Bye Bye Whistleblowers.

[Myplanet2]

It's done. Over. Kapute. Finito. history. been there-done that. So yesterday (old paradigm)

I just read that ridiculous update on the Camelot site from Hawkeye. This has to be the straw that breaks the whistleblower back.

This is no longer useful to anyone BUT TPTB. It's "I'm so terrified, that I have some left over to share with you...." "Ooooh look over at the almighty PTB who could crush you and there is not a thing you could ever hope to do about it...." B......S.......

Total B.S.

The reason these people are now tools of the PTB is because they were indoctrinated within their hierarchical structures, and controlled with ignorance and fear. They are taught to believe they are nothing and could be snuffed at their betters whim so often that they believe it.

Hey, Whistleblowers!!! Get that stupid thing out of your mouth and get a life out in the sunshine. You can't play at being a mushroom forever.

These people, like hawkeye and deagle, only feed into the machinations of the PTB. I don't ever intend to listen to a single word either of them says again.

I'm sure they believe this nonsense, but it's B.S. It's forwarding the party line as a pathetic dupe.

The answer to these PTB is to ignore them. Step around them. Find other ways of doing the things they try to herd you into. Just laugh at them and say "I'm not going along with that!!!! Are you kidding me?"

There is nothing they can do to all of us. They have nothing that we didn't surrender to them. They have nothing we didn't accede to. They have nothing but our ignorance of the fact that we don't need them and their silly little greedy, power hungry, bullying games.

Let me ask you this. Has the latest wave of energy washing over our earth brought any Control Issues to the surface for you? You don't need to answer. Just look for yourself. There is a reason for that. We ARE dealing with this. We are taking it back, even as we sit here and consider this.

Guys like Hawkeye are done. What a defeatist. "Oh I'm dead anyway." "I'd be the first one crushed if I did anything."

Enough of this already. Camelot ought to grow up already, and start getting create oriented, instead of the old Reaction game.

[franciejones]

Well said Myplanet2. It made me laugh out loud to read the newest post on Camel Toe. I thought is was even more hilarious on the heels of Kerry saying on the radio that she and Bill were being attacked on "their own forum"...which proves they lurk here but CONTRIBUTE NOTHING. This forum is a game for them to watch and enjoy. Only to stroke the enormous ego. Too funny and sad simultaneously

[burgundia]

It is only a proof how much we have evolved and wised up....

[Tango]

Well, Now... And, I was told " Your a bit too rough " [Chuckle]...

Bye the Bye... I don't see anything that Bill (BR) did that was outta sorts.

Attacked On Their Own Forum....? I've seen ' NO One ' attack; Bill (BR).'

Why would ' Kerry ' care what any member thinks...? She is NOT on the forum because she doesn't want to hear it......... She doesn't want to hear about her " Style." Personally, I don't want ' her ' here... Just L00K at the numbers Can they get any lower... Some, Good Friends are gone...

Kerry, For Every Action there is a Reaction...

I'll continue to stay in the background until there is something of interest...

And, Francie; I LOVE how you express yourself [You cut me up...] I've always
loved people that express themselves well. That don't hold back. You Go, Girl... Camel toe.... ROF; LOL..... ***'n funny...

Trooly,

Tango

[Myplanet2]

It is only a proof how much we have evolved and wised up....

I don't believe that alone accounts for it, Burgundia. Of course we've been growing up, and Camelot was a big part of that for many of us, but it's actually more like the game itself has changed.

It's not even that we've out grown the need to have whistleblowers letting us in the know. It's that all the whistles we could ever need have been blown. Enough of us know the score. And anyone inclined to look will find the bread crumbs already sitting there.

It's come to the point, that trying to continue this game of "the Whistleblower" actually helps the PTB keep fear there. And in the extreme cases of people like this Hawkeye and Bill Deagle, they actually work at driving people down through fear and into terror. They try to make people feel their survival is threatened, when it's not. They promote those lowest of emotions. That's not what will change anything.

These people have become such tools of the PTB.

And Henry Deacon is a whole other kettle of fish altogether. Has anyone watched his video segments and seen the energy signature of that monkey he's got on his back??? What the.....?

And it's starting to look like this Peterson guy may have wised up before getting sucked into this losing game. There's got to be some reason it's taking this long to approve the release of his interview.

there are a lot of really bright and aware people here on Avalon. And a whole bunch more clinging to 3D like an octopus. That's all fine and good, but the whistleblower nonsense ought to give it a rest.

[metaw3]

We are all going to die. I'm not being alarmist here, but I think you should know. And by the way, don't try to understand how money is created by private banks. This is not an important subject, and it's a boring one anyway. Entertain your friends with bases on Mars, and keep paying your taxes.

[Avid]

They are presenting info for us to assess, some of which is obviously 'tongue-in-cheek', to get feedback.
There is a disclaimer on Camelot homepage - very wisely put!
I thank Kerry and Bill for all their hard work, and they are putting their findings online for us all to assess, research and state our 'take' on them!
To discredit all interviews due to one 'whistleblower' who may or may not be dubious is very sad, and very hurtful to Bill and Kerry who have put themselves on the line for us to be here today.
Let's be rational, have reasoned discussions, and if we can contribute any more research into findings (yay or nay), that's brilliant.
Positivity rules :original::original::original::original::original:

[Myplanet2]

They are presenting info for us to assess, some of which is obviously 'tongue-in-cheek', to get feedback.
There is a disclaimer on Camelot homepage - very wisely put!
I thank Kerry and Bill for all their hard work, and they are putting their findings online for us all to assess, research and state our 'take' on them!
To discredit all interviews due to one 'whistleblower' who may or may not be dubious is very sad, and very hurtful to Bill and Kerry who have put themselves on the line for us to be here today.
Let's be rational, have reasoned discussions, and if we can contribute any more research into findings (yay or nay), that's brilliant.
Positivity rules :original::original::original::original::original:

Definitely, positivity rules, which is why we don't need any more whistleblowers. We know all we need to know, and all they do is create or remind people of FEAR. Bill and Kerry did a service, way back when, but now, it's to the point where trying to continue with it into the future, gives a free service to the powers that be. New Whistleblower interviews? No thanks.

Interview somebody like Greer, who is getting it, and then badger him? No thanks. Bring Deagle and Hawkeye back for repeated Fear doses? No thanks.

Bring some more James from Wingmakers, or Jim Self, or interview Bashar, or Wendy Kennedy, or the majority of the people Regina has interviewed (without any badgering) on Conscious Media, and it's a big YES PLEASE!!!!!!

Henry Deacon? show him the frikkin door already.

Dan Burisch? Would be the same, except he already found the door. good riddance.

[metaw3]

James from Wingmakers

My favorite interview since day one. I think I'm gonna read it again. Thanks for reminding me.

[Avid]

Definitely, positivity rules, which is why we don't need any more whistleblowers. We know all we need to know, and all they do is create or remind people of FEAR. Bill and Kerry did a service, way back when, but now, it's to the point where trying to continue with it into the future, gives a free service to the powers that be. New Whistleblower interviews? No thanks.

Interview somebody like Greer, who is getting it, and then badger him? No thanks. Bring Deagle and Hawkeye back for repeated Fear doses? No thanks.

Bring some more James from Wingmakers, or Jim Self, or interview Bashar, or Wendy Kennedy, or the majority of the people Regina has interviewed (without any badgering) on Conscious Media, and it's a big YES PLEASE!!!!!!

Henry Deacon? show him the frikkin door already.

Dan Burisch? Would be the same, except he already found the door. good riddance.

You may have dismissed these people, and until I do my research I will not.
I welcome information - and will make my own mind up - but it's imperative that we are free to hear/learn and decide for ourselves. We should never close the door to information, as when we do - we will either become our own slaves of limited mind, or slaves to those who wish us to belong to them.
Never give up - keep reading/talking/watching:original:
Avid x

[THE eXchanger]

xxx

[Myra]

They are presenting info for us to assess, some of which is obviously 'tongue-in-cheek', to get feedback.
There is a disclaimer on Camelot homepage - very wisely put!
I thank Kerry and Bill for all their hard work, and they are putting their findings online for us all to assess, research and state our 'take' on them!
To discredit all interviews due to one 'whistleblower' who may or may not be dubious is very sad, and very hurtful to Bill and Kerry who have put themselves on the line for us to be here today.
Let's be rational, have reasoned discussions, and if we can contribute any more research into findings (yay or nay), that's brilliant.
Positivity rules :original::original::original::original::original:

Very well said :thumb_yello:

[jaby]

Definitely, positivity rules, which is why we don't need any more whistleblowers. We know all we need to know, and all they do is create or remind people of FEAR. Bill and Kerry did a service, way back when, but now, it's to the point where trying to continue with it into the future, gives a free service to the powers that be. New Whistleblower interviews? No thanks.

You don't want whistleblowers ? Don't watch/listen to any more of their interviews etc then.

But don't start saying WE know all we need to know. As if you are speaking for everyone.....

Each and every interview etc has to be assessed on it's own merits...and while a minority of 'whistleblowers' might be dodgey.

It is foolish to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

TPTB have probably been working hard to destroy Project Camelot.

Let's not assist them...eh?

[Myplanet2]

You don't want whistleblowers ? Don't watch/listen to any more of their interviews etc then.

But don't start saying WE know all we need to know. As if you are speaking for everyone.....

Each and every interview etc has to be assessed on it's own merits...and while a minority of 'whistleblowers' might be dodgey.

It is foolish to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

TPTB have probably been working hard to destroy Project Camelot.

Let's not assist them...eh?

You missed my point. The PTB are now AIDED by project camelot if they keep parading out the likes of Hawkeye, Deagle and Deacon.

If you have anything to learn from them, then enjoy. But unless you're addicted to fear, then I'd avoid the likes of the above mentioned.

[Myplanet2]

You may have dismissed these people, and until I do my research I will not.
I welcome information - and will make my own mind up - but it's imperative that we are free to hear/learn and decide for ourselves. We should never close the door to information, as when we do - we will either become our own slaves of limited mind, or slaves to those who wish us to belong to them.
Never give up - keep reading/talking/watching:original:
Avid x

No. Sorry. That's is 3D talking. Information is for mind to play around with. Best explanation is James HMS section of his interview with Kerry.

But that focus has changed. I'm given to understand it has changed or is changing for everyone. It's out of habit that the mind as filter is held onto. The new game in town is to filter through the Heart. Use higher senses to perceive with. Then when you look, and see the whistleblowers making the same obnoxious noises as the PTB minions, you sit up and take notice.

You can't unknow what you know, and you can't unsee what you've seen.

I now see hundreds of times what I did just 6 months ago, and what I'm seeing in these Whistleblowers is little different than what I see coming out of PTB minions, and in some cases, like with Hawkeye, Deagle and Deacon, much worse.

You said: "We should never close the door to information, as when we do - we will either become our own slaves of limited mind or slaves to those who wish us to belong to them."

That's one view. What if the information you are receiving is steering you right into a trap set by the PTB, and you don't have the discernment to see it in time? Then you become slave to the idiot simplicity of the human minds ability to discern.

The Guys mentioned above are deliberately creating fear. Tell me what good can come from that? Well, Deacon is creating quite something else, which I'll leave to each of your own discernment. Another thing which can't be unseen once seen.

[Myplanet2]

However, in order to weave yourself into the highest eXpression
of love, you need to move through 'the ****' to find
'real truth' !!!



You don't think you can find love without wading through ****? I do.

[THE eXchanger]

xxx

[BROOK]

I don't believe that alone accounts for it, Burgundia. Of course we've been growing up, and Camelot was a big part of that for many of us, but it's actually more like the game itself has changed.

It's not even that we've out grown the need to have whistleblowers letting us in the know. It's that all the whistles we could ever need have been blown. Enough of us know the score. And anyone inclined to look will find the bread crumbs already sitting there.

It's come to the point, that trying to continue this game of "the Whistleblower" actually helps the PTB keep fear there. And in the extreme cases of people like this Hawkeye and Bill Deagle, they actually work at driving people down through fear and into terror. They try to make people feel their survival is threatened, when it's not. They promote those lowest of emotions. That's not what will change anything.

These people have become such tools of the PTB.

And Henry Deacon is a whole other kettle of fish altogether. Has anyone watched his video segments and seen the energy signature of that monkey he's got on his back??? What the.....?

And it's starting to look like this Peterson guy may have wised up before getting sucked into this losing game. There's got to be some reason it's taking this long to approve the release of his interview.

there are a lot of really bright and aware people here on Avalon. And a whole bunch more clinging to 3D like an octopus. That's all fine and good, but the whistleblower nonsense ought to give it a rest.

May I say a big fat......AMEN to all of this post :thumb_yello:

[jaby]

You missed my point. The PTB are now AIDED by project camelot if they keep parading out the likes of Hawkeye, Deagle and Deacon.

If you have anything to learn from them, then enjoy. But unless you're addicted to fear, then I'd avoid the likes of the above mentioned.


I'm not addicted to fear.

Some of the whistleblowers maybe suspect....so what?

This is the real world we're dealing with.

But in general whistleblowers are GREAT. Brave and with amazing stories.

All that is needed is discernment.

How much about any of this stuff would we know if it weren't for whistleblowers? We can decide for ourselves if we want to take on
board what is said.

But first of all....we have to hear what is said. Presenting information
is what Camelot is all about. But we make our own judgements about it.

[Myplanet2]

I'm not addicted to fear.

Some of the whistleblowers maybe suspect....so what?

This is the real world we're dealing with.

But in general whistleblowers are GREAT. Brave and with amazing stories.

All that is needed is discernment.

How much about any of this stuff would we know if it weren't for whistleblowers? We can decide for ourselves if we want to take on
board what is said.

But first of all....we have to hear what is said. Presenting information
is what Camelot is all about. But we make our own judgements about it.

We're just going round and round now. All the whistles are blown. All the testimony is available. To continue to try to find new whistleblowers only goes towards feeding fear.

Whistleblowers are not great. They don't help anything at this point. You might as well preface their blather with "You should be afraid of the PTB because....." or "you should consider yourself a victim because......"

None of that is helpful.

There are thousands of websites of this kind of garbage for people who have somehow remained ignorant until now. New whistleblowers at this point will do more damage to our efforts to repair this planets broken heart, than if they'd just shut up and get a life.

[jaby]

We're just going round and round now. All the whistles are blown. All the testimony is available. To continue to try to find new whistleblowers only goes towards feeding fear.

Whistleblowers are not great. They don't help anything at this point. You might as well preface their blather with "You should be afraid of the PTB because....." or "you should consider yourself a victim because......"

None of that is helpful.

There are thousands of websites of this kind of garbage for people who have somehow remained ignorant until now. New whistleblowers at this point will do more damage to our efforts to repair this planets broken heart, than if they'd just shut up and get a life.

