Avalon & Camelot Reptilian Experiencers revisited [Archive] - Page 2

eleni

10-23-2009, 09:11 PM

Yes, am only relaying info Preston told me way before I heard that on Red Ice and Veritas interview with Clif- I was surprised to hear that too because aside from the harnessing of sexual energy that went on at Montauk (and other places like SRI) I wanted to know what the female role is in all of this- that is what he told me (exact words- space war).
Then Kerry mentioned 2 upcoming planned space wars- reading the Supriem info gave more insight etc;

"According to Thule, when Nibiru comes closer to Earth, great turmoil will apparently occur with pole
shifts, earthquakes, floods and other natural disasters, and many people on the planet will die in the
process, and on top of that the Anunnaki and the Reptoids will fight against the Lemurians, unless the
latter have come to their senses, but Thule members say they still have great hope for those who
survive these rough times, as a new better world will grow from the "ashes" of the old one -- a world
without tyranny, like in the legend of the Phoenix. One Thule member said to me:
The Battle of Armageddon and the opening of the Stargate are necessary to end this cycle in
Earth’s history. It’s the Mayan Calendar coming to an end – a 432,000 years cycle ending
with the Last Battle. Then, the end becomes the beginning and history starts all over again
from the beginning. This means that life on this planet is a 432,000 years cycle that repeats
itself over and over. "

Yes, thank you- have read Karla Turner and Kay's info recently.

Edited to add:I am in no way buying into the Supriem tale other than Wes Penre's excellent research in connection with Thule etc;
It's been said elsewhere that the PTB want to fulfill biblical prophecy and indeed Surpriem may be a genetically tampered egomaniacal pawn unaware that even he too is being used......I find the pictures a joke - Elsa does not look like the modern woman in any way, Prescott looks like some Horror movie actor, Hathor looks nothing like the ancient one etc; etc; except Surpriems eyes look like Duncan O's (tampered DNA/robotic) and looks nothing like Ra...

Antonia

10-23-2009, 09:52 PM

it's interesting that the discusion has returned to DNA.. my reptilain guide has been talking about the DNA from the very beginning of her and my connection.
There are some born with the triple helix but others, through thier own light work and awakening are reforming it ... some have even evolved up to 4 strands... WE all ahve the so called junk DNA in our blood, so the capacity to reconnect all twelve strands should be there in most people no mater what blood lines.. She says that the different strands when re formed arn't always vissable to the naked eye/ telescope as they are mostley visable on their perticular coresponding dimension.
But there has been on going manipulations to try and prevent the reactivation of our disconnected strands by certain factions... and as we've heard David Wilcock, Henry Deacon, I think Pete Peterson and others say the swine flue vaccine is the last bid to hinder and sabatage out DNA restructuring...
Also she says's that as we activate our DNA, it reactivates our childrens DNA as they carry the same energy sigiture as our own.. which is good to know.

And Carol, I too meant no offence about Steven Greere, I think he has done treamendous work, and I'm happy with many reptilians so saying that I thought he looked like one was not an insult, I think the reptilian face is a beaufiful face... I just got a bad feeling from him when watching the Barcelona lecture... not evil bad but I sort of cringed at his mannerism I thought he came accross smarmy... but that's just me and like I said I wish no bad feelings towards him or negitive energy towards him.
I was sort of larking around with K2... but in hind sight it was a bit childish of me and I apoligise.... I guess he has his reasons to not divulge some info on the negitive ET's maybe if most people have a positive out look on ET's we will collectivly attract positive ETs to us and the planet... that could be his reason?? But he did say that there were no hostile ET's... which means gung ho lazers blasting comming at us fireng... He did however say no hostile Et's..but that Interdimentionals were a nother thing!

and we kind of know what he's taslking about there!

Jacqui D

10-23-2009, 10:20 PM

Thank you antonio for the info below that has clarified things for me.
I am glad our childrens DNA gets activated also that was something i was pondering on.
The swine flu issues well yes of course i have also heard it said that these inoculations hold nano technology and these are bio when entering the body they go to work and turn the person into a type of human/machine.

it's interesting that the discusion has returned to DNA.. my reptilain guide has been talking about the DNA from the very beginning of her and my connection.
There are some born with the triple helix but others, through thier own light work and awakening are reforming it ... some have even evolved up to 4 strands... WE all ahve the so called junk DNA in our blood, so the capacity to reconnect all twelve strands should be there in most people no mater what blood lines.. She says that the different strands when re formed arn't always vissable to the naked eye/ telescope as they are mostley visable on their perticular coresponding dimension.
But there has been on going manipulations to try and prevent the reactivation of our disconnected strands by certain factions... and as we've heard David Wilcock, Henry Deacon, I think Pete Peterson and others say the swine flue vaccine is the last bid to hinder and sabatage out DNA restructuring...
Also she says's that as we activate our DNA, it reactivates our childrens DNA as they carry the same energy sigiture as our own.. which is good to know.

BROOK

10-23-2009, 10:29 PM

But there has been on going manipulations to try and prevent the reactivation of our disconnected strands by certain factions... and as we've heard David Wilcock, Henry Deacon, I think Pete Peterson and others say the swine flue vaccine is the last bid to hinder and sabatage out DNA restructuring...
Also she says's that as we activate our DNA, it reactivates our childrens DNA as they carry the same energy sigiture as our own

I don't watch TV, however I did see a news program on the TV at work the other day while I was getting coffee...and they had a doctor telling the public, that it's okay for a pregnant woman to get the swine flu shot...how it would not effect the child..and I was shocked. When do you ever give a pregnant woman a vaccine?
I believe it is in fact just that...used to prevent reactivation. :shocked:

bushycat

10-23-2009, 10:36 PM

If I may intrude the current flow of this thread to address something that I would like to address respectfully and publicly.

Thank-you Mudra for your statements and your apology. It took a lot of heart to do that. That is what a true warrior is all about. I also respect that as that is earned. And to your friends who also got caught up in this, and were wounded emotionally, my deepest regrets go out to you as well. So with that I would like to present you all, mods included, and everyone else, here with a song. Hopefully, if my words here were not enough, then the words in this song may fill in the blanks for you. So sit back, get quiet, listen very carefully, and then you will know where I am, so we can go forward with the healing process of those who have been neglected for so long. It isn't about us as it is about them.

