Unknown virus kills in the west of Ukraine

[burgundia]

http://wolnemedia.net/?p=18049&lang=en
UKRAINE. The inhabitants of the western regions of Ukraine reached on an unknown disease, whose symptoms are diagnosed as pneumonia. However, health professionals say the unusual and very rapid course of illness, which has already led to a confirmed death of 40 patients.

[derpif]

Hi,
looks like it is getting serious.
I hope the reports about the spraying are not true.

http://www.windsorstar.com/health/Ukraine+closes+schools+over+H1N1/2167880/story.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmycityua.com%2Fnews%2Fcity%2F2009%2 F10%2F30%2F171747.html&sl=ru&tl=en&history_state0=

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2Fnewsticker%2F2009%2F1 0%2F31%2Fiptc-bdt-20091030-616-22852900xml

[micjer]

Panic in Ukraine, Authorities Deny Aircraft Are Spraying Aerosols Over Cities, Martial Law Expected

'The office of Emergency Response in the district of Desniansko, Kiev, are tonight (30th Oct.) strongly refuting reports that light aircraft were spraying a substance over the city intended to counter a “swine flu pandemic” in Ukraine.

It was reported that light aircraft were seen over the Forest market area of the city (close to the Forest metro station) and they were spraying an aerosol substance intended to “counter swine flu”, this of course would constitute forced medication of the population.

The editors of local newspapers in Kiev received dozens of phone calls from concerned residents and shop owners in the Forest market area of the city reporting they had observed several light airplanes circling in the sky during the day spraying an unidentified aerosol into the atmosphere.

Local newspapers contacted government administrators in Kiev and were told that “no permission had been granted today (30th Oct.) for small aviation aircraft to fly within the city limits”. Also local FM radio stations in Kiev were regularly refuting the reports during broadcasts today, apparently under duress from local authorities.

Reports of helicopters and light airplanes spraying aerosols over Kiev, Lviv, Ternopil, and other cities throughout Ukraine are tonight flooding online forums and websites, hundreds of people have verified the reports with their own eye-witness accounts.'

Read more...


http://info-wars.org/2009/10/31/panic-in-ukraine-authorities-deny-aircraft-spraying-aerosols-over-cities-martial-law-expected/


This is crazy stuff. Who in their right mind would allow spraying of their own people if the rumors are true.

[Ross H]

Not good:nono:

[micjer]

http://info-wars.org/2009/10/31/ukraine%e2%80%99s-deadly-flu-pretext-for-mandatory-vaccination/


Ukraine’s Deadly Flu: Pretext for Mandatory Vaccination?
October 31, 2009 by Infowars Ireland

It comes as no surprise that Ukraine’s tinhorn dictator, Yulia Tymoshenko, has locked down parts of her country in response to the spread of the flu virus. Tymoshenko, after all, is an authoritarian mob boss. “Sometimes I really think that Ukraine needs dictatorship and rule of law. Only a dictator can maintain the rule of law in Ukraine,” she said not long ago. Bush said the same when he was the decider.

[Mystique]

Hi Burgundia, I was searching for information on this topic and missed this thread. I'm sorry to have posted my question about this without seeing this first. Please forgive.

[burgundia]

Hi Burgundia, I was searching for information on this topic and missed this thread. I'm sorry to have posted my question about this without seeing this first. Please forgive.

No problem. I am glad other people are interested in other parts of the world too...:original:

[burgundia]

Now they have decalred pandemic in Bulgaria. 3 people have died.

[waitinginthewings]

update:


Ukraine, Kiev. (Sob. corr.) On November 2. As a result of the epidemic in California and flu symptoms in Ukraine 67 people died. At the treatment is more than 255 thousand citizens. Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko appealed for help to the leadership of Hungary, Romania, Moldova, Slovakia, Poland, USA, Switzerland and other countries. He believes that Ukraine itself can not cope with the epidemic. Slovakia sent 200 thousand gauze bandages, which is half of its reserve. Million armbands contributed Poland. Antigrippoznye drugs shipped Switzerland. Other countries also expelled different medicines. Customs officers have been instructed not to delay the shipment of medicines and bandages. In Ukraine, attended by representatives of the World Health Organization and the United Nations, to consult doctors and to determine the level of danger.

In the nine regions of Western Ukraine are closed and pre-school educational institutions. Defense Ministry banned the sending of conscripts in the army units. Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko outraged that pharmacies inflated the prices of drugs. It threatens to deprive them of their licenses. Security Service of Ukraine in Kiev on 19 closed pharmacies. All presidential candidates have postponed for three weeks of campaigning.

translated from original article:
http://prima-news.ru/rnews-1996.html

[pyrangello]

I've always said 90% of of the people on this earth are good, law abiding individuals and it doesn't matter what country this is happening in , we all need to stand together and be concerned about one another whether it be 1 mile or 2000 miles away.

There are 153 schools closed in Michigan as of last friday, most were going to go back to school today. They are closing mostly for the regular flu, spotty cases of the swine flu are being reported.

It may be soon for all the angels in the heavens to band together to lend us a hand for us here on earth.

[waitinginthewings]

another translated article: seems like we need to pay attention to wha'ts happening in Ukraine.

Urgent. In Ukraine walk viruses pneumonic plague and swine flu. The hospital will issue anti scorbutic suits?

As the "phrase" informed sources, to date 100% confirmed the diagnosis of pneumonic plague in Ukraine. Meanwhile, the head physician of the medical institutions sent out an informal disposal - not to sow panic, to refute the information about the plague, but to speak only of swine flu.

Also required to distribute at health facilities masks with 8 levels of protection suits and anti-plague protection. There is also an informal orders not to let the sick visitors.

According to our knowledge to date in Ukraine go parallel viruses and pneumonic plague, and swine flu. From the plague has killed over 60 people, and the flu - about 14 people.

Pneumonic plague is a particularly dangerous infections. This is one of the most aggressive infections that threaten human life, along with anthrax.

Typically, the agent of pneumonic plague is transferred ferrets, coney, other rodents, including rats, living in warm climates. They are the natural reservoir.

Disease begins acutely with a fever that appears suddenly and rapidly raise the temperature to 40gradusovS. Chill followed by fever, severe headache, dizziness, severe weakness, insomnia, nausea, vomiting, pain in the muscles.


They expressed intoxication, frequent violations of consciousness, frequent psychomotor agitation, delusions, hallucinations.

Typical lurch, facial flushing and conjunctival, slurred speech (patients resemble drunk).
His facial features are sharp, puffy, there are dark circles under his eyes, suffering facial expression, full of fear.

The skin is dry and hot to the touch, it is possible petechial rash, extensive hemorrhage (bleeding), darkening on cadavers.

Rapidly developing symptoms of damage of the cardiovascular system: expanding the boundaries of the heart, voicelessness tones, increasing tachycardia, falling blood pressure, arrhythmia, dyspnea, cyanosis.

Is characteristic type of language: thickened, cracked, crusts, covered with a thick white film.

The tonsils are often enlarged, wounded, on the soft palate hemorrhage.

In severe cases, the color of coffee ground vomiting, frequent loose stools mixed with mucus and blood. Urine is possible admixture of blood and the presence of protein.

There are two main clinical forms of plague: bubonic and pneumonic. In the pulmonary form (primary) appears hemorrhagic inflammation with necrosis of small lung lesions.

Then there are cutting pain in the chest, palpitations, tachycardia, dyspnea, delirium, fear of deep breaths.

Cough appears early, with plenty of viscous transparent, glassy phlegm, which then becomes foamy, liquid, rusty.

Chest pain increases, breathing sharply diminished. Typical symptoms of intoxication, the rapid deterioration, the development of infectious toxic shock. Forecast heavy, death occurs, usually for 3-5 days.

Ukrainians recommended shops to buy only sealed products. If the product is opened (bread, vegetables) - pour boiling water or put in the freezer for some time.

It is hoped that soon it will get colder. . At a temperature of minus 10 viruses do not last long.

[micjer]

Thanks for the update. I agree that we need to pay attention to what is happening here. May be the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

[burgundia]

watch all those 6 videos on Yt....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0JqQyl09zQ&feature=related

[waitinginthewings]

Another source to tune into.
Excerpt from a long article from David Rothscum website:
http://davidrothscum.blogspot.com/

This is a developing story, expect to see possible updates on David Rothscum Reports as more information on what is happening in Ukraine becomes available.

