bill deagle interveiw november 09

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

he was less conspiratorial then ive heard him before and he raised some interesting points about crustal slip ect.. his take on the usa ect is interesting to. he goes totally opposite to what lyndsey williams source has been saying..

i tend to agree about the pole shift stuff and am not convinced of geryls analysis.

i also feel that behind the scenes at the top levels they are all in bed together for convinience but like the mafia wont hesitate to destroy each other when it suits as they jockey for position..:nono:


http://216.18.197.204/audio/Bill_Deagle_15_November_2009.mp3

ooops forgot to link

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

:lol3: edited at 2.22 this number thing is getting out of hand i swear :original:

[TruthWillSetUFree]

As I continue to seek discernment with the whistleblowers, Bill Deagle, IMO, is not a credible source, for me.

I had also heard he is a paid CIA disinfo agent from Clif High, who again, IMO is more credible. The fact that he is changing his tune now not being so doom and gloom means they gave him a new script to follow. You cant be doom and gloom your entire history then change with one interview.

The most telling thing was when he went after Jane Burgermeister in such a heinous way just proves he isn't who he says he is.

If I want fiction, I will go watch a movie, not put Bill Deagle in my brain or my auric field.

By their fruits you shall know them.

[mntruthseeker]

I guess I didnt get all of that out of this interview

What he said made more sense to me than most other interviewer

I think Bill and Kerry were fantastic to go with their instincts and doing this interview

I have heard several others talk regarding this that I tend to feel he is not talking BS

IN fact while listening to him speak, I thought of George Green

[mu2143]

If there is not enough people waking up and getting there spirit back in to heart then there is going to be time of trouble.

Who wants to help a race of people who are distructive by nature ???
Intervention wil only be happing if we where getting back in to heart!!!

PTB are stil rolling out there aganda and now
the questions is, is everything ok ???
why are they still running the show???

We maybe delayed some of the aganda plans of the PTB,but did not stopped them. It is like snake pushing it self forward!!.

Where walking on the egde of cliff with our blinders on how come where still alive??Think about it

[mntruthseeker]

I agree with you on every point. We do need to bring this about ourself

I have noticed so many have already made up their minds on who is who or who do you believe

I find that TPTB's are very good at their game and know how to fool us all

I truly beieve we will have an intervention and many ETs are already here but it doesnt hurt to have the knowledge of what is going on around the world.

Its up to us to wake up others and to just accept that because we know it will be enough is so wrong.

Dr Deagle put a whole new light on what is happening out there and I applaud him for this.

There are so many people that still need to be made aware of this and we can't just stop planting those seeds

[franciejones]

I find this interview ridiculous to say the least. i know many will not like me to say such...but the guy can barely speak....the things he says are nonsense. He is making stuff up and his religous talk frankly makes me sick and I have no IDEA why anyone (including Camelot) even talks to this joker.

I am not saying that other interviewees that he mentioned are right...I am just saying that he is such a joke and what a complete waste of time to let him speak, upload the interview and waste the bits of space on the net announcing this silly phone call.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i think there are some elements of truth to what he is saying. again i take nothing as gospel and i agree about his religeuos stuff, no need..

[mntruthseeker]

Franciejones,

I get a kick out of your saying, others will not like you for saying this. I feel that way all the time myself but my need to know is far greater and I am putting my ego aside to get to others views. I think its sad that anyone of us should feel we have to keep our views to ourself. I am going to speak my mind to get the answers I want. Ego isn't part of my consciousness any longer.

But, I am curious as to why you felt this way ? Not to argue with you but because I want to understand something I might be missing. What part of the interview did you feel he was misleading about ?

I happened to hear a David Icke interview last week and he mentioned some of these very same things. Regarding the way the world is being divided up between the different leaders. It was exactly as Dr Deagle indicated

[eleni]

He reminded me of George Green as well on this call.


If people didn't like the message- stop listening or don't bother listening at all.
I like to take in information without judgement- the world already has too much of that.

Once I let the info sink in, my brain can discern what is worth retaining/what resonates.

[franciejones]

Franciejones,

I get a kick out of your saying, others will not like you for saying this. I feel that way all the time myself but my need to know is far greater and I am putting my ego aside to get to others views. I think its sad that anyone of us should feel we have to keep our views to ourself. I am going to speak my mind to get the answers I want. Ego isn't part of my consciousness any longer.

But, I am curious as to why you felt this way ? Not to argue with you but because I want to understand something I might be missing. What part of the interview did you feel he was misleading about ?

I happened to hear a David Icke interview last week and he mentioned some of these very same things. Regarding the way the world is being divided up between the different leaders. It was exactly as Dr Deagle indicated

I understand your question completely and appreciate you asking for my opinion :original:

I will say that I do not really think he is misleading. I think he is a "storyteller" which is a polite way to call him a liar. I think he grabs bits and pieces of other conversations and then clumps them in with some "bible-speak" and off he goes....

I know that so many people here and on other forums are highly intuitive and empathic. I have this same knack and use it constantly. I rely on that most of the time, but in this case I think (IMO) that it is so blatant that he is just spinning his spin. I also have always thought he was/is out to make money.

Did anyone else notice that he said folks would need nutra-whatever-it-is he sells?

I have met so many "salesmen" that will use someones weakness/fear (i.e. his diatribe with the holy stuff and the scary nuclear stuff) in order to procure an audience of scared folks who will click "payhere" and "subscribe" to a show or whatever the case may be and it really makes me mad. It is a diversion afterall...and guides a person to fear...but yet he says "don't be afraid"...conflicting to say the least.Also, I have never believed that he is as "educated" as he claims to be. He can barely pronounce the names of states and certain common words...Not to mention the fact that he claims to be a provable descendant of Moses or someone equally silly....its just one of his acclaimed (according to him, not me) credentials.