Respectfully,

Lionhawk

YouTube - HAPPY FEELIN'S - MAZE FT. FRANKIE BEVERLY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2x5sEGhHfk)

Well said and appropriate,
and brings new light to the forum.

Love Always,
Bushycat

Wormhole

10-23-2009, 10:59 PM

I got a strong message the other day that the coordinates on the planet create a geometry, that each geometric pattern is different depending on the race wishing to come in through the 12 star gates. That the patterns and the gate placements coordinate with data pertaining to dates and alignments. That 2012 was a time when all the patterns are open and ANYONE can come in, as then the gates resonate to all forms of genetic compatibility.

That we humans are the ONLY ones who can gate travel whenever we want to because we hold all twelve strands of compatible patterning in our DNA and that THIS is why we are so important and how we were designed. That we are an on going experiment to bring this compatibility to all forms of life who wish it through genetic harvesting. That this has not been through choice and that our lack of choice in this matter has caused quite a stir, as we are graduating to another level... we are no longer to be considered cattle and can no longer be treated as such. It is soon going to be up to us if we want to share this treasure. That many are fighting against this, and many are fighting for it...

I do not know if this is true. I just got this as a message and there it is. Peace of Mind, Strength of Heart,

Wormhole

eleni

10-23-2009, 11:02 PM

great message wormhole- i want that too and peace for us who want to live in love, harmony, peace......

Ammit

10-23-2009, 11:31 PM

Oohh I have gotta come in on this one, This is ringing my bells.

I got a strong message the other day that the coordinates on the planet create a geometry, that each geometric pattern is different depending on the race wishing to come in through the 12 star gates. That the patterns and the gate placements coordinate with data pertaining to dates and alignments. That 2012 was a time when all the patterns are open and ANYONE can come in, as then the gates resonate to all forms of genetic compatibility.

So, If this is correct information from where ever, would this mean that if we aligned these patterns so that one of the geometrics lined up with a known stargate, would it show the position of the others?

That we humans are the ONLY ones who can gate travel whenever we want to because we hold all twelve strands of compatible patterning in our DNA and that THIS is why we are so important and how we were designed. That we are an on going experiment to bring this compatibility to all forms of life who wish it through genetic harvesting. That this has not been through choice and that our lack of choice in this matter has caused quite a stir, as we are graduating to another level... we are no longer to be considered cattle and can no longer be treated as such. It is soon going to be up to us if we want to share this treasure. That many are fighting against this, and many are fighting for it...

Could this be one of the reasons for abductions?. I mean if we have extra dna strands and are the only ones able to stargate then surely if another race was able to utilise this extra strand for them selves then surely they too would in time beable to stargate anywhere too?

I do not know if this is true. I just got this as a message and there it is. Peace of Mind, Strength of Heart,

Wormhole

eleni

10-24-2009, 02:59 AM

Yeah..I've been wondering all along why they send *us* to do their dirty work- I always thought it was because of specific bloodlines/some engineered to do this work etc; but I am really curious- I've just felt we were the guinea pigs.....

akopij

10-24-2009, 03:32 AM

Eleni I appreciate a lot the material you bring on the annunaki history. I would like to ask you if you have an idea of what was happening to the religions of the hearth during an era I'm studying right now, that is around the year zero of the christian era. I don't mean Christ in particular, but also the transformation in beliefs that occured in every other religion I aware of from that time, and that is not much in fact, only comprising the mediteranean to the hindus and a bit beyond. If I m right, it correspond astrologically to the beginning of the cycle of the fish. What I see in general terms is a transition from paganism with sacrificial rites and tradition based ethics to a monotheistic devotion with ethics based on the matter/spirit duality. This general change occured on a large timeframe around that period and had a huge impact on the rest of the world. Aliens were of course very busy at that time. I heard some gnostic texts where talking about greys as archonts. This is all actually chaneled data.

http://www.karmapolis.be/pipeline/interview_lash.htm

Also archonts in the divine hierarchy in Jamblichus, "On the Mysteries"

http://www.sacred-texts.com/gno/th3/th343.htm

I study greek pagan texts of that time, I just can't finish the academic work because I stumble all the time on some alien related text that lead me somwhere else...

sure you'll like this one :

[Antonius Diogenes, The incredible wonders beyond Thule]

http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/photius_copyright/photius_04bibliotheca.htm

also on a more reptoid topic, the name Erichtonios, half man half serpent, said to be born of the earth and to be the founder of Athen, And a goddess I don't have a name for who's also half sepent and the fonder of the Angkor.

cheery thougths to all

something for the bible heads, careful it's a headbanger:
YouTube - Current Value - Faith

something chilly to swallow the red pill:

YouTube - Ikonika - Simulacrum

Kinsuemei2

10-24-2009, 03:33 AM

I believe we do this because they trust us, they can not trust our leaders, most of the contacters are not hierarchy either and do not trust their hierarchy,if there is any truth the lore that surrounds our history, these thieves have quarreled amongst themselves for thousands of years no reason to think they would stop now. look at Enil and Enki I also believe they do choose those with a predisposition for this work, be it bloodline maybe, my friend D'von also is a contactee and he thinks im 110 percent reptilian, he is cheeky like that lol.

However I have had waking dreams and nightmares regarding that even to this day. But what they mean my guides said I need to govern my own soul, they wont hand my answers to me on a plate, they make me work for it, and I like to think it keeps me humble.

Wormhole

10-24-2009, 04:05 AM

Ammit, eleni,

Yes, if we aligned the geometric pattern of one race to a stargate, it would indeed show us the positions of the others. At differing times, other races also align and are able to travel here. Humans can travel ANYTIME, as we have been bred to do so in at least twelve geometric patterns. In terms of our value, this makes us VERY VALUABLE. All you need do is activate the desired strand and presto, you've got yourself passage.

