top....what a dream senario for the dis-information operatives. Something they have probably been working on for some time.

I could go on and on...but loads of points have been discussed in this thread already....

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I have just started to listen to the radio interview posted by Mudra...but it's hard going....so will finish listening later....so far it seems to be a hodge-podge of gossip and justification for recent events.

Near the beginning of the radio prog. Kerry made a statement that went something like...." We're fighting for humanity and sovereignty....."

That made me ponder the question......How far does the 'oneness' extend?

Does it just apply to the human (hybrid?) race?
Or does it encompass ALL beings...terrestrial and extraterrestrial.

I think this is what Greer was getting at in parts of the 'interview'.

If there is a quarantine for human earthlings...until we mature and become less dangerous...then this is a good thing, IMO.

The word 'dangerous' came up a lot in the 'interview'.......

Healthy, passionate (respectful) discussion is good. Confusion and division is NOT good. Balance and empathy is needed.

So........in conclusion......Steven, Kerry and Bill have given the world a LOT.

I sincerely thank them for that.......The Disclosure Project and Project Camelot kick-started a paradigm shift for me.

I LOVE you Steven, Kerry and Bill.

Keep on keeping on.

Onwards ever onwards.

Hold on...the only way is up....

YouTube - Yazz - The Only Way Is Up

James Casbolt

08-20-2009, 01:19 PM

jaby

08-20-2009, 02:46 PM

I heard that Dr Greer was talking about Stargates recently. I thought i'd bring people's attention to a photograph of the Looking Glass machine used by MAJ to open up stargates

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=162874&posted=1#post162874

Thanks for that James....

I have just watched this video on YouTube....about you.

YouTube - James Casbolt Underground Bases, Missing Children and ET's What you need to Know for your Future.

In the 'Steven Geer v Kerry and Bill' interview/discussion/ding-dong...
Steven said that the 'greys' are not ET and that they are genetically manipulated beings made by humans. I have not made my mind up about this yet...but this is something that I have considered to be possible. It reasonates for me.

What do you think....are the 'greys' some kind of exotic, maybe interdimensional hybrid/clones....?

Could genetic material have been used from ET bodies that came from a crashed craft...and has been messed about with secretly for the last 50 + years...?

Noela

08-22-2009, 04:52 PM

That is what the politicians call "a full and frank discussion".

Actually I found it much more interesting, and at times, inspiring
than I had anticipated having read the reactions of previous posters.

Kerry may have some points in the position she is taking, but
overall I entirely support Dr. Greer in his views and his outlook
for the future.

I feel the danger lies in Kerry's position - in that a negative
outlook allows for the possibility of a negative outcome

I do not think this will be the case, and this is where I found
Dr. Greer's vision of a time of universal peace inspiring, given
the fact that he is in a position to influence a great many people.

:thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yell o:

Happily, this may have cleared the air a bit between P.C and
Dr. Greer. I particularly noticed Kerry's continual reaching out
and touching Dr. Greer. Not the sort of body language one uses
when in total animosity!

Myplanet2

08-22-2009, 05:44 PM

This forum would be a different place if more was known about how the law of attraction actually works.

14 Chakras

08-22-2009, 07:09 PM

If you ignore the fact that there are germs, and you stop washing your hands, but you just try and positively focus on health, does that mean you won't get sick?

For me, it's important to be practical realist here.

Let's consider the possibility that Arizona Wilder's interview with David Eycke is legitimate:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14377&highlight=wilder

, and that we do have shape shifting jerky aliens in charge of large portions of our governments.

Will the world be saved if we just ignore reality and focus on the light?

More importantly, if we are ignorant about what various aliens motivations are, is it possible when we are focused on the 'light' we may be focused on a false light?

For example, if aliens revealed themselves and pitched we just needed to join their club or get into their spaceship and they sold it all nice, like our governments sell their programs all nice to us, is it possible we would be more likely to be duped if we just ignored the possibility that they may not have our best interest at heart?

Consider in the star wars universe how the Jedi get duped when fighting for the 'republic'. The republic sounds great and all nice, just like the United Nations does, or perhaps like Ashtar and the 'galactic federation' does, but in reality it was run by the darkest of the dark.

