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Phtha

10-10-2009, 12:23 AM

This was just posted by a user at Alex Jones pp forum. I'll paste it here as I think it is great information.. the article mirrored many of my thoughts about the reptilian thing.

Karen or another mod sorry if this breaks the rule about pasting text, feel free to delete, I just thought it relevant and important to ponder upon. :original:

Article:

Hello, everyone. My name's Joel. This is the first time I've posted a new topic, so go easy on me. Just to let you know some of my background, I was basically born into the Air Force. Both my parents were Air Force. My mother got out when she got pregnant but my dad stayed in until I was 9 and retained his officer habits until I joined up myself at 17. I only did one hitch but I feel more like I was in for 21 years instead of 4. I did actually make the rank of Sergeant (E-4) before I got out. The reason I got out (and I occasionally kick myself in the ass for it -- I'd be retired now!) is because I couldn't stand the federal government bureaucracy and stupidity at my last assignment, the NSA. I was a korean linguist. I got almost 2 years of korean, korean, korean, crypto school and upgrade training. I got to actually be a korean linguist for a year. Then they sent me to NSA and cross-trained me in traffic analysis. A little over a year of that and I thought: "No more! This is bullsh*t!!!" and got out. Okay, so the point of all this is that once they trained me to take in huge quantities of seemingly random bits of disconnected information and make from these bits a cohesive, comprehensible picture, well, once I learned this I never lost the habit. I still analyze everything to death. Frequently, this is a quality that paralyzes me into inaction. Gotta analyze. But sometimes I hit on something that really fits the big picture. Here goes:

So, I was sitting at my computer this morning listening to Alex Jones interview David Icke on Youtube (TheAlexJonesChannel) and although neither of them discussed reptilians, several of the Youtube comments were about the reptilians. As I read these it struck me exactly what the reptilians are: A counter-intelligence operation. It also struck me that several posters were also bringing up that clip of Alex (from way back) saying that David Icke was full of sh*t. Now, I'd imagine all here are well aware that Alex and David have patched up their differences and that Alex has said that he agrees with about 98% of what David Icke is saying, but my second realization was that Alex was one of the first victims and key targets of this counterintelligence operation. And then the whole picture just popped into my head. Let's give this counter-intel op a name. Call it Project Lizard.

One quick preface: I think we all have a story of how we awakened to all this crazy **** that's going on. My first enlightenment into the concept that something VERY wrong has been going on was spiritual. Being analytical about everything is how I finally clued in to the details. David Icke had a spiritual awakening also and then he got analytical about it, so I think I have a good idea of where he's coming from. Now, when I listen to Alex Jones, I get the feeling his awakening was more analytical first and spiritual later on (just a feeling). The point here is that the awakening details one learns spiritually are a little different than the awakening details one learns analytically. They can even seem to contradict. Well, as Ayn Rand'll tell ya, there are no contradictions. If you find a contradiction you have to go back and re-check your premises.

Project Lizard worked like this. David Icke had a spiritual awakening. Not long thereafter, he started talking about it. People immediately started calling him a "nutter". Then David Icke started analyzing the details of the NWO, he started talking about that too. But instead of going analytical in the direction of someone like Alex Jones, who focuses more on legalities, recent world history and current events, David started analyzing ancient mythology, prophecy, symbolism, secret societies and how they all tie together. This is where the NWO scum saw their opening for Project Lizard.

You see, one of the NWO's biggest weapons is their use of symbolism. They use it to communicate with each other, hiding in plain sight. They use it to mark their property. They use it so that they can take advantage of the psychological impact, often subconscious, that symbolism has on people, especially people whose belief systems utilize symbolism as well.

For example: The NWO makes their plans specifically to mirror certain prophecies (like apocalyptic prophecies) in order to raise the overall level of fear in those whose belief systems embrace these prophecies. They also mirror prophecies in order to convert people over to belief systems that embrace these prophecies and thus raise their fear level too. Apocalyptic prophecies are scary. How can a mere man stand against demons? How can anyone hope to save their family if it's the "end times"? How can I change anything if this is all preordained by God?

What overall effect does this have? Well, if people think the end is coming, they buy guns and ammo. They buy lots of food. They stock up on medicine. And the NWO has all this in a database somewhere so they can identify the gun owners, food hoarders etc. The NWO increases fear through many means, of which apocalyptic prophecy mirroring is only one. Basically, they are trying to get us to kill each other.

Back to David Icke and Project Lizard. The NWO people saw David Icke's belief in the power of symbolism and mythology. They saw David noticing the repeated snake and reptile symbolism of the ages and decided to play him. They started sending credible seeming counter-intel operatives to David with stories of the reptilians or "shifters". Knowing how skilled these NWO scuzbags are in psychological manipulation, it is possible that the counter-intel operatives were as credible to David as they were specifically because they believed what they were telling him. Post-hypnotic suggestion, drugs, threats to life and limb, threats to family etc., etc. are ALL very persuasive in getting someone to "realize" that 2+2=5.

Basically, David was getting too close to the truth with his research into symbolism so they sent in people with misinformation that seemed to match the theme of what he was discovering. Next thing you know, David is telling people about the reptilians. From the few David Icke films I've seen, I only recall him saying that he is reporting what he has been told by others, but even so, the net result is that people believe that David Icke believes that we are being ruled by an alien race of cold-blooded monsters.

Creating this perception of David Icke and the reptilians is useful to the NWO in several ways:

It is such an unbelievable notion that if you aren't listening carefully and critically, it would lead you doubt David's credibility in other areas of the NWO scheme, the very ones about which he is absolutely correct.
It is this lack of associated incredibility that, I believe, led Alex Jones to dissociate himself from the ideas of David Icke way back when. The result: A rift between two anti-NWO leaders (a rift which has since, thank goodness, been bridged) who should have been working together all along and joining their perceptions as they do today. It is a perfect example of divide and conquer and, despite David and Alex working beautifully together now, you still see this perception of a division between the two of them on the message boards. They weren't just trying to divide Alex and David, they were trying to divide their respective audiences into opposed camps. They have actually succeeded with the latter.
The concept of humanity being ruled by cold-blooded alien monsters is scary on the same level as apocalyptic prophecy, in that folks who believe in these things are often horrified into a state of hopelessness and inaction, into a state of fear induced brain death (which is exactly the goal of the NWO). "How can you fight demons?" becomes "How can you fight alien lizard beings with superior technology and control of all cash on the planet?"

The fact of the matter is that you can't fight demons or alien lizard beings. And in that fact is our salvation from these perceived horrors. IF the NWO is SOOOO superior that they can call on actual demons and/or super-teched alien lizard beings, then they wouldn't have ever had to pull the big banking frauds, stage the mega-death inducing wars of the 20th and, now, 21st century and hypnotize us all with mainstream media pap. They could have just called on their legions of demons and lizards and taken over immediately. IF they could have won with the Nazi/Fascist "take it all by force" method, they would have. But since there really aren't any demons (except maybe those in our own souls) or superior lizard beings (except maybe the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles), they had to take the incremental Fabian socialist route. The proof that all this apocalyptic prophecy stuff and alien lizard stuff is just a bunch of counter-intel **** is in the methods that were actually adopted by the NWO. They will do anything to induce fear. Project Lizard (i.e. send hypnotized people to lie to David Icke) fits this motif perfectly.

Phtha

10-10-2009, 12:27 AM

And on a side not this article also correlates well with what the hidden_hand said about icke some time ago, that many of you here have read.
http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

14 Chakras

10-10-2009, 02:13 AM

The logic I see here is: there couldn't be such advanced bad guys or they would already have taken over the world etc.

I've seen this argument used elsewhere.

One of the first things I intuitively realized when I saw that 9/11 was an inside job and that the entire media and establishment was covering it up, is that, if there are bad guys this big, then there HAS TO BE GOOD GUYS.