Update 1: For the purpose of keeping information from disappearing, I am going to mirror most information I can find on here.
Comments on the Huffington post website on an article about Moshe's arrest documenting his claim that the Influenza virus in a vaccine manufactured by Baxter in Ukraine replicates RNA from the 1918 flu and is meant as a bioweapon:


Update 2: The Ukrainian government wants to impose travel restrictions on people across the nation to stop the virus from spreading.

Update 3: According to the Huffington post comments I cited above, Dr. Moshe claimed that the virus used replicated RNA of the 1918 Spanish flu. Symptoms of the 1919 Flu include victims being drenched in blood:


American were familiar with the flu; it sent you to bed, made you miserable for 3 or 4 days with fever, muscle aches, and congestion, then left you shaky for about a week. It made millions sick, yet killed only the oldest, youngest, and most feeble.

The 1918 influenza was not the flu Americans were familiar with. It was a horror that turned victims bluish-black then drowned them with their own body fluids. the death toll was highest in the ages 15 to 40, those in the peak of health. The victims would be fine one minute and the next incapacitated, fever-racked, and delirious. Temperatures rose to 104-106 degrees, skin turned blue, purple, or deep brown from lack of oxygen. Massive pneumonia attacked the lungs, filling them with fluid; blood gushed from the nose. Death was quick, savage, and terrifying.

Compare this to reports that are coming out from Ukraine:

Five persons have died from the flue in Lviv, four men and one woman, says emergency hospital chief doctor Myron Borysevych.

Two of the dead patients were in the 22-35 age group, with 2 others over 60. He diagnosed the disease as viral pneumonia.

(...)

Viral tests can last from one to two weeks. They are complicated and not done in Lviv. The course of the disease was very quick. The symptoms included very high temperature and short-wind cough.
(...)

All the six dead young people had symptoms of severe hemmorhagic pneumonia. The disease starts slowly, with temperature rising to 37.2 – 37.3 degrees, slight cough and pain in joints. Nasal catarrh developed at the end of the second or third day. Autopsy revealed that the lungs were soaked with blood, the oblast chief specialist said.

[waitinginthewings]

Update from RT network:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2_8SsFnq7M&feature=player_embedded

[Sarahmay]

From urbansurvival.com:

This is an email that George Ure recd:

"This story may be the most important of our lifetimes. I'm a retired Ph.D. biochemist FYI. I conjecture that much of the coming troubles the web bot project speaks of may well arise from this new flu variant. I note that the first cases appeared a few days ago, just the length of the incubation period from October 25th.

OK, a Mossad microbiologist warned two months ago that a new deadly flu bug was going to be released into Ukraine in two months. He got the place right, the bug right, and the time right.

The sequence of all 8 pieces of RNA in the virus that caused the "Spanish flu" pandemic of 1918-1919 is public knowledge. A long dead Inuit woman buried in the permafrost was dug up and the virus taken from her body a couple of years ago and the RNA pieces were sequenced. Quite simple to synthesize these 8 pieces with widely available commercial machines and reagents. Then transfect mammalian cells with the RNA genes to obtain the intact, fully functional, virus. Another quite well known technology. Then grow all you want in fertilized chicken eggs or a mammalian immortal cell line. More quite well known technologies.

What scares the sh*t out of me is that the bleeding in the lungs is exactly what killed a lot of folks in the 1918-19 pandemic. See the great book "The Great Influenza: The story of the deadliest pandemic in history ." People would literally fall dead walking across the street. The bleeding out of the lungs was most likely the result of a "cytokine storm" that so increased the vascular permeability in the air sacks that blood filled the lungs. The reason why the mortality in the 1918-1919 pandemic was concentrated in the 18-25 yo cohort was that they had the most active immune systems.

Now I've NO conjecture as to who may have let this loose or why. But I do know that the technology is widespread to replicate the 1918-1919 virus that killed 2-4 million Americans and about 50 million world wide. And folks only traveled by ship in 1918. And there is NO vaccine for this flu type.

Hopefully we will know in a couple of weeks the sequences of the 8 RNA pieces in the Ukraine virus. I'll bet the farm that it is a replicant of the "Spanish Flu." If so, the odds are totally infinitesimal that this was NOT a deliberate bioweapon release.

I note that long haul truckers will simply go home and park their rigs if this flu reaches the USA. And exactly what reason do we have to suppose that it will be confined to Ukraine? The average city has 3 days of food. Connect the dots... please...............

[TheObserver]

Now they have decalred pandemic in Bulgaria. 3 people have died.

3 people a pandemic? :lmao:

[Sarahmay]

More than 70 have died, and it doesn't resemble the NWO swine flu symptoms. This seems to be something else.

[waitinginthewings]

More than 70 have died, and it doesn't resemble the NWO swine flu symptoms. This seems to be something else.

Maybe its the follow-up to the swine flu, much more lethal. Could explain why the supposed shortage of vaccines for the H1N1.....they probably decided to not waste any more money on that one, & instead put out this new virus, which appears to be more deadly & there is no vaccine for it.

[pyrangello]

There's another strain coming from south america heading north as well. Might be time to saddle up and get ready for a bumpy ride, remember no fear based mentality, just reason.

[waitinginthewings]

There's another strain coming from south america heading north as well. Might be time to saddle up and get ready for a bumpy ride, remember no fear based mentality, just reason.

have not come across anything of this one....where did you hear this......time to batten down the hatches......their coming at us from all sides:naughty:

[Metaphor]

Ex mossad agent claims the Ukranian outbreak is started by Baxter:

http://www.unfictional.com/joseph-moshe-mossad-bioweapon-swine-flu-vaccine-westwood

[pyrangello]

I'm thinking it was argentina or that area, have heard it over interviews 2 or 3 times, Its was I think another form of the H1N1 . but there was definately something coming in from the south heading north.

[waitinginthewings]

Here is an interview from yesterday. Jeff Rense interviews Dr. Henry Niman on the situation in Ukraine

http://www.rense.com/

Scroll down the page & the interview is right at the top of the list.

He paints a grim picture of the overall situation. Worth listening to.

[lucrum]

Seems I posted on a discontinued thread about this, but I'm gonna say the same thing here.

It is now claimed this is H1N1, nothing else. I don't get how they can say it's not H1N1, then completely turn around and suddenly say it is. Around here the media is using it as an excuse as to why we should take the shot. Is this why? More fear propaganda to scare the masses into vaccination?

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_11_03/en/index.html

I don't buy it, and neither does a few of my fellow countrymen which have pressed charges towards our health officials for actively spreading fear mongering propaganda and blatantly lie about the severeness and deadlyness of H1N1, not to mention the safety of the fluvaccine.

We got 29 official reports on severe/unusual sideeffects of the vaccine here now, along with one death that occured 3 days after a woman in her twenties took the shot. She was in the highrisk group for fatal H1N1. It's denied that the vaccine had anything to do with the sudden, unexpected death after taking the vaccine.

Compare that to, what, 5 deaths and severeal hundred reports of severe reactions in Sweden, I'm thinking numbers around here is hushed down.

Today it was mentioned on tv, right after childrens tv, that kids up to 14 years of age are in the biggest risk of getting this flu. I find this as a repulsive attempt to scare the kids, so they in turn will turn on their parents if they choose not to take the shot.

I'd kick some butts if I thought it would help, and I wasn't in need of darn crutches cause of my recent ancle surgery! :P

[burgundia]

185 documented cases of A/H1N1 in Poland. The course of the illness in most cases... mild.

[Avid]

Please also refer to http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=184187&postcount=36
the Swine flu tracking thread.
Take D3 and Vit C folks
Avid :lightsabre:

[pyrangello]

Lucrum, go to www.planforflu.com , you are almost saying the same words as they use, they are updating their site every few days as things are changing. This is an open to the public site. Good Info.

[lucrum]

Read the first page there and I agree...with some of it.

I'm not sure I totally get what message they are trying to spread on that site. In some ways they seem against the vaccine, but later on they write as if they are supporting the vaccine but don't agree that governments have enough of it.

