Alex Jones

[Swanny]

Anyone else here listening to him?
www.infowars.com
He says he is going to disclose something big on tuesday. 08-09-09
I've been listening to him for a while now and think he is great, shame about all the adverts but that's what you get for listening to american radio I guess :chair:

[franciejones]

I listen to him. He is a bit much sometimes but has excellent information on current legislation and what not

[Swanny]

He has predicted loads of stuff that has actually happened, much better success rate than most others :thumb_yello:

[Swanny]

Huge Announcement Coming Tomorrow to Infowars and Prison Planet


We are urging all Infowarriors and activists to tune in to The Alex Jones Show tomorrow at 11am CST and watch the websites from 8am tomorrow morning for a huge announcement that represents a brand new and vitally important initiative against the forces of tyranny.

This information will be the biggest thing that Alex Jones has ever announced or done and you will read all about it here first.

The announcement will be followed by a special guest appearance on The Alex Jones Show.

All will be revealed from tomorrow morning onwards so make every effort to tell other truth activists to tune in and monitor the websites as we unveil this important and exciting new development!

http://www.infowars.com/huge-announcement-coming-tomorrow-to-infowars-and-prison-planet/

[Northern Boy]

Alex has his agenda as well he has no use for the freeman movement because i don`t think he really understands it. But let me ask you if you wanted your site shut down or DOS attacked he has gone about it the right way. What better excuse to attack his site or to have his own guys do it to hype his show . We will see tomorrow

[Seashore]

But let me ask you if you wanted your site shut down or DOS attacked he has gone about it the right way. What better excuse to attack his site or to have his own guys do it to hype his show .

I don't believe Alex operates that way.
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I'm thinking the announcement may be a new, national, TV show or a documentary to be shown nationally in theaters.

[14 Chakras]

My discernment on Alex is that he is doing his best and trying to help people understand some of what's going on behind the scenes.

To me, he is like the anti-thesis to CNN or FOX news, he's trying to give you news from the other side of the coin.

My discernment leads me to believe Alex doesn't yet understand that the true change that is required at this time is a consciousness shift. Because he doesn't understand the change that is required is an inner change, and that the outer world is a reflection of the inner collective consciousness, his stuff comes across as fear based.

He promotes stuff like buying guns and stocking up on food, and maybe a very small part of him, his ego part, wants a bit for things to go wrong so that he can say "See! I told you so!!!"

This stuff I would say is not helpful for what's necessary at this time, and can actually cause more problems than good.

BUT that part of him is balanced with the higher consciousness within him that really just wants everything to work out great for everyone and he is 'shining the light' on what's going in our world in a more newsey kind of way than anyone else, which is necessary at this time.

To me Alex is a character on the screen of life and he is playing his part wonderfully. I'm looking forward to the day he really begins to understand that the change that is required is a change in consciousness and he connects to the inner teachings of Jesus rather than the outer story (as he is a Christian who recognizes how corrupt the churches are, so I believe he will find the Way in time)...

[14 Chakras]

P.S. I have heard it said that Alex Jones was Patrick Henry in a past life !

"Give me liberty or give me death!"

Fit the bill?

[Reader]

I like Alex, however, He's probably trying to steal some of Obama's thunder in his school address.

[Seashore]

the true change that is required at this time is a consciousness shift.

I think the true change that is needed is for a critical mass of people to stop being duped by lies and deception from the controllers.

Once that happens, things will fall into place.

If it happens, Alex will have had a lot to do with it.

[Northern Boy]

seashore Alex still wants government he is clinging to the system in hopes of saving it. Its done just let it go .He likes to have David Icke on to talk about the New World Order But as soon as David starts to talk about Consciousness or reptilians you see him interrupt like crazy and jump all over the place to try and get it back on the NWO . His tunnel is very narrow he is good to a point but anything outside of his understanding is not going to fly

[Seashore]

seashore Alex still wants government he is clinging to the system in hopes of saving it. Its done just let it go .He likes to have David Icke on to talk about the New World Order But as soon as David starts to talk about Consciousness or reptilians you see him interrupt like crazy and jump all over the place to try and get it back on the NWO . His tunnel is very narrow he is good to a point but anything outside of his understanding is not going to fly

I've heard him interview David Icke and he's very respectful.

I disagree with your view that government is obsolete.

I like the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. I don't care who wrote it. It's a work of art.

[SWIFT]

Hi Seashore ,
Yes I agree with you Seashore even though I am not a USA citzen. The American people must have faith in ground roots of political support for demanding change which Mr Alex Jones is fighting for.:thumb_yello: I rather think many Americans uphold the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in your congress. Furthermore, USA is a strong superpower and people need to faith freedom of speech.:trumpet:
:trumpet
Peace & Freedom
SWIFT:mfr_lol:

[Northern Boy]

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[Northern Boy]

I like the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. I don't care who wrote it. It's a work of art.
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Why do you need a government to enforce those rights you don`t all that is required is respect for another human being and those rights enforce themselves. If after every thing happens and you become crazy enough to put a system of Government back in your going to end up right back where we are at now. Asking for permission to do things that are your given rights

I think the true change that is needed is for a critical mass of people to stop being duped by lies and deception from the controllers.

your Government are your controllers and yes they lie and decieve you everyday Federal State and local but you still want them cause you feel they won`t do it again ???? help me here

[Myplanet2]

I think the true change that is needed is for a critical mass of people to stop being duped by lies and deception from the controllers.

Once that happens, things will fall into place.

If it happens, Alex will have had a lot to do with it.

People are sovereign. They can be duped and lied to all they like. It's their choice. Or they can choose to see what is, and stop being duped and lied to. People are not victims. That's just a silly notion. When I see a victim, I see someone who was sitting there planning their coming life, saying " I wonder what it would be like to pretend I don't know what's really going on, so I can have the experience of being duped and lied to. That might be fun, and maybe I can learn something from it."

This whole "poor us" mindset is such a farce when you really look at who and what we actually are. I think most people are quite done with the victim game by now.

You can not have an experience you didn't agree to on some level. And that goes for all the worst things you can imagine too. Yes, this is a foreign viewpoint to a 3D mind. But that doesn't make it any less true.

You want the controller monkey off your back? then reclaim your sovereignty. You don't need to ask for permission, or fight anyone or anything in order to do it. You simply do it and then it is done, and you are now certified dupe and lie free.

The supporting structures for this game of controller/controlled are dissolving at an ever quicker pace. Some people need the alarm clock to ring louder and more often as the game we're used to is in it's death throws. And Alex Jones plays a part in that. He makes a pretty good alarm clock. As opposed to the "I know a secret, and when enough spot lights are on me, and my book deal and movie rights are contracted for, I may share the first installment with you", whistleblowers. All that says is that they claim to have uncovered some lie or duping, and want to clue the rest in, (for some minor consideration). (No I'm not callous, and I do realize there are many who come forward in an effort to clean some Karma, or to speed the ending of the Top down wealth/power paradigm which is now terminal anyway. I'm referring to the whistleblower movement or meme.)

The way things are made to fall into place, is for people to do their personal work, and clear their outstanding issues and confusions, and Karmic debts out of their space. Then they won't stay stuck in these silly "look what those bad guys are doing to us" games that are the bread and butter of 3D earth life.

I believe most have already moved on, and are just still participating out of reflex or habit.

I don't mind Alex Jones doing what he does, because he's just loud and in your face enough to catch some peoples' attention, who'd normally walk right by, and He's usually pretty good about having his info straight. And like someone else said, his sites are a good place to check in if you want to know the latest gossip, er I mean, News.

[mntruthseeker]

Actually the very first interview he did with David Icke was awful. He didn't want to talk about the retilians and he even made fun of some of the things. I was so dissapointed that day.

David is such a gentlemen and I was "shocked" that he went back on Alex Jones show and that interview was totally different. Alex showed nothing but the upper most respect for David.

You know I think everyone changes and even I thought David was looney as a fruit cake when he talked about retilians I was so angry at my son for telling me to listen to this man. It took me 5 years to understand and fully comprehend that David Icke was telling the truth.

Alex Jones has and probally will always stick to government issues but I think he knows the truth. Jesse Ventura, past gov of my state and Willie Nelson have been guess on Alex Jones and I believe they both know but not a word said.

So Alex is doing us a great service by doing what he knows best and sticking to it.

I have seen him break down and people call him a cry baby on video and its dissapointing. Alex is a very warm person that is working very hard to get the truth out of 9/11 and so many other things that are important

[mntruthseeker]

I like Alex, however, He's probably trying to steal some of Obama's thunder in his school address.


I hope it works

[Unified Serenity]

I like Alex, however, He's probably trying to steal some of Obama's thunder in his school address.

Yes, the schools regularly tune into Alex Jones radio and websites. :mfr_lol:

[eleni]

Neat- I will be tuning in when I get the chance.Can't wait to hear what the big news is.

