Alex jones loses last thread of credibility

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i listened to some of his stuff for a while and faded in and out of interest. he has his place to wake people up as they go through the awakening process.

when fox news are saing the same thing as him you have to smell a rat and i did. something didnt sit right with me with alex jones for about the last 8 months.

HIS BIG NEWS IS CHARLIE SHEENS FAKE LETTER TO BARAK OBAMA ABOUT 9/11.

i think one of the most amazing ways to shoot yourslef int he foot that you could possibly come up with.david wilcock was right about all this stuff a good while ago(dont agree with his obama stance).

this could be the quite damaging for the 9/11 movement as a whole.

his sites supposedly stand for at least some semblacne of getting at the truth, so to use a main stream media tactic is outrageous, stooping to the level of faux news is not the answer.

INCREDIBLE SLIP UP OR PURPOSEFUL EXIT STRATEGY FOR MR JONES???:shocked:

[mntruthseeker]

it was not his idea..............Charley sheen is the one that came up with the writing of the letter. He in fact did all this and his father and him have been really big in getting this message out to the public.

So I guess we can give Alex a little break. I understand that alot are angry with alex for all of this but it was indeed only his information that went into the letter.

I personally heard Charley Sheen say this on the air. Now Charley plans on being on the air twice this week to continue with this.

[Humble Janitor]

Alex had credibility?

I don't buy that.

[KathyT]

HIS BIG NEWS IS CHARLIE SHEENS FAKE LETTER TO BARAK OBAMA ABOUT 9/11.

i think one of the most amazing ways to shoot yourself in the foot that you could possibly come up with.

this could be the quite damaging for the 9/11 movement as a whole.


I agree merkabah, he did shoot himself in the foot... with a cannon ball!

It was sheer STUPIDITY!

You don't succeed in getting the truth to come out by being a complete idiot. You don't succeed in getting average American's to consider the possibility that 911 was an inside job by making up hoaxes.

That is all it is. A HOAX.

[Northern Boy]

It is a PLOY TO TRY AND FORCE A NEW INVESTIGATION Charlie Sheen has some demons that are going to resurface over this . He and his dad both know this and want a new investigation . Alex looks at Charlie as way to take himself main stream If this Hollywood celebrity CAN HELP ALEX PULL THIS OFF ( I DON`T THINK iT WILL) aLEX WOULD BE LOOKED AT AS A GURU MANY OF THE COMMENTS ON THIS ARE CLOSED AT iNFO WARS . I suspect it hasn`t drawn the response Alex has intended and even may be negative due to the build up. Charlie doesn`t have to hang his head Alex and his twist on things caused this blow up

[mntruthseeker]

yep you're probally right but we won't know the end results.

Did any of you listen to the broadcast? He clearly says that many more are going to be coming out over this also. I think on 9/11/09

I'm not going to lose sleep over this, thats for sure.

Nobody knows the end result and if it gets thrown back in their face, which they figured it would, along with some publicity. That was their AIM

their problem and their choice. we are all entitled to make our own choices and I'm not going to jump all over them for this. They are two very grown up men.

[Northern Boy]

Regardless of whether or not President Obama agrees to meet with him, Sheen is confident that his letter will serve as a catalyst from which questions surrounding 9/11 and other false flag events will be brought to national attention.

This comes from a Reuters news report about the letter so maybe it will get this message out i thought it would be largly ignored

[Malynda]

This comes from a Reuters news report about the letter so maybe it will get this message out i thought it would be largly ignored

I took a peek at the infowars forum and it seems he has sent out press releases to many news agencies.

[Northern Boy]

Here is the full article


The Alex Jones Show: Charlie Sheen Requests Meeting with Obama Over 9/11 Cover-Up

Reuters
September 8, 2009
Actor demands investigation be reopened after majority of 9/11 Commission members say government lied about official story.