We as humans do this all the time by incarnating throughout time itself on this planet and some of us remember our incarnations on other planets as well. Yes, our vibration matches the encounter we are having. We are bred for that. We can switch between races. We are the ONLY ONES THAT CAN. DNA is used, in a timely manner (when patterns match up to stargates), yet these things happen in a timeless way as our souls carry the imprint and the pattern needed to travel inter-dimensionally. Thus past, present, and future are congruent. So you will remember a past life on another planet as well as many on this one. We can't help it. We are hard wired.

Peace of Mind, Strength of Heart,
Wormhole

ps. My understanding was that we are not the only ones who can stargate, just that we are the only ones who can stargate WHENEVER we want too. Everybody else has to wait until their specific pattern and resonance can move through the gates. We can move in accordance to twelve patterns. As to gates, they are in many places but only twelve on this planet. As to races using them, many. As to how many races we can transport, I think twelve, thirteen if you count us humans. Perhaps we can allow everyone to move freely. Hmm. What a responsibility.

My thinking is that it is not about "anywhere" but more about "anytime" that we can move through dimensions and stargates.

Pss, I've got a lot of my own interpretation in this last post. Please add your thoughts!:original:

akopij

10-24-2009, 11:16 AM

very good post Wormhole. If we are the one who are in charge of the stargates, it's because we live in this particular space time continuum, so it's e not something "eternal". it's likely we are not the only ones who can travel between dimensions through past life regression, but our relative postion to other ethnic groups give us a catalythic role for manifestation of the diffenrences and clusterings of creation. As the earth goes into death and rebirth, she sees all her life passing in front of her like a movie.

eleni

10-24-2009, 05:38 PM

Akopij- I'm not an Annunaki or any other expert by any means- I read Sitchin's work 20 years ago and keep researching and will have a look at those links- thank you for sharing those.
I can read Aramaic though LOL......

eleni

10-24-2009, 05:43 PM

akopij

10-24-2009, 05:55 PM

i saw your annunaki history post Eleni, well I didn't say you were an annunaki, but now that you mention it ... lol. I still have to read Sitchin, Temple and so many others.
a nice book on magic, astral travels, elementary entities etc. :

http://www.scribd.com/doc/301820/Initiation-into-Hermetics-by-Franz-Bardon

If you don't jnow Franz Bardon he was hungarian (if my memory's not rubish), died in the hand of the soviets in the 50's or 60's. He was fighting the satanits

I just learn so much down here.

eleni

10-24-2009, 06:08 PM

LOL- I meant not an Annunaki expert- not me personally being Annunaki- I know you didn't mean I was......

Thank you for that link- not familiar with him.....

Wormhole

10-24-2009, 08:49 PM

My understanding is that we bring our stargates with us. That we hold the geometric pattern in our DNA, our own Merkaba. (So I guess that could mean every where as well as any time) That it is not that the aliens are coming for us and abducting us... It's the other way around, we are letting them in! They are using our own geometry to get around. And like good dogs we obey. At least we have been because we have been asleep.

Astral projection is just traveling by yourself in your own merkaba.

I think we are being asked to stand up and say that we are a separate race unto ourselves and deserve the rights that all autonomous beings deserve, the right to chose our own destiny. The right to say yes or no to helping these races. The right to create our own terms.

Peace of Mind, Strength of Heart,
Wormhole

I do not know about the difference if you did not have the hyperdimensional DNA components, I do not have any experience with this. I would imagine it would be very jarring.

Lionhawk

10-25-2009, 05:34 AM

Now does anyone want to know how the 19.47 factors in with this thread? Sorry, I put all my silver platters away. But Wormhole, I hope you know what you have to do to find out. As far as briefing you up to speed, you know what you have to do, and if you need some help toward that end, email me. We have much to discuss. :wink2:

Think Ammit. Think. I know you can figure this out if anyone can. I just wouldn't go look for it under the carpet. There is a prize waiting for you if you do. (Get your Skype up and running.) :)

Carol

10-25-2009, 03:52 PM

Wormhole- can you explain the difference between travel via astral projection and a personal stargate (Merkabah)?

This is what I understand- don't ask how I know this- just a hunch- *normal* people(Andy B for example) who travel via stargates/jumprooms are given drugs to counter the effects from such travel.

Then there are people who were genetically manipulated (using hyperdimensional DNA as components- Elven for example) who don't need to use the drugs before or after travel as it effects them much less even though they still have human DNA.

I believe the drugs Andy was given was to counter the radiation that would affect his bones and teeth.. which is something he mentioned in one of his recent interviews/chats.

Jumproom travel involves the physical body.. whereas astral travel involves the astral body... and then there is traveling with conscious intention with the inter-dimensional body that can go anywhere, anytime if it has a nexus (energetic frequency reference point) in the multiverse. Individuals who have trained as mystics/masters do this all the time. This is also why so many people are attracted to certain spiritually evolved individuals because they have already learned how to access the higher spiritual dimensions and their beingness attracts those who wish to progress spiritually to the higher frequency vibration. For example, if one were to focus on Christ.. from the heart chakra and use the third eye for a focus point.. one can eventually access a direct experience of Christ Consciousness which is pure compassion. Take it the next step where the mystics describe this as the dew drop that slips into the shinning sea and we have a soul that has transcended duality and had a direct experience of god consciousness... the awareness of being both the drop of water and being oceanic consciousness connected with all that exists which is not matter but pure light and potential. This is the birthright of a soul in a human body.

My experience with the grays/reptilian is that they don't have that type of energy frequency access and that is why they are involved in a hybridization program. They may be advanced mentally and technology wise but they are not at the potential spiritual frequency level that humans are born with. I think this is due to the reality of humans not being in the collective and having to experience the sense of being cut off, alone and independent. It is my speculation that this unique characteristic, which is human, is the underlying driving force to experience god consciousness... at the oceanic cosmic consciousness level. Humans are drivin. Greys are told what to do. Being free means great risks, great responsibility, great challenges and great rewards.

From what I have observed with the greys and hybrids is an obsession with the reproduction process and sexuality. The mystics bypass sexual involvement utilizing the sexaul energy, drawing it up through the spine to unite with god at the crown chakra - the thousand petal lotus. Only there is much more... what they are doing is accessing the higher spiritual realms and learning from those advance beings who dwell there. Celibacy is for a reason. It allows this spiritual energy to build internally and is the rocket fuel for further spiritual advancement. It is with intention (focus on masters who have already achieved enlightenment) and disipline through a spiritual practice one is able to achive spiritual advancement whereupon they can eventually get off the wheel of karma. Sex binds one at a karmic level and also opens up unresolved karmic doors to be explored... and is also a distraction for the individual who seeks liberation from karma and the cycle of death and rebirth as it can keep one bound and addicted to the physical experience and physical existance.

I've had these experiences and have experienced my conscousness in various dimensions. My physical, astral and mental bodies were left behind during these various experiences. Pure conscious awareness can pop into any nexus point because it is also the experience of zero point quantom field. Think about it. Our DNA is wrapped around light. It is light which binds the multiverse together. When one has experienced consciousness as light (without all physical limitation and manifestations) ones conscious awareness can be anywhere, at anytime in anyplace. This is what true freedom and liberation is. It can only be achieved as an independent force seeking to reunited with its origin. The dew drop falls from the sky to the earth.. enters into many earth experiences and is reabsorded at multiple levels (absorbed by the earth, plants, aminals.. perhaps it is carried by a stream or a river where it may eventually enter into the ocean, or it evaporates and is lifted back into the sky...) the clouds carry it to the ocean whereupon it slips back into the sea to know itself as both the drop of conscious awareness and the sea. Duality is collapsed as there is a sense of at-one-ness with all that exists as light.

Antonia

10-25-2009, 03:55 PM

This section "The retturn of Enki..... kids become stars" although very techical ....(I still ddon't get it entirely even though I read a good few times)

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_danwinter07.htm

from Below....condensed Dan Winter.. explains how we stargate travel with our own DNA....

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_winter.htm#menu

can any more techi minded person put it in to simple word for me???

Carol

10-25-2009, 04:18 PM

Wormhole- can you explain the difference between travel via astral projection and a personal stargate (Merkabah)?

This is what I understand- don't ask how I know this- just a hunch- *normal* people(Andy B for example) who travel via stargates/jumprooms are given drugs to counter the effects from such travel.

Then there are people who were genetically manipulated (using hyperdimensional DNA as components- Elven for example) who don't need to use the drugs before or after travel as it effects them much less even though they still have human DNA.

I believe the drugs Andy was given was to counter the radiation that would affect his bones and teeth.. which is something he mentioned in one of his recent interviews/chats.

Jumproom travel involves the physical body.. whereas astral travel involves the astral body... and then there is traveling with conscious intention with the inter-dimensional body that can go anywhere, anytime if it has a nexus (energetic frequency point) in the multiverse. Individuals who have trained as mystics/masters do this all the time. This is also why so many people are attracted to certain spiritually evolved individuals because they have already learned how to access the higher spiritual dimensions and their beingness attracts those who wish to progress spiritually to the higher frequency vibration. For example, if one were to focus on Christ.. from the heart chakra and use the third eye for a focus point.. one can eventually access a direct experience of Christ Consciousness which is pure compassion. Take it the next step where the mystics describe this as the dew drop that slips into the shinning sea and we have a soul that has transcended duality and had a direct experience of god consciousness... the awareness of being both the drop of water and being oceanic consciousness connected with all that exists which is not matter but pure light and potential. This is the birthright of a soul in a human body.

My experience with the grays/reptilian is that they don't have that type of energy frequency access and that is why they are involved in a hybridization program. They may be advanced mentally and technology wise but they are not at the potential spiritual frequency level that humans are born with. I think this is due to the reality of humans not being in the collective and having to experience the sense of being cut off, alone and independent. It is my speculation that this unique characteristic, which is human, is the underlying driving force to experience god consciousness... at the oceanic cosmic consciousness level. Humans are drivin. Greys are told what to do. Being human with free will means great risks, great responsibility, great challenges and great rewards.

From what I have observed with the greys and hybrids is an obsession with the reproduction process and sexuality. The mystics bypass sexual involvement utilizing the sexaul energy, drawing it up through the spine to unite with god consciousness at the crown chakra - the thousand petal lotus. Only there is much more... what they are doing is accessing the higher spiritual realms and learning from those advance beings who dwell there. Celibacy is for a reason. It allows this spiritual energy to build internally and is the rocket fuel for further spiritual advancement. It is with conscious intention (focus on masters who have already achieved enlightenment) and disipline through a spiritual practice one is able to achive spiritual advancement, whereupon, they can eventually get off the wheel of karma. Sex binds one at a karmic level and also opens up unresolved karmic doors to be explored... and is also a distraction for the individual who seeks liberation from karma and the cycle of death and rebirth as it can keep one bound and addicted to the physical experience and physical existance.

Ammit

10-25-2009, 05:20 PM

Now does anyone want to now how the 19.47 factors in with this thread? Sorry, I put all my silver platters away. But Wormhole, I hope you know what you have to do to find out. As far as briefing you up to speed, you know what you have to do, and if you need some help toward that end, email me. We have much to discuss. :wink2:

I am lost now Lionhawk...

1) I can get that 19.47 is the log and lat of the roswel crash which happened in 1947.

also

2) 19.47 could be the average weight of the soul.

also

3) 19.47 degrees is the angle that ufo`s use the sun as a stargate.

Besides ripping up my carpet and looking under there for clues, Im about out of ideas.

Ammit

Ammit

10-25-2009, 05:36 PM

It seems to be everywhere in numerology, is it because its a universal number?

eleni

10-25-2009, 07:04 PM

Yes Carol- I know the difference between intentional astral travel and jumprrom but am confused as to the statement that we are the only one's who can do this. I believe most species are capable of interdimensional travel using their own bodies- it's not just us (obviously question not directed at you).

On an interesting note- when I am hooked up to the mind mirror- all I have to do is think of a specific person and their vibratory level- unconditional love(my nanny or a yogi I am in contact with on an ethereal plane) and my mind pattern becomes *round/whole/all gaps filled* as shown on the mind mirror. It was that easy (raising core vibratory level and experiencing that) that is where I would like to reside fully.

I've also had those experiences where I was one with all (I once told my zen teacher that I experienced it as everything and yet nothing and he understood completely) a zone of no time/space no duality yet at the same time I understood what is called evil/murder etc; in that space I did not see it as evil if that makes any sense. Hard to comprehend unless one has experienced it.
I've been a student of Advaita the past 5 years.....