Just my two cents.

Regarding the part where you said-"I get a kick out of your saying, others will not like you for saying this."

It is true that people can get attacked for something others do not agree with ..I have made that unfortunate mistake myself in the past and hope to not repeat it.

Anyway, I hope I made sense...:lol3:

[Initiate]

It's been said time and time again that the anti-christ (anti human evolution if you prefer) will use all that is good for their own purposes to discuise their agenda.

If we have learnt to discern the true truth through inner communication then we can get more of the truth from all messengers including the 'false' prophets. Why limit the truth. Even the prophets have their own degree's of truth. It is just up to the listener to pick up on what resonates and what doesn't.

[mntruthseeker]

hey cool thanks for your answer

Well obviously I let the part of what we needed go right through my head

Your right about things he said has come out already but I look at it this way. It backs up others views. I feel this way about David Wilcock and really got upset that people put such high praise over him when he was actually repeating others. Now I say, who cares......Get the message out there no matter what...but lets me honest and give credit where credit is due

I do believe that Bill and Kerry were right in putting this out there. He did say somethings that were not mentioned by other whistleblowers they had on their site.......I heard these things through David Icke and Michael Tsarsion (just last night on Coast to Coast)

I feel that so many people just feel that this huge "intervention" will happen without ALL of us working together. At least thats what I am picking up in the chat lately. I am not going to hold my breathe and just assume that will happen period.

Like Eleni just put in her message...............we all need to work together.

I value your point regardless of my own views. We must work together without all the foolishness. I have listened to so many and found myself understanding their views and changing my own. So its a two way street

All and All the main message that I keep getting is that we must work together. NO one can do it alone.

We must remember intervention can only happen if we do and not just accept that it will happen

Some may have an alternative reason to try and make us feel that it will and when ever any kind of "selling" is involve I just ignored But so far of all the whistleblowers that have come forward, I can only count a few that do not try to sell their knowledge or make money from it some way or another

If they were really trying to help us it would be as close to free as they can get by with.

I have met a few of these people in my searches. David Bruce is one

[Baron]

I find this interview ridiculous to say the least. i know many will not like me to say such...but the guy can barely speak....the things he says are nonsense. He is making stuff up and his religous talk frankly makes me sick and I have no IDEA why anyone (including Camelot) even talks to this joker.

I am not saying that other interviewees that he mentioned are right...I am just saying that he is such a joke and what a complete waste of time to let him speak, upload the interview and waste the bits of space on the net announcing this silly phone call.

franciejones:You are not the only one... I also found this interview absolutely ridiculous!

I only listened because Kerry stated that it was a must listen especially towards the end. Same old, same old, though toned down by his standards just like Jordan Maxwell's last interview,possibly since I started exposing them here.

This man has been proved a fraud and a liar years ago and I have written about him in more detail before.Just do a search on him here to read my earlier posts on him.Or better google his name with Fraud-malpractice-liar snake-oil-salesman etc, you will find the truth and that he is NO "Medical Doctor" either and the back door non MD license he had was revoked years ago for malpractice which was the result of a teenage boys death and other malpractice!

I'm starting to wonder if Bill and Kerry have lost the plot completely and lost all sense of reason and neutrality. Kerry your obsequiousness is vomit forming for these two especially when YOU are asking Bill D questions as if he is ALL KNOWING about everything a GOD,Climatologist,pharmacologist, Biologist,Chemist,Cosmologist Geologist,Political Scientist, UFO expert!

I can tell you that he is none of the above just a REPEATER repeating other peoples work & theories and a snake oil salesman who likes telling stories! A couple of times I'm sure he was almost word for word repeating from the script of others I had read and heard only a month ago! I could probably do an educated guess to the websites and radio shows he listens each day, his backside must be glued to the chair in front of his computer which he scans each day taking notes. No wonder he is clinically obese and totally unfit to give health advice or sell health products.What hypocrisy!

Kerry seems to be under the impression this man is receiving high level whistleblower testimony! Cough! Bull S¤#t...Who do you think is giving him this secret information some big knobs from the secret government so he can tell us just like all the other phony whistleblowers, who you have not checked out properly or possibly don't want to because they toooooo are repeaters, and perhaps you know it? If you don't then you are most gullible and you are doing more harm than good now, for those searching for the truth and getting to the bottom of the real conspiracies.

The big problem here is that many things are true or almost true, sound bites but they are not correct, laced with his own rational theories making all he says is worthless unless you know otherwise or do your own digging. This is all very well for somebody like me and those who know exactly what and who he is,but what about the people who take his and your word for what he says, and don't have time or the knowledge or inclination to find the real facts? You have just loaded their heads with false hoods! That means you are as guilty of spreading "disinformation" as those you are suppose to be exposing.

Bill & Kerry you need to read about these frauds, and if you have better knowledge that is contrary share it...But I know you don't because there is not any, they are exactly who some of us know they are, Frauds liars story tellers REPEATERS of other peoples work.

NOT whistle blowers at all and neither is Green, Maxwell, Peterson, Neumann. The latter two are soon to be exposed good and proper that's why they are in hibernation because they suspect they have been ousted.

You need to dump these nutters or expose them yourselves if you want to keep your credibility.Get back to basics and interview more new people who have things to share, that is much more neutral than regular repeaters always being interviewed.

Baron

[Seashore]

Did anyone else notice that he said folks would need nutra-whatever-it-is he sells?