Woah.....harsh words. Remember the roots of this forum. Project Camelot.

And now you are blatantly trying to discredit Project Camelot.

And disrespecting all the genuine whistleblowers who have given interviews etc.

Tell me....what would we all know now if it wasn't for the whistleblowers?
Sure there are going to be efforts by the TPTB to undermine Camelot, including here in the forum. That's life!

We don't know what we might hear about next. And we'll hear nothing about
anything if we close off the channels. All we have to do is use personel judgement on all that we hear and see.

These matters aren't done and dusted. This is just the beginning.

[Anchor]

Myplanet2: As ever, excellent posts.

I just want to point out that Camelot and Avalon were supposed to have a different focus.

Avalon (which is where this post is) was more about what comes next, practical advice for dealing with the coming inconveniences, health and some spiritualy motivate topics as well.

What has happened is a focus on bad news or what might become bad news. (ie: predicted, potential, or alleged bad news and in some cases even completely false news); and that has detracted a little from that focus and promoted the circular/spiraling "doom and gloom" threads.

I believe things will change a little more yet - perhaps even on this forum.

A..


PS: RUN FOR YOUR LIFE !!!! <lol>

[jaby]

What ever happened to loyalty?


And a little understanding that times are tough, in regards to disinformation and dishonesty. That Kerry and Bill could be under enormous pressure in various ways.

A little empathy would be good, maybe?

And if you don't like what a whistleblower has to say...disregard it.

But more importantly...trust that other members here are perfectly
capable of making their own minds up about what whistleblowers say.

[franciejones]

Thanks Tango. Glad I gave you a giggle. I was laughing as I typed it. :)

[jaby]

You may have dismissed these people, and until I do my research I will not.
I welcome information - and will make my own mind up - but it's imperative that we are free to hear/learn and decide for ourselves. We should never close the door to information, as when we do - we will either become our own slaves of limited mind, or slaves to those who wish us to belong to them.
Never give up - keep reading/talking/watching:original:
Avid x

Very well said Avid....................:thumb_yello:

[Myplanet2]

Woah.....harsh words. Remember the roots of this forum. Project Camelot.

And now you are blatantly trying to discredit Project Camelot.

And disrespecting all the genuine whistleblowers who have given interviews etc.

Tell me....what would we all know now if it wasn't for the whistleblowers?
Sure there are going to be efforts by the TPTB to undermine Camelot, including here in the forum. That's life!

We don't know what we might hear about next. And we'll hear nothing about
anything if we close off the channels. All we have to do is use personel judgement on all that we hear and see.

These matters aren't done and dusted. This is just the beginning.

Jaby. In the almost a year that I've been on Avalon, I've watched literally thousands of people become afraid because of something said by the likes of Deagle. And virtually nothing Deagle said was about to happen, any second now, has happened a good half year or more after his frantic warnings.

Do I disrespedt that whistleblower? No. I say he was wrong. And I say he should never have spouted off his paranoid rantings, and I say Camelot should have learned after his first drive by "fearing" that he was not credible, and not had him back time and again for more of the same.

Now please hear what I've said in each of my posts in this thread. "From now on." Already blown whistles are fine. But it's time to knock it off. They are beating this dead horse into glue by now.

Just because you and I can discern truth from lies, doesn't mean others can. Why keep promoting obvious fear mongering when there are fantastically sane and caring people out there who could be interviewed about how to cope with ascension symptoms, or why so many are losing their memories right now, or what the difference is between the 3rd, 4th and 5th dimensions, and how you use your heart to interface instead of your human mind, and how the law of attraction really works, and how to balance your chakras, and on and on.

Who needs to hear yet again that Swine flu and/or the vaccine for it is going to kill a billion people when the silly prophet of that kind of news also said chicago or maybe Los Angeles was about to be nuked any day?

No, I'm not here to discredit anyone. They do a marvelous job of that themselves.

I'm hear to shout out that we don't need to hear anymore of that garbage. It's not going to go down that way. Enough of us are promoting good outcomes to see to it. A few million awake people will make the difference in a population of 7 billion. But not if the brightest are hounded with doom by the likes of Dr. Doom.

[Karen]

We're just going round and round now. All the whistles are blown. All the testimony is available. To continue to try to find new whistleblowers only goes towards feeding fear.

:insane:
What?
:hypo:
You want us to get off the merry-go-round ride?

But some people like it. We're not all at the same place on the journey.
:woot_jump:

[jaby]

answering MyPlanet2....

So you don't like Deagle. He has made zilch impression on me.

See...people can make their own minds up. We're not special...anyone can do it.

Bill and Kerry present information on the Camelot site for people to read/see and make up their own minds.

[Myplanet2]

answering MyPlanet2....

So you don't like Deagle. He has made zilch impression on me.

See...people can make their own minds up. We're not special...anyone can do it.

Bill and Kerry present information on the Camelot site for people to read/see and make up their own minds.

And I say they do a great disservice by continuing to present the likes of Deagle who has yet to get anything right.

I never said I don't like Deagle. I said he promotes fear, and for no reason, as he's always wrong.

Who was the bimbo that said there was going to be a mass ET landing on Oct 14. Would you like to hear more from her? Maybe by now she figures earth is going to fall into the sun and we'll all take the new body form of the toasted hot dog?

You can't be serious with your arguments. At least I hope you aren't.

"Let em talk any s**t they want and we can peel it apart with our fingers, and only eat the tasty bits?"

continuing to present people like Deagle, Hawkeye, Deacon, etc absolutely discredits Camelot to any but the "loyal". Loyalty is one thing. Unthinking loyalty is another.

[Myplanet2]

:insane:
What?
:hypo:
You want us to get off the merry-go-round ride?

But some people like it. We're not all at the same place on the journey.
:woot_jump:

:flowers2:

[Unified Serenity]

You have voiced my feelings pretty well myplanet. I have gotten tired with the same ol' rhetoric of the sky if falling from the SAME people. I think that is the distinction. People have blown their whistles. They have come forward with dire predictions and in some cases stupid assertions such as saying vaccines are perfectly safe. I don't see anything new coming from these people, and yet they are on stage again and again.

I am not interested in these people's stories anymore. I want real information, real up to the minute whistle blowing, not something 20 years old that others have already shared ad nauseum. Give me something kewl to sink my teeth into that opens new doors of thinking.

I prefer positive information, but if some whistle blower knows that there will definitely be a nuke or bio attack on some city this Wednesday, then fine warn us. But, you only get the one chance in my book to be right. I really enjoyed Peggy Kane's site for a while, but she keeps coming out with "this is it" time lines and when it doesn't happen she comes up with some story that the time line has been altered and we are really back in May or some such stuff. She has lost all credibility with me. I liked a lot of her reverse speech EVP stuff, but then again, she doesn't share her reverse speech stuff from the God and Goddess. She's like this great guru and if you say anything to question her then her minions stomp all over you. Oh, she turned off comments over a month or two ago due to the people getting irritated with this yo-yo time line stuff. So, thanks Myplanet. I agree with much that you have said.

[TtC]

I'm going to reiterate this with an addendum:

I used to live in a city he practiced in for quite some time. I spoke with people who knew him who thought he was god's gift to mankind and some who thought he was bonkers. He was kicked out of three churches in Alberta because he tried to take them over. So, now, he started his own.

I will agree that he gets all his information from third parties. You can usually suspect a fraud when all their predictions never come to pass. That's why good prophets either make them extremely vague or cryptic or way off in the future.

If they wanted him dead, he'd be dead. End of story. Just one more person grabbing the limelight with delusions of grandeur.

I am really surprised that people don't look up information on these people. Having your license revoked for malpractice is quite serious and not something the medical board does on a whim. He can't practice in Canada or the US, now, so he resorts to the "snake oil salesman" routine.

The thing about him being fat: If you can't help yourself, how do you expect to help someone else?

Finally, someone is questioning things.

Addendum: I think larger amounts of people are recognizing so much of this "information" as BS. You can only repeat the same thing over and over again with your little twist so many times before it gets old. It's been old for a long time, now.

I will agree, there is too much fear mongering going around, as well. If you recall, I believe one of my first posts addressed this, but I was kindly told it was my perception. I will agree with that, but it was also said that it would get better. I see it as getting worse; 90% of the posts I see here are people speculating about bad things happening. I see no evidence; all I see is opinions. I see people looking for someone else to blame and I see people who talk a lot and do nothing. Reminds me of politicians.

I'm glad things are actually starting to move along, now, and people are looking at the BS as BS. This is the third or fourth thread I've seen in a week about being fed up with it. If you keep feeding the BSers they'll keep spewing forth their BS. I see people who want to stay on the Carousel because it gives them something to do; it's comfortable for them. They would rather stay here and focus on what they do not want rather than on what they do want because it's easier to observe than to create.

I also doubt you will get much positive information, either. Lovey, fuzzy thoughts don't sell newspapers. People like the negativity because it gives them something to focus on.

I'll say something about the Law of Attraction for you MyPlanet2: Do not give your attention to that which you don't want. That includes this. Just let it go and walk away. You may want to read this snippet, too. (http://www.tracethecircle.com/forum/index.php/topic,163.0.html)

I know what I want and I am creating it. I am a creator and I only create that which I want. Have fun. I'm out.

Sayonara.

[Wormhole]

I will only speak for myself. I am tired. Deeply tired of being lied to around every corner. All I want to hear is the truth, and it does not exist purely in any form any where, in so far as I know. I am tired of looking for it, I am tired of watching questions being asked and answers being cryptically given. Perhaps it just does not exist through duality at all, and can not.

The only TRUTH I know is in my own experience. The only thing that I can depend upon is CHANGE, and that is always a surprise. There are no more answers here then that exist in our own hearts. I will not and do not place the responsibility of my own truth with another. I will not give my own personal power away to the whims of an interview, the idea of an answer, or the thirst for something greater then myself, or my own personal needs.

If we are all truly one, then the TRUTH will be known by us all. We may want to deserve it now, but we may need to pass on to the next world by death or other means to achieve it. IF I have learned anything from Avalon at all, it is that people will say anything to be heard and will fight tooth and nail to know.

Most importantly I have been reminded, however, that I love you all in all of your glory, uniqueness, and emotional girth. I love the way we all talk, argue, and search. I love that we are here because we are all one in wanting to know more. I love that we share socially as well as privately. I love our faults and I love our visions. I love how when one of us messes up, we are reminded of our own mistakes and make changes to become better. I love that we are forgiving, and becoming more so.

Simply put, I LOVE YOU!

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

[dagon]

:shocked:

nice to catch some truth around here. I don't se much in the way of building communities here. just some conversations and some support and bickering. and I have to admit. Im addicted to the fear I guess. I cant stop looking , listening , ect.. I find these subjects so entertaining. but the more I look and listen. the more I don't like the world Im living in. cant trust the government, and who know who else.



this thing worth steven greer is strange. and I not sure how I feel about what went down. I don't like the way karrie dealt with it. kind of like a child. like she had to be right, and stuffing it down his throat. greer was cool and calm. and just that alone made his points come out on top.



everything in this field that we have seen with the whistle blowers,,, ect.. its all stories at this point. and I have to keep reminding myself not to take it all in with such conviction. yes its true. there world is falling apart. and I feel an urgency to help. look for the truth. ect... but come on.. as you would say in vermont... show me.... or live free or die. I think the show me is penn...



there is money to be made in this field. just like anything alse. humans are suffering from the human condition. that's for sure. I want off the marry go round... I want off this planet.. out of my skin... out of my head... there is a lot of fear... being tossed around... and I to wonder what is the goal here... really... truth.. who's truth... the truth.. in who's eyes..



I think kerry could have made her point without bashing greer. despite her personal truths. I have seen here bash bill in interviews in a child like way. speak into the mic dam it. or ill have a tizzy.... I look past it... because I support the work...



I have seen this room fall apart before... differences in opinion.. and what not. people getting kicked out. B + K leaving. ect...



B + K I love you guys. I hope for the best.. but after spending time with you all.. all I want to do is burn my credit cards and sell my belongings. and check out... I don't want to pay taxes to the keepers, ect.. and after listening to the web bot and gerald celente, Im in so mush fear inside I cant stop trying to convince my friends and family that the world as we know it is about to crumble and die. and of coarse there is the rebirth. LOL... OOh my god. I would like to make moves in life and I find myself not making plans in my life based on information Im getting off the net. and not my life exp. I believe despite the small bits of hope. most of it is fear based control. it has affected my mind. and my decisions. Im not so sure that's a good thing.. yea know....



any how I just winging this out there so don't pick apart my spelling of grammar...



again I support B + K.. I do. I just want them to see my prospective. and the ripples its causing. I want to join the resistance.. and now...is that healthy??? you tell me...



and I know what some of what's being said is true. my grandfather was cornel in the air force. and wrote the pilots manual for training. ect. he was in charge of safety. I believe what I heard from family. he could be a whistle blower. but wont. and I know what I saw. but I just about had it with the fear mongering with the PTB...



did you guys catch coast last night about the family. if this place is about building communities and such.. I don't know what Im saying... why arnt we burning down there houses..... why are we taking this??? why I ask.. is it just pie in the sky to keep us coming back... Im drawing a line... or would like to.
:wall:

[tone3jaguar]

I went through the enough with the B.S. phase a few weeks ago. Now I am in the I am doing my own thing phase, and the I am completely disillusioned with alternative media phase. I used to love watching streaming videos all of the time from different people. Now suddenly I find myself in a state of limbo wondering what path I am supposed to walk down next. Whatever

[THE eXchanger]

xxx

[tone3jaguar]

the timelines; are constantly changing

people are learning, they truly can dream up a new reality

which is good-cause it stops **** from happening


Yep, I actually saw myself shift timelines when I was driving down the highway the other day. I mean the color of a car changed when I was about 50 freakin feat from it in broad daylight. Crazy s--t, I have not heard a single "testimony" from a whistle blower that accurately described how many and how easily timelines are leaped between. Dr. Dumb Ass Burisch swore up and down that there where only 2 timelines that an individual could go down. That was made up B.S. there are millions of parallel timelines per person. Who knows how many there are total for every person on earth. It does not matter, only about .0000000001 percent of them have an everyone dies outcome. Not 50 percent like our creative friend Dan Burisch. Just like MP2 said, fear propaganda.

My sister went to get the vaccination waver form so her 3 year old could start school the other day and they made her watch videos of kids sick and on their death beads before they would give her the form. The alternative media is and probably allways has been just as saturated with disinformation as the network news stations are. The only difference is that the network news stations do their best to make it look believable, except Fox news. You could put their stuff on the internet with different talking heads sitting in a trailor park living room and people would eat that s--t up too.

