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tone3jaguar

09-13-2009, 02:56 PM

For those of you who may not be familiar with what CSETI is, it is Steven Greer's Center for the Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence. If you have not seen the infamous presentation he gave about this in Barcelona at the Exopolitics Conference then you should. I say infamous because of the controversy that Kerry stirred up because she did not agree with Greer's philosophy. That is not what this thread is about though. There are other threads that beat that dead horse into a pile of meat, so please keep it on topic.

I went with the intention to only see a UFO, and left with the knowledge of a lifetime for the proper protocols for making contact with extra terrestrial craft. I must agree with Steven that so far as the ET's that are allowed to travel interstellar, they are all advanced civilizations. Or at least that is the way it is now. Perhaps in the distant past there may have been a few rouge groups that came here and stirred up s--t. But after what I heard and saw there is no way that a minority of "negative" ET's would be able to get away with anything signifigant.

I think that there has been a big blunder in so far as the "new age" tendency to classify all things that are intelligent and paranormal as "ET's". It is far to ambiguous, and it is my opinion that this is the reason for why there is so much confusion on the subject of "Are there bad guys in space ships other than us?". I think that one of the best new trends that people could start is to stop using the term ET so ambiguously.

Yes there are some extra dimensional beings that are up to no good. However, they are not in space ships and more than likely do not abduct people. Even if you have watched all of the Camelot Testimony you still will not have a grasp of how advanced the technology is that the shadow government has at its disposal. We have been shooting at the craft from these ET visitors with space and airplane based scalar and electromagnetic weapons for decades and there has not been any retaliation. Don't you think that if there were actually negative ET's in space craft that they would have fired back and taken out the weapons platforms that enable the black government to do this? Just use some common sense and the answer becomes crystal clear.

The experience was very similar to what Steven Showed on the videos of his CSETI outings at the Barcelona Conference. As soon as the group was setting up in the field where the contact training was arranged the battery operated radar detectors started going off on different bands. There was even one radar detector that when ever Steven was speaking to the group and he said something that they liked, it would go off with a two tone beep.

Then after the meditation the group shared some of the things they saw when attempting to remote view the craft or the ET's in general. If someone was saying or was about to say something important then one or more of the radar detectors would spontaniously go off in what was refferred to as a locked on fashion. In other words it would emit a constant tone or close to a constant tone.

We did not have any craft completely materialize on this night near the group. However we did see many different kinds of orbs of light blink in and out both near the group and one very bright one that flashed multiple times for us out in the sky about 60 degrees above the horizon. There was also what may have been a UFO but also could have been an ARV (alien reproduction vehicle) that was very high up directly above the group. It definately was not a conventional air craft. When we first saw it, it was a bright white object moving at a very high rate of speed. Distance wise it may have been out of the atmosphere or right at the edge of it. Then it changed colors and morphed into what looked like a conventional aircraft with normal marker lights on it. Considering the distance and the rate of speed and the fact that it made about a 30 degree turn suddenly I would have to guess that it was either one of ours or theirs.

Anyway, if any of you have the chance to go out and do this then I suggest you do not hesitate. You will not regret it.

eleni

09-13-2009, 03:38 PM

tone3jaguar

09-13-2009, 04:06 PM

Weeks ago I made contact with a craft in the sky- 3 of my children were with me and saw it as well- it was amazing. It gets more detailed than that (which I won't go into) but being a life long abductee I have always felt the greys were interdimensional.

You should look into Greer's accumulated testimonies from vetted (proven) black ops witnesses about how some Grays, Reptilians, and Insectoids are actually biological organisms based off of the Genetics of real species that are peaceful that are a kind of cybernetics AI creatures grown in various facilities around the world by the minions of Majestic.

It is important that people realize that Greer makes people prove that they are who they have said they are before he will accept their testimony as a possible truth. Where as there are those that just use intuition alone which can be easily manipulated through a various number of means.

eleni

09-13-2009, 05:00 PM

Yes, I have. I think there is truth to what he says and there is truth elsewhere- no one I've come across in over 24 years of studying this has the entire picture so IMHO it's important to look at all aspects- I finally feel that after years of research the picture is a lot clearer than what it used to be for me.

I also want to add that the greys have changed for me over the years. As a child they were very small (3 feet) with very large heads and had more of a whitish tone to them. My children (3 of 5 are also abductees) report them as taller.

It was easy (weeks ago ) to make *contact*. All I did was focus my intention (we were on a night walk) as I stood there looking toward the sky and I simply asked a benign species to uncloak themselves- my children were not aware of what I was intending to do but as soon as I saw the craft I pointed to it and we all watched it make zig zag moves etc my 9 year old became scared and said she was starting to feel sick to her stomach (the subject scares her) so we had to pay attention to her and started to walk back- hence we lost sight of it. But something else happened on our way back home- we encountered a probe- my 5 year old and my oldest daughter were not frightened by it- my 9 year old and I were. It had red lights and would appear and reappear- we got the impression it was luring us over to a space in the woods but my daughter was so terrified we ran back home.

mntruthseeker

09-13-2009, 05:01 PM

Tone3Jaguar

In my heart I know that what Steven Greer says is the truth.

I do know that for as many as there are in the galaxy that they surely would of taken us out a long time ago.

I am happy that you were able to attend the CSETI event and reported back to us.

Thank you for reassuring those of us that want the truth.

Thank you Steven Greer

14 Chakras

09-13-2009, 11:37 PM

mntruthseeker

09-13-2009, 11:48 PM

<gulp> Yes,

I got your point, its hard to think of me being someones food supply but I understand

14 Chakras

09-14-2009, 12:05 AM

I think the <gulp> explains a big part of the reason people are so hopeful that the ET's that are here right now are here to help...

Now personally, I have zero fear about this, because I know the power in truth and I know the power of working with Archangel Michael. That's his job, to protect you from any nefarious forces and energies, including negative ETs.

You literally have nothing to worry about in terms of negative ET's or dark forces if you are working on a daily basis empowering Archangel Michael to protect you and act in your life (other than what you let in by your own free will which Archangel Michael ALWAYS respects as paramount).

I have done this page up for beginners to help start to establish a relationship with Archangel Michael, I will be following up with some more specifics at some point in the spiritual section of why and how exactly. But I'm throwing this out there whenever we get into the territory of nefarious ET's because it is only fair that people have a way to protect themselves and they certainly DO.

www.squidoo.com/archangel-michael

I don't think it's off topic because if I'm going to talk about negative ET's it's not fair to not talk about the solution to protection as well, that's from my perspective. I say learn the truth and protect yourself while doing it: :lightsabre:

Jnana

09-14-2009, 12:57 AM

Thanks for the report T3J.

Anyway, if any of you have the chance to go out and do this then I suggest you do not hesitate. You will not regret it.

I agree. Reading about such things and looking at pictures in no way compares to the experience of direct interaction.

Shortly after reading your initial posting, I went outside and saw the following. It was dusk, not fully dark. Looking to the SSW I saw a light the same brightness as Jupiter hanging motionless in the sky for several minutes. This light was within 15 degrees of the horizon, below and to the right of Jupiter which was also visible. It looked like a twin of Jupiter. With binoculars, it looked like a disk of similar size. The light very gradually dimmed over a minute or two without moving. The light then moved slowly upwards and then it started to show standard aviation flashing lights. These lights were definitely not visible before, even when the main light was quite dim. The craft passed directly over me but there was no jet noise associated with it. It should have been easily audible. I continued watching the craft through binoculars until it was no longer visible in the north. All I could ever see were the lights.

T3J, this is obviously similar to the "morphing" craft you saw. This was the same contact I've been working with for a while now. I was asked to mention that this was not an ARV. This is the second time I've seen a demonstration similar to something recently seen at a CSETI event.

tone3jaguar

09-14-2009, 04:00 AM

"I do know that for as many as there are in the galaxy that they surely would of taken us out a long time ago."

I appreciate the above perspectives but believe it is important to share another one.

Are you sure aliens would have 'wiped us out by now' if they were nefarious? What if you receive energy from the source and they do not. What if the only way they survive is by you giving up your own light by misplacing it? Would you destroy your own food source?

Additionally, have you considered that there is a higher power than ET's, in the spiritual realm, that keeps the negative ET's from interfering even more than they already are? Have we thought that God might be involved somewhere in the equation or is there nothing higher than reptilians and greys?

It is truly beyond me how people believe that it's just other humans that are capable of pulling off the kind of stuff we have happening at the highest levels of our government and media.

Why is it we want aliens to be so good? Why don't we connect to the spiritual realm instead? Where is this push coming from to look to aliens and avoid connecting to God, avoid connecting to the angels, avoid connecting to the ascended consciousness?

I'm not clear...

David Icke knows what he is talking about when it comes to reptilians.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've seen a video somewhere on this forum where Greer fellow literally boast about 'advising the president' on et matters. He certainly likes to explain how he is advising some national governments of other countries on ET matters. Shouldn't this be a bit of a red flag for people? Have we forgotten what kind of beings are running our Country's? Does Greer have any clue, it does not appear so.

Continually we are looking for ET's to come save us from bad humans. Please keep in mind that ET's may very very well be the bad 'humans' we are waiting for them to come save us from... and that the only way we will really save our planet is when we connect to God within us and take back our own planet.

The old game of the solution lies outside of us, or inside of us. To be or not to be, that is the question...

Ah well.. we're all here to learn right?

I know where you are comming from. I have dealt with negative extradimensional entities and their thought forms for over a decade in the most extreme of circumstances. Even knowing what I know about the full extent of the dark forces having faced demons, entities, ****** off elementals, and even a demonic cat spirit that scratches and claws I have never seen any evidence that any of these types of creatures fly around in high tech craft of one sort or another.

This is where people have made the mistake of grouping all extra dimensional entities into the category of "ET". If a being is born not on another planet, but on a completely different plane of reality all together and gets here through dimensional portals only then they are not "ET" they are "ED".

I do not want to hate on David Icke. I think that he has been very brave to allow the world to watch as he worked through his shamanic souls progression. That being said, other than a huge "new age" culture of followers of his material all proclaiming it as the truth I have never seen one single piece of non-circumstantial evidence that shows that it is even possible for a being existing in this version of reality to morph from one species to another at will.

If this was possible don't you think that we would see it replicated some where in nature. Yes in nature there are creatures that go through a metamorphasis from one type of being to another (ex. butterfly). There are also beings that can change the patterns on their skin to blend in (octopus, kuddle fish). There are no examples of a mammal that can shift into a reptile then back to a mammal. The way that DNA works at this frequency range will not allow for this to take place.

Now, have these people aligned them selves with extra dimensional entities that choose to take on the form of a reptile because of the archetypal symbology associated with that style of creation and the tendencies of a reptile to be a brainless carnivor? Yes, this is completely plausible. Do individuals who work with these people, who are basically channeling thought forms from extra dimensionals like this, from the point of view of someone with second sight sometimes appear to temporarily look like the thought forms of their masters that they serve?

Yes this is also plausible. Are these smoke and mirrors representations of beings created by these dark extra dimensional forces for the soul purpose of fulfilling an agenda to feed off of the fears of the consciousness of all those on the planet? Probably so. Did the galaxy design the game this way in this version of reality so that the good side would have a reason to evolve and learn more quickly? In my opinion HELL YES, no pun intended.

I have been around a few people that where deep into the illuminati black magic stuff and they had a presence about them that was very much the same as a demonic entity, because they had the thought form of a demon residing in their energy field. I know where the perception is coming from, this does not make perception reality.

tone3jaguar

09-14-2009, 04:13 AM

"The most important decision a person will ever make is if they live in a hostile universe or a peaceful one." (Albert Einstein)

People, it is not about what was or what is. It is about where you are going? Which universe are you going to choose to live in?

orthodoxymoron

09-14-2009, 04:45 AM

Why are we so anxious to jump out of bed with an abusive God the Father...and into another bed with an abusive God the Reptilian? Are these the same beings? How about focusing on the Holy Spirit within all of humanity? Do we want a demonic theocracy...or do we want to be free?

KathyT

09-14-2009, 07:28 AM

I do not want to hate on David Icke. I think that he has been very brave to allow the world to watch as he worked through his shamanic souls progression. That being said, other than a huge "new age" culture of followers of his material all proclaiming it as the truth I have never seen one single piece of non-circumstantial evidence that shows that it is even possible for a being existing in this version of reality to morph from one species to another at will.

If this was possible don't you think that we would see it replicated some where in nature. Yes in nature there are creatures that go through a metamorphasis from one type of being to another (ex. butterfly). There are also beings that can change the patterns on their skin to blend in (octopus, kuddle fish). There are no examples of a mammal that can shift into a reptile then back to a mammal. The way that DNA works at this frequency range will not allow for this to take place.

You're spot on with this assessment. Thank you for giving this explanation.

I went with the intention to only see a UFO, and left with the knowledge of a lifetime for the proper protocols for making contact with extra terrestrial craft. I must agree with Steven that so far as the ET's that are allowed to travel interstellar, they are all advanced civilizations.

Thank you for telling us of your experience. I had it marked on my calendar, if this was the one in Shasta. I so wanted to go, but it didn't work out for me. So I am very glad you told us what you saw.

TraineeHuman

09-14-2009, 08:20 AM

Lovely info, tone3jaguar.

On a very different note (with big apologies to tone3j):

I have a degree in psychology, plus one in social work, plus much experience in working on healing people at an inner level (and some experience of successfully doing exorcisms, and also spectacular genuine healings). I know of nothing more destructive, more satanic, more soul-eroding, than fear-mongering. Nothing! Not in the whole universe. It just keeps on destroying a little bit more of you all the time. It’s like the Middle Ages, with their ten centuries of dictatorship without culture. Black on black.

In jails (certainly in Australian jails), most child molesters get murdered by their fellow inmates. That’s how vile abuse is. (Actually, studies show that generally, verbal abuse is even more damaging than physical abuse.) And how do child molesters, and abusers of adults, gain and maintain their control over their victims? Simple. Through intensive fear-mongering. Ironically, then, we apparently get the following situation. Those individuals (perhaps, it would seem, severely scarred over and over in their childhoods by fear, and perhaps even no longer capable of seeing or admitting how damaged they apparently are, or at least of honestly admitting why) who “warn us” about The Devil are unwittingly doing some of the latter’s best work.

tone3jaguar

09-14-2009, 12:34 PM

tone3jaguar

09-14-2009, 12:52 PM

Thanks for the report T3J.

I agree. Reading about such things and looking at pictures in no way compares to the experience of direct interaction.

Shortly after reading your initial posting, I went outside and saw the following. It was dusk, not fully dark. Looking to the SSW I saw a light the same brightness as Jupiter hanging motionless in the sky for several minutes. This light was within 15 degrees of the horizon, below and to the right of Jupiter which was also visible. It looked like a twin of Jupiter. With binoculars, it looked like a disk of similar size. The light very gradually dimmed over a minute or two without moving. The light then moved slowly upwards and then it started to show standard aviation flashing lights. These lights were definitely not visible before, even when the main light was quite dim. The craft passed directly over me but there was no jet noise associated with it. It should have been easily audible. I continued watching the craft through binoculars until it was no longer visible in the north. All I could ever see were the lights.

T3J, this is obviously similar to the "morphing" craft you saw. This was the same contact I've been working with for a while now. I was asked to mention that this was not an ARV. This is the second time I've seen a demonstration similar to something recently seen at a CSETI event.