It would be better if he could do what he does without selling his products to pay his expenses. But perhaps it is impossible.

He can barely pronounce the names of states and certain common words

Yes, his diction is poor. I think it is because he tries to talk too fast.

Not to mention the fact that he claims to be a provable descendant of Moses

My brain turns off as soon as he makes reference to this. I'm not interested.

But I think he has a strong conscience and it is his conscience driving him rather than ego.

I think he most definitely has valuable inside information, and we should take advantage of it.

[mntruthseeker]

It's been said time and time again that the anti-christ (anti human evolution if you prefer) will use all that is good for their own purposes to discuise their agenda.

If we have learnt to discern the true truth through inner communication then we can get more of the truth from all messengers including the 'false' prophets. Why limit the truth. Even the prophets have their own degree's of truth. It is just up to the listener to pick up on what resonates and what doesn't.

I agree with you wholeheartily


I have to question others motives when they protest so loudly on what another has to say.

Of all the whistleblowers that Bill and Kerry have talked to I think that there maybe only a few that had their own ideas discussed.


David Icke and Dr Greer are the only two that had original information and not repeated from others...................in fact many others repeat their message

just because you listen doesnt mean you believe...........

[mu2143]

I see death people:flowers2:

[franciejones]

Excellent Post Baron. I could not have said it all better myself. I appreciate your courage to say how strange and dissatisfying things with PC have been with their "whistleblowers". I have strayed from here because I was getting "corrected" for disagreeing and being told to "leave" if I did not agree...glad to see that you are here and voicing yourself. :original:

[mntruthseeker]

well Baron, may I ask who you find to be credible that are not repeaters themselfs?

I can't think of too many that have come forward on camelot that have not repeated what others have already said. I already mentioned two that I found talking from their hearts and not anothers. David Icke and Dr Steven Greer

I have no idea who you are and how much you seriously know but to come forth with such a bold statement, I would think that you are someone that actually does know whats going on.

[mntruthseeker]

Excellent Post Baron. I could not have said it all better myself. I appreciate your courage to say how strange and dissatisfying things with PC have been with their "whistleblowers". I have strayed from here because I was getting "corrected" for disagreeing and being told to "leave" if I did not agree...glad to see that you are here and voicing yourself. :original:

who told you to leave ? I find that disgusting. I have been felt that I have gotten the "cold shoulder" from people here because I question things but I decided that I have a right to know myself and stayed.

I'm glad you stayed Franciejones and I love hearing your views. How else are we to learn Geeze I have to say that you have made me look at certain things in a very different way

I have decided that I wanted to learn so to hell with those that feel that if we discuss something such as this, that we are not to be given the opportunity to be heard.

thats not working together now is it ?

[Lionhawk]

I think Eleni has a good attitude about how to approach it all.

Not to start an argument here, but Baron, what is your take on what is going on from within you? From your experience? The first hand and not the second hand. You got me curious if I may ask. I sense the interview really grated your beliefs. Although I am not interested in anyone's beliefs, I am interested in anyone's knowledge. Big difference there. I'm asking for your truth.

I also think preparing is better than not doing anything. If you don't have to use it great, but if you do at least you will have it to survive.

Blessings

[waitinginthewings]

I find this interview ridiculous to say the least. i know many will not like me to say such...but the guy can barely speak....the things he says are nonsense. He is making stuff up and his religous talk frankly makes me sick and I have no IDEA why anyone (including Camelot) even talks to this joker.

I am not saying that other interviewees that he mentioned are right...I am just saying that he is such a joke and what a complete waste of time to let him speak, upload the interview and waste the bits of space on the net announcing this silly phone call.

I get it that you don't like the guy, but could you be more specific? For me, any whistleblower is questionable...........we have no way really of knowing who is telling the truth and who is not.....I have come to terms with it & I listen now with interest, take what feels right to me & file the rest away.

agh...you answered my question above.....never mind.

[TRANCOSO]

I'm starting to wonder if Bill and Kerry have lost the plot completely and lost all sense of reason and neutrality. Kerry your obsequiousness is vomit forming for these two especially when YOU are asking Bill D questions as if he is ALL KNOWING about everything a GOD, Climatologist, pharmacologist, Biologist, Chemist, Cosmologist. Geologist, Political Scientist, UFO expert!

Yes Baron, in case you didn't notice, Dill Beagle is a Dr. And being a Dr., Dill Beagle could be all of the above & much, much more! GOD? Well, perhaps he is (a) God! In disguise, that is, but who knows? Who wants to know?
What really came as a surprise to me, is the fact that Bill & Kerry still talk with/to this guy.
Thank God I don't have to listen to it.

[DoctorWho]

Francie, I luv ya. Don't change, just grow.
Bill "the Doctor"

[Seashore]

The most telling thing was when he went after Jane Burgermeister in such a heinous way just proves he isn't who he says he is.


Dr Deagle had cause to expose Jane Burgermeister. I am not aware of Dr Deagle doing or saying anything heinous in regard to her in his response to the situation she created.

The controversy began after the experience Dr A True Ott had dealing with Ms Burgermeister. Dr Ott and Dr Deagle team in trying to help expose pandemic/vaccine lies and deception. Dr Ott is a regular guest on Dr Deagle's radio program.

