Avalon & Camelot Reptilian Experiencers revisited

[Carol]

Well I see the thread got closed before I had a chance to add something that Wilcock recently said that really struck me as right on target. He said we are in a frequency war. This makes a lot of sense to me as there are those forces which strive to create chaos, fear and anger to feed off and/or manipulate. And then there are those individuals who refuse to go into those lower frequencies and are resonating at a higher vibration.

But if we all take a breath and remember the future time travel visit of 2047, Andrew Basiago was in a beautiful place and the earth was in a good place. So it would appear there are some difficult transitions for some and not so difficult transitions for others.

We all know we never die and that our consciousness continues in one form or another. So what is it we are afraid of? Is it death? Is it about what negative aliens can do to us? Is it about earth changes we supposedly have no control over? What is it? We all will also experience a physical death... meaning we have to leave our 3rd dimensional body behind in order to move onward in this never ending cycle of experience.

Andrew Basiago also said something that stuck with me and it was about how the future was mutable. It is not set in cement because we affect the future by our intention. We affect the future by our desires and the images we hold in our minds. If this is indeed true this would also mean we do not have to buy into current realities others are projecting for the future. Instead, we can be co-creators and participate in designing the future we want to see.

Has anyone here thought that perhaps by divine design this forum is a collection of many different personalities that vibrate at different frequencies. There are some here who may be ready to transition out of this galaxy and into another multi-verse. There are those who have chosen to stay behind to help others that are left behind and then there are those who are completely clueless, but looking. Reality for each individual is a mystery to the person standing next to him or her. Yet when we take that leap of faith, which is described by some of the most brilliant minds with respect to quantum physics, we know that we are the breath of god made from the stuff of the stars. We all hold a place in space which is defined by our unique individual consciousness.

Seeking wholeness is innate. Some just take longer then others and that is okay. We truly have all of the time in the multi-verse to do our work as souls who are evolving and we continue to evolve through the experience of many lives in many forms, in many dimensions. This is reality as I understand it.

For example, if one were to think of concentric circles one understands and knows the circle one dwells within. Yet like a snake that sheds it skin when the form no longer fits, the next circle is larger and there is more to learn in order to understand and know it. We humans are growing in our understanding of what was, what is, and what is possible. Some of us perhaps are stuck with what was.. while others are focused on what is and then our dream makers are focused on what is possible.

When I was reading Lou Baldwin (Sleepers) book I had a good laugh. He was taken to a place, a city in space located, I believe not far from the sun. In this place he was recalling another life as a resident there and there was a conversation regarding his partners decision to go help out a friend on earth by incarnating as her friend's baby daughter and that she had, I believe, committed to a life span of 62 earth years.

Think about this for a moment. What is it we don't have? For most of us we don't have our memories of our previous lives. Yet these memories exist and are encoded in our cellular structure which has been scientifically proven by some docs who have been doing some intriguing research. Irrespective of this reality, some can see how it is all to easy to become myopic and lose site of the bigger picture, the galactic picture, the multi-universe picture and instead get stuck in the day-to-day drama of finances, jobs, relationships and basic human survival.

If indeed Andrew, Sleeper and Wilcock are correct... how do you suppose that alters one's inner perspective regarding the reptilian element? I still maintain we are all spiritual beings on different levels/rungs of the spiritual ladder. It truly serves no one to attack one another as in essence this is just a reflection of our own vibrational frequency that we are working with at an internal level. If indeed David is right about this being a frequency war then at what frequency would each person aspire too?

For myself, I've still got miles and miles to go at an internal level just to keep focused on the end point while dealing with the day-to-day realities. I just think we need to remember not to give up on ourselves or each other. We can always send prayers to those we are in discord with and wish them the best, wish them their own continued spiritual evolution.. To me this is good intent and when we make that effort at an individual level we help raise the vibrational frequency of the whole. It is my hope that we all keep adding to the collective and go for the 100th monkey. Let's work on being forgiving of ourselves and our fellow souls who are on this journey with us. And most importantly let us remember to be kind.

[mudra]

Carol you really spoke from your heart.
I honor , respect and resonate with every one of the words you just laid out.
We need to keep unity in our hearts for all that is for all creations are part
of the whole , of the grand cosmic plan.
Our heart knows exactly where it takes us and makes our journey a blessed one.
In times of turmoil we need to look within and hold the Love flow
as the most precious and sacred gift we were all endowed with.
From darkness we can learn where we stand .
From Light and bliss we can expand.
When both experiences are integrated only oneness and unconditional Love remains.

Love Always
mudra

[Luminari]

Well I have many questions...

But first of all I absolutely cringe everytime I hear people get David Wilcock's name wrong... he is a brilliant and important researcher can we please at least get his name right. Wilcock ok? Wilcox is way too many cocks for me and it makes me feel uncomfortable. Please respect David by getting his name right. This isn't just you Carol, many people can't seem to grasp it (no pun intended).

Why did the original Reptilian thread go off on a massive 19.47 tangent which has absolutely nothing to do with reptilians?

Why was it closed... thank you Anchor for showing us that the moderation in this place is still active and working for the right reasons.
Could someone PM me and tell me all that I missed.

Why would you want to immediately re-open this topic if it is being abused and causing an explosion of negativity?

[mudra]

http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs50/i/2009/275/c/0/L_O_V_E_by_aiyoshi.jpg


I will greet this day with love in my heart. And how will I do this? Henceforth will I look on all things with love and I will be born again. I will love the sun for it warms my bones; yet I will love the rain for it cleanses my spirit. I will love the light for it shows me the way; yet I will love the darkness for it shows me the stars. I will welcome happiness for it enlarges my heart; yet I will endure sadness for it opens my soul. I will acknowledge rewards for they are my due; yet I will welcome obstacles for they are my challenge. -

Og Mandino

Love always
mudra

[Luminari]

It is wonderful that our beloved members that have been adversely affected by negative dominant entitees such as reptilians can communicate and support each other.

Please however remember all we have been through together in the last year and keep focused on the beautiful co-creation of the original vision of Project Avalon & Camelot.

Not matter how dominant or persuasively orative, do not let a recent member's compulsive verbal diarrhea lead you up the garden path to a place of where you find yourself in a constant vibratory rate of fear. Paranoia contains no wisdom.

Birds of a feather flock together. I will now leave you alone here to do what you must do.

Choose wisely.

[Ammit]

Well I have many questions...

But first of all I absolutely cringe everytime I hear people get David Wilcock's name wrong... he is a brilliant and important researcher can we please at least get his name right. Wilcock ok? Wilcox is way too many cocks for me and it makes me feel uncomfortable. Please respect David by getting his name right. This isn't just you Carol, many people can't seem to grasp it (no pun intended).

Why did the original Reptilian thread go off on a massive 19.47 tangent which has absolutely nothing to do with reptilians?

Why was it closed... thank you Anchor for showing us that the moderation in this place is still active and working for the right reasons.
Could someone PM me and tell me all that I missed.

Why would you want to immediately re-open this topic if it is being abused and causing an explosion of negativity?


The thread went off on a massive 19.47 tangent because information was asked for regarding it.

Quote from Lionhawk :I also wonder if the value of 19.47 applies to it's position if we were to apply an overlay over the Galaxy using sacred geometry. I don't have the values to calculate it, but someone here might able to prove this out.


People were simply gathering information regarding it.

The old thread is still on here, take a look, you will aslo see that it is me to blame for requesting it to be reopened as I thought the information side of things was getting very interesting. Now we seem to have a second chance.

Ammit

[mudra]

Why would you want to immediately re-open this topic if it is being abused and causing an explosion of negativity?


I agree that the title of this thread may not be the wisest of choices.
I sincerely hope this will not be an invite for more coal to be thrown of the stove.
I respect the moderators 's choice to have closed the thread for the havoc it created.
I see it as a wise move.
The words of Carol though go in the direction of peace and unity and for this I respect
them too.
God allows us U turns when we are heading in the wrong direction.
This may be an opportunity to show that the heart is where we stand and that harmony
is what we strive for.


Love Always
mudra

[Stargazer1965]

Well I have many questions...

But first of all I absolutely cringe everytime I hear people get David Wilcock's name wrong... he is a brilliant and important researcher can we please at least get his name right. Wilcock ok? Wilcox is way too many cocks for me and it makes me feel uncomfortable. Please respect David by getting his name right. This isn't just you Carol, many people can't seem to grasp it (no pun intended).

Why did the original Reptilian thread go off on a massive 19.47 tangent which has absolutely nothing to do with reptilians?

Why was it closed... thank you Anchor for showing us that the moderation in this place is still active and working for the right reasons.
Could someone PM me and tell me all that I missed.

Why would you want to immediately re-open this topic if it is being abused and causing an explosion of negativity?


Because if the soil doesn't grow what you want...do you not plant your garden the next year??

And Luminari....You mention the wave of negativity and then you correct Carol for her spelling of David's name. It's the message ...not the grammatical process.


Soul check...Soul Check....1...2...1....2.

Peace

[Ammit]

Are we still going to continue with this 19.47 topic or are we going back to the Reptilian or both??

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Carol.

I'm not allergic to positive information or negative information. I'm allergic to BS...positive or negative. I just want the truth...and I don't care whether it makes me feel good about myself...or not. Obviously...tact and considerate wording is always important...and not making hurtful personal comments is manditory.

[Ammit]

Re-posted from the closed thread.

Ok this is not a theory of mine as I am not going to put it up yet.
But here is some of the things I found out from other sources on the net...

It may be more than coincidence that the Roswell Crash was in 1947 and Nassim Haramein has valid reason to believe that Latitude 19.47 is an extremely important number.

Cydonia and the pyramids, rests at 19.47' from the equator. On Earth, pyramids are exact at 19.47' north of the equator on the Yucatan peninsula in Mexico. Hawaian pyramids are at 19.47' north of the equator as well.

The earth is 21,600 nautical miles around. This measurement is based on the ratio of 360 x 60 first used by the Phoenicians and still in use by modern ocean and flight navigators.

The number 6,480 is exactly 1/4th of the total 25,920 years it takes earth to complete one circuit through the signs of the zodiac. 6,480 years is unique because it marks the duration between a series of global cataclysms left in earth's historic and geologic record.

When the earth's circumference, 21,600 is divided by 33.33 the number 6,480 appears in a variation:

21,600 / 33.33 = 648.06480648064...

648.06480648064..divided by 19.47, the number suggested by the year of the Roswell crash itself (1947)...produces a modification of 33.33:

648.064806480 / 19.47 = 33.28

...Latitude 33.28°

This latitude, 33.28° multiplied by PI (3.141592653589...) results in a longitude 104.56° ... pinpointing the exact coordinates of the disc impact site near Roswell NM.

Additionally the number 2012 can be calculated with a form of the number of the exact Roswell crash site latitude, 33.28° and the year of the Roswell event itself, 1947:

19.47 x 3.328 = 64.80

Between July 1947 and March 2012 there are 64.80 years.

More stuff here (http://www.scribd.com/doc/17117471/Warning-The-Alien-Agenda-Revealed-by-Art-Green-Field).

A three dimentional sphere with a 3D pyramid inside it with it's tip aligned to North or South (both ways would create The Star of David) where the base of the pyramid touches the sphere this is latitude 19.47.

More here (http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/louxsie/cydonrant.html)
And here (http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/viewnews.php?id=140083)

[Stargazer1965]

Are we still going to continue with this 19.47 topic or are we going back to the Reptilian or both??

I'll talk Cydonia all day......:original:

Have you read Hancock's The Mars Mystery?....I'm about 1/2 way through.

Really nice work....Dovetails with Hoagland's Mars Theories.

I'm not so much into sacred geometry...(that's 777) but into lost civs.

Maybe we should start a MARS thread?

[Ammit]

Im with ya there, egypt and cydonia i recon have a connection as does stone henge, wonder how many other sites are comparable to mars sites?

[Ammit]

I have also read that if you take an airial picture of stone henge and superimpose cydonia over the top, when it gets to the right scale for both they line up!!!!, dont have the skills for this but would be interesting to see, also if any other places do the same. Maybe, mars people moved to here and reworked there structures or vice versa. interesting.

[Carol]

Well I have many questions...

But first of all I absolutely cringe everytime I hear people get David Wilcock's name wrong... he is a brilliant and important researcher can we please at least get his name right. Wilcock ok? Wilcox is way too many cocks for me and it makes me feel uncomfortable. Please respect David by getting his name right. This isn't just you Carol, many people can't seem to grasp it (no pun intended).

Why the personal attack for a misspelling due to not remembering how the name is spelled? Is this really necessary? However I have to thank you because I will likely never forget the **** of the walk and talk again.


Why did the original Reptilian thread go off on a massive 19.47 tangent which has absolutely nothing to do with reptilians?

Threads drift based on questions asked. Did you read the entrie thread?

Why was it closed... thank you Anchor for showing us that the moderation in this place is still active and working for the right reasons.
Could someone PM me and tell me all that I missed.

I don't know why Anchored closed it. Ask him directly as the other members would not know either.

Why would you want to immediately re-open this topic if it is being abused and causing an explosion of negativity?



Because there is a lot going on with this thread behind the scenes as well and I wanted to share my view with everyone, not just a few of the other members. Each thread is a process. I was in the middle of thinking about the topic and gone when it had been closed. However, just because the thread was closed doesn't mean that my mind is closed or that the topic isn't worth diving into more in-depth. I've thought about the whole reptilian agenda for years. Due to a personal experience I'm at a different place with how I view it now then when I first heard about the reptilians through David Icke and through personal contacts with abductees. I can easily see where the reptilians can appear demonic and representative of the devil just by appearance alone. So the unanswered questions still need exploration.

My initial response toward the reptilians was revulsion. I associated them with the fallen angels and saw them as satanic. This race of aliens, based on what Credo Mutwa reported, are clearly involved with satanic ritualistic abuse of humans and children. At that time in my mind all reptilians were evil. However, I have come a long way in my research and discussions with abductees/contactees. I now know there are divisions within the reptilians and the human hybrids are a big reason for this. I also am aware that not all reptilians are bad in the same manner as not all humans are bad. The reality is that it is far easier for the mind to paint a picture of black and white rather then to step back and explore the deeper realities associated with this particular group of aliens.

My heart cries out to those innocents who are victims of abuse. Whether at human hands or alien hands. The deeper truth of the matter has to do with the intent of the individual. For example we call Hitler evil... yet what happened with WWII is that the evil within humans as individuals was unleashed. If the evil were not there to begin with, those under Hitler's command would have walked away. My husband's father and grandfather were among those who did not have evil in them and who did walk away from Nazi control during the war. They refused to join the SS or participate in evil.

So the issue that begs to be looked at is our own unfinished internal spiritual process. Do we allow evil (which to me is that which is alienated from god) to take root within our being and act upon it, or do we instead say "no." An image that stands clear in my mind is from Lord of the Rings of Gandalf standing on the precipice facing Balrog pounding his staff onto the bridge beneath his feet and shouting, "You shall not pass!" Being a therapist and having worked with many, many people I've seen this scenario played out in day-to-day life repeatedly. The issue is complex and yet simple. What is it that we say "no" to and what is it that we affirm. It is about choices and our attitude when we meet adversity. It is our attitude that we have control over. We may not have control over the events that manifest outside our lives but we do have a choice on how we meet them.

[iainl140285]

I have also read that if you take an airial picture of stone henge and superimpose cydonia over the top, when it gets to the right scale for both they line up!!!!, dont have the skills for this but would be interesting to see, also if any other places do the same. Maybe, mars people moved to here and reworked there structures or vice versa. interesting.

Get me the pics and I'll try for you :original:

[Stargazer1965]

Get me the pics and I'll try for you :original:

http://www.greatdreams.com/stnhng2.gif

http://www.aliendave.com/files/Photos/MARS/s_cydgeom3.jpg

http://members.cox.net/marscydonia/map-of-cydonia.jpg

Maybe these will do the trick...

[iainl140285]

Thanks for that:lol3::thumb_yello:
Unfortunately, I dont see it ... but I've placed over anyways.
So if anyone knows what its meant to look like let me know and I can fix:wink2:

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2525/57281120.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

[mudra]

http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/mm-cydonia-geo.jpg

19.5°: A Signal From Mars

[...] The esoteric significance of 19.5° was actually first brought to mankind’s attention through another celestial body much closer to Earth – the Red Planet.

This is not as strange as it sounds. For instance, Mars happens to be intertwined with ancient Egypt in curious ways:

The Egyptian capital Cairo, situated adjacent to Giza, derives its name from Al Qahira denoting Mars. (More literally it means ‘the victorious’.)

The ancient Egyptians called Mars ‘Horus of the Horizon’ (Horakhti), which was the very same name given to the Great Sphinx. Mars was also called ‘Horus the Red’ (Hor Dshr), and for a long time the Sphinx was painted red.[1]

Just as the Great Sphinx is the hybrid of man and a lion, in ancient Hindu myths Mars is Nr-Simha, the ‘Man-Lion’.

The term ‘pyramid’ derives from the Greek term pyr meaning ‘fire’, as in Mars the ‘fire planet’. (Mars is often referred to as pyroeis in Greek.)

As for the angle 19.5°, it resides at the heart of the geometric ‘message’ claimed to have been found on the deceptively barren Martian surface.

Indeed, the first sign of the ‘Martian message’ emerged through certain structures that were not only pyramidal but also tetrahedral.

These apparent pyramids were captured on camera in 1972 by NASA’s Mariner 9, the first spacecraft to enter Mars orbit in history. As it flew over a region called Elysium Quadrangle, the probe just happened to detect this ‘tip of the iceberg’ – as they would turn out to be – quietly sitting there.

Read full article here:

http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/martian-message.htm

Love Always
mudra

[mudra]

Spherical Geometry & 19.5 Degrees
throughout the solar system

http://www.vortexmaps.com/images/startet.gif

NEXT: The Piri Reis map
19.5 degrees north and south are the latitudes
where the apex points of a star tetrahedra within a sphere
will contact that sphere's surface,
when one apex is positioned at the north or south pole.
On the Sun: sunspot activity and the region of peak temperatures is limited to 19.5 degreees north and south.
On Venus: the presumably active major volcano complexes Alpha and Beta Regio are near 19.5 degrees.
On Earth:
Mauna Loa, Hawaii (19 degrees 28 minutes N, 155 degrees 37 minutes W) The largest shield volcano is at 19.6 degrees north. This is Mauna-Kea volcano on the island of Hawaii.
Mexico City, Mexico (19 degrees 23 minutes N, 99 degrees 10 minutes W) The Pyramid of the Sun at Teotihuacan is at 19.6 degrees north.
Dzibalchen, (Yucatan), Mexico (19 degrees 28 minutes N, 89 degrees 46 minutes W)
Georgetown, Grand Cayman Island (19 degrees 18 minutes N, 81 degrees 26 minutes W)
Mount Emi Koussi, Chad, Africa (19 degrees 47 minutes N, 18 degrees 34 minutes E)
Mount Kalsubai, (near Bombay), India (19 degrees 33 minutes N, 73 degrees 43 minutes E)
Mountain near Xiangkhoang, Laos (19 degrees 17 minutes N, 103 degrees 17 minutes E)
Mountain near Potosi, Bolivia (19 degrees 13 minutes S, 66 degrees 22 minutes W)
Yasur Volcano, Tanna Island, Vanuatu (South Pacific Ocean) (19 degrees 31 minutes S, 169 degrees 25 minutes E)
Mount Samuel, Northwest Territory, Australia (19 degrees 13 minutes S, 134 degrees 8 minutes E)
Gweru, Zimbabwe, Africa (19 degrees 31 minutes S, 29 degrees 49 minutes E)

On Mars: the "vast" Olympus Mons shield cone volcano is at 19.5 degrees.
On Jupiter: the "red spot" which is an obvious vortex is at 19.5 degrees.
On Neptune: in 1986 Voyager II discovered a similar spot at 19.5 degrees north.

Based on Richard Dannelley's book, Sedona: Beyond the Vortex and Bruce Rawles

Why '19.5 degrees' is Significant

19.5 degrees is the angle that's been found by researchers (Richard C. Hoagland, Stanley McDaniel, Erol Torun, Horace W. Crater, etc.) to be repeatedly encoded in the structures of Cydonia. It is viewed as a definite 'signal in the noise' - some kind of a 'message' left there by some intelligence. 19.5 is called t, the 'tetrahedral constant', because of its significance in tetrahedral geometry (a tetrahedron is a pyramid shape composed of four equilateral triangular sides): the apexes of a tetrahedron when placed within a circumscribing sphere, one of the tetrahedron's apexes touching the north pole, the other three apexes touch the surface of the sphere at 19.5 degrees south latitude. Why this number would be important to the builders of the Martian structures is not clear (though Hoagland is theorizing that it has to do with what he calls "hyperdimensional physics").

read full article here:

http://www.vortexmaps.com/planets.php

Love Always
mudra

[Carol]

Goodness. You folks are going all techy on me.

By the way I live and approximately 19.5 degrees which is where Hawaii is located. We just may go poof someday so it isn't worth putting energy into worrying about it.

While some of you are exploring the technological aspects of the planets I'm still back here, where Dr. Bartlett was on Coast was last night.

He said, "Quantum physics offers a possible explanation as to how healing abilities were occurring. We're beings of light, but the problem is most people see themselves as matter, due to their perceptual biases, he said. Seeing oneself as matter creates a closed system that doesn't allow for miracles, he added. "I think that miracles come from a hyperdimensional reality structure...when we set up...an adequate morphic field or quantum potential they can bleed over into our physical reality and we see things like cancers disappearing."

Angels are what Tom Bearden has called "virtual beings" that exist in the vacuum or zero point field and can traverse from higher dimensions into physical reality when called or activated by human consciousness, said Bartlett. The idea of infinite potential suggests that different or alternate universes are created in which every possible outcome is played out. By tapping into altered states of awareness, we can track alternate potentialities and blur the boundaries of these universes, he suggested. This could explain how tumors vanish, and paranormal activities and sightings occur, he noted."

Basically... I see many are focused on the physical realities of planets, stars, alien beings... and ourselves. Why is that?

My focus is on our hyper-dimensional abilities that are in the process of unfolding. These are two very different topics. When we examine what some of these other alien beings are capable of - what may appear to us as frightening abilities where an alien can materialize through walls and abduct people - are we forgetting something here? Perhaps what is being overlooked is the latent ability of humans. When will humans be able to manifest those inherent abilities?

If we examine the historical implications of this concept we know from various cultures there are spiritual masters whose abilities far transcend the abilities of normal humans who are caught up in a limited reality. These spiritual masters learned how to bi-locate, are telepathic, can see the future and alter realtiy. So this means the pathways have been explored, defined and manifested.

Remember the concept of concentric circles of knowledge? Have you stopped to consider how one transcends these circles altogether? How does one become the shining dewdrop that dives into oceanic consciousness? And how do the reptilians fit into this equation?

Why is it easier to focus on the physical? Why not focus on the non-physical (matter)? For instance, do you think reptilians are interdimensional beings? And if they are what dimensions do you think they may have access to? At what frequency do they resonate? They were identified as 4th level (insectoid) where humans are identified at 5th level. What do you think this means?

To me, these are the mysteries that catch my attention. How is it that a 4th level being came into existence to have control over a 5th level being? What could that mean? Do you think we have a different responsibility to our own species that has yet to be identified and explored by the general populace? What could that be? How do you suppose we can get down to the task at hand and peel back the blinders that cover the eyes?

To me, our evolution as human beings is critical and foremost. If we are to take control of our lives back from the reptilians then we need to understand how this can be done. We need to understand what it means to be a 5th level being and how to manifest our potential. We need to dive down into our consciousness into the primordial unconscious and release what we already know which is hidden from us. We need to keep asking questions of ourselves and seek help to understand our purpose as a species so that we may manifest our potential as compared to being an unfertilized seed in sterile ground.

We need to help keep each other on track by asking questions and probing.

[BROOK]

I understand how everyone has mixed feelings about this subject..the reptilian is a scary subject, and can bring to light some very unplesent memories.

I myself have felt at one time it would be good to just not bring these things to light as it could lower the vibrational energy where I reside. So I can relate to those who would think to advise agains bringing these things to light. And many times I have even thought it did not exist.

However, the testimony of those here have proven otherwise.These are soul shaking experiences shared that might never have been brought to light. The thing that interests me the most is how these beings are getting here, why they are here, and most of all, what we can do to overcome their terror over those who are being confronted with them.
And above all...the child abduction..the missing children. There seems to be a connection here, and it is most disturbing.

As for the how they are getting here...I think the 19.47 equasion is a key here...and the vortex. I am not a math head, however I am aware it is the universal language, and most likely plays a big part in the "how are they getting here".

Ammit and I were pursuing this, I believe this area should be researched further.
I think the that it is much more then just the location of a vortex on each planet...but there was reference to the vortex location of 19.47 in the nuclius of a cell....this is key information as far as I am concerned. It's like the key to our existance if your mind can travel there.
Also there was reference to 2012 and the 19.47 equasion (Ammit help here), but I need to check the figures on that as well....time for the math heads to come out of the closet.

Carol had shared some information about a woman who herself is reptilian and has 6 reptilian children..a fastenating story...and mind bending at best. So this would bring to light that there are good reptilians...maybe human/hybrid that exist, and are here for something else...and where do you find the answers to the many questions that we may have about this whole subject. We research without prejudice...we listen with open ears...we dont make judgement..who are we to judge the experience of those who have had these experience

Of the ones that have shared their stories, I have noticed that although the experience was of a low vibration...they themselves have risen to a higher vibration..they are actively seeking the protection they require, and most of all wish to share what they have learned from the experience. I commend all of those who have done so, and hope you do continue to open the eyes of those that will listen without prejudice or judgement.

Shining a light on the darkness is not a bad thing...and sometimes we have to recount the stories to get to the solutions.
With loving light and respect
Brook

[Ammit]

Wow Mudra, thats a lot of information, brilliant find.

[BROOK]

Wow Mudra, thats a lot of information, brilliant find.
Yes..lots of information..but it is spicific at 19.47, not 19.50...this could throw the math off
When your searching something as small as a cell..this can make a big difference

[Christo888]

Basically... I see many are focused on the physical realities of planets, stars, alien beings... and ourselves. Why is that?

My focus is on our hyper-dimensional abilities that are in the process of unfolding. These are two very different topics. When we examine what some of these other alien beings are capable of - what may appear to us as frightening abilities where an alien can materialize through walls and abduct people - are we forgetting something here? Perhaps what is being overlooked is the latent ability of humans. When will humans be able to manifest those inherent abilities?



Super cool Carol!!!

So would all other higher negative beings be scared that someone will spill the beans and humans will learn the secrets to manifest and we shall become as gods doing all these things and more!!!! And then they get found out that they were tricking us all along simply because we just didn't understand a few tips and tricks of how to operate the controls of what we all already posses??? :tongue2:

So the truth is then being in other dimensions is not dependent on where your heart is at all... negative destructive beings just learned the tips and tricks to how the universe works and they are interdimensional/multidimensional and do fancy tricks with matter that anybody else can do, but they do not have the 'Balance and Harmony' attached along to their choices of how they are using Divine Intelligence!! Plus 'they' tricked the government into purchasing secrets that have always been available to anyone who asks- and for FREE!!!

And Karma or consequences just take time to catch up before misuse of Divine Intelligence gets understood! So trying to earn favor with a God is what religion teaches and is how control is maintained over masses because that favor will never be earned or even exists!!! But learning the compassion's of the Heart is an art form and in order to bring up a race in responsible use of their inherited power than it would behoove all of creation to not allow just any being to have access or be allowed to know the secrets of the Universe without some form of qualifications for personal responsibility to your creations and actions of what an individual creates. Because those creations echo throughout all of Time and Space.

Wrong or misuse of creation can be prevented and right use or beneficial uses can be prodded and encouraged... Universal power exists for everyone and cannot and does not judge who is allowed to know the secrets. Only those who have developed the right use have the compassion to continue to help all beings learn the same ropes of right use! And negative beings would want to prevent the understanding of Universal laws to be hidden so they can rule over those beings.

At any point in time anyone can 'get it' (whatever that means) and there is no real overall event to wait for other than maybe favorable opportunity's that may be advantageous for a group learning as an occurrence, but nonetheless the answers have always been available within the labyrinth.

YouTube - The Wizard Of Oz - There's No Place Like Home

:lol3::lol3::lol3:

[eleni]

"However, the testimony of those here have proven otherwise.These are soul shaking experiences shared that might never have been brought to light. The thing that interests me the most is how these beings are getting here, why they are here, and most of all, what we can do to overcome their terror over those who are being confronted with them."

Someone I respect says they are here because (and one would have to read the entire Right Use Of Will books to comprehend what he is saying) but it has to do with the split between father and mother energies.

Once that split is healed (in the space of love) they will leave the planet and won't be able to stand being around us because they will no longer be magnetically drawn in.

All the mass meditation, chanting etc; has still not raised vibration of this planet according to him (I agree- just have a look at what is going on in the world) because people are looking up (whether it's looking to channel spiritual energies *upwards*, going to church and asking *angels* for help etc) and not looking within the *box* of the original division of the divine feminine energies.

This split is being played out on a mass level and has been for millennia. So it's up to each and every one of us to heal that split (according to him) and change the magnetics and vibration of the planet and that involves regaining right use of will and reclaiming parts of yourself that have been *lost*.

Anyhow- I had a delightful convo with him this am about it as he had just come back from seeing David Icke and Icke got into the reptilian's and my friend thought he didn't have the full picture as to the why of it all (why are they here etc)

My friend is fully aware of the sexual component to it all as well- and the difference between snake and reptilian energies.

Interestingly enough- as a child I was *encoded* for lack of a better term (at around 2-3 years old) with some sort of snake symbol and from that age a snake = sex to me (sorry to bring this up but I was programmed before birth to be part of certain projects). I have not explored the full meaning of that (that is only a conscious memory) but one day I will and will hopefully have something to report unless someone else may know what that means and why Illuminati would use a snake symbol to equal sex.