Swedish government have been accused of foul play, norwegian have been accused of foul play. There are people all over, saying they have prime evidence to their claims. I don't think everyone is in on it, not all government officials know that this whole thing is a lie.

The lack of information regarding a common factor for those who contracted severe illness from the otherwise harmless A/H1N1 virus, is making me very very suspicious.
The fact that we have an estimate of 1400-1500 deaths from seasonal flu every year, is making me call bs on this one.

15 people dead so far here, only 2 was known to be "healthy". So far, nothing to see here.

I saw a clip from one of the labs testing for H1N1 in samples taken from suspected patients. None of them wore masks or seemed to take any measure at all against the virus they are testing. Health officials here said sneezing or coughing inside you elbow was not a safe measure against spreading the virus. In fact, she said it increased the chance of spread because it dried up in the fabric of your clothes and was spread by air that way...

Tell me, since when did these viruses start to survive in such enviroments? What makes our health departement go against all other nations in the world on this one?

I'm not personally taking any measure against swineflu or any other flu. I rarely get the flu at all, and if I do I'm sick for like 2 days without even a fever.
I'm gonna stay positive and never worry, I have enough experience to know that mental unbalance is more than enough to catch every decease out there.

70% effectiveness for "immunization" from the flu-shot, and even then you might get sick. Either from the flu or from the shot itself.
What the heck is so great about that!?

[Humble Janitor]

Hard to fight fear with all of these reports.

Though I believe that one way or another, the criminals responsible for engineering these viruses will pay one way or another.

[burgundia]

Apparently the virus is moving east.....affecting the eastern regions of Ukraine. So far 81 deaths due to the virus ( but do we really know what virus?)

[pyrangello]

Burgundia, please keep us updated as this may be a front line info for us in other areas of the world , on the rense interview the one doctor that gave his opinion said there was only one official that was keeping track in an area that had a popualtion of 5 million. His concern was that of the people who were sick vs. the amount of fatalities we were already at the 1% fatality rate that being equal to 1918 which was a big concern as this is escalating and the lack of information as well.

HJ keep the fear in check , were all in this together. Staying educated is your biggest offense.

[Ancient Alien]

Recent observation from Ukraine:
"In Kiev young people ask and dig for information about the 15 low flying aircrafts that each day at the same time poured out with what is described as white powders, one of the major television channels in Ukraine, Novy Kanal, told Today that aircraft is spraying the city with antibodies to decrease the number of infected people. Lemons and garlic now costs about 25 U.S. kilo in Ukraine, compared to 8.10 U.S. for only a month ago. People we talked to in Ukraine when we were there on a visit for about 2 weeks ago and friends from Ukraine on the Internet, does not take the media and flu propaganda seriously, fortunately, they know there is a conspiracy, and many believe it is a stunt with NWO and to prevent Julia Timoschenko win votes ahead of elections which is in January. Chemtrails are also very much informed about, thanks to the internet. "

(Retrieved from: http://www.nyhetsspeilet.no/2009/11/norge-har-kj% c3% b8pt-en-mindreverdig-svinefluvaksine/comment-page-4 # comments by M. JOHAN)

[waitinginthewings]

Reported Cases in Ukraine Double in Two Days

Filed Under Pandemic, Ukraine

* 478,456 Influenza/ARI
* 24,003 Hospitalized
* 60 Ventilators
* 81 Deaths

The above numbers are from the latest update from Ukraine. The number of infected patients has almost doubled to just under ½ million, compared to the report two days ago (see map). Hospitalized patients also have spiked higher, to 24K from 15K. ICU cases are not listed, but 60 on ventilators are. However, most (37) of those on ventilators are Chernivisti Oblast, but Lviv, which has the most fatalities and cases, has none, suggesting the data is incomplete or there are significant shortages of ventilators. The number of dead has risen to 81, but media reports describe additional fatalities, include those in the Kiev Oblast. contd/...................................

http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/blog/2009/11/04/reported-cases-in-ukraine-double-in-two-days/

[burgundia]

prominent Polish politicians are now openly saying that the flu pandemic is a hoax , that it is suspecious that governments are ordering the vaccines, and that pharmaceutical companies are in cahoots with governments and with one another.

[viking]

Panic in Ukraine, Authorities deny aircraft are spraying aerosols over cities, Martial Law expected

program on November 1, 2009

The office of Emergency Response in the district of Desniansko, Kiev, are tonight (30th Oct.) strongly refuting reports that light aircraft were spraying a substance over the city intended to counter a “swine flu pandemic” in Ukraine.

It was reported that light aircraft were seen over the Forest market area of the city (close to the Forest metro station) and they were spraying an aerosol substance intended to “counter swine flu”, this of course would constitute forced medication of the population.

The editors of local newspapers in Kiev received dozens of phone calls from concerned residents and shop owners in the Forest market area of the city reporting they had observed several light airplanes circling in the sky during the day spraying an unidentified aerosol into the atmosphere.

Retailers and local business people reported they were advised to “stay indoors” during the day by local authorities.

Local newspapers contacted government administrators in Kiev and were told that “no permission had been granted today (30th Oct.) for small aviation aircraft to fly within the city limits”. Also local FM radio stations in Kiev were regularly refuting the reports during broadcasts today, apparently under duress from local authorities.

Reports of helicopters and light airplanes spraying aerosols over Kiev, Lviv, Ternopil, and other cities throughout Ukraine are tonight flooding online forums and websites, hundreds of people have verified the reports with their own eye-witness accounts.

On 30th October President Viktor Yushchenko ordered the Ministry of Defense to establish mobile military hospitals throughout Ukraine, to assist and provide “essential medications” to people with swine-flu. Yushchenko has also ordered medical personnel from the reserve defense forces to report for duty.

An order from President Yushchenko is expected soon that will effectively place Ukraine under “martial law”.
“Due to the complex epidemiological situation in the western regions of Ukraine, where tens of thousands of people have become ill, thousands are in hospital, and dozens have died.”

Nine regions of Ukraine have declared a quarantine around the country and public events have been banned (including the elections).The Clergy have been ordered not to hold any Church or religious services on Sundays or to gather a congregation for any reason whatsoever. Police are also enforcing the compulsory wearing of protective face masks, any driver caught not wearing a mask faces harsh legal penalties.

Earlier, health authorities in western Ukraine reported a “severe outbreak of UNIDENTIFIED Influenza, suspected by doctors to be a form of viral pneumonia”. The disease has already claimed a number of lives in the region. In Lviv, schools have been closed and authorities are conducting emergency meetings to determine how to deal with the outbreak.

http://dprogram.net/2009/11/01/panic-in-ukraine-authorities-deny-aircraft-are-spraying-aerosols-over-cities-martial-law-expected/

viking

[lucrum]

Do Ukrainian scientists still claim the unidentified influenza to be just that, unidentified?

It would be great to know, since WHO and practically everyone else is reporting that the formerly unknown strain is H1N1 and nothing else. Are these reports fabricated to make it look like just another severe case of the swineflu to people outside the country?

[lucrum]

Ukrainian minister of health says swineflu hysteria is a politically and media produced phenomenon, with no roots in reality:

http://zik.com.ua/en/news/2009/11/03/203066

[viking]

Like I said they (ptw)are trying to RAMP this up...

Let your thoughts travel elsewhere towards a positive outcome...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmxT21uFRwM

viking

[burgundia]

It's a pity we do not have anybody from ukraine to tell us what the situation is really like. A few days ago I watched a video from Ukrainian street. The people were calm, going about their own business....For sure it is now difficult to buy garlic...

[WiNaDeYo]

This is a good source for keeping up on the "official" reports :

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/woalert_read.php?glide=EP-20091028-23630-UKR&cat=dis&lang=eng

I have found this interesting :
04.11.2009 19:00
Press office of President Victor Yushchenko
President's address to the Ukrainian people on the occasion of flu epidemic in Ukraine

http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/15609.html

And here's another reference saying that it's really Plague:

http://preventdisease.com/news/09/110409_ukraine_plague_flu_strain_more_lethal_H1N1. shtml

The Ukraine people are in my prayers.

Peace and Good Will!