From a blog article presenting a piece authorized by Dr Ott dated August 11, 2009, here is my summary of the beginning of the sequence of events:


After working with Ms Burgermeister for months accumulating evidence and legal documentation concerning possible illegal activities concerning the "outbreak" of pandemic swine flu in the U.S. and other activities concerning Baxter Pharma in Europe, Dr Ott had Ms. Burgermeister as a guest on RBN's "Born on the 4th of July" on June 22, 2009.
During the month of June, Ms Burgermeister began making public declarations that she had "officially filed criminal charges" against high-ranking public officials in U.S. courts - including the current President, Barack Obama.
Around July 8, 2009 Dr Ott asked Ms Burgermeister for proof of her public declarations (court receipts and docket numbers).
Ms. Burgermeister responded by falsely accusing him, and publicly slandering his good name, leveling him in return with unfounded charges of "conspiracy with Baxter," of having covert "complicity with the CIA," and even of "practicing Satanism."


This is the beginning of the story.

Here is the link to the blog article:

http://labvirus.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/a-true-ott-whos-citizen-jane-burgermeister-continues-to-expand-her-fraud-and-disinformation-campaign/

[mntruthseeker]

I read that once before Seashore.....I also recall something saying that Dr Deagle had reported information on this many years prior to Jane's lawsuite.

I guess it all goes to who did what and when......alot of judgement going on and I guess I will just end this telling you thank you for sharing the video

I did pick up some new information and whether its first hand or not makes no difference to me.

I was hoping to get some clarification but I guess its better left alone if it causes so much anger.

[Seashore]

I read that once before Seashore.....I also recall something saying that Dr Deagle had reported information on this many years prior to Jane's lawsuite.

I guess it all goes to who did what and when......alot of judgement going on and I guess I will just end this telling you thank you for sharing the video

I did pick up some new information and whether its first hand or not makes no difference to me.

I was hoping to get some clarification but I guess its better left alone if it causes so much anger.

Are you talking about a video that is linked on the blog article I used?

I also do not want to get into another Jane Burgermeister debate.

But I needed to post this because support for Jane means turning away from Dr Bill and Dr Ott and I think that is most unfortunate. Both these men have risked their lives doing what they're doing and I believe they deserve respect, not ridicule. I'm sure both of them could make a comfortable living doing something else; I believe they're doing what they're doing because they care deeply.

[orthodoxymoron]

Once again...I treat almost everything on Camelot and Avalon as science fiction and conspiracy theories...which could very well be 100% true. I really try to remain detached. Even a paid Alphabet Disinfo Agent could reveal vital pieces of the puzzle. A complete Liar and Charlatan could stumble upon vital pieces of the puzzle. A Drunk in a Cheap Bar could blurt out something of classified or conspiratorial importance. The real top-level (or bottom-level?) insiders probably aren't talking. They probably don't even remember anything about what they did in their Cosmic Clearance jobs. Probably most of what we get exposed to is a composite...you know...bits and pieces of information...pieced together to create a presentation. I don't have a problem with this. I don't absolutely know that this is how it works...but this is what I suspect. Just take in what resonates and fits...and throw out the rest.

[Seashore]

Once again...I treat almost everything on Camelot and Avalon as science fiction and conspiracy theories...which could very well be 100% true. I really try to remain detached. Even a paid Alphabet Disinfo Agent could reveal vital pieces of the puzzle. A complete Liar and Charlatan could stumble upon vital pieces of the puzzle. A Drunk in a Cheap Bar could blurt out something of classified or conspiratorial importance. The real top-level (or bottom-level?) insiders probably aren't talking. They probably don't even remember anything about what they did in their Cosmic Clearance jobs. Probably most of what we get exposed to is a composite...you know...bits and pieces of information...pieced together to create a presentation. I don't have a problem with this. I don't absolutely know that this is how it works...but this is what I suspect. Just take in what resonates and fits...and throw out the rest.

Thank you, ortho. You've broadened my horizon.

[burgundia]

Once again...I treat almost everything on Camelot and Avalon as science fiction and conspiracy theories...which could very well be 100% true. I really try to remain detached. Even a paid Alphabet Disinfo Agent could reveal vital pieces of the puzzle. A complete Liar and Charlatan could stumble upon vital pieces of the puzzle. A Drunk in a Cheap Bar could blurt out something of classified or conspiratorial importance. The real top-level (or bottom-level?) insiders probably aren't talking. They probably don't even remember anything about what they did in their Cosmic Clearance jobs. Probably most of what we get exposed to is a composite...you know...bits and pieces of information...pieced together to create a presentation. I don't have a problem with this. I don't absolutely know that this is how it works...but this is what I suspect. Just take in what resonates and fits...and throw out the rest.

I thought everybody was doing that.....but anyway thank you for putting this nicely in words...

[Seashore]

I thought everybody was doing that.....but anyway thank you for putting this nicely in words...

I haven't been doing this so much. Sometimes when sources get on my nerves or make me angry I don't want to listen to them. I'm having to learn to keep my emotions in check so that I can benefit from whatever information may be gleaned. And I also have to remind myself that sources I generally trust are going to be wrong sometimes. As Billy Joel says in the song, "You're only human; you're supposed to make mistakes!"

[TraineeHuman]

Deagle does mention some interesting details or notions. It seems that most of us are finding him offputting nevertheless. What nearly put me off was his hell-and-brimstone attitude: "People of earth, you are being closely monitored, but you're so unevolved you're mostly huge failures, and the end result is likely to be that the human race will get scrapped or robotised in the near future." Sounds just like a fundamentalist hell-fire preacher to me. That kind of talk seems pretty insane to me. Dolores Cannon, by contrast, -- whom I consider more trustworthy --, claims that her hypnotherapy research reveals that an alternative planet, free of the bacteria and viruses that cause diseases, has already been prepared for the human race in case the environment does get trashed to an unrecoverable point.

On the other hand, I find it very interesting to hear any news about the Annunaki. I have had telepathic contact with them over the years sometimes and been influenced by some of them, and have been able to compare notes with other people who have also had such contact. So I believe I know they are definitely one of the benevolent or guardian alien races who really do exist in relation to humanity. (Of course, Bob Dean says they are benevolently watching over us too.) They don't live eternally in a physical form, however, as Zecharia Sitchin claims. All the gods of the various ancient cultures have been the same Annunaki reincarnating in a human form. For example, Enki incarnated in India as Shiva, in ancient Greece as Dionysus, in Egypt as Osiris, and so on. Similarly, Enlil reincarnated as various sun gods, such as Vishnu in India and Apollo in Greece. These beings are geniuses, in my experience, with extraordinary insight and knowledge. I understand they have also had one of their number "administratively" in charge of the fourth dimension for this planet, who gets changed roughly every 2,000 years. I take it Deagle considers they were the ones who constructed the stargates he refers to.

[happy]

hello to all ,
we are humans becoming , help us to become .:original:
Have been ready the forum for over a year now and there seems to be alot of time spent , what I see as missing the point .
The point is we are on a sinking ship .
one reaction is , " oh look the water is rising this side , oh , well its going down on the otherside . oh blah blah .:wall:
Can some one point me in the direction of people wanting and taking thoughtful ACTION in creating communities that are connected all around our globe . :tongue2:
dr deagle gives us alot to ponder while we create heaven on earth .

thanks drd:trumpet:

My family and I are awaiting the 2012 folk but no ones turned up .
how about u tell me ware to go:roll1:
got the seeds but no where to plant them .
better look at dr ds future map

[Baron]

Excellent Post Baron. I could not have said it all better myself. I appreciate your courage to say how strange and dissatisfying things with PC have been with their "whistleblowers". I have strayed from here because I was getting "corrected" for disagreeing and being told to "leave" if I did not agree...glad to see that you are here and voicing yourself. :original:

franciejones: Thanks for the kudos appreciated.
I've been onto these frauds for a long time and I hate to see good people being drawn into their lying spiel for self aggrandisement and profit.So I have to say something even if its mostly futile, but if I can just warn a few off these repeaters who have dodgy backgrounds who probably could not get a regular job and if then it would be one telling half truth=lies.

That is very typical that some have been trying to correct you and telling you to leave for disagreeing here,because you have had the audacity to see through the "BS".But fear not,many of those are stooges on this forum and of course the very people we have seen through, posting to defend themselves as another person!

I was counting on one particular person to post in defence of those crooked repeating snake oil salesmen as soon as I mentioned Deagle the weasel or another NON "Dr",True Ott, Oh and has he! Post after post here.

Ott I forgot to mention in my last post,whose been silent since his qualifications have come under investigation, by the authorities because of some brave seekers of the truth. Both Deagle and Ott have been proved to have phony qualifications and neither are MD's both are selling snake oil on their websites which makes them look like they are MD's and both have radio shows! They have a circuit of mates we can say, who gang up on anybody who questions or proves their illegitimacy.So repeat each others spiel and other peoples genuine work on their merry go around. This is also what's wrong with many of these conferences it's much like the conspiracy radio, a self serving circuit not for the truth seekers by enlarge, but self serving advertising to new suckers for profit, because when speckled by these circuit repeaters, one has no clue who to believe!Hence they get new followers some wake up and spot the inconsistencies, many don't sadly!

Oh about the Stooge here, I will give you a clue,he always defends Deagle and Ott and always links to a hateful lying blog poster going by the name of "labvirus" aka "Alex McGowin Studer" who is also a Deagle & Ott stooge who cannot see the truth because of the lies he sprouts on this blog of nasty vitriolic lies of hate about Jane Burgermeister and others who have caught onto them.

Click this link and then click "labvirus" in the comments section and that goes not to more info on Alex Studer but DIRECTLY to Bill deagles snake oil website!!!

http://labvirus.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/a-true-ott-whos-citizen-jane-burgermeister-continues-to-expand-her-fraud-and-disinformation-campaign/

Now go to this page link and listen to this repeater Alex Studer tell you how unbiased he is! LOL You cannot make this stuff up!
Professional liars using legitimate work of others for there own benefit!

http://labvirus.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/video-alex-mcgowin-studer-host-of-labvirus-com-comments-on-the-ukraine-pneumonic-plague-bioweapon-outbreak/


I don't know Jane B, I know their opus operandi though to a T. Besides Bill Ryan doing one of his own spur of the moment interviews in Austria with Jane B,and countered those liars with his first interview of her, posted on Camelot.

Deagle and Ott hated that Jane Burgermeister who got there before them with facts stole their thunder and tried to do something, even though she did not know at the time the right procedures, and they then made her out to be this secret disinfo agent,an ugly duckling and other rubbish, creepy stuff.

A few short videos here of others who are onto These frauds.Worth a look if only to shake your head in their idiocy.

YouTube- DR DEAGLE AND DR OTT ARE FRAUDS


YouTube- Mustang Sally - Dr. Bill Deagle FAIL

YouTube- Can we trust Northwoods or Dr. Deagle?



Oh and the piste de la resistance is here link below, this is Bill Deagles official Colorado State revocation of his license to prescribe medicines because of his malpractice.

https://www.doradls.state.co.us/alison.php?action=COMPDETAIL&ind=true&soboard=51&lickey=MzkwNTAz&t_o_p=0

Regards
Baron

[Seashore]

Both...and Ott have been proved to have phony qualifications and neither are MD's...