[dolphin]

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well said northern boy, i used to believe like alex jones, "change the corrupt system", but it's about non-compliance and creating a different paradigm...

[Swanny]

What I like about him is he doesn't mince words, if he knows something he tells you straight, and doesn't try to tease you by saying he knows stuff but can't tell you...
B&K should take a leaf out of his book.
He also has good guests on his program. The other day he had Dr. Horowitz on and he made a lot of sense in talking about the flu.
He may not be spiritual or worried about aliens but at least he knows what is happening in the world that we are presently living in.

[viking]

Mmmmm I wonder whats in store guys???
quote...
"GET READY THIS IS GOING TO BE AMAZING!!!"

YouTube - Huge News at Infowars.com

viking

[LightSurfer]

I can't stop thinking that this BIG thing could maybe be related to the 9-9-9 event. Ok we all seem excited about it, but what will be the outcome ??? Joy ? Fear ? Love ? Hate ?

Anyway, just keep in mind that "all we need is love" and that is what Avalon is all about. :huglove:

LightSurfer :surfing:

[Thunderbird]

it's a fictionalized piece

[Steve_A]

Hi Swanny,

It appears that the bignews is the Charlie Sheen story who had 20 minutes with the President (these 20 minutes are normally paid for and they're not cheap!) speaking about 9/11.

The important thing about this meeting is that it was directly with the US President face to face, on record, of Sheen giving Obama proof of what he was saying.

So now the question is, "Will the President investigate?". Obama has more or less admitted that the investigation that was carried out was at the least flawed and probably inadequate and now has his back against the wall. Will he dismiss this and make 60% of Americans think he just doesn't care? Will he form a new investigation and stir up a hornets' nest and make Dick Cheney poo his pants a little? - By the way, we have seen very little of George W since the elections. Has he moved to Paraguay yet?

I think politically, Obama stepped on the ball a little with this one and a lot of pressure will be put on him now to open the books up again and this time for the truth, warts and all.

Best regards,

Steve




Anyone else here listening to him?
www.infowars.com
He says he is going to disclose something big on tuesday. 08-09-09
I've been listening to him for a while now and think he is great, shame about all the adverts but that's what you get for listening to american radio I guess :chair:

[Vidya Moksha]

This is at the end of the transcript..did no one notice it?
Author’s Note: What you have just read didn’t actually happen… yet.
This is an open letter to the President requesting a new investigation.
Charlie Sheen.

[Thunderbird]

nope didn't notice it. LOL!
boy I feel dumb....
Thanks for pointing that out.

[viking]

So what was the big anouncment??

Anyone?

viking

[mntruthseeker]

Oh there is NO WAY that we can change this corrupt system

Alex is wrong about that and I seriously hope he has come around to figuring that out.

I know that we were promised a better world then that and that is what I am pushing for.

Charley Sheen is quite impressive but he is no better than Alex when it comes right down to this. He is for changing government also

I truly believe in my heart that most of hollywood is aware but where their hearts are, who knows

[Vidya Moksha]

BREAKING NEWS!

911 was an inside job, :mfr_omg: now they have some US actor telling us, this is the biggest event in infowars history?....i obviously havent missed anything then.:tears:

[mntruthseeker]

BREAKING NEWS!

911 was an inside job, :mfr_omg: now they have some US actor telling us, this is the biggest event in infowars history?....i obviously havent missed anything then.:tears:



Thats too bad that you feel this way. It is very important this information gets out. In fact some people NEED to hear this as they are not AWARE of the events

9/11 was very important and its a start. Once people see that this WAS a set up then they can join together in any form or way they want to STOP anything further from happening

Its an important first step to waking up this world to the truth

[Northern Boy]

That was huge I mean Alex can hang up the old Mic now no one is ever gonna top this!! Charlie is a good guy and not just him Martin too. They both know something is fishy . But this wasn`t huge we all know this it`s all ready come out that the Sheen family wants a new investigation just like us bottom feeder`s do. He won`t get his 20 mins with Obama the economic problems are too big Obama just can`t take time out to address some thing thats already been decided or like the letter said its time to move forward /changing the past won`t fix the future.

But it is the past that has put us in our current situation and by ignoring those mistakes of the past you cant fix the future. Policies put in place because of those mistakes bankrupted a nation and helped to tear down a world wide economy two wars and countless dollars thrown at nothing not to mention the countless lives that have been lost ove rthe lies and policies of a corrupt administration will not be ignored by its people and the people of the world

Just look around and see on 9-11 the protests are not just in the U.S. they are spreading across the globe all you need to do to see this is visit WE ARE CHANGE you can see it . The Citizens of America are not alone in this fight

[mntruthseeker]

You are exactly right NB, I couldn't of said it better

I have been listening to Alex for an hour now and what he is doing is reading the letter now. I have put this on my face book page and I pray someone will read the letter

I have sent it to my son as there are so many waiting for any news such as this.

I want this around. To me it is so important and not just about 9/11 but to stop it from happening again..............We need a breaking point and this is it !

They are not ready to hear about the aliens but you know, I firmly believe with all my heart that we have more aliens ready to step in and help us and that they will indeed do so

We can do this

[franciejones]

Yes..very misleading. MANY people believe this actually happened due to the fact that FICTIONAL responsed are posted from Barack. I am way MAD at Alex Jones for this stunt. TOO many people listen to him and read his site for this to have gone down. DISGUSTING.

[mntruthseeker]

Yes..very misleading. MANY people believe this actually happened due to the fact that FICTIONAL responsed are posted from Barack. I am way MAD at Alex Jones for this stunt. TOO many people listen to him and read his site for this to have gone down. DISGUSTING.


I'm sorry you feel that way. I love it and I'm glad and how do you know for sure that Obama is not behind this? I can sometimes see him behind alot more than people think.

So go ahead and be mad but I hope people actually read the letter......the facts are there.

Where are all these people that they killed? WHERE? Why shouldn't we ask for a new investigation?

I say Thank you Alex Jones and Charley Sheen thank you thank you

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Charlie Sheen is a true American willing to put his career on the line to speak out.

The way it was done in a written form, creating reality! Is a perfect psy op against the NWO.

We are using their psy op games against them!


It is so perfect it makes me giggle!

[Swanny]

Just read the pretend interview.
Very well written and a great read and hopefully the noise it makes will wake up a few :thumb_yello:

[mntruthseeker]

Im sitting here smiling from ear to ear and tickled pink all over. I am loving this so much.

I love Charlie Sheen and Alex Jones for doing this. I know there are more out there and its really sad that they have to put their lives on the line

BUT we all know so go ahead and try killing either one of them......millions of us know what is going on.

Send the letter to everyone.

Who cares if the interview really happened...............:naughty:

the story is the truth and this is great

[Malynda]

I guess we all wake up differently. I think if I believed 9/11 was actually committed by Islamic terrorists and then read on Alex Jones site about Charlie Sheen faking a conversation with Obama about 9/11 being an inside job, that it would think he's just another "crazy conspiracy theorist". I know the Sheens have worked very hard for truth in all things and I have seen Charlie speak about 9/11 before and I am proud of them. The hype and then the fictions are not the best way to wake people up who have been dealing with fictions all their lives, imho. I guess it might put pressure on Obama to actually meet with Charlie. Let's hope for the best.

[Steve_A]

Hi Vidya Moksha,

I guess I missed that too, or it wasn't online when I read the thing. I wake up really early around 5:00 local time, one hour before Esatern time in the US and I'm convinced that the disclaimer was not there. It's not the first time Prison Planet had to change or changed their pages to suit the moment. But even if the disclaimer was there, it's a little like what you get on an insurance policy, the body of the propaganda sucks you in and the disclaimer takes second stage.

Now I know the title of a new movie "The Jones Deception". He did exactly what he complains in so many circumstances against, trying to hoodwink the public. I'm sorry Alex Jones but doing this to hype someones' idea was too much. Just to get the punters in.

Considering the sensitivity of the matter I think it was very inappropriate to make such a misleading story, I mean if the subject needs clever (well not that much) marketing techniques, then it's probably not true. Right?

So now I'm back where I was six months ago about this hack.

Just when I was beginning to trust him a little more.

Best regards,

Steve








This is at the end of the transcript..did no one notice it?
Author’s Note: What you have just read didn’t actually happen… yet.
This is an open letter to the President requesting a new investigation.
Charlie Sheen.

[mntruthseeker]

I guess we all wake up differently. I think if I believed 9/11 was actually committed by Islamic terrorists and then read on Alex Jones site about Charlie Sheen faking a conversation with Obama about 9/11 being an inside job, that it would think he's just another "crazy conspiracy theorist". I know the Sheens have worked very hard for truth in all things and I have seen Charlie speak about 9/11 before and I am proud of them. The hype and then the fictions are not the best way to wake people up who have been dealing with fictions all their lives, imho. I guess it might put pressure on Obama to actually meet with Charlie. Let's hope for the best.