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm looking for people to talk to. There has mostly been low interest in my threads. But if some of you are disillusioned with the whistleblowers, alternate timelines, bickering, defections, etc...reconsider taking a look at some of my threads. I'm not claiming anything...because I don't know. But my road is a road less traveled...and that just might make all of the difference. The threads won't make you happy...but taken as a whole...there is an important message...I believe. The thread with some cool music videos would be a good place to begin.http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15663&highlight=orthodoxymoron 'Come into my web'...the spider said to the fly!

[tone3jaguar]

Uhgg, I just tried to listen to the Radio show for the first time where Kerry was discussing why her communication style is the way that it is. I am now even more disillusioned than I was before I tried to listen to it.

Kerry Casidy

"Steven Greer's agenda is fueled by the Greys and Reptilians"

Uhgg

I feel like I need to go and stick my head in a bucket of ice water or something.

[Myplanet2]

When Dan burisch was first talking about the incredible technology he says he used, it was exciting. When John Lear and Richard Hoagland talked about how things were not at all as they were being presented as regards our forays into space, it was exciting. When George Green was first talking about what he learned while hobnobbing with the PTB it was exciting. Dave Wilcock said he talked to an ancient being who had much wisdom to share. That was exciting.

I knew there were things going on that were hidden from me. Some people came forward on Camelot and said they knew something about that and were willing to share what they knew at great personal risk. That was exciting.

There were lots of exciting predictions of foreknowledge of this or that catastrophe about to befall us, or this or that plot against our greater good about to be carried out by the minions of the PTB.

Forewarned is forearmed, right?

But then the vast majority of these predictions and forecasts never materialized. Why is that? What happened? How could all of these people, with all of this inside information be completely wrong? How can all of the visions of these great tribulations be wrong? Many members of Avalon came on and posted about their terrible dreams, and waking visions of doom. For the most part, they didn't happen. Why?

I believe I know why.

WE are why. We the people, are why this stuff hasn't come to pass. Since I've personally switched from listening to the doom and gloomers, and instead studying the wisdom of many enlightened beings both on planet and off, I've been hearing a completely different message.

The message is We are powerful creator beings. You, me the one in the next room and everybody else incarnated on earth right now. We are Creator beings, who can change the future, as easily as we decide whether to go to the restaurant or the movie theatre. We are capable of creating forks in our timelines. infinite numbers of them. Nothing is beyond our reach.

Despite the best efforts of the PTB and their terrified little minion mouthpieces, the whistleblowers, and news reporters, and politicians, and the generals, and the intelligence agents, we've beaten the odds and changed the planned happenings so drastically, that they appear to have been made up.

the PTB have a couple of major tools. One is the law of attraction. As Ttc said, the law of attraction works on where you hold your attention. You want to pull in a lot of money because you have a lot of bills? If you have your attention on your bills being too much, more bills are what you'll get, not a pile of money. It's not just where you place your attention, (or have it placed for you) but that's where the process starts. To understand the law of attraction, you have to understand how thought and emotion work together. Thought is electric, and emotions are magnetic. Law of ATTRACTION. Attraction = magnetic. Thoughts can have accompanying emotions. If you think about something and it evokes an emotion, then the law of attraction comes into play. And it works, and always works without fail. Many say the law of attraction doesn't work, because they can't manifest what they desire. That only means that what they desire is as opposed to what their emotions are vibrating a non desire for. For example, "I desire lots of money to end my poverty". The emotion is a bad feeling about poverty. The law of attraction provides poverty.

The way the PTB use this, is they use manipulation to place our attention where we will experience strong emotion. like fear and hatred and pain. They manufacture people like Burisch, and Deagle, and Deacon, and Hawkeye, who will do exactly as they've been programmed to do and spill the fear and distrust and hatred, etc. Remember Hoaglands quip, "the lie is different at every level"? It would have to be for this to work. People on the inside are told various lies, or half truths, and it's with full knowledge of their psychological profiles. The higher ups know they are likely to spill the beans. That's classic disinfo. tell them what you want them to pass along, while telling them it's ultra secret and not to pass it along.

The PTB have nothing. They have no hold over us. They can do nothing to us. If we say "go away and leave us alone", there is nothing they can do to us. They know we are creator beings, who can manifest freely. They know if we are left to our own devices, we will not continue to create a world where those few little dweebs control the rest of us. Their only chance is to trick us into believing we have reasons to fear them. Or trick us into believing that all is under their control, and that we must obey or have our permission to survive withdrawn by them. They can not do this in any forthright manner. They must use trickery. They must manipulate the information so the minion believes it. The lie is different at every level. Mixed with "need to know", and you have the formula for creating the circumstances where the minions, and reporters, and politicians and whistleblowers Believe they have some good secret information to impart, but it's disinfo from the get go. It was set up from the very beginning to be revealed according to their plans and to enact the law of attraction in us.

They want us so busy worrying about our next pay check, or next meal, or next weeks roof over our heads, that we won't have time to dream about what we really want. They want us scared about what they say they are about to do to us, even though it's impossible for them to carry it out unless we just stand there drooling.

Ben fulford is right about one thing. There are only about 10,000 of them planet wide. even if they have a million minions, we outnumber them 7,000 to one. They have to try to scare us into walking into the vaccine line up. Standing in line for our food. Begging at the banks for our money. signing up to go to their fictitious wars to secure their oil, or gold, or drugs, or land routes for transport, or to remove a non compliant leader.

Look at your politicians. Do THEY look a little bit scared to you these days? Do you think they are starting to realize they've been manipulated into doing things not in the best interests of their constituents, and that THEY are ones in the cross hairs, not the manipulators?

They remain in power if we remain afraid of the effect they can have on our survival. or the survival of those we care about. If we're not afraid of them, we'll just tell them to take a hike. That we're not playing their game anymore.

So what can you really do? You can watch with your new improved reality filter. Your heart. Your heart will not lead you astray like your mind will. Your mind is totally about ensuring your survival. And about splitting everything up into polarities, but that's another story. If someone says your survival is threatened, your mind goes into overdrive. If what it discovers is plausible, it'll try to make you take evasive maneuvers. And your emotions will come into play. If your emotion is fear, you will manifest something to be afraid of. If your emotion is hatred, you'll manifest something to hate. The minute they can no longer make us afraid or angry, their game ends, and they know it.

By corollary, all we then need to do, is to avoid becoming fearful or angry, or other heavy, low vibration emotions. And we need to use our hearts to help in this. It's a no brainer for your hearts. Our hearts are a perfect match for love. When something creates fear or anger in us, our hearts go into distress. It doesn't feel good.

Which gives us a good tool in this game. "How does what we are interacting with make us feel?" If we listen to Deagle, how do we feel? If we listen to Hawkeye, how do we feel? If we feel the stirrings of fear or anger, we know what we are hearing is not in service to us or to the rest of mankind.

This doesn't mean ignoring actual threats. If you're standing under a falling piano, and someone points it out to you, then that's not fear mongering. But if some idiot says there is a pandemic flu primer already in our lungs, and that it will mix with the mandatory vaccine to the end result of killing potentially billions, and that objectors will be herded off into camps where who knows what will be done to them, while the poles are shifting and nibiru and the dwarf star blow the sun to pieces and tear earth in half, during all out nuclear holicaust, launched as a mercy killing since most of earths population will already be starving to death due to the collapse of the bio sphere and food chain, and all this he knows because God told him so...well then I think it's safe to call "FEAR MONGER DELUXE"!!!!!!!

How did reading this paragraph make you feel? You didn't feel afraid hearing it from me, did you? Because I don't believe it for one second. I'm not afraid, so I can't make you afraid.

Can it be said that B and K are harmlessly presenting info for our consideration? Not in my opinion. When they say "we have what we believe to be a vitally important update from doctor doom which we think you should all be aware of right now..." then that is promotion, and no longer passive. When they say Steven greer is responsible for dangerous disinfo, then that is no longer the passive relay point. That is then promoting some sort of agenda or another.

So don't give me "they just put it out there and la de da de da.... and let's all just be nice and loyal, and be happy to lap up all the fear mongering and just sort of lick around the nasty bits that don't taste so good. That's major misdirection, and does nobody any favour.

It really is bye bye whistleblower time, and not just for me. Whistelblower can only add to the mayhem at this point, and can only serve to feed the PTB the fuel they require for their plans to proceed. Fear.

[Wormhole]

If I could encourage anyone to do anything it would be to think for themselves and not believe everything they read.

My Planet 2 is on that path.

We will know the Truth when and if we hear it.

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

[Barcarolle]

Maybe we should ask for a special area for a whiners and finger pointing forum area for these sort of threads. Where all the wing nuts who are scared and petrified of things slightly not going the way they had hoped or dreamed can all come together and feel important.
Yes lets point fingers and moan about things, you feel better now ?? Its quite unbelievable how the weak minded, fear controlled need to pollute these boards with such a load of BS ..... The problem with this is that is gathers others aboard this sheep train and its contagious and manipulative.(enter at won risk)

Its quite simple you don't like the content in this forum or website just click the X box located on the top right hand corner of your monitor and exit. We don't all need to be pulled into your fear and scare mongering, you obviously are hoping to crush peoples journey and intended pathways as we are all here for one reason and its obvious you cannot handle the current situation and require your own ways in bringing others into your dark work of misunderstanding and confusion.

Some posters here have actually got a lot to offer people who are in need of similarly minded people to communicate too. we all are in some way seeking assistance as these things we cannot talk about to the average person.(heaven forbid we get looked at like we are mental cases right- so lets open ourselves up online so no one can see our faces).

Fear is important, fear is the shadow self or dark side of reality, without confronting this fear then we are showing that we are not willing to accept the shadow self.

We all need to confront our shadow selves in order to get to the other side its just that simple ..... By running away from things and hiding we create larger and larger fears that will eventually engulf us and others in the same process who are unfortunate to listen to these wingnuts.

Confront fear, accept fear be able to allow yourself to understand fear then you can objectively understand its manifestation.

We are all learning here, we need to be calm and not allow ourselves to be pointing fingers and abusing a certain "whistle blowers" or anyones thoughts or belief once you do you have failed this lesson........ Everyone is perceiving things their own way in essence creating their own reality.

Time to be grown up and be more observant and INTEND to see the bigger picture instead of creating **** that we all have to step in manifested by your EGO.

once your able to listen to these guys you dislike and be able to say "ah thats his/her opinion its an interesting theory and i am glad to hear it, but i dont feel its on my frequency and be able to continue things normaly there after then you will be on your way. WE not here to judge , WE are here to learn.

[orthodoxymoron]

I sense that B&K are trying to do the right thing...but that they are being pushed and pulled in a lot of directions. They are probably being lied to, threatened, played, etc, etc. Just take all of this stuff as science fiction...which could very possibly be reality...or become reality at some point in the future.

Myplanet2: I liked your post. By the way...you have a very interesting name.

[Humble Janitor]

Thank goodness I dodged most of this drama like dodging a bullet.

Just more interested in living lately and living in a positive density.

[Myplanet2]

Maybe we should ask for a special area for a whiners and finger pointing forum area for these sort of threads. Where all the wing nuts who are scared and petrified of things slightly not going the way they had hoped or dreamed can all come together and feel important.
Yes lets point fingers and moan about things, you feel better now ?? Its quite unbelievable how the weak minded, fear controlled need to pollute these boards with such a load of BS ..... The problem with this is that is gathers others aboard this sheep train and its contagious and manipulative.(enter at won risk)

Its quite simple you don't like the content in this forum or website just click the X box located on the top right hand corner of your monitor and exit. We don't all need to be pulled into your fear and scare mongering, you obviously are hoping to crush peoples journey and intended pathways as we are all here for one reason and its obvious you cannot handle the current situation and require your own ways in bringing others into your dark work of misunderstanding and confusion.

Some posters here have actually got a lot to offer people who are in need of similarly minded people to communicate too. we all are in some way seeking assistance as these things we cannot talk about to the average person.(heaven forbid we get looked at like we are mental cases right- so lets open ourselves up online so no one can see our faces).

Fear is important, fear is the shadow self or dark side of reality, without confronting this fear then we are showing that we are not willing to accept the shadow self.

We all need to confront our shadow selves in order to get to the other side its just that simple ..... By running away from things and hiding we create larger and larger fears that will eventually engulf us and others in the same process who are unfortunate to listen to these wingnuts.

Confront fear, accept fear be able to allow yourself to understand fear then you can objectively understand its manifestation.

We are all learning here, we need to be calm and not allow ourselves to be pointing fingers and abusing a certain "whistle blowers" or anyones thoughts or belief once you do you have failed this lesson........ Everyone is perceiving things their own way in essence creating their own reality.

Time to be grown up and be more observant and INTEND to see the bigger picture instead of creating **** that we all have to step in manifested by your EGO.

once your able to listen to these guys you dislike and be able to say "ah thats his/her opinion its an interesting theory and i am glad to hear it, but i dont feel its on my frequency and be able to continue things normaly there after then you will be on your way. WE not here to judge , WE are here to learn.

Ah. so let me see if I get this straight. You say Blah blah blah blah and you can't find the little x at the top of the page and the special place for whiners and wing nuts in front of your keyboard isn't good enough for the task at hand?

Got it. Thanks.

[Wormhole]

I respect your opinion Bar carroll. There is wisdom to be heard. I also feel glad that B&K's work has brought us here. I've learned a lot and unlearned a lot more. Sounds like you also are thinking for yourself.

Peace of Mind,
wormhole

[Humble Janitor]

We all have our theories. I just think it's easier to agree to disagree.

One step at a time.

[orthodoxymoron]

Save the drama for your mamma.

[TraineeHuman]

Let’s consider this from the point of view of the problem-reaction-solution logic. I believe that style of logic (also known as “Hegelian logic” or “marxist logic”, though in use in China and India for thousands of years) is totally valid. It’s real. Now, let’s suppose that all the worst predictions are true. Then the wise person’s response to them all is not to react, i.e., not to respond with fear. Or else to get through her/his fear quickly and then leave it behind permanently, as far as possible. Otherwise, we’re suckers.

Only the person who doesn’t get caught up in the reaction can see any of the solution (or possible solutions), even perhaps influence it in some way. I believe this supports so much of MyPlanet2’s point. Isn't it great to see sanity at work?

Yes, though, it’s also true that freedom is only possible when we see and look at what is, rather than at how we would like things to be. But even if “what is” may involve our imminent death, as Bill claims, we need a way of stating the facts which is more balanced, and which isn’t itself fear-mongering. As seems to be often successfully done at the sites MyPlanet2 refers to in his opening post.

