Is Project Avalon infiltrated and censored?

[metaw3]

I have my opinion, and some evidence, but I won't give it away yet.

I want to find out exactly what is being censored. I just want to make sure that this is not random censorship as a disinformation tactic, but rather sensitive data that must not be talked about at all, even here.

Also, I want to make sure that this is not some technical problem giving the appearance of censorship. I am a web programmer so I know what can be blamed on technology flaws.

At this moment I have no technical explanation for the disappearance of data, and I don't know what makes this data eligible to censorship more than any other data.

It's also possible that I won't have time to follow up on this. I thought I should start the thread anyway. I'll backup my evidence and post it later, whether I had time or not to dig this further.

In the meantime, feel free to have your say.

[no caste]

Please share :thumb_yello:

The thing is IMO it's a good sign if PA is infiltrated. Like the original Project Camelot, we can keep the f**ers busy. Truth is is hard to contain. May we all contribute just 2 cents! Then share knowledge on the street, with elected officials, with friends and family, mailing lists.

There are so many questions - lately I've been looking into the misrepresented gold recovery in the basements of WTCs
"Why is there this huge discrepancy between the value of gold and silver reported recovered, and the value reported to have been stored in the vaults?"
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/gold.html A history of suppressed information about vaccines... yeah... that too!

The 'mysteries' are like tangles of old necklaces or string - with patience they will be unraveled. Setting it straight!

[burgundia]

Please share....

[iainl140285]

I would check with mods regarding 'missing' data first ....

[THE eXchanger]

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[tone3jaguar]

The entire internet is infiltrated. That does not mean that the Forum Mods are though. I have not experienced any censorship on this forum at all. This is the only forum where I have not experienced that.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

do i smell paranoia? i left the 'he said,she said' thing a long time back. if they want to come and kill us all for what we know then its a bit late. they already have tabs on us all.. thats what it boils down to isnt it?:sleep_1:

[orthodoxymoron]

'They' know more about us than we know about ourselves...with or without Avalon being infiltrated. I just hope that the bad-guys are being subjected to as much scrutiny as the good-guys...although the bad-guys probably know how to cover their tracks a lot better than the good-guys. What a tangled web they weave...when they practice to deceive. :sneaky2:

[Metaphor]

Let them come. The more they give us practice time the better. Just like Neo in Matrix we need to get head on with them to find our and their weak spots.

Spend a day at David Ickes forum and it´ll be like a day at the gym :lol3:

[metaw3]

tone3jaguar, have you looked back at all your posts? How do you know they didn't get censored? I thought too that data integrity was fine here until yesterday I decided to reply to a District 9 movie thread started beginning of July. I remebered the thread and knew how to find ti back. The thread had vanished. I was able to get an early cached version on Google. That's it. Then I started paying attention and found another anomaly about data integrity.

It's much simpler than paranoia. It's anger that my valuable time is wasted, laughed at, and my work deleted. As far as I know everybody here is writing for free, and even paying to do it. Here is 3 posts of mine that got deleted:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=164567&postcount=11

I'm angry. :mad3: Infiltrate as much as you want but don't you dare delete my legitimate posts, otherwise I'm going to move my focus to where it doesn't go into a blackhole. I won't start archiving locally or on another server my posts here just in case they get deleted. This is ridiculous and irrespectful to assume that people won't get angry if you delete their posts.
When I post on the web, whether it's my own server or not, I'm using the web as a database and archiving utility for my work. If Avalon cannot ensure integrity of my data input, I'm gone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_integrity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_integrity

[Karen]

No we do not censor or delete threads or posts unless it's some kind of vile personal attack. Last night I cleaned up an unfortunate misunderstanding on the bye, bye whistleblower thread - which happened because of a personal attack that I did not just delete the moment I saw it.

I'm just getting online for the day, and trying to figure out what the problem is that caused these accusations to be made.

For one thing, when you do a search, always do advanced search, as the first level search is the lamest thing I've ever seen - you come up with nothing for something you know is there.

I'll get a cup of tea and work on this ...

EDIT ADDITION: The deletion work I did last night - all parties were notified of my action.

[metaw3]

I said I'm a web programmer. I will code you a PHP/MySQL forum if you want one. Don't you think I know the difference between advanced search and first level search? Don't insult my intelligence. Look at my post. Follow the links to the cached version on Google. Search your database for the thread deleted. A thread doesn't get deleted that easy on a vBulletin. Anyone reading this, create an admin demo for a vBulletin and try deleting a thread:
http://www.vbulletin.com/admindemo.php

I'm sorry Karen, but there is a corrupted mod here.