I put it on my face book an hour ago and no one has touched it. OH LOL LOL my family does think I'm crazy

Think I will put up a note...........Please read, I'm not crazy

[TheChosen]

Using deceptive tactics while we are entering the energies of openness and honesty.. bad idea if you ask me. I think this one will angry a lot of people who are fed up with the MS news feeding them daily deceptive information. On the other hand if it creates enough hype, it will stir a lot of people from the mass populace (who respond best to celebrities) to go out and do some fact finding or even demand a closer look by the officials.

In any case Charlie Sheen has my utmost respect. Throwing on the line an A-list holywood career for the truth is not easy.. you can't imagine until you are at that position. It is easy making risks when you can't lose much but it becomes very tough when you have everything to lose and practically nothing to gain personally.. it takes vision and deeper understanding of how things work.

I always liked his movies and knew there was something to him... now I see why.

[Malynda]

I put it on my face book an hour ago and no one has touched it. OH LOL LOL my family does think I'm crazy

Think I will put up a note...........Please read, I'm not crazy

I have watched documentaries where people are spoken to and shown video of WTC 7 and had mountains of evidence shown and explained to them and they say they have better things to worry about and how disrespectful truthers are to the families of 9/11 victims. It's a sad, sad thing that we care more about bills and work than how our loved ones were murdered by the government or many governments. More will wake up but I do believe this is at their own pace. Only thing anyone can do is to put the word out.

[Steve_A]

Hi Thechosen,

I think that deception tactics cheapen the subject, or deems the subject frivolous. It can only be a negative. Also the page has been changed from this morning - check out what the reaction was from the first people that posted a reaction:

http://www.infowars.com/twenty-minutes-with-the-president/

You can fool some of the people, but not all of them, except when the page was changed you will notice how their responses changed.

It's sad when Jones has to resort to tacky gimmicks to rake the punters in.

Best regards,

Steve


Using deceptive tactics while we are entering the energies of openness and honesty.. bad idea if you ask me. I think this one will angry a lot of people who are fed up with the MS news feeding them daily deceptive information. On the other hand if it creates enough hype, it will stir a lot of people from the mass populace (who respond best to celebrities) to go out and do some fact finding or even demand a closer look by the officials....

[mntruthseeker]

yes, same here. I bought tons of videos here and some of my neighbors still turn their backs on me. My husband got mad and wanted me to understand that I need to stop

Oh no way, I'm not embarrassed with anything I have to say and I'm at the point now, you dont want to know, dont ask me.

I will never lied and I already had the cops bring to the hospital once. Thank God my husband convinced the dr I am not nuts. One nurse knew and she felt bad for me. So know what? I send emails to their fax machines now. I send it to the police depts too and no one has come and taken me away again. OH LOL my husband would so be mad at me if he knew.

I'm going to send this letter.

Who cares what they think. We need to do what we can to wake them up

[Malynda]

yes, same here. I bought tons of videos here and some of my neighbors still turn their backs on me. My husband got mad and wanted me to understand that I need to stop

Oh no way, I'm not embarrassed with anything I have to say and I'm at the point now, you dont want to know, dont ask me.

I will never lied and I already had the cops bring to the hospital once. Thank God my husband convinced the dr I am not nuts. One nurse knew and she felt bad for me. So know what? I send emails to their fax machines now. I send it to the police depts too and no one has come and taken me away again. OH LOL my husband would so be mad at me if he knew.

I'm going to send this letter.

Who cares what they think. We need to do what we can to wake them up

Here's the conundrum for me with trying to wake people up. Have you ever seen someone try to talk to a person about Jesus and religion when that person is not religious or not a Christian? See, I loves me some Jesus but even I get turned off by someone trying to push what they believe in on me as if it's the only right way. It turns people in general off most times. I tend to share information but I don't try to push it because if I push even just a smidge too hard, people will turn off and label me crazy. It's ok but if I just share and let them have at it on their own, they tend to come around, slowly but surely.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Wow why does everyone think Alex is trying to hoodwink us?

This is a way to get this discussion out to the mainstream media

Doesn't anyone see this but me?

Geez I really am on the wrong planet

[Vidya Moksha]

Thats too bad that you feel this way. It is very important this information gets out. In fact some people NEED to hear this as they are not AWARE of the events

9/11 was very important and its a start. Once people see that this WAS a set up then they can join together in any form or way they want to STOP anything further from happening

Its an important first step to waking up this world to the truth

I think its horses for courses. No one in this forum doubts the 'reality' of what happened (no one knows for sure who did what, but it was obviously an inside job). My post was to this forum. I have been posting stuff about 911 to a facebbok page for a year or so also, a few pick up on it, most dont. Im obviously a nut job. My sister came round the other day with her new bf, 911 was brought up, they didnt know it was an inside job, BUT THEY DIDNT CARE either. Its not part of their world.

Also some people can not accept that their govt would do this. It is a threat to their reality and their world and they will never accept it. It threatens their cosy little world too much, and they simply can't take it.

Alex Jones has not made any first steps, this is old stuff now. And he has a poor reputation, even amongst truth seekers. So now he has a celebrity on board (I read in this forum that the celeb was making a sacrifice, but I listened to start of the show and Jones said he was making $20M per annum as an actor..guess i could afford to sacrifice some of that income too). I suppose in this celeb fed world some people might take notice, if this celeb is anybody, I hadnt heard of him before, but then I have never owned a tv and I cant remember him in any film I have ever seen.

I saw a piece by US architects recently, they were saying "hang on, we build these things, there's no way it could fall like that with jet fuel, we need to investigate". Wouldnt they have more credence than Jones in the US?

For sure it would be nice if something comes of this, but my comments reflected the hype around the 'biggest' ever Jones show, and it was posted to an audience in this forum, and I stand by my sarcasm.

[TheChosen]

Steve: I was actually among the first people to read the story at infowars.com (There were only 9 comments at the time).. and the disclaimer was NOT at the end of the page. It was added only about 15 minutes later. I am pretty sure I would have seen it as I continued reading everything from the end up to all the comments made until then and writing my own comment.

Let's hope it gets the hype it deserves.. The good thing is Alex and Charlie seem to have planned this really really well and have counted with all the possibilities. After all is said and done, definately a positive development.. except for the deceptive tactics.

[Malynda]

I think most of us cheer when lies spread by the "ills" are brought to light. So I have to think that when fictions by people like Alex Jones are brought to light, sleepers cheer.

[mntruthseeker]

I think most of us cheer when lies spread by the "ills" are brought to light. So I have to think that when fictions by people like Alex Jones are brought to light, sleepers cheer.



What do you mean by "fictions" these are truths and I am not a sleeper

[Malynda]

Fictions, like the piece that was posted on Alex's site this morning that we are all discussing in this thread.

[mntruthseeker]

as there was no interview................gotcha

but what is actually written in the letter are facts. I seen the facts in the videos I purchased but they are also on you tube.

If they take the time to read the letter maybe they might learn something

[TruthWillSetUFree]

I for one do not feel deceived by this.

Tptb deceive us all the time, anger should be directed towards them.

What perfect way to do it since 9-11 was the biggest deception of all played out on the American people....all they are doing is thinking like their opponents think.
Unfortunately, You have to stoop to their level to get the job done.

At least Charlie and Alex are implementing their own psy ops with the Truth in their capable hands.

I always look at the INTENTION of the person(s) before I judge

I am sorry if anyone feels slighted by this, I assure you it will help the cause.

[Malynda]

Has anyone seen this in the mainstream media yet? I checked foxnews, cnn and msnbc on the web and didn't see anything yet.

[Steve_A]

Hi Malynda,

Why would the mainstream media put out anything about this non-story?

So what if an actor wants to meet with the President of the US? Many others do also.

This was 90% hype and 10% tripe. Sorry. How can anyone say that Obama would have said the things that were deemed to have been said in this fantasy of two people talking. In this fantasy, even his aides were whispering in his ear to add tension to the invention.

I'm not doubting the contents of the points in this article because I have followed the subject of 9/11, just the way it was presented to hoodwink the general public.

But don't you think that someone new to the subject would not bother to follow up as, if the conversation was made up then who knows, the information may be also.

Best regards,

Steve






Has anyone seen this in the mainstream media yet? I checked foxnews, cnn and msnbc on the web and didn't see anything yet.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

considering the last time Charlie Sheen came out for 9-11 Truth he was on Jimmy Kimmel and on one of those Entertainment Tonight shows so I would think it would be hitting the airwaves soon.

I think this was the whole point of this, to force it on mainstream media.

It could go either way, either they will take the bait or not, we'll see.

The more people get it out there the more people will talk about it


I think it is smart for him to appeal to those who are enamored by Hollywood stars, remember he is trying to appear to the masses of flouridated brains!

[Malynda]

Hi Malynda,

Why would the mainstream media put out anything about this non-story?

So what if an actor wants to meet with the President of the US? Many others do also.

This was 90% hype and 10% tripe. Sorry. How can anyone say that Obama would have said the things that were deemed to have been said in this fantasy of two people talking. In this fantasy, even his aides were whispering in his ear to add tension to the invention.

I'm not doubting the contents of the points in this article because I have followed the subject of 9/11, just the way it was presented to hoodwink the general public.

But don't you think that someone new to the subject would not bother to follow up as, if the conversation was made up then who knows, the information may be also.

Best regards,

Steve

I agree with you, Steve. I was trying to see if they would pick up on it since some think this will be beneficial. I think this is detrimental or a non-issue but would like to be proved wrong. That's all. :original:

[tone3jaguar]

Weather Alex is consciously aware of it or not, he has become a spoke in the wheel of those people who need negative energy directed at them in order to wield power. He has stated that the does not pay attention to this "new age" type of stuff. What he does not realize, or he does, is that encouraging mass amounts of people to get up and direct their anger and attention at the negative occult power structure he is actually playing right into their hands. They want us to know what they have done, the more anger directed at them the more power they are rewarded with from the negative extradimensional forces that they have aligned themselves with.

[Swanny]

What he tells me doesn't make me mad it just helps me to prepare for what is coming. :thumb_yello:
From where I am standing I see it as possitive energy

[tone3jaguar]

What he tells me doesn't make me mad it just helps me to prepare for what is coming. :thumb_yello:
From where I am standing I see it as possitive energy


That is good, but you might be in the minority of the reactions of his listeners. Standing outside of the bilderberger meetings screaming at these people in a fit of rage may not be the best example to set for those more impressionable then you are.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Yes at first people will be angry that they have been lied to but I believe this will be the catalyst for change.


Anger is a powerful energy and when used to propel idea's is how they manifest into form for the good of humanity.

Gandhi, Martin Luther King, anyone who has been a proponent for a huge change in the world wasn't a little pansy, they directed their righteous anger towards the good.

I still believe that basic human decency and love will rule the day.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Listening to the Alex Jones show now, he is stating that this is only the beginning of a huge, OPERATION, they have planned out to elicit this change

so that tptb are forced once and for all to address this issue

It is not only about 9-11 it is about all the laws that were implemented because of 9-11 that have taken away our freedoms



To me it is pure GENIUS

Not deceitful

Not stupid

Not irresponsible

Not giving power to tptb

Psy op vs Psy op, one for evil the other for the good of humanity

I believe it would behoove all of us to hop aboard the one for humanity because there is strength in numbers- no matter if you agree with how it is being implemented or not if the end result is FREEDOM for all then I am all over it!

[mntruthseeker]

Just as T3J said, I too thougth of it as feeding them with the negative energy, but then I figured why not wake up more.

I am hoping for a big step in the right direction seeing as 9/11 is around the corner. He said Charlie will be on a couple of times this week


If just one of us reached one person and tell them to bring "love" into the world for peace it is worth it.

[deb003]

I guess I get confused with this sometimes.

To bring about change, the anger that people feel towards tptb need to be directed in a positive way, for instance a peaceful revolution. ?

But also, giving our anger and throwing it directly at tptb I think might come right back to hurt us, since like attracts like? negative attracts negative? and so I do think that the anger that is enticed could or should be directed or transcended into a positive way.

I do hear Alex Jones rant so high sometimes with so much anger that it's almost sickening to listen to but that is also because there's an anger that I can relate to with Alex and it's not something I like in myself, because it's the dual aspect of my personality, but it is what it is. We all have it. I just prefer to channel it into meditation, or exercise, or release it.

There's something unhealthy about acting out our anger by sending hate and ill words or feelings towards others, even if it is tptb. I for one do feel anger, but then I try to release and then try to send love to them. I don't think someone likes what I'm doing because I get visits during sleep from entities, but guess what, I send them white light. I surround myself in white light and they immediately start to leave me when I do that.
It sounds crazy, but this is my experience.

[mntruthseeker]

yes he does deb, you are correct. But I have learn to tone his yelling down. Mostly I read off his page, today is the first time I heard him

At least he is saying it needs to be a peaceful means of getting the attention of the president. He has changed his tone. So he has a big mouth, I guess some people get excited but his words were right on.

David Icke says to protest peacefully also. He doesnt yell and yes he has many people total respect.

Alex is a different type of person and he has many followers now a day.


Saying 9/11 was an inside job doesn't bring out as much anger as many think it does. People know in their hearts they just don't want to hear it said.

They turn their heads away saying Oh well, what can we do about it. We really mustn't continue to think that way. We must stand up and tell them enough any way we .

They do the same if you tell them there are aliens on this planet yet so many in here want the world to know the truth

Explain to me what the difference is, someone, anyone

[14 Chakras]

I think AJ fulfills a hugely necessary role at this time and he's quite the entertaining guy to do it!

As I mentioned earlier, my main concern is he takes a very material approach to a problem that goes deeper than the material. David Icke is understanding the solutions lie in consciousness more, but AJ has him on the show, and I'm a huge AJ fan, I just don't share his mindset about everything.

For a lot of people he's too fear based, and I get that... He's good for those who need to wake up and he's great for a certain audience. Everyone can get something from his news coverage. Keep up the good work AJ and may all of us critics start our own radio shows!

[Northern Boy]

It is not only about 9-11 it is about all the laws that were implemented because of 9-11 that have taken away our freedoms

Almost every law on the book was done for this purpose it started long before 9-11 . 9-11 was done to circumvent the Constitution the others were done to get you to give up your birth rights in exchange for Government privileges

[KathyT]

To me it is pure GENIUS!

Genius? Absolutely the opposite. It was sheer STUPIDITY! A HOAX!

http://www.infowars.com/twenty-minutes-with-the-president/
From the URL above:

Reported by Charlie Sheen
Infowars
Tuesday, September 8, 2009
<......... story.....>
Author’s Note: What you have just read didn’t actually happen… yet.
This is an open letter to the President requesting a new investigation.
Charlie Sheen.

You don't succeed in getting the truth to come out by being a complete idiot. You don't succeed in getting average American's to consider the possibility that 911 was an inside job by making up hoaxes.

This was totally disgusting.

[mntruthseeker]

Well I guess everyone doesnt feel the same as you do Kathy.

Did it get the worlds attention? I would say yes. We will not know the end results until later in the week

A hoax ? 9/11 was the hoax.............

I guess its anything goes when you are trying to save your world as you know it. Alex and Charley have that in the back of their minds. I can't put them down for that.

We are all of course entitled to our own and I thought it was more important to not critize someone for what they thought they needed to do to bring about the end results they wanted.

[Malynda]

I'm confused here. If the end justifies the means, then we could all just play the dirtiest game to get to the truth and it would be ok. Wouldn't that make us just like the "ills"?

[mntruthseeker]

That is not how I see it. What is the hoax because he titled the letter, 20 minutes with the president. He clearly states at the end of the letter that this did not happen.

He said his purpose was to mislead the press and media into bringing it in the open so they would read the letter. The media called Alex while he was on the air, questioning the validity of Charlie even writing the letter. He did and it was his idea.

Where is it a hoax ? That is not saying the end justifies the means. There is no end to it

Do you think it made the press and media mad? Do we care?

Yes, it may of backfired.............All I'm saying is, put the blame where it belongs.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over it

[Malynda]

He clearly states at the end of the letter that this did not happen.

He stated this almost an hour after it was posted. That's wherein the hoax lies. In a time when people are screaming for the truth, I don't think it's a good idea to be deceitful. I get that it was all Sheen's idea but Alex Jones hopped on the bandwagon and chose to be the channel through which Sheen broadcasted. That's how he got caught up in all this.

[KathyT]

Well I guess everyone doesnt feel the same as you do Kathy.

Did it get the worlds attention? I would say yes. We will not know the end results until later in the week

A hoax ? 9/11 was the hoax.............

I guess its anything goes when you are trying to save your world as you know it. Alex and Charley have that in the back of their minds. I can't put them down for that.

We are all of course entitled to our own and I thought it was more important to not critize someone for what they thought they needed to do to bring about the end results they wanted.

You’re mixing up concepts here.

9/11 was not a hoax. 9/11 was a crime, and the individuals who foisted this crime on 3,000+ innocent Americans needs to be hung from the end of a rope. They should be tried in court like war criminals. And the persons responsible for 9/11 were the owners of the building and all those connected who plotted using demolition and a cover up to bring down the World Trade centers.

A hoax is by definition “An act, document or artifact intended to deceive or defraud.” That is exactly what Alex Jones and Charlie Sheen did.

My family taught me, and I taught my children to behave with honor. To tell the truth, and to seek the truth through honorable means. You don’t fight killing with killing. You don’t start city riots because you don’t like laws, or because you’re beat up on the street. You seek your justice in a court of law. You don’t steal from your neighbor because he steals from you. You don’t bomb City Hall because you don’t like their decisions.

Getting the truth out on 9/11 will only happen through responsible reporting and documentaries, and telling the truth as it really is.. over and over again.

People like Alex Jones and Charlie Sheen have made themselves look like fools… but I’m sure this isn’t the first time they’ve done that. The only educational thing that comes out of this is for people who know nothing about Alex and Charlie, to have learned a lesson here.

Did it get the world’s attention? Hardly so.

[Northern Boy]

Kathy I Beg to differ i thought it Would be ignored i was wrong Reuters has picked up this story

[Malynda]

Kathy I Beg to differ i thought it Would be ignored i was wrong Reuters has picked up this story

I posted this in another thread (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=167372&postcount=8)about this.

He sent press releases to various news agencies. One way to make sure the msm has the news.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Genius? Absolutely the opposite. It was sheer STUPIDITY! A HOAX!

http://www.infowars.com/twenty-minutes-with-the-president/
From the URL above:



You don't succeed in getting the truth to come out by being a complete idiot. You don't succeed in getting average American's to consider the possibility that 911 was an inside job by making up hoaxes.

This was totally disgusting.

I don't see it that way at all Kathy, 9-11 was the hoax.

Thank God in America we can still have a voice in how we feel. I guess it is because I don't have the notion of 'disgusting' inside of me to see it that way.

I see the letter as co-creating a new reality in actually creating an audience with the president

I see it was done to try to help a cause in bringing out the Truth of 9-11 instead of it being unsolved for decades, like the Kennedy assassination without anyone held accountable. This is forcing it into mainstream media and has the possibility of a new investigation. For that alone it was worth taking a chance doing it.

I don't understand why some people are being the victim over this and allowing it to affect them so much.

If it helps people wake up what do you care how it is done?, it's not your reputation on the line.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. We don't have years and years to think up some perfect plan to beat tptb, unless you have a plan that would wake a huge amount of people up with one single letter that you have spent countless hours researching, to make sure it is all correct and based in fact, then stake your life, your families lives, your reputation and your entire lifestyle on.

But it is so easy to say other people are wrong for doing what they think is right when one is behind a computer.

I say they are playing tptb at their own game where is the wrong in that?

Seriously

[TruthWillSetUFree]

9-11 was a Hoax by definition


hoax
  
–noun
something intended to deceive or defraud: The Piltdown man was a scientific hoax.

Synonyms:
deception, fraud, fake, imposture, humbug.

verb (used with object)
to deceive by a hoax; hoodwink.



Any way you use it 9-11 was a Hoax

[Swanny]

If this gets people talking about 9-11 then it has to be a good thing.
I was telling my neighbour about Charlie Sheen speaking out but she had no idea that 9-11 was an inside job, didn't even know that people think it is ..

[TruthWillSetUFree]

If this gets people talking about 9-11 then it has to be a good thing.
I was telling my neighbour about Charlie Sheen speaking out but she had no idea that 9-11 was an inside job, didn't even know that people think it is ..

Exactly swanny....and why using an 'actor' is a brilliant way to bring out the message of 9-11 to those who would not otherwise seek out the Truth in the alternative news.

Now I hear Reuters picked up the story....mmm maybe not so far fetched or stupid as initially believed to be.

[mntruthseeker]

Thank God that someone is going to check into this.

No matter how wrong some think it was, I'm very proud of those men for giving it a shot.

This needs to be brought to the attention of the world, before another one happens........

[KathyT]

This is a quoted comment from the ATS forum:

"he's one of the most widely known men in the field it was utterly irresponsible of him and damages all of our credibility.

The only good that will come of this is that a Link for the keyword 'Alex Jones Hoax" has an ats thread at no 7 on Google at the moment so maybe some people will have a chance to enter an open and real (at times) discussion of issues that affect us all.

But for Millions the biggest name in the field is now a known Hoaxer

and the boy who cried wolf syndrome will now be in effect for many, many people at a time when things happen to be very serious.

It's a time right now for real (truth) when failure of people to be aware could lead to loss even deaths

What he did was foolish and irresponsible"

[swordsmith]

I agree with the above , but what disturbs me more is the hostility towards those who do not agree with the majority here who think this is the magic answer to a very complex issue.
I'm for anything that works but lies added to more lies just doesnt cut it for me .
I have tirelessly worked on this and other related issues so I don't appreciate being told off for my opinion. I am entitled to it, just as you are to yours. Also this is not an American issue, its a global issue, and some of us not living within the US may just have another perspective on how this antic was percieved with maybe a less knee jerk reaction.

[mntruthseeker]

Same here. I am entitled to my opinion and nothing that "others from other sites" will change my opinion. I will not be swayed.

I want justice for the people that suffered during the attack and the over 4000 afterwards that suffered terribly. What ever happens happen and if people go around saying its irresponsible, they need to say something a little more positive or quiet down. Lets make it positive

[hobbit]

Could I just point out that the date is the 11th of the 9th, why we are subjected to this 9/11 nonesense is beyond me.
The truth is that it's 11/9, if everyone has to descend into acronym slang.

Let's see who started this acronym box business, oh yes it was the nazi's, hmmmm.
By compartmentalising America they have been able to make good people do evil things without them knowing what they were doing.
Forgive them, for they knew not what they did.

Just concentrate on the overall adjenda, follow the gold.
hobbit

[Swanny]

This is a quoted comment from the ATS forum:

They are all a bit strange over there :naughty:

[mntruthseeker]

I thought the same thing. LOL

[TruthWillSetUFree]

This is a quoted comment from the ATS forum:
"he's one of the most widely known men in the field it was utterly irresponsible of him and damages all of our credibility.

The only good that will come of this is that a Link for the keyword 'Alex Jones Hoax" has an ats thread at no 7 on Google at the moment so maybe some people will have a chance to enter an open and real (at times) discussion of issues that affect us all.

But for Millions the biggest name in the field is now a known Hoaxer

and the boy who cried wolf syndrome will now be in effect for many, many people at a time when things happen to be very serious.

It's a time right now for real (truth) when failure of people to be aware could lead to loss even deaths

What he did was foolish and irresponsible"




I guess that would be the difference between our views, I do not go by other people opinions to be the Truth, I go by my own gut instinct and intuition.

It all lies in one's perception of what a lie is, I do not believe this to be a lie or done maliciously to hurt anyone.

I see it as an honest attempt to help the world with a, I agree, a very complex issue.

I do not take ATS to be remotely close to bringing out any sort of Truth as I have heard of all the backstabbing and put downs for having an opinion that goes on there.

I believe everyone has a God given right to their own perceptions, interpretations and Truth

At the same time, when someone takes my own words and uses them against me as though my personal views are wrong, I will defend my right to say them. Btw, this is what saboteurs do to create division in groups.

When the human race matures enough to allow other's their own viewpoints without attacking them personally our entire world will change.

To be honest, I don't know why I am expending any energy on this at all, in the big picture it really doesn't matter anyway

[Swanny]

Whatever people think he has definately made a few people listen :thumb_yello:
Certainly fired up a few forums

[KathyT]

I guess that would be the difference between our views, I do not go by other people opinions to be the Truth, I go by my own gut instinct and intuition.

It all lies in one's perception of what a lie is, I do not believe this to be a lie or done maliciously to hurt anyone.

I see it as an honest attempt to help the world with a, I agree, a very complex issue.

I do not take ATS to be remotely close to bringing out any sort of Truth as I have heard of all the backstabbing and put downs for having an opinion that goes on there.



I never go by "opinions", my 'gut instinct' usually comes after I've researched the facts.

Honest reporting is nothing more than that... honest reporting. There are many, many honest people working for newspapers and magazines that really are trying to do the right thing... and not lead someone through a hoax.

Here's one documentary, "In Plane Sight", (1 of 6 parts) which is one of the best I know

YouTube - In Plane Sight - Sept 11 - 911 Conspiracy 1 of 6
Much more believable than Alex Jones.

Here's another
YouTube - 911 Loose Change (full-length)

[mntruthseeker]

its really sad that nothing ever became of their efforts.

The man that produced the video loose change was on Alex Jones today. He was told this would be aired on TV and at the last minute was turned away. Obviously he is ok with all of this. Charley was on too. Hopefully more will be brave tomorrow.

What I dont understand is why you are so angry at Alex and say he is unbelievable due to the letter that his site carried written by Charley Sheen.

Fox news even mentioned it on their site, I dont watch the news so can't tell if it was mentioned on the air. To me that is BIG I'm sure Fox news picked it us as a slam to Obama versus bush. They obviously are blindsided

Me, I say its agaisnt anyone in our Government that shuts the doors on this terrible act. So who am I ? just a human being with a heart that cares for all the men and women that died that day and the 4000 plus afterwards. Its been 8 years and nothing has changed. Their lives and those of all the military men and women that are suffering or the ones we lost do matter more that that to me. I say bring it out anyway you can.

I am not angry at Alex or Charley for their attempt. I think they put a smile on many faces and hopefully made others wake up and see the truth.

The hoax is minimal to the spirits of the people that have passed on and I'm sure even they had a hand in helping Charley write that letter. I like to think they did. :wink2:

[Myplanet2]

It's a fools errand to go off trying to convince your government that something sinister has gone/is going on. If they are not actively involved in the top down me first game, then they've become so enamoured of the carrot being dangled before them on the stick that they'd do anything they're told to keep feeding their addiction for more money, power and prestige.

It's also not realistic to think that this type of stunt would wake many people up. They're not asleep by accident. There is so much info out there already, that they have to be smashing the alarm clock and pulling the blankets back over their heads to avoid the inevitable day ahead.

I can't really get behind this American-centric view of this 9-11 tragedy. Yes, some several thousand people died in this false flag. To go and petition those who did it, or supported it for a new investigation is just not too bright, to put it mildly. There is just no way Obama is in any way ignorant of the actual events. Sorry, but no way.

I feel bad for the Americans who died in that act. And for those who tried to help who were also made into casualties, although more slowly.

But what about the million plus who died in Iraq for no reason other than Greed, strategic maneuvering, revenge, or what have you? The American soldiers who died while killing hundreds of thousands of innocents? Were they sent overseas at gun point? were their families held hostage pending their going off to slaughter a million people who offered them no credible threat?

How about we get real here?

In My opinion, the real tragedy of 9-11 is the realization that the American people were ground down into a condition where something like this could even happen. These "morons that be", model this stuff constantly. They knew that Americans' reactions could be steered into the war they sought. They knew that the Americans apathy would hold firm in the aftermath of 9-11 while they ran the American constitution through the shredder. They knew they could bribe and blackmail the Congress into supporting whatever they demanded. They knew the American people would "elect" the candidate they preselected for the next round of BOHICA.

Why did 9-11 happen? because the American people permitted themselves to be put to sleep. The Great nation which would once have dragged these vermin out into the streets and tarred and feathered them before "taking out the garbage", is no more. 9-11 happened because the vermin knew they'd get away with it and easily survive the aftermath.

There is no going back. It's a new and different world than the one you thought you grew up in. The only productive course of action at this point, is to stop playing with these "idiots that be", and get on with creating a new world. The lightworkers the world over and beyond have been working very hard to lay the foundations for a new world. All they need is for more people to wake up to the need for a new world. Not to wake up into the nightmare of the old one they've been sleeping through.

Had this stunt that Alex Jones and Charlie Sheen gone viral in the way they'd hoped, the result would have been a tragedy far beyond what the tally from 9-11 is. Many times worse. Have you ever woken up angry? Think of millions waking up angry. What would they do? They'd plunge into the very well laid trap set by the "nitwits that be". Who is better equipped for armed conflict? How many millions of Americans would die in a new or continued civil war/revolution? And to what end? It's likely that the remnants of any real worth in America has already been sold to the major creditors overseas, particularly the Chinese. Your prospects are for the same old overlords, or maybe some new Chinese ones.

They offer you the choice. It's like a salesman saying you can buy this 40,000 dollar car, but if that's too much, you can choose this 35,000 dollar one. :naughty: Are those your only choices? What about No thanks. I'll not be buying what you sell today. That's the route out of this loop. No thanks. I'll not be playing anymore. It's a hard choice, but it's infinitely preferable to the other two. It would mean having to take personal responsibility in every area accessible to us.

Which do you think would be more effective? 10,000,000 Americans getting fighting mad over the truth about 9-11, or 10,000,000 Americans saying "you've gotten the last dollar in tax money you will ever get from me"?

Just look at how many incumbent CONgress critters were NOT unceremoniously voted out last fall? Over 90% poled said they were against the initiatives being ramrodded through congress, yet they took the bribes or threats, and voted with the "Miscreants that be".

Fighting these people assures your loss. It's the fighting. It's the conflict. It's the remaining polarized which assures your loss. The way out is to simply bypass all of that. Nope. I'm not playing that game. Just say no.

And stop being sucked into their Jerry Springer productions of one distraction after another. We have a new world to build. Just step around the vermin as we go about the real business of creating the world we want.

[mntruthseeker]

Thank you MyPlanet.....I was only thinking of them "waking" up to the truth so it didnt happen again. We all know what that they have planned.

Sure we pray that it will not happen, but what I don't understand is, the very people that are screaming over Alex and Charley are the SAME that want disclosure. Wouldn't that do the same thing only worse?

What they have done to all of us is beyond comprehension with their so called treaty

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Myplanet2

I just want to clarify. Btw your very well written post is mostly true, being an American we have lost our kick ass mentality and been lulled to sleep.

So on the one hand you say 9-11 happened because we are asleep and we have lost our 'tar and feather' protection of our constitution on the other hand you say

Had this stunt that Alex Jones and Charlie Sheen gone viral in the way they'd hoped, the result would have been a tragedy far beyond what the tally from 9-11 is. Many times worse. Have you ever woken up angry? Think of millions waking up angry. What would they do? They'd plunge into the very well laid trap set by the "nitwits that be". Who is better equipped for armed conflict? How many millions of Americans would die in a new or continued civil war/revolution? And to what end? It's likely that the remnants of any real worth in America has already been sold to the major creditors overseas, particularly the Chinese. Your prospects are for the same old overlords, or maybe some new Chinese ones.


I don't know what you did when you 'woke' up but when I woke up I didn't want to go buy a gun and kill all the perpe-traitors.

You don't give the human condition a chance. They thought that America would fall to it's knees after 9-11. What I saw was the True spirit of America, the part of America that will never die and has only gotten stronger.

People cared for others, opened their hearts and their wallets to aid those in need all over the world. I believe it opened the heart chakra of the planet.
Maybe the government used it to shred our constitution, but the spirit of America lives on.

Maybe this is the catalyst for change we need a good wake up call. And yes some will be angry, some will weep and some will go into fear of a shadow government gone nuts. But they will wake up.

Isn't that what every person on this forum has been trying to do when we share the Truth with others?

[mntruthseeker]

well said Truth..........I agree with that, you said it very well

I do want something big to come out of this, I just feel it is easier to reach the people then through disclosure. I'm just totally confused now

With the new commercials airing and the shows aimed at our children, I see them working very hard to pull off their special....the project blue beam.....I see them taking our children and many adults like the pied piper.

So I guess lets get all the truth out there.

We will see what happens on the 12th. I want a big sucess for all of us

[TruthWillSetUFree]

well said Truth..........I agree with that, you said it very well

I do want something big to come out of this, I just feel it is easier to reach the people then through disclosure. I'm just totally confused now

With the new commercials airing and the shows aimed at our children, I see them working very hard to pull off their special....the project blue beam.....I see them taking our children and many adults like the pied piper.

So I guess lets get all the truth out there.

We will see what happens on the 12th. I want a big sucess for all of us


Funny you should say that mntruthseeker have you watched Torchwood-Children of the Earth yet?

OMG it is the epitome of using our children for sinister purposes of manipulation and control. One of the best shows I have seen in a very long time and spells out tptb agenda.

I think the link may still be up on Project Camelot from Bill

Don't be confused dear soul....in the end it will all work out the way it is meant to anyway, just keep being the best you that you can be in every moment, love everyone, even when it is difficult to, especially yourself, and shine your beautiful light out in the world.

[mntruthseeker]

I will check out the link I haven't watched movies in a very long long time

I just happened to see a cartoon at my daughters house which turned my stomach. Plus my grandson at the park playing not cops and robbers or cowboy and indians BUT aliens versus humans.........sick sick sick

That made me think of it.

I found an article that is well worth reading regarding what we can do about the treasonist act of 9/11.......we can disolve our congress and I know that a truther has already served papers but I think we ALL MUST DO IT .

It said it only took one, can you imagine millions serving.

I am not sure if I should put it as a new thread or not.

http://www.examiner.com/x-2912-Seattle-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m5d14-Evidence-shows--911-false-flag-operation-may-have-been-a-hyperdimensional-ET-event


they already did it but all of this is a great find ............check out http://peaceinspace.blogs.com/911/

[Myplanet2]

Excellent points TWSF.

I think I can exemplify the one point with this question: Did you go looking for the truth, or did it come looking for you?

It may be a precondition to those clinging to the sleep state, that they are already afraid of what they'll see if they open their eyes. They already know on some level.

My point about America then and America now, is that the time to prevent 9-11 was almost a century ago. If you overlay what we now understand across the last century of western history, you can project back to the time of the Europeans finding America, and up through their throwing off the imperialistic Advances of the old world powers.

The highlights, as I see them, are that those who refused to be dominated by a small group of controllers, tried to exit the game in Europe and set sail. (It's more than a side note what they did when they got to North America and found it already inhabited, and the Karmic debt America has because of the invasion). But the rebellious beings left Europe and tried to set up a more free shop in North America. The Europeans objected and lots of unpleasantness went back and forth. They tried to install their same power structures in N.A. But we were sick of it and said no. So it came to war(s). We threw off the shackles and declared ourselves free.

But the controllers always have multiple contingencies. They've always modelled outcomes. They couldn't do it overtly, so they went covert.

In 1911, there was a meeting by the PTB in America and some representatives of the European PTB's. They concluded that education must be controlled if America was ever to be brought to heel again. They set about making the plans and subverting the systems. A good description of this action can be seen in a google video done by G. Edward Griffin in his interview with Norman Dodd, who found evidence of the plot in his 50's investigation.

Then in 1913, the banksters had a meeting where they figured out how to put in the often attempted central bank model.

Their manipulations in the late 20's which caused the depression.

The second world war which put women to work because the men were away. This is a sore spot for some, but if you look at the steady increase in percentages of working mothers from then to now, and look at it's effects on the family, it has a bearing. At the same time, they manipulated the value of money through inflation to where it was more and more difficult for one income families to make it.

Suppression of the first contacts with others in at least the late 40's.

The make believe conflict with the communists/socialists in the 50's.

The introduction of the drug culture in the 60's.

The expansion of the consumer culture from the 70's forward through recently.

The switch from street drugs to Psychiatric drugs.

All the mind control experiments and procedures through the 50's to now. This includes the whole Madison ave phenomenon where public opinion became a controllable and sellable commodity.

The purchasing of and subverting of the entertainment media like TV and movies for uses of their choosing,

The dumming down of education during the whole of the century. (Try matching the linguistic and math skills of most high school grads now, with any grade 5 student in 1900)

The various attempts at placing their eugenics policies into law throughout much of the century, Planned parenthood and all that.

The farming out of Americas industrial base via the various free trade agreements over the last few decades.

And I'm sure the list is ten times this long just for highlights. But the point is, this is a multi pronged campaign which has been ongoing since America fought off the British in the 1700's. When they can't achieve their aims overtly, they always use the back door they've already secured for themselves. Always. And they work decades ahead of the on the ground activities we see all around us.

So what to do?

It's SOOOO simple. We just walk away. I realize the implications and have been getting myself used to some of the reality of this decision the last year. I don't use banks. I've used my last remaining bank account once in the last year. and that was to cash a cheque from someone I couldn't get close enough to see in person for other payment options.

I deal in cash and barter whenever feasible.

I don't watch TV. haven't for years. Now if I walk near a running TV, it's like a flock of crows fighting with a herd of car horns. I have to run away holding my ears at the noise of all kinds that come pouring out of TV's.

I don't submit forms or applications to fictitious governments. They don't have my permission to do anything on my behalf. It's part of the scam that they run that they have you believing that you must apply to them for permission for everything. It's just not true. If you want a lie to examine, there's a biggie. Just look at the Freeman movement. Just look at the likes of John Harris, and Robert Menard. It's part of the fraud they've been plying us with for centuries now. We're just so used to it, we don't see it as optional anymore. Well it is. We can simply walk away and say no more of you fools will I suffer, And there isn't a thing they can do about it. Yeah they'll make a few example of the heads that stick up first, but that's not a serious attempts. It's just that they know making a few examples will scare a large number back into compliance.

Their whole game is CENTRALIZATION. All power, money, authority, benefit, etc drifts up the food chain to them. The fewer at the top, the better they like it. But they have to keep the game going of providing us this false reality, because without us doing what we do, there is nothing to drift up to them. So they pretend we have choice. But the choices are between PTB option A, vs PTB option B. It's never otherwise. They pretend to sell us things we then pretend to own, like houses and cars. A study of the actual language of these various contracts for ownership shows an alarmingly different actuality.

So their whole game rests on their ability to keep things centralized or further centralize them.

We just go the other way. Go local. Go personal. stop using their money. stop buying their phoney paper assets, and cash out of the ones you have, if you still can. trade with people. Grow your own food. find and clean your own water. become self sufficient. Don't apply for permission to exist. roast marshmallows with the steady stream of forms and applications they send you.

They've made us totally dependent, or so they'd have us believe. If you want to see how easy it would be to sidestep them look at some of Dimitry Orlov's work, like "reinventing Collapse". He shares some of the wisdom the Russians who survived the Soviet collapse used to survive when there was no more effective government there for a time. All about how people took their survival back into their own hands and shone.

This whole game has been created to fail. And as always, they have the next game sitting and waiting for us as a solution to the pain of this collapsed game, and it will be offered with a smile and promise of much better lives for all, and corrections of the errors of the past, while taking away any chance that they can ever again be challenged, or walked away from. That's why all the talk of moneyless society, you whole life running through a single controllable point, like a chip or a chipped card.

Now is the time to walk away. It's still a viable option, and in fact they are at their most vulnerable right now, as they prepare to unveil their new brand of tyranny. They are at their weakest, because they are collapsing the infrastructure they depend on for their power. They are assuming we'll just sheepishly walk into their well laid traps and accept the slavery they envision for us.

We don't have to walk into their future. They have set it up to make it seem there is no other choice. But there is another choice. Simply to not go along with their plans. They think we can't get by without their money. We can. They think they control our food and water. They don't. They think they can keep us dependent on the industrial base they own. They can't. We may have to simplify our lives, and it will be a drastic change, but we're essentially free to do as we please. Unless you consider yourself addicted to their controls, you aren't.

You've noticed the second wave that shot round the world in the moments following 9-11. The first was a wave of confusion and terror. You could cut it with a knife. Many also noticed the second one which followed close on the heels of the first. IT'S the wave that caught the PTB off guard. It was the wave of compassion and love, and the demand that we again become whole. If not for all of their century long conditioning and manipulation, that wave of compassion would have ushered in the new age right then and there. But too many were immersed in their illusory world of TV, and next greatest thing, I need more bucks, and all that fluffy window dressing. Pass the tranquilizers.

They hopped on the first wave and slammed in the patriot act, and homeland security, and the war on terror, and blah, blah, blah, and too few said no. They were counting on that fact that there would not be enough saying no to thwart them.

Now it's too late to say no to their plans. All we can do is say no to THEM. The old system is too corrupted by their tendrils. We have to completely step outside their system and start over. The cancer has spread throughout the old system, to where all we can do about it is put it down. A complete rebirth is now required. We can never carve their machinations out of the system as it exists. Literally every corner of our society has their stank on it. And is geared to herd us into dependency and addiction to what they control.

Just say no and walk away. meet your neighbours and decide what to do to provide for yourselves. And as quickly as humanly possible, eliminate dependence on anything that has to be brought to you over long distances. Anything you need, make sure you can get it locally.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Wow that certainly puts a whole new dimension on the 9-11 operation, no pun intended! LOL

I always like Alfred Webre, he is a highly intelligent, moral human being that displays integrity and care of our planet as it relates to the entire cosmos.

I think you would love the Torchwood movie, make sure you have a box of tissues handy. I think it will shed some light on what is happening to our children


I think that information absolutely deserves it's own thread for people like me who had not heard of that aspect of 9-11 before.

Listening to it now, excellent information. I have not heard anything I haven't known before, but coming from Weber it makes what I have heard more credible.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Excellent points TWSF.

I think I can exemplify the one point with this question: Did you go looking for the truth, or did it come looking for you?

It may be a precondition to those clinging to the sleep state, that they are already afraid of what they'll see if they open their eyes. They already know on some level.

My point about America then and America now, is that the time to prevent 9-11 was almost a century ago. If you overlay what we now understand across the last century of western history, you can project back to the time of the Europeans finding America, and up through their throwing off the imperialistic Advances of the old world powers.

The highlights, as I see them, are that those who refused to be dominated by a small group of controllers, tried to exit the game in Europe and set sail. (It's more than a side note what they did when they got to North America and found it already inhabited, and the Karmic debt America has because of the invasion). But the rebellious beings left Europe and tried to set up a more free shop in North America. The Europeans objected and lots of unpleasantness went back and forth. They tried to install their same power structures in N.A. But we were sick of it and said no. So it came to war(s). We threw off the shackles and declared ourselves free.

But the controllers always have multiple contingencies. They've always modelled outcomes. They couldn't do it overtly, so they went covert.....



Again myplanet2, excellent post and I agree with so much of what you say.

I have been getting the same intuitive hits about what it means to be in the matrix and how powerful we as human beings are to say NO to 'them'. I do not live under the illusion that I need anything from them.

I have been buying local for a long time mostly because every time I would go into the grocery store, walking down the aisles I would get a really sick feeling in my stomach looking at all the choices and companies. I now know it was because what I was sensing was the GMO in the food that was alerting me from within. It doesn't happen anymore but I have learned to listen to my gut instincts as it will never lead us astray.

To answer your question about how I got the Truth.

My prayer was to know the Truth....period. At the time I thought I was praying to know spiritual Truth and that it would come to me in a lovely package all tied up in a pretty bow of understanding.....boy was I wrong! LOL...what I got was NWO, chemtrails, Alex Jones, vatican secrets, (this after being a religion teacher for years) bohemian grove, you name it, I got it! Was I angry because I was duped? you bet I was but it didn't drive me insane or elicit me into doing violence to anyone, it spurred me on to know more and do the research required for deeper understanding.

It came to me by way of being on Ron Paul's presidential campaign. So he was the catalyst that brought my wake up.
It wouldn't matter to me if I woke up because of Charlie Sheen's letter, in fact I believe that would be secondary to what I was being woken up to.
Point being, I wasn't angry that I was on Ron Paul's campaign as the reason all this 'bad news' was brought to me.

I see your breakdown of America's demise is very accurate and yes I do believe that the whole point of America was to play out this crazy plan of theirs. I also think there are other energies at work that they will not count on happening just like 9-11 and the compassion that opened the hearts of many around the world.

While I believe in turning one's back on tptb as though they do not exist, like Jesus said to the devil, "Get thee behind me Satan" I also believe there is more to it. I don't know how to explain it, but the fact that evil is so evident and prominent to see, it is sometimes easier to think that it is winning the so called game. I feel that even though we cannot see what the light or 'good guys' are doing it doesn't mean it is not working equally if not dominantly over the darkness.

When I see the entire picture I fit the third dimensional world of matter into what I know to be universal Truths. Truths that cannot be altered or changed because they are what they are, irrefutable and undeniable and always at hand.

We can 'argue' (I know we are not arguing, but discussing) points of view and pros and cons and who is right and wrong all we want, but there are forces at work that will win the day and that I am confident of.

Darkness cannot exist in the Light. You don't even need a whole lotta light to dispel the darkness. This goes along with only needing small percentage of people to wake up.

We are all held to be accountable through karma. This means all of us.
ALL OF US, even those who choose to do the dark's bidding. There is no way around this. Even if they feel like they are winning they cannot change the effects of their own karma. (I have been 'told' that one's karmic effects are happening quicker now, may be because the notion of time is speeding up)

This is the time of Truth, nothing will be allowed to be hidden or pushed under the rug. The Truth is surfacing from the micro, from relationships, government coverups, etc. to the macro finding new planets and star systems, etc. It is all coming out baby. I feel the dark knows this and knows they cannot stop it and why they are in overdrive to implement their plans.

People are slated to be awakened, whether it is through Charlie Sheen's letter or whatever, it is their time to wake up. Our DNA is changing to accept this wake up as well, so I don't believe it will be the mass chaos that some are predicting. AND it is up to those Lightworkers who have been awakened for some time to help those stuck in anger, fear or sadness so our collective energy can be for the good of humanity. It is like the 100th monkey phenomenon we are all awakening.

I went to a little town in Michigan to drop off my daughter for college last weekend and the driver told me about what he knew about NWO, chemtrails etc etc. The drive to the train station was almost an hour and we talked about everything. He said even when he was in the military he knew about much of this information but he wasn't allowed to talk about it and why he believes so much of it to be true now. Again while at work the other day a woman started talking to me about the vaccine issue, my point is, I have to go by what I experience first hand in my own sphere of the world, not what I read about from other people, and what I see is people are waking up all over America. Maybe America was chosen specifically because we are such a compassionate trusting people and they knew they could pull the wool over our eyes.....for awhile..... but when the American spirit gets activated...watch out...because we are still a strong people, albeit a bit fatter, a bit older, but wiser....we will prevail and emerge even stronger than before.

Time to go for a walk, it is beautiful outside, then make some apple bread.....have a wonderful day!

[Swanny]

Make me some please :original:

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Make me some please :original:

You got it swanny! Put the tea on and I will bring a loaf over! :cup:

[mntruthseeker]

Please include me in also. I can't think of a better group to join

YouTube - Important Message for the Eyes and soul of President Obama...........

[Swanny]

Was listening to Alex last night, he had the Scottish bloke (Alan Watt) on the show.
I knew time is short but last night it really brought it home that time is now very short. Hope everyone out there has made their plans and are as ready as can be just in case.
Just a few weeks now and the vaccinations should be in full effect. :mad3:

Good luck everyone :original:

[Seashore]

This is at the end of the transcript..did no one notice it?
Author’s Note: What you have just read didn’t actually happen… yet.
This is an open letter to the President requesting a new investigation.
Charlie Sheen.

There was a video contest that Alex Jones launched to help bring attention to the Charlie Sheen "20 Minutes with the President" transcript and the reason behind it.

Infowars.com posts (http://www.infowars.com/20-minutes-with-the-president-winner/) the winner today:

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20 Minutes With The President Winner

Infowars
November 30, 2009

This is Christo Garcia’s adaptation of Charlie Sheen’s script “20 Minutes with the President.” Opening with the prophetic statements of Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy about the New World Order’s “Ruthless Conspiracy”, the tight script will illuminate how truly absurd the “Official Story” of 9/11 is. Hopefully, this film will help re-invigorate the 9/11 Truth movement, and inspire other filmmakers to create their own films about 9/11 Truth.

Check out the other fine entries on the 20 Minutes with the President website (http://twentyminuteswiththepresident.com/).

__________________________________________

Here's the winner:

YouTube- 20 Minutes with the President

[Derek]

Alex jones censors the words kinghts of malta, vatican, and jesuit from his forum

Alex jones goes only as far as to say the bilderbergs cfr and international bankers control the world (though he usually doesnt deny the rest on his radio show unless its about the vatican or extraterrestrials or zionists)

Alex jones believes (or says he does) that the main reason for the NWO is crazy elitists obsessed with eugenics

Alex jones is a fearmonger

Alex jones had david rothschild on his show (he only appears on major networks yet he makes an exception to come on alexs show to promote the carbon global warming myth)

Alex jones claims to have snuck into into bohemian grove which is heavily guarded and over 2000 acres. He says he was stopped by security guards but by saying he was with the bushes they left him alone (incidentally, the major intelligence apparatus guarding the place was too lazy to double check with the bushes) he was able to easily find his way around the place, mingle with everyone, get everything on camera, and get out safely, and somehow he doesn't seem scared at all throughout the entire video. If I remember he also had a bbc (or some other mainstream british news) reporter with him. He also says the sacrifice they do there is fake.

Alex jones has a very popular radio show and receives little to no opposition in fact he regularly appears on mainstream news and has other people that do on his show

Alex jones radio show is owned by a company that is owned by abc

Alex says the voting system is a fraud then tells all his listeners to vote for ron paul ( a freemason)

alex jones promotes violent revolution

I could go on and on all of this information is on the internet

[Magamud]

Just dont forget the bolshevik revolution and how those liberators turned out to be.

[LadyLake]

Alex jones censors the words kinghts of malta, vatican, and jesuit from his forum

Alex jones goes only as far as to say the bilderbergs cfr and international bankers control the world (though he usually doesnt deny the rest on his radio show unless its about the vatican or extraterrestrials or zionists)

Alex jones believes (or says he does) that the main reason for the NWO is crazy elitists obsessed with eugenics

Alex jones is a fearmonger

Alex jones had david rothschild on his show (he only appears on major networks yet he makes an exception to come on alexs show to promote the carbon global warming myth)

Alex jones claims to have snuck into into bohemian grove which is heavily guarded and over 2000 acres. He says he was stopped by security guards but by saying he was with the bushes they left him alone (incidentally, the major intelligence apparatus guarding the place was too lazy to double check with the bushes) he was able to easily find his way around the place, mingle with everyone, get everything on camera, and get out safely, and somehow he doesn't seem scared at all throughout the entire video. If I remember he also had a bbc (or some other mainstream british news) reporter with him. He also says the sacrifice they do there is fake.

Alex jones has a very popular radio show and receives little to no opposition in fact he regularly appears on mainstream news and has other people that do on his show

Alex jones radio show is owned by a company that is owned by abc

Alex says the voting system is a fraud then tells all his listeners to vote for ron paul ( a freemason)

alex jones promotes violent revolution

I could go on and on all of this information is on the internet


I've listened to Alex for years and most of these things you say are not true. And the rest you say I have never seen or heard before. You're thorough discrediting of Alex makes me wonder why you're being so triggered...then again, people get paid to do that sort of thing on message boards. I think you'll need to prove these charges.

[Machinamentum]

Alex Jones has been outstanding lately. Everyone needs to tune in to Alex's show now more than ever.:thumb_yello: