Step up or "Thanks for all the fishes"

[Stargazer1965]

I'm thinking it's about time to raise the bar on the POSTS....

We've "lost" some good folks that just watch now because this place can't get a good train of thought going.

We have definitely lost the intellectual and spiritual momentum we had going a month ago.

Come on folks!!!

Keanu Reeves immortal???

Cat or Dog person???

Give me a break....We have turned into a stone skipping across a pond and never penetrating the surface.

WAKE UP!!!!

Stop you Cut and Paste Commandos...................

Time to turn the WATCHERS back on....come on guys!!! :trumpet:

[burgundia]

You might be right here.....

[mudra]

Good point Stargazer.
In times of lack of focus and direction reviving old threads can be a good thing.
Remember there are some treasures buried here in Avalon .
Or start a new good thread of your own ;)

Love Always
mudra

any one bored today may want to go and watch " Home " here
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17489

[Tango]

I wrote this on 2 October 09... On the Manifest for you thread...

I got No comments. I stopped writing. I don't write where the interest

is the drama and Wow that Avalon readers Now want:



W0W... To Really Heal the Earth. One would have to destroy the 0il Business.

They remove a substance from under the crust [which weakens the surface]
causing sink holes N' earth quakes. The substance these Evil people remove
they process into poisons such as Plastic, fuel, N' other items they say we
should use. All of them toxic and poison to our bodies and all life. They pick
the pockets of beings of the planet in their greed, for the processing of this
natural continously produced substance. The only way to get rid of it is to
burn it... Which they also want to tax you for using it.[Carbon Tax]...

Plastic collects on the surface; in landfills, in the oceans it kills oceans
creatures, Kills life on the surface and in the sky... They take money from the
earth beings to FIX a problem again and again which THEY caused. Over
N' over I see they repeat the same thing. They ' Hook ' you on something
than take Money from Your labors to FIX what THEY cause... They give
each other that sign of Taurus [the bull] when ever a camera is on them,
You, all know the sign little finger and index finger held outright middle fingers
tucked under held by the thumb forming the face of the bull. They hold it
sidesways in front of their body or up in the air. That is the sign of laughing
at U the payer... As they Pick your pocket they laugh at U.

Electric is the only true energy that is safe. But, it is kept hidden. Henry Ford
hated 0IL people. In 1921 he built a model T; which really used electric to
turn a flywheel which provided forward movement. He used pocket
magnets to repel the magnets on the flywheel which caused rotation....

Coral Castle in Southern Florida was completely built using the same method
to power a generator which Ed, used to lift blocks of limestone of various
shapes in place using the electro/magnetics to repel the blocks lifting off the
earth and placed them where he wanted them. Do I understand it -Y E S.
But, your HOOKED on a drug called 0IL. Henry Ford built his auto to run on
farm products... Never 0IL... He hated 0IL... And the people that brought it.
They killed his son Edsel to flip him... Henry Ford hated 0IL as I hate
pharmaceuticals... another one of their tools. They HOOK you and COOK you.

And, sooo it is. And sooo it will be... Until, all of the beings of the planet
Terra educate themselves get some BALLS and start using ELECTRIC.
Start building generators.

Only then can the earth be healed... Make the dumbing down go away.

Live better electricly... Remember that... Its gone away also.

YOU, AIN'T GOT THE BALLS... And, THEY KNOW THAT.

I have left knowledge all over this site. No One reads it...


Verry trooly,


Tango


Let The Force be withIn you.

[mudra]

Well.. Yes I remember this Tango..
See there are some buried treasures here in Avalon.
It's an important point you make.
Please I would appreciate you post this on the radiant thread
as there are the people that are seeking for new ways of using
the energy and sound ways to live in respect to all.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15480


Thank You Tango
Love from me
mudra

Ps: post the above on the " home " thread too dear .
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17489
Thanks.

[Oliver]

I'm thinking it's about time to raise the bar on the POSTS....

We've "lost" some good folks that just watch now because this place can't get a good train of thought going.

We have definitely lost the intellectual and spiritual momentum we had going a month ago.

Come on folks!!!

Keanu Reeves immortal???

Cat or Dog person???

Give me a break....We have turned into a stone skipping across a pond and never penetrating the surface.

WAKE UP!!!!

Stop you Cut and Paste Commandos...................

Time to turn the WATCHERS back on....come on guys!!! :trumpet:


Stargazer, you touched the nerve.
I would add also that (un)coscious fear-mongering is also making some blockages and defocusing of the real positive abilities of the beautiful people here. The potential is enormous...

Thank you and be blessed!

[Tango]

Remember also..... I got banned for saying a thread should be renamed:

Bobbit < Cause I knew it was going to get cut short> LOL, I thought it was

funny as Hell... One's humor is another's 'attack...'

I also know the formula for jet fuel or Diesel... No one's interested...

There's NO drama to ' making fuel ' that can be used...

Henry Ford used to give a kit for every auto he sold... No One care's


Trooly,



Tango



Stargazer, you touched the nerve.
I would add also that (un)coscious fear-mongering is also making some blockages and defocusing of the real positive abilities of the beautiful people here. The potential is enormous...

Thank you and be blessed!

[lawlessline]

Hi all,

Maybe there is another anwser to the question posed. Maybe alot of people have realised that the only way forward is by standing still?? There are thousands of videos, radio shows telling everyone what people have been hiding from us, what groups have planned for us, what the future holds, why we are here. But just try and watch every show and listen to evry theory. Why? Has this truely brought forth a plan that all can ahear to?

Most people here has done form of travelling with their back pack, or taken to the road for a trip somewhere, leaving our guides to show us the way. I am sure that whats the Avesbury thing was about. The road is different to those voyages through the passages of this reality that we call earth, but with one small difference. The road is your life. We can talk about how bad people are and what they are witholding or planning for us. But there is one fine componant, that they have no real control over, which is you.

OK so there are alot of people a sleep, maybe that is not such a bad thing if the doom and gloom merchants are right? I wouldn't wish them to wake in the process of this plain ripping apart. Yes if they were awake there would be alot more wieght behind the idea of a bright and beautiful future. But it may also take alot long in time missing the window of opportunity?

I think it is rude to wake people from their sleep, as Bob Marley said, I am not here to wake you. We should take an active part in the wonder that is life just outside our doors. It maybe interacting with people who are asleep, but thats not enough to effect your desire for a future that holds promise, no matter how difficult it gets. Sing them rather a sweet song that will help just to make them sleep better, therefore increasing their vibration, invertably they will contribute to the succes of your own beautiful image of the world of tomorrow.

Your neighbour should be your friend, there is no way round that. If they are not then make them your friend. With out them you, them, I, am nothing. They maynot know nothing of electric motors, 2012, illuminatie, healing. This doesnot mean they have nothing to contribute to the eventual outcome of this beautiful world.

The community that was founded here have flown the nest. I come back from time to check if they are still those who have not flown the nest. I cann't teach you to fly for the same reasons that I am not going to force anyone to awake from their slumber. They will do that when they need to do that. If you turn to your local communities, you may find that there are alot more of people who have the same ideas, but scared to openly say that in the crowd, for thinking they might sound like a mad hatter, like the things we hear which we term as fearmongering. I don't know who said that there is a healthy level of fear, and that I agree. But let the only fear being that you are not fullfilling your role to its total capacity.

Why build a community from scratch, when there is communties that surround us? Being an active part of the community wil ultimately change the levels of vibrations andthe soringing of new movements. A freind of mine from 20 years ago would say, "its freedom for everyone or freedom for no one." That rings true in my soul. But which ever way it pans out you can only be responsible for your own deeds? Leave people to wake with easy. If we do they won't be a grumpy old fart or fartess, making alot more work to correct the balance.

There is a plan for every person to get behind, and that plan is you. We are each the master of our own world. So is that the matrix? Is the matrix us? Individually? But are the matrices connected to a mother board? If that is the thinking, then you must make the best of ourselves, which in turn will change the world of the other and so on and so forth. Chaque en son Merde, (Each to their own ****). this works both ways. This can be good for you and bad for you depending on your view point. But I think that most people, here certainly, has the best of interest for each other. So it is a case of doing you job in the make up of the change that we undertaking and will finish. The finish is up to us. But lets fool our selves, eac of us, that you individual view will be the ultimate way to go forward. If we were to take a photo of the earth, we would have to take thousands, millions of photos to get a a fine view of what makes up this world. Each of us take a photo which make up the end future. So atleast take a photo that you can be proud of.

There is no room for the idea that you, them, I or any other dimensional being or out there personage has their finger on the button. We will only see at what point we did have pur finger on the beat exactly, is in the flux between vibrational states. Supeman as the boy in his Bubble. It is time to step out of our secure space and get involved on the most local of levels. When was the last time you checked in to see the granny or old man down the road to see if they are ok? Need to talk about the **** they are going through?

Dimensions, realities only have form in the flux. Otherwise it is impossible to see the wood for the trees. So go hug a tree, climb a tree make a swing in the park and watch the kids use it, listen to the laughter and the tears of the grazed knees. We can meditate till we fall asleep again, we can follow a guru till we are a carbon copy, buy into the consummer holacaus till death saves us. But the truth in all of these activities is the pursuit of inner pleasure. This could be so simple its childs play. Merlin taught Authur 3 valuable lessons. First was sleep, the next Eating and the final was to talk. If we know how to do these at the right time the rest is just a walk in the park?

Hows your neighbour?

[happyhollergal]

Stargazer, I think you're right. I've not been sharing for the past month very much at all. In fact, I stopped coming here every day and now only drop in a couple of times a week. I like to look for threads that stimulate my mind and allow me to think, and express my own views without being ridiculed about what those beliefs may or may not be. It seems that there are those who feel compelled to force their beliefs on others, rather than just not responding to something that doesn't mirror their beliefs. I've learned a lifetime of valuable information from the contributors on Avalon, and I am very grateful. For instance, I may have a certain belief about a subject, and I run across something that someone wrote that differs from that belief. I will still take time to read or watch a video, because very often my eyes have been opened to a different view that is based on facts that resonate with truth for me. At other times, if I feel that the new information doesn't change my viewpoint, I simply move on. I would be way out of line to criticize the person who wrote something that I disagree with. I just keep my big mouth shut and keep moving forward. We all have our own beliefs that we are entitled to. I stopped being part of the sheeple society over a year ago. I certainly don't come to Avalon so that others can feel superior by forcing their spiritual belief/disbelief on me. This is not church. It is a place to be with friends and learn with others. None of us has all the answers, but by continuing to share openly with one another, we keep putting little pieces of the big picture puzzle together. Everyone has something to contribute. It's a place for intellectuals and ordinary folks like me and everyone in between, to come together for a common purpose. That purpose should always be in the seeking of truth and sharing whatever you can with others that might help them on their journey. It's good to be a sponge at times, but sometimes you just gotta let your hair down and quit being concerned about what someone else is going to think or say about what you write. There can be a wealth of knowledge gained from the simplest sentence. Look for the tidbits, not at the hypocrites.

[mudra]

That certainly rings a bell Lawless .
You learned the third lesson well ..
That all boils down to be here and now and face what is in front of us with Love and care.
Whatever that is that we are facing .
Every moment is an opportunity to bring it all the love that it deserves.


Blessings to You Lawless .
My Love for you Always

mudra

[Freedom]

Greetings All. I have been visiting now for a while. I came to observe when Avalon started. As with anything new, I felt it better to wait a while till you got the bugs out , it seemed crazy back then. Now as I read, what I find is that your all rather "deep" for the average soul, so I figured I could not have added much to the brilliance I see. I also found lots of love amoung and through you....who couldn't use more love? I would often find myself shedding many tears of joy, so much so that I was exhausted from following a thread, so much love and joy, that I have never been able to respond. I feel it is time to step up and join in if I may.

[Zeddo]

also know the formula for jet fuel or Diesel... No one's interested...
... No One care's Trooly, Tango

I am and I do, if I had known of your info before I would have followed up on it so if you feel so inspired, I wouldnt mind getting my hands on that info Tango.....trooly indeed.

Z

Edit to add this:

PS Stargazer, timely post and SPOT ON too ! LL&P

[Freedom]

I should like to see us all transcend the "oil" as a means and "fear" as a way and see if we could all learn to fly....levitate from pure joy....perhaps by lightening our loads that we have accumulated throughout the daily toils of living a life on earth removed from it.....maybe with relaxing and showing the way if only in our strength to face head on all that comes our way...leading by example with love, faith and courage to embrace something new....like wings....to wrap around those who feel alone or cold or left out, lost. A return to Love, a return to earth to sustain and nurture our severed hearts that no longer know the reasons why. Did not the wicked witch say; "sleep...sleep...my pretty's" as she cast her spell only to be out done by one awake tin man and his faith in the good? Well maybe a little help from the good witch as well....

[Mystique]

Freedom, I ,like you, watched in the shadows for a while before joining. I was busy as you say taking in others' "brilliance". But you know, I believe we all have something to contribute. It might be only a simple comment that stimulates the butterfly effect in our thinking and spirituality. Do you have any idea how much heat I get from being from the south. A lot of people think we southern girls are dumb, barefoot and pregnant. I'm a teacher and half of my class is from NY, the rest are from China, Vietnam, Pakistan, Israel, India, the Carribean, Iraq, Palestine and Iran. I have to re-prove myself every year to the new groups, but we all discover we all have something unique to contribute. I like the people here. They are the folks that are supposed to be here now. We are where we're supposed to be. All you people that I've admired so much, start some new threads, get our minds going and I'll do my best to keep up.
I love you guys already.

[Freedom]

Tango,

I care about you and the wonderful energy you exude. I would like to get to know more of you. I am sorry that I don't have a need to know about the formula for jet fuel...I don't have a jet. I have always wanted to fly though. Diesel makes me think of bus's or semi's and soot and stench and...am I out of line?

[Ross H]

That certainly rings a bell Lawless .
You learned the third lesson well ..
That all boils down to be here and now and face what is in front of us with Love and care.
Whatever that is that we are facing .
Every moment is an opportunity to bring it all the love that it deserves.


Blessings to You Lawless .
My Love for you Always

mudra

When we love, care and understand our fellow beings, this resonates with every atom and thus bounds forth, into all there is to expand, that which is love.

Peace always

[Freedom]

Ahhh Mystique,


I think being barefoot is wonderful and much needed these days....and the glorious joy of being pregnant with child or ideas, matters much for where would we be without either?

[Mystique]

Freedom, I ,like you, watched in the shadows for a while before joining. I was busy as you say taking in others' "brilliance". But you know, I believe we all have something to contribute. It might be only a simple comment that stimulates the butterfly effect in our thinking and spirituality. Do you have any idea how much heat I get from being from the south. A lot of people think we southern girls are dumb, barefoot and pregnant. I'm a teacher and half of my class is from NY, the rest are from China, Vietnam, Pakistan, Israel, India, the Carribean, Iraq, Palestine and Iran. I have to re-prove myself every year to the new groups, but we all discover we all have something unique to contribute. I like the people here. They are the folks that are supposed to be here now. We are where we're supposed to be. All you people that I've admired so much, start some new threads, get our minds going and I'll do my best to keep up.
I love you guys already.

[no caste]

We have definitely lost the intellectual and spiritual momentum we had going a month ago.

Stargazer1965 - The last thing I remember is a guy with a sound weapon for earthquakes (charioteer), threatening to use it in the Bahamas. I didn't care, because the wealthy tax exempt thing bugs me. It leaves all the middle class people with the bag!

There was LionHawk putting logs on the fire. I don't know what he was doing, exactly. {sorry LH} What followed was a good v. bad feud about reptilians. Then some interesting guys with asterisks in their names came - one thread disappeared. (third eye(*)) It was a great perspective IMO, but it's gone.

Another one was M1* - interesting fellow. He set the forum on fire.

In the meanwhile, the hini (h1n1) unravels with vaccines, Ukraine stuff, Serbia flood, El salvador, new films.... A couple of shootings, one in Fort Hood. Lots of residual steel (World Trade Centres, its energy will just haunt without truth IMO). I'm still waiting for 9.11 truth, officially. Some comings and goings with progress. It's change.

THAT is a constant. I agree with you though, not that I mind dogs, cats, and everything too, that a bit of a trajectory is useful. Even Watcher has a new train, lost the old threads. I was closely following the James Casbolt thread, and it's just sitting there, with my ridiculous suggestion that he should be EU president. (See, if Albania were a EU member, I'd be leaning that way now.)

Maybe it's just a big smash 'em up. :original:

[Lionhawk]

I was burning wood.

Blessings!

[FIIISH]

I think everyone has something to contribute.

I think all contributions should be welcome.

That being said, there will be ups and downs and there
certainly have been-like any community.

Yes, not every post, or even every thread is made of mind-blowing stuff.

I don't know about the rest of you, but sometimes it's nice to put the brain
in neutral and be a little silly now and then. We are human.

Many of the threads here are of a very serious nature. I don't see the harm
in the occasional bit of fun. It helps keep things light! And we can use
all the help we can get in that department.

Just my .02

[Carol]

Forums also go through cycles depending on how busy people are out in the real world. Almost all of our time and energy is spent outside working on our place. This also is the busiest time of year for many of us with all types of school activities and the holidays.

And by the end of the day when I'm physically pooped.. I just become somewhat drained and not up to participating much anywhere on the net.

In addition, various individual interests also waxes and wains which is normal. For myself, I've been putting pieces together and following a number of other interviews, Neil Feerer being one, who I've listened to 3 times already, because I find it so interesting. 2012 is of interest due to various viewpoints from folks like Geryl, LaViolette, Freer, William Henry and many others. I've also been listening and reading more about the Mayan 6th night then focusing on the day to day stuff which gives me time to digest and integrate what these other experts have to share. It takes time to cogitate upon these brilliant minds' years of research data. I too struggle with what they share and look for what fits, what makes sense, what is inconsistent and what is coherent. There is just a lot to pay attention to.

Are you aware that LaViolette's interview with Mel of the Veritas Show was cut off 25 times? Now that is an interview not to be missed because for sure there is info there that TPTB don't want the general population to know about.

And then I was listening about how a wormhole opens up in 2012 whereupon transfigured luminous beings will also be arriving... is this a possibility? So I like to think upon these possibilities while building a new retaining wall, digging holes for fruit trees and building a water garden.

And no.. participating in the dog or cat thread just isn't where my head is these days. My time is limited so picking and choosing how to expend energy and time seems to be a priority these days.

[rhythm]

I'm thinking it's about time to raise the bar on the POSTS....

We've "lost" some good folks that just watch now because this place can't get a good train of thought going.

We have definitely lost the intellectual and spiritual momentum we had going a month ago.

Come on folks!!!

Keanu Reeves immortal???

Cat or Dog person???

Give me a break....We have turned into a stone skipping across a pond and never penetrating the surface.

WAKE UP!!!!

Stop you Cut and Paste Commandos...................

Time to turn the WATCHERS back on....come on guys!!! :trumpet:


Let us be the change we want to see..
also let us have variety...
let us learn from our differences ...
walk the talk ...
be the change you want to see ....
thanks for this thread ..
love and kindness rhythmmm ...

[Connecting with Sauce]

Remember also..... I got banned for saying a thread should be renamed:

Bobbit < Cause I knew it was going to get cut short> LOL, I thought it was

funny as Hell... One's humor is another's 'attack...'

I also know the formula for jet fuel or Diesel... No one's interested...

There's NO drama to ' making fuel ' that can be used...

Henry Ford used to give a kit for every auto he sold... No One care's


Trooly,



Tango

Hi Tango,

I work at the said company so please could you forward any of this information you have to me directly so I can investigate further. I'm trying from the inside to prise open peoples eyes to this but they consider it all mumbo... If I had the documents of our company founder available to open peoples eyes it may help :) I'll pm you my details.

I've a small number of people inside who are aware but to be honest it is so so small it is quite demoralising... the more we can awaken the better... if done safely ;)

CWS John

ps some care

[Malletzky]

...one thread disappeared. (third eye(*)) It was a great perspective IMO, but it's gone....


there's another thread that also disappeared (the martial law), the one who've followed until its disappearness would remember there were pretty interesting postings there :naughty:

I would really like to see all missing threads up again, no matter what was presented there.

About contributing: we have to be aware that this is, due to the payments for registering and posting, more or less (still) a pretty "closed" forum. So it is nothing new (or very less) that we can still learn form each other. We're all depending on other outher sources (each one of us has his/her own, we're definately not only bounded and restricted to this site) in order to be able to present something "new".

The only thing we could do right now, under this circumstances and until something realy big happens in the world (name it disclosure or whatever) is to hold the energies high on this forum. I'm pleased to see that the majority really understand this and is acting like this.

And hey, I would sure like to see this forum "on fire" again, but please, let it be on higher level then what we were presented in the last few weeks.

Draining our energies only to feed the "perpetual duality" contributions sometimes presented here, is really what many of us can't support any more.

with :wub2: and respect
malletzky

[Malletzky]

...And then I was listening about how a wormhole opens up in 2012 whereupon transfigured luminous beings will also be arriving... is this a possibility?....

Carol, where can I find this? Do you have any link? Because...it is a possibility...for me ...somehow. I don't know why yet, but this triggered something in me.

Thanks
malletzky

[rhythm]

When all you need is love

there is never a wrong

or dull subject

it just rolls along

infinitley

contented

to share

endlessley

in loving one ness rhythmmmm

[Stargazer1965]

there's another thread that also disappeared (the martial law), the one who've followed until its disappearness would remember there were pretty interesting postings there :naughty:

I would really like to see all missing threads up again, no matter what was presented there.

About contributing: we have to be aware that this is, due to the payments for registering and posting, more or less (still) a pretty "closed" forum. So it is nothing new (or very less) that we can still learn form each other. We're all depending on other outher sources (each one of us has his/her own, we're definately not only bounded and restricted to this site) in order to be able to present something "new".

The only thing we could do right now, under this circumstances and until something realy big happens in the world (name it disclosure or whatever) is to hold the energies high on this forum. I'm pleased to see that the majority really understand this and is acting like this.

And hey, I would sure like to see this forum "on fire" again, but please, let it be on higher level then what we were presented in the last few weeks.

Draining our energies only to feed the "perpetual duality" contributions sometimes presented here, is really what many of us can't support any more.

with :wub2: and respect
malletzky

Mods.......Can we find out why some threads are gone??

Maybe it's a glitch in the search engine.

Mall....Can you give specifics???

[Stargazer1965]

I wrote this on 2 October 09... On the Manifest for you thread...

I got No comments. I stopped writing. I don't write where the interest

is the drama and Wow that Avalon readers Now want:



W0W... To Really Heal the Earth. One would have to destroy the 0il Business.

They remove a substance from under the crust [which weakens the surface]
causing sink holes N' earth quakes. The substance these Evil people remove
they process into poisons such as Plastic, fuel, N' other items they say we
should use. All of them toxic and poison to our bodies and all life. They pick
the pockets of beings of the planet in their greed, for the processing of this
natural continously produced substance. The only way to get rid of it is to
burn it... Which they also want to tax you for using it.[Carbon Tax]...

Plastic collects on the surface; in landfills, in the oceans it kills oceans
creatures, Kills life on the surface and in the sky... They take money from the
earth beings to FIX a problem again and again which THEY caused. Over
N' over I see they repeat the same thing. They ' Hook ' you on something
than take Money from Your labors to FIX what THEY cause... They give
each other that sign of Taurus [the bull] when ever a camera is on them,
You, all know the sign little finger and index finger held outright middle fingers
tucked under held by the thumb forming the face of the bull. They hold it
sidesways in front of their body or up in the air. That is the sign of laughing
at U the payer... As they Pick your pocket they laugh at U.

Electric is the only true energy that is safe. But, it is kept hidden. Henry Ford
hated 0IL people. In 1921 he built a model T; which really used electric to
turn a flywheel which provided forward movement. He used pocket
magnets to repel the magnets on the flywheel which caused rotation....

Coral Castle in Southern Florida was completely built using the same method
to power a generator which Ed, used to lift blocks of limestone of various
shapes in place using the electro/magnetics to repel the blocks lifting off the
earth and placed them where he wanted them. Do I understand it -Y E S.
But, your HOOKED on a drug called 0IL. Henry Ford built his auto to run on
farm products... Never 0IL... He hated 0IL... And the people that brought it.
They killed his son Edsel to flip him... Henry Ford hated 0IL as I hate
pharmaceuticals... another one of their tools. They HOOK you and COOK you.

And, sooo it is. And sooo it will be... Until, all of the beings of the planet
Terra educate themselves get some BALLS and start using ELECTRIC.
Start building generators.

Only then can the earth be healed... Make the dumbing down go away.

Live better electricly... Remember that... Its gone away also.

YOU, AIN'T GOT THE BALLS... And, THEY KNOW THAT.

I have left knowledge all over this site. No One reads it...


Verry trooly,


Tango


Let The Force be withIn you.

Tango...You're Helen Reddying all over my White Striping.....:original:

[Malletzky]

Mods.......Can we find out why some threads are gone??

Maybe it's a glitch in the search engine.

Mall....Can you give specifics???

Stargazer, I know that "the martial law" has been withheld due to review by the mods...since almost 10 days now.

malletzky

[Stargazer1965]

Stargazer1965 - The last thing I remember is a guy with a sound weapon for earthquakes (charioteer), Folks like Charioteer may have a place but the message is lost in the delivery. I keep thinking that I may not be seeing things in the light where I need to be more accepting. I heard so many far out things....Who am I to judge if someone has a real message. I believe Collier and his message is so fringe you have to read with a telescope. threatening to use it in the Bahamas. I didn't care, because the wealthy tax exempt thing bugs me. It leaves all the middle class people with the bag!

There was LionHawk putting logs on the fire. I don't know what he was doing, exactly. {sorry LH} What followed was a good v. bad feud about reptilians. Then some interesting guys with asterisks in their names came - one thread disappeared. (third eye(*)) It was a great perspective IMO, but it's gone.

Another one was M1* - interesting fellow. He set the forum on fire.
I was hard on this guy because my past life trampled all over my acceptance and sensibility....I did give him a laugh before he left...I was still wrong
In the meanwhile, the hini (h1n1) unravels with vaccines, Ukraine stuff, Serbia flood, El salvador, new films.... A couple of shootings, one in Fort Hood. Lots of residual steel (World Trade Centres, its energy will just haunt without truth IMO). I'm still waiting for 9.11 truth, officially. Some comings and goings with progress. It's change.

THAT is a constant. I agree with you though, not that I mind dogs, cats, and everything too, that a bit of a trajectory is useful. Even Watcher has a new train, lost the old threads. I was closely following the James Casbolt thread, and it's just sitting there, with my ridiculous suggestion that he should be EU president. (See, if Albania were a EU member, I'd be leaning that way now.)

Maybe it's just a big smash 'em up. :original:

Please see above:thumb_yello:

As below:thumbdown:

It's up to the poster to explain their message....I'm very guilty of being cryptic sometimes when I should just throw out there what I'm trying to convey.

I also try to stay out of conversations where I have no background....

Like LHs reptilian thread.....I really did not know enough to ask questions so out of respect I kept my typing out of it.

But on the same note...I'm examining all the material I can find so I can go back and have the reptilian talk later.

We all need a laugh....there is a place for laughs...there is a place for song

Maybe we also need an ART forum and Inspirational Video section...thinking out loud

Please don't ask me if I'm and bunny or a kitty person......

This is a ship and it can get off course....It has many captains but have respect for this place and respect for others.....

Post things that are important to growing in Knowledge and Spirit....

If I have no place in a topic....I sit back, read and observe.

That's how I learn....What's that saying...Everything I need to know I learned in Kindergarten ( I wasn't programmed yet)

Peace Brothers and Sisters

[iainl140285]

The phrases one mans trash is another mans treasure springs to mind. :lol3:
As well as different strokes for different folks.

Like you Stargazer, I read almost every thread on the site, and only comment where I feel it is appropriate.
Appropriate being, if I can add a different insight or require clarification on a subject.

The threads with subjects that dont mean much to me I still read, but more with the objective of getting a view at where different folks are at.

Swine flu - doesnt concern me. We all know its not flu from a pig! :mfr_lol:

'Imminent disclosure or ET reveal' - Fine. If it happens it happens. Fact is Im alive here and now. I'd prefer to focus my energy on the now, not a set of controlled actions that may come down the line.
(I only used these 2 as an example as they are flavour of the month right now)

I recommend to people here, when you come across a thread you consider to be of high interest to you, is to subscribe to that thread. This way, you will never loose it and you can bring it to the attention of others again in the future when a similar thread comes up. :original:

[Lionhawk]

First off, thank-you StarGazer for your efforts. I know exactly how you feel. I hear your concerns. I also find that your concerns bear much merit as to what has been happening here in recent weeks. If people think you are speculating, they can look at the stats of this forum and see that just in the last month there has been a drop in active members by at least 100. Although I am sure, new members are continuously being recruited, the numbers are on the slide. This is unfortunate in any case. If anything it should be a wake up call to all those who really give a hoot. This was going on even before I came on this boat. In other words the boat was already rocking before I came on board.


That being said, I have found that others here are being turned off by the very practices that were already at work, through subversion tactics, and the rest of the duality attributes that encourage the divide and conquer mentality. Sending dark demonic pictures to someone's profile page for instance is an attack on the one targeted and goes unnoticed is an alarming phenomenon here. There is also all this so called talk about respect for others, but these others own a time share here, and that is where that respect should be directed towards instead of operating in oneness and treating everyone with the same respect across the board. It's not a matter of what someone has contributed so much as to what we all can contribute to the table. The sum total of all that gets contributed out weighs a single contribution. There is so much talk that we are all ONE and yet what gets demonstrated on the other hand is what it is. Call it what you like as I can't say it because someone who is not emotionally mature may react to that and I will be getting another email that I can't respond to because then that would appear as I am being confrontational. People literally taking things totally out of context and converting that context so that they can justify their own emotional body. This is on every level. Their ego, so they can feel all warm and fuzzy. That's superficial. To make the ego sound like it is of the heart when it is a separate thing is an illusion. So it is no wonder why people are leaving or not participating. It's just logical when people are treated in these ways that they find other ways to avoid being targeted because they don't need the bullpoop.


It is to my understanding that this forum is about whistle blowing and the seeking of truth and to be able to discuss it in a reasonable matter. One must question where we are now as compared to what was intended here. This forum was intended for just that. It wasn't intended to be a rumor mill like all the rest. But if you can't blow your own personal whistle and share you own truth without getting bashed to smithereens, then what good is it? This place should be a great platform to work things through. To expose the fears, the terrors, so that we can heal from them and move upward in frequency. But this is not what we are finding here in a real way. Thus, we end up, seeking elsewhere, where we can resolve those issues and in the process, better ourselves for the coming times ahead. What I have also found is that the real work is being done, but it is being done behind the scenes. And in that process, much of what has been accomplished, by those who you have been acquainted with here, have made so many strides that would make your head spin. You would be enlightened by their accomplishments and knowledge of where they have been. I'm talking about people you know from here. Not somebody some arm chair quarterback posts about. But as long as the current trend continues, you will not be informed or enlightened by the same people you have come to know. It is something you will have to earn before that day happens. I'm just informing you what you have chosen regarding this. Mind you it doesn't cover the whole board, but many are jumping ship because they are smarter than what they have been credited for.


Here's another thing. I have asked direct questions but no one wants to answer them. It's kind of a theme here as everyone has experienced this. Many want the silver platter treatment. But here is one question I do have. Has anyone here ever met an Ascended Master? A real one. If you haven't, then how can you say you are connected? Isn't that a blatant lie? Because part of being connected is to also experience the awareness of all that the Creator has created. And in that surely one will experience that in the first hand. It's alright if you haven't. But it's something else to claim that you are this when you are not. That's deception. And Wisdom is to “KNOW” the difference.


I offer a soulution. (I spelled it correctly) Start posting in the first hand. Post your original material instead of copy and pasting. Bring some originality back into this forum. Not to disrespect the light and love angle here, but how many times do we see that posted up without any real action behind those words. How about some action to bring that light and love to higher levels instead of in actions that only result in redundancy? Without offending anyone here with what I am proposing, let me put it another way so that you won't take what I am saying out of context and react with your emotional body. Let's talk about prayers for instance. All prayers are heard. They are also welcomed. But the biggest complaint from on high concerning prayers is that many of them are the same prayer said over and over and over again. If you pray from your heart and just spoke what is in your heart, your prayer would be like fresh. Would be listened to with a new excitement. Would probably be responded to much quicker as your heart contains the God Spark and would transmit that prayer with all the unconditional muster of love that it is. My point is you can talk all you want to about light and love, as a nice warm and fuzzy blanket, but if you never take that blanket and place it on someone who could use it, what good is the talk? It comes down to acting upon light and love and there doesn't need to be a spoken word said to demonstrate that. Call it a silent intent in action that has way more power than the talk. The fact is, this world needs more walk and much less talk. But you are free to talk all you want. Just know a lot of us know it is just that.


I better close StarGazer. I'm starting to get that ram it home feeling again. Again thanks for bringing your concerns to everyone's awareness. I at least appreciate it. Where it goes from here is another thing. I have no expectations except probably a few emails. But before they are sent, know that where I am coming from is about, “The needs of the many out weigh the needs of a few.” I hope no one takes this posting and takes it out of it's intended context as my intent was for the benefit of this forum and all concerned.


Namaste'

[GaiaLove]

Stargazer, I know that "the martial law" has been withheld due to review by the mods...since almost 10 days now.

malletzky

It is a closed thread as per the OP's request but is available as read only --> http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17247

Peace

[Stargazer1965]

It is a closed thread as per the OP's request but is available as read only --> http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17247

Peace

Thanks GL...

Nice new Avatar:thumb_yello:

[Stargazer1965]

First off, thank-you StarGazer for your efforts

[FONT=Georgia, serif][SIZE=4][I]Namaste'

Thanks for the visit brother and you're welcome......Namaste'

[lawlessline]

STargazer, You have started a thread that rings true to what things were like when started.

Lion Heart,Sorry my friend that should of been Lion Hawk. LOL You are spot on when writing posts direct from the finger tips. Any changes that need to be made, spelling, clarification can be done through the edit button. This will then give the feeling of a direct concious conversation and the infomation that will be revealed will have aclarity rather than being a story. Spot on.

I think half the threads that I see now are just things to amuse the idle mind, bring us no closer to solution for a better future. Also it helps some folks who think they are in control to maintain that illusion. Is there real truth in that? Possibly, I could believe that to be true. But thats all the time I have for that, rather loosing and further energy on that sort of think. If you were a cat or a dog has no difference to the outcome of the planet that we occupy at this moment.

An interesting thread, and I think it has been the down hill free fall since is the Nexus thread by Astral walker. that united many people from different think tanks and walks of life. What happened to it? Did it loose its propulsion due to a desired reduction of its influence? Did it fall due to the direct it took. Got too technical? One view process of the project? It is a great idea, but the idea is only what it needs. There are so many asleep that it would bore them back to sleep it the vibrations woke them gently from their slumbers. The idea should be championed not the method. You may get old grannies or even teenagers involved? The middle aged moms and dads, Mr. Joe Blogs? Because with out them on board then none of this will have the effect we all want. THE REALLY CHANGE. Not the change from Obamas or Tony Blairs campagne. Once the change happens, going back on themselves will be impossible. It will be a steady march to love. Then Tango, the motors and all that jazz will come into play. everything in its time. The ultimate lesson we could learn of getting people behind the force of the love and consciounes movement. is that we should walk together before running away from the gathering crowds of peaceful minds.


What needs to be done for the change to be Possible? Once that is in place, we can all be part of a wonderous exchange on love and ideas.

We are the new technology lets just find the on off button.

I could go on for ages, but I think thats enough to get a few balls rolling. everything in its time.

[happyhollergal]

Forums also go through cycles depending on how busy people are out in the real world. Almost all of our time and energy is spent outside working on our place. This also is the busiest time of year for many of us with all types of school activities and the holidays.

And by the end of the day when I'm physically pooped.. I just become somewhat drained and not up to participating much anywhere on the net.

In addition, various individual interests also waxes and wains which is normal. For myself, I've been putting pieces together and following a number of other interviews, Neil Feerer being one, who I've listened to 3 times already, because I find it so interesting. 2012 is of interest due to various viewpoints from folks like Geryl, LaViolette, Freer, William Henry and many others. I've also been listening and reading more about the Mayan 6th night then focusing on the day to day stuff which gives me time to digest and integrate what these other experts have to share. It takes time to cogitate upon these brilliant minds' years of research data. I too struggle with what they share and look for what fits, what makes sense, what is inconsistent and what is coherent. There is just a lot to pay attention to.

Are you aware that LaViolette's interview with Mel of the Veritas Show was cut off 25 times? Now that is an interview not to be missed because for sure there is info there that TPTB don't want the general population to know about.

And then I was listening about how a wormhole opens up in 2012 whereupon transfigured luminous beings will also be arriving... is this a possibility? So I like to think upon these possibilities while building a new retaining wall, digging holes for fruit trees and building a water garden.

And no.. participating in the dog or cat thread just isn't where my head is these days. My time is limited so picking and choosing how to expend energy and time seems to be a priority these days.
Hey Carol! Is there a new interview with Neil Freer that you can post a link for? I'm very interested in his work. It was the video of Neil with Bob Dean called UFO Insiders that first woke me up to the reality of UFO/ET existence, so I would be grateful for something recent that he's done.

[Karen]

First off, thank-you StarGazer for your efforts. I know exactly how you feel. I hear your concerns. I also find that your concerns bear much merit as to what has been happening here in recent weeks. If people think you are speculating, they can look at the stats of this forum and see that just in the last month there has been a drop in active members by at least 100. Although I am sure, new members are continuously being recruited, the numbers are on the slide. This is unfortunate in any case. If anything it should be a wake up call to all those who really give a hoot. This was going on even before I came on this boat. In other words the boat was already rocking before I came on board. [SIZE=3]

I don't think there has been any slide in active members - I've seen a steady increase since the forum took a big hit the day it went paid subscription. Stats were down a little for the Northern Hemisphere summer. If you are making that judgment from this stat, "Most users ever online was 489, 09-15-2009 at 01:34 PM" just realize that was a high point and no where near the current average. When new members jump in a big way, they do rock the boat, and then some rearranging and adjusting takes place.

I'm not concerned - there are ups. There are downs. That's what life is - its a wave! Flat line is death.

[Karen]

User Activity Statistics
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[Karen]

New post stats - weekly
Week 01 (January 2009) 2360
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[Lionhawk]

This set of stats was of this morning just after 3 a.m. Since you have the power dear Karen, what were these stats a month ago or since the record day back in September? I'm just curious. I think that would put things back into the context as to what I had originally stated in this thread. I'll put another log on the fire. Thank-you.

Threads: 14,436, Posts: 178,018, Members: 6,623, Active Members: 709

[Karen]

I don't understand the question. Way past time for bed. Be back tomorrow.

[Karen]

Well actually - there is not unlimited choices on the stats. I'm about out of options.

I can do daily number of posts - you should see the bar graph - it's got a regular wave beat about like an EKG. No decline over this time period. Just up and down. Thump-thump, thump-thump, thump-thump ...

September 10, 2009 317
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[Luminari]

Thanks for the Fishes.
Am I the only member that has no idea what that means? :doh: :lol3:

Please re-define.

[Steven]

Be the change you want to see. The world will never be the way you want, if you want it your way... Don't ask yourself how others may contribute to the whole, but how you can contribute to the whole. Perfection is a myth... Only evolution exist...

Namaste, Steven

[P4BL0]

First off, thank-you StarGazer for your efforts. I know exactly how you feel. I hear your concerns. I also find that your concerns bear much merit as to what has been happening here in recent weeks. If people think you are speculating, they can look at the stats of this forum and see that just in the last month there has been a drop in active members by at least 100. Although I am sure, new members are continuously being recruited, the numbers are on the slide. This is unfortunate in any case. If anything it should be a wake up call to all those who really give a hoot. This was going on even before I came on this boat. In other words the boat was already rocking before I came on board. [/I][/FONT]
Namaste'

Heheheheeee!
Where do I start?
I've noticed that this forum, along with Project Camelot is dedicated to the development and sustainability of higher vibrational levels.
The light.
Lol! I'm trying hard not to lough. Not out of disrespect but out of this pathetic feeling I get when I hear people preaching "The Light".
I am a very understanding person.
When someone comes to me with a problem, I listen to him or her.
No matter what that problem may be.
I am able to put myself in their shoes.
I am not a fan of the light. That's right! I am not a fan of the light.
Why not? Because the light is an illusion.
I enjoy dwelling at the lowest vibrational levels.
I like it here. Because it is the only place where I cannot be betrayed.
I am a very old soul. A very dark soul.
So dark that I can create a vacuum and trap the light.
My tongue is that of a serpents kiss.
A sword in the wind.
Would you prefer me to leave?
That is no problem to me.
Be honest and courageous enough to leave a message on my profile page asking me to leave Avalon and I will.
I'm humble, my friend.
A little crazy too sometimes, but only when I'm in the mood for some fun. ;)

You mentioned something about "Ascended Masters".
I have lived with Ascended Masters.
I have even massaged their feet.
By them I was taught kindness and spiritual growth.
Compassion and the stillness of the soul.
I've learned to meditate with the forest monks.
Some people ask me: What happened to you Pablo?
I automatically lough. Hahahahaha! If you only knew my friend!

I have a question for the audience:
Why is it that so many of the Light workers tend to talk so much but have never experienced the "other side"?

An old teacher once told me:
Grasshopper you must see for yourself, that the intellect is nothing more than a hindrance.
It is an obstacle on the path.
This teacher I speak of, was a former Chemistry professor at Oxford University in England.
He is now a well respected Ascended Masters in the Buddhist Theravada tradition.

I am not a Buddhist. I am not a Christian. I am not a Satanist.
I am just me. With many wrongs and rights.

I think you boys and girls should hang in there.
The new Project Light Warrior Forum should create a division between the light and the dark forces in this forum.
I suggest that only "chosen" individuals are given access to that side of Avalon.
But I must also say this:
Light can not exist without the darkness.
Because in true darkness, there are no shadows.

Respect!

Pablo ;)

[Photo deleted by moderator - K]

[Stargazer1965]

Am I the only member that has no idea what that means? :doh: :lol3:

Please re-define.

I get that from Tango and the Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy...

Tango calls folks that infiltrate the forum to spread negativity and fear "Fishes"

So I think we need to step up or the "FISHES" win the forum and folks move on.....

Hope that made sense .....Peace
__________________

[Stargazer1965]

Be the change you want to see. The world will never be the way you want, if you want it your way... Don't ask yourself how others may contribute to the whole, but how you can contribute to the whole. Perfection is a myth... Only evolution exist...

Namaste, Steven

It's not what I (the fleshy vehicle) wants.....My higher self made a phone call to my lowly intelligence saying that:

THERE ARE FOLKS JUST COMING OUT OF THE SLUMBER THAT PILGRIMAGE HERE....IF WE ABANDON THIS PLACE TO EVIL AND PETTINESS THEN THAT IS ALL THEY WILL FIND WHEN THEY ARRIVE

and my toaster backed it up:thumb_yello:

Peace brother ...Steven the ELDER

[Stargazer1965]

[FONT="Palatino Linotype"][SIZE="4"][COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Heheheheeee!
Where do I start?
I've noticed that this forum, along with Project Camelot is dedicated to the development and sustainability of higher vibrational levels.
The light.
Lol! I'm trying hard not to lough. Not out of disrespect but out of this pathetic feeling I get when I hear people preaching "The Light".
I am a very understanding person.
When someone comes to me with a problem, I listen to him or her.

If you believe all this then maybe you do "GET IT" and are free.

I'm no light warrior or light worker...I follow my soul and if that does not dovetail into the world around me ....I'm fine with that.

But there does not have to be darkness...I need no reference point for my internal compass....

Peace Brother.....and you are my brother....

[P4BL0]

If you believe all this then maybe you do "GET IT" and are free.

I'm no light warrior or light worker...I follow my soul and if that does not dovetail into the world around me ....I'm fine with that.

But there does not have to be darkness...I need no reference point for my internal compass....

Peace Brother.....and you are my brother....

"Follow your soul.."
That's beautiful.. I believe that is what we must do.
Be honest with ourselves.
Well, I cannot speak for others, but only for myself.http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/298/b/4/India_dance_boys_by_sakiroo.gif

[Steven]

...THERE ARE FOLKS JUST COMING OUT OF THE SLUMBER THAT PILGRIMAGE HERE....IF WE ABANDON THIS PLACE TO EVIL AND PETTINESS THEN THAT IS ALL THEY WILL FIND WHEN THEY ARRIVE

and my toaster backed it up:thumb_yello:...

:lol3:... I like your answer brother. Alright, to this I agree, especially if your toaster backed it up:lmfao:. Man, I really need to change my toaster, but at least mine can do Light, Dark or even a compond of both Light and Dark Toasts!

Namaste, Steven

[FIIISH]

the Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy...

That I can relate to...

[mudra]

I have a question for the audience:
Why is it that so many of the Light workers tend to talk so much but have never experienced the "other side"?


Respect!

Pablo ;)



I believe we are all dwelling on the other side when we hold things in dichotomies, when we oppose Darkness and Light .. when judgment sets in and division ensues...If Love is who we really are then understanding can take place that encompasses all sides and the many colors that lay in between. If there is one thing to transcend in this universe it is the field of the mind and all that takes place there in and the only Light to bear is the one that we as pure souls already are.The real peace is the peace of the soul that realizes everything else is illusion.

Love Always
mudra

[BROOK]

I'm here to tell you ..that picture is very much more then all of you realize.
I would not stare at it for very long!

[BROOK]

Thank you for removing it Mudra

[mudra]

"Follow your soul.."
That's beautiful.. I believe that is what we must do.
Be honest with ourselves.


I concur with this ...and if I may add the idea also to " know " that we are souls .. that it is our immortal foundation and who we really are beyond the roles that we play in the many games we are finding ourselves into. For me Souls are Love. Love with no boundaries.

Love Always
mudra

[mudra]

Brook everyone will see in this drawing what he wants to see. This is entirely subjective .
I removed it to save bandwidth not because it is disturbing me.
What I see in it is the cycle of Life and death. The face reminds me of death but in the eyes there is infinity .

Love Always
mudra

I'm here to tell you ..that picture is very much more then all of you realize.
I would not stare at it for very long!

[BROOK]

Take a deeper look dear....it is a demonic "hag" not a man...and it is full of occult symbols...and it has a spell attached.

There is nothing subjective about that.

[Stargazer1965]

Take a deeper look dear....it is a demonic "hag" not a man...and it is full of occult symbols...and it has a spell attached.

There is nothing subjective about that.

I tracked it a little....the artist is a fantasy artist with a website.

Pablo has posted more than a few things from there....

No offense Brook....the only power it has is the power you give it.....


Peace

[BROOK]

I will add, that the Occult leaders of the world subscribe to just such methods of putting us all to sleep. Yes...look in the eyes...see infinity...but what infinity are you see there? Think real hard...is it the infinity that your soul dreams of, or the prison that they want you to forever remain in.


I think everyone here is aware of the occult symbology of the NWO...and the mind control that is rampant.

Yes lets glorify the dark..and all of it's occult symbols..and you are forever in their trap.
I choose not to subscribe to their low tactics, and shield myself to the blatant manipulation. Oh yes, I've seen the dark side of this...and again I tell you....there is nothing subjective about it.

[BROOK]

I tracked it a little....the artist is a fantasy artist with a website.

Pablo has posted more than a few things from there....

No offense Brook....the only power it has is the power you give it.....


Peace
I don't give it any power..I just know what it is

And I take offense when it is posted to my profile page

[Dantheman62]

I don't give it any power..I just know what it is



Demonic, dark, evil, or just plain weird about sums it up!

[Karen]

I think you boys and girls should hang in there.
The new Project Light Warrior Forum should create a division between the light and the dark forces in this forum.
I suggest that only "chosen" individuals are given access to that side of Avalon.
But I must also say this:
Light can not exist without the darkness.
Because in true darkness, there are no shadows.


Oh, I see, P4BL0, what your question about the "Project Light Warrior" forum was about - being excluded, not chosen, division.

Actually the people there are volunteers to put in time to build a website. I see two people in there talking about a graphic that was made. And since this was never explained to the rest of the forum - of course, the imagination goes wild supposing this and that about the unexplained.

This is how Kerry explained taking this course of action: "The bottom line is we are facing an invasion of the planet (it's been going on a long time) and we need to take the planet back... and to do so we need an army of light workers fully developed. It's a battle for hearts and minds (and souls). It's all about consciousness."

More here: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17525

[Steven]

Kerry quote:...It's all about consciousness."...

I got to make a thread about this soon. :original:

Namaste, Steven

[14 Chakras]

Quote from a few post above: "Because in true darkness, there are no shadows."

Nor is there any Life!

Light is Life. Darkness is the illusion of no Life.

Can Life exist without the illusion of no Life?

Being is reality. Darkness is temporary illusion.

Actually, a minute ago, right before I read this line I twittered this:

Light is Life, darkness is the absence of life. Everything is made from light. Light is energy, energy is matter e=mc2. More Light=More Life

[Stargazer1965]

Quote from a few post above: "Because in true darkness, there are no shadows."

Nor is there any Life!

Light is Life. Darkness is the illusion of no Life.

Can Life exist without the illusion of no Life?

Being is reality. Darkness is temporary illusion.

Actually, a minute ago, right before I read this line I twittered this:

Light is Life, darkness is the absence of life. Everything is made from light. Light is energy, energy is matter e=mc2. More Light=More Life

I'm beginning to think that Cain and Able saga was a genetic manipulation of us to introduce duality of GOOD and EVIL for control purposes.

I think of myself as a GOOD man but I can't fool myself....there are dark crevices in my soul.

Maybe that's why our higher selves are here....A test of FIRE

Can you burn away the darkness or succumb to it??

Do you follow the delights of the physical....letting the spirit wither with the pleasures of the flesh??

Put another log on......I have a rite of passage waiting for me.....

CANNONBALL!!!!

:furious:

[TheObserver]

I get that from Tango and the Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy...

Tango calls folks that infiltrate the forum to spread negativity and fear "Fishes"

So I think we need to step up or the "FISHES" win the forum and folks move on.....

Hope that made sense .....Peace
__________________



I thought you meant sarcastically thanks for giving me fish rather than teaching me how to fish.

[Humble Janitor]

The thing is, PEOPLE DO CARE.

I think that some folks just got burned out on the usual stuff and needed a way to lighten the load on their minds. As long as the forum doesnt' fill up with useless threads, I think we will be fine.

I'm already undergoing a transformation from someone that feared being on the streets to someone who can find a way to survive and be happy without a job to go to everyday.

[mudra]

Take a deeper look dear....it is a demonic "hag" not a man...and it is full of occult symbols...and it has a spell attached.

There is nothing subjective about that.

Brook I believe that the way we look at things makes all the difference .
As you see it so it is .
If this drawing is demonic to you than it will be but realize you are the creator of your own reality .The drawing in itself has no power beyond what you yourself are putting into it .

Love Always
mudra

[BROOK]

Brook I believe that the way we look at things makes all the difference .
As you see it so it is .
If this drawing is demonic to you than it will be but realize you are the creator of your own reality .The drawing in itself has no power beyond what you yourself are putting into it .

Love Always
mudra

Perception has nothing to do with it. That picture tells a thousand words to anyone who takes the time to research it and study it.
And again...I have given it no power....but that does not change what it is.
I think anyone who would get a picture of that kind on their profile page would be shocked at best.

[Lionhawk]

But there is no light, there is no darkness, there's only love. lol

Then why is there a Spiritual Warrior Forum being formed? Duh?

Talk about illusions of the mind and the games people play. To try and cover it up so you don't wake up and realize that your soul is about to be harvested. If you think that was a fearful statement, then if that is what it takes for you to wake up, then so be it. Whatever it is I can do to wake others up, by pulling all the stops, then it is a good thing.

Then to create drama by interjecting the emotional body really makes the illusion real. Now that is what I call real fantasy. lol Others call it entertainment.

Real Ascended Masters would never ask anyone to submit to their will. If you have then you haven't met a real Ascended Master. And you will never meet one when you are stuck in your own mind or under someone's feet.

My heart has a mind of it's own. No matter how anyone tries to derail that fact by such tactics as controlled confusion as what is once again being demonstrated here in this thread, is stuck in their own mind and that mind is the one between their ears. Damn sure isn't the mind of their heart.

This thread deserves much better and it is good to see others joining in to raise the frequency of that. StarGazer intentions were to increase the quality of this forum. Correct me if I am wrong StarGazer. However the mumbo jumbo isn't doing that.

Talk about respecting others? Give me a break, Please! Part of being on a spiritual path is to respect others by exercising consideration. You just don't go and invade someone's personal space, drop a bomb, and then sign off on it as respectfully. That's just plain inconsiderate and rude. And then you want to send me a friend request? That is something I could give a better response to with the very language you can relate to but I will be considerate of others here and spare them of that. No one should have to be kick out of any place. One should take responsibility for their own actions and boot themselves out if that is what they choose. For the right reasons mind you.

I'm a simple man, I don't come from wealth. I have a humbled background. But I'm not as stupid as a some would have you believe. I've worked all my life in this field without the resources to make things easier. I use common sense and have a skeptical attitude to keep my balance. I have proven what is up for myself and only want to share that so that others can have a less difficult time of it. That is all. I have paid my dues. All of them. So there is nothing you can take away from me. Is that clear enough? I don't need to be here. Not for my own personal reasons. But I am here for others who have requested that I stay a while longer.

Christ Michael is an Ascended Master. I'm talking about the real one. A real Ascended Master, no matter who it is, will do whatever it is in the first hand. They do not use second hand techniques of any sort to deliver a message. They do it personally in the first hand. Angels included. On one particular night several months ago, he paid me such a visit. He took me somewhere and showed me what is really going on. Mind you I had never met him before. Ever. But I knew who he was. He didn't even speak a word. But I knew he requested my company for a reason. He wanted me to see who was behind the masterminding of all the second hand information that everyone is being drawn to. The believing trap. An amazing agenda to mesmerize and control the masses. Probably the most dangerous weapon of mind manipulation that the dark side uses. Been using this technique for as long as man has been here. Wake up people and go into your hearts and operate from there. That is the only choice you have if you do not want to be harvested. The rest of it is garbage. Propaganda in all it's myriad forms. The duplication of the real Ascended Masters with holographic technology, being used to keep you from going within yourselves to wake up by keeping you in a mode to continuously seek outside yourselves for the answers you are seeking when all this time the truth is already within you. Forget your intelligence for a minute and use some simple common sense. Others will say that you must honor their paths of choice. Granted. So this message is for the ones who no longer want to be played as fools any longer. Choose wisely! Also watch out for the love and light propaganda machine. It is a duplicate program of the real love and light that is so superficial it will make you throw up.

And if someone tells you there is no darkness at work and there is no battle going on, get away from them as fast as you can. Put some integrity back in this forum for starters by not allowing yourself to be compromised by frivolous friend requests that you check off on even when you know better, just to think you are keeping the peace, when in fact you are only enabling compromise which is duality or another word that comes to mind, hypocrisy. You want an Army of Jedi Knights then start walking like you are one.

As for the rest of it, you decide. In the meantime, I'm going to put another log on the fire and if someone wants to know what I am doing, you can tell them I am burning wood. If that doesn't make you feel warm and fuzzy at least my fire will keep you warm and I will share what I have so you won't go hungry. Can you feel the real love now?

Blessings to all!

[BROOK]

Think I'll start a fire myself....the patronizing is leaving me cold. :nono:

[Anchor]

On one particular night several months ago, he paid me such a visit. He took me somewhere and showed me what is really going on. Mind you I had never met him before. Ever. But I knew who he was. He didn't even speak a word. But I knew he requested my company for a reason. He wanted me to see who was behind the masterminding of all the second hand information that everyone is being drawn to. The believing trap.

I'll have some of that please. I'd like to see more from you about what you were shown.

Can you feel the real love now?

Dont know.

A..

[BROOK]

I'll have some of that please. I'd like to see more from you about what you were shown.

A..

Me too :thumb_yello:

[P4BL0]

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs44/i/2009/137/7/3/A_Novel_Reason_by_nicoli80.png

lol..!

[Lionhawk]

Anchor,
I have given much thought as to what you would like for me to reveal. Mind you I am coming from a place of considerable consideration when I say I have to pass. This forum isn't the place to do that. The information isn't for the faint of heart or for the ones who only think that all there is just light and love. It would just end up being a thread slammer and I don't have the confidence here that would make me want to risk it. It doesn't take much to rock this boat. This information would do that and we can't have that. Again, I am weighing the needs of the many over the needs of the few. So forgive me for not being so forthcoming.

I have however revealed what needed to be revealed without endangering anyone's comfort zone. At least I would like to think I did. You never know around here.

That being said, Christ Michael also informed me that we are now passed peak and it is not worth anymore personal persecution by the shallow minded and that I should just turn and walk away. Forget even turning the other cheek as it were. But these are old habits and maybe that is the final lesson for me to learn. Why I still think there is still hope is beyond me at this point.

Perceptions? It's an awareness issue. Your awareness field is what will limit you as to your perceptions. Expand it and you might discover that what is being communicated here as far a dark influences are being manipulated here. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Considering I have never practiced the black arts, it is very obvious what is being practiced here, and by whom. To try and cover that up as it is something else is deception at work in my book. But that's my book. You are enabling the very thing you refuse to see. Give me a break! Actually that's quite disturbing when I think about that.

Should I put another log on the fire?



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[Luminari]

..Perceptions? It's an awareness issue. Your awareness field is what will limit you as to your perceptions. Expand it and you might discover that what is being communicated here as far a dark influences are being manipulated here. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Considering I have never practiced the black arts, it is very obvious what is being practiced here, and by whom. To try and cover that up as it is something else is deception at work in my book. But that's my book..


Truthseekers are frequently driven to the extremes of information. By their very nature they pursue occult knowledge. It is common for a person to develop an interest in magic which eventually leads to Extraterrestrial realities. Evidence of occult wisdom on a UFO forum is no surprise or an indicator of black magic. What gives you that inference Lionhawk?

[P4BL0]

Here it is, I found it!
It was the cat all along, doing the Black Magick..

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs19/f/2007/270/8/9/Black_Cat_Moon_Magic_by_PippinIncarnate.jpg

lol..!

[Stargazer1965]

Here it is, I found it!
It was the cat all along, doing the Black Magick..

lol..!

Pablo.....Can we try to stay on track here??

Posting Kitty and Fishy pics isn't really what we are trying to achieve at Avalon.

Let's try not to DEVIATE(nt).

And yes...I was elected Hall Monitor...they just haven't added it to my avatar yet....

[Tango]

I like the eye's... P4BLO... You Crack me Up....


Tango

[Initiate]

Lionhawk, I really appreciate your frankness and honesty. Thankyou for sharing your real inner knowing. I like how you have refered to Christ Michael. I have personally been on a knowledge quest but steered by my inner guide. I know what is true and which is false. What you say is true. Truth is subjective of course to the time at which it is given. Here is a link where Christ Michael describes himself and lot that has been going on and is going to happen. There is going to be a second comming and there will be a harvesting of souls. Timing is the issue but the message is clear.

http://2012unlimited.net/Christ_Michael_has%20arrived.html

Well, my people of Nebadon, in a recent message where I describe myself a bit, I made the statement, "When I say I am ATON in my higher self, I am ATON, indeed." I hoped to see a few questions, and we got some. ATON is called Creator God by some. Christ Michael is certainly Creator God of the Universe of NEBADON. Please put two and two together, my children. ATON and Christ Michael are one and the same. I said I was a Descending Son in that message, and so I AM. My creation was in the Central Universe of Havona. I AM the Father God of the Universe of Nebadon. I am not a fragment of Michael. I AM Michael. I AM the Christ.


there has been a clear intent by the BBB&G's to duplicate the Ascended Masters and use Holigraphic Tools to spread the messages of these false Masters.

I guess the only true way to know truth is to go within as Lionhawk has said. Learn how to do this and share your real experiences with others.

[mudra]

But there is no light, there is no darkness, there's only love. lol

Then why is there a Spiritual Warrior Forum being formed? Duh?



Let me word this in a more accurate way : there are dark spots in the universe and there are Light spots and in between many shades of grey . These are all different densities of one the flow of creation . The level you choose to dwell into is your own choice for you are the creator of your universe. And the way you adress those things is your choice too . There are many attitudes one can have to respond to things .I believe Love is our soul foundation .. that it is the universal solvent and unifying factor .. Love is the ultimate truth of who we really are as pure souls ...and it that sense Love is all there is . To me a loving and compassionate attitude ranks amongst the highest of our soul's qualities.

Love Always
mudra

[BROOK]

Initiate,
That is the kind of feedback we need around here...not pictures to send obscure messages at best...thank you for that! :wub2:

[waitinginthewings]

It certainly has been challenging around here over the last month or two. The forum sadly seems to have taken a new turn, a new direction, led by those who wish to take it away from its primary focus. Those of us who see what's happening & try to raise the red flag get shot down, with platitudes, pretty pics to offset the harm being done, or told that its all about love & light, or our perceptions are wrong somehow.

The reality is we are being attacked from all angles, & we need to take off the rose-colored glasses and pay attention. If we see an elephant on the road, why do we not trust what our senses are telling us inwardly, why do we want to tell ourselves that its a deer? Are we afraid to face the truth.....the dark side is alive and well & working very hard to confuse, bewilder, & lead you down the wrong path. But if that's ok with you, fine. Please allow others who see things for what they are and are trying to warn you to have their say, without being ridiculed or made fun of......because you are just playing into the wrong hands by doing this.

There are threads & pics & vids showing up now on this forum that once upon a time would not have been tolerated. Pay attention people.

[BROOK]

Let me word this in a more accurate way : there are dark spots in the universe and there are Light spots and in between many shades of grey . These are all different densities of one the flow of creation . The level you choose to dwell into is your own choice for you are the creator of your universe. And the way you adress those things is your choice too . There are many attitudes one can have to respond to things .I believe Love is our soul foundation .. that it is the universal solvent and unifying factor .. Love is the ultimate truth of who we really are as pure souls ...and it that sense Love is all there is . To me a loving and compassionate attitude ranks amongst the highest of our soul's qualities.

Love Always
mudra

I understand how you feel about love being the souls foundation. I have felt the same way...I want more then ever for it to be "all that is"
However...when I think of all the missing children, whose lives have been erased, and put through sheer terror. Of the families who have lost those children, I become reminded of a darkness that has no soul, at least not one based in an attitude that "love is our soul foundation"....not by a long shot.
We as "light warriors", need to come down from the clouds of illusion, and see what is really in front of us...and it might not be that bed of roses that gets painted with all of this denial.
The truth is, it exists...and no matter how much you might want to hide your head in the sand, and not look at it for what it is...it will be there until someone or something does something to bring it to light, and act on it.
Now to say that to dwell on this, is in fact creating that very thing, in our universe, is absurd ....as the fact that it does exist, and I know full well I would not have created it. So exactly where does it come from? No it is not self created by dwelling on it...it exists....it exists in darkness...and it is obscene!

Love always
Brook

[Stargazer1965]

It certainly has been challenging around here over the last month or two. The forum sadly seems to have taken a new turn, a new direction, led by those who wish to take it away from its primary focus. Those of us who see what's happening & try to raise the red flag get shot down, with platitudes, pretty pics to offset the harm being done, or told that its all about love & light, or our perceptions are wrong somehow.

The reality is we are being attacked from all angles, & we need to take off the rose-colored glasses and pay attention. If we see an elephant on the road, why do we not trust what our senses are telling us inwardly, why do we want to tell ourselves that its a deer? Are we afraid to face the truth.....the dark side is alive and well & working very hard to confuse, bewilder, & lead you down the wrong path. But if that's ok with you, fine. Please allow others who see things for what they are and are trying to warn you to have their say, without being ridiculed or made fun of......because you are just playing into the wrong hands by doing this.

There are threads & pics & vids showing up now on this forum that once upon a time would not have been tolerated. Pay attention people.

Great post WW!!!

All that "love pervades everything" comes later....first we have to build a community.

And there has to be shepherds

And apparently they fell asleep and let the wolves in the door

Okay wolves you're here....now what??

Talking with forked tongues isn't going to stray the folks that have been around for a while....so I'm thinking your after the newbies (the lambs)

All the new folks walk in and instead of harmony...they see a bar room brawl.

And there have been some lately.

So what do we do??

ID the fishes and wolves and ask for them to be expelled??

The whole "everyone has a right to be here and have an opinion" is naive and foolish.

If it was really these wolves opinions...Yeah they have a right to them...but it's not..

They like anarchy

So on one side you have the old guard who are not real accepting of the rest because they were the first squatters on this site...

Then you have the anarchists that want nothing better than to throw bunnies ...cursed kitties at everyone.

If I was new...i'd say..To h3ll with this...these folks are nuts!!!!!

So here we stand..

Old guard....the foundation is crumbling..

Anarchist...you can't win

So I ask:


NOW WHAT???

[BROOK]

It certainly has been challenging around here over the last month or two. The forum sadly seems to have taken a new turn, a new direction, led by those who wish to take it away from its primary focus. Those of us who see what's happening & try to raise the red flag get shot down, with platitudes, pretty pics to offset the harm being done, or told that its all about love & light, or our perceptions are wrong somehow.

The reality is we are being attacked from all angles, & we need to take off the rose-colored glasses and pay attention. If we see an elephant on the road, why do we not trust what our senses are telling us inwardly, why do we want to tell ourselves that its a deer? Are we afraid to face the truth.....the dark side is alive and well & working very hard to confuse, bewilder, & lead you down the wrong path. But if that's ok with you, fine. Please allow others who see things for what they are and are trying to warn you to have their say, without being ridiculed or made fun of......because you are just playing into the wrong hands by doing this.

There are threads & pics & vids showing up now on this forum that once upon a time would not have been tolerated. Pay attention people.

This pretty much sums it up! Yes people....pay attention :wink2:

[lawlessline]

Maybe its just a case of saying what needs to come out at the moment. Judgement is never made at the moment rather after a period of time???? Only take what others say as a guide along the road to your judgement. Not one person can ever be right or say that another is wrong. We live in a multidimensional world. Then maybe judgements only aply in one dimension rather than across the board.

Even if the fish are laying eggs on the forum, just try not to give that thread its time and we will soon see where the river bed lays????

But writing in the instant is essential to a well workig forum. Don't break your balls over something that aint worth it?????

[burgundia]

There were threads here that died "the natural death" because people didn't feel like contributing to the....maybe it is the best method. certainly many problems and disputes can be avoided then....but still the word is MAYBE...

[FIIISH]

ID the fishes and wolves and ask for them to be expelled??

And what criteria do you propose to use to do that?

Someone disagrees with you, or one of your "friends", so
you call for their removal?

This is the job of a moderator.

I think the moderators here have things well in hand.

They do a good job of allowing freedom of expression and for
a certain of wiggle-room when it comes to off-topic posts.

At the same time, personal attacks and overtly disruptive behaviour are
not tolerated.

I submit that the struggle with our own shadow is the real issue here, not some imagined invasion of NWO dark agents who are out to destroy us. We are doing a pretty good job of that ourselves.

I also think that one of the reasons we are seeing so many off-topic posts
is that there are only so many new developments on a day to day basis.

You can only discuss the same tired topics for so long before they are pretty beat to death. Being human, when our members get bored, what do people do? They create threads and post pictures about cats, Walmart, and Keanu Reeves.

I believe alot of the skirmishes that occur here are due to the fact that some of our members are lonely(standing alone in their knowledge if not physically alone), and are hungry for attention-any attention, they can get from other members-even negative attention.