[P4BL0]

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[Ammit]

P4BLO

Thats a great story, and I hope you are still friends with this person. I cannot say mine was reptilian, as ( and you can through avalon check back my posts) I have said before about my experiences, I have never seen anything but shadows and the predator sort of triangular wavey transparent person in my house. Sorry cant quite explain what i saw.

[Jacqui D]

P4BLO, i agree although i did have a bad experience with one i know there are good and bad in all races.
I could have been attacked by a human that would have been bad too The fact it was another species i feel terrorises some, we have been conditioned not to believe in alien species haven't we.
If you asked anyone on the street about seeing a reptile or any other race you would have them laughing in your face!
They put it in the films though and on our tv that all alien species are bad that that they are here to kill/eat the humans.
I am suspicious of reptiles because of a what happened to me but as i have said countless times i have now dealt with that it's over i have moved on.
Once disclosure is given i think many will go mad with the whole concept maybe disclosure will never happen but these races are out there the masses need to know this it is not a figment of the imagination it is real.I think everyone here on this site knows this but look around you, your family, your friends how would they cope if disclosure ever happens.

[Jacqui D]

Ammit can you elborate more on your predator type creature you have seen?

[Christo888]

Eleni... Snake is also symbolic of a 'holder of secrets,' and some secrets come out or can be 'seen' during sex. How ingenious... hide the codes of the Universe within the constructs of true intimacy, they are forever protected there!!! No true love and intimacy then no codes... a built in protection, no rubber needed! :lmfao: Falling in love raises your vibration.

[Carol]

Hi Brook. The woman I know is human. Her children are hybrid and her adult contact was hybrid. The children's father was a reptilian.

However, my mind is digesting Patrick Geryl's interview that made me think of several other areas of interest. For instance Patrick Geryl and B&K talked about 3 events that are on the horizon which begin with 1) a CME, 2) a magnetic pole reversal and 3) followed by a pole shift. Now B&K think this particular timeline has been adverted.

Ok ,if this timeline is adverted, why? Perhaps Violette had an explaination where he postulated that the earth's solar system may be captured by the Milky Way galaxy. What if in the past, when the earth crossed the galactic center, what Geryl postulated did happen - as evidenced by ice core samples from Greenland. However, perhaps this time the galactic passing doesn't play out as it has in the past due to the earth's solar system switching from the Sagittarius space to the Milky Way galaxy.

Geryl also makes reference to all of the volcanoes going off during the magetic pole reversal and pole shift where the volcanoes would discharge their contents that would go up into the atmosphere and surround the earth - where there would be no sun for the next 40 years. Well if what he says happens, this certainly is a pickle. There are those who plan to go underground for safety to ride out this event. Geryl claims the earthquakes would destroy underground bunkers and that no one would be safe. He is identified how one wants to be on high ground and away from volcanoes. (That lets me out.) He also says that the last H20 wave is the largest so I suspect the danger of tsunamis is immense to our physical existence on the planet.

Now let's back away from this information and look at another bigger picture playing out. Why is there such a push for a one-world order and chipping everyone if TPTB are aware of what is going to happen in the next few years? Why is there a massing of reptilians that some suggest? Whereas, my information from a contactee said they were evacuating the planet.

Do we really just have 2 years to prepare? And if so, prepare for what? We have Astralwalker's thread which identifies transcendence at a spiritual level. We have all of our ground crew threads which focus on self-sufficiency. We have the threads on chem trails and flu virus pandemics. Why kill off the people of the planet prior to this event? Does any of this make any sense?

I do have some thoughts about this but was wondering if others are looking into these types of questions that persist for me. This is a huge puzzle. It's a mystery crying out to be solved. What is globalization really about if according to Geryl's worldview the planet will indeed go through a pole shift soon?

Would there really be folks out there who could survive living on the planets surface with no sunshine for the next 40 years? (There goes all the money for solar equipment.) And how can food grow if this scenario did play out? Would the planet be inhabitable?

I've heard some futuristic stories from contactees where they will be taken to other planets to wait out the cleaning up of the planet; and I've heard of culling, similar to the wraiths in Stargate Atlantis where humans would be kept like cattle until needed as a food source later. Is this the real reason behind micro chipping where they can locate their human stock and retrieve it? Who knows? I've also heard numerous stories from both contactees and abductees where they are being trained by the aliens. Trained for what and more importantly for when?

An abductee has told me that the reptilians have been around for thousands of years and have dominion over humans. How did this come about? Another individual who is linked to angelic realms said the grey and reptilian dominion is rapidly coming to an end.

We have heard from another witness, Robert Dean, that we are getting help from our friends upstairs. We are told from contactees that other alien beings are here assisting us throughout this process. And we have heard from Alex Collier that some aliens don't know if humans are worth saving because they don't respect their planet, they don't respect each other and they don't respect themselves.

There are circles within circles of information yet at the core of all of this info is this human body with a 3D human brain. I have heard some contactees describe some reptilians as almost angelic. How is this possible? And then there are those horror stories of Dulce underground facilities.

Yet, intermingled among all of the stories is that "something this way comes..." soon. I think it was Violette who said it was already on its way and that there is more then one super wave. I suspect that it will be the super wave that triggers the sun, which in turn will eject its CME throughout our solar system. There is also a report of a subluminal craft that was sent out into space to look for monitor for super waves. If this is true then it is obvious to even the densest of minds that the horizon event is not far off. If this is the case do we really need to worry about the reptilians or care what they are up too? Or is there something sinister afoot where their plan is to entrap human souls for their personal use in the future? All of this has been postulated at one point or another in various threads.

What exactly is the reptilian experience? Is it just an abduction and exploitation of humans? Is it a rescue mission? Are they the overseers of this planet and its human population. Is it a nefarious plan to manipulate and exploit what they consider their property (as the greys identified to Sleeper)? Are humans sovereign? Alex Collier says were basically ET royalty. That our genetic markup includes 22 different extra-terrestrial species. (I think that is how he explained it.) In one sense, the reptilians remind be of buccaneer pirates out to get what they can take, yet I have known of human contactees who identify them as caretakers and beneficial.

To me it is no wonder the poor human brain shuts down or spins around in a state of confusion when contemplating these beings and their relationship with humans.

I do agree with you Brook that healing takes place when an abductee can share their story in a supportive environment. I also understand Credo Mutwa's horror when he described his own experience. One can see how some reptilians view humans the same way some humans view cattle. And yet, there are also stories of healing, education and friendship. Are all of these stories to be tossed out the window like the perverbial baby with the bathwater?

Needless to say. There is still much left to investigate and explore when it comes to this particular topic.

[Ammit]

Ammit can you elborate more on your predator type creature you have seen?

I actually watched both predator films many times after to try and figure it out. In the film with Arni, the predator is up the tree next to arnie, the creature seems to show a curved sortof wave to its invisibility. My experience was a triangular shape to the invisibility, it stood about 6 feet 8", i measured the from the floor to where i recon i saw the top of its head.

No noise, not a sound, the whole area was quiet, wife was not snoring or atleast couldnt hear her, no cars and no damned sea gull noises.

It turned its head but am unsure if it turned to look at me or the opposite direction, just couldnt tell.

[P4BL0]

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[Ammit]

P4BLO, obviously you never guest your friends secret, now you know, is there anything you notice now that you never did then, besides the green eyes.

[BROOK]

I don't believe Jim Sparks believes they are good...he also believes that memories are projected..and controling...an illusion

“I sensed how they screen image,” Jim went on, “meaning they project a visual in your mind—and this is what they do with all abductees—they project something in your mind. First they probe you, every fiber of your makeup, to know what your fears are, what your likings are, what you believe in. If you’re the type, for example, who believes in beautiful angelic beings that help people—when you’re abducted they will project in your mind that you’re with angelic beings. Whatever it takes. . .”
“Yes,” I responded, “whatever it takes.”

Science and nothing else
Jim says he learned to shake off screen imaging after he noticed each image was accompanied by “euphoria. When I got these sensations of euphoria, that triggered in my mind, hey, they’re screen imaging. I’d literally shake my head, hit my forehead and say ‘Bull****.’ Then I would see what was really there. So I think it challenged them to try stronger methods, high tech methods, to throw this individual off and it would challenge me to try to mess it up. What I hung on to all those years was literally anger. And hate. I focussed on anger, and hate, and that this is science and nothing else!”



My view is we can make our way through the litter of real and illusory in abduction reports if we have a central theory of what the abduction experience is about. What plot line or theory does a particular incident fit? Who benefits? What is the motive? My central theory is the aliens have put in place an elaborate program of psychological conditioning which begins in childhood and is applied relentlessly in pursuit of the desired result. The desired result is to get the abductee to accept, embrace, even celebrate, what is happening to him, no matter how exploitative it may be. This is difficult to achieve, which is why it took more than 5 years to break Jim Sparks.

[eleni]

Carol,
I personally think reptilians have created the current earth human and the hybrid program is perhaps an upgrade, perhaps it is to be used off planet (and is being used) perhaps as drone workers to do jobs similar to the greys on other planets.

I wonder if the PTB have planned an exit plan (or some PTB) because those factions want out of the alien *agenda* and *need* to tag people?
Or is the tagging another monitoring system (you see I think the monitoring system like that is not necessary because they have way more advanced systems- the AI surveillance system being one) so is that just disinfo scare tactics the PTB use to create fear?

And maybe the reptoids (if they are in control) don't care about trashing the planet because they have technologies that can clean it up and it's to their advantage if we trash it (maybe another deal they made with the PTB- who knows).

BTW- I have not read Jim Sparks material but I agree with him with what he said in above paragraph.
They do an elaborate job to con you - with illusions etc; and because it is true we have trashed the planet and each other it makes you want to be on their *side*.

And yes, if we are all going to be toast in 2012- 2013 or 2017 then what does it matter unless they plan to repopulate the planet with hybrids so it works to their advantage for us to trash the planet and maybe that's why the PTB (if they are behind the control of PTB's) are so keen on destruction. The chipping if real could be a ploy for people to create an uprising and get killed (more depopulation).......but then why depopulation if there are major earth changes coming unless they have truly averted those particular timelines.

[Jacqui D]

So Ammit i would say you were seeing the predator form as it was in camouflauge like in the film.
My experience was a full on sighting/ solid.
It stood around 8- 9tf tall i am only 5ft so to me it was huge.
It word a helmet type on it's head so i did not see the face. It was green/black in colour, it wore a type of military uniform, combats but as i explained earlier this was not made of material we would know but it fused with the skin this hard to explain, it also wore a breast plate there was no insigna on it's uniform. what i noticed was the dreadlock type hair.
This is what shocked me when i watched the predator film and aliens. the likeness was very similar.
The dreadlocks were quite long it was not hair but a type of leathery skin they hung loose so that when the head moved they moved separately.
It was very heavy footed.
It found me by smell i am going out on a limb here to say this is their heightened sense.
they are very strong i remember this one have no trouble pulling me up by one hand/ or what ever it was it was gloved can not remember very well now, to the standing position because at the time i was hiding.
It spoke to me telepathically in a deep drone type sound but it came across as english in my mind and it just said "I have been looking for you for a long time" I do not wish to go into what happened next as i said i have dealt with that.
It was terrifying at the time but i put protection around myself it sensed something at first i could see it held back but then i was attacked, for a better word.

[Ammit]

I am truely sorry for what you had to endure, but you said you put protection around yourself, yet it seemed to make no difference.... Why??

[eleni]

According to my friend - none of this protection stuff works unless one has reclaimed their will energy.

I am also glad you are okay now- I know these incidents create PTSD and it can be debilitating.

[Ammit]

Will energy, so how does one reclaim this?

[Jacqui D]

Eleni i think you are correct when you say reptilians created the current earth human. yes perhaps the hybrid program is an upgrade that makes sense also.
I do not think the reptilians would think twice about trashing the earth, they have taken all they can anyway mother earth is crying out!
They have done this before to other planets they can or will do it again.
I do not want to be negative i am trying really hard to think positive in all of this, but when i look around me today in the UK people, they are not what they use to be. I see it in their faces, in their manner.
There are some yes i agree but they are a minority.




Carol,
I personally think reptilians have created the current earth human and the hybrid program is perhaps an upgrade, perhaps it is to be used off planet (and is being used) perhaps as drone workers to do jobs similar to the greys on other planets.

I wonder if the PTB have planned an exit plan (or some PTB) because those factions want out of the alien *agenda* and *need* to tag people?
Or is the tagging another monitoring system (you see I think the monitoring system like that is not necessary because they have way more advanced systems- the AI surveillance system being one) so is that just disinfo scare tactics the PTB use to create fear?

And maybe the reptoids (if they are in control) don't care about trashing the planet because they have technologies that can clean it up and it's to their advantage if we trash it (maybe another deal they made with the PTB- who knows).

BTW- I have not read Jim Sparks material but I agree with him with what he said in above paragraph.
They do an elaborate job to con you - with illusions etc; and because it is true we have trashed the planet and each other it makes you want to be on their *side*.

And yes, if we are all going to be toast in 2012- 2013 or 2017 then what does it matter unless they plan to repopulate the planet with hybrids.

[eleni]

Ammit- he says that to reclaim our lost will energy we must first reclaim lost parts of ourselves and heal the split between mother/father energy. He says that is the energy that first attracted the reptilians to the planet.

INTRODUCTION

I have been searching for answers for quite some time, because I have had a persistent feeling that despite all of our exhorting of one another and all of our efforts to improve our situation on this planet, there has been something underlying that would explain why we have not been very successful, and instead, have continued to live out the adage that history repeats itself.
When I came across the information that the functioning of the majority of our brains has been becoming increasingly imbalanced and dominated by the part of our brain referred to as our Reptilian brain stem, I felt that here was an important piece of information that had been missing. I wanted to know more about what this meant.
I have since learned many things, among them that even though the symptoms and enactments of advancing Reptilian brain domination have been becoming increasingly apparent all around us, it has just now been being recognized for what it really is, for how it happens and for what this really means. This book is about how and why this brain imbalance has been happening and what we can do about it.
While there are many things about our Reptilian brain that are good for our survival, domination by our Reptilian brain is not the way our human brains are meant to develop. All the parts of our brain are meant to develop and function in an interactive balance, and yet, Reptilian brain domination has become so prevalent that it has come to be regarded as normal. Reptilian brain domination has even been being described as “human nature,” but it is not the true nature of humans.
Understanding the far-reaching effects of Reptilian brain domination, how it happens, why it is so detrimental and what we can do about it may take awhile to sink in, but essentially this is a brain imbalance that has been imperiling the very qualities that make us loving and caring human beings. Reptilian brain domination results in reacting rather than thinking and feeling. These reactions are to protect perceived threats to the self, real or not.
Reptilian brain domination reduces life to a binary world of self and other in which survival means that self must prevail. It has not integrated enough to see that we are interdependent. Where there is Reptilian brain domination, there is a deep-seated imprint that we have only self to depend on. Distrust is high. This makes it difficult to think beyond self, to have good relationships with others and to effect any sustainable change.
Perhaps some of the appeal of Reptilian brain domination has been the illusion that because we don’t really care all that much, or perhaps, at all, about others, we are free to do whatever we want and ignore the consequences to others because they are not us. Are you aware of how much reactionary behavior we have in our current system of living? Becoming reactionary is not normal human behavior. Taking action when there is a real survival threat is normal human behavior, but Reptilian brain domination can blur that discernment.
By understanding Reptilian brain domination we can become able to see that it has been the root cause of most of our many and collective problems.
Addressing Reptilian brain domination can enable us to more effectively make the shifts we need to make on the deep and underlying levels where these shifts need to be made, not only in ourselves, but also socially and globally.
To understand, and even to believe, what it can really mean to have Reptilian brain domination, it seems necessary to have a foundation of understanding in the current knowledge about our brain development and also the causes of our many current imbalances. In the light of this, I have tried to make the scientific information in this book as readable and emotionally engaging as I could.
Although it has now become known as a scientific fact that we can grow brain cells and neural pathways at any age, now called neuro-plasticity, many of us have still lacked understanding of how to effectively improve our brain function in the 2/3, (or more), of our brain that does not respond to words.
Because we can best restore brain balance by using a synergistic blend of approaches, shifting our brains to a state of greater balance can seem to be more difficult than it may at first appear. However, if we have the desire to do it, it isn’t likely to be too difficult for us to accomplish. Based on the research that has been done about what stimulates what parts of our brain to develop, I have included many practical suggestions for improving the development, integration and balance in our entire brain and nervous system. Our efforts can produce results while also being stimulating, enjoyable and even fun, and need not be particularly “mental,” because in most of us, it is the parts of our brain other than the Neocortical, thinking part that need the most help.
There is also a lot of information in this book about the role that stress has been playing in our brain and nervous system imbalances, information on nutrition and detoxifying our bodies and also what can be done during pregnancy, birth and early infancy to stop perpetuating our developmental imbalances.
As a stepping stone to finding additional help, there is also a resource section included at the end of the book. There are now many ways available to get the help we need. Also, by listening to ourselves, we can find inner promptings to guide us on an interesting journey of self-discovery, challenging us to develop more parts of ourselves.
Better brain development and balance can result from giving our brain what it needs. With that help, our brain can make many shifts for the betterment of our entire being, and subsequently, everything around us. After all, our brain is the processing center for our intelligence, and its state of development is reflected to us in everything, internal and external. Why not improve its development, integration and balance?

[Jacqui D]

Perhaps the fear took over and the protection is lessened i do not know!
I think things could have been a whole lot worse i may not have survived so i am lucky in that respect. My intuition in all of this told me this was like an eye for an eye, i have many things i am still trying to find out about myself but i do have protection around me i know this, this was pay back for something i picked this up telepathically from this creature. He even marked his helmet like a type of notch on the bedpost.
Now the other one who was beside this one all the time while this was happening to me was watching on.
When this elite overlord was done so to speak he simply made a noise which i interpreted as your turn now!
As he walked away i was left to the demise of the other one, i knew another attack would kill me i had been in shock up til then but now i stated to cry the other one moved closer i suddenly got a sensation of warmth a glow, i realised quickly this was not the same, again my intuition or maybe thought transference told me this one was a shape shifter and not a predator type being at all.
But i was confused how could this shape shifter hide like this in front of this predator unknownly. Why did the predator not know this was not one of his own.
The shape shifter gave me healing i remember that, there was no words spoken but a sense of compassion.
All i remember next was waking up in my bed, it was morning i felt like sh....t i thought it was all dream, i remember the flash in my eye the night before but then it all happened so fast.
I knew what had taken place i searched my body for marks then i found the the mark on my arm it was pretty big and bright red in colour. it was raised from the skin and you could feel it if you ran your finger across it. I have since found out the mark is a kind of protection for me in the future a sort of "Don't touch" i have work to do here and this was put in place for no more abduction scenarios and dare i say it since that one i have not had one Oh by the way i'm touching wood right now and crossing everything.

[eleni]

Q. I'm trying to reclaim lost Will and I'm not sure I know how.

A. Reclaiming lost Will is similar to the concept of what you dislike in others you dislike in yourself, but in addition to the mental recognition of these things there is also attention given to the emotional aspects of it. Your recognition of it may come first as an emotional response to something. Instead of talking yourself out of those feelings, give them expression as sound, breath and maybe also body movement. Allow and accept your responses and notice the judgments in yourself against this. Trusting your emotions to move creates a vibration where there was none. If you have lost Will that needs to return, emotional vibration and judgment release creates a space for it to return. This will draw the lost Will that is your back to you. You can also help it by stating your intention to work with it by increasing your self-acceptance and love. Many serious gaps, including denied greatness, are part of our lost Will.
Remember that what you experience of others is usually a picture of your judgments. Also remember that the reflections triggering you can involve projections on your part. For example, if you banished your anger with, among other judgments, the judgment that anger is destructive, you will be triggered by any anger that appears to you to be destructive. This is not necessarily the essence of the anger.
Your television can provide you with lots of triggers in the safety of your own home. Giving expression to your emotions with sound creates a vibration that makes a space, a magnetic receptor site, for whatever essence involvement is yours. As you move along and understand it, it is going to be drawn back to you if that is its right place.

[eleni]

Christo888- my feeling is that the snake symbol in connection to sex runs deeper for programmed people- maybe it has something to do with DNA since it was imprinted in me so young (secret projects take DNA from very young children as do the *aliens*).

[Jacqui D]

Eleni, it would be interesting to see how many abductees have been through trauma within the family unit.
Mine was certainly a problem one.
There was no real love there within the mother/father relationship this could be the answer.
By breaking down the love/compassion between the only two people that care in our lives from day one can cause a fracture.
When we are born we bring the love through with us, i can remember being around a year old and feeling the love i sensed when i first came dwindling away and i felt a longing to be back from where i came.

[P4BL0]

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[Christo888]

Interesting point eleni about the Reptilian brain being emphasised over the balanced interaction between all 7 brain centers.

I wonder if that is were 'Geico,' and 'Life Water,' are appealing too. Also I noticed that a lot of supplements and food products have Radiator Fluid added to them, especially the 'Vitamin Shoppe,' and 'GNC' branded products... mostly garbage ingredients.

Radiator fluid may have something to do with the blood mixture for reptiles therefore when added to human consumption and then mind programmed by commercials you can begin altering the formation of DNA over time into Reptilian???

Crazy huh!!!:lol3:

When a Reptilian bleeds in the movies it glows just like radiator fluid... too spooky in plain sight!!!

[P4BL0]

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[BROOK]

All of your art work is very interesting P4BLO and quite lovely...we can see your deep love for the reptilian.
To balance it out for those who might be a bit shaken due to their terrifying experience I will add this

http://www.elfwood.com/art/c/h/chrisdien/dragonslayer.jpg


http://eq2.eqtraders.com/images/articles/c_orc_dragonslayer_painting.jpg

[BROOK]

What exactly is the reptilian experience? Is it just an abduction and exploitation of humans? Is it a rescue mission? Are they the overseers of this planet and its human population. Is it a nefarious plan to manipulate and exploit what they consider their property (as the greys identified to Sleeper)? Are humans sovereign? Alex Collier says were basically ET royalty. That our genetic markup includes 22 different extra-terrestrial species. (I think that is how he explained it.) In one sense, the reptilians remind be of buccaneer pirates out to get what they can take, yet I have known of human contactees who identify them as caretakers and beneficial.Hi Carol,
Yes, these are the questions on everybody's mind...I wonder if there are any here who have had any of these questions satisfied here...it would be interesting to know just what they have been given as information regarding these perceptions during their encounters.
There certainly seems to be a mixed bag of ideas floating around...from one extreme to another

[Carol]

In reference to the snake it is also the symbol of transformation. A snake sheds it skin and thus shucks off what it has outgrown. It is also a symbol of power and representative of the kundalini energy (the coiled serpent) rising up from the base of the spine to the crown chakra activating it and thus enlightenment occurs.

[BROOK]

Carol...thanks for the information..I like that symbol meaning :thumb_yello:
I had heard that before..but forgot it.

[Unified Serenity]

You know, I can't help but feel a whole topic was destroyed and disclosure stopped. Now we have a completely new take on Reps going on and those who were willing to share their less than positive experiences removed from sight. I am not against anyone posting their experiences or views in an experience thread if they have a direct experience.

I believe somewhere in the rules, maybe rule #3 that someone who derails topics no matter how funny or positive is still a troll according to that rule. It appears that a year ago disclosure on Rep experience was tried and it failed. It was tried again, and before people could even say much the energy of openness was turned hostile.

If you don't understand what I mean, let me use the analogy of a woman raped by a football team. She goes to the hospital and the doctor in charge reviews her case, walks in and says, "Wow, what a game we had tonight! Those boys sure can play! My two favorite football teams are UNC and anyone playing Duke". While those comments are innocuous, they are most inappropriate given the circumstances. I hope people who have had direct experiences positive and negative will share their stories, and anyone who is a non-experiencer will really think before they respond with some pithy comment. If a mod wants to censor me so be it, but the reality remains the same. Of course if our words are not recorded for the sake of history, then who does the truth belong to? I think the YouTube - George Orwell Film - 1984 - Part 10 link I posted tells us.

[bellsisland]

You know, I can't help but feel a whole topic was destroyed and disclosure stopped. Now we have a completely new take on Reps going on and those who were willing to share their less than positive experiences removed from sight. I am not against anyone posting their experiences or views in an experience thread if they have a direct experience.

I believe somewhere in the rules, maybe rule #3 that someone who derails topics no matter how funny or positive is still a troll according to that rule. It appears that a year ago disclosure on Rep experience was tried and it failed. It was tried again, and before people could even say much the energy of openness was turned hostile.



I started reading the thread the other day and saw how Mudra was trying to lessen the pain with the disney video and posts about evil.

Buddhism is not a philosophy of total give in and just take it in a compliant way. As my martial arts experience is driven by the love of the art form itself, I know that the martial aspect means just that, I can fight. The yin yang is the give and take of love and aggression.

I know deflection is a self defense move.

My truth, in my universe, is, I have had many contacts through the realm of sleep. I mean I am usually asleep when my soul leaves my body to wander the world. I have seen and talked to many different people. I call the aliens people because they look like us.

The ones who want to capture or hurt me or others are a real chore to deal with. Most times when I am captured my mind can over come their tricks. They really get upset when I am Not upset. I just follow them and stop them from harming others. They hate to be followed.

I remember one time I had a call to visit one and when it asked me "do you want to help kill americans?" I shouted "no" and I flew out so fast, straight up. Because it had tricked me into thinking it was friendly I was happy to have escaped. When I am awake during the day I can not remember what he/she looked like. When sleep comes I pick up where I left off.

During my waking hours I have been attacked many times by men and women. I have taught many that rape is not allowed in this realm. When they attack their eyes have changed into the alien slits. And when I deflect their attack their pupils open to a more human round shape. I am told that this is because the blood is rushing back into their brains and not just centered down below.

Thank you God and Goddess for giving me the strength and the honor of fighting for right application of light and love. I am a light warrior. (But l love the dark.)

Any others?

[BROOK]

When people have opened their hearts, and told their stories, all I'm going to say is they need loving support, and understanding.

They don't want to hear that evil is self created.

I can understand some peoples need to sugar coat a topic such as this. The reality of it is all too frightening.
I know at times searching into this topic that I myself have said..this is not where I should be going...this is some heavy stuff.

But it should be understood, that to hide ones head in the sand. To lighten the subject, without understanding, or the ability to conceive what is happening here..is only a way to derail the subject, and deny those who tell their story.

I hope that is not the case this time...with all my heart I hope they can get the disclosure out where it belongs, without ridicule, without subversion intent. Let the truth be told.

Again I leave you with a song
(I'm all about the music)

YouTube - Queensryche - Anybody Listening?

Is there anybody listening?
Is there anyone that sees what's going on?
Read between the lines,
criticize the words they're selling.
Think for yourself and feel the walls...
become sand beneath your feet.


I leave you with the message that I am listening..and let those who will listen...hear.

Peace be with you on your journey and quest for the truth

[Jnana]

I personally know nothing of reptilian ETs, but I just listened to the Jim Sparks interview on Veritas (which is well worth the subscription price all by itself). He claims to have interacted with five or six different "reptilian" species, i.e., beings with scales, and he found that there were some systematic differences between the species. Some were indifferent to people, some were a bit synical, etc. All of them gave off a "creepy" energy, but it was something he found he could get past. He found that the reptilians were emotional like us, unlike the unemotional grays he interacted with. He does not view the reptilians as being "in charge" of this planet.

He says there are three levels of interaction with ETs. Our regular government, the first level, is for the most part ignorant of the whole thing. The second level, which most of us would think of as the dark cabal, is the power elite of rich people, royal families, etc., and they shoot down craft, capture beings, back engineer technology, etc. Those on the second level thinks they know what is going on and are in control, and they are to an extent, but their focus is too much on this physical world and material success in it (my words) and that keeps them (and us) from advancing. There is a third level that interacts on a regular basis with ETs. Sparks describes them as almost an independent civilization on the earth who to a certain extent don't care about the rest of us. The third level is very far advanced above the second level.

He says a lot more. If you get a chance, give it a listen. The best stuff is in part II.

[BROOK]

Thanks Jnana! I am a member..Mel's the best...and That sounds like a great show...I'm on it :thumb_yello:

[Lionhawk]

This is my third attempt to post this morning. This is a test. Am I being blocked and if so why?

[BROOK]

He does not view the reptilians as being "in charge" of this planet.Jnana....thank you for sharing that...on this particular subject...I agree with
Jim Sparks.

We have free will...what we do with that free will is the key!
And I believe this is what the PTB are afraid we will discover...It's a greater part of our Power

:thumb_yello:

[Stargazer1965]

This is my third attempt to post this morning. This is a test. Am I being blocked and if so why?
I see you LH

[no caste]

This is my third attempt to post this morning. This is a test. Am I being blocked and if so why?

LionHawk - Don't pay attention to this. It's just jibber-jabber for the search engines. Google can crunch things much faster than I can.

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[no caste]

Jim Sparks explains it very well in his book The Keepers ;-)

P4BL0 - You moved the picture! To comment on a past pic. The hair - reminded me of this ...

Lady of Liberty -

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2006/08/10/statue-liberty.jpg

Medusa (Greek myth) -

http://www.lataco.com/taco/wp-content/uploads/medusa.jpg

Kali (Indian myth) -

http://hazel8500.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/killa-kali-thumb.jpg

http://hazel8500.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/kalimother.jpg

[eleni]

I listened to the Sparks interview as well.

Also I want to point out that I don't agree with my friend on reptilians.


The way of thinking about them as evil is again based on duality.

I don't think of reps as evil and even had an argument with my friend on this.
His reasoning is they are reptiles, lay eggs, don't nurse their young, etc;
and as such they are disconnected from heart energy. I don't agree, I think they are just based on a different DNA sequence and just because not everyone or everything is mammalian in the multiverse doesn't invalidate
their energy/ or basis to be *here* or *there* or wherever.


