cannibinoids promote brain growth

[Chris Parson]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/mentalnote/Picture48.png

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dean_ornish_says_your_genes_are_not_your_fate.html

Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and produce anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects.
J Clin Invest. 2005 Nov;115(11):3104-16. Epub 2005 Oct 13.

From the Abstract: The hippocampal dentate gyrus in the adult mammalian brain contains neural stem/progenitor cells (NS/PCs) capable of generating new neurons, i.e., neurogenesis. Most drugs of abuse examined to date decrease adult hippocampal neurogenesis, but the effects of cannabis (marijuana or cannabinoids) on hippocampal neurogenesis remain unknown. This study aimed at investigating the potential regulatory capacity of the potent synthetic cannabinoid HU210 on hippocampal neurogenesis and its possible correlation with behavioral change. We show that both embryonic and adult rat hippocampal NS/PCs are immunoreactive for CB1 cannabinoid receptors, indicating that cannabinoids could act on CB1 receptors to regulate neurogenesis. This hypothesis is supported by further findings that HU210 promotes proliferation, but not differentiation, of cultured embryonic hippocampal NS/PCs likely via a sequential activation of CB1 receptors, G(i/o) proteins, and ERK signaling. Chronic, but not acute, HU210 treatment promoted neurogenesis in the hippocampal dentate gyrus of adult rats and exerted anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects. X-irradiation of the hippocampus blocked both the neurogenic and behavioral effects of chronic HU210 treatment, suggesting that chronic HU210 treatment produces anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects likely via promotion of hippocampal neurogenesis.

AND

In The Neuroscientist vol 13, no. 2, 109-114 (2007)
"The Endocannabinoid System and Neurogenesis in Health and Disease"

From the abstract: The endocannabinoid system exerts an important neuromodulatory function in different brain areas and is also known to be involved in the regulation of neural cell fate. Thus, CB1 cannabinoid receptors are neuroprotective in different models of brain injury, and their expression is altered in various neurodegenerative diseases. Recent findings have demonstrated the presence of a functional endocannabinoid system in neural progenitor cells that participates in the regulation of cell proliferation and differentiation. In this Research Update, the authors address the experimental evidence regarding the regulatory role of cannabinoids in neurogenesis and analyze them in the context of those pathological disorders in which cannabinoid function and altered neuronal or glial generation is most relevant, for example, stroke and multiple sclerosis. NEUROSCIENTIST 13(2):109—114, 2007.

[Gozaimasu Stone]

is there any differentiation in these results between cannaboid plants naturally grown through photosynthesis and non-photosynthetic processes such as hydroponically manipulated/altered cannaboid plants?

Do your results come from the analysis of both processes?
If the results are different,what would be the differentiating factors and why?

[bluestix]

Of course it does.


Why do you think it is illegal.


It's the best cure for Babylon's Disease.


The people in this world have a mind sickness.

[FrostyMcunicron]

the brain releases natural cannibinoids.


On the other hand Cannabis Sativa has proven cancer preventing properties & if THC is present when a cell goes deficient it dies instead of doubling every time.. Perhaps in the Near future we will bare witness to a "Crimes against humanity" class action lawsuit against the USA GOV & every politician who knowingly continued prohibition in return $$ and power. The 1# drug dealer in the world IS the USA Gov. Monopoly anyone?

[Chris Parson]

is there any differentiation in these results between cannaboid plants naturally grown through photosynthesis and non-photosynthetic processes such as hydroponically manipulated/altered cannaboid plants?

i don't know.

the brain releases natural cannibinoids.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_receptor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoids#Endocannabinoids

On the other hand Cannabis Sativa has proven cancer preventing properties

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/100079/cannabinoid_study_looks_at_medical_uses/
Researchers presented tantalizing evidence that cannabinoid drugs
can help treat amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, known as ALS or Lou Gehrig's
disease, Parkinson's disease and obesity. Other researchers are studying
whether the compounds can help victims of stroke and multiple sclerosis.

http://www.cpmc.org/professionals/research/programs/science/sean.html
In addition to Δ9-THC, cannabidiol (CBD), cannabinol (CBN) and
cannabigerol (CBG) are also present in reasonable quantities in Cannabis.
CBN has low affinity for CB1 and CB2 receptors, whereas the non-psychotropic
cannabinoids, CBD and CBG, have negligible affinity for the cloned receptors.
We have determined that these additional cannabinoids are also effective
and inhibiting aggressive cancers.

[Debugged]

So, what you're telling me is, I shouldn't have quit?:mfr_omg:

I think a lot clearer, and faster off it, though. My lungs are happy too.

Based on my experiences, I'd say there's a lot of give and take with C.Sativa. It helped me with pain from an injury to my dura mater at C5-6 level, and also gave me more awareness of proprioception and kinesthesia in my left side(due to an old brain injury) which all helped in my physical rehab. But, cognitively speaking, it takes away a few IQ points, and some fine motor coordination.

It definitely shouldn't be illegal though. I think it helps more than it hinders.

I'm hoping that using the abbreviated Latin terminology doesn't alert the Google folks to an "adult" conversation here. Maybe we just have to come up with our own terminology for certain things here, that no one else uses.:lol3:

[bluestix]

But, cognitively speaking, it takes away a few IQ points, and some fine motor coordination.



Speak for yourself.