Yes, we have differences. And everyone has their own reasons for being here.
The Ground Crew are supposed to represent the Forces of Light, correct?

If someone really believes they represent the forces of love and light, they will endeavor to treat someone as they wish to be treated.

[burgundia]

I have nothing against having some decent fun here.....I love laughing....

[bellsisland]

I thought an ascended master was one who has died and returned to help.

Is is to personal to say that I was privileged to meet Steven Seagal? He helped me tremendously.

(bells ducks out of the way)

[BROOK]

And what criteria do you propose to use to do that?

Someone disagrees with you, or one of your "friends", so
you call for their removal?

This is the job of a moderator.

I think the moderators here have things well in hand.

They do a good job of allowing freedom of expression and for
a certain of wiggle-room when it comes to off-topic posts.

At the same time, personal attacks and overtly disruptive behaviour are
not tolerated.

I submit that the struggle with our own shadow is the real issue here, not some imagined invasion of NWO dark agents who are out to destroy us. We are doing a pretty good job of that ourselves.

I also think that one of the reasons we are seeing so many off-topic posts
is that there are only so many new developments on a day to day basis.

You can only discuss the same tired topics for so long before they are pretty beat to death. Being human, when our members get bored, what do people do? They create threads and post pictures about cats, Walmart, and Keanu Reeves.

I believe alot of the skirmishes that occur here are due to the fact that some of our members are lonely(standing alone in their knowledge if not physically alone), and are hungry for attention-any attention, they can get from other members-even negative attention.

Yes, we have differences. And everyone has their own reasons for being here.
The Ground Crew are supposed to represent the Forces of Light, correct?

If someone really believes they represent the forces of love and light, they will endeavor to treat someone as they wish to be treated.

I can see your point here..I feel the same way about the way things are run around here...the mods have a big job and such.
However there is a line that has been getting crossed here. See what you feel, to have a picture like that posted on your profile page, with no explanation....no good reason..then tell me how you feel at that point.
That picture, I gave it no power...however it was intended to have such...just the same. It is not what we came here for....at least not why I am here...and I'm sure there are many here that would agree with that.
I don't believe anyone is asking for removal as such...just consideration is all we ask. And to be allowed to express ourselves without blatant disruption...or side tracking.
It is not what this forum was built for.

[Stargazer1965]

Maybe its just a case of saying what needs to come out at the moment. Judgement is never made at the moment rather after a period of time???? Only take what others say as a guide along the road to your judgement. Not one person can ever be right or say that another is wrong. We live in a multidimensional world. Then maybe judgements only aply in one dimension rather than across the board.

Even if the fish are laying eggs on the forum, just try not to give that thread its time and we will soon see where the river bed lays????

But writing in the instant is essential to a well workig forum. Don't break your balls over something that aint worth it?????

Oh I know...I'm not the one to judge...hence the sleeping Shepherds comment.

And I know things die out but I have seen a lot of threads take so much life they knit a sweater over silly subjects..

Maybe they meant something to someone

but wasn't this space for

Spirit

and

Knowledge

Shouldn't we write with those 2 words in mind??

[TheObserver]

What do you want SG1965? Only right wing everything is terrible posts. Love comes before community otherwise your community is useless.
I don't believe MSM at face value but i'm not gonna believe conspiracists automatically either.
It's only a forum and divergent outlooks are actually good despite the silly 'likeminded' thinkers thing which smacks of elitism.
A sheeple is a sheeple whether they are a MSM sheeple or a conspiracy sheeple.
Lighten up, it's NOT the end of the world.

[waitinginthewings]

What do you want SG1965? Only right wing everything is terrible posts. Love comes before community otherwise your community is useless.
I don't believe MSM at face value but i'm not gonna believe conspiracists automatically either.
It's only a forum and divergent outlooks are actually good despite the silly 'likeminded' thinkers thing which smacks of elitism.
A sheeple is a sheeple whether they are a MSM sheeple or a conspiracy sheeple.
Lighten up, it's NOT the end of the world.

This is hardly a sentiment that contributes to our concerns here, but yet again serves to try to silence those who dare to speak their truth.

[TheObserver]

Ok, don't lighten up! But lose the anger, you can be serious without anger and kvetching.

[BROOK]

Ok, don't lighten up! But lose the anger, you can be serious without anger and kvetching.

Who is angry and kvetching? We are simply voicing a concern

[TheObserver]

I guess i'm saying the problems in the world don't hinge on whether a forum has a few silly posts, or if 'fishes and wolves' post (which am i?).

[Tango]

Well... It depends on what the intruder comes with...

I Really... Have a problem with Masters... Fakes... Frauds... One's that Fish...

See... I did Die... I was sent back... I, know what I'm to do. N' Why I'm here.

And, I'm waken them up... Keeping my word... The more I help others the

stronger I get... But, I can't stand when they come in with a BLAST....

" The Earth is going to Crack on Friday, 13 Nov 09..." Bull Hockey Pucks....

Then I step out and say what I need to SAY... Cause I Must.........

I will say I've seen some Real nice members join....

Well, You know the rest....


Trooly,


Tango




Ok, don't lighten up! But lose the anger, you can be serious without anger and kvetching.

[BROOK]

I guess i'm saying the problems in the world don't hinge on whether a forum has a few silly posts, or if 'fishes and wolves' post (which am i?).

That is a good point...however there may be another way to look at this.

Have you watched television lately? And how many useless fish commercials are out there to entice our children and ourselves. It's very relevant as to how we see things happening...as the concerns of the few on a forum do reflect out, into our world, and phase us daily.

[TheObserver]

I watch tv, but i don't have cable so i watch stuff i know is stupid during the day on the local NBC outlet then switch to PBS in the evening.

[BROOK]

I watch tv, but i don't have cable so i watch stuff i know is stupid during the day on the local NBC outlet then switch to PBS in the evening.

So I'm sure you understand what I speak of

[TheObserver]

Of course. It only takes knowing that the stuff on tv is possibly not as it seems to make you look at it differently and constantly chuckle at the 'news'.

[Karen]

Puts on moderator hat:

If you have something to say about this dark subject - say it, here or in PM. I'm watching. I'm listening. I'm weary of trying to decode code talk, needle out nuances, and sift through a zillion grains of sand looking for that gold nugget of how people feel about what's going on here. It's every member's forum and this one may come down to a case of the majority.

Putting on member hat:

I am so sensitive to images, that in order to stay here, I had to find the code to turn off these jumping, swirling, and dancing avatars and emoticons in Firefox. Then when I found the vBulletin button to turn off avatars and get them out my field of vision while I read messages I did that too. I miss the beautiful ones, but there are a few I don't miss at all. It was worth it. I no longer have to hang a folded newspaper on the left side of my monitor when reading some threads.

While I'm participating in this forum, I don't want to look at naked women, or even 7/8th naked women. I don't want to look at cats with devilish eyes, or wicked looking old crones. I don't want to look at deviant art or watch sexual performances where a woman sticks her bare foot in a man's mouth and pours an alcohol beverage down her leg.

I would think those who are on THIS forum that want to look at deviant art are in the minority. Forums are interest specific. I'm not going to join a knitting or cooking forum either. So one way or another, voluntarily or otherwise - this deviant art ends now, or I will take my leave of this place.

[mudra]

All that "love pervades everything" comes later....first we have to build a community.

And there has to be shepherds


The sacred hill
A dakota Lakota world view
By Litle Crow
http://www.honesty.org/fry/The%20Sacred%20Hill%20Within%20-%20by%20Little%20Crow%20(1999).pdf

There are no supreme beings, no supreme races, there is nothing superior to you
nor are you superior to anything else because everything is sacred, everything
is part of creation. There is no object, thing, act, person, or religion that is better
than any other. No one is more spiritual, more religious, more saved, less saved, more
sinful, less sinful than anyone else. No one can buy God. No one can buy
indulgences or salvation, nor can anyone take retribution or revenge because each of us
is God. We are God according to our need. We just have to be accountable to live
as we believe God would live.
Have you ever wondered why there are fleas? Someone asked me that the other
day and I decided that person didn't have enough to do if they had time to sit
around and wonder why fleas exist. But think about it, if everything is sacred and
we are not to kill indiscriminately, why do we have fleas? They exist to keep
dogs busy so they don't chew the furniture or wear a path in the yard, so they will bite
themselves, chase their tails, scratch and kick, roll in the dirt, jump in the water or do
whatever else it takes to find relief If we watch the dogs, the four legged, we
see ourselves doing exactly the same thing. Fleas might represent an
unwanted relationship and we scratch, kick, and bite trying to get rid of it like a
dog trying to get rid of fleas. Like the fleas, everyone in our lives is there to give us
something to do. If they are sick, down and out, depressed, hungry or sad, it gives
us something to do trying to help them. Otherwise, we might not be doing
anything except sitting around on our butts. By the same token, we are
wherever we are, doing whatever we are doing so someone else will have something
to do. Someone else can love us or hate us. Someone else can love and hate us at the
same time. Someone else can ridicule or hurt us. Someone else can help us. Each
of us is on this earth, part of the puzzle, so that we will have something to do — to
consider helping our relatives and to think about those who will come after us. I do
not know for certain if there is a heaven or hell, but I do know that I don't believe in
them nor am I concerned about them. What I am concerned with is whether or not
I have the faith to do for you what you need me to do, if I can, and to be
accountable for it, to be accountable for the God self that dwells within.
Separation from the concept of God has become the reality of the human condition. We
think of God as separate, outside of ourselves in some other universe or dimension. We
have removed ourselves from the source of all things and, as a consequence, we are
left struggling and blinded. We can see daily examples of our separation from God
in the newspaper accounts of child abuse, rape, murder and other terrible things
that people do to one another. Many of us want to know why things like that
happen and we often hear people wonder how God can let those things occur. We live in
a world of balance and duality so the question is, why wouldn't they happen? Someone
made a decision to do those terrible things and why they do them is irrelevant. The fact
is, they happen. It isn't God that makes or lets them happen. It isn't some outside force that
creates those events. God, Allah, Buddha, has nothing to do with it. A human being
makes the decision to do those things to another human being. It is a matter of choice.
It doesn't matter how badly those people might have been abused in their lives or what
has been done to them, the still have a choice. Ea ch and every one of us has a choice
and that choice isn't predicated on what has happened to us in the past. There are no
excuses, there is no one to blame but ourselves. We, and only we, are responsible and
accountable for the choices we make. We are all accountable for recognizing the God
within each of us and living our lives according.

If we are going to build a community then we have to build it from our God within ..I personnally call it Love ..that sacred space within you that makes you responsible for all that is .
I believe there are times in one's life where raising a hand to another can make all the difference. One person raises his hand to another from the place he is and the views he holds and another one does the same and so on .It does'nt specially take great and serious discussions to do that .All it takes is to be aware of another' s needs and then do what your heart tells you . We can discuss the world at great lengh but what good will that do if we don't care for one another ..if we don't bring some beauty in another's life . I believe these should be the guiding lines .. how much have you really worked from your inner god self everyday so that you can reach and bring light onto the other his god self .
It is a choice one can make that helps one transcend judgement and separation by working towards unity. When we do this we will be strong and the sum total of all those hands we will have raised will lift the world.

Love Always
mudra

Love Always
mudra

[BROOK]

If we are going to build a community then we have to build it from our God within ..I personnally call it Love ..that sacred space within you that makes you responsible for all that is .
I believe there are times in one's life where raising a hand to another can make all the difference. One person raises his hand to another from the place he is and the views he holds and another one does the same and so on .It does'nt specially take great and serious discussions to do that .All it takes is to be aware of another' s needs and then do what your heart tells you . We can discuss the world at great lengh but what good will that do if we don't care for one another ..if we don't bring some beauty in another's life . I believe these should be the guiding lines .. how much have you really worked from your inner god self everyday so that you can reach and bring light onto the other his god self .
It is a choice one can make that helps one transcend judgement and separation by working towards unity. When we do this we will be strong and the sum total of all those hands we will have raised will lift the world.



That is exactly the point...where is the beauty brought into another's life from that demonic picture?

[Tango]

So how about a policy....... Girls... Kar... Brook... Mudra....

[P4BL0]

YouTube- Pirates of the Caribbean "Up is Down" scene with funny song

[mudra]

That is exactly the point...where is the beauty brought into another's life from that demonic picture?

Brook let me acknowledge the fact that this picture had disturbed you and shocked you .
I can concur to this .
However did you discuss it with Pablo to see what that drawing meant to him.
I believe this would be fair and at least bring some understanding.
Viewpoints will change and evolve when mutual understanding takes place.

Love Always
mudra

[BROOK]

:wall: I cannot believe you would ask that...I left a warning not to do it again..that should have been sufficient :wall:
I suppose you would have me believe it came from a warm fuzzy loving spot in his heart?

:nono:

[BROOK]

I will add...that this forum is full of very energetically gifted people, and at least 8 on line have pm'd me to tell me that they saw the exact thing I saw..and were shocked. And that they could not look at it for any length..as it was painful :lightsabre:

[waitinginthewings]

Brook let me acknowledge the fact that this picture had disturbed you and shocked you .
I can concur to this .
However did you discuss it with Pablo to see what that drawing meant to him.
I believe this would be fair and at least bring some understanding.
Viewpoints will change and evolve when mutual understanding takes place.

Love Always
mudra

Mudra: It is not only Brook that has been disturbed by "that" pic & others posted by Pablo. In my opinion I do not believe that this forum is the correct place to display this so called "art". As I'm sure you are aware, there are many other forums that will happily let him post there to his hearts content. It is my understanding, when I purchased a membership here, that I would be participating in a forum with spiritually minded people who were working to create a better world, without the evil that currently prevails. It is of concern to me that you seem to be extremely tolerant of evil being presented here, & is affecting people. It certainly is not bringing love & light nor beauty. It is bringing division where once there was none. You might want to re-consider where you stand on things. Respectfully.

[BROOK]

Mudra: It is not only Brook that has been disturbed by "that" pic & others posted by Pablo. In my opinion I do not believe that this forum is the correct place to display this so called "art". As I'm sure you are aware, there are many other forums that will happily let him post there to his hearts content. It is my understanding, when I purchased a membership here, that I would be participating in a forum with spiritually minded people who were working to create a better world, without the evil that currently prevails. It is of concern to me that you seem to be extremely tolerant of evil being presented here, & is affecting people. It certainly is not bringing love & light nor beauty. It is bringing division where once there was none. You might want to re-consider where you stand on things. Respectfully.

as I live and breathe...thank you :wub2:
Hay Lionhawk...can I put a log on the fire now?

[mudra]

Brook and Waitingthewings I respect your views.
The forum is'nt mine but if I had a decision to take it
would go along the well being and balance of the community.
I understand some of Pablo's pictures have disturbed more than one
here .
I am not in favour of disturbance as it is my heartfelt desire that
Avalon goes on and has a long life .
Because of this I believe the well being of all prevails here.
If recommendations have to be taken about these specific pictures than it should
be done along those lines.
On the other hand Pablo has a right to explain himself and to make himself understood
if that is possible and if he wants to .

Love Always
mudra

[Lionhawk]

mudra said, "
Let me word this in a more accurate way : there are dark spots in the universe and there are Light spots and in between many shades of grey . These are all different densities of one the flow of creation . The level you choose to dwell into is your own choice for you are the creator of your universe. And the way you adress those things is your choice too . There are many attitudes one can have to respond to things .I believe Love is our soul foundation .. that it is the universal solvent and unifying factor .. Love is the ultimate truth of who we really are as pure souls ...and it that sense Love is all there is . To me a loving and compassionate attitude ranks amongst the highest of our soul's qualities."




I didn't create this Universe. I reside in it however. As do all of us. Look around. Telling me that I have created my own Universe while I am still in this one doesn't make any sense to me. If you are on this Planet, you are not residing in your own Universe. You may reside in your own little box of reality, but that reality isn't the whole Universe. You dwell in your own reality. Your own little box of it. And there are trillions upon trillions of little boxes in this Universe. You determine the size of the box you're in. That is all you are able to do. Everyone has their own little box called reality.

I can see how you may feel about love being the ultimate truth of who we really are. But what I find is that we are much more than that. What I found was that love is a higher aspect of ourselves as similar to the blood running through our veins. I also found that love comes in several different rays. To say it as the ultimate truth is only your perception of it from your reality and doesn't apply to everyone. If what your reality is being dictated as the ultimate truth then why are we surrounded with all this darkness and abuses of the free will gift? Or maybe it is the way you explain it that just confuses me to no end. Love is an aspect of ourselves. An attribute of "compassion." Compassion being the sum of all the love rays and our divine spark of conscientiousness. The ultimate truth here is that we are consciousness. In our most basic form. The God Spark that says "I am." Everything else comes after that. That waking moment is the ultimate truth of who we really are. What we do after that is another story. So maybe we are talking the same thing here and I am just having a difficult time understanding how you are communicating it because to me this is creating a variety of confusion. Also to act as though love is the only solution to our problems is like a drunk saying I'm just fine. It's what love in action does that is what will solve our problems instead of just stating what love is without action. That is what I see where the new age movement drops the ball. Like you can sweep it under the carpet by just saying it with no action behind it. The end result is we still have all these problems to contend with. Look out your window and take a look for yourself. It still boils down to awareness. That moment in time where that spark says I am and grows from there. In Heaven, they say you feel so much love that you don't want to leave it. Well, I'm not in Heaven yet as I am here. When we get to Heaven then have at it. But until we anchor that here on the Planet, you can't expect me to swallow that as when I look out of my little box, "I see more than dead people." hahahaha I am really trying to understand your take on this Mudra and maybe it is just the way you are communicating it without any foundation is why I am lost here. Using other doctrines to explain it only confuses it further along with what you believe also makes it that much more confusing for me. I'm more interested in what you really know instead of all this outside interference that only diminishes what you are trying to convey. And if you don't really know, that's alright too. At least I will know where I stand.

One last thing here Mudra. FLEAS. The dark side created these little buggers along with other hideous creatures. The Creator didn't create these hideous things. So you lost there once again and your justification as to why they are here really doesn't represent the truth here either. Please explain that so I can wrap my head around that. Fleas were created by the dark so we can watch them in a circus might be a better explanation. But yet, when my Sade gets them it only does one thing for her and that's torture.

Peace

[BROOK]

Mudra,


So I'm reading that you see nothing wrong with these pictures? It's all love and light? That it's just the few of us sensitive souls that are bothered by it?

What are your views on these pictures again? I'm very interested to know how you can condone them.

[Stargazer1965]

Puts on moderator hat:

If you have something to say about this dark subject - say it, here or in PM. I'm watching. I'm listening. I'm weary of trying to decode code talk, needle out nuances, and sift through a zillion grains of sand looking for that gold nugget of how people feel about what's going on here. It's every member's forum and this one may come down to a case of the majority.

Putting on member hat:

I am so sensitive to images, that in order to stay here, I had to find the code to turn off these jumping, swirling, and dancing avatars and emoticons in Firefox. Then when I found the vBulletin button to turn off avatars and get them out my field of vision while I read messages I did that too. I miss the beautiful ones, but there are a few I don't miss at all. It was worth it. I no longer have to hang a folded newspaper on the left side of my monitor when reading some threads.

While I'm participating in this forum, I don't want to look at naked women, or even 7/8th naked women. I don't want to look at cats with devilish eyes, or wicked looking old crones. I don't want to look at deviant art or watch sexual performances where a woman sticks her bare foot in a man's mouth and pours an alcohol beverage down her leg.

I would think those who are on THIS forum that want to look at deviant art are in the minority. Forums are interest specific. I'm not going to join a knitting or cooking forum either. So one way or another, voluntarily or otherwise - this deviant art ends now, or I will take my leave of this place.

Okay gloves off...

We became "too understanding...too accepting"

Pablo brought the girls in the bar......the nipple pics...then the full frontal fondling herself..

Now I am no prude.....If I want to go to a strip bar...I'll pay for that

If I want to grow in spirit...I come here

If I want to learn from scientific minds on the fringe...I come here

If I want religion shoved down my throat...I'll go see father down at my catholic church

The boundaries are wide...but they are there

Karen...you are people just like us....How accepting can you be as a moderator??

You guys probably have little guidance and this is not your fault but neither can it go on.

If we can't make a stand here...how can we make a stand out in the world??

We trust that if we get out of hand a little or get a little heated...you guys do need to step in

But when a member does not contribute to the reason for this place....are they just taking up room??

I'm guilty of one liners....Plenty

but I also take long pauses and think of what I'm going to write

and Ask myself every time

Am I giving knowledge

or

Am I sharing spirituality

how many times have a picked up a golden nuggets from someone posting using those same questions??

We do need shepherds Karen......

Peace

[Carol]

Having taken art for a number of years and being a painter I've always found Pablo's pictures beautiful and haunting at times. Some of them make me think where I have pause. I've yet to experience anything that he has posted as offensive. What this means is that as members we have different tastes. Karen prefers not to see images. I don't know if there is a way to disable that feature for her however, it is a choice she would like to opt for. I, on the other hand, love the pictures as I often think in images as well so they speak to me directly at a different intuitional level. I would hope that there is room here for all of us.

This however... "Pablo brought the girls in the bar......the nipple pics...then the full frontal fondling herself.." I may have missed. The bold part is where I would be offended.

[BROOK]

Having taken art for a number of years and being a painter I've always found Pablo's pictures beautiful and haunting at times. Some of them make me think where I have pause. I've yet to experience anything that he has posted as offensive. What this means is that as members we have different tastes. Karen prefers not to see images. I don't know if there is a way to disable that feature for her however, it is a choice she would like to opt for. I, on the other hand, love the pictures as I often think in images as well so they speak to me directly at a different intuitional level. I would hope that there is room here for all of us.
Carol...this picture was demonic...and filled with occult..and laid on my profile page, and now here....it is dark and has no place here.

[Stargazer1965]

Of course. It only takes knowing that the stuff on tv is possibly not as it seems to make you look at it differently and constantly chuckle at the 'news'.

Okay Observer ...ask yourself 2 questions:

Am I giving knowledge

or

Am I sharing spirituality


What's your answer??

[Stargazer1965]

Having taken art for a number of years and being a painter I've always found Pablo's pictures beautiful and haunting at times. Some of them make me think where I have pause. I've yet to experience anything that he has posted as offensive. What this means is that as members we have different tastes. Karen prefers not to see images. I don't know if there is a way to disable that feature for her however, it is a choice she would like to opt for. I, on the other hand, love the pictures as I often think in images as well so they speak to me directly at a different intuitional level. I would hope that there is room here for all of us.

This however... "Pablo brought the girls in the bar......the nipple pics...then the full frontal fondling herself.." I may have missed. The bold part is where I would be offended.

Carol....Okay whether your accepting of it or not...Is this the place for it??

[Carol]

no, not for what was in bold... the rest, yes.

[P4BL0]

Yes.. You are all right..
I have brought too much nonsense upon this forum.
I shall retreat in peace.
I let you all get back to the real discussions without any further disturbances.
Don't worry.. i will not post any more pictures in Avalon.
My apologies if I have frightened anyone.
Sorry mate!
I guess, I'm just haven't had the opportunity to evolve as a spiritual being yet.
So I'm now going to do the real practice in my own time and space before posting any more silly comments.

God bless you all!
May you attain the highers truth.
Because the truth will set us free.

Pablo ;)

[mudra]

Brook ,

I have only seen the picture that was posted on this thread . I don't consider it all love and Light . I understand how it can be disturbing . I am not learned in esoterics and symbols so what you see I don't see .
I am an artist myself so for me it is a drawing . I see death and I see Life in it .
That is my own subjective interpretation . Death in itself isn't specially something nice to look at .It is scary .But it is as it is. I have no further judgement .

Love Always
mudra

Mudra,


So I'm reading that you see nothing wrong with these pictures? It's all love and light? That it's just the few of us sensitive souls that are bothered by it?

What are your views on these pictures again? I'm very interested to know how you can condone them.

[BROOK]

Brook ,

I have only seen the picture that was posted on this thread . I don't consider it all love and Light . I understand how it can be disturbing . I am not learned in esoterics and symbols so what you see I don't see .
I am an artist myself so for me it is a drawing . I see death and I see Life in it .
That is my own subjective interpretation . Death in itself isn't specially something nice to look at .It is scary .But it is as it is. I have no further judgement .

Love Always
mudra
Well, maybe you better study up on it, as there is a battle for our souls out there...and the dark poses as light...and when it shows itself as dark...it laughs in your face...as has been done on this thread already..with pictures of kittens and videos

[Stargazer1965]

Brook ,

I have only seen the picture that was posted on this thread . I don't consider it all love and Light . I understand how it can be disturbing . I am not learned in esoterics and symbols so what you see I don't see .
I am an artist myself so for me it is a drawing . I see death and I see Life in it .
That is my own subjective interpretation . Death in itself isn't specially something nice to look at .It is scary .But it is as it is. I have no further judgement .

Love Always
mudra

Mudra....My job leaves me on the mountain top a lot...I know things others don't

They come to the peak ask me for my wisdom and walk away content with the pearls I handed them

but

I never really felt kinship because everyone just walked back down my mountain and I sat there ...ALONE

Come down sometimes Mudra.....I could use a friend....:original:

Peace

[TheObserver]

I was simply answering Brook's question, so yeah knowledge SG1965, i was sharing my thoughts.

[14 Chakras]

Consider, darkness wins when you fight it. The act of fighting is all it takes for darkness to win.

Whenever you fight something, you will create an equal and opposite reaction, and the cycle will continue indefinitely until one side finally decides it's time to turn the other cheek, and to continue doing so.

Gandhi is the best modern example of this in action. Could India have gained independence by fighting? I do not believe so.

Turning the other cheek is not a passive measure. For it results in the 'other side' having to examine their actions. You are no longer fighting back. No longer creating a reaction. Now they have to look at themselves in the mirror and can no longer create a picture of you being the cause of their own problems. They also have to deal with the karma, which will increase exponentially when the continue to act against one that turns the cheek, while u just keep shining your light like a sun.

For me, it's not about choosing sides, it's about moving beyond the fight.

In order to have a perpetrator, you must have a victim. We can now finally choose to move beyond the victim consciousness and take responsibility for our own energy fields and world and know truly we are co-creators.

We are here to shine our light brightly like Suns, but not to fight the darkness, merely enlighten it. If people knew better, they would do better. Shine the light on the darkness and people will know better.

We are here to Be Suns :)

[Lionhawk]

Well, if I may jump on this band wagon once again as far as these pictures. I love art. I am an artist as well. I think that a picture of a woman's body is one of the most beautiful things that the Creator has created. I also received from this person a picture on my profile page after I rejected a friend request from this person. I rejected this person because I am not in alignment with this person. The reasons are obvious. So to also take into account of others visiting my profile page, and consideration towards them, I deleted it. It was an evil looking nude. It was also a message that was sent without the words being written. I'll admit it. I'm a lesbian. :lmao: I love Goddesses and pictures of them done artistically. But what was done was done in poor taste. I don't even know this guy and what I do know of him, I don't want to know of him or know him. He's not what I am about in any sense of the word. I find that his actions of provoking an emotional response across this board, in a negative light, is not what this forum is all about. And for others to act as though these were harmless acts just also opens my eyes that much further. The double standards around here is what makes me sick to my stomach. But that is my stomach. I have already determined by passed actions that I have experienced here already and even before then, will allow compromise to flourish here no matter what I have to say and use certain people as patsies. So whatever you all decide as I will just have to go with that flow so I don't rock this boat.

[BROOK]

So is it okay if I put another log on the fire? :naughty:

[waitinginthewings]

Consider, darkness wins when you fight it. The act of fighting is all it takes for darkness to win.

Whenever you fight something, you will create an equal and opposite reaction, and the cycle will continue indefinitely until one side finally decides it's time to turn the other cheek, and to continue doing so.

Gandhi is the best modern example of this in action. Could India have gained independence by fighting? I do not believe so.

Turning the other cheek is not a passive measure. For it results in the 'other side' having to examine their actions. You are no longer fighting back. No longer creating a reaction. Now they have to look at themselves in the mirror and can no longer create a picture of you being the cause of their own problems. They also have to deal with the karma, which will increase exponentially when the continue to act against one that turns the cheek, while u just keep shining your light like a sun.

For me, it's not about choosing sides, it's about moving beyond the fight.

In order to have a perpetrator, you must have a victim. We can now finally choose to move beyond the victim consciousness and take responsibility for our own energy fields and world and know truly we are co-creators.

We are here to shine our light brightly like Suns, but not to fight the darkness, merely enlighten it. If people knew better, they would do better. Shine the light on the darkness and people will know better.

We are here to Be Suns :)

14Chakra: I'm confused with your post. Can you clarify briefly who you are referring to & what exactly are you saying.

Ghandi never gave up......he simply held his ground with his people & protested in a non-agressive way. He did not turn the other cheek & go home & forget about it, nor did his people. He demonstrated fighting ones oppressors without violence & not giving up.

You say we are here to enlighten the darkness.....I think you underestimate the darkness......which is why we need to be on guard, while shining our light everywhere.

[BROOK]

14Chakra: I'm confused with your post. Can you clarify briefly who you are referring to & what exactly are you saying.

Ghandi never gave up......he simply held his ground with his people & protested in a non-agressive way. He did not turn the other cheek & go home & forget about it, nor did his people. He demonstrated fighting ones oppressors without violence & not giving up.

You say we are here to enlighten the darkness.....I think you underestimate the darkness......which is why we need to be on guard, while shining our light everywhere.
Absolutely

[14 Chakras]

Not directed at anyone in particular.

Did Gandhi fight the British? I suggest a watch of the movie Gandhi sometime, it is a great movie and will show how India gained independence.

Gandhi's entire strategy was to turn the other cheek. Notice how you must stand your ground to turn the other cheek. If you run away, is this turning the other cheek? No it is not.

You shine your light. Someone attacks you for it. Do you fight back? How about you stand your ground and keep shining your light instead!

Thinking we must respond fist for fist, eye for eye, is the same kind of thinking that has had the world in wars for the past several thousand years.

There has even been described a 700,000 year war that has been raging in space. Did either side turn the other cheek? Is there maybe a lesson to be learned there? Hmmmmmmmm I dunno know, whataya think?


To get us where we want to go, a world that works for everyone, it's not about 'getting rid of them', it's about realizing that 'they' are not our problem. We are our problem! The problem lies within us. Fix our own consciousness, and we'll realize both the problems and solutions lie inside of us.

:)

[waitinginthewings]

Not directed at anyone in particular.

Did Gandhi fight the British? I suggest a watch of the movie Gandhi sometime, it is a great movie and will show how India gained independence.Yes, I have watched it a few times, some years ago now....very good movie

Gandhi's entire strategy was to turn the other cheek. Notice how you must stand your ground to turn the other cheek. If you run away, is this turning the other cheek? No it is not. agreed

You shine your light. Someone attacks you for it. Do you fight back? How about you stand your ground and keep shining your light instead!agreed

Thinking we must respond fist for fist, eye for eye, is the same kind of thinking that has had the world in wars for the past several thousand years.No one here is suggesting this is the way to go

There has even been described a 700,000 year war that has been raging in space. Did either side turn the other cheek? Is there maybe a lesson to be learned there? Hmmmmmmmm I dunno know, whataya think? Dont know if this is a real war or not...so no comment


To get us where we want to go, a world that works for everyone, it's not about 'getting rid of them', it's about realizing that 'they' are not our problem.They are our problem if they keep getting in our way, & trying control/oppress us in any way. We are our problem! The problem lies within us. Each of us have our own problems, yes & that is our responsibility to work on these, but it does not negate others imposing their problems on us eitherFix our own consciousness, and we'll realize both the problems and solutions lie inside of us. I ask you to think about this situation.....the Tibetan monks & nuns busy working on their consciousness in their monastery, peaceful, loving, compassionate beings not harming anyone.......now picture the Chinese guards that invaded their serene & peaceful setting. They were dragged outside and shot in their courtyards....some of nuns were raped & then killed. Not a pleasant picture. The monks without any weapons to defend themselves, were slaughtered. You say turn the other cheek:nono:

:)

:original:

[Dantheman62]

OK, something's really bugging me about this "fishes" thread!!!

It's not "Thanks for all the fishes" !!!!!!

It's "Thanks for all the fish" !!!!!

"fish" is plural for "fish"

:wink2:, sorry, :wall:

Now continue, and smile! :original:

[14 Chakras]

Tibet - Yes a great example.

The entire world knows that the little Tibet is abused by the big Chinese.

In fact, China has a very strong desire to go in and wipe out the light bearers that are in Tibet and turn it into a home for Chinese rather than Tibetans. They do not respect their spiritual culture, and in reality see it as a great threat.

Now if it was all about fighting, China would have done this a long time ago. China is almost infinitely superior in terms of military strength.

The reality is, if the Tibetans practice open warfare against the Chinese, the Chinese will almost instantly wipe them out.

So why hasn't China been able to do this?

The reason China has not been able to do this is because Tibetan's have not fought their oppressors. Instead, the Tibetans have continued to do their best to shine their light, and when practical (when it will ideally get some news coverage), protest their oppressors. They have been seen by the entire world being abused and mistreated as they turn the other cheek.

I suggest, this ALONE has saved their culture from being taken over by the Chinese.

Tibet has gained massive support from millions of people all over the world. If China we're to openly declare war on them, the opposition in the heart's and minds of the people of the world would overwhelm them.

The Karma would literally be too much for the Chinese to bear. Their government would almost definitely begin to fall apart at the seems.

Free Will is the most powerful law on planet earth. Because the majority of spiritual people on this planet have seen Tibetan's peaceful nature, they have made a commitment in their hearts that Tibet will remain. Tibet stands to this day, and will be a bright light in leading a New Earth in the East in large part due to their strategy of turning the other cheek. May we learn by their example in the face of enormous opposition we face.

We don't have the guns, we don't have the technology, but a pure heart is so much more powerful. A New Earth will be built on the Pure in heart.

[FIIISH]

I shall retreat in peace.

For those who's goal is to run people off this site, I hope you are happy.

Pablo's posts were a breath of fresh air to me.

Everyone is going to commit a faux pas now and then.

Do you choose to harp on it ad nauseum or forgive that person and move on?

Think carefully, because one day the shoe will be on the other foot.

[waitinginthewings]

Tibet - Yes a great example.

The entire world knows that the little Tibet is abused by the big Chinese.

In fact, China has a very strong desire to go in and wipe out the light bearers that are in Tibet and turn it into a home for Chinese rather than Tibetans. They do not respect their spiritual culture, and in reality see it as a great threat.

Now if it was all about fighting, China would have done this a long time ago. China is almost infinitely superior in terms of military strength.

The reality is, if the Tibetans practice open warfare against the Chinese, the Chinese will almost instantly wipe them out.

So why hasn't China been able to do this?

The reason China has not been able to do this is because Tibetan's have not fought their oppressors. Instead, the Tibetans have continued to do their best to shine their light, and when practical (when it will ideally get some news coverage), protest their oppressors. They have been seen by the entire world being abused and mistreated as they turn the other cheek.

I suggest, this ALONE has saved their culture from being taken over by the Chinese.

Tibet has gained massive support from millions of people all over the world. If China we're to openly declare war on them, the opposition in the heart's and minds of the people of the world would overwhelm them.

The Karma would literally be too much for the Chinese to bear. Their government would almost definitely begin to fall apart at the seems.

Free Will is the most powerful law on planet earth. Because the majority of spiritual people on this planet have seen Tibetan's peaceful nature, they have made a commitment in their hearts that Tibet will remain. Tibet stands to this day, and will be a bright light in leading a New Earth in the East in large part due to their strategy of turning the other cheek. May we learn by their example in the face of enormous opposition we face.

We don't have the guns, we don't have the technology, but a pure heart is so much more powerful. A New Earth will be built on the Pure in heart.

Tibet resides only in the hearts of the people....Tibet is no longer a free land and free people. Their culture wiped out & replaced. Perhaps too many cheeks have been turned & still are turned when it comes to Tibet. But the Tibetan people are indeed a wonderful role model for the rest of the world. Since Buddhism came to the West, it has brought us many gifts, & I am thankful for their teachings. I feel very sad about the Tibet situation & don't want to go into a long discussion here about it.

[14 Chakras]

I believe there is enough left of Tibet for it to be reborn in the near future. I believe great Light will be born in Tibet and India in the near future that will completely transform the East into the Light. :) Yes, it's looking a little sad for now, but it's still there and it's traditions live on alive and well behind closed doors. Most importantly, as you say WaitinginWings, they have not been able to take Tibet out of the hearts of it's people!

[BROOK]

For those who's goal is to run people off this site, I hope you are happy.

Pablo's posts were a breath of fresh air to me.

Everyone is going to commit a faux pas now and then.

Do you choose to harp on it ad nauseum or forgive that person and move on?

Think carefully, because one day the shoe will be on the other foot.

I understand your feeling about this...no one wants to be run off..and no one is running anyone off.
I certainly would feel bad if that happened to me.
However...there is a line that has been crossed here, and there had been plenty of opportunity to correct the situation...but instead..we get more of the same, in the way of Kittens, and satirical videos..a laugh in the face as I see it.
If you are aware that you have done something that has upset someone, would you not try to make it right with that person? I know I would. But nothing had been said until the "retreat".
In fact, there did not have to be a retreat...all there needed to be was a simple understanding, and removal of the picture. Simple! No?
So explain how that is running anyone off?
A breath of fresh air...maybe if you want to view things that offend..however, most here do not want to be offended.
That shoe will not be on my foot..as that is not something I would let go to this extent.

[Lionhawk]

For those who's goal is to run people off this site, I hope you are happy.

Pablo's posts were a breath of fresh air to me.

Everyone is going to commit a faux pas now and then.

Do you choose to harp on it ad nauseum or forgive that person and move on?

Think carefully, because one day the shoe will be on the other foot.

What's to forgive? You had someone who invaded others for no reason and when those people finally came out and revealed that because they were sick and tired of the multiplule faux pas as you call it, with a targeted intent, you are going to blame us for that? You are going to hold us responsible for someone's action of ill will? Is this what you are saying? I didn't ask him to leave. I also didn't ask him for his special treatment of ill will. Are you condoning his actions here by your statements? Obviously you are sending the message that it is alright to super impose your will over others as just a faux pas and now you want special treatment in return. Please. This wasn't just one instance for the record. All it did was create a bunch of unneeded chaos for everyone concerned. To save the trouble on the forgiveness issue, he can forgive himself. I'm not holding anything against him. But I don't have to enable this kind of thing. Use rape as an example. You are still imposing your will over others and is that alright to count that as a faux pas? Maybe rape is a little extreme but it is the same kind of thing that happened here along the lines of targeting certain people when they didn't even submit or provoke this kind of treatment. Sounds to me like someone needs to rethink about the shoes being on the right foot or not. Get real. Your awareness here as to what kind of issues this created could use some nurturing. Did you once put yourself in any of the shoes that was on the receiving end of this? You don't have to answer that. You already did in your post. And you think we are happy about the outcome? Where did that come from? There has been nothing glee full about it. :nono:

[waitinginthewings]

For those who's goal is to run people off this site, I hope you are happy.

Pablo's posts were a breath of fresh air to me.Not to worry, I'm sure you will be able to find that breath of fresh air in the next forum he visits.

Everyone is going to commit a faux pas now and then.Its not the first time this has happened & he left & came back to do it all over again

Do you choose to harp on it ad nauseum or forgive that person and move on? By this do you mean that we should forgive him & let him continue to entertain you with his breath of fresh air?We are trying to move on, but you are the one to post without the facts..

Think carefully, because one day the shoe will be on the other foot.
I think most of us here are aware of our responsibility to ourselves & the members of this forum, & try to govern ourselves accordingly. If we slip up, of course we will endure karma, just like pablo. But it depends of what the intent of what you are calling a faux pas? If one acts with ill will intent, then of course there is karma. End of story.

[Lionhawk]

Just for you Waitinginthewings

:wink2:





Pantyhoser :lmao:

[FIIISH]

If one acts with ill will intent, then of course there is karma.

I will acknowedge that I may not know the whole story.

I have not been on the receiving end of whatever actions caused this
strife and therefore do not have the emotions that go with it.

I am still left wondering if ill intent is the issue, or just lack of consideration
and manners.

I am disturbed by what seems be a trend of intolerance towards others
here and that is what is driving my comments on this.

Perhaps I expect too much from this forum and the people on it.
We are only human after all.

[bushycat]

There is a Bohdhisattva among us who is remarkably original and knows of light and points to it in startling ways. He doesn't even know his own power.
Shunning comes from fear and ignorance. Let's take care here and tread lightly.

Love Always,
Bushycat

[BROOK]

bushy, with all due respect...what does that have to do with posting demonic evil pictures and laughing about it?

How dos one tread lightly in the face of evil?

[bushycat]

bushy, with all due respect...what does that have to do with posting demonic evil pictures and laughing about it?

How dos one tread lightly in the face of evil?


I did not see any evil. I do not wear rose coloured glasses. Evil is a perception. And if evil is headed right toward one, stepping lightly might be wise: leap out of the way. In other words, no fear.
What I meant, though, was if we step lightly,don't step on others' toes here and take off blinders and dwell in compassion, taking the next step might be easier.
There is no reason for me to argue here. That was really all I wanted to add.

With great respect to all,
BC

[BROOK]

No Bushy...I respectfully disagree..this picture is evil

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=187061&postcount=47

and it is offensive...to step away from it, and walk around it gives it power.
It should have the light shown on it..then it will have no more power

[Lionhawk]

I know how you feel BushyCat. I once felt the same way. But one day I did take the blinders off and found that I had let my awareness field to be govern by my experiences instead of my soul. Hopefully you will discover this someday. Maybe your friend who doesn't know his power can teach you. Good luck with jumping out of the way in the meantime.

Extra Blessings to you. :original:

[14 Chakras]

Nobodies perfect!

[waitinginthewings]

There is a Bohdhisattva among us who is remarkably original and knows of light and points to it in startling ways. He doesn't even know his own power.
Shunning comes from fear and ignorance. Let's take care here and tread lightly.

Love Always,
Bushycat


For those who are wondering what a Bodhisattva is: here is a good definition.

Bodhisattva (Tibetan: jang chub sem pa. English: heroic aspirant to enlightenment): The word ‘bodhisattva’ from the Sanskrit language is a Buddhist technical term relating to motivation, qualification, and level of spiritual attainment. It is a primary term found in the Mahayana Sutras as practiced in Northern Buddhism (North India, Himalayas, Central Asia and East Asia) and its meaning is included in the definition of Mahayana Buddhism distinguishing it from other forms of Buddhism such as Theravada of South Asia.

From the point of view of Himalayan art ‘bodhisattva’ is a term used to describe a peaceful god-like appearance based on the deities of the classic Hindu pantheon. As described in the literature of the Sutras and Tantras, male and female figures are portrayed as beautiful, wearing silks and jewels, playful in posture and depicted in the bloom of youth, sixteen years of age. Gender is often difficult to distinguish. Examples of these subjects are Manjushri, Avalokiteshvara and Maitreya for the males and Tara and Sarasvati for the females. Bodhisattva appearance and god-like appearance are synonymous and are generally applied to subjects that are peaceful, non-historical human, non-wrathful, and non-buddha-like in appearance.

As a religious term ‘bodhisattva’ means a heroic aspirant to enlightenment. An individual becomes a ‘bodhisattva’ by taking up the enlightenment thought (bodhichitta) through one of two standard rituals, sometimes called an ordination, following either of the paramount philosophical schools of Yogachara or Madhyamaka. A bodhisattva is a practitioner of the enlightenment thought which is the aspiration to achieve complete enlightenment as a perfect Buddha for the benefit of oneself and all other sentient beings in the universe.

Based on spiritual attainment bodhisattvas are divided into two groups: first, there are ordinary people, men and women who are followers of Northern Buddhism that have participated in the ritual of the enlightenment thought and are now considered to be ordinary bodhisattvas. Second, there are the special students of the Buddha, special bodhisattvas, spoken of in the ancient Mahayana Sutras. Examples of these, referred to by the title of bodhisattva or great (maha) bodhisattva, are Manjushri, Avalokiteshvara and Maitreya. They are known as realized or enlightened bodhisattvas based on a system of ten levels, or grounds of spiritual realization, that progressively lead to complete enlightenment – buddhahood. The ordinary bodhisattvas, following the behaviour of the special bodhisattvas as examples, engage in a course of practice modeled on the system of these ten levels.

The aspiration to reach enlightenment for the benefit of all beings has three special similes to characterize three mental attitudes used in accomplishing the goal of enlightenment. They are King-like, Captain-like and Shepherd-like. The King-like attitude has the intention to lead beings by example and reach enlightenment first - bringing all beings safely along behind. The Captain-like attitude, just like a good ships captain, brings everybody on board together, and as a group safely crosses over to enlightenment. With the Shepherd-like attitude the flocks of beings are ushered ahead while the bodhisattva guides from behind. The bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara is famous for his discourses in the Mahayana Sutras on the Shepherd-like attitude. Shakyamuni Buddha as a bodhisattva was an example of the King-like attitude.

[Unified Serenity]

I feel I love Brook, and Lionhawk, and waitinginthewings responses so very much. I have felt this way many times before. However; I have found that the truth is not always in the eye of the beholder. Sometimes **** is ****.... There was a rather rude joke told amongst some co-workers of my father when he worked in the Saudi Kingdom of two arabs walking down the street.

#1 says, "Hey that looks like ****"

#2 says, "Hey, that feels like ****"

# 1 says, "It tastes like ****"

#2 says, "It must be ****"


All I can say is I know **** when I see it!

Much love,

Unified Serenity

[BROOK]

I feel your love Unified, and Lionhawk I have also felt the same way....however I have to stop laughing so hard before I can tell you all what I have found.....:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Love you guys
Brook

[Unified Serenity]

Brook :lmao::lmao::lmao:

Stop, you're killing me :lmfao:

Love always and forever wherever you find me...

Unified Serenity

[Wormhole]

Yes, "thanks for all the fish." (Thanks Dan)

Wow. I just read this thread for the first time. I guess I've been busy.

So. I thought I'd say hello first, "Hello."

I just wanted to say that you can be "Love" and be a "Warrior" at the same time. I think that is our future. Evolve to become your own guide and your own advisor. Be good to others and protect yourselves from anything that your intuition knows is not good for you. That is freedom. That is choice. That's ok. I do not need permission, nor does anyone else.

Being spiritual and enlightened does not mean to dump your intelligence and caution out the window and believe everything you read and are told. We need to be discerning here, and quite frankly we need to be mature. To top it off our paths are different, we need to be respectful.

SO what is true responsibility? What does it mean to be human? How do you define yourself? Do you walk up and say, "I am a buddhist." Do you say, "I believe in Christ?" OR DO YOU DARE TO SAY... how I believe is MY OWN BUSINESS, unless I decide to share it with you. My consciousness is original and belongs to me alone, as I am unique and only GOD knows me. do you say, "and I respect that only God knows you." (That is if you believe in God, and I respect that too.)

My point is... we are never going to completely agree. How wonderful and challenging it all is. But I will agree to this:

I will respect others and their ways of thinking though dissimilar to my own.
I will not let anyone try to tell me how to think, either.
I will talk about my opinions in a nonviolent fashion.
I will respect and treat any disagreements with honor.
I will not back down and be true to myself and my own intuition.
I will always LOVE everyone here.

Peace of Mind, Strength of Heart,
Wormhole

[Initiate]

I've been doing some thinking pondering on the problem here and going within. While sitting in my arm chair looking out the window at the clouds as the sun was low with completely grey sky. A whole opened just enough for the sun to shine through right at me. Then it went away sky completly grey again. about 10 minutes latter. two wholes opened and a curved line for a mouth for the sun to shine through. It was like I was being smiled at. then sky was grey again. then 10 minutes latter just before the sun went down. The sun shone through a little opening again before going behind the hill.

I took this as a sign to deliver the inner message wouldn't you?

ok, so...

This duality has meant we have many shades of light and dark. Whilst some souls have signed up to play the dark role some have signed up to play the light. In order to know the light we must also know the dark. At some point in our soul evolution out higer self choose for us to play the dark role. Pablo realises this and is at peace with himself. His veal has been lifted. For those of us that are currently playing the light role could you cope with knowing the dark roles you have played in the past? At some point this will be revealed to you. We need to put the lessons of the past behind us and move forward together. We have learnt our lessons and can now grow up.

The forms of the souls that choose the dark path still reflect the light that shines on them. If we push them right out of the way then there is only a void that remains. If we choose to react to the dark with darkness then there will be nothing to fill the void.

If we don't understand the language of Art we shouldn't dish it. These pictures may have some magic attached (not magik) but what I will do is make the following edict:

"In the name of the AM that I AM never again will the beauty of Art be tainted by the occult dark arts. Never again will any creature be negativly tainted by such images. May the Art itself stand on it's own as what it is... Art. From this day forth so shall it be"

As a co-creater we have the power to do this and this is the choice I make and I hope you will make also. This is our power. So I urge you to use your power for this purpose. This is our future together so lets start now.

[Zeddo]

personally I don't have the words to comment on this whole thread, not sure that I even want to so, hate or not, this vid is a dash of what we all need

YouTube- Stand By Me | Playing For Change | Song Around the World

[Karen]

Karen prefers not to see images. I don't know if there is a way to disable that feature for her however, it is a choice she would like to opt for. I, on the other hand, love the pictures as I often think in images as well so they speak to me directly at a different intuitional level. I would hope that there is room here for all of us.

This however... "Pablo brought the girls in the bar......the nipple pics...then the full frontal fondling herself.." I may have missed. The bold part is where I would be offended.

I never said I don't like images. I said I have chosen to disable the swirling and jumping ones. This site is filled with beautiful images in all kinds of threads - one of which you started Carol. I think some of the astronomy pictures are simply out of this world. I don't care for the one eye avatars and now I don't have to look at those anymore. But I cannot disable looking at the pictures everyone is posting and still effectively moderate.

I have extensively researched the issue of the images posted by P4BLO, and the sequence of objections before making the statement that I did. It looks like to me the intent was to goad those who voice their objections. I am not talking about one or two pictures - but several dozen. Now P4BLO has apologized and posted more of these pictures on his personal page. So ... as much as I wish this to be a resolved issue and that we all forgive and move on ... well, I guess we'll see ...

[Wormhole]

That was one of the most kick ass vids I've seen in a long time. Well, good luck everyone.
Peace of Mind, Strength of Heart,
Wormhole

[Luminari]

In light of Initiate's post I would really like to share P4BLO's (hope you don't mind mate) mayan astrology that I decoded a couple of days ago for him. I think it is profound and relevant to this discussion;


You are a Tone 3 NIGHT

Tone 3 is action, movement, communication, eloquent self-expression.

NIGHT says:

Bringers of the dawn. Dreamers who bring the new sun to clarify and illuminate the road of life. Thus the insecurities and doubts born of darkness or the sub-conscious mind are dispelled. These persons travel the Void, a place where nothing yet exists but all potential dwells, the womb of creation.
From this void, Night persons bring forth new solutions and artistic inspiration. Night's voyages of dreams build confidence and happiness with a sense of well being. If Night does not bravely journey into the void they may find themselves wandering the darkness of self doubt and insecurity.



We are all perfect individual expressions of All That Is. Its seems there is so much righteous indignation here and judgment.

Lighten Up... thats my mantra for the week.

Karen, you have done such a wonderful job as moderator, you are so sensitive you have to cover up the user icons? I find that extreme in a conservative way.

I am a wild flame burning through the lies of our status quo. I come here because I seek interaction with like minded 'rebellious' entitees.

[Karen]

Karen, you have done such a wonderful job as moderator, you are so sensitive you have to cover up the user icons? I find that extreme in a conservative way.
.[/B]

No as I said - just a few of them - maybe 5 - most avatars on this forum are absolutely gorgeous - and reflect the preferences of the people on this forum. I turned them off, so that is no longer an issue. I was very specific about the TEENY TINY percentage of pictures within the posts/videos that are objectionable to myself and the other sensitive people. I take quite a bit of time to write my posts, going over them several times, in hopes that I am clearly expressing myself.

[Karen]

So how about a policy....... Girls... Kar... Brook... Mudra....

I think it's already covered - in this section of the guidelines.

SUBVERSIVE TOPICS

Discussions that involve drugs and other intoxicating substances, pornography, foul language, racial / sexual / national intolerance, hate speech, politically subversive acts or planning, will obviously not be tolerated. See "Banned Reasons" section below.


BANNED REASONS

* Violation of your registration agreement: "By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."

* Trolling - An internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion. SEE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

* If involved with intervention by a moderator/admin and the individual is argumentative, unreasonable or belligerent (synonyms used for emphasis) that individual can consider themselves self-banned.

[Anchor]

No Bushy...I respectfully disagree..this picture is evil

and it is offensive...to step away from it, and walk around it gives it power.
It should have the light shown on it..then it will have no more power

(moderator hat off)

Brook,

You have claimed this many times in this thread, but it leaves me wanting for information to support the claim.

You appear to have done more than anyone including P4BLO to draw attention to the picture and give it "power", and every time anyone suggested not to do that you come back with - that it is "demonic" and has a "spell" on it.

I note that you have not explained in any significant or meaningful way what is "demonic" about that picture or what the "spell" was that was on it. Even if there was, I doubt that P4BLO knew about it. This site would be well served by such an explanation - that would be more on topic than most of the rest of this thread put together.

Just saying a picture is demonic does not make it so. It seems to me that this is where the word "demonizing" comes from.

A..

[Malletzky]

If you allow me to be a bit philosophical here, in no mean is this to offend anyone:

My first (subjective) premise: we’re all of the same descent. But nevertheless, we should be aware that as individuals, we’re very different. This is the way it’s meant to be.

My second (subjective) premise: there’s only one truth, and we’re all here in order to learn how to find this universal truth.

My third (subjective) premise: I am from the light, but I know there is darkness too.

Now: the individual human behaviour (in common, and please don’t forget that, no matter what we really are, we’re still “caught” in this what we call human body, this perfect constructed vessel with many mind limitations) on different issues in our everyday lives is exactly what has been mirrored here on this forum.

Our own individual energies, which we radiate around us, interfere all the time, no matter if we like it or not. And we’ve been exposed to these energies, again like it or not :original:

Our written words reflect these energies and make them “visible” for the other. Some will feel these energies, some will not. But one should be considered: we’re all on a different level of understanding, on a different level of being able to feel these “other” energies. That’s all. That’s why we react different, that’s why we act different.

Now, what we see here on this forum, not only on this thread, are many truths...really many truths. And about the truth, we just shouldn’t underestimate the individual abilities of all other to handle their own truth.

What matter is the individual emotional attitude to accept that there are many other truths exposed here. This can be learned, but mustn’t. It can be learned by acting from within and searching from within. I don’t claim to have accomplished this, but I’m for certain trying to follow this way.

I said on a different thread (as some other said here on this thread too), that this forum has its own natural rules...very natural rules. And this brings me back on the beginning of this post: our energies interfere, it’s US who should be able to handle the “other” truths and accept it.

If we’re not able to vibrate that high (or that low) as the common vibration of this forum, we will leave...and this could happen to any of us, anytime!

So yes, we could see many individuals coming here...and going away...on their own...as their emotional attitude wouldn't allow them to handle OUR truth too...

My last premise: I will let you (you in common, no one particular) do whatever action you take, as long as I can feel your “positive” vibrations [be it from the “light side” or from the “dark side”...(oh how I struggle with this duality)].

But if I feel that you tend to harm me or other with your energies, I will show you my light. That’s all. This doesn’t mean that I will harm you anyway, as I can’t do this, I don’t even know how to...But you will definately notice that I have protected my self from the interference with your energies...latest then, when our paths disperse...

Sorry for the long and really philosophical post :thumbdown:.

with :wub2: and respect
malletzky

[Stargazer1965]

OK, something's really bugging me about this "fishes" thread!!!

It's not "Thanks for all the fishes" !!!!!!

It's "Thanks for all the fish" !!!!!

"fish" is plural for "fish"

:wink2:, sorry, :wall:

Now continue, and smile! :original:

Oh I forgot...I threw some Python Meaning of Life in that small statement also....

[Anchor]

Sorry for the long and really philosophical post

Don't be. It was one of the most intelligent and resounding posts I have read on this forum in ages.

Thanks

A..

[BROOK]

(moderator hat off)

Brook,

You have claimed this many times in this thread, but it leaves me wanting for information to support the claim.

You appear to have done more than anyone including P4BLO to draw attention to the picture and give it "power", and every time anyone suggested not to do that you come back with - that it is "demonic" and has a "spell" on it.

I note that you have not explained in any significant or meaningful way what is "demonic" about that picture or what the "spell" was that was on it. Even if there was, I doubt that P4BLO knew about it. This site would be well served by such an explanation - that would be more on topic than most of the rest of this thread put together.

Just saying a picture is demonic does not make it so. It seems to me that this is where the word "demonizing" comes from.

A..

Okay..since your moderator hat is off...I will explain why myself and about eight other very energetically gifted people on this forum see this in the picture.

Demonic

In religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion), folklore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folklore), and mythology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology) a demon (or daemon,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon#cite_note-0) daimon from Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language): δαίμων daimōn) is a supernatural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural) being that is generally described as a malevolent spirit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit). A demon is frequently depicted as a force that may be conjured (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjuration) and insecurely controlled.


It is a picture of a hag...not a man as it would be supposed..so what is a hag?

A hag is a wizened old woman, or a kind of fairy or goddess having the appearance of such a woman, often found in folklore and children's tales such as Hansel and Gretel.[1] Hags are often seen as malevolent, but may also be one of the chosen forms of shapeshifting deities

Basically a witch....
A real witch can be a very dangerous weapon, as it can not only destroy but also can kill a person, evil witches can also be compared to a vampire, also when some has an untimely death, it can be a suicide or any thing and if their wish is not fulfilled then they don't leave this world easily and roam as evil witches or vampires and if she comes in front of you then you are in trouble.

The apple in the hags hand is used in performing spells....it is common practice to use in spells..to wave over the smoke of a candle, the poison apple...it is a symbol of magic, and evil magic combined with the symbols in the picture.

The intent of the picture is about a spell...with the intent showing the apple in the hand.

As even Mudra has pointed...she and several others have seen Death in this picture...that is because this is what the spell surrounds.

Several more symbols are in this picture, that I don't have time to point out..but that is the sum of it.

Again...do I give it power? No...but it is what the picture is about non the less. And to put it on my profile page...with no explanation...unacceptable.

[lawlessline]

Wow. Been to bed for the night and come back to find this thread has just exploded. Great thread. One of the most interesting reads for some time.

Must drop off az couple of messages/
Pablo. Don't worry mate we are all in the same boat. As we walk from the stern to the bow the view changes and we develope an awareness of the concious instant. You have many talents, that is sure, now is the time to find the right channel for them. This will help you in every aspect of what to do and when to do it. There is nothing to forgive in you, like there is nothing to forgive in those who brought the threads attention to the pictures. Words written or spoken carry as much wieght.

Mudra,

I think someone said it already. But brush up on what means what on the playing field presented before us. Also in finding your inner love, do not loose sight of the other emotions that make up your whole. Love

SG1965 The wooley jumpers thing. LOL LOL man like the imagery. May be I was just repeating what was alread said.

I saw someone said something about rules and regulations??? Not sure who but that doesn't matter. Like my name sake I don't agree with any rules or regulations. They have no part to play in conscious conversations or life in that realm. The only time they have relavence is in the dimension of matter. Structure etc. The only thing that I would like to see less of, and this way weed out the fishes,:naughty:, is the prediction front. I have a problem with that aspect. How can anyone believe that their reality is the devining one. You may believe that things will manifest for oneself. But not for a global aspect. There are alot of freewill people who will disagree with the predictions. I will never make one, not even that the sun will shine tomorrow.

Channel info must not be placed upon another as it is asking the other person to follow like a sheep. Only when one asks for infomation directly can aniother person through channeling give their point of view. This as I said earlier is one view and never can be considered the be all and end all.

What a GEREAT thread. Boy its been a long time coming. But where are the others from sometime ago, Astralwalker, Jonas, etc. Come people I know you look in from time to time. Your love of the conciousness is needed to help each other.

I admit this is the only post that I get really concerned with because the rest of the cat daog GFL and others just seem people popping one off??????

[Stargazer1965]

Okay..since your moderator hat is off...I will explain why myself and about eight other very energetically gifted people on this forum see this in the picture.


It is a picture of a hag...not a man as it would be supposed..so what is a hag?

A hag is a wizened old woman, or a kind of fairy or goddess having the appearance of such a woman, often found in folklore and children's tales such as Hansel and Gretel.[1] Hags are often seen as malevolent, but may also be one of the chosen forms of shapeshifting deities

Basically a witch....
A real witch can be a very dangerous weapon, as it can not only destroy but also can kill a person, evil witches can also be compared to a vampire, also when some has an untimely death, it can be a suicide or any thing and if their wish is not fulfilled then they don't leave this world easily and roam as evil witches or vampires and if she comes in front of you then you are in trouble.

The apple in the hags hand is used in performing spells....it is common practice to use in spells..to wave over the smoke of a candle, the poison apple...it is a symbol of magic, and evil magic combined with the symbols in the picture.

The intent of the picture is about a spell...with the intent showing the apple in the hand.

As even Mudra has pointed...she and several others have seen Death in this picture...that is because this is what the spell surrounds.

Several more symbols are in this picture, that I don't have time to point out..but that is the sum of it.

Again...do I give it power? No...but it is what the picture is about non the less. And to put it on my profile page...with no explanation...unacceptable.




Brook...the pic is gone now...I didn't see an apple...I saw what I thought was a sand dollar.....

[lawlessline]

Sorry another thing, whilst I am on a role. The Ghandi thing. This is a great lesson of how defeat an oppressing will. Such as the Wills that be. They don't have real power, so I think we should be honest with ourselves and address that idea that it is the Wills That BE rather than the Powers that BE.

I think it was Sitting Bull who replied to the question "Who are you?" He replied I am. When asked his Name he said They call me Sitting Bull. Not that his name was sitting bull. The difference is slight but makes all the difference.

[BROOK]

Brook...the pic is gone now...I didn't see an apple...I saw what I thought was a sand dollar.....
It was a cut apple...with seeds showing
That could have looked like a sand dollar..but it was an apple

[lawlessline]

It was a cut apple...with seeds showing
That could have looked like a sand dollar..but it was an apple

Confirmation Worked along time in Fruit and veg aswell. It was a golden apple or Coin I think thats how its spelt in French pronounced kwan???

But there was one.

But it has gone and should no long have a hold on your thoughts.

[BROOK]

Confirmation Worked along time in Fruit and veg aswell. It was a golden apple or Coin I think thats how its spelt in French pronounced kwan???

But there was one.

But it has gone and should no long have a hold on your thoughts.

Poof...gone :thumb_yello:
Thanks

:wub2:

[BROOK]

On last thing Anchor...You stated :

I doubt that P4BLO knew about it.

Well here is some of P4BLO's newest magic equipment...so I would suppose he knows about magic, spells, and such...he even made the wand you see here

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs51/i/2009/266/d/e/Thoth_by_patulito.jpg
http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs51/i/2009/266/f/8/Magick_Wand_and_Pentacle_by_patulito.jpg

[Lionhawk]

I'd like to thank everyone here for all the eye openers. What a way to wake up on this fine day.

I better go chop up some starter wood. Looks like the fire is going to need some serious tending today. Hopefully with a few good laughs and more eye openers.

Oh, one last thing I need to clarify, I'm a guy. My comment really threw a lot of people apparently. It went right over their heads. :lmao:

[BROOK]

I knew it all along.....guess there will be no need to help you with those pantyhose....hahah :lmfao:

I could not have started the day off better...good laughs, a good fire, and a little magic :thumb_yello:

[Stargazer1965]

I just wanted to thank everyone for their contributions...I was truly touched...Star

[Stargazer1965]

I'd like to thank everyone here for all the eye openers. What a way to wake up on this fine day.

I better go chop up some starter wood. Looks like the fire is going to need some serious tending today. Hopefully with a few good laughs and more eye openers.

Oh, one last thing I need to clarify, I'm a guy. My comment really threw a lot of people apparently. It went right over their heads. :lmao:

Oh I get it now...If you were a girl you'd be a lesbian ...cause you love women so much.......

(slow kid in back...with glasses):mf_rosetinted:

[Tango]

Were they tinted or Sun Glasses..... [hiding] Or, the dreaded Rose colored.

Hey... I, resemble that remark... [Chuckle]


Tango


See Anchor, I can laugh at myself...




Oh I get it now...If you were a girl you'd be a lesbian ...cause you love women so much.......

(slow kid in back...with glasses):mf_rosetinted:

[Swanny]

Amazing wand :original:

[Ross H]

Don't be. It was one of the most intelligent and resounding posts I have read on this forum in ages.

Thanks

A..



Yes indeed, Thankyou.

Peace always

[14 Chakras]

Just came across this:





We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are ~ Anaïs Nin

[rhythm]

hello my loverly

seems like

some are

beliving in

hell devils and demons....

to me

there is only energy

dark and light ..

where fear has enterd either of these

madness persues you till you

see that its come from lies and conditioning

and the truth is

nothing can or will ever hurt you ...

apart from youself buying in to

such dilliusion ....

and concepts..

[BROOK]

hello my loverly

seems like

some are

beliving in

hell devils and demons....

to me

there is only energy

dark and light ..

where fear has enterd either of these

madness persues you till you

see that its come from lies and conditioning

and the truth is

nothing can or will ever hurt you ...

apart from youself buying in to

such dilliusion ....

and concepts..

Had you actually read this thread..you would know that the picture was given no power..no fear here! Who do you believe has "bought into" such?

Not I....

Only indignation from being presented such darkness. :nono:



the truth is nothing can or will ever hurt you ...

Tell that to the the families and the children who are missing every year...

[Initiate]

This kind of magic is the kind that uses our own conciousness. A lot like the Aboriginal concept of "Pointing the Bone". If we don't buy into it then it can't hurt us. It was purely artistic and that is that. It is the people that dwell in the dark that kidnap kids for rituals etc. not the art itself. Art is in the eye of the beholder and subjective.

[Lionhawk]

So I guess that makes me a liar. Let me put it another way. I am very glad that those who have their blinders on never see such things or experience such things. They are often to horrific for the soul to comprehend. Let alone deal with something of that nature after wards. I find it insulting and delusional that people use their "beliefs" to describe what they haven't experienced onto others with their version of love and light. On the other hand, like I said I am glad you have your blinders on because to experience such things is terrifying to any would be experiencer. I was raised in a haunted house in Connecticut that was demonically influenced. We moved there when I was four years old. Now tell me that I imagined that and my whole family also imagined that. Tell me about how your version of love and light based in belief instead of knowledge and experience explains demons coming up from the floor and trying to rape a woman who lived there. Explain to me how my room would turn so damn cold in minutes with a wood burning stove going full blast right next to it with the door opened. Explain to me how objects would move on their own in the house and on the property. Do that for 14 years and then have someone come up to you and give you their version of how these things are only a delusional perception. I'm telling ya. Feel very blessed that you don't have any experience in these matters. For me it was my motivation to find God and to learn what the real version of what love and light is all about. His version. Not something read out of a book. Also to free the souls that were trapped there by these demonic influences. That's real light and love in ACTION! They were kids for God sake. Some of them were raped and all of them murdered and ended up trapped. It amazes me that there are people here in this kind of forum that aren't even aware that these things actually occur. Again feel very blessed and at the same time please don't make me out to be the idiot here. My blinders are off. I know what happened and I could write a book just on that, let alone all this other stuff that I've witnessed out here. I'm sorry folks but that version doesn't cut it in this world. It's superficial. To say something like that and then sign off on it with light and love is just ___________! I'm just saying a spade is a spade. How would you feel if someone implied that your life was a lie? The only resort I have is to just consider the source and understand that there is a serious awareness issue there. That is the only compassionate thing I can do.

[Initiate]

Lionhawk, There is a very real difference between this artwork and your real world experiences. I am not reading these perceptions out of a book. They are comming from within. So perhaps my perceptions are a lie? No one every said your real world perceptions were a lie. As you say, a spade is a spade. Thankyou for sharing.

[waitinginthewings]

Lionhawk, There is a very real difference between this artwork and your real world experiences. I am not reading these perceptions out of a book. They are comming from within. So perhaps my perceptions are a lie? No one every said your real world perceptions were a lie. As you say, a spade is a spade. Thankyou for sharing.

Much of what is being passed off today as art, is simply the work of tormented souls......hence the emanations of dark depressing overtones that does nothing to inspire or depict beauty. Yes, this new category of art does appeal to a certain type of personality, but it is not the majority. For the rest of us, we prefer to shield ourselves from such images. Just as its important what food we put into our bodies, likewise it is just as important what we feed our mind.

But to each their own.

[BROOK]

This kind of magic is the kind that uses our own conciousness. A lot like the Aboriginal concept of "Pointing the Bone". If we don't buy into it then it can't hurt us. It was purely artistic and that is that. It is the people that dwell in the dark that kidnap kids for rituals etc. not the art itself. Art is in the eye of the beholder and subjective.

I cannot speak for anybody but myself...but the above comment about missing children...has nothing to do with art...it has to do with the statement in it's full meaning...

some are

beliving in

hell devils and demons....

to me

there is only energy

dark and light ..

where fear has enterd either of these

madness persues you till you

see that its come from lies and conditioning

and the truth is

nothing can or will ever hurt you ...

apart from youself buying in to

such dilliusion ....

This is a blanket statement....and is taken in full context. Buying into delusion?.....it is not a delusion what is happening ...these children are missing...there are no lies and conditioning to that about the darkness of it. It exists..and it is dark..and it is not created by fear and delusion.

[FIIISH]

Brook,

One thing I am curious about.

If references to the occult bother you, why do you have a
crystal ball as your avatar?

[BROOK]

Brook,

One thing I am curious about.

If references to the occult bother you, why do you have a
crystal ball as your avatar?

Now that is interesting isn't it? :naughty:
Maybe I was burned at the stake in a past life :shocked:

[waitinginthewings]

Now that is interesting isn't it? :naughty:
Maybe I was burned at the stake in a past life :shocked:

A crystal ball was used in the past for telling the future, not sure if its currently being used.

My avatar is a red rose and a cocktail glass......this does not mean that i am an alcholic or that I even drink any acholol. Its just a pretty pic, thats all.

Brooks avatar is also pretty & eye catching. Besides I believe the occult concerns being expressed here are not at all about divining, but rather a darker purpose.

[BROOK]

A crystal ball was used in the past for telling the future, not sure if its currently being used.

My avatar is a red rose and a cocktail glass......this does not mean that i am an alcholic or that I even drink any acholol. Its just a pretty pic, thats all.

Brooks avatar is also pretty & eye catching. Besides I believe the occult concerns being expressed here are not at all about divining, but rather a darker purpose.

:naughty:

[Lionhawk]

I wasn't mixing apples and oranges here Initiate. So relax. I was commenting on that other posting that Brook brought up. You know the delusional one where these things don't exist. But if you think for a minute and maybe understand that what you picked up intuitively wasn't meant for you so you didn't see anything to it. It didn't have your name on it so your intuition wouldn't pick up on the energy signatures applied to it. That would apply across the board as others wouldn't pick up on those signatures either. If it had been addressed to you, you would have known it immediately. Hope that explains it better as to how these things work. It is about energy and how that energy is being directed whether for good or bad. Also whether you have the ability to read such energies. In which case you found it harmless, but for others that it was directed to, was another story. Hope that clears that up. In no way was I challenging you on your own intuition and if something like this came up between you and I, I am sure we would handle this between us in a much better fashion that was actually constructive. Does that make better sense now?

My main reference was what was said before you posted. And I still stand where I stand with that!

Putting another log on the fire.........This is getting very tiresome.
I also take responsibility for creating this confusion.

Peace!

[Zeddo]

My avatar is a red rose and a cocktail glass......this does not mean that i am an alcholic or that I even drink any acholol. Its just a pretty pic, thats all.

.

darn, and here I thought you were a blood drinking Rossicrucionist !!!:wall::wall::wall:

[waitinginthewings]

darn, and here I thought you were a blood drinking Rossicrucionist !!!:wall::wall::wall:

darn....my secret is out:lmao:

[14 Chakras]

If we're gonna ban pictures from the forum, I vote we ban the head bashing icon in the 'smileys'... ouch... bashing head against wall not good for sane people to do...

:lol3: Laughing Buddha styles better.

[Ross H]

So I guess that makes me a liar.



You can guess that if you wish, but I do-not. I understand your experiences and your views and, I understand all perspectives and thoughtforms from others here.

Caring, loving, respecting, and understanding others is paramount in aiding towards our human condition. (my humble opinion) We are all bombarded with variables, from all kinds of energy. It can be difficult to navigate at times but a willingness to understand another is an important key. This does not mean that their perspective needs to resonates with our own perspective. Simply to understand that all can be created...

Read this somewhere:

Never judge a man until you have worn his moccosins for two weeks.


Peace always:original:

[Unified Serenity]

I think people put too much into the word "magick". I have experience in many areas of energetics and have known many very adept at the arcane arts. The movie "The serpent and the rainbow" is pretty good about explaining the power of some to affect others who do not believe. It is based on one man's account of his experiences when he ran afoul of a Voodoo priest.

Magick is simply intention put into action via energy. To hate someone with a focused energy sends a poisonous barb their way, and if they are not shielded can cause many problems. There are entities who look for open doors and opportunities to harass and possess (not the usual outcome) a soul for the energetic benefits that entity is seeking. People are especially vulnerable when they feel the safest like behind a computer screen or watching tv and hypnotized by it's effects on their brains. They love to feel that adrenaline rush, but what else loves that rush? Or, sexual energy displayed in entertainment that opens doors. Or, rage energy people feed into while getting into a movie that also opens doors.

When someone does not like you or wishes you ill, you can often feel that intention. To then have that person purposefully seek to offend you via a very negative image for that split second there could be a crack of emotion that opens the door for a barb of ill intent. It is very much like the "evil eye" warded against by many who remember the old ways. There was a very good reason for those wards and the community looked very badly upon anyone who employed those tactics to cause harm.

Magick, energetics, prayer is all about controlling ones self and their desires. Yes, if you buy into some aspect you are vulnerable to it, but I can assure you that many a believer was made who at one time did not believe in the power of energetics for both good or ill. If you are not spiritually trained you are very much a sheep and open to whatever intentions are out there.

I find it rather interesting that so many here seem to buy into the 3d aspect of this world and are not tuned into the energy signatures which are so prevalent and negative these days. Acting like nothing can harm you if you don't buy into it or see it a certain way is not wise. It makes me think of a blind and deaf person who, since they cannot see the traffic in the street or hear it act as though they can walk wherever they want and would think anyone were a fool who said you need to be aware of the cars going down the street. "Oh, I don't see those cars going by at 40 mph / kph so I can just walk across the street." You would not do that, and yet this whole thread is replete with such examples regarding ill intent (magick, prayer,energy) behind a hideous image sent to a member whom the sender has been at odds with on various places within the forum. Intention is everything for the one behind it, and being aware of it is wise.


Unified Serenity

[Lionhawk]

So I guess that makes me a liar.

You can guess that if you wish, but I do-not. I understand your experiences and your views and, I understand all perspectives and thoughtforms from others here.

Caring, loving, respecting, and understanding others is paramount in aiding towards our human condition. (my humble opinion) We are all bombarded with variables, from all kinds of energy. It can be difficult to navigate at times but a willingness to understand another is an important key. This does not mean that their perspective needs to resonates with our own perspective. Simply to understand that all can be created...

Read this somewhere:

Never judge a man until you have worn his moccosins for two weeks.


Peace always:original:

I concur! That's why I posted what I posted. That is also why I am using compassion here as to what I stated. I'm not angry if by some chance someone thinks that. It's an awareness issue. I stated that as well. But if you have a view based on a foundation based with no experience in the matter, false assumptions are made and all I am doing here is pointing that out so that everyone can be respected instead of being victimized by those false assumptions. If the truth be known here, I wouldn't want anyone to walk in my moccasins for any length of time. I do have a set of real moccasins just in case you thought I was kidding. Now if people started walking the walk like you suggest that they should with the loving, caring, respecting, and understanding, this world would be a much better place. It's a two way street and I'm good with that. My response was because that wasn't being reflected. Now if someone wants to become more aware of the issues, and achieve some real spiritual growth from that, I'll do whatever I can. I don't know it all either, but I will be honest about that. But if you are going to disrespect my life by implying I am deslusional and that I was conditioned this way, I am not going to feel the love, caring, and respect from those kind of statements. Instead I am going to feel like someone is trying to control me and I don't do well with that. It isn't being truthful to be honest here. It kind of knocks me out of the mood if you know what I mean. When someone does that and signs it off with love and light, I have to question what kind of love and light is that. I'm a simple man. I don't ask for much if anything. If you need it, just ask, I will give it if I have it. I'm not complicated. Except my moccasins. I need those. hahahhahha I got plenty of wood here. Take all that you need.

Peace and Understanding!

Excellent Unified! I was starting to lose it here. ;)

[Ross H]

Lion, I again, fully understand your view.

I quoted your reference as I do understand you.

My post was a careful reminder to all.

Peace always:original:

[Lionhawk]

I know you're out there. It's almost like a "Matrix" thing. I think I can say for everyone here that we don't want any of you slamming a good thread down. I think we have done well considering we are forum underlings discussing several highly charged topics over here trying to instill some real originality in this forum. Unless you all prefer something else? You have the "Power". I can only hope we are respecting that.

Respectfully,

Lionhawk

[Stargazer1965]

I cannot say what is real for you is real for me...

As I have told many that I have no basis is a lot of topics written here.

But what I do know is if I believe something is real...It is

The joy...happiness...sadness or horror I feel about my reality...should not be judged by others

I told Brook the power that pic had was only what she gave it...and yet again ..I was wrong

Love you guys

[Lionhawk]

Stick around StarGazer and put a log on the fire. There are many beautiful souls here who have a lot of knowledge that we all can learn from if we do exercise what Jross spoke of. :naughty:

[BROOK]

I cannot say what is real for you is real for me...

As I have told many that I have no basis is a lot of topics written here.

But what I do know is if I believe something is real...It is

The joy...happiness...sadness or horror I feel about my reality...should not be judged by others

I told Brook the power that pic had was only what she gave it...and yet again ..I was wrong

Love you guys

It takes one hell of a man to say this!
Great strength and character :naughty:

Thank you for that :wub2:

Love you more
Brook

[Swanny]

What's hard for one man is a walk in the park for another

[mudra]

The only moments I feel alone Stargazer in when I am not in my heart .

Love Always
mudra

Mudra....My job leaves me on the mountain top a lot...I know things others don't

They come to the peak ask me for my wisdom and walk away content with the pearls I handed them

but

I never really felt kinship because everyone just walked back down my mountain and I sat there ...ALONE

Come down sometimes Mudra.....I could use a friend....:original:

Peace

[Dantheman62]

Avalon Fish Shop

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3058/2990189313_d615624788.jpg

[BROOK]

:lmao: :roll1::roll1::lmao:

too funny Dantheman !
Great find :naughty:

[Tango]

Please have it put on the FRONT PAGE..Cheap FISH ain't good.

Good FISH ain't Cheap.....

" FULL SIZE " picture please...

Dan Your my Hero man..................I missed you. Don't ever leave.


Tango



" For a long while I thought I was in this battle by my self...."

P.S. Thank you BushyCat... what a wish...

Avalon Fish Shop

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3058/2990189313_d615624788.jpg

[happyhollergal]

http://engrishfunny.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/engrish-funny-pants-fish.jpg

Maybe some of the fisher fellas saw this sign??? Interpretation is in the eye of the beholder, right? :lol3:

[mudra]

LionHawk thank you for taking the time to answer me. This is how I see it from my own experience.
We are responsible for our own Universe . The way we adress our universe is what shapes it . From victimhood we can raise to full responsability . As we do raise in responsability each individual universe changes and the common Universe itself that we co-create changes . Our attitudes are the reflection of the responsability we take .
The I am is your soul foundation ..Your unlimited self that encompasses all there is in Oneness.
From victimhood to total responsability there are many echelons through which you will see things and take actions .As you move along the things that you once saw will look entirely different to you and the actions you will take will be different too. Each one of us is somewhere on this ladder of consciousness. To grow in consciousness we have to tackle with the mind ... understand that our thought patterns ...our attitudes create an effect around us .When the matters of the mind are understood and brought to a stand still we are left as pure souls and we are aware of our selfless presence in the NOW .
We know we are actors here endorsing a role and at the same time we know and are aware we are not limited or fixed by these . We then experience our infinity .
Love is an inherent quality of the soul for as it grows in consciousness it experiences more and more being at One with all there is ..with the whole of creation .
The ultimate truth is the soul itself and Love is it's foundation .
This is where the ultimate peace lays too.

Love Always
mudra


I didn't create this Universe.

I can see how you may feel about love being the ultimate truth of who we really are. But what I find is that we are much more than that. What I found was that love is a higher aspect of ourselves as similar to the blood running through our veins. I also found that love comes in several different rays. To say it as the ultimate truth is only your perception of it from your reality and doesn't apply to everyone. If what your reality is being dictated as the ultimate truth then why are we surrounded with all this darkness and abuses of the free will gift?

Peace

[mudra]

I guess as this thread on and we are all here carrying talking and growing in wiseness and wisdom this is what will happen as we reach oneness ....

With Love Always
mudra

What's Your Name, Again?
Two elderly ladies had been friends for many decades. Over the years they had shared all kinds of activities and adventures. Lately, their activities had been limited to playing cards a few times a week.
One day when playing cards, one looked at the other and said, "Now don't get mad at me. I know we've been friends a long time, but I just can't think of your name. I've thought and thought, but I can't remember it. Please tell me what your name is."
Her friend glared at her. For at least three minutes she just stared and glared. Finally she said, "How soon do you need to know?"

[FIIISH]

" For a long while I thought I was in this battle by my self...."

I am sorry Tango, but the battle exists only in your mind.

You do this board a disservice with your constant attacks and unfounded accusations.

Did it occur to you how many negative vibrations you send out every time
you refer to one of our members in derogatory mannner or otherwise make someone feel unwelcome?

You were recently banned for your attacks on others. Yet, the ban was temporary and you were allowed to return. So, you were given a second chance. Apparently that was lost on you? Do not others here deserve second chances as well?

I wonder what Avalon could be like if we found things to appreciate about
ALL of our members instead of seeking to include only those that resonate
with us.

[mudra]

I wonder what Avalon could be like if we found things to appreciate about
ALL of our members instead of seeking to include only those that resonate
with us.

I think we would have stepped into wisdom FIIIsh .
I appreciate you considering it.
It would be well worth starting a thread on that topic .
Maybe that before stepping up we should all learn to bow .

It reminds me of this story:

The Best Teacher Ever
-- Author Unknown


There is a story from many years ago of a primary school teacher. Her name was Mrs. Thompson. And as she stood in front of her 5th grade class on the very first day of school, she told the children a lie. Like most teachers, she looked at her students and said that she loved them all the same.

But that was impossible because there in the front row, slumped in his seat, was a little boy named Teddy Stoddard.

Mrs. Thompson had watched Teddy the year before and noticed that he didn't play well with the other children, that his clothes were messy and that he constantly needed a bath. And, Teddy could be unpleasant.

It got to the point where Mrs. Thompson would actually take delight in marking his papers with a broad red pen, making bold X's and then putting a big "F" at the top of his papers. At the school where Mrs. Thompson taught, she was required to review each child's past records and she put Teddy's off until last.

However, when she reviewed his file, she was in for a surprise, Teddy's first grade teacher wrote, "Teddy is a bright child with a ready laugh. He does his work neatly and has good manners...he is a joy to be around."

His second grade teacher wrote, "Teddy is an excellent student, well liked by his classmates, but he is troubled because his mother has a terminal illness and life at home must be a struggle."

His third grade teacher wrote, "His mother's death has been hard on him. He tries to do his best but his father doesn't show much interest and his home life will soon affect him if some steps aren't taken."

Teddy's fourth grade teacher wrote, "Teddy is withdrawn and doesn't show much interest in school. He doesn't have many friends and sometimes sleeps in class."

By now, Mrs. Thompson realized the problem and she was ashamed of herself. She felt even worse when her students brought her Christmas presents, wrapped in beautiful paper and tied with pretty ribbons, except for Teddy's. His present which was clumsily wrapped in the heavy, brown paper that he got from a grocery bag.

Mrs. Thompson took pains to open it in the middle of the other presents. Some of the children started to laugh when she found a rhinestone bracelet with some of the stones missing, and a bottle that was one quarter full of perfume. But she stifled the children's laughter when she exclaimed how pretty the bracelet was, putting it on, and dabbing some of the perfume on her wrist. Teddy Stoddard stayed after school that day just long enough to say, "Mrs. Thompson, today you smelled just like my mom used to."

After the children left she cried for at least an hour. On that very day, she quit teaching reading, and writing, and arithmetic. Instead she began to teach children.

Mrs. Thompson paid particular attention to Teddy. As she worked with him, his mind seemed to come alive. The more she encouraged him, the faster he responded. By the end of the year, Teddy had become one of the smartest children in the class and, despite her lie that she would love all the children the same, Teddy became one of her "teacher's pets."

A year later, she found a note under her door, from Teddy, telling her that she was still the best teacher he ever had in his whole life.

Six years went by before she got another note from Teddy. He then wrote that he had finished high school, third in his class, and she was still the best teacher he ever had in his whole life.

Four years after that, she got another letter, saying that while things had been tough at times, he'd stayed in school, had stuck with it, and would soon graduate from college with the highest of honors. He assured Mrs. Thompson that she was still the best and favorite teacher he ever had in his whole life.

Then four more years passed and yet another letter came. This time he explained that after he got his bachelor's degree, he decided to go a little further. The letter explained that she was still the best and favorite teacher he ever had. But now his name was a little longer - the letter was signed, Theodore F. Stoddard, MD.

The story doesn't end there. You see, there was yet another letter that spring. Teddy said he'd met this girl and was going to be married. He explained that his father had died a couple of years ago and he was wondering if Mrs. Thompson might agree to sit in the place at the wedding that was usually reserved for the mother of the groom. Of course Mrs. Thompson did.

And guess what? She wore that bracelet, the one with several rhinestones missing. And she made sure she was wearing the perfume that Teddy remembered his mother wearing on their last Christmas together. They hugged each other, and Dr. Stoddard whispered in Mrs. Thompson's ear, "Thank you Mrs. Thompson for believing in me. Thank you so much for making me feel important and showing me that I could make a difference."

Mrs. Thompson, with tears in her eyes, whispered back. She said, "Teddy, you have it all wrong. You were the one who taught me that I could make a difference. I didn't know how to teach until I met you."



Love Always
mudra

[Tango]

FIIISH ...

Well, Mudra, did it to me, again... Cooled my jets. I deleted what I posted...

I stand down.... And corrected... You mellow me girl...

Thank you, Mudra, That story pulled at My heart...

Trooly,


Tango



I am sorry Tango, but the battle exists only in your mind.

You do this board a disservice with your constant attacks and unfounded accusations.

Did it occur to you how many negative vibrations you send out every time
you refer to one of our members in derogatory mannner or otherwise make someone feel unwelcome?

You were recently banned for your attacks on others. Yet, the ban was temporary and you were allowed to return. So, you were given a second chance. Apparently that was lost on you? Do not others here deserve second chances as well?

I wonder what Avalon could be like if we found things to appreciate about
ALL of our members instead of seeking to include only those that resonate
with us.

[BROOK]

post was edited

Seriously...what is wrong with this picture? Is it just me?
FIIISH confronted me about my avatar...I took it with a grain of salt.
It does not require a "cause......" that sounds like a threat. Sorry Tango, but Why? Why go in that direction?
If you have an issue...voice it..but don't leave the imagination to wander as I know that is what is going on here.

Just say what it is you need to say...we all want to hear it...just say it.
If you cannot say it...let it go.

[Stargazer1965]

I am sorry Tango, but the battle exists only in your mind.

You do this board a disservice with your constant attacks and unfounded accusations.

Did it occur to you how many negative vibrations you send out every time
you refer to one of our members in derogatory mannner or otherwise make someone feel unwelcome?

You were recently banned for your attacks on others. Yet, the ban was temporary and you were allowed to return. So, you were given a second chance. Apparently that was lost on you? Do not others here deserve second chances as well?

I wonder what Avalon could be like if we found things to appreciate about
ALL of our members instead of seeking to include only those that resonate
with us.

Fiish...you may perceive this as an "attack"...it absolutely is not.

You have issues with Tango...let them go...You'll see things "right" themselves as you contribute and become part of this community.

That's what it is...A small group huddled around a campfire exchanging higher ideas.

You took offense at Tango...and Tango could have been more welcoming...

Is that about it??

Let it go...it hurts you more than anything you can write or anyone you can ban

Peace

[Karen]

Yes, everyone, please let it go ...
Brook, Tango edited his post.
Take it off the forum if you want to continue.

I was about ready to invite a couple of people into the back room for a little chat ...
but the edit was made before I could do that.

[BROOK]

Yes, everyone, please let it go ...
Brook, Tango edited his post.
Take it off the forum if you want to continue.

I was about ready to invite a couple of people into the back room for a little chat ...
but the edit was made before I could do that.


Yes I see it was edited....but it was still there...and I agree Karen..it needs to be let go or take it off the forum :thumb_yello:

[Lionhawk]

Well Mudra, I think I see where I am getting confused. Terms. What I call reality or a reality you call a Universe. A misunderstanding.

As offered by Wikipedia, the following;

Reality, in everyday usage, means "the state of things as they actually exist."[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality#cite_note-0) Literally, the term denotes what is real; in its widest sense, this includes everything that is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being), whether or not it is observable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observation) or comprehensible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehension). Reality in this sense includes being (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being) and sometimes is considered to include nothingness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing), as well. By contrast, the term existence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence) is often restricted solely to being (compare with nature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature)).


The Universe comprises everything that physically (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physically) exists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exists), the entirety of space (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space) and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time), all forms of matter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter) and energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy), and the physical laws (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_law) and constants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_constant) that govern them. However, the term Universe may be used in slightly different contextual senses, denoting such concepts as the cosmos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos), the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_%28philosophy%29), or Nature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature).

So to me a Universe is already in existence and my reality is my perception of that Universe depending on my awareness field. That is how I define it. I don't think I am creating a Universe simply because I am a soul residing in this one for the purposes of soul growth. If I was to be creating a Universe, I wouldn't be here. So if I take the word "reality" and swap it with the word "universe," then what you are conveying makes better sense to me. Takes the confusion out of it.

And not to be argumentative here, but I don't think we have to be victims to claim full responsibility for ourselves. I will agree however that we should claim responsibility for all aspects of whatever hood aspects that we might endeavor in. You either claim responsibility or you don't. I don't think it is something you raise as that is an analog term. To be or not to be isn't a question full of gray. To raise in that context creates gray. It only creates more confusion. This doesn't have to be complicated. It isn't complicated but we make it sound more complicated by using terms that only make us sound sophisticated. The truth is what it is and that is something we can complicate by confusing the terminology to sound sophisticated. Now if that doesn't confuse the hell out of everyone. ahhaha

Also to try and manipulate your own mind to transcend the mind is the battle in your own mind. It's called the rational mind. It is the programming we were taught. But that is not to say we can't reside and operate in the mind of our hearts. The rational mind doesn't reside there. So if you want to connect to oneness that is where you will connect. If you are trying to raise into oneness, then you are using your mind that of your brain to transcend that into a virtual place that your mind has made up. Such as a universe it created. If you reside in your heart you will find that the Universe is already provided for you and you don't have to create another one. That is the dis connect. If you are trying to "raise" into oneness, that tells me that you are using the mind above your shoulders instead of the one in your heart. You don't have to raise into anything in your heart. It is already. "To be or not to be."

This reminds me of a story. I had a friend living in Arizona. His name was Larry. A real gentleman. Top class type. He also had a website and that was how I met him. He had worked for several companies and made them tons of money in the Sales Industry. As it turns out he was also an information junkie with the medical and metaphysical subjects. He posted a lot of that stuff on his website. Anyways, he married a woman from Europe who was a chocolateer, nutritional expert, amongst other things, who was also an information type junkie. When they first met, the sparks just flew since they had a lot in common. They appeared like such a dynamic loving couple doing all these things that integrated business and the spiritual. They were always taking booster courses on the spiritual and business and became so mentally occupied that their hearts short circuited. Well, one day I get this call. Not a good one. Larry was basically in tears. Now if you can imagine an older gentleman in tears is not something anyone would want to see. Come to find out their marriage wasn't what it appeared to be either. She had basically thought that Larry was loaded since he made all this money for other companies and she thought if she married him that she could have Larry put her in her own Chocolate candy business. She basically used him because of her own insecurities. She had a lot of heart blockages from her past and even though they tried to work on them, they both got lost with the battle in their minds, never realizing that all they had to do was find their heart's mind. Always trying to rise up and succeed in whatever they were doing. Always failing. And what he described as a marriage was something totally opposite as to what I would call normal in any sense of the word. They never once even went to bed in all of their marriage. She basically used him for security and citizenship. To this day he refuses to look into his heart despite every course, every book, and every heart ache he endures. Always wanting to rise into oneness in his own mind and never finding what he has been seeking because he has trapped himself and thinking he could rationalize it with the rational mind. Sad story. This story is not uncommon as it is a story based in duality and not in oneness. To this day they both sound like tape recorders always using second hand stuff to explain their "rational reasoning." Sounds almost something like you'd watch on the Twilight Zone. Enough of my ramblings. Just thought it would be a good example as to what happens with this kind of thing.

Okay, thanks Mudra for your response as I did make some progress there.

Respectfully

[FIIISH]

Fiish...you may perceive this as an "attack"...it absolutely is not.

You took offense at Tango...and Tango could have been more welcoming...

Is that about it??

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=187068&postcount=48

Tango calls folks that infiltrate the forum to spread negativity and fear "Fishes"

So I think we need to step up or the "FISHES" win the forum and folks move on..

Tango has been discourteous to me since the day I arrived on the forum.

Then, he begins making repeated negative references to "fish", which you-
and others have now picked up on.

How would you feel if someone took a variation of your screen name, assigned an negative connotation to it, made repeated references to it, and succeeded in getting others to do the same?

I would very much like to bury this hatchet. And given the title
of the thread, I think this is the proper place to do it.

Tango,

You and I got off on the wrong foot from day one.

This forum is plenty big enough for both of us.

I can assure you that I am a regular person just like anyone else
here-trying to relate and learn if at all possible. I pose no threat to you
or anyone else. Please, just let me be and I will do the same.

Sincerely,
FIIISH

[mudra]

Well Mudra, I think I see where I am getting confused. Terms. What I call reality or a reality you call a Universe. A misunderstanding.

Thank you LionHawk for taking the time to clarify your views.
We can use the term reality if that is a more accurate one for you .
I completely agree with you when you say that mind should 'nt be manipulated to transcend it . One can indeed run in circles by being in one's mind and it will get you nowhere as a soul .
That it is not through a mental process that you reach your foundation as a soul is perfectly clear to me .
You already are a soul and that is all you are so yes to keep it simple it is as you say either " to be or not to be ".
The image of a ladder to raise into oneness is only an image and should'nt be taken literally .
We as souls are in the center of our own reality . The Heart of our reality is us a souls .
You use the term rational mind for it if I understand you well . That is fine too.
Finding that center or bring it to your awareness.. finding your true heart .. your foundation as a soul and then living by it is I believe the soul 's journey .
The journey to me is one of Love for when you realize you are at the center of your own reality then you can take responsability for all that is that comes to you .
The following poem is very close to what I am trying to convey .
I would only have replaced the words " remember " by know because I believe that saying that we have a soul is misleading . We are souls always .

Soul
(by Eric Galla)

Close your eyes,
To see with your heart,
Close your ears,
To hear with your heart,
Forget your mind,
And think with your heart.

For your heart will see,
When your eyes fail,
And your heart will hear,
When the voices are confused,
Your heart has the answers,
When your mind falls short.

Remember your heart,
For it is the key to love,
Remember all love,
For love is the key to your soul,
Remember your soul,
For it is your Foundation.

Respect to You LionHawk

mudra

[mudra]

:wall: I cannot believe you would ask that...I left a warning not to do it again..that should have been sufficient :wall:
I suppose you would have me believe it came from a warm fuzzy loving spot in his heart?

:nono:

Brook you left him a warning and he removed the picture from your profile .I believe this is a sign of respect.
I asked you if you attempted to clear the matter with him as I believe you could have reached a greater understanding of the man that is behind that picture.
I am not here to defend Pab but because he has been a friend of mine for so long I know there was no malicious intention behind him sending it to you .
I have received many pictures of Pablo that as Carol said have been inspiring and beautifull as so did others on this forum .
Your avatar suggest esoterics ..Maybe this is why he did send it to you .
This is only speculation for only him knows exactly why he would send it to you .
I know that what it means to him is not related to anything evil or meant to destroy.
And now he left the forum in respect for the people he disturbed .
He was maybe not an easy person to understand and yet I always have given him my hand for I know his heart and that it stands at the right place .
There was a time where people like him were burned on stakes by lack of dialogue and by fear of the unknown.
You took the stand that was right for you in your reality I am not questioning this .
And I believe that if he would have wanted to clear the matter with you he could have done that too.
Maybe both of you missed an opportunity for greater understanding or maybe the right time for this has'nt come yet .

Love Always
mudra

[Stargazer1965]

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=187068&postcount=48



Tango has been discourteous to me since the day I arrived on the forum.

Then, he begins making repeated negative references to "fish", which you-
and others have now picked up on.

How would you feel if someone took a variation of your screen name, assigned an negative connotation to it, made repeated references to it, and succeeded in getting others to do the same?

I would very much like to bury this hatchet. And given the title
of the thread, I think this is the proper place to do it.

Tango,

You and I got off on the wrong foot from day one.

This forum is plenty big enough for both of us.

I can assure you that I am a regular person just like anyone else
here-trying to relate and learn if at all possible. I pose no threat to you
or anyone else. Please, just let me be and I will do the same.

Sincerely,
FIIISH

Fiish I got this off a military slang site..

FISH Fighting In Someone's House

http://army.ca/words/?function=showall&showlett=F

I don't think it started nor will it end with you

I never thought of the term being attached to your avatar....I hope you don't either

Peace

[rhythm]

YouTube- AudioSurf - They Are Coming To Take Me Away
not personal Honest :naughty:

[Lionhawk]

Brook you left him a warning and he removed the picture from your profile .I believe this is a sign of respect.
I asked you if you attempted to clear the matter with him as I believe you could have reached a greater understanding of the man that is behind that picture.
I am not here to defend Pab but because he has been a friend of mine for so long I know there was no malicious intention behind him sending it to you .
I have received many pictures of Pablo that as Carol said have been inspiring and beautifull as so did others on this forum .
Your avatar suggest esoterics ..Maybe this is why he did send it to you .
This is only speculation for only him knows exactly why he would send it to you .
I know that what it means to him is not related to anything evil or meant to destroy.
And now he left the forum in respect for the people he disturbed .
He was maybe not an easy person to understand and yet I always have given him my hand for I know his heart and that it stands at the right place .
There was a time where people like him were burned on stakes by lack of dialogue and by fear of the unknown.
You took the stand that was right for you in your reality I am not questioning this .
And I believe that if he would have wanted to clear the matter with you he could have done that too.
Maybe both of you missed an opportunity for greater understanding or maybe the right time for this has'nt come yet .

Love Always
mudra

Oh, come on Mudra. He hasn't left the forum. That's fine with me. He just isn't posting. You also forgot I had two horses in this race. Two different pictures were addressed to me. Now I had let all this go as it were, for whatever reasons. I didn't make a big case out of it. But I can't sit here and swallow your justifications on this topic. I'm sorry but it doesn't add up. I know what I received. Funny thing is I also know why it was sent. I'm not saying this Pab is a bad fellow. I don't even know him. But at the same time I got the message. I just have a different way of dealing with these kind of things. Hopefully you are spiritual enough to understand what I am saying here. I'm sure it won't happen again. Besides, there is a feature on this forum called the "Ignore list." I find it works very well especially when you don't want to see certain people who you might think as delusional hypocrites who only stir up stuff when they come up short in emotional maturity or just a plain lack of awareness. Sure would probably promote more peace around here if everyone used that feature.

Also for the record, whatever happened here is now water under the bridge. Everyone handled it well and it didn't get out of hand. Hopefully some of us have learned how words and pictures can create harm for someone and how that relates to energy being applied for malevolent or benevolent purposes. I thank Pab for supplying the lesson. It sure created a lot of eye openers around here. So why don't we just move on?

Respectfully..............

[Luminari]

BROOK, do you remember when you asked P4BLO if he had a spell on him because he was quiet for so long before he exploded onto the greater forum?
I believe this whole topic started then. I also saw you play "Black Magic" by SLAYER in the Lounge soon after before editing it. So its seems strange that you would object to him so strongly on this stupid Fish thread (nothing personal stargazer) over demonic issues, which Lionhawk may have possibly added a log or two to. I did not see the picture that everyone is talking about. Real people are being hurt by this..

Even though I have seen Slayer 3X,

My view is that any music or picture with a highly negative subject matter is not appropriate anywhere on this site.

[Stargazer1965]

BROOK, do you remember when you asked P4BLO if he had a spell on him because he was quiet for so long before he exploded onto the greater forum?
I believe this whole topic started then. I also saw you play "Black Magic" by SLAYER in the Lounge soon after before editing it. So its seems strange that you would object to him so strongly on this stupid Fish thread (nothing personal stargazer) over demonic issues, which Lionhawk may have possibly added a log or two to. I did not see the picture that everyone is talking about. Real people are being hurt by this..

Even though I have seen Slayer 3X,

My view is that any music or picture with a highly negative subject matter is not appropriate anywhere on this site.
Stupid!!!

Well I never...

LH where's that IGNORE button......:lmao:

There has been some soul searching here and we seem to break up into 3 different camps

The Spiritualists
The Warriors
And the Brainiacs....smart enough to stay out of it or the scientists

We have to agree to disagree
We have to play nice
Don't be hypocrites
Respect others
and don't get your feelings hurt....and please if they do get hurt...

Ask the other person for an explanation

I never learned anything by hurling pooh over a wall and not yelling over...HEY WHY ARE YOU FLINGING POOH OVER MY WALL...

[Malletzky]

There has been some soul searching here and we seem to break up into 3 different camps

The Spiritualists
The Warriors
And the Brainiacs....smart enough to stay out of it or the scientists




...restrictions...I however don't claim to be...nor I feel like any of the above listed...

respectful
malletzky

[rhythm]

Eny chance of stopping all this :nono:and please dont put me in eny of those BOXES either :nono:

im just doin me best to

be kind and lovin

and i just like to say

yes your emotions and feelings can be hurt ...


this thread has

proved that ..

but our essence ... soul ... will never be touched .. hurt :nono:

you know i love yers all :wub2:

and your all just another me :wink2:

and i take responsibility for that also

so crack on with it... i learn from everything :thumb_yello:

and i have ask'ed Ashtar to come take me away :roll1::roll1::roll1:

love n kindness rhythmmm:wub2:xxxxHA ha ha !!!!

[BROOK]

Brook you left him a warning and he removed the picture from your profile .I believe this is a sign of respect.
I asked you if you attempted to clear the matter with him as I believe you could have reached a greater understanding of the man that is behind that picture.
I am not here to defend Pab but because he has been a friend of mine for so long I know there was no malicious intention behind him sending it to you .
I have received many pictures of Pablo that as Carol said have been inspiring and beautifull as so did others on this forum .
Your avatar suggest esoterics ..Maybe this is why he did send it to you .
This is only speculation for only him knows exactly why he would send it to you .
I know that what it means to him is not related to anything evil or meant to destroy.
And now he left the forum in respect for the people he disturbed .
He was maybe not an easy person to understand and yet I always have given him my hand for I know his heart and that it stands at the right place .
There was a time where people like him were burned on stakes by lack of dialogue and by fear of the unknown.
You took the stand that was right for you in your reality I am not questioning this .
And I believe that if he would have wanted to clear the matter with you he could have done that too.
Maybe both of you missed an opportunity for greater understanding or maybe the right time for this has'nt come yet .

Love Always
mudra
All I'm going to say about this is..he did not remove it...I did...I deleted it...not him...there was no show of respect.

[BROOK]

BROOK, do you remember when you asked P4BLO if he had a spell on him because he was quiet for so long before he exploded onto the greater forum?
I believe this whole topic started then. I also saw you play "Black Magic" by SLAYER in the Lounge soon after before editing it. So its seems strange that you would object to him so strongly on this stupid Fish thread (nothing personal stargazer) over demonic issues, which Lionhawk may have possibly added a log or two to. I did not see the picture that everyone is talking about. Real people are being hurt by this..

Even though I have seen Slayer 3X,

My view is that any music or picture with a highly negative subject matter is not appropriate anywhere on this site.


All you speak of was because of the picture, and other events that transpired before I did write that.

[Stargazer1965]

...restrictions...I however don't claim to be...nor I feel like any of the above listed...

respectful
malletzky

Oh the gods.....I opened another can of worms...


Wait.....

I forgot several

and I'm not name tagging anyone

Let's go with.....

The Warriors
The Spiritualists
The Brainiacs

and

MISCELLANEOUS

See there...tagged yeah.....you're IT (or ISness)

Love

[burgundia]

I am not a moderator..so.. I can't close this thread...:lmfao: but at least can i have the last say here?:lmfao:

[Malletzky]

So be it(is)...:thumb_yello:

Oh the gods.....I opened another can of worms...


Wait.....

I forgot several

and I'm not name tagging anyone

Let's go with.....

The Warriors
The Spiritualists
The Brainiacs

and

MISCELLANEOUS

See there...tagged yeah.....you're IT (or ISness)

Love

[BROOK]

I would like to add something here.

Don't you all think it is time to stop trying to show each other how spriitually aware you all are, and start looking for some solutions to what is about to come?

The time that is getting wasted is presious..I know a lot about timing..and what we need to do to prepare for the coming events....and are we all going to be ready? Some yes...some no.

It is what the title and the author of this thread was trying to impress...If I may say. And such things should be getting rehashed...not the trivial...is this your reality, and this is my reality...who cares what your reality is. Give of yourself, and show what your made of.

Have you all prepared for the coming events? do you feel ready to face what is about to evolve? By some of the posts, I would say there are many still searching for the answer. And many here do have the answer....how about sharing what you do know, and stop trying to show just how enlightened you are, and give of yourself those things that will help others.

With greatest respect and Love
Brook
:wub2:

[Initiate]

BROOK, do you remember when you asked P4BLO if he had a spell on him because he was quiet for so long before he exploded onto the greater forum?
I believe this whole topic started then. I also saw you play "Black Magic" by SLAYER in the Lounge soon after before editing it. So its seems strange that you would object to him so strongly on this stupid Fish thread (nothing personal stargazer) over demonic issues, which Lionhawk may have possibly added a log or two to. I did not see the picture that everyone is talking about. Real people are being hurt by this..

Even though I have seen Slayer 3X,

My view is that any music or picture with a highly negative subject matter is not appropriate anywhere on this site.

Correct me if I am wrong but, one of the things that attracted me to Camelot and then Avalon was the impartial presentation of the truth. Without predudice information was presented in enough light for us to descern the truth. Limiting the truth by individuals deciding what is right or wrong or positive or negative is really limiting our reality to anothers reality.

Does this not take us back to Adam and Eve? Eve decided her truth was greater than God's and Adam bought it hook line and sinker. Has humanity learnt this leason yet? what does this thread tell you?

Let the truth speak for itself. Sure, we can present our opinions on a subject and our reasons. But to block it out merely limits ones perception of our world. This is what got us here to start with. There was a reason why this thread stretched out the way it did and much light has been shed.

How can the topic of Demons and Dark Magic be of any use to a forum like this? It is helpful to know what exists so that if in the event we find ourselves facing these things we can learn how to transmute true negative energies into positive energies or we can learn about people that can.

The truth must be absolute to be the truth.

With Respect and Love

Initiate

[Moxie]

People are frequently asked to "share" their views, however, what happens is that others take that as license to say whether they agree or disagree, add & substract, label as positive or negative, give thumbs up or down, turning things into a debate rather than a sharing (as Brook said, it's like trying to show how spiritually aware you are).

A sharing is not an invitation for critique. Maybe one should ask first if they would like to critique or maybe the poster would state whether they invite debate.

If we are using shielding and discernment, handle our own stuff instead of making it public. It troubles me for others to make a public display of pointing out the boogie-man. Moderators can be of assistance w/consultations and then there are ways to communicate to someone behind the scenes. And we all have triggers and feelings that can be hurt, me too.
ps:
Stargate? Thanks for the military term page, Tango being military (I'm a former military brat & didn't know this.

And, man! I am so tired of this website's log-in timing out so quickly, so often it is that I have to log on again and again< what is with that? ok, I'm taking my own advice and asking a moderator.

[Lionhawk]

Well, I guess if you can't share what you know because it is a violation of a being a public display of what you know and have experienced, then I guess I am at the wrong place. If the boogieman shows up at your door or whatever else, please do not call me, because I won't answer the phone. Do it like a lot of us did and at the price we paid. Good luck and have a nice day.

Lionhawk puts the fire out.

[Malletzky]

Lionhawk puts the fire out.

And Malletzky turns the light out.

[GaiaLove]

so often it is that I have to log on again and again< what is with that? ok, I'm taking my own advice and asking a moderator.

At the login page try checking the box next to Remember Me before clicking login
:thumb_yello:


* Gaialove buries the extinguished fire pit with flower petals *

[mudra]

Oh, come on Mudra. He hasn't left the forum. So why don't we just move on?

Respectfully..............

Sadly enough Pablo did leave the forum LionHawk .


Respect to You too
mudra

[Luminari]

Stupid!!!

Well I never...

LH where's that IGNORE button......:lmao:

There has been some soul searching here and we seem to break up into 3 different camps

The Spiritualists
The Warriors
And the Brainiacs....smart enough to stay out of it or the scientists

We have to agree to disagree
We have to play nice
Don't be hypocrites
Respect others
and don't get your feelings hurt....and please if they do get hurt...

Ask the other person for an explanation

I never learned anything by hurling pooh over a wall and not yelling over...HEY WHY ARE YOU FLINGING POOH OVER MY WALL...

I couldn't turn a blind eye to the hypocrisy on this thread any longer I'm sorry, It's about being responsible. I see you missed the whole substance of my post and its point. I'm not at all surprised.

[Stargazer1965]

I couldn't turn a blind eye to the hypocrisy on this thread any longer I'm sorry, It's about being responsible. I see you missed the whole substance of my post and its point. I'm not at all surprised.

Lumi...I got it....I WAS JUST JOKING you.....

And you are right.....Peace Brother:original:

[Lionhawk]

So much for forum time shares. I can see that since I don't have enough time vested in this forum, that I have rocked this rocking boat a little to far. The old timers can't handle that. I am having a wood sale or a wood giveaway. The wood isn't that old either. Time to move on myself. Now go and have a celebration as I told you I got the message. Christ Michael was right! Good luck with all of your dramas. This is Lionhawk signing off.

Cheers!

[Luminari]

So much for forum time shares. I can see that since I don't have enough time vested in this forum, that I have rocked this rocking boat a little to far. The old timers can't handle that. I am having a wood sale or a wood giveaway. The wood isn't that old either. Time to move on myself. Now go and have a celebration as I told you I got the message. Christ Michael was right! Good luck with all of your dramas. This is Lionhawk signing off.

Cheers!

Thanks Stargazer, I pm'ed you with a more personal analysis.

Lionhawk, Lionhawk, Lionhawk... You are a tough cookie.

Its really your way or the highway isn't it mate?
I think most of us really enjoy having you here, so stay and play, the water is warm and its a beautiful day.

You just need to stop superimposing your experiences and beliefs on everyone. All views are valid.

Do you not see that your reality (universal actuality whatever you would like to call it) is only real for you? That is not saying it is not all completely 100% real. You do not need to start an awareness crusade to convince people of the existence of negativity in its many multidimensional facets.

Accept everyone how they are NOW.

If we are not already who we are supposed to be then ALL THAT IS would not be ALL THAT IS.

I would like to continue this discussion with you when I return, hope you can be there.

Have a lovely day all of you.

[waitinginthewings]

The problem was solved 2 days ago...I believe......why are people coming back and banging the same old drum or trying to resurrect a new one.

If everyone respected the Forum Guidlines which are pretty clear, then we would not have had the need for any of this discussion.

Please can we move on now.......& let it be.

YouTube- The Beatles -Let It Be

peace to all.