Sparks says the government did not honor the wishes of the reptilians (I got the book yesterday and started reading it last night) and as such have not held to the agreement to clean up the planet.

So that would stand to reason the reps have got a bad reputation (and this is perhaps deliberate on the part of our government to spread disinfo because they see the whole alien agenda as a threat- yes a threat to their artificial economy- again isn't this what Greer is trying to get across- although I don't agree with Greer that the greys are govt. created EBE's).

We know that certain alien factions are upset we have some of their technology (the AI system for example) and again this goes along with what Sparks was told by them (exchange of technology if we agreed to clean up planet- we didn't and stole some of their technology and they are upset and rightfully so).


My little boy has had interaction with green beings who have red eyes (he was terrified as a toddler of them) but now he says they are his friends and they are nice to him and show him things/take him places.
For a 5 year old her certainly knows about things the average 5 year old does not and has not been exposed to video or TV (goes to a Steiner school)
a few weeks ago he told me they took him to the "Gizer pyramid" and a place near the Bermuda triangle. His description of it was just mind boggling for me as an adult. He could not have made it up. Most times he does not want to talk about it and we have asked him repeated times whether or not he was supposed to talk about it. It's like they *shut* him down from speaking too much.

He has also seen greys but his main interactions are with the green beings with red eyes. I reckon my daughter's and I would have been much too terrified to see such beings and that's why they have used the grey's with us as well as Nordics (who may just be screen images and really reptoid).

I have had numerous (life long) sexual encounters with *blank* entities and Nordics and I've always wondered if they were really reptoids disguised as blank images and Nordics).

[eleni]

Thanks Carol- I know that symbology of it- I think there is something deeper- why as a 2-3 year old was I encoded with this symbol? This was not done by greys but by human factions who delve in darker energies (Illuminati).
I don't want to name names but everyone would recognize the names of the perpetrators.

[Noela]

I am interested in what George Kassivalas says regarding Reptilians
and others - including the Nordics. www.georgekassivalas.com

He says he has had personal experience with these beings - and
to me he comes across as believable.

The main thng he emphasises is DECEPTION. And that deception
is very rife at this present time. He says that there are beings
that are incredibly beautiful, appear as full of love, but that he
has personally experienced cruelty and torture beyond belief
from them. He says they have the ability to influence the central
nervous system and produce an ecstatic feeling of pure bliss.

He believes the Galactic Federation of Light is the empire of
these deceptive beings, and that they are about to arrive
in ships, and encourage people (with what seems like great
love) to board and leave the earth.

He also has much to say about the Divine Feminine - and I
think from this standpoint, he might interest you, eleni.

[no caste]

I am interested in what George Kassivalas says regarding Reptilians
and others - including the Nordics. www.georgekassivalas.com

Linky no worky - Problem loading page Server not found
Firefox can't find the server at www.georgekassivalas.com.

[eleni]

Hi Noela,
Yes, the link doesn't work and I am very interested. I have gone back and forth on the deception issue myself and waver back and forth- good- bad and my present feeling is they are neither and it's all how one looks at it which again gets into the issue if duality itself.

I think so many themes on being played out on earth level, other dimensions, astral planes etc; I do not believe the greys are demonic entities from the astral level. I'm not saying they are benign either- I just don't see them originating from an astral plane even though they traverse the astral realm.

[Karen]

Linky no worky - Problem loading page Server not found
Firefox can't find the server at www.georgekassivalas.com.

Are you sure the spelling is correct?

kassivalas is giving just one or two hits at google.com and mama.com

[no caste]

OK, I am mulling freestyle. I can relate to amphibians a bit more than reptiles. However, reptiles are integrated with the environment for body heat, a very different system than mammalian. Rattle snakes, for instance, could be 'sun worshippers' - they need to collect the warmth of the sun, like solar panels. Mammals have an internal thermostat (homeostasis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeostasis)). When humans get a 'chill' we're either cold or terrified.

What are reptiles breathing systems? Amphibians mostly have an external gills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_gills).

Most reptiles breathe by changing the volume of the body cavity. By contractions of the muscles moving the ribs, the volume of the body cavity is increased, creating a negative pressure, which is restored to atmospheric level by air rushing into the lungs. By contraction of body muscles, the volume of the body cavity is reduced, forcing air out of the lungs. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/498684/reptile/38473/Respiratory-system

[no caste]

Are you sure the spelling is correct?

kassivalas is giving just one or two hits at google.com and mama.com

I just clicked on Noela's link and that was the message I got. I didn't look for it any further.

[P4BL0]

.

[no caste]

I have had numerous (life long) sexual encounters with *blank* entities and Nordics and I've always wondered if they were really reptoids disguised as blank images and Nordics).

Hi eleni - Do the Nordics look like this (Technoviking)?

YouTube - KNEECAM No.1 - the original Technoviking tape from 2000

[Noela]

Oh sorry folks - I'm wrong on two counts - the website is -

www.georgekavassilas.org

Sorry for all the confusion!

:naughty::naughty::naughty:

[mudra]

I want to clear my own views about the field of the mind, how I do perceive it and were we as conscious beings stand and relate to it .

For me the entire matrix, the entire physical universe and all the particles it contains is what I call the field of the mind.

Many intricate stories and happenings are being plotted there in 3D with full perceptions and line streamed in seeming linear time through our memories.

The first moment of creation eons ago to present time is recorded in those memory banks.

What we experience every tenth of a second that passes becomes a memory that adds to the broad field of the mind.

So where do we stand as regard this ? We stand at the center of our universe. We as pure consciousness are in the NOW .
We are always out of the turmoil unless we give so much of our attention to the field of the mind that we are then forgetting who we really are . We are the zero point where peace and love exists only .

Our experience of anything whatsover on this plane is a memory. So everything but peace is a memory .Annoying people or situations are memories. Bad things that happen to us are memories . Good things that happen to us are memories as well .
So there is Love , unconditional Love that is who you really are You divine Self completely outside of time looking at the field of the mind ..the matrix made up of memories.

The more we hold onto memories the more we give them strengh and power over us and the more they cloud the fact that we as pure consciousness are the creator of the universe we perceive.

And when we do so we begin to consider that someone else then us is responsible of the actions we are witness to that we don’t like . This is not so we are creating our universe « good » and « bad » at all times. From the very fact that we forget it stems dichotomy and ensuing battles.

The quote « the pain that you carry is the Love that you withold « could’nt be truer for you as the creator of your universe , you as the divine self , you as pure consciousness are Love itself.

This is why we can modify our past . The number of times gone over an incident we experienced no matter how painfull it may be will alter our perception of it and change our viewpoint so that from victim state we can now grow back to responsible state.

And this is why Ho’oponopono works.

Self Identity through Ho’oponopono (S.I.T.H.) came into being by Morrnah Nalamaku Simeona. Morrnah was a Kahuna La’au Lapa’au, a healing priest.

Self Identity Ho’oponopono is a process where you are 100% responsible for your life. You have the power to change it. By taking 100% responsibility you are erasing memories, or bad data and getting closer to Zero.

Zero is a state where everything is perfect and you are very close to pure consciousness.

The reason that it is hard to be at zero is because memories are floating everywhere in the world causing us to react to them. Memories have accumulated since beginning of creation. There are tons and tons of memories in the world. The more people who know about ho’oponopono, the more we can clean the memories. To erase memories, we need to use a “cleaning tool.” Every time a tool is used a memory is released to pure consciousness. When it is erased from you, it is erased from everywhere in the world.

Ho’oponopono works by constantly reminding yourself to clean, and censor your thoughts. By worrying, judging, or engaging in a problem you are telling pure consciousness that you don’t need it’s help. Ho’oponopono helps you let go, and trust in pure consciousness. Whatever you think about or worry about, will stay around because you are reacting to the memory instead of cleaning on it.

Some of the tools for cleaning are repeating: “I’m sorry, please forgive me, thank you, I love you.” By repeating these phrases or anyone of them, you are releasing memories. You need to do this constantly and consistently for it to work.

It is important to remember that you are responsible for everything in your life. Every problem you encounter is an opportunity to clean. If someone comes to you with a problem, you need to clean it. Or if you have a problem, you need to clean on it.

Ho’oponopono allows us a chance to be 100 % responsible for our creations , to be at the center of our universe in that zero point where we are happy in the moment and at peace.

This is not the only technique that will help you in that direction . There are many more that will all end up with the idea of You being in NOW.
I call this being grounded in one's heart ..the soul's heart.

Love Always
mudra

[eleni]

Karma or magnetics- in my over 40 years of being abducted I've never been harmed- they have taught me and shown me things/events etc;
Yes it is terrifying when I hear that noise and am paralyzed- but that's been the only scary part and then when I am returned. That doesn't always happen though- it varies but I usually *wake up* upon return because the noise is so loud.

From the human faction- that's another matter- therefore in my experiences the humans are the malevolent one's (meaning earth based ritualistic humans- not ET's etc).

[eleni]

"The more we hold onto memories the more we give them strengh and power over us and the more they cloud the fact that we as pure consciousness are the creator of the universe we perceive. "

Agreed so whether one uses Lester's release technique or hooponopono it's the holding on to memories which play over and over that gives consciousness.

Here is a free hooponopono audio booklet:

http://www.despertar.tv/bby/booklet-the-clearest-answers/audio-booklet-the-easiest-way-to-understanding-hooponopono.mp3

Enjoy!

[no caste]

This one looks exactly like my ex-girlfriend. (No joke).
Sometimes I would see her face, partially morphing into some kind of strange dark monster.

Yikes - yup, women are not cupcakes :lmfao: nightmare cupcakes...


I can agree with the deception part.
But humans are no angels either.
We deceive each other everyday.
Whether in business, in our homes or in our own minds.
So when something bad happens to me I can look at it as a "Cause and Effect".
Karma ..perhaps?


What I wonder is if 'the hand' that feeds us reptilian information is human and what other ET/EPE {what's an EPE?}. I don't know about the karma thing, I think we all deal with our karma particles individually. Sometimes I think there are backroom karma dealers.

Also, some people like fear, get a rush - ... find it's calming.

[no caste]

Oh sorry folks - I'm wrong on two counts - the website is -

www.georgekavassilas.org

Sorry for all the confusion!

:naughty::naughty::naughty:

Ah. Gotta love that (a problem that doesn't exist) :thumb_yello:

[Karen]

You know, I can't help but feel a whole topic was destroyed and disclosure stopped. Now we have a completely new take on Reps going on and those who were willing to share their less than positive experiences removed from sight. I am not against anyone posting their experiences or views in an experience thread if they have a direct experience.

I believe somewhere in the rules, maybe rule #3 that someone who derails topics no matter how funny or positive is still a troll according to that rule. It appears that a year ago disclosure on Rep experience was tried and it failed. It was tried again, and before people could even say much the energy of openness was turned hostile.

If you don't understand what I mean, let me use the analogy of a woman raped by a football team. She goes to the hospital and the doctor in charge reviews her case, walks in and says, "Wow, what a game we had tonight! Those boys sure can play! My two favorite football teams are UNC and anyone playing Duke". While those comments are innocuous, they are most inappropriate given the circumstances. I hope people who have had direct experiences positive and negative will share their stories, and anyone who is a non-experiencer will really think before they respond with some pithy comment. If a mod wants to censor me so be it, but the reality remains the same. Of course if our words are not recorded for the sake of history, then who does the truth belong to? I think the YouTube - George Orwell Film - 1984 - Part 10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShU2F3UhDUE) link I posted tells us.

The moderators are not ogre royal rulers of of the Kingdom of Censorship. 99.9999% of the time the list members are mature enough and capable enough of moderating themselves in this social situation so that others are not feeling too terribly abused. The moderators are not all sitting here picking over each forum post with a fine tooth comb. Really - these days how often must we take on the difficult task of intervention? It is usually when a member has called for our assistance. It's not WHAT you say but HOW you say it.

The other thread went south with the 2nd post, which was done quite innocently and without malice and what I saw after that was an explosion between two vastly different points of view - and the problem was the highly-charged hostility being hurled at non-experiencers who innocently stepped into a hornets nest - and some of the most hostile posts have been removed.

This is a highly charged topic, and I believe the experiencers can make their points better if they can take a few deep breaths and do so with less emotional charge. Reactions tend to be equal and opposite. The more forcefully you try to make your point the greater the other point of view is repelled away from you. The meeting ground of working out issues like this depends on keeping the emotional charges minimized.

As far as the comments about rule #3 and labeling light-hearted responders as trolls - well, to me that sounds a little too much like extreme censorship. Are we having censorship on this forum or not? You want the right to speak your mind. Everyone wants the right to speak their mind. It can be done without personal attacks, name-calling, etc.

What killed the other thread and stopped disclosure? I think it was over-reaction on the part of the experiencers. I think this topic could be back on track. Be the change you want to see.

[eleni]

Thanks Noela for the new working link. Off to check it out.

[Wormhole]

Mudra,

I have to disagree with a point. I think the trick to being self-responsible and self-realized is not in erasing memories, rather, in being fully conscious of all of your memories and the negativity that the world has as well as the beauty it has to offer and to make the realized choice and responsible choice while still holding on to your independence and sovereignty. To act on a foundation of nothingness is to deny the existence of everything; and that is in my opinion lacking in responsibility.

To be aware of all that is, to be conscious of everyone and everything and every ebb and flow is to be in the NOW. To be present in the moment includes past and future. The only illusion is time. ALL is existing NOW. To deny and erase may feel good and give you a way to slip out of your responsibility to the world, but it is a deceptive path which only includes you and allows you to walk past the man that is ailing without compassion.

I am not saying that you are discompassionate, I know first hand that you are flowing with compassion. I merely warn that it is a slippery slope between being and nothingness. I ask the question, "Is it truly service to others to forget?"

The Rep question is a mixed bag of answers, both positive and negative. I have had both experiences. Through these experiences I have still chosen the path of non violence and disclosure. I will continue to talk about my experiences, negative or positive in an honest fashion. I think this is a service, as others want to know.

Peace of mind through the Heart,
Wormhole

[eleni]

Wormhole- with clearing process's- it's not about forgetting/erasing but actually clearing the incidents out of your consciousness so one is free to move on in fully conscious mode.
It can be really painful to clear because you are brining it to full consciousness.

I've been under hypnosis many times for abduction regression and we used EFT to clear the trauma I was experiencing but I have to say I like auditing and
Lester's release technique over EFT for me.

[mudra]

Thank you for sharing your views wormhole,

I do appreciate you way of looking at it.
By erasing memories I mean to bring them into the light of pure consciousness so you can fully integrate them and be fully responsible for them. They are then part of your experience but you don't need to hold onto them anymore. This allows you to constantly be in the Now. For me it's not so much that all is existing NOW it's rather that Existing NOW is all . But as you experience life and livingness your existing Now grows in understanding . So Now is not existing in nothingness . Your existing in the NOW has a quality enriched by the integration of your experiences and this in itself can be measured by the Love and compassion you adress things with.

Love Always
mudra

[Wormhole]

Mudra,

"By erasing memories I mean to bring them into the light of pure consciousness so you can fully integrate them and be fully responsible for them."

I fail to see how erasing the existence of a thing brings it into the light of pure consciousness.

"Your existing in the NOW has a quality enriched by the integration of your experiences and this in itself can be measured by the Love and compassion you adress things with."

When you exist in the NOW, you become Love and Compassion. Love and Compassion are not an address or a tool to measure things by. But these things are oranges to eve's apples. Thank you for clearly stating your feelings and for putting them into print with such clear intention. Our thoughts are very close together, our differences clearly seen upon the canvas.

Peace of Mind, Strength of Heart,
Wormhole

[mudra]

[QUOTE=Wormhole;178936]Mudra,


I fail to see how erasing the existence of a thing brings it into the light of pure consciousness.[QUOTE=Wormhole;178936]

Probably the use of the term erasing is misleading I agree. What I want to convey is that when you bring memories in the light of consciousness you bring them to your heart, you understand them as being part of your creation and integrate them. And one could say that you have then erased the energy that was making you hold onto them.


[QUOTE=Wormhole;178936]When you exist in the NOW, you become Love and Compassion. Love and Compassion are not an address or a tool to measure things by. But these things are oranges to eve's apples. Thank you for clearly stating your feelings and for putting them into print with such clear intention. Our thoughts are very close together, our differences clearly seen upon the canvas.[QUOTE=Wormhole;178936]

I think Love is who we are Wormhole when not clouded by the hold we keep on wounds of the past. We are Love and compassion . This is not something we can become. It is our essence.
When you meet someone who has Love and compassion it's something you can feel .
It gives you space.

Love Always
mudra

[eleni]

Some info for those interested on releasing:

http://www.releasetechnique.com/what-is-releasing

[Phtha]

There is one powerful form of release or 'conscious clearing' that hasn't been mentioned here I believe.
Forgiveness.
Forgiveness cancels karma.
Forgiveness clears ones heart, ones total being of anger and fear, and all sorts of other negative thoughts and emotions.
I know that it can seem like it is one of the hardest things to do at times...
To use forgiveness at its full potential, one has to believe in providence or karma without question...
As an example, I tell people I know that if I am marched away to some prison camp or other horrible end, I will forgive everyone that plays a roll in my current situation, knowing full well that it is my providence/karma that is the cause of my being there in the first place.
On the surface it might seem like this is a green flag for people to commit atrocities, but it really isn't as they too will meet providence unless they forgive.
Forgiving others is forgiving yourself.
Forgiveness from the heart cancels karma. :lightsabre:

[mudra]

I agree with you Phtha...all along.
I enjoyed the loving energy of your light hearted and kind post .

Love Always
mudra

[Wormhole]

Mudra,

Thank you again for your enlightening post. However, I again disagree on a point. Wounds and memories do not cloud us from being Love and Compassion: choices do. Wounds and memories simply are, it is what we chose to do with them that counts :wink2:.

When I meet someone who is Love and Compassion, I can also feel it. When I meet someone who uses love and compassion as a tool, I question it. It is important to stay awake and see the difference, don't you think?

Thank you for your clarification on "erasing". That was important to me.

Peace of Mind, Strength of Heart,
Wormhole

[Unified Serenity]

http://membres.lycos.fr/skanlon/pictures/Luis_ROYO/RoyoDragonslayer.jpg

Taking back my power and authority against those who tried to steal it. Powerful visual in this picture.

[Wormhole]

Unified Serenity,

Such a bold and beautiful piece of art Unified, thank you. Did you know that "Virgin" means unowned woman?

I remember my first experience with a Rep. Mentally it said that I was his, that he "owned" me. He was there to "Check out the goods". I felt my soul was in danger. I knew that I had been promised to him. A great strength welled up inside of me, "NO ONE OWNS ME!!!" I was pretty fierce.

We need to be warriors and hold our own power when faced with negative experiences. We can then turn around the experience, and face our future empowered and with our eyes wide open!

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

Ps, Who was the artist on that picture?

[Anchor]

This is my third attempt to post this morning. This is a test. Am I being blocked and if so why?

I couldnt post either yesterday, DNS errors kept me from getting to the site.

Today I can.

I am moving house at the moment so I dont have much time :)

A..

[Anchor]

Probably the use of the term erasing is misleading I agree. What I want to convey is that when you bring memories in the light of consciousness you bring them to your heart, you understand them as being part of your creation and integrate them. And one could say that you have then erased the energy that was making you hold onto them.



Think rain drop rejoining the Ocean.

A..

[Lionhawk]

Thanks Mr. Anchor.
Good luck on your move.
Lionhawk puts another log on the fire.
That's all folks.

[mudra]

Wormhole in your own words you are expressing what I myself feel deeply .
We are on the same page .

Love Always
mudra

[Jacqui D]

Well said Phtha, you have explained the law of all forgiveness, thank you for bringing that to the fore.





There is one powerful form of release or 'conscious clearing' that hasn't been mentioned here I believe.
Forgiveness.
Forgiveness cancels karma.
Forgiveness clears ones heart, ones total being of anger and fear, and all sorts of other negative thoughts and emotions.
I know that it can seem like it is one of the hardest things to do at times...
To use forgiveness at its full potential, one has to believe in providence or karma without question...
As an example, I tell people I know that if I am marched away to some prison camp or other horrible end, I will forgive everyone that plays a roll in my current situation, knowing full well that it is my providence/karma that is the cause of my being there in the first place.
On the surface it might seem like this is a green flag for people to commit atrocities, but it really isn't as they too will meet providence unless they forgive.
Forgiving others is forgiving yourself.
Forgiveness from the heart cancels karma. :lightsabre:

[Luminari]

Carol & Lionhawk, for what its worth I would like to apologise for my unconscious remarks on page 1 of this thread. Please continue.

:doh:

[Lionhawk]

No apology necessary. It is noted however.

Notice despite all the remarks, I have not hit the report button once. That's across the board.

As far as continuing, it is being continued, but behind the scenes. There, behind the scenes, is no interference from those who don't want you to know. Just because I am quiet doesn't mean that I gave up working on resolving and the overcoming of the fear of those issues. It was never about spreading fear. It was about facing it!

Thanks Carol for trying. It is what it is. :(

Lionhawk puts another log on the fire.................

[Antonia]

I’ve kept quiet on both these threads up until now as I was interested in what people thought and wanted to read everyone’s take..
I have an on going experience with a none 3d reptilian female… she is a wonderful, wise and evolved being with the evolution of our universe and reconnection to Prime Source, through love, knowledge, creativity and experience… as her main agenda.

But first Noela and Elini… I’m glad you brought George Kavassilas, in to this as I adore his videos… But as well as describing reptilians as deceptive and master manipulators he also states that there are some incredibly enlightened reptilians, who are “Christed” beings. Our great Ra, from the ancient Egypt and the Ra materials, he describes as an ex interplanetary warrior cast, reptilian army commander, subservient to the three Orion Queens, who after a long career conquering planets for the ancient Orion Empire, landed on one of the Sirius planets and was taught the power of cooperation, democracy and freedom by the wise old Sirian's beings on that planet. Ra began a spiritual path and became a being of great wisdom and love… and finally the highly evolved, light being I am Ra.

If the universe is populated by billions and trillions of galaxies, and God knows how many planets and solar systems? Then there’s the other dimensions? And there are humanoid beings of every level of development and description as well as Reptiod, and Dynoid, grey’s, lion faced, it goes on and on, then surely the reptilians will be just as politically, spiritually, emotionally and intelligently, divers as the humanoids?? And if as George Kavassilas says the reptilians were here first, then the Carians (Bird-like) then the humans, then would the reptilians not have had longer to be so diverse??

On this little planet, in relatively recent history, (Thousands of years, not millions), there seems to be a pretty malevolent renegade gang of reptilians who have tried to controle things by seeding their so called “Chosen People”, with DNA, that was easier to manipulate, i.e. from their own, close to their own and that these not so friendly reptilians seem to be working with a renegade gang of not so friendly tall blonds… together they made up the Annunaki? There are also interdimentional reptilian looking demon creatures, who work with negativity, but they are programmed to do so and they seem to be of the same substance as what we call angels. Only programmed to the negative. But in one sense they are all ET’s it’s just a question of which dimension and density the energy or being is working with in… yet ALL of God’s creation is divine and loved by God, so all consciousness and all entities, what ever they may be, are to be respected.
And as the late Bill Hicks said, “it’s only a ride!”… It’s all an experience of the prime source or God, experiencing its own self and its own consciousness…in the end.
We need to chill out and look with in… Reptilians are searching for their own truths and trying to fulfil their own agenda’s in the same way humans are… there’s not much difference at the end of the day.
Remember, even Dulce, was a reptilian/human co-operation nightmare…just not the sort of Reptilian or Human I want to hang out with…

To lump all reptilians in to the Negative, Annunaki, Dulce category is like saying that all Americans back the war in Iraq, just because their army is over there, killing innocent Iraqi’s and that all Americans are murderers and personally want to murder and torture Iraqis. Or for that mater that all American troops are sole bent on going in to Iraq for the purpose of manipulation of oil prices, and stargate controle?

I was very weary of the relationship that I developed with this reptilian, that I now trust with my life and my on going spiritual education, that for a long time I was convinced that she was a Black ops physic plant or a bad guy lizard lady trying to manipulate me as I have that bloodline DNA, but time has told a very lovely tale and she is of the light and the wisdom… but it’s a long story which I wont go in to here….
I just want to say, we need to take responsibility for our own actions, for inviting the negative ones in on a sub conscious level, to work out apathy, insecurity and manipulation dramas, and know that we no longer need this so we no longer can support the deception and we really can controle the outcome… through our own visualisation.
We can wish upon a star…. And turn that wish in to a non wavering reality, and become that star, literally… but it’s a long process of learning and experience, and we’ve already come a long way on that path…

[Ammit]

Hi Antonia

Can I ask you a question please.

You say"I have an on going experience with a none 3d reptilian female…"

How is this experience happening? Is she a physical being, is it done by telepathy??

Ammit

[no caste]

It is what it is. :(

Lionhawk puts another log on the fire.................

Lionhawk, I'm not sure what you're waiting for. Sometimes, it is what you make it. Why aren't you recounting your experiences on this forum?

[eleni]

Antonia-
My 5 year old had ongoing contact with reptilians he calls his *friends*.
He told me last night they would never hurt or kill him. He also described them- some are black- some greenish, some yellow/orange. He says they mostly don't wear clothing because it takes away powers (his words)- also they have taken him around the solar system and beyond. They have taught him numerous things about the sun , solar system etc; (quite detailed to hear your 5 year old describe a CME because he *saw it* with his eyes)- he also told me that he has contact with *bug like beings* (again his words).

I think many reptoids have got a bad rap and not all of them are evil or deceptive just like all people are not evil and
deceptive.

"I just want to say, we need to take responsibility for our own actions, for inviting the negative ones in on a sub conscious level, to work out apathy, insecurity and manipulation dramas, and know that we no longer need this so we no longer can support the deception and we really can controle the outcome… through our own visualisation."

Yes, so true- again for me it comes down to magnetics- we are going to attract what we need to work through and we can create a beautiful reality for ourselves.

[Stargazer1965]

Antonia-
My 5 year old had ongoing contact with reptilians he calls his *friends*.
He told me last night they would never hurt or kill him. He also described them- some are black- some greenish, some yellow/orange. He says they mostly don't wear clothing because it takes away powers (his words)- also they have taken him around the solar system and beyond. They have taught him numerous things about the sun , solar system etc; (quite detailed to hear your 5 year old describe a CME because he *saw it* with his eyes)- he also told me that he has contact with *bug like beings* (again his words).

I think many reptoids have got a bad rap and not all of them are evil or deceptive just like all people are not evil and
deceptive.

"I just want to say, we need to take responsibility for our own actions, for inviting the negative ones in on a sub conscious level, to work out apathy, insecurity and manipulation dramas, and know that we no longer need this so we no longer can support the deception and we really can controle the outcome… through our own visualisation."

Yes, so true- again for me it comes down to magnetics- we are going to attract what we need to work through and we can create a beautiful reality for ourselves.

I have a 5 year old.....I trust very few folks around her and even less those I don't..

Don't you think that you should be sitting guard over or against experiences like this because the little ones are targets according to many folks?

Whatever is happening...it's without your consent

And if it is...Are you willing to gamble with your child?? or your child's soul?

[Lionhawk]

Lionhawk, I'm not sure what you're waiting for. Sometimes, it is what you make it. Why aren't you recounting your experiences on this forum?

You lost me. I'm not waiting. It's how you finish. As to why I'm not recounting my experiences on this forum, it's very obvious don't you think? And if you look around I'm not the only one who has given up recounting those experiences. At least here anyways. I'm just going with the flow here in the capacity that it allows. Can I do that? What I do else where is another story however.

I hope that answered your questions.

Good day!

[eleni]

Stargazer- I'm a lifelong abductee as are my children (not just that one- my others too)
What is one to do? Stand guard all night? I've had joint abduction experiences with my children, as I have said- I have never been harmed- neither has he- neither have the other ones.

Of course they go for youngsters- they track DNA........

I honestly think there are a lot of agendas going on- some are negative but some are not. I do believe in karmic balance.

So while many will see any abduction experience as a negative thing- others will come forward who have not been harmed etc;

At his age - they too took me places and told me a lot of information about the sun etc; I see the pattern......

[no caste]

You lost me. I'm not waiting. It's how you finish. As to why I'm not recounting my experiences on this forum, it's very obvious don't you think? And if you look around I'm not the only one who has given up recounting those experiences. At least here anyways. I'm just going with the flow here in the capacity that it allows. Can I do that? What I do else where is another story however.

I hope that answered your questions.

Good day!

It's just weird. If I go with the flow, I don't keep telling everyone I'm going with the flow. It's like waving from the river without sharing your locale. What's the point?

Good day!

[Stargazer1965]

Stargazer- I'm a lifelong abductee as are my children (not just that one- my others too)
What is one to do? Stand guard all night? I've had joint abduction experiences with my children, as I have said- I have never been harmed- neither has he- neither have the other ones.

Of course they go for youngsters- they track DNA........

I honestly think there are a lot of agendas going on- some are negative but some are not. I do believe in karmic balance.

So while many will see any abduction experience as a negative thing- others will come forward who have not been harmed etc;

At his age - they too took me places and told me a lot of information about the sun etc; I see the pattern......

Sorry if this comes across direct...but where my kids come in I deal in absolutes.....

Absolutely I would be on there hip 24\7 until I knew what was going on...And Karma ...fate ...whatever be d@mned.

I leave nothing to which way the 4 winds blow....especially when kids are involved.

Your "abduction" might have been good.... think about anytime the word "abduction" falls in the "good" word category.

abduction [æbˈdʌkʃən]
n
1. the act of taking someone away by force or cunning; kidnapping

[eleni]

Stargazer- I have to ask you if you have read any material pertaining to the abduction phenomenon.

When they come for you there is nothing that stops them.

My being an abductee is one reason I became an *attachment parenting advocate* sleeping with them, babies/toddlers in slings, etc;

I was horrified when I found out my older children were abductees (at a year old) I never mentioned anything to them- they told me when they were around 13 years old.