Cool, maby one of the species of visitors has developed a tech to counter act the network of neutrino detecting satellites that are around the world that sense the visitors craft dematerializing. Not out of the question in the least. Some of these craft are so advanced that they can change into what ever the pilot(s) intend for them to change into.

Jnana

09-14-2009, 02:22 PM

Cool, maby one of the species of visitors has developed a tech to counter act the network of neutrino detecting satellites that are around the world that sense the visitors craft dematerializing. Not out of the question in the least. Some of these craft are so advanced that they can change into what ever the pilot(s) intend for them to change into.

I'm sure whatever they've got is ridiculously more advanced than what we've got. From what I've seen they could simply tweak the electronics of a detector to have it not respond if they wanted (without causing any permanent damage) like whatever they use to tweak radar detectors - clearly they are not simply sending a radar signal.

This is the longest continuous light display I have seen so far. It was also relatively early in the evening (8:30 PM) and there was commercial air traffic about. A bit more bold than what I've seen before.

orthodoxymoron

09-14-2009, 02:40 PM

Can a reptilian morph into whoever or whatever the hell it wants to? Can a 'ufo' morph into whatever the pilot wants it to be? If so...does no one find this creepy and spooky?

Jnana

09-14-2009, 03:06 PM

Can a 'ufo' morph into whatever the pilot wants it to be? If so...does no one find this creepy and spooky?

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Arthur C. Clarke (http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Arthur_C._Clarke/), "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law)

Just because we don't understand how something is done, is it necessary to be afraid of it? I would not say that I saw a ufo "morph". It simply generated a different configuration of lights. It may be possible to do such a thing by manipulating energy fields. It was too dark to see anything but the lights. We have to be careful how we interpret our observations.

I haven't met any reptilians except for the skinks that live around here and a few turtles.

orthodoxymoron

09-14-2009, 03:41 PM

tone3jaguar

09-14-2009, 03:58 PM

Who or what REALLY controls the City-States, the Moon, the Earth, the Solar System, the Secret Space Program, and the Deep Underground Military Bases? Who or what is at the heart of the New World Order? At what point should human beings become cautious or concerned regarding non-human beings?

I really and truly want to constructively interact with truly benevolent non-human beings...but I keep getting a sick and sinking feeling that human beings are not in control of what is occurring on Earth and the Moon...and that malevolent non-human beings are running the show.

I sincerely hope that I'm wrong...but I'm beginning to think that humanity is in Sirius trouble.

It is a hard truth to accept, but you live in a highly structured illusion that only the creator of all that is has control of, and you are a direct emanation of this creator. It is creation and the rest is just a story. You want to know who is really in control of the happenings on this planet?

Everything that happens on this planet, without exception, is the direct result of a manifestation of the collective consciousness of everyone on the planet. You and everyone else are the ones that are in control. The story of others actually having the control is made up so that you will continue to manifest them into the positions they have taken. If suddenly everyone on earth no longer believed that there were any people in control of this that and the other, within a few days all of the control and power mongers would loose their grip on everything.

This is why it is so critical that people realize and join together to manifest collectively a new society free of all of the bull s--t. This is what is happening right now as we speak. The trick is going to be doing it fast enough so that the Earth does not run out of time and take care of the situation for us. The more people that wake up and visualize the kind of future that we are capable of the less painful and dangerous this transition of consciousness will be.

You Have The Power and You always have!

mntruthseeker

09-14-2009, 04:01 PM

This has been a very interesting post. I much rather continue along believing in that there are both good and bad.

I am tired of the scare tatics and from some people that I have learn to respect very well have confirmed the same information that I seen here

I will certaintly use Archangel Michael to protect me from evil as that is his job. Ever since I was little bad and good have been around so why should this be any different?

Thats ok, what do we have to lose? I rather be happy than afraid.

Ever since I pray to Jesus every night, I have not been bothered. I know this is true.

eleni

09-14-2009, 04:09 PM

There is truth to like attracts like and matches the vibration (why my children and I have been abducted by greys- I don't know but I don't believe in the Casseiopeans who state that those in STS get abducted) anyhow my belief is me must be very careful what we ask for and be specific.

orthodoxymoron

09-14-2009, 04:14 PM

It is a hard truth to accept, but you live in a highly structured illusion that only the creator of all that is has control of, and you are a direct emanation of this creator. It is creation and the rest is just a story. You want to know who is really in control of the happenings on this planet?

This is why it is so critical that people realize and join together to manifest collectively a new society free of all of the bull s--t. This is what is happening right now as we speak. The trick is going to be doing it fast enough so that the Earth does not run out of time and take care of the situation for us. The more people that wake up and visualize the kind of future that we are capable of the less painful and dangerous this transition of consciousness will be.

You Have The Power and You always have!

Is a collectivist hive-mind of human slaves...subservient to the 'Master Race' really the goal? If humanity chooses Constitutional Responsible Freedom...will this be welcomed by the Universal Powers That Be? If humanity does not do what the 'Earth' expects (or demands?)...how will the 'Earth' take care of the situation for us? By exterminating the human race via deliberate and premeditated 'Earth Changes'?YouTube - ABC's 'V' - Upfront Trailer - with Elizabeth Mitchell - 3rd November 2009 YouTube - The Day The Earth Stood Still - Trailer HD

tone3jaguar

09-14-2009, 05:29 PM

Is a collectivist hive-mind of human slaves...subservient to the 'Master Race' really the goal? If humanity chooses Constitutional Responsible Freedom...will this be welcomed by the Universal Powers That Be? If humanity does not do what the 'Earth' expects (or demands?)...how will the 'Earth' take care of the situation for us? By exterminating the human race via deliberate and premeditated 'Earth Changes'?YouTube - ABC's 'V' - Upfront Trailer - with Elizabeth Mitchell - 3rd November 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnNjRaBj3zs) YouTube - The Day The Earth Stood Still - Trailer HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UWZBLUdYgs&feature=related)

The hive mind is a lower state of consciousness that evolved way back when the universe was at a lower state of evolution than it is now. The concept of collective manifestation of the world we live on is not the hive mind. The hive concept is where the few direct the many in an organized socialist consciousness where the individuals act like individual aspects of the whole.

Collective consciousness is a law of the universe that can not be escaped. We do not need to have a goal of collective consciousness, we are already doing it. Most are just doing according to someone elses made up story instead of their own. This is what is changing. The illusion that the story is real is breaking down in the majority of the people on the planet. A critical number of people are beginning to say no to the false core beliefs that where taught to them from young ages. These are being purged simply by the evolution of the consciousness of the entire solar system and perhaps even the entire universe.

Because of this the minds of the many are being naturally freed and are beginning to form new understandings of the nature of the way that things work in the world. It is the job of all of us who know what our civilization is potentially capable of to help these people to understand what it is important to focus on and what is not important to focus on.

The Earth is not going to vomit the human race off of it. Earth changes will be localized and effect pockets of civilization where most of the people are refusing to allow the evolution of consciousness to change them. These things may not even kill people, however sometimes a little chaos is all it takes to get people to let go of ideas that they have become comfortable with. Not human induced illuminati chaos, natural event chaos.

tone3jaguar

09-14-2009, 05:32 PM

Oh yes, FYI. Those two video previews are illuminati propaganda that are attempting to get people to manifest a dire outcome because that is their twisted wet dream.

mntruthseeker

09-14-2009, 05:44 PM

ABC's word on anything Oh Please spare me.......no major media / press will ever tell you the truth. Hell they even got cartoons out to pacify our children. screw them all

orthodoxymoron

09-14-2009, 06:32 PM

The hive mind is a lower state of consciousness that evolved way back when the universe was at a lower state of evolution than it is now. The concept of collective manifestation of the world we live on is not the hive mind. The hive concept is where the few direct the many in an organized socialist consciousness where the individuals act like individual aspects of the whole.

Collective consciousness is a law of the universe that can not be escaped. We do not need to have a goal of collective consciousness, we are already doing it. Most are just doing according to someone elses made up story instead of their own. This is what is changing. The illusion that the story is real is breaking down in the majority of the people on the planet. A critical number of people are beginning to say no to the false core beliefs that where taught to them from young ages. These are being purged simply by the evolution of the consciousness of the entire solar system and perhaps even the entire universe.

Because of this the minds of the many are being naturally freed and are beginning to form new understandings of the nature of the way that things work in the world. It is the job of all of us who know what our civilization is potentially capable of to help these people to understand what it is important to focus on and what is not important to focus on.

The Earth is not going to vomit the human race off of it. Earth changes will be localized and effect pockets of civilization where most of the people are refusing to allow the evolution of consciousness to change them. These things may not even kill people, however sometimes a little chaos is all it takes to get people to let go of ideas that they have become comfortable with. Not human induced illuminati chaos, natural event chaos.

So...you wouldn't have a problem with the human race becoming truly Christ-like...and basing globalism on Constitutional Responsible Freedom...with Earth being governed exclusively by human beings...with no non-human interference...benevolent or malevolent? Or would this provoke natural event chaos...provoked by HAARP perhaps? Or maybe nukes detonated under the polar icecaps and major faultlines? Would we call this an 'Act of God'?

By the way...here is some more Illuminati propaganda from FOX...which couldn't possibly be true or predictive. I'm tending to think that the Illuminati are very frightened right now. I don't think they know what to do. They realize that they are in the crosshairs too. They realize that they have been deceived and double-crossed. Just speculation. Lucifer...is that you at 8:05? What did it feel like when the planes hit the towers? Did you hear the screams? Did the computer which was used to remotely control the planes...also manage the controlled-demolitions? Come-on! Talk to me Lucifer! I am not trying to be triumphalistic. I just want you to retire...and turn Earth (if not the Solar System) over to Constitutional Responsible Freedom...with no Gods whatsoever. The God-concept does not work. Spirituality? Yes. Gods? No. Do the Earth Changes orders still stand? The terrorism needs to cease...permanently. Lucifer...you can make it happen. [All of the above is highly speculative in nature...and not based upon any inside information. It seems possible...and even probable to me...at this time...based upon a wide variety of sources and the consideration of a wide variety of possibilities. Take this post seriously...but not too seriously.] YouTube - The Lone Gunman, Pilot Episode (Air Date: March 4, 2001)

tone3jaguar

09-14-2009, 08:14 PM

[QUOTE=orthodoxymoron;168854]So...you wouldn't have a problem with the human race becoming truly Christ-like...and basing globalism on Constitutional Responsible Freedom...with Earth being governed exclusively by human beings...with no non-human interference...benevolent or malevolent?

Of course not, this is the paradigm of an advanced civilization.

Or would this provoke natural event chaos...provoked by HAARP perhaps? Or maybe nukes detonated under the polar icecaps and major faultlines? Would we call this an 'Act of God'?

The Earth is a super intelligent being. She wants to resonate at the highest frequency possible and in order to do this the frequency has to be evenly distributed across her surface. Destructive earth changes are sometimes the consciousness of the planet in the process of evening out the frequencies generated by the people on the surface.

And no, I am not speaking of artificially induced earth changes being part of this process. The illuminati think that they are conduits for universal Karma and that they are helping things by creating events like large scale wars to accomplish this reorganization out of chaos. What they do not realize is that they are creating massive quantities of bad karma for themselves and are in the process of living out that karma.

These Earth changes can come in many forms. They could be heat waves, super cold weather, hurricanes, tornadoes, huge hail storms like the one in New Jersey a few months back, or even a small localized severe thunderstorm. What ever it takes to slap the sheeple awake.

eleni

09-14-2009, 08:42 PM

orthodoxymoron

09-14-2009, 09:25 PM

In my own simplistic way...I keep thinking that we are in the last stages of an ancient conflict between the human and reptilian races. I keep thinking that at some point...thousands or even millions of years ago...the reptilians got the upper-hand over the humans...genetically modified us (dumbing us down) to create a slave-race...and proceeded to play God. And that the reptilians have used sell-out humans throughout history...to manage their herds of humans. These sell-outs have mostly been our religious, political, and financial leaders. Again...this is simply educated speculation.

If most of the above is true...it is my hope that the cycle of conquest and revenge can be broken. Star Wars and Masters of the Universe are stupid games. We shouldn't be fighting over who gets to be God. The God Concept should end. All races...throughout the universe...should just all get along. There may need to be some segregation...as various races work out their unique problems...but none of them should be enslaved, hurt, or killed. I'm sensing three major races...human, reptilian, and grey...but who knows how many races there really are...throughout the entire universe?

I tend to think that the Illuminati have sold-out to the reptilians in order to obtain fame, fortune, power, and protection...in exchange for carrying out the will of the reptilian race against the human race. Jesus was offered the top-job...by Lucifer...if he would bow down and worship Lucifer. Jesus refused. Unfortunately...many others have accepted...throughout history. Who knows who the real Illuminati are? Many think they know...but do they really?

tone3jaguar

09-14-2009, 09:40 PM

Question here: Does one think the *Illuminati* are that dumb about karma or are they controlled by lower astral entities and just don't care?
Or are the Illuminati we speak of not the real Illuminati- there are numerous reasons why I say this.

They are not dumb intelligence wise or else they would not have been able to accomplish what they have. However, they do actually believe that they are the conduits for the universes consciousness of distruction and chaos. Because of this the most devout of their religion actually think that the decisions they make are the will of the creator. Due to this they have no concept of the perception of Karma. They think that what ever their twisted minds and extra dimensional cohorts come up with is divine will. Therefore, they actually believe that none of it will ever come back on them.

In the same way that they have imposed their will on us and tricked us into believing false truths, the exact same thing has been done to them from these negatively polarized parallel dimensions. Many of them are waking up to the fact that they have been spiritually lied to and manipulated and tricked by the beings they aligned themselves with and are divorcing themselves from it. Some of them where born into it and never had much of a choice after they where incarnated. We may not get news reports about it, but there is a mass exodus from groups like this happening all of the world right now.

Some of them are so deep into it and actually think that because once upon a time their great great great great great grand daddy was the ruler of BFE (butt f--king egypt) that this somehow means that they are the spawn of the gods of distruction, and they may go on believing this until there is nothing left of them.

eleni

09-14-2009, 09:53 PM

I can agree that some think they are the descendants of so and so - but in my experience with the so called Illume families- they are not as *knowledgeable* about interdimensional aspects as we give them credit for- as far as Illumes I speak of the Rothschild clan (French faction) and certain bloodlines of the Black Nobility.

This is why I say the real Illuminati are not who we think they are. I believe they are not the one's in control (human wise) even though their actions are evil, service to self centered etc;

That's not to say they aren't in control of media, banking, creating war, unleashing disease etc;

Agree- they have no concept of karma, not the one's I know anyhow- they are far from *Illumed*.

It's my belief to so called 13 families of the Illuminati are not the real Illuminati at all. The real one's IMO have not been revealed (human- am not speaking of reptilians and so on).

14 Chakras

09-14-2009, 10:01 PM

Great thread, all interesting discussion points and possibilities being discussed. My understandings shared below.

Shapeshifting reptilians = generally speaking 5th dimensional et's, using technology to create the hologram in the third. Everything is hologram, it's a holographic universe after all... That means the beings that are embodied here that are reptilians can be literally on their spaceships in higher dimensions at the same time... trippy huh?

orthodoxymoron your summary here:
"In my own simplistic way...I keep thinking that we are in the last stages of an ancient conflict between the human and reptilian races. I keep thinking that at some point...thousands or even millions of years ago...the reptilians got the upper-hand over the humans...genetically modified us (dumbing us down) to create a slave-race...and proceeded to play God. And that the reptilians have used sell-out humans throughout history...to manage their herds of humans. These sell-outs have mostly been our religious, political, and financial leaders. Again...this is simply educated speculation."