It is very important to achieve discernment before blindly focusing on the light, because if we focus on a false light, then we will be feeding the darkness and the problem.

Let's not get duped like the Jedi were who fought for the republic only to be killed and see the republic turn into the disease of the 'new galactic empire'.

If there are nasty aliens running the show on planet earth in part right now, let's not pretend otherwise, let's just look for the true light, which is definitely there as we can all feel it inside of us!

The true light comes from the higher realms, and it is worth considering the earth will be saved not by some alien pacts, but by humans connecting to the true light within themselves beyond the illusions of the human ego.

We are co-creators, and this is our world to take dominion over, we just have to take our power back through the Self Realization of who we really are.

In addition, if we are going to focus on working with the light, then why should we keep our attention on et's who may or may not have our best interest at heart, when we can be focused on working with the ascended host, like Archangel Michael, to help us bring in the change that is necessary to help raise up this planet.

333mark333

08-22-2009, 08:20 PM

This forum would be a different place if more was known about how the law of attraction actually works.

Exactly..:thumb_yello: Back to quantum physics from this perception, to I it is the Fundamental.

Carmen

08-22-2009, 10:05 PM

TheChosen

08-22-2009, 11:02 PM

The 'interview' itself was quite fine and had good arguments on both sides. However I keep noticing these huge little holes.. Small but very important in Dr. Greer's reasoning.

He has experienced inter dimensional 'negative' entities.. but is under the impression that interdimensional is very different than extra terrestrial , while at the same time agreeing that the ET's are multidimensional.

Who is to say that some of those 'negative' interdimensional entities are not in fact ETs that have shifted on those frequencies? To pu it simply , ETs can move in and out of our earthly astral realms.

tone3jaguar

08-23-2009, 12:31 PM

[QUOTE=14 Chakras;163390]If you ignore the fact that there are germs, and you stop washing your hands, but you just try and positively focus on health, does that mean you won't get sick?

Yes and no, if one only focuses on health and does nothing else to raise their vibrational frequency then they will still get sick. If they do the spiritual work that is needed for them then they will more times than not avoid getting sick. There are no silver bullets.

Will the world be saved if we just ignore reality and focus on the light?

No, we are not here to ignore reality. We are here to learn from it.

More importantly, if we are ignorant about what various aliens motivations are, is it possible when we are focused on the 'light' we may be focused on a false light?

There have been false "illuminated" beings that have already tricked huge numbers of people into following their agenda, ex. (lucifer) It is possible for some to focus on a false light. This is the danger of deification of higher dimensional entities. The ones that are of the light require zero worship.

jaby

08-23-2009, 01:04 PM

I thought that the most important/pertinent part of this interview was Steven Greer's description of his 'dream' of the lions at the end of the interview. I like to take a learning from my studies, and the 'dream' was it.

Cheers

Carmen

I LOVED that bit.

I had an experience in a dream that was similar....but not very pleasant like with the lions...but the 'concept' of emotional control in lucid-type dreams was the same.

My dream was like a very deliberate psychic attack on me. Old fashioned Victorian sitting room setting. Someone indistinct was there...but I knew that they were very unpleasant and they were there to drain me or get me in some way. I remembered not to be afraid...and I deliberately maintained a sustained controlled emotional state....not letting 'them' affect me. It was a battle of wills with this 'entity' (me maintaining a no-fear thing) and at it's height I had heat and steam coming from the palms of my hands. Then I woke up. But I could feel a sensation on my palms for a few hours while I was awake.

Bit of a dream ramble there. lol.

I also noted that Steven Greer had this dream while he was in Wiltshire.
The Avebury/Vale of Pewsey area of Wilts is a very special area and almost certainly a major energy vortex place. Maybe not so strong now, as it was in it's hay-day....when the ancient monuments were active and in full swing. But still a place where the veil between the different dimensions is thinner. IMO.