[metaw3]

All rogue2 posts have been deleted on Avalon:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aprojectavalon.org+rogue2&safe=off&hl=en
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=1763

It seems that all threads started by rogue2 have vanished as well, with all their replies. rogue2 started the thread about District 9 that is missing. So what happened with rogue2?

[Karen]

I said I'm a web programmer. I will code you a PHP/MySQL forum if you want one. Don't you think I know the difference between advanced search and first level search? Don't insult my intelligence. Look at my post. Follow the links to the cached version on Google. Search your database for the thread deleted. A thread doesn't get deleted that easy on a vBulletin. Anyone reading this, create an admin demo for a vBulletin and try deleting a thread:
http://www.vbulletin.com/admindemo.php

I'm sorry Karen, but there is a corrupted mod here.

Gawd, I said I just got online and would start researching it. Sorry for not making the connection to your programmer IQ and the use of search function, with my just waking up brain.

[Karen]

All rogue2 posts have been deleted on Avalon:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aprojectavalon.org+rogue2&safe=off&hl=en
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=1763

It seems that all threads started by rogue2 have vanished as well, with all their replies. rogue2 started the thread about District 9 that is missing. So what happened with rogue2?

OK, I just found this rogue2 situation. Some X moderators have had tantrum on the way out the door and deleted all their own posts and threads. Kathleen did that and I see that C77 deleted the rogue2 posts as well as his own. I'll see what I can find out about it. Maybe rogue2 asked him to delete them.

We have very few moderators left at this time. Moderators can see every deleted msg space holder and investigate what was in the message - of course you know that, just saying it for the benefit of those that don't.

[Karen]

For one thing, when you do a search, always do advanced search, as the first level search is the lamest thing I've ever seen - you come up with nothing for something you know is there.



This is not even the NORMAL difference between first level search and advanced search.
The first level search appears to be defective. Read the red above.

[Karen]

I'm sorry Karen, but there is a corrupted mod here.

All I see so far is X mods that had a tantrum on the way out the door. I'll keep looking and consult with the other mods later when they show up.

[tone3jaguar]

tone3jaguar, have you looked back at all your posts? How do you know they didn't get censored? I thought too that data integrity was fine here until yesterday I decided to reply to a District 9 movie thread started beginning of July. I remebered the thread and knew how to find ti back. The thread had vanished. I was able to get an early cached version on Google. That's it. Then I started paying attention and found another anomaly about data integrity.

It's much simpler than paranoia. It's anger that my valuable time is wasted, laughed at, and my work deleted. As far as I know everybody here is writing for free, and even paying to do it. Here is 3 posts of mine that got deleted:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=164567&postcount=11

I'm angry. :mad3: Infiltrate as much as you want but don't you dare delete my legitimate posts, otherwise I'm going to move my focus to where it doesn't go into a blackhole. I won't start archiving locally or on another server my posts here just in case they get deleted. This is ridiculous and irrespectful to assume that people won't get angry if you delete their posts.
When I post on the web, whether it's my own server or not, I'm using the web as a database and archiving utility for my work. If Avalon cannot ensure integrity of my data input, I'm gone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_integrity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_integrity


If "they" where going to hack in secretly and delete posts, then why in the world would they waste there time with a post about a movie. I can see the PTB getting worried if someone posted the plans for how to make a free energy device or something. A post about a movie? Not likely.

I just got back from watching that movie 5 min ago and while it was edgy, it was completely symbolic and non-threatening to the ptb.

[Northern Boy]

metaw3 it would not be the first time info has gone missing here ever wonder why the camelot site has has virtually nothing listed under the camelot witness area and NEVER under Henry Deacon . I have an idea why but would like to know what happened to most of the info that was there

[Karen]

All I see so far is X mods that had a tantrum on the way out the door. I'll keep looking and consult with the other mods later when they show up.

Yes, I have confirmed now that C77 deleted this thread.

Our guidelines say:
All posts become property of Project Camelot/Avalon.

I'll consult with the other moderators about reinstating posts that were deleted by X-moderators

[Unified Serenity]

I have no doubt that this site is watched. How do you know that someone did not say something in the district9 thread that was very revealing and that the ptw don't want discussed?

I am sure that with their access to our every purchase via ip identifier, debit cards, credit cards, UPC, every bit of info ever obtained on us basically that they can go into any site online and delete things without system mods or admins being aware. Most of us never go back to what we posted in the past to check on it. They could just take few sentences out. Do you remember every brilliant thought you posted in response to some thread? Of course not, and I am sure the web is scrubbed regularly.

I have researched many things online and gone back to google to dig up a site again sometimes on the same day and *POOF* the site is gone. Some sites don't come up for many pages when they did come up on the first page. Suddenly they are gone or buried so far down the list it is unlikely you will find them.