AUSTIN, Texas, Sept. 8 — According to syndicated talk show host Alex Jones, actor and television star Charlie Sheen has publicly requested a meeting with President Barack Obama to urge him to reopen the official investigation into 9/11; in light of the fact that the majority of the 9/11 Commission members have now publicly gone on record to express their conviction that the government agreed to lie about the official story.
Sheen will appear live on The Alex Jones Show on Wednesday and Friday to discuss the content of his “20 Minutes With The President” piece and how he plans to move forward with this exciting new initiative. You can listen free here or subscribe to prisonplanet.tv to watch live streaming video.
Sheen’s request takes the form of a letter to the President in the context of a fictional meeting between the two entitled “20 Minutes With The President,” published exclusively on radio talk show host Alex Jones’ www.Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com Web sites. Audio clip with Sheen: infowars.com/media/20090908-CharlieSheenINT-Promises.mp3.
The letter cites evidence, backed up by a substantial online bibliography, that alleges to prove the official story behind 9/11 is a fraud and that this conclusion was also reached by the majority of the 9/11 Commission members, a fact that mandates President Obama to reopen the investigation into the terrorist attacks.
Sheen expresses his hope that President Obama will follow through on his promises of change, accountability and government transparency by using his executive powers to re-examine 9/11, adding that he voted for Obama with the understanding that he would follow a different course to the Bush administration.
However, as Sheen highlights in his letter, the course of Obama’s first year in office clearly indicates that he will do nothing to reverse policies crafted by the Bush regime, and in fact has sought to exceed outrages of the previous administration in areas such as warrantless wiretapping, rendition, detention without trial, and wars in the Middle East – all of which arrived as a consequence of 9/11.
Sheen’s letter is a public declaration demanding the truth behind 9/11 as America approaches its eighth anniversary since the tragic events of that day. His questions are shared by a majority of victims’ family members, according to Bill Doyle, the representative of the largest 9/11 families group.
The letter focuses around the fact that no less than 60 per cent of the 9/11 commissioners have now publicly stated that the government agreed not to tell the truth about 9/11 and that the Pentagon was engaged in deliberate deception about their response to the attack.
Sheen also presents a plethora of other evidence to illustrate how the official story is a fraud, including the revelations of whistle blowers like FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, who recently broke a Federal gag order to expose how Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were working for the U.S. government right up until the day of 9/11.
The issues highlighted by Sheen do not represent idle speculation or conspiracy fodder, they are documented facts that have been deliberately ignored by other 9/11 programming that is now airing as the anniversary approaches, particularly last months’ 9/11: Science and Conspiracy which was aired by the National Geographic Channel and wasted little time in portraying people who have doubts about the official 9/11 story as extremist cranks, while failing to acknowledge that the majority of the members of the 9/11 Commission have publicly expressed similar concerns.
Charlie Sheen is once again using his prominent public platform in an attempt to expand a national debate about the disturbing unanswered questions behind 9/11, having first spoken out on the issue in March 2006 on The Alex Jones Show. After he first went public, Sheen was asked to do more and now he is doing more as he feels there is a chance to get more traction behind a new investigation with a new President in the White House.
Sheen is directly appealing to Barack Obama to read his letter and to look into the lies surrounding 9/11 for himself.
Regardless of whether or not President Obama agrees to meet with him, Sheen is confident that his letter will serve as a catalyst from which questions surrounding 9/11 and other false flag events will be brought to national attention.
This is a call to action and a declaration of war on the alleged lies of 9/11 that have formed the foundation of the endless wars abroad and the police state at home as the Republic falls. Sheen is demanding that truth activists and those who simply care about the future of the country stand up beside him and speak truth to power.
Sheen is now urging grass roots political organizations and individuals across the country to go to press conferences and other public events and demand answers about the truth behind 9/11. As much awareness as possible around the issue of false flag terrorism needs to be generated in order to prevent tragedies like 9/11 from happening again. Sheen emphasizes in his letter that we cannot let 9/11 become ancient history, try and forget about it or just move on, because if a nation forgets its history then it is doomed to repeat it.
We cannot allow governments to continue to advance their political agendas by exploiting forged pretexts, argues Sheen, and the fact that big budget hit pieces against 9/11 truth are still being rolled out proves that the establishment is upset that the population is waking up to false flag terror.
No matter what your views are on 9/11, Sheen is asking the thinking public to look at how many members of the 9/11 Commission itself have questioned the official story, along with the scores of other highly credible former and current government officials, intelligence professionals, military officials, scientists, structural engineers and architects, and legal scholars who have all publicly denounced the fraud that continues to masquerade as the official 9/11 story.
For media requests on this subject email sheen@infowars.com.
The Alex Jones Show broadcasts live from Austin, TX from 11 a.m. – 3 p.m. Central. Alex Jones’ show and Web sites www.Infowars.com and www.PrisonPlanet.com are a focal point and a forum where many prominent figures from academia, the political world and Hollywood have spoken out about what really happened on September 11th.

[orthodoxymoron]

Alex generally has good information and guests...but I don't like to program myself with anger. I'm already $crewed-up enough! I listened today for the first time in a couple of months...and I liked the Sheen concept...but did not like the hype. I tuned in half an hour before today's show...and heard a great interview with G. Edward Griffin. That is the sort of thing I really like.

I don't want to see our government destroyed over 9/11. I want the international...and possibly non-human...aspects of 9/11 to be fully exposed. Hell...I don't know what I want. I guess I would like the full truth to be revealed in a calm and rational manner...with everyone remaining cool, calm, and collected. Then I would like to see the REAL kingpins and guilty parties brought to justice...not some token-patsies getting their hands slapped.

[dagon]

I don't care who writes the whitehouse about 911. just as long as somebody does. Im outraged that some are quick to be critics. what are we doing besides sitting at a computer looking at it all go by without putting anything into it.