:thumb_yello:

SWIFT

08-23-2009, 01:11 PM

Hi Everyone,
The Dr Greer , Bill and Kerry PC interview was quite intresting after reading the transcripts which showed a different version of events (thankyou PC). I must admit I found the method of the interview a bit disturbing from PC point of view. However, after reading the transcripts must say Kerry did a great job in retreving the information from Dr Greer. The facts that needed to be answered by all is how is discloure going come out if we are fighting among ourselves? Secondly PC are doing there best and are facing a properganda machine which can call on huge amounts of funding which is preventing the truth being revaled. Thridly, there are people facing threats from forces which are not freindly and maybe from outside our domain and we need to beware of this danger which might threaten our humanity.

The brave people (whitehats as states PC) are trying to give us the information which is greatful and the brave teams of Project Camerlot ,Coast to Coast , Mr Kevin Smith Show and the Veritas Show are great platforms for send the message for full disclousre which thank goodness they are here.

Peace
SWIFT

Luminari

08-23-2009, 01:33 PM

Will the world be saved if we just ignore reality and focus on the light?

“The Mind in which you seek is the Mind in which you connect”

“If you have a mindset where everything’s a threat or everything’s fearful. That’s what you’re going to experience..

If you have an extremely spiritual mindset in which you are creating universal love and want to experience the higher dimensions. That is what you are going to experience.”

James Gilliland –
Science, Spirit and World Transformation Conference 2009

orthodoxymoron

08-23-2009, 02:35 PM

jaby: I liked what you had to say.

Are we primarily dealing with humans vs reptilians here on Earth? Are reptilians both physical and spiritual...or just spiritual? Are greys a laboratory creation to provide bodies for reptilians? What evidence do we have for physical reptilians? Have reptilians been found in crashed ufo's? There is a biblical basis for reptilians...but not for greys. Are reptilians physical on another dimension...which is spiritual to us? Remember the crazy ex Area 51 worker who called Art Bell...saying that ET's were extradimensional...and then the whole radio program went off the air? Even if the call was a hoax (which it probably was)...someone pulled the plug on the show. Does this indicate some truth to what the caller claimed? Leo Zagami claimed that aliens were a cover for demons. A Lt. Col. being interviewed by Daniel Ott...claimed that reptilians were demons...and that he was instructed not to talk about Jesus when approaching a reptilian. Can reptilians possess a human being...but not incarnate into a human body which does not possess a human soul? My mind is not made up at all regarding this subject...but I suspect that reptilians...in physical or spiritual form...are in control of the darkest projects of the military industrial complex...worldwide...and that they are the real head of the secret government...worldwide. I'm presently leaning toward completely removing all secrecy surrounding aliens and ufo's...and basing globalism on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in a non-nationalistic manner. And then breathing life into it with humanistic spirituality...recognizing the divinity within all of humanity. This would be in opposition to a global alien theocracy aka the New World Order. I could be very wrong and deluded...but I tend to think that this would break the back of this present darkness. Our ultimate enemies are not human beings...even the corrupt people who have sold us out. Global Exorcism anyone?

It is important to look at everything from all angles all the time. It is important to think positively and negatively about a subject...and then focus on the positive. Don't get stuck on positive or negative...but always end on a positive note. :trumpet:

YouTube - Area 51 : The Frantic Caller
YouTube - January 26th, 2008 - Part 2 (2nd Interview)
YouTube - Leo Zagami Admits Demonic Possession but fights satanists
YouTube - Satan in the Vatican

krystal

08-31-2009, 01:48 AM

The simple solution to everything is BE VEG, GO GREEN SAVE ALL BEINGS AND OURSELVES! ONLY THEN THERE WILL BE PEACE ON THIS EARTH!

Unified Serenity

08-31-2009, 03:22 AM

“The Mind in which you seek is the Mind in which you connect”

“If you have a mindset where everything’s a threat or everything’s fearful. That’s what you’re going to experience..

If you have an extremely spiritual mindset in which you are creating universal love and want to experience the higher dimensions. That is what you are going to experience.”

James Gilliland –
Science, Spirit and World Transformation Conference 2009

Did the Inca's create the Spanish? Did the Inca's bring about their own doom? They could not even see the ships in front of them in the water. The mayhem still followed despite the Inca's intentions.