[waitinginthewings]

There is also conflicting information about the use of masks. I have seen interviews with Dr's who said that the masks are useless in protecting from the virus......& yet the people in Ukraine are being told to wear them. I also have seen people in the US & Canada wearing them. Wish we had the straight goods on this.

[MoV]

on oct 5 total infections in Ukraine around 478000 , 4000 from the army, the borders with Romania are closed and I've heard rumors that Ukraine is under martial law since yesterday but this in not on the mainstream media.
Here in Romania (total infections around 750) the hospitals are under quarantine some of the schools are closed.

[micjer]

http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1609%3Amartial-law-in-the-ukraine-president-announces-arrests-of-opponents-of-forced-vaccination-and-quarantines-who-carries-out-coup-d-etat-under-pandemic-emergency-pretext&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en



MARTIAL LAW IN THE UKRAINE * PRESIDENT ANNOUNCES ARRESTS OF OPPONENTS OF FORCED VACCINATION AND QUARANTINES * WHO CARRIES OUT COUP D' ETAT UNDER PANDEMIC EMERGENCY PRETEXT



The Ukrainian President Victor Yushchenko has issued a statement strongly suggesting that the government is preparing to carry out mass forced vaccinations with the untested swine flu jab.

In a statement posted on the government website, Yushchenko announced a crack down on political protests and orders for the arrest of public health officials who have opposed mass "swine flu“ vaccinations and quarantines.

http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/15609.html

"I instruct the Government and the Ministry of Health to immediately start preventive and promotional work in areas where there is no epidemic, targeting primarily the special risk groups,“ he said.

"This means that medical aid must be urgently reinforced by emergency, critical care treatment. It is generally known that the only way to prevent any infection is vaccination,“ he said.

Yushchenko said he had ordered key medical officials who allowed political protests against the government to continue in the city of Kiev to be arrested under the pretext that they were jeopardising public health.


con't

[viking]

:mad3: I just don't believe this ... :nono:

I wonder of it will be on mainsteam later....


viking

[burgundia]

Bulgaria- flu pandemic declared in the whole country. Starting next Monday all schools will be closed for 5 days. regional authorities will be deciding whether or not to close kindrgartens, colleges, universities,etc. In hospitals operations cancelled, it is forbidden to visit patients in hospitals. However cinemas, discos, cafes, restaurants won't be closed.
According to the official statistics: 201/10,000 people ill. 6 people died of A/H1N1 flu.

[Swanny]

Without meaning to scare anyone it looks like they have started their game :thumbdown:

Viking posted this yesterday and it fits http://www.ken-welch.com/Commentary/Pandemic1.html

[Dantheman62]

Alrighty then, sorry Swanny but as soon as I read the first sentence in that Ken Welch link, about how he's done reverse speech on government officials, I quickly reversed my a..ss out of there!

[Ross H]

This is a good source for keeping up on the "official" reports :

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/woalert_read.php?glide=EP-20091028-23630-UKR&cat=dis&lang=eng

I have found this interesting :
04.11.2009 19:00
Press office of President Victor Yushchenko
President's address to the Ukrainian people on the occasion of flu epidemic in Ukraine

http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/15609.html

And here's another reference saying that it's really Plague:

http://preventdisease.com/news/09/110409_ukraine_plague_flu_strain_more_lethal_H1N1. shtml

The Ukraine people are in my prayers.

Peace and Good Will!


I have also heard that this is not H1N1 but more like a plague...

Perhaps this is the new threat, something far more sinister, as H1N1 has not had the desired outcome "they" were hoping for.

Start a plague in Europe and, well...I need not say more...

Peace always

[Swanny]

Alrighty then, sorry Swanny but as soon as I read the first sentence in that Ken Welch link, about how he's done reverse speech on government officials, I quickly reversed my a..ss out of there!

I've never heard of him or reversed speech before but what he says makes a lot of sense and fits with how things are shaping up

[Ancient Alien]

I've never heard of him or reversed speech before but what he says makes a lot of sense and fits with how things are shaping up

I agree with you, Swanny!

TERESA FORCADES, doctor in Public Health, reflects on the history, and gives scientific data, of A type flu and lists all the irregularities related to this subject.

She explains the consequences of the declaration of a PANDEMIC, the political consequences from this declaration and makes a proposal to keep calm. She calls for an urgent activation of all legal mechanism and the participation of all citizens in this matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0JqQyl09zQ

Is a global, cytokine storm ahead?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm

[micjer]

Thanks for the link Ancient Alien.

This is from the description of a Cytokine Storm.


Role in pandemic deaths
It is believed that cytokine storms were responsible for many of the deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic, which killed a disproportionate number of young adults.[1] In this case, a healthy immune system may have been a liability rather than an asset. Preliminary research results from Hong Kong also indicated this as the probable reason for many deaths during the SARS epidemic in 2003.[6] Human deaths from the bird flu H5N1 usually involve cytokine storms as well.[7] Recent reports of high mortality among healthy young adults in the 2009 swine flu outbreak has led to speculation that cytokine storms could be responsible for these deaths.[8] However, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have indicated that symptoms reported from this strain so far are similar to those of normal seasonal flu,[9] with the CDC stating that there is "insufficient information to date about clinical complications of this variant of swine-origin influenza A (H1N1) virus infection."[9]

[morguana]

update
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/woalert_read.php?cid=23630

from here
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/?area=&lang=eng


Situation Update No. 30
On 08.11.2009 at 13:33 GMT+2

The death toll from the flu outbreak in Ukraine has risen to 144 cases, the country's Health Ministry reported on Sunday. According to the ministry, 15 regions in the ex-Soviet republic had already crossed the flu epidemic threshold while 11 provinces were close to it. The Ukrainian government imposed quarantine in nine western provinces in late October in an attempt to curb the spread of flu. All education establishments in Kiev were closed, and people were obliged to wear medical masks in all catering establishments, shops and social services facilities across the former Soviet republic. Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko earlier requested help from other countries over the outbreak of flu. The Ukrainian Health Ministry said on Monday 255,000 flu cases had been registered in the country, with some 15,000 people receiving treatment in hospital. The Health Ministry has confirmed the death of 14 people from swine flu and 32 swine flu cases in the country. The Ukrainian parliament has approved the allocation of 1 billion hryvnias ($125 million) on measures to fight swine and seasonal flu.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Situation Update No. 29
On 08.11.2009 at 04:05 GMT+2

An epidemic of flu and respiratory infections has now taken 135 lives in Ukraine, the health ministry said, as the country Saturday received a new portion of medical aid from Europe. A total of 871,037 people have been recorded ill with flu and acute respiratory infections since late October, with 39,603 of them hospitalized, including 317 people in a grave condition, the ministry said. The country has reported 32 cases of swine flu including 14 deaths connected with the A(H1N1) virus although officials have said the death toll from an outbreak of flu and respiratory infections had risen to 109, but added the epidemic showed signs of easing. The World Health Organisation has said it assumes the epidemic is swine flu. said it could prove to be the main strain of flu in the country. Health authorities in Ukraine said the death toll from an outbreak of flu and respiratory infections had risen to 109, but added the epidemic showed signs of easing. The World Health Organisation has said it assumes the epidemic is swine flu. said it could prove to be the main strain of flu in the country.

A plane with Austrian assistance worth 2.5 million Ukrainian hryvnias (more than 300,000 dollars) arrived in Kiev early on Saturday, the press officer of the European Commission delegation to Ukraine, David Stulik said. "The consignment, of total weight 10.4 tonnes, consists of 464,640 protective masks, disinfectant liquids for face, hands and surfaces as well as 150,000 pairs of protective gloves," he said. The United States is planning to deliver Ukraine 930,000 doses of vaccines for immunization against swine flu in early December, the embassy said. Meanwhile, the panic over the flu epidemic has caused speculation of the possible imposing of a state of emergency and postponing of the presidential elections, scheduled on January, 17, 2010. The secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council Raisa Bohatyriova said in a TV interview that there were some prerequisites for the emergency measures. "To save other people perhaps we need the state of emergency. And there are the constitutional prerequisites (for that)...," Bohatyriova said. But Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko refuted that the epidemic may influence the date of the presidential elections, saying that "for the moment there is no need for the cancellation of the elections." Analysts suggested that rival Ukrainian leaders may be trying to exploit popular fears in campaigning ahead of January 17 presidential polls, as each candidate seeks to take the initiative in fighting the outbreak.



etc etc :lightsabre:
poor folk :tears:
so it begins.....?

bou x

[Thunderbird]

http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/

good source for whats up in ukraine....

[micjer]

Doesn't it seem extremely odd that there is no coverage by the major networks in the US? ie ABC NBC CBS FOX CNN ...

Something of this magnitude should warrant some airplay.


This makes this whole situation stink that much more.

There is little to no coverage in Canada either. CTV CBC GLOBAL nothing.

:shocked:

[micjer]

http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/

good source for whats up in ukraine....



great link T-bird.


It sounds like it is more likely not swine flu. This is probably why they are not talking about it on MSM.

[lucrum]

Actually, this is the first morning here that no new articles about swineflu is to be found in the major tabloids.

Could be that the MSM is having a lockdown on the ukranian situation, yeah...

[Swanny]

Doesn't it seem extremely odd that there is no coverage by the major networks in the US? ie ABC NBC CBS FOX CNN ...

Something of this magnitude should warrant some airplay.


This makes this whole situation stink that much more.

There is little to no coverage in Canada either. CTV CBC GLOBAL nothing.

:shocked:

Same thing is happening here, no media coverage :zip:

[lucrum]

Nope, still nothing....other than one article to bring forward the douchebags that try to make money off the work some of us try to do around all the disinfo and lies that float around.

Guy with a website, dedicated to stop people from taking the vaccine...nice enough of him, if it weren't for his effort to try to sell overpriced gloves and other decease-preventing stuff.

MSM is good at digging up the bad examples, unfortunatly...

[Seashore]

Here is an interview from yesterday. Jeff Rense interviews Dr. Henry Niman on the situation in Ukraine

http://www.rense.com/

Scroll down the page & the interview is right at the top of the list.



http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/

good source for whats up in ukraine....

The blog referenced above links to the website www.recombinomics.com, which is Henry Niman's website.

I would like to point out something about Henry Niman.

My understanding is that he owns a patent and that he stands to make a lot of money from the situation we're in. I'm not sure exactly how - whether it is from the sale of vaccines, or whether it's just from tracking viruses.

When interviewed, Niman seems to be saying that the swine flu virus - which is actually a misnomer by my understanding, because it has 3 components: swine, avian, and human - can occur in nature. Also, he seems to think vaccines are just fine for us.

I believe that conventional wisdom is that a swine, avian, human virus does not occur in nature; it would have to be created in a lab.

So I think these are two things that we need to keep in mind when using Henry Niman as a source of information as we piece together this puzzle.

[burgundia]

I can retell you what I read in Poland.....
About one million sick in Ukraine, both flu and respiratory track infections...
So far 155 people have died, 11 within the last 24 hours....
First death in Latvia, caused by flu....
Italy's hospitals paralyzed because of the number of patients admitted with the A/H1N1 symptoms....
But there are voices saying that it is a "media virus"....

[viking]

Mmmm a 'media virus' ...

No mainstream... nothing... WHY??

Perhaps its a test bed for....'lets see how this pans out...if it works then we can dupe the rest of the population' ....

PTW...clutching straws???

viking

[morguana]

no mainstream because of the panic that could happen :wall:
they will wait and see what happens next :mad3:
bou x

[Seashore]

My understanding is that the WHO has yet to release the gene sequence of the virus in Ukraine.

Why?

[burgundia]

My understanding is that the WHO has yet to release the gene sequence of the virus in Ukraine.

Why?

Hmmm...Ukraine could be a testing ground for something....

[waitinginthewings]

Hmmm...Ukraine could be a testing ground for something....

Bingo!....indeed this is what I believe also.......watch for Dec/Jan. when the real pandemic begins & will go worldwide. What we are seeing now is just a test run.

[burgundia]

And listen now to this!!!

the flu is subsiding now, but..................they are expecting the second and third wave, the second in the middle of the winter:January-February and the third one later....

[waitinginthewings]

And listen now to this!!!

the flu is subsiding now, but..................they are expecting the second and third wave, the second in the middle of the winter:January-February and the third one later....

I'm thinking that the vaccine together with the spread of the swine flu virus is the first stage of the "big agenda" depopulation. People's immune system will become weaker from exposure to the flu & the vaccine, making them even more vulnerable to the next onslaught which they probably already have released in the Ukraine. So yes, I'm still thinking this will start showing in Dec.

[micjer]

I'm thinking that the vaccine together with the spread of the swine flu virus is the first stage of the "big agenda" depopulation. People's immune system will become weaker from exposure to the flu & the vaccine, making them even more vulnerable to the next onslaught which they probably already have released in the Ukraine. So yes, I'm still thinking this will start showing in Dec.



I think that this is the only thing that makes sense. I don't like it but it makes sense.

Ok if we assume that this was a testing area, did they start it by chemtrails or was it introduced into ventilation systems in hospitals and public areas.

:mad3:

[burgundia]

a few years ago i had a very strange "illness"....No sore throat, no headaches, no muscle pains, but.....a general feeling of not-well-being and lowered body temperature, between 35-36 degrees Celsius ( normal is 36.6C). it passed after a few days. A few days ago my father had the same symptoms....When your temperature drops it means that your system is weakened....

[Seashore]

I believe there is a theory that the spraying that was done was a substance that works together with the vaccine to trigger the flu.

Did many people in Ukraine get vaccinated?

[burgundia]

Did many people in Ukraine get vaccinated?

I don't think so....

[waitinginthewings]

I think that this is the only thing that makes sense. I don't like it but it makes sense.

Ok if we assume that this was a testing area, did they start it by chemtrails or was it introduced into ventilation systems in hospitals and public areas.

:mad3:

I'm thinking they released it via chemtrails....too risky to do it through ventilation systems & not enough of the population would be exposed. Chemtrails works & no one knows what in those trails. No one can stop them and ask questions.

We have not heard any more about the Aborigine tribe, where 30 of them died in the Brazilian forest......that story has completely dried up...hmm. Another testing ground for sure.

[Swanny]

And listen now to this!!!

the flu is subsiding now, but..................they are expecting the second and third wave, the second in the middle of the winter:January-February and the third one later....
Not looking forward to that, haven't had a cold for over a year and despite taking MMS colloidal silver Vit D3 and al sorts of other weird things I've had swan flu since last thursday :sad:

[burgundia]

Not looking forward to that, haven't had a cold for over a year and despite taking MMS colloidal silver Vit D3 and al sorts of other weird things I've had swan flu since last thursday :sad:

Swan flu......this is something new...I hope i didn't cause that with all my swan photos....:lmfao:

[Seashore]

Swan flu......this is something new...I hope i didn't cause that with all my swan photos....:lmfao:

:mfr_lol:

[Swanny]

Swan flu is horrible you really don't want it I feel like **** :sad:

[Seashore]

Swan flu is horrible you really don't want it I feel like **** :sad:

Swanny, what is "swan" flu?

[Ancient Alien]

Police prepare drill for swan flu at school ... sorry, I meant plague:

http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2009/11/05/r_8l0hseoxscsv0obpnsupkg/index.xml

[Humble Janitor]

Not looking forward to that, haven't had a cold for over a year and despite taking MMS colloidal silver Vit D3 and al sorts of other weird things I've had swan flu since last thursday :sad:

I just started taking Vit D3 and upping my intake of fruits.

I've never been the healthiest person so I assume my general health is fair.

[Swanny]

Swanny, what is "swan" flu?

It's like man flu but Swannys get it :original:

[Seashore]

It's like man flu but Swannys get it :original:

I see. I was going to say spell it right - "swann" - but I guess it's like "John" and "Johnny."

Nevermind!! :mfr_lol:

[Humble Janitor]

I certainly don't want swanny flu! That's worse than swine flu!

[Thunderbird]

Hey there,
i had swine flu a number of weeks back.

i did the stupidest thing and took nyquil at the onset....
boy was THAT dumb.

anyway i didnt take silver, or D3, or anything except bedrest, youtube conspiracy vids, and plenty of water. Ths was before i knew swine flu was genetically created in a lab.