They paralyze entire houses, they distort time, etc; by the time my third child was born I was horrified and not letting him out of my site.....but the majority of abductions happen during sleep and so what you are suggesting is that I stay up- you know I did that as a late teen- stay up at night and sleep during the day so they wouldn't get me. Guess what? It failed.

I am one of the abductees who think (this I uncovered with Mack years ago) that they are us from the future. I just read Jim Spark's book and he also agrees- as do the normal human's whom he met that were time travelers-
what he said was that is became common knowledge that the greys are us from the future- with the course the planet is on now (weapons of mass destruction- nuclear laden waste) the possibility of us looking like them is not so far off.......

And we have the other earth changes to contend with- maybe our DNA is altered and we end up looking like that.

I'm sorry to sound harsh, and I know it can sound scary to others - being abducted/taken from sleep etc;- but it happens and many are speculating as to the reason it's happening.......so many stories abound- what's if my children and I magnetically drew in positive abductors that want to save our DNA and those abductors might just turn out to be me as a future incarnation or some relative?

[Ammit]

Believing I have been abducted I do have to ask this question and I dont expect to be shot in the ass for asking it either.

Are we abducted in our sleep in our subconcious or are we actually taken from our homes.?

[Stargazer1965]

Stargazer- I have to ask you if you have read any material pertaining to the abduction phenomenon.

When they come for you there is nothing that stops them.

My being an abductee is one reason I became an *attachment parenting advocate* sleeping with them, babies/toddlers in slings, etc;

I was horrified when I found out my older children were abductees (at a year old) I never mentioned anything to them- they told me when they were around 13 years old.

They paralyze entire houses, they distort time, etc; by the time my third child was born I was horrified and not letting him out of my site.....but the majority of abductions happen during sleep and so what you are suggesting is that I stay up- you know I did that as a late teen- stay up at night and sleep during the day so they wouldn't get me. Guess what? It failed.

I am one of the abductees who think (this I uncovered with Mack years ago) that they are us from the future. I just read Jim Spark's book and he also agrees- as do the normal human's whom he met that were time travelers-
what he said was that is became common knowledge that the greys are us from the future- with the course the planet is on now (weapons of mass destruction- nuclear laden waste) the possibility of us looking like them is not so far off.......

And we have the other earth changes to contend with- maybe our DNA is altered and we end up looking like that.

I'm sorry to sound harsh, and I know it can sound scary to others - being abducted/taken from sleep etc;- but it happens and many are speculating as to the reason it's happening.......so many stories abound- what's if my children and I magnetically drew in positive abductors that want to save our DNA and those abductors might just turn out to be me as a future incarnation or some relative?

I guess I don't think there is anything out of my control when it comes to my baby....but...you're right.

If they can do all that...I guess there was nothing you could do.

I guess now I have to ask the question:

If I knew something had intelligence and a soul ...would I just pluck them up without asking.

Even if I know my intentions were good...wouldn't I still ask permission??

I guess I still have to question and I'd still have to fight.

[eleni]

For me both- my astral and physical body. As a child in my backyard I was taken many times during the day (yes, I was missing according to my mother and nanny and there are oddities because I had a guard dog and my nanny was never ever to leave my side due to circumstances I grew up under) but I suspect my nanny was put under as was the dog. Many times I was found on the beach afterwards but it get's odd because I am not sure whether that was for more human projects (with me it's a complex scenario that went on).

The way I can tell the difference between astral and physical is usually upon return. I have to get back in my physical body- they don't do this for me- although I'd like them too and they mess up and drop me on the floor etc;
it's odd.

I can tell when my astral body is floating and when my physical body is floating or projected- there is a huge difference for me.

With physical- there is a huge distortion that occurs.

[Ammit]

I have experienced plenty of missing time etc, lost a job through it once, but have to argue that i was actually abducted with myself. Have the usual marks on my body etc, but nothing like you are explaining...

[Lionhawk]

It's just weird. If I go with the flow, I don't keep telling everyone I'm going with the flow. It's like waving from the river without sharing your locale. What's the point?

Good day!


Exactly! Good for you.

[Jacqui D]

I would say both Ammit.






Believing I have been abducted I do have to ask this question and I dont expect to be shot in the ass for asking it either.

Are we abducted in our sleep in our subconcious or are we actually taken from our homes.?

[no caste]

Exactly! Good for you.

Seriously. It seems to me that you're setting up a foundation for victims of abductions, experimentation, and other experiencer phenomena. To say so, is to acknowledge publicly that these programs, problems, creatures do exist. The hand of the government is deep in with the abductions. It's state-sponsored. The more it's in the open, the better, in my opinion.

I'll tell you why: Methods for healing and recovery. Anyway, shoot off my left foot if I'm wrong or you don't like it. Either way, I'm OK with it. {I think :sweatdrop:}

[Antonia]

Ok I have just sent a message to some one who asked me about it in my PM box so I hope they don't mind if I repeat my answer here...further down?

Hi Amat and Elini.. My reptilian is not in this dimension.
It is a phsychic exchange.
I was very wary at first when she revealed she was reptilian. I was convinced she was a negitive manipultor one or even a military black ops programe... but all this was in my sceptic head , in my heart I knew I knew her way way before this life and she was so close to me she was family...

As far as I know I have never been abducted...

Her energy and love was so strong but I had read they can make you feel all that love and light in a deception.. YET... I could only really contact and spaek clearly with her when in a very high meditive state and filled with love and happyness my self... now I've gotten better at communicating through other states...

here's PM' I sent to the othe Avalon inquistitor..

Hi ..
yes I'm rh neg.. but my fathers family are a sacred bloodline fanily... merovigin...

I have had phsychic contact with a spirit guide from as far back as I can remember... it was only a few years ago that she revealed that she was reptilian...

She comunicates through my solar plexus as well as pineal..

She is the one who led me to avalon....
Nassem haramien... george kavissalis.. and Diane Hayes... of the Voyegers/keyletonic science as well as Dan Winter... she said listen to thee people..

The more I meditated and conversed with her.. the more of her and my history she revealed to me through words.. feelings and pictures..

here's what i got and here's some of what I now remember...

I was a reptillian many many thousands of years ago. I was incarnating in the Orion star system and she was my mother... she was part of a dragon mother goddess preistess collective. I eneded up part of a rebel group during the Orion wars. There was a revolt amongst male warrior clans and they turned on the females.
Male, warrior Dinoids captured the priestess and they were imprisioned for a long time... think Dulce!! before this she helped me get away from them.
I was able to escape... she got me through the Orion gate and down to this 3d density around the time of the beginning of Atlantis... I remember it very clearly and the terrible rupture and seperation I felt from leaving her and my old world comming here to Earth. I knew I would forget my past as all do who incarnate here on theis planet but it was that or death...
She has been guiding me and yes she is able to connect with me through my reptilian DNA and feel what I feel through my phisical incarnations here.
it such a long story hard to relay it all here...
She has used this experiance to feel through me, life in 3rd density, as well as human emotions. I have lived many lives here before connecting with her again . I was drawn to the dark side during Atlantis.
She has been free and working for the benifit of this section of the galaxy now for quite some time...
Sometimes I get signals not to comunicate with her as there is interferance from the Negitive reptilians..
They are so phsychic... and work so many inginious manipulations... she sometimes goes off a bit maveric on her own with me... she never judges or wants harm to come to any one or any thing.. she is all about creation and nutering life... she has been conscious , in her current state or 8d body for thousands of years ...

I guess many will think I'm mad or delusional... I don't mind... It's very real to me...

[Stargazer1965]

Seriously. It seems to me that you're setting up a foundation for victims of abductions, experimentation, and other experiencer phenomena. To say so, is to acknowledge publicly that these programs, problems, creatures do exist. The hand of the government is deep in with the abductions. It's state-sponsored. The more it's in the open, the better, in my opinion.

I'll tell you why: Methods for healing and recovery. Anyway, shoot off my left foot if I'm wrong or you don't like it. Either way, I'm OK with it. {I think :sweatdrop:}
We were sold out...Our parents were sold out...our kids...sisters...brothers sacrificed for techno beads and the almighty dollar.

Now the day is coming when they have to take out and show us what they are hiding behind their backs....the free energy...the anti grav.

Even then...they'll throw us a couple of scapegoats.

But all this flies in the face of the creator force....the mover of galaxies with a thought

They can hide from us...his little lights...but they can't hide from him

No not from him....

[Jacqui D]

Antonia that is a very interesting story i don't doubt you for one moment, many have had these experiences.
I have decided i will not post my experiences again because i have found negativity in this by telling our stories it is a release but now i know i can not tell What i would like to ask you do you have any information regarding what is going to happen here on earth and are the good ones out there watching over us?
I think you may have had this discussion because of the doir situation earth finds itself in these days.

[eleni]

I don't think you are mad/delusional Antonia. That's an amazing story and you are lucky to have her guiding you.

Can you tell us more, I am so interested? Your story illustrates that there are some very high level reptilian beings working for the light.

One odd thing I will mention- someone I met recently for the first time saw a reptilian being appear in front of my body and he was not frightened by the site. I have asked him to explain more but he could only tell me what he saw.

[no caste]

I have decided i will not post my experiences again because i have found negativity in this by telling our stories

I find that unfortunate. :sad: There are positive and negative reptilian stories. It seems to clash even on the threads, let alone the effect of other vibrations on people with reptilian experiences in these threads.

[Jacqui D]

There are still those who can not except no caste these things sadly, how are we meant to evolve if this stigma is still viable






I find that unfortunate. :sad: There are positive and negative reptilian stories. It seems to clash even on the threads, let alone the effect of other vibrations on people with reptilian experiences in these threads.

[Stargazer1965]

There are still those who can not except no caste these things sadly, how are we meant to evolve if this stigma is still viable

What happens to one....happens to all

The day is coming when we will all stand as one....Bless All

[eleni]

I'm feeling the same way because there is a huge disinfo campaign IMHO to make all abductions appear as negative as well as the ET agenda.
I'm with Greer on this one(except he believes abductions are all govet.)- I listened to a Jacob's interview on Red Ice recently and he didn't come across as knowing 100% that this is some negative agenda- it is speculation on his part.

What if what Jim Sparks says it true? That the *aliens* approached govt. and told them to get rid of weapons and clean up environment and they would even HELP- in exchange for technology that would HELP us- but the government chose the dark path - and here we are - a war zone planet with nuclear , GMO's , poison's in our food, air, water..........

So as far as I can see it's up to me to be the change I want to see- it's grass roots now- there is no PTB or alien faction that is going to save us from self destructing. We the people have to do it and not let the PTB be all powerful- they are not. They are not even that smart.

One more thing-

[Karen]

Antonia that is a very interesting story i don't doubt you for one moment, many have had these experiences.
I have decided i will not post my experiences again because i have found negativity in this by telling our stories it is a release but now i know i can not tell What i would like to ask you do you have any information regarding what is going to happen here on earth and are the good ones out there watching over us?
I think you may have had this discussion because of the doir situation earth finds itself in these days.

Now that many have had a chance to express their reactions, and take steps to work through them, I think this forum would be the perfect place for experiencers to continue the telling. I think it would be perfect for the people here to show they can calm down their intense emotional reactions - in both the experiencer and non-experiencer "camps" and show that we can rise above reactions that cause others to close down.

This goes for Lionhawk's decision to shut down as well. The reactions were getting rather extreme and long-established and well-loved members of our forum were taking the brunt of it. So the mods stepped in. Whenever anyone new jumps into our little Avalon boat here, especially with a strong personality, it can take some mighty rocking before everyone can get back into balance again. This is not a bad thing. We all learn so much from difficult situations - learn much more than from "puffy" events.

Everyone from the warrior to the "love and light" people have a right to express their philosophy here. How you react is your choice. I often just let it go when I want to disagree with someone - thinking - what purpose will it serve, esp after others have already expressed similar thoughts.

Proof of what we can do here is on the vegan vs omnivore threads - over the entire internet, some of the most civil discussions of this extremely hot topic are found right here at Avalon!

Many Blessings,
Karen

[Ammit]

People need to tell there experiences, disinfo?, never mind that rubbish.

If you need to tell of an experience then tell it, if others cannot agree or understand your feelings on the matter, then, thats a loss they will have to endure.

Feel free to let go, because at the end of the day, we, we as in the avalon members are supposed the be the waking croud, if we cannot stand by each other and listen, or have a point of view without ridicule or bad feelings, then im sorry, but, the human race is not worth the effort, is it..realy????

[Antonia]

Hi Jacqui…and karen It’s interesting that you don’t feel good posting your story as I got a real kick back feeling of doing some harm when I posted mine… but it’s out now… and I mean harm ,may be ,to both my guide and me as in drawing attention from the negatives…
But here goes… I refuse to live in fear… I send love and light and protection to my Dragan lady too…

She doesn’t tell me what the precise future will be as it is being rewritten all the time…
There are many possibilities.. She says…all there.. a bit like in a CD rom for a video game. Where you go on a quest… adventure… fight monsters.. find treasure etc… every time you play you play a different game… and take a slightly different path through the adventure trail, wracking up various points… to be able to do this there must be a multitude of possibilities already encoded in to the CD rom… but you make your path your beginning and your end by controlling the joy stick and playing the game… each reality is the course you take or create as you navigate through the game…

She says that the cosmos, time, space are all like the CD rom.. Every outcome is already encoded in there… we have the joy sticks in our hands and we create our past...present and future…. But the events of the past create the environments that the future of the game may proceed through…
From the beginning of the game of our realities… we have expanded out wards in consciousness and co creation. Creating lower and denser dimensions in which to experience our latest selves… So in essence our thoughts and consciousness create our future…

The planet Earth’s highest path would be ascension through the sun in to 5 d or 6 d or heaven forbid even 12 d…. there are many portals which need to be opened for this.. The sun it self being the biggest.
There has been a war for the portals on the planet… Certain entities want to keep our souls in a lower dimension and have blown the portals a long time ago.. Certain entities have incarnated to work with the energy grids and re establishes the portals… The LHC at CERN in Switzerland can be used for very negative dimension storming… its in bad hands right now… The major portal in Iraq has fallen under the black opps and many more are being taken over or sabotaged…
We have one last thing upour sleeves.. We are as Alex Collier says carriers of the Paah taah DNA; (Original Creator reptilian) this gives us amazing creative and psychic capabilities when fully activated.
In our DNA are miny star gates or black holes or portals… as the Nexus wave hits us.. our DNA changes on a 3d level, the portals are fired up on interdimensional levels and time travel, teleportation kind of thing becomes possible to those who’s DNA strands are reconnecting and coming alive.. I’m not sure what will happen with the portals.. That’s what every one is fighting about or whether we as a race will be able to move through time and dimensions independently?? Using our own DNA? As this kind of thing hasn’t happened in quite this way in our universe before… it’s incredibly nail biting and exciting stuff… but one thing for sure… we shouldn’t board any ships that claim they are here to rescue us,for now , and stick with the Earth energy centres and the energy grids.. Plugging in to them and connecting with the portal or black hole in the centre of the planet’s iron crystal core… harnessing light and acting as miny capacitors or batteries if we can bring the planet up through the sun gate then that’s the ultimate plan. If not, we can still remain in this dimension or in the 4th until the astro physical alignments are right again to try again. If we stay behind we have the chance to form a new and illuminated society, here, and if it all goes pair shaped and the earth pole shifts and the sun expands and fries us or the tidal waves drown us… we are simply all with out our dense 3d bodies for while, we have more power in our astral or 5d body so we should not fear death…

It’s seems so unfair that there is many different gangs of Negative Et’s interfering, also there are some very self righteous ET’s who genuinely believe that keeping us in their reality is for our own good and that they are our creator Annunaki gods and know whats best for us… yada yada…

there are so many agendas going on here but what happens here does effect the rest of the universe… simply as we have the DNA of so many different ET species in our own DNA, so if we travel dimensionally, as the universe is fractal, this effects the ET species, of who ever’s DNA we are carrying… that’s why they are all interfering and trying to steer us all to their own agenda’s… Our basic blue print is more reptilian then we would like to believe…. It’s not really a case of us or them… we are them….all of them.. All the races… and those who volunteered to inhabit Earth human bodies right now took on a really BIG mission…

That's her take on it anyway...

[Lionhawk]

A wise Soul said to me in recent days, in the form of a question, "If someone goes to a horse race and doesn't have a horse in that race, what difference does it make as to their opinion of that race?" In other words you have risked nothing so it doesn't mean nothing to you. So why stick your nose in it if you haven't put anything up? The fact of the matter is anyone who has experienced these things were at risk. They faced an unexpected unknown. Any sane person didn't invite this in their life. That would be nuts to do so. At the same time it doesn't change the fact that they did have an encounter. The real story happens after that encounter. Once you heal from the ordeal of that encounter, you are faced with knowing something that the people around you have no clue of. They never risked anything such as their lives. Yet they want everything handed to them on a silver platter without risking anything. That's one element. Then you have the ones that don't want their secrets to be revealed. Because if they were, their days would be numbered. If you support all the atrocities done by whatever entity outside of you, has done onto others, then you are no different then them. It comes down to the intent of thought and if it is the same as what has plagued us then I guess you do have a horse in the race. Figuratively speaking of course. If you have someone you love that is victimized by whatever, would you want someone to make a joke of it? Simple morals do apply. The lack of those morals also create their mirror reflections. Laws of attraction in other words do apply.

Even the so called 19.47 tangent that people wondered what that had to do with anything. It has just as much value in terms of a piece of this puzzle. But if your awareness is defined by the box you reside in, what you know in terms of the sum total of all your knowledge won't exceed the size of that box. For with a great field of awareness one realizes that they know very little. As your awareness grows, your sum total of knowledge shrinks. It is so easy to see the postings of the boxes being posted just based with these terms. The words in those posts reflect it. Believing doesn't make you aware. Experience does however.

Truth seekers seek knowledge if I am correct. The dots have been connected. Some of us have expanded our awareness so that we could connect these dots. Many have paid a great price as they put something up. That something was their lives. They risked what you didn't have to, in order to serve you without asking for a thing but just a little respect and understanding. Exercising compassion even in the face of adversity from small boxes. This whole subject has been compromised as far as I am concerned. I also don't blame the mods for shutting the thread down either. They didn't get any argument from me. I also don't blame anyone to keep their testimony out of the sour lime light. I value what is in their hearts more than anything as compared to an empty box. Many of us have faced a daily dose of adversity but we have come to a place in the now where we now know what is going on. That knowledge will not be so easily handed over on a silver platter. All that needs to be said is that now you know the size of your box you reside in. Nothing personal as it is not I that has determined this. It is what it is. Good luck with it!

Sincerely!


P. S. Thanks Karen for what you do here. Just so you mods know, I take full responsibility for that thread since I started it to begin with. Rest assured, it will never happen again.

[beren]

The fact of the matter is anyone who has experienced these things were at risk. They faced an unexpected unknown. Any sane person didn't invite this in their life. That would be nuts to do so. At the same time it doesn't change the fact that they did have an encounter. The real story happens after that encounter. Once you heal from the ordeal of that encounter, you are faced with knowing something that the people around you have no clue of. They never risked anything such as their lives. Yet they want everything handed to them on a silver platter without risking anything. That's one element. Then you have the ones that don't want their secrets to be revealed. Because if they were, their days would be numbered. If you support all the atrocities done by whatever entity outside of you, has done onto others, then you are no different then them. It comes down to the intent of thought and if it is the same as what has plagued us then I guess you do have a horse in the race. Figuratively speaking of course. If you have someone you love that is victimized by whatever, would you want someone to make a joke of it? Simple morals do apply. The lack of those morals also create their mirror reflections. Laws of attraction in other words do apply.

Lionhawk , I think you said something very interesting that no one is (with our sanity) called this entities in our life .

The thing is that we do certain things unaware that certain things attract certain entities. I don`t know if you believe in God and did you read Bible but in old testament among the things that were strictly forbidden for Israelites were these:

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 (New International Version)

10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in [a] the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.


Today people are lured into astrology,tarot,spiritism, and many forms of that what I cited above...

That was said above to protect humans against evil spirits and evil entities who can manifest to us on various ways.

Normally no one would call this entities but maybe he/she is practicing something of which is not aware that actually that practice are calling those entities in our lives.

Modern propaganda has watered those things and proclaimed it "benign fun" but sure it is not fun for the person who was or is being attacked by evil entity . I have heard stories from personal friends and people I cared that they were being attacked on various ways but mostly entities were frightening them to the bone and their life became miserable.
One example was when a sister from my friend abandoned being Christian and started experimenting with horoscopes. My friend told me that as soon as she started that ,one night when he came to visit her , a "thing" with glooming eyes was in his bedroom staring at him, he freaked a bit but I think then he said a prayer. Later when we were talking about that ,he said that we would NOT want to talk again about that experience, he said there were many situations like that ,even more frightening... but from that day on he doesn`t talk about that.

When we mention this , he stop smiling and wants to change subject.

So my point is that we should examine what do we do in our life. Do we maybe practice certain things not aware of their bad under context?

Those entities are practicing their deed in the dark, light of truth is scaring them away.
Power is in the knowledge and I know that there is power in Jesus Christ.
RedeZra was posting something about that so far , how abductions were stopped by the name of Christ because they fear him.

[BROOK]

Explain how a three year old child would invite these things in? What practice that is benign would they be playing with?
I find that idea a bit of a stretch :nono:

[Ammit]

Explain how a three year old child would invite these things in? What practice that is benign would they be playing with?
I find that idea a bit of a stretch :nono:

Brook , this is what I read, :"Any sane person didn't invite this in their life."
I dont think a 3 year old child would invite anything in, do you. Maybe its the innocence of the child and also the untoxic body of the child that makes them naturally open to this type of visitation.

My thoughts only , that is all...

[beren]

Explain how a three year old child would invite these things in? What practice that is benign would they be playing with?
I find that idea a bit of a stretch :nono:



Well , maybe child`s parents are doing some things . And what would be easier prey for those entities than a little child, if they hurt the child ,imagine the pain for parents...

The thing is that we have to be aware of all possibilities...
For example your avatar is holding the crystal ball... does it ring a bell???

I do not mean to offend you or dis regard you by stating above sentence but see how some things can pass as fun and else but in reality they are not fun.
We have to understand that our enemies (who ever hates mankind and is an evil entity) are planting obstacles literary everywhere, even in things we would never think of...

For example kids adore Harry Potter... Who is Harry Potter?
An imaginary boy who happens to be a wizard, a sorcerer , he goes into school to learn sorcery, witchcraft and else... and kids adore that!

See how cleverly the obstacle could be...

P.S.
Even Vatican said that is is OK to watch Harry Potter... there you go who runs this world...
delusion and lies are on every single level made for any human living on this Earth. If you`re kid, you have Harry Potter and Halloween, if you are grown up then you have Tarot, Astrology... If you "think" that you`re better from that and that you "can`t" be tricked because you are "Christian" well then you got Vatican as a mother church waiting to deceive you... if you are above that ,then there is eastern religions or any organized religion, if you are even above that then there is philosophy for you to fool you from your path of life and searching for truth. If you do not buy even that then there is atheism for you, if you are above atheism then there is mix of atheism and spiritualism...

My point is that evil does not sleep ... Evil entities are working 24/7 to deceive us and when they succeed then they attack us .

That is why I stick to Christ in all these matters. Think again why those evil entities freak out when people mention or call Christ in aid???

[BROOK]

I don't believe the God that Jesus describes, would invite a being like tht to an innocent child..through what the parents are inviting.

[beren]

I don't believe the God that Jeasus describes, would invite a being like tht to an innocent child..through what the parents are inviting.



Sorry , I didn`t get that.
What do you mean by that?

[Ammit]

But from what i understand of it, the parents have no say in the mater as i did not, so with that in mind who watches out for the child when the parents are taken, is the child silenced and left in dream as so many have reported to be the case, if indeed my child was taken and the rest of the house was left in some sort of trance or sleep state we could do nothing, and then when it is all over, and we are upset over our childs abduction , who do we ask for assistance?. Believe me i have tried, my local vicar looked at me like i was looney, so what hope is there for help.

Dont get me wrong, i understand what you are saying but it does not work out that easily.

[Karen]

I don't believe the God that Jeasus describes, would invite a being like tht to an innocent child..through what the parents are inviting.


Here's one way the parents can draw them in:

In the Camelot interview with Jordan Maxwell, he told a story of a girl he interviewed. The father's job was to leave on a moment's notice and without a single word - to go out to deal with incidents. I'm assuming these were ET crashes and the like.

The girl was never left alone - agents would come and guard the 4 corners of the property when the father left. I think she was a teenager when the parents went to a party next door and the girl convinced them she could stay alone.

A big reptilian came out of her closet and she ran into the bathroom and locked the door and was screaming out the window. When the parents arrived to help her - the outside of the bathroom door was totally shredded.

It was described as a message from "them" to stay out of their business - or else.

[Ammit]

And that makes me believe even more that there is nothing that will stop them, so what chance do any parents stand??

[Antonia]

Beren....What is sorcery? Only the practise of using the laws of attraction and the power of creation through targeted consciousness... for self serving ends.
when this "magic" or "sorcery" is used for healing and light work it's the same process, just different intention...

personally I beleive the old testiment, which is based on the much more conscise jewish Torah to be, all about Alien manipulation and abduction. (The Torah , by the way is based book for book on the 10 year oder Sumerian Seven Tablets of Creation... With the genisis story, Adam and Eve, Edin, Noah, the great Flood etc all there...
The Jewish Torah's genisis, God is called the Elohim, which in Hebrew is a Female and plural word... In the Sumerian texts... Adam and Eve are an alien hybred genetic experiment... Enki later became Yweh and they turned Enki in to the serpent in the garden of Eden ...

Later on in the Old Testement and the Torah... all this blood sacrifce...and jealous neurotic waring Yaweh or the "Lord" really reeks of warlord tyranicle Alien.... I mean all this ordering his "Chosen ones" to go and commit genicide over and over again.. he tells them to go and storm the town of the Arminites and kill every man , woman , child and beast??? I mean come on please... this aint God! He demands people sacrifice their children . encourages rape, and abduction, this constant winging about worshiping no other Gods... By the way from the ancient Greek which the English bible was transalted , and from the original, Aromaic, the word Worship means 'Work for'

People had to be his slaves and work for no other... have you ever read Laviticus... it's a hoot... people with big noses aren't allowed to go in to the temple and worship the Lord as he finds them displeasing as well as people with blemishes on their faces???
People must be put to death for touching the skin of a pig as well as
wearing a cloth woven from two different materials..
Also if your neighbours barbeeque smell wafts over to your garden and offends you you must smite him???
I mean this is just the silly stuff, not the many horrors, geniceds and endless black magic ritual of Blood, and blood sacrifice... it's all negitive ET's posing as Gods.... I mean even Mass is moc Blood Sacrifeice and canabolism? Seriously... are we meant to believ that this is the ways and the will of the supreme divine consciousness that is creation???
Maybe a four year old child could be convinced or bullies or scared in to believing this **** but not a soverign grown up awake and aware adult?

Jesus was an Et hybred... the Watcher Gabreal, turns up with a tukey baster
or as much alien abductions are known to be about harvsting eggs sperm , embrios, .... Mary was inceminated with Alien Hybred DNA sperm...

So the vehicle that the soul of Jesus would incarnate had the right DNA for phsychic manipultion, and Hybred powers... Whether the intent was a good leader or a bad one, the soul who came in was indeed a loving light being so I presume it was a good alien venture...

It's never not been about ET interfearance or guidence or manipultion..

[BROOK]

Sorry , I didn`t get that.
What do you mean by that?

It's like saying..that these children have been attacked because their parents invited SIN..into the childs life?

Here is how I feel about the doctrin of religion


Some religion has taught us that if we do wrong..we will go to hell.

Some teach that we reincarnate..to experience...then live out past karma...of things we have experienced.

Some teach of "rites" and ritual...ridged behavior

Most religions have a prophet...who have a knowing of the I AM..the Dhamma...the Tao, The Lord of all Lords.

But the writings...and the structure...the dogma...the social structure especially have been used to control...some even through political advancement...some through creating boarders..and where do you draw the line and say this is the TRUTH

How many religious institutions have become fat and rich from the FAITH of the masses. How many hold the secrets and choose not to let you KNOW.

The delima...

What to believe...most of these Prophets if not all..were in touch with the I AM...choosing one prophet..Jesus Christ said....

"He who would know everything, but fails to know himself misses the knowledge of everything "

there is a message from every great prophet from the I AM...and it says....KNOWING....unlimited knowing....know you are too the sons and daughters of GOD...know you can be that knowing...and believe that life is eternal..that you are infinite beings.

Know that you have the power to create..to expand..to be a universe if you so choose...to experience unconditional love of all that is.

An know that in the coming years the vale of the 3D is lifting...and you will shed the ego self..and it will be the battle of Armageddon to shed that ego...the Antichrist!
Know you will finally see the truth these religions and the PTB did not want you to see...that you have the power to be immortal..and free. The power of Light everlasting...and create Heaven on Earth...through what? KNOWING of the creator of all that IS


Don't choose to "seek knowing" don't choose to say "I hope to know more"...or "I seek more knowing"...for the law of attraction kicks in and you will be forever "wanting", and "seeking"....just simply say to your self one very simple thing and it will reveal itself..."I KNOW"
Shed the ego..not the life experience..for from that comes experience...but do not be driven by the ego..the Antichrist, anymore....be that of Knowing.

For with KNOWING comes FREEDOM....are you ready to take that step?

Are you ready to become so large as a star?

[Antonia]

Hear hear.... well spoken Brook!

[BROOK]

Hear hear.... well spoken Brook!

Thanks :wub2:

[eleni]

I personally believe Jesus was an ET experiment- and I think most religions are based on duality and from there we get good and evil.
Not saying Christ consciousness is not valid and Jesus was strategically put on earth during the time period he lived on planet for various reasons.
Look what religion has done to his teachings- it's been bastardized and the true meaning lost and in the name of Christianity can we not remember how many have been slayed?

Sinners, evil, etc; all reeks of Judeo/Christian teachings- again based on duality and some pretty nasty bible stories.

Yahweh is not someone I would want to encounter........

[Antonia]

regarding Yaweh
Every one take a look at Barons post "is Supriem David Rockerfeller the anti Christ?"
I've just read the e-book on the second adress Baron gives... and it's totally rocked my world if true... really exciting full on so crazy it could be true stuff?
I don't know what to think... go have a look!

[mntruthseeker]

I personally know nothing of reptilian ETs, but I just listened to the Jim Sparks interview on Veritas (which is well worth the subscription price all by itself). He claims to have interacted with five or six different "reptilian" species, i.e., beings with scales, and he found that there were some systematic differences between the species. Some were indifferent to people, some were a bit synical, etc. All of them gave off a "creepy" energy, but it was something he found he could get past. He found that the reptilians were emotional like us, unlike the unemotional grays he interacted with. He does not view the reptilians as being "in charge" of this planet.

He says there are three levels of interaction with ETs. Our regular government, the first level, is for the most part ignorant of the whole thing. The second level, which most of us would think of as the dark cabal, is the power elite of rich people, royal families, etc., and they shoot down craft, capture beings, back engineer technology, etc. Those on the second level thinks they know what is going on and are in control, and they are to an extent, but their focus is too much on this physical world and material success in it (my words) and that keeps them (and us) from advancing. There is a third level that interacts on a regular basis with ETs. Sparks describes them as almost an independent civilization on the earth who to a certain extent don't care about the rest of us. The third level is very far advanced above the second level.

He says a lot more. If you get a chance, give it a listen. The best stuff is in part II.

Thank you so much for leading me up to listen to him. I enjoyed every minute and wil be ordering his books. Fantastic information indeed


I want all of you to know that I have had a visitor twice but no memory at all. I really do not think I even left my home on the first time.......not sure if I really care.

I love reading all that you put here and I hope it can all remain here for those of us that really appreciate you for putting out your stories.

I can't even begin to tell you how much it means as I probally buy your stories more so than some of the whistleblowers. Thank you all for being honest and so brave.

I have been waiting for this type of information since I woke up after hearing it from David Icke. The need to know the truth is great, no matter what it is.

[mntruthseeker]

[QUOTE=eleni;178840]I listened to the Sparks interview as well.

Also I want to point out that I don't agree with my friend on reptilians.
The way of thinking about them as evil is again based on duality.


From what I understood, Eleni is that the greys are made up of living tissues and show no emotion and that they are working beings. Sort of contracted by the reps to work for them....... But I also heard that there are more than one type of grey and they are part of the reptilian specie as they have scales..............My personal friend has three that are very near and dear to her. Jim described them as not wanting to get close to us as they lose us as one would lose their very own pet (dog or cat) and it was too painful. I think that there are friendly ones out there indeed. So Steven Greer may well be speaking from his heart on this.

I am on a personal crusade to dig up all I can as I want to know the absolute truth.

[mntruthseeker]

That's her take on it anyway...



THANK YOU I am seeing all of this (just recently) exactly this very way. As I read your postings, I kept saying, YES YES YES

CERN has seems to be "taken out" which makes a big difference....a true miracle in itself............

We still have much to do and I believe that all the light workers have their work cut out for them. They as David Icke says, got the ****ty end of all of this. But they can do it and knew that when they agreed.

TPTBs think they have already won this battle of the energies but they are sadly mistaken. We have never been able to accomplish this and it shows we can't again.............BUT we have so much help from all around the Universe and for sure will prove them wrong. We will win this battle and live in the world as it were meant to be.

I seriously think they will try much but I don't see any of it going anywhere

We will flood them out with our lights

I am so glad you put this out here and shared it with us.

[RedeZra]

It is interesting to notice that those one would think of as victims of an abduction there are those that spin excuses for the abductors

the abductors infringement on the free will is explained away by they are oh so powerful and unstoppable besides we were not harmed and we were shown great stuff

also is noticed that those who think of Jesus as an ET or do not relate to him at all are more prone to experiences of abduction

it is safe to say that many want contact with ET but is it safe


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I've read stories about euphoric abductions where the abductees feel elevated with a sense of well being around these creatures

One particular story was about an abductee who loved to be around those little beings and would do anything they asked of him

One time when abducted he was asked by them to pull a lever which would release deadly gas into a sealed transparent cell with humans trapped inside

He said he did so with a smile looking on the loving gaze of the abductors which he called his friends

Knowing full well he was executing those people

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Now if there is any fact to this story I do not know but what I do know

Be aware of what you want

[beren]

It is interesting to notice that those one would think of as victims of an abduction there are those that spin excuses for the abductors

the abductors infringement on the free will is explained away by they are oh so powerful and unstoppable besides we were not harmed and we were shown great stuff

also is noticed that those who think of Jesus as an ET or do not relate to him at all are more prone to experiences of abduction

it is safe to say that many want contact with ET but is it safe


---

I've read stories about euphoric abductions where the abductees feel elevated with a sense of well being around these creatures

One particular story was about an abductee who loved to be around those little beings and would do anything they asked of him

One time when abducted he was asked by them to pull a lever which would release deadly gas into a sealed transparent cell with humans trapped inside

He said he did so with a smile looking on the loving gaze of the abductors which he called his friends

Knowing full well he was executing those people

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Now if there is any fact to this story I do not know but what I do know

Be aware of what you want



Awareness is key. Eleni,Antonia,Brook... and some others here. I respect you all but I think you are dazzled and confused about all this. You have tons of info on this subject as well as your own opinion but I think you are confused with many dis info too.

I would not be so keen to believe all that was said about what is really happening, there are tons of lies ,deliberate lies to confuse people ,rid them of their awareness and finally run over their lives.

Antonia, please re read the Bible and you would find that almost none of you said is actually there. On few places Yahweh said in condemnation of Israel when they burned their children as an offering to Moloch and Baal ,that child sacrificing never ever came into his mind and that he is disgusted with it.

But on the other hand ,Satan AKA Lucifer AKA Devil and his cohorts of entities of evil (whom ever they are , from demons to reptilians)...always tried to actually blame Yahweh,Jesus for HIS evil works... YOu found that always .

Also religions are mere tool in Lucifer´s hands and with them he is doing a hell of a job in enslaving and torturing people through all history... His best tool so far was "christianity"...

Again re read the Bible, without prejudice, without pre formed religious thoughts , without fear , without judgement. Whaever is not clear, put it on the side, write it and continue reading. See through the back ground of whom was that message writen. Whole that area where Isralites werea bout to go into were deeply in occult and demon worsjiping, human sacrificing, sorcery,withchcraft and blood and sex orgies... Is it any different today???

They are cloaked today but their evil essence is still there...

I think of sorcery and magic as tools which are not good for humans since we are capable for tools and power which is eons above sorcery and magic. Why would you use magic and sorcery to be "enlighted" when they are tools in Lucifer´s arsenal of lesser arms?

Also the person who is engaged in sorcery and magic is actually invoking dark forces and evil entities, it is playing with fire. Do not be surprised when that fire burns your fingers and even more.

Also imagine that you take your 4 year old child and give it a chain saw which is ON ! And say this is a good tool for you, now go play and create beautiful shapes... Or you give your child a matchsticks and tell him/her that go and light a fire and also you give a bottle of gasoline for better lighting of the fire...

Imagine the consequences...

This is same with sorcery , magic,withchraft, chaneling with dead, etc..
Those are dangerous things for not aware humans with high possibilty of destroying the person who mess with it.

Also, a question;

Why would you ,if you search for truth and love and light, would mess around with second hand or third hand things like that decribed above???
Why not come to the direct source of life, love and light- Yahweh the almighty creator and his son Jesus Christ?
Just skip all religions starting from "churchianity", teachings, philosophies ,lies and directly ask for aid from Jesus!

Love and blessing,

Beren


P.S.

My possible explanation about child sacrifices or abductions- namely children until age of 5-7 are the closet to creator´s energy and purity. Evil entities being now far away from life source ,losing their life energy for being dark and evil-are trying to get a portion of that pure energy from little children because they have it the purest when comparing to adults...

Just a possibilty...

[eleni]

Dualism subscribes to and prescribes the concept of pervasive separative states of discrepancy. It is characterized by a belief in absolutes, specifically absolute opposites such as: I vs. you, me vs. others, good vs. evil, God vs. satan, etc.
In dualism-based beliefs or religions, suffering and punishment is seen as part of a presumed fundamental duel or fight between dualistic forces: each side threatening the other side with suffering (in the form of punishment) if not joined up with their own side… although presumably from a different perspective.
Often the sense of happiness in dualist religions or beliefs is accompanied by a certain glee (Schadenfreude) that the "other" side is suffering from the punishment it deserves, being punished for not having chosen the "right" side.

[BROOK]

Awareness is key. Eleni,Antonia,Brook... and some others here. I respect you all but I think you are dazzled and confused about all this. You have tons of info on this subject as well as your own opinion but I think you are confused with many dis info too.awareness is the KEY....as I quoted by Jesus

"He who would know everything, but fails to know himself misses the knowledge of everything "

I have no intention of quoting my last post..I believe I said exactly how I feel...and how religion is used to manipulate.

That divine spark of God inside of us....is crying to get out...it would seem that evil forces would like to keep that from us...the power to create...as God intended it...based on free will.

One of my greatest tools is the power of GIVING...unconditionally...also stated by Jesus and the Bible

Jesus...one of the greatest prophets in the world.....Yes Beren...I was a Christian for a very long time....I was slayen it the spirit...and felt the love of Jesus, and still do...but the religion that wishes to blind us is as obscene as the Devil himself.
Quote Beren:Well , maybe child`s parents are doing some things . And what would be easier prey for those entities than a little child, if they hurt the child ,imagine the pain for parents...

The thing is that we have to be aware of all possibilities...
For example your avatar is holding the crystal ball... does it ring a bell???



I don't practice Magic...I practice human kindness, and Giving.
My avatar describes the power of the crystal..from mother earth..and the energy we all have in us amplified...nothing more.

And I have never been visited by one of these entities...that I aware of...But I do use the power that god gave me to express my love for mankind....which is in trouble right now....and as it stands the last I saw..33% of the world religion is Christian...subscribing to giving up our power within..the power that Jesus states above is inside us..the power to have faith and walk on water...the power that the PTB do not want you to know.

Yes Beren...I use the power of giving..and as a result it has come back to me....I am very blessed..and I bless all around I see...including my enemy's......also taught by Jesus

I leave you with a song
(because as always, I'm all about the music)
YouTube - Genesis - Jesus He Knows Me (HD/HQ version)

Blessings

[Unified Serenity]

For example kids adore Harry Potter... Who is Harry Potter?
An imaginary boy who happens to be a wizard, a sorcerer , he goes into school to learn sorcery, witchcraft and else... and kids adore that!

See how cleverly the obstacle could be...



I just want to point out that in the OT when it says witchcraft the word is "Poisoner". Witches comes from the word Witta and means wise one. These were usually women who learned herb lore at their mother's knee down the generations. These people could know that foxglove can stop your heart if given in the right amount. It can also save a life. So, the word witchcraft was a bunch of bunk.

What do you think is the difference when a group of people gather in a circle in one accord to lift up peace, love and unity and a group of Christians gather around the pole in a circle to pray at school? I think Christian's do not understand what is meant by "no one comes to the father except through me". It's the path of love. Love God and Love your neighbor. It really is a simple message. Do you walk a path of love or legalistic mandates? I find most Christians to be highly hypocritical in how they choose to follow one part of their bible and not the other. They accept the 10 commandments and yet ignore the explanation of those commandments which are contained in Deuteronomy because gee, it's just not condusive to follow them given our current lives. It says to stone a child who disobeys it's parents. When did a christian last do that? Don't bring up Roman's that says Jesus was the end of the law for that is again a bad translation. It really says, "Jesus is the goal for which the law aims".

Sorry to get off on my tangent, but I think the church basically put in it's English bible things to defend the murder and subjugation of millions of people to get rid of them, steal their property and/or force conversion of them. Women's position in society took a nose dive when Christianity came to Europe.

[deb003]

That is why I stick to Christ in all these matters. Think again why those evil entities freak out when people mention or call Christ in aid???

This statement has actually been studied by Spirit Releasement therapist through practice. I have read several books on therapists doing child regression as well as past life regression and when they find a demon or incarnate spirit /alien possession or attachment in a person, they use Jesus Christ or the holy spirit or the angels of light as the catalyst to free their clients from these possessions or attachments.
Even the therapists have no idea why using the name is Jesus Christ works but it does and the clients actually are relieved of the attachments or possessions. Sometimes they can't do it in one session, they need several sessions and they find more than one attachment sometimes. We're talking 10's or even hundreds.
They mentioned that there are demons attached to people, masses, weapon systems and collective groups so this is definitely and area that needs to be more studied or understood since there is so much mystery in it.
So I do support the notion that Jesus Christ is used in these exorcisms and if they do work, then why is he such a powerful force enough to send these entities flying out.
A mystery indeed.

[Unified Serenity]

Antonia, please re read the Bible and you would find that almost none of you said is actually there. On few places Yahweh said in condemnation of Israel when they burned their children as an offering to Moloch and Baal ,that child sacrificing never ever came into his mind and that he is disgusted with it.



The God of the OT is nothing like the God Yeshua portrays. The God of the OT wants blood sacrifice in substitution for the people shedding their own blood as payment. Blood is still blood. Jesus/Yeshua was a blood sacrifice to pay for the sins of the world... does it matter if it is 1 human sacrifice or 10 million? Sin is missing the mark of perfection. So to fail in 1 commandment is equal to failing all commandments.

The NT says slavery is ok if one reads Paul's writings regarding Onesimum (sp). Paul does not say to free their brother Onesimus who is a slave, but to treat him well. Why not free him? Well, because slavery was an acceptable practice. Jesus took the shackles off of women, and Paul put them right back on them. Paul says a lot of great things of spiritual value, but he sprinkles in complete spiritual garbage as well. Remind you of anyone?

What kind of God puts his children in a room with an asp and then punishes the children when they get bitten? That is essentially what happened to Adam and Eve in Genesis. What kind of God is willing to wipe out an entire race and start over as he suggested to Moses? If he could do that, why not just do a do over at the beginning when that crafty one messed up Adam and Eve?

Or how about what kind of God devalues the choice of a woman who gets raped and if her rapist pays a fine to her father and marries her is off the hook but can never divorce her? What woman would want to marry her rapist? Of course women are property, and don't get a say.

I could go on and on with the discrepancies in the God of the OT vs NT. Does it negate the important spiritual truths of the bible? No it doesn't, but please realize that much was written from an accepted societal stance, and not based on Divine law.

[Jacqui D]

Taking this thread back to what was said earlier regarding some people attracting these entities.
I do not believe this is so, because as was said before children are innocent victims in all of this and it was mentioned that possibly the parents were calling these entities in through what ever means.
Okay if that was so i can understand that but lets say here that no parent of a child was pulling these entities in what would then be the reason for such an encounter.
Well perhaps it was because these entities are all around us and are looking for viable humans to carry on with there abductions and dna testing how and when they think fit.
Why has it always got to be the human that attracts these beings because of an occult feel or thinking of such things.
If we have certain abilities within us that do attract these beings we do not wish them to interfere in our lives, but we have been spied on abused and attacked.
To say we attract these beings because of inviting them is because of our beliefs is like saying well these ET's have an agenda and it's okay that they are allowed to snatch anyone they wish and take which they need and it's okay to rape women, make them pregnant then take their babies, i'm sorry but this is very wrong in my eyes, no one has the right to take another with out there consent.
There is something very wrong here when you can see the possiblity of another race interfering with another's to be okay because they invited it in.

[Ammit]

Well put Jacqui.

The main problem from what I have read time and again is, some government in there wisdom decided to give permission for this type of thing to happen, this was done (from what I have read) as an exchange deal for technology and the likes. So, if indeed this happened then whoever it is doing these vile things to us humans will not need to ask your permission as they already have it.

Ammit

[mntruthseeker]

I listened to a couple of speakers at The Veritas Show site last night and it seems to me that just being in the military sometimes brought about involvement.

I am sure many children were involved for just having a parent in the military or cult (certain churches organizations)

But the parent doesn't have to be a willing participant.

When my live-in boyfriend returned from Viet Nam, I could no longer stay with him. I never realized what his "nightmares" were all about.

about two months after he was in Viet Nam, his mother called me and told me that he was found in a cave and was brainwashed and they took him to a hospital in Colorado. It was a mental ward and he was so screwed up that I couldn't stay with him. He would wake up terrified in the middle of the night and beg me to go see who had turned the outside light on and to check the back yard. He was in a fetal position........I blew it off as being contributed to drugs.........He was heavily medicated.

At this time his son was just a few months old but I had to move and get as far away from him as I could. I never understood and years later I found out my son has been visited many times. He never told me because he himself at first didnt realize what was happening and then started using drugs himself.

He has been straight for about the last six years, and I actually understand things that he has been trying to explain to me.

My upbringing didnt include Aliens at all. I had no clue.

The stories my son tell me started when he was still in the crib.

The only think I can connect the dots on this, is through his father. His father never opened up to me and we never got back together.

[BROOK]

To those who would choose not to remember...and suggest that this is all self invited evil
caused by the very evil that keeps them a prisoner of fear..to judge, those experiences
I bless you and wish you nothing but light
let those who do remember shed some light




I've been a prisoner all my life
but I don't remember
Take me home





YouTube - Phil Collins Farewell Tour - Drums and "Take Me Home"

Take that look of worry
Im an ordinary man
They dont tell me nothing
So I find out what I can
Theres a fire thats been burning
Right outside my door
I cant see but I feel it
And it helps to keep me warm
So i, I dont mind
No i, I dont mind

Seems so long Ive been waiting
Still dont know what for
Theres no point escaping
I dont worry anymore
I cant come out to find you
I dont like to go outside
They cant turn off my feelings
Like theyre turning off a light
But i, I dont mind
No i, I dont mind

So take, take me home
Cos I dont remember
Take, take me home
Cos I dont remember
Take, take me home
Cos I dont remember
Take, take me home, oh lord
Cos Ive been a prisoner all my life
And I can say to you

Take that look of worry, mines an ordinary life
Working when its daylight
And sleeping when its night
Ive got no far horizons
I dont wish upon a star
They dont think that I listen
Oh but I know who they are
And i, I dont mind
No i, I dont mind

So take, take me home
Cos I dont remember
Take, take me home
Cos I dont remember
Take, take me home
Cos I dont remember
Take, take me home, oh lord
Well Ive been a prisoner all my life
And I can say to you
But I remember
take take me home

[Jacqui D]

I think you are right here Ammit, we were sold out, in the eyes of those who rule we are only looked upon as laboratory experiments.
Having said that i do know that some have positive encounters by some loving beings also.






Well put Jacqui.

The main problem from what I have read time and again is, some government in there wisdom decided to give permission for this type of thing to happen, this was done (from what I have read) as an exchange deal for technology and the likes. So, if indeed this happened then whoever it is doing these vile things to us humans will not need to ask your permission as they already have it.

Ammit

[Ammit]

Sure Jacqui, I have read many times the good and bad aspect of some abductions. I find interesting the ones where the abductee is shown information either by being taken to different star systems or shown worldly events yet to happen. It is sad however that the bad abductions take place too.

[RedeZra]

the New Covenant between Heaven and Earth

Proclaimed by His Gospel and Sealed by His Passion

set aside the old order of the world


Look to the Word and His words

and you know what is expected of you


the Serpent infested itself in Adam and Eve

as the false authority of the Spirit

as the imperfection of Ego

with whom we do battle

and it is a mighty Adversary

supernatural in nature

and hard to spot

and it relish to trick and to mock

all that is Holy

[beren]

One thing is sure that no matter what do you believe or think that you know about there is power in Christ´s name.

Who ever is doing kidnapping and doing harm to people in whatever form they might choose to appear before us is doing great evil.

First step in fighting against them is surrounding yourself with love ,light and truth.

[BROOK]

Who ever is doing kidnapping and doing harm to people in whatever form they might choose to appear before us is doing great evil.

First step in fighting against them is surrounding yourself with love ,light and truth


Beren...I could not agree more

[RedeZra]

One thing is sure that no matter what do you believe or think that you know about there is power in Christ´s name.



Indeed there is power in the Name of Christ

before we did not know what the Spirit within was

now we know Who it is

Namely the Christ

[Lionhawk]

All in a label of false intentions. Witchcraft. I prefer Wicca myself. Where this originates from is of the time when the female energies were once connected to the Planet. Long ago when women were also warriors along side the men. For that matter women were better runners, thus better hunters, because they were lighter. It wasn't about being any less important as to their role. If anything, quite the opposite where women also had the gift of creation and bring new life into this world. The healing with herbs just demonstrated that connection. Even shamans were of women. It was all about the intention as to the connection. So to bundle it up in a label just further demonstrates the subversion of the male dominance of the Planet. You can call it what you like but it doesn't change the fact that what ever you are doing, in terms of the applications such as sorcery, divination, and the rest of it, is merely a working of energy with the intention behind it.

Back in the day, there were great temples. Temples that anchored certain energies to the Planet. There were Priests and Priestesses that worked in harmony and others that worked in disharmony. It hasn't changed. The forms of constructs have changed though, but the same kind of work that happened back then is still happening today. Technology is another construct that can be very powerful to the delivery of such workings.

Jesus said it best and if Brook doesn't mind, ""He who would know everything, but fails to know himself misses the knowledge of everything "
Thanks Brook.

If you can't embrace all that you are, you are only denying yourself. That is the real sin. The message was about awareness. I hear so many refuse to embrace the duality issues. Sorry folks but look right now where you are. You are in a world based in duality. A Universe for that matter. To deny that should tell you that you are hiding from it. It is the very construct that allows you to operate and be who you are in the physical. By knowing yourself, you can establish the connection back to the Creator that is of oneness. You are just a soul being placed here in that construct. So you can learn. It is like you are a light bulb at the end of an extension cord, where the extension cord goes back to the source. If you have a lot of attachments, positive or negative, you still have attachments. Those attachments are resistive values that will alter your brightness. It is when we cancel out those attachments by their respective polarities that we nullify them to a frequency of resonance. Take love and hate for instance. They are both polarities. Opposing ones at that. Now cancel them out and what do you have. A frequency of resonance. No resistance in the connection, so what happens is your light burns brighter. Isn't it the objective to release or nullify these duality issues of polarity so the God Spark within you can come through and burn brightly? The objective is to bring Heaven to Earth. To raise the frequency of the Planet with this connection. It isn't complicated but we make it complicated by the very things we allow to become attached to. Whether it is love, hate, anger, joy, etc. In this analogy, love is not better than hate, or anger is better than joy or the rest of it. Or vis-a-versa. These attachments are what we subscribe to by giving these attachments our true power.

If you take a string of Christmas lights which are in series and you label every bulb with a label that you subscribe to; love, hate, rage, joy, pain, anger, light, Obamacare, ufos, Ets, religion, witchcraft, beliefs, the report button, etc. and take a measurement of the voltage at the end of the string, what kind of voltage reading do you think you will get? Your emotional body will also determine the resistive value of the bulb, thereby changing the brightness of that bulb. If at the beginning of this string of lights is at 100 volts and you have voltage drops at every bulb, what are you reading at the end of it? Ohm's law states that current (amps) represented by (I) times resistance (R) = Voltage. The voltage drop that occurs across the bulb can be measured. The energy which is amps (I) multiplied by the frequency of resistance (R) (how you feel) will determine the voltage drop. The more bulbs the more likely the voltage reading at the end of the string will be less. So the more stuff you subscribe to the over all effect will be a much more a dimmer sting of lights. This is something that everyone who has celebrated Christmas can understand. The longer the string the dimmer the light will be.

I = energy
R = resistance
V = potential
I X R = V
Energy X Resistance = Potential

There is a stone floating out in space in this sector. It looks almost like a headstone. It is made of something that I think is even tougher than granite. It just sits out there floating around and no one can see it because it appears to be a piece of asteroid type debris on any technological screen be it Et or otherwise. It isn't that big and is very dark in color. Not jet black but a very dark gray. Very insignificant. But on it is a word. That word is spelled out "DUALITY". That stone anchors duality in this sector. Destroy it and everything here will either disappear or implode. This isn't ET technology either. It was put here by the Creator. For all of our benefit. So that we can learn in a physical form the lessons of achieving Oneness through the construct of duality.

Make note of what you subscribe to on every level. Whether it be love, hate or whatever. Just know that the goal is to take every bulb and balance out the energy and resistance so that the voltage going across the bulb is the same going out as what is going into it. So that you allow yourself to be who you really are and that is the GOD SPARK. It is that we are all striving to attain in a state of being. So if you find yourself exercising lighted things and evil things, you are only changing the voltage drops across the bulbs in that string. What makes us darker or lighter is the result of how we did change it. It may take many lifetimes to learn this. The thing to remember is that everyone has a different string of lights. So a single path of whatever belief system that is out there is not the total answer for all. Know that all things exist whether it's ETs, dark or light forces, planetary changes, false doctrines, abductions, Angels, and everything else. To deny their existence is to also deny yourself, for you probably experienced it along the way of your path. May I advise that you lift the veil of all that is, in the now, and not continue the illusion of separating yourself by subscribing to things that are written as the way. What is in your heart is the way.

Another thing that is disturbing to me is why is it we think we get to meet people in a book? Why is it that many speak about Jesus like they know him but never have met him? Why is it that we don't think outside of the box and say, I would like to meet him? Then go do so. Same with our Creator. How many here can say they have met Jesus? If I never have met, let's say you, what right do I have to say anything about you in the first place? Doesn't that apply across the board? And who said that was impossible? Who said you couldn't meet with God like in mano y mano. Who said you can't experience his great works? Who said you can't do great works? Whoever said that through this book you will find God was so full of it. If you fell for that then you have a horse in that race. More like a race of jackasses if you ask me. You are welcomed to prove me wrong but I know you won't be able to because it was based on a lie. A lie designed to keep you in your box. Wasn't Jesus that stated that you can be like me but are not me and that you can do greater things than me? What is stopping you from realizing that you have the free will gift to do a lot of great things? Greater than what Jesus did because you have the luxury of being considered a wacko and no one wants anything to do with you so they leave you alone to do them unlike Jesus who had his hands full with the ones that crucified him. Well, I guess maybe that isn't entirely so as you do these things, these other things want to snuff you out as well. Just goes with the territory. Jack said to think bigger. I couldn't agree more!

A true Warrior of the spirit will take a negative experience and improve on it. That negative experience will not be allowed to keep hold of him/her. Be it an abduction, or whatever. And for everyone's general information, many of the Warriors I have met in this time line are not men. So you men out there who prefer to keep practicing your ways of female subversion, your time is at an end, because these women will just kick your "___" and with just reasonings. You have no idea what is coming your way. I can't wait! For all you Goddesses out there, this one is for YOU!

[BROOK]

Here here Lionhawk well said
to all the goddesses

http://library.thinkquest.org/25535/isis.jpg

[deb003]

This is also very interesting to add.
When the Spirit Releasement therapists are trying to release the attachments from people, one of the main focus us to convince the entity to realize that it has light within itself.
Allot of these demons or spirits are convinced the they are so dark, there is no light in them.
The therapist says this is the deception coming from the higher order of entities. These attachments are now believing that they have no light left, therefore, they feed or attach or possess with the intent of causing damage in whatever form or just to find a place to dwell where negative emotions can be fed on.
What is so interesting to me is that once the therapist can convince them that there is light in them and thery can be forgiven and are not dommed to darkness and painand they can go back to the light, and they see even a tiny bit of light, they leave, and then they actually go back to the light.
So the therapist is not only helping the client, but he/she is assisting the entity to go back to the light.
Doesn't that say allot about what really is evil? the absense of light? and that even demons are made of the light particles. or they are good but turned into the negative form and blinded by deception themselves?
I'm sorry, I know this thread is about reptilian experiences, but maybe there is some connection here. Dunno.

[RedeZra]

When the Spirit Releasement therapists are trying to release the attachments from people, one of the main focus us to convince the entity to realize that it has light within itself.
Allot of these demons or spirits are convinced the they are so dark, there is no light in them.



Very interesting information deb003

the dark entities are fooled by some superiors to believe they are without light and so they act as they think they are

[RedeZra]

By knowing yourself, you can establish the connection back to the Creator that is of oneness. You are just a soul being placed here in that construct. So you can learn. It is like you are a light bulb at the end of an extension cord, where the extension cord goes back to the source. If you have a lot of attachments, positive or negative, you still have attachments. Those attachments are resistive values that will alter your brightness.



Nice analogy of the Soul and the bulb as an expression of Divinity

Attachments are Baggage for the Soul and can turn a wondrous journey to a Burden


All Souls are basking in the Ocean of Spirit


this Spirit within is the Word which pronounced the worlds into Becoming

this Spirit clothed a portion of Himself into flesh and walked with Man

We know Him as Jesus the Personification of the Spirit within

the Christ

[Unified Serenity]

Great picture Brook, that one says a lot in it.

Lionhawk, you spoke so much truth in your post. Much of what you shared of non-attachment and light and dark dualities is spoken of and twisted around in some religions to make people no care about others. That is not what non-attachment is about, but many go that route and lose their connection to source doing so.

I am going to post a link that some might think does not apply to the Reps, but for those with discerning eyes it will. I loved this one quote of bible passages in it :

"Below is catorized in two scriptures Zepheniah 1:17 The men have sinned against the Lord God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, neither their gold nor silver will be able to save them in the great and notable day of the Lord God Almighty.

The second is 2 Timothy 3:1-13 These men have a form of godliness but they deny the power thereof, yet they wax worse and worse, being deceived and they will deceive the masses"

The coming changes have nothing to do with money really. Yes, store up food, but do not depend on your saving of gold, silver or food, but trust in that time to truly know who you are and where you come from.

There is a lot on this page. I was drawn to certain points dealing with numerology and how the ptw use them. There is a lot of bible thumping and that is for each to discern as to its efficacy in this thread.

It is my belief that he Reps deal with demons and work together to subjugate and use humans.

Enjoy the link:

http://jcemmanuel.wordpress.com/

[Lionhawk]

RedeZra stated,
"We know Him as Jesus the Personification of the Spirit within the Christ".


"We", is who exactly? Someone in the past that actually knew him?
But do you really "know him"? Or do you "know of him" through the so called word? Big difference. One is first hand and the other is second hand. I'm just asking. Not looking for WWIII. My point goes back to what I was saying, was why not "KNOW HIM" like in the first hand? What is stopping someone from doing that? Same thing with our Creator. Is it our preoccupation with our subscriptions that prevents that? Looking outside ourselves to "know of" instead of doing the actual act of meeting either one of them, as in to know in the first hand. The question has been place in this thread for a reason. I know of you but do I know you? Something to ponder.......

Lionhawk has got to find more fire wood........................

[Ammit]

Lionhawk has got to find more fire wood........................


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b40/donnyindiana/FIREWOOD1.jpg

:mfr_lol: Should keep ya going for a while pal..

[Stargazer1965]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b40/donnyindiana/FIREWOOD1.jpg

:mfr_lol: Should keep ya going for a while pal..

Thinking more like

http://boba.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/burning_man.jpg

Fire to purify the soul.....

[Lionhawk]

THANKS AMMIT AND STARGAZER. I almost fell out of my chair over here when I saw that. hahhaha to funny guys!

Lionhawk bows to pick up a log and places it on the fire..........that's better!

Thank-you!

[BROOK]

Hay..I've been to Burning man...I did a whole thread about it

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8964&highlight=burningman

That was the first thread I did here :lmfao:

Here's some fire for you ..from my sons camp

YouTube - Official Black Rock City Garnish 2007

[Lionhawk]

Cooooooooool !!!!!!!!!! I'm am setting up my Roland drum set right now to play along with that. That was a charge and Bless You big time!!!!!! :thumb_yello:

[Stargazer1965]

Hay..I've been to Burning man...I did a whole thread about it

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8964&highlight=burningman

That was the first thread I did here :lmfao:

Here's some fire for you ..from my sons camp

YouTube - Official Black Rock City Garnish 2007 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtYWSzaFRcU)
Synchronicity........

[BROOK]

Get those drums warmed up on the Roland Linohawk..one more for you...(my son is one of the stilt performers)

He's a real Pagan...hahah

YouTube - Official Black Rock City Garnish 2007

[Lionhawk]

SMOKIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Label me a pagan then. A few abductions, some religion, maybe a little sorcery, and some Roland drums and I'm on fire! Got wood too! Thanks Ammit and Stargazer. Finally some Bless-ed light on this thread. Thank-you Brook! Good music for all the Goddesses out there too! :wink2:

[BROOK]

Freedom of expression baby...nothing like it :thumb_yello:

[akopij]

Hello people,
I really like what I’m reading here and feel I can share my experience with you. By this I’m sure to give and take love and wisdom with all of you.
All that is said is a matter of opinion therefore I apologize in advance to those I might hurt or offend. I consider any knowledge as operative concepts, not absolute truth. This thread is about reptilians so let’s begin with that. At about the age of six, I was frightened to death by a predator like creature watching over my bed. I use this picture because I read somewhere here that others encountered the same kind of creature. It was about two meters tall, very large shaped with a scale-like armour, holding a long stick or spear with shamanic features on it. It would stay absolutely still and seemingly waiting for me to fall asleep. When I talked about it with my parents, they didn’t of course had a clue of what it was. I still don’t. My sister is a little more than a year younger, we grew up very close as our family was pretty much letting us take care of ourselves. She was seeing and hearing non physical stuff on a regular basis, as I was but much more for her, and I was the one supposed to calm her and make some sense out of it. What happened is that I couldn’t accept these fairy tales to be “real”, as fitting into the “real adult world”. So by the age of 11 I was totally materialistic and very very depressed. To get to that state of mind, I had to get rid of my invisible friend (that I don’t actually identify with the big watcher), rid of all the cool adventures we had in other worlds, rid of my power to make events happen, etc. One experience I tried that changed my original opinion of how the world works was when I tried to change my dad’s rickety car into a Lamborghini by just thinking hard. It doesn’t work, so the idea that intent has an impact on reality is false, I thought. Before that glorious materialistic period of my life, I was sure that this 3D world we live in is merely the surface of a much more interesting universe where thoughts are not limited by the brain and where the slow things that move in 3D get their impulse from. All I have done since I recognized my mistake, at about 17, has been trying to know what I knew back then. A lot of people helped me, from various horizons, and I’m eternally thankful to them, and I’m also thankful to those who wanted to feed on me, because they taught me stuff I wouldn’t have understand otherwise.

It’s only since a few years that I’m interested in ufos and aliens, but since I read and heard David Jacobs, I understand my sister and I have been abducted all along. There is a little ear implant to remind me. When kids we were terrified by greys and seeing them all the time, especially my sister. I have recollections of various tests and trainings, programming… I meet different beings on particular circumstances. I think if you want something to happen, it’s going to happen no matter what. So you have to be careful what you want. When I started to see “the invisible reality” again, I wanted to know all at once. My openness and call for contact attracted various beings who settled themselves to eat energy out of my body and soul. This was a very painful process during wish I learned how to manage energy flow and direct consciousness to a goal. Without my sister I would be certainly nuts and probably dead. When an entity is trying to eat your soul, it doesn’t really matter if it’s reptilian or anything else, you just want it to stop. Now if you look at things on a more general scale, it is clear that humanity is subject to parasiting by weird demons. Those demons are nothing to be afraid for a simple reason. They are here because we want and need them to. They are the logical consequence of our thoughts and deeds. If I focus on a world where force and brutality is the main causing factor, I’ll just live it. Those “good” aliens outside trying to mutate us, educate us, they’re also present in our mind as thoughtforms focusing on a balanced issue. Not only the tall greys are us from the future, but also, I think, any race that we can “think” of are our past and future, as they are present as potential intelligence on earth and in DNA torsion fields. You can just see it if you imagine for a minute the future of hearthlings. They will disseminate all along the galaxy and universe, along various dimensions and space-time continuums, adaptating and mutating according to environment.

I often feel reptilian. Any life form is a point of view of Creation. Don’t think I don’t have a hard time imagining Rockefeller shapeshifting, but… who knows ? I don’t see a thread on insectoids, but they’re interesting too.


YouTube - Paradox - Aries Maze

[Stargazer1965]

SMOKIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Label me a pagan then. A few abductions, some religion, maybe a little sorcery, and some Roland drums and I'm on fire! Got wood too! Thanks Ammit and Stargazer. Finally some Bless-ed light on this thread. Thank-you Brook! Good music for all the Goddesses out there too! :wink2:

Most welcome LH

[BROOK]

wow...looks like the music worked :thumb_yello:
Thanks for joining us akopij and sharing :wub2:

Lyonhawk is not going to be able to contain himself now..that song is great!

[Antonia]

Beren, you seem to be a lovely person and I am happy that you find your solace in the bible, I do homer that… it’s just I can’t do the same…even though I have read the bible from cover to cover…. here are some reasons why I believe God or the Lord of the bible to be a tyrannical war lord, ET…. And not my God, whom I am very connected to and have a deep spiritual relationship with…




Ritual Human Sacrifice

"At that time the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he went throughout the land of Gilead and Manasseh, including Mizpah in Gilead, and led an army against the Ammonites. And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD. He said, "If you give me victory over the Ammonites, I will give to the LORD the first thing coming out of my house to greet me when I return in triumph. I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering."

"So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the LORD gave him victory. He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to an area near Minnith - twenty towns - and as far away as Abel-keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites. When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter - his only child - ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. "My daughter!" he cried out. "My heart is breaking! What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back." And she said, "Father, you have made a promise to the LORD. You must do to me what you have promised, for the LORD has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites. But first let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin." "You may go," Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never have children. When she returned home, her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah's daughter." Judges 11:29-40


Rules of genicide...
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Gods blood lust…Baby Killing,,,
"The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

God kills the Good Samaritan

"The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals."
"When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God." (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)

Baby Bashing

"Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock." Psalms 137:9 NAB


Child Beating

"He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him takes care to chastise him" (Proverbs 13:24 NAB)

"Chastise your son, for in this there is hope, but do not desire his death. The man of violent temper pays the penalty; even if you rescue him, you will have to do it again." (Proverbs 19:18-19 NAB)

God tells his people to Kill Followers of Other Religions

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst." (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

God demands Murder, Rape, and Pillage at Jabesh-gilead

"So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan."

"The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

"Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes." (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)


David's Punishment More rape, murder and baby killing demanded by God

"Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives (plural) while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'"
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." (The child dies seven days later.) 2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB

Slave Beating

"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property." Exodus 21:20-21 NAB

Sampson and the Spirit of the Lord

"The spirit of the Lord came upon him (Sampson), and he went down to Ashkelon, where he killed thirty of their men and despoiled them; he gave their garments to those who had answered his riddle." (Sampson used the garments to pay off a bet he lost.) Judges 14:19 NAB

Bloody Sabbath God demands death of man for gathering wood.

"While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was discovered gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who caught him at it brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly. But they kept him in custody, for there was no clear decision as to what should be done with him. Then the Lord said to Moses, "This man shall be put to death; let the whole community stone him outside the camp." So the whole community led him outside the camp and stoned him to death as the Lord had commanded Moses." Numbers 15:32-36 NAB

Murder, Rape, Pillage, and Plunder

"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. But these instructions apply only to distant towns, not to the towns of nations nearby. "As for the towns of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as a special possession, destroy every living thing in them. You must completely destroy the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, just as the LORD your God has commanded you. This will keep the people of the land from teaching you their detestable customs in the worship of their gods, which would cause you to sin deeply against the LORD your God." Deuteronomy 20:10-18 NLT

Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites

"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings - Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba - died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho."

"Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves." Numbers 31:7-18 NLT



Burning of temple at Baal (There's nothing like a good church barbeque.)

"Then Jehu called a meeting of all the people of the city and said to them, "Ahab hardly worshiped Baal at all compared to the way I will worship him! Summon all the prophets and worshipers of Baal, and call together all his priests. See to it that every one of them comes, for I am going to offer a great sacrifice to Baal. Any of Baal's worshipers who fail to come will be put to death." But Jehu's plan was to destroy all the worshipers of Baal. Then Jehu ordered, "Prepare a solemn assembly to worship Baal!" So they did. He sent messengers throughout all Israel summoning those who worshiped Baal. They all came and filled the temple of Baal from one end to the other. And Jehu instructed the keeper of the wardrobe, "Be sure that every worshiper of Baal wears one of these robes." So robes were given to them"

"Then Jehu went into the temple of Baal with Jehonadab son of Recab. Jehu said to the worshipers of Baal, "Make sure that only those who worship Baal are here. Don't let anyone in who worships the LORD!" So they were all inside the temple to offer sacrifices and burnt offerings. Now Jehu had surrounded the building with eighty of his men and had warned them, "If you let anyone escape, you will pay for it with your own life."

"As soon as Jehu had finished sacrificing the burnt offering, he commanded his guards and officers, "Go in and kill all of them. Don't let a single one escape!" So they killed them all with their swords, and the guards and officers dragged their bodies outside. Then Jehu's men went into the fortress of the temple of Baal. They dragged out the sacred pillar used in the worship of Baal and destroyed it. They broke down the sacred pillar of Baal and wrecked the temple of Baal, converting it into a public toilet. That is what it is used for to this day." 2 Kings 10:18-27 NLT


Saul’s Kindness???

Saul sent this message to the Kenites: "Move away from where the Amalekites live or else you will die with them. For you were kind to the people of Israel when they came up from Egypt." So the Kenites packed up and left. Then Saul slaughtered the Amalekites from Havilah all the way to Shur, east of Egypt. (1 Samuel 15:6-7 NLT)



Genocide

During this period, Joshua destroyed all the descendants of Anak, who lived in the hill country of Hebron, Debir, Anab, and the entire hill country of Judah and Israel. He killed them all and completely destroyed their towns. Not one was left in all the land of Israel, though some still remained in Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod. So Joshua took control of the entire land, just as the LORD had instructed Moses. He gave it to the people of Israel as their special possession, dividing the land among the tribes. So the land finally had rest from war. (Joshua 11:21-23 NLT)



God hardens hearts and makes people fight the Isralites only to be slaughterd..

So Joshua conquered the entire region – the hill country, the Negev, the land of Goshen, the western foothills, the Jordan Valley, and the mountains and lowlands of Israel. The Israelite territory now extended all the way from Mount Halak, which leads up to Seir, to Baal-gad at the foot of Mount Hermon in the valley of Lebanon. Joshua killed all the kings of those territories, waging war for a long time to accomplish this. No one in this region made peace with the Israelites except the Hivites of Gibeon. All the others were defeated. For the LORD hardened their hearts and caused them to fight the Israelites instead of asking for peace. So they were completely and mercilessly destroyed, as the LORD had commanded Moses. (Joshua 11:16-20 NLT)




Whole Towns Murdered at the bequest of God

The Canaanite king of Arad, who lived in the Negev, heard that the Israelites were approaching on the road to Atharim. So he attacked the Israelites and took some of them as prisoners. Then the people of Israel made this vow to the LORD: "If you will help us conquer these people, we will completely destroy all their towns." The LORD heard their request and gave them victory over the Canaanites. The Israelites completely destroyed them and their towns, and the place has been called Hormah ever since. (Numbers 21:1-3 NLT)




God’s psychotic Wrath

Weep and moan, you evil shepherds! Roll in the dust, you leaders of the flock! The time of your slaughter has arrived; you will fall and shatter like fragile pottery. You will find no place to hide; there will be no way to escape. Listen to the frantic cries of the shepherds, to the leaders of the flock shouting in despair, for the LORD is spoiling their pastures. Peaceful meadows will be turned into a wasteland by the LORD's fierce anger. He has left his den like a lion seeking its prey, and their land will be made desolate by the sword of the enemy and the LORD's fierce anger. (Jeremiah 25:34-38 NLT)




God Slaughter’s countless people///

In that day those the LORD has slaughtered will fill the earth from one end to the other. No one will mourn for them or gather up their bodies to bury them. They will be scattered like dung on the ground. (Jeremiah 25:33 NLT)



The Cup of Anger God insights hate and anger

Then the LORD, the God of Israel, said to me, "Take from my hand this cup filled to the brim with my anger, and make all the nations to whom I send you drink from it. When they drink from it, they will stagger, crazed by the warfare I will send against them." (Jeremiah 25:15-16 NLT)



Complete Destruction

And now the LORD Almighty says: Because you have not listened to me, I will gather together all the armies of the north under King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, whom I have appointed as my deputy. I will bring them all against this land and its people and against the other nations near you. I will completely destroy you and make you an object of horror and contempt and a ruin forever. I will take away your happy singing and laughter. The joyful voices of bridegrooms and brides will no longer be heard. Your businesses will fail, and all your homes will stand silent and dark. This entire land will become a desolate wasteland. (Jeremiah 25:8-11 NLT)

[RedeZra]

RedeZra stated,
"We know Him as Jesus the Personification of the Spirit within the Christ".

"We", is who exactly? Someone in the past that actually knew him?
But do you really "know him"? Or do you "know of him" through the so called word? Big difference. One is first hand and the other is second hand.

The question has been place in this thread for a reason. I know of you but do I know you? Something to ponder.......



I know what you mean ...and it is a ponder


How would we know about Him if not for the written words in the good Book

How could we cultivate some relation with Him if we did not read about Him


If we only listen to what other people tell us about Him - friends family internet school and church - the situation and the messenger will color our perception of Him


Who is He

that is a mystery for each one of us to unravel or ignore

what we fancy and believe Him to be or not to be determines our relation with Him and others but it does not change who He is

if some believes Him to be the Spirit an ET or a mere mortal - still its just constructions of some mind - it tells us more about the constructor himself and his belief system values and ideals


He is what He is and He is Accessible

It matters not when we call

if we believe Him to be in Heaven Sirius or Within

He will Hear

[beren]

[QUOTE=Antonia;180083]Beren, you seem to be a lovely person and I am happy that you find your solace in the bible, I do homer that… it’s just I can’t do the same…even though I have read the bible from cover to cover…. here are some reasons why I believe God or the Lord of the bible to be a tyrannical war lord, ET…. And not my God, whom I am very connected to and have a deep spiritual relationship with…





Thank you for your honest opinion.
I see what you mean when quoting that and it is perfectly fine. But all you need to do is read it again , forget about sermons from churches and read the book . The context is the key for understanding.

There is crystal clear reason for every single thing you quote from the Bible. But you need to explore deeply why God ordered Israel to exterminate entire nations, why God said and ordered other things which for us today looks awful.
We have to understand how badly the situation was in that times with Israel and surrounding nations. Israel was barely above them in sanity and conscience. You see when you read old testament that Israel falls easily into trap of demon worshiping,human sacrificing,sexual orgies, sorcery and many more evil things which was quite common among all nations around them.

We have to understand that if a body is very sick and endangered and requires urgent surgery to remove threats such as gangrene in order to be saved, an urgent measures must be taken. Weed must be rooted out in order for a wheat to flourish.

That is why it is stated that old testament a Mosaic law was a care taker which lead to Christ. When Christ came he brought a clear message from God: :"It is enough with elementary school, it is time to finally grow up and learn to be human without me forcing you as some ignorants. If you wanted from the begging to be enlightened and not to be stubborn, harsh measures would never be there. But It took me thousands of years to teach you basic things like not to have sex with an animal or with your sister or any other abominations as the other nations were practicing that. But you were terribly slow learners! Now it is enough! " Jesus gave the message and now we can seek salvation through him , not through Mosaic law. Bible is giving us clear view into conscience of that time-people. It is like documentary of what was happening in the past and how people actually grew or did not grow in in their awareness...Beautiful example was when God sent prophet Jonas to preach destruction of the city of Nineveh in Assyria. Jonas told them that and went on one hill to see what will happen. People of that city were very evil but they repented and the city was spared. But Jonas was angry because God did not kill them all and he was then taught a lesson from God that for God every life is precious and life of animals and of every living creature too. Jonas had to learn a lesson and not to be stubborn and over proud . Later in history that city was destroyed because people chose again to be evil...Bible is not sugar coating or mis leading ,it aways tells the truth. Sometimes we can not bear it . Sometimes we are to poised with our own weakness that we can`t stand the truth in the particular moment.

Re read it again and again, whatever is not clear, write it down and while reading and comparing and connecting the dots you will find answers.
The biggest lie of Satan is to actually blame God for his own evil deeds and things, for his own provocations and later blaming God for that.

Some things I do not understand too, like you but I found many answers through years and all came perfectly clear.
Some things are still to be explained but I don`t want to jump to conclusions...

One thing is sure religion has basically done ill favor to Bible ,especially "churchianity"... Because of them many blame God and Bible . That is one of heavier punches by Satan towards people and God...

[Wormhole]

Hello, I welcome myself back to the thread. Phew!

Folks I've just been through an interesting encounter, and my resolve is even clearer. The more blocks on the road, the more motivated I become. Wow, so much has happened in the last few days here on the thread. Please bear with me while I catch up! Thank you for your patience.

First let me welcome Akopij, thank you for your stories and your truth. I honor you for your courage and words.

Antonia: What a breath of fresh air you are! Have you read any Elaine Pagels (one of my personal favorites)? Thank you for clearing the air and being in truth.

Everyone else, I wink in your general direction...

SOOOO...
Here's the scoop. As many of you know I've been working on a side project. I am going to make a small announcement here regarding it. I have recently been involved with a group of health professionals and activists that are taking our issue seriously. When I say "our" issue, I am speaking of the issue of contact and non-consensual experimentation (military and alien).

If you are one of these people, I am currently collecting stories, past and most importantly recent; this is the first step to a future that will can connect us to professional help. These professionals will not judge us to be NUTS or Bipolar. They understand and believe that we are real people who are dealing with a reality... Just what that reality is, we do not know.

This process can help us find out what's going on, help us find solidarity and eventually treatment if you are in trauma. I assure you that an open mind is what these stories are being greeted with. All can remain anonymous. If you want to go there, you need to take the leap of faith and email me at worm.hole7@gmail.com

If you are a counselor, I would be happy to direct you to this resource if you have an earnest interest in helping people. Perhaps you may want to join in, if you have not already done so.

Big hugs...
More later.
Peace of mind, strength of Heart,
Wormhole

ps. Thank you Warriors of the thread.:wink2:

[RedeZra]

the Parent


to all the children in all the worlds

is the Standard of Love and Truth

and wants all the children to live up to it


adolescents are not so big on authority

and will challenge it and try change it

and associates with bad company


what will the Parent do ?


Conform the rules to the adolescents and lower the Standard to the children and to how low ?

Confront the rules to the adolescents and set an example of Chastisement ?


It seems harsh that the Parent wants the death of its children for various transgressions for the restoration of the Standard and the harmony of the Family - but remember we are not the body and we do not die - when the Parent is involved in the removal of some of the children from the earth before they do greater damage to themselves and others - they are brought closer to Home and taught a lesson in Love and Truth

[Antonia]

Sorry but the bible may have a few loving messages hidden amongst all the descriptions of highly technologically advanced people flying in the sky and using weapons and abducting Earth Humans… Elijah… Enoch…to name a few… and mixing with earth peoples genetics and trying to controle people … through fear structures… but it’s just Aliens to me… even angels were called Travelers and Watchers in direct Hebrew to English translations… they walked on the ground slept in beds and sat and eat with humans … they were tall and Blond that’s how they distinguished them apart from earth humans… even in Sodom and Gomorrah, Three angels come and spend the night with Lot. The people of the city were demented and shagging any thing that moved at that point and noticed these good looking strangers… They came to Lot’s housee and demanded that Lot release the angels so they could Know them (Shag them).. Lot is horrified and offers his daughters instead… the people say no and take the angels and rape them…. That’s why they nuke the place the next day in revenge for being Sodomised and raped… these angels were flesh and blood… ET’s Nordic Blonds..

I would find the material below far more believable and all encompassing in explaining the Earth drama and the events long before the bible , during the bible and up to now…





Here’s the last one first…

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4316053577070064505#docid=31827590 37509881698


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4316053577070064505#

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Earth+History+2+of+4&emb=0#

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Earth+History+2+of+4&emb=0#q=Earth+History+3+of+4&emb=0

[Lionhawk]

Antonia said,

"Here’s the last one first…"

This sounds like Anna Hayes. If you are a New Age subscriber, be fore warned that she cuts to the chase and you might not like her take on the New Age as compared to what is really going on in the present reality. In other words, how can I say this without coming on to strong, she doesn't subscribe to the warm and fuzzy take on things. I hope no one takes offense as to how I put that and I was being very sincere when I said it. I feel like I'm walking on egg shells, here.

[orthodoxymoron]

I agree with you Antonia...there is a huge God problem. In the past...preachers glossed over the problem areas...and accentuated the positives...but this is getting harder to do. The whole thing is a house of cards. The God of the Bible is sort of a Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde. I try to focus on the actual Teachings of Jesus. This solves a lot of the problems...but not all of them. I'm trying to build upon the concept of Constitutional Responsible Freedom in the context of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System. This may sound hokey...but I think this is heading in the right direction...at least. It is my alternative to a Draconian Universal Church. I might have this wrong...but this is what I presently think. I'm trying to test the theory here in Avaland...but so far, there hasn't been much interest. Perhaps we'll have to do the New World Order thing for a few thousand years before we wise-up. Jordan Maxwell seemed to feel that it's pretty much a done-deal.

I like listening to these Anna Hayes recordings...but I don't know how much of it is true. I don't get into the Merkaba or reprogramming stuff. I just like to try to figure out what the true story is regarding universal history. I keep hearing and sensing that it's a very violent and sad history. Hopefully the future will be much better...but I'm not optimistic regarding the near future...even though I don't subscribe to the book of Revelation. We can do better than that.

[RedeZra]

the teachings of Jesus in the NT sound sensible

and He seemed to know what He was talking about

and spiced His story with some miracles as well


but we pick and choose what we like in the story

we conform His words to our liking and understanding

for the Bible is faulty we say and altered and we know best what He really ment

ludicrous


He talked about the Father and Satan and angels and demons - not alien reptiles nordic whatever

if its not angelic it is demonic

the NWO are of course presenting the demons as extraterrestrials so as to camouflage their infernal nature

[mudra]

Friends,

My post on the original reptilian encounters thread created havoc and turmoil.
Close and distant friends underwent suffering as a consequence of this.
Those who know me well know this was not my intention.
I can understand however how for other people the lightness of spirit with which I adressed
an otherwise serious topic has been taken as a sign of malice and disrespect.
Would I still be able to edit on the original thread I would remove my post there.
I apogolize for a move of mine that I now see was irrelevant and unwise.
I feel I had no place on your reptilian encounters thread LionHawk.
I have spoken on a subject I had no subjective reality about .
My words therefore were irrelevant.
Again to you LionHawk and all those concerned my apologies .


Love Always
mudra

[beren]

I would find the material below far more believable and all encompassing in explaining the Earth drama and the events long before the bible , during the bible and up to now…



The thing is not to find fa more believeable material in search of truth.
Truth is not sugar coated. Sometimes we can not stand it or take it. On other times we just click with it.
It does not change the fact that we can not bend the truth according to our own liking or emotions owhat we would like to hear.

Trust me for the last couple of years I have been exploring ,digging and reading about all this , but as more I was exploring the more I saw deceit in all those videos, books and threads everywhere. Sometimes you hear one thing from one author and tomorrow he says different things!

Always remember , Lucifer AKA Satan AKA Devil use deceit in humongous ways in order to deceive all humanity, every single one of us.

Fight the darkness with light and love,

Love and blessings ,

Beren

[Unified Serenity]

the teachings of Jesus in the NT sound sensible
and He seemed to know what He was talking about
and spiced His story with some miracles as well
but we pick and choose what we like in the story
we conform His words to our liking and understanding
for the Bible is faulty we say and altered and we know best what He really ment
ludicrous
He talked about the Father and Satan and angels and demons - not alien reptiles nordic whatever
if its not angelic it is demonic
the NWO are of course presenting the demons as extraterrestrials so as to camouflage their infernal nature

**WARNING LONG RANT**


Yes, the people 2000 years ago were so much more open and enlightened than we knuckle draggers of today! Here here, just come out, tell the people who have worshipped an Unseen God, Angels, and feared demons that these beings are from those dots in the sky and took some body tissue mixed it with theirs (sorcery) and made humans. That some of them look like large bi-pedal iguanas, and others like an assortment of beings, yes, that would have gone over, well, like a LEAD balloon!

Come on, Paul can't even talk about sex openly in Ephesians 5, Moses can't talk about sex openly in Deuteronomy (some still think to look upon your father's nakedness is terrible and don't know that it means to have sex with your father's wife), that Ezekiel spoke of an encounter with a UFO by using COMMON every day language of a wheel on it's side that when it when up the people in it's eyes (windows) went up! HOLY COW... a cart wheel that fly's on it's side, how unique.

I used to be a major bible thumping christian (born again recovering Catholic) and I have wrested with my indoctrination for years. I have always loved God, never understood mean and selfish people, forsook a worldly career after graduating from university and studied the bible, Torah, Tanach, Midrash, Targum, Hebrew, Greek, and Chaldea for some 8 years. I've read all of AW Tozer's works, many of Watchman Nee, EW Bullinger and Messianic Judaism. I witnessed Demons, performed exorcisms, baptised too many to count, led many more in salvation prayer, and performed healings all as a vessel of God in Jesus / Yeshua's name. I say I did these things, but I take no glory for it was by the Divine love of God that all these things happened and at that time were for a Divine purpose. Why do I share all this with those here who have a definite desire to see those of us who do not fully embrace the bible as defacto truth in all it's words? Because, I think there are definite problems in how the God of the OT acts schizophrenic compared to the God of the NT.

Yes, there is great spiritual truth in the bible. I do believe in much of it's prophecy, but at the same time from my long arduous studying it does show a message that has been twisted in some places. Truth is truth no matter the age it is given. There are too many examples particularly in the OT of a God who is cruel, evil, uncaring, sadistic, and blood thirsty that are the complete opposite of an unconditionally loving God who is no respecter of persons in the NT.

Maybe you are just sharing your beliefs, but it has a distinct flavor of proselytizing to me. I don't think that the people here who have devoted years to their spiritual paths, studied as intently in esoteric areas and ancient history are going to be lulled into following the idea that we have just got to re-read the bible and accept that we don't understand how important it was to kill all the animals, to rape the girls, kill all the children in order to protect the weak stiff necked children of God who were hell bent on not following all his demands.

Taking a breath, putting on some gentle music and centering.

Unified Serenity

[Stargazer1965]

**WARNING LONG RANT**
Yes, the people 2000 years ago were so much more open and enlightened than we knuckle draggers of today! Here here, just come out, tell the people who have worshipped an Unseen God, Angels, and feared demons that these beings are from those dots in the sky and took some body tissue mixed it with theirs (sorcery) and made humans. That some of them look like large bi-pedal iguanas, and others like an assortment of beings, yes, that would have gone over, well, like a LEAD balloon!
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Unified Serenity

U.S.......Excellent POST!!

I think we needed the ranting.....I've had a problem with some of the recent postings and posters.

We have seemed to take a religious turn lately and not a spiritual one.

I was raised roman catholic and I have not witnessed more hypocrisy in my 44 years than those doled out by nuns and priests.

I really do believe Satan is running the Vatican and snickered as the nuns beat us and the priests chased little boys and girls.

I would rant on but that's behind.....what's ahead??

Since we are getting more of the "bible believers" that means they are looking for more truth than what they are finding in the BOOK.

I lost the GOD of the bible and starting believing in a creator force ( man...woman...reptile....lava lamp doesn't matter)

Like U.S. says...Truth is truth...written on a fortune cookie or the ingredients of Jello.

It comes out and when you hear it....it makes your soul (22 grams) stand up and say "THERE..THERE...right there!!!"

Where we are getting lost is that it's so freaking NOISY....the voice gets drowned out by the news shows...the ads...and folks telling you what the truth is and what you can believe.

You have to quiet yourself and soul check what's going on.....Everyone waving signs in your face of DOOM..GLOOM..DEATH...DESTRUCTION!!!!!

Put the signs down folks....I'm not a tree hugger ....I see myself as a fighter...a warrior.

But I'm swinging at an enemy I can't see or feel and I keep knocking out the folks around me I care about.

I have to trust....now there's a hard word.

In a group like ours....we are here because we gave up trusting everything being fed to us....

RELIGION
NEWS
GOVT

we stopped.

Now it's time to trust ourselves...each other...and to listen to our 22 grams of creator and move forward.

Peace everyone!!

[Ammit]

Well done both of you, great posts and were much better then what I was going to put up.

[BROOK]

Where we are getting lost is that it's so freaking NOISY....the voice gets drowned out by the news shows...the ads...and folks telling you what the truth is and what you can believe.

You have to quiet yourself and soul check what's going on


It's the frequency war that Carol opened this thread with :thumb_yello:

[BROOK]

Hello, I welcome myself back to the thread. Phew!

Folks I've just been through an interesting encounter, and my resolve is even clearer. The more blocks on the road, the more motivated I become. Wow, so much has happened in the last few days here on the thread. Please bear with me while I catch up! Thank you for your patience.

First let me welcome Akopij, thank you for your stories and your truth. I honor you for your courage and words.

Antonia: What a breath of fresh air you are! Have you read any Elaine Pagels (one of my personal favorites)? Thank you for clearing the air and being in truth.

Everyone else, I wink in your general direction...

SOOOO...
Here's the scoop. As many of you know I've been working on a side project. I am going to make a small announcement here regarding it. I have recently been involved with a group of health professionals and activists that are taking our issue seriously. When I say "our" issue, I am speaking of the issue of contact and non-consensual experimentation (military and alien).

If you are one of these people, I am currently collecting stories, past and most importantly recent; this is the first step to a future that will can connect us to professional help. These professionals will not judge us to be NUTS or Bipolar. They understand and believe that we are real people who are dealing with a reality... Just what that reality is, we do not know.

This process can help us find out what's going on, help us find solidarity and eventually treatment if you are in trauma. I assure you that an open mind is what these stories are being greeted with. All can remain anonymous. If you want to go there, you need to take the leap of faith and email me at worm.hole7@gmail.com

If you are a counselor, I would be happy to direct you to this resource if you have an earnest interest in helping people. Perhaps you may want to join in, if you have not already done so.

Big hugs...
More later.
Peace of mind, strength of Heart,
Wormhole

ps. Thank you Warriors of the thread.:wink2:

Thanks Worm hole...keep us posted :thumb_yello:

[BROOK]

Maybe you are just sharing your beliefs, but it has a distinct flavor of proselytizing to me. I don't think that the people here who have devoted years to their spiritual paths, studied as intently in esoteric areas and ancient history are going to be lulled into following the idea that we have just got to re-read the bible and accept that we don't understand how important it was to kill all the animals, to rape the girls, kill all the children in order to protect the weak stiff necked children of God who were hell bent on not following all his demands.

Taking a breath, putting on some gentle music and centering.

Unified Serenity

Breathe :wub2: Well said :wub2:

[RedeZra]

**WARNING LONG RANT**

Maybe you are just sharing your beliefs, but it has a distinct flavor of proselytizing to me. I don't think that the people here who have devoted years to their spiritual paths, studied as intently in esoteric areas and ancient history are going to be lulled into following the idea that we have just got to re-read the bible and accept that we don't understand how important it was to kill all the animals, to rape the girls, kill all the children in order to protect the weak stiff necked children of God who were hell bent on not following all his demands.

Taking a breath, putting on some gentle music and centering.

Unified Serenity


Yes Im sharing my beliefs based on research and experiences like everybody else

Im just responding to what I read and Im not expecting to sway anybody over to my beliefs with what I write

If people cannot tackle talk about the Bible they will just have to skip that post or respond


the discrepancy between the OT and the NT is plain for all to see and stirs strong opinions and emotions

some toss out the OT some the NT and some burns the Book from cover to cover

fine fine do what you want but have the decency to accept there are those that keep the Book


it is unfortunate that the Bible does not speak so much about the Spirit the celestial and the infernal spheres - it is almost terrestrial exclusive except some clues like for example the wheel of Elijah

it is not so out of the question and unimaginable that there are devices of transportation both in the celestial and the infernal

you are right if you want to read and study the art of sex the Bible is not such a good source lol

about angels and demons - it seems they are capable to manifest and appear before humans and can probably take on whatever form they want what suits the situation or what resembles them

demon possessions are recurring and common themes - why so - maybe they like to have human bodies and now they might actually be working and experiencing with making earthly bodies for themselves

shoot - I have an explanation for everything lol

[RedeZra]

I think we needed the ranting.....I've had a problem with some of the recent postings and posters.

Hey dont drag me into your problems lol


We have seemed to take a religious turn lately and not a spiritual one.

I was raised roman catholic and I have not witnessed more hypocrisy in my 44 years than those doled out by nuns and priests.

I really do believe Satan is running the Vatican and snickered as the nuns beat us and the priests chased little boys and girls.

I believe so too

I would rant on but that's behind.....what's ahead??

Since we are getting more of the "bible believers" that means they are looking for more truth than what they are finding in the BOOK.

sure some are not stubborn and of narrow mind

I lost the GOD of the bible and starting believing in a creator force ( man...woman...reptile....lava lamp doesn't matter)

Its the same

Like U.S. says...Truth is truth...written on a fortune cookie or the ingredients of Jello.

yes and it does not mean we comprehend it

It comes out and when you hear it....it makes your soul (22 grams) stand up and say "THERE..THERE...right there!!!"

could be the mind too you know can you tell the difference at all times

Where we are getting lost is that it's so freaking NOISY....the voice gets drowned out by the news shows...the ads...and folks telling you what the truth is and what you can believe.

in the serene silence of our own soul when we do not speak and do not think it might come to us

You have to quiet yourself and soul check what's going on.....Everyone waving signs in your face of DOOM..GLOOM..DEATH...DESTRUCTION!!!!!

Put the signs down folks....I'm not a tree hugger ....I see myself as a fighter...a warrior.

But I'm swinging at an enemy I can't see or feel and I keep knocking out the folks around me I care about.

put on the gloves of compassion and forbearance in case you hit it wont hurt

I have to trust....now there's a hard word.

trust the still space within yourself and be sound sceptic to everything

In a group like ours....we are here because we gave up trusting everything being fed to us....

RELIGION
NEWS
GOVT

we stopped.

Now it's time to trust ourselves...each other...and to listen to our 22 grams of creator and move forward.

oh a philosopher too nicee

Peace everyone!!




Yes let's be proponents of peace amist the differences we encounter on our journeys toward the great Peace

[BROOK]

At Burning man..they burn the "man"..then on the last day they burn the Temple of forgiveness....on the temple people put their most sacred thoughts...the grief of losing a loved one, whatever is in their hearts. The burn is for the release and forgiveness ...this is the only burn that crates a whirlwind tunnel...a vortex if you will.




Notice how quiet 40 thousand people are

http://images.burningman.com/gallery/pmattf.35329.jpg

YouTube - Burning Man 2008 Temple Burn w/ Dust Devils

[beren]

Yes Im sharing my beliefs based on research and experiences like everybody else

Im just responding to what I read and Im not expecting to sway anybody over to my beliefs with what I write

If people cannot tackle talk about the Bible they will just have to skip that post or respond


the discrepancy between the OT and the NT is plain for all to see and stirs strong opinions and emotions

some toss out the OT some the NT and some burns the Book from cover to cover

fine fine do what you want but have the decency to accept there are those that keep the Book


it is unfortunate that the Bible does not speak so much about the Spirit the celestial and the infernal spheres - it is almost terrestrial exclusive except some clues like for example the wheel of Elijah

it is not so out of the question and unimaginable that there are devices of transportation both in the celestial and the infernal




This reminds me of a quite common situation. For example you have the extra payed job. You worked hard for 25 years and now finally you are in position to earn 300000$ annually.
You earned it with your hard work, better performance on your job with each year passing by , with your better quality of everything connected with that work. Also you invested time ,25 years, to upgrade from starting 25000$ to now 300000$...

Suddenly a new employee sees how you run things smoothly and how it is "easy" the thing what you do perfectly and he now want your wage! He doesn`t want to start with 25000$ but wishes your 300000$ NOW!!!
Without learning, hard work, effort or else, he wants that salary now or else he is not interested...

What would you think about that new employee???
Well :original:
beside harsh words you would probably say: " wait a second fella`... you want WHAT??? WTF??? Pardon my *(^&*(&..."

It maybe sounds over simplified but that`s the way with us ,humans.

I think that Bible is not telling many things to us now, just basics . It gives glimpses and peeks in what is out there but it does not gives all.
Why?

Simply we can not have all that exalted and high thing on this stage of our conscience.
Simply we`re too young and still too ignorant.
Would you give your brand new Rolls-Royce to a four year old kid and say:" go take a drive." ????

Would you give your infant a lightener and say play with it?
Would you give your child a sharp knife and let him play?

Would you throw your non swimming child into a pool and carelessly sit beside watching him how he/she is learning to swim???

Would you leave your teenagers with 30000$ cash and empty house for a week?

Would you allow your kid to harass other kids with words that it`s OK for him/her in order to learn?

Would you allow your kid to burn the house just to see how is it?


Answer is certain-NO.

So my understanding is that -no matter that we think we know, now, we are still kids in deep need of growing up.
All that things will be given to us one day, but we need to grow up first and to finally be aware and see.

How many people in the world,do you think , are at least talking about all that we talk on this forum???

0.0001 %
Why?

They are ignorant and they don`t care about this but still they would like fancy technology, weapons and vehicles to travel the stars and yet they didn`t learn how to wipe their ass so far! :wall:

But at least people on this forum and some on other areas in this world are trying to move from mud , to actually do something and that is encouraging!
:-)

[deb003]

[QUOTE=Antonia;180083]Beren, you seem to be a lovely person and I am happy that you find your solace in the bible, I do homer that… it’s just I can’t do the same…even though I have read the bible from cover to cover…. here are some reasons why I believe God or the Lord of the bible to be a tyrannical war lord, ET…. And not my God, whom I am very connected to and have a deep spiritual relationship with…





Thank you for your honest opinion.
I see what you mean when quoting that and it is perfectly fine. But all you need to do is read it again , forget about sermons from churches and read the book . The context is the key for understanding.

There is crystal clear reason for every single thing you quote from the Bible. But you need to explore deeply why God ordered Israel to exterminate entire nations, why God said and ordered other things which for us today looks awful.
We have to understand how badly the situation was in that times with Israel and surrounding nations. Israel was barely above them in sanity and conscience. You see when you read old testament that Israel falls easily into trap of demon worshiping,human sacrificing,sexual orgies, sorcery and many more evil things which was quite common among all nations around them.

We have to understand that if a body is very sick and endangered and requires urgent surgery to remove threats such as gangrene in order to be saved, an urgent measures must be taken. Weed must be rooted out in order for a wheat to flourish.

That is why it is stated that old testament a Mosaic law was a care taker which lead to Christ. When Christ came he brought a clear message from God: :"It is enough with elementary school, it is time to finally grow up and learn to be human without me forcing you as some ignorants. If you wanted from the begging to be enlightened and not to be stubborn, harsh measures would never be there. But It took me thousands of years to teach you basic things like not to have sex with an animal or with your sister or any other abominations as the other nations were practicing that. But you were terribly slow learners! Now it is enough! " Jesus gave the message and now we can seek salvation through him , not through Mosaic law. Bible is giving us clear view into conscience of that time-people. It is like documentary of what was happening in the past and how people actually grew or did not grow in in their awareness...Beautiful example was when God sent prophet Jonas to preach destruction of the city of Nineveh in Assyria. Jonas told them that and went on one hill to see what will happen. People of that city were very evil but they repented and the city was spared. But Jonas was angry because God did not kill them all and he was then taught a lesson from God that for God every life is precious and life of animals and of every living creature too. Jonas had to learn a lesson and not to be stubborn and over proud . Later in history that city was destroyed because people chose again to be evil...Bible is not sugar coating or mis leading ,it aways tells the truth. Sometimes we can not bear it . Sometimes we are to poised with our own weakness that we can`t stand the truth in the particular moment.

Re read it again and again, whatever is not clear, write it down and while reading and comparing and connecting the dots you will find answers.
The biggest lie of Satan is to actually blame God for his own evil deeds and things, for his own provocations and later blaming God for that.

Some things I do not understand too, like you but I found many answers through years and all came perfectly clear.
Some things are still to be explained but I don`t want to jump to conclusions...

One thing is sure religion has basically done ill favor to Bible ,especially "churchianity"... Because of them many blame God and Bible . That is one of heavier punches by Satan towards people and God...


Beren,
have you read or watched interviews with John Todd?
he is a former illuminati music manager and he turned to christianity and exposed what he knew. he only lived until 33 years old. It seems they got to him.
Well, he mentions that many parts in the bible are not speaking of God but the really the god of satan or the nephilim, which is why there is so much confusion. He discussed that the new testament and what jesus was saying is more truth but that the bible itself is not referring to a universal god but Satan or other gods.

[eleni]

Adding this to the confusion- a good read IMHO

http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

[beren]

[quote=beren;180088]


Beren,
have you read or watched interviews with John Todd?
he is a former illuminati music manager and he turned to christianity and exposed what he knew. he only lived until 33 years old. It seems they got to him.
Well, he mentions that many parts in the bible are not speaking of God but the really the god of satan or the nephilim, which is why there is so much confusion. He discussed that the new testament and what jesus was saying is more truth but that the bible itself is not referring to a universal god but Satan or other gods.



I didn`t . Do you have any link?
With Illuminati all is possible. Whole their organization is structured on fear, lies and half truths.
I would not be surprised that they fed him up with a lot of dis info.
The problem with Bible is that rarely it is read. People tend to speculate and speak with hear -say style regarding to Bible.

Also whole Bible has a one line structure and a story through out whole book.
Basically Bible means a group of books, 66 of them ,Catholics have more in their Bibles.

So it is a collection of writing of 40 different authors and it was written in 1500 year period of time.
Amazing thing is that all books inside synchronize. Even Jesus stated that every single word from Bible will fulfill.
Also Bible is the most translated piece of work on Earth and in the same time the most mis understood, hated, burned, or ill -taken writing on Earth.

I like to talk about it since it is worthy. Many people draw few sentences from it and go make their own conclusions.
Religion has been using Bible as their cloak in order to fool people and rule them. They use certain passages from Bible and mix then with their own teachings and lay upon people with words: " GOD WANTS YOU TO DO THIS-UNLESS HE WILL PUNISH YOU! "
No wonder why people blame God then.
That `s why I am saying to look beyond religion, pastors, priests and rest. To look through religious man made dogma when reading Bible.
It is so much more than it was represented by religions today.

I will not repeat my self here again but one I will say, there is every reason for every word that was written there.
If we do not know the whole facts why something was done there in that past time, do we have a right to judge that?

Anyways no matter what I or some others here write, I will be labeled as religious freak, preacher, bible believer or whatever.
I simply do not care because I am not any of above .

Jesus said there is only one who will be as a bridge between Father and man and that is Jesus Christ.
Did he mention religion,clergy,priesthood,philosophy,teachings,po litics,empires,societies,congregations,or any thing else?
No.
Simple as that.
Can we take it as simple as it is?

Or we need "complicated" things ,astral projections,demons,reptilians,philosophies ,eastern teachings,ayahasca, drugs,ET`s,grays, Nordics or anything imaginable under this sky to tell us that black is actually black, and that white is really white???

I don`t wish to sound rude or as know all guy... I am just asking sound question with healthy thinking...

Love and blessings to all! :original:

Beren

[Stargazer1965]

Yes let's be proponents of peace amist the differences we encounter on our journeys toward the great Peace

I guess we aren't that different.....and we all have a common enemy.

Now can someone tell me what he looks like...where he\she is....are they human...are the a reptile half breed.....a blue blood...

:shocked:

[Unified Serenity]

[quote=deb003;180330]

So it is a collection of writing of 40 different authors and it was written in 1500 year period of time.
Amazing thing is that all books inside synchronize. Even Jesus stated that every single word from Bible will fulfill.
Also Bible is the most translated piece of work on Earth and in the same time the most mis understood, hated, burned, or ill -taken writing on Earth.

Beren

Beren,

The bible he spoke of is the Tanach. Have you ever read the Tanach in it's original language or studied it's Hebrew idioms and culture? The codification was in 326 AD and they tossed out much of what the people were accepting as sacred scripture. The Gnostics were completely ignored. Sure the bible is the most translated book. If the one world worshipping group is going to change it, use it to control the people of course they would make sure it was printed in every language and there were plenty of missionaries to carry around and preach the "good news".

Many who have come out of the Illuminati will tell how our biggest religious leaders in Christianity are Luciferians. How they either witnessed or were victims of these sadistic liars, these white washed tombs, and den of vipers.

I think Jesus knew exactly who he was dealing with, and that is why they killed him. He called them imposters, Kenites, sons of the devil, and guilty of all the blood sacrifices of the prophets of God from Abel to Zacharias on the Portico of Solomon. He revealed a great deal, and few have eyes to see the truth.

The bible is written on three levels. One to those who are only able to digest milk, one for those who can digest more solid food, and others who can handle meat. For the Illuminati, they have a funny rule. They can't do anything without saying what they are doing. They said so in the bible, twisted things, and hid them in plain sight, but few are they who will give themselves to study of it and fewer are they who can see the beautifully woven truth and what is planned.

I have zero fear for the future. I welcome it, and look forward to it because of what I know will happen. Recent dreams have given me more reason to feel we are very close at hand.

Beren, I bid you peace and hope you find what you re looking for.

US

[Kinsuemei2]

My first encounter was a trial by fire, my guides are not Nordic, my guides are very different, I was told my guides that I needed to purge my self doubt and cleanse my soul of it's anxiety.

Now after hurricane Wilma,in 2005 in Ft Lauder dale many things happened to me, I had an incident in which I was sat by a small lake at night meditating.
I used to fight, that was my trade and spirituality was my medium.

On this night I started to smell something very bad, and it was just like off meat, and given the amount of raccoons and possums we have in this part of town, you find most of the wildlife unfortunately strewn across the roadside.

Well I tried to ignore this, as discomfort whilst meditation is a good mental training apparatus, well I heard my guides tell me that I should really check this out as it would be beneficial, now I have to say that MY guides are cryptic, they can give me advice, or phrases that make no sense right away, and then further down the line in my life, I figure it out, or upon deep reflection I can see what they are referring to.

But I have never been steered wrong and indeed I do owe these two small beings my life. So I started to wander around the lake and it was around 11:30pm and where we were staying was right next to the lake, our apartment was declared a disaster zone by FEMA and 376 residents had to leave in one day, so we ended up at a hotel in which we paid 300 a week for without any power. But this night was night a little breezy and I could see the stars.

So here I am walking around the lake and I suddenly felt a wonderful calm sensation, it was amazing, it was better than any meditation experience or even good night sleep, I felt peaceful, then I saw a large figure stood under a tree, I knew that I was startled but I still felt this calm, until this figure stepped into the moon light, and its skin was look like an armadillos literally, a grayish color and the eyes appeared to be deep set.
As this thing started to almost glide towards me, it moved very majestically I felt a sensation of just power, sheer power, i can not put this into words, because there are none, and I was in full control of my mind, just not how I felt. And then it changed it lunged forwards and grabbed my arm it bent down to me, I am only 5,9 this thing was at least 7,4 and I smelt its breath, it was horrible a sulphurish off egg kind of scent. I do not know why it did not attack I was told if I ever encountered this to put my palms flat and back away, well I only had one arm free, he had the other arm and i felt immense pressure on this arm and then. he spoke in my mind this booming voice that hurt, it feels like a drill into your brain, I was just overcome with emotion, but i could not feel fear, then he started to get angry and he grabbed my other arm, and I could feel his anger and he spoke again, now i have no idea what he said to this day, because it was complete gibberish, it sounded like a language but I have not heard anything like it before this.

I was sure at this point I was done, I had actually resigned myself to thinking I am a dead man, it's over, but I felt him calm a little and gently let my arms go place his palms in front of me and backed away, and as he did so I felt overwhelming amounts of fear and excitement and everything enter into me, I dropped to my knees, and I had tears streaming down my face, I wiped my eyes to see his tail dissapear into the lake.

Now this for me was first contact, and do not ever misinterpret what I say because this was one experience that was semi constructive to me, However I suffered bruises and a torn ligament in my left elbow. and I had nightmares of halls of people that have been placed in bags on hooks stacked body upon body and simply used as food, we are cattle, if anybody has seen a autopsy of a human being, when it comes to the meat, we are just that meat.

Our 22 gram soul is no better or worst that a cows 22 grams in my opinion.

Now my these Reptilians are horrible entities, and to be honest to know that they exist crushes me, and recently one identified itself to me and feed off the negativity I have for them and in a tantrum crushed my arm, he broke my radius into splinters, I have the bruises the xrays and medical documents, if anybody wishes to see these I am only to happy to share this, but I have just got to be careful.

Now anything that comes near me Grey, Reptilian seems to want to Identify itself to me in a standard and my guides wont tell me why, they simply say this is a condition of their proximity to me, my daughter is autistic and she sees my guides and recently told my father in law that aliens watch over her... you can imagine that conversation over the fourth of July BBQ right?

Now to top this off the US government has told me I have encountered Mibs and had threats to not do what I am doing now, the refused my application to adjust my permanent resident status, because I am from Plymouth England and my wife is an American, now for 7 years we have battled them over this, and I believe it is due to my communications with my guides.

Incidentally said guides broke away from their collective after they lost three members of their team, the speak of a incident where the three were trying to flee from something in a craft and they had detected a bomb on the craft and also were in contact with a human remote viewer, who wanted to help them, but it was to late the craft exploded and the three died.

This was a blow because Greys work as a unit, just because you see one, they are always connected to two or three others.

Incidentally one thing was brought to my attention involving the reptilians and the Grey, our elite know the truth about them right? well that is a door that swings both ways their elite deal with our elite and thus the grunts take all the ****.

so in this scenario where said grunts have opted for spiritual individuality, they have sought out a normal person that just wont lie to them, they want to learn about our nature from our nature, not our perceived nature, yes history tells them all they know it but they do not tell their own kind everything, also they appreciated the fact that we are evolving and what was the norm for us even 50 years ago is very different today.

The reptilians are another case however they seem to just do what they want and nobody wants or can stop them, they are where they are and they are here to stay, at least for now. the do employ the short nosed gray, that wear the gray space suits and are a pink color underneath.

Look these events are not without their toll on me, every time one identify itself I understand more about their race but I also loose a little of myself, I do not have long left in this world.

I worry about my daughters and my wife, but I have been assured they have good protection, just to clear up one misnomer the Nordics do not control the reptilians, the reptilians want to kill as many Nordics as they see and if you think that is a lie and you have guides simply ask them.

Nordics are more positive, sure they have an agenda, but is not a insidious one, another thing is I can pick up trace elements of other people that have had experiences with reptilians or grays its almost like a club card.

I hate to bad mouth anybody, I do because we can not fight in this subject, it gets us nowhere, but please steer clear of Dr Steven Greer I challenge this man to publicly tell the truth for once in his life.
I do not worry about reproach, my protection is not the brightest in the world, but it sure is very scary and is very dangerous.

[Antonia]

Thats one hell of a story Kensuemei2...
I beleieve you....totally... and all though I love the information of the Diclosure Project and listen Steven Greere, I always get a crepy feeling about hin.... I thought it was just me... Antonia

[eleni]

Some people feel Steven Greer is a reptilian walk in and works for that agenda.
Off to read K's story of reptoids.

[Antonia]

That's exactly what I was thinking about him ...even his face looks more reptilian then human.. any way I wish him no ill will what ever he may be...
and were or what is K's reptiods?? sound interesting?

[Ammit]

Well i was going to ask what you all meant about steven greer. I did notice in the camelot interview just after the start he began sticking his tongue out like i wouldnt expect if you were wetting your lips.

[Antonia]

Oh got ya... K in the above story!

Mean while... I'm just an old hippie, I wish every one would just get on with each other (On the big stage that is).. If we manage to up the fregency.. no one or no species will have to eat cows, humens, plants...or any other species to survive as we will absorb light...for nurishment. Reptilains , Greys, Nordics and us Earthees will all have to get over our pasts and just get on with enjoying a future toghether.. but I guess that ain't going to happen any time soon...Oh well...

[Wormhole]

Unified, great post. I honor your truth. Thank you. I want to add that it is refreshing that people have been allowed to state their opinions here and not be stopped. This is an important conversation.

I say walk with both feet. Those of you who wish to believe that the bible is an unbiased book of ultimate truth... that is your choice. But you're standing on one foot in my opinion. Have you ever looked into that validity? Really, have you? Now if you want to share a Rep story or add something that has legs... please, I encourage it. For example, earlier it was stated that using the name of Christ gets results. I find that interesting. I've also heard that Buddah, Mohammed, and Isis gat results too... by the way.

I personally do not believe that "God" (or whatever you want to call the whole of which we all are a part) desires us not to have choice and the ability to use it. When I say this I mean that I believe that any religious organization is underneath just another system of control. True responsibility comes with knowledge and making the right choice through your own guidance. Not some higher power telling you what to do, who to kill, or not to wear blue on fridays. It's a bit much don't you think. After all, blue is my favorite color. LOL

I'm not one to swallow down a drink without asking what's in it first. Sorry, but I hope the bible thumpers take a time out one day... if THEY let you, and take a deep look in that cup your offering. You may be mighty surprised at what your drinking. I say this with respect and with a hope that you will earnestly consider what I am saying.

But choice is choice. So go ahead and chose what you want to believe, as we still maintain that choice, at least now, I'm glad to see its being exercised here.

Peace of Mind, Strength of Heart,

Sorry guys, while I was writing this response I didn't realize that a whole new conversation happened. Pray continue...
Wormhole

[RedeZra]

The bible he spoke of is the Tanach. Have you ever read the Tanach in it's original language or studied it's Hebrew idioms and culture? The codification was in 326 AD and they tossed out much of what the people were accepting as sacred scripture. The Gnostics were completely ignored.


Indeed the Tanach is the Scripture which Jesus spoke highly of

the Tanach is the Torah ( the Five Books of Moses ) the Prophets the Writings ( Psalms Proverbs Job Chronicles and more )

Suffice to say we know the text in the Tanach by reading the Old Testament which is based on the Septuagint ( the Greek translation c.200 BC )
What we miss is the pronunciation and the cantillation of the Hebrew text


Scholars today do not agree as to when the Jewish canon was set and according to Talmud ( the rabbinic oral tradition ) much of the contents of the Tanach were compiled by the "Men of the Great Assembly" by 450 BC


Some books did not make it to Tanach Canon alas Conspiracy lol

book of Sirach for example excluded by the Tanach but included in the Septuagint

Suffice to say there is no record of any special sacred gnostic texts that were corruptly withheld entry into the Tanach



Look to Luke what Jesus says about the Scripture to His disciples after His Ressurection

Luke 24:44-45

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,



There is a movement to belittle and make believe the Bible is fiction altered beyond recognition and stripped of validity - why so - for they fear the power of the Christ

There is a movement to whirl the world into chaos - why so - for they love the power of the Snake

These are the Ally and the Adversary we choose in the world and within


for the Christ is within us as the Spirit and the Snake is within us as the Ego

as the Christ is a Being beyond our control so is the Snake a Being of his own


So when everybody shouts look within for truths Be aware who you look to


Let me clarify that I use the Names of the Christian vocabulary

the Buddhist the Muslim and the Hindu will of course use other Names to denote the Champions of good and evil


We do not comprehend the Magnitude of the Serpent nor appreciate the Grandeur of the Spirit

Its not like it is some kind of an even match - even the outcome is Decided - but the once 2nd to One has a Destiny to fulfill

[Phtha]

And of course if you Rota the Tora a bit you get Taro. Rota/Taro/Tora
They are identical stories just told from different angles.
But shhh... don't tell this to fundamentalists as they are told Taro is ebil work of the debil. :shocked:

This Reminds of the Sator/Rotas square. :lol3:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Palindrom_TENET.svg/180px-Palindrom_TENET.svg.png

Square in Oppède.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/P8190074.jpg/200px-P8190074.jpg

Square in St. Peter ad Oratorium.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/25/Enigmatic_inscription_of_St_Peter_ad_Oratorium_400 .JPG/800px-Enigmatic_inscription_of_St_Peter_ad_Oratorium_400 .JPG

Square in Cirencester.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9f/Rotas_square_from_Cirencester.JPG/200px-Rotas_square_from_Cirencester.JPG






the Tanach is the Torah ( the Five Books of Moses ) the Prophets the Writings ( Psalms Proverbs Job Chronicles and more )

[Carol]

Kinsuemei2, Thank you so much for sharing your story as this was the intention of this thread. From what I read of the work that David Jacobs did the Nordics are grey/human hybrids so it stands to reason the reptilians would hate them. I also listened to Dr. Jacobs interview on Red Ice Radio and read his book "The Threat" which goes into the grey's alien agenda.

http://informationfarm.blogspot.com/2009/10/dr-david-m-jacobs-abductions-human.html
This is from David Jacobs PDF book
http://dmt-nexus.com/Files/Books/General/David%20Jacobs%20-%20The%20Threat.pdf

The Threat
Revealing the Secret Alien Agenda

By David M. Jacobs

Contents

1 Recognizing the Signal

2 "I Know This Sounds Crazy, But..."

3 Shadows of the Mind

4 What They Do

5 What They Are

6 Why They Are Secret

7 Infiltration

8 The Hybrid Species—Children

9 The Hybrid Species—Adolescents and Adults

10 Independent Hybrid Activity

11 The Nature of Alien Intentions

12 Life As We Know It?

The Organization Chart

The aliens seem to have a recognizable chain of command and clearly defined roles
aboard their spacecraft. In my book Secret Life, I pointed out that the shorter gray aliens
act as assistants to the taller grays. The shorter aliens bring abductees to the UFO, take
their clothes off, escort them to the "examination" rooms, and even do some
nonspecialized procedures. Shorter aliens rarely engage in extended conversation, and
what they do communicate is usually limited to palliatives and reassurances for the
frightened abductee. Researchers now know that the taller alien, whom abductees
sometimes call the "doctor" or the "specialist" to differentiate him from the others, often
joins the abduction after the shorter aliens have performed an examination of the
abductee. The taller being conducts the more complicated procedures. He takes sperm
and harvests eggs. He implants embryos into female abductees and a few months later he
extracts the fetuses. He conducts staring procedures in which he can extract memories or
information from the abductee and in which he can also elicit sexual arousal and orgasm.
He engages in visualization procedures, during which he can make the abductee see and
even relive life events, or he can create entirely new "events" for the abductee to
experience.

The taller aliens appear to have more of a personality than the shorter ones. They will
engage in a dialogue with the abductee but remain coy about the objectives of the
abduction and about the specific procedures.

Because most aliens are small and gray, for years I thought the Nordics were examples of
confabulation and wishful thinking, which transformed the ugly aliens into handsome,
blond, blue-eyed humans. After listening to many accounts of these more human-looking
aliens, I concluded that the evidence clearly suggests that the Nordics are most probably
adult hybrids, the products of human/alien mating. They hybrids are critically important
and I will describe their crucial roles later.

The reports of "reptilians" or "insectoids" may simply be a matter of word choice, and
some abductees apply these descriptive terms to aliens whom other abductees might
describe as "standard" grays. Assuming, however, that reptilian and insectlike beings are
actually different types, it is noteworthy that abductees almost always see them with the
gray aliens, not alone, and that the tasks they perform are all within the standard alien
matrix. They generally perform the taller being's more specialized functions. Abductees
often express dislike or fear of these aliens, sometimes characterizing them as "mean" or
"evil," although they have no evidence for these assertions.

Although we have not yet delineated the "reptilian" beings' roles, the "insectoid" beings
are coming into sharper relief. Abductees have reported an alien who seems to have a
higher "rank" and supervisory status than even the taller beings. He is very tall and is
usually wearing a cape or long robe with a high collar. He often is described as an
insectlike being who looks somewhat like a praying mantis or a giant ant. He examines
abductees only infrequently and most often engages in staring procedures. When he
communicates telepathically with humans, his talk is often more substantive and he is
sometimes more forthcoming in the information he imparts. But generally he stands back,
observes the abduction proceedings, and may issue directions to the taller beings.

The existence of task-specific beings suggests a hierarchical "society" and the probability
of a "governmental body," with a downward-flowing chain of command from the
insectlike beings to the shorter gray aliens. Other aliens appear to act somewhat
subservient to the insectlike beings. If this is the case, then we can hypothesize that they
might possess the highest authority for the entire Breeding Program, and therefore might
be the group that initiated it.

Abductees frequently comment that the aliens display a "hive" mentality. The shorter
aliens especially look alike, dress alike, and act alike, and on board the UFO, they do
nothing that suggests unique personality traits. All individual activity is directed toward
the abduction goal in a clinical and dispassionate way. The taller gray aliens appear to
have more individuality and the robed insect-like ones even more.

http://aliens.monstrous.com/aliens_cross-breeding.htm

Red Ice has also interviewed a number of other notables including Andrew Basiago. Here is the link. www.redicecreations.com

Andrew Basiago's latest interview is on Red Ice http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/flash/flashmp3.html

[Carol]

I both admire and like Steven Greer. I've read all of his books, listen to his CDs and DVDs. Paola Harris is a good friend of his and also a friend of mine. One of the things that stood out about Dr. Greer to me was his spiritual path and how long and how committed he is to getting the truth out there. This was an ER doc who used to make big bucks, quit his job and sold what he had so he could move the Disclosure Project forward. He also practiced meditation to point where he has entered into Samadi, levitated and engaged in a number of advanced spiritual activities that only someone who has spent years on the spiritual path could achieve. I'm very disappointed in some of the members comments in this thread and Kerry's degrading and our right slander against him. Particularly when those in this thread know almost nothing of the man other then hearsay.

Dr. Greer is one of the more fortunate contactees as his contacts are the other aliens that Bob Dean has referred to repeatedly in his interviews... "the friends upstairs." The negative alien group are the reptoid/gray/Nordic. I find it curious that Marian is close to the Nordics and also a friend of Kerrys. I also strongly suspect that George Green is influenced by the grays. So it would stand to reason that investigating the character of the person, as in Dr. Greer, is worth the effort if one is really interested in ferreting out the truth. I find Dr. Greer a man of very high spiritual integrity. That was not my personal experience with Kerry.

[no caste]

From what I read of the work that David Jacobs did the Nordics are grey/human hybrids

Carol - Could the 'Nordics' be Programmed Life Forms? The greys are supposedly good with mind stuff and programming. The cloning and genetic manipulation tech are also probably very advanced. I haven't read much about it. If it's say, Nazi based science, the professors would want their 'army' to look like that, a robotic super-dooper ubermensch. I'm wondering...

It seems some 'Nordics' may want to go rogue too, to individuality and human experience. (?)

[Carol]

Dr. Jacobs has spent 30 years investigating this and working with abductees. I trust both his research and his conclusions. However, I also think is perspective is limited and wonder how it would be altered if he chatted with Andrew Basiago and those who have been involved in the time travel projects into the future.

Cliff High has something major to share about 2012 on Nov 3rd on Rense... 2012 is important in more ways then one.

Remember the movie Memzi? Is this really Hollywood telling us about a future of hybrids? What happens to humans on the surface of the planet when the Superwave hits? Who is going to be left? Are the ones left only the ones underground or will it be the meek who are in caves? Is this indeed a time of transformation for humans who are at the 5th level transitioning to the 6th level and are the insectoids working to raise themselves from the 4th level to 5th through their hybridization project? And are humans that transition to the 6th level dropping their 3D body to become a light body? I have many unanswered questions as to what will be. That's what makes the future exciting...

[no caste]

Thanks, Carol. I am mulling a lot myself. I haven't seen Memzi or read any books about this.

[Kinsuemei2]

Carol I apologizes if I upset you we all have friends in the business that we protect and it genuinely hurts when they are attacked. If you remember when I have my encounters I take on board some of the residual attitude of the Reptilian race and, indeed as Greer has had positive contact, with positive beings it is only natural that I would consider him to be negative as that is the stance of my contacts if you can call them that, I have never been abducted by the Reptilians only Identified every time one is in proximity.

I too have read his books and watch a number of his DVD's I just do
not trust him due to the information given to me, this is not hearsay
as Greer is in the the mind of the Reptilian race and have referenced
him many times, I can only imagine that because, he is aligned with
the Nordic and does practice love and light, I have not disputed that, but that he is perceived as enemy combatant, but I also feel and believe that he does know the other side of the coin exists, but just wont admit this, There is no slander on my part I am just making an hypothesis upon the evidence that i have.

I have no idea what the Nordics are telling him either and we must be aware
that the Nordics are said to be in faction ed within themselves, just as there
are layers to the reptilian race, spread out all over the globe, one hand does
not always know what the other is doing, unless linked into that hive we spoke of, this is why Identifying each other always happens without fail.

I do not believe he is a human/reptilian that is actually not the case, you
can spot a mib or a meat suit a mile away they are not that advanced, walking is tough for them and they are simplistic in their speech and
very non animated. I do believe he has had reptilian contact, I just would
like him to state this for the record, perhaps he feels that it might be unproductive to the community.

Again carol I apologize, you seem to be a very aware person and i like that, I
I hope that you have a blessed weekend, and a very good day
Kinsuemei

[Lionhawk]

If I may intrude the current flow of this thread to address something that I would like to address respectfully and publicly.

Thank-you Mudra for your statements and your apology. It took a lot of heart to do that. That is what a true warrior is all about. I also respect that as that is earned. And to your friends who also got caught up in this, and were wounded emotionally, my deepest regrets go out to you as well. So with that I would like to present you all, mods included, and everyone else, here with a song. Hopefully, if my words here were not enough, then the words in this song may fill in the blanks for you. So sit back, get quiet, listen very carefully, and then you will know where I am, so we can go forward with the healing process of those who have been neglected for so long. It isn't about us as it is about them.

Respectfully,

Lionhawk


YouTube - HAPPY FEELIN'S - MAZE FT. FRANKIE BEVERLY

[burgundia]

Some people feel Steven Greer is a reptilian walk in and works for that agenda.
Off to read K's story of reptoids.

strange, strange...i had such a feeling the first time i saw him....but I might be wrong....

[eleni]

"The tablets are discussing all these different bloodlines, so let me try to explain how they are related
and inter-related:
1. We have the pure Anunnaki, who came from Aldebaran in a spaceship, and one of their bases on
their journey through the galaxy is Nibiru, which is a part of our solar system. They invaded KI
(Earth) and chased the Reptoids underground.
2. Then we have the pure Reptoids, who were the original intelligent inhabitants of Earth when the
Anunnaki arrived.
3. TU and Mira of the Anunnaki mixed TU’s seed with a Reptoid and gave birth to EA (Enki) and
MAGDI — the twins. The pure Anunnaki wanted to kill the twins, because the mixed genes
created stronger and more intelligent beings than they themselves were. TU and MIRA managed
to clone their sons and SEPT of the pure Anunnaki killed the wrong kids, and EA and MAGDI
went into hiding.
4. The LULUs were a mix between the Neanderthals, who lived here together with the Reptoids
when the “Gods” (Anunnaki) arrived. LULU had 3% Anunnaki blood in them and 97%
Neanderthal. They became the Anunnaki’s slave labor in the mines, digging for gold and other
minerals that could be of value for the “Gods”. Another name for the enlightened LULU is
ADAMI (Adam and Eve).
5. The Reptoids, when living underground, rescued some LULUs from the Flood (the Deluge),
brought them to their caves and sealed the openings. There they interbred with the LULU
females, whom they desired, and created a new race, the Lemurians. So the Lemurians had
LULU blood (3% Anunnaki and 97% Neanderthal) + Reptoid blood. This showed to be a bad
combination of DNA, because it created a deceptive, aggressive and possessive race. ETU-
MARU and SARRATA were the first Lemurians who came up to the surface, and SARRATA
infiltrated EA’s and MAGDI’s people, who were left on Earth after the pure Anunnaki
disappeared before the flood. She and ETU-MARU then led the Lemurian battle against EA’s
people and the LULUs and almost wiped them out. EA’s breed fled to Mars. Left on the surface
were the Lemurians and the LULU. The LULU eventually, due to evolution, developed into
today’s homo sapiens and the decendants of ETU-MARU were Marduk Ra, YHWH and
eventually the 13 Illuminati bloodlines. Marduk Ra created the first Priesthood of Amen. "


The above resonates with me because I was given similar (although not in those details) information from a reptoid during an ayahausca session.

[Carol]

Kinsuemei2, you did not upset me. I agree that Dr. Greer is holding info back.
It would not surprise me that he has had contact with multiple alien races.
However, he was not describing the Nordics as his ongoing contacts that I'm
aware of... he is describing luminous multi-dimensional beings. IMPO he is
also a very spiritually advanced human being with impeccable ethics. He is
the type of person who gave his life to literally save others as a Medical Doctor
in an Emergency Room setting for years. Now his focus is on supporting
human spiritual growth and development planet-wide and establishing a
harmonious relationship with these other beneficial beings. He has been in
contact with various beneficial alien beings his entire adult life which to my
mind makes him the expert not the Johnny come latelys who profess to know
more then someone who actually has spent his entire adult life in contact with
these more spiritually advanced alien races.

http://www.veritasshow.com/images/veritascomicstrip11.jpg

[eleni]

The Merovingian Bloodline, which erroneously has been called the 13th Illuminati Bloodline is nothing
of the sort, according to Thule, just like I mentioned in Chapter II -- the Merovingians are not of
Lemurian blood but that of EA and MAGDI. So they are of the Anunnaki/Reptoid bloodline, and is
thus not part of the Lemurian 13 Illuminati bloodlines, which are a mix of Lulu/Reptoid. The pure
Reptoids, who still live inside Earth and are the so-called "Reptilians" that people claim they have seen
coming up now and then from caves all over the world. They are friendly to humans and don't want us
any harm, according to Thule, who made a pact with them a long time ago. These beings live inside
Earth and are the inhabitants of Agarthi/Agartha, the ones that the Dalai Lama protects and the secret
behind the "Yellow Hat Sect" (see Chapter 5).

[Carol]

eleni, What an amazing history and that you got to hear it from the figurative horses mouth, so-to-speak., is even more awesome.

What one Mars witness told me is that it is the Anunnaki who are involved in the space war above our heads. This witness said they want to control humankind. So I'm not sure who they are battling with... meaning is there infighting with the reptoids, greys, hybrids and Anunnakii. Where are the humans in all of this? Are they also involved with the battles and have they joined with the greys to do battle against the Anunnaki? And we also know that the greys have their own hybridization agenda.

[eleni]

Carol- what I posted was not from me- it is from Thule society.

My experience was during ayahausca- direct experience with a reptoid claiming to be from inner earth and original to the planet. Not scary to me a little intimidating but a very powerful being. My feelings for this race(inner reptoids) are empathy and I don't wish to participate in any space wars- my desire is to go to 4th density positive.

[mntruthseeker]

Carol

I want you to know that I really appreciate what you are putting out there.

I have been reading everything I could lately as my mind is so screwed up on all that I have read in here lately regarding Steven Greer

I mentioned on another thread that I just finished my acquaintance,friend via the internet, for over 10 years book.

She is on board with Steven Greer and even writes about the Praying Mantis and it led me to believe that there are many ET's that are seriously working to help us in our struggle to become a United Universe. She convinced me that they have been working with many for the last 30 years, preparing them to assist the rest of us as we awaken to raise our consciousness

I then got really paranoid reading all that was written here. I tried to get answers to all the questions I was coming up with and things started looking pretty bleak.

I decided to back off my friendship as I was paranoid as ****. LOL I have seen many pictures of her but now she was looking reptilian in my mind.

I appreciate the link you put up there for Information Farm. I am on my second hour of listening to Dr David Jacobs and plan on spending alot of time up there. In fact I see many subscribers there that are also friends of hers. Very Interesting and puts a whole new light on things

[Kinsuemei2]

I agree with that Carol, and it is interesting because I have described my contacts and Reptilians do turn into this luminous glass/plasma before they disappear on occasion. This was described to me as inter dimensional segways I spoke to ammit about this also, but I have been told their are entities that live in this form all of their lives. very interesting and exciting, I guess they could be referenced as angels in some circles.

[Kinsuemei2]

This is to Mntruthseeker.
hello I saw your post, I must ask if you have had this friend for 10 years, get past the paranoia, and ask what does your heart and soul tell you about this person, now I have never seen any insectoids, only reptilians and their are no mentions of these praying mantis creatures in the transfers perhaps this is because I am usually only connecting with the lower cast.

When you look at her now and see her as reptilian is that because your perception of her has altered or simply just that you are being influanced by other peoples perception of her, because if this is the case, I urge you to reconsider, not all of these beings are harmful, yes some are, but after 10 years you would have surley have been targeted if there were anything amiss with this person, they do not gain relationships with humans, they have no need to unless you have something they want, and we are like open books to them, they read us and discard us with ease.

the one that broke my arm, ok shattered my arm knew I had distrust and a distaste for them, and as emotionless as they appear it seemed like he was offended as he started to squeeze tighter and tighter, of course i was so wrapped up into his mind, i did not feel this until my own facilitates regained their control. these creatures are invasive and intrusive & they do not ask for permission. so please ask your self if these qualities are similar to your friends and just take a step back before making any rash decisions.

We all get paranoid and scared, I have lived with fear for a long time, but I have chosen to embrace my darkness that envelops me, as the more i know the less I fear, but the edge to that is the more i know the more I know what to fear. but each of us carries our fear differently and each of us conquers it in our own way.

[eleni]

More info from Thule- if correct this is very interesting.....

The Return of the Gods – NI-BI-RU Entering the Solar System and the Consequences
Here is the thing: Nibiru has an orbit that looks like an ∞ (infinity symbol). It enters our solar system
every 12,960 years. Unfortunately, every second time around, the planet will cause great disturbances
in Earth’s orbit, which will cause earthquakes, floods, volcano eruptions and possibly a pole shift.
These next few years will be very turbulent times, if this information is correct. Many, many people
will die due to this, and at the same time we are facing another threat — the consequences of
Anunnaki’s return, which could lead to a devastating war where homo sapiens are caught in the middle!
The Lemurians have had 12, 960 years to change their habits and turn things around on this planet and
stop the enslavement of mankind, but they have done nothing of the sort. Instead they have intensified
their control. Now, around 2012 or shortly thereafter, Nibiru returns and with it the pure Anunnaki
"Gods". The pure Anunnaki, EA's/MAGDI's people and the Reptoids of Agarthi have all made an
alliance and will not fight each other. They all want peace. The Reptoids have not interfered with what
has happened on the surface since the Lemurians took over, and more or less left us alone. They are
"cold-blooded" reptilians and don't mind living underground, apparently, so that is not a problem.
Neither of these three races want to harm homo sapiens either. Their common enemy are the Lemurians
(the 13 Illuminati Bloodlines), and if the latter haven't turned things around by the time the Anunnaki
return, there will be a war to kill off the Lemurian Illuminati and chase them underground, where the
Reptoids probably "will take care of them". All Lemurians were driven out of Agarthi long ago due to their abuse of power and their oppression of homo sapiens. Like I mentioned earlier, the Inner Core of
Thule (the Vril Society) is in contact with the Reptoids of Agarthi.
This is where Supriem is supposed to come in. They wanted someone with DNA from ALL races to be
able to negotiate and complete the task of cleaning up here on Earth. Therefore, Supriem is the
"experiment". I haven't had any direct contact with the Inner Core of Thule, except for once, but I have
a hard time believing they put all the eggs in one basket. If they did, and Supriem fails, there will
definitely be a war. It could be they have a back-up plan that I don't know of, nor do the lower to
middle level Thule members. So all we can do is wait and see, because I highly doubt they will reveal
these secrets to me.
Another Viewpoint on the “Fallen Angels”
The Bible version of whom the Fallen Angels were, are clearly rejected by Thule. They emphasize that
the Fallen Angels are the Merovingian EA/MAGDI decendants and are not our enemies. Whether this
is true or not remains to be seen, but The Book of Enoch is telling us another story, which also includes
how the Fallen Angels were blood drinkers, just like the RA Material and David Icke have indicated is
the case with the Orion Reptilians. Is this a common characteristic for beings entering from another
density to be able to keep their physical shape here? From The Book of Enoch:
CHAPTER VI.
1. And all the others (Watchers) together with them took unto themselves wives, and each
chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with
them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made
them acquainted with plants. 2. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants,
whose height was three thousand ells: 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And
when men could no longer sustain them, 4. the giants turned against them and devoured
mankind. 5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to
devour one another’s flesh, and drink the blood [Wes' emphases in red]. 6. Then the
earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
8. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil
spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. 9. Evil spirits have
proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men, and from the holy
⌈⌈ ⌉⌉
Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil
⌈ ⌉
spirits shall they be called. [10. As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their
dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the
earth shall be their dwelling.] 11. And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy,
attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food,
but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up
⌈ ⌉
against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from
⌈
them.
⌉

[mntruthseeker]

No I have always precieved her of being of the light and loving. She has done nothing to put this "fear" in me. I got an answer from you once before and I really appreciated it. It was on another post

Thank you once again Kinsuemei2 for answering me


My friend was an honorary ambassador to the Humanity Healing Network which is HUGE on the internet. Millions of People all over the world meditate frequently through this group.

I felt wonderful after reading her book and even after reading your story. You wanted people to see that we couldn't fully believe in Steven Greer and when I got on here I and heard him being linked as possible Reptilian. I felt the paranoida sneaking up ***** many of us got fooled with religion, so I didn't want to be mislead again

This is the message she put up today. She knows what people are going through, I can't accept that this was just for me. Its fitting though

the language of the infinite soul, that which is our Truth, there is no
such word as "fear." Fear creates a boundary, a limitation, and the
soul knows no such thing

[Kinsuemei2]

you are right and I apologize I should have explained what I meant by Dr Greer, I have never thought him to be reptilian in nature, just simply that he had important info that he was holding on to. As I mentioned, the reptilian race have no love for Dr Greer. This is possible that he has information regarding them that they do not like. I hope this is the case.

It is very cool your friend talking about fear

[eleni]

Anyone ever consider that the reptoids = bad is an Illuminati plot because they are the true enemy of the reptoids? And perhaps they have cloned *bad ones* to *prove* to us these reps are bad and do nothing but rape women and eat children. See above posts of mine.

More food for thought- again interesting if correct:
Between the Devil and the Returning Rock
In July, 2009, a month after I posted this e-book originally, someone emailed me a very interesting
scientific essay, written by A.R. Bordon and Roy W. Gordon. They are both biophysicists and have
made a huge study on the subject of the Anunnaki. The essay is called, Between the Devil and the
Returning Rock and is confirming a lot of what I am exposing here, including Marduk being on Earth
now. They also claim there are about 350-400 Earthbound Anunnaki on the planet at the moment and
they pretty much run the show, while also being in connection with the incoming Anunnaki from
Nibiru. These earthbound ones have been here probably for a very long time and are sitting in the
Council of 12 like a spider in the web.
Council of 12
These two scientists have succeeded in finding 11 different witnesses, many of them not knowing each
other, all confirming the above separately. Most of these witnesses work within the U.S. Government,
the Military and some civilians as well. To get a broader picture of the Anunnaki and who they really
are — and most importantly, do we want them here? — you need to read this essay, which is now
online and can be downloaded here.
Is the Council of 12 actually what Supriem calls Priesthood of Amen? Are 12 of the most powerful
Earthbound Anunnaki (pure Merovingian) the 12 High Priests of Amen and is Supriem the 13th
member, just like he says he is? Could it be that the mid level Thule members are not aware of that
because it's a "well kept secret?"
I have no way of finding out right now, but this essay certainly adds to the picture and is pretty useful
in our attempts to lay the puzzle.

Anyone read Gordon and Bordon's document?

[mudra]

http://www.edupic.net/Images/Plants/lotus_flower222.JPG

If I may intrude the current flow of this thread to address something that I would like to address respectfully and publicly.

Thank-you Mudra for your statements and your apology...

Thank you LionHawk for accepting my apologies.
Respect to You.
You have spoken well and from your Heart .
When we meet in the Heart this is where understanding and peace can take place .
Let's take the turmoil we underwent as a lesson and always remember that humility and forgiveness are rules of Heart and make good friends.

I do now have happy feelings too as you and I have have given back to Avalon the Love and respect it deserves.

I wish you well on your journey within the soul family .

Love and kindness from me
mudra

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[mntruthseeker]

Eleni, I did read your post earlier, in fact I followed your lead and pulled up the thule society, and remember I had seen this before

I knew how the reptilians were connected with the illuminati's and that led to another thought..............which was fear


Yes, it was way cool that my friend had that posting up there today. She puts up as she has many people that work along side of her and I have always thought of them as light workers

Eleni.....your personal story is very similiar to Kinsuemei2 in that they involve your children. PLUS both postive and negative feelings coming across

I am going to let go of my fear as my friends message mentions. Its a nicer feeling hearing from you both and Carol. Gives me hope once again

Kinsuemei2 her name is Lauren Zimmerman if you care to see her other blogs and she also has put up some of her art. You mentioned your young daughter drawing and I think its great . You can find her on face book

[eleni]

mntruthseeker- My involvement with Rep, greys and Nordics has only been positive as far as I really *know*. But it seems so complicated because there are human factors involved as well- I no longer live near Montauk (I grew up near there and there's a lot I can share but that's where it gets weird because it becomes a jumble- hard to explain because there are definite human factors involved and it really is bizarre from my limited perspective as to what really went on).

[mntruthseeker]

Yes, I know that millitary is involved myself From what I have seen they want complete absolution for all that has transpired along with those in our government and the big corporations prior to the disclosure. It is so interesting now to see that Obama has been meeting with the united nations regarding all of this since last Feb behind closed doors. So many dots are being connected

I hate what they have done to all involved ! It has to be devestating to undergo such experiences

My friends contact were all positive also and occured after a NDE. I have heard many stories regarding this and abductees.

When I have read your postings, I gathered that yours were not negative at all.

[Carol]

Well eleni... I'm once again in a state of confusion with regard to the reptilians. I suspect there are different types/races among them as well, possibly similar to the different human races.

My statement includes your experience, Kinsuemei2's account, Jim Sparks, other abductees I know and Credo Mutwa. Basically, all of you have had different types of experiences with the reptilians. Some beneficial and some not so good.

Is this what you saw? http://brucedmitchell.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Reptoid.jpg


Here are some interesting links.

http://forgetomori.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/troodondinosauroid.gif

http://productions.caffix.org.mx/reptiles-2da-parte

http://productions.caffix.org.mx/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ReptoidEncounter.jpg

[eleni]

Carol- in the first picture the face is not quite the same as what I encountered- the latter two pics- the body is a bit too slight as the one I had encounter with-
being I encountered was a multi hued earth tones/green with cream color- very massive in size and muscular. The last two pics are too *streamlined* the being was more *primal* looking than last two and the first one is more accurate but still not what I encountered. I have shared a little about it but it entered my mouth and from there I had a full on kundalini experience and with that was downloaded a bunch of information. Experience was overwhelming but positive in the end........I felt as though I entered another realm (which I already was in due to aya) that was very primal- and literally changed my core......if that makes sense. I just clicked on the link to get a better look- lips/nose off- that almost looks like a hybrid rep- mixed with Simian.....to me anyway...rep did not have lips like that nor nose like that......

mntruthseeker- can you point me in direction of Obama info regarding this? I've just heard bits and pieces from Wilcock etc;

[mntruthseeker]

Eleni

The gist of Obama is being put into chanelled messages. see the thread for The New Message from Mathew I heard it on 3 different videos on you tube ( I would have to re-locate ) Also on this thread posted on P/A

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m10d21-Official-disclosure-of-extraterrestrial-life-is-imminent

For what its worth............its been popping up alot lately even on a cliff high interview I just heard dated 10/16

so this message is circulating thats for sure...........hmmmmm

[Carol]

Eleni, it makes perfect sense. When one touches or is touched by an interdimensional being, ones conscious awareness resonates at the frequency of the being they are in contact with.

You are indeed a person with many rich experiences. As for the Military experience, the sequence of events surrounding the brain washing that the children go through (as also described by Andrew Basiago) is enough to make anyone lose their memory. However, memory does begin to return in fragments after about a period of 20 years. With a good hypnotherapist it can return much more quickly. The problem is... with many abductees - remembering fills in the holes but then they most often have to deal with the Post Traumatic Stress (PTS), if they were not indoctrinated (Stockholm effect) and continue to be taken and abused against their will.

I've observed PTS when the abductee knows they are being abducted but have no memory. Knowing can be very traumatic as well... it takes time to integrate the experience (which can be done by activating ones creative process to retell the story of what happened to them through art, music, sculpture, journal dialoguing, writing.. etc.). The biggest handicap most abductees have, when in the memory recovering phase of their healing process is fighting against the grey's and/or military's mind programming indoctrination - "not to tell."

For a compulsive truth teller... that kind of stuff doesn't work well on certain personalities (A. Basiago for example).

[mntruthseeker]

Dr Steven Greer is going to be on The Veritas Show tonight and I hope I get there on time. I do want to hear him once again.

Carol One of those ETs in the picture may very well be what is being described as the praying mantis (it looks like one to me ) I'm quite taken back by it tall and thin and insect looking as described

[Jacqui D]

This expos'e from Wesley Penre has given so much information regarding the Thule whom he has had info from the reptoids/lulu's/annunaki and of course this supreimes rockerfella's people.
The triple helix 36 strand which this supreiem and his prophet michael prescot i think his name is are not the only ones to hold this DNA, when activated this dna strand is very powerful now a thought that has crossed my mind is could this be the reason the abductions have taken place over all these years because they are trying to find those with this 36 strand triple helix, because they feel these ones will be powerful when their dna is switched on then a possible threat to TPTB!
This is why so many abductees have been chipped and mind controlled dumbing the Dna traces and making those forget so when the time comes the DNA activation will be incomplete leaving those in dior straights who do not have the DNA triple helix strand to be left at the hands of the perpetrators.
This would make sense to me.
If you have this dna strand i would say de programming is essential!!!
Hard to find out who those are though but if you trace the bloodlines it is not to hard!

[Carol]

Yes, thank you for mentioning this T as he is on for the first hour and for members the chat that Andrew Basiago shared with members is the second half available to members only. I subscribe to 3 radio websites. Mels, CoasttoCoast and Red Ice. All have excellent guests.

[eleni]

Truthseeker-thank you for that. Yes, I have a Veritas subscription so am eager to hear Greer tonight or whenever I get the time.

Yes, saw the Matthew thread- again thank you.

Carol- yes there is PTS involved- mine is human based though as far as I am aware although some weird stuff did take place in Long Island.

Jacqui- I agree and I did recognize that Surpriem has been manipulated DNA wise- you can tell by the eyes (no, not the photo- shopped blue eyes).

Preston (Nichols) told me that some of us (males and females used at Montauk) were altered/programmed for an upcoming space war.

I (and others) have opted out of fighting a war against whomever- I can only hope to be strong enough and not be *animated* to *wake up* even if it is to fight the dark side.....