Unified Serenity

08-31-2009, 04:26 AM

YouTube - Satan in the Vatican (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Cq7gx22S0)

I watched this video and then clicked on some of the other Ratzinger clips. If you look at the ones from his earlier years as cardinal and priest he looks like a completely different man. It makes me wonder just what this man has gone through. Something happened to him.

I won't judge his being a Hitler youth because many were put into that group who did not agree with a Hitler's plans. I don't know if Ratzinger has ever said he supported Hitler. I wonder what sort of troubles those in the higher positions in the church suffer. Is the Pope even the same man as the younger Ratzinger or are we looking at a bad clone?

Malynda

08-31-2009, 04:38 AM

Is the Pope even the same man as the younger Ratzinger or are we looking at a bad clone?

Or are we looking at the emperor from Star Wars? :lol3: Sorry, he just really looks like him to me and I couldn't resist.

Unified Serenity

08-31-2009, 05:21 AM

Or are we looking at the emperor from Star Wars? :lol3: Sorry, he just really looks like him to me and I couldn't resist.

He looks Like Uncle Fester on the Adams Family to me.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8a/Lloyd_fester.JPG Fester

http://www.ptank.com/bucket/catsynth_images/palp.jpg

Hmmm, he really needs a oxygen facial peel, some Blepharoplasty Surgery of Lower Lids, and maybe a touch of botox...

I know I know... I'm not being nice.... goes off now to contemplate. He does look like the evil emperor.

Malynda

08-31-2009, 05:27 AM

He looks Like Uncle Fester on the Adams Family to me.

:mfr_omg: Good one! Never thought of that but dang, that's so true! :lmao:

14 Chakras

09-01-2009, 06:27 AM

This link: http://montalk.net/alien/148/discerning-alien-disinformation-part-4

is VERY VERY VERY RELEVANT to this thread...

(Well, frankly, we should read this whole article, not just part 4: http://montalk.net/alien/145/discerning-alien-disinformation-part-1

It's certainly not to breed fear to look at what's actually happening, it is however, to help us understand what's the true agenda so we don't get stuck supporting an agenda that is not in our best interest.

I've said it before and I'll definitely say it again, if anyone is feeling any interference or opposition from ET's or negative energies, I highly suggest working with Archangel Michael to help cut you free from that opposition and protect you and your family. If you are facing opposition or ET interference, give him a try and see how it goes.

I've created a page on spiritual protection here that will definitely help you achieve protection if that is something you are interested in:

http://www.squidoo.com/archangel-michael

The reason I'm posting the Archangel Michael stuff is because the reality is as you climb higher on the path and get closer to truth, it is certainly ideal to feel and be protected rather than to be just blowing in the wind... Fear is totally unnecessary, but making calls for your protection does go a long way, and it frees you up to focus on the light, and maintaining a high vibration while being wise and serpents and understanding the dark. :lightsabre:

Please note, spiritual protection is an ongoing daily activity, not a one time thing, but you have to start somewhere right? So consider trying it and seeing how it goes. If you find it's working, then consider making it a part of your daily routine.

(If Archangel Michael is just too controversial for you, then consider working with Jesus, but make very specific calls for protection daily and ask him to show you the truth, not just confirm your pre-conceived beliefs).

P.S. As for the top link the montalk article, I'm not saying I support all of the authors viewpoints on spirituality and all the details he lays out. However, I think he does a very clear job in enunciating what kind of manipulation techniques the ET's are using and some of their plots, plans and conspiracies. I think he shines a light quite brightly on some of that and very much worth some study.

In addition, this link: http://montalk.net/matrix is EXCELLENT for helping you understand a bit of the opposition you personally face as you make progress on the path. Again, I personally cannot recommend working with Archangel Michael enough to help you pass through this opposition and be as totally protected as your free will allows along your path.

246

09-15-2009, 09:57 PM

It's sept 15th, just heard the mp3 of the Greer interview for the first time. I respect Kerry and Bill for all they've done, but... It wasnt an interview it was a personal attack. An effective way to attack someone is to take one little thing they said publicly and mercilessly harrass them without letting them respond until they agree they are wrong. That's not fair.

When I was in art college I would learn everything I could from each Professor, even emulating them to a certain point. The reason I did that was to learn a valuable new perspective on art that I hadnt seen before. It got me thinking in entirely new ways every time.

