Melbourne/Victoria

[Johnno]

Melbourne/Victoria Chapter of Ground Crew Network

Welcome to all in Melbourne or Victoria country Ground Crew potentials. :welcomeani:
Lets correlate the safe spaces in and around our state.
Regards,
DarkMatter

[Lt Ripley]

Hey Dark Matter,

Good to see you here. :)

I think any mountain area in Vic would be a great starting place.

[Johnno]

Hello Lt Ripley
Good to see you here also. :winksmiley02:
I was thinking of Mount Macedon, which isn't too far from Melbourne. Its highest peak is just over 1000 meters, which hopefully should be high enough.
Only trouble is that a plot of land on the mountain side would need to be purchased and then developed. I don't think the owners of the land would like squatters appearing there preparing it for safe space use. :mfr_lol:
This is one of the hurdles for many seeking a safe place to prepare. Going to a possible safe space location at the last minute could be disastrous.
What are your thoughts???
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Mattriks]

Hey there,

yep great to see melbs/vic in the mix. most of 2C magazine (2ndcreation.org)crew live here, but Even and Edward are up North. At the moment I'm wondering whether to head that way too, still working that out. Our current episode of 2C (Planetary Arts to Survive and thrive) is about getting off the grid and transforming the grid and seed saving and all that stuff. Welcoming any input you may have.:original: Look forward to developing our local avalon node.

[Johnno]

Hello Mattriks and welcome. :welcomeani:

Even and Edward are up North
North of Victoria or north as in Queensland???

Our current episode of 2C (Planetary Arts to Survive and thrive) is about getting off the grid and transforming the grid and seed saving and all that stuff.
Definitely. :winksmiley02:

Welcoming any input you may have.
I think we need a collection of people to pool resources and study a good location for the safe space.
We need to form a committee that can meet to discuss, organize, plan and raise money to purchase land, provisions, equipment etc.
We need quite a few members with dedication and a will to get things moving so a safe space can be developed.
Who out there is willing to commit???
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[ForsakenFalcon]

Hi all.
Just popping in to say I'm allso from Vic (infamous frankston :tears:)

Though I'm a Super Novice as In master of nothing novice at many thing's
So I'm screwed in term's of getting a placement with in a ground crew =P

[Johnno]

Welcome ForsakenFalcon. :welcomeani:

Just popping in to say I'm allso from Vic (infamous frankston )
I won't hold that against you. :mfr_lol: I'm from Deer Park myself. The other side of Melbourne.

Though I'm a Super Novice as In master of nothing novice at many thing's
So I'm screwed in term's of getting a placement with in a ground crew =P
You don't need to have a University degree to obtain placement within a ground crew, so don't worry there. :winksmiley02:
Ground crew members and placement is for ALL who want to have a safe space place they can go to when it all hits the fan.
We need to organize members, the more the better. For the time being we need to see how many are willing to join and work to form the new Melbourne/Victoria chapter of the ground crew.
In the next few weeks I will try to organize something to get the ball rolling and I hope by then we will have more members.
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[whoisit1998]

I'm also from melbourne....

and I can say after having an enlightenment experience ONEness is the only reality... so you are me, I AM you, I AM God, YOU are God, we are all GOD, every thing is GOD.... and PUG (pure unconditional Love) is the only answer...

that aside, I did have a dream yesterday to get to higher ground in melbourne.. cos the changes were happening...

I am going to look more into the law of one series... but to me reality is God's dream (my dream)

we are but characters in this dream, just like the analogy of having a dream, all those characters in the dream ARE your creation, they are in YOUR mind... and yet we see them as being 'seperate' it is only once we become 'lucid' in the dream, do we remember who we realy are...

[vesta]

I don't know about the rest of you in Vic but I'm fairly sure I just read F/F stepping up to take his place in the Victorian Ground Crew.........

What we need to remember is that we all bring is our unique gifts and talents to the team and while some will have learnt things at uni others amongst us have been studying hard @ the school of life and have a lot of life experience ie street smarts to bring to the mix.

As our crews grow and develop so will we and we will all continue to grow together on this journey.

For example - some will know the best type of food to sustain us long term, some will be able to locate it, others will actually be able to source it..... others will know how to prepare it to share with everyone :winksmiley02: not necessarily exclusive talents but some will be more adept at some things than others!

Falcon you are far from foresaken amongst ur kin here.

Blessings,

Vesta.

[Mattriks]

Hey Peeps,

yeah when i say 'up north' i mean:

I have friends in northern nsw, and i've been considering that move for a while. I visited a few moons ago for a couple of weeks and got a good taste of living off the grid.

And another friend is in Inverell which is in the middle of woop woop but has water and good soil and is well away from the coast and he has placed himself there specifically because he thinks it will be a 'safe place'.

Those are the two places i'm thinking but i'm also not totally closed to finding the rite place in Victoria either. Many family and friends are here.

My time frame at the mo is to make some kinda movement in january (half way through this blue electric storm year, in dreamspell speak). With a Van, a solar setup, plants, seeds, love, my (soon to be) wife, a guitar etc. My energy at the moment is going into 2C magazine, some music projects, and getting appropriately resourced to make the shift.

I'm happy to be be part of connecting up with more victorians which ever way it goes. Sharing resources and hope and joy.

Big Love to ya family.

Mattriks

[Aussie Babe]

Hi Guys!

I am sorta new to all this but getting a very quick wake-up call.:mfr_omg:

I am in Central Vic, Maryborough to be exact and moved here from Melbourne many years ago, or maybe I should say I was told to come here by my unseen friends.

I feel that we (hubby & I) are safe here and have no terrible panic feeling that we must move to a safer place,so we are staying put.

Looking forward to interacting with you all.

[Nyssa]

Hi guys,

I live near Geelong, but am moving to NSW for my safe spot, so I haven't really researched Victoria for safe places. I know of a guy that's settled in Mount Macedon purely on inner guidance of what's to come. He made sure he had a bore on his property, etc, so seems to me that's it's probably a good place to be.

Inverell looks good too, especially if there's good soil there.

There's so much to do it can be over whelming. We buy a bit extra each week when we go for groceries and put it aside for later, (cans etc) it's eaiser doing a bit at a time, and you feel better/safer each time you add to your collection.

It's a great idea to create communities, good luck with yours,

Nyssa.

[sirdiablo69]

Gday folks,
l would like to hear from others in the hope of co-ordainating some safe havens outside melb metro, l unfortunately do not have access to enormous funds, as l have reviewed the asking price for various properties / land etc on the basis that ther may be a collapse of our finacial system, therefore any banks loans used to make such purchases may be invalidated. At any rate l would like to hear from other whom also see the need for alternate living arrangements as opposed to suburban melbourne,

[sirdiablo69]

Gday Dark Matter lm also located in the western suburbs of melbourne, with similar concerns as yorself and would be both willing an interested in joining forces with to assist in pooling our combined resources so that we may with various others provide an option to suburban melbourne in case of the undesirable events portayed taking place as suggested by others, be it finacial colapse, food shortages, bioweapons, etc etc

[sirdiablo69]

Gday,
lve have been looking at some of the options, and l must say that although mt macedon ids convieniant so far as proximity its also extremely close to suburban melbourne, which unfortunately means that in time of food shortages etc there will be large numbers of melbournians seaching quick alternatives to residential melbournes lack of resorces therfore l believe mt macedon would in effect be to close to and subject to maraudinf elements that could nay would be very needy and most inhospitable with regards wanting/ taking from any reserves we may have of food liveststock etc

[Johnno]

I don't know about the rest of you in Vic but I'm fairly sure I just read F/F stepping up to take his place in the Victorian Ground Crew.........

What we need to remember is that we all bring is our unique gifts and talents to the team and while some will have learnt things at uni others amongst us have been studying hard @ the school of life and have a lot of life experience ie street smarts to bring to the mix.

As our crews grow and develop so will we and we will all continue to grow together on this journey.

For example - some will know the best type of food to sustain us long term, some will be able to locate it, others will actually be able to source it..... others will know how to prepare it to share with everyone :winksmiley02: not necessarily exclusive talents but some will be more adept at some things than others!

Falcon you are far from foresaken amongst ur kin here.

Blessings,

Vesta.

Well said Vesta. Thank you. :winksmiley02:

Sorry for the delay in responding. Internet woes as usual.
A very warm welcome to Vesta, Mattriks, Aussie Babe, Nyssa and sirdiablo69. :welcomeani::welcomeani::welcomeani::welcomeani: :welcomeani:
Are any of you wanting to form a community so we can create the Victorian Chapter Ground Crew??? sirdiablo69 has made the commitment via visitors messaging system, how about the rest???
Take care all.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[fiolla]

Hi folks from Victoria, nice to meet you all here, I am Fiolla from Spain! Next tuesday I will head off from Alicante to fly to downunder and visit Melbourne and Victoria for the first time in my life.I will hire a campervan and explore mainly Victoria and aboriginal places there.Any travelling tips?:original:

[fiolla]

Gday,
lve have been looking at some of the options, and l must say that although mt macedon ids convieniant so far as proximity its also extremely close to suburban melbourne, which unfortunately means that in time of food shortages etc there will be large numbers of melbournians seaching quick alternatives to residential melbournes lack of resorces therfore l believe mt macedon would in effect be to close to and subject to maraudinf elements that could nay would be very needy and most inhospitable with regards wanting/ taking from any reserves we may have of food liveststock etcI am new around here and I don´t know the countryside you are speaking about, but you just have a reasonable point there. concerning safe places.When the time comes, you have to be aware of your fellow men, they are the most dangerous species!:mfr_lol:
Australia will be a good part of the world to be, lots of space in the inland region and far enough from the coast in case of tsunami..........

[Aussie Babe]

Hello and Welcome Foilla!

You are in for a treat traveling around this wondrous land of ours.Enjoy!

Are there any more members centered around Central Vic? I feel like I am in this part of the world all alone.

Would be willing to link up with somebody /anybody to share ideas etc/

[fiolla]

Hello and Welcome Foilla!

You are in for a treat traveling around this wondrous land of ours.Enjoy!

Are there any more members centered around Central Vic? I feel like I am in this part of the world all alone.

Would be willing to link up with somebody /anybody to share ideas etc/
thanks for your welcome aussie babe!You´re not alone as you see, there´s a lot of poeple around here! Very anxious to see your country and meet poeple over there, sideseeing Melbourne, hire a campervan and explore Victoria!

:thumb_yello:

[Johnno]

Hello fiolla,
Welcome to this thread of the Forum. :welcomeani:
Also welcome to Australia when you get here.
As Aussie Babe has stated already, you will find Australia a very fascinating place, but you may have to go to the Northern Territory to find good places of aboriginal sites. There are not too many here in Victoria unfortunately.
I wish you a great time while visiting our country. :winksmiley02:
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Johnno]

The Hurdles of Safe Space
I'm assuming that many of you are wondering what to do and how to go about finding a safe space to survive the possible calamities that may happen in the very near future. I ponder this every day, and without being too overly cynical, the options, unfortunately don't look too favorable.
Here are just some examples of the hurdles involved:

(1) The need for a plot of land and/or property of the ideal safe space location
Who amongst us could afford to purchase a plot of land and/or property??? I know I could never afford this, and I suspect most of you would be in the same boat. So what can we do???
We need to band together, form a committee and pool our resources. We would need to meet on a fairly regular basis to organize the best options for the survival of all members and their families.

(2) Where would be the IDEAL safe space location???
As sirdiablo69 has already pointed out: "l must say that although mt macedon ids convieniant so far as proximity its also extremely close to suburban melbourne, which unfortunately means that in time of food shortages etc there will be large numbers of melbournians seaching quick alternatives to residential melbournes lack of resorces therfore l believe mt macedon would in effect be to close to and subject to maraudinf elements that could nay would be very needy and most inhospitable with regards wanting/ taking from any reserves we may have of food liveststock etc".
He is 100% correct on this point. Unfortunately Mount Macedon is too close to a major population center. So where else???
Country Victoria would probably be the best alternative. Aussie Babe and her hubby seem to be in an ideal location. Population isn't too high. It may not be mountainous, but its probably far enough away and high enough above sea level to be a safe spot in case of tidal waves.
Someone has already suggested the Snowy Mountains. What about in and around the ski resorts: Falls Creek, Threadbo etc.???

(3) If you do have a safe space to go to, when do you move in???
If your retired and well off, then you could probably go now. But if you work for a living, you can't just move in and still be expected to go to work every day. Especially if the safe space is very far away.

All of the above questions need to be answered and alternatives nutted out. I've only given a couple of examples, there are heaps more questions that need to be resolved, but just one person cannot be expected to solve them on his or her own. We need to get our heads together and overcome these issues if we are to have a higher probability of survival when the s--t hits the fan.
Anyone who is interested in forming a committee to overcome the logistics of a safe space, then please let me know in this thread. BUT, you MUST be committed. No half arsed wanting to help. Its all or nothing. Sorry to be blunt, but possible lives could be at stake here.
Take care all and I look forward to your votes of confidence.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

P.S. If you have any comments, views or criticisms, then please post them here.

[fiolla]

Hello fiolla,
Welcome to this thread of the Forum. :welcomeani:
Also welcome to Australia when you get here.
As Aussie Babe has stated already, you will find Australia a very fascinating place, but you may have to go to the Northern Territory to find good places of aboriginal sites. There are not too many here in Victoria unfortunately.
I wish you a great time while visiting our country. :winksmiley02:
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatterthank you for the tip Dark Matter, but I think I will go to Geelong first to visit an aboriginal centre there(it sais in my guide).Since the whole of Australia used to be aboriginal country, I am sure that my special "antenna" will find some places where there is strong and good energy that we can use to survive!As you know the aboriginals were very good at surviving, we can learn o lot of them, that´s why I would like to see and feel their places......

[AussieG]

Forums are fine but face to face sets the pace, is anyone organizing a meeting in Melb. If so, where and when. :welcomeani:

[sirdiablo69]

Gday all
l am going to post my email for two reasons the first is because l recieved an eamil claiming to be from this sites founders stating that the site is being closed down for various reasons and secondly l strongly suspect it no longer safe to state online much info so far as locations etc are concerned you can reach me at mschoen57@bigpond.com temporarily, a further word of warning that various govt interests tend to dictate that they plant there own operatives within various groups for the purpose of gathering intelligene and info that may bring down any threat percevied by their respective leaders, l hope all this serves as a suitable warning to all such as myself hoping to meet like minded individuals, as for meeting all or any interested in forming some melb group to discuss and consolidate on safe havens please feel to to make conatact via my email address provided ASAP as this opportunity is not indefinate

[sirdiablo69]

Gday to ALL,
There are many neccesary considerations prior to exiting melbourne for the hills so to speak aside from having somewhere to go you all need to realize that practically all routes out of melbourne are have a great many bridges overhead, therefore it would not take much effort for persons intending to retrict any exodus from melbourne simply by blowing all those bridges, therebye making most roads ineffective escape routes, so l warn you all that if you havent alreay left melbourne ahead of time you just might not be able too

[sirdiablo69]

Gday All,
there are many many issues to consider, plan and practise prior to any change of location e.g the mountains, l totally agree the need to both ecape the city as well as the coastal regions, but and l cannot stress these issues enough, water, clean water is essential, as is having at least three months food supply minimum, as well as a large amount of seeds for any sustainable existence, unless you believe you can exist without any protien you will also require some livestock, for a family of four that would translate into a minimum of 40 to 50 sheep over a twelve month time frame, therefore that same family of four would require a stock of approximately 70 to 80 ewes as well as 2 or three rams and of course they to require feed and water, under special circumstances you could get two lambs a year from one ewe usually the famers only mate there ewes once a year so that they have time to recover, \
Even if you have one possible location that is not suffiecent to guarrentee your long term survival due to migrating groups of people whom similar to nomads would choose to steal and pillage from others rather than establish any self sufficency of there own, so ther is a real need to have those within your group that can offer some type of security etc
As for all those whom believe that they will simply barter with whatever excess they have lm sorry to say that there is no guarrentee that the people they are baterring with wont just overpower them and steal everthing anyway. hence the need for security of sorts.
there are a great amny other things l need to highlight to ensure your survival all equally as important as those lve already mentioned

[sirdiablo69]

To ALL
Please note that if things go real bad and others havent made any preparations they will in times of desperation KILL you for your food and anything else you have, so be forwarned please do not share with others what you have and dont have for they will mention it to another and another etc and without a doubt if you any food and they dont all of a sudden they think oh such and such told me such and such then you end up with person or persons breaking into you home, encampment etc out of shear desperarion and your dead so are your loved ones dont believe me to your own peril

[sirdiablo69]

l am worried.
both for myself as well as my daughter, unfortunately l do not have many resources, and very little money to establish many of the nessecary features required for a long term independant existence, l do know without a great deal of thought what is required eg plant life, domestic stock, etc etc necessary for any longterm maintenance , yet l do have access to suffiecent inacial resourses with which to establish many of the requirements, l can for any considering what to do for their own survival share much of the information with them that are essential considerations, so please feel free to contact me if you want some eye openers

[Aussie Babe]

Hi Everyone!
Sirdiablo69 I hear you, what part of Melbourne are you in? Am posting a link for another forum that is full of Survival info etc, just search the archives.

http://www.aussurvivalist.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12237&PN=1

Peace to you all Barb.

[Tez]

Hi Everyone!
Sirdiablo69 I hear you, what part of Melbourne are you in? Am posting a link for another forum that is full of Survival info etc, just search the archives.

http://www.aussurvivalist.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12237&PN=1

Peace to you all Barb.

Also look here.........
http://www.2012forum.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=10

I had posted a great deal of info on the site prior to finding Project Avalon.
If you need other info, i may have other sources available as well....... but i will be away for a week from tomorrow without computer contact.

Tez

[Johnno]

thank you for the tip Dark Matter, but I think I will go to Geelong first to visit an aboriginal centre there(it sais in my guide).Since the whole of Australia used to be aboriginal country, I am sure that my special "antenna" will find some places where there is strong and good energy that we can use to survive!As you know the aboriginals were very good at surviving, we can learn o lot of them, that´s why I would like to see and feel their places......
Your most welcome for the tip. :winksmiley02:
Hmm.. Sorry for my ignorance, but I never realized there was an Aboriginal center in Geelong. Hmm.. I guess you learn something every day... :mfr_lol:
You are 100% correct in regards to how well Aborigines can survive on very little. In fact they would make the best teachers, as would the native American Indians. Its something I never contemplated. Well done in your thinking, I take my hat off to you. :wink2:
Take care and please let us know when you hit Melbourne.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Johnno]

Forums are fine but face to face sets the pace, is anyone organizing a meeting in Melb. If so, where and when. :welcomeani:
I agree AussieG. :thumb_yello:
I wouldn't mind organizing something after the Nexus Conference. Some time in the middle of October, perhaps a tad earlier or later. What are your thoughts people???
Where we meet is another issue, so I'm open to suggestions. I would like it so it isn't to far for Aussie Babe and her husband. And there are probably others that live far from Melbourne also. Would also be good to synchronize a time when fiolla is in Melbourne as well.
All suggestions are welcome. So lets get into discussing this issue people.
Take care all and I hope to hear the suggestions fly. :thumb_yello:
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Johnno]

@sirdiablo69
Thank you for your comments and insight. You make some extremely strong and valid points. These MUST be discussed and digested by all, he's not talking s--t, he's talking about reality.
I can also understand the urgency in regards to preparation, as George Green has already stated, we may just be too late. So I agree with the need to set things in motion yesterday.
Unfortunately we have to be realistic, proper preparation takes time. But I agree that we need to get together quickly and start the ball rolling. I was hoping to organize a meeting just after the Nexus Conference, as I would like to share with all on what will be said by the various speakers. Hopefully one or more of the speakers may provide a time frame of when the s--t may hit the fan. But if that is too far off, then what do you propose???
I'll leave it up to you all in regards to how soon things should happen.
Take care all.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Johnno]

Many thanks to Aussie Babe and Tez for those links. I think they will be invaluable. :thumb_yello:
Both are survival Forums. I thought ours (Avalon) was the only one. Seems like I need to do more surfing and searching.... :mfr_omg: :sorry:
That GPS Australia will also be a bonus:
http://www.gpsaustralia.net/
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[sirdiablo69]

Gday All,
l have noticed the tendancy of many to suggest a communal concept of sorts, suggesting the formulation of a singular group functioning somewhat independant of existing rural communities, l suggest working alternative, rather than attempt to create from scratch all that would neccesary for some sort of long term unique remote commuity l would instead recommend that we all seriously consider adopting as a place of refuge an existing community such as a small rural township to form the basis of our own subgroup, therebye eliminateing the enourmous logistics involved in creating all nessecary infrastructure needed to support even a small group of wayfarers such as our selves. therefore l strongly reccomend that rather than clear bush land and buliding suitable domesciles on top of the expenses required for food supplies farming equipment fencing for any livestock etc etc etc l reccomend that we seriously consider what properties, housing etc within small rural towns that we could for a minimal outlay rent lease, culitvate, in the more immediate future, that would free what capital we do have that we could then apply use for items such things as generators, maybe solar panels, as well as large reserves of vegetables and grains fruit trees, livestock for the long term picture, as well as many many other items such as various hand tools, saws hammers nails screws even down to things such as sewing needles, leather working tools, basically most items that dont require electricity, petrol or gas, so if we do survive upcoming events we have sufficent reserves of food clothing etc to last until our first or second crop, and are also able to perform repairs modifications as per required independant of most external resources that figurateively may not even still exist.

[sirdiablo69]

Gday,
as for how much time l believe god willing we might and l do mean might have until next january around the time of the next American Presidential inauguration to have at least one existing preplanned location which with to gather in the begining, keeping in mind that we will also need to have at least two more alternative sites that can function as plan B and plan C. Although we can reasonbly expect the equivalent resourses available at all sites we can at least choose those that have existing water supplies as well as suffiecent room and local laws that would allow us to legally make an encampment e.g some sort public campsite, of which numerous exist in various national forests etc easily locatable on victorian parks websites, sorry but l dont have the exact URL onhand, just google parks victoria to easily locate it

[sirdiablo69]

Gday All,
another reccommendation aside from us migrating like a bunch of gypsies or nomads would be the suggestion that perhaps two hopefully as many as three of us establish a home bases independantlly of each other from the nth west of Victoria to the nth east of victoria, therebye providing specific established homes/properties with a minimal land mass that would allow the other members establish their camp/caravan as per required need. if the group total was not excessive than even a regular house on a regular block would have suffiecent room for the existing member/s to reside as well as room for some tents/caravan/s also. Therebye in part eliminating the need in the short term for extensive establishment of a habitable enviroment that would be required in something like virgin forrest. I n fairness to all members l believe that we would need to establish as firmly as possible some minimum standard for group acceptance e'g members personal tent/caravan, as well as perhaps at least three months personal food food supplies and of course a general willingness to contribute to the workload that may prevail.

[sirdiablo69]

Gday All,
having said all that lve said with regards utilizing establish towns residences etc, l also reccommend that we all have a clearly well thought out and purchased emergency pack including good items such as good quality hiking boots sleeping bag back pack etc so we all if ,really neccesary can migrate on foot for some distance yet still survive for some period of time if our chosen locations become seriously compromised. P roviding of course that we have sufficent advanced warning, if that is at all possible.

[sirdiablo69]

Hi me again,
even if we are able to pull this self rescue attempt, with some sort of success. we will still be faced with our groups body politics. We will have to at some point need to address an almost equally devisive problem/s. Conflict resolution, what do we do and how do we do it. Sooner or later there will be some disaggreements among some of us, whether its about how much we eat or how much we do, maybe some of us cannot aggree on the next step we take maybe we cannot aggre on even the first step we take, Do we operate as a democracy with each having an equal vote in the decision making and if so do we have to unanimously aggree or simply a majority vote. Can we agree to disagree or do we have force others to concede to our own viewpoint. then if we can succeed as a group politically, how do we deal with issues pertaining sexual relations in their mirriad forms, what becomes exceptable and what doesnt. then what about religous beliefs or lack of, does that become a matter of choice, or are there certain prerequisites, do we politicise religous veiwpoints, then if so is it another issue we then vote on etc. aND IF L HAVENT ALREADY OPENED A HUGE CAN OF WORMS, how do we handle the issue of soviernty, for example if we are staying at the established home of one of the members as previously suggested for the purpose of convieniance of location does that person then have the right to dismiss a member from their property if they fail to reach some comprise resulting from some disaggreement, also do the individual members retain their sovienty over their possensions or do we adopt the principles of some tribal groups where the possesions that members bring to the group belong to the group and therefore may used by any member, alternatively do the individuals get to choose what among their possesions is stricly personal and what if any is for group use and then if any are for group use does the group maimtain possesion of said items when or if that person terminates their association with the group. I DID SAY I HAVE OPENED A CAN OF WORMS HUH

[sirdiablo69]

HI
so what do we do to resolve any disputes, for there will be some evetually be at the very least someone somewhere whom simply does not agree with an individual or even majoraty rule, also do we rewrite the rulebook eg current laws etc and if we do or dont who and how do we enforce them, how do we guarrentee everyone justice, not just how but also to the satisfaction of all concerned

[sirdiablo69]

@sirdiablo69
Thank you for your comments and insight. You make some extremely strong and valid points. These MUST be discussed and digested by all, he's not talking s--t, he's talking about reality.
I can also understand the urgency in regards to preparation, as George Green has already stated, we may just be too late. So I agree with the need to set things in motion yesterday.
Unfortunately we have to be realistic, proper preparation takes time. But I agree that we need to get together quickly and start the ball rolling. I was hoping to organize a meeting just after the Nexus Conference, as I would like to share with all on what will be said by the various speakers. Hopefully one or more of the speakers may provide a time frame of when the s--t may hit the fan. But if that is too far off, then what do you propose???
I'll leave it up to you all in regards to how soon things should happen.
Take care all.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter
Gday
after all the comments l have already made l would just like to thank Dark Matter for his complementary evaluation regards one of my postings
Tankyou Dark Matter

[sirdiablo69]

Are we all just worried about a storm in a tea cup i wish it where so

[sirdiablo69]

hI
MOST OF MY COMMENTS SO FAR WOULD SUGGEST IM PRIMARILY A MATERIAL GUY WHOM IS LARGELY CONSUMED BY PRACTICAL ISSUES SO FOR THE BENEFIT OF OF ALL AND ANY I WISH TO SHARE SEVERAL MAJORS DREAMS VISIONS THAT IVE HAD THAT HAVE ENTAILED SOME PROPHETIC AND/OR DEEP IMPRESSION/S SOME WITH A REACURRING THEME NOT TO BE CONFUSED BY ANY JUNGIAN ANAOLGIES RATHER HAVING A MORE LITERAL DELINIATION PLEASE DONT READ THEM AND DECIDE THAT WE ARE DOOMED
FIRST ONE I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE FOR- THE ENTIRE WEEK PROR TO THE 9/11 EVENT IMMEDIATELLY UPON WAKING IN THE MORNING EVERY DAY IN THE WEEK PRIOR TO 9/11 L SAT ON MY BEDSIDE AND BENEATH ME IN A VISION L WITNESSED AS IS L WERE A GIANT LOOKING DOWN FROM ABOVE I BEHELD A CITY BUILDING SEEMINGLY IN MINATURE WHERE THERE WHERE NUMEROUS PEOPLE VISIBLE IN THE UPPERMOST FLOORS OF THE BUILDING AND FOR REASONS I COULD NOT WORK OUT SOME OF THEM WHERE TRYING TO ESCAPE THE BUILDING FROM THE TOP FLOORS BY USING A LENGTH OF ROPE THAT WAS SIMPLY FAR TOO SHORT EVERY MORNING FOR THAT WEEK L WOULD HAVE THE SAME VISION THE MOMENT I AWOKE YET EACH MORNING THEY WOULD PERFORM THE SAME RITUAL TRYING TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM OF HAVING TO SHORT A LENGTH OF ROPE TO ENABLE THEM TO LEAVE THE BUILDING FROM THE TOP FLOORS L DID NOT KNOW WHY THEY WHERE TRYING TO EXIT FROM THE TOP OF THE BUILDING EXTERNALLY ONE MAYBE TWO WERE HOPING TO CLIMB DOWN THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING USING THE ROPE BUT IT SIMPLY WAS TWO SHORT AND ONLY REACHED SEVERAL FLOORS DOWN STILL A LONG WAY FROM THE GROUND TO BE EFFECTIVE YET THE FOLLOWING MORNING THE SAME EVENT OCCURED AND L BEGAN THINKING THE PERSON TRYING TO EXIT THE EXTERNALLY WITH THE ROPE KNEW AS DID SEVERAL OTHERSA LITTLE MORE ABOUT THEIR PLIGHT EACH DAY YET WHERE NOT ABLE TO IMPROVE UPON THE PREVIOUS DAYS FAILED ATTEMPTS L SIMPLY DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS DAILY EVENT IT WAS UNIQUE TO ME BOTH IN ITS MINITURE PRESENTATION AS WELL AS ITS DAILY OCCURANCE THEN THE NIGHT IMMEADIATELLT PRIOR TO THE NEWS BROADCAST OF 9/11 L SAW MYSELF MOMENTARILY DRESSED IN A BLUE SHIRT AND DARK BLUE TROUSERS JUST AS SUDDENLY L FELT MY THROUGHT CUT WITH A CORRESPONDING POOL OF BLOOD AT MY FEET AN EXTREMELY VIVID AND GRAPHIC IMAGE/VISION EVEN FOR ME SO I FELT STRONGLY DRIVEN TO TELL MY DAUGHTER THAT VERY SOON AN EXTREME EVENT IS GOING TO OCCUR EVERYONE KNOWS THE REST

[sirdiablo69]

Ok
the next major dream occured whilst asleep say major because although i did not have any reocurance i awoke almost immediately and have reacalled it many times since often looking at various events in the media so i could calmly reasure myself the dream/prochecy had been forfilled by some event yet ive not been able to give myself that reassurance = now to share it the dream began as some mild yet siily event l was watering a moderately sized limblees tree l realize you will hint maybe its phallic symbology simaltaenously i began to reason my illogical behaviour in light of our current water restrictions also the location although only several kilometers from here was not my aboad allthough my actions would suggest it was l turned my body to face an easterly direction and there was only meters away the sembalance of rising sea waters as though the nearby river had flodded as continued to turn towards the norht l realized that worse floding was occuring there to the piont that the nearby land mass was in fact breaking away dues to the rising sea level yet l did not feel personally threatened by any of this in fact my thoughts where this would be a great opportunity do do some fishing virtually right at my front door the moment later i awoke , im aware of all the jungian/ freudian analogy regards the phallic symbology of the limblees tree and the oceans association with mother etc but what for me was significant was all the media hype presentaion of computer model predictations regards global warning and rising sea levels yet i knew this dream was not saying that to me rather it was the results of severe weather conditions excessive oceanic enchrochments of coastal a region yet evertime i saw local media reorts of severe floding n the east of the stae l would tell myself that was my prophetic dreams expresion yet i remained unconvinced of such due to the eccessiveness presented in the dream that was yet to model itself in the realworld it did not appear to be directlly resulting from a tsunami type of action but the extensiveness and the extreme effects where not immediatelly noticable such as severe land loss being eaten by the ocean was an abuntantly a local feature like i have stated this severe anomaly is yet to occur

[sirdiablo69]

OK
the next vision l would like to share is a combination of two signifcant changes to the enviroment in this country, Australia. that has no large land based wild predetors neither does it have any significant snowfall except among some sparse mountain ranges and then only seasonly. yet in spite of those current facts, not so long ago l had a persistent coupling of the two. Firstlly l saw vast snow cover with sparse outcrops of trees/vegetation, including the use of horseback as a means of transportation with the very real need to accomadate to the dangers of a unfamiliar landscape and a servere climatic change, if that was not enough, another unplanned for danger had managed to present itself, some irresponsible people had released from captivity numerous large wild cats, both lions and tigers had survived the early cataclisyms that had previously occured suffient numbers as to enble them to self perpetuate and become a real threat towards surviving humanity whom existed in in bleak new world of a real ice age
as for the occuring ice age mans role could be disputed. as for the big cats it was clear that several god dammed zoo keepers realizing the impeding doom occuring around them chose to free numerous exotic species that rightfully l believe should out of consideration for local man been destroyed, instead where provided with freedom by various zookeepers whom cared more for their animals potential survival than they did for what became of the remanants of humanity
The result being the human survivors of the iniatal climatic cataclysms also over time to contend with and sometimes defend against the big cats. although l must say those persons that had survived thus far had little empathy if any, for matters pertaining to the like of contemporary animal welfare persons/organisations, not that they abused their available domestic stock as such but they shared no remorse over any killing of these new players eg lions tigers

[sirdiablo69]

Hi
the most recent dream that captured my attention was a a brief, l was facing some local shop fronts that at a place and time of day that usually was abounding with people and commerce, yet in my vision it was not so all the shops were sealed shut, there were no people to be seen anywhere, the only forms of life evident in the places of retail trade that l could see where large numbers of stray dogs, seemingly the resukt of owners that could no longer feed them, and rather than responsably have them put down, large numbers of dogs where left of discarded whom in turn became the remaing signs of life in a location where their where no people to be seen. what woke me from this experience was seeing my own dog a german shepherd to my surprise all in rapid succession l saw my own dog there he place his paw on my chest just as quickly l awoke stunned by the combination of events ld just witnessed

[sirdiablo69]

last one for now.
about six months ago l guess l was asleep yet conscious of events as though a real life event, ld recently read some acticle pertending majors changes that could very well change ordainary peoples options, these changes where not climate changes not warfare yet happening in my local neighboorhood, l was nearby my local business disrtict comprising of various retail shops court house mall shopping centre etc yet not all was normal, l noticed that at an otherwise busy time for shoppers and retails store both, there were instead very few people to be seen and those that we their comprised of only a hand ful of men most in groups of three or so and very few of those too as well unusally so ther were no women to be seen at all, then in the middle of the day l was out of deperation for food i trying to break into a local sports gym to procure what l could in the form of protien supplements ld know them to have, please to paint a clearer picture l dont steal yet for reasons not quite clear to me in the dream their was very little food avaialble when usually the supermarkets have bountiful supplies as well as that for reasons not clear to me in the dream there was not only no food available in the shops but l also had no funds available to buy food either even if it was available, and my general impression was most people were in the same situation as me all of us unprepared for empty shelves at the supermarket as well as no money pay for anything that might be available that woke me with a real shock and drove home to me jsut how unprepaired l am and how vulnerable to any changes in the line of supply

[sirdiablo69]

RATIONS FOOD SOME SUGGESTED INEXPENSIVE OPTIONS PLUS
gday ok for those with severe budjetry restraints whom would rather eat than starve i offer for some affordable options before l do l must highlight the real possibilty yhat some of us may not be able to escape melb metro ahead of time that said l offer the following suggestions
the immediate and primary purchase you make is cheap large plastic vessels from the like of bunnings for water storage in your current residence do you maths for each person you require a minimum of 2 liters per day just for comsumption as well you are advise to allow up three months supply therfore for one person alone thats a minimum of 180 ltrs of water just fill them directlly from your domestic water outlet eg kitchen tap and store them prefferably out of direct sunlight you will also need to allow youself an additional 500mls per days minimum for the purpose of a cup bath that is in simplr terms a wash cloth that you soak and suds in a cup with soap and water over total body surface then rinse wash cloth in fresh cup of water then rinse of soapy body with same.
the reson for storing persnal water supply for emergency use in case there is a supply problem that doesnt get rectified due to potential anarchy and lose of current services
FOOD
really cheap and capable of sustaining life is oats raw plus tablespoon of honey with water to moisten, just as important you need aproximately 2ltrs of good quality virgin olive oil dosage approximately 1 tblespoon per day other you develop what they terms rabbits desease which can prove fatal
Add to the above approximatelly three large bootles of a mutlivitamin reccomend blackmores brand plus a three rather large bottles actually small tubes of vitamin c which effectivelly prevent any flu virus from turning into influenza or phneumonia to treat use a minimum 3000mg vit C ABD CONTINUE TO SELF DOss for atleast 1 week
ALSO purchase a good 6 to 7 garlic bulbs for garlic is a natural antibotic, also for successful treatment of MRSA which is that flesg eating virus that allready exisrs outside the hospital enviroment as noted by sydney doctors whom recently reported cases occuring in people who had not contact with any hospital MRSA is now the biggest killer of hospital patients in hospitals throughout england and cases increasing throughout the hospital systems in the developed world
FOOD again you also need to various seeds eg mung beans, alfalfa seeds, preferably about 30 kilos that you sprout simply by placeing a palmful in a glass jar with a fine mesh lid you can use womens stocking to make the make the mesh lid and secure it with a rubber band then twice a day you rinse the seeds in the glass jar with a snall quantity of water and leave in the windows sunlight to sprout sprouting seeds will provide you with en enournous ammount of quality living food that is high in nutrient value at a very low outlay
all the above will ensure you survival for the duration of your supplies
IMPORTANT VERY IMPORTANT DO NOT SHARE KNOWLEDGE OF YOUR SUPPLIES WITH ANYONE NOT YOUR NEIGHBOOR NOT YOUR VISITORS NOBODY AT ALL IF THE PROVERBIAL S** T HITS THE FAN YOU WILL BE KILLED FOR YOUR SUPPLIES
STARVATION MAKES PEOPLE DO THE MOST HORRIBLE THINGS BE WARNED

[sirdiablo69]

EXITING MELBOURNE PREPERATIONS
you will need a car and you will need a trailer
you already have the basic cheapest food list anything else is a luxury item
if their is a total collapse of the global finacial system even a local one then any cash you have will be good not even be worth the paper it is written on
therefore if you have some cash that you can use as the economy nosedives two other items are good bagaining chips
one is ciggarettes
the other is flasks of wiskey or rum
also make sure if you require any regular medications make sure you stock up on at least six mounths supply

[sirdiablo69]

Gday
l have plagerised some of the information that l have supplied on my posts there fore in evryones interest l offer one valueable reference site that will for a small fee l thinks its about twenty dollars provide a downloadable pdf file written by a a former speacial operations personal whom assisted american and south american governments instigate martial law this document may save your life and no l get no financial reward for letting you know this survivemartiallaw.com

[ahlgbell]

Hello and Welcome Foilla!

You are in for a treat traveling around this wondrous land of ours.Enjoy!

Are there any more members centered around Central Vic? I feel like I am in this part of the world all alone.

Would be willing to link up with somebody /anybody to share ideas etc/

Hi Aussie Babe

Just signed up today I live in Mansfield Victoria near Mt Buller willing to share/ideas ....Funny I was feeling all alone too...

[Johnno]

Hello and welcome ahlgbell. :welcomeani:
I hope your stay on Project Avalon will be a fruitful and interesting experience, and I'm hoping you can contribute in helping make the Victorian Ground Crew team one of the best in Australia, if not the world. :thumb_yello:
Welcome once again.
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[311 saint]

Hi Everyone,

Firstly I just wanted to say how good it is to finally connect with people close(r) to home :original:

I havent had the chance to look through all the posts yet, but it is very encouraging seeing just how much people are willing to give of themselves to put something into force.

I was actually wondering, since alot of info comes out of the US about how things are likely (or unlikely) to happen in the future, I would love some links to websites that could give me a better idea of how things are going to affect us here un Oz, and our NZ neighbours.

I will be able top have more input when I have some time to go through the posts :original:

Thanks all, and HI!
M@
:original:

[Aussie Babe]

Hello ahlgbell. Welcome to the forum. Isn't it great that we have a bunch of like minded people to share idea's with? Hope you find all the info you are looking for here!


Peace Barb

[Aussie Babe]

Hi 311 saint and Welcome!
Are you in Melbourne or Country Vic? There is very little info on what Aus and NZ can expect re Earth Changes,so to a large degree we are in the dark ( or at least I am )
When you get around to reading the rest of the posts you will find a couple of links to other forums/sites that will/are be full of info especially the AusSurvival one.
Just ask if there is anything you want to know,there is no guarantee that you will get an answer lol but at least try




Peace Barb.

[Aussie Babe]

Hi Everyone!

Came across this and thought it would make an interesting read and it has some good info.Like everything on survival most of it is USA orientated so have to just adapt it to Australian conditions.

http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=044387;p=1


Peace Barb

[Johnno]

A warm welcome to you 311 saint. :welcomeani:
As Aussie Babe has already asked, where abouts are you from in Victoria???
Take care and I look forward to seeing you more often around the friendly Victorian Ground Crew. :winksmiley02:
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

@Aussie Babe
I have to say that the link you provided was an excellent find Barb. :thumb_yello:
Its going to take a bit to digest, but from what little I've read so far, it can help Ground Crews immensely.
Well done Barb. Here's a kiss at ya. :huglove:
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[AussieG]

We have had some great info on this tread thanks to all.
However I still wish to meet with people to start a discussion group (many hand make light work) any suggestions. If you wish I will find a place and time, probably around Melb somewhere central to get things rolling:roll1:

There are two opposing forces at work, FEAR and LOVE. If you are feeling the fear they have already won. We can change this by focusing on our own destiny and make it happen, changing attitudes from "WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME" to "HOW CAN I HELP".:wink2:

[ForsakenFalcon]

*crys* Not Everything is souly based on

Fear <--------------->Love

Haven't u seen "Donnie Darko" life isn't that simple there are many aspect's to consider.....

What am I feeling? Fear or Love?

Awnser = Curiosiety for the time beeing. However if crap hit's the fan then My feeling's I would have to say "Justifieable" from that day on I only do what I moraly view as Justifieable.

[Pomguymguy]

Hello and Welcome Foilla!

You are in for a treat traveling around this wondrous land of ours.Enjoy!

Are there any more members centered around Central Vic? I feel like I am in this part of the world all alone.

Would be willing to link up with somebody /anybody to share ideas etc/

:thumb_yello: Hi Aussie Babe - You may guess from my name pomguymguy I am originally from the UK ! But now live in NE Victoria with my wife so not too far away from your area I guess? :)

[Johnno]

We have had some great info on this tread thanks to all.
However I still wish to meet with people to start a discussion group (many hand make light work) any suggestions. If you wish I will find a place and time, probably around Melb somewhere central to get things rolling :roll1:
I couldn't agree more. We do need to meet up, but there seems to be a lack of enthusiasm. I've put the question forward already in regards to a time and place for this meeting, but very few have responded, with the exceptions of yourself and sirdiablo69.
OK, I'm thinking of Saturday 18th of October '08 at say 2:00pm.
Location: Melbourne City Square - On the corner of Swanston and Collins Streets, Melbourne. Check the map below:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/Riggon/City_Square.jpg

I would recommend you get there via train and getting off at Flinders Street Station. Its not far from there.
Getting into the City via car will pose parking problems. I'll leave it up to you as to whether you go by train or by car.
Now, so we can identify who is the Ground Crew and who are just normal pedestrians, I suggest we wear a white tee-shirt, perhaps with "Victorian Ground Crew" printed on the back and "Project Avalon" on the front. Its not 100% necessary, but would make things a bit easier.
We can talk in the Square or we can find an outdoor coffee shop. I'll shout the first coffees. :cheers:
If the above isn't satisfactory, then please, I'm open to suggestions.
For those not familiar with Melbourne, your more than welcome to come to my place, leave your car there and you can come with me. Just PM me and I'll give you my address.
OK, now the step has been taken, I'll expect plenty of responses. Please don't disappoint.
Take care all and I look forward to hearing from you.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Johnno]

Hello Pomguymguy. Welcome to the Victorian Chapter of the Project Avalon Ground Crew. :welcomeani:
I hope you will join us in meeting up at the arranged spot as shown above.
Take care my friend, and once again welcome.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

P.S. What part of England did you come from???

[ForsakenFalcon]

lol I have no problem's meeting up with any one here, I do dislike the city though lol haven't been there for some years now.

[Johnno]

lol I have no problem's meeting up with any one here, I do dislike the city though lol haven't been there for some years now.
So does this mean you'll attend the meeting??? :biggrin2:
Take care and please let me know.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Lt Ripley]

Hey DarkMatter,

Count me in.

One exception tho: I look rubbish in white, therefore my sister is making us black T-shirts that will say "P.A. GROUND CREW" on the front. As I'm typing this, she also asked if we should wear foil on our heads....smart ass. :)

I work in the city so I'm familiar with the meeting place.

If anyone wants my mobile phone number in case of a change or whatever, PM me and I'll send it to you. :)

See you guys soon.

[Lt Ripley]

PS: That's two people coming, I meant to say. My sister and I will be making an appearance.

Cheers:naughty:

[AussieG]

Sometime it is all in the timing. Unfortunately I will be out of the state on that date, the only week I have had off in years I"ll be researching higher ground. The next weekend ( Sat.4th) is as close as I can get. If that is unsuitable please post 2nd meeting.

[sirdiablo69]

lol I have no problem's meeting up with any one here, I do dislike the city though lol haven't been there for some years now.

Gday All,
like Forsaken Falcon lve not travelled to the city for quite some time, and only out of extreme neccesity if l do so, add to that my extreme reluctance to travel aboard a train bus etc l understand the need to come together in person for intro's discusssions, planning and networking etc. l therefore to suggest a potential subcommittees based regional metro, eg. group/s in the nth, sth, east suburbs etc, myself of course located west of the city.

[sirdiablo69]

Hi Everyone,

Firstly I just wanted to say how good it is to finally connect with people close(r) to home :original:

I havent had the chance to look through all the posts yet, but it is very encouraging seeing just how much people are willing to give of themselves to put something into force.

I was actually wondering, since alot of info comes out of the US about how things are likely (or unlikely) to happen in the future, I would love some links to websites that could give me a better idea of how things are going to affect us here un Oz, and our NZ neighbours.

I will be able top have more input when I have some time to go through the posts :original:

Thanks all, and HI!
M@
:original:

Gday All,
with regards the hype forcused on the USA, and how much of their activies future may affect us. I need to draw your attention to several scenarios that although not all directly focused on australia/new zealand would still non the less have a significant effect on us here.

China recently issused a statement to the U.S.A to the effect that a collapse of the american dollar would been seen by the chinese as an act of war.
Were that so, if for example the U.S.A went to war with china under any pretence, australia/ new zealand based on existing treaties with the U.S.A be both compelled to participate, as well as considered by the chinese/ russians to be part of an american alliance, and hence one of the countries whom would come under attack.
lf there were not the issue of any WAR to deal with there is still the issue of quite possible pole shift, the results of which would be massive mega tsunamis resulting in the deaths of 80% of the global populace whom reside on coastal regions .
Failing any WARfare failing any poleshifts, a third highly likely scenerio could the dispersal of weaponised birdflu that has a kill rate of something like 80% of the global poipulation.

PLEASE NOTE
if any or all of the above scenerios occur, the survivors would be faced with enormous issues, ranging from extreme food shortages long term loss of water ,electricty, petrol as well as the infrastructure that provides them and there delivery to regular people

[vesta]

Hi Sir D,

news just in - the US congress has agreed to a form of bailout but whether this prevents the afore mentioned problems well I'm inclined to think some countries are just looking for an excuse.........:lightsabre:

Oh and btw, I hope the inaugural mtg of the VIC GC goes well for you all and that you get a great attendance! :original:

Would have loved to have met up with some of you but will have to wait for another opportunity! :tears:

Blessings,

Vesta.

[Johnno]

Hey DarkMatter,

Count me in.
Thank you Lt Ripley, your an angel. :winksmiley02:

One exception tho: I look rubbish in white, therefore my sister is making us black T-shirts that will say "P.A. GROUND CREW" on the front. As I'm typing this, she also asked if we should wear foil on our heads....smart ass.:)
Not a problem with using black. And "P.A. GROUND CREW" is good.
As for the tin foil on our heads, that sounds like a great idea........NOT :mfr_lol:

PS: That's two people coming, I meant to say. My sister and I will be making an appearance.
That's good your sister is involved as well. Is she a regular on the Forum??? If not, what is her christian name???
Take care Lt Ripley and thank you, you've made my day with yours and your sisters interest.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Johnno]

Sometime it is all in the timing. Unfortunately I will be out of the state on that date, the only week I have had off in years I"ll be researching higher ground. The next weekend ( Sat.4th) is as close as I can get. If that is unsuitable please post 2nd meeting
Do you mean the 4th of October??? If so, then I can't attend. I'll be in Queensland attending the Nexus Conference that weekend. Would say the 25th of October be OK for you instead??? It shouldn't be a hassle to do that, as I feel its very important to meet each other face to face as I dislike anyone missing out.
Lt Ripley, would this be OK with you and your sister???
Take care my friend and please let us know if this date will be more suitable for you.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Johnno]

Gday All,
like Forsaken Falcon lve not travelled to the city for quite some time, and only out of extreme neccesity if l do so, add to that my extreme reluctance to travel aboard a train bus etc l understand the need to come together in person for intro's discusssions, planning and networking etc. l therefore to suggest a potential subcommittees based regional metro, eg. group/s in the nth, sth, east suburbs etc, myself of course located west of the city.
I agree we need to form sub-committees, but unfortunately we need more members. So far I only know of you and myself being from the Western suburbs, though a two man committee is possible.
I still feel strongly that a face to face meeting is a very positive thing for the Victorian Ground Crew members. Its always good to know the face of the person you interact with on this Forum.
As for you attending this meeting, would it be better that you come to my place, then we can go together in my car??? Would this make it more comfortable for you???
Take care my friend and please let me know what you'd like to do.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[311 saint]

Hi again everyone,

I would agree in the fact that a meeting would be a great idea, at least initially as a way to get to know each other, and hear everyone's views on world issues and the like.

I did hope to get up to the Nexus Conference, but unfortunately my plans fell through :( so hopefully asnyone attending may be able to come back with some ideas or feedback for how future situations may affect us.

I also think that sub comittees would be beneficial as well since there may be some good resources in areas which we aren't aware of.

I am keen to head into the city for a meeting. I live in Box Hill, so only a short train ride away.

Just a quick thanks to everyone for being open to listen and aware of what could possibly be necessary change, expecially those with families. Even though I dont' have as many things holding me back as I am sure some others do, I still find it a very big thing to contemplate.

Sorry if posts are few and far between. I don't have much access to internet at moment
Thanks
M@

[ForsakenFalcon]

So does this mean you'll attend the meeting??? :biggrin2:
Take care and please let me know.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter


Can't promiss anything but I shouldn't have plans for that day it would realy just depend on my mood on the day and if I got enough adiquiet sleep the night befor.

However I'm NOT wearing a "Australian Ground Crew" Shirt lol I'm not walking through Frankston with one of those on @.@

[Johnno]

Hello 311 saint,
I very much appreciate you attending the meeting, thank you. :thumb_yello:
I'll be attending the conference for all 3 days with my son. I doubt very much I'll see every speaker though. I want to have a bit of fun while there, but I'll definitely attend when the speakers have something to contribute to the goals or ideals of Project Avalon. I'll **** in your ears and everyone elses about it at the meeting. :biggrin2:
Since you don't get on the internet much, I'll PM you with my phone numbers just in case.
Also have a look in here from time to time, as the actual date of the meeting may change. Might pay you to call me a few days before the meeting, if you can't get on the net, just to confirm the date.
Take care and I look forward to meeting you.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Johnno]

Hello ForsakenFalcon,
Not a worry if you can't make it, I don't want to push you, as I suffer from severe depression myself, and sometimes is a struggle to do anything at times.
But if you could make it, that would be fantastic. :groupwave:
As for not wearing a tee-shirt, that's fine. Its optional only, but does make it easier to know who's who when we first meet.
Take care my friend.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[ForsakenFalcon]

I'v been thinking lately that My grandparent's owne a nursery at hasting's I wounder if I should buy a ****load of bulk vegitible and fruit seed's? I'd oviously get them mega discounted lol.

[Johnno]

I'v been thinking lately that My grandparent's owne a nursery at hasting's I wounder if I should buy a ****load of bulk vegitible and fruit seed's? I'd oviously get them mega discounted lol.
Definitely worth it. Especially with the Mega discount. :mfr_lol:
Any chance you can get some prices on seeds??? I'm willing to pay normal retail prices. I don't expect a discount.
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[ForsakenFalcon]

I'll find out but with if I do get bulk I mean like box loads worth and I'd have enough to share them out to ppl here lol

[AussieG]

24th October is fine. The sub committee idea is great, but firstly lets just get together so we can sort these kind of issues out. Meet and greet, I'm sure we all have a lot to say. Let the collective conscious begin.:trumpet:

[Johnno]

24th October is fine. The sub committee idea is great, but firstly lets just get together so we can sort these kind of issues out. Meet and greet, I'm sure we all have a lot to say. Let the collective conscious begin.
That's terrific. :thumb_yello:
Yes we'll definitely have heaps to yak about. :gathering:
So, lets set this date, but it won't be 100% until approval from others.
OK. Can I get affirmatives from everyone who wishes to attend on the 24th of October '08 at 2:00pm. To meet in the Melbourne City Square on the corners of Swanston and Collins Streets.
Take care all and I'll post up a list.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Lt Ripley]

Hi DarkMatter and Co.,

Just confirming 24th Oct, 2008 is A-OK with us..."us" being Lt Ripley and sister (Krissy).

I work Mon-Fri, 9-5, so I'm available on weekends to do whatever. Most likely, I'll drive in and park the car at Crown Casino for $6.00. I take the stinking public transport during the week and I look forward to actually driving my car for a change...and less funky smells. :)

So yeah, I'm all good. I'll put it in the calender so I don't forget.

[Lt Ripley]

PS: We're from the south-east, past Dandenong.

I'm all for sub-regional meetings and such, but I feel we should establish a central base to start off with. Plus I think this would be a great opportunity for everyone to meet and see each other face to face.

:roll1:

[Johnno]

1st Meeting of the Project Avalon Victorian Ground Crew

To be held on Saturday the 25th of October 2008 at 2:00pm
Location: Melbourne City Square
Attendees:
DarkMatter (John) - Deer Park
AussieG - Box Hill
Lt Ripley - Dandenong
Don'tPanic - Dandenong
Peace2all - Warrandyte
Robski - Thomastown
ForsakenFalcon & Friend - Controlling The Iron Beast!

MAP

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j99/Riggon/City_Square.jpg

All you Victorians should have you names on this list. People from other states or country visting Melbourne are welcome to attend also.

[Lt Ripley]

Sweet :)

Looks good DarkMatter.

[AussieG]

Yipee!! well done Darkmatter I'll spread the word, I hope the square will be big enough.

[Don'tPanic]

Hey DarkMatter,

Count me in.

One exception tho: I look rubbish in white, therefore my sister is making us black T-shirts that will say "P.A. GROUND CREW" on the front. As I'm typing this, she also asked if we should wear foil on our heads....smart ass. :)

I work in the city so I'm familiar with the meeting place.

If anyone wants my mobile phone number in case of a change or whatever, PM me and I'll send it to you. :)

See you guys soon.

WELL, I thought the foil hat idea was good until I realised the scientologists may think we are mocking them and they might attack us :naughty:

I'm Krissy :original: HALLO! I'm looking forward to the meeting!

[Johnno]

Hello Krissy and welcome to the Victorian Ground Crew Thread, and of course, as a member of Project Avalon Forum. :welcomeani:
Looking forward to meeting you and sis. :thumb_yello:
Take care and I hope to see you posting like crazy.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Johnno]

To ALL Victorian Ground Crew Members
I spoke on the telephone with sirdiablo69 last night for about an hour, and he had some very interesting and great ideas on how to go about things when it comes to crunch time. Unfortunately he cannot make it to the meeting on the 24th, and I understand fully his reasons. But hopefully he and I will meet up personally to discuss things in more detail, to which I will relay to all attending the meeting.
Take care all and peace be with you. :mf_popeanim:
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

P.S. We need more members to pledge themselves for the meeting. So far the response has been a tad poor. DON'T worry we won't bite. :bash:

[Lt Ripley]

BUMP

Bumping this thread so that it can be seen by others interested in coming along to the 24th Oct meeting,

[sirdiablo69]

Gday All,
l would like to ask all of you how do feel. Specifically how does it feel when you entertain the doomsday scenarios provided by the whistleblowers. Im not just talking about what say as much as what those events really portray in there entirerity. l personally take most or the whistleblowers testimonies quite seriously even though l sincerely hope none of the events come to pass, l insist on making as many preparations to try and offset the disavantages we could easily encounter, for example l am trying to stockpile water in the likelyhood of temporay or longterm unavailability, even though we currentlly enjoy an abundant supply of mains water, and the list seems endless sofar as trying to cover even basic requirements.

[ForsakenFalcon]

anyone got a spare room to rent? =O
lol I may have to start looking for a new place soon >.>

[Aussie Babe]

Hello Pomguymguy! Yes you are up near me and living where my ancestors lived :) actually I think there are still some rellies there . Kerang was another place, they went forth and multiplied. Lmao

sirdiablo69 I agree with you and think it's a good idea that you store water and food of course and candles/torches.batteries for a start.

ForsakenFalcon Sorry hun wish I could help but afraid not.

All you guys that are meeting in Melbourne hope you have a good day and come up with a plan. Things are starting to get rather urgent. Afraid I won't be able to make it (health issues) and a long way to travel. But I wish you all the best of luck.

Peace to you all.
Barb

[Hoss the SURVIVER]

HI ALL

I've heard about this forum from a cobber in Vic, There is plenty of info on the net covers just about anything of interest.

I'm into liberating it to!! I've put this together from various sources
lternative Home Cleaning Solutions

In an effort to cut down the number and toxicity of the chemicals I use around the house, I've stocked up on a few safe, simple ingredients that can be used in most cleaning situations.

Table of contents

* Basic ingredients
o Baking soda
o Corn starch
o Soap (not detergent)
o Borax
o White vinegar
* When something a little more aggressive is needed.
o Isopropyl Alcohol
o Washing Soda (SAL Soda, sodium carbonate decahydrate)
o Citrus solvent
o Trisodium phosphate (TSP)
* Cleaning
o All-purpose cleaner
o Mold and mildew
o Dishwashing
o Dishwasher Soap
o Oven cleaner
o Laundry
o Glass cleaner
o Cleaning porcelain and fiberglass
o Drain cleaner
o To clean a teakettle
o To clean pots and pans
o Fire extinguisher residue
* Disinfectant
* Removing stains
o Carpet stains
o Wine and alcohol stains
o Blood stains
* Deodorizing
o Cooking odors
o Refrigerator odors
o Spilled milk odors
o Drain and garbage disposal odors
o Garbage pail odors
o Odors around the house
o Urine odors
o Toilet bowl odors.
o Humidifier odors
o Carpet odors
* Keep clean without running water

Basic ingredients

Baking soda

* Cleans, deodorizes, softens water, scours.

Corn starch

* Cleans, deodorizes, scours. Use to clean windows, polish furniture, clean carpets and rugs.

Soap (not detergent)

* Unscented liquid, flakes, powders or bars.

Borax

* Cleans, deodorizes, disinfects, softens water, cleans wallpaper, painted walls and floors. I keep some in an open container next to the kitchen sink, ever ready to dip a dish cloth into to clean a pot, the counter, etc. It makes a good non-abrasive alternative to scouring powder.

White vinegar

* Cuts grease, removes mildew, odors, some stains and wax build-up. I keep mine handy in a spray bottle.

When something a little more aggressive is needed.

Isopropyl Alcohol

* A disinfectant. Use with care - there is evidence it can cause illness.

Washing Soda (SAL Soda, sodium carbonate decahydrate)

* Cuts grease, removes stains, softens water, cleans wall, tiles, sinks and tubs. Be careful, washing soda can irritate mucous membranes. Do not use on aluminum.

Citrus solvent

* Cleans paint brushes, oil and grease, some stains. Use with care; may cause skin, lung or eye irritations.

Trisodium phosphate (TSP)

* A mixture of soda ash and phosphoric acid, it can be used on many jobs, such as cleaning drains or removing old paint. Use with care; TSP is toxic if swallowed.

Cleaning

All-purpose cleaner

Mix 1/2 cup vinegar and 1/4 cup baking soda (or 2 teaspoons borax) into 1/2 gallon (2 liters) water. Store and keep. Use for removal of water deposit stains on shower stall panels, bathroom chrome fixtures, windows, bathroom mirrors, etc.

Mold and mildew

A mixture of lemon juice or white vinegar and salt can be used to clean up mold and mildew. Or try mixing one part hydrogen peroxide (3%) with two parts water in a spray bottle and spray on areas with mold and mildew. Wait at least one hour before rinsing or using shower.

Dishwashing

Use liquid soap (not detergent). Add 2 or 3 tablespoons of vinegar to the warm, soapy water for tough jobs. Use borax instead of a dry cleanser to clean pots and pans. Borax is not abrasive. Wash fine china in a solution of borax and warm water. Rinse well. Towel dry. The china will sparkle.

Dishwasher Soap

Mix equal parts of borax and washing soda, but increase the washing soda if your water is hard.

Oven cleaner

Try a paste of baking soda, salt, and hot water.

Laundry

To freshen and brighten laundry and remove soils and stains add 1/2 to 3/4 cup of borax to each load together with the recommended amount of laundry detergent. For stains, presoak for half an hour. Borax also works to condition hard water.

For delicates, hand wash in a solution of 1/4 cup of borax and 1-2 tablespoons of detergent in a basin of warm water. Rinse in cool water, blot with a towel, and lay flat to dry.

Glass cleaner

To clean glass I spray on white vinegar and wipe dry.

Cleaning porcelain and fiberglass

Wipe with borax on a damp sponge, rinse, and wipe dry.

Drain cleaner

Try pouring a quarter cup of baking soda down the clogged drain, followed by a half cup of vinegar. Close the drain tightly until fizzing stops, then flush with boiling water.

To clean a teakettle

I discovered this one by accident. To brew a pot of pine needle tea instead of pouring hot water over pine needles in a teapot, I tossed the whole branch in the tea kettle and brought it to a boil. The tea was delicious. A few brews later as I was removing a branch to put in a fresh one for the next brew I noticed the lime deposits in the kettle were soft and mushy. With a bottle brush and good rinse the deposits came right off the kettle. So there you are. Cut a branch off your favorite eastern white pine tree, wash it well, and toss it in the kettle to boil for a while. Voila!

To clean pots and pans

I saw this tip somewhere but haven't tried it yet. To clean a stubborn pot or pan put some water and a little baking soda in the bottom of the pot or pan and bring it to a boil. Let it soak overnight and then wash it in the usual way.

Fire extinguisher residue

To clean up dry chemical fire extinguisher residue use:

* Vinegar & water for the bicarbonates
* Alcohol for the silicates

Disinfectant

Mix 1/4 cup borax with 1/2 gallon hot water. Use for wiping surfaces.

Removing stains

Carpet stains

Mix equal parts white vinegar and water in a spray bottle. Spray directly on stain, let sit for several minutes, and clean with a brush or sponge using warm soapy water.

Wine and alcohol stains

Dissolve 1/2 cup of borax in a pint of water. Sponge on the solution and wait a half hour. Then shampoo the stained area. Let dry and vacuum up the borax. The sooner these stains are addressed the better.

Blood stains

Get to work right away. Remove blood stains as soon as you find them. Try this. Use cold water. Hot or warm water will cook the blood and set the stain. If the stain is fresh, soak with cold water, scrub with a clean brush and blot dry. Repeat until the stain is gone. If the stain has been there a while try rubbing in shampoo, let it sit a while, scrub with a clean brush, then rinse with cold water. Repeat as necessary. For blood stains older than 24 hours, soak the material in cold water for about 1 hour then proceed as above.

Deodorizing

Cooking odors

Simmer vinegar (1 tbsp in 1 cup water) on the stove while cooking to absorb cooking odors. To get such smells as fish and onion off utensils and cutting boards, wipe with vinegar and rinse.

Refrigerator odors

Wash the refrigerator with a solution of borax and water. Rinse well.

Spilled milk odors

To neutralize spilled milk odors, dampen the spot and rub borax on. Let it dry then brush or vacuum up the borax.

Drain and garbage disposal odors

To eliminate drain and garbage disposal odors put 2-3 tablespoons of borax in the drain, let stand for about 15 minutes, then flush with water with the disposal on. Borax neutralizes acidic odors.

Garbage pail odors

Wash the garbage pail with a solution of borax and water. Sprinkle some borax in the bottom of the pail to keep it fresh.

Odors around the house

A mixture of baking soda with vinegar or lemon juice placed in small dishes will absorb odors around the house. Houseplants can help too.

Urine odors

To neutralize urine odors, dampen the spot and rub borax on. Let it dry then brush or vacuum up the borax. Use to neutralize pet urine odors also.

Toilet bowl odors.

Add 1/4 cup of borax to the bowl. Swish it about with the toilet brush and let stand 30 minutes (or overnight).

Humidifier odors

Wash with a solution of borax and water. Rinse well before refilling for use.

Carpet odors

Baking soda and cornstarch are both good carpet deodorizers.

Keep clean without running water

With some baking soda, a little vinegar, and a gallon or so of water it's possible to keep your body and hair clean when away from a source of running water. While boondocking in an RV for instance and you want to extend your stay.



&&**&&

Alternative Household Cleaning Solutions
for Septic System Owners

Many of the ready-made solutions we purchase to clean and maintain our homes contain poisonous or toxic chemicals. While the labels on these products contain signal words (caution, warning, danger or poison) to alert us about proper use or potential harm, many do not list the chemical ingredients in the product or hazards associated with the chemical. These chemicals can damage the effectiveness of your septic systems by killing the bacteria that breakdown the sewage sludge in your septic system.
There are safer alternative cleaners. The basic ingredients listed below can be mixed or used alone for many household cleaning tasks. Also, in the event of an accident, these ingredients can be identified by most consumers and healthcare professionals.

SELECTED BASIC CLEANING INGREDIENTS

Ingredient


General Use

Baking Soda


cleaner, deodorizer, fire extinguisher, scouring powder

Boiling Water


drain cleaner

Borax


cleaner, disinfectant, laundry aid, water softener

Lemon


cleaner

Salt&


cleaner

Soap


cleaner

White Vinegar


cleaner, deodorizer, grease cutter

Washing Soda


cleaner, laundry aid, grease cutter, stain remover, disinfectant

The following "recipes" offer less toxic alternatives to common cleansers.

ALL PURPOSE CLEANERS

1. Mix 1 teaspoon borax with 1 quart of warm water. Add a splash of lemon juice or vinegar to cut grease.
2. Mix 2 teaspoons borax and 1 teaspoon soap in 1 quart of water. Can be stored in a spray bottle.
3. Mix 3 tablespoons of washing soda per quart of warm water.

DISINFECTANT

1. Mix ¼ cup borax in 1/2 gallon hot water.

DRAIN CLEANERS

1. Prevention is the best method. Use a drain strainer. Do not pour grease down the drain.
2. For maintenance, pour about 1 gallon of boiling water down the drain weekly.
3. Pour ½ cup baking soda and ½ cup vinegar down drain. Close drain tightly until fizzing stops. Flush with one gallon boiling water.

FLOOR CLEANERS

1. Wood or vinyl floors – mix ¼ cup oil soap with 1 gallon of warm water.

METAL POLISHES

Brass, Bronze, and Copper

1. Mix equal amounts of salt and flour with a small amount of vinegar. Rub with a soft, damp cloth. Rinse and polish with a dry cloth.
2. Make a paste of lemon juice and salt and rub with a soft cloth; rinse with water and dry.
3. Use a slice of lemon sprinkled with baking soda. Rub brass with the lemon slice; rinse with water and dry.

Silver

1. Rub with a paste of baking soda and water.
2. Place a piece of aluminum foil to cover the bottom of pan. Add 2 to 3 inches of water. Add 1 teaspoon baking soda and 1 teaspoon salt per quart of water and bring to a boil. Add silver pieces and boil 2 to 3 minutes. Make sure the water covers the silver pieces. Remove silver, rinse, dry, and buff with a soft cloth.

OVEN CLEANERS

1. Prevention. Put sheet of aluminum foil on the oven floor. Be careful not to touch the heating element.
2. Mix 3 tablespoons of washing soda per quart of warm water. Spray on and wait 20 minutes. Scrub with a fine steel wool pad if necessary.

TUB, TILE AND TOILET CLEANER

1. Use soap and sponge, or a stiff brush and one of the following: baking soda, borax and salt.

WINDOW AND GLASS CLEANERS

1. Mix 1 part water to 1 part vinegar in a spray bottle. Wipe off with cleaning cloth.

WOOD POLISHES

Think Ill go get nosey elsewhere :smoke:

Collect your tit bits where ya find um I say
Hoss :yikes:
E G M :mf_rosetinted::giljotiini:

[ForsakenFalcon]

lol thanks AussieBabe but as far I'm safe I dunno how long for though =/
/sigh liveing with physophrenics is a nightmare at time's @.@

[Hoss the SURVIVER]

HI ALL

Melbourne No i got sick of that place twenty years ago.

A safe place ? well unless i knew for certain what was coming, I;m not going anywhere.
No POINT not at this time
Hoss
E G M

[Peace2all]

Hi All, Just joined this site but have been watching Camelot for some time. Was disappointed to find out too late that they were in QLD on weekend. Anyway we are from Melb. Warrandyte area. Have you noticed chem spraying in your area and people getting sick? Great to see kindred spirits exists in Melb!!!...Pep

[Johnno]

Hello All:Greetings from the Sunshine Coast
Hi to all,
Just a quick message from DarkMatter and KellyNUTS.
Im using the Sunshine Coast airports internet waiting for our flight back to Melbourne.
I have to say that the Nexus Conference was absolutely fantastic and I will be writing up a story on it as soon as I can.
Ive got an interview with Bill and Kerry on audio tape which goes for a couple of hours. I will transcribe it, then get Bill to post it up on the Project Camelot site for people to download. Give it a few days, as Im not sure when Bill can upload it
I have to say it was absolutely awesome to meet Bill and Kerry, and we had a bit to talk about.
KellyNUTS and I have met many wonderful people and it was a weekend to remember.
Got to get going now as we have to board our plane. Look forward to chatting with you all again soon.
Take care all and peace be with you.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Peace2all]

To ALL Victorian Ground Crew Members
I spoke on the telephone with sirdiablo69 last night for about an hour, and he had some very interesting and great ideas on how to go about things when it comes to crunch time. Unfortunately he cannot make it to the meeting on the 24th, and I understand fully his reasons. But hopefully he and I will meet up personally to discuss things in more detail, to which I will relay to all attending the meeting.
Take care all and peace be with you. :mf_popeanim:
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

P.S. We need more members to pledge themselves for the meeting. So far the response has been a tad poor. DON'T worry we won't bite. :bash:

HI All,
Just read about this and its a great idea, I'll be there on 24th and will look out for black/white t-shirts?

[Hoss the SURVIVER]

HI ALL

Apart from the fact that i hate Crap-city?

I'm on a disability pension, I am not going anywhere.

Hoss
E G m:trumpet:Taps for us

[Peace2all]

Hi, I just joined and sorry for trivial question but my picture which I uploaded from browse in set up page does not show on this page? Any hints? Also looking forward to meeting on Oct 24. .... PEP

[Johnno]

Hello to you Hoss the SURVIVER and welcome. :welcomeani:

HI ALL

Apart from the fact that i hate Crap-city?

I'm on a disability pension, I am not going anywhere.

Hoss
E G m:trumpet:Taps for us
I take it that you won't attend the meeting on the 24th??? :sad:
By the way, the info you provided in regards to cleaning material is excellent. Many thanx for that. :thumb_yello:
Take care my friend and I look forward to more post from you.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Johnno]

Afraid I won't be able to make it (health issues) and a long way to travel.
I'm sorry you can't make it to the meeting, but I'm more sorry that you are not well. I hope you get much better soon.

But I wish you all the best of luck.
Thank you Aussie Babe, its very much appreciated. :wink2:
Please take care and get well soon.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Johnno]

Hello and welcome to you Peace2all. :welcomeani:
I'll smack your name onto our list, and thank you for participating.
Look forward to reading your posts and meeting you on the 24th. :thumb_yello:
Take care.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Hoss the SURVIVER]

HI ALL

Info D M I've been er liberating it ever since i got on the net..

Then taking what i'm interested in and compiling it in a pdf doc

Be carefull what yee ask for You may get it :roll1: :thumb_yello:

Hoss
E G M

[Johnno]

HI ALL

Info D M I've been er liberating it ever since i got on the net..

Then taking what i'm interested in and compiling it in a pdf doc

Be carefull what yee ask for You may get it

Hoss
E G M
Hello Hoss,
Would be great if you could put it in pdf format. Provided it isn't too much of a hassle to do so.
Take care my friend.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Hoss the SURVIVER]

HI ALL

The meeting would be very unlikely I'm A single person on a disability pension.. I live ob 273 odd dollars a week. After all bills are out not much of anything left.

It is not a case of life ain't easy, more a case of REAL MONGERAL.

I found a program on the net called TOMAHAWK PDF + freeware2005.06.15 it converts to PDF via Rich text format. I've taken bits n pieces of what interests me into W/doc the save as RTF then run TOMAHAWK n PDF it

Tis a handy little program

Hoss
E G M

[Aussie Babe]

Hello Dark Matter! Good to see you got back in one piece, didn't fly Qantas did you? lol.

Thank you for your kind words I would love to be able to go to the meet and hopefully there will be a good turnout.
Welcome Hoss ... the more the merrier!
Is it my imagination or has this thread slowed down? Maybe all busy getting their preps together!

Peace to you all
Barb

[Johnno]

Hello Dark Matter! Good to see you got back in one piece, didn't fly Qantas did you? lol.
No, but a worse airline: Jetstar:mf_plasmawhore:
Here's what happened:
Stupid me didn't book the flight correctly. I asked to go to the Gold Coast.
When we arrived, I asked someone if I could get a taxi to our resort hotel. I was told it will cost around $400.00. "What???!!!", I said.
She told me we were 300k's away from that resort. She told us we should have booked to go to the Sunshine Coast, not the Gold Coast. :doh::throw::furious:
So we had to catch a taxi to the nearest railway station. Catch a train to take us to Brisbane Airport. Catch a shuttle bus from there to our resort hotel.
After three or so hours we finally got there.
Saturday morning I ring Jetstar to have our return flight transfered to the Sunshine Coast Airport, and was told it wasn't possible with the type of tickets I booked. Gritting my teeth, I had to book a new flight that set me back $474.00.
Jetstar have now been written off in my book.:thumbdown:

Thank you for your kind words I would love to be able to go to the meet and hopefully there will be a good turnout.
Your most welcome for the kind words. :wink2:

Is it my imagination or has this thread slowed down? Maybe all busy getting their preps together!
It has slowed down a tad. Hopefully we'll get more response as we near the meeting deadline.

How are you feeling??? Good I hope. Did you get my get well card???
Take care Barb, you look after yourself. :)
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[sirdiablo69]

Gday All,
you are correct barb the thread is rather slow, so here some gos lve spoken to another avalon member recently by phone several times over the past couple of days and ge has reported his intentions to travel to the vic alpine region in search for some safe havens. He also admitted to spending about $1000 on grocery items, in case of an unexpected food shortage.
l spoke with Dark Matter tonight over the phone, l must confess he is as nice in person as he is on this forum. l tend to dominate the conversations, in spite of that fault, Dark Matter still manages to be both polite, mature, combined with a strong foundation in common scenes. Which for me is like a breath of fresh air, even more so in contrast to some of us dealing in idealistic goals, that all too often lack any real practical application.

[Robski]

Hello to all the existing Melb/Vic Ground Crew,

I believe we all find ourselves in very exciting and awakening times to the survival and joys of life.
I'm based in the Northern Suburbs of Melbourne FYI. Many people with whom I speak with are becoming disheartened with the current way of life and are seeking alternative measures for greater happiness. Governments, religious figures are being exposed for who they really are and an awakening process is coming of age at a time of great need. My energies are primarily focused on spreading the word out to everyone I meet in the hope that more conscious thinking of our existence is developed and resonates throughout this planet.
I look forward in attending the meeting on the 24th and hope to round up as many like minded people on the day. DM I will confirm the numbers of attendees from the Northern Suburbs closer to the date if that's ok.

Also I've read some of the threads about how some of us are already collecting canned products as part of our survival mechanism. A word of caution here; canned products have a shelf life of generally 6 months. However, some canned foods may have a longer shelf life than originally stated depending on whether or not the product is more acidic than others. Higher acid based canned foods will certainly have a shorter shelf life.

I look forward in reciprocating via this needed thread with you all.

[Johnno]

l spoke with Dark Matter tonight over the phone, l must confess he is as nice in person as he is on this forum. l tend to dominate the conversations, in spite of that fault, Dark Matter still manages to be both polite, mature, combined with a strong foundation in common scenes. Which for me is like a breath of fresh air, even more so in contrast to some of us dealing in idealistic goals, that all too often lack any real practical application.
Thank you sirdiablo69, your comments are very much appreciated.:)
I have a great deal of patience for you as I value your views, common sense and your outlook to the possible problems ahead. You are the only one I know of that has the foresight in covering every aspect in regards to the worst case scenario/s.
I feel you have very much to contribute to the Ground Crew and I look forward to more future discussions.
Take care my friend and we'll talk again soon.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Johnno]

Hello to all the existing Melb/Vic Ground Crew,

I believe we all find ourselves in very exciting and awakening times to the survival and joys of life.
I'm based in the Northern Suburbs of Melbourne FYI. Many people with whom I speak with are becoming disheartened with the current way of life and are seeking alternative measures for greater happiness. Governments, religious figures are being exposed for who they really are and an awakening process is coming of age at a time of great need. My energies are primarily focused on spreading the word out to everyone I meet in the hope that more conscious thinking of our existence is developed and resonates throughout this planet.
I look forward in attending the meeting on the 24th and hope to round up as many like minded people on the day. DM I will confirm the numbers of attendees from the Northern Suburbs closer to the date if that's ok.

Also I've read some of the threads about how some of us are already collecting canned products as part of our survival mechanism. A word of caution here; canned products have a shelf life of generally 6 months. However, some canned foods may have a longer shelf life than originally stated depending on whether or not the product is more acidic than others. Higher acid based canned foods will certainly have a shorter shelf life.

I look forward in reciprocating via this needed thread with you all.
Hello Robski and a very warm welcome. :welcomeani:
Excellent thoughts and views there Robski. I feel you have much to contribute to the Ground Crew. I'm very happy to have you aboard. :thumb_yello:
Take care and peace be with you.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Hoss the SURVIVER]

HI ALL

I think it is a sign of the times!

With an uncertain future and a lying political system BUT :mf_popeanim:
BE HAPPY things can get WORSE :yikes::angel_not:

SO SMILE BE HAPPY n
SHARPEN DEE KUKKRI

We are not in the 1930's yet:yikes:

Hoss
E G M :smoke::smoke::smoke:

[Johnno]

To ALL Attending the Meeting

Seems that the date of the meeting is incorrect. Its not on the 24th, its on the 25th. The 24th is a Friday.
I'm sure this shouldn't matter, but if it does upset someones plans, then please let us know.
I've amended the date in our attendee list.
Take care all and peace be with you.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Johnno]

I have to say that I'm starting to get back my natural high. The same one I had during the Nexus Conference.
I had the most wondrous day yesterday and the night before.
The night before I called sirdiablo69 and had a great conversation with him, as he pointed out in his last post. He is a man with great ideas and was a joy speaking with him.
Yesterday I got a surprise phone call from Aussie Babe. She is one awesome lady and is another valuable member of the Victorian Ground Crew. It was as if we had been friends for years. It was such a joy talking to her and getting to know each other. She was the spark of the day, and I thank her dearly for it.
Last night I received a call from Lt Ripley. Boy, can my day get any better. :original:
We had a great conversation and talked about many varied themes. I could not believe the intelligence of this young lady, intelligence beyond her years. If I didn't know better, I would have thought she was a woman well into her 40's.
I cannot say in words what these telephone calls meant to me, all I can say that it was pure rapture, and Lt Ripley's call was the cream on the cake.
I'm putting this to you all just to demonstrate how wonderful people are with common goals and ideas can be. Its a kin that I, in all my 48 years (nearly 49):old: have never felt before. This is why now, I urge those who have not committed to attending the meeting on the 25th, you do so. You won't believe how good you will feel.
I'm sorry if you feel the above is not appropriate, but I felt I had to let people know the joy of talking to people that are on the same page.
Take care all and peace be with you.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Lt Ripley]

Hey everyone,

Thanks again to DarkMatter for going out on a limb and organising the Melb Ground Crew meeting on the 25th October.

I had the pleasure of speaking to DarkMatter on Friday and it was so refreshing to come across someone who not only thinks along the same lines as yourself, but actually understands and acknowledges your opinions and ideas. I have to admit, coming to Tuesday Oct 7, I was in panic mode and I really feared for the worst. Speaking to DarkMatter about the situation really put my mind at ease and it really helped to gain a different perspective on the matter at hand...I panicked for nothing! :lmao:

But once again, that's what being a member of the GC is really about!

On another note, my sister and I are making GC T-shirts for everyone attending the GC meeting on the 25th! I hope this helps motivate some people who are hiding to come out and join us for a laugh and a good ol' chat.

These will be hand-made and custom made to tailor each person as a consequence, I would be really appreciative if everyone attending could PM me their size. The T-shirts at this point we've chosen will be black, but we will jazz them up with some cool colours. Don't worry, we will not be picking out "happy" colours for the guys! :lmao:

Thanks once again guys and see you all soon!

[Peace2all]

Hi DarkMatter and all, We are really looking forward to the meeting on the 25th but my hubby was just wondering if meeting in the city was a good idea? His concerns are CCTV (cameras), ground crew t-shirts matched to our faces, etc.

[Johnno]

Thanks again to DarkMatter for going out on a limb and organising the Melb Ground Crew meeting on the 25th October.
Thank you Lt Ripley, your an angel. Here's a kiss at ya.... :huglove:

On another note, my sister and I are making GC T-shirts for everyone attending the GC meeting on the 25th! I hope this helps motivate some people who are hiding to come out and join us for a laugh and a good ol' chat.

These will be hand-made and custom made to tailor each person as a consequence, I would be really appreciative if everyone attending could PM me their size. The T-shirts at this point we've chosen will be black, but we will jazz them up with some cool colours. Don't worry, we will not be picking out "happy" colours for the guys!
This is absolutely superb. Many heartfelt thanks to Lt Ripley and Don'tPanic for the fantastic idea and for providing the tee-shirts. Here's a kiss for the both of you....:huglove: :huglove:
Thank you once again. I can't wait to see and wear them. :yikes:
Take care Lt Ripley.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[Johnno]

Hi DarkMatter and all, We are really looking forward to the meeting on the 25th but my hubby was just wondering if meeting in the city was a good idea? His concerns are CCTV (cameras), ground crew t-shirts matched to our faces, etc.
Hello Peace2all,
I can understand your fears, but I thought it best to meet in a public place so no one, especially the ladies, will not feel cornered if we say went to someones house or in a bar etc.
I was thinking of going to the square just to hook up, then go to say a cafe so we can have coffee's, and hopefully that may put everyone at ease.
I'm open to suggestions though. This meeting isn't in concrete and we can always make changes.
Please understand this: I am NOT the leader of the Melbourne/Victoria Ground Crew, even though I was the one that pushed this off. There is no one leader. Perhaps in the near future if we form a committee with various delegates, then yes, we may make someone President.
I have to tell you this:
I got another surprise today, Robski called me this arvo and we spoke for a bit. He was wondering what the agenda of the meeting might be. I was thinking of this as being a way to see the faces behind the user names and getting to know each other. Once we've become familiar and are at ease, I was hoping to limit the discussion to what our fears are, then this will give us a basis to work on at our next meeting. But if anyone wants to get deeper into the future issues, then by all means lets talk.
After this meeting, I was hoping to organize another two weeks later to be held at my place in Deer Park. Drinks and eats will be provided. Anyone wanting to crash at my place is more than welcome, especially if you've traveled from afar. But this can be all discussed on the 25th.
Once again, I'm open to any suggestions you may put, don't worry I won't bite. :chair: :biggrin2:
Take care all and peace be with you.
Best regards,
John
DarkMatter

[sirdiablo69]

Gday All,
good to hear you all touching base with Dark Matter, those that have already spoken with him will already know he is good natured guy. l hope to have the opportunity to meet with some of you in person if you happen to follow up the city meet with a meet at Dark Matters place
ciao

[sirdiablo69]

Hi DarkMatter and all, We are really looking forward to the meeting on the 25th but my hubby was just wondering if meeting in the city was a good idea? His concerns are CCTV (cameras), ground crew t-shirts matched to our faces, etc.

Gday Peacetoall,
l believe you are right on the mark, in fact even if their are no cctv l am dam sure the meet will be monitered, as is most likely this web site and all the postings.
l hope you all realize that this web site is in the USA and the recent changes to their laws allows the governerment to legally monitor all emails/phone calls/ faxes etc, just so you know we havent slipped under the radar.
l also hope you all know that the howard govt gave the US govt the leagal rights to grab any aussie they believe to be a potential terrorist and take them out of OZ.
You all do realize that to qualify as a suspected terrorist is as simple as breaking any US law as well that they dont need any evidence just a suspiscion, so we all qualify.

[Robski]

To live in fear is worst still. CCTV camera's or none should be furtherst from our minds before or when we all meet.
Our very survival is at stake here. Hence our gathering in summary is about hope, love and peace in which the joys of living is structured upon.

:original:

[Johnno]

To live in fear is worst still. CCTV camera's or none should be furtherst from our minds before or when we all meet.
Our very survival is at stake here. Hence our gathering in summary is about hope, love and peace in which the joys of living is structured upon.

:)
I appreciate your comments, very well said Robski. :winksmiley02: :thumb_yello:
Take care my friend.
Best regards,
Johnno
aka DarkMatter

[Aussie Babe]

Hi Guys!
Jeez sirdiablo those comments of yours just made my day .......Not! :mfr_omg: :mfr_lol:

I must confess I had no idea on that subject matter,do you have any more info in that regards..you have my email. :thumb_yello:

darkmatter (Johnno) :gathering:Thank you for the compliment :bleh: I too enjoyed our conversation what a lovely guy you are! I think we are lucky to have someone of your calibre to lead and guide us at this point in time.Of course sometime in the future someone else may step up to the plate but for the moment am happy to have you calling the shots ....so to speak. You have put a lot of time and effort into organizing things for us and for that I thank you!

Peace love and light to you all
Aussie Babe
Barb:flowers2:

[Peace2all]

Thanks Sirdiablo69 for your feedback, I felt a bit silly mentioning it but as parents and all - just seeing others had any views on it. Your info regarding the laws with Australia and US was appreciated. From what I have read Australia has no law stating Australian citizens rights or martial law in Australia. Do you know much about this. I saw a guy on A Current Affair programs some time this year wanting a bill of rights for Aust. Citizens to cover martial law rights etc.
I also agree with others that we should not live in fear - but at the same time safety or doubts should considered. Pep

[ForsakenFalcon]

if i do attented on the 25th will i be the only person under 30? lol not that age matter's just yeh if everones like over 40-50 except me it will be alittle awrkward

[Lt Ripley]

if i do attented on the 25th will i be the only person under 30? lol not that age matter's just yeh if everones like over 40-50 except me it will be alittle awrkward

I'm 26.

For the record too, I don't think it will be awkward at all. It's all in your head :)

Once you overcome the initial unease of meeting everyone, I'm sure you'll be OK. :thumb_yello:

[Lt Ripley]

OK, I just "properly" read all the posts in the thread! (Note to self: make that a habit).

I can see that some are concerned with wearing T-shirts with the GC insignia, etc on display.

I'd like to emphasise that there is no need to wear it - we are simply giving everyone a keepsake to commemorate the Melb GC formation.

Alternatively, we are happy to make bracelets or something else - we're open to suggestions.

In keeping with the theme, I'd also like to confirm the cut-off date for all T-shirt sizes (for those still interested) is 17th October (this Friday) so that we have plenty of time to get organised.

Cheers!

[ForsakenFalcon]

I'm 26.

For the record too, I don't think it will be awkward at all. It's all in your head :)

Once you overcome the initial unease of meeting everyone, I'm sure you'll be OK. :thumb_yello:

not so much that atleast then i can act more my age with ease (or eithen a few year's less at time's >.>)

[Robski]

I know some of you attended the Nexus conference, but I just found out that the Anastasia lecture will be presented by Leonid Shashkin in Glen Iris this Wednesday. http://www.ringingcedars.com.au

It would be an opportune time to mingle with others who are concerned about our way of life, particularly our environment in which we live in. I've spread the word throughout my whole email database.

This is an exciting time to live!!!!!

[Lt Ripley]

Thanks for the link Robski,

I'm still a bit sceptical of these books....somehow still reminds me of those "special Demtel steak knives" if anyone still remembers that! LOL

[Robski]

Lt Ripley,

It's been a while since I've seen that ad. I think they should bring it back for an old time laugh. I came across many whom had read the whole volume and some who were on their 3 or 4th volume that purchased the remainder at the exhibit area during the Nexus conference. They all had a life changing experience.

As I often meditate, visions of images that depicted the story of Anastasia appeared many months before I ever knew this existed. In fact this was the sole reason as to why I booked a flight to attend the Nexus conference.

[sirdiablo69]

Thanks Sirdiablo69 for your feedback, I felt a bit silly mentioning it but as parents and all - just seeing others had any views on it. Your info regarding the laws with Australia and US was appreciated. From what I have read Australia has no law stating Australian citizens rights or martial law in Australia. Do you know much about this. I saw a guy on A Current Affair programs some time this year wanting a bill of rights for Aust. Citizens to cover martial law rights etc.
I also agree with others that we should not live in fear - but at the same time safety or doubts should considered. Pep

Gday,
l shall endevour to share with you a method in common use, albeit one of many to control subdue public decent, it works really really good as you might notice, you may already know this one. Picture this ten to twenty fully armed troops in your home street of say fifty to eighty people, totally unexpectedly they are in your street, then they nock on every door/or kick it in then herd all the residents out in the street so you your neighboors are faced with heavily armed well trained killers, of course some citizens object, most do as they are told for fear of retribution, then they choose the biggest most intimidationg neighboor and perhaps include one or two outspoken neighbors which they execute in front of all the rest of the people so they all se whats happening, it might be a quick death it might be a more iolent such as a beheading then the remainder of your neighbors a good 60 or seventy people are told to do exactly as they are told otherwise they son or their daughter or their wife gets the same treatment or worse, then they all get to return to there homes , with the knowledge and belief that if they dont cause any trouble do exactly as they are told they and their loved might just live to see a better day.
And that plus that and worse is how a relatively small number of solders can maintain control over a much larger population.
Add to that that in Australia thanks to the port athur masacare by Martin Bryant, nearly nobody has/owns or bothers to own, any weapons/firearms that would be be of any real determent to martial law implimentation.

[sirdiablo69]

Thanks Sirdiablo69 for your feedback, I felt a bit silly mentioning it but as parents and all - just seeing others had any views on it. Your info regarding the laws with Australia and US was appreciated. From what I have read Australia has no law stating Australian citizens rights or martial law in Australia. Do you know much about this. I saw a guy on A Current Affair programs some time this year wanting a bill of rights for Aust. Citizens to cover martial law rights etc.
I also agree with others that we should not live in fear - but at the same time safety or doubts should considered. Pep

Changes to our laws to allow for the implimentation of martial law, l assure you one and all that just like the patriot act 1 and 2 in the USA that have been implimented since 9/11, have already been written, so if/when australia has the nessecary catalyst, e.g some ******** breach in security, acted out by some ******** terrorist group, the various political factions introduce new measures/ changes in law that allow us to be lead down the same path, all in the name of freedom and security, yet it turns out to victimise the same people it claimed to protect, if they object.
i ASSURE YOU SOME WILL OBJECT whilst most will do what ever it takes to stay alive.

[sirdiablo69]

DO YOU HAVE VIRTUALLY LIMITLESS POWER AND WEALTH AT YOUR FINGERTIPS? WHAT YOU DONT? READ ON
FACT there are aproximately 5,000 people on this planet that do have all the above. AFFECTIONATELY TERMED THE SUPER ELITE
So what does that mean, it means that each one of those $5,000 people have in essence a potential workforce of approximately 1,000,000 people each from whom to choose from. Do you need 1,000,000 to do your bidding for you, of course you dont, and neither do they. Even 1,000 people would be more than enough to provide you with all the help you couls possibly dream of.
PROBLEM, what do they do with the other 900.000 people that are not needed?
MMM l wonder, a good old fashioned war could help reduce the number a little maybe as many as 200.000.
That still leaves 700.000, l know maybe an AIDS virus could remove, 100,000 if they are gay/drug users.
Got another idea a pandemic perhaps something like SARS nah tried that one wasnt very effective ah l got a good idea lets dig up the dead victims from the spanish flu in 1918 that killed othe 50,000,000 world wide and lets make it more effective, great idea actually its just about ready for distribution.
ARE YOU WORRIED YET, YOU SHOULD BE?
WHAT you say it couldnt happen WHAT you say those people we vote for wouldnt let it happen, WHAT you say ROYAL FAMILIES and and the wealthy minorities that pull the strings dont want it to happen. wake up and smell the coffee your must have been in disneyland.
I will give all of you a very easy project to do qite simple and the results unfortunatelly will alarm all you good folk out there.
Bring up the topic, with friends/associates/ family members with regards the 6 billion people that reside on the planet, then happen to mention the plan for population reduction, and ask them if its a good idea, l did and was shocked to discover ho many people considered that a good/nessecary idea.
l qute agree that those same people in the interests of their fellow man should perhaps kill themselves their family etc if they want to support their desire for population reduction, l know l dont!

[sirdiablo69]

Thanks Sirdiablo69 for your feedback, I felt a bit silly mentioning it but as parents and all - just seeing others had any views on it. Your info regarding the laws with Australia and US was appreciated. From what I have read Australia has no law stating Australian citizens rights or martial law in Australia. Do you know much about this. I saw a guy on A Current Affair programs some time this year wanting a bill of rights for Aust. Citizens to cover martial law rights etc.
I also agree with others that we should not live in fear - but at the same time safety or doubts should considered. Pep

Changes to our laws to allow for the implimentation of martial law, l assure you one and all that just like the patriot act 1 and 2 in the USA that have been implimented since 9/11, have already been written, so if/when australia has the nessecary catalyst, e.g some ******** breach in security, acted out by some ******** terrorist group, the various political factions introduce new measures/ changes in law that allow us to be lead down the same path, all in the name of freedom and security, yet it turns out to victimise the same people it claimed to protect, if they object.
i ASSURE YOU SOME WILL OBJECT whilst most will do what ever it takes to stay alive.

[Peace2all]

WOW.... I am worried now.... speechless. Right now I will clutch to a corny phrase.... Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Lets hope it never gets to this. Pep

[Robski]

Sirdiablo69

I guess you've heard of eugenics, and the treatment of humans as nothing but experimental guinea pigs. It's been going on since the beginning of last century. The problem is that it's becoming evident more every year.

People think that EU is something that has nothing to do with us. You only have to look at what these APEC sumits are about. Clearly it is a unified agenda of forming APU (Asia Pacific Union) and bridge all continents for a one world order.

We need to focus on our very right to live in freedom and independant thinking. I can go on but I'd rather focus on the beauty of humanity instead.

[sirdiablo69]

DIScussion regards Martial Law Scenorios,
The threat of Martial Law is only one of many many control mechanisms, available. Those methods in part we all to some extent employ for personal use, be it a simple punishment/reward system to encourage desirable behaviour in others, which features more obviously in the training of domestic pets or rather obtrusively used among human interactions.
l would suppose therfore in any real evaluation of the above one would need to consider how much is too much and how much is too little.
As well to consider factors involving the freedom to choose, and make determinations that impact on our present and future, within that same field we need to ask ourselves the question do we really want to be personally involved in every single desicion that gets made, an easy example is does it matter if you eat chicken tonight or do you prefer pork. Does IT matter if THEY use detergent A or Detregent B when they wash your clothes, Of course the list can be endless number of chioces, at some piont we decied that some of the decision making can be left to others.
That then in turn gives someone else the chioces that are made for us usually without to many problems.
BUT HERE LIES THE REAL PROBLEM
their amongst us those whom see this role as a goldern opportunity to sieze control of whom and whatever they like, and make a wonderful profit in the process, rather like a tax.
Over Time these same desicion makers, also make desicions regards the fate of many, and argue its for the greater good od us all.Then bring in their expects analysts claiming its too complicated for the untrained to make such informed chioces so their paid experts make them for us, all for the greater good
Over Time the desicion makers/leaders and their chior or experts become distanced, and quite seperate from those effected by those descisions, and begin to veiw themselves as the chosen ones left to decide the fate of the human race, believing in part the mainstream population couldnt isnt capable of the nessecary chioces made for the greater good, so they choose our fate for us because thats what they ro best.
If along the way others have to die or be imprisoned, to maintain our desicion makers postions and future so be it after all its for the greater good
DO YOU GET THE PICTURE BECAUSE THE PICTURE GETS REALLY REALLY UGLY

[sirdiablo69]

AS DETESTABLE AS IT IS HOMER SIMPSON TELLS HIS WIFE DO YOU WANT THE TRUTH YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH, SO HE DOESNT TELL HER THE WRONG HE HAS DONE, and that in my opinion is what we are faced with when dealing with those in power. We so not get the truth from them because if we did we would say WHY THE HELL DIDNT YOU TELL ME, AND WHY THE HELL DID YOU LEAVE IT SO LATE WHEN YOU DID, YOUR FIRED IMMEDIATELLY, WOULD LIKELY BE OUR RESPONSE.

[Robski]

There is a common ground here.
THE UGLINESS IS THE FATE OF THE BILDENBERG GROUP NOT OURS.
Time is running out I admit, but we the people, the very birth right of this planet, will undergo a psychological awakening or cleansing before the handful of low vibrational, power hungry individuals (of which there are so few), will see their objectives fulfilled.

[Robski]

AS DETESTABLE AS IT IS HOMER SIMPSON TELLS HIS WIFE DO YOU WANT THE TRUTH YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH, SO HE DOESNT TELL HER THE WRONG HE HAS DONE, and that in my opinion is what we are faced with when dealing with those in power. We so not get the truth from them because if we did we would say WHY THE HELL DIDNT YOU TELL ME, AND WHY THE HELL DID YOU LEAVE IT SO LATE WHEN YOU DID, YOUR FIRED IMMEDIATELLY, WOULD LIKELY BE OUR RESPONSE.

This is the very reason that we need to take on the thinking for ourselves and have society reclaim it's rightful ownership of ITSELF!

[sirdiablo69]

Sirdiablo69

I guess you've heard of eugenics, and the treatment of humans as nothing but experimental guinea pigs. It's been going on since the beginning of last century. The problem is that it's becoming evident more every year.

People think that EU is something that has nothing to do with us. You only have to look at what these APEC sumits are about. Clearly it is a unified agenda of forming APU (Asia Pacific Union) and bridge all continents for a one world order.

We need to focus on our very right to live in freedom and independant thinking. I can go on but I'd rather focus on the beauty of humanity instead.

YOUR FUNNY
ITS like saying Dam the neighbors dog just crapped on my lawn again,
Followed by Oh look at that beautiful flower

[sirdiablo69]

Sirdiablo69

I guess you've heard of eugenics, and the treatment of humans as nothing but experimental guinea pigs. It's been going on since the beginning of last century. The problem is that it's becoming evident more every year.

People think that EU is something that has nothing to do with us. You only have to look at what these APEC sumits are about. Clearly it is a unified agenda of forming APU (Asia Pacific Union) and bridge all continents for a one world order.

We need to focus on our very right to live in freedom and independant thinking. I can go on but I'd rather focus on the beauty of humanity instead.

HEY Robski
your obviously familiar with the plan for world Government to be done in increments, the EUROPEAN UNION the NORTH AMERICAN UNION the ASIAN UNION (WHICH INCLUDES OZ) Jesus man a couple mths ago that attention seeking BONO from U2 was calling for the formation of the AFRICAN UNION then when l heard RUDD the DUD call for the ASIAN UNION l swear he lost me totally

[sirdiablo69]

There is a common ground here.
THE UGLINESS IS THE FATE OF THE BILDENBERG GROUP NOT OURS.
Time is running out I admit, but we the people, the very birth right of this planet, will undergo a psychological awakening or cleansing before the handful of low vibrational, power hungry individuals (of which there are so few), will see their objectives fulfilled.

It would be nice and easy to blame just one group eg BUILDERBERGERS, unfortunatelly the offenders are not so readily definable.
For Example I regulary notice online ads claiming Rudd has 130 IQ assuming thats correct he is supposedly quite intelligent, so please explain how if he isnt in bed with these same peoples, why does he help promote the agenda for a global body to police the finicial industry comprised of the very same people that created it, or heavily associated with corrupt banking procedures eg IMF whom under the guise of assisting third world countries efffectively end up with minerals/ natural resourses belongong to those countries

[Johnno]

darkmatter (Johnno):gathering:Thank you for the compliment:bleh: I too enjoyed our conversation what a lovely guy you are! I think we are lucky to have someone of your calibre to lead and guide us at this point in time.Of course sometime in the future someone else may step up to the plate but for the moment am happy to have you calling the shots ....so to speak. You have put a lot of time and effort into organizing things for us and for that I thank you!
Thank you Aussie Babe and your most welcome. :wink2:
Take care Barb.
Best regards,
John
Johnno aka DarkMatter

[Johnno]

I have to say WOW!!! :yikes: This thread has picked up very well in one day, and I'm very pleased.
Please let me relate a story:
I met a friend around 2002. He called me out of the blue and I didn't know him from a bar of soap. He introduced himself as a fellow X-Box and Playstation 2 console modder. He asked if I could help him out in repairing a few Playstations, to which I agreed.
We met at my place and really got to know each other.
I found out later that he was a whizz with PC's. I thought he was just good at keeping them in tune, as some people have got a real good knack at sussing out PC problems, but little did I know how deep his involvement in PC's really was.
It wasn't long when one day we were just talking generally that I complained to him about all the spam e-mails I was getting, particularly from one web site (I can't remember which) i had visited.
He asked me to show him on the PC, to which I did.
He then started fooling around on the keyboard and plugged in a USB stick and activated a program on it. I didn't have a clue what he was doing. After around 10 or so minutes, he told me he caused that web site to crash. So he let me on the PC and sure enough, when I tried getting onto that web site, it came up with the 401 error. To say the least, I was extremely impressed. He told me a story to which I won't put on here, but let me just say that in his earlier days he and a few others got caught in a major way in regards to hacking and was put in prison over it. For anyone wanting to know what he did, then bring it up when we meet or talk on the telephone.
Since I was so impressed at what he'd done, I asked him to give me some more examples, to which he did.
He said that in the next couple of days, he will break into two of my Yahoo and one Hotmail accounts and send e-mails to each account. In fact it was just the next day that I found that my Hotmail account sent an e-mail to one of my Yahoo accounts and vice-versa, all with his signature. Once again I was impressed, but at the same time I was a tad worried also. If a hacker of his caliber could do what he could, imagine someone trained to do this, lets say a department of the FBI, MI5, ASIO etc.

My whole point to the above is this:
No matter how careful you want to be in regards to your activities on the internet, if the government want to know about you they can easily find out. Its an extremely difficult thing to do to remain annonomous, they can easily find you no matter what.
I realize our government may be trying to monitor its population by surveillance via CCTV cameras, but how else do we meet up???
We're not being terrorists, so I don't think we need to worry about being spied on. If so, so what??? We are just having a get together.
The last thing is us being overly paranoid, that's the gist of what I'm getting at. It would be much different if we were under Martial Law but we are not. So PLEASE DON'T PANIC.
Sorry for the long winded essay. :cheerful_h4h:
Take care all and peace be with you.
Best regards,
John
Johnno aka DarkMatter

[Johnno]

if i do attented on the 25th will i be the only person under 30? lol not that age matter's just yeh if everones like over 40-50 except me it will be alittle awrkward
Age won't be an issue. I and the others would really love to have you at the meeting. I feel and I'm sure the others do as well, you can be a very valuable member of the crew.
Please try and come. :biggrin2:
Take care my friend and peace be with you.
Best regards,
John
Johnno aka DarkMatter

[ForsakenFalcon]

Age won't be an issue. I and the others would really love to have you at the meeting. I feel and I'm sure the others do as well, you can be a very valuable member of the crew.
Please try and come. :biggrin2:
Take care my friend and peace be with you.
Best regards,
John
Johnno aka DarkMatter

A Friend of mine in real life want's to go so I'm probaly 85% sure I/We will turn up I guess it will do Me some good to get sunlight again too lol.

only a week and a half to wait @.@ scarey (metaphoricaly)

[Robski]

YOUR FUNNY
ITS like saying Dam the neighbors dog just crapped on my lawn again,
Followed by Oh look at that beautiful flower

I'm glad you've given me an external perspective of myself as I often have to look into the mirror to smile at what I see.

In regards to RUDD and his herioc US counterparts, Kissenger, Murdoch, UN buddies he's as bad as the former leader of Oz. We're not immuned from the American style of elections nor the development of governmental theatrics for the audience that are converging thinkers. The task at hand is, how do we get the message of diverging thinkers across to the majority converging thinkers. The message to awaken all has to form a behavioural change so that they will stand up and voice their opinions out loud. This is what politicians, dictators, since the existence of human civilisation have utilised for their empirical, egotistical agendas.

Oh by the way learn to breath through your belly rather than your chest; it helps provide a much calming state of being.:winksmiley02:

[Johnno]

A Friend of mine in real life want's to go so I'm probaly 85% sure I/We will turn up I guess it will do Me some good to get sunlight again too lol.

only a week and a half to wait @.@ scarey (metaphoricaly)
Would be magical for you to come, and by all means bring your friend. The more in the Ground Crew the better.
Take care and peace be with you.
Best regards,
John
Johnno

[sirdiablo69]

I'm glad you've given me an external perspective of myself as I often have to look into the mirror to smile at what I see.

In regards to RUDD and his herioc US counterparts, Kissenger, Murdoch, UN buddies he's as bad as the former leader of Oz. We're not immuned from the American style of elections nor the development of governmental theatrics for the audience that are converging thinkers. The task at hand is, how do we get the message of diverging thinkers across to the majority converging thinkers. The message to awaken all has to form a behavioural change so that they will stand up and voice their opinions out loud. This is what politicians, dictators, since the existence of human civilisation have utilised for their empirical, egotistical agendas.

Oh by the way learn to breath through your belly rather than your chest; it helps provide a much calming state of being.:winksmiley02:

Gday Robski,
I sometimes like to ask people if they would like to see if GOD has a sense of humour naturally they say yes , so then l girect them to look in a mirror, Glad to hear you have achieved that enlightening experience.

As for redirecting/re=edudating the masses of humanity towards a similiar way of thinking/behaving , is quite frankly a momumental task that would effectively require years of social engineering on an enormous scale, which would require anyone/group total access to the educatian system, the mass media, most of he religous leaders etc etc, most all of the pervasive methodologies available to the existing power brokers, whomever they may be.
Even if all those tools where at our diposal, would we doing in effect really be any different to those currently in control of those facilities.
And where all that possible do we have any system available that ould create a better world.
If you are talking about rewriting the rule book and everthing that goes with it you need to realize what currently exists is in large the by product of thousands and thousands of years of civilization,
What we are doing may be just the flavour of the month, but will it stand the test of time, and will be safeguarded from any future corruption.

As noble as your intensions are perhaps uou should also ask yourself wwhat where the redifining experiences/revelations in your life that lead you to make your changes and would those same experiences work with everyone else.

[sirdiablo69]

I'm glad you've given me an external perspective of myself as I often have to look into the mirror to smile at what I see.

In regards to RUDD and his herioc US counterparts, Kissenger, Murdoch, UN buddies he's as bad as the former leader of Oz. We're not immuned from the American style of elections nor the development of governmental theatrics for the audience that are converging thinkers. The task at hand is, how do we get the message of diverging thinkers across to the majority converging thinkers. The message to awaken all has to form a behavioural change so that they will stand up and voice their opinions out loud. This is what politicians, dictators, since the existence of human civilisation have utilised for their empirical, egotistical agendas.

Oh by the way learn to breath through your belly rather than your chest; it helps provide a much calming state of being.:winksmiley02:

Hi ROBSKI
at the risk of sounding like a bragart belly breathing is something lve done for the past 25 yrs

[Lt Ripley]

Hi guys,

Just in support of Johnno's post earlier regarding the concern of many over security issues at the meeting: this is just a group of people coming together to exchange ideas over a coffee or tea (whatever rocks your boat).

I, for one, don't like the idea of being a cyber contributor...mainly because of its limitations. There's only so much I can do from looking at the box all day.

There are people all over the country getting together and some for relatively more sinister reasons. Don't allow fear to control your life...I've done so for many years.

I'm sure I can speak for Johnno here as well, but we're both looking forward to the meeting and would love for everyone to consider making an appearance, if possible and within their means.

On another note, I just wanted to remind those already coming to PM me their preferred T-shirt size by 17th October (Friday) so I can get cracking on those soon.

I hope everyone has a fab week! :trumpet:

Lt Ripley

[Hoss the SURVIVER]

HI ALL

Just in case Any of us VIC bandits have never heard of http://www.oism.org/nwss/ Thia is a dammed good site on nuke survival Kearnies Book I mean.

Hoss dee tell the bastards nothing fella.
E G M

[pai]

Hi Everyone,

I am a newcomer to these forums, but a survivalist from way back.

I live in cockatoo VIC, behind Mt Dandenong, backing onto the Warburton Ranges - which I feel is a good tactical location, should things go pear-shaped in the CBD and suburbs around the metropolitan areas, with enough time to head inland, as well as an elevated position and shielding from the mountains.

I have read as much of this thread as I can in the last week, and have enjoyed it thoroughly and am interested to hear where everyone is up to in so far as group-meetings and planning.

Keep up the good work everyone!

Pai

[Johnno]

Hello pai and a warm welcome to the Forum and the Melbourne/Victoria thread. :welcomeani:
Cockatoo is definitely a good pozzie to be in. I doubt you'd need to go further inland. :thumb_yello:
I'm hoping that you would like to attend the Melbourne/Victoria Ground Crew meeting in the 24th? We'd love to have you come and meet everyone. :D
Take care my friend and please let us know if you would like to attend the meeting.
Best regards,
John
Johnno

[Tuza]

I was thinking Halls Gap and that other place where Cliff Young - the older guy who shuffled from Sydney to Melbourne - that place where he lived. Also if looking at land I myself would probably get a good dowser to check for water so I could maybe have bore? spring well water.

[Johnno]

Hello Tuza,
Aussie Babe also suggested Halls Gap when I spoke to her on the phone about a week ago.
I remember going to Halls Gap for a school holiday/excursion when I was in High school, and I absolutely loved the place.
Tuza, are you interested at all in coming to the meeting on the 24th?
Take care my friend and peace be with you.
Best regards,
John
Johnno

[Tuza]

Hi Johnno,

Could you let me know what time and place. It depends on work and other committments. I have heaps of ideas about what you could do with land but if I can't get there next week, I will relay these things to you if that is okay.:original:

[Peace2all]

Hi Pia, Glad to see others in Melbourne becoming aware. You will find lots of nice people and HEAPS of helpful information from practical health tips to way out spiritual and inspiring topics on this forum, take a pick!

Tuza I am interested to also hear more of your ideas with locations etc around Melbourne. It will be good to eventually catch up to exchange ideas! Have a good day everyone. Pep

[Tuza]

Beech Forest in Vic would be another good location for me to look at as if you put up the Victoria Google map you will see there are a couple of lakes not far away.

Blackwood, Vic apparently has mineral springs as does Daylesford, so I would try and tap into the mineral springs as the water would be great for people's health, a true wonder and a natural resource. As I said before see if it is possible to get a professional dowser to dowse for water on land your thinking of so you can get access to it, but there are a lot of mineral springs around above as I have stated which are great healthwise.

Also the above places are far enough away to be inclusive but not that far away that you could not get help if needed, re medical emergencies and so on.

The soil around these places is also good, rich and fertile for growing food.

I would search hobbit house in the forum as that is the type of dwellings I would put on my land, half under the ground which would prevent the problem of heat and cold and also help with prying eyes looking for conventional housing.:original:

[Robski]

I attended the Lecture about Anastasia of the Ringing Cedar books by Leonis Sharashkin both in Queensland and Victoria. If there is one important comment that I would take from the lecture that has relevance to the prosperity of any Ground Crew is have a taste of rural life first before considering whether or not it's what you would like or have the ability to sustain. Most city dwellers that make sea changes in their lives have all the conveniences at their finger tips. In the case of the Ground Crew life will be much more primative than most of us have ever experienced. I'm merely trying to place a realistic overview of the harshness of rural life. There isn't any cotton wool to protect us from the cold. However, such life will certainly become more fulfilling in both a physical and spiritual sense.

[pai]

Thanks for the warm welcome! its great to find so many lovely and intelligent people.

I have some background with strawbale building techniques, and like Tuza, am Planning on putting an underground home on some property, once I get the money for this.

Underground building is really comparatively easy to modern day building techniques.

I wont be able to attend the meeting this 24th, as I have alot on in the next 2 weeks. Where was the meeting to be held, and where and when will the next one be? I am really keen to meet everyone.

Cheers,

Pai

[Tuza]

As everyone knows potatoes are easy to grow (just have to throw a few old ones in the ground) and they take off. Pumpkin, cauliflower, herbs, broccoli are also easy to grow.

You can get a big water tank for about $80.00 at Bunnings to collect water and filter it for vegetables or whatever as well.

If I could financially I would also see if I could put some solar panels up for some energy, but as far as heating, cooling and being inconspicous goes the hobbit is a great way to go.

[Don'tPanic]

only four more days until Melbourne ground crew meeting!

are we excited or what?!?!

:original:

[Johnno]

@Tuza
For the meeting details check the following page. Just scroll down a bit:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1683&page=5

@Pia
The next meeting may be 2 weeks later which will be held at my place in Deer Park, around 8th of November. Drinks and eats will be provided. But this will depend on how many come. No point having a meeting if only one or two turn up. I'll keep you posted though, so don't worry. :winksmiley02:

@Don'tPanic
I can't wait. :gathering:
I hope you've really tricked out my tee-shirt. Might make me look macho for once. :naughty:
Take care all and peace be with you.
Best regards,
John

[ForsakenFalcon]

3 more days @.@ I'm scared.

[Aussie Babe]

Hi Guys!
"Most city dwellers that make sea changes in their lives have all the conveniences at their finger tips. In the case of the Ground Crew life will be much more primative than most of us have ever experienced. I'm merely trying to place a realistic overview of the harshness of rural life."
How right you are Robski when we moved from Melbourne to the country it was a real shock.
If you were not organised you were in a fix especially if you got unexpected guests over the week-end. There was no running to the supermarket to get food etc they were not open. It took me awhile but finally got the hang of it :mfr_lol: Everything closed at noon on a Saturday and if you ran out of milk ....stiff..:lol3: In a survival situation it would be harder again ie: is the supermarket going to have any food on the shelf to buy?Theses things need to be thought about,it's no good having a safe place to go if you have no food or water to sustain you:wall:

ForsakenFalcon You will enjoy meeting all those like minded people and remember:
Age is something that doesn't matter unless you are a cheese!:lmfao:

Peace to all
Aussie Babe
Barb

[Robski]

Understanding our human behaviour and accepting that there are two sides to us is, unconditional love (peace, harmony, happiness, logical understanding, compassion, etc....) and the other is deviancy (theft, jealousy,murder,sexual abuse etc...). I'm bringing this point up for a utopian way of life must still have laws that govern us even in a Ground Crew community.

It would be interesting to uncover information on the Aboriginal communal law as they are connected with the land.

So the very survival needs to be upheld ( understanding how to live as one with the land and forest) for free thinking to develop amongst us all.

[pai]

Hi guys - I'll check out the forum regularly so I can make it to the next accounced meetup, very keen to meet everyone and hear everyones take on things. Please feel free to email me, PM me if my email addy isn't available.

I am not sure (from my reading on the forums) if anyone has seen this forum of Michael Tsarion's (his research and body of work is mind-blowing and factual consistent, to say the least of his efforts - http://www.redicecreations.com/mtsarforum/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=50fa4224c1aa6bc3d14fb992b4772d76

But I managed to find everyone here from that forum - Very kind and generous people in that forum, and fellow global ground-crews to boot.


I saw mentioned information concerning Australian's 'rights' under martial law, my research indicates and resonates with what has been said, with the added information that Australia (the US, and just about any country in the world that came under colonial rule at some time in the past) can be tipped into 'british-maritime law/rule' due to the broken and deliberately insidious construction of the Constitutions of these countries.

I am of the belief that any future false-terrorism attack (perpetrated by the very 'government' that has sworn to protect us) or global biological threat will be met with such martial law as a method for engaging these crooked laws of the most ancient oligarchies on Earth.

So, our only reason for keeping a TV and watching it, would be to read the impending signs of movement to the above mentioned events unfolding - symbolic literacy as well as the understanding we have of the behind the scenes figures and groups will help give us a head-start in our preparations.

However scary all of this seems, and the need for people like us to group together for the purpose of surviving another attack and wave of destruction is, going to be our finest hour as friends, Australian's and Human beings of planet Earth. These events that are coming NEED to happen.

Not to get too spiritual (i'll do that in the other threads ;)) but these events and times we are in are where we all need to be to learn and grow, and to free the Earth once and for all, from the most vile and evil of entities that have been controlling our race for ten's of thousands of years.

what a mouth-full!

[Aussie Babe]

Just want to wish everyone who is meeting up tomorrow Good Luck! :original:

Hope you all have a great day and get to make some new friends :mfr_lol:

I am disappointed that I can't go :wall: and look forward to all your feedback!

Cheers and peace
Aussie Babe
Barb :thumb_yello:

[ForsakenFalcon]

less then 24hours now =O

Scarey

P.S
Since I'm wearing "Normal" Cloth's I'll be either in a black and organe hooded jumper (apparently its gonna be 30 tomorow) or if it's hot eithen My "Sonic the Hedgehog" T-Shirt or My "Ford Falcon" Shirt =O

[Johnno]

@Aussie Babe
Thank you very much for the warm wishes Barb. :flowers2:
Will make a report as soon as I can after the meeting. Hopefully others will make a similar report.

@ForsakenFalcon
Looking forward to seeing you tomorrow my friend, it will be great. :woot_jump::gathering::groupwave:
Take care and peace to all.
Best regards,
Johnno

[ForsakenFalcon]

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I was there, I didn't see anyone of You's espicaly not in "Australian Ground Crew Shirt"......

We WERE MENT to meet at federation square right?.......


P.S Due to waiting at the square for so long I am now depressed not because of this but because of
all the dead geourgeos females I had to watch walk by =(

[Johnno]

I was there, I didn't see anyone of You's espicaly not in "Australian Ground Crew Shirt"......

We WERE MENT to meet at federation square right?.......
Unfortunately no. :nono:
Please check this link:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=31510&postcount=86
Sorry you went to Federation Square instead. AussieG and myself went to Federation Square just in case, as hardly no one turned up for the meeting, we were worried. We didn't see anyone that recognized me, as I'm about the only one with a picture of myself in my profile.
Not to worry though, we may be planning another meeting for next Sunday. I'll confirm everything tomorrow and post it up here. I'll also give a small report on what happened at the meeting and who turned up.
Take care and sorry we didn't hook up. But at least you got to have a good perve. :naughty:
Best regards,
Johnno

[Peace2all]

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I was there, I didn't see anyone of You's espicaly not in "Australian Ground Crew Shirt"......

We WERE MENT to meet at federation square right?.......


P.S Due to waiting at the square for so long I am now depressed not because of this but because of
all the dead geourgeos females I had to watch walk by =(

Hi ForsakenFalcon, SO SORRY WE MISSED YOU. We also landed at Federation square after rushing past City square (against Hubby's better judgement that we were in the wrong place). Finally managed to met up with some of the crew at City square! It was fantastic to finally catch up and share ideas and resources. Probably talked too much but is rare to talk to aware people so you kinda had the liberty to ask blunt questions and discuss "odd" topics. I would like to especially thank Johnno for taking the time to organise this first meeting and making the effort to provide everyone with copies of numerous DVD's containing lots of relevant information....
Looking forward to the next meetings and catching up with you and others that couldn't make it today. It's pretty late now but wanted to reply to your post. I am sure others with post pics and stuff tomorrow. Cheers, and at least the girls in Melbourne are gorgeous!!! Pep & Art

[AussieG]

johnno I to would publicly like to thank you as well. It was great to meet face to face and share ideas. It is amazing despite the diverse backgrounds we where on the same page, looking forward to the next meeting. PS thanks heaps for all the homework DVDs.

[Ngai Te Rangi]

Hey guys, I'd suggest you PM PABLO from the Sydney Ground Crewe. He did an excellent job ORGANISING and regularly touching base with the Sydney crew prior the first meet up. We expect several more on the next one - Nov.
All the best.

[ForsakenFalcon]

lol....

last time I listen to Rob (my friend who went with me) & told Me it was Fed square....

Due to yesturday event I assume it's a messige that I'm ment to gritt My teeth and walk it out solo if **** hit's the fan.

[Peace2all]

Hi Everyone, Just wanted to say thanks again Johnno for yesterday's meeting and all your efforts to get Melb. team happening!!!

Robert ... the link for reverse speaking and links for free downloads is http://www.evpreversespeaking.com This site can be really radical with extreme viewpoints on reps and their agenda, but a great resource all the same. Call us later to catch up or if you want to discuss.

Below is some information/links to support some of the topics we covered.

Orone Alchemy is a group on AVALON of orgonite enthusiast. "Waterman"
is an asset to this site with some incredible footage of ORBS avoiding storms etc.

A Brief History of Orgone Research
In the 1930's and 1940's, Dr. Wilhelm Reich was able to detect and measure the existence of etheric energy (life energy, chi, etc.), which he called orgone, using a modified geiger counter.

Dr. Reich determined that stacking alternating layers of fiberglass (an organic substance) and steel wool (an inorganic substance) would actually attract and collect orgone/etheric energy of both the life-beneficial positive form (which Reich called "OR" or "POR") and harmful negative etheric energy ("deadly orgone" or "DOR").

Orgone Accumulator Diagram He constructed large boxes called orgone accumulators or "oracs" using this simple layering principle and was able to successfully heal his patients of various ailments, including various forms of cancer, by having them sit inside the box for periods of time.

In 1986, scientists at the University of Marburg, Germany published the results of a blind study1 which showed that 30-minute orgone accumulator treatments caused consistent, positive psycho-physiological effects not seen with the all-fiberglass box used for a control, stating "the results received in our investigation furnish evidence for the assumption that the physical properties of the orgone accumulator and its psychophysiological efficacy on human organisms, postulated by Reich and his associates, factually exist."

Reich's work was continued in earnest in the 1960's by more open-minded Russian scientists such as Dr. Nikolai Kozyrev (1908-1983), who also scientifically proved that such unseen energies indeed exist all around us, and who's Reich-inspired work led to the unfortunate development of practical Soviet military defense applications which utilized principles of so-called "torsion fields" (e.g., etheric energy). Kozyrev's work, which indeed confirms both Reich's research and our empirical experiences with orgonite, was classified until the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.

Following in their footsteps, thousands of Ph.D.-level researchers from both sides of the Iron Curtain spanning multiple generations have continued Kozyrev and Reich's pioneering work, slowly forcing mainstream Western science to finally, "officially recognize" the concept of a universal, unseen energy medium they call "dark matter," "vacuum flux" or "zero-point energy," depending on who you ask. It is commonly understood among orgonite enthusiasts that these are all essentially describing the same thing, which Reich called "orgone".

The Advancements of Orgonite
Operating an orgone accumulator near sources of DOR (such as nuclear power plants, radio towers, etc.) has the potential of harming anyone receiving treatment inside it, so geographical location was and is an important factor for orgone accumulator operation.

When orgonite is within range of a source of DOR/negative energy, it will efficiently and continuously transform it into POR/positive energy as it is being transmitted, which essentially creates positive energy transmitters out of any and all emitters of harmful negative energy, which are totally defenseless against the effect......

Thus orgonite represents a very significant improvement over Reich's early work with orgone accumulators, since Reich's "oracs" attract deadly orgone energy as well as positive and do nothing to transmute it into a purely beneficial form, which orgonite does inherently and continuously.

Within a year of this development, Don began publishing reports of his and his wife's experiences in, among other things, the tactical deployment of small pieces of orgonite near any and all sources of DOR, or life-negative energy, such as cellphone towers, nuclear power plants, underground bases and natural Earth energy gridlines and vorticies. Don included in his reports the specific life-positive, cleansing, healing, confirming effects they would notice following such "gifting" activities, causing Don to strongly encourage his readers to replicate his efforts in their own communities.

Cloudbusting: Then and Now
In addition to his effective health treatments, Dr. Wilhelm ReichReich with Cloudbuster also utilized his advanced knowledge of discrete energies to build and successfully test a weather modification device called a "cloudbuster", which operated on the principle that clouds are held together by orgone energy, and removing this energy causes clouds to rapidly disintegrate. Reich developed a superior weather prediction model which took into account the otherwise-ignored etheric component of our weather and produced more accurate weather predictions than the popular and incomplete "pressure system" model.

Reich's cloudbuster consisted of a set of turret-mounted metal pipes connected by rubber tubing to a body of water for energetic grounding which would dissipate clouds by draining the orgone energy holding them together and, with careful and time-consuming effort, significantly alter overall weather patterns, in some cases intentionally causing the complete reversal of drought conditions in the desert in a matter of months.

... Unlike Reich's cloudbusters, chembusters can be safely left in continuous operation where they will quickly restore and maintain atmospheric energy balance within an area. In drought-stricken regions of the globe, this always occurs in the form of rain sufficient to end the drought conditions. This has been successfully demonstrated in various parts of Africa, California and in many other locations around the world by various dedicated individuals.

The infallibly-beneficial nature of orgonite eliminates the need for special training, safety precautions, or rigorous effort to operate a chembuster, since it simply transmutes any negative energy it attracts from the atmosphere while the rest of the device functions as an etheric vortex generator, actively balancing the energy between sky and ground, eliminating smog/air pollution and negatively-charged artificial cloud formations called "chemtrails", replacing their spreading blanket of poisonous DOR clouds with the deep blue skies and puffy white natural clouds we all remember from childhood.

The Orgonite Gifting Movement
Cellphone Tower It has been the experience of many chembuster enthusiasts that the widespread deployment of digital cellular communications towers across the populated areas of the world in the last several years has created a thick blanket of DOR/negative energy which saturates our homes and communities, promotes drought, negativity, fear, etc., and significantly hinders chembuster operation (among many other detrimental effects).

However, it has been widely experienced that these negative effects can be disabled and chembusters can be made to start working properly again simply by tossing or burying small muffin-sized chunks of orgonite called TowerBusters (TB's) near all the cellphone towers in their area, an increasingly-popular activity which has become known as "gifting", and is conducted literally all over the world now by thousands of selfless and highly-dedicated individuals and Internet-organized groups.

Hope this helps have lots more links/info. Cheers Pep

[Robski]

Johnno, I would like to thank you for organising our very first GC gathering. The night was filled with a plethora of knowledge and credible information that could benefit us all. I kind of feel that we all have a role to humanity to plant the seed amongst the "closed minds" as we all agree that we are superhuman with infinite potential.

I would like to add for those of us wishing to tap into our higher conscious state however, feel a little unsure where to begin. There is an organisation on the following link www.gnosticweb.com/ . They provide a free 8 week course on astral projection (there is no catch). I attended their first class today and it resonated within me quite easily. We're all aware that it's vital for the longevity of our existance that we remain physically and mentally healthy, however, our conscience will assist in propelling both entities if we all did a bit of meditation along the way.

Love and light to us all.

[Johnno]

@Peace2all
I would like to especially thank Johnno for taking the time to organise this first meeting and making the effort to provide everyone with copies of numerous DVD's containing lots of relevant information....
Thank you. :winksmiley02:

Hi Everyone, Just wanted to say thanks again Johnno for yesterday's meeting and all your efforts to get Melb. team happening!!!
Thank you once again. :thumb_yello:
Great write up on Organite. The link you provided has a wealth of information. Thank you for sharing it. :wink2:

@AussieG
johnno I to would publicly like to thank you as well. It was great to meet face to face and share ideas. It is amazing despite the diverse backgrounds we where on the same page, looking forward to the next meeting. PS thanks heaps for all the homework DVDs.
Thank you. :thumb_yello:
Yes, I think the next meeting might be even better.
Your welcome for the homework. :winksmiley02:

@Ngai Te Rangi
Hey guys, I'd suggest you PM PABLO from the Sydney Ground Crewe. He did an excellent job ORGANISING and regularly touching base with the Sydney crew prior the first meet up. We expect several more on the next one - Nov.
All the best.
Actually Pabs PM'ed me right after the meeting. :mfr_lol:
I know he did a tremendous job in organizing and keeping in touch. He is one valuable Avalon member. :thumb_yello:

@ForsakenFalcon
lol....

last time I listen to Rob (my friend who went with me) & told Me it was Fed square....

Due to yesturday event I assume it's a messige that I'm ment to gritt My teeth and walk it out solo if **** hit's the fan.
You definitely won't be walking solo my friend when it comes to crunch time. Your part of this Ground Crew regardless.
I have to admire you in making the effort to come, as I knew you were not overly keen on the idea, even though the location got mucked up.
Please my friend, never think you'll be abandoned. :winksmiley02:

@Robski
Johnno, I would like to thank you for organising our very first GC gathering.
Your welcome. :thumb_yello:

hey provide a free 8 week course on astral projection (there is no catch). I attended their first class today and it resonated within me quite easily. We're all aware that it's vital for the longevity of our existance that we remain physically and mentally healthy, however, our conscience will assist in propelling both entities if we all did a bit of meditation along the way.
I'm very seriously contemplating doing the course myself.

Please take care all and peace be with you.
Best regards,
Johnno

[Johnno]

Melbourne/Victoria Ground Crew Meeting
My apologies for the lateness of my review of the Melbourne/Victoria Ground Crew meeting held on Sunday the 25th of October '08 at the Melbourne City Square. I've had a touch of the flu all last week, and I was very sick most of the day today with a slight fever. All better now though. :D
Ground Crew Attendees
AussieG
Robski
Peace2all and Art (Partner)
GFM and Cherie (Partner
Johnno
Lt Ripley and Frank (Partner) and Don'tPanic could not attend due to a last minute emergency. Hopefully they can make it to the next meeting.

Unfortunately stupid me forgot to take his camera with him, but Peace2all and GFM came with theirs and took a few pictures. Will have to hassle them to post them up.
I have to give my heart felt thanks to all who attended. I wouldn't have gotten my buzz without them. :naughty::insane:
The meeting started off extremely well and everyone had a wealth of information to give. I couldn't believe how much other members knew about so many aspects, there was quite a lot to absorb.
The atmosphere of the meeting was charged and I got my natural high back again. The last time was at the Nexus Conference. :cheerful_h4h:
It was wonderful to see strangers with similar views completely trust each other. And as I already said in my Nexus Conference blog, it was as if we had been friends for years, and the meeting was a reunion.
Many aspects were covered from discussing the possible coming disasters, the occult, UFO's/aliens, items to help ones self and a brief history of everyone's lives and what lead up to their involvement in Projects Camelot and Avalon.
All in all, it was an exhilarating time for me, and I suspect it was the same for the others. And I'm sure the next meeting will be an even bigger buzz. :trumpet:
The next meeting, hopefully, will be next week on Sunday the 2nd of November '08, at an undisclosed location.
The location will be revealed once I've spoken to the people in question. I will post it up ASAP.
I realize that this is short notice, but we felt (at the meeting), that it was extremely important to get things moving. Time may be shorter than we think.
Take care all and peace be with you.
Best regards,
Johnno

[Aussie Babe]

Received this in a News Letter yesterday and felt I had to share it. So much of what she is saying resonated with me as I am experiencing a lot of it, it can be very frustrating! :wall:



Quote:
October brought in some very new connections for some, and although things began to pick up a bit, the temperature was still not right for jumping in. It was hoped that the time would be ripe, as many of our ducks were now in a row, but as with much of everything, with personal choice involved, things can only progress according to where they are.

In many areas on the planet now, it suddenly becomes cold and nature pulls back thinking it is time. Then all of the sudden it is warm once again, and nature wants to bloom! Very confusing indeed. And this is how it is with the energies. It can be difficult to know what will come next, as any normal patterns have seemingly changed.

In this way, at higher levels we are being asked to wait a bit longer, to pull back, to stay out of the mainstream, and to sit tight until the masses are indeed ready for our services and assists. The natural inclination of the masses is to want things to be “fixed,” to want some stability, and at times to want to go back to the familiar and to restore as much as possible. But this cannot be.

So until enough are ready to let go and embrace something very new, to become aware of their brothers and sisters that surround them, and to support each other as a team, another big and substantial shake-up will indeed occur.

Going into the masses now, before the time is right, will result in some fairly unpleasant scenarios. Much of the time we will feel invisible, invalidated, not heard, diminished, dis-respected, and basically as if we do not even exist. Lower vibrating energies cannot “see” higher vibrating energies, similar to angels existing in the non-physical plane, and this is what will indeed occur when we attempt to jump back into old energy. It will be enough to make one want to flee and never return.

So then, we can know that our needs will be met while we “wait.” It can be a good time to enjoy ourselves and do fun things and simply laugh and play, as always.

The re-connecting process has been a long one. Many are having strange dreams and unusual visitations in their sleep. Hearing sounds, feeling a presence, and so forth are symptoms that another dimension is indeed now merging with us.

Coughing spells, intestinal distress, heart palpitations, and insomnia are also signs of preparation for the new as we release more of the older and denser energies within us. One interesting symptom of ascension is the inability to spell things correctly or write an appropriate sentence. It can be common to superimpose letters as well. As one with a history of perfect spelling and grammar, this has been an interesting experience for me, and has grown increasingly worse. I choose to believe that the message is what is truly important and have really let go of the perfection of it all, so I don’t bother with an editor as well. It simply does not matter anymore and is a place I can no longer go.

This ties in as well with that old familiar memory loss when trying to have a conversation. We are moving into states where energy is all there is. Little details do not matter at this stage. It is the feeling and the energy of anything that is all that is left.

How in the world do we survive when our brains no longer function? We just do. There is a higher part of us, or our souls, who navigate through it all. We are simply losing much of our old 3D selves.

By trusting that our process is being divinely guided, and thus, allowing ourselves to leave the old behind and move forward into a very new space, will always place us in alignment with where we need to be.

If we can know that what is occurring on the outside has nothing to do with us, separate from the process of the fall as much as possible, and stay in our personal sanctuaries, then we can rest assured that our connection to something new and more aligned with Source and our true authentic selves will be ensured.

Peace to all
Aussie Babe
Barb :winksmiley02:

[Robski]

Aussie Babe,

Much of what you have placed on this recent thread resonates with decisiveness and a flow of positive energy seems to be the end product. We are moving in a time where our enegy levels are slowly moving out of the ego based behaviours and is embracing a level of unconditional love. This transition I believe, is already happening as we're speaking. Love amongst humanity and everything else that's living will strenghten as we allow for free will and free thinking to flourish. All of my knowing is to be given not by force but by free will to those who wish it.
It is time that humanity is coming together as a single unit rather than what we've seen in our lifetime, an entity of separation and disharmony.

Love and light blessings to all

[dataeast]

Greetings Melbournians/Australians,

Thought I'd drop a "Hi" here... :)

I live in eastern vic, out beyond the Grampians/Geriwerd. Anyone else here in the region?

I'm interested in the "Australian Ark" write up by Bill... Sounds interesting, seems the universe heard my laments. Sounds like we may have two new Australians...
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=63374#post63374

Anyway, I'll keep my eye on this thread, cheers.

[Johnno]

2nd Meeting of the Project Avalon Victorian Ground Crew
To be held on Sunday the 2nd of November 2008 at 1:00pm
Location: You MUST Private Message me to obtain the details.Please seriously think about attending. This will be an important meeting.
Take care and peace be with you.
Johnno

[dataeast]

I'd really like to attend... If I can I'll PM you (Johnno).

Cheers.:original:

[P4BL0]

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[Robski]

I just finished watching David Wilcock's interview with the project camelot crew for the second time. It's amazing what more can be absorbed after rewatching it. Wilcock seems to put it into perspective about doing good more than 51% of the time.

There is the loving and deviate side to us all, but I'd rather spend most of my time doing good and loving instead. If ascension is to take place then do we need to worry about the pole shifts or what negative powers are trying to do? It's a split decision whereby it doesn't hurt to prepare as long as we don't act on the impulse of fear rather the act of free will and happiness. Otherwise preparing ourselves from possible catastrophe's with the act of fear can impose negative acts along the way. So the way in which we act out our actions is also imperative to our well being.

[Peace2all]

[QUOTE=Robski;64080]I just finished watching David Wilcock's interview with the project camelot crew for the second time. It's amazing what more can be absorbed after rewatching it. Wilcock seems to put it into perspective about doing good more than 51% of the time.

Hi Robbo...Same here... we started watching this after midnight and I feel asleep to it.. woke up at 5.20 am (re run) when it was getting into PrincePhilip being interviewed saying he wishes he could be reincarnated back into a killer virus to do us a FAVOUR and wipe out most of the population, What the??? and that they are genetically superior, etc. This ****** me off (can I say that here?).

Agree with the 51% per cent being good, IMO I would aim higher!! Cheers, be good to you.. See you Sunday...Pep & Art

[Peace2all]

Hi All, I just upload some pictures from the Melbourne Meeting that was on last Saturday at Fed. Square. They were posted on my album profile. Cheers Pep

[sirdiablo69]

Gday All,
l would very much like to meet with a many of you as possible, l sincerely hope to make it to next sundays meeting, l have had the good forune of meeting John Dark Matter on several occassions already, as most of you already know he is a person of both good character as well as being very helpful in practical terms without any evidence of any devious/selfish agenda, nice change from so many others lve had dealings elsewhere, People like John are like a breath of fresh air in an otherwise polluted enviroment. l find myself believing the very real likelyhood of meeting other good folk via this forum, as l have meet John, am looking forward to the aquaintence of you all in the not to distant future.
Cheers

[pai]

hi everyone,

sorry I missed this meetup - but I will be able to make it to the next one.

cheers,

Pai

[Johnno]

@sirdiablo69
Gday All,
l would very much like to meet with a many of you as possible, l sincerely hope to make it to next sundays meeting, l have had the good forune of meeting John Dark Matter on several occassions already, as most of you already know he is a person of both good character as well as being very helpful in practical terms without any evidence of any devious/selfish agenda, nice change from so many others lve had dealings elsewhere, People like John are like a breath of fresh air in an otherwise polluted enviroment. l find myself believing the very real likelyhood of meeting other good folk via this forum, as l have meet John, am looking forward to the aquaintence of you all in the not to distant future.
Cheers
Thank you for your kind words, its very much appreciated. :winksmiley02:

@pai
hi everyone,

sorry I missed this meetup - but I will be able to make it to the next one.

cheers,

Pai
Not to worry, we'll catch you next week. Only hassle is, its a bit further away than today's meeting. :winksmiley02:
Take care all.
Best regards,
Johnno

[Johnno]

2nd Meeting of the Project Avalon Victorian Ground Crew

Held on Sunday the 2nd of November 2008 at 1:00pm
Location: Undisclosed
Ground Crew Attendees:
Peace2all and partner Artie
Robski
Johnno

Even though the turn out wasn't great, it was a very fruitful meeting.
Our hosts were terrific and the food and drink was excellent, we thoroughly enjoyed ourselves. :gathering: :drink_nl::cheers::gathering:
I felt such a sense of peace and serenity while there to which I've never felt before. It was as if I were in the safest place on Earth and I could not be harmed.
Many issues were discussed at this meeting, but the main topics were:
* The fear of ignorance in friends and loved ones
* Where we see ourselves in 4 years time
* Concerns and the complexities of forming communities or of individual survival
* The urgency of acting yesterday
* We spoke of self improvement and awareness
This meeting was very special to me and it opened my eyes wider, and made me think that I need to work a little harder on getting the Ground Crew more motivated.
Once again my sincerest thanks to our hosts today for making it such a memorable day for all.
Take care all and I hope to see you at the next meeting. :thumb_yello:
Best regards,
Johnno

[Johnno]

3rd Meeting of the Project Avalon Victorian Ground Crew

To be held on Sunday the 9th of November 2008 at 1:00pm
MEETING CANCELED
Location: Once again, you MUST Private Message me to obtain the details.Please lets get a better attendance this time, its for your sakes, not only ours.
Take care all and peace be with you.
Best regards,
Johnno

[Robski]

Dear Pep and Arch,
Your wealth of knowledge and level of action pertaining to the very survival our species is abundant. I've already actioned some of the necessities that are needed for any type of event. I've got a long way to go, but the shear act of gathering a growing list of items for the security of myself and my loved ones is a necessary step that momentum is created in a constuctive manner.

Thank you so much for you love and bless your hearts.

All who are serious to understand our existance is important to protect then knowledge, followed by application with a logical approach is the key.

[Peace2all]

Dear Pep and Arch,
Your wealth of knowledge and level of action pertaining to the very survival our species is abundant. I've already actioned some of the necessities that are needed for any type of event. I've got a long way to go, but the shear act of gathering a growing list of items for the security of myself and my loved ones is a necessary step that momentum is created in a constuctive manner.

Thank you so much for you love and bless your hearts.

All who are serious to understand our existance is important to protect then knowledge, followed by application with a logical approach is the key.

Thanks Robski and Johnno for your kind words and friendship. Wow, yesterday was great wasn't it. I really valued the freedom to discuss topics and the conversation was so inspiring we didn't notice time fly!! It was a great time for reflection and maybe finding a purpose to all this, will keep you update on the results.
Johnno your changes in one week are amazing, keep up whatever you have been doing and have a great week.
Rob it would be good to try to catch up later in week or see you Sunday? Keep you posted on my new endeavour we discussed last night..

Cheers Pep

Looking forward to our next meeting.

[Robski]

Dear Pep and Arch,
All who are serious to understand our existance is important to protect then knowledge, followed by application with a logical approach is the key.

I thought faster than I wrote. It doesn't help when your on the phone talking and typing at the same time. I'm sorry for my incoherence, but then again "my perfections are my imperfections" Quoted by a friend.

I meant to state that, if we are all serious about protecting our very existance, then the key to such a basic objective is to acquire knowledge but most importantly to apply in a logical manner knowing clearly that life is to be enjoyed in the present moment.


Fear is what we create in our very minds for the sake of avoiding many actions which ultimately suppress our infinite potential.

There is nothing more rewarding then achieving results in the NOW!!!

Peace and Love to all for it knows no barriers.

[Lunatic]

:gathering:Hi All, I have been watching this thread for a while now, and while i have applauded (silently) your efforts to have get togethers and openly discuss the impending events, their ramifications and possible solutions, i have found it very disappointing that no information has been passed on to the Regional and Rural members of this club, that because of their less than desirable financial situation, Ill health or merely the exorbitant cost of fuel, have been unable, not unwillng, to attend. I thought we were all supposed to be in this together. The survival of the species, the thwarting of TPTB, the undermining of globalisation........Maybe I was wrong..........????? Was I ??????


:sad::sad::sad::sad::sad::sad:

[Robski]

:gathering:Hi All, I have been watching this thread for a while now, and while i have applauded (silently) your efforts to have get togethers and openly discuss the impending events, their ramifications and possible solutions, i have found it very disappointing that no information has been passed on to the Regional and Rural members of this club, ............. I thought we were all supposed to be in this together. globalisation........Maybe I was wrong..........????? Was I ??????


Hi Lunatic,
Johnno had outlined the points of discussion in an earlier thread. I guess were still getting a feel for everybodies purpose and so far greater attendance necessary, for those able to attend, to produce a community mind for a more active thread. The thread is still lacking as most threads are in substance. However, it's all work in progress.

Many issues were discussed at this meeting, but the main topics were:
* The fear of ignorance in friends and loved ones
* Where we see ourselves in 4 years time
* Concerns and the complexities of forming communities or of individual survival
* The urgency of acting yesterday
* We spoke of self improvement and awareness

No need to be sad as your input is as important as everyone elses. :original:

[Peace2all]

:gathering:Hi All, I have been watching this thread for a while now, and while i have applauded (silently) your efforts to have get togethers and openly discuss the impending events, their ramifications and possible solutions, i have found it very disappointing that no information has been passed on to the Regional and Rural members of this club, that because of their less than desirable financial situation, Ill health or merely the exorbitant cost of fuel, have been unable, not unwillng, to attend. I thought we were all supposed to be in this together. The survival of the species, the thwarting of TPTB, the undermining of globalisation........Maybe I was wrong..........????? Was I ??????


:sad::sad::sad::sad::sad::sad:

Hi Lunatic & Welcome to the Melbourne Forum. Happy you spoke up. The get togethers have been inspiring and very rewarding. What we found was instant friends, facing similar goals and challenges. Conversation was vibrant at times to say the least, informative and very constructive. We also found Johnno to be a GREAT GUY who is considerate of others needs, a great listener and encourager as well as having a wealth of knowledge and resources which he gladly offers. Not only does he monitor the forums, he also is trying to kick start the Melb. Ground Crew and you know what the logistics of organising people who haven't met can be like!!! Anyway thankfully for us all, he keeps at it.
Robski, is another instant friend that we have know for a long time!!! No holds barred, a good person also seeking truth with a lot of wisdom that he also freely shares. And put on your running shoes he is for real, does what he says, inspiring to see the productiveness that is happening as a result of our meetings so far.
As a result of the above meetings and some of my strengths - I too have been inspired to put together a lot of the data/info/contacts that is PRACTICAL, RELEVANT with Aussie related contacts for the Melb.Ground Crew. Keep you updated on the progress. So please come to the next meeting, if you can. :welcomeani:
Cheers and be good to you. Pep

[Johnno]

My deepest apologies for this post. I just was not me. :sad:
I have discussed this with another member and we are in agreement that I have been influenced psychically, like a physical attack. The post was very much out of character and I am very sorry if I have offended anyone in the process. It won't happen again.
In the mean time, I am contemplating my future here on Avalon.
I will be out of communication once again until I have made my decision. Sorry to everyone.
Take care all and peace be with you.
Best regards,
Johnno

[Johnno]

@ Robski and Peace2all
Thank you both for your support, its very much appreciated. :winksmiley02:
Take care both of you and I'll see you all on Sunday.
Best regards,
Johnno

[AussieG]

Hi Team I think i better up my contribution. :sneaky2:I have just watched 8 hours of Nassin Haramein "crossing the event horizon" After actively perusing this path of awareness and enlightenment Hassim tied it all together. I don't know how reliable or from what background he is from but it resonated with me.

Keep well I will see you on Sunday. I will also bring books and material with me that I am willing to share.

[Johnno]

Hello AussieG,
Your going to have to tell us about this "Nassin Haramein" dude on Sunday. I wouldn't mind seeing what he's got to say.

Keep well I will see you on Sunday. I will also bring books and material with me that I am willing to share.
Definitely see you Sunday. Can't wait to see the info you got. And many thanks for wanting to share it, its definitely appreciated by all. :winksmiley02:
Take care.
Best regards,
Johnno

[sirdiablo69]

Gday everyone,
my apologies for not attending the last meeting, am looking forward to meeting with you all on Sunday. Dark Matter l didnt know that you unexpectadly grew fangs ( re lunatics response ) whats that womans phone number maybe l can give her a call l convince her to reconsider. Q, Is the neighbors cat living dangerously ?lol.
Hopefully l can find the time to organise some material to share on sundays meet, depends as l also need to organise my daughters birthday celebrations immediately prior.
Can we expect others to visit also e.g moses, jesus, krishna, bhudda, perhaps some friendly reptilians, phelidians etc, could be quite a turnout. lol

[Lunatic]

Thankyou Robski For putting some of the topics covered in point form..

I personally believe that putting topics into point form allows those who choose to do so, highlight a topic of concern/interest to them and engage in a reasonable discussion / debate, without all the confusing clutter of general dialogue....

To this end will comment on your first point... "The fear of ignorance in friends and loved ones"....Firstly let me state that i am not a Qualified anything, I am a labror/computer nut and that the following is my personal opinion.
As I was a long tme disbeliever in all things conspiritorial, ie TPTB, NWO, etc etc, my better half (a participating member of Avalon and in particular the Melb/Vic ground crew) and i had many heated discussions on the existance or not of such bodies...I have come to know myself considerably, particularly over the last 12 months or so.. And under that intense scruitany have discovered that i am shall we say "less than Perfect"...My attitudes towads the threats mentioned throughout this thread were born of fear. The fear of not knowing, of the big picture being so big , and it is huge. I believe that most resistance to these topics is bought on by the challenge to what we, or should i say most of us, has believed for a very long time, and that the sheer size and complexity of these groups and their actions is simply too much for the average person to grapple with...Most people i know know that something isn't right on planet earth. But if i was to tell them what i (with profound insistance from my seriously intense wife)have come to believe, i would simply scare the begeesus out of them and elisit a response akin to what witches sis in the dim dark past. All out of fear...

Fear not...now that i have braved the first step you will hear from me again

be well

[AussieG]

Lunatic, I share your thoughts. The information overload in boggling. Take information multiply it with dis-information add some rumors and some dreams and square it all with fear, and we have just started.
Do we run, do we hide, do we make a stand and fight, do we make a change by collective pray or individual care. How am I going so far.

For me Bob Dean said so clear "Love your family and do not fear for there is always another time another life another year" So now I'm just glad to be alive and for the opportunity to simply experience.

From the song "The Rose" "Its the sole afraid of dying that never learns to live":trumpet:

[Robski]

................................

For me Bob Dean said so clear "Love your family and do not fear for there is always another time another life another year" So now I'm just glad to be alive and for the opportunity to simply experience.

From the song "The Rose" "Its the sole afraid of dying that never learns to live":trumpet:

Aussie G,
Two great quotes. I agree with the points placed in discussion. What you think about is what you'll bring about. The choice is easy, fear over love or love over fear. Your choice in the way you think will pave the experience and develop the wisdom for either side of the fence.
I've stated in various ways in previous threads, that a community mind is important as opposed to a community group. This allows all individuals to express and act upon their free will. The benefits of the avalon forum and potentially for people to meet up is to share the wealth of knowledge and experiences.

What's most important to me, is to live my life with unconditional love for all humanity as I see reflections of myself in all that's living. :roll1:

[AussieG]

Hear Hear:original::original:

[AussieG]

Hi all, I have just spoken to Johnno. He is not to well at the moment and needs some time to recoup. I have offered to have the meeting at my place,, sooo If you are still interested PM me and we will make it happen.

[AussieG]

What's most important to me, is to live my life with unconditional love for all humanity as I see reflections of myself in all that's living
As a veritable Gardner look at his/her garden and claims what a wonderful collection of natures gift Lettuce, Carrots, Parsley, Beans Etc., I now look and Humanity and say "what a wonderful collection of natures gifts."

[Tuza]

Yes, Johnno is a real good soul, and I hope he gets better but lets face it when doing a mod job - well I couldn't do it - I would get really mad and that would be it - and I would probably get sick too. I have put up some protection prayers that work well for me on a thread on the forum - they are from different religions so to speak. Take care Johnno.

[Aussie Babe]

AussieG After reading your post on gardening this thought hit me, then low and behold after watching "Gardening Australia" today they had this story! It's that dreaded fruit fly :wall:

I was going to post it then decided it was too long so will just put the link.

http://www.abc.net.au/gardening/stories/s2413283.htm

I suggest you all give it a read it sort of makes growing our own food more of a challenge than it is at the moment re water. I had no idea that they got into Tomato's and capsicum.:shocked: You live and learn every day eh! :original:


Peace
Barb

[AussieG]

We all have or are becoming aware of the ptb agenda.
If you had a chance to set your own agenda what our future look like?:original:

[Hoss the SURVIVER]

HI ALL

We all have or are becoming aware of the ptb agenda.
If you had a chance to set your own agenda what our future look like?

Without getting to personal, I've been sitting here just getting a background feel for the Camelot/Avalon Organization and i do not like the vibes that are there?
It may be just lack of knowledge with most of you? Which i feel is the case at some very important levels. My suggestion would be ! ; become better acquainted with the medium that you are dealing with at least, to protect yourselves from the abusers that are in the BACKGROUND. There there i can feel them.
NOT ALL SAINTS are SAINTS
NOR ARE !!!
All LIGHT-WORKERS LIGHT-WORKERS

If you had a chance to set your own agenda what our future look like? AssieG
I follow my own agenda WHY? Because I am a free AGENT is why!


We all have or are becoming aware of the ptb agenda. Please define ?

If I have learned ONE THING over the years it is to:
Trust in my own intuition and the RISEN Masters or White-Brotherhood whichever you prefer

One other thing i have learned is that you cannot bring others to your level, they can only work at their own until they are ready to grow. All we can do is support not rule or dominate just support!

Learn how to deal with the DARKNESS there by becoming educated as to how MAGIC works or spirit whatever you wish to call it, then apply it to cleanse n protect yourselves

I know where you are coming from Been there! Done that years ago, nor do i have much interest in becoming involved in some-one-else' ego war ???

As i stated a bit earlier ! I'm not comfortable with the BACKGROUND VIBES, they need to be raised above the ASTRAL levels and soon?

Right I'll go back to watching n waiting
Hoss
E G M

:diespam::diespam::diespam:

[sirdiablo69]

Gday Hoss,
its kinda unusual to read about items like the astral plane/ brotherhood of light etc terms that lve not heard nor read about for many yrs its almost like a trip down memory lane to read your posting Hoss. l could safely asume Hoss that you may also be mildly amused by some of the contempory terminolgy used to decribe things eg remote viewer, empath, and so forth, in my day they would have labels such as clairvoyant/ psychic etc its weird how some people have the need to repackage the old and simply change the label and call it something new.

[Aussie Babe]

Hi Guys!
Ummm! does anybody know what is going on?

Where does this leave the Ground Crew? Anybody!


Peace
Barb

[Hoss the SURVIVER]

HI ALL

It is not actually the Ground crew that is the problem? It runs way deeper than that.

Being mildly amused is normal for me, However, i can use any terminology you like fluently, I'm old n CYNICAL these days .

Never accept at face value what you are told, verify it where possible especially when dealing with META=PHYSICS . This comes from painful experience

Hoss
E G M :thumb_:thumb_yello: chin chin

[AussieG]

The question posted earlier was not to galvanize anyone to the collective, merely to light the positive wick amongst the flood of negativity. To focus on what could be, brainstorming positive outcomes.:thumb_yello:

[Lunatic]

HI ALL

Never accept at face value what you are told, verify it where possible especially when dealing with META=PHYSICS . This comes from painful experience

Hoss
E G M :thumb_:thumb_yello: chin chin



And one of the best ways to verify is to simply listen....Eventually their subconcious will spill the beans on them....If they keep trying to convince you that a certain thing is true it obviously isnt....their subconcious is trying to mask its secrets with lies.....
So chill out, sit back, lsiten and learn.....It is realy that easy....

The Lunatics are..ooops...HAVE taken over the parliment..........LOL

Lunatic Out

[Lunatic]

The question posted earlier was not to galvanize anyone to the collective, merely to light the positive wick amongst the flood of negativity. To focus on what could be, brainstorming positive outcomes.:thumb_yello:



Too TRUE AussieG
At this important time it is essential to focus on the positives and use that positivity to do good works...

Many may be fearful of the apparent weakening of this thread and groundcrew because of the seeming loss of its rudder (JONNO).

I used the nautical term to engage in a little analogy.

True enough, a ship without a rudder is a ship lost at sea. I do not think of this ground crew as a ship, because of its relative newnewss and size i look more upon us as a dingy. Everyone knows that a dingy does not have a rudder but is steered by the oars, we are the oars, all seated side by side, each responsibe for one side or other of that dingy, with a bit of time and practise we will learn to work together and steer this small but not insignificant vessel safely through the storm and around any hazards....
Arriving safely into port.....

Each one of us is responsible for our own part in this story.. If we stop now the PTB, NWO whatever,,, WINS,,, .......On the otherhand if we all continue to contrbute what we can, (some with informaition or links to it, others with practical advice and knowledge), we can, at the very least, survive their ********....

Lunatic out

[Robski]

Each one of us is responsible for our own part in this story.. If we stop now the PTB, NWO whatever,,, WINS,,, .......On the otherhand if we all continue to contrbute what we can, (some with informaition or links to it, others with practical advice and knowledge), we can, at the very least, survive their ********....
Lunatic out

Lunatic, I agree that the continuity of this thread is imperative for reasons mentioned. It's because of this thread that has led me to meet with like minds. As a result I've had some laughs and increased my level of knowledge, some of which has been placed into practise.

To sure up some momentum for future meetings, I'm having a FREE HUG day on Sunday b/w 12-2pm in the heart of Bourke St, Mall, Melbourne. This is quite typical of me as I believe that life is too short if you can't have fun in the midst of monotony. So come along if you can and catch up for a chat and a hug! :original:

[mysticphoebos]

Hi fellow Victorians, we are being covered by chemtrails at night here in SA ready to drift your way.

[Aussie Babe]

Hi fellow Victorians, we are being covered by chemtrails at night here in SA ready to drift your way.

thanks for the heads up, will be watching :thumb_yello:

[AussieG]

Lunatic: The dingy in my circles is often referred to the one from Titanic, no matter what station in life you are from it is the singleness of purpose that when applied collectively can achieve a desired goal.

Robski : Great idea Hug day. Unfortunately I will be hugging elsewhere on this Sunday (family function). I will look forward to the next. Might I also suggest arranging a regular meeting, so the crew can stabilize.

Mysticphobos and Aussie Babe: I was standing outside two nights ago and felt what appeared to be light rain falling on my face only there was no rain, the ground was no wet, nor was there any moisture on the windscreen, very strange.

[sirdiablo69]

Gday All,
just thought l would give another lecture, so here l go.
lt is a major disapiontment to me to discover just how many of you seemingly good natured folk seem to live with your head in the clouds in spite of us self titled beings calling ourselves the ground crew, such an enormous contradiction in terms.
lt was my obvious misunderstanding that this forum was to enable some of us good folk to deal with the practical necessaties we could be all facing in the not too distant future, if even only 1 or 2 of the profetic events occur that have been claimed to occur in the not so distant future.
To my way of thinking, preaching love/compassion, sharing idealist theories on some futuristic goldern old, is wonderful and it all has its place in the scheme of things, there is just one major fault as l see it, lf your house is in need of repair a good hammer is of far greater value at that time than any half baked idea of some theory on how love is the answer not fear. l swear as God is my witness if anyone and l do mean anyone tries to sell me that tripe about love when l really need a good hammer, all l can say we will not even survive to see any fabled goldern old, cause love dont fill an empty stomach, love dont hammer nails in wood, love dont plant the vegetable garden etc etc etc

[Hoss the SURVIVER]

HI ALL

Spot on sirdiablo69, that's what I've found to. If we are LUCKY ""which i DOUBT"", the world will end in a massive upheaval. But more likely things will get harder n harder! until people spit the dummy, In time of real disaster people tend to rebuild together.

Basically I'm a loner and from what i see of society today think I'll stay that way. What with all the fuel cost n transport problems we have today, moving around is prett restricted being a disability pensioner like I am or unemployed, plus those on a basic wage are not far behind either. I think small groups locally will be the go but they will take time to evolve, as trust must develop.

Sharing info with each other is good no matter where it comes from,forums are good for that.

Hoss
E G M :smoke::thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thu mb_yello:

[AussieG]

So whats the bottom line here? Is it "Whats in it for me" or "How can I help"

[Global Nomad]

Hi Melbourne (Vic) guys.
I'm from the NSW / Sydney gang.
Just thought I'd say g'day, and ask about John. (Johnno)
:mfr_omg:
I met him at the Nexus conference in early October, and got along well.
Just wondered what happened to him ...
He seemed so keen on the whole Camelot thing, and when we both met and talked with Bill Ryan, we was so into the whole thing ...
Is he OK ?
He's not responding to emails either...
Can anyone fill me in !

Cheers,
And -peace- to all Vic men and women from me.
:welcomeani:

[Aussie Babe]

To a large degree I am with sirdiablo. I thought this was to be the Ground Crew for those people who were just starting out on the survival road and looking for a Safe Place to go to, especially those of you who live in Metro Melbourne! :mfr_omg: IMO just about anywhere would be safer than there. It is not a question of who's with us and who's against us. but a question of who is prepared physically and mentally for what they are going to throw at us.
Nobody is more spiritual than I am, and have been for many, many years and care very much about what happens to my fellow man, but I am not stupid either and have worked long and hard to get the gear together that I know is going to keep me alive when push comes to shove.:lightsabre: Of course I have love and compassion for my fellow man but as the old saying goes "God only helps those that help themselves" so having said that why the hell should I share with someone who has spent their days in love and light and done nothing else to help them survive.ie store food,find a safe place,store water etc etc:mad3: I thought the aim of this thread was to share info,help each other with advice and for the newbies give a helping hand where needed. :thumb_yello:
Ok I have finished blowing my trumpet:trumpet: so will shut up now:zip:and get off the soap box

Peace to you all
Barb :original:

[sirdiablo69]

Gday All,
thanks for da support Hoss and Aussie Babe, tis ok Aussie G, NOTHING WRONG WITH LOVE, but as the others fully realize its prone to limitations, great place to come from, great driving force, yet like war it does motivate some real problems in its unpure form, which unfortunately happens to be most common.

[sirdiablo69]

Gday Again,
just wanted to express some of my personal desires for some future projects, figured this was as good a place as any, considering that they are survival based. So here they are not in any particular order, locally based small time operations includes the following,

Goat farming, both for dairy products (Alpine goats) meat production (Nubian Goats) then also cashmere wool ( sorry l forgot the breeds name Goats ), keeping in mind of course the Does need to be maintained seperately Bucks of the other breeds lest you end up with cross breeds that drop production.

Bee Keeping, also locally based, Honey has proven antibiotic qualities and surgical Honey is an extremely effective balm to dress wounds. Honey is a great product both internally as well as externally.

Organic Gardening incorporating various methodologies eg permaculture, allowing the land to lie in fallow as was the method used in old europe to enable the soil to assist its recovery , Alongside the use of herbal pesticides, eg garlic/capsican spray.

The afformentioned are just the tip of the iceberg so to speak, there are many other useful things such as the list of home made cleaning products posted by Hoss in an earlier posting, one could include home brewing beer/ wine making/ spirits , for personal use or trade, then add to that things like leather working,(my apologies to all those vegetarians/vegans etc) but we are talking here about survival, and unfortunately l have to tell you that vegetarian branch of hominides didnt survive previous apocalyptic transitions, and l got to say in all honesty leather is a very useful long lasting by product as an adjunct to farming/hunting.

[sirdiablo69]

Gday all,
now that we have our goats milk for our coffee (hell thats right l didnt plant any coffee trees, lm doomed) with our honey sweetener as well as our honey wound dressing the wounds we we got fighting of the feral dogs that wanted goat for dinner, and we sit down for a traditional Ozzy roast dinner with our newly created organic vegetables roast leg of goat (SORRY MR LAMB), We CAN THANK OUR LUCKY STARS or whomever we we prefer to thank for all the dilligent hard work and preperation that made it posssible.

[sirdiablo69]

Now that have our safe place with all our animals and provisions will we manage to survive with our loved ones intact, maybe yes maybe no. You se among other things we need to consider eg marauding bands of desperate persons just as happy to kill us if it means they can live a little longer.
There is the concern about changes in the weather and lm not talking about global warming either, that facade designed to tax us all not for the OXYGEN we breath in but the carbon doixide we breath out ( CARBON TAX ) .
WHAT l'm far more concerned about is THE NEXT F****** ICE AGE, and it could in reality be just around the corner, recent studies of peatmoss samples conducted by german scientists claim that an ICE AGE could occur in less than 1 or 2 yrs not the 20-50 yrs that is usually claimed, rathe like the movie The Day AFter Tommorow, l would reccomend you all watch it not because it any good but it does show just how extreme and suddenlly effected we could be in reality.
POLE SHIFTS another potential major hazard that some very inteeligent people claim is an upcoming reality, could be some truth in that one too a recent examination has shown a 200 klm shift in both the magnetic nth pole as well as the south and thats all occured quite recently, the real concern is if it occurs both suddenly as well in any major distance, then we end up with mega tsumnamis on all coastal regions gails force wind across most all regions etc etc,
So if any of us are trully considering any real long term survival for both ouselves and loved ones some alternative building structures that can withstand these enourmous events eg 300kmh winds etc, as well as being sufficientlly far away from coastal regions a good 2 hrs drive minimum l would suggest, should also be among your serious considerations.

[sirdiablo69]

Hi Melbourne (Vic) guys.
I'm from the NSW / Sydney gang.
Just thought I'd say g'day, and ask about John. (Johnno)
:mfr_omg:
I met him at the Nexus conference in early October, and got along well.
Just wondered what happened to him ...
He seemed so keen on the whole Camelot thing, and when we both met and talked with Bill Ryan, we was so into the whole thing ...
Is he OK ?
He's not responding to emails either...
Can anyone fill me in !

Cheers,
And -peace- to all Vic men and women from me.
:welcomeani:

Gday RE JOHNNO
Unfortunately for us all johnno has stated that he is unable to continue his role here as well as probably elsewhere due to health issues, he has expressed his regret and has sent his sincerest aplogies to all concerned for any inconvieniance that this has produced yet as previously stated he has some more immediate pressing issues ( personal health ) that is need of his time and devotion otherwise he we be of no use to either himself nor others if he id not given the time etc to assist with his recovery.

TO JOHNNO enjoy your sick leave hope you realize that like the job your doing its without pay

[sirdiablo69]

So whats the bottom line here? Is it "Whats in it for me" or "How can I help"

Aussie G Aussie G Aussie G,
You dont get it do you? the people here are not against love/good will to others/ offering their personal assitance to others, because they are like yourself Aussie G all good people at heart. But AND THIS IS their real concern and its due to the effects of personal life experience, that it sometimes makes no difference at all how you help some people even lots of them will keep coming back for more of the same.
I believe what is of real concern for some members is that ok we want to help but we do not want to suffer needlessly from the folly of fools whom havent or preffered not to heed the warning signs, and take approrite measures eg supplies/extra items/ alternative locations/ ans so on and on.
ll will ask you a question Aussie G if you earn $200 per week and your brother earns $200 per week , and while you use your money to buy goods and chateles but your brother buys drugs alcohol and suppliments his income with some theiving, do you feels happy to give all you have to feed and pay the debts of your brother, maybe even resutling in your children going without.

[sirdiablo69]

Aussie BABE,
have you got a trumpet and a soap box, thats great lve got a trumpet also but lm short on soap boxes, l can actually get a soap box unfortunatley in contempory cardboard variety, not like those earlier wooden varieties. l did spend a brief period attempting to master the trumpet unfortunatelly l got extremely concerned about the ill efffects the niose was having on my more immediate neighboors so now it sits in my room collecting dust.

[Hoss the SURVIVER]

HI ALL

Sitting here in Central Vic, I see many people who live in their own little realities caring nothing aboutanything but themselves and theire own little words. And are totaly reliant upon the system to supply them.
It is scary how many today are not adaptable or self-reliant, upon themselves. If we cannot survive life as it is today what makes you think you can tomorrow.
By becoming educated to how things work and why people do what people do? Do we learn.
I know most of the Survival info on the net is American butwe can adapt that to our conditions.

as for the trumpet n Soap-box i lost them years ago n started playing with other toys.

Hoss
E G M

[omshanti]

hello melbourne folk!
this is my first post on this (rather long) "victorian" thread
i am relocating to the castlemaine/daylesford reigon. anyone live out this way?
are there any plans for the melb. ground crew to meet faccia di faccia somewhere, sometime soon (like this year or early 2009)

safe journeying.....
yours in the mystery,
om shanti

[sirdiablo69]

HI ALL

Sitting here in Central Vic, I see many people who live in their own little realities caring nothing aboutanything but themselves and theire own little words. And are totaly reliant upon the system to supply them.
It is scary how many today are not adaptable or self-reliant, upon themselves. If we cannot survive life as it is today what makes you think you can tomorrow.
By becoming educated to how things work and why people do what people do? Do we learn.
I know most of the Survival info on the net is American butwe can adapt that to our conditions.

as for the trumpet n Soap-box i lost them years ago n started playing with other toys.



Hoss
E G M

YES HOSS I HEAR YOU,
so l must ask do your new toys require AA batteries, and if so are you familiar with the contruction of the bagdad battery, it may be useful to familiarise yourself with it in case the regular AA cease to be available lol.
seriously though whats become known as the bagdad battery was in fact one of a series of ancient atifacts that produced electricty around the time of ancient egypt, why you might ask did the ancient egyptians want electricty you say perhaps they too traded in their trumpet and soap box also

[sirdiablo69]

Gday HOSS,
l'm curious to know if canine overlord pictured with you is a boy or a girl, it rather resembles something of well fed Jack Russell, l figure the rabbits in your neck of the woods have made a wonderful supplement to its diet, not to mention their great reputation (Jack Russells) for being a formidable opponant when dealing with stray snakes. ( no pun intended )
l offer your canine associate an apology, it would appear upon a later examination it may not in fact be a well fed jack russell but rather l suspect you have kiddnaped one of her majesty's royal corgies, where you compelled to discover firsthand if they really are cattle dog, l wonder

[sirdiablo69]

IN the interests of fair play,
l would like to take the opportunity to mention that having had the pleasure of talking personaly with Aussie G, even though he chooses to emphazise the need for love as opposed to fear, as well the need of the group as oppossed to whats in it for me motivations, Aussie G is none the less a practical person seeking as are many of us to prepare eg reserves/food / alternate locations, as well as pratical building applications likely to withstand 300 klm hr winds etc, strangely though he doesnt choose to make his research in this area/s as his preffered postings

[Hoss the SURVIVER]

HI ALL


Gday HOSS,
l'm curious to know if canine overlord pictured with you is a boy or a girl, it rather resembles something of well fed Jack Russell, l figure the rabbits in your neck of the woods have made a wonderful supplement to its diet

Sookie well, we know Her mum was a long-haired chihuahua, with papilion in there/ after that only GOD knows . Tis either Jack Russel or corgi as well

Along with Bud Bud he is a Cavalier terrier type cross their favorite food is barbied COOKED CHOOK


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a199 /Hossd/Picture2-3.jpg

I'm in a small place called Talbot about thirty miles from Castlemain


My toys are of the edged variety, n anything else i can make
Hoss
E G M