I dowsed regarding whether there was any substantial truth in "Hawkeye's" letters. Result: the answer is no. In Mash, Hawkeye is a smartarse who spends all his time subverting everybody and everything else by being cleverer than them, supposedly. Anybody with a degree in psychology can tell you that type of "clever" is totally neurosis. I guess I'll have to stick to the Spirituality threads from now on. I'll take wise over clever any day.

[Wormhole]

All paths are valid. All have a unique journey to source. No one here is wrong. Our perspectives are unique to our experience. Let love in our hearts guide us to wisdom. Respect and honor the journey.

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

[Neo]

what was this thread about again :sleep_1:

[Anchor]

what was this thread about again :sleep_1:

Myplanet has a valid point, and it is voiced in EXACTLY the right part of the forum in my opinion.

I agree with it almost in its entirety, except that as some others have pointed out, it leaves little room for the idea that the path is long and we are all different lengths along it in our progress.

Camelot and the whistle blower thing will always be a useful source of information for those that still need to see the nature of the game we are being played at, and perhaps will help them to take control and play that game properly instead of being controlled, lied to, defrauded and cheated at every turn.

Everything has a reason, including this forum!

A..

[Carrie1971]

what was this thread about again :sleep_1:


I am not kidding... When I say I cannot really GET what it started out as but since I seem to be posting at the last part of it hopefully it may die.


B&K are doing the job they are doing, as best as they can, and still be having some form of a "life".

The FEAR thing is something that THEY BOTH agree can and should be avoided. As I have stated again and again. If you "buy into" the whole idea that "THEY" and you can fill that (they) in with whom or whatever you want to are out to "get us" that we must buy gold, or stock up huge amounts of food or any other number of the things we are being told then "they win".

We each have a body (which you can make choices of what you will do with it or what you will let be put in it)... IT is YOUR body to feed food, bath and care for.

You have a mind which you make choices of what you are going to put in that, and what you will do with your body. ( take care of it or let it go to waste ) Your mind maybe hard to control but if you make the choice to control your mind and stay out of the fear state your body and mind will both be much better off.

This body and mind has a golden substance called soul.. YOUR own soul is what will learn or not here in this life time. Folks we are all here to learn some important things.. The very best thing I can say is I care about each of you enough to say Learn to LOVE. Each of us here on earth at this TIME is in the same boat. So grab ahold of the ore and help get this thing to the next wonderful place.

There maybe a "master plan" and a few people may think they "know" what that plan is. Each of us who say "NO" and do not even rent thinking space to some of these plans can make it so they never come to pass. Keep your mind free of the bad things and try hard to do the good things.

So may the force be with you. You have made it to the end of this post and I do forget... what was the question again??

[Ravens and Doves]

Woah.....harsh words. Remember the roots of this forum. Project Camelot.


We don't know what we might hear about next. And we'll hear nothing about
anything if we close off the channels. All we have to do is use personel judgement on all that we hear and see.

These matters aren't done and dusted. This is just the beginning.


Thank You.

This is the most senseless thread I've ever tried to understand on this forum. And speaking of this Forum and Project Cam - If you don't like it, why are you hanging around? Why not un-sub? Nobody's forcing anybody to read the forum or watch the videos. We are free to click away anytime we want.

Paul

[Karen]

I say again:

Be the change you want to see on this forum.
Ignore the rest.

[Karen]

I used to think I should try to save people from certain "negative" experiences.

Then I realized some of my most valuable lessons were in spending years studying something only to find out I'd been scammed. Nobody can tell you the lessons that you came here to experience. Who am I to deprive someone of following the path they came here to follow and learn from?

I spent many years reading and believing sweet lies prepared for us by TPTB. I'm tending to believe now what Don Croft and Don Bradley have revealed about the "New Age Stable" people listed below (plus many more not listed there). There is also the Tavistock Institute of social engineering that John Coleman has written about.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=14331

"Six or seven years before we met he had come to understand that the Great White Brotherhood is a satanic organization and that, essentially, everything and everyone he believed passionately in was false. An Illuminati oracle has to be kept from this truth so that his master can send him out into the ethers like a kite to retrieve information that the spiritually degraded master can't access. The Great White Brotherhood uses this retrieved information and it's subsidiaries, including the CIA and British MI6, to create disinformation and thus infiltrate and then corrupt the legitimately progressive movements and otherwise-discerning, inquisitive individuals in the world.

"He began opposing them instead of supporting them and for years his former masters gave him a lot of slack, even allowing him to go on the lecture circuits with conspiracy authors and militia leaders and tell the public what he knew.

"Torkum Sassarian had died right before DB woke up, by the way. He showed me a photo of a gathering of New Age gurus, with Sassarian in their midst, taken in 1987 on the grounds of the Masonic Temple in Sedona, Arizona. During that conference they were designing the mind control agenda that would be called, 'the Harmonic Convergence.' Present were DB, Sassarian, Gregg Braden, Drunvalo Melchizedek, Jean Houston, Shirley MacLaine, James Twyman and a dozen other people whose names I didn't recognize, including Goru Adachi, from Japan, whom DB mistakenly assumed was Ken Adachi, who is an Italian guy from Brooklyn."

[lucrum]

Guys, please chill and take a moment to breathe and think about the root of this issue. :)

I agree that Avalon strayed from the initial intended path, that fear mongering have been a great part of this forum for some time now. But please consider this:

Q: When will the word of a whistleblower, be it fear induced or not, become a problem?
A: When we INDIVIDUALLY make it into a problem.

We can't tell people to shut their face, only because they have nothing new to contribute or is saying things we do not like or approve of. In what way have we then proven to be ANY better than TPTB?

It's every single soul's job on this forum and elsewhere, to collect the info, sort it, reject what does not make sense and ultimately make your own conclusion. It's in your own heart to reject fear as an issue. By getting frustrated, fed up and downright ****** off you only make it clear to yourself that you fear the fear itself.

In my honest opinion one should NEVER believe anything the whistleblowers say. They aren't there to make you believe (even though some want that to happen). They are there to give you fragments of truth, that you only stick by IF they feel right for you and makes sense/can be proven. In the case you believe fiction that is yet to be proven fact, you build up a support of knowledge that might not exist.

What happens when it's proven wrong or the claims never lead anywhere? That's right, your supports fall and you get angry and frustrated leaving you in a mess.

Let's not turn this into religion guys, without claiming religion HAVE to be a bad thing. It just doesn't fit into this way of thinking.

Stay positive, take part in what feels right and reject what does not. In the end it makes absolutely no difference what the next person thinks or does. ;)

Truth is relative, what I find true aren't always what you find true...at least not until we all think like one great mind. :)

[Metaphor]

Thanks for starting this thread MP2. It helped me clear my thoughts.
You are very right about US being creators. I have had indications of that myself(Many things I have wished for has been presented to me in a few months time).
I suspect that there is some truth to the theory of 4D stage being where we consciously create as we go along

[Stargazer1965]

This is my last post....Thanks MP2...this is what I've been thinking for a while. I started with the thrill of being woke up from a deep sleep. I saw all the new world of the possibility I knew was out there.

I think I watched Wilcock first and then Hoagland.....I was looking for something to draw me out of the blackness of sleep.

B&K...thank you.....Now the final chapter has been written. Time to finish the novel with no more addendums.

The work is there as a whole to wake the folks up that are just starting out on the road.

I've grown out of needing to talk about change and try to affect it now.

I suffer from the same angst as MP2....I stayed too long talking about change and not making it.

Goodbye folks......Enjoy every sandwich!!!

:lmfao:

[tone3jaguar]

[QUOTE=Barcarolle;163687] Its quite unbelievable how the weak minded, fear controlled need to pollute these boards with such a load of BS ..... The problem with this is that is gathers others aboard this sheep train and its contagious and manipulative.(enter at won risk)

My instincts tell me that Myplanet2 is probably one of the strongest willed and minded posting up around here. Making ambiguous comments about "loads of BS" without explaining why or what is the BS carries no weight.

you obviously are hoping to crush peoples journey and intended pathways as we are all here for one reason and its obvious you cannot handle the current situation and require your own ways in bringing others into your dark work of misunderstanding and confusion.

He is not obviously doing anything close to this.

We are all learning here, we need to be calm and not allow ourselves to be pointing fingers and abusing a certain "whistle blowers" or anyones thoughts or belief once you do you have failed this lesson........


Ahh yes, the old trust your leaders as they lead you off the edge of a cliff.

Once they have exposed themselves as fiction writers then they are no longer wistleblowers. They are then just very creative deceptive people. I want to make a video where I set a few of these "whistleblowers" in a room and I sit in front of them blowing on a coaches whistle until I pass out.

[Metaphor]

I guess some people have finished the theory-course and are ready to put it in practical terms. No more sitting on my ****, lets LIVE IT. Not talk about it.
This place is a great place for like minded sekers to exchange ideas for growth. Its obvious that for some its like going through the same level in school year after year. It gets repetitve and boring I guess.
Im not there yet, but remembering that I was a high school-dropout in my days makes me think Im not gonna here in the lounge much longer. All crewpersonnel please report to the gates! Duty calls!

[gscraig]

I am actually glad to see this thread.

It means people are now noticing that it is time to change the game, or remove themselves from it.

MP2 is simply trying to be the change he wishes to see, and expressing it via this post. He indeed has the right to do that. No post is silly, senseless, or a waste of time. If it adds no value to you personally, then we should perhaps leave it for others to assess.
Additionally, sharing doom and gloom scenarios are beneficial to all of us in terms of preparation consideration, but regurgitating the same doom and gloom scenarios is pitiful indeed. Thereafter, you may choose to envision a positive alternative to manifest, but by all means do not be afraid of at least being told of unpopular scenarios. That's like asking for a blindfold with a set of earplugs and a glass of sunshine, please.

This is similar to what I expressed in another post. B&K by all means may continue to conduct interviews and are well respected and appreciated for their efforts. However, Project Camelot, Godlike Productions, Eagles Disobey, Nutrimedical Radio show, Consciousness Media, etc, etc, etc....These outlets do and have served some purpose, but the next interview or hearing the lastest fantastic secret (supposedly) isn't going to wake many more up, because most of the audiece are already awake. There is a redundacy of information from WB's now, that you have to ask;"Why this interview?" or "Why not focus on the new info this person has to offer?". Afterall, we know they edit these interviews before their released. To which some may say, another "controlled" message after all.

This means we are not getting any closer to DISCLOSURE for the masses or more people. Many viewing these WB outlets (other than the Disclosure Project) will struggle accepting the information, because it is now geared towards those already aware. This then creates a repetitive cycle that stagnates and decreases in value, importance and urgency unless it is real time helpful information (e.g; Swine Flu or the Economy).
To Camelot's credit, they are working on changing their site to better present it's material from A-Z. Kudos! indeed.

Just as we have done with those elected officials in Brain-Washington, DC and the White-Lie House, we start accepting things as they are instead of demanding something new or an evolved effort. This in turn will indeed allow us to better influence our experiences as a whole via consciousness on this planet.

This site is still indeed valuable, because there are many of us who know info that comes from experiences, communicate with others whom are aware, and get news from different parts of the world we may otherwise never know about.

So, all the postings are correct in there own right, but MP2 is now demanding from alternative media sources, what the citizens of this planet should have demanded from it's elected "o-fish-ials" in their governments a long time ago...A fragmentation of it's structure to create a new paradigm.
This one does not serve it's initial purpose anymore.

[Myplanet2]

Myplanet has a valid point, and it is voiced in EXACTLY the right part of the forum in my opinion.

I agree with it almost in its entirety, except that as some others have pointed out, it leaves little room for the idea that the path is long and we are all different lengths along it in our progress.

Camelot and the whistle blower thing will always be a useful source of information for those that still need to see the nature of the game we are being played at, and perhaps will help them to take control and play that game properly instead of being controlled, lied to, defrauded and cheated at every turn.

Everything has a reason, including this forum!

A..

Thanks, Anchor. But I wonder if even that is still true?

Let me explain.

If you accept the idea that we are all creative beings, and that we've already changed things for the better here on earth as evidenced by the fact that so many predictions have fallen short, then where exactly do we sit right now in this reality?

As I've had explained to me by a some higher dimensional beings of light, Earth is now in a unique situation in all of creation. Those of us here now, have some serious creative horse power, and we are here for the express purpose of writing the final chapter in this game of exploring the polarities in the 3D realm. And what's different, and which has been noticed by several who USED to be able to see the future events, is that there are no more future events. We are creating now, in the now. And what we create becomes instantly available to others visiting the now.

This opens enormous vistas to consider. It's essentially why there is so much interest in the earth right now. It's why there are literally millions of ET crafts parked in our solar system just out of our visual range, Glued to their 'monitors'. None of them know how this will end.

So I suggest that where it may once have been true that we must all follow some path through something or other, so as to get to the other side of that something or other and emerge into the light, that may no longer be the case.

We are writing that chapter RIGHT NOW. We decide how the rest of this game plays out and what the final disposition will be.

It's one of the reason I feel so strongly that we must switch from react to create, and also why the whistleblower gig is up. They can only possibly be reporting on "old" news. Because there is no new news.

So in eschewing the whistleblower testimony, and choosing instead to focus on what we DO want, it is no longer anything like avoiding our fears, or failing to follow our paths.

We are free to create new paths, and if we wish to create them without the necessity of experiencing fear in order to arrive at the light, then so be it. It's up to us. We can still do it that way, but why bother?

A huge wave of cleansing energy has recently washed over us. Some bathed in it and handled many lifetimes worth of baggage. Others chose to cling like barnacles to their familiar 3D haunts. Lovely for them too. The next wave coming this fall, will be even more intense, and the barnacles will eventually lose their grip on 3D and wake up in the 4TH and 5TH density realms. (I am now actually splattered across all 3 dimensions :shocked: but primarily in the 4th)

I'd never try to take away anothers choice on what path to follow, but I would suggest that since everything has changed recently, and since many new options are available to us, and that since the old 3D polarity game is all played out, that now might be a good time to examine how we "do business" in 3D.

Hope this translates into human :mfr_lol:

[Jnana]

MyPlanet2 wrote: The PTB have nothing. They have no hold over us. They can do nothing to us. If we say "go away and leave us alone", there is nothing they can do to us. They know we are creator beings, who can manifest freely. They know if we are left to our own devices, we will not continue to create a world where those few little dweebs control the rest of us. Their only chance is to trick us into believing we have reasons to fear them. Or trick us into believing that all is under their control, and that we must obey or have our permission to survive withdrawn by them. They can not do this in any forthright manner. They must use trickery.
Very well stated. All they have is the power of suggestion.

gscraig wrote:
This means we are not getting any closer to DISCLOSURE for the masses or more people. Many viewing these WB outlets (other than the Disclosure Project) will struggle accepting the information, because it is now geared towards those already aware. This then creates a repetitive cycle that stagnates and decreases in value, importance and urgency unless it is real time helpful information (e.g; Swine Flu or the Economy).


Disclosure is up to us. I talked to my daughters and parents about some of my ET craft sightings/interactions this weekend. At first my daughters simply tried to tune me out, but I think a little bit got through. My parents may think I'm a bit nuts, but my step-dad is interested enough in physics that we could talk about the theory of gravitation and how Einstein's view doesn't quite work, opening up the possibility of field propulsion. You have to come at it from various angles.

[Unified Serenity]

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=14331



AWESOME LINK!!!!!


A HUGE THANK YOU Karen!!!!!!!!!

Anything else along this that you may wish to convey here or pm is very welcome information. I've read on orgone before, but never this link. Thanks a billion!

[Humble Janitor]

To me, whistleblowers can be valuable but as the human ego has demonstrated, it can be very easy to get wrapped up in one's work and to start thinking of yourself as some sort of "messiah" or "messenger" to others.

I think a moratorium on whistleblowers may be a good idea since we don't really know what's the truth or what isn't the truth and we can thank the powers that were for this.

I don't believe in new age anything because I see that as a movement driven purely by ego and there are some things that genuinely anger me about that movement (white people trying to become shamans is one of those things).

[endonthisnote]

hey everyone,
just wanted to thank MP2 for the original post...lets begin co-creating and dispense with co-reacting.
i also want to thank bill and kerry for their work...we wouldn't be exploring this experience if it wasn't for them.
lastly, i want to leave everyone with one of my favourite robert anton wilson quotes: "if you think you know what the hell is going on, you're probably full of sh*t."

[THE eXchanger]

xxx

[TruthWillSetUFree]

I have heard different theories one being that we will be able to go through a dimensional doorway when things here get really crazy, but it will depend on what level of vibration you are emitting, not like a right or wrong or personal thing, but how one innately lives their life and the vibration you are.

Maybe there will be a portal to go into, has anyone else heard this theory?

I had another thought too, as our DNA is changing and more and more people are immune to diseases,etc, could it be that vaccines, flu won't have any effect on us?

I too feel fed up with the so called 'whistleblower' stuff and do not take them seriously, everyone has their own agenda, whether they are selling you an idea, vitamins, CD's, books, whatever, the only person I can trust for Truth is myself and I appreciate everyone's sharing on this as it has helped me see my thinking isn't as crazy as I thought but is in alignment with many of you here.

I am living one moment at a time....in love and peace. Because that is what I CHOOSE. I will not allow tptb or any of their minions to frighten me into living fearfully.

[rhythm]

evan being here now


can seem like all over the


place :roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1:

[Metaphor]

I don't believe in new age anything because I see that as a movement driven purely by ego and there are some things that genuinely anger me about that movement (white people trying to become shamans is one of those things).

I see your point, but I dont see the problem with white people turning to shamanism? Where I live it would be perfectly normal, as the old Viking-shamanism (ie Rune-magick) is still being practiced, and has been passed on from generation to generation.
Just a reflection in all friendliness. Back to topic.

[Myplanet2]

I have heard different theories one being that we will be able to go through a dimensional doorway when things here get really crazy, but it will depend on what level of vibration you are emitting, not like a right or wrong or personal thing, but how one innately lives their life and the vibration you are.

Maybe there will be a portal to go into, has anyone else heard this theory?

I had another thought too, as our DNA is changing and more and more people are immune to diseases,etc, could it be that vaccines, flu won't have any effect on us?

I too feel fed up with the so called 'whistleblower' stuff and do not take them seriously, everyone has their own agenda, whether they are selling you an idea, vitamins, CD's, books, whatever, the only person I can trust for Truth is myself and I appreciate everyone's sharing on this as it has helped me see my thinking isn't as crazy as I thought but is in alignment with many of you here.

I am living one moment at a time....in love and peace. Because that is what I CHOOSE. I will not allow tptb or any of their minions to frighten me into living fearfully.

we can intersect all of the dimensions right here and now. I don't believe there will be any sort of instantaneous shift as though walking out of one room and into another. (not sure about those playing at 3D barnacle)

What's happened with me, is I've realized that I've been functioning in the 3rd and at least 4th dimensions for some time now, except I didn't realize that is what it was. Now after lots of study, personal processing work, and communication with Higher dimensional beings, I have expanded my functionality and perceptions in some higher dimensions. I'm much more functional in 4th now than 3rd, (and much more comfortable there too) and I've been growing into the 5th more and more.

It's still easy for me to drop out of the 5th because I still have too much 3d baggage of lower vibrational frequency to be able to maintain the frequency range of the 5th. But if I recognize that is what's happened, I can fix it and shift back up instantly.

I may have some functionality in other higher dimensions, but am not presently aware of it.

A big part of it was simply learning about it and then looking at what was happening and making the connections and then reinforcing them.

I have no doubt that many more here are having similar experiences and simply counting them as 3D occurances. 3d is a pancaked reality, which makes discernment harder.

Once you recognize what you are seeing, it becomes easier to peel them apart and study your interactions with more discernment.

I know a few people right here on avalon who are already primarily in the 5th dimension while remaining incarnated here.

We are writing the new rules of existence ourselves. Let's be nice to ourselves. Give ourselves a fun future. think of it like you are writing your own paycheck. :wink2:

[iainl140285]

The Universe is cyclical.
On the micro and macro level.

On the macro level, we have our solar system.The Earth around the sun etc.

On the micro level, we have the whistle blowers recycling the same stories with their own twist. The whistleblowers =http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1972/piedpiperofhamelin1.png (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

:lol3::lmao:

Well done myplanet for realising this and breaking the cycle

[777 The Great Work]

:mfr_lol: :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:
:lol3::lol3::lol3::lol3::lol3::lol3::lol3::lol3:

[orthodoxymoron]

Some of the whistleblowers really blew it. :trumpet: :thumbdown:

[THE eXchanger]

xxx

[jaby]

The Universe is cyclical.
On the micro and macro level.

On the macro level, we have our solar system.The Earth around the sun etc.

On the micro level, we have the whistle blowers recycling the same stories with their own twist. The whistleblowers =http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1972/piedpiperofhamelin1.png (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

:lol3::lmao:

Well done myplanet for realising this and breaking the cycle


Are you talking about ALL whistleblowers?

Every single one?

You think they are ALL like the Pied Piper? Implying that people just follow them blindly. Are you implying all the people who follow the Camelot videos are easily led?

I'm sorry...but this is getting ridiculous now. No-one is stopping anyone from DOING what they want....dispensing with whistleblowers and Camelot, if they want to.....and going D.I.Y , or what-ever.

So many of you think that you've 'outgrown' all this whistleblower thing...that now it's all gone sour and we are all following blindly with fear in our hearts. That's fine. Thats great....just do what you have to do.....

BUT...to tar all the whistleblowers with the same brush is disrespectful.

There are a small minority that could be suspect....but using the general term 'whistleblowers' and making sweeping statements...negative ones..is not helpful.

Perhaps when attacking whistleblowers you should make it clear who you mean.


C'mon. Make your changes if you want to. We are ALL changing and learning. But don't do it at the expense of people (whistleblowers) who have genuinely tried to impart information for the benifit of all.

[Myplanet2]

Jaby. no offence, but you're simply not following along.

[Unified Serenity]

It goes back to the victim mentality. There are many in the American Indian culture who are angry over what happened to their tribes, and I don't have a problem with their anger. I do have a problem with their hurling it my way because I am a mystic and I study various spiritual paths. As far as I know, I did not have anything to do with the attacks their tribes suffered.

We are moving and evolving spiritually into a higher being. Some are awake and some are not. I also believe that we often incarnate into a race we once hated. I don't hate any race. I don't understand racist people. I've never understood mean people. I am not perfect and not afraid to look at my reactions to people and events in my life. I wish we could get over the past. I desire for the human race to choose to move forward in love to treat each other with love and respect. I can only work on myself and try to be a messenger of truth and love in my world.

Thanks again for the message Exchange.

take a good look at the colour of your palms/and, the colour of the bottom of your feet -- all people are the same colour there i was told, that whatever incarnation, you currently are in
that is WHO YOU HATED, in your last lifetime

[jaby]

Jaby. no offence, but you're simply not following along.

Well you see.......that's because I'm not a follower.

No Pied Pipers for me.....and that includes YOU...:original:

In a nutshell...you are not going to grow and progress if you go around being negative about the majority of individuals who have generallly tried to impart information for the benifit of all.

Even the title of this thread could be classed as mischeivious.

I know I'm coming in strong...but I think it's needed. I am entitled to express how I feel about all this 'Bye, bye whistleblowers' stuff. And the vibe it's giving out.

And I'm perceiving the vibe as 'holier than thou' with negative overtones.

Sorry if that doesn't 'follow' the script...but that's how it is.

[iainl140285]

Are you talking about ALL whistleblowers?

BUT...to tar all the whistleblowers with the same brush is disrespectful.
Disrespectful to whom?

There are a small minority that could be suspect....but using the general term 'whistleblowers' and making sweeping statements...negative ones..is not helpful.
If you have taken the comparison as negative (which you seem to have taken the majority of posts in this thread) then that is how YOU have taken it. Irespective of how you have percieved my post I respect your stance 100% and am not here to 'convert' you. Just state my opinion:thumb_yello::original:


:original:

[sammytray]

When Dan burisch was first talking about the incredible technology he says he used, it was exciting. When John Lear and Richard Hoagland talked about how things were not at all as they were being presented as regards our forays into space, it was exciting. When George Green was first talking about what he learned while hobnobbing with the PTB it was exciting. Dave Wilcock said he talked to an ancient being who had much wisdom to share. That was exciting.

[ huge complete quote trimmed - A..]

It really is bye bye whistleblower time, and not just for me. Whistelblower can only add to the mayhem at this point, and can only serve to feed the PTB the fuel they require for their plans to proceed. Fear.


So what are you going to do to save everyone from the "whistleblowers"?

Start your own forum for peace and love?

Lets all meditate and change the world? (actually, not a bad idea) :naughty:

If its not one polarity its the other... back and forth, back and forth. I can see how someone new to this **** could be caught in the middle of a tug-0-war. At some point you have to pull yourself out of this mess and step into your own little "dimension".

Its exhausting...




And about "emotion" as you stated above... I agree, emotion IS ENERGY IN MOTION. It shows no favor.

[Anchor]

Well you see.......that's because I'm not a follower.

No Pied Pipers for me.....and that includes YOU...:original:

MP2 simply presents a perspective - there is (in my own judgement/opinion) no coercion or freewill infringement going on here - no leading - no pied pipering - just an offering.

The truth will set you free, but first it WILL p*ss you off!

For many people reacting to this thread, I think this may apply (but that is because I think MP2 is speaking the truth, and therefore I could also be wrong ;) - its for you to decide.

I think that it is true that once you do start to see things from a extra-dimensional perspective the UFO's and whistle blowers stuff is just so much distraction, for me thats why I only joined when Avalon got added to Camelot.

I get questioned all the time why I dont get wrapped up in that stuff and I have a hard time answering it. Perhaps this thread is the closest approach to that answer that I have ever seen on this forum - and my thanks go to MP2 for that.

Much of the "truth" is a lot simpler than the stories presented by whistleblowers. Knowingly or not many of them are promulgating the biggest deception ever of the human race. I choose not to be distracted by that.

In a nutshell...you are not going to grow and progress if you go around being negative about the majority of individuals who have generallly tried to impart information for the benifit of all.

Negative ? For the reasons stated above - I think not.

Even the title of this thread could be classed as mischeivious.

Now that I do partially agree with. Perhaps we can co-create a new one. I can change it and I guarantee MP2 wont mind. I am open to suggestions.

I know I'm coming in strong...but I think it's needed. I am entitled to express how I feel about all this 'Bye, bye whistleblowers' stuff.

You are totally allowed to do that and you are not coming on too strong at all. Each of us is MANDATED to question everything and discern for themselves. Its the law!

The game we are playing now is for keeps. There is not much room left here on this planet for woolly thinking or sitting on the fence for too long - that fence is getting less strong all the time, and soon its going to collapse. One way or another each of us will find themselves one side of it or other. Some will change at the last moment.

It is so thrillingly exciting and such a wild ride! Personally if it wasnt already obvious, I am on the same side of that fence as MP2 - I know that I am among a crowd, and of those surrounding me are masses of discarnate forces who were never on Earth, but with hands outstretched offering help to all - the help is there for the asking.

And I'm perceiving the vibe as 'holier than thou' with negative overtones.

Sorry if that doesn't 'follow' the script...but that's how it is.

I am not seeing it the same way you do, but as with all - we are each individuals and we will each perceive things differently according to our own circumstances.

A..

[swordsmith]

I like information, I find it empowering to know what's going on behind the scenes of the globalist agenda. But whistleblowers often run out of air , get a little high on their prolonged exertions , end up a bit red in the face and sometimes carry others away with them. Then people get mad for being carted off.
I prefer people a bit more down to earth who stick to what they really know without the spin and inuendo.
Catherine Austin Fitts (the bill). http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2009/08aug/RIR-090823.php

[Myplanet2]

Well you see.......that's because I'm not a follower.

No Pied Pipers for me.....and that includes YOU...:original:

In a nutshell...you are not going to grow and progress if you go around being negative about the majority of individuals who have generallly tried to impart information for the benifit of all.

Even the title of this thread could be classed as mischeivious.

I know I'm coming in strong...but I think it's needed. I am entitled to express how I feel about all this 'Bye, bye whistleblowers' stuff. And the vibe it's giving out.

And I'm perceiving the vibe as 'holier than thou' with negative overtones.

Sorry if that doesn't 'follow' the script...but that's how it is.

No. Sorry, Jaby. This isn't about scripts or pied pipers or black and white statements where the topic under discussion is in shades of grey. If you miss, or ignore the nuances of discussion and then object to what you expect to be there instead of what actually IS there, then it's just you not following the conversation.

Your comments demonstrate a misunderstanding of the subject of this thread.

You are free to comment all you like, just as you are free to pass this thread by and go onto other subject where you are able to follow along. It's your choice.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

information is information it is what you do with it that counts. i like david ikes take on the fact that we are saturated with what is going on, so now what are we gonna do about it. i take it all with a pinch of salt and i have good days and bad days..

[Steven]

Discernment.

When a solid revelation hits the crowd, the manipulators creates myriads of different versions of this revelation to overwhelm the minds. Each with small divergences so confusion is the result.

A good example is Latina America of the 60's. A new theology grew up in the small communities of the catholic church. "La teologia de la liberation". A movement that was synchronized with the latine communism evolution, which was very different from the one in ex-USSR.

Church became a place of union for the people. What was the response form the manipulators?