I called the whitehouse and left a message for obama today. before the show even was aired. letting him know what I think about this BS with 911 and the media. and his green job zar folding under the pressure. the thermalite material, building 7, ect we all need to stand up and send a letter to this man who clamed to be about change.



the white house #

1-202-456-1414
demand the truth. stand up for humanity. send those letters off during this anniversary of 911 I say. stop looking at alex and fox news, and start with yourselves.

I dont want wars, and the truth is a good place to start. enough of the lies. ww2 was just like 911. lies lies lies. tri them like you and me. treason. would be the best thing to happen to the good old USA> better yet...

:giljotiini:

then hold new elections to fill there spots. whos next...

[dagon]

land of the free and home of the brave my but.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

mr jones had his place in my waking up in the early stages and this sort of appraoch may have led me to beleive that most stories are hoaxes which they seem to0 increasingly be anyway.

i listen when im bored like anyone who listens to the radio whilst working ect, he can be entertaining but for anyone outside the usa his tone is too abrupt and loudmouthed. i have a friend who im trying to waken with info and she says 'oh i dont like that mad american guy'.

i dont consider him to be associated with the truth exclusivley as some like to. so its interesting to see what happens. good luck to him. you cant fight fire with fire tho.


reuters printing sheen saying he wants to get to the bottom of this and other flase flag events is quite interesting. since reuters is george soros owned is it not?? basically admittng that 9/11 was a flase flag!!

[swordsmith]

It was sheer STUPIDITY! ( thanks Kathy T)

God, the brilliance! It might actually work. People have been tackling this problem with FAR too much intelligence I reckon.

Personally I thought it was beyond retarded. Oh well, it looks like the shared excitement of the merry pranksters has got Alex shedding some blubber. That's got to be good.

[viking]

For goodness sake people WAKE UP!!!!

If this brings the whole 911 thing into the open and in eventuality the truth surfaces, and wakes up the masses!!!! (duuurgh is that good or bad????) It was a genius idea and with the back up of Mr Sheen lets hope we can take this further than anyone else has... I for one applaud Alex...:thumb_yello:

COME ON GUYS WE ALL KNOW THE TRUTH....LET'S WAKE UP A FEW MORE PEOPLE!!!!

DO YOUR FRIGGIN JOB!!!!

WATCH AND PASS AROUND...
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel

viking

[enemyofNWO]

I think that Alex Jones tries very hard to wake up the sleeping US public .
Refocusing on the 9/11 atrocity might convince more people that the US government stance on this matter is just rubbish .
On another note . In a couple of days it will be 9/11 again .
I urge you to be on alert for the follwing reasons :
1) remember the Peterson interview about Iran smuggling weapons and fake dollars into the US territory ? Is Iran set up to take the blame for some false flag on US territory ?
2) remember the timing of the interview with Dr Peterson ? (Delays .. )
3) Some alternative website news have been under DOS attack for the last few days .
4) The US dollars is losing ground against all currencies .
5) The dollar and silver price are going up , probably who controls those things has run out of gold an silver to throw on the market ...
6) The economic outlook is close to meltdown .
The strategy to be used would be the same as the one used in the Old West
at the gambling table ..... when you are loosing ... kick the table .....

It could be again "False Flag time " !

[Northern Boy]

It is False flag time go to forbes magazine `s site and read what they said about the dollar it has collapsed 1 eruo costs 1.45 US China Japan and Russia are all set to kick the can (America) they (puppet masters) want Global Goverance so they can restart their system then its start over time for their world currency

[Steve_A]

Hi pineal-pilot-in merkabah,

It seems that the people on ATS are not very happy (as I - see other thread) about this incident also:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread499451/pg1

This thread was reported on Rense.com. It seems that rense doesn't miss an opportunity to kick hard in the man twins when he gets the chance. :D

Best regards,

Steve




i listened to some of his stuff for a while and faded in and out of interest. he has his place to wake people up as they go through the awakening process.

when fox news are saing the same thing as him you have to smell a rat and i did. something didnt sit right with me with alex jones for about the last 8 months....

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

maybe he thinks SGHTF and they are gonna start messing with the internet so hes gone for broke. im still unconvinced of the method though.:nono:

[dagon]

maybe he thinks SGHTF and they are gonna start messing with the internet so hes gone for broke. im still unconvinced of the method though.:nono:

talk about messing with the net. I think you need to come out here to america. take a tour of NY. I personally would love to drag you threw the streets. show you ground zero. and a few other spots here in america. and tell you all about the many innocent that died that day. and remind you that its not even your country your spouting out about. alex isn't the most tactful most of the time. he's high energy that's for sure. he's not on my regular list. but he does have a place. as do you. even if it is a heckler. why don't you write a letter to the whitehouse instead of posting some lame response of somebody's else's work. positive work if you ask me. what can be more important. so is your issue alex? don't you have better things to do? I know I do. think ill join the 9-9-09 poster. way better than wasting my time complaining about some people (trying) to bring (treason) and the truth out about 911. how would you feel if england was mixed up in all this. it just might be. who are you anyway. spewing **** like this. its obvious that 911 wasn't what there telling it is. and now the whole middle east is being ripped apart. and who knows whos next. all based on lies. what weapons of mass destruction. haven't you seen camelot's interviews on this matter. as well as all the other information out there. who cares what you think about alex. look past you own opinions about alex and look at the bigger picture here. what have you dun. opinions are like @$$ holes. what's right here... that's what matters.

is this your work? bravo!!! tell somebody who cares. like the white house.
talk about dis information. and trying to derail and divert attn.

[mntruthseeker]

talk about messing with the net. I think you need to come out here to america. take a tour of NY. I personally would love to drag you threw the streets. show you ground zero. and a few other spots here in america. and tell you all about the many innocent that died that day. and remind you that its not even your country your spouting out about. alex isn't the most tactful most of the time. he's high energy that's for sure. he's not on my regular list. but he does have a place. as do you. even if it is a heckler. why don't you write a letter to the whitehouse instead of posting some lame response of somebody's else's work. positive work if you ask me. what can be more important. so is your issue alex? don't you have better things to do? I know I do. think ill join the 9-9-09 poster. way better than wasting my time complaining about some people (trying) to bring (treason) and the truth out about 911. how would you feel if england was mixed up in all this. it just might be. who are you anyway. spewing **** like this. its obvious that 911 wasn't what there telling it is. and now the whole middle east is being ripped apart. and who knows whos next. all based on lies. what weapons of mass destruction. haven't you seen camelot's interviews on this matter. as well as all the other information out there. who cares what you think about alex. look past you own opinions about alex and look at the bigger picture here. what have you dun. opinions are like @$$ holes. what's right here... that's what matters.

is this your work? bravo!!! tell somebody who cares. like the white house.
talk about dis information. and trying to derail and divert attn.

Thank you, I totaly agree with you. I'm sick of those that whine about this whole incident. I want the story to get any publicity it can get and get the people to read the letter. Thats all we need. READ THE LETTER, take note of the facts and open this up. The people are asking for a new investigation. What is up with that? Why not?

[mntruthseeker]

It is a PLOY TO TRY AND FORCE A NEW INVESTIGATION Charlie Sheen has some demons that are going to resurface over this . He and his dad both know this and want a new investigation . Alex looks at Charlie as way to take himself main stream If this Hollywood celebrity CAN HELP ALEX PULL THIS OFF ( I DON`T THINK iT WILL) aLEX WOULD BE LOOKED AT AS A GURU MANY OF THE COMMENTS ON THIS ARE CLOSED AT iNFO WARS . I suspect it hasn`t drawn the response Alex has intended and even may be negative due to the build up. Charlie doesn`t have to hang his head Alex and his twist on things caused this blow up



Alex had over a million people listening yesterday, he made an announcement over the air that he was going to close down the comments to avoid being overwhelmed and shut down with the traffice. He got the publicity he wanted

[Myplanet2]

talk about messing with the net. I think you need to come out here to america. take a tour of NY. I personally would love to drag you threw the streets. show you ground zero. and a few other spots here in america. and tell you all about the many innocent that died that day. and remind you that its not even your country your spouting out about. alex isn't the most tactful most of the time. he's high energy that's for sure. he's not on my regular list. but he does have a place. as do you. even if it is a heckler. why don't you write a letter to the whitehouse instead of posting some lame response of somebody's else's work. positive work if you ask me. what can be more important. so is your issue alex? don't you have better things to do? I know I do. think ill join the 9-9-09 poster. way better than wasting my time complaining about some people (trying) to bring (treason) and the truth out about 911. how would you feel if england was mixed up in all this. it just might be. who are you anyway. spewing **** like this. its obvious that 911 wasn't what there telling it is. and now the whole middle east is being ripped apart. and who knows whos next. all based on lies. what weapons of mass destruction. haven't you seen camelot's interviews on this matter. as well as all the other information out there. who cares what you think about alex. look past you own opinions about alex and look at the bigger picture here. what have you dun. opinions are like @$$ holes. what's right here... that's what matters.

is this your work? bravo!!! tell somebody who cares. like the white house.
talk about dis information. and trying to derail and divert attn.