I agree with, and I would add that the elite "sell outs" to the alien species are "blue bloods" meaning cold blooded reptilians themselves, just half breeds generally speaking (which explains the whole 'satanic bloodlines' business)... Basically the reps travel round on their Niburu for thousands of years at a time and while away, they leave their half breed comrades in charge of what they deem as their cattle stock (us) here on planet earth awaiting for their nasty return...

There's a lot more than three alien races in the almost infinite universe! And judging by many whistleblowers accounts, a lot more than three here on planet earth at this time... unfortunately, truth is layered and infinite, as long as we are seeking outside of ourselves we will never get to the truth, always more layers, we have to seek inside and surrender and we will experience the truth, we will achieve union with it... this is the only true Way.

As Tone agrees with, the paradigm of an advanced civilization is to have Christ Beings embodied and leading the civilization for the benefit of all life, and all life to see through the illusions of separation and be moving towards the Christ consciousness, rather than egotistical aliens leading the population to their own demise.

I suggest however, the ONLY way to attain this kind of civilization is for the people of this planet to overcome their own illusions and for a critical mass of them, a Christ mass, to make the jump to the Christ consciousness.

In other words, it isn't ET's coming here that will save this planet and bring enlightenment to it, it is the people of this planet themselves that will do so. They will only do so when they realize their own power within. How would they do this if another more 'advanced' alien race showed up now and started doing stuff on our planet? How would we realize the power within if something outside of us came and made it happen?

As you say, you attract what you put your attention on. If you put your attention on ET's who wish to come take over this planet, or put us under them in some sort of hiearchy, then that's what your attracting. Why do we trust them? There is so much evidence contrary, yet we want so much to believe, we're willing to explain it all away with: those thousands of whistle blowers and abduction experiences are just human beings pretending to be mean aliens... all aliens are nice or they would have had us for dinner by now... well there's definitely the possibility that there is cosmic law that has prevented them from interfering anymore than they already have and that they have plans that are not nice coming up in this important time.

It is my highest suggestion that people stop trying to connect to ET's and start connecting to the spiritual realm, the ascended realm, to God within. Archangel Michael is a great start for that because he'll help cut you free from what is untrue and help you connect to what is true.

As for the universal exorcism, I am of the opinion that this is well under way, but it will still be up to us, the people of this planet, to connect to God within them and let the highest Self, the I AM within (or holy spirit if you wish to term it that way), be the doer. For with man it is not possible, but with God all things are possible, we just have to realize that God is accessible within us and won't fix the world from outside of us, only from inside of us..

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P.S. Tone, the demons you are describing are crazy ones... but the serpent described in Genesis was a hint for us, it is the "wisest" of all the species. It's not dumb and crazy, it's smart and cunning, it's wise. The truly nefarious species are not outwardly evil looking, outwardly they have a lot of light, like Clinton or Obama... but inwardly they are ravening wolves... same goes for some of hte ET's promising humanity salvation if we join their club.

Nothing to fear here, nothing to fear, but let's connect to God within and the spiritual realm and hiearchy rather than other students in teh schoolroom of the universe who may be failing their grades very badly (other students meaning ET's)...

eleni

09-14-2009, 10:07 PM

Yes, so important to connect to real spiritual realm and develop one's self - not ET's saviors of any type.

I think people give too much power to the reptilians/so called Illuminati etc;

It's time to work on ourselves- let those are are in STS reap their own karma- we have the choice not to go along with it even if we do live on a planet that is polluted, controlled by profit and greed. We can develop ourselves- we need not reap their karma.

orthodoxymoron

09-14-2009, 10:21 PM

14 Chakras, tone3jaguar, and eleni...your last posts were priceless! :thumb_yello:

Christo888

09-14-2009, 10:58 PM

14, great words... one thing in particular that really stood out is the 'half breed blue bloods,' kinda puts a whole different twist on things!

Dimwitted blue blood babysitters of the planet... hmmmmm.... half breeds to interbred to continue sanity!!!!

Perhaps this lineage cannot stabilize themselves and therefore have gone overboard trying to rule everything and are driving themselves to extinction.

Next in line!!! :naughty:

tone3jaguar

09-15-2009, 12:36 AM

As an additional note, classifying all humanoid reptilian extra terrestrial races as evil and bent on destruction is racism no different than the demonization of Muslims and Communist citizens. What if there are a bunch of peaceful reptilian races and the negative parallel entities have a bone to pick with them so they take on their form? Just an idea.

Everyone seems to have forgotten the old saying, "Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear". What happened to that type of discernment?

eleni

09-15-2009, 01:14 AM

eleni

09-15-2009, 01:18 AM

I would have to agree t3j- the one's (only time I ever encountered *reptilians*) under the influence of ayahuasca where not threatening- sure they look scary at first but if you interact with them on that reality (or maybe it was just me-no- it's been the experience of others too) you may feel differently. Of course there are probably numerous factions/races of reptilians etc; these claim to be living in the earth and have been here since beginning of planet.

Jnana

09-15-2009, 01:21 AM

14 Chakras, the number one response I get when I ask the ETs pretty much anything is that I need to look within and raise my own conciousness.

The same divine spirit shines through all intelligent beings throughout the universe. They (the ETs) cannot and are not offering salvation. They have already been through what we are about to go through, but they can't change the process. They can't change universal laws.

What then is the point of contact? The quarantine is about to end and it's time to meet the neighbors. We're going to have to learn how to get along in a universe teeming with intelligent life. You are justifiably concerned about getting through the transition, and connecting with the divine within is indeed what needs to happen. I am also looking farther ahead.

I think there is way too much cowboy and indian star wars space opera disinformation floating around and people get caught up in some story lines that are nothing but fiction. I absolutely agree with focusing on spiritual growth, but absolutely disagree with any form of xenophobia.

eleni

09-15-2009, 01:37 AM

If there is a quarantine on the planet (even the Veda's speak of it) then it must be only a 3d one and the abductions really are interdimensional (they feel it) but the greys and the one's behind the greys are deceptive and cause people to believe they are from another planet- or there is no quarantine at all- or maybe those violating such a quarantine. When I was little I thought they were from the moon- not sure if I was told that and they are operating from moon bases as some have suggested. Many possibilities but in going over more ancient *evidence* they have been interacting with us since the beginning of planet- some claim they created us- many possibilities so I don't necessarily buy into the quarantine theory that Greer touts.

KathyT

09-15-2009, 01:37 AM

If this was possible don't you think that we would see it replicated some where in nature. Yes in nature there are creatures that go through a metamorphasis from one type of being to another (ex. butterfly). There are also beings that can change the patterns on their skin to blend in (octopus, kuddle fish). There are no examples of a mammal that can shift into a reptile then back to a mammal. The way that DNA works at this frequency range will not allow for this to take place.

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I'd forgotten about this... and although there are no examples of a mammals shifting into a reptile... some metamorphasis in humans takes place... tee hee.
YouTube - Michael Jackson Transformation

TheObserver

09-15-2009, 01:40 AM

KathyT

09-15-2009, 01:58 AM

removed, was a duplicate

Jnana

09-15-2009, 12:22 PM

If there is a quarantine on the planet (even the Veda's speak of it) then it must be only a 3d one ...

That's essentially correct. It isn't to keep them out so much as to keep us in until we learn how to play nicely with others.

tone3jaguar

09-15-2009, 01:25 PM

That's essentially correct. It isn't to keep them out so much as to keep us in until we learn how to play nicely with others.

Yes, and this goes for all civilizations that have not learned to be peaceful. So much for the negative ET's being from somewhere besides an underground lab.

eleni

09-15-2009, 01:37 PM

Well then that makes all the military testimonies ,Bob Dean, Cliff Stone etc wrong........somehow I think the quarantine does not exist anymore- or never did- or perhaps intervention was necessary after our testing and setting off of atomic bombs - as some have implied.

orthodoxymoron

09-15-2009, 01:40 PM

Is it really just Earth humans who need to learn to play nicely? Could it be that the whole universe is a war-zone? Or have the warring factions been isolated to this solar-system? Are the reptilians and greys really the nice beings of the universe? Or are the reptilians, greys, and humans the problem-children of the universe? Are the reptilians the current Masters of the Universe? Are the humans currently rebelling against their Gods? Is Earth a Planet in Rebellion? Is the latest version of the New World Order an attempt to crack-down on the uppity humans? Are obedient slaves considered to be peaceful? Are slaves who are struggling to gain their freedom considered to be aggressive and violent? Is a peaceful civilization defined as a submissive civilization? If humans are submissive to reptilians and greys...are they then considered to be peaceful? Was 9/11 a whip across the back of the 'free' United States? If the U.S. goes down...will there be any chance of freedom...anywhere in the world? Or anywhere in the universe?

It's all in the details, definitions, and biases...isn't it? Ask any attorney. Lucifer...in addition to being a musician...you're a theologian and attorney as well...aren't you? You must be the world's leading authority on the Holy Bible and the U.S. Constitution...aren't you? The words of Christ combined with the Constitution...and applied throughout the world...would mean the end of reptilian-rule...wouldn't it? You know this better than anyone...don't you? Are there worse beings than you...Lucifer...in this big, bad universe? Are you our worst-enemy and best-buddy...simultaneously? I've been treating you that way...haven't I? Are the Deep Underground Military Bases and the Secret Space Program for the benefit of the human race...or for the benefit of the reptilian and grey races? Or could these things be for our mutual benefit? If the Solar System was based upon the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...would Orion and Draco really try to crack-down? Would the Empire Strike Back? Who the hell knows? The possibilities are endless.

What if this universe is just a marble...which a couple of kids are playing with...just like in the movie? I'm gonna smoke another joint. :smoke:

KathyT

09-15-2009, 01:42 PM

That's essentially correct. It isn't to keep them out so much as to keep us in until we learn how to play nicely with others.

Yup. To keep us in.

A parallel. We build fences to keep cattle in fields. And although it constrains them, fences protect livestock to some extent, as if they wander, they could venture out to areas of a forest where they might become prey to a cougar or bear, etc. We fence them in because they are ‘property’.

Mankind has a history of using lower animals for entertainment. Consider the Romans and their gladiator games. Consider the Spanish bullfighting. Consider rooster and dog fighting. Consider rodeos. Consider dog shows.

None of us can conceive what and who the higher ‘beings’ are really like. We can’t. We don’t have the ability to have that experience. “They” may bring their awareness down to our level, but that is all.

We were created by them. Their ultimate and overall reason for our creation is only known by them, not us.
They don’t “need” us. They have everything they want on their higher levels, more than we can possibly understand.

I think we’re a type of entertainment to “them”. Hollywood creates all kinds of fantasy entertainment films.. concepts that go into film making. No reason not to think our ‘creators’ haven’t just done it on a magnificent scale, 3D, a full dimensional entertainment package.

That may be hard to swallow, but I don’t see any way to prove that this idea is wrong.

eleni

09-15-2009, 01:58 PM

enemyofNWO

09-15-2009, 02:32 PM

Yes, we could have been created as slaves, entertainment , food and so on.
I'm not sure why that is hard to grasp either, we think we are the pinnacle of creation here on this planet, but they could have been created as the same and so on and so on- a grand cosmic joke of sorts.
Not to sound like a Peta activist (I'm not) but.....
Look at how majority of planet treats animals....and the humans get upset over cattle mutilations....what do you think goes on in slaughter houses on a daily basis?
The possibilities of many different agenda are limitless.

Since we are supposed to be in jail here on the planet- who said the inmates can't have visitors? It's a lot easier for visitors to come see us than vice versa.

I agree with most of your post . The cattle mutilations and human abductions , human body parts found in downed craft are absolutely not friendly . And they are not very recent phenomena .
I don't buy Greer's idea of the quarantine , as I said before , there are too many testimonies about bases on Mars and reverse engineered crafts .
And then there is the Gary McKinnon case . The quarantine is a device invented so that people don't ask about the bases on Mars and possibly other places . Reading other threads on this site ( Casbolt and the Watcher )
there are some entities who have been controlling this world for a long time .
Some of those entities might be interdimentional or from who knows where , but the fact is that they are evil . I agree that not all entities are evil , but the fact that the world is the mess it is cannot be possibly attributed to greed alone . There are the blood sacrifices , the pedophilia , and unimaginable horror of which some of our criminal leaders and Elite are part of it .

Jnana

09-15-2009, 02:38 PM

Since we are supposed to be in jail here on the planet- who said the inmates can't have visitors? It's a lot easier for visitors to come see us than vice versa.

I'm inclined to go with the "schoolhouse" metaphor. We're the unruly adolescents who haven't learned how to behave like normal civilized adults yet. Bob Dean used a similar description in the most recent "futuretalk" discussion. Yes, it seems that visitors are allowed within certain limits, but those limits seem to be changing and we will have open contact "soon".

the fact that the world is the mess it is cannot be possibly attributed to greed alone

Greed, selfishness, fear, it really doesn't take that much. Saying "the devil made them do it" (or some other evil force), gives the truly depraved people of this world an excuse they do not deserve to have. I don't buy it.

Focus on what the forces for light are doing and things make more sense. Paranoia is not the way to understanding.

eleni

09-15-2009, 07:36 PM

As a species- imagine also how we must look to the factions coming here- we too (well hopefully not anyone reading this) kill humans, enslave others, rape etc; is it not a surprise that we may have attracted *like minded* off world visitors?

I too think that while there may have been a quarantine on the planet- the evidence suggests otherwise and Greer IMHO does not have sight of the entire picture- not that anyone person has- but it's wise IMO to keep a very open mind and not jump to conclusions when it comes to what really is going on.

orthodoxymoron

09-15-2009, 07:57 PM

I agree with most of your post . The cattle mutilations and human abductions , human body parts found in downed craft are absolutely not friendly . And they are not very recent phenomena .
I don't buy Greer's idea of the quarantine , as I said before , there are too many testimonies about bases on Mars and reverse engineered crafts .
And then there is the Gary McKinnon case . The quarantine is a device invented so that people don't ask about the bases on Mars and possibly other places . Reading other threads on this site ( Casbolt and the Watcher )
there are some entities who have been controlling this world for a long time .
Some of those entities might be interdimentional or from who knows where , but the fact is that they are evil . I agree that not all entities are evil , but the fact that the world is the mess it is cannot be possibly attributed to greed alone . There are the blood sacrifices , the pedophilia , and unimaginable horror of which some of our criminal leaders and Elite are part of it .

If we were simply dealing with human beings...corrupt or pure...I would expect history and current events to be very different. I'm seeing something very dark...of a non-human nature...throughout history. I see something very good and beautiful when I look at the human body (especially the body of a member of the opposite sex!)...but regarding the governance and conduct of nations...I am not seeing the work of whoever was instrumental in creating the human body. As I have said before...I don't think that the God of This World is the Creator God of the Universe. Choices have been made. Battles have been fought. Deals have been made. History has been hidden. Lies have been told. And here we are. We may have made our own bed...but I'm not deliriously happy about sleeping in it...

14 Chakras

09-16-2009, 06:56 AM

Out of the mouth of my 5 year old- a few minutes ago- random as well-

"Mom, did you know aliens control the planet? And they do it from space".

I asked which aliens? He said "different kinds". I asked him when was he told this. He said " I don't remember the date but it was during one time when they came into my room".

