"you lie"

[Unified Serenity]

The words came out before his filter took effect. Rep. Joe Wilson is my hero today! Last night when Obama lied to the Congress and the American people one Republican Representative spoke what those who see truth have been protesting about for months.

Not only will the new health care scheme pay for illegals who contribute nothing, those in power voted down an amendment that would specifically deny them access.

Rep. Wilson's opponent has raised over $60,000.00 since this outburst! Oh, the ptw want him gone. I just visited Rep. Wilson's congressional website and it is down supposedly for maintenance. If you feel as I do that this sort of honesty needs to be shouted no matter the venue, find a way to support him in letters to him, blogs, and financially if possible! Send him a money bomb and say, "I'm with you, and Thanks."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxHKSHvMRWE

http://blastmagazine.com/the-magazine/technology/2009/09/rep-joe-wilson-the-first-politican-axed-by-twitter/

What is worse, the President lying to the people or the person who accuses him of lying.

[Unified Serenity]

I found a backdoor way to reply to Rep. Wilson:

http://www.house.gov/formwilson/IMA/issue.htm

His front page to the site may be down, but this works! Here is what I said to him:

Honorable Representative Wilson,

Don't back down! You have no idea the millions of us without voices in all the states who cheered when you said the truth. Your two words, "YOU LIE" during President Obama's speech were needed, and you have many friends. I have posted on my favorite forum about what happened, how your opponent has been given a money boost, and we need to do the same for you! I do believe a money bomb is in order for you sir no matter what state we reside.

I want to see men and women with a backbone representing us. I want real patriots who won't bow down to the system. Please Mr. Wilson, no more apologies. No more shying away from truth. We are proud of you, and we love you!

God bless you and you staff!

(I have not investigated his major votes, but I don't feel a neocon would have done this)

[Northern Boy]

Good work Unified Serenity too bad that people from out of the country can`t respond its good to know other people in other countries are watching this too . Others with universal health care that know a scam when they see one. Perhaps some one could send him a note letting him know this

[mntruthseeker]

I couldn't get myself to listen to him last night or on the net any video of this "best of the best of the liars"

I pray so hard that people do not listen to his words and go with their heart and love for all people.

my husband turned the tv on and I heard him mock the death panel and I lost it. There is no way I care to hear anything that comes out of the white house ever again. I can tell you what I think they should do with it but I imagine I would be arrested.

I'm so proud of you Representative Wilson. A true hero that dared to speak the truth. Thank you from the bottom of my heart

I will try to send my message later as the site has been shut down due to high traffic

[mntruthseeker]

I decided to go take a look at my subscriptions on my you tube site and one of the videos sent me ( I'm kicking myself hard now) regarding The Blackeyed Peas called LIE has already been deleted.

I can't help but connect it LOL

I need to hear the words


It says its not available in my country. now its not the video You lied its called LIE

anybody able to get this song in their country ?

[Malynda]

I can get Blackeyed Peas - Don't Lie but nothing comes up for just Lie.

[mntruthseeker]

wow that is really something.

I never seen anything come across regarding "in my country" before

this is really a puzzle

[Karen]

my husband turned the tv on and I heard him mock the death panel and I lost it. There is no way I care to hear anything that comes out of the white house ever again. I can tell you what I think they should do with it but I imagine I would be arrested.

Mock the death panel? Death panel? Apparently I've been ignoring this circus.

I don't want the kind of health care these liars have to offer anyway.

I want REAL wellness care! Did you know almost all mental and physical illness can be cured with nutrients??? Sometimes there is a genetic or trauma-based need for high amounts of a nutrient/s. Keep your dammed toxins, GMOs, and PHARMAceuticals out of MY body! Give me real food grown in mineral rich soil, clean water, clear skies, and turn off your dammed psychotronics and weather modification and earthquake machines!

Keep your sickness insured plans and while you're at it get off this planet!

http://alternativementalhealth.com

[mntruthseeker]

mock the death panel? Death panel? Apparently i've been ignoring this circus.

I don't want the kind of health care these liars have to offer anyway.

I want real wellness care! Did you know almost all mental and physical illness can be cured with nutrients??? Sometimes there is a genetic or trauma-based need for high amounts of a nutrient/s. Keep your dammed toxins, gmos, and pharmaceuticals out of my body! Give me real food grown in mineral rich soil, clean water, clear skies, and turn off your dammed psychotronics and weather modification and earthquake machines!

Keep your sickness insured plans and while you're at it get off this planet!

http://alternativementalhealth.com


i absolutely agree with you 100 per cent

[Northern Boy]

mntruthseekerI can't help but connect it LOL

I need to hear the words


It says its not available in my country. now its not the video You lied its called LIE

anybody able to get this song in their country ?

Black Eyed Peas Don`t Lie

[WILL]
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry
Hey, baby my nose is getting big
I noticed it be growing when I been telling them fibs
Now you say your trust's getting weaker
Probably coz my lies just started getting deeper
And the reason for my confession is that I learn my lesson
And I really think you ought to know the truth
Because I lied and I cheated and I lied a little more
But after I did it I don't know what I did it for
I admit that I have been a little immature
****ing with your heart like I was the predator
In my book of lies I was the editor
And the author
I forged my signature
And now I apologise for what I did to you
Cos what you did to me I did to you

[FERGIE]
No,no, no, no baby, no, no, no, no don't lie
No, no, no, no, yeah, you know, know, know, know, you gotta try
What you gonna do when it all comes out
When I really see you & what you're all about

No, no, no baby, no, no, no, no don't lie
Yeah, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you gotta try

[APL]
She said I'm leaving
Cos she can't take the pain
It's hard to continue this love it ain't the same
Can't forget the things that I've done inside her brain
Too many lies committed too many games
She feeling like a fool getting on the last train
Trying to maintain but the feeling won't change
I'm sorry for the things that I've done and what I became
Caught up in living my life in the fast lane
Blinded by lights, cameras, you know the fame
I don't know the reason why I did these things

[APL and FERGIE]
And I lie and I lie and I lie and I lie
And now our emotions are drained
Cos I lie and I lie and a little lie lie
And now your emotions are drained

[FERGIE]
No, no, no, no baby, no, no, no, no don't lie (no, don't you lie)
No, no, no, no, yeah, you know, know, know, know, you gotta try (got to try, got to try)
What you gonna do when it all comes out (what you gonna do baby)
When I really see you & what you're all about
Nonono babe, no, no, no, no don't lie
Because you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, gotta try

Ooh ooh ooh, ooh ooh ooh ooh
Ba da ba da ba da ba da badabada

[TABOO]
Yo, I'm lying to my girl
Even though I love her
And she all in my world
I give her all my attention and diamonds & pearls
She's the one who makes me feel on top of the world
Still I lie to my girl, I do it

[APL and FERGIE]
And I lie and I lie and I lie till there's no turning back
I don't know why, (and I lie and I lie till I don't know who I am)

[mntruthseeker]

oh poop my imaginatin ran wild LOL

Thanks NB

[Christo888]

Mock the death panel? Death panel? Apparently I've been ignoring this circus.

I don't want the kind of health care these liars have to offer anyway.

I want REAL wellness care! Did you know almost all mental and physical illness can be cured with nutrients??? Sometimes there is a genetic or trauma-based need for high amounts of a nutrient/s. Keep your dammed toxins, GMOs, and PHARMAceuticals out of MY body! Give me real food grown in mineral rich soil, clean water, clear skies, and turn off your dammed psychotronics and weather modification and earthquake machines!

Keep your sickness insured plans and while you're at it get off this planet!



http://alternativementalhealth.com


:thumb_yello:

Just wanted to make this really clear!!!! :lol3:

How's that? :original:

[mntruthseeker]

:thumb_yello:

Just wanted to make this really clear!!!! :lol3:





:thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yell o:

[Karen]

Dern Christos888, That is almost invisible to me. The yellow and lighter colors like aqua do not show up well in the "minty" skin that is so much cooler on the eyes than the white on dark blue, "Avalon Electric".

Button is on the bottom right if anyone wants to check it out.

Red and orange show up fairly well. Purple is better on minty than electric.

Default color puts dark green on an ever so light mint green, and white on the electric.

[TheObserver]

The four/five proposed bills:

http://johnconyers.com/hr676text

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:

http://pnhp.org/PDF_files/American-Health-Security-Act-single-payer.pdf

http://help.senate.gov/Maj_press/2009_07_15_b.pdf (this PDF is a summary) "This bill is 617 pages long (790 with amendments) and is available on the committee website." (Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee)

Senate Finance Committee Bill (Max Baucus and his Gang of Six Bill)
"Who knows how long this bill will be, or even if they will finish it."

i found these links and info here: http://iflizwerequeen.com/?p=3660

i hope this info will encourage a more enlightened debate


google is your friend:winksmiley02:

[mntruthseeker]

It really is enlightening to see that they are working on other options.

I glanced at what you showed and it actually was pretty decent for all.

Thanks for adding this

[TheObserver]

:welcomeani:

[TheObserver]

Yes i want to debate facts instead of arguing rumors :original:

[246]

Actually, Universal Health care is a good thing. I live in Canada, and though I suffer in some ways, one thing that Canada does get right is FREE universal health care. I never have to pay a cent for any doctor's visists, surgery, hospital stays, nothing. I can go to the doctor for the slightest little cold if I want and it's free. I bet I dont wait any longer than anyone in the U.S. And if I did have to wait an extra hour, I would be gladly willing to because it's free!

The government and corporations make vast sums of money and they can easily afford this. It's true that in Canada we are taxed a little more, but it's worth it! Everyone I know in Canada agrees with me. The only ones who dont are the health insurance lobbyists that want to oppose it. Those are the people that get all the press.

The U.S. has the most expensive health care system in the World. Although I'm not a communist, even Cuba has a better health care system than the U.S. They have a better health care system than Canada. In Canada you still have to pay an arm and a leg for medication. In Cuba, the prices are 1% of what they are here for meds. In England, you only pay 6 pounds for any prescription med. Any medication. Whether it's Aspirin or AIDS meds (which I am told cost thousands per month in North America).

I think the people on this thread have been manipulated by the U.S. media to reject universal health care, not knowing how good it would be for them.

[mntruthseeker]

Actually, Universal Health care is a good thing. I live in Canada, and though I suffer in some ways, one thing that Canada does get right is FREE universal health care. I never have to pay a cent for any doctor's visists, surgery, hospital stays, nothing. I can go to the doctor for the slightest little cold if I want and it's free. I bet I dont wait any longer than anyone in the U.S. And if I did have to wait an extra hour, I would be gladly willing to because it's free!

The government and corporations make vast sums of money and they can easily afford this. It's true that in Canada we are taxed a little more, but it's worth it! Everyone I know in Canada agrees with me. The only ones who dont are the health insurance lobbyists that want to oppose it. Those are the people that get all the press.

The U.S. has the most expensive health care system in the World. Although I'm not a communist, even Cuba has a better health care system than the U.S. They have a better health care system than Canada. In Canada you still have to pay an arm and a leg for medication. In Cuba, the prices are 1% of what they are here for meds. In England, you only pay 6 pounds for any prescription med. Any medication. Whether it's Aspirin or AIDS meds (which I am told cost thousands per month in North America).

I think the people on this thread have been manipulated by the U.S. media to reject universal health care, not knowing how good it would be for them.

Come back after you read this bill and tell me this. It is NOT a good thing and it never will be

We wouldn't need their medication if they would just stop putting all the poison in our food and skies and the fake medication they feed us now.

Aids- man made H1N1-man made. our drugs do nothing to cure or heal any of us...........it is adding to the problem, in fact it causes the problems.

Please read up what is in the bill and truly understand what this is about.

[TheObserver]

Originally Posted by Karen
Mock the death panel? Death panel? Apparently I've been ignoring this circus.


Yes, end of life counseling ie writing a living-will was twisted into "death panels" by some reform opponents.

[Unified Serenity]

Originally Posted by Karen
Mock the death panel? Death panel? Apparently I've been ignoring this circus.


Yes, end of life counseling ie writing a living-will was twisted into "death panels" by some reform opponents.

"Trust me, I'm from the government and I'm here to help you!"

[mntruthseeker]

"Trust me, I'm from the government and I'm here to help you!"

OH LOL and I'm going to give you my undevided pledge to worship you and trust you

[TheObserver]

Well if that is true (death panels) that means that people should write their own living-wills either by themselves or with a lawyer or paralegal.

[Unified Serenity]

Sure they should, and it's not hard to do. They should also write out wills which the forms to do so can be obtained freely. Just get it notorized. Most people put off doing so out of laziness and/or an inner fear of inviting death if they actually fill out a will.

I used to give out living will kits and will kits to my customers and very few ever took the time to fill them out.

That all being the case, none of this precludes the government from encouraging a path of death instead of life. Other countries have offed the needless eaters in the past, but oh, my government is above such evil isn't it? America would never take life needlessly or for profit would it?

[TheObserver]

And think about your own wishes as well about organ/tissue donation. These are important facts of life. And when your brain is dead either solo or along with your body you can't communicate your wishes. So planning ahead is well advised. DIY with a notary and checking off the form on the back of your drivers license sounds pretty easy to me.

[Unified Serenity]

One of the most hideous lies perpetrated under "Planning".

http://vodpod.com/watch/2095139-maafa-21-black-genocide-in-21st-century-america-modern-racism-full-2-hour-documentary

Maafa 21

[mntruthseeker]

You know he sits up trying to be "smug" and says death panel like it's a dirty word...... Ok so thats the name we gave it

Of course we always had "living wills" but it was our decision not left up to a dr to decide if we are "worth" saving. Yes, thats in the bill and it also in it that if a doctor doesn't follow these guidelines....they will be fined.

So all you people that are saying this is good, need to go to your homework. And if it pass, I pray that your child or parent is not judged by this ruling.

We already have dr's playing god by doing live birth abortions such as ones Obama and Mischelle agree with. Shame on them for playing with our children.

[TheObserver]

Well here's some very interesting surveys on this subject

http://people-press.org/report/266/strong-public-support-for-right-to-die

i always thought the "don't pull the plug on grandma" stuff was silly when

grandma WANTS it pulled the most!!

[Antonia]

i really don't get all the hysteria? But I live in ireland wer we have public health care... If you want to pay and have private thats your choice and if you want public health care for for free, then you can. Our public health care system is flawed and mis managed and there is always problems with funding going to the right places... BUT... at least if your sick or arive in ER of a hospital you get seen and fixed for free if you have no private health insuance... I'd rather have a public health care system that was flawed then none at all??
And I've been asking about these supposed Death Boards you are all concerned about in the USA and I was told that the person has the right to sign a form asking not to be resusuitated if they are cronic and terminal and going to die anay way and don't want to drag on in pain if the have a cardiac arrest etc... if this is true I would gladley sign such a form if I was in that position.... Can any one explain to me if you are going to have the right to still have private health insurance as well as public??? In the USA?
I saw the film Sicko by Micheal Moor and I cried my eyes out at it ... if this is any way true then surely you Americans have the worst system going.. Private health care who wont pay out ...and have currupt people actually making millions to deny private insurance paying people their health costs when they apply.... as well as poor people who can'r afford to pay hospitals going untreated or facing bankrupsy after being treated and presented massive bills?
How can any thing be worse then the way America's health care was???

[Unified Serenity]

First off, hospitals at legally not allowed to not treat an ill person due to lack of money. So, the idea that people are going to die who don't have insurance is not true. There is a problem with costs and dealing with what is fair, tort reform, and unnecessary defensive medicine.

I watched Moore's film and yes I cried as well, but I also realized there was a lot of disinformation in the movie. Of course Cuba was going to help these poor uncared for Americans. Why didn't Moore get footage from Cuban's using the system? Many come to America from around the world who have the "great socialized" medicine in their country. They come here because the waits are too long in their country. The service is rationed. Many die waiting for an operation or suffer so much waiting.

This is a complex problem, and the government is not the one to fix it by taking it over. Just look at how well they've managed the VA hospitals, medicare and medicaid. Hell, they couldn't even manage cash for clunkers!

We need a catastrophic program, ability to buy insurance across state borders, and people without insurance need to be given the same price as those with insurance. That is a huge part of the problem. The funny thing is that it's not the doctors who are raping the people financially, but the hospital services and collection offices. There is a way to make them reduce there bills usually. You have to know the language:

http://www.hospitalvictims.com

i really don't get all the hysteria? But I live in ireland wer we have public health care... If you want to pay and have private thats your choice and if you want public health care for for free, then you can. Our public health care system is flawed and mis managed and there is always problems with funding going to the right places... BUT... at least if your sick or arive in ER of a hospital you get seen and fixed for free if you have no private health insuance... I'd rather have a public health care system that was flawed then none at all??
And I've been asking about these supposed Death Boards you are all concerned about in the USA and I was told that the person has the right to sign a form asking not to be resusuitated if they are cronic and terminal and going to die anay way and don't want to drag on in pain if the have a cardiac arrest etc... if this is true I would gladley sign such a form if I was in that position.... Can any one explain to me if you are going to have the right to still have private health insurance as well as public??? In the USA?
I saw the film Sicko by Micheal Moor and I cried my eyes out at it ... if this is any way true then surely you Americans have the worst system going.. Private health care who wont pay out ...and have currupt people actually making millions to deny private insurance paying people their health costs when they apply.... as well as poor people who can'r afford to pay hospitals going untreated or facing bankrupsy after being treated and presented massive bills?
How can any thing be worse then the way America's health care was???

[Antonia]

Thanks Unifiied Serenity... You explain it clearly..and I read some more since then... It seems such a shame that Obama can't get this right. I guess by trying to involve the private health care companies he was trying to give them all a chance to actually do what they are supposed to do as in the concept at their inception? But off course was up against such a collosal corrupt profit making system, it was always going to get the better of him and try to take him down... Is public health care now totally off the cards?
Is there a viable solution atall???

[Unified Serenity]

Hi Antonia,

You have to remember that Insurance companies have always reinvested their profits. In life insurance, they have to keep 65% of their money liquid in order to pay off claims. I worked for a subsidiary of AIG until February called American General Life and Accident which was bought in 2000 by AIG. It was the biggest and felt to be unable to bought, but AIG did buy it.

I think it was 2000 when the glass stegal act was changed. The banksters and investment agencies worked very hard to change the laws in order to trade in foreign markets derivatives and that is what has made the stock market be ruined for the average investor. I think they planned this collapse and planned to use the derivatives, but now it appears their plans have gone awry for them as China and others are telling them those derivatives are useless and illegal.

I don't think they are illegal, but they were immoral and the media certainly did nothing to inform us of how the game was being played. The big media that most people turned to knew what was going on and they said nothing. The big media gets copies of the CAFR's and know all about the lies in budgets told to the taxpayers.

As for how to fix the healthcare problem, yes there are ways to fix it.

1. Tort Reform (would stop wasteful defensive medicine and lower doctors malpractice insurance costs)
2. Up Front Fees for service (would bring back competition)
3. One fee schedule for everyone
4. Competitive bidding on drugs in government programs paid for by taxpayers.
5. Catastrophic Insurance paid by every American over 18 at say $100.00 to $200.00 per year that would cover any Hospital bill greater than $30,000.00. 98.8% of all Hospital stays are less than that amount.

6. Those wishing for a plan to cover the issues that fall outside of #5 can buy a small plan that will cover doctor visits and the smaller problems. Those plans range from $75 to $200.00 per month depending on how much you want in the plan. Some are just for surgeries and varied from $50,000.00 to $100,000.00 per incident when I sold them. Yes, there were some increases for weight, diseases as those individuals were a higher risk. There were a few things that would disqualify someone such as type 1 diabetes or a pituitary issue. I think a State run health plan for individuals who fall into the small catagory of being disqualified and I really don't have a problem with that being part of the catastrophic coverage.

7. If you have insurance you should be able to switch plans or increase coverage without going through qualifications. This would encourage people to have some insurance no matter how young and healthy they are. This would deal with getting people to use preventative care and catch things early rather than not having insurance, ignoring a problem and then having a health emergency that costs thousands more to deal with.

The fact is that right now in America if you go to the hospital without some form of insurance, you will be charged 3 to 5 times more than someone with insurance unless you work out a deal ahead of time. I sold insurance plans a low as $25.00 per month that covered a little bit for surgery. Many used these plans to cover their deductibles, but the really big thing was just having that card kept you from getting overcharged.

Health savings accounts are an option, and it would encourage people to shop and bring down costs via competition.

I was always amazed at people who wanted the Cadillac insurance and were paying $600.00 a month for it and yet maybe went to the doctor 1 or 2 times a year. They had the nerve to tell me, "But I don't have to pay to see the doctor on this plan!" I would then inform them, you are paying over $600.00 dollars a month for the priviledge of not paying a doctor $200.00 for an office visit twice a year! What would you rather have, a plan that covers emergencies that costs you $1,500.00 a year or your plan which you say you can't afford that costs you over $7,000.00 a year? You are paying $5,500.00 more a year in order to save $400.00 in doctors visits!

I don't have all the answers, but from my experience, I think these options would help.