Most of the interviews with Bill and Kerry have been great, letting the person give their views and perspective. But this one was just an attack.

I think in a crazy violent World like the one that exists on this planet right now where everyone disagrees on pretty much everything, the only logical agreement we can make is the agreement to disagree. And have the right to be left alone if you disagree. And I think if you approach someone to interview them with conflicting views, then you should at least let them have their say. Greer was right. He said "I'm the one being interviewed here" You guys approached him, not the other way around.

As for the content, I am now more interested in what he has to say because of this interview. I do believe the Earth is being quarantened until we become more peaceful. I mean, look at us, this planet is a mess. Would you want to establish relations with such a psychotic planet? Look at what we do to ourselves and each other. I think the Universe finds us horrifying more than anything. I know I'm horrified. I wouldnt want our civilization running around the galaxy starting ideological wars, or engaging the rest of the Universe. If anything, we're more of a threat to the E.T.'s than they are to us. We're more of a threat to each other than the E.T.'s are to us.

Maybe also, Kerry was right in the sense that maybe negative E.T.'s are playing us off against each other. I know one thing, whoever IS in charge of this planet is really messed up and must be stopped (and it isnt me). The only way to know for certain who is in charge is full disclusure on everything (which is beginning to happen). And I mean everything. All "The Wall"s must come down if we are to move forward in any positive way.

Richie

09-16-2009, 01:39 AM

I believe Kerry was trying to incorporate two beliefs.I could sense she was in a confused state.You see,not one person has all the answers.She just forgot.She trys so hard to put it all together in a nut shell.The fine people at ProjectCamelot are in constant contact with varying information.Bill being the top of the world easy going communicator and Kerry being "nose to the grindstone analytical." I love them both.

Fredkc

09-16-2009, 05:13 PM

Last I looked there are about 50 sessions on the interview page.
Is this one different? You bet! So what?
Did Kerry have an agenda? Yup.
"Irresistible force meets immovable object." If you want fawning and pablum, every time, Larry King is on 6 nights a week.

The one that seemed to stick in her craw, sticks in mine as well; the notion that they must all be good, or benign because:
If the ET's wanted to be hostile in any way shape or form we would have been fried by now!!!Sorry, it don't work. The easiest, and most base of reasons that spring to mind would be:
"Does a rancher shoot every animal that resists being corralled ?"
Not very smart, and you won't be a rancher long.

I feel the danger lies in Kerry's position - in that a negative outlook allows for the possibility of a negative outcome.Item 1: See the previous post concerning the Inca's and Spaniards.

Item 2: From the link above, Discerning Alien Disinfo (http://montalk.net/alien/148/discerning-alien-disinformation-part-4): We should not think about negative aliens because what we focus upon, we energize and attract.

This is a misapplication of the Law of Attraction. While we do attract what we become obsessed with or emotionally invested in, the converse is not true that we repel what we ignore. While ignoring something removes the force of attraction, it can still manifest by chance or through its own free will.An aside here, by way of an old saying: "The only things that go away by ignoring them are your teeth." ;)
Going further:
This time/place we inhabit wasn't created for us. We co-create it in conjunction with, not only other humans, but all sentient/creative beings who share it.

Now whether others are here, to help, conquer, hinder, or some mix, they are here.
If the notion we are SO beneath them, and so repulsive holds true, AND that what you ignore "goes away" then the simple answer is to just leave us to our misery.

Pointless to argue whether they are more intelligent, or advanced really, because based upon the previous statement it's clear they either can't, or won't leave "the great wheel" we all inhabit. That means they have various perceived needs (or call it the "fear of lack"), they satisfy here. That means that in some very basic terms "they is us" and this means intentions from good, to benign to worse. How does keeping them in the unknown category benefit us?

As to:
Dr. Greer holds some extreme responsibility towards what direction people decide to head in if and when they find out ET's are real.Hubris. He cannot take on that responsibility for anyone but himself, nor can any of us. If the idea that removing illusion, for a closer glimpse at true intention is too dangerous for the species, then we truly are cattle, in need of management. I don't buy that.