Dr Ott is an ND and a PhD.

[Barron]

Personally i watched about a 3hour talk Bill Deagle gave back in about 2006 called the Granada Forum or similar and he is indeed a very intelligent and well informed man who does indeed know what is going on. I can see whay some of his biblical references may rattle some but then again Dr Leonard Horowitz could also rattle those persons same cages yet they both speak of truth.

Some of Bill Deagle's info will blow many people's belief structures right out of the water and that is fine - he is not asking anyone to believe him. When he talks of Deep Underground Military bases andthe high speed levitating magnetic trains that cross vast distances under the surface of this planet at great speed, he is not making this stufff up! It is in my opinion, combined with about 30 years research into these subjects, very factual.

People who spread truth are always attacked and brought into disrepute. In fact, paid disinfo agents event frequent sites such as this to cast further dispersion/ confusion.

I also listened to a long Bill deagle radio show that Bill and Kerry did in the "early days" of the Swine flu coming to people's attentiona and once again i was very impressed with what Bill Deagle had to say.

[Seashore]

Oh about the Stooge here, I will give you a clue,he always defends Deagle and Ott and always links to a hateful lying blog poster going by the name of "labvirus" aka "Alex McGowin Studer" who is also a Deagle & Ott stooge who cannot see the truth because of the lies he sprouts on this blog of nasty vitriolic lies of hate about Jane Burgermeister and others who have caught onto them.

Here is a video of Alex Studer going to bat for the people before his local Board of Supervisors - just the kind of thing Dr Bill urges his fellow Americans to do in his idea of a legal militia (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15298&highlight=legal+militia):

YouTube- Alex Studer speaks about H1N1 Swine Flu and Vaccinations to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors

[MONITOR]

It sense i'ts close....the tone of his voice, non more games....this is it!

[Seashore]

Oh about the Stooge here, I will give you a clue,he always defends Deagle and Ott and always links to a hateful lying blog poster going by the name of "labvirus" aka "Alex McGowin Studer" who is also a Deagle & Ott stooge who cannot see the truth because of the lies he sprouts on this blog of nasty vitriolic lies of hate about Jane Burgermeister and others who have caught onto them.

Here is another example of Alex Studer's work. It is the beginning of his latest blog post:

"Ukraine plagues and now heavy supply and personnel movement in and out of US Deep Underground Military Bases (DUMBs)
November 18, 2009 at 9:53 pm

[I have a vast number of photographs posts and related links pertaining to DUMBs which I plan to include here on this site very soon. For those who do not know, there exists worldwide an interconnected network of underground military bases, some more than two miles deep into the ground, connected by vacuum-tube mag-lev highspeed german-made train systems, called TerraNet. Some of these locations are veritable underground cities, the largest of which in the US is underground just east of Colorado Springs. Much of the missing 2.3 trillion announced by Rumsfeld the day before 9/11 has gone into building these bases, along with much of the black-op DOD congressional budget. This is where the so-called 'shadow government' is headquartered, and underground at Falcon, Colorado is located the Cray-5 Artificially Intelligent supercomputer array connected by very thick ultraviolet fiberoptic cable called 'The Beast' which went online in 2003 and has ever since been grabbing every piece of available data from every available source and building a giant TIA database on every human being on the planet ever since. More on this later. -ed]"

Here's the link:

http://labvirus.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/ukraine-plagues-and-now-heavy-supply-and-personnel-movement-in-and-out-of-us-deep-underground-military-bases-dumbs/

[Anchor]

Kerry your obsequiousness is vomit forming for these two especially when YOU are asking Bill D questions as if he is ALL KNOWING about everything a GOD,Climatologist,pharmacologist, Biologist,Chemist,Cosmologist Geologist,Political Scientist, UFO expert!

Can you make your critiques (which are welcomed) without going down the path of insults.

I don't care how long the words are you use, please use then nicely.

Kerry is, as you well know, a member of this forum, please keep it decent and respectful.

Thanks.

A..

[Seashore]

As I continue to seek discernment with the whistleblowers, Bill Deagle, IMO, is not a credible source, for me.

I had also heard he is a paid CIA disinfo agent from Clif High, who again, IMO is more credible. The fact that he is changing his tune now not being so doom and gloom means they gave him a new script to follow. You cant be doom and gloom your entire history then change with one interview.

I'm not as familiar with Clif High as I am other sources.

What does he state as his rationale for his opinion about Dr Bill?

[franciejones]

Clif Specifically says that Deagle and burisch are "non-starters" in his data gathering which means that what they say does not resonate OR simply put, that they are lying. Hope that helps

[Seashore]

Clif Specifically says that Deagle and burisch are "non-starters" in his data gathering which means that what they say does not resonate OR simply put, that they are lying. Hope that helps

Can you point me to where I read up on his term "non-starters"?

[franciejones]

I did not read it...it was in a radio interview. SOrry I do not remember which one it was as there are so many.

[Seashore]

I did not read it...it was in a radio interview. SOrry I do not remember which one it was as there are so many.

Okay thanks.

Maybe I can find it on his website.

[Baron]

Those of you who think that non accredited qualifications aka PHONY and are the same as legitimate qualifications! Need to have your heads examined!

The "stooge" who follows me around every time I respond about these two frauds! Odd that. Said that True Ott has an "ND" and a "Phd" Ok how do you know? Because he says so,or you are trying to legitimise yourself? Or its written on his website? Well I know because I know the team that's investigated these frauds!


What they have are NON accredited diplomas that you can buy off the net or via mail order that are worthless! Many get away with it because most folks sadly are ignorant of these facts.

Have you seen the diplomas and have you followed up on the university or medical school they were issued? Na thought not.

Do you know its the law in all States and most of the western world for the practitioner to display his diplomas in his office and also on request to inform potential patients where and when he gained his qualifications. If one has a website one MUST give a brief bio of not only his/her qualifications but the University or medical school he attended and contact details.

So now tell me why after many requests do both Bill "Liar" Deagle and True Ott, not done so, and ignore multiple requests for details of their qualifications? Also that they display neither only a bunch of letters after their names with no bio or details on their snake oil websites! WHICH IS REQUIRED BY LAW.

Funny how you only mentioned True Ott's qualifications and no details, but nothing on what Deagle has!! You really are Deagle's stooge and his cronies?

Also you posted videos of that other idiot stooge Alex Studer he even says statement like on a video I posted,on the word-press link, that Deagle is an "MD" why Because Deagle says he is uses the abbreviation MD and implies it! But I can tell you categorically that he is NOT and has never been an MD. Now how can you trust a man who gets simple things wrong with important matters? You cannot.

Oh and that home made video of his tirade for "LAFco" was like any person going down to their local council and sprouting off some nonsense statement while onlookers who were there being dumbfounded what he was on about, having a right to speak about local matters and then picking up a video camera of yourself and then posting it as if he was doing something important and this was going to do something! The poor onlookers had no idea what he was on about! How do we know, contact and information was requested from SF LAFco, Laugh co was very appropriate. Real life checking does wonders to expose these fantasists.

Going back to True Ott lets pretend now that he has these qualifications?
Lets look at his title he uses! "Dr True Ott ND Phd" What's wrong with this?

Do you know? We do and any real Doctor or Professor will tell you.

Firstly "ND" is not a qualification that qualifies you for or is relevant to earn or even qualify you for studying for a Phd. So that means he has an undergraduate degree hidden in his resume? NO he does not have one so he cannot earn a Phd! So that means he does not have a real one.

Oh and Phd is a Doctorate degree of philosophy, so you can write your thesis about how sand feels on your feet! It still does not make you an MD.

Also if one has a Phd and you do not have either MD or D.O you must only use Phd after your name and not prefix "Dr" or Doctor as that can allude that you are an MD or D.O!Which is fraud. D.O. is short for Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine by the way!

MD and D.O are the only qualifications that allows them to prescribe medicine and perform surgery and treat the whole person.

There are a few loop holes Psychologists in some States and some countries can prescribe medication, Psychotherapist have similar rules.

So the only thing True about True Ott is his name, as nobody in their right mind would want to be called True, perhaps he should change it to True Liar.
Besides he's a nut job anyway selling his snake oil via his website and radio show also selling aliens conspiracies and other crazy stuff they can make up or repeat fear mongering, so he's not practising being an ND other than by default and alludes again to being a Doctor of medicine or D.O which he is NOT!!!

Note about ND or Naturepath the philosophy has many benefits and is another form of complementary medicine 4 years study when legitimate, and by an honest practitioner who just sites his Nauturepath qualification without alluding to be a Doctor unless he/she has trained firstly as an MD or D.O.

Most though gain it without much proper training, to get on the health sales bandwagon which is true in this case.


But Deagle abused a loophole with a cross over illegal in most US States at the time with a worthless qualification coming from Canada to Colorado which managed to give him the ability to prescribe pharmaceuticals! Which was revoked as you now know but to late before several people were injured and one person dying!

Oh and as for Bill Deagles titles he uses! LOL No real Doctor would have these up after his name! All are associations being a member does not mean you have any qualifications! "Dr. Wm. R. Deagle MD, ABFP, CCFP, CIME, AAAAAM, ACOEM, AAPM, SPPM, AAEM
American Board Family Physician"Note the "MD" this is copied direct from his website telling people he is a real Doctor! He is NOT and he is based in California and if you go and check at the California Colorado or the Canadian Medical board you can check him out he's NOT licensed. His website does not give anything as to WHERE he picked up his qualifications because they are worthless and the loophole he had was revoked by the Colorado Medical Board years ago!

In the USA you have to be licensed for such things as Hairdresser/stylist barber and Tattoo artist etc, so licensing is essential!

So Bill & Kerry why are you ignoring US and giving attention to liars and frauds like these with some tall story's,who make up things like this, secret agents aliens probably framed him and set him up to be an idiot! Because of what he found out by visions or some such nonsense!

Oh and while I'm here I know Deagle & Ott and some other ignorant stooges & frauds are reading this, go on that's a challenge prove us wrong go on we dare you.

Not a chance you would rather duck and dive never answering a direct question with a direct true answer than for you to be honest and tell the truth of what you are. REPEATERS of other peoples work for your own aggrandisement and PROFIT. You have no knowledge secret source research or aliens talking to you period, you just rip off other peoples stuff direct off the net and all that has been obvious for years! YOU are REPEATERS and FRAUDS.

Oh and for those who want to know or hear about the UFOs, Aliens, Annanuki go read the sources by the real researchers and investigators! Not second hand from these REPEATERS. if you want to know about Underground bases you should read Richard Sauder not what reapter Alex Suder is posting and the photos we have seen since the 1970/80s!! You want to read about UFOs read Timothy Good or Richard Dolan or want to know about the Ananuki read Zecharia Sitchin or vaccination and pandemics read Jane Burgermeister and the real whistle blower testimony a google search will do it for real good sources these are just a few.But stay away from repeaters multi hand information gained by trolling the net for profit no matter how good they waffle on!