Now, the Senate wants to give the President authority to shut down the internet in America if there is an "emergency". How many of us are complacent and not getting good contact info to have some communication outside of our towns to know what is going on if the net is down. Oh, and he can shut down communications as well, so goodbye phones.

They want us to be shut off and able to manage on a local basis. No group info, no intel, feeling cut off and alone. Panic will set in for many and once that happens people can't think and they are manageable.

[Karen]

metaw3 it would not be the first time info has gone missing here ever wonder why the camelot site has has virtually nothing listed under the camelot witness area and NEVER under Henry Deacon . I have an idea why but would like to know what happened to most of the info that was there

Henry Deacon wanted all his stuff deleted. A lot of drama has been following after Henry Deacon - probably around half the high drama on this forum, including this thread.

[Karen]

metaw3 it would not be the first time info has gone missing here ever wonder why the camelot site has has virtually nothing listed under the camelot witness area and NEVER under Henry Deacon . I have an idea why but would like to know what happened to most of the info that was there

Something happened when I wasn't moderator here and these witnesses were given moderator status and one of them accidentally or on purpose nuked that whole section. So the forum settings were changed so that nothing is hard deleted (poof, gone forever with one stroke) but goes into an area where it can be recovered and returned to the public forum. So we fixed that problem. Next?

[Karen]

I have no doubt that this site is watched. How do you know that someone did not say something in the district9 thread that was very revealing and that the ptw don't want discussed?

We know because on his way out the door X-moderator C77 deleted all his postings and at some time those of rogue2. I don't think the moderating team knew rogue2 posts were deleted, but we know that now, and will see what we can find out about that - could take a few days.

[Karen]

Oh and it hasn't just been p'd off moderators who deleted their posts on the way out the door, but quite a few members have done the same thing.

[Unified Serenity]

We know because on his way out the door X-moderator C77 deleted all his postings plus those of rogue2. I don't think the moderating team knew rogue2 posts were deleted, but we know that now, and will see what we can find out about that - could take a few days.

I think you misunderstand me, Karen. I know you can see which mods delete stuff etc.. What I am saying is that the ptw can probably go in a back door and delete stuff too, and you won't be the wiser. If you know to look for a specific thread and it is gone, then of course you know someone did something, but there is very little chance that you or any mod can or will go through the past posts ( thousands) and know a word was changed, sentences deleted, or posts deleted from a thread, or a whole thread dropped. You only become aware IF you are looking and know what was there prior to investigating.

[TRANCOSO]

There's an expression that says 'Devide & Conquer'.
I rest my case.

[Karen]

I would check with mods regarding 'missing' data first ....

Thank you iain - I would have appreciated that approach much more than waking up to a public firestorm of a topic that needed to be quickly doused with a few buckets of water.

When I came on this forum as a moderator I noticed people were getting really upset about disappeared posts and threads. There was a wonderful idea of keeping the place a clean, neat and concise source of powerful knowledge to take us into the new age. Trivial, fluffy, or derogatory posts and threads were being deleted. I was trying to help as a member to settle down those going off on wild tangents of accusations of this and that. The first day I really posted much, about 4 of my about 6 posts poofed into oblivion. I was outraged! But I did see the reason why - it was a clean up day.

They invited me to come on as a mod and the first thing I did was insist that we stop deleting posts and threads. It makes people so upset. So it worked and we don't do that anymore, except as I said the case of personal attacks that people bite on and flame wars ensue.

[Karen]

The entire internet is infiltrated. That does not mean that the Forum Mods are though. I have not experienced any censorship on this forum at all. This is the only forum where I have not experienced that.

That's right, we even let you bash Bill and or Kerry if you want to. If there was a main motto for this forum, it would be "no censorship." You can thank Kerry for that. In the early days a few people got banned, but it wasn't for the information they shared. That's what a lot of them thought. No, most were just plain rude people that made personal attacks and started flame wars. And they refused to follow this guideline:

TREAT OTHERS WITH RESPECT

Disagreeing with various data points is a natural, healthy part of an investigation. Unfortunately, many skeptics choose to act in an arrogant, condescending and superior manner because they do not agree with someone or something.

We do require that our members be treated with respect. If a member’s conduct is seen to hurt the community spirit of the group, they will be unsubscribed. Generally individual posts will be moderated first, and thus not appear on the list, before the member is unsubscribed. [K note: I don't think we use a moderating feature - don't know where that came from]

[metaw3]

If "they" where going to hack in secretly and delete posts, then why in the world would they waste there time with a post about a movie. I can see the PTB getting worried if someone posted the plans for how to make a free energy device or something. A post about a movie? Not likely.

I just got back from watching that movie 5 min ago and while it was edgy, it was completely symbolic and non-threatening to the ptb.

I know:

At this moment I have no technical explanation for the disappearance of data, and I don't know what makes this data eligible to censorship more than any other data.

How do you know that someone did not say something in the district9 thread that was very revealing and that the ptw don't want discussed?

Exactly. I had a good point in that thread about timeline for mind-programming vs. false flag. I wanted to develop on this after watching the movie and now I lost my original thought. Or maybe not:

So the forum settings were changed so that nothing is hard deleted (poof, gone forever with one stroke) but goes into an area where it can be recovered and returned to the public forum. So we fixed that problem. Next?


I am sure that with their access to our every purchase via ip identifier, debit cards, credit cards, UPC, every bit of info ever obtained on us basically that they can go into any site online and delete things without system mods or admins being aware.

It's compartmentalized. The agents watching these forums probably don't have the clearances to use this technology. And the ones who do probably don't give a damn about what is being said here.

I have my opinion, and some evidence, but I won't give it away yet.

Obviously I got triggered. :) Sorry Karen for that.

Moderation on a forum is like government: the smaller it is, the better.

I would have appreciated that approach much more than waking up to a public firestorm of a topic that needed to be quickly doused with a few buckets of water.

I think it is constructive to do it in the open. There may be no censorship, but mods deleting threads to spite is not better. Everyone should know about it.

[Malynda]

Thank you, Karen for doing some detective work to give us a better idea of what was/is/might be going on. I do appreciate the work you put in here and for keeping the peace. This forum seems a bit hostile sometimes but you do a good job of calming things down. Thank you for being so active even when you have just woken up. :wub2: Oh and a big thank you for getting in touch with Kerry to clear some things up. So simple, yet so effective.

[Karen]

Thank you, Karen for doing some detective work to give us a better idea of what was/is/might be going on. I do appreciate the work you put in here and for keeping the peace. This forum seems a bit hostile sometimes but you do a good job of calming things down. Thank you for being so active even when you have just woken up. :wub2: Oh and a big thank you for getting in touch with Kerry to clear some things up. So simple, yet so effective.

Thank you and you are welcome Malynda. Massive amounts of calm communication will be the key to bringing in a new world of peace and prosperity for all.

Quote from:
http://www.cnvc.org/
"The Center for Nonviolent Communication is a global network of people and communities committed to living and teaching NVC to resolve conflict and meet the needs of all people.

""CNVC leaders have helped negotiate peace between individuals, families, communities, political factions and nations. We have facilitated workshops around the world that help people learn how to create environments that support powerful life-serving systems.

"Have you ever wondered if there was a way all people could live in peace? Have you ever longed to reach a point of understanding with someone you care about when you find yourselves divided by disagreements or differences? Maybe you’ve longed to express what you really feel or what is important to you? Or, have you ever wanted to foster agreement with agroup of people who was unable to agree with another group—especially when the disagreement became life-threatening?

"If so, you may be interested in learning about Nonviolent Communication.

"What it is…..
Simply put, Nonviolent Communication (NVC) is a way of relating to ourselves and others, moment to moment, free of past reactions. By learning to identify your needs and express them powerfully, as well as to bring understanding to the needs of others, you can stay connected to what is alive in you and create a life that it is more fulfilling."

[Karen]

Thread reinstated from the delete pile.
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13746

[Unified Serenity]

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13498&postcount=1657

777 has done it again!

[Karen]

Obviously I got triggered. :) Sorry Karen for that.

OK, apology accepted. Thank you.

[KathyT]

Now, the Senate wants to give the President authority to shut down the internet in America if there is an "emergency". How many of us are complacent and not getting good contact info to have some communication outside of our towns to know what is going on if the net is down. Oh, and he can shut down communications as well, so goodbye phones.



If the Senate/Pres has the power to shut down the internet, this is so wrong it is evil.

But how would all of our banks, ebay, Google, and tons of business get by if the Internet were shut down? What about all the banking/bill paying everyone does on line?

I hope all of big business and lawyers fight this President 'authority' with everything they got.

[Seashore]

If the Senate/Pres has the power to shut down the internet, this is so wrong it is evil.

But how would all of our banks, ebay, Google, and tons of business get by if the Internet were shut down? What about all the banking/bill paying everyone does on line?

I hope all of big business and lawyers fight this President 'authority' with everything they got.

Jason Bermas, sitting in for Alex Jones in the 1st Hour on August 28, 2009, discusses the implications of this. Here is the link to the free archive:

http://gcnlive.com/archive.php?program=alexJones

[Anchor]

What I am saying is that the ptw can probably go in a back door and delete stuff too, and you won't be the wiser.

That is very unlikely.

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