Gesundheit:lmfao:

[Swanny]

:mf_swordfight:

He has got a few people here revved up so it must be doing something :original:

[mntruthseeker]

Swanny,

Yes I agree with you.....people that are putting it down are attracking more interest in the article. I hope they actually take the time to read it and who knows, maybe a few more will wake up. Thats what we need and seems to me thats a good thing.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

im not interested in the alex j0nes luvvies. i dont want to go round new york to see ground zero.im not here to get into a pissing contest with people that blindly follow anyone. his tactics of putting out fake info were dubious at best. alex has his place, but most people move past and on to other stuff. im not saying what he does has no value however.

using main stream media tactics and deception (even if only for 90mins) is not a good idea. it worked a bit and got 9/11 a bit more onto the main stream platform but he got his exposure which was all it was about.

i gaurantee he will have ****** alot of people off b y going about that the way he did. all it would have taken is to put the disclaimer straight on the article at the begining.

[Seashore]

This post is for the purpose of defending Alex Jones against his critics, who I've today discovered, by listening to the beginning of the September 11, 2009 archive for the Veritas Show (http://www.veritasshow.com/), includes Mel Fabregas.

Yeah, it was a stunt to hype what turned out to be a script written by Charlie Sheen, which had a disclaimer, at the end, not at the beginning.

Wow. Shame on Alex Jones. Yeah, I'm being sarcastic.

Perhaps Alex Jones and Charlie Sheen were trying to use a tactic in order to raise awareness about 9-11 truth, which is essential to waking up the public to the ongoing march to tyranny we all face, since the unconstitutional Patriot Act, etc., etc., have their justification based on the phony "war on terror," which began after the attacks of September 11, 2001. Perhaps they felt it necessary under the circumstances we the people are enmeshed in. I think making a big deal out of this is placing much too much importance on a minor infraction, in view of the enormous contribution Alex Jones has made, and continues to make, to the cause of freedom.

I thank God for Alex Jones.

[Stargazer1965]

This post is for the purpose of defending Alex Jones against his critics, who I've today discovered, by listening to the beginning of the September 11, 2009 archive for the Veritas Show (http://www.veritasshow.com/), includes Mel Fabregas.

Yeah, it was a stunt to hype what turned out to be a script written by Charlie Sheen, which had a disclaimer, at the end, not at the beginning.

Wow. Shame on Alex Jones. Yeah, I'm being sarcastic.

Perhaps Alex Jones and Charlie Sheen were trying to use a tactic in order to raise awareness about 9-11 truth, which is essential to waking up the public to the ongoing march to tyranny we all face, since the unconstitutional Patriot Act, etc., etc., have their justification based on the phony "war on terror," which began after the attacks of September 11, 2001. Perhaps they felt it necessary under the circumstances we the people are enmeshed in. I think making a big deal out of this is placing much too much importance on a minor infraction, in view of the enormous contribution Alex Jones has made, and continues to make, to the cause of freedom.

I thank God for Alex Jones.
Want to hear something REALLY sad....

I've actually laid out the evidence to folks and family and in the end...they agree with me....then I get the "SO WHAT"

Your government outwardly killed 3000 plus folks in front of your eyes!!!!

:mfr_omg:

SG is slapping the SLEEPERS!!!!

[Seashore]

Want to hear something REALLY sad....

I've actually laid out the evidence to folks and family and in the end...they agree with me....then I get the "SO WHAT"

Your government outwardly killed 300 plus folks in front of your eyes!!!!

:mfr_omg:

SG is slapping the SLEEPERS!!!!

You mean to say "3000" plus...

:mfr_omg: is right.

I admire you for having presented the evidence to people, though. :thumb_yello: Some good has to come from your efforts, it seems to me.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

nice bump, this reminds me that i didnt start off with alex jones in my basket of awakening infoirmation conduits. that stunt pretty much put me off listening to him. i listen to youtube interveiws with various people when its a good topic or person. lord munckton is a prime example.

[housemouse2]

Want to hear something REALLY sad....

I've actually laid out the evidence to folks and family and in the end...they agree with me....then I get the "SO WHAT"

Your government outwardly killed 3000 plus folks in front of your eyes!!!!

:mfr_omg:

SG is slapping the SLEEPERS!!!!

that's basically the reply I got. "As long as it doesn't affect me." My mother's very words.

I don't think it's a case of people being selfish. I think it's a case of being absolutely terrified. The realization that our own government killed thousands of people to justify 2 false wars is too horrific to comprehend and that is the only reply their minds can come up with.

My initial reaction upon the realization was of absolute horror and then anger. Most people are going just deny it. Much easier to go with the lesser of the 2 evils.

Their options are accept the truth which is terrifying to an extreme or deny it. When they can't set aside the truth and realize that you are dead serious the next part of that denial is to claim it doesn't affect them...even though it does.

The truth is too horrific for most to accept. I don't blame them, all their lives they have been brainwashed into thinking what TV and the media tells them. They do not know they are programmed what top think, what to buy, where to spend money. They just know they have little money left and are struggling to survive.

9/11 will remain a "terrorist" attack for the foreseeable future and even if the government were to come out and admit it...people would still deny it was the work of the government.

Part of the great awakening that is happening now is 9/11...but that cannot be the main focus. Even concentrating on the fed is too difficult for most people to comprehend. Trying to explain inflation and the disappearing middle class is difficult. The audience isn't up to date with terms, policies,ect.

Our audience is more concerned with Tiger Wood, Micheal Jackson, latest idols and Hollywood films. They can comprehend Hollywood and even realize it's junk news.

I find the best way to combat 9/11 is to inform people about Islam and stop the BS about extremist. Tell them Islam believes in Christ and most Islamic are not terrorist. that the 50 virgins upon death was propaganda, that Al Queda is slang for going to the toilet and merely hint that it's not a good self respecting terrorist name.

I have gotten much further by defacing the fear of Muslim extremist than by making people fearful of our own government. We cannot bring truth to people through fear. It has to be through empowerment.

[Seashore]

that's basically the reply I got. "As long as it doesn't affect me." My mother's very words.

I don't think it's a case of people being selfish. I think it's a case of being absolutely terrified. The realization that our own government killed thousands of people to justify 2 false wars is too horrific to comprehend and that is the only reply their minds can come up with.

My initial reaction upon the realization was of absolute horror and then anger. Most people are going just deny it. Much easier to go with the lesser of the 2 evils.

Their options are accept the truth which is terrifying to an extreme or deny it. When they can't set aside the truth and realize that you are dead serious the next part of that denial is to claim it doesn't affect them...even though it does.

The truth is too horrific for most to accept. I don't blame them, all their lives they have been brainwashed into thinking what TV and the media tells them. They do not know they are programmed what top think, what to buy, where to spend money. They just know they have little money left and are struggling to survive.

9/11 will remain a "terrorist" attack for the foreseeable future and even if the government were to come out and admit it...people would still deny it was the work of the government.

Part of the great awakening that is happening now is 9/11...but that cannot be the main focus. Even concentrating on the fed is too difficult for most people to comprehend. Trying to explain inflation and the disappearing middle class is difficult. The audience isn't up to date with terms, policies,ect.

Our audience is more concerned with Tiger Wood, Micheal Jackson, latest idols and Hollywood films. They can comprehend Hollywood and even realize it's junk news.

I find the best way to combat 9/11 is to inform people about Islam and stop the BS about extremist. Tell them Islam believes in Christ and most Islamic are not terrorist. that the 50 virgins upon death was propaganda, that Al Queda is slang for going to the toilet and merely hint that it's not a good self respecting terrorist name.

I have gotten much further by defacing the fear of Muslim extremist than by making people fearful of our own government. We cannot bring truth to people through fear. It has to be through empowerment.

housemouse2,

You've given me a lot to think about.

Thank you.

[Stargazer1965]

that's basically the reply I got. "As long as it doesn't affect me." My mother's very words.

I don't think it's a case of people being selfish. I think it's a case of being absolutely terrified. The realization that our own government killed thousands of people to justify 2 false wars is too horrific to comprehend and that is the only reply their minds can come up with.

My initial reaction upon the realization was of absolute horror and then anger. Most people are going just deny it. Much easier to go with the lesser of the 2 evils.

Their options are accept the truth which is terrifying to an extreme or deny it. When they can't set aside the truth and realize that you are dead serious the next part of that denial is to claim it doesn't affect them...even though it does.

The truth is too horrific for most to accept. I don't blame them, all their lives they have been brainwashed into thinking what TV and the media tells them. They do not know they are programmed what top think, what to buy, where to spend money. They just know they have little money left and are struggling to survive.

9/11 will remain a "terrorist" attack for the foreseeable future and even if the government were to come out and admit it...people would still deny it was the work of the government.

Part of the great awakening that is happening now is 9/11...but that cannot be the main focus. Even concentrating on the fed is too difficult for most people to comprehend. Trying to explain inflation and the disappearing middle class is difficult. The audience isn't up to date with terms, policies,ect.

Our audience is more concerned with Tiger Wood, Micheal Jackson, latest idols and Hollywood films. They can comprehend Hollywood and even realize it's junk news.

I find the best way to combat 9/11 is to inform people about Islam and stop the BS about extremist. Tell them Islam believes in Christ and most Islamic are not terrorist. that the 50 virgins upon death was propaganda, that Al Queda is slang for going to the toilet and merely hint that it's not a good self respecting terrorist name.

I have gotten much further by defacing the fear of Muslim extremist than by making people fearful of our own government. We cannot bring truth to people through fear. It has to be through empowerment.

Great post HM2!!

I agree....the PTB play on differences that are not even present.

The only terrorists I know wear business suits

[Seashore]

I've started a new thread: "Ideas for Dealing with the Reality of 9-11." (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=207809#post207809)

[Kulapops]

SG is slapping the SLEEPERS!!!!

And I say that's better than sleeping with the Slappers !

Yes, I agree with you all that it's about awareness. But also aware that we can't do much, because even the 'facts' that are uncovered may not be true. And just because some fact is sensational doesn't make it real.

E.g. - Michael Jackson was offed by the CIA. Spinning pyramids over the Kremlin ? UFO chased by F11s ??

MJ is a good case in point, how many people scoffed at or were taken in by the 'fact' that he slept in an oxygen tent, or all the other crazy things. We can laugh about the crazy stories in the press and then get taken in and led by the nose just because some 'fact' is has come from alternative-conspiracy press.

For another example, I heard somewhere else that Al Quida meant 'The Database' . Does that mean then that both facts are true (as well as 'going to the toilet' posted above) or is one of them incorrect, and if so, which one? I have no way of knowing, because I only read my fact somewhere, or saw it on a video (probably the 9-11 loose change one I think).

So where does that bring us? Awareness is important, and something other is probably going on, but it's probably more important in my view to be real to everyone and patient and love those we awaken, rather than worry about the nitty gritty, it may be true, it may not, it may never be proven (Lady Di murdered? Who knows ??)

By affecting those around us, we affect the world.

Peace n love,

K

[Stargazer1965]

And I say that's better than sleeping with the Slappers !

Yes, I agree with you all that it's about awareness. But also aware that we can't do much, because even the 'facts' that are uncovered may not be true. And just because some fact is sensational doesn't make it real.

E.g. - Michael Jackson was offed by the CIA. Spinning pyramids over the Kremlin ? UFO chased by F11s ??

MJ is a good case in point, how many people scoffed at or were taken in by the 'fact' that he slept in an oxygen tent, or all the other crazy things. We can laugh about the crazy stories in the press and then get taken in and led by the nose just because some 'fact' is has come from alternative-conspiracy press.

For another example, I heard somewhere else that Al Quida meant 'The Database' . Does that mean then that both facts are true (as well as 'going to the toilet' posted above) or is one of them incorrect, and if so, which one? I have no way of knowing, because I only read my fact somewhere, or saw it on a video (probably the 9-11 loose change one I think).

So where does that bring us? Awareness is important, and something other is probably going on, but it's probably more important in my view to be real to everyone and patient and love those we awaken, rather than worry about the nitty gritty, it may be true, it may not, it may never be proven (Lady Di murdered? Who knows ??)

By affecting those around us, we affect the world.

Peace n love,

K
Hey KP...

The "reality" that passes my gut check seems to be much weirder than any conspiracy theory.

I can't figure out how my brain is so susceptible to images....it see something and transfers it into my reality.

It's like we used to "see" a lot more (other spectrum s) and we were fed much more info than the very limited sight we have now.

It's much easier to "trick" our minds into believing.

I don't watch TV and haven't for over 10 years....but when I'm stuck in a room with an ON set...my eyes drift toward it.

REALLY weird.

[manticore]

This post is for the purpose of defending Alex Jones against his critics, who I've today discovered, by listening to the beginning of the September 11, 2009 archive for the Veritas Show (http://www.veritasshow.com/), includes Mel Fabregas.

Yeah, it was a stunt to hype what turned out to be a script written by Charlie Sheen, which had a disclaimer, at the end, not at the beginning.

Wow. Shame on Alex Jones. Yeah, I'm being sarcastic.

Perhaps Alex Jones and Charlie Sheen were trying to use a tactic in order to raise awareness about 9-11 truth, which is essential to waking up the public to the ongoing march to tyranny we all face, since the unconstitutional Patriot Act, etc., etc., have their justification based on the phony "war on terror," which began after the attacks of September 11, 2001. Perhaps they felt it necessary under the circumstances we the people are enmeshed in. I think making a big deal out of this is placing much too much importance on a minor infraction, in view of the enormous contribution Alex Jones has made, and continues to make, to the cause of freedom.

I thank God for Alex Jones.

Hello Seashore,

Let me address your comments and your interpretation of what I said during my Sep 11 show, in which I mentioned Alex Jones.

Alex Jones has said on multiple occasions that the late William Cooper was expelled from his show because he became belligerent and used profanity. When I heard that, I took it upon myself to find the one and only interview Alex Jones conducted with Bill Cooper and Cooper could not have been more polite and professional. I know Bill was not perfect, but he told the truth. As a matter of principle, I aired that interview and even aired Bill Cooper's reaction, as it relates to Alex Jones' comments. Since Bill is no longer with us, I deemed it appropriate to air this reaction.

That is my one and only problem. Alex claims he warned us about 9/11 first. Not true. Bill Cooper said it first. Could it be competition, jealousy, etc, just like with Peter Joseph? Perhaps. If anyone has any doubts, I encourage you to listen to the Sep 11 show (with A.C. Griffith) and judge for yourself. Yes, I was very disappointed. I respect everyone's opinion and know many were upset that I took a stand. So what? When someone is not around to defend him/herself, I will take a stand and will allow their voice to be heard.