[uboslav]

This is an extremely interesting topic for me, because I grew up in the heart of marijuana land on vancouver island. It for years has been extremely abundant here. All generations of life in this area seem to smoke on a regular basis.

Recently after about 15 years of smoking it day in and day out I decided to quit. I had discovered through access to my higher self through dowsing that it was not harming me, it was merely a distraction. Instead of worrying about my well being, I was worrying about getting stoned.

I went on to ask my pendulum so so many questions on the topic that what resulted is me quitting to concentrate on my well being. Once I did quit , I noticed that sitting at a computer for any length of time was very uncomfortable, eating food was nearly impossible for a few days, and going to bed at a decent time..forget it.

All of this has now passed and I seem to be back on track to my normal feelings and thought. But at the time when i was indulging in heavy smoke it was very fair to say that it motivated me. It was like I didnt want to learn anything unless I was freshly stoned. It definitely did spark brain activity for me. I do know another in my town who still is like this. Get him stoned and he will rebuild his truck from the ground up part by part. One of our friends use to call us motivated stoners.

So through first hand experience I would say YES weed does stimulate the brain in someway or another. I would like to hear other opinions on this. We are led to believe through mass propaganda that getting stoned will make u stupid. I do not believe this. I think it just effects different people in different ways.

[ADAM KADMON]

Good ol'MJ~

If you are anything like me, you've experimented your fair share with Marijuana and psychedlics... and you have been back and forth between 'quitting' and restarting more than once.

However, I think learning to discipline yourself into using only once or twice per week, at the appropriate time of day amplifies it's effectiveness and medicinal qualities 100 fold. The reason being is this:

When you can control your usage, you enjoy the emotions of order, self-discipline and control IN ADDITION to the irrefutable medicinal qualities MJ has to offer. Instead of experiencing the negative emotions that stem from a lack of self control, it actually gives you an opportunity to excite the opposite positive emotions of balance!

When you use MJ often enough that your body is giving you negative feedback, it's time to back off and objectively concentrate on the proper usage for you. This takes maturity. This times compassion and understanding towards yourself. And it takes a teaspoon of willpower to follow-through with your decision.

Some people find it easier to just cut it of their lives totally when they are not using it. Others find it easier to cope by making it a daily routine. It's been my experience that the most beneficial time in my life, was only after employing self discipline with it's usage.

That's not something a MJ fanatic wants to hear. But deep down, they know it to be true. I'm just reminding you of what you likely already know to be true.

Adam K.

[bluestix]

Higher Doses (http://www.digitalrorschach.com/HigherDoses.cfm)


“I now have absolute proof that smoking even one marijuana cigarette is equal in brain damage to being on Bikini Island during an H-bomb blast.”

--Ronald Reagan quotes (American 40th US President (1981- 89), 1911-2004)


People have a right to get stoned. They have a right to think and explore their own minds. This is as intimate a part of their being as their sexuality. Any culture which mitigates that is clearly afraid of a full and fair and open dialogue about what reality is and what real human values ought to be.

--Terence McKenna



"You can look at the harm caused by free radicals as biological friction or biological rust and the endocannabinoid system minimizes the impact of that and directly acts as an antioxidant as well as modifying the biochemistry in a way that minimizes the impacts," said Melamede outside court Thursday, likening endocannabinoids to humans like oil is to cars. He said if you don't have lubrication in your car, your car breaks. In the human body, the damage comes in the form of age-related diseases.

"I'm saying what science has now shown is that marijuana and cannabinoids are effective anti-aging agents which means that they are effective in minimizing the onset and the severity of age-related illnesses which include cognitive dysfunction things like Alzheimers, cardiovascular disease be it heart attacks, strokes, or clogged arteries," he said.

But while it does not work for every one, cannabis can also help those people with auto-immune diseases and cancer.

Melamede explained that you would have to take 40,000 times the therapeutic dose before causing harm to your body. But the therapeutic index for aspirin is 15 to one.

"It's extremely safe," said Melamede of marijuana, noting the overdose amount would equal 40,000 joints.

"And you die happy (http://current.com/items/89119039_pot_slows_aging)," added Judge Don Sperry during a rare moment of levity in Thursday's testimony.





And finally --- Marijuana cures cancer:

RUN FROM THE CURE - The Rick Simpson Story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhT9282-Tw)

[OrganicFarmhand]

Rick Simpson is a good man and he helped many people free of charge. I am a firm believer that a lot of the drugs should be legal, well the non manufactured ones at least. Mushrooms, cannabis and other "drugs" have been used for thousands of years and none of them really became illegal until after Alcohol prohibition. My guess is that with all the people they hired to fight the alcohol war were going to loose their job after it was made legal so they needed a new enemy. The war on drugs and the war on terror were two wars that were never made to be won, just to make tons of money and destroy our freedom!

[Toymachines]

Hell ya. I would say it promotes brain growth, it at least makes you think farther outside the box. But, it is a distraction, a blessed distraction... :naughty:

[ForsakenFalcon]

It's hard to say because at first it does make You think out side the box and I must admite it sure did help Me pass My year 10 english and maths exsame's it made 3hours fly by like nothing elles and at the time the maths question's were allmost like decodeing so it wasn't as boreing.

However like someone allready said after awhile it get's to the point of when You don't want to do anything while sober eithen the thing's You previously "Loved" as in hobbie's and such.

I never avise anyone to smoke weed however if You so choice to like any drug You got to take personal responsibility on a new level geting high on eithen hullsagine's so long as Your doing it for the right reason's in term's of a learning cerve then You'r realy doing no harm, People whom use drug's then go stealing mugging and eithen killing then crying to the court's
"It was the drug's man I had no idear what I was doing blah blah blah"
it's utter bull **** each and every time Iv been high on anything Iv all ways knew My action's still had consiquences and that alot of what I was experienceing was due to I was high I never once disreguarded that fact.

[Dantheman62]

Amen

[Theresa]

I know someone who is a "motivated stoner" also. But he is also completely self centered, totally disassociated from others in relationship and completely distracted with "phenomenon based" spiritual experience.

I tried to keep up with him (daily smoker) because it was the only way to relate to him, but couldn't come close. After smoking daily for 25 years, he could smoke a LOT. I can't. not even a little. I'm ALREADY a channeler-I became completely unproductive on it. He, however, is very productive, owns his own business, makes a ton of money.

What spirit told me is that pot does give people access to INTERDIMENSIONAL information, which is exciting and distracting to say the LEAST.

But on the negative side, it DIMINISHES one's connection to their HIGHER SELF, the only level of spiritual information that really matters. In other words, it's an intellectual's distraction of choice, I would say. its a HUGE distraction.

Just because it activates the brain don't mean it evolves it, brothers....:tongue2:

[Orion11]

doesnt mean it doesnt help it evolve either. :)

really jus here to bump the thread. lol

:D

[Chris Parson]

yeah don't smoke all day every day, kids

[colesmommy1117]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/mentalnote/Picture48.png

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dean_ornish_says_your_genes_are_not_your_fate.html

Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and produce anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects.
J Clin Invest. 2005 Nov;115(11):3104-16. Epub 2005 Oct 13.

From the Abstract: The hippocampal dentate gyrus in the adult mammalian brain contains neural stem/progenitor cells (NS/PCs) capable of generating new neurons, i.e., neurogenesis. Most drugs of abuse examined to date decrease adult hippocampal neurogenesis, but the effects of cannabis (marijuana or cannabinoids) on hippocampal neurogenesis remain unknown. This study aimed at investigating the potential regulatory capacity of the potent synthetic cannabinoid HU210 on hippocampal neurogenesis and its possible correlation with behavioral change. We show that both embryonic and adult rat hippocampal NS/PCs are immunoreactive for CB1 cannabinoid receptors, indicating that cannabinoids could act on CB1 receptors to regulate neurogenesis. This hypothesis is supported by further findings that HU210 promotes proliferation, but not differentiation, of cultured embryonic hippocampal NS/PCs likely via a sequential activation of CB1 receptors, G(i/o) proteins, and ERK signaling. Chronic, but not acute, HU210 treatment promoted neurogenesis in the hippocampal dentate gyrus of adult rats and exerted anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects. X-irradiation of the hippocampus blocked both the neurogenic and behavioral effects of chronic HU210 treatment, suggesting that chronic HU210 treatment produces anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects likely via promotion of hippocampal neurogenesis.

AND

In The Neuroscientist vol 13, no. 2, 109-114 (2007)
"The Endocannabinoid System and Neurogenesis in Health and Disease"

From the abstract: The endocannabinoid system exerts an important neuromodulatory function in different brain areas and is also known to be involved in the regulation of neural cell fate. Thus, CB1 cannabinoid receptors are neuroprotective in different models of brain injury, and their expression is altered in various neurodegenerative diseases. Recent findings have demonstrated the presence of a functional endocannabinoid system in neural progenitor cells that participates in the regulation of cell proliferation and differentiation. In this Research Update, the authors address the experimental evidence regarding the regulatory role of cannabinoids in neurogenesis and analyze them in the context of those pathological disorders in which cannabinoid function and altered neuronal or glial generation is most relevant, for example, stroke and multiple sclerosis. NEUROSCIENTIST 13(2):109—114, 2007.



My sister forwarded this to me. Amazing stuff. And, as a healthcare worker and daughter of a man who suffered from cancer at the expense of his country (who smoked near the end of his physical life to ease his pain), i am aware of the medicinal affects.

[JoshG_528hz]

I smoked marijuana every day for about 5 years. Based on what I have experienced, the effects of cannabis on the mind are dependent upon the state of mind at the time. It's like a magnification of how your mind is currently 'wired' or operating. If I feel like a creative genius at the time of smoking, I feel like more of a creative genius after smoking - my mind is steady and peaceful. If I'm in a dull, worrysome, stressful, or isolated state of mind at the time of smoking, my mind will constantly move around in all the wrong directions, thus draining my energy.
Recently, I have only been smoking only once or twice a month. I have not noticed a significant difference in memory recall or the overall function of the mind to 'think'. The only major difference I notice between smoking a lot and smoking a little is the ability to live and think "in the now", which is easier to do while stoned (for me).

Another major contributor to the effect marijuana has on the mind is the environment. I pay a good amount of attention to the ever-changing energy of my current place of being. After smoking marijuana, I've noticed I am more sensitive to the energy or feelings given off by the people around me. During periods of a positive mindset, I am affected on a lesser level. When stressed or worrisome, the energy given off by emotions and feelings have a more significant affect (in rare cases an uncontrollable effect) on me and I can be annoyed or irritated easily.

Overall, my opinion (based on experience) is that marijuana only affects the mind in ways that it is allowed to (or how you let it). Marijuana effects all people in different ways, which is one of the reasons I believe it magnifies or manipulates one's current state of mind, one's personality, or one's thought-process.


Peace. Love.

[2012survivor]

I would make another question for anyone smoker, Did anyone realize of loosing to remember the dreams? I've been smoker since 10 years before and in 5 years before I noticed not able to remember my dreams... Anyone in the same situation?

[paul1972]

I would make another question for anyone smoker, Did anyone realize of loosing to remember the dreams? I've been smoker since 10 years before and in 5 years before I noticed not able to remember my dreams... Anyone in the same situation?

As I regular smoker (approx. 10 years) - I totally agree on this -

Paul

ONE love

[ForsakenFalcon]

I would make another question for anyone smoker, Did anyone realize of loosing to remember the dreams? I've been smoker since 10 years before and in 5 years before I noticed not able to remember my dreams... Anyone in the same situation?

Seriously I don't belive it's eithen a case of not remembering them while smokeing You simplely dream very very little maybe once a month.

85% of the reason I started to smoke and still do is due to "nightmares" when I sleep while completely off it on a regular base's. However on it now I dream very very little though I do still get them just not very often though when I get them I know I recived them =/

[uboslav]

I would make another question for anyone smoker, Did anyone realize of loosing to remember the dreams? I've been smoker since 10 years before and in 5 years before I noticed not able to remember my dreams... Anyone in the same situation?

Very interesting. I could not for the life of me remember dreams when I was a heavy smoker. I knew I was having dreams but I could not remember any of them. When I started sleeping with orgonite and surrounded myself with orgone or chi energy, that's when all my dreams kicked into high gear.
It was nice that I didn't have to quit smoking weed to remember my dreams. Now that I have quit, I seem to remember my dreams a little better even without orgonite nearby.
It is odd that marijuana hinders ones ability to consciously remember their dreams. i would love to hear exactly how that works. I need some sort of a David Wilcock explanation or something :)

[Humble Janitor]

I must note that for the past month or so, I have been experiencing what I call a series of "good weeks".

I have chronic depression and I have never taken anti-depressants. However, I have tried to cut back on junk food and limit my consumption of alcohol. I enjoy blueberries and chocolate of course but I do not over-induldge on either.

I have smoked marijuana in the past and if I tend to smoke more than usual, I go into what I consider to be deep trances where time becomes slower and my mind seems to reach heights that aren't possible without the chemical enhancement. Of course, this is called hallucinating.

Just wanted to point this out. I think that I've stumbled upon neurogenesis by accident by the way of my diet, etc. My depression isn't as severe as it was a few months ago. I still slip back into depression but it doesn't last for long and I seem to rebound quicker. I believe that this depression is hereditary as my brother and father are both on anti-depressants.

[Humble Janitor]

Speak for yourself.

Basically, this research kind of debunks the idea that smoking weed kills brain cells.

I say it depends on the person and how much they smoke. I know some people are very smart, very brilliant but they cannot kick their weed habit long enough to do something with the talent they have.

[333mark333]

Without the insights triggered by MJ i would not be here. A useful tool if used wisely :)

[Squeptikal]

What insights are provided by inebriation? Doesn't the smoking numb your senses instead of augment them?

[moraldogma]

Cannabis augmentates our gain antenna and open new doors and windows to imagination.
I couldnt remember my dreams in my smoke years also. And my mind and intuition say to me that i dont need to smoke nowadays.
As a more open wide antenna it may be good or bad depending each person either they are positive based or negative based but most of all can be a usefull tool to think diferent wich isnt a bad thing in a hipnotic world of inconciousness repetitions.
I finded smokes good to play musical instruments for many years i called a better inspiration, nowadays i say diferent inspiration.
Cannabis its a lot better than some manufactured smoke stuff we buy in legal stores that seems to be negative based or was only me far from cure back to time i smoked that weird stuff.

[Ant0ni081]

What insights are provided by inebriation? Doesn't the smoking numb your senses instead of augment them?

It does and it doesn't. . . so many variables exist when talking about MJ effects on the user. It wouldnt be fair to destroy its image when we dont yet know all the benefits, and there are Many as others have shown here.

I think we need to take into account that with so many factors such as chemistry of the user, amount absorbed the the body, frequency of using MJ, not to mention the huge diversity of types of MJ and the various effects different "strains" can have on different people. With various effects on people we cannot simply say that it dumbs you or raises you.

At the end of the day we all know that Over indulging in most things will lead to a detrimental effect at some point in the future. Unfortunately via negative propaganda about MJ over the years has set back scientists on working with the substance to re-educate people about the 100's of beneficial applications for the herb. Granted, absorption of MJ by smoking will damage lungs and over indulgence leads to tollerance build up. these negative effects all MJ smokers will know of, which sensibly we should listen to (as hard as that maybe, and yes i know from experience).

Its always good to have discussions about subjects most people find taboo ( the reason we're all here on the forums no less :thumb_yello: )

Good reading guys ;)
Takecare All

[Dantheman62]

O.K. Here I go, I've been a daily smoker for 32 years straight, yes 32 years 16 hours a day or more, I'm a self proclaimed expert on the subject and for sure it hurts the dreaming process and being able to remember dreams. It should not be illegal, but alcohol should!. I recently quit(1 week ago) just so I could get a decent job(**** tests) and my dreams have come back and now I can remember them better. It does motivate sometimes, and sometimes not depending on frame of mind or what's going on that day. It is a great social barrier breaker and allows one to get along with other fellow smokers regardless of age differences. It does however dominate sometimes like when you run out and are looking for more, but I've actually lost a couple pounds in the last week just by not getting the munchies so bad. Anyway that's my input and if anybody wants to talk more just pm me, I love to talk about sticky buds! woohoo! PEACE , Dan P.S. I'm 46 so I started at 14 wow and if I had all that money I spent on it I'd be retired LOL.

[ForsakenFalcon]

it's odd every few year's or so i'll gain this sudden strong instinct to quit weed for a few weeks or a few months and adventuraly it just seem's to keep comeing back lol... =/

it's allmost like my soul uses it to sleep and stops it when it wants to be focused lol =P

[Luminari]

I would make another question for anyone smoker, Did anyone realize of loosing to remember the dreams? I've been smoker since 10 years before and in 5 years before I noticed not able to remember my dreams... Anyone in the same situation?

YES!

Whenever I DON'T smoke I have tons of vivid dreams.

[NXS]

As I regular smoker (approx. 10 years) - I totally agree on this -

Paul

ONE love


I'm the exact opposite. I've been a daily user of marijuana for over 10 years now, and I have dreams that are so realistic and vivid, it's as if I'm actually living it as it happens... I'm also able to fully recall these dreams afterwords. :thumb_yello:

[Brinty]

Damn it! I need new glasses. At a quick glance, I thought this thread was titled "CANIBALS Promote Brain Growth." :wall: :mfr_omg:
I was on the verge of rushing next door to eat our neighbour when my wife pointed out my mistake. Just as well - he's pretty fat and I've got a cholesterol problem. :original:

[Luminari]

Damn it! I need new glasses. At a quick glance, I thought this thread was titled "CANIBALS Promote Brain Growth." :wall: :mfr_omg:
I was on the verge of rushing next door to eat our neighbour when my wife pointed out my mistake. Just as well - he's pretty fat and I've got a cholesterol problem. :original:

:roll1: awesome

[TranceAm]

Basically, this research kind of debunks the idea that smoking weed kills brain cells.

I say it depends on the person and how much they smoke. I know some people are very smart, very brilliant but they cannot kick their weed habit long enough to do something with the talent they have.

Not in this corporate land, where only a study from ITT counts for something and not the talents people have...
If you look in history, there were (And Are!) lots of people doing very creative things.

I would almost go out on a limb to state, that there were some primates long ago near a field of hemp that caught fire, they breathed some of the smoke, and one had a thought pop up in his mind.. What if we go to the other side of the river and survive that way instead of running our *** of to stay in front of the approaching fire?. Homo First thought was born... But I can't state that, so I won't. We were "created".

Symbiosis is a close ecological relationship between the individuals of two (or more) different species. Sometimes a symbiotic relationship benefits both species, sometimes one species benefits at the other's expense, and in other cases neither species benefits. (http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/course/ent591k/symbiosis.html)

Just say no (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHfh3pOTT4Q);-)

[Peer]

Not only for the smoking but also:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=37965#post37965

Oh, I must say: After 38 years of smoking on a daily basis I gave it up and although I enjoyed it I never regretted giving it up because my head is clearer and my dreams are back again.

[rosie]

It has also been proven to help with glaucoma, a condition of increased pressure within the eyeball, causing gradual loss of sight.

Moderation is the key, taken at night to help depression, or just to unwind after a hard days work, does wonders.

Note: most people that I know that have indulged moderately for over 20 years do not wear eye glasses. Hmmmm, I wonder.

Has anyone else noticed this?

And yes, I do not wear glasses. The only time I needed them to read fine print was for both my pregancy's, as there was no smoking then of course.

love & peace

[Deoxyan]

Quite funny to see alcohol in moderate consumption promotes cell growth too hahaha i always thought it was the opposite.

[Elephant Man]

Cannabis augmentates our gain antenna and open new doors and windows to imagination.
I couldnt remember my dreams in my smoke years also. And my mind and intuition say to me that i dont need to smoke nowadays.
As a more open wide antenna it may be good or bad depending each person either they are positive based or negative based but most of all can be a usefull tool to think diferent wich isnt a bad thing in a hipnotic world of inconciousness repetitions.
I finded smokes good to play musical instruments for many years i called a better inspiration, nowadays i say diferent inspiration.
Cannabis its a lot better than some manufactured smoke stuff we buy in legal stores that seems to be negative based or was only me far from cure back to time i smoked that weird stuff.

Shows how different we react, I can in no way play music when stoned (5-6 times a year) I absolutely do not understand how it can be done. There is a difference in being a user or an Abuser. I function better now that i use it occasionally, than when it was every day. But thats just me. Drinking however is another story, i f I get drunk (only 3-4 beers) I am very sick (not hungover) but very sick for at least 3 days!! One glass of wine/whisky/vidka you name it, will give me an extreme headache and cause vomiting after 6-8 hours. MJ however, leaves me with no after effects whatsoever. It is individual and something I fortunately dont have to do on a regular basis.

peace:thumb_yello:

[Dantheman62]

:rasta::rasta::rasta::partytime2:

[Bleep!]

Cannabis may promote paranoia and depression in some people.

There are enough paranoid and depressed people here already.

Moderation in all things.

(wise moderation)

[Dantheman62]

Excuse me Bleep, but what the bleep do you know about this bleepin subject? Just kidding. It does make you more bleepin paranoid sometimes, but being paranoid makes you more bleepin careful, and bleepin depression depends on your bleepin frame of mind at the time. I believe that there is nothing bleepin wrong with it overall and should be bleepin legal. Alcohol does alot bleepin worse and is bleepin legal, go bleepin figure! I mean holy bleepin bleep for bleeps sake!..LOL!... Phew!, That's a bleepin mouthfull!

[Orion11]

off to promote some brain growth. ;)

i love how those who have no experience with it,
talk like they know. lil humerous, really.

[Zenbuoy]

Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and produce anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects.




"Makes you brain grow. Hmmm.... I thought it was the camera..."
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[harmony]

According to The True Life Story of a CIA Mind Control Slave by Cathy O'Brien - Trance Formation of America, I remeber that of the many drugs she was allowed to take - marijuana was a big NO NO. It apparently affected her mind control programming.

Also in The Illuminati Formula Used to Create
an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave
by Cisco Wheeler and Fritz Springmeier - they listed multiple drugs that were used specifically to encourage mind control - except marijuana. I've always wondered about that.

Incidently - my husband smoked for years and always claimed he never dreamed. Now - he's quit smoking completely and now mentions a lot of weird far out dreams!

[Orion11]

hahaha, very niice Zen!

there you go, the proof is in the picture. lol

[Orion11]

Yes, Cannabis has the ability to let one think for oneself, and recognize BS when presented with it.

Thats one main reason it is illegal, it really puts a damper on their little games.

that, and because they cannot capitalize on it.

The future is growing in our own back yards. ;)

without any need for help from the PTB.

[Deoxyan]

Cannabis promotes paranoia and depression.

There are enough paranoid people around here already.


completely agree, cannabis as alcohol are not any kind of panacea.

[Orion11]

seems some people havent done their research.

tsk tsk.

alcohol is poison.

cannabis is medicine.

[Dantheman62]

Exactly Orion, and did I say Exactly!

[Deoxyan]

seems some people havent done their research.

tsk tsk.

alcohol is poison.

cannabis is medicine.

you are what i dont like to recognice, that is not a problem. It´s a common thing.

[Orion11]

not really sure what your meaning is. please elaborate if able to do so.

the simple reality of it is..

some people are just not equipped to properly use the tools that nature provides.

Peace

[Dantheman62]

you are what i dont like to recognice, that is not a problem. It´s a common thing.
Uh, huh?

[deepblu777]

Yes, it is backwards..

Alcohol should be illegal, better yet..ABANDONED

pills and all the other chemicals with it.

HERB = natural, safe, benign

:smoke:

[Hypnotize]

i really like this thread cuz' i smoke a lot of weed and i'm really happy to hear it's god for ya'.

[Jsor2112]

I think it is a very good thing. My father died of cancer and during the last few years he was advised by his DR to smoke. It eased his nausea and chronic pain and he kept food down and actually ate a little more. I think they keep it illegal because they make more $$$ that way. Prisons get money for every inmate. Also cities get money to fight "the war on drugs" when there is a bust they weigh the entire plant not just the buds. So say for example an entire plant weighs 10 pounds it is a 10 pound bust but actually MAYBE 1 pound of that is buds. not to mention all of the happy pills that people are prescribed would no longer be needed and thats not good for the pharmacy companies.

[Orion11]

yep,

they cannot capitalize on it like they wish they could.
not to mention, the huge drug companies would be out billions upon billions of dollars
if people were allowed to get the medicine and relief naturally from a plant, instead of from their poison, with infinite negative side effects.

its all about $$$$$$ like jsor said,
fortunately,
for us,
thanks to other people like us, there is enough cannabis seeds on Earth that it will never be gone.

i assure you that.

and please, if i have to create a whole new thread full of scientific studies showing the benefits, as opposed to the risks, i will take the time to do so..

but i promise... it wont leave much room for anyone to come in and dismiss it and continue to call it "bad". lol

:)
Bless

and this vape is for all you 'enlightened' folks. lol

FreetheTree

[Jsor2112]

I look at it like this
Ever puked from smokin too much?
Ever get a hangover from smokin?
Ever been sooooo messed up from pot you can't walk, talk, move? (can't and NOT WANTING TO are different)
Ever picked a fight while high? ( not including over the last slice of pizza!! )
No is the answer to these but if you replace it with alcohol the answers are usually YES


ONE MORE THING
never throw out seeds in the garbage .... save them and toss them out the car window. If it grows wild all over it's harder for them to stop!!!

[warngen]

mine never has seed.

[Stephen]

FYI: Anyone REMEMBER the term LID?

I do from way back when.....From the Late 1960's to the 1970's.

Here is what I found on Wiki-Answers

Question:
Where did the phrase Lid of marijuana originate?

Answer:
Lid, a Baggie, an Ounce

The term 'lid' of marijuana goes back to the 60's. Back then you could buy a 'lid' or a 'can' of pot.
The can was aproximatley 1 oz, the lid was1/8 oz.
The term came from the practice of breaking up a brick (a kilo or later a key) of tightly packed marjijuana and storing and selling it in Price Albert tobacco cans.
A can held approximatelyone ounce.
The lid would hold aproximatley1/8 oz. No one weighed it really, it was all done by eye. By the time I was in high school in the early 70's the term can had gone away and the term lid referred to an ounce.
The term nickel or dime bag was still used in the 70s too. But by that time the amount of pot in the nickel ($5) or dime ($10) would vary - though the price was still $5 or $10.
But; if you bought a 'baggie', it would contain an ounce and the price would vary.
In the 60's a bag was a bag was a can was an ounce and the price for the ounce was 5 or 10 depending on quality.
I don't know if there were 7 dollar bags or 8 dollar bags. Yeah so go buy some okay.

Link: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_did_...uana_originate (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_did_the_phrase_lid_of_marijuana_originate)

Personally from experience of watching people way back when to be Paranoid or Depressed was due to their State-Of-Mind.

NOTE: I edited some of the spelling errors that I could find. I am not an expert speller so I may have missed some. (I have an 'idea' as to why this person that wrote this misspelled so many words) :smoke:

DISCLAIMER: Also none of the views/opinions from this Wiki-Answer site is in ANY way shape or form suggested by and/or condoned by this forum's owners or it's staff.
It is only for infomation and entertainment ONLY.
Avalon and it's Owners and Staff in no way condone the use of anything illegal in any way shape or form.

[Dantheman62]

mine never has seed.
Amen to that!, and I remember OldDood, we never used scales just did everything by eye, and use to call a bag a lid and so forth.

[Bleep!]

Is This is a taste of the caliber of people here?:

"dont be so simple and ignorant, you dumb ****"

That was left in my inbox. How about locking that person out of the forum? People get locked out for a whole lot less.

[Dantheman62]

Hey Bleep, I agree! and it wasn't me just to let you know!

[TranceAm]

This is a taste of the caliber of people here:

"dont be so simple and ignorant, you dumb ****"

That was left in my inbox. How about locking that person out of the forum? People get locked out for a whole lot less.

Nah, you're just a little paranoid...

Cannabis promotes paranoia and depression.

But one gotta stay away from the crack pipe. :tongue2:

[ForsakenFalcon]

Yes, it is backwards..

Alcohol should be illegal, better yet..ABANDONED

pills and all the other chemicals with it.

HERB = natural, safe, benign

:smoke:

Realy nothing should be illegal or abandoned if only People realise whiles takeing these things there are still consiquences from there actions and alot of what they will be experience is due to that substence and there for there perspective is oviously going to be alittle different.

I don't know I can only speak for Myself and Iv tryed many thing's befor except anything that requierd needles (geting injections in my toe to get ingrowns out was bad enough!) and I'v never intentional or unintentional screwed anyone over I don't thief or scame to get $$$ to buy anything I don't general eithen want to go out in public yet alone cause a public disturbence.

I know alot of People who take what I take but are the complete oppisite and when they finaly get busted by the cop's they litraly cry there way out of it and simply blame it on the drug's and allways claime they had no idear what they were doing but while associateing with these ******* when they are being stupid You can clearly see they simply don't want to take responsibily for what they did they don't give a flying s**t. So ultimately it make's People like Me look and feel like utter scum most of the time.

Here is a exsample.....Im a gamer and I love adventure game's espicaly one's with complexed indepth storylines Hell if it wasn't for Final Fantasy 7 I would of NEVER woken up let alone want too. Anyways My Friend Cassa has a nintendo wii while Im a sony fainboi (fan boy) & I use to play the classic Zelda games as a kid Hell My oldist Cat is named after Princess Zelda cause around this area of Frankston My Zelda Rule's All! So Cass lent Me it for a week to play the new Zelda and once Her Mum found out She litraly went mental and verbal at Her for lending Me it saying "He is going to sell it for weed"! ok this is what ****'s Me up the wall the most.
1) I haven't stolen since alittle over 10 year's ago now.
2) I Don't betray My Friend's
3) I don't have any history of scaming anyone....
4) This stupid #%@$%$@ of My Friend's mother hasn't eithen meet Me.....

Then People wounder why I eithen want to get high in the first Place it's to get away from judgemental pieces of #@$@#$ like that and along with many other forms of People out there.

[Dantheman62]

HaHa Zelda, I use to play that game for hours and hours, like 14 hours a day, bought the book and everything, cool game! The legend of Zelda the very first one. Then I got into Super Metroid, ah the good old days. Now I'm a Playstation guy., playing shoot em up games LOL

[PodWORLD]

Of course drugs can work both ways.

Some of the greatest achievements in art were conceived by some who took drugs and some who didnt.

I've had some great times on drugs and great times sober. Men and women have been getting high since the dawn of time and we're all still here. Don't you wish Dubya had remained a coke addict and never got into politics? Is he a clearer thinking, better decision maker now?

As Bill Hicks cheerfully related the inventor of Jogging died young.

Yul Brynner's noggin!

I'm off to have one.

[ForsakenFalcon]

lol the irony of geting high while listening to Gerry Rafferty - Baker Street

[Stephen]

As with ANYthing....Moderation is the KEY.
Food, Sleep, Drink, etc.