Wormhole

10-26-2009, 04:51 AM

Eleni,
I agree that we are not the only ones who can, but we are the only ones who can in twelve distinct ways. Our genetic patterning is the most complex of all and includes many races. We may travel through time, space, dimensions and more. We can also be used by other races to travel, for our construct allows us pilot craft as well as astrally move.

I hope that helps.
Peace of Mind, Strength of Heart,
Wormhole

eleni

10-26-2009, 05:38 AM

Yes, now I understand what you were speaking of. Thank you for clarification.

Carol

10-26-2009, 06:08 AM

I suspect many beings are capable of interdimensinal travel and agree with much of what you wrote. I guess I'm a bit confused now myself.

Yes Carol- I know the difference between intentional astral travel and jumprrom but am confused as to the statement that we are the only one's who can do this. I believe most species are capable of interdimensional travel using their own bodies- it's not just us (obviously question not directed at you).

On an interesting note- when I am hooked up to the mind mirror- all I have to do is think of a specific person and their vibratory level- unconditional love(my nanny or a yogi I am in contact with on an ethereal plane) and my mind pattern becomes *round/whole/all gaps filled* as shown on the mind mirror. It was that easy (raising core vibratory level and experiencing that) that is where I would like to reside fully.

I've also had those experiences where I was one with all (I once told my zen teacher that I experienced it as everything and yet nothing and he understood completely) a zone of no time/space no duality yet at the same time I understood what is called evil/murder etc; in that space I did not see it as evil if that makes any sense. Hard to comprehend unless one has experienced it.
I've been a student of Advaita the past 5 years.....

Ammit

10-26-2009, 10:44 PM

....... Resonance........?

Ammit

10-26-2009, 10:50 PM

Resonance and dna (genomic position).
Are dna resonates at a frequency equal to leylines = 19.47

eleni

10-26-2009, 10:51 PM

Isn't that what Anna Hayes says? DNA resonance at ley lines and they have been blocked so our *junk DNA* has not been activated?

Ammit

10-26-2009, 11:00 PM

What, you knew that, jees i have been researching this shi, thanks Eleni i will check her out.

:original:

eleni

10-26-2009, 11:02 PM

Not specifically19.4-19.5 but I do remember her saying that- a friend of mine gave me her 2 books years ago and I just couldn't get into reading them so I skimmed them but maybe I should have another look.

Carol

10-26-2009, 11:20 PM

Here are some interesting links.

http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/re-abs-not-milabs

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/thethread/thethread12.htm

"It is not unusual for abductee parents to say that their children have been "altered." Children sometimes say that even though they were born from their mother's womb, they "know" they do not belong in their family. Some abductees can point to so many significant differences between them and their siblings, parents, and other relatives that one can easily see how they would question their genetic link."

Ammit

10-26-2009, 11:28 PM

Carol

I am sorry for your friend honey, its wrong and should not have happened.

Ammit

mntruthseeker

10-26-2009, 11:38 PM

Because there is a lot going on with this thread behind the scenes as well and I wanted to share my view with everyone, not just a few of the other members. Each thread is a process. I was in the middle of thinking about the topic and gone when it had been closed. However, just because the thread was closed doesn't mean that my mind is closed or that the topic isn't worth diving into more in-depth. I've thought about the whole reptilian agenda for years. Due to a personal experience I'm at a different place with how I view it now then when I first heard about the reptilians through David Icke and through personal contacts with abductees. I can easily see where the reptilians can appear demonic and representative of the devil just by appearance alone. So the unanswered questions still need exploration.

My initial response toward the reptilians was revulsion. I associated them with the fallen angels and saw them as satanic. This race of aliens, based on what Credo Mutwa reported, are clearly involved with satanic ritualistic abuse of humans and children. At that time in my mind all reptilians were evil. However, I have come a long way in my research and discussions with abductees/contactees. I now know there are divisions within the reptilians and the human hybrids are a big reason for this. I also am aware that not all reptilians are bad in the same manner as not all humans are bad. The reality is that it is far easier for the mind to paint a picture of black and white rather then to step back and explore the deeper realities associated with this particular group of aliens.

My heart cries out to those innocents who are victims of abuse. Whether at human hands or alien hands. The deeper truth of the matter has to do with the intent of the individual. For example we call Hitler evil... yet what happened with WWII is that the evil within humans as individuals was unleashed. If the evil were not there to begin with, those under Hitler's command would have walked away. My husband's father and grandfather were among those who did not have evil in them and who did walk away from Nazi control during the war. They refused to join the SS or participate in evil.

So the issue that begs to be looked at is our own unfinished internal spiritual process. Do we allow evil (which to me is that which is alienated from god) to take root within our being and act upon it, or do we instead say "no." An image that stands clear in my mind is from Lord of the Rings of Gandalf standing on the precipice facing Balrog pounding his staff onto the bridge beneath his feet and shouting, "You shall not pass!" Being a therapist and having worked with many, many people I've seen this scenario played out in day-to-day life repeatedly. The issue is complex and yet simple. What is it that we say "no" to and what is it that we affirm. It is about choices and our attitude when we meet adversity. It is our attitude that we have control over. We may not have control over the events that manifest outside our lives but we do have a choice on how we meet them.

Carol, I read this over and over and unable to find the answer I am looking for. You ask, do we allow evil to take root within our being and act upon it, or do we instead say "no" ?

This makes no sense to me if one is abducted.......how do you say NO ? What are our choices there ? None as I see it

So my question to you is this. What happens if we know someone and have for many years and you love this person as they are beautiful in every sense of the word.......Spiritual, loving but an ET (my guess reptilian).

I am told this person is here to help us during this time. That many are here and more are on their way. I am told that many have been here since 1947 wanting to step in and help us but unable to per their "agreement". No aid given but questions answered with inspirational guidance This is no longer a secret to any of us, or it shouldn't be.

I felt repulsive when I discovered this but only because of what I have heard by David Icke and Credo Mutwa. I did not sell my soul to this person. I have not been an evil person during my time on earth and I have no intention of starting now. I may have been rude but its something I'm working on. I am working to improve myself and with the help of this ET friend of mine.

I have come to the conclusion........................they are not all evil and I refuse to accept that.

Would an evil ET teach one how to love and be loving to others ?

eleni

10-26-2009, 11:48 PM

My understanding is that there are rogue factions of reptoids and some are reformed. I mean we can all evolve spiritually so why not portions of reptoids as well?

mntruthseeker

10-27-2009, 12:25 AM

Well thats not even the story I'm getting. I am being told that when things got turned around here on earth with the treaty and all. There were many on other planets that didnt agree at all. In fact they were described to me as being evil ! TPTB had alot to do with that themself.

I heard sanni's story and it brought tears to my eyes. I have heard others and its not easy for any of the ET's that were here or came to help us out. This is a big deal as it doesnt just effect our planet, it effects them all. Sanni claims to be grey - greys are same species as reptilians, right ?

There are so many ET's here on our planet just as Dolores Cannon says. They are not here to harm us and if that was the case, then I guess I find it hard to believe that it hasn't happened already. The treaty is up in May 2012. We might as well drop everything right now.

No, I have searched and searched and there is nothing set in stone that they are all evil. I am not even sure these people are reptilian. I'm guessing because they said they were not from here. But they are associated with the praying mantis and small greys. they are from a different planet. I seen pictures. they all look like the eskimo or native american race.

Right ? If we are to believe that they are all evil, then we are all in trouble and I refuse to believe that.

I maybe jumped on my intuition of them being reptilian because I haven't got the guts to come right out and ask.

soon, I might have to .....now that the door has been opened to me

Angel in Disguise

10-27-2009, 12:34 AM

Perhaps totally off topic and questioned before... However... How does one know if one is reptilian? Could I be or you be and not know it?

mntruthseeker

10-27-2009, 12:57 AM

Exactly You know we all probally are of the reptilian family

I think about that alot. Who really knows ?

The whole idea was to keep us in fear. Last night they had a special on Dan Browns new book on TV. They said that many men took and tore many pages out of the bible (no surprise here) and when asked why to George Washington. His answer was, so we would have all the "ideas" safe and lead the world that way oh yeah right !

BS BS BS if I ever smelled it. Of course I wouldn't expect any other answer coming from Disney Channel who aired this two hour special. Who else would be honest in their findings? This lady even made it sound like a huge joke that many in the world thought the reptilian race ran this world.

We really dont have the answer.

Many of us looked within Religion and what a fiasco that turned out to be

Lionhawk

10-27-2009, 01:21 AM

Warmer!

mntruthseeker

10-27-2009, 02:03 AM

Well I am probally going to be sorry I did this but I had to

I just sent an email to one of these people and just came right out and asked if she honored the same God as I did and it wasn't lucifer

Oh I feel quite nervous but I seen no way around this.

I hope she understands as I can't go along with all of these people not knowing. I want no part of Luciferian worship in my life

Carol

10-27-2009, 02:18 AM

My understanding is that there are rogue factions of reptoids and some are reformed. I mean we can all evolve spiritually so why not portions of reptoids as well?

I agree with eleni. When I was talking with one friend who had 6 hybrid reptoid children we discussed that all of us are on a spiritual journey of evolution and each is at a different rung of the ladder so-to-speak.

Many of the abductees who now have hybrid children love their children as it should be. A blended race of beings are evolving so perhaps we should be supportive of this blended race?

However, what I'm not supportive of are those who kidnap, rape and exploit the innocent whether human or alien. There is a distinct difference here.

The other thought that occurred to me triggered sy someone who was repeatedly abducted by the greys said they told her they were a dying race... so, after all this time we now know they are using humans to keep evolving. I don't go along with this but do understand the survival instinct and to what lengths the greys will go to survive. Remember the movie Mimzy? One would almost think that it's a disinfo psyop as is Wrinkle in Time. Parts of the information revealed are real and parts are made up. The people of the future are seeking a DNA sample from a pure child located in the past. When the sample has been collected it is sent back to the future and used to modified and correct the DNA problems of those from the future. Then there is one scene when the humans are talking off the protective suits (that look exactly like a grey) and walk out into the sun. The children levitate and are telepathic.. the world is a lovely peaceful place now that these changes were made. Is this the future with the new hybrid race. We already know that when they look like us they can blend in.

I honestly don't think the greys are interested in helping humans out as much as they are interested in helping themselves out. The greys are just one alien group that impacts the entire planet. Think about it for a moment. The tall whites are here as are many other alien species and I've not heard of any reports of them wanting to blend their DNA with humans.

So it stands to reason that there still are many unanswered questions and issues to yet be asked and examined when it comes to the greys' hybridization project.

Most of the hybrids I know are enhanced. They have additional abilities, healing abilities, intellectual abilities, creative abilities... some are aware of their heritage and many are dealing with PTS as trauma kept at the unconscious level does create emotional challenges.

Do we allow evil to take root..?

Some hybrids who work with the greys are not so nice. Where did that negativity come from? Their human side or alien side? Both sides? Who knows? However, we know that evil exists and that each of us has an opportunity to say no to the evil we may harbor within our own beingness.

I just think many hybrids will likely experience a time of conflicted feelings and a lot of confusion. Sorting out the complex emotional issues in these types of situations can indeed provide quite a challenge.

BROOK

10-27-2009, 02:32 AM

I just think many hybrids will likely experience a time of conflicted feelings and a lot of confusion. Sorting out the complex emotional issues in these types of situations can indeed provide quite a challenge

Carol,
I agree very much with this....very complex situation..and inevetably a major challenge for them.

mntruthseeker

10-27-2009, 02:34 AM

I find this very interesting but I would like to add what sanni had said in the interview she gave. She made the remark that she was coming from the future to help us when her craft crashed So as a punishment she had to stay here and she talked about how unhappy she was

(one of my friends says the very same thing, about being unhappy and not fitting in)

Sanni also said that they had no choice but to help the ones that were already here because their race was also threathened. ???

My friend said something along the same line.

She says they have been coming back to help us evolve since 1947 but were unable to say anything to help in any way. She has been threatened death many times. She has been attack and her work stopped.

I said before it isn't just our planet that will suffer. They just tried to bomb the moon..................we know there are many wars going on in our skies

TheObserver

10-27-2009, 02:57 AM

A Wrinkle In Time, i enjoyed that book as a child, knew it was fiction so didn't go about believing it, just thought it was cool, the only thing i remember of it these decades later is the word tesseract.

mntruthseeker

10-27-2009, 03:24 AM

I want to share this blog of one of my friends that I was talking about. I asked her which God she honored and not I am ashame.

I told myself that I need not be as my love for my Creator and Jesus is strong and for them I had to be certain and not afraid to ask

Here is her reply

OFFERINGS.NLIGHTPRESS.COM published a new entry entitled "The Question Then Becomes........" on 10/26/2009 8:05:52 PM, written by Offerings.

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The Question Then Becomes........
Being driven by what I can only call "my mission," I speak when I feel asked by God to speak, I act when I feel asked by God to act ... and then deal with whatever consequences arise. More often that not, I don't foresee what will follow my actions or my words. I suppose because I don't look for the downside. I choose instead to simply take whatever action seems to be called for in the moment. I assume that I would not be asked to walk the path I walk without God's help. And so somewhere in the midst of everything, God is my reason .. God is THE reason.

And so the question then becomes ... if I remember coming to this planet, where is it I came from? Am I that different from everyone else? Can I expect to be seen as a monster or a threat or perhaps a spy .. or worse?

The truth is, I am no different than anyone else, as far as I know. When I "died" and went on my journey with The Presence of God, I was shown all of God's existence. I was shown the process of souls being born, if we can use that term. I was shown the unity of all who live within existence, and the sadness that lives in the belief of separation. But the belief in separation and differences is a necessary tool for learning and so the sadness must be endured ... and possibly .. some day .. understood.

My origins are no different than any other person or being. I am a child of God, as all entities are. In the higher dimensions, which is where I came from (where every person actually came from), I know every person and "alien being" as a brother or a sister. As one with me, with God, with all things.

Some might struggle to understand how God and "aliens" can blend into one belief system or one Knowing. The only knowledge that I can offer is my own, which is that all things within this existence are things of God. How a soul chooses to live, to learn, to interact within existence, is a matter of what that soul wants to learn. The process of understanding all of existence is the goal. And often that process appears quite the opposite of what we believe God to be.

I don't have all of the answers. I only have the memories. The memory of coming from The Source of God, the higher dimensions.. The memories of all that has been shown to me throughout the years. My source of information is God. Always .. always .. from higher dimensional realities, where emotions, judgments, and tainted beliefs are not there to influence the truths.

I devote my work, my days, to sharing the truths and the love that I know is every person's right. I believe my work speaks of who I am. If it resonates as truth to those who read it, if it feels like the original intention of love, then I'm blessed to share it. If it does not, then I can only offer what was given to me by The Presence of God .... "The truths of existence are revealed in layers. When one layer is accepted and fully understood, the next layer is revealed. Therefore, there will be times when it seems truth changes. Truth does not change. People change."

Blessings and Peace to all,
Lauren

Angel in Disguise

10-27-2009, 03:43 AM

Wow MN... Her words are pretty much my existence as well... I resonated with them like no other. She explained it very well... Thank you for sharing that :wink2:

mntruthseeker

10-27-2009, 03:46 AM

angel

I know I am truly blessed to have such a friend I did get my answers from her and I was wrong, very wrong on
who I thought she says she is not a grey nor do they come around her. She deals with those in the 8th dimension

I am fortunate to have such a wonderful friend and now I know I only need to ask for her help

We have alot of help on their way here to help us and I feel lighter after getting these thoughts out of my head

she says there are 3000 crafts/ships on their way now

Kinsuemei2

10-27-2009, 04:47 AM

Cheer up, you can live your entire life and know somebody yet their minds are still complete strangers to us.
three Grays, well I have two Grays, I would not trade those two for any other, they are practically family.

But few people can you trust, I have no need for religion, I am a immortal soul, I can connect and feel my source, these constructs that have furthered the enslavement of the human race are my idea of blasphemy, how many have died because of religion, and instead of fighting 'them' we have spent the best part of forever fighting, killing and maiming each other in the name of our gods.

They won the first round, make no mistake, they divided, and conquered us
they put a sword in any thugs hand and told us to kill each other in the name of god, and we did.

Now religion is a excuse.
and the sinner ****.. if we were sinners god would have not given us free thought. do you think the Grays believe in the bible or Jesus, no, nor do the Reptilians, nor do the Andromedans, the Dow, the Atkins/Moth-men, none of those species are religious why? because they KNOW THEIR HISTORY, its not constructed BS like ours is, created to control and enslave us, but yet most still dance to the pipers tune.

In every contact I have had they never once mention him, they mention the Illuminati's dream of growing a Jesus construct, by DNA encoding and black magic, buy using a reptilian DNA, and technology,
But they do not want Jesus, do they they want the alternative.
they want a man that can woo the masses with his beautiful words that will lead them into their next dimension.

You do not need an Icon or a franchised frontman to love and worship the creator of all things that energy field of thought that envelops us, it knows us, our soul resides within it until be come into being.

Dont cry, if your friend is your friend she will understand.
even Miriam Delicado said people are not themselves these days, and you don't know who is batting for what team.

I am still very angry that somebody tried to kill that beautiful woman, and she would be ****** off with me if she heard me say that, i have talked with Miriam a number of times, she is very cool
anyways Mntruthseeker chill out, everything will be fine in the morning. :wink2:

Angel in Disguise

10-27-2009, 05:35 AM

Kinsuemei2... I haven't seen you post before but I appreciate your words and welcome :thumb_yello:

BROOK

10-27-2009, 05:52 AM

mntruthseeker

10-27-2009, 06:03 AM

Kinsuemei2

I have been contacted twice from her with an answer to my "question". She knows what I am going through and is there for me. She has been a part of my life for over 10 years and I should of known better.

She is not associated with greys as I assumed. She explained to me that my questions and all that is happening is due to my growing.

I fully explained my question and she said she understood. I leaned a very valuable lesson tonight and thank God she is who she is.

Thank you and hang in there yourself as from what I am getting from a great person to have on the "inside" of a very high dimension..............God is our greatest allied in this battle.

We are worth saving and TPTB better find a good place to hide

Lionhawk

10-28-2009, 04:53 PM

All of you should do some shielding at this time. As soon as you can, if you haven't done so already. I am getting many reports as of this week that what is being exposed here is presenting problems for those leading the way. This is not a fear based message, but it has come to my attention that there are things in the works and the ones who are hot on the trail as to revealing the truth are being targeted from many different angles. This is an awareness bulletin. Shield your house, your family, your car, etc. Share this with your friends who are in alignment with you. We are working on it as I write this so be patient as things will be revealed in due time.

http://www.psychicinsights.org/whitelight.html

Enjoy the Sun!

eleni

10-28-2009, 05:12 PM

Lionhawk- can you explain more as I'm getting the same feeling.......but it's just a feeling......

akopij

10-28-2009, 05:25 PM

thanks lionhawk, this advice is precious
Do you have tips on how to shield ? I have ways to do that but issues with putting it into words

Jacqui D

10-28-2009, 07:22 PM

Thank you lionhawk for that important piece of information.
Some do not know how to protect themselves or close off after a meditation state,or healing, another way these negatives get in.
My own choice is the golden light the most protective colour of all the divine light once again focus yourself inside a sphere place the golden light all around.
Put yourself and your home in that sphere at night also while you sleep.

For children,
Visualise a golden thread, see how it shines bright take that thread from the head of the childs bed down to the end of the bed and all the way under then back up again to the head oft he bed spin a few times round then take that thread and take it across the bed until you have made a cacoon all around the child. This is a very strong bind of protection but always remember to go all the way and under the bed so the thread is not broken.
An adult may use this protection also, i have used this.

The most powerful of all light is the blue flame.

For protection against people attack,imagine a mirror placed out in front of you this will deflect any negative force/energy/ bad intent sent out.Hope that helps.
This has come up before on sites it has been mentioned that the lords prayer is a defender and calling on jesus christ helps.
Myself i have done this in the past but it did not help me i have to say, i have given exorcism prayers in the past also this does not stop alien attacks, although some will say it does.
I do not wish to scare but just pointing out perhaps they work for some but not all.

Lionhawk

10-28-2009, 07:40 PM

Thank-you Jacqui D. What I realize is that many who are involved with this stuff, don't know. They don't know how one can become endangered through their innocence. Part of being responsible for one's self. What I posted above is just some basic stuff so that anyone can acquire some degree of protection on a basic 101 level. As with anything it is what also works with your inner matrix. But this will get you started. Something is better than nothing is how I am approaching this. The advanced souls may have a different shielding technique using different colors to shield different things. There are many different variables but you won't get there unless you start with the basics. That was my goal here. Maybe someone would like to head up a thread on this subject. I'll pass on that. Also keep in mind that the color white contains all the colors, including gold. Combine this shield with your Christ soul energy and intention through your will, you'll have something very effective. It takes a little practice if you are new to this.

And Jacqui, I think I have solved our do not touch mystery. At least for me. But the details haven't been disclosed as of yet but we are currently working on that track. Just thought you might want to know that. :wink2:

Carol

11-01-2009, 02:04 AM

Well, as usual, I'm the odd person out. I'm not big on shielding because that would assume I'm not already protected and that I'm not already connected to the universal mind and god (Christ) consciousness. Even when in spiritual battle with whatever on the other side or in another dimension I've not thought to shield myself. And in the most dangerous situation I can recall I called upon inner resources to defend myself and sought help (assistance) after it was over. Some of what has been shared here may help one feel psychologically, emotionally or spiritually secure.... however, to know that god dwells within my heart and to dwell in the heart of god is what gives me strength.

And I would like to add that entering into a state of anxiety and fear is giving energy to the dark side. They win. Refuse to enter into fear and we all win.

Moxie

11-12-2009, 06:31 PM

My understanding is that almost all of us are hybrids from many different races. Anna Hayes (Ashayana Deane) claims that about 95% of all contactees, abductees are chosen for contact/abduction because they are hybrids/members (their vulneraility) of one of the three primary ancient hybrid/human starseed race lines.

There are 3 agendas, 2 of which do not have our best interests in mind and war against each other and also work w/competing factions of human illuminati govts, seeking dominion of the Halls of Amenti Stargates & human subjugation (hmmm is that what Iran is about?)

The other agenda involves two other groups that seek to return humanity to their rightful purpose. Quote: " Throughout human history, humanity was always at the center of interstellar conflict because the human lineage had been created as a Masters Race to serve as Guardians and Keepers of the Interplanetary TemplarComplex System of Time Portals, Star Gates & Free Energy Systems within our 15 dimensional time matrix."

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then to complicate things even more, Lucy, the Antarean at betweendeath.com claims that we (us and them & others) created Time itself (which we are somewhat trapped in) because we wanted sovereignty but we (humans) screwed that up by creating a verbal existence (not telepathic) which resulted in a world of secrecy and not transparency... so for those of you in the frufru love n light and all that jazz.... yes, we creat(ed) our reality, more than you can ever wish for!

ok, that's my 10 cents.! I'm practicing shielding myself and, communicating with GodMind straight, no intermediary whatsoever, don't care what name, Jesus, Michael... nope, straight into the Source.

I've read almost this entire thread and most all questions & confusions are fairly well cleared up in one of her books, $15 (Angelic Realitis). She sews up so many different threads from whisleblowers that, at least for me, she's as close to right on that I've yet seen.

Bottom line is that IT DOESN'T MATTER which hybrid group you are genetically linked to, whether earthseed or starseed, each one of us has the RIGHT to choose to be freed from the many eons of interstellar manipulations.

There are also shieldings included. She identifies the races & which group they belong to. All the ones normally mentioned in this forum are not included in our Guardian groups (from what I can tell), these grail line visitors are here to assist earth humans and are the ones that are exposing the hidden agendas.

I know that you can invest a whole bunch of money & get more involved in Anna's teachings, but for a really good, succinct nutshell of what's going on, I highly recommend that one book, at least!

Whoever controls the gates in the 2000-2017 stellar activation determines our fate.