Why would Alex Jones say Bill Cooper was kicked off the show when that is not true? All you need to do is Google Alex Jones / Bill Cooper interview and you will find out. If you can't, listen to my show and you will hear it for yourself. Sorry some take this as if I'm attacking Alex Jones. It is not an attack. Since when is it an attack to show factual evidence? If anyone has an opportunity to ask Alex Jones a question, please ask why he continues to perpetuate the lie about Bill Cooper being kicked off his show?

I just wanted to clear any confusion anyone may have after reading your remarks. It was not an attack and I am not a critic. I was just setting the record straight by airing their interview so that people could hear if Mr. Cooper was expelled from the show or not. If you consider stating the facts and contradicting what Alex Jones has said an attack on my part, then let's agree to disagree.

I appreciate that you listened to the show. We're searching for the same truth.

Cheers,

Mel

[orthodoxymoron]

In the Jones - Cooper interview which I listened to some time ago...Cooper was polite...but he was a bit annoyed with Jones. On other occasions...Cooper was critical of Jones regarding not checking out stories...and regarding being alarmist and inflammatory. I tend to think that both Cooper and Jones were so far down the rabbit-hole...that they both might have been a bit irritable...and they might have gotten on each other's nerves. Just a thought.

:original:Namaste:original:

[manticore]

I agree with that statement orthodoxymoron. That's why I said that Bill was not perfect. He had plenty of flaws. In the latter years, he drank too much and did become belligerent at times. However, during the interview with A.J., he did not display any of that. That is the point I wanted to make, which was misconstrued and was not an attack.

Cheers,

Mel

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

the fact remains that mr jones deliberately mislead people on an important topic, when he claims to be a bastion of truth is disappointing. oh btw mel i will be subscribing to veritas in the new year. along with red ice radio.. happy holidays mel :)

[Barron]

For some very interesting news stories re Alex Jones perhaps readers keen to explore further could do well to read the articles here:
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=413
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=387
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=465

[manticore]

the fact remains that mr jones deliberately mislead people on an important topic, when he claims to be a bastion of truth is disappointing. oh btw mel i will be subscribing to veritas in the new year. along with red ice radio.. happy holidays mel :)
That's right Pineal. Thanks for joining!

All the best,

Mel

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

not one to remain on the jones subject for too long, but there seems to be a lack of articles regarding the darling of the 9/11 truth movements charlie sheen. mr jones needs to sharpen up and take a look at his operation. directly of indirectly his sources are feeding him a ton of disinfo.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

alex jones opened my pineal gland...it's a long story.



ouch:nono:



:lmfao:

[Céline]

the Sheene family is under "attack"

His recent arrest for domestic violence (dec 25th) is just the beginning of a lot of trouble for that family...sigh...warm loving thoughts to them...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2009/12/29/VI2009122900901.html

[Barron]

Hi. What do you mean by "under attack"? Is he being set up on false charges to A) discredit him and B) try and stop him from speaking out on thngs like 911?

[waitinginthewings]

Hi. What do you mean by "under attack"? Is he being set up on false charges to A) discredit him and B) try and stop him from speaking out on thngs like 911?

Hi Barron: Exactly thats what I believe. Sure Charlie has some issues, who doesn't among us humans? But I believe he has a good heart & some insights & is trying to make a difference in the world. Unfortunately, tptb are opportunists who see an opportunity to use his weakness against him and discredit him, thereby destroying his good efforts.

This is just one of many patterns tptb exhibit.

[Humble Janitor]

Sheen will never be innocent.

Sorry. No love for yet another celebrity taking people along for a ride along with his buddy, AJ.

[Barron]

William Cooper Exposes Scaremonger Jesuit – CIA Alex Jones !!!!

Lots of info contained at this link:
http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/01/10/william-cooper-exposes-scaremonger-jesuit-cia-alex-jones/

[Roman195]

I have been a reader and listener to Alex Jones for years. I first heard him back In the late 90's on the Coast to Coast Show. He is a honest man in my opinion and a True Patriot. You CIA operatives can slam him all you want, in your childish ways. You can use CIA information and sites against him all you want, but it don't change the fact that this man is waking people up at a tremendous rate. I've renewed my oath on Oath Keepers and will stand by AJ till the end, I'm going down with the ship just like he is, we both love this country and are very angry at what's been happening to it. So put that in your pipe and smoke it, CIA Ops!:mad3:

[Barron]

I don’t know for sure myself either way – but think it important to consider all interpretations – from as wide an array of sources as possible.

Alex has shared a huge amount of useful information – no doubt – and what people talk about is sometimes as interesting as what they continuously fail to mention.

Just have an open mind IMOHO – because nobody knows everything.

And no-one ever will.