[TranceAm]

As with ANYthing....Moderation is the KEY.
Food, Sleep, Drink, etc.

Moderation may be the key,
But setting is the door through wich you enter..

And most important,, is the "why" you would want to open any door and go behind it..

Oh, that this link (http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/HT_provos_0190.html) is an absolute read for any one thinking that Holland was crazy to decriminalize pot usage within its borders..


Dutch Provos
By Teun Voeten

Grootveld It's no secret that Holland has the most liberal drug laws in the world, especially when it comes to cannabis. What you may not realize, however, is that these laws were enacted thanks to the efforts of the Dutch Provos. The Provos set the stage for the creation of the Merry Pranksters, Diggers, and Yippies. They were the first to combine non-violence and absurd humor to create social change. They created the first "Happenings" and "Be-Ins." They were also the first to actively campaign against marijuana prohibition. Even so, they remain relatively unknown outside of Holland. Now, for the first time, their true story is told.

8>-.-.->8

More interested in magic than Marx, Grootveld was an extroverted performance artist with a gift for theatrical gesture. During the early '60s, he attracted massive crowds in Amsterdam with exhibitionistic "Happenings." At the core of Grootveld's philosophy was the belief that the masses had been brainwashed into becoming a herd of addicted consumers, the "despicable plastic people." According to Grootveld, new rituals were needed to awaken these complacent consumers. While the writings of Van Duyn greatly appealed to the educated crowd, Grootveld found his followers among street punks.

Just info remember.. ;-)

[371]

I look at it like this
Ever puked from smokin too much?
YES
Ever get a hangover from smokin?
YES
Ever been sooooo messed up from pot you can't walk, talk, move? (can't and NOT WANTING TO are different)
YES
Ever picked a fight while high? ( not including over the last slice of pizza!! )
I've never PICKED one but others have with me when THEY were high

No is the answer to these but if you replace it with alcohol the answers are usually YES


^What you say is usually true, but by no means always....

I'm not a much of a drinker either, (rarely) but I think people underestimate pot.

If you smoke all the time, and have abit of a tolerance you're right as rain. It has undeniable health benefits when used correctly.

I used to smoke several times a day for about six years, until I finally got sick of being paranoid and looking toasted all the time. Unfortunately at that time I got into other drugs (opiates). Now I only use substances very rarely since I have proven to myself what happens when I let chemicals control me.

I find now that I don't WANT to use pot, as when I do I get SO DAMN HIGH that it's not fun.

Everyone has to use their personal barometer when it comes to this stuff, what's good for one may not be for another.

[Jsor2112]

^What you say is usually true, but by no means always....

I'm not a much of a drinker either, (rarely) but I think people underestimate pot.

If you smoke all the time, and have abit of a tolerance you're right as rain. It has undeniable health benefits when used correctly.

I used to smoke several times a day for about six years, until I finally got sick of being paranoid and looking toasted all the time. Unfortunately at that time I got into other drugs (opiates). Now I only use substances very rarely since I have proven to myself what happens when I let chemicals control me.

I find now that I don't WANT to use pot, as when I do I get SO DAMN HIGH that it's not fun.

Everyone has to use their personal barometer when it comes to this stuff, what's good for one may not be for another.

I've never picked a fight either i think it's pointless (I LOVE EVERYONE WHEN I'M DRUNK) but I've seen it happen WAY TO MANY TIMES!! But i've never seen anyone pick one when only on pot. But that doesn't mean it never happens. Some people are just ***holes and like to fight.
I agree you need to control yourself and yes it does make some people paranoid. I hardly ever smoke anymore due to testing at work. But I did regularly (about a j or 2 a day) in the not so distant past and it helped with the anxiety attacks a lot more then the Xanax that I am prescribed. I only take them like once or twice a week if that. I was taking them as prescribed and I missed a day and had the worst anxiety attack I have ever had:wall:. When I smoked and then didn't for a few days I had no adverse effects. I've actually had some and didn't smoke for a week with no trouble. But some people just smoke 24/7 and as long as they can work, clean the house, pay the bills, take care of the kids etc it's all good.

[warngen]

I agree with the "as long as they can work, clean house, pay bills etc."
I got pinched about 3 months ago, and consequently, I am not going to college right now.(I will have to wait untill the spring) I got caught IN THE MOST STUPID WAY POSSIBLE!!! Before i got pinched, i smoked almost all day. Now i only smoke MAYBE once a week, and when i do, im free. I could clean house, do chores all day when high. But the main thing i do when i rarely get high is: put on some really relaxing music,(I.E. whats in my signature) and just let the ideas and information flow in. Especially on lab grown shrooms. I ate about 1.2 grams of lab shrooms and there was no denying: I was in contact with something or someone. The amount of information and quality of it was unreal. Unfortunately, i could not find a pen and paper! LOL.
But what i wanted to ask is. Where is a descent place to smoke where the cops wont bother you or you wont be worried about getting caught.
Cant smoke in the house, cant smoke in the car.
Any suggestions anyone, especially from the pro tokers?

THANKS :D

[Buruso]

Hi Guys,
last night on Australian television show called "Catalyst" they had a segment on pot and its relationship to psycosis, the latest research is interesting, seems its genetic:
watch
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/2402434.htm
cheers
Buruso