I found out about that while bed riden after i meditated with the virus, which i do with ever cold, virus, r bacteria so that i can understand what im dealing with and find an appropriate response.

when i meditated with it i got the distinct impression that the more i tried to push this franken bug out of the metaphorical party that is my body, the stronger it would get and the more it would refuse.

so i eventually pictured it being a low self esteemed frankendude that really just wanted to hang out in the party and got angry and reacted with its unconscious program of resistance and violence if it was forcibly ejected.

so i just kept the party going and allowed franken bug to hang, while warning the other party goers to give him space and dont make any untoward advances or gestures it would take as threatening.

my whole mindset was really just relax and have as good a time as i could.

it worked. after 4 days of straight bedrest and water i was up and out again.

thats my story.

i tell you what though....if this 1918 thang comes around...i WILL be poppin D3 regularly and at any onset wil super dose myself with D3, silver, and MMS and straight meditate while i medicate.

ive been dreaming up metaphorical shaman style cytokine responses to prevent a melt down...

what is that quote that can make a rich man cry and a poor man laugh?

"This too shall pass...."

[waitinginthewings]

http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2009/11/email-to-me-from-clif-high-of-web-bot.html

Tuesday, November 10, 2009
An Email To Me From Clif High Of Web bot Regarding The Ukraine Situation
I had emailed Clif High the following today 11/10/09


Hi Clif,

I am very sorry to bother you, but I do have a Big question.

I have started a blog - about all the information available (MSM isn't touching) of what is going on in the Ukraine. I don't know if you realize everything happening, but over One million people are sick within a week there - and the doctors have said it is the pneumonic plague.

I know you don't go to sites around the net etc. I am still linking it here - I update it constantly all day with the latest news - that I dig up.
http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/

I am keeping trying to keep it as a strict news source only (not throwing in all the conspiracies except some Russian articles today -sure are loaded up with real information that is conspiracy theorist dreams!).

But, besides that - this started exactly on the dates of the "bleeding lungs" prediction and "ill winds" (positive eyewitnesses say low flying planes were spraying the Ukraine, the day before this huge out break).

One question - this is the Hit for the bot as far as I am concerned and the Ill winds fit - my question is -where does the around the world 9 times come in? Once it goes around the world and it is there -how 9 times? Do you agree, this is the Hit for the bot this is the bleeding lungs and ill winds?

I will not be putting this in the blog - but it is something I have been contemplating and trying to figure out. Unless you agree to me putting your answer on my blog - and I would do it on my other blog - that has a lot about the webbot (sherriequestioningall blog) .

Sherrie


Clif's Email back to me

Sherrie

yes, i am sadly of the opinion that the linguistics coming out of ukraine do fit the patterns forecast. Further the disease descriptions are very close (74%) to the forecast ill winds descriptors. So, likely this will be the beginning of round 1/one of the 9 times. The numbers may not be accurate of course, and may be archetypic to merely 'around the world many times'. We will see over these next few months. I await the Olympics with some interest to see
how TPTB will handle the 'disease' issue there and then.

Sure, post is fine.
clif


Now regarding the Olympics and Web bot Prediction

***Note - if you are not familiar with the prediction for the Olympics - I will briefly say - THINK UKRAINE EVENTS - Happening Right Now** The Prediction - is basically A releasing (spraying?) in Area during the Olympics of a horrible disease (plague, like Ukraine?) and Death following - people carrying it around the world from there.**
Posted by Sherrie Questioning All at 6:07 PM

Also check out this site for info on the Belarus situation.
http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/

[TruthWillSetUFree]

New Report on the flu killing people-this does not sound good people
They are saying you can get it through the eyes and goes directly into the lungs.
Original link here http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2009_11_01_archive.html


Friday, November 13, 2009

And yes, I realise this is an INFORMATION WAR but we need to get to the truth. If this is ********, I'll pull it. Otherwise, here's a very shocking report from 6 hours ago, via a Russian Newspaper. Ready? Then read on.

All victims of the virus in Bukovyna (22 people at the age of 20-40) died not from bilateral pneumonia, as was previously thought, but as a result of viral distress syndrome, i.e the total destruction of the lungs.

At first the cardio-pulmonary insufficiency comes, and consequently cardiogenic shock is developed, which causes cardiac standstill and death, told the chief of bureau of the Chernivtsi regional forensic examination, doctor of science, Professor Viktor Bachynsky, UNIAN reports.

"During a bilateral pneumonia some morphological picture is observed. As of data of deaths, there is no such morphological picture. The virus, which causes death, is very aggressive, it does not strike the trachea, but immediately gets into the lungs and causes heavy swelling and solid hemorrhage. Mixed types of parainfluenza and influenza A/N1N1 lead to this state. This is a very toxic strain, which has not yet answered to the treatment of the Ministry of Health", - said Viktor Bachinsky.

According to him, there is a need to change the treatment standards, because those which were used earlier, resulted in nothing – doctors failed to save all people infected with the virus in the reanimation. The belt ventilators did not help also.

For this reason a group of professors of Chernivtsi Medical University appealed to the Ministry of Health and National Security and Defense Council with a demand to review the standards of treatment of patients in Bukovyna. Scientists-morphologists sent to Kyiv reports, studies and analysis of critically ill patients and people who died of virus.

Viktor Bachinsky noted that the virus is extremely toxic, it is able to penetrate not only through respiratory apparatus but also through the eyes. Chernovtsy scientists recommend in any case use masks and even wear protective spectacles. An important condition to prevent deterioration of the situation is also the observance of quarantine regime. [source MEDIA INTERNATIONAL NEWS]

If any of this turns out to be even a bit true, can some POLICE start arresting some ****ing bioweaopn engineers already? This is REAL SERIOUS. There's no way this is A-H1N1. There's absolutely NO HAEMORRHAGIC COMPONENT to 'swine flu'. And there's no such thing as VIRAL pneumonic plague - it's bacterial. So, someone's released some sort of strange CHIMERA virus or something. It's a sick multi-strain deadly flu. Cooked in the lab.

[micjer]

The proof that this is a man-made virus and part of a plan is the lack of media coverage world-wide.

Whenever I get talking to local people and they start talking about the swine flu bs, I in turn ask them if they have heard anything about what is going on in the Ukraine. I have yet to find one person that has. This is very disturbing and goes to show how people only listen to MSM for their info.


Wake up people there is definately an evil agenda in place here. They must prepare for this and I can guarantee that the vaccine is not the place to start. My gut tells me that anyone that gets this shot will be more susceptible to the Ukraine bug if it goes world-wide.

:lightsabre:

[waitinginthewings]

The proof that this is a man-made virus and part of a plan is the lack of media coverage world-wide.

Whenever I get talking to local people and they start talking about the swine flu bs, I in turn ask them if they have heard anything about what is going on in the Ukraine. I have yet to find one person that has. This is very disturbing and goes to show how people only listen to MSM for their info.


Wake up people there is definately an evil agenda in place here. They must prepare for this and I can guarantee that the vaccine is not the place to start. My gut tells me that anyone that gets this shot will be more susceptible to the Ukraine bug if it goes world-wide.

:lightsabre:

What's even more worriesome, is with people travelling for the Xmas holidays from the Ukraine to Europe & North America. This bug (whatever it is) will also travel across the globe. I think that "all" people will be at risk of this new strain, which sounds deadly! I wonder if Ukraine will shut down their airports & no flights allowed in or out soon? They may do this to contain the problem.

[micjer]

Yep...Christmas , and then the winter olympics that is near you in B.C..

Yikes.

[Seashore]

Here is a link to another blog article:

http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2009/11/armageddon-has-begun.html

[waitinginthewings]

Here is a link to another blog article:

http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2009/11/armageddon-has-begun.html

tks seashore for this article. It answered my question about closing airports....they have not done this.....so this virus/disease undoubtedly will spread. Better prepare & stock up our cupboards with food, medicines etc. We may have to quarantine ourselves.

[waitinginthewings]

Yep...Christmas , and then the winter olympics that is near you in B.C..

Yikes.

If things get bad enough, they will have to postpone the olympics. Imagine all those athletes that would be flying in from around the world....not good. I think I may have to go further north......yikes too cold there.

[Seashore]

tks seashore for this article. It answered my question about closing airports....they have not done this.....so this virus/disease undoubtedly will spread. Better prepare & stock up our cupboards with food, medicines etc. We may have to quarantine ourselves.

You're welcome.

And I agree with you; we have to take matters into our own hands.

I hope more and more people will turn their TV off and leave it off. I worry about people who still get their info from TV...

[AscendingStarseed]

If any of this turns out to be even a bit true, can some POLICE start arresting some ****ing bioweaopn engineers already? This is REAL SERIOUS. There's no way this is A-H1N1. There's absolutely NO HAEMORRHAGIC COMPONENT to 'swine flu'. And there's no such thing as VIRAL pneumonic plague - it's bacterial. So, someone's released some sort of strange CHIMERA virus or something. It's a sick multi-strain deadly flu. Cooked in the lab.[/QUOTE]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Your right, and it appears the US military may be behind much of this, the military and BigPharma is a lethal combination. This story was reported in June by a nun in Mazatlan, MX and has damning evidence on the US Military for chemtrails after Indian and Nigerian Air Forces forced down two US operated Ukranian aircraft at a base in the Indian Ocean:

"According to these reports, China’s People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) notified both India and Nigerian intelligence officials about the presence of these US operated Ukrainian aircraft over their growing concerns of the United States spreading of “biological agents” throughout our Earth’s atmosphere, and which some Chinese officials are warning is an American-European attempt to conduct mass :ghostrider_h4h:genocide via the spread of the H1N1 swine flu virus which has put the entire Global population at risk."

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/environment/humans/chemtrails/news.php?q=1246309936

Then, more aerosol shenanigans two days before people became ill::plane:

Airplanes sprayed mysterious substance over Ukraine days before pneumonic plague outbreak http://fto.co.za/news/airplanes-sprayed-mysterious-substance-ukraine-days-pneumonic-plague-outbreak-2009110615732

This man says reports coming out of Ukraine are unreliable and misleading, he has several links to articles with statistical data on the outbreak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kblNS7zKhMQ

Nature? Accident? Biological warfare? Psychological warfare?
Dr Len Horowitz – Anglo-American Flu Genocide
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/696.html

Vaccines are big business, that much goes without saying. Horowitz takes it further. Disease can be used as a form of warfare (bio-warfare).

Clearly right from the beginning of the swine flu outbreak earlier this year, there is something strange going on with the latest flu. It goes without saying you're not going to get serious reporting on this from the mainstream news media.:mfr_lol:

We wage illegal wars, stage coups and topple governments, torture, religious intolerance and racism towards Islam, we bamboozle the globe into a ponzi scheme that sends the world into a depression and entire nations into bankruptcy and now we attempt to start a global pandemic....if Americans don't get a handle on our rogue government Russia, China, India and Brazil may decide to put a stop to the madness...we are the Evil Empire, just listen to the contempt coming from people of other nations. They're getting fed-up...

Republic of Fools:The Evil Empire
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15967

[micjer]

Population Reduction: Globalist Endgame Begins


'On October 30th,”2009 editors of local papers in Kyiv, Ukraine received a flood of phone calls from citizens reporting low flying aircraft spraying an unknown aerosolized substance over L’viv, Ternopil and other cities. On October 27th”the Ukrainian media broke the story that on October 26th”in Ternopil an unknown flu had killed seven people , and that over the past few days about 6 thousand people had sought out medical attention in regards to flu like symptoms.

From this first report through to the 9th of November over 1 million people inside the Ukraine people have contracted some form of flu like illness. This is almost double the number of ‘confirmed’ H1N1 cases worldwide in all other countries. There have also been over 155 deaths reported due to influenza during this time. This outbreak is unprecedented yet it has received minimal coverage in the western media. It just seemed to get lost amidst all of the swine flu coverage, and written off as just more cases of H1N1 before any lab samples had been processed. In the Ukrainian and Russian media however the outbreak has been treated more seriously and has been referred to as ‘pneumonic plague’.


http://www.infowars.com/population-reduction-globalist-endgame-begins/




There are reports now coming from Romania, India, Bulgaria, Belarus, Turkey, Norway that the rate on increase of flu is increasing rapidly. In Norway foe example 300,000 residents contacted the flu in a single week. Whatever disease has been released is moving across Europe fast. This bug has spread too widely to be a Ukrainian election scam. Readers should note that just before the outbreak in Ukraine, the government was running pneumonic plague drills. In early November, there were also pneumonic plague drills being run in Illinois. Connect the dots. Notable there have also been reports of heavy supply and personnel movement in and out of known D.U.M.B.s (Deep Underground Military Bases) very recently. According to an unconfirmed report the parking lots of these bases are full and haven’t been this full since just after 911. What is going on? Will this fast moving disease be released in America? Listen for low flying aircraft. Shut your windows at night. Stock up on colloidal silver, antibiotics and high quality vitamins. Please watch the skies

[Unified Serenity]

Remember Joseph Moshe? I just saw this on youtube... we already have seen much of the info, but I thought I'd share it.

Moshe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OYVws9uJbk)

[Unified Serenity]

pandemic? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekZG7D8YkNA&feature=related)

[AscendingStarseed]

Can anyone tell me the best way to ingest colloidal silver to protect against this Ukraine outbreak, I read that since it attacks the lungs so virulently that the throat sprqy, or mist was recommended....

and how much colloidal silver should we be taking?

Has anyone else ever heard of Immune Extra? It's make from pine cone bark extract and is actually derived from ancient Japanese medicine, research shows it cures many aggressive cancers and a whole host of diseases by actually repairing our broken down, dysfunctional immune systems.

Instinctively I couldn't help but make the connection to the symbolic nature between the shape of a pine cone compared to that of the "pine-al" gland. After listening to testimonials of people who had terminal cancer, as well as the doctor who formulated the supplement speak of it's ability to optimize your immune system I'll be adding this to my regiment this week.

http://www.immunextra.com

throat spray or?

[Fina]

http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/engdahlukrainewhopanic13nov09.shtml

Ukraine, WHO And The Geopolitics Of Swine Flu Panic By F. William Engdahl,

Posted on http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ \

"Latest reports of what is being called a deadly Swine Flu outbreak in Ukraine according to on sight reports appear to be a political concoction by a threatened government to avoid election defeat and possibly declare martial law. The details indicate how convenient the current WHO "Swine Flu" H1N1 "pandemic" scare is for regimes in trouble..."

[Seashore]

http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/engdahlukrainewhopanic13nov09.shtml

Ukraine, WHO And The Geopolitics Of Swine Flu Panic By F. William Engdahl,

Posted on http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ \

"Latest reports of what is being called a deadly Swine Flu outbreak in Ukraine according to on sight reports appear to be a political concoction by a threatened government to avoid election defeat and possibly declare martial law. The details indicate how convenient the current WHO "Swine Flu" H1N1 "pandemic" scare is for regimes in trouble..."

Fina,

Great find!

I haven't read the article yet, but I wanted to post this quote at the head of the article:

"[Editor's Note: Amazing. I no more than finish doing a radio show with Don Nicoloff on the evening of November 12, 2009 outing the role of pharmaceutical shill Dr Henry L. Niman in practically single-handedly hyping the Ukraine outbreak into the stratosphere and helping his pals in the pharmaceutical industry, the WHO, and the Ukraine Ministry of Health to grossly overstate the story and create an atmosphere of panic, than does William Engdahl come out with an article the very next day making the same case. Of even greater irony, I find this article posted at the top of Jeff Rense's web site IMMEDIATELY under the radio interviews and articles of Dr Henry Niman! If this isn't bizarre, I don't know what is. ...Ken Adachi "

I think that F. William Engdahl is a good source of information.

Also, I have been thinking about the fact that Rense has been showcasing Henry Niman for some time. And he still is, despite the fact that Niman holds a patent and stands to gain financially from any pandemic and he does not speak out about vaccinations, either. I want to know why Rense is still featuring Niman as a regular guest.

I see on Rense.com that Niman will be a guest today:

"MONDAY
November 16, 2009

Dr. Henry Niman PhD
WHO Hides Ukraine
Viral Sequences"

[Seashore]

Fina,

Great find!

I haven't read the article yet, but I wanted to post this quote at the head of the article...

Another quote from the article:

"WHO 'strongly recommends early treatment with the antiviral drugs, oseltamivir or zanamivir, for patients who meet treatment criteria, even in the absence of a positive laboratory test confirming H1N1 infection.' That means Tamiflu, the highly dangerous drug whose major shareholder includes former Pentagon head Don Rumsfeld. And it means GlaxoSmithKline, maker of the reportedly equally dangerous rival Relenza drug. The drugs produce precisely the symptoms of severe lung complications found in flu and in some cases have reportedly caused death."

[Fina]

Thanks Seashore :)

I find I am checking out & 'believing' fewer & fewer sites as time goes by.
Some do seem to be primarily fear-mongering & making people angry, shan't mention any names...

The only 2 I really trust now are;

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/

Just listening to Ken's interview with Don Nicoloff http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/kenadachi12nov09radiointerview13nov09.shtml


Interesting topics on various forums, for example; "What are you scared of?" Hmm, what's that all about - who wants to know??

Every click is monitored... they know how to 'push buttons'...

[burgundia]

They are saying that the Flu virus A/H1N1 has mutated ( in Ukraine). the lungs of two of the victims were completely black, autopsy revealed. however all the deaths in Ukraine are not caused by A/H1N1...

[Seashore]

They are saying that the Flu virus A/H1N1 has mutated ( in Ukraine). the lungs of two of the victims were completely black, autopsy revealed. however all the deaths in Ukraine are not caused by A/H1N1...

I've been thinking about the fact that it seems clear that Ukraine was sprayed right before reports of the deaths as you describe. I have received in my email a Special Emergency Report by Dr. Len Horowitz. He states in the report that "hemorrhagic pneumonia" is now spreading in Ukraine as a "co-infection" among vaccinated and non-vaccinated carriers of H1N1.

I think that both Engdahl's article and what Dr. Horowitz is saying are true.

Just because there's been hype about flu and fear-mongering out of the political situation in Ukraine doesn't mean we're out of the woods. We're not.

[micjer]

Finally! The Western Mainstream Media Reports On The Mystery Flu Plague In Ukraine As The Death Toll Reaches 299


http://thebirdflupandemic.com/archives/finally-the-western-mainstream-media-reports-on-the-mystery-flu-plague-in-ukraine-as-the-death-toll-reaches-299

Some western mainstream media outlets are finally reporting on the mystery flu plague in Ukraine as the death toll there has now reached 299. In fact, one newspaper in the U.K. is even linking the outbreak in Ukraine to the 1918 Spanish flu that killed between 50 and 100 million people across the globe in the early portion of the last century. Reports from medical personnel on the ground in Ukraine continue to be very disturbing. In fact, one doctor is reporting that the virus is turning the lungs of patients "as black as charcoal" and that the situation there is "terrifying".

The truth is that all major mainstream media outlets should have been reporting on the mystery outbeak in Ukraine over a week ago. Incredibly disturbing reports have been coming out of Ukraine for quite some time now, and those reports have pretty much only been covered by a handful of alternative news sites such as this one.

But now fortunately a few outlets in the western mainstream media are picking up this story. For example, The Daily Mail ran a story on Sunday that featured this headline: "British scientists testing Ukrainian 'super flu' that has killed 189 people".

con't....

[waitinginthewings]

Finally! The Western Mainstream Media Reports On The Mystery Flu Plague In Ukraine As The Death Toll Reaches 299


http://thebirdflupandemic.com/archives/finally-the-western-mainstream-media-reports-on-the-mystery-flu-plague-in-ukraine-as-the-death-toll-reaches-299

Some western mainstream media outlets are finally reporting on the mystery flu plague in Ukraine as the death toll there has now reached 299. In fact, one newspaper in the U.K. is even linking the outbreak in Ukraine to the 1918 Spanish flu that killed between 50 and 100 million people across the globe in the early portion of the last century. Reports from medical personnel on the ground in Ukraine continue to be very disturbing. In fact, one doctor is reporting that the virus is turning the lungs of patients "as black as charcoal" and that the situation there is "terrifying".

The truth is that all major mainstream media outlets should have been reporting on the mystery outbeak in Ukraine over a week ago. Incredibly disturbing reports have been coming out of Ukraine for quite some time now, and those reports have pretty much only been covered by a handful of alternative news sites such as this one.

But now fortunately a few outlets in the western mainstream media are picking up this story. For example, The Daily Mail ran a story on Sunday that featured this headline: "British scientists testing Ukrainian 'super flu' that has killed 189 people".

con't....

After listening to Dr. Niman on Jeff Rense Radio over a week ago, Dr. Niman at that time said that autopsies were done on 2 dead bodies in the Ukraine, & in both bodies, the lungs were turned to mush.....totally disintegrated. This sounds exactly like what you posted in in the article above. So I'm wondering now if Dr. Niman is on the up & up. I have been listening to his last few interviews....Dr. Niman himself was sick twice while in the interviews. One thing is for sure, there is some kind of a virus making the rounds in Ukraine, & its highly possible that the government there are using it to their advantage.

[Moxie]

I've sent email inquiries to our local news including links about this Ukraine mystery flu to try & find out why there is no coverage. Perhaps more of us should do this.

[iainl140285]

There are NO black lungs according to this:
http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a2994.htm#005

[Mauree]

There is a link on the Camelot website and goes to a Coroner who speaks about the new strain of flue. He says that it attacks the lungs but is not pnumonia. He goes on to say that we should not take antibotics for it as this only lowers the immune system still further! But instead he says we should build up our immnue systems and get supplys in so that we don't have to go out any more than necessary once we are aproaching the flue season!

[Seashore]

There is a link on the Camelot website and goes to a Coroner who speaks about the new strain of flue. He says that it attacks the lungs but is not pnumonia. He goes on to say that we should not take antibotics for it as this only lowers the immune system still further! But instead he says we should build up our immnue systems and get supplys in so that we don't have to go out any more than necessary once we are aproaching the flue season!

One thing about that article that confuses me is that the coroner says that patients who are being treated for that flu should be given Tamiflu on the second or third day! :mfr_omg: Give a patient a toxin???

[waitinginthewings]

One thing about that article that confuses me is that the coroner says that patients who are being treated for that flu should be given Tamiflu on the second or third day! :mfr_omg: Give a patient a toxin???

Seashore: have you noticed how much confusing mixed messages we are being given about Tamiflu..........it spans from taking it to not taking it, to it will not work on the H1N1 virus. Just par for the course of mass confusion on this subject I guess.

[Seashore]

Seashore: have you noticed how much confusing mixed messages we are being given about Tamiflu..........it spans from taking it to not taking it, to it will not work on the H1N1 virus. Just par for the course of mass confusion on this subject I guess.

I was really amazed that this Ukrainian coroner said it. But maybe there's some explanation for it.

Maybe there is something in the Tamiflu that is indicated only in a life or death situation. I don't know.

[mntruthseeker]

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/140492/Million-hit-by-plague-worse-than-swine-flu-


Not one more word regarding the spraying..............maybe thats why they waited over a month to report things

[burgundia]

russia calls for international investigation regarding the flu pandemic. the ground for this is the information in the western media that it is a conspiracy between WHO and big pharmaceutical companies. if the corruption in WHO is true they threaten to suspend their memebership in the organization.

[Seashore]

russia calls for international investigation regarding the flu pandemic. the ground for this is the information in the western media that it is a conspiracy between WHO and big pharmaceutical companies. if the corruption in WHO is true they threaten to suspend their memebership in the organization.

:thumb_yello:

We should all get out of the U.N.

[artvision]

The proteic viral signature of the virus from Ukraine is confirmed from all of 4 death cases where sampled, D225G `(same as for H5N1 - the 1918 Spanish Flu Epidemic virus) as that the new disease will be ease in our bodies by the our immunitary defense system, as a distorted response of it for the person which:

a) had before the swine flu disease (this is not acting as a immunization, like for other disease - like smallpox for example)
b) took the swine flu vaccine

Such, now is proven the real purpose of the vaccine. Answered the question, why they stil promote the vaccine, even after the Big Pharma took their monies.

More details here:

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11270902/D225G_Evade.html