Very interesting indeed. I recommend calling Christ protection for your son every evening before sleeping, call to Archangel Michael to protect him, your house and family from all dark forces and all negative aliens. Out loud is best, the link I sent earlier has various spoken word exercises that are super powerful if you are willing to go that far.

Anyway, interesting comments and timing, sounds to me like a hint from the divine...

KathyT

09-16-2009, 07:03 AM

As I have said before...I don't think that the God of This World is the Creator God of the Universe.

Nicely said.

It's unfortunate that many religions teach people to worship as if their only God is an image like man.

With the 80 billion galaxies our telescopes are seeing... the sheer size of our Universe tells me we have absolutely no concept of what the Creator God of the Universe is.

I recommend calling Christ protection for your son every evening before sleeping, call to Archangel Michael to protect him, your house and family from all dark forces and all negative aliens. Out loud is best,

I fail to see any reason one must "call" for protection. I know of no evidence that those who "call", vs those who absent mindedly "don't call", have any verifiable different results. There is no proof that those who "don't call", are not just as fortunate in daily living as those who do. It's all an illusion in the minds eye. A mental placebo.

tone3jaguar

09-16-2009, 12:29 PM

I fail to see any reason one must "call" for protection. I know of no evidence that those who "call", vs those who absent mindedly "don't call", have any verifiable different results. There is no proof that those who "don't call", are not just as fortunate in daily living as those who do. It's all an illusion in the minds eye. A mental placebo.

I can testify that if there is an issue with negative entities of any kind bothering someone that the situation can be neutralized by asking for the right help. The other side is not going to hold our hands and walk us across the street. They want us to learn, and learning which positive beings can help with what is part of that learning.

eleni

09-16-2009, 01:38 PM

My son likes them, and I have to say I've never had a negative experience in all my years of being abducted- I also tend to view things in a more non dualistic manner- seeing things from multiple perspectives so I can't come out and say greys (they are more white to me anyhow) are evil and so on.

This could be pure BS on their part and it's something I told the late John Mack years ago when I worked with him and that is- I was told they are us from a future timeline- many believe that is deception- I cannot really answer that 100% and I don't think anyone else can.

My belief is that the grey type contains numerous different factions- we hear stories of human body parts etc; but do we have any solid evidence as to whether those stories are true? There are many things said about the visitors and the reality id probably that there are so many agendas/factions going on that we may never figure it out.

Antonia

09-16-2009, 03:08 PM

I believe that there are many interdimentional races.... human, reptilian, insecticiod, grey, what ever, just because somthing is in a differnt density of matter or higher or lower on the frequency dial doesn't mean it has no form..
I also believe that we need to get over our paranioa about reptilians.

If David Ike and other are to be believed, then there seems to be reptilians good and bad all through the galaxy and universe as well as various forms of humans who are also good and bad... By good and bad I'm being very basic here as all races are on a quest of self interest... especially us even our 2012 ascention... is a great , noble, vision of a brighter more harmonious future for our planet and US.... before the greater implecations for the galaxy etc... I
just want to defend the reptilians here... they get such a bad rap.
yes there, has been terrible interfearance and manipulation of the this, latest version of humanity to walk this planet... by all sorts of arche types of off planet visitors... reptilian , Nordic, grey, even the benevolent and loving pleadians of Barbara hand Clow and Barbara Marciniack, cliam to be reptilian and bird like and claim some sort of previous interference which they now want to help put right as it affects with their future too, (By the way I love both these authers)....But I'm just trying to point out that there were and maybe still are not very nice reptilians but they were renegade factions... If we have spiritually eveolved so much in just 100 years imagine how much they have all evolved over 10, 000....??? The Human race on Earth has managed to produce poeple like Hitler, Vlad the Impaler, PolPt, Donald Rumpsfeld etc yet also people like Ghandi, Mandela, Fransis of Asisi even Jesus Christ.... Imagine the diversity of the Universal Human or indeed reptilian?
Never mind the ancient religious or political regimes both of planet and on... Pluss all this False Flag terrorism... I'd imagine we weren't the first to use this techique... so many fabeled universal bad guys may not have been quite like they've been writen down in universal history??
There is nothing more shocking then the cruelty that Earth man is capeable of inflicting on his fellow man and animals and plants etc... look how we treat our battry reared hens and beef... look how we let 3 kids die every second of starvation some were in the world? We cant blame that on reptilian manipulation... Human nature is capable of more cruelty and sadism then any other known being as we have a full spectrum of emotions and there for full empathy yet we still allow such things... ( They according to some don't have this enpathy built in) if we didn't allow all this wrong, it we'd all have chucked in our jobs and chained our selfves to the railings of Embassies and marched en mass on the UN by now etc...
Ok SO.. please please, lay off the reptilians as acollective, give them a break!

Here's a very interesting channelled piece, channeled by Reptilians from ALpha Draconias... yes those supposed BAD guys.... beleive it or not but I think it says it all....:original::original:

http://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://diamondlight.tripod.com/reptilian1.gif&imgrefurl=http://diamondlight.tripod.com/draconis.html&h=167&w=113&sz=5&tbnid=BK93bXf-WERdeM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=67&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dalpha%2Bdraconians&hl=en&usg=__CimmtbD1G0hWdRxTa9TRWXaAUYo=&ei=wu6wSpW5B9_TjAfO3uzABA&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image

Wow...that's a long address... but here's the info below....

When I first had the Reptillian/Draconian Intelligence Energies Come Over me {quite a while back}. I can feel them and tune into them occassionally. In essence what I am attempting to do is take the holographic visual imagery and symbol based languages I have receive through telepathy and translate them into english to create an extended perceptual framework/gyrospectrum lens to overlay our current notions of "reality" and "planetary existence" . I first began to see this Ancient Draconian Claw holding an Egg, this Egg turned into the Earth. What was beheld was a story about Planetary Evolution, Life in the Cosmos and the Design Specifications of all Levels of Creation that was so far more advanced than "HumanitY" acknowledges.

The Reptillian/Draconians seem to be really keen on the concept of "Seed Worlds" the whole Master Geneticist, Planetary and Solar Creator Level Beings stuff. I see them as being very advanced and intelligent but also quite a different stance towards understanding things than humanity does. I myself personally believe that the deepest core secret underneath our religious belief systems, mythological teachings, and scientific inquiries is this truth "The Human Species Ancestry is Stellar".

~^°*§-|^_{§}_^|-§*°^~ Dragon/Serpent/Draconian Archetype | The reptillians species has personified the very most ancient high wisdom through many sectors of this galaxy. The Humans Species has been quite aware of the reptillian presence upon this world throughout ancient times. It is represented in Chinese Mythology, Indian Literature speaks of the 'Nagas', Celtic Artwork expresses many of the Geometric Patternings. Their are myths that all the snakes were driven out of Ireland. The Serpent is present in the Bible as well. Many of these mythological representations and even most of our current understanding of the reptillian species are very incomplete. There definitely seems to be a reptillian presence which has overshadowed this world to a certain degree for billions of years.. I ask you all to consider the origins of the Dragon/Draconian Myth. Towards embracing of a potential that possibly a much greater reality exists. As the dawning of the 21st century unfolds, many of the concepts and internal conceptualizations which we have held onto for so many centuries are becoming outdated and obsolete. Within these times, the energetics of this star system and homeworld {Planet Earth} are changing. Much is underway and on many levels. The 'Draconian Archetype' is returning to the consciousness of many of the inhabitants of this world to lend a hand in opening our perceptual capabilities to a more extended horizon and visualization of not only our individual selves; but our species as well. They have information for us regarding a Trans-Evolutionary Model of Human Development Through Periodic Guided Intervention'. The Draconians are one of the most ancient species within this galaxy. They have in essence become master level Creator Geneticists. They are not the only species which contributed sentience and design specifications to the living systems upon this homeworld which we currently regard as Planet Earth. There were many others, these creator level beings wish for us to acknowledge within our unfodling consciousness that we are ourselves a reflection of those whose image we have been created in. The 'Gods' as we have spoken through our biblical texts and other ancient manuscripts, those who came down from the stars; are returning. Many species have contributed the the sustainment and development throughout time overseeing the evolutionary growth processes upon this world.

06/29/98 - Draconian Writing

I sit here this evening in a receptive state. I am putting out a call to my higher self and my spriit guide archetypes derrick, ethanacy, and korzon. I call upon the Council of Elders, The Wisdom Keepers of All Time, The Galactic Masters and Universal Christ Consciousness. I open my internal antennaes up to be a conscious channel for information that is not only necessary for my own healing but also for that of the planet. I align my chakras and energy centers. I am in Divine Alignment with my Multi-Incarnational OverSoul extensions along the entire linear timeline continuum, upon this world and up into multiple star system levels. I reach my consciousness upwards into my soul and am recptive to Divine Inspiration, through my internal visual gyrospectrum lens scope. I offer a 'Prayer of Gratitude' to the creator of all that is, the Universal Life Force and its Inherent Sentient Intellignece. I am beginning to learn at a deeper level why I am alive at this time and what it has to do with my own souls personal evolutionary development and individualized growth process. I fill my being with empathic feelings of warmth, light and love into up above and raise the earth energies from down below. This earth is my homeworld, I have stated my intentions previously. I would like to deepen my own inner resonlution and strength. I would like to accelerate my personal healing and growth, bringing those levels of my self which our out of balance into alignment. I acknowledge my souls presence in my life, and ask to be overshadowed with the highest source frequency I can attune myself with; towards healing. I fill myself with Unconditional Love, sensing the beauty and sentience/aliveness within creation. I am filled with overwhelming boundariless joy. If there is anyone who wishes to speak to me this evening, I am willing to allow link up with a higher spatial source of intelligence, with the intention to Transduce/Downstep the Visual Information into Englesh. I Ask for Blessings from my Highest Self and Fully Illumined God Source Levels, and open myself up to an Outpouring of Spirit.

Yes, we are here we feel you calling out so strongly; now that you have this direct interface with other people who are also on a spiritual path. You still have some times of significant difficulty overhead and approaching upon your path. This is nothing as surmounting or disheartening as you would like yourself to believe. We come to you this evening as an answer to your request. This hyperspatial source of intelligence is being downstepped through your Oversoul, bubbling upwards from within your subconscious mind; and ultimately forming into a higher level of conceptualization within your consciousness. We would like to reveal to you who we truly are, this tendriling energetic presence that you have occasionally sensed overshadowing you. We are the Reptillians, of the Andromedan-O'rion-Draconian Alliance. We are well aware that any sort of Reptillian Personification or imagery inside your minds and energetic feeling centers may conjure up great fear. For this we apologize, your human species has much hatred towards and misunderstanding of the Reptillian Species. Whether you are willing to acknowledge this or not, we played an integral part in your Creation and Evolution. We do not say this to you in an effort to gain your admiration or for you treat us like 'Gods'. This Transmission is being broadcast from 'Alpha Draconis', which is approximately 37 light years from your star system and homeworld. Daniel, we have been watching over you during this life-time for many years. You have a soul relationship to those who are bringing this communication forward, we have been overseeing your life since you were born into your family lineage. You may not believe this communication that is coming through you. You are well aware, and you felt our overshadowing presence very strongly the other evening. We are with you, your Oversoul Source of Spiritual Guidance and the Council of Elders have given an 'Affirmative' in regards to our 'Work' with you. You yourself put in a request before incarnation to serve as an intermediary in between the spheres as well as a transducer of highly advanced visual conceptualizations and information levels. This will allow you to formulate a clearer understanding of who your species truly is, how your beings were designed to function, and what your place in the Scheme of the Cosmos Is. If any species can Guide you towards understanding 'The Truth' in regards to your species heritage it is 'Us'. The Reptillians may not be well respected by all species in this galaxy, many races fear us. We can assure you we do not mean any harm to your species, those that think we wish to take over your planet are wrong. This is not our intention at all, for we are creators of living systems and planetary homeworlds like the one upon which you reside.

I would like to ask some questions:

What are your wishes for our species. What would you like to see us become?

Now that is the question with which you yourselves must answer. We would like to turn this question around and have you ask yourselves 'What would We - The Human Species wish & intend to see ourselves become'. The Human Species has received the gifts of the 'Creator Level Beings. You are beginning to understand how the universe you exist within operates along many of its functional parameters. Once again, we would like to ask you the same question; what would you like to see your species become? The Destiny which you Manifest depends on the Intentions Set within this moment, and the earnest feeling and intensity of action to manifest that which is desired. Would you like to see your species gain access into the Galactic Federation of Star Systems and Civilized Worlds? As the 21st Century dawns, your minds and imaginations are being captivated by concepts and images that are extending the perceptual ranges you have been confortable to work within for many thousands of years. We know you would like to see your species establish a planetar level Global Governing and Educational Over-Structure to Re-Route the Direction your Entire Developed Level of Civilization is Headed. The one you call 'Gene Roddenberry' was very much in communication with us while he was incarnated into physical form. Where do you think the inspiration for many of your greatest minds has come? These 'VisionS' come from communications with other levels of self as well as beings and species which you do not yet acknowledge exist. There are means of communications used by highly advanced and intelligent beings which your species has just barely begun to conceive of or imagine.

06/29/98 - Reptillian Writings

I am here this evening to serve as a conscious transducer for visual conceptualizations and information from a higher spatial source of intelligence. I align my internal antennaes within and I am Attuned with my Higher Self and Oversoul Source of Spiritual Guidance. I open a space for the Reptillians, if they would like to share their story with the people of Earth; I am willing to serve as an intermediary for this communication.

Yes, we wish to speak this evening. We are very gracious that you have chosen to continue to align yourself with your higher cognitive and perceptual sense, your willingness to 'Be of Service' is admirable; we would like to Thank You for allowing us to communicate with you. We are deeply apprreciative and your tasks shall not remain un-noticed. You may ask us and think to yourself, "How can a reptile be appreciative"? All the thoughts you have regarding the reptillian species presence on your Earth World conjures up images of cold blooded dinosaurs ravaging in times far distant. Also thoughts of warm blooded birds and mammals being devoured by the ferocious ones that existed on your planet in the very distant past. We are here to assist the human species in making an adjustment in your individualized perceptions regarding the Reptillian Species in this Galaxy, and our involvement in the State of Affairs upon your World. We may be a force of fear within your collective psyche, but we would like to stress at this point in time that we do not mean any harm towards your species or towards the living systems on this Earth.

We the Reptiles are the Masters of Biological Systems. Through our Ancience, we have deciphered many of the mysteries of this wonderous creation which your species is beginning to understand you inhabit. This one here has an exceptional ability in translating highly advanced concepts into English that in many ways exist in more than three dimensions. We would definitely like to think, and we would like him to know that he is at the forefront of understnading of the conditions which you humans find yourself within upon this planet. One must remember that Understanding is only one Aspect of Wisdom, without Knowledge of Proper Use understanding has no direction. Previously we informed you that we are not here to destroy your species or to destroy this planet. We are in the process of more directly interceeding into your Collective Consciousnes. We can only offer you certain integral focal points, which if used properly shall allow for your own indivdiualized selves to open your awareness and perceptual scope to a higher and wider octave of coherent thought and vibrational energetic sensitivity. We would like to remind you, we are not a saviour race. In our evolutionary history we have come to understand many things in regards to the processes which underlie the structuralization into form and pattern cohesion within this vast universe.

We, the Reptillian Species; do have some teachings which we wish to reach the mass consciousness of the people of this planet. We feel that the crucial urgency of the times you are within necessitates a more active stance intent on injecting into the collective consciousness, the masses minds on your earth; the Original Cores Essence. We possess information that can assist you in creating within your individualize conceptualization, a basic introductory level understanding of procedures and operations for governing & educational systems that exist across not only multiple star systems but in the case of some species, multiple galaxies. We do not ask you to take this information at face value. Read through the information as we present it, if it resonates within the depths of your soul matrices core and sends energetic shivers over your skin, then you know it has the 'Resonance of Truth' within it.

The story which we wish to share with you is very long indeed. It spans distances in space and lengths of time beyond the understanding level your species has acquired. The technology used by ourselves and other species who are highly intelligent and have developed to a significant enough level to leave the womb of their Homeworld, is indeed impressive. The reptillian Species was created when this Milky Way Galaxy was still in formation. We started our journey over seven billion years ago in your earth time frame of reference. That is seven billion years ago within this galaxy. The reptillian species are one of the most elder species that exist within creation. At least within the creation as we have come to know it. We do not think about ourselves as 'GodS'. Within the Current Conceptualizations your Species Holds within its Mental Frameworks, we would be considered 'God Like'. You can consider your own mythology, those beings human or otherwise who had capabilities that were beyond what the 'Natives' understood were often regarded as 'GodS'. We are here to assist you on one level in re-assessing the images you hold within your consciousnesses in regards to 'GoD', 'Creation', 'Intelligence', and 'Sentience/Life' itself.

One question you may want to ask within yourself is: 'How do you understand something that you can barely even begin to conceive of or imagine? or phrased this way "How can you bring that which is unknown or beyond what you can understand into the light within yourself'? This is the most important question you must ask yourselves. The Solution to what the Human Species Seeks lies herein. Throughout all of the mythological systems on Earth, within the human species belief frameworks; the Serpent/Draconian/Reptillian personification runs rampant and into the depths of the Original Core of Knowledge & Wisdom. In each instance this reptillian personification represnts the very high expression of this 'Original Core'. Your Species now has the Oppurtunity to understand those pieces of the puzzle that your ancient ancestors possessed. That which once existed in its complete wholeness, was subsequently lost, misremembered, fragmented, destroyed, ignored, denied and now almost forgotten is returning to the forefront of your Inquiring Minds. The 'Illumined Core' within the 'Shroud of Mystery' is in the process of being unveiled, awakened from within, and anchored into enough individuals; to make the necessary corrections in your species oversight.

The most significant puzzle pieces that have been forgotten, and that your modern day limited three dimensional sciences can not conceive of or understand, revolves around your true origins. These levels of cogniscience and illumined core truth awareness elude you because of the limited and rigid linear-analytical perceptual framework that the majority within the collective consciousness hold onto as their consensus reality. Your refusual to acknowledge or dissolve the shroud of mystery exists because of deeply rooted fears, held within the energetic matrices that weave together your DNA and Souls. If your species is to decipher this puzzle or matrix which you are beginning to understand you exist within, almost every single concept which you hold dear must be reconstructed. We do not wish to shatter your belief systems, only offer you certain anchor points around which you could potentially co-ordinate the unfolding of that which is destined to be set forth. we are well aware that collective level your planet is already operating at a level which is not conducive to much more strain or tension. Nonetheless, if your species is to make the transition into the next phase of evolutionary development, and bring your civilization up into the next higher levels of organizational complexity; your internal conceptualizations and the images you hold dear must be recombined and re-constructed. Earlier we told you we are not a savior race. In many ways your earth based english language is insufficient to communicate what our true wishes and intentions are for your species. We can assure you that it is within our intention to see that which you have created up until this point, shall be overlaid from within, securing a more highly developed Global Governing & Educational Overstructure onto this world. There are many of you who are aware of certain Reptillian Factions who are working 'Behind the Scenes' so to speak. Many of your minds are filled with Conspiracies regarding the involvement of both the Reptillians and the Zeta-Reticulans in the State of Affairs Upon this World. Sadly, we must say their are factions within all species who align themselves without caring for operational procedures and instructional directives, of the Common; Universal Law.

We the Reptillians operate behind the scenes, we have kept our presence upon this world for the most part significantly shadowed and hidden. To your minds and limited conceptualizations, this may seem to you like we are trying to be sneaky. As we mentioned previously, there is much fear within your collective psyche regarding us, the reptillian species. We do feel as though we have an obligation to you and your species, this homeworld in particular. Within this sector of the galaxy we have continued to keep watch over the evolutionary development of life forms, especially this 'Earth' upon which you reside.

This one Daniel is open to new ideas and extended conceptualizations, as we get deeper into this story it will become apparent to you this our story is indeed not new. Our story is as old as this planets living systems themself.

07/01/98

I am ready to receive/transduce information transmissions from the Alpha Draconians this evening…. I am creating a space within myself to serve as a vessel and conscious channel for informaation received from a higher apatial source of intelligence. I ask to be overshadowed by my oversoul and higherself and that all of my energetic pathways be graced with magnetic protection to any energies which are not in alignment with the most purified and refined unlimited God Source. Greetings we are here, Please relax so that your internal antennae can be adjusted. Await apporoximately five minutes…and then we will begin the teaching for this evening. As you relax, you may feel your energy field being adjusted and moved around your beingness; you also may experience your head moving back and forth or in circles. Please do not be alarmed when you experience this, your internal antennaes are just being rotated and aligned; your gyrospectrum inner visual lens scope is being tuned up. This allows for greater receptivity and higher degrees of clarity.

The gift we bring to the Human Species at this time, We the Reptillians; is what you have been waiting for Daniel. You are in the process of awakening to what shall become 'Omicron Destiny' when the Sacred Circuit Completing the Ancestors/Original Planners Grand Vision. Daniel, now that you have recovered your multi-incarnational soul memories projected all the way back; prior to the flood - during the fall of Atlantis. Your understanding has evolved significantly in the past year or so. You have now become aware that these memories are stored within 'Holographic Storage Modules' which exist within the Quantum Levels of your DNA. You are beginning to understand the existence of a woven interface in between the 'Soul' and Human DNA. We wish to begin this evening by acknowledging the power source which you remember in participating to destroy. Crystalline/Electromagnetic/Gravitational Technology is what the 'Foundation for Omni-Dimensional Science & Spirituality' shall work towards manifesting. We would like to see you regain the base which your species had once developed.

Let us bring you back to the Reptillian front, so we are telling you that our species is over 7 billion years old; and that is seven billion years within this galaxy. What we would like to see you unfold within yourselves this moment; and from this point forward; is a more sophisticated and advanced conceptualization of your position and purpose within the 'Scheme of Things'. The first mental construct or barrier within your collective consciousness and self perception which must be reformulated is your limited notions of living systems. What if we told you that from our perspective, we "The Reptillians'; the entire universe is a living system. Would you take our word. If you acknowledge this as a potential possibility, your species will gain the oppurtunity to shift and rotate your entire perceptual framework and consciousness. The source of the Universal life Force operates and who and how the DNA Molecule Functions is beyond our capability to describe to you in its complete wholeness at this date. We can assure you that your late 20th Century 3-Dimensional Science are only now beginning to understand the inner workings of the Universe and Life Itself. There is much to be learned by your species, and on many levels. You are aware that We, The Reptillian Species are Creator Level Beings/Master Geneticists. We are showing you that we did not create either the Universe or the DNA Molecule, we did not even create ourselves; in the beginning. The reptillian species has conceived with such a holographic scope, many of the vast wonders within creation. We are master-designers, but we still exist within what we have created; The "Ultimate Creator' exists outside of that which has been created.

Think about this: the natural world contains the model to follow. If there is wisdom stored within the genetic code of your deoxyribonucleic acid which your species has barely begun to understand or access, you would be well served to listen to us for one moment at least. We have said before that we, The Reptillians, in no way mean you or your species any harm. We have also stated that we are not a 'Savior Race'. We can offer you teachings with which you may help yourselves. In order for you to alter and deepen your limited notions of what “living systems” are, you must acknowledge the existence of more than three-dimensions. This will allow you to begin to utilize and gain access to your dormant and latent potential capabilities, many of which remain dormant and latent within the design specifications of your being. This is part of your own ancestral mass karma as a species, as well as ours. Backwards in time during the destruction of Atlantis, the reptillian species was partially responsible for the sequence of events as they unfolded. Your Species must in all reality come to acknowledge and accept that there does exist a Galactic Federation of Star Systems and Civilized Worlds. Your Earth, the Human Species and the Development of your Civilization has been overseen and guided since its inception and throughout time.

Daniel, this is part of your multi-incarnational soul contract. You have had a very limited mental awareness and understanding of your purpose for re-incarnating at this critical juncture and point in time within your species evolutionary growth process. You have and are beginning to open yourself up to ideas which will allow your species to understand how, and the ways in which things really work. This is the task you have set out to undetake. Part of your purpose for incarnating is to serve as an Ambassadorial Liason/Intermediary in between the spheres; and the dimensional levels within those realms. The angels and the demons are real. It is time for your species to conceive of things as they really are. The reptillian species has an obligation to the inhabitants of living systems, just as the other species which we work with have certain obligations; and tasks which must be performed. There really are caretakers and overseer’s which watch over the evolutionary development of living systems and the planetary homeworlds that support them. What other purpose would more highly advanced intelligences and more highly evolutionarily developed species have for existing if it were not to be creators/watchers ? The wise serpent in the Garden of Eden did not trick Adam and Eve.

A more than three dimensional perceptual framework will allow your species to overcome the amnesiatic, mis-aligned, and fragmented memories within Humanities Collective Consciousness. Within these times of Awakening, Memory Crystals are being Activated. We would like to remind you that clearly focused intention and the alignment of oneself with the Divine Higher Will is the only way to unfold ones consciousness or make forward progression in alignment with the patterns that exist through and within 'All That Is'. There are a sequence of activations underway, these activations are repatterning the energetic structure of your beingness. These activations are opening your perceptual scopes up to a wider spectrum of vibrational frequencies and sensitivity levels. Activating etheric holographic antennaes, activating dormant genetic coding; firing neurological synaptic signal processing capabilities & dual hemispheric alignment. Divine alignment with immortality shall be reached. I remember who I am. I am a Master Soul Wizard Being, my two main functional archetypes are that of the 'High Priest' and 'Scribe'. I acknowledge and accept this within myself, this is reality. In the name of the ultimate creator level being, which exists beyond the language even I can use to describe; I exist outside of time. I am a shapeshifter, my Aumakua Ancestral Multi-Incarnational Akashic-Etheric Hologaphic Omni-Dimensional Bio-electromagnetic Neurophysiological Structure & Deoxy-RiboNucleic Acid Soul nexxus interfaces rewovenly integrating through and within internested looping matrices of spiraling fractal geometric hyperintelligence. BELIEVE IN YOUR STAR ANCESTRY ! ! !

We the Reptillian Species are the Grandfather Designers of the living systems on Earth and Master Geneticists, trust your intuitive guidance Daniel. You remember when you channeled the linguistic description of the 12 DNA Strand Cosmic Mandala that the intelligence was extremely Reptillian. Yes that was us, we have come back; returned to offer you more. You asked for this gift to be able to give to the Human Species. Your gift is the strength of your ability to linguistically describe visual conceptualizations. You also have a strong capability with many adept characteristics within the scope of your functioning ability. You will begin to learn to hold your balance and focus. You are becoming conscious of your true heritage. This is what your species has been denied for too long. If we, The Reptillians Species, can help you in anyway to turn your concepts of yourselves around; then the purpose of our transmission has been served. Why would the Reptillian Species hold the Hominid Species dear? The reason is you are our children; in the sense that the overseer species we are uses to perceive. We wish to heal our own own ancestral species level mass karma. Once before long ago we took away from your species what all creators hold dear, there was a 'Great War in the Heavens'. This war destroyed living systems across multiple star systems in many sectors of the Galaxy. This is our truth, as we present it to you. We offer you this angle on things to heal your own planet & species ancestral mass karma. This is the way of things on Earth, As In Heaven {so below, as above}. Your species is beginning to grow and become, you are awakening into your powers as creators and the potentials which you possess. What your Species is missing from your understanding is the presence of an overwhelming Universal Law. This Universal law in its simplest forms has been expressed through many of your belief systems. Within the times ahead as the future unfolds, and the challenges your species now must face; you are being asked to maintain supreme integrity over your mental focus and intentions. You have been shown that you can no longer ignore your internal gyrospectrum sensory guidance instrumentation and inner-visual lens scopes. These are the times right now , this moment when the changes must begin to take place within your own self. WE ARE TALKING TO YOU HUMAN BEING, DO YOU NEED TO SEE THINGS AROUND YOU DESTROYED TO WAKE UP ?

THE ANSWER IS NO ! There is urgency in our voice, and in these upcoming transmissions you will be receiving our message is critical. If you do not listen to yourselves and what is being spoken and received through yourselves you will manifest a potential which is not in the highest interests towards continuation of life and civilization. THIS IS NO JOKE ! You can not wait around any longer for the hall of records to be opened, there has been a change in the plans. The mass consciousness of this planet, your Holographic Omni-Dimensional Scopes must be awakened today; RIGHT NOW ! DO NOT EXPECT US OR ANY OTHER SPECIES TO DIRECTLY INTERCEED INTO THE STATE OF AFFAIRS ON YOUR PLANET, AS WE WILL NOT. In order for us to teach the rules, we must follow them ourselves. This is part of our two species dual ancestral karmas, and this is where our trajectories intersect.

Creator Level Beings Exist ! Your species is one of them, this is your GIFT ! In our seven billion years as creator level beings we have learned proper use. We would like you to know that we do not represent the entire reptillian species within creation. We may be thought of as somewhat of a renegade group. We wish for our own evolution to be initiated at a higher level, and the way creation works; we are striving to join forces with the source. We represent a faction of the Reptillian Species which is seeking re-entrance into the Galactic Federation of Star Systems and Civilized Worlds. Our acceptance depends on our success. We know that you are having difficulty discerning truth for non-truth, and are very curious in regards to the veracity of this information. The Galactic Federation of Star Systems and Civilized Worlds is Mainly Hominid Based. Why would we seek entrance into this when we are non-humanoid. It is difficult for us to describe to you why this is so, previously we mentioned to you a great war which spanned multiple star systems and many sectors of this Galaxy. This can be known as the same great war in the heavens of which your bible and other ancient manuscripts speak.

Let us bring you back to the beginning of our transmissions three days ago. As these transmissions deepen so will your understanding of what we are attempting to communicate. You see ,in this process we are learning ourselves. As Ancient, Advanced, and Highly Evloved as “We the Reptillians” are, we are not perfect. The Reptillian Species has made decisions which were in many ways and throughout a vast distance of space and wide scope of time, not to our highest benefit and not to the benefit of many other species. This is why we mentioned but some what skirted around the issue of your fear for us. Your fears are grounded in fact, and reality. This is why we are going through so much trouble to bring these communications to people around your planet, this is our mission shall we say.

Your species has reached a point in its evolutionary growth process where you must learn from your past, and not make the same mistakes as your predecessors. This is the position “We the Reptillians” find ourselves within as well! This is our reason for being here, now we ask you to please not be afraid; like we said previously we do not wish your species or your homeworld any harm. We come to you as representatives of our ancestors, the ones who designed and oversaw the evolutionary development of this homeworld upon which you currently reside. Are and were not the dinosaurs the most ancient species on this earth? Where did dinosaurs come from you should ask yourselves, where did all the higher life forms come from ? YOU MUST ASK YOURSELF – DO YOUR CURRENT NOTIONS OF REALITY AND EXISTENCE TELL YOU THE WHOLE TRUTH; GIVE YOU THE COMPLETE PICTURE – AND WILL THEY ALLOW YOU TO MAKE THE CORRECT DECISIONS ? Look at your continued misuse of the living systems and the building blocks of creation, and yet your understanding deepens! What you are missing is an understanding of their PROPER USE !

We told you previously that we are masters at what we do, we may not be thought of as masters in the terms of the great spiritual masters of your planet. We are masters of many of the wonders of creation nonetheless, yet we already exist in omni-dimensional space; and our science is so far advanced beyond anything you have yet currently imagined. Even with all who we are, your species has much to teach us as well. It may sound strange to you for a species which has existed for seven billion years to divulge this truth, but you have yet to awaken and dawn to the truth that your own species is not limited to this star system. You species heritage is approximately three billion years old. Daniel, here is where your “Trans-Evolutionary Model of Human Development through Periodic Guided Intervention” enters the picture. Here is what sets your own Bi-Pedal Hominid Prototype Vehicles apart from the other Higher Primates. This Truth: Human Evolution Has Not Only Occurred Through Natural Selection But Genetic Recombination of Your De-OxyRibo Nucleic Acid. THIS IS THE TRUTH !

The truth is the reptillians have shown me quite a bit... what I meant to say before was over those 3 nights that I did those writings. I came to understand that the Alpha Draconians that I had established telepathic communication with are a 'renegade group' who are supposedly working on gaining re-entrance into this Federation, which yes is working in their own ways towards alignment with the 'Prime Creator' and 'Original Patterns' or the design specifications that are responsible for the cohesion, structuralization, functioning and operation of the Universe. To our mortal eyes the processes underway within creation, evolution, dissolution, and re-combination are indeed complex. We are beginning to develop and establish advanced theoretical models to assist in forming a clearer understanding of the processes held within the design specifications at all levels of functioning.

The thing which even the 'Alpha Draconians' stressed to me backwards in time and through all of my understanding was the importance of 'Proper Use of this Knowledge and Awareness'. This is the reason why the Extraterrestrial Presence on and within this world. I am not sure whether or not their are other covert agendas behind the scenes... Including other Negative or Aggressive Draconians and Zeta Reticulans working with the Secret Government {this would be something that the man I mentioned at the beginning John Bishop III/TaL is into though}. I am not sure whether or not the 'Great War in the Heavens' is still going on... but I think that things are in truth moving towards higher levels of integration. We have FREE CHOICE & WILL, we have the consciousness, abilities and potential to set our intentions in alignment with what our hearts desire as an individual human being. We also have our Sovereignty as the Human Species, we are collectively suffering from some serious self worth issues. Are we willing to overcome not only our collective amnesia, but face up to the truth that we must greatly re-orient our entire developed level of civlization....

twoRone

09-16-2009, 03:29 PM

lindabaker

09-16-2009, 03:41 PM

From Orthodoxymoron: "What if this universe is just a marble...which a couple of kids are playing with...just like in the movie? " What movie do you mean? Sounds interesting...

eleni

09-16-2009, 04:02 PM

YouTube - Adronis - The Reptilians, Interstellar Travel and the Association of WorldsReps have got a bad reputation! Thanks for that Antonia- that was informative.

Jnana

09-16-2009, 05:01 PM

very cool! I also just purchased a 150+ mw blue ray laser and am going to power it with some lithium cells I have along with a radar and laser detector powered by a 12v lithium pack.. can you comment further on the protocol? I'm really serious about trying this.. is there a particular pulsing or code when using the laser? is there a particular meditation technique?

The gadgetry is really unnecessary. Your thoughts are much more powerful than you may currently be aware of. A laser might be useful for terminal guidance if you have not previously made contact. Once you get into repeat contacts, they know where you are. If there are multiple members in your group, lasers are useful for pointing out the location of a sighting. I'm using a 25 mw green laser and it is plenty strong. Don't point at aircraft! You can get yourself into serious trouble.

The radar detector just gives them another channel for communication. I have not used a radar detector to date, but I'm getting one to try out. One of the first interactions I had after CSETI training involved a smoke alarm in my house - that's what initially woke up my wife to the reality of the whole thing.

Meditation should center around universal peace, healing of the earth, healing of the people of earth, oneness of a intelligent life, and love for all life. I find it important to express gratitude to the visitors for taking the time to interact with us. Expand your thoughts to encompass as large an area as possible, send your thoughts into space and seek contact. Once you feel contact has been made, invite them to visit you and zoom into your location on earth to show where that is (you can use Google Earth to learn what this looks like). Describe your location and what devices you will be using to indicate your presence. Repeat. The most important aspect of all this is your good intentions and desire for peaceful interaction. Projecting loving and joyful feelings helps. Fear and frustration will negate your efforts.

You may have better results after commercial air traffic dies down, typically after midnight. For me, lately, it doesn't seem to matter.

You may initially be thinking in terms of "wow, I just want to see something". However, if you can establish a relationship you can work on new levels of communication. Start by asking to see something a little different from what they are showing you. You may get an immediate response, or you may see what you requested the next time you go out under the stars. I have found the beings I interact with to be very generous when it comes to reasonable requests, although I sometimes feel like a teenager testing the bounds of what is reasonable. Now that we've worked out "yes" and "no" signals, it is easy for them to tell me "no"!

orthodoxymoron

09-16-2009, 06:01 PM

From Orthodoxymoron: "What if this universe is just a marble...which a couple of kids are playing with...just like in the movie? " What movie do you mean? Sounds interesting...

I don't remember. I saw it on TV a long time ago. It was a typical struggle to save the universe from destruction movie...and finally after overcoming horrendous and impossible challenges...the universe is saved by the hero! Unfortunately...the camera zooms out to the point where the universe turns out to be a marble which a couple of kids are playing with. Sort of a tempest in a teapot!

Could we all be living in a universe which is nothing more than a zit on the face of some geek named Lenny? The horror! Is this why the government is lying to us? Do we really want 'Disclosure'? Lenny! Don't pop that zit!! Oh...go ahead! There's a parallel universe in the zit on the other side of your face!

tone3jaguar

09-16-2009, 06:27 PM

yo tone3,

very cool! I also just purchased a 150+ mw blue ray laser and am going to power it with some lithium cells I have along with a radar and laser detector powered by a 12v lithium pack.. can you comment further on the protocol? I'm really serious about trying this.. is there a particular pulsing or code when using the laser? is there a particular meditation technique?

thanks Brad..

2R1

The meditation aspects of the protocol which can be learned by listening to the CD's available at the CSETI web site have all the information you need to make contact. While the visualization aspects of the meditation are not overly complicated, there is a definate chain of events in the meditation that need to be followed to establish coherent communication with the off world ships of light.

If I posted up the entire protocol it would take me a few hours to type up. The lasers only work if you have already opened up communication with your consciousness and through visualization have shown the ET's generally where you are on the Earth. The mantra meditation combined with the remote viewing technique that Greer teaches enables you to actually remote view cites on other planets and UFO's on the other side of the Galaxy.

I would say that if you really want to get the contact dialed in, then you need to listen to the CD's. He describes verbally way better than I ever could on a few forum posts. He also has the protocols in written form in his new book. However, you really need to hear the mantra to get it all to work.

You can find the CD, and the book on how to do it all by CLICKING HERE (http://www.disclosureproject.org/shop.htm), and scroll down to the bottom of the page where you will find them. You need both the Hidden Truth Forbidden Knowledge CD, and also the cosmic consciousness CD.

Antonia

09-16-2009, 06:36 PM

Thanks Elini... never knew about Adronis...will go listen to some more of his channeled stuff on youtube....:original:

Orthodoxymoran... it all reminds me of the words of Tom waits and others in the great song "Heart attack and VIne".......
.............Don't you know there ain't no Devil... that's just God when he's drunk....

orthodoxymoron

09-16-2009, 06:37 PM

Is the following video accurate? Really...I don't care what other races look like. They probably think we're ugly! I just don't want them to rule over us, enslave us, deceive us, mutilate us, make us worship them, dumb us down, abduct us, experiment on us, terrorize us, rape us, kill us, or eat us. Is that too much to ask? Are these beings our Gods? Do they hate us? Were we their Gods in ancient universal history? Is much of Earth history really 'pay-back time'? Are the reptilians getting even with the humans? I really and truly don't know...but I wonder. The reps in the video look like they could really kick our @$$! I wouldn't want to fight with them! Would you?
I think the universe should move beyond Gods and Satans...and just get along. Why is this so hard? I'm thinking that God and Satan are the same being...at least here on Earth. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Just ask Lord Acton, Lord Draco, and Lord God Almighty.YouTube - )Â·)Â·)-_ The Reptilian Race _-(Â·(Â·(

Antonia

09-16-2009, 07:20 PM

How de we know these are facts?? Just because it's printed in green on a fear enducing youtube video? I'm just asking this because there is so much deception out there and the reptilians are great scape goats for everthing?
I'm sure there are and have been reptilians who eat kiddies and terrorise and controle and manipulate humans and who knows may be each other... BUT there are an have been humans who do all that...Canabiliasm etc was rampent in New Guinni and New Zealand and look at all the great Empires... that survived on controle, enslavement, torure, cruelty... all very human. aaccording to David Ike some humans still eat human flesh in Satanic rituals.. Who are the humans venrating and trying to contact and apease here in these Satanic rituals? Yes the lower 4th dimentional reptilian entities, sure but it's us contacting them not the other way round ....We have to take responsability as a race for our collective cruelty and weaknesses as well as our collective brillaince and wonder....
Just because some lower 4th dimentional reptilian entity who feeds of fear signals to say, you, Orthodoxymoran, for example... "GO Sacrifice a baby to me!"
And you get an image in your head are you , going to do that??? Hell NO!
I definatley believe in mind control but it's alot harder to manipulate a person then you think... Thats why the black opps people have to take kids and traumatise them from birth and fracure their phsyche's after years of abuse and experimentation , before they are mind contriole slaves??? Even then it doesn't always work!
I think it's must easier to just dumb us down so we are sleep walking and don't think through electromagnetic fequencies...
But remember most of the Black ops worst experiments were done by humans to try and be like the ET's and have their capacity and technoligy?
There are some highly dangerous controling sadistic Nordics other humans from Alpha draconas and Orion who are up to just as bad things as those bad reptilians from round there... But once again look at the continent of Africa for example.. We got Ide Amin and Nelson Mandela? Not all Lizzards are bad Lizzards... some are nice guys who want to help.. that all I'm saying

orthodoxymoron

09-16-2009, 07:26 PM

I agree Antonia. We may need benevolent reps and greys to help us fight malevolent reps and greys. They probably want to be free...just like us. But I am very wary of deception and manipulation.

Jnana

09-16-2009, 07:44 PM

Antonia - thanks for being a voice of reason. :thumb_yello:

tone3jaguar

09-16-2009, 08:18 PM

14 Chakras

09-16-2009, 08:47 PM

Thanks Ortho for providing some important balance here when it comes to discussing ET's .

Rather than all of us going out there and following Mr. Greer in attempting to connect and welcome ETs here regardless of the many many many whistleblowers and facts that show us he's completely, and totally deceived in believing that's totally safe and ET's all have our best interest at heart.

I'm still unclear how people can be faced with so much overwhelming evidence from whistleblowers and personal experiences that are shared, yet remain steadfast that we should all be going and connecting with our local et and offering them to come here and be involved in our evolution. It reekes of mind control / manipulation / matrix programming to me. We all think we are immune to it, but we're all victims of it to one degree or another, we're in a matrix after all. My experiences shows me pride is often what stops us from seeing through it.

ET's already are very involved. They run our media, government, DUMB's, war machines, mind control, chemtrails, flouride, religions, haarp, the matrix itself. They manipulated and dumbed down our divine bodies long ago and wish for us to choose to continue to look outside ourselves for solutions at this time so that we again fail our cosmic initiations and their food source remains solid.

You mentioned discernment tone, I see discernment being thrown right out the window here when you say stuff like the above comment. Have you seen the Icke interview with Arizona Wilder? I've met people that have physical experiences that back up what she said.

To believe that ET's are all benevolent and are here to help us humans who just can't seem to get along is using zero discernment in my opinion.

We either connect to the spiritual realm, and evolve that way, or we connect to ET's and remain food and many of us lose our souls completely eventually as food to these things, and then.... because God is merciful, we go through this whole exercise AGAIN in the next timeline until we get it right.

I'm personally tired of going round and round and I'm committed that this is the timeline we finally shake off the alien overlords which are in leadership roles of virtually all aspects of society, and let God within humanity bring forth the new earth that is ready to be born at this time... The power is within YOU to change, shift and bring forth the solutions that are necessary for planet earth at this time.

In order to access this divine love based power, you will need to connect to the I AM within you, the spiritual realm within you, beyond the illusions of the ego, rather than ET's flying around wanting us to join their club.

I respect all those in this forum, I'm personally looking forward to the day that we take the blinders off, break free from the matrix and realize that the spiritual hierarchy, God's hierarchy is what is necessary at this time rather than going through the same kind of **** that has gone on the last couple of times we tried this in the last timelines when the ET's continue to run the show for the majority... I don't want to have to do this all over again, do you?

orthodoxymoron

09-16-2009, 09:28 PM

Have a lot of people throughout history taken the "if you can't beat 'em...join 'em" approach? Is this logic at the heart of the Illuminati, Vatican...and even people like Steven Greer? Have they raised the white-flag in exchange for certain rewards? We may be dealing with an almost insurmountable challenge...but we should base our decisions upon principles and concepts of the highest levels of ethics. Would true disclosure amount to Obama saying "Good evening fellow Americans. Reptilian beings are our Gods. 90% of us will be exterminated by them. The rest of us will engage in slave-labor for them...on Earth, the Moon, and Mars...for the rest of our lives...lifetime after lifetime. The following video will disclose what they look like. Good night. God bless you...and God bless the United States of America."

Jnana

09-16-2009, 09:50 PM

I'm still unclear how people can be faced with so much overwhelming evidence from whistleblowers and personal experiences that are shared, yet remain steadfast that we should all be going and connecting with our local et and offering them to come here and be involved in our evolution. It reekes of mind control / manipulation / matrix programming to me. We all think we are immune to it, but we're all victims of it to one degree or another, we're in a matrix after all. Pride is often what stops us from seeing through it.

The mind control program I'm concerned with is the one that leads us into war in space - all of the earth against "evil ETs" - a military coup of global proportions. There is plenty of evidence that this is a real plan, and that the public has been conditioned to believe that ETs are scary and threatening. Hollywood has done its part, as some "whistleblowers". Most of the whistleblowers on Camelot describe ETs as either non-threatening, compassionate, pleasant to be around, or some combination thereof. Who's in the matrix here?

ET's already are very involved. They run our media, government, DUMB's, war machines, mind control, chemtrails, flouride, religions, haarp, the matrix itself. They manipulated and dumbed down our divine bodies long ago and wish for us to choose to continue to look outside ourselves for solutions at this time so that we again fail our cosmic initiations and their food source remains solid.

Humans are responsible for these ills. Don't make excuses for them. TPTB would love to not be held responsible because "some outside force" made them do it. It's part of the program to distract attention away from the real culprits - people. Also, I don't know anyone who has been eaten.

We either connect to the spiritual realm, and evolve that way, or we connect to ET's and remain food and many of us lose our souls completely eventually as food to these things, and then.... because God is merciful, we go through this whole exercise AGAIN in the next timeline until we get it right.

Interaction with ETs is in no way similar to connecting to the spiritual realm. The first is making friends, the second is personal growth. I don't see how making friends with another intelligent spiritual being is in any way harmful to spiritual growth. These being operate under the same universal laws and connect to the spiritual realm just as we do. You are making them into either gods or devils. They are neither.

I'm personally tired of going round and round and I'm committed that this is the timeline we finally shake off the alien overlords which are in leadership roles of virtually all aspects of society, and let God within humanity bring forth the new earth that is ready to be born at this time... The power is within YOU to change, shift and bring forth the solutions that are necessary for planet earth at this time.

The battle is not with alien overlords. It is our own animal nature and selfishness that we must overcome. The battle is inside, not outside. Other than that, I agree with you here.

twoRone

09-16-2009, 10:41 PM

The meditation aspects of the protocol which can be learned by listening to the CD's available at the CSETI web site have all the information you need to make contact. While the visualization aspects of the meditation are not overly complicated, there is a definate chain of events in the meditation that need to be followed to establish coherent communication with the off world ships of light.

If I posted up the entire protocol it would take me a few hours to type up. The lasers only work if you have already opened up communication with your consciousness and through visualization have shown the ET's generally where you are on the Earth. The mantra meditation combined with the remote viewing technique that Greer teaches enables you to actually remote view cites on other planets and UFO's on the other side of the Galaxy.

I would say that if you really want to get the contact dialed in, then you need to listen to the CD's. He describes verbally way better than I ever could on a few forum posts. He also has the protocols in written form in his new book. However, you really need to hear the mantra to get it all to work.

You can find the CD, and the book on how to do it all by CLICKING HERE (http://www.disclosureproject.org/shop.htm), and scroll down to the bottom of the page where you will find them. You need both the Hidden Truth Forbidden Knowledge CD, and also the cosmic consciousness CD.

thanks Tone3 .. I have both CDs already.. the mantra is quite different :thumb_yello:

thanks again.. and thanks for responses from other posters:original:

Antonia

09-16-2009, 10:49 PM

All very true Jnana... Except our selfish nature is human not animalistic. No animal kills purely for pleasure... they kill for food...and survival. Only the human is capeable of Sadism. We have such a huge range of emotions too as a race... aren't we supposedly a mixture of over 21 species of ET?
With the reptilian skeleton and base brain?
So all this DNA makes that little part of us that is what ever said ET race, easy to activate, and yes, manipulate by vibrational scaler waves or what ever corosponding energy frequency, but it is just a tiney bit. We have 21 other ET DNA codings that are not the same fequency... so surely that makes us harder to controle then a pure ET from their own race?
Of course various factions have tried and succeeded in manipulations in the past, they all admit it, in all the channeled works... But the human Black ops guys have taken that technolegy to it's utter limit... The human in charge of such knowledge and technolagy seems totally leathol, as we have such schitso personalities, we are far more devious and contived and power hungry then any of the past manevolent ET's who all seemed to have self serving agenda's ... but even if we were created or genetically altered in to a Slave race for the Annunaki, they let us live with a lot of freedom in little organised cumunities... Laying down stiff laws to try and keep us in check to stop us completely killing, pillaging, plundering and raping each other
E.I. The tale of Sodom and Gomorah?
The Annunaki sent Angels (Watchers) to try and find ten rightious men as the place had gone mad on pedophilia, human sacrifice, murder, rape etc... The Angels(Watchers) stayed with Lot and the people of the town came and dragged them out and raped them. Lot even offered his virgin daughters instead, but no... the ET's got it!
They were mighty ****** and nuked the place after ... but here is an example of humans running riot with their own human natute and raping ET controlers
When humans took slaves they were chained and whipped etc.... So you see humans have always done what bad ET does but only they do it far better, if you get my drift. we are far better at being bad!! You would understand why we would be put in quarintine before joining the galactic community and have to prove our trustworthyness, maybe the ET's created the monster, and now they are karmicly bound to see it out till the end...
But the good side to all of this is because we are so diverse and are DNA mixes of so many ET species out there, who are responsible for us in their own heads, we are the new future, the little trump card that the Prime Creator had up her sleve. if all goes well, an ingenious hybred creation.
If we can learn to take our own soverignty as a given, learn to use our amaizing range of emotion and DNA energy signiture frequencies and re-connect our original 12 strand DNA...and we evolve and lift our selves and our planet up in to a golden age and new higher density, we lift that fraction of Et energy which corresponds with what ever faction of ET or race... SO we incredibly can be the insrtument of the ET, creators own evolution too, the hundred monkey effect...
At the end of the day we are all one . there is no seperation, and we are all on our journey back to Source/God/prime Creator
But now that the truth is out there, the lifting of the viel is finally upon us, the manipulation can no longer work... We have to stop wineing and blaming the past and the dark kabal and the bad ET's... We need to stand proud and free and show compasion and forgiveness to each other and the Negitive ET's and dispell all fear and become the creators of our realities and the masters of our own destiny, and we can do this be simply realising that we can...

"We are the ones we've been waiting for"

tone3jaguar

09-16-2009, 11:10 PM

[QUOTE=14 Chakras;169490]I'm still unclear how people can be faced with so much overwhelming evidence from whistleblowers and personal experiences that are shared, yet remain steadfast that we should all be going and connecting with our local et and offering them to come here and be involved in our evolution. It reekes of mind control / manipulation / matrix programming to me. We all think we are immune to it, but we're all victims of it to one degree or another, we're in a matrix after all. My experiences shows me pride is often what stops us from seeing through it.

When some guy on the internet who is good at telling stories and has never had to prove that they are who they have said they are sits in front of a camera and proclaims that there are negative et's and they do this and that to us, that is not overwhealming evidence. That is good story telling. The actual people that are deep on the inside know that the negative ET's stories are all a myth because they created it. Good job goes out to Majestic for creating yet another make believe enemy of the people. First the Nazis, then the communists, then the muslims and now the ET's.

ET's already are very involved. They run our media, government, DUMB's, war machines, mind control, chemtrails, flouride, religions, haarp, the matrix itself.

Again you are grouping all extra dimensionals into the category of ET. The beings responsible for conspiring with the people who have done this are not from other planets, they are from other dimensions / universes. This makes them ED not ET.

They manipulated and dumbed down our divine bodies long ago and wish for us to choose to continue to look outside ourselves for solutions at this time so that we again fail our cosmic initiations and their food source remains solid.

Another myth generated by majestic to prevent people from ever finding out just how intelligent and powerful they actually are.

You mentioned discernment tone, I see discernment being thrown right out the window here when you say stuff like the above comment. Have you seen the Icke interview with Arizona Wilder? I've met people that have physical experiences that back up what she said.

These two people are not insider whistle blowers. They are galactic conspiracy theorists. Just because some of there material is true, this does not automatically make the rest of it true. I have already said what I think of Icke's stories about the reptilians earlier in the thread and I dare anyone to "prove" me wrong. Not beat me over the head with great detailed fiction, actually prove to me that there are mysterious creatures running the world that defy the laws of physics and physiology in our dimension of consciousness.

We either connect to the spiritual realm, and evolve that way, or we connect to ET's and remain food and many of us lose our souls completely eventually as food to these things, and then.... because God is merciful, we go through this whole exercise AGAIN in the next timeline until we get it right.

Again, you are grouping extra dimensionals into the category of ET.

In order to access this divine love based power, you will need to connect to the I AM within you, the spiritual realm within you, beyond the illusions of the ego, rather than ET's flying around wanting us to join their club.

I don't get it, you are saying that the way to connecting with the creator is to focus on yourself instead of focusing on being one with all of the creations in the universe? How does that work?

eleni

09-16-2009, 11:44 PM

"ET's already are very involved. They run our media, government, DUMB's, war machines, mind control, chemtrails, flouride, religions, haarp, the matrix itself."

Do we know for sure the globalists are involved with ET's aside from secret government?

The Elitists drink flouridated water and eat GMO foods....they are also subject to chemtrails, HAARP, and the destruction of the planet.

That's why I ask myself sometimes- do they even know? Or is there some evil 4th dimensional puppeteer running a select few and the select few are unaware or are subject to mind control orders as well?

Who really doesn't want us to progress spiritually as a species? Is is greedy earth humans? Humans controlled by other dimensional forces? ET's, DE's (my term for dimensional entities)- is most of the info coming out of alternative media a disinfo campaign made to distract us and scramble our senses?

is Astral Walker correct about breaking out of the Matrix? What if the superwave doesn't happen? How can we break free of the cycles put into this Matrix programming? Should everyone study Bardo Thodol? Can that help us?

Of course everyone says start with yourself, but does anyone else not want to end up back on this planet in what is seemingly endless cycles of reincarnation? Can't we humans who want to live on a clean planet based on love, equality, harmony and spiritual growth just move to the peaceful part of the galaxy? I want that- I don't want to be on a warfaring planet .

tone3jaguar

09-17-2009, 01:07 AM

I am beginning to see how fully infiltrated the lies have become in the alternative media culture. Simply amazing. What will all of you do when the negative ET's never materialize? I can see the statements now.

"Did you see the reptilians? They have disguised themselves as beings of light and have stolen luminious craft to fool us all! AHHHHHHHHH"

CHOOSE YOUR UNIVERSE! WHICH IS IT GOING TO BE? THE HOSTILE VERSION OR THE PEACEFUL ONE? IT IS UP TO YOU WHICH ONE YOU END UP EXISTING IN.

eleni

09-17-2009, 03:35 AM

The Revelation of All Things As One:
The Root of All Experience
As one, completely free of attributes,
the yogin is like the flight-path of a bird in the sky;
in the unstructured, unoriginated, matrix
how can there be any inflated projections?

eleni

09-17-2009, 03:35 AM

orthodoxymoron

09-17-2009, 02:36 PM

Orthodoxy, no offence but you do not seem to be absorbing any of the positive information posted in this thread. I am not saying that you should stop posting your opinion, but you need to let go of this paradigm you are living in where all of the si-fi stories you have heard from XYZ the channeler or self proclaimed profit named so and so are true. You seem to be wrapped up in a fictional world of make believe.

You don't know what I have or have not absorbed. I am merely presenting an alternative perspective. Avalon isn't a church...with credal statements and tests of faith. It is a philosophical smorgasbord. I don't really hit it off with anyone...because I am always trying to think outside of the box...and think in a somewhat contrarian manner. People (and aliens?) are annoyed by this. When people (and aliens?) make statements...they desire support and agreement. Bosses wish to be obeyed...not questioned. Well...I question everyone and everything...and I will continue to question everyone and everything...including you. I am not ready to rush out and conjure-up UFO's.

By the way...I am very suspicious of Hollywood, Prophets, Channelers, Preachers, Gods, Satans, Lucifer, Politicians, Humans, Reptilians, Greys, Myself, etc, etc, etc.

I am living in a very unstable world of considering everything...and questioning everything. I've been badly burned by the people and deities I trusted most. My mind is made up on very little. My mind is a huge question-mark. This wrecks heck with mental health...but it seems to be the most honest approach. I'm not trying to be happy or trying to gain approval. I just want the truth...even if it drives me completely insane. I'm half-way there already. I also suffer from analysis-paralysis. YouTube - "V" - Pilot Episode Clip #2 - VisitorSite.net

tone3jaguar

09-17-2009, 04:16 PM

Orthodoxy, like I said, I do not want to discourage you from posting your opinion. Just wondering why you seemed to be so focused on the worst case scenario. You should consider a consistent practice of some sort of meditation. This will empty the mind of information at the surface and allow for a more relaxed discerning perspective to analyse things from. I am not saying that you should believe anything that I say or Greer says or Icke says or Kerry says. You should form your own opinion free of the influence of others. Especially others who have stories that invoke emotions of anxiety and fear. I am agreeing with Greer's observations on these matters because I have participated in the omnipresent remote viewing protocols of contacting the craft. If you are clean emotionally no one from this planet or any other is going to be able to trick you into believing a false truth.

tone3jaguar

09-17-2009, 04:17 PM

I would also like to remind everyone that the original movie V came out before all of these self made profits started spouting off about reptilians running the world. The chicken did come before the egg on this matter.

orthodoxymoron

09-17-2009, 05:47 PM

An airline captain needs to be focused on worse-case scenarios and emergency-procedures...in order to have response-ability. When I fly on an airliner...I don't want a positve-thinking pilot. I want a pilot who is prepared for the worst. I don't want empty-your-mind meditation. I don't want to sing Kumbaya. I just want the truth. I don't think that I am overly paranoid when I regularly make somewhat chummy and disrespectful comments to Lucifer...a being who I truly believe exists...and who is very likely at the top of the pyramid in this world, solar-system...and possibly the universe. Siriusly.

Prior to WWII...outside of the Vatican...I'm not sure there were very many people who knew much about reptilians. Did things really get ugly in 1979? Is this when the PTB realized that they were not in control...and that they probably never had been in control? Is this why the negative ET movies and TV series really kicked-in during the 80's? I suspect that the top level of the PTB always knew they were simply puppets. Did Pope John Paul I tell Lucifer to go to hell late in 1978? Did JPI set things in motion which led to the Dulce Wars in 1979? Did Giza Intelligence relocate to the Moon in 1979? Were they forced off-planet? Are they the best of the dark factions of humans, reptilians, and greys? Are there any light factions of humans, reptilians, and greys who have any real power? The shadow-government knows.

eleni

09-17-2009, 07:11 PM

Yes, there are benevolent factions of ET's and interdimensional/extradimensional beings- but I think they would be evolved enough not to get in contact with our globalists/PTB etc; no?

If you were advanced race would you want contact with our warmongering PTB?

Antonia

09-17-2009, 09:21 PM

I believe that the negitive entities ET's ED's what ever are small yet effective factions. There seems to two major players who are united in their attempts to infiltrate and mess about with Earthees... but at odds with each other, off Earth.... BUT I'm also open to the idea, that this story ,which is more or less the same story from all whistle blowers and channells could be manafactured by the really evil and manipulitive Black opps /Dark kabal/Illumanati/ blaa blaa's... who are Earthees, trying to emulate ET technolagy with bits of technolagy either bartered or stolen from ET's.. to make us think they are all powerfull and have big bad strong ET's backing them, so we will fear them and think they are more effective at Planetery resources and person control ...Ie how can little old us rise up an figjht rhem if they have Big Bad ET... backing them? It could all be a mind F...ck?
If they exist they are a bit like Al Quaeda... the minions haven't a clue who they are really working for and the whole thing is a false flag type thing?
But..deep down I know there has been so much ED/ET interferance in the past but that was because we believed the **** we were told and were all slaves of religion and government lies etc... Now we know the truth or various versions of the truth we are no longer controlable or easy to manipulate
With our higher vibrational DNA activation and our Pineal activations, sure at first we are picking up much more frequencies but after a few years we've learned to controle and decern those enrgies... We are soverign and when we move up the dail in to higher light vibration and banish all fear? Nothing can control us or touch us... Lower vibrational ET is useless.... and what's the worst that could happen? They kill us? We just move in to a higher light state and are more effective at despelling them on the 4th and 5th dimention?
I believe most ET contact is benevelent now... There are gaurdian races watching over us with none interventionist policies but they still slip us the odd clue and a few startagies and defence material through the back door..
I think the Dark ET's are cornered and on the run but trapped here...
They will have no choice but to swap sides or leave....
The NWO is rattled and trying to enforce a very shody end game stratagy, haphazerdly and we see through it?
Are you Americans really going to allow forced vaccinations and bus loads to the FEMA camps?? Even your own military are refusing to enforce this?
The NWO will take them selves down by their own pannicked attept of their end game plan...even the thickest most asleep sheep person will see through them very soon as we hit the end of the 6th Mayan night. and energy and DNA qucikened yet again....
Do not fear Orthodoxymoran... If you could see , even your astal body right now, the strength and power of your light body how it has grown... You can take out negitive ET in an instant, but you wouldnt as you are compasionate as well as strong... It's all going to be OK, bumby, shakey yet exilerating..
Like BILl Hicks said... It's only a ride!"
We belong to the Earth, not she to us... and the same goes for ET's if they want to help with her transformation fine but if not...they know were to stick them selves!! (thats what my reptilain guide says...and she's a good guy!)

orthodoxymoron

09-17-2009, 10:31 PM

Thank-you Antonia. That was a thoughtful and profound comment. In a sense...I don't really care who is responsible for messing things up. I just want this solar system to be a safe and happy place for all races...as long as they are benevolent and constructive. Some beings...human and otherwise...may have to leave for a while...until they become benevolent and constructive. I'm not into damnation, fire, and bottomless-pit scenarios...for any beings...even the truly demonic ones. I'm naive enough to think that 'where there's life...there's hope'. Ashayana Deane would probably disagree...and she may be right. Perhaps softies like me are why we are in this mess. Perhaps some serious butt-kicking should have occurred millions or billions of years ago. I don't know.