Go visit a nice waterfall, enjoy the company of some loved ones, smell the flowers.

Notice, there is beauty in our world, there is life in our world.

Yet it is pretty tough to deny that there are serious powers of darkness running the establishment right now.

This is an ancient truth. Biblical line: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

The reality is that there are super big bad guys. It's pretty tough to argue against that point when you see a bit of what's happening in our world.

So why haven't they got full control yet?

Well first, they've got more control than you might think.

We are not supposed to be living short lives, constantly going to war, dying of dumb diseases, wasting our lives away with adictions, being drawn and here and there with negative emotions etc. as much of humanity has been doing...

Life is supposed to be a lot more than this.

They already to control our world to a large degree... but their day is up their time is done.

That's not because the people are so much stronger than them. That's because on the other side of the coin, you have the good guys. The hierarchy of God, the hierarchy of light, who sit patiently back, working 24/7 in the hidden realms to minimize the damage from the bad guys, give the people the free will experience they desire, and slowly but surely lead the people to the freedom that will set them free. These are the masters in the spiritual realm, the hosts of Angels, led by Archangel Michael and a massive team of light beings in higher realms.

We the people have continued to feed the darkness, and would have long ago destroyed ourselves by our own karmic misuse, if it was not for the forces of light continuing to take much of our karma unto themselves and transmuting it and mercy's flame being upon the people.

All the while however, we've been learning, experiencing, until finally we are ready to leave the powerlessness behind, and retake our own power. Remember who we are. Remember we are here to bring abundance to this planet. Remember we are co-creators, not victims.

And it's time for the mean greenies, the demons and the like to go face up to their misuse of energy and decide whether or not they are ready to do the work to pay back the karma or cease to exist.

Humble Janitor

10-10-2009, 02:23 AM

What's the point of trying to fight something that doesn't exist?

The people running the world are scary enough and since they're only human, they will fall before long.

It's possible that Icke got tricked but it's not something that we should discount altogether. Rather, we should stop being afraid of such mythical beings because in our minds and our consciousness, we have already defeated them (where are they?).

tone3jaguar

10-10-2009, 02:54 AM

It goes against the rules of how DNA works in this reality for a creature to shift back and forth between a reptilian and a human. That right there is the road block that makes it B.S. Now they may be working with actual extradimensional creatures that choose to appear as reptilians in the astral world. However, that is not even close to the same thing. I think that David actually believes the information he gives about the reptilians. One mans belief does not make it another mans reality.

TempestGarden

10-10-2009, 02:56 AM

What's the point of trying to fight something that doesn't exist?

Do you have proof that they don't exist, because if you do, I would sure love to see it.

Noone has physical proof that they do exist of course, but then again, noone has proven they don't either.

Then again, I am referring to Reptilian beings and not specifically the shape-shifting "elite" that David Icke is talking about.

tone3jaguar

10-10-2009, 02:57 AM

David Icke's reptilians are the equivalent of the super devil.

YouTube - Family Guy - SuperDevil

TempestGarden

10-10-2009, 03:10 AM

It goes against the rules of how DNA works in this reality for a creature to shift back and forth between a reptilian and a human. That right there is the road block that makes it B.S.

It's entirely possible that the human race doesn't understand (in this reality) exactly how our DNA truly works. I am of the opinion that there are A LOT of things about this reality in which we live that science hasn't even begun to understand. I'm just saying that it's worth noting that we most likely still have a lot to learn in the scientific realm.

Angel in Disguise

10-10-2009, 03:42 AM

I beg to differ... I think I may have seen one... Not sure what it was but it looked EXACTLY like the thing in the movie Predator. And no I'm not any crazier than any of you :lmao:... Oh and that is in regards to them not existing... I may have thought I was crazy but my friend sitting next to me saw the exact same thing... How does that work???

orthodoxymoron

10-10-2009, 03:53 AM

Probably most things are a mixture of fact and fiction. I have had personal experience with invisible intelligent forces which could manipulate physical objects with considerable force. I have seen countless videos and photos of unconventional antigravity craft. I have talked with very credible people who have seen UFO's. This stuff is real. However...I'm not convinced that the Queen Mother is a shape-shifting reptilian. I think Icke is close to the truth...but I don't think he has it all figured out...and he probably has been led astray on various topics...as we all have. There seems to be a huge amount of information regarding reptilian beings...including biblical texts...but I sure don't know the true nature of the phenomenon. I'm still dealing in possibilities and probabilities. Alex Jones wishes to stick to documentation and hard facts...while David Icke is willing to venture into less secure and less certain areas of research. But these nebulous areas may be the key to the whole bloody thing.
The Biggest Secret may turn out to be the Greatest Story Ever Told...which also happens to be true. This may be a large part of the truth which sets us free. I really don't think that these powerful forces (whoever or whatever they are) wish for us to figure out what the hell is going on in this planet, solar system, and universe.

I'm still waiting for a convincing explanation regarding the apparent shape-shifting at the beginning of the following video...which was posted by a supporter...rather than by someone trying to prove shape-shifting:YouTube - Joel Osteen Sermon Clip - Step out of the boat

Angel in Disguise

10-10-2009, 04:06 AM

I concur... David Icke seems a bit outrageous at times. My experience seeing this 'thing' happened about 15 yrs ago. I never got into this stuff until 3 yrs ago... So hearing David Icke talk about reptilians for the first time ever triggered a huge emotion... Was that what I saw?... Still a HUGE question for me :zip:

Unified Serenity

10-10-2009, 04:52 AM

I have had direct experiences with demons and reps. I know they cross over dimensions. The Reps hate us and view us as very inferior to them. It scares the you know what out of them when they run into an awake and aware human who does know who they (the human) really are, and acts upon that power, especially in Divine love which they cannot fathom.

This whole argument that they are not real reminds me of people I have known who also did not believe in ghosts because they had never seen one. I pointed out that maybe they have to believe to see or at least not be a person who rejects the fact they exist outright.

They say when I see one I will believe, and I tell them, when you believe or are open then you may see. I have seen them, I have talked with them in 3d, I have helped some, and some of them have helped me. It's not a daily occurance, but I when you have had the direct experiences I have had it is rather laughable when someone says they do not exist.

I don't do dog and pony shows to make believers. I use my abilities when I find them necessary, and if it helps a non-believer in these entities to come to the truth that's great, but have let go of the idea of needing to prove myself or open anyone's eyes. Those who want the truth and seek with a humble open heart will discover many things. The problem is that most people do not want to really challenge their preheld beliefs and it is easier to simply deny the existence of something.

Angel in Disguise

10-10-2009, 05:06 AM

Good answer Unified Serenity :thumb_yello:... I don't really care who believes me or not and have rarely told the story. I just saw it... That's it that's all... Never felt the need to justify :wink2:

Christo888

10-10-2009, 05:35 AM

Interesting to listen to David Icke’s interview with Kerry and Bill… he describes his beginnings as coming from a psychic! While listening to him describe his awakening it became very reminiscent of a similar type of clairvoyant-psychic friend I met in Florida and became good friends with (one of many) for several years. I do want to mention a portion of this story as I can recognize the same MO with my friend as David has described in his interview with his psychic interlude. I do not have an opinion yet as either being for or against what David Icke describes but I do have an experience to evaluate unfolding storylines from wherever they come and I can develop a foothold to compare any similarities.

The similarities were very eerie as the psychic was quite convincing of her information though I was totally a pain in her butt questioning virtually every word because the ‘things’ she spoke of were just too bizarre yet they made sense at the time. This psychic friend of mine began discussing ET’s and their counter parts Reptilians and Grey’s as does David as if she had known of them all her life. Besides that she claims they were out to get her and keep her from warning people about their presence and often was a victim of their frequency and dimensional technology even the cloaking of local buildings were pointed out. Crazier still were the clues, symbols, and businesses scattered all about the town where I had lived at the time which began to paint a picture that was surreal but yet backed up her phenomena!!! Even to watch/observe a bio-terrorist act unfold off shore and onshore one night with the players of both sides of the fence acting out their parts until the threat was dissolved… even subtle military intervention plain as day but in the wee hours of the morning were there and no one else even noticed. She was working with some other lightworkers telepathically on the freighter while we were on shore holding energy patterns until the terrorist substance became inert. Throughout the night we had to walk or drive to specific spots in advance and wait for a clue or sign before the next move, when we arrived she would describe what we had to wait for and sure enough that very scenario would unfold.

Virtually everyday for years there was an adventure unfolding and after awhile I had to really ponder if the experiences are because I am participating in her energy field and these are her frequency experiences or is she just helping to open my awareness to the things that go ‘bump in the night’ because these are experiences that occur all over under everyone’s noses but are typically unrecognizable? So I understand where David Icke comes from but is the attention to this based on the frequency energy given off by his psychic friend’s encounters/world and now he is involved with this because of his belief system being in tune with his psychic friend? Or had David Icke not become involved with his psychic friend would his eyes have been opened differently similar to how Alex Jones developed his insight?

There is much more detail to this but I just wanted to describe a quick overview in order to provide a basis of the interactions of dimensions, and frequency’s of tales from the other side according to a psychic’s/clairvoyants perception.

Out of curiosity has anyone ever heard of 'programmers' stationed at ‘Christmas’ shops, ya know the large and famous ones throughout the country? These 'programmers' seem to be greeters or employees of the shop and when children walk by them they pat them on the back of the head to hypnotize, program or mark them in some way like mind programming them for later on. And if you research who owns these famous and even not so famous Christmas shops and stores you will definitely want to take a look at all the people working in these stores this Christmas and keep an eye on your kids as they wander around the store!!! The lead they (China) put in the Christmas decorations has a significant impact on this scenario, especially the decorations that light (heat) up.

How did Christmas get brought up here?:lol3:

Oh... one of the main points to coincide with Phtha's original post was there were always 'agents' around either following us or trying to nonchalantly sit near us at the coffee shop wanting to listen in. Yes they became obvious to recognize over time and even identifying the vehicles they were in became second nature! Just buy them a cup of Joe if you ever sense them... their working hard too!!!:naughty:

chelmostef

10-10-2009, 02:54 PM

Out of curiosity has anyone ever heard of 'programmers' stationed at ‘Christmas’ shops, ya know the large and famous ones throughout the country? These 'programmers' seem to be greeters or employees of the shop and when children walk by them they pat them on the back of the head to hypnotize, program or mark them in some way like mind programming them for later on.

Derren Brown does this exact thing on his tv shows, the people being targeted have no idea whats happened to them or even somtimes what they have done.

I sounds like the work you have done with your friend was very intreasting!

phtha that is a intreasting concept/article you have come across. I could see exactly how project lizard would work. And how it can has split people into different camps so to speak.. Im sure this is, has, being done quite a lot... The discredit card has been pulled so many times.

RedeZra

10-10-2009, 04:54 PM

TempestGarden

10-10-2009, 04:59 PM

The problem is that most people do not want to really challenge their preheld beliefs and it is easier to simply deny the existence of something.

That is probably the most significant statement that I have read on these forums since I first came here. It seems to be part of the "human condition" to not want to come out from under the security blanket that each of us has had and knows all too well.

I have a quick question since you have had some experience dealing with Reptilians before. Do you happen to know if there is any truth to the various reports that they live underground, or at least a faction of them anyways?

Carol

10-10-2009, 07:18 PM

Awhile back I purchased David Icke's DVD interview with Credo Mutwa and his books. Having spent the time viewing and reading I've come to the conclusion that David Icke's information was all secondhand. Credo Mutwa is first hand and the more credible of the two. Therefore, Reptilians, to my mind do exist. I also know of a woman who has had I believe 6 reptialian hybrid children. I have personally communication with this woman, read her book and spent time on the telephone with her.

I'm sure there is mucho counter intel out there. I tend to go with those who have first hand experience and even then put the info through a sieve.

eleni

10-10-2009, 07:25 PM

I know Credo's nephew (who maintains they are real)as well as hearing an account of one of the *first* reptilian rape cases 19 years ago by Linda Howe (I was sworn to secrecy at the time- now so much has come out that it doesn't matter).
It's my belief that reptilians are a master race of geneticists and have been here long before mammalian species.

As with everything- I'm sure there are positive factions of reptoids and more malevolent factions.

I've only encountered them on ayahausca and they are not negative towards me. It's my belief some sacred plant teachers open up dimensional fields therefore allowing us to access them and their inhabitants.

Christo888

10-10-2009, 07:41 PM

I like to stick to basics

and not get lost in details

Im a simple soul

on a road to somewhere

and to the right the angels

cheering me on

and to the left the demons

seducing me off

seven steps forward six steps back

til life fades into memory

and none can say for sure

what really happens here

Awesome poem!!!:thumb_yello::thumb_yello:

YouTube - How electricity works

'Demons to the left seducing me off'... Electrons leaving the negative side!

'Angels to the right cheering me on'... Electrons gathering on the positive side!

"Im a simple soul

on a road to somewhere" ... What path are your electrons taking?

"Seven steps forward six steps back" ... Either to light up life-purpose-Heart, or to short circuit life and allow the NWO to take over-"Ground Hog Day" w/Bill Murray!

Root/Ground (negative) ... Third Eye/Thought-ALL (positive) = short circuit life, or Glowing Heart of Divine Intelligence to fulfill potential!!:trumpet:

Red + Indigo = (no not a speeding ticket, but a great way to hide the truth in plain sight):wink2:

Every individual NEEDS to fulfill their own potential-purpose-light, that's why you get pulled over by the NWO (short circuit - distractions) if you are speeding to your destination and passing up the NWO.

Tempered Defiance creates Whole New Worlds!!!!:lol3:

Unified Serenity

10-10-2009, 08:41 PM

That is probably the most significant statement that I have read on these forums since I first came here. It seems to be part of the "human condition" to not want to come out from under the security blanket that each of us has had and knows all too well.

I have a quick question since you have had some experience dealing with Reptilians before. Do you happen to know if there is any truth to the various reports that they live underground, or at least a faction of them anyways?

I have no first hand knowledge of them living underground. I do know they work in etheric places, and it would not surprise me that they have used 3d underground means to be here. For me it is about energy, attraction, setting off beacons in astral that they lock onto and want investigate because such people might be either useful energy tools for them or dangerous for them.

Once they know you can take care of yourself and they don't scare you they tend to stay away and hope you get bored or stay away as well. I do think various things are put into place for such in tune energy people to make their 3d lives less successful because humans don't tend to listen to poor people who cannot play the 3d game and live in high class neighborhoods running in the well to do circles. I have run in circles of the ultra rich and I know monetary poverty. My truth is my path and not being affected by outward circumstances, but to follow and work within the higher astral realms while at the same time doing my best to work here in 3d and provide a home. So much of what we see here is an illusion and very much unimportant. Sorry, I went off topic from your question. I just went where my mind took me.

Phtha

10-10-2009, 08:48 PM

I watched and enjoyed the Credo Mutwa interview some time ago as well. (They are probably still on youtube if anyone is interested in watching)

To me his story came across the same way that our myths do. It is not to be taken literally, and there is a deep meaning to what is said. Credo is a great story teller that is for sure.

When Credo started talking about his personal abductions, rape by alien females, and mind control implants... it makes a good tale, much of it makes sense, and who knows it could be true... stranger things have happened I'm sure. I take it as allegory for now though.

For those in this thread that claim to have witnessed these reptilian beings first hand, Unified, Angel, and Ele, I would love to hear the experience in more detail if you could....

Awhile back I purchased David Icke's DVD interview with Credo Mutwa and his books. Having spent the time viewing and reading I've come to the conclusion that David Icke's information was all secondhand. Credo Mutwa is first hand and the more credible of the two. Therefore, Reptilians, to my mind do exist. I also know of a woman who has had I believe 6 reptialian hybrid children. I have personally communication with this woman, read her book and spent time on the telephone with her.

I'm sure there is mucho counter intel out there. I tend to go with those who have first hand experience and even then put the info through a sieve.

Christo888

10-10-2009, 08:49 PM

Unified Serenity... your Avatar is blinking!!! :mfr_lol:

May you be surrounded with an overflowing abundance of 3d material and monetary circumstances, situations, and opportunity's as you know exactly what and how to put it all to good use!!!!!!!!:roll1: 3X

tone3jaguar

10-10-2009, 08:57 PM

I am not saying that there are no humanoid reptilian ETs, I am just saying that they are not fronting as mammals in Washington. I think that there are actually multiple races of reptilian humanoid ET's. Why would there only be one?

Lionhawk

10-10-2009, 09:04 PM

Counter Intel Ops? Hmmmmm...................

:mfr_omg:

To sum it up in 3 words. Impressive. NOT!

You know I'm jumping up and down over here. I can't help myself. :lmao:

Project Lizard? :roll1:

I'm speechless. I really don't know what to say about this thread. Maybe we ought to rename it Project Buffalo Chips. Where does this stuff come from? Maybe I ought to do like the rest of the herd and just stick my head in the sand and mumble that we have already won. Over and over, snorting and passing gas, just to make sure I can hear myself. :lmao:

Don't take this the wrong way as I am having a fun day. But let me give everyone a clue. "THE EYES". Watch the eyes. I'm not talking about the pupils. I am talking about the blinking. The patterns of the blinking. They have this common trait. Look elsewhere on different interviews and watch the blinking. A bonus could be the pupils changing right before you with that other lid that comes in from 90 angles on both sides of the pupil, but the blinking is what gives it away. The flutter. Don't fall for the crying. Watch the flutter.

There are two things you should be great full of if you have a direct encounter. You're still breathing and you are surely BLESSED! Very few survive an encounter.

I'm going to stop here. Some of you know why I am stopping here. :wall:

One last little thing is an electron weighs 1/1780 of a proton. Thought that might get rid of some zeros for you. :tongue2:

Namaste'

Christo888

10-10-2009, 09:06 PM

Phtha... My two cents...

I only experienced crazy nightmares and daymares:lol3: in my imagination when I was around this psychic/clairvoyant friend several years ago, but the energy/feeling became real. I discovered imaginarily that 'Salt Water' sprayed on Greys, and 'Gold Dust' sprinkled on Reptilians terrified them as it burned them or disintegrated them??? And I do understand the concept of what Dr. Greer discussed during one of his talks that he has witnessed or seen or knows about an actual machine or process by which image or thought can be programmed as a blueprint and this device will transform this blueprint into the real world of 3d... hence 'they' were creating monsters out of the 'deep'!!!:thumbdown:

I see that as very likely!!!:shocked:

YouTube - WEIRD SCIENCE - 1985 - TRAILER

:mfr_lol::mfr_lol::mfr_lol:

Christo888

10-10-2009, 09:13 PM

LionHawk?????

Exactly what nerve is this thread hitting you with????????

Phtha

10-10-2009, 10:18 PM

No offense Lionhawk but I'm afraid I'll need a little more evidence then watching videos of peoples eye lids fluttering and pupils changing to make me believe they are shapeshifting, man eating reptoids that control the human race.

Thoughts are electric, emotions are magnetic, and these 2 combined create a charge, an electro-magnetic field, that can be called a belief system, that once created, can seem as real as anything else, even without direct experience... I certainly believe that you believe they are real. Would you mind explaining why this is so?

Phtha

10-10-2009, 10:31 PM

Thats interesting Christos, I read book about a device that was said to be invented sometime in the late 1800's or early 1900's if I rememeber right. It was called a Black Box Psychic Generator.... I just googled and found the book online, it even has instructions on how to build one and how it works:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_psycho17.htm

I've met what I consider to be other beings in my dream state as well, and like you that is all I have experienced.
I had a very lucid dream not long ago. A large bright golden ball of light about the same size as a human, took me to Venus, asked me if I would like to stay or go back to earth now, and offered to take me to Mars later. It was a guide basically.
I woke up with full memory of the dream and the experiences of Venus I had that night. Whether it was a dream or I really was taken to Venus in some state I don't know for sure, but I've sent much thanks into the ether for giving me this and other similar experiences.

Life is so great when stepping out side of that octahedron called mainstream reality... lol.

Phtha... My two cents...

I only experienced crazy nightmares and daymares:lol3: in my imagination when I was around this psychic/clairvoyant friend several years ago, but the energy/feeling became real. I discovered imaginarily that 'Salt Water' sprayed on Greys, and 'Gold Dust' sprinkled on Reptilians terrified them as it burned them or disintegrated them??? And I do understand the concept of what Dr. Greer discussed during one of his talks that he has witnessed or seen or knows about an actual machine or process by which image or thought can be programmed as a blueprint and this device will transform this blueprint into the real world of 3d... hence 'they' were creating monsters out of the 'deep'!!!

Christo888

10-10-2009, 11:33 PM

Cool book... read some parts... maybe a full reading is in order! A Black Box to mirror the darkness of creation of which thought becomes light and light becomes dimension (pick one, any one) through the right angle!!!:lmfao:

Lionhawk

10-10-2009, 11:48 PM

Phtha stated, "No offense Lionhawk but I'm afraid I'll need a little more evidence then watching videos of peoples eye lids fluttering and pupils changing to make me believe they are shapeshifting, man eating reptoids that control the human race."

No offense taken. Take the blue pill, please. You don't want to take the red one in this case. I'm begging you. For your sake. This is probably my only exception to go out and prove it. You don't need to. Let's stay in la la land on this one. Great posts! Great thread! I'll tell you anything you want to hear that sounds good to ya. You win! I concede.

Christo888, you're just fine man. No worries as to what pinches my nerves. I would rather keep it to myself, at least tonight.

Bless you both!

TempestGarden

10-10-2009, 11:49 PM

I've only encountered them on ayahausca and they are not negative towards me. It's my belief some sacred plant teachers open up dimensional fields therefore allowing us to access them and their inhabitants.

Eleni,

Can you explain what you mean here?

TempestGarden

10-10-2009, 11:51 PM

Phtha

10-11-2009, 12:04 AM

So I'm in la la land if I don't believe something that some anonymous person says on an internet forum? No evidence what so ever, not even an attempt with words even.
Cool... I like la la land.

Enough with ur insulting remarks please. I'd love to hear why it is that you think they exist.. as I stated before.

I know all the rumors about what the lizard people do. I also know of left hand occult doctrines that make the reptoid reality look like childs toys.

If it is all real I'm sorry but I've proved to myself the reality of Eternity so I'm really have no fear, and I am sure I can handle the info lol...

Nice try tho, you are starting to smell like a decepticon urself. *talks down to others who question theory without providing any bit of evidence.

Bless you too!

No offense taken. Take the blue pill, please. You don't want to take the red one in this case. I'm begging you. For your sake. This is probably my only exception to go out and prove it. You don't need to. Let's stay in la la land on this one. Great posts! Great thread! I'll tell you anything you want to hear that sounds good to ya. You win! I concede.

Bless you both!

Christo888

10-11-2009, 12:20 AM

Christo888, you're just fine man. No worries as to what pinches my nerves. I would rather keep it to myself, at least tonight.

Bless you both!

OK... It's all yours forever and ever!

Lionhawk

10-11-2009, 01:38 AM

I wasn't trying trying to be insulting. Please don't twist this as that was never my intention. I also said "let's". Referring to la la land. That means let us stay in la la land, which includes me. I conceded already. That's what I don't like about believing. It isn't proven either way. It's second hand and can't be proven or dis proven. So don't get your emotional body involved as like taking this so personal. You presented information that is only a piece of the pie and it is merely someone's take on it. You may agree with this take but it isn't your story to begin with. I do have a story based on my own experience but I can't prove a thing concerning it. It isn't a story that I can copy and paste.

So accept my apologies as I have already conceded. The reason for my comment on staying in la la land is that it is safe to do so in this case. It had nothing to do with your level of intelligence. But you already knew that. I was being sincere because this is just the tip of the iceberg. Again don't go and try to prove this one. It isn't worth your life and that was where I was coming from. Savy?

eleni

10-11-2009, 02:19 AM

Phtha- my experience is limited to an Aya journey- it's deeply personal and was in fact pretty bizarre- quite sexual in nature which is why I am reserved about sharing it.

Other than that I've had no 3d/abduction interaction with reptiles unless all Nordic humanoids are really reptoids in disguise.

Credo's nephew (his mom is also a Zulu shaman) told me Credo speaks of reptile in a literal not symbolic way.

orthodoxymoron

10-11-2009, 02:29 AM

I'm curious about the differences between 1. 'Native' Reptilians 2. Draconian Reptilians 3. Physical Reptilians 4. Non-Physical Reptilians 5. Tall and Short Greys. Are they really different...or are they different aspects of the same beings? Are there some reptilians and greys who we could peacefully live with...and who would not try to enslave or exterminate us...and who would just go about their business, either in isolation or as next-door neighbors? Are there some reptilians who are very hostile and dangerous demonic entities...and who would never, ever become friendly toward humans? Frankly...I'm tired of the cat and mouse...he said she said...it could be this way or it could be that way...aspects of this phenomenon. I just want the really evil and dangerous beings of all races and varieties (including human)...to leave this solar system...and leave us alone...and the sooner the better. I know this sounds simplistic...but why does this have to be so hard?

RedeZra

10-11-2009, 02:40 AM

...For me it is about energy, attraction, setting off beacons in astral that they lock onto and want investigate because such people might be either useful energy tools for them or dangerous for them...

It seems to be so

curious too

these things in astral

look like small translucent orbs

to our physical eyes

phasing in and phasing out

just like Ufos

yes I've seen one

and mentioned it before (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=74710#post74710)

I bet it can shapeshift too

So dont be taken by surprise

if your excessive interest

in ufo alien et etc

makes strange things appear

for they are curious creatures

come night

no they will not eat us lol

but better to focus on the angels and the saints

and of course the Christ

for they will also pick up your interest

bless your night

Starlah

10-11-2009, 03:50 AM

For those in this thread that claim to have witnessed these reptilian beings first hand, Unified, Angel, and Ele, I would love to hear the experience in more detail if you could....[/QUOTE]
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I'd be curious for those who have had the experience of meeting a Reptilian whether you've noticed a 'sulphur' smell.......also whether you experienced any physical reactions after the meeting....such as a rash on exposed areas of the skin.
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History is a lie commonly agreed upon...........Voltaire

orthodoxymoron

10-11-2009, 03:56 AM

What is an appropriate level of interest in aliens/spirits/ufos/etc? To me...researching books and the internet...in a detached manner...is the proper way to deal with this. Getting involved in all manner of experimentation, seminars, initiations, seances, channeling, following gurus, joining cults, etc...is really playing with some very hot fire. As I have said before...I am treating most of this as science fiction which could very well be true. Having said that...I still feel like I am wrestling with a lot more than flesh and blood...big-time and 24/7. I don't really like this...but I don't think we really have the option of opting out of this game. We are in the middle of it...whether we like it or not. The test must come to every soul. Choose wisely. Conduit closing.

no caste

10-11-2009, 06:04 AM

Out of curiosity has anyone ever heard of 'programmers' stationed at ‘Christmas’ shops, ya know the large and famous ones throughout the country? These 'programmers' seem to be greeters or employees of the shop and when children walk by them they pat them on the back of the head to hypnotize, program or mark them in some way like mind programming them for later on. And if you research who owns these famous and even not so famous Christmas shops and stores you will definitely want to take a look at all the people working in these stores this Christmas and keep an eye on your kids as they wander around the store!!! The lead they (China) put in the Christmas decorations has a significant impact on this scenario, especially the decorations that light (heat) up.

How did Christmas get brought up here?:lol3:

That's a weird concept there, christo - programmers at Christmas shops. Haven't heard of it before, like with a small gizmo or something anyway. This year, I'm starting preemptive Christmas strikes for the 2009 retail season, like this (countercounter intel op).

Shock and bawl (in spraypaint).

http://theafterlifeepitaph.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/n503555322_5094770_2798.jpg?w=401&h=604

Light Beyond

10-11-2009, 10:26 AM

tone3jaguar

10-11-2009, 12:10 PM

That is a scientology movie

orthodoxymoron

10-11-2009, 03:39 PM

Is the laughing-guy L. Ron Hubbard? :lol3:

Lionhawk

10-11-2009, 06:43 PM

Starlah, wrote, "For those in this thread that claim to have witnessed these reptilian beings first hand, Unified, Angel, and Ele, I would love to hear the experience in more detail if you could...."

Well if you notice it isn't being told in this thread. So maybe what I was thinking was to post something along those lines somewhere else just so we don't change the construct of this thread. Just out of respect. You also have to consider these kind of experiences also are a bearing of the soul. For those looking on the outside who never had such an experience might have a hard time accepting the fact that these experiences actually do happen. Also the ones that have had these experiences do not want to be pursued as like in a witch hunt. That's why no one is saying anything in that direction. The consensus is that there is no proof that they can provide and if they could provide the proof, it wouldn't matter anyway as most people would react with their emotional bodies instead of embracing it as a possibility. It's just human nature in these regards. :thumb_yello:

Angel in Disguise

10-11-2009, 07:15 PM

What my friend and I both witnessed is best described by looking at the figure in this clip... It appears at 1:08 minutes... and then again briefly after.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2640142

Fredkc

10-11-2009, 07:40 PM

Christo;
Re. your post on electricity...

I have consulted several ancient Sioux legends and,
I am sorry to tell you that electricity is an illusion!

What makes all "electrical devices" work, is the power of smoke.

This is easily proven by anyone:
What happens to any electrical device, whether plugged in,
or not, when the smoke leaves ?

It quits working, right?

I rest my case,

Fred
http://fredsitelive.com/fun/rofl.gif

Christo888

10-11-2009, 10:30 PM

Hey Fred... :mfr_lol::mfr_lol::mfr_lol:

Christo888

10-11-2009, 10:59 PM

FYI LionHawk...

In the archives of Avalon there are numerous threads discussing the Reptilians and Greys and many have commented on their personal experiences over the last year or so, this is not a new subject here by any means.

Instead of speaking for everyone else on this topic than go ahead and start a thread that is for personal experiences... anyone whom has had an experience with a Reptilian or Grey than go ahead and describe in detail what happened. If the experience was in your imagination than please outline as such if your personal experience was in this physical realm than by all means let's hear it.

If 'they' are a dimensional being then do the best you can to describe what that dimension is... Why does this subject have to be held in such mystery... we talk about UFO's quite openly, we talk about underground bases quite openly, so do we want to continue the mystery by not talking about it?

Religious people talk about the devil constantly, so is it a polarity issue? The devil has never shown himself in the flesh as depicted and described in statues and writings.

A family member sees devils and demons all the time and she is a born againer type fanatic, but when I speak with non born againers they don't really have a whole lot to say in that regard, they don't experience it!!!

So is it a psy-ops phenomena? Are only certainly people capable of seeing Reps and Greys and devils and demons? Is it a transmitted frequency that brings to life these types of monsters? Are there certain times where the frequency is heightened and whomever is in close proximity to the energy will experience it? Are there individual members who want to keep the mystery so they purposely won't talk about it as if that will keep fear alive?

Start a thread about personal experience with Reps and Greys. Who is willing to participate?

Or this is beating the ground with a stick and I guess we'll move on and begin creating the world in which WE all want to live devoid of the mysterious devil ones. :thumb_yello:

Christo888

10-11-2009, 11:03 PM

OOOOPsss ... Ok never mind a thread has been started.

tone3jaguar

10-12-2009, 12:21 AM

So I guess that I will post this one, one of my favorite all time movies. Paints a little less intimidating reptilian picture. Perhaps who ever wrote this was trying to promote a non racist mentality when it comes to the appearance of different types of ET's? What if there is only one bad race of reptilians and 10 good ones? Isn't it a little reckless to group them all together and stereotype them? Has humanity learned nothing from our mistakes?

YouTube - Trailer - Enemy Mine (1985)

Phtha

10-12-2009, 01:37 AM

I find it funny that you accuse me of the 'emotional body activiation' thing, did you not write your first post in this thread? Sorry but that was hippie-critical of you considering you did the very same thing. :nono:

That being said, why do you feel getting emotional is a bad thing? I enjoyed the emotions in your first post, and it is the reason I was very curious to find out why your belief is so strong concerning the reptoids... People should use that body more me thinks!

I also disagree with your statement about it being safe to stay in ignorance (or la la land). That is prison, sure I guess your relatively safe there.. if your in PC anyways, but it sure isn't freedom. Why are you so certain that researching the reptoids is life threatening? You create a good drama, so now I need the rest of the story. And the ones who are talking about in the open seem to be doing just fine for themselves so far, Bless them all.

This current life experience is going to end for us sooner or later, there is nothing to be scared of, it really is just an experience. Sure I could think of many better ways to end this one then on the dinner plate of a reptilian with extremely bad breath, but even if I did I'm sure it something I could talk about for aeons to come. :tongue2:

So don't get your emotional body involved as like taking this so personal. You presented information that is only a piece of the pie and it is merely someone's take on it.

The reason for my comment on staying in la la land is that it is safe to do so in this case. It had nothing to do with your level of intelligence. But you already knew that. I was being sincere because this is just the tip of the iceberg. Again don't go and try to prove this one. It isn't worth your life and that was where I was coming from. Savy?

Lionhawk

10-12-2009, 04:32 AM

"As I read these it struck me exactly what the reptilians are: A counter-intelligence operation."

That's what struck my nerve Christo888. Then the spiel after words to support that statement as that is exactly what it is. That is where la la land is. Because that statement is disinformation. If anyone swallowed that as in hook, line, and sinker, then realize that you were duped. Simply because it is very far from the whole truth. The technologies involved with this subject is only a small part of the bigger picture. The above statement sums up the whole Reptilian subject as "exactly". When it isn't. That is what is ignorant here and I choose not to be.

My concerns with this subject is that of experiences. Not a mis type. As in plural. I am also not the only one. To read it summed up as a covert operation is very mis leading and clearly shows the lack of experience on this topic, by the author. Again, this is a perception in it's truest form. But it is just one man's perception and it can not be or should be accepted as the the totality of the subject.

To also state it is again second hand information to the reader. There by the value of such information is basically near zero. Unless someone feels like inflating it to give it more value to create the illusion that this is real. Using the emotional body to give it energy by polarizing the content, to give it artificial life, thus creating that illusion. Thereby establishing it as credible.

Phtha,

Let's get something straight here. I am not your enemy. When you posted this, I was jumping up and down. It insulted my intelligence. It insulted my experience. I also thought I was civil about it and conceded to you, not out of weakness, but with respect. Why? Because if you ever had any real experience on this subject, such as a real encounter, your delivery would be much different. Now you can separate everything I have said and use it by twisting it out of context and try to convince others that I am a hypocrite because you "feel" like it. Well, your feelings won't have any effect on the truth of the matter. The bottom line, even now, I had a general concern for your well being. Your life. If you were to seek proof, you probably would never survive such an encounter. All the second hand information of lies will not help you to survive that encounter. That was why I said to stay in la la land on this. I asked you to take the blue pill on this subject. Not because I thought you were ignorant as in totally, but because if you were actually confronted with the truth, you wouldn't know what to do and you will only be putting yourself in harm's way. That is exactly where I was coming from. Trust me when I say, it wasn't about your feelings, at least the ones you have expressed. And then you want me to tell you my story. I don't think so. Also it should be noted if you haven't noticed, that some of the ones that have mentioned that they are an experiencer, won't either. So tough guy, you figure that one out.

Also, if YOU written up something original instead of hijacking someone's own work using the copy paste button, this thread would probably be a lot more valuable and might give us a better perspective from someone we know. All you have succeeded in is posting second hand information, then using it as a platform to justify your feelings. And there is nothing wrong with that to a point. But keep in mind there is a point. After a while is becomes very boring.

Christo888

10-12-2009, 06:11 AM

Out of curiosity LionHawk would you describe your experiences such as Miriam Delicado somewhat eluded too in her first interview with Kerry & Bill (or it was part of her book that is available to read on her site)?

Also, would your experiences also coincide with subtlety's mentioned by Alex Collier in his LA conference talk, let's say Denver Airport for reference? And maybe some 'stormtroopers' infiltrating a base in NM?

And would your experience also be a similar litmus test against many references of why certain people will not discuss this topic openly but perhaps they describe their experience behind closed doors and may be why some such as Kerry may be a little strong in their approach towards let's say Dr. Greer for stating ET's here are benevolent?

And a side note when you use the phrase 'trust me' the opposite actually occurs just FYI... Many attorney's have been fired for saying just that to their clients!:thumb_yello:

Phtha

10-12-2009, 06:43 AM

Lionhawk your really losing me here lol.
I'm sorry this thread insults your intelligence... I can't see why it would but hey to each his own. Why were you jumping up and down and then accuse me of getting emotional? I'm really not, your reactions just make me curious.

Obviously if I had real experience on the subject my opinions would change, but like I say I haven't, and I made a rule with myself that I will never believe anything like this subject matter with 100% certainty unless I gain personal experience. I will also never say it is all BS without 100% proof, I still lean towards counter intel op... It has nothing to do with insulting you intelligence, I promise! You could be right..

I mentioned hippie-crit because you accuse me of the very things you are doing in this thread, you did it again with this reply acusing me of taking it personal.. yet look at you. I'm just being factual is all, not my fault if its true. :lightsabre:

Again you create all this drama and tell me to back down lol. Again I tell you I have no fear about anything here in this life. I really don't. I just think you have nothing to add, not sure what your goal is though.
Why do you call me a tough guy? Stop insulting, I'm just asking questions...

Sorry the copy and paste annoys you. I mentioned before hand it was just that, as I thought it was a good article, stop trying to change the issues here. I never claim to be intelligent like you do.

I'm curious is all.

Christos I can say you are right about that 'trust me' statement.. lol.
*fires lionhawk*

Kidding!

Phtha,

Let's get something straight here. I am not your enemy. When you posted this, I was jumping up and down. It insulted my intelligence. It insulted my experience. I also thought I was civil about it and conceded to you, not out of weakness, but with respect. Why? Because if you ever had any real experience on this subject, such as a real encounter, your delivery would be much different. Now you can separate everything I have said and use it by twisting it out of context and try to convince others that I am a hypocrite because you "feel" like it. Well, your feelings won't have any effect on the truth of the matter. The bottom line, even now, I had a general concern for your well being. Your life. If you were to seek proof, you probably would never survive such an encounter. All the second hand information of lies will not help you to survive that encounter. That was why I said to stay in la la land on this. I asked you to take the blue pill on this subject. Not because I thought you were ignorant as in totally, but because if you were actually confronted with the truth, you wouldn't know what to do and you will only be putting yourself in harm's way. That is exactly where I was coming from. Trust me when I say, it wasn't about your feelings, at least the ones you have expressed. And then you want me to tell you my story. I don't think so. Also it should be noted if you haven't noticed, that some of the ones that have mentioned that they are an experiencer, won't either. So tough guy, you figure that one out.

Also, if YOU written up something original instead of hijacking someone's own work using the copy paste button, this thread would probably be a lot more valuable and might give us a better perspective from someone we know. All you have succeeded in is posting second hand information, then using it as a platform to justify your feelings. And there is nothing wrong with that to a point. But keep in mind there is a point. After a while is becomes very boring.

Lionhawk

10-12-2009, 08:52 AM

Points well taken Christo. But also make an important note and that is I am not a lawyer. When I said "trust me" was in reference to someone's feelings as a none factor when you have an encounter. I wasn't asking permission for someone to sign on the dotted line and there were no request of pentacles in this statement.

The fact of the matter is that there is a lot not being said here. That is so evident. The reasons are so obvious. Aside from those who have experienced, there are other issues that come into play after the experience. I don't know what could be worse. The actual experience or the experience as to having to deal with it for the rest of your days. Because those types of experiences don't just go away. You carry them everywhere you go. So if I say trust me, when I say I wouldn't do it again. I mean it literally.

What it comes down to for me and I have also had other people say something like the fact that I don't have to prove it to them. The reasons come down to be able to handle it as in awareness often falls so short in these matters. Some can handle it but many can't. Just as an example that all the people on line don't come here as it scares the hell out of them. What we often end up doing is dealing with the their fears and their reactions and still have to juggle the fears of the experience all at the same time. When in fact we even want to forget what happened to us because of the that fear factor and then to have a heckler wanting to exploit you on top of it would make any person say, Forget it! Been there done that. Why bother having people who just don't know just try to ruin your day when you already have been through the mill. Why ask for more punishment? Someone said it was like going through a gauntlet. I couldn't agree more. Then if you do talk about it, it so often ends up like the rut season. Like right now as in the deer going through their season to propagate. Where the bucks scape, urinate to mark their turf, scape a tree,and so on. It can end up with two bucks saying mine is bigger than yours without any resolve to getting to the real truth.

Here's the sad part. I have been here for a few weeks and I already know of people here that have had some incredible first hand experiences in this area. I also find these people to be probably the most humble, compassionate, honest souls you'll ever come across. True warriors of the spirit. Not wantabees. The real unspoken heroes who know what is at stake. Who have engaged the enemy and lived to be able to tell about it. On a daily basis I might add. The enemy being of true form, whether it is etheric or physical. These things to us are not something we have invited into our lives. We started out trying to be normal and have normal lives like anyone else. But that is not what we are allowed to have and to have hecklers who don't get it at all on top of it? I'm on the wrong Planet is all I can figure. We have been demonized, isolated, driven out of having normal lives, and so forth. yet we stand as strong as we can to bring the truth out so that others can protect themselves from this type of encounter and what do we get for it? I could go on and on but what's the point of it?

Miriam is another one. A modern day hero who was almost killed in the beginning of Aug. Because they don't want you to know. It was no accident. Which brings up another thing that is never mentioned and one of the things I was referring to earlier as to what happens afterward. How would you like to be hunted down on a daily basis? How would you like to be on their KILL LIST? How would you like to live a life where you had to be prepared for every and all kinds of attack that range from technological weapons, to etheric attacks, mind control scenarios ( where the rage of someone else is used against you, as in like your best friend), name it? Like Miriam, where she says I don't want to be here telling you this, I can relate! There is no way where I would be seeking an interview. No way!

For that matter I was guided here to do what I could to help some of these people. I am doing that work and not just sitting in my chair. I don't get paid for it either so there is no profit being made here with those efforts. I am not in this for profit. I have no personal agenda but to assist those who could use some assistance. I don't know everything either. But what I do know is not going to be smeared because that is all I have left in this life. No one can take that from me, period.

Maybe I'm not answering all that you have asked as my experience is different as to the ones you have referred to. We all have unique assignments that are only part of the puzzle of this huge picture. I am only one light in many. Part of the whole. But my light is on. Sorry to be a bearer of bad news as many of the lights are off. Not my choice as that has only increased the burden to be spread out amongst the few who's light is on. It will also come to a point where all I can do is enough and I will have to just drop it. If humanity can't come together and get their houses in order, I'm going to retire from this as in permanent. And if by some chance we end up in some terrible war, don't come looking for me for the answers or the soulutions as those who have chosen not to wake up, will realize that they need a body guard and when that is realized you will know it will be to late. won't do what the Government has already done, and that is sell you out. If you want to accept their pile of stuff as so or the second hand press that dis informs everyone, consider the fact that you have sold yourself out. I will also not take responsibility for it so where this qualifies to those who can't handle the truth, you will only have you to blame for your choices. Now you can call me arrogant! I'm sorry if I am not sugar coating it. To much is at stake to sugar coat it and our time is at hand. As of yesterday, Oct 11, 2009, we are now in it folks. There is no turning back and if we can't open our minds to the all the possibilities and continue to sugar coat the facts and spread dis information because we forgot the basics, we are in trouble already.

You mentioned Denver International. Have you been there? I haven't been there as being in there. Because I won't go in there. I have been by there as recent as a few weeks ago. For that matter I was going by there back in the day when they were building it and it was bad then. It is much worse now as the evil there continues to ooze out ward from it. It's a story but to give you the short end of it, there was a young man sitting next to me on this Greyhound bus I was on, We just left Denver and travel about 45 minutes and the bus broke down. Let me tell you, you can start a thread just on this subject. The kid knew I was freaking out and didn't know why. I couldn't tell him. I didn't want to freak him out. All I can say was I was relieved when we got the bus going again and we crossed that Kansas border. So when you are on their Kill list and you're on their turf, how are you suppose to act? Especially when cellular memory kicks in.

You can call it what you like, Phtha. I was straight up about what I said and I conceded and that wasn't enough for you. Talk about drama. I will say this one more time and that is I'm sorry! What you do with this response as I have laid it all out there for you except my experience in this subject, is up to you as I can detach from it. You started this thread and just out of respect I will leave it. Just to keep some kind of peace.

Phtha

10-12-2009, 10:33 AM

The only thing I know of Miriam is from the project Camelot interview, and she shared nothing in that interview that hasn't been out there in the ufo circles for some time. That interview never set well with me either, I had mentioned this on the Mariam thread some time ago. Maybe she is telling the truth, I just have my doubts, nothing personal against her, I wish her the best.

As for her recent accident, maybe it was just an accident, they do happen quite often you know?
I'm not trying to be disagreeable, I just don't jump to conclusions so fast.

Here's the sad part. I have been here for a few weeks and I already know of people here that have had some incredible first hand experiences in this area. I also find these people to be probably the most humble, compassionate, honest souls you'll ever come across. True warriors of the spirit. Not wantabees. The real unspoken heroes who know what is at stake. Who have engaged the enemy and lived to be able to tell about it. [/I][/SIZE]

There is nothing sad about that, I think its great that we are able to share stories so readily with each other thanks to the www. And I agree with you that these people are just as important and do just as much work as the big names in the scene.
I think it can be dangerous to trust people so fast though, to give them your 100% belief, without first getting to know them in real life first, or at least quite well online.

Phtha

10-12-2009, 10:49 AM

I also choose not to take the red or the blue pill thank you. They both lead to lies and deceit, the only question is which side has more? :lol3:

chelmostef

10-12-2009, 09:24 PM

I would like to thank Phtha for sharing this article.. I like to look at things ojectively and to get as many different angles on a subject as possible.. This way I can try to understand the subject with a even opinion.. Its not to say I think it is true or false or real information or dis-information just like to look at things analyically... And that would be the same with your experience with these beings LionHawk.. You cannot 100% say it would be bad or harm us as in any way, you can say you think it might... I for one have heard there are some that are benevolent, whos to say one might meet one of those.. Whos to say that one might actually relish the experience.. Humans are strange creatures, some like to be hung just by hooks though the skin... I think there is at least one human in the race who would enjoy just about anything possible..

Stef

Christo888

10-12-2009, 11:04 PM

I was shown pictures of a body ripped in half after a car accident with a semi... I could've done without seeing those pictures... I wouldn't recommend to anyone having a desire to see those pictures. But some people are unphased... to each their own, right. 'Trust me' I know what you mean.

BROOK

10-13-2009, 12:39 AM

RedeZra

10-13-2009, 04:01 AM

I'd be curious for those who have had the experience of meeting a Reptilian whether you've noticed a 'sulphur' smell.......also whether you experienced any physical reactions after the meeting....such as a rash on exposed areas of the skin.
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History is a lie commonly agreed upon...........Voltaire

as for the sulphur smell

it is the stench of demons

its a dead giveaway

of the visitor's nature

for it comes from brimstone

Lionhawk

10-13-2009, 04:30 AM

Stef,

It is what you choose to subscribe to. So choose away, friend. Just choose wisely. Or not.

orthodoxymoron

10-13-2009, 05:27 AM

YouTube - January 26th, 2008 - Part 2 (2nd Interview)

BROOK

10-13-2009, 06:23 AM

YouTube - Project Camelot interviews Jordan Maxwell

RedeZra

10-13-2009, 03:43 PM

Jordanus Maximus

suggests

the sound of God's steps in Eden

must mean He is an alien

and

that the man

in Genesis 18

whom Abraham

speaks of as the Lord

must be an alien

He cannot fathom

that God would appear

to man as a man

or a burning bush lol

mntruthseeker

10-13-2009, 11:10 PM

I have been watching the series Hauntings on the TV late at night.

I'm surprised at the stories these people are coming out with and I have to admit that there is something deffinately out there.

If its coming over fromt he 5th dimension or what. It may very well be what David is talking about.

I bet he has seen many

I know what I have seen. I believe in what my son had seen and just in case, I want you all to know. I do not drink or use drugs. I just seen the things I did and I sure an hell didn't manisfest them up...............I had no clue that they looked prior to my seeing them.

there is something out there thats for sure

mntruthseeker

10-13-2009, 11:28 PM

well I listened to the video you put up Ortho and it has left me speachless !

voltron

10-13-2009, 11:48 PM

David Wilcock mentioned in Los angeles Awake and Aware conference that some of the alternative news web sites are sponsored by the Pentagon. I have always had my doubts about David Icke. Mind you I have read some of his books, visited his web site many times and listened to his videos. The thing that characterizes both he and alex Jones is they are always fear based. They never offer solutions. just problems. They think it is enough to know the truth. Well, sorry folks, knowing the truth is only the start. I was enlightened myself once, a long time ago. And I can tell you I feel into the trap of conspiracy theories. They sound enticeing. Like you are always learning something new. But after 50 years you realize you are going around and around in circles. just like those people who are always predicting the ETs and coming any day now.

Moxie

10-14-2009, 12:12 AM

yes, easily recognized Votron... if there are no solid solutions, what IS the point of reitterating fear based sharings.

orthodoxymoron

10-14-2009, 12:27 AM

You are so correct voltron. Solutions must be formulated. Just spouting problems is like drilling holes in a lifeboat. The problems need to be clearly revealed...but proper solutions should be formulated before yelling that the sky is falling.

Some speakers and writers provide vital information regarding the problems...but one must look elsewhere to locate solid and workable solutions. Running in the streets (the result of being programmed with fear and anger)...or giving up (the result of being programmed with 'resistance is futile')...are not solid and workable solutions.

The subjects discussed on Avalon can be very tricky. Problems must always be balanced with solutions. This is easier said than done. I worry that we can bury ourselves in the problems on the one hand...or bury our heads in the sand on the other hand. I'm not quite sure what the proper balance-point is. That's why I just mumble on the internet...and mumble to myself! It's easier that way!

mntruthseeker

10-14-2009, 12:38 AM

Phtha

10-14-2009, 01:40 AM

I'm the opposite. I question Wilcock, mainly since his Nobama stance, but I admire Icke a lot and never got the feeling he is getting payed from insiders. Actually Icke is one of my favorite researchers in the biz. I don't see his style as fear mongering, you can't fix a problem if you don't know what it is so like Jones he has his part to play.

But your points are well taken about getting caught in these endless circles.

David Wilcock mentioned in Los angeles Awake and Aware conference that some of the alternative news web sites are sponsored by the Pentagon. I have always had my doubts about David Icke.

Anchor

10-14-2009, 11:07 AM

I also choose not to take the red or the blue pill thank you. They both lead to lies and deceit, the only question is which side has more? :lol3:

Now that is interesting. First thought I had reading that: Yes - we all have hearts and don't need a pill to be led by it. If we are in a matrix, we don't need any pills to wake us up, we need to learn to listen to the infallible guide within.

However - what is it that catalyzes us to change direction - to start making the changes we need to make in order to extricate ourselves from the prison?

Red pill - Blue pill - simply an analogy for different kinds of catalyst and the choice to accept a harsher one if that's what you want to do.

A..

Phtha

10-15-2009, 04:10 AM

Very true Anchor and no doubt I have swallowed both pills at one time or another in the past which has made me much more aware of what matters in life.

It's very easy to get caught in a negative doctrine that is as real as the illusion of fear itself.
Nature, Earth, plants, life, all of it, it's truth, they do not lie, ever. We are the ones who have created the lie, and the fear, and polarity.

We're getting there though, these thoughts we're not in the ether so abundantly even a generation ago. To me its proof we are almost free from deceit, not long now...:thumb_yello:

Connecting with Sauce

10-15-2009, 06:32 AM

David Icke doesnt promote fear...............he says its "a need to know" that he tells us what is going on....

...but I admire Icke a lot and never got the feeling he is getting payed from insiders. Actually Icke is one of my favorite researchers in the biz. I don't see his style as fear mongering, you can't fix a problem if you don't know what it is so like Jones he has his part to play.

I agree with you both on this... it seems fear based but sometimes people need a shock! The truth will set you free and love vibrations etc don't seem to have no solutions... I suppose it really depends on how open your own personaly chakra system is and whether you are still in fear yourself...

14 Chakras

10-15-2009, 09:37 PM

"t seems fear based but sometimes people need a shock! The truth will set you free and love vibrations etc don't seem to have no solutions...."

I agree. It is not fluffy love that will transform the world. It is the kinda of love that demands we shine the light on the darkness. The people must awaken to the reality of the situation we face, and have allowed to be created around us here on this planet.

What we currently believe is reality, is a complete pharce. There will be wake up calls. People must actually take a look at the darkness in order to get rid of it.

Want to pretend everything is just fine how it is, Obama is going to bring forth good solutions and we shouldn't admit there's any bad guys?

Well, that is exactly what the matrix wants, what the bad guys want.

The fact is we face a massive deception on this planet, and it will take people shining the light on it, true love, unconditional love, challenging the illusions in order to awaken people.

From my perspective, Icke doesn't have all the answers. But he is doing a great service to humanity by telling it like it is, and he is doing it from the place of love.

Unconditional love demands that things become more rather than remaining trapped in a state of ignorance and suffering and it is willing to challenge the darkness when it see it.