Creating and financing hundreds of different churches. It took about 15 years to divide the people. In Amazonas Brazil, 30 years later, there was over 500 different churches for a population of about 20 million people. No more movement of "liberation" nor communism strong enough to threaten the power in place.

I'm resuming the whole history forgetting many details for the purpose of reveling the patterns manipulators operate when threatens by revelation with the power to unite.

They did the same with our well know Jesus and many others. They're still doing the same with our whistleblowers. Creating an army of "false prophet" to follow their famous "book of revelation", a book that was once genuine, now so corrupted.

That's where discernment comes into play. But how to discern? You all know how. Deeply in you, you know how.

Namaste, Steven

[Humble Janitor]

take a good look at the colour of your palms/and,
the colour of the bottom of your feet -- all people are the same colour there

What I am talking about is people who read a book or take a course and then proclaim that they are shamans.

These are people who do not wish to put the hard work into their spirituality and they are ego-driven.

I am NOT saying that all white people who go this route are wrong.

But I have met people with absolutely no recorded native ancestry that claim to be natives. I usually don't try to correct them but rather leave them be because who am I to judge them as being wrong?

I suppose that could apply to the shaman thing as well.

[Humble Janitor]

I see your point, but I dont see the problem with white people turning to shamanism? Where I live it would be perfectly normal, as the old Viking-shamanism (ie Rune-magick) is still being practiced, and has been passed on from generation to generation.
Just a reflection in all friendliness. Back to topic.

Yes, eXchanger made a good point about this.

Sorry to derail the subject.

[tone3jaguar]

I don't believe in new age anything because I see that as a movement driven purely by ego and there are some things that genuinely anger me about that movement (white people trying to become shamans is one of those things).

New Age is just a label in a society that desires to label everything. It is one of the most over used ambiguous references in the world today. Everything not main stream religion is grouped into it. For that reason I do not use the term either. On the other hand, I think that people are getting a little to hard lined with the avoid the ego paradigm. You don't make decisions that erase the ego, you raise your vibration and the ego gradually morphs and fades to subtlety. It will still be there, but only as a background template instead of the structure of your world view.

If someone is trying to become shaman when they are not born into the frequency of a shaman (astrological, not bloodlines) they will become either frustrated or very clever at tricking people. You don't choose the shamanic path, it chooses you. Yes you choose it before incarnation, but unfortunately you are oblivious to it until someone tells you or the other side walks up to you and bitch slaps you. Then about 10 years later when your head starts to slow down from the spinning induced by the spiritual bitch slap you begin to form a coherent shamanic paradigm. Or at least that is the way I understand it.

[Karen]

Well said Myplanet2. It made me laugh out loud to read the newest post on Camel Toe. I thought is was even more hilarious on the heels of Kerry saying on the radio that she and Bill were being attacked on "their own forum"...which proves they lurk here but CONTRIBUTE NOTHING. This forum is a game for them to watch and enjoy. Only to stroke the enormous ego. Too funny and sad simultaneously

franciejones,

You jump to conclusions which are not true. Kerry rarely logs into the forum - only when I report something to her that she must deal with, and her last log in as anyone can see in her profile (on the left) was June 30 at 6:29 am.

Bill Ryan's last log in was Dec 8, 2008 just shortly after he agreed to run the forum while Kerry ran Camelot. The only answer I got from Bill on that was that the Projects have whisked him off in directions and intensities he never dreamed of. And I'm guessing the new girlfriend has needed some attention.

So perhaps they know they are being attacked on their own forum because other people are reporting that to them - sending them copies?

If, as you said in another post, you're sorry for the money you sent them, why are you spending your life energy here. Every minute of my life is much more precious to me than any amount of money.

[lucrum]

The vibe of this thread got upped a bit in some of the last posts, keep up that track! :D

It's hard to see at first, but I think most of us agree in different words. ;)

[franciejones]

franciejones,

You jump to conclusions which are not true. Kerry rarely logs into the forum - only when I report something to her that she must deal with, and her last log in as anyone can see in her profile (on the left) was June 30 at 6:29 am.

Bill Ryan's last log in was Dec 8, 2008 just shortly after he agreed to run the forum while Kerry ran Camelot. The only answer I got from Bill on that was that the Projects have whisked him off in directions and intensities he never dreamed of. And I'm guessing the new girlfriend has needed some attention.

So perhaps they know they are being attacked on their own forum because other people are reporting that to them - sending them copies?

If, as you said in another post, you're sorry for the money you sent them, why are you spending your life energy here. Every minute of my life is much more precious to me than any amount of money.

Karen,

Why do you care if I come to this forum? Why do you always interject as though you have control over what others think and contribute here? Why do you not keep your comments regarding my posts to yourself? I find that the moderators here are very controlling. I will stay here as long as I like. I will stay here and read and post if I choose until my subscription runs out. I do not jump to any conclusions. Perhaps you do this.

[jaby]

Well said Myplanet2. It made me laugh out loud to read the newest post on Camel Toe. I thought is was even more hilarious on the heels of Kerry saying on the radio that she and Bill were being attacked on "their own forum"...which proves they lurk here but CONTRIBUTE NOTHING. This forum is a game for them to watch and enjoy. Only to stroke the enormous ego. Too funny and sad simultaneously

franciejones,

You jump to conclusions which are not true. Kerry rarely logs into the forum - only when I report something to her that she must deal with, and her last log in as anyone can see in her profile (on the left) was June 30 at 6:29 am.

Bill Ryan's last log in was Dec 8, 2008 just shortly after he agreed to run the forum while Kerry ran Camelot. The only answer I got from Bill on that was that the Projects have whisked him off in directions and intensities he never dreamed of. And I'm guessing the new girlfriend has needed some attention.

So perhaps they know they are being attacked on their own forum because other people are reporting that to them - sending them copies?

If, as you said in another post, you're sorry for the money you sent them, why are you spending your life energy here. Every minute of my life is much more precious to me than any amount of money.

Karen,

Why do you care if I come to this forum? Why do you always interject as though you have control over what others think and contribute here? Why do you not keep your comments regarding my posts to yourself? I find that the moderators here are very controlling. I will stay here as long as I like. I will stay here and read and post if I choose until my subscription runs out. I do not jump to any conclusions. Perhaps you do this.






I am in whole-hearted support of Karen's post addressing what you said.

The post you made at the beginning of this thread was mischievious at best and devious at worst.

The last one you made was more of the same.

This statement you made was the pits... You said.. "This forum is a game for them to watch and enjoy. Only to stroke the enormous ego. Too funny and sad simultaneously."


While you are entitled to say what you want, within forum rules...others are entitled to do the same. Moderators do the job they do...but they are also members who can make posts just like everyone else.

[Seashore]

Karen,

Why do you care if I come to this forum? Why do you always interject as though you have control over what others think and contribute here? Why do you not keep your comments regarding my posts to yourself? I find that the moderators here are very controlling. I will stay here as long as I like. I will stay here and read and post if I choose until my subscription runs out. I do not jump to any conclusions. Perhaps you do this.

Maybe Karen is trying to protect the integrity of Camelot/Avalon as a valuable platform for the world to benefit from.

franciejones,

Does your criticism of Kerry Cassidy have anything to do with her having "chewed you out" as you relay in this post?

[franciejones]

I think it is a bit grandiose to think that this forum is something the "world" will benefit from . I am one of the original supporters of Camelot and if I or others do not appreciate the path it has recently taken, then I will share this for the people here who are smart enough to recognize it and agree with me via this forum and PM's. Each poster has the right to disagree with me OR others and to say as much. If you find my comments devious that is your opinion and take on it. I am glad you read them tho.

[franciejones]

franciejones,

Does your criticism of Kerry Cassidy have anything to do with her having "chewed you out" as you relay in this post?

It could be that in part, I do not deny it. However, I use it as proof of her deluding herself long ago that Dan Burisch was a credible "witness" and unwilling to discuss anything that is contrary to what she thinks, such as in a forum. (Since you bring it up :) )

Also, I do not think that I am criticising her. I am only saying how ridiculous I think some of the recent events have been.

[mudra]

So long as one sees things as " good "or " bad " one misses the Heart of things .

Love always
mudra

[Seashore]

I think it is a bit grandiose to think that this forum is something the "world" will benefit from .

Why the quotation marks in the above?

[THE eXchanger]

[xxx

[Seashore]

... one misses the Heart of things


What is the heart of things as related to this thread? In other words, what is the point?

[Myplanet2]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mudra
So long as one sees things as " good "or " bad " one misses the Heart of things .

Love always
mudra



well mudra, i do respect most of your thoughts...
however, if i had NOT found
the good/and, the bad in my own heart,

explored the duality - that flows through everything

i would NEVER have truly sorted out,
and, found my "real" heart
which occurred very recently

so both aspects of your heart, are good aspects

as both are great teachers !!!

Our hearts, in one form or another, or no form at all, span all the dimensions. Duality is simply an artifact of 3D, and doesn't survive a shift of focus to other frequency ranges.

So you're both 100% right. It just depends on what focus you are talking about. Good and bad are products of mind. Love is the product of heart, and it doesn't consider good or bad. But if one is routing their path back to source through 3D, then the polarities DO need to be examined and merged/integrated/balanced into a view of unconditional love.

finding that balance is tantamount to gaining a foothold in 5D.

Isn't it exciting?

I'm gearing up for the next band we should be entering in a couple of weeks. Supposed to be a whopper. Last one wrung me out pretty good, but I don't miss what has washed away. My residual issues have been coming up like Wack-a-mole. The surface stuff I can now Scythe away with no effort, but the deeper issues which are primary lessons I came here for, are a little less cooperative yet.

Mean while, huge vistas continue to open up, and all I can do is marvel at where we are headed. What a joy to be incarnated here right now.

[mudra]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mudra
So long as one sees things as " good "or " bad " one misses the Heart of things .

Love always
mudra

Our hearts, in one form or another, or no form at all, span all the dimensions. Duality is simply an artifact of 3D, and doesn't survive a shift of focus to other frequency ranges.

So you're both 100% right. It just depends on what focus you are talking about. Good and bad are products of mind. Love is the product of heart, and it doesn't consider good or bad. But if one is routing their path back to source through 3D, then the polarities DO need to be examined and merged/integrated/balanced into a view of unconditional love.



You understood me well Myplanet2 .
Exchanger I 'll let these words of Myplanet2 speak as my own to answer you.

Love always
mudra

[mudra]

What is the heart of things as related to this thread? In other words, what is the point?

Well Seashore Heart is the soul 's foundation . When we are discussing matters pertaining to life we should not forget that soul and heart is the essence of all things .
We otherwise can get easily lost in the field of our mind and thoughts only .
I consider life as a learning lab for the soul.

Love always
mudra

[THE eXchanger]

xxx

[burgundia]

if you stay only in your own heart -



i do not think this was the message...the words "own" and "only" somewhat manipulate the message....

[mudra]

there isn't anyone who crosses your path,
that can NOT teach you something



I am following you Exchanger.
Life is a great school to the soul.
I'll copy here what I wrote on my new thread " the free soul "

Because it brings so many people together at the same time the opportunity to come in contact with a variety of viewpoints is an interesting experience in it's own.
If you look sincerely back on your life you 'll see that the lessons you learned came both from " good " things and " bad" things.
So all has value in the realm of manifestations. I believe that all of us saw seeds .
When a black seed or a white one falls into a heart it finds fertile soil to grow independant of it's color. So really we are all pupils and teachers at the same time.

Love always
mudra

[mu2143]

I'm not responding on the Whistleblowers, but the post from Karen

I found out without from an out side source that Drunvalo Melchizedek is Satanic, by reading one of his Books.
Your spirit will learn how to see it by reflecting this back to you, by putting you in the right directions to recognize it.

This also warning not to attack to people who are doing evil, because then your playing there game. Real Good does not attack

This how the play it, by being (good) and evil. But there is difference between real good and what is good in your own eyes.
It already speaks for it self.

And then you ask the question what is the difference?
You have allready wittnessed many version of so called Good in your one eyes or evil.

They are being attacked by them without trying to stop them (deffending) and apear as being helpless when there not.(Your already no that there not helpless)
Justifying attacking the evil party is as Attacking some one by calling it a defence and justified is stil evil.(9/11)

Btw I did found this web site just a moment ago about Drunvalo Melchizedek.
http://www.whale.to/b/melchizedek_h.html

------------------------------------------------------------------------
And this does reflect to a response to attack ON any Whistleblowers.

Remember this, what you write/think is reflecting back to you. Creating
that reallity you do not want, if you can not handel the information then you are part of the
problem not the solutions.
Stop attacking the people who speak out, because of what there saying.

Talking about that we are one and attacking some one is NOT the same stop preteding!

In other words you see Fear you are Fear not speaker!!!!!!Ignoring the warning is not a good thing.
By listening to lovely music closing your eyes and waiting for a nice bright light. Just like the last civilization 4000 Years Ago.

[THE eXchanger]

xxx

[sammytray]

"In other words you see Fear you are Fear not speaker!!!!!!Ignoring the warning is not a good thing.
By listening to lovely music closing your eyes and waiting for a nice bright light. Just like the last civilization 4000 Years Ago."

I like this :thumb_yello:
__________________

[tone3jaguar]

[QUOTE=mu2143;164155]I found out without from an out side source that Drunvalo Melchizedek is Satanic, by reading one of his Books.

Dude, WTF?

[sammytray]

[quote]

Dude, WTF?



who the hell is satan?? :roftl:

[Tango]

Karen,

I'm being respectful here; so don't twist any of My words here people.

Please, direct ME to just One negative statement made about

Bill Ryan... The reason I ask is because my eyes don't lie and I haven't

seen anything said about Bill that was Not kind...

I'm NOT a stupid man and I've been on this site without logging in...

If, I've done it... I bet Kerry, may be smart enough to read PA w/o

signing in... I know, that, your smart enough, to come on site without

signing in. And, if you know how to do that and I know how to do that

Welll, you know the rest, Karen.





franciejones,

You jump to conclusions which are not true. Kerry rarely logs into the forum - only when I report something to her that she must deal with, and her last log in as anyone can see in her profile (on the left) was June 30 at 6:29 am.

Bill Ryan's last log in was Dec 8, 2008 just shortly after he agreed to run the forum while Kerry ran Camelot. The only answer I got from Bill on that was that the Projects have whisked him off in directions and intensities he never dreamed of. And I'm guessing the new girlfriend has needed some attention.

So perhaps they know they are being attacked on their own forum because other people are reporting that to them - sending them copies?

If, as you said in another post, you're sorry for the money you sent them, why are you spending your life energy here. Every minute of my life is much more precious to me than any amount of money.

[Karen]

Karen,
I'm being respectful here; so don't twist any of My words here people.
1) Please, direct ME to just One negative statement made about
Bill Ryan... The reason I ask is because my eyes don't lie and I haven't
seen anything said about Bill that was Not kind...
2) I'm NOT a stupid man and I've been on this site without logging in...
If, I've done it... I bet Kerry, may be smart enough to read PA w/o
signing in... I know, that, your smart enough, to come on site without
signing in. And, if you know how to do that and I know how to do that
Welll, you know the rest, Karen.

Tango, I added numbers to your post. It appears to me you misunderstand. In answer to #1 I didn't say Bill and Kerry were being attacked on their own forum, franciejones said that in post #2 of this thread. I did hear mention of that on one of their whistleblower radio shows, but I don't remember the exact words they used or which one of them said what. Seems it was Kerry that brought it up. Maybe Kerry considers the negative comments made about her to be about both of them as a team. People do say Bill and Kerry this and that a lot.

Oh, and I do recall some negative things said about Bill on this forum some time ago. More recently I remember people saying he doesn't care because he doesn't show up here. But finding these posts? I can do a pretty wicked search if I can remember the correct word to use ... but not sure I can in this case. Maybe if I sleep on it.:wink2:

#2 Every time I come to the forum I am logged in. I don't do anything - I'm just logged in. I don't even know why I wouldn't log in or why Kerry and Bill wouldn't log in. They wanna sneak around so people don't see they are here???? Why??? That doesn't mesh with my experience on the forum or in the back room with them. The only time I wasn't logged in was when I was trying to access the forum from someone else's computer - oh ya, and a long time ago when I had to replace my computer. From my experience, they are NOT looking in here, but I suppose I could be wrong. Gawd if you only knew what I have to go through when they do need to be contacted about something :zip:

[Metaphor]

Ive been returnig to this thread a few times now hopeful that it was back on topic. I feel the promising direction it was going is gone. Could you guys please get over this or take it "backstage" in PM form?

Respectfully
/Meta

[mu2143]

Satan is just another name for lucifer refuring him to beining evil with is the reversed meaning for live!!!

Religion has twisted evering and helliwood has created and twisted the meaning of it.

Remember this symbol! (it is bad!)
http://www.cleffpublishing.com/images/yinyang.jpg

remember that all of are so called leader are satanic and there using specific dates to do the rituals, Like 9/11. Wars are a ritual for them like a blood sacrifice.

[Metaphor]

Remember this symbol! (it is bad!)
http://www.cleffpublishing.com/images/yinyang.jpg


Could you ellaborate that a little bit?

[Anchor]

Btw I did found this web site just a moment ago about Drunvalo Melchizedek.
http://www.whale.to/b/melchizedek_h.html

Did you think that the material reference on that link had any credibility ?

I am not judging your intuition - like if you have a bad feeling about the guy or his books that is great, go with the intuition, but in order to actually state (as if it were a proven fact) that the guy is satanic it would probably be better to have some solid information to base that on.

Otherwise its just your opinion, which I respect, but may not agree with.

A..

[mu2143]

Don't ask me, but ask your self!!
I descern it my self by reading one of his books, just like the law of one.
Do it your self, because you have to understand it your self.

I explain all of things yet you wil not see it even if I prove it to you the things! you wanted to see. (The outside world)

It is like explaining to some one who believes the system that there are slaves of it they just go in to denial and there many levels of denial.

I'm walking on my own pad and if I find any thing interresting to post then I post it.
You do what you want to do with the information. I do not have to prove anything to any one. You descern it your self!!!

I'm not the babysitter

[tone3jaguar]

Satan is a made up figure head of the dark forces just like Santa is a made up figure head of Christmas presents. There is no figure head at the top when it comes to the Dark forces. They all want to be the the head retard and they actually fight amongst themselves as much or more than they mess with us.

Sounds like Sounthern Babtist logic to me.

[Seashore]

...Btw I did found this web site just a moment ago about Drunvalo Melchizedek.
http://www.whale.to/b/melchizedek_h.html ...



Let's establish the author of the article linked above.

Is it Don Croft?

[Myplanet2]

Satan is just another name for lucifer refuring him to beining evil with is the reversed meaning for live!!!

Religion has twisted evering and helliwood has created and twisted the meaning of it.

Remember this symbol! (it is bad!)
http://www.cleffpublishing.com/images/yinyang.jpg

remember that all of are so called leader are satanic and there using specific dates to do the rituals, Like 9/11. Wars are a ritual for them like a blood sacrifice.

SHHH.....you're going to get ODM's attention.
:argue:

[mudra]

Despite all appearances, no one is really evil. They are led astray by ignorance. If you ponder this truth always you will offer more light, rather then blame and condemnation.
You, no less than all beings have Buddha Nature within. Your essential Mind is pure. Therefore, when defilements cause you to stumble and fall, let not remose nor dark foreboding cast you down. Be of good cheer and with this understanding, summon strength and walk on.
Faith is like a lamp and wisdom makes the flame burn bright. Carry this lamp always and in good time the darkness will yield and you will abide in the Light.

Dhammavadaka

Love always
mudra

[Tango]

Karen,

YOU keep grouping K & B together... NO, I'm not misunderstanding anything.
Bill, is responsible for 'his' actions... Kerry, is responsible for 'her' actions.
Why, should Bill, catch flak for Kerry's actions. THAT is MY point. in the last
60 days No negative statement has been made "about" Bill... Or his actions;
He didn't grab some poor sap's hand and drag them ON stage for attention.
In so saying, they [B&K] should not be grouped. I didn't see Bill, ever
waving his arms during the interview; touching a guest in such a manner,
making faces at the camera while the guest tried to answers a question.
Hell, I didn't get to see much of Bill. I would have liked to... Correct me
if I'm wrong here; the statement " No One Controls Kerry " made by Bill,
about a year and a half ago means " Kerry, is responsible for her own
actions." Bill, should stop covering her butt [that is just my opinion].

Since YOU brought her up... franciejones; has every right to Vent... Some
members just left... I vented on three threads and finally, walked it off...
franciejones, is just being used as a Scapegoat, in this case. Is it any
surprise that Peterson, hasn't signed off on his interview. Not to me...

I tried to warn you mods that the site was going to go down; and got
back talk. I just kept quiet when I saw my warning was doubted...

I understand the control of the site is Not yours... I looked into it, in my
own way. And, 'I do' know what you have to go thru when something has
to be delt with. And, I'm Sorry; Kerry is difficult to deal with; and I'll just
leave it there. Cause, I know a lot more than You think... That is why
I don't like the statement " They " [Over N' out].

With respect,


Tango



Tango, I added numbers to your post. It appears to me you misunderstand. In answer to #1 I didn't say Bill and Kerry were being attacked on their own forum, franciejones said that in post #2 of this thread. I did hear mention of that on one of their whistleblower radio shows, but I don't remember the exact words they used or which one of them said what. Seems it was Kerry that brought it up. Maybe Kerry considers the negative comments made about her to be about both of them as a team. People do say Bill and Kerry this and that a lot.

Oh, and I do recall some negative things said about Bill on this forum some time ago. More recently I remember people saying he doesn't care because he doesn't show up here. But finding these posts? I can do a pretty wicked search if I can remember the correct word to use ... but not sure I can in this case. Maybe if I sleep on it.:wink2:

#2 Every time I come to the forum I am logged in. I don't do anything - I'm just logged in. I don't even know why I wouldn't log in or why Kerry and Bill wouldn't log in. They wanna sneak around so people don't see they are here???? Why??? That doesn't mesh with my experience on the forum or in the back room with them. The only time I wasn't logged in was when I was trying to access the forum from someone else's computer - oh ya, and a long time ago when I had to replace my computer. From my experience, they are NOT looking in here, but I suppose I could be wrong. Gawd if you only knew what I have to go through when they do need to be contacted about something :zip:

[iainl140285]

Well, I havent seen much in the way so far on this thread to actually dis credit the 'whistle blowers', so to that end, please read the link:

You can start about half way down. (It covers several of PC whistle blowers.

http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2008/07/masonic-truth-behind-aliensufos.html

Just something to think about :naughty::thumb_yello:

[Carol]

What ever happened to loyalty?


And a little understanding that times are tough, in regards to disinformation and dishonesty. That Kerry and Bill could be under enormous pressure in various ways.

A little empathy would be good, maybe?

And if you don't like what a whistleblower has to say...disregard it.

But more importantly...trust that other members here are perfectly
capable of making their own minds up about what whistleblowers say.

Loyalty to whom and for what? You forget we were behind the scenes and saw what really went on. When there is no loyalty given to the volunteers who put in countless hours to putting this forum together and running it all for free.. then no loyalty is owed from us who do know the truth of the matter.

As for some of the whistleblowers.. I like Bob Dean (whom I suspect is also pushing a different illuminati line). Many of the others who have had alien contact very well may have been subject to mind control and so therefore, their testimony is subject to critical analysis. How do we know that those witnesses who had alien contact with the greys are not still being manipulated and controlled by the greys? The greys are masters at mind control and implanting screened memories. The greys have their own agenda and it is not to help humans but instead is to serve themselves at humans expense. I've since discovered the test of a real witness... one who is not contaminated or influenced by evil influence is the wake they leave following their interactions with others. If people feel uplifted and renewed then it is a good thing. If folks feel agitation, fear, angry or confused... then the exchange is not so good. This means that the witness is not resonating at a higher vibrational frequency and therefore is subject to negative influences. Remember the old saying "like attracts like?"

Just because someone claims to be a witness doesn't mean that what they have to share is the real deal. They may not know themselves how their memory has been manipulated.

BTW, if you want to check when the last time someone logged in just go to their bio page. It's listed there. When I check Bill his last log in was December 8, 2008 of last year and for Kerry 6/30/09.

[Tango]

iainl,

Nice Find... Good Work; research...


Trooly,

Tango

[THE eXchanger]

xxx

[Seashore]

would you like me to ask him ???

:original: That's up to you!!

I see his name when I click on the first hyperlink in the article. Does that make him the author of the whole article? Guess so, but I would like for others to agree or disagree.

[Karen]

Yeah the forum is back up!

[THE eXchanger]

xxx

[Carol]

This also happened to a few other of these types of websites today. Interesting.

[Karen]

Originally Posted by mu2143 View Post
...Btw I did found this web site just a moment ago about Drunvalo Melchizedek.
http://www.whale.to/b/melchizedek_h.html ...

Seashore replied: Let's establish the author of the article linked above.
Is it Don Croft?

This is quotes from 3 people.

Don Croft wrote the first part about Don Bradley and then there is a link back to the longer writing that it was taken from.

Same for the second part.

Then there is the part with the all caps taken from WIOLAWA's (Barbara Crouse-Brown) writings about herself.
http://www.whale.to/b/wiolawa_h.html
http://www.wiolawapress.com/

And the last paragraph is from Credo Mutwa
[Interview] CREDO MUTWA On Alien Abduction & Reptilians
http://www.whale.to/b/mutwa.html

[Karen]

:original: That's up to you!!

I see his name when I click on the first hyperlink in the article. Does that make him the author of the whole article? Guess so, but I would like for others to agree or disagree.

These are quotes from 3 people as explained in my previous post to this thread.
Don Croft speaking about DB/Don Bradley
WIOLAWA (Barbara Crouse-Brown)
Credo Mutwa

[Karen]

Did you think that the material reference on that link had any credibility ?

I am not judging your intuition - like if you have a bad feeling about the guy or his books that is great, go with the intuition, but in order to actually state (as if it were a proven fact) that the guy is satanic it would probably be better to have some solid information to base that on.

Otherwise its just your opinion, which I respect, but may not agree with.

A..

I think it has credibility - it is reports from 3 different people gathered into one presentation, with link that you can follow to read each in context. There are more reports out there if you do a search. Drunvalo though may be like Don Bradley and may be being used without his knowledge by the illuminati - I really don't know on that one. DB reports that Drunvalo took DB's place when DB became enlightened to the facts and bailed.

It's one of those puzzles where you gather the pieces from here and there and see how they fit. It is one area where I've done a lot of searching. I fell for the New Age Con hook, line and sinker. There's also a writing out there on the net about Sex, Drugs and Rock N Roll and where all that came from - Tavistock social engineering institute. Wreck the family, destroy Christianity, make the music satanic, highjack the youth, etc., etc., and rip apart the fabric of society. Easier to conquer us that way! Those church and family ties were just too strong to get in much divide and conquer, so they went covert.

[Karen]

Karen,
YOU keep grouping K & B together... NO, I'm not misunderstanding anything.
Bill, is responsible for 'his' actions... Kerry, is responsible for 'her' actions.
Why, should Bill, catch flak for Kerry's actions. [snip]
I understand the control of the site is Not yours... I looked into it, in my
own way. And, 'I do' know what you have to go thru when something has
to be delt with. And, I'm Sorry; Kerry is difficult to deal with; and I'll just
leave it there. Cause, I know a lot more than You think... That is why
I don't like the statement " They " [Over N' out].


Yes, Tango, you are misunderstanding. I'm pretty sure all this started with a quote from their radio show. I'm 95% certain it was close to "We've been attacked on our own forum." So who is it that is sticking them together. It wasn't me. However they are still a team. I asked her and Kerry did not see your critique of her. There is email contact on the Camelot site if you want to go that route.

My conversation with Kerry today.

About 2:30 PDT I was getting on the computer and checking out the new posts for the day when it soon became apparent the forum had gone down – dern it, I had just gotten on. A check on Camelot revealed the same. I skyped Gareth and he said it was probably a denial of service attack. If I understand correctly this is when “they” send so many hits to the site that it shuts down. He said the host would be notified and would fix it probably within the hour. After 2 hours I called Kerry Cassidy to inform her both sites were down. Kerry is quite easy to get ahold of when I pick up the phone. My complaint about the difficulty with it has more to do with a back room issue of no one wanting to make the contact in the past. If any communication was ever instigated on behalf of the mod team, it was me that took the initiative. If you want clarity on a issue just pick up the derned phone.

So I informed Kerry both sites were down and also took the opportunity to ask if she checks in on the forum at all and she said no, it had been quite a while. Now these are my words for the explanation not her exact words – the whirlwind that is Project Camelot has swept them both up into a incredible flurry of issues and business to attend to, especially now with the Whistleblower Radio Show. There has simply been no time to check in on the forum to see how things are going.

Bill and Kerry are a team, they are a they. They are both in the interviews, they are both on the radio show. Now I’ve heard moderators say, yes but when they were in Australia, they kept in touch with the moderator team. OK that was then and this is now. I ask you to imagine how this thing has spiraled in size and scope since Australia so that they simply have no time to participate here. I don’t believe as some accuse that it’s a case of money-grubbing, turn the forum paid and then callously take off.

Then I asked her how then did she know people on their own forum had been trashing them as she reported on a recent radio show. Oh, that was a long time ago she said. So I inquired further, then you haven’t heard of the latest flurry of criticism on the forum about your interview with Greer? No she had no idea what was going on with the forum. But she had indeed heard plenty of criticism and plenty of compliments as well.

I had a short conversation with her about the incident with Burisch over beliefs about vaccines and Dan and Marcia’s subsequent actions. Bill and Kerry do not wish to get caught up in any public discussion of the matter and the misinterpretations that are being told about them.

We ended with a short convo about all that they have found out about everything and what they have revealed is just a tiny fraction of how deep and how black it goes, (no details, I didn’t ask and don’t want to know) and then she signed off to call the hosting company. I think she said black, with emphasis, about 5 times.

I guarantee everyone 95% of the time when someone makes ASSured ASSumptions about a person’s motives or intent or actions – they are going to be wrong. I see it all the time! My ASSumption that someone probably reported the trashing to them was wrong as Kerry was speaking of incidents in the early days of the forum when Bill and Kerry were still participating. And yes, both of them were criticized.

I may or may not address some of your other points later.

My objective is not defense, but getting the facts straight, that's all.

Many Blessings to you,
Karen

[Tango]

You don't have to answer anything else... And, I asked that My words not
be twisted... You've given much more than I asked, plus added tidbits.

FYI: The server was disconnected from the source of power. Not any
attack of any kind. [Aug. 26] Not anything like the Crash of June 26.

It's Nice when the TRUTH comes out...

Thank you for your time and statements,

Tango


Yes, Tango, you are misunderstanding. I'm pretty sure all this started with a quote from their radio show. I'm 95% certain it was close to "We've been attacked on our own forum." So who is it that is sticking them together. It wasn't me. However they are still a team. I asked her and Kerry did not see your critique of her. There is email contact on the Camelot site if you want to go that route.

My conversation with Kerry today.{snip}

[bill7907]

Yeah most of what the "whistleblowers" have said up to now didn't happen.
The real whistle blower was Bill Cooper.
Mr.X was a real whistle blower (from the Inside).
Robert Dean doesn't "whistle blow" much, he just confirms the thesis floating around.

But Myplanet2, you are a big cry baby.
I haven't seen any THANK YOU to what Bill and Kerry are doing up to now.
Without them, you wouldn't be hearing any of this today.
Learn to say thanks first.

[Myplanet2]

Yeah most of what the "whistleblowers" have said up to now didn't happen.
The real whistle blower was Bill Cooper.
Mr.X was a real whistle blower (from the Inside).
Robert Dean doesn't "whistle blow" much, he just confirms the thesis floating around.

But Myplanet2, you are a big cry baby.
I haven't seen any THANK YOU to what Bill and Kerry are doing up to now.
Without them, you wouldn't be hearing any of this today.
Learn to say thanks first.

I recommend at least reading before making inept judgements.

[Tango]

"The real whistle blower was Bill Cooper."

Milt Cooper, was a Navy, second class Petty Officer.
Radio Operator with a clearance. So, he heard it all.
Saw disc craft; figured it out at a much later date.
Nice guy too. Lived in E. Arizona. There's something
about the energy here. Ask 777. Also, we're on
33.3 W. Parallel, 111 N.


"But Myplanet2, you are a big cry baby."


Bill, This just wasn't Nice... Shame...

Tango

[Karen]

But Myplanet2, you are a big cry baby.
I haven't seen any THANK YOU to what Bill and Kerry are doing up to now.
Without them, you wouldn't be hearing any of this today.
Learn to say thanks first.

Bill7907,

Name calling is a personal attack, inflammatory and not allowed on this forum.
See how it escalates things for the attacked and their defenders to sling something back at you?

I am also not impressed with what was slung back. :thumbdown:

Please review the forum guidelines in the link below.

[mudra]

Here's a quote [added info to top . K]

Imagine walking along a sidewalk with your arms full of groceries, and someone roughly bumps into you so that you fall and your groceries are strewn over the ground. As you rise up from the puddle of broken eggs and tomato juice, you are ready to shout out, "You idiot! What's wrong with you? Are you blind?" But just before you can catch your breath to speak, you see that the person who bumped you is actually blind. He, too, is sprawled in the spilled groceries, and your anger vanishes in an instant, to be replaced by sympathetic concern: "Are you hurt? Can I help you up?"

Our situation is like that. When we clearly realize that the source of disharmony and misery in the world is ignorance, we can open the door of wisdom and compassion. Then we are in a position to heal ourselves and others.

B. Allan Wallace, Tibetan Buddhism from the Ground Up

peace
mudra

[Hiram]

The negativity and splitting on this forum by a few (you know who you are) individuals is ridiculous.


If your statements are directly encouraging people to "split"...or turn one party against another....your cover is blown. You should go post somewhere else. No, its not a healthy debate about the topics, its just repetitive criticism and discouragement.

If you don't like what Project Camelot or Project Avalon has become stop coming here I wouldn't waste my time coming here if I didn't want to move forward amicably and productively!? Whats the deal?

Constructive criticism moves forward in a constructive way. Its welcome. Some of you are intentionally being destructive and you know who you are.

The destructiveness is certainly not going to "improve" PC. And if your not trying to improve things then "Trooly" what are you doing here? I'm a bit confused by your presence. I'd like you to address this, because I know exactly why I and many others ARE here.

[Phtha]

Wise words Hiram, I agree with you whole heartedly. The energy created is certainly not what I call progressive. I also agree with Jaby's points, and even Bill to a point, although I have learned to keep my yap shut... or should I say keyboard unplucked... in these cases.
The people who are intending to create division and rumors of the fall of Avalon had some sort of issues with Kerry before all this 'Greer" controversy started, and in turn are using this controversy as a crutch to discredit Avalon.

That's how I see it. Whatever the case I am sure everyone has good intentions at heart, emotions are just taking control of the drivers seat it would seem.

Can't we all just get along? :lmao:

[mudra]

Can't we all just get along? :lmao:

" When you reach a dead end God allows you U turns " :thumb_yello:

Love always
mudra

[Karen]

From a Course in Miracles (probably not an exact quote):
Every instant is an opportunity to choose love over fear.

Or expanding on the U-turn analogy:
In every nanosecond you have the opportunity to change your mind to make a different choice.

[Myplanet2]

The topic was really about why whistleblowers no longer serve the greater good. Not about all the lovely ways to be polarized.

If someone can make a good case FOR whistleblowers of the likes I mentioned in the first couple of posts in this thread, I'd love to hear it.

I saw a really good blown whistle on the activities of Monsanto. How they deliberately subverted large percentage of the worlds ability to produce food crops using heritage seeds. That was useful.

What use are the ramblings of wannabe whistleblowers who don't know of hidden wrongs done, but who instead keep trying to predict future wrongdoings? Am I missing something here that would make this scenario anything other than fear mongering? How does this activity do anything other than forward TPTB agenda, of keeping people too afraid to have the time or attention to create a new world?

The Hawkeye WB tried to leave the impression that the Rothschilds are all powerful, and that they have it in the bag and we're all screwed. This software won't let me say what I think of that hooey pile.

Anyone who has the intent of manufacturing fear, works for TPTB. They may not all be on their payroll, but they help them all the same.

[tone3jaguar]

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x102/bradwj1977/beat_dead_horse2.jpg

YouTube - plane crash caught on tape - 7

[Karen]

If someone can make a good case FOR whistleblowers of the likes I mentioned in the first couple of posts in this thread, I'd love to hear it.

What use are the ramblings of wannabe whistleblowers who don't know of hidden wrongs done, but who instead keep trying to predict future wrongdoings? Am I missing something here that would make this scenario anything other than fear mongering? How does this activity do anything other than forward TPTB agenda, of keeping people too afraid to have the time or attention to create a new world?

The Hawkeye WB tried to leave the impression that the Rothschilds are all powerful, and that they have it in the bag and we're all screwed. This software won't let me say what I think of that hooey pile.

When people predict the future - the only failed prophecy is the one that does come true. Prophecies are there to say HEY YOU! If you keep going in that direction, this is where you are going to end up. So a successful prophecy is one that is averted because it wakes us up and we go WOAH! Navigator, turn 5 degrees right!

When we are told these dire predictions of the future, the Powers that Will Be in charge soon gather together with manifesting power to dump the vile plans in the garbage and change the course into the future. I think they serve a powerful purpose! A bank robbery can't proceed if someone spills the beans and the police intervene. Successful nefarious plots work much better when they stay secret.

Hawkeye - Man I was laughing at the one - I got the picture of a gun pointed at his head as he typed.

Many Blessings,
YOU can change the future,
Karen

[mudra]

Imo You can't give away the truth to someone else and then blame him for it .
The whole world is built on believing that one does'nt know and giving power away to others.
Find your own truth within .The only way to experience fear is when you loose touch with your inner self.

Love always
mudra

[enemyofNWO]

I would like to draw your attention to the following link about the Real Project Camelot a US army operation of 1964 . This is in line with what I posted in the recent Dr Peterson thread , the Zurich thread and others . I am glad some other people reached the same conclusion . Cheers

snip
""Project Camelot was a social science research project of the United States Army in 1964. The goal of the project was to assess the causes of violent social rebellion and to identify the actions a government could take to prevent its own overthrow."
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Camelot "

snip
"So, the "whistle blower" gambit may deflect people's attention from more serious matters by rendering people into passive observers of dramas that others stage for them to observe, as opposed to concretely, personally organizing their own direct social activity in policy areas that concern them. That is what, of course, the alphabet soup agencies absolutely do not want, because then people are no longer their passive, unquestioningly obedient, ignorant, compliant, dumbed-down, 1040 revenue-producing slave units. "

http://www.rense.com/general87/camelot.htm

[mudra]

Here's a quote: [added by mod K]

It appears to me that the successful companion to this new world is a new human – a new person. This new man (and woman) effectively transits the coming disruptions and contributes to co-creating the new world that will emerge by transcending the day-to-day disruptions and uncertainties – connecting with the consciousness that is not linked to the concern and fear that seems to naturally attend thinking about these futures.
Eckhart Tolle (A New Earth: Awakening to Your Life’s Purpose) provides the best articulation that I have found of that space of living in the Now: a seemingly incongruous state of knowing about these possible futures but not thinking about them. You disconnect from the externalities and possibilities by acting, moment-by-moment, from the essential Presence that enables the experience of the reality we observe.

excerpt from John L Petersen founder of the Arlington institute

This summarizes quite well my own views .
It is a very passive attitude to wait for someone to tell you the future .
The alternative is to create your own future by living in the Now .
Then whatever comes won't delude
you or take you by surprise.
It is the attitude you take towards whistleblowers that makes the whole difference.

Love always
mudra

[Myplanet2]

snip
"So, the "whistle blower" gambit may deflect people's attention from more serious matters by rendering people into passive observers of dramas that others stage for them to observe, as opposed to concretely, personally organizing their own direct social activity in policy areas that concern them. That is what, of course, the alphabet soup agencies absolutely do not want, because then people are no longer their passive, unquestioningly obedient, ignorant, compliant, dumbed-down, 1040 revenue-producing slave units. "

http://www.rense.com/general87/camelot.htm

This is kind of what I've been pointing at. That these whistleblowers actually deflect peoples attention from the actual world around them and the life they are actually leading, and instead make them fearful of what "might" happen soon because they have caught wind of some nefarious "plans".

I guess the bottom line is where you end up after reading them. Are you left feeling empowered to take constructive action to better yourself and all you can influence, or are you left worried about what might happen?

Making it your business to present "whistleblowers" is something else, too. Is it ethical to present whistleblowers the likes of Hawkeye, or Deagle? Do you then share responsibility for the fear which is generated?

[sammytray]

Nwo and myplanet....

You both nailed it in my opinion.

"things" are happening and may continue to happen that are not seemingly beneficial to humanity however, those "things" that may happen may NEED to happen in order to assist those who invite change. It is what one does in the midst of chaos. So what are we doing? Some preparation is absolutely necsassary to kind of make sure that "reality" is handled. So what about the next reality?

[mudra]

Nwo and myplanet....

You both nailed it in my opinion.

"things" are happening and may continue to happen that are not seemingly beneficial to humanity however, those "things" that may happen may NEED to happen in order to assist those who invite change. It is what one does in the midst of chaos. So what are we doing? Some preparation is absolutely necsassary to kind of make sure that "reality" is handled. So what about the next reality?

Good point Sammytray.
The next reality is entirely up to us really .
What about manifesting some good positive things there ;)

Love always
mudra

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

myplanet did you write the article on rense:lmfao:

anyway well said bill.

[Metaphor]

Myplanet.
I still think you have a valid point, and I get deeply frustrated that on a forum like this (of all places) your thoughts aren´t met with more consideration.
Its not like you are saying: -whistleblowers are **** have always been and camelot sucks!!! period! But some reactions here makes one think so.

What I think you are saying, if I read between the lines, is that some kids in the classroom make so much noise that its it hard to focus on what matters.

And thinking that if it is really so, that from now on its up every each one of us to create the now, and future with our conscious thoughts, it seems a little dangerous to focus on more pain and misery and doom instead of chosing a positive future.

Do you get it? You chose now!
Not Buirish, not Icke, not Hoagland, not Wilcock, not Deagle, even though they mean well and are entertaining.

NO ONE!

BUT YOU, choose.
Thats what 4D is going to be all about methinks. Learn it now before you are in a reality you really did not want.

I really love (most of) all people here. It is so interesting to hear your thoughts. To get to know that I am not the only one in this world struggling with the same issues.
But at the end of the day dear people, its like Mudra kinda says, its all inside and only inside.

Ok, enough of that I think I made my point.

[Myplanet2]

Yes Metaphor. Pretty much.

It's worth wading through all the jumped to conclusions to get to a post like yours which shows my words aren't wasted.

I just had the same point driven home yet again last night while attending a Jim Self Webinar. Any baggage we don't process out right now, is liable to end up influencing our initial experiences in 4D.

Do we really want to shift into 4D with suspicion, fear, hatred, anxiety, greed, hurt, confusion, mystery, revenge, loss, regret, etc, on our minds? 4D is Now-D. What we have in mind, we have in reality.

I for one, will not be shifting to the lower 4th in the coming shift. It's our choice, and to waste time continuing to look when somebody yells "FIRE COMING....." is so senseless.

Whatever. I'm about done with this topic. anyone with something to gain from looking it over, probably already has.

Thanks, again.

[mudra]

Metaphor,

Thank you for your wise words .
I think you expressed it very well.
Myplanet2 your focus is away from fear.
I believe this is the foundation of a constructive future.
When the noise is turned down in our minds this is when
we step into our hearts and begin to see that we can see.

Love always
mudra