I don't believe in the good-guys leaving this solar system. I want the bad-guys to become good-guys...or leave. I want all of the mothers to board a mothership...and leave. The United States of the Solar System: Love or Leave. Do the bad-guys want to trick the good-guys into leaving (to go to 'Heaven')? Is 'Heaven' a cruel lie? I'm thinking we need to transform this solar system into 'Heaven'. Aliens (who may in fact be natives) should obviously be able to live throughout the solar system...as long as they are benevolent and constructive. I don't care what aliens look like or act like...as long as they are benevolent and constructive. Can't we all just get along?

I'm not waiting for a savior...and I'm not leaving Earth...except to visit the Pluto-Dudes. :original:

tone3jaguar

09-18-2009, 12:18 AM

[QUOTE=orthodoxymoron;169755]An airline captain needs to be focused on worse-case scenarios and emergency-procedures...in order to have response-ability. When I fly on an airliner...I don't want a positve-thinking pilot. I want a pilot who is prepared for the worst.

Man, I don't want to be sitting next to any plane you are riding on. I will take the pilot who is visualizing a trouble free flight. You know what the blue angels do before a stunt show or practice? Deep meditation and visualization of a perfect flight. You don't believe me? They show this in the HD blue angels movie.

Being able to react if something goes wrong is good. Focusing on things that might go wrong just manifests things going wrong around you.

orthodoxymoron

09-18-2009, 03:39 AM

Jnana

09-18-2009, 01:27 PM

Is the majority of flight-simulator time spent vegetating through trouble-free flights? I don't think so. The pilots are practicing dealing with emergencies. Does an ER physician simply visualize normal, uninjured people? No. They consider all manner of emergency situations...and practice triage. I have heard of a doc performing a tracheostomy with a ball-point pen in a dire emergency. This is not touchy-feely visualize-bliss stuff. It's not pleasant...but it is very necessary. No primrose-path for me.

Have you noticed that EVERY CONCEIVABLE DISASTER has been piled onto 2012? Floods, earthquakes, tidal waves, ice age, melt down, pole shift, asteroid impacts, etc., etc., etc. On top of that we have mind control, depopulation, tyranny, etc., etc., etc. Have fun with that! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE (eventually).

You cannot see where you are headed if you are only looking at what you are trying to avoid. You can't get guideance from your higher self if you are always looking down. This guideance is what we all need most at this time.

When my daughters were much younger and playing soccer, it was common for the forwards to focus on the goaly - the main thing they were trying to avoid when shooting for a goal. It was very common for the shot to go straight to the goaly. Guess why.

I have an engineering background and I understand worst case analysis. This only matters after you have figured out what it is your are trying to achieve. What might that be? Please share your vision.

TraineeHuman

09-20-2009, 03:40 AM

There’s a big problem any time anybody engages in too much speculation or theory with too little experience. Whatever conclusions they come to will almost certainly be wrong. Obviously so – or, at least, this should be quite obvious to all.

Such individuals have far too little experience. To put it mildly. That means they have access to far too little evidence, far too little reality, to ever be proved wrong, to their own satisfaction. So what does their ego do? “Because the evidence to say I’m wrong is way too insufficient (as far as I’m aware), that means I must be about 100% right. Everything I claim and “had suspected” must be right in fact, and in great detail, pretty much. Every time I repeat my position, I notice ever more strongly how little evidence there is to disconfirm even a tiny detail of it.” The mind, and the imagination, sure is an extraordinary thing.

Obviously, two such individuals can then be led by their egos to positions which are in total opposition to what each other says – and still both insist it’s been thoroughly “proved” that they’re ever so right!

Tone3jaguar and Jnana both suggest getting involved in some form of contact with ETs. At least then, individuals will have a tiny bit of real experience, or a tiny bit more of it. I’d like to go further and make a suggestion for those individuals who truly are psychically gifted (probably less than 10% of people over 40, but maybe 50% of people under 25, because they’re the Indigo Star Seed generation). (“You know who you are, if you’re one of these gifted individuals.”) You might like to participate in a joint psychic exercise with benevolent alien confederations of thousands of planets. I know that sounds crazy, and I initially believed it was delusional even after seeing objectively verifiable photos and other objective evidence that such exercises have been successful on a number of occasions. And I’m clairvoyant, and on a psychic level I kept getting info that these exercises were real and successful.

One of the groups that I know of that conducts such exercises has the following mailing list address:

drrichboylanreports@yahoogroups.com

or you could also try:

www.drboylan.com

They recently conducted an exercise to render the genetics in you know which "vaccine" ineffective. There are at least two other such groups, each working with different benevolent intergalactic confederations again, that I’ve noticed some reference to in PC material. But I’m not sure who they’ll accept as participants in their exercises, so I won’t give details of those.

Let me mention also that even if you are naturally psychic, it takes lots and lots of daily practice to fine-tune such a skill. It’s like being a tennis player or a football player etc etc. If you want to have a professional level of accuracy, you need a professional amount of daily practice. By the way, reaching spiritual enlightenment doesn’t make you psychically gifted at all, unless you already were that way before your enlightenment. The only exception to that is that enlightenment does make you a natural psychic healer.

My (protected) intuition tells me it's OK to reveal the above info at this time. The "bad guys" apparently are really losing power now.

tone3jaguar

09-20-2009, 12:36 PM

You might like to participate in a joint psychic exercise with benevolent alien confederations of thousands of planets.

That is what the CSETI protocols are. They use an ancient vedic mantra to max out the frequency of the entire contact group. This is followed by a meditation where you connect to all of the planets and galaxies in the universe and send the message out that you would like to communicate and why. You use the collective consciousness of the group to psychically connect to the other civilizations. The collective consciousness of any group will be equal to the square of the number of people participating. For example if you have 10 people it is the same as 100 individuals doing the work on their own. The square of 10 is 10X10=100

Jnana

09-20-2009, 12:59 PM

Tone3jaguar and Jnana both suggest getting involved in some form of contact with ETs. At least then, individuals will have a tiny bit of real experience, or a tiny bit more of it.

I would expand on that a bit and say, no matter what it is you are most interested in knowing about, seek knowledge through direct experience. Websites and second hand accounts might help a bit to get you started, but with all esoteric knowledge, the only way to really know anything is to experience it yourself. Often this involves finding a teacher, or at least someone a little further along than yourself. Not everyone is interested in interacting with ETs, but most people are interested in the future. Why not learn to remote view for yourself? If you are interested in what is out there and want to go see, learn how to have out of body experiences. I suspect there are a number of adepts who are members here, but there are many who are simply curious. Explore your passion.

orthodoxymoron

09-20-2009, 02:04 PM

I think you guys are playing with fire...and that you will get your fingers burnt...right up to your armpits. In all fairness...I think I'm also playing with fire...and that I will get my fingers burnt...right up to my armpits. Actually...I'll probably be burned at the stake...or the modern equivalent. I wish I were joking.

Have you heard of Prophet Yahweh? He conjures up UFO's in Las Vegas. YouTube - Las Vegas UFO Guy on NEWS

Jnana

09-20-2009, 03:21 PM

I think you guys are playing with fire...and that you will get your fingers burnt...right up to your armpits. In all fairness...I think I'm also playing with fire...and that I will get my fingers burnt...right up to my armpits. Actually...I'll probably be burned at the stake...or the modern equivalent. I wish I were joking.

What is your concern? The ETs or the clowns in dark suits? I'm totally not concerned about the former, and would love to get a visit from the latter - then I would at least know I'm getting somewhere. Just call me a pyro.

Cool video (except for all the smirking). Thanks

tone3jaguar

09-20-2009, 04:34 PM

I have walked through the most intense of fires when it comes to interacting with paranormal subjects and I am still here, still healthy, still sane and much more better off than I would have been if I had just played it safe and kept my consciousness tucked away in a little box.

As far as making peaceful contact with peaceful intentions, if you get something negative out of that then you did it wrong. You get what you focus on, that is all there is to it. You focus on being burned by the other side or ET's and you will manifest events around you that inforce that perception.

14 Chakras

09-20-2009, 08:44 PM

My strongest personal recommendation based on my personal experiences and discernment is to use discernment at all times when communicating with ETs.

Does it really make sense to assume that anything flying around in space ship has your best interest in their hearts?

This is why I suggest working with Archangel Michael. Beyond the illusions of the material realm, beyond the need of technology such as UFO's or bureaucracy and politics, like the 'galactic federation', is the spiritual realm. In the spiritual realm reside only God free Beings who have no need to for UFO's or technology.

So I personally think it is a very good idea to connect to God Free Beings in the spiritual realm. While there are certainly ET's with good intentions, you will not find true enlightenment until you connect past all the material realms, into the spiritual realm, the realm of the Ascended Hosts.

Discernment is something all of humanity is continually working on. If you feel strongly that connecting with ET's is a part of your path, I suggest working with Archangel Michael, or Jesus whenever doing so. There are also many ascended beings in the spiritual realm, so I am naming only two right now who it is very obvious are of the light.

Archangel Michael and Jesus will never harm anything that is not of the light, they only have your best interest and the best interest of the light in the ET's in mind. So if you are connecting with ET's, why not consider calling to Archangel Michael to only let in what is of the light, and to be there with you during your connections and communications?

We may think we have crystal clear discernment and have no need for Archangel Michael or spiritual beings, but I would argue that is a sure sign our discernment is way off. How many times throughout our own lifetimes have we come to understand more than we previously did? Have we ever, even once, misjudged someone's character? Of course we have... that is why it is important to activate infinite spiritual beings to journey along with us on our search for freedom and truth.

ET's come in all shapes and sizes, good, lukewarm, nefarious, smart, dumb, etc. Regardless, they are not the teachers of schoolroom earth, they are students of the universe like you and I are.

If we want to pass the cosmic test that are in front of us, we will do so by connecting to the true teachers of the schoolroom, rather than other students who have still not fully mastered their own realms themselves, or they would have already made it into the spiritual realm and have no more need for their UFOs and technologies.

Consider Star Wars was more than just a movie, but rather was a cosmic teaching released for the people of this planet to gain some higher understandings.. the movies did a fairly good job of showing to us what life is like "out there". Lots of evil species and often they are in charge of these galactic style governments... also the good guys (the jedi are working their way towards total enlightenment and we have examples of ascended beings like Yoda, Obe One become) and mostly beings 'stuck in the middle' who are fairly unconscious to higher truth like we are on this planet.

What's happening on earth is a microcosm of the macrocosm.

Who is in charge of our governments here? Who has the newest and best technologies? It should be obvious that advanced technologies is not a sign of spiritual progress.

So my highest suggestion is to connect to the spiritual realm first and foremost, Beings who are beyond the need of physical bodies, spaceships etc. and who work through your heart. Beings and consciousness who empower you and help you move past your own illusions and take dominion over your self and your own planet rather than making you dependent on anything outside yourself whatsoever.

As always, using discernment is key. Let us never, ever give up our discernment through assumptions, or we'll make a "ass out of you and me"...

Let's be the light of the world and raise up our own planet and bring God government to planet earth that is in total alignment with spiritual truth and abundance for all life, rather than seeking any solutions outside of ourselves...

orthodoxymoron

09-21-2009, 12:29 AM

14 Chakras: I generally like what you have to say. I agree with most everything. But I don't attempt to contact 'ascended beings' of any kind...including Archangel Michael and Jesus Christ. I seek the Holy Sprit within all of Humanity in the name of Jesus Christ. 'In the name of Jesus Christ...and with the power of the Holy Spirit...I choose to do what's right!' This is a subtle variation on prayer. I don't worship, praise, or pray to deities of any kind...other than seeking the divinity which resides within all of humanity. Namaste. I don't doubt that I am surrounded by benevolent and malevolent beings of all kinds...and that they interact with me in positive and negative ways...24/7...but I don't attempt to contact any of them. I consider this to be a dangerous activity. I think we need to significantly advance...ethically, spiritually, and psychologically...before we attempt to directly contact the unseen realms. This also applies to UFO and ET contact. I don't think we know what the hell we're doing...or what the hell we're dealing with.

mntruthseeker

09-21-2009, 12:50 AM

tone3Jaguar

I want to thank you for all that you have posted in here. I can't begin to tell you how much it means to me. I finally understand where you are coming from and I happen to like that outcome

I now understand how we do make our own reality and I know what I want mine to be. Heavens forbid I should worry about any accident happening.

two days ago I had such fears but they are gone. I absolutely refuse to go back to that frame of mind.

I know that there are those that want to help us very much. I have always known somewhere in my sub-consciousness and reading this post and also listening to others, I am going to keep myself on a positive note.

I plan on purchasing the book and cd.

I know that there are both evil and good but I refuse to concentrate on anything but the good. We are in control and we make the decisions.

After listening to Alex Collier today, I hope more come to this understanding.

I have no idea how many times I had to listen to this to feel so good and happy because it has sunk in.

TPTB will not push their fear mongering on me again........Im ready to move on and make myself stronger so I can be there for my family members when they wake up

I just wanted to thank you again for this thread and all the rest of you that posted here.

tone3jaguar

09-21-2009, 02:21 AM

tone3Jaguar

I want to thank you for all that you have posted in here. I can't begin to tell you how much it means to me. I finally understand where you are coming from and I happen to like that outcome

I am glad I was able to help you, just remember that you are the only one that knows what is best for you. Others will claim to know, but you are the only one with the answers for your personal journey here.

Orthodoxy, you are right in your conclusion that ascended beings of any kind do not require worship. The idea that ascended beings desire to be worshiped was created by those in leadership positions that wanted others to worship them. It is all made up. When a soul ascends to higher levels of consciousness in the higher dimensions than this one their ego that would desire worship fades out completely.

If anyone ever comes across a being that requires worship or sacrifice in order to work with them then they are dealing with either a false made up being, or a selfish one that did not originate on the same spritual paths that all those in this version of reality did. Any being that requires worship can kiss my ass.