But the real embarrassment is going to be "Arthur Neumann" formerly Henry Deacon and Pete Peterson expose!Coming soon LOL that's the last we will hear of them!
I suppose Camelot will say they have gone underground because the mystery people men in black aliens reptilians greys or irods are after them! LOL

Baron

Trying to sort the wheat from chaff for no gain and help those who need it to find that mysterious elusive thing called THE TRUTH.

[franciejones]

Thanks so much Baron for that information. I never researched Ott as I did not care...lol. NOr did I care for what Peterson said, and HD is just silly) But years ago after seeing Deagle on google at the Granada Forum, I did a couple of years worth of background...he is a phony. It bothers me only because he is being paid attention to. He uses these "so called" credentials to "prove" to listeners that he is legit..which so many have fallen for. It takes time to sort it out as an individual...and everyone moves at their own pace. I have quit trying to prove my conclusions about a person as I know that in the long run others will come to similar conclusions. I did used to fervently try to let people know that he is a fraud...but it became too upsetting so I stopped trying. Folks come around eventually....or maybe they do not. I just feel badly when a person is newly "waking up" and they are met with the likes of fear mongers (such as the above mentioned) and it steers them towards fear... oh well...

But thanks again for taking the time to state your case, I understand exactly how you feel.

[GaiaLove]

The "stooge" who follows me around every time I respond about these two frauds! Odd that. Said that True Ott has an "ND" and a "Phd" Ok how do you know? Because he says so,or you are trying to legitimise yourself? Or its written on his website? Well I know because I know the team that's investigated these frauds!

Baron,
Again we are warning you against personal attacks/insults.
you have made some intelligent and valid points regarding the topic,
stick to that and leave the name calling to school children please.
It has no place here.

[Seashore]

I was counting on one particular person to post in defence of those crooked repeating snake oil salesmen as soon as I mentioned Deagle the weasel or another NON "Dr",True Ott, Oh and has he! Post after post here.

I assumed you were not speaking of me because I'm a "she" not a "he" and my profile page indicates this for members. Not that it's important which gender I am.

I will defend Dr Bill and Dr Ott because they are leaders who are doing a good job for the people, in my opinion. I'm not on this forum for any other reason than to make a contribution in solving the huge issues we all face together.

[Seashore]

Oh and while I'm here I know Deagle & Ott and some other ignorant stooges & frauds are reading this, go on that's a challenge prove us wrong go on we dare you.

Baron,

Do you represent a group?

[eleni]

The personal insults are getting old- I have to wonder why be on a PC/PA forum if one keeps slamming B&K?

That said- Baron- do you have information regarding Pete Peterson and Henry Deacon/Nuemann. Because we the people would like to know if they are indeed phony. I have my feelings about Peterson- am neutral on Deacon but would like to know of any insider information. Thank you.

[franciejones]

The personal insults are getting old- I have to wonder why be on a PC/PA forum if one keeps slamming B&K?

That said- Baron- do you have information regarding Pete Peterson and Henry Deacon/Nuemann. Because we the people would like to know if they are indeed phony. I have my feelings about Peterson- am neutral on Deacon but would like to know of any insider information. Thank you.

Eleni,

I respect what you have said. And I also understand Baron's frustration at the same time. Personal attacks are not cool ofcourse...but disagreement is surely in order here regarding the interviews being put out lately by Bill and kerry. They were a part of my wake up and I have disagreed with them in the past and had my hand slapped for it (figuratively ofcourse). I stay on the forum because this is the first one I ever belonged to and I like to see what folks here think regarding the interviews done by PC. I have no info for you regarding the two you mentioned. I can only go by my observations with them...and I have decided to no longer observe them. That is just me...I have a knack for spotting BS and its what I see and hear with these two. I have nothing else to offer...sorry

[Jonah]

being from the medical field.... i also prefer accredited information when it comes to certain measurements of the body.... however being accredited means nothing when it comes to a persons intuition. I choose to listen to everything i can find regardless of the source.... if something feels untrue... i ask myself "now why would they want me to believe something like that..." then connect the dots... and you have a piece of a puzzle that you didnt have before....

B&K are providing us with information.... as much as they can from the looks of it.. do with it what you will..... or not.

but please judge not ... have we only come so far?

[Seashore]

Well I know because I know the team that's investigated these frauds!

What team is that?

[Seashore]

As I continue to seek discernment with the whistleblowers, Bill Deagle, IMO, is not a credible source, for me.

I had also heard he is a paid CIA disinfo agent from Clif High, who again, IMO is more credible.I'm not as familiar with Clif High as I am other sources.

What does he state as his rationale for his opinion about Dr Bill? Clif Specifically says that Deagle and burisch are "non-starters" in his data gathering which means that what they say does not resonate OR simply put, that they are lying. Hope that helps. Okay thanks.

Maybe I can find it on his website.

I have tried to find information about how "non-starters' are identified on Clif High's website Half Past Human (http://www.halfpasthuman.com/altaprocess.html). He talks about "asymetric language trend analysis" for future viewing but I don't see anything about identifying non-starters as part of what he does.

[franciejones]

Ok...the term "non-starter (which I told you was in an interview) means this:

The spiders he sends out find that what "they" are saying, turns up nothing in the linguistics....therefore....a non-starter.

Hope that helps

[Seashore]

Ok...the term "non-starter (which I told you was in an interview) means this:

The spiders he sends out find that what "they" are saying, turns up nothing in the linguistics....therefore....a non-starter.

Hope that helps

Yes, that does help.

So, no one else is talking about what "they" are talking about?

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

ok enough i enough lol... please lock this thread ... any mods ty:naughty: