Camelot Clay and Shawn Pickering Audio Interview

[Seashore]

:mfr_omg:

I only listened to the first few seconds of the three minute segment and I had to put it on pause to exclaim to myself about what I just heard.

I am really looking forward to this interview:

http://www.projectcamelot.org/

[eleni]

Am listening now.

[THE eXchanger]

i am listening to: http://www.projectcamelot.org/audio_interviews.html

[Seashore]

So far I've listened to the first hour of this interview.

I am very impressed with what a good job Kerry and Bill have done listening to what Clay and Shawn say, and then patiently, thoroughly, following up with pertinent questions to keep the interview on track and flowing.

I think they've demonstrated that they're "in the zone."

[Spregovori]

I listened to the whole thing yesterday...half the time my mind was occupied with something else...but the recording was a nice "company". 4 people...

It was interesting with the usual *cant say more than this* and the very popular *this thing needs to get out*

I like the logical "integrity" of the conversation...

and

I like that Kerry and Bill tried to somehow connect the dots...to find some common ground...to compare what other stated.... This should be done more...as I have already said and written before.

[Antonia]

I know Clay and Shawn said they thought these rock/diamond thingys the controlers were ancient entities from beyond this Galaxi but their discription of being so hot and diamond like and shape shifters and interdimentional I immeadietly thought of beings from the Sun... Our Sun? Or any Star? As much channeled materials I have read refer to great beings of wisdon who live on the Sun and on stars.. these fire beings are at home on a much higher dimension and have subtle bodies made of light and gas and fire ..basically the same stuff as stars just like we are made of the same stuff as our planet earth ie..carbon/water/ light etc....
The ancients always worshiped the Sun Gods... who they believed lived in the sun etc .....even RA was the sun God???

[Seashore]

This stuff is so amazing!

[eleni]

Antonia- maybe they are from a different universe? That came to mind- so not only another dimensional level but a different universe entirely?

[Pleiadian]

has anyone thought that these diamonds/rocks could be a machine (an advanced machine of some kind) ?

[eleni]

I thought of that.......I am really wondering what the body modification is that Source A has to undergo. Sounds drastic and why can't we know?

[Gnosis5]

I thought of that.......I am really wondering what the body modification is that Source A has to undergo. Sounds drastic and why can't we know?

In the book of case studies, "Have you Lived Before this Life", there was one particular case I found very fascinating that this brings to mind.

The client recalled a lifetime he spent in another of what he noted were 16 universes or dimensions (I don't recall exactly). He was a crystal being and then something went wrong and he was jerked into another totally 3D humanoid incident.

Theoretically a fully potentiated being could create any style universe he can conceive. Now that you bring this up I'll try to make a point to notice anything related to crystal beings in my ongoing research. So far I've gone up the chain of command only as high as the Annunaki, who are themselves either multi-versals or hyperversals or both and they consider themselves keepers of the tech.

[Gnosis5]

To fill in about some Greys, we have taken enough people to between lives recall that it is becoming commonplace to find a pod of Greys ruled over by a Reptilian. The purpose of their programming and implanting humans seems to be related to having a labour force and to bring the planet up to an ecoenviro that is suitable for Greys.

Here is the thread of my notes on two separate people's sessions. Now there has also been a third person independently confirming what I and another person saw that occurred in our between lives times.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17233&highlight=Nannies

[Gnosis5]

Some thoughts while listening to Clay and Shawn:

When we were doing our research into possibilities of stabilizing the planet using our own technologies we suddenly found ourselves being curiously examined by a council of Annunaki (I think it was them).

They were especially very curious about my instructor who is a typical "un-guru", yet who is creating some big waves. I processed out of this council group a traumatic incident that involved myself when I was a different being on a different planet, different time. When we cleared that up they took up the tech we are using with great interest and sort of ran with it and I was aware that they have a research ship or satellite.

[El Ragoczy]

Are the Crystalline Beings, the Diamond Rocks, working with our Dna in this first contact? I am thinking about this because of the form they have choosen. It is like they are teaching us to open our minds to new ways of thinking. I felt this to be true when listening to the Interview. It was like I connected with the crystalline essence and telepathically received this understanding. It feels like they want to Re-Constitute our fear based Dna to Crystalline Dna or what it is called. I think this is also the case with the reptilians and our reptilian Dna. We have Dna from many different species. I think it is 22 and the reptilian is one of them.
Blesssings,

El

[solent]

Just visited the Camelot front page and the interview links etc have been taken down? Whats going on please Bill & Kerry, please will you inform us of the reasoning behind this.. Thanks.

[Seashore]

Just visited the Camelot front page and the interview links etc have been taken down? Whats going on please Bill & Kerry, please will you inform us of the reasoning behind this.. Thanks.

I see them there...

http://www.projectcamelot.org/

[Seashore]

Are the Crystalline Beings, the Diamond Rocks, working with our Dna in this first contact? I am thinking about this because of the form they have choosen. It is like they are teaching us to open our minds to new ways of thinking. I felt this to be true when listening to the Interview. It was like I connected with the crystalline essence and telepathically received this understanding. It feels like they want to Re-Constitute our fear based Dna to Crystalline Dna or what it is called. I think this is also the case with the reptilians and our reptilian Dna. We have Dna from many different species. I think it is 22 and the reptilian is one of them.
Blesssings,

El

This is your first post!

:welcomeani:

[solent]

Thanks Seashore, I noticed the ip addy I have is .net not .org

Using the .net extension doesn't show the updated front page :winksmiley02:

[Seashore]

Thanks Seashore, I noticed the ip addy I have is .net not .org

Using the .net extension doesn't show the updated front page :winksmiley02:

I'm confused about what you're saying.

They're the same:

http://www.projectcamelot.net/

[solent]

:mfr_lol: Now I'm confussed also, because I just used your link .net and yes I get the updated page, but when I used my .net link which was saved in my "Favorites Folder" it didn't show the update, even after clearing the cache etc. Very strange, anyway thanks. :thumb_yello:

[Seashore]

Very strange, anyway thanks. :thumb_yello:

You're very welcome. Computer stuff can be mystifying at times...

[mntruthseeker]

I came away with mixed feelings after listening to this interview.

One very happy to have contact is a given but do I want the Reptilians involved period. I know that they most deffinately want to take over and will if given the least bit of room

As far as the Crystal rock image I right away went to "orbs" that everyone is seeing. I also know that the Praying Mantis are high up in the chain of power of what is decided.

I dont have a bad feeling about the praying mantis and know that they can't stay in our atmosphere for very long at all so I understood Kerrys question on more than once asking where the meeting held place.

Makes we wonder if they are the conformers.

I have heard that the reptilians shape shift into more than one specie also

I just read a book that is not published that my friend wrote and I am lost at what has happened. She talked quite abit about the praying mantis and I just went back to find out again how she describe the form they took and her describtion of why and how and somehow the book is not accesible to me any longer. I can't imagine how that happened when it was in my programs.

I do know that I have no fear of them but I have to wonder about the agenda of the reptilians and the connection if there is any. Her book never mentioned the reptilians at all but I do know she was not pleased with TPTB's.

[Lionhawk]

Thank-you first of all to Kerry and Bill. That was a difficult interview to do. A long one as well. I am sure they received tons of emails over that one and maybe not in a positive light. I would leave it up however on the site even though it wasn't one for the record books.

The reason why I say that is because I think it gave a good overview of how this stuff has been handled. Why it seems to lead to a dead end in terms of results. Clearly there has to be an agenda here hidden. Not by the Bros necessarily, but by this ET race. This interview is another example of a lot of the same trails leading to the same place. That place being an agenda.

I also don't get any ill will vibrations from the Gumbys. But why are they here? Especially in an environment that isn't compatible with their own physical being. If they have been whether on the surface or on a ship nearby, why expend the resources and several thousand years just for curiosity sake? Something just doesn't add up.

I always seem to deduce everything down to the DNA components of our species and the harvesting of that. Let alone all the other ET exploits that go on behind our back, along with all these factions just exploiting everything and everyone across the board here on the Planet. I just don't get it in this light. And then to also state that the Universe doesn't have a lot of livable worlds just starts to make feel less valuable than a cow.

This Planet is obviously targeted on so many levels that it makes my hard head spin. How are we supposed to overcome this? The rumor is that we already won. Whoooaaaa! Now that's a statement. But when I look out my window, what do I see? The same old manure with taxes being increased on that. ET factions mining our resources such as gold, eating our children, eating our brothers and sisters, in the meantime we are supplying the sweat equity so that we are also enabling these factions. Where's all the Love and Light in that? Can I rant here? When I ask the question of why are they here, I know they wouldn't be here if there wasn't something for them. I don't buy idle curiosity. I don't buy the idea that they are galactic engineers and are studying us for future worlds. They should ask permission to do so and respect our free agency if this world is truly ours. That also brings up another question that I have asked before. Is this world truly ours or is it our arrogance that gives us that false entitlement?
Anybody?

Maybe something we can do here at Avalon is get a big picture board and organize what we do know based on the proof that we have as to all of these agendas. I mean if they are entertaining a Warrior Forum Project, I would think that part of that would be to include all these known agendas, the who's who behind them in such a fashion that would give us a clear idea of what is going on and why. Just like this forum and all the threads are compartmentalized just like how the PTB do. But base it on the facts and facts based on the proof that we have. Or present such a picture board with all the probabilities and then proceed with the talents here to prove them out. What I see is that there are to many singularities with only one end game that matters. That being the truth. How are we to enter the Galaxy when we are so unorganized to represent this Planet in the first place? How are we going to command that which is our sovereignty as one with the Planet when we know really nothing of what is going on the very world we find ourselves on? I challenge anyone on this forum to at least try to answer some of these questions in a healthy way. If we never try then what are we going to do, because on present course we will all be victims of our own demise? I don't call that taking responsibility. There has to be a point where we have to take a stand somewhere. Then act on that.

I leave my ranting to you.

Blessings!

[Seashore]

Maybe something we can do here at Avalon is get a big picture board and organize what we do know based on the proof that we have as to all of these agendas. I mean if they are entertaining a Warrior Forum Project, I would think that part of that would be to include all these known agendas, the who's who behind them in such a fashion that would give us a clear idea of what is going on and why. Just like this forum and all the threads are compartmentalized just like how the PTB do. But base it on the facts and facts based on the proof that we have. Or present such a picture board with all the probabilities and then proceed with the talents here to prove them out. What I see is that there are to many singularities with only one end game that matters. That being the truth.

Are you saying include the picture board as part of what the Project Light Warrior website will offer?

[mntruthseeker]

I was told praying mantis were from the 8th Dimension by an insider who knows for a fact.

I heard the eating of our children bought up and denied which also bothered me. If they are reptilians its no surprise that they have used us for their meals for eons. So did some evolve out of that? This has been brought to my attention before. oh boy more thoughts popping up all the time

I too have many questions especially when its to be aligned with what TPTB's decide to do. Who needs them ? Who really cares if they are forced off this planet forever ?

I would like to see this happen without their assistance and I guess its up to us.

One thing I do know is I didnt walk away feeling any type of fear. We have no chance against them was said so we all know they could of taken us over anytime......unless it goes back to whether we ask for assistance or not.

NOT

[Seashore]

I heard the eating of our children bought up and denied which also bothered me. If they are reptilians its no surprise that they have used us for their meals for eons. So did some evolve out of that? This has been brought to my attention before. oh boy more thoughts popping up all the time


Maybe it's only the Draco reptilians that do this.

[mntruthseeker]

who knows Seashore The description of T-Rex was something else that made me think of the mantis

I guess I will have to go look at the site that was put out here once before that had some very good pictures.

[Seashore]

who knows Seashore The description of T-Rex was something else that made me think of the mantis

I guess I will have to go look at the site that was put out here once before that had some very good pictures.

I guess I don't understand.

You're wondering about the eating of children by reptilians (T-Rex) brought up and denied?

How does the mantis fit in?

[eleni]

Is there really any proof of reptilians eating people?

[Seashore]

Is there really any proof of reptilians eating people?

This is not proof, I guess, but Stewart Swerdlow writes about it in graphic detail in Blue Blood, True Blood. If you're not familiar with Stewart, here is his biography:

http://bielek.com/stewart.htm

[eleni]

I'm all too familiar with Stewart. I don't mean that in a negative way- I survived Montauk as well and indeed he was one small portion of my memory (as later confirmed by him) . That said........I am still quite awed at the *intact memories that seem to go on forever regarding these projects*. Why?
Because number one- drugs and serious mind control devices were implanted.

I have terrible childhood memories of Montauk (LSD, sexual situations, weird rooms ET's, murder, etc) yet none of my memories involve reptilians eating
people. That is not to say I am an authority on it, and maybe if I underwent hypnosis specifically on Montauk I would uncover way more than my conscious memories are allowing me to remember.

I do however remain skeptical of a lot of his claims. Not to say some are not valid- but many seem far fetched.
Please don't forget, A LOT of drugs and mind control went on there and it's easy to make people believe things using technology etc; we have to remember where the Montauk project originated from.

[mntruthseeker]

I guess I don't understand.

You're wondering about the eating of children by reptilians (T-Rex) brought up and denied?

How does the mantis fit in?

Kerry asked about the reptilians eating our children and it was denied.

Also the descriptions of the T-Rex was all too weird and he said it looked insecticide (maybe I was just taking too much in tonight) My mind maybe just foggy. Guess I need a rest



Eleni, I feel for you and wonder if you ever heard of Robert Bruce

http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/

I heard him speak and this man may be able to help you and he doesnt charge a thing. A real hero in my book but when I heard him on C2C he was advising people with questions like yours to send him an email

[Seashore]

I'm all too familiar with Stewart. I don't mean that in a negative way- I survived Montauk as well and indeed he was one small portion of my memory (as later confirmed by him) . That said........I am still quite awed at the *intact memories that seem to go on forever regarding these projects*. Why?
Because number one- drugs and serious mind control devices were implanted.

I have terrible childhood memories of Montauk (LSD, sexual situations, weird rooms ET's, murder, etc) yet none of my memories involve reptilians eating
people. That is not to say I am an authority on it, and maybe if I underwent hypnosis specifically on Montauk I would uncover way more than my conscious memories are allowing me to remember.

I do however remain skeptical of a lot of his claims. Not to say some are not valid- but many seem far fetched.
Please don't forget, A LOT of drugs and mind control went on there and it's easy to make people believe things using technology etc; we have to remember where the Montauk project originated from.

eleni,

I had no idea you had this in your biography!

In the chapters "Blood-Ritual & Ceremony" and "Ritual in Red" of Blue Blood, True Blood Stewart writes about himself functioning as the "Vessel" in sexual ritual involving the "God" and "Goddess."

Have you met Stewart? Another (former) Avalon member claims in this post that Stewart was not in the Montauk Project and in this post that he knew him personally, but would not give details.

My sense is that Stewart has overcome the mind control he was subjected to, but of course, I don't know. You said devices implanted. You're referring to a physical device that would have to still be controlling the individual? How about yourself?

You're familiar with Duncan Cameron, Al Bielek, and Preston Nichols and their claims? I am very interested in your perspective. For sure, the story is bizarre. I'm interested in what parts you think are untrue.

Bless you, eleni. You survived. Stewart has said most Montauk children did not.

Have you posted your story on another thread?

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

all this reminds me of one of my favourite computer games ever.. reptilians , star gates ect

YouTube- Turok 2_Seeds Of Evil_Gameplay (N64)

intersting game ..

[Luminari]

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww178/luminari_2009/DiamondLogo77.gif

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww178/luminari_2009/rolling_stones_hot_rocks_64-71_a-76.jpg


Great interview Bill & Kerry!

Thank you Clay and Shawn :thumb_yello:

[eleni]

MNtruthseeker- I loved Robert Bruce's book- I feel it's one of the best books on inner journeying/astral travel out there.
How do you mean he can help?



I know Preston- not Al or Duncan C. Did you know Duncan O's father worked at Montauk?

As far as meeting Stewart and the thread you linked as well as my very long story in a nutshell.......

I am supposedly part of the Lebensborn program (Mengele genetics program) I was sold on the black market to a prominent family and I grew up on Long Island.

If I wrote my story it would out famous people who are still alive and I cannot do that due to my family circunstances.

So I can write parts of it. If my mother passes I wil write it all out (my adopted father is dead) however my biological mother is in hiding and has been for many years as she is still very scared. Hopefully one day she will come forward as well so that the public can gain a better picture of what this program entailed.

During her pregnancy she was moved to Nevada (from Northern Europe) after 5th month to New York where I was born. Her room mate was another
pregnant German girl. The OB/GYN who was in charge of the women during their pregnancies (name Dr. Weinberg) committed *suicide*. His daughter however is still alive...

My (bio) mother won't talk much about my natural father- she says he was CIA and he had *these eyes* and she was raped.......it's very traumatic for her to speak about.

I know I'm not saying anything of Montauk but I am just giving you my background info.

In late 2001 I was walking in the small village I lived in with my then 18 month old daughter. I was not living in NY- I have not lived there in 20 years.
A disheveled looking man walked up to me and said he knew me/recognized me. I said "really" and he said yes, you grew up on LI, right? I said "yes"
and he named the town I grew up on. I was intrigued. Then he said he had worked at Brookhaven and asked me if I knew it. I said I had heard of it.
He said- I know you from there and Motauk. I thought he seemed a bit crazy for saying all this but he was onto something as I had retained all these weird conscious memories. He then walked me over to his car and opened his trunk where he pulled out 2 books- one of them was Blue Blood True Blood . I went home and read them and I thought he was even crazier.

Not because of the subject but I just found SS's book to be far fetched.

It wasn't until years later that I even saw a pic of SS and I instantly recognized him so I contacted him. He said he knew me and that the man in the village was a plant and that the event was designed to be a trigger event.

I wish I could answer your question in regards to SS. I do recognize him though- very similar to the male I was placed with on regular basis back then but as I say that one closer to my age. I think I can say SS was involved at least in the Reichian portion. I have no idea if he was indeed sent to Montauk chair etc; I can say one other thing 100%- this is going to sound very weird but they had this way of placing one in an alternate reality/matrix where you were asked to carry out a duty (whether it be taking someone out etc) and you were led to believe you were another person. Hard for me to convey this so maybe this will make more sense this way- you can be such and such an age but they had the ability to make you older and another person entirely to carry out a mission (usually not a good one). I don't know how this works though- it seemed more real than strictly a form of mind control.

The 2 males I was placed with on a regular basis were closer to my age.
I do not know where they are now nor do I know their names. Only their faces from way back then.

Sorry, I have not provided more info on Montauk. It really would take my writing a book to explain whole story and there are parts I don't want to delve into as it's scary/traumatic.

Yes, I have an implant. I don't know who put it there (aliens or humans working with them) it's near crease where my ear attaches head on right ear. I can feel it. it emits codes. I wish I could have it removed.
People can see it too- there is a bump where skin covers it but you can feel that it is shaped perhaps like a tiny rod.

[eleni]

Seashore- Yes, the story is bizarre- there are so many parts to it and I certainly don't have the full picture because I was used in one portion (pretty sure) which involved the genetic program combined with Reichian sexual programming used to harness etheric energies (my analysis of it anyhow)
to further power their programs.

So I would be the last person to know. However I can say 100% that drugs were used on us as small children. Specifically LSD. I have memories of being on an acid trip as a young child. I really don't want to go there because it was very scary for me.

There were times when I would get back to my house with vomit all over my nightgown and everyone in the house was under some sort of deep sleep and I couldn't wake them up.

I used to wake up without my underpants. I would find them sometimes at the bottom of the bed or they would be missing entirely.

I need to stop writing this now- I am starting to cry.

[eleni]

BTW- on another forum (the one where Clay and Shawn and Source A have their own section) there is some interesting talk about the blob/biosuit ET's.

Seems they are from a lower dimension than us.Has to do with them being older containing different parts of which they are made up of. I found it interesting reading to say the least......

[Seashore]

I know Preston- not Al or Duncan C. Did you know Duncan O's father worked at Montauk?

No, I didn't!!

[Seashore]

I am supposedly part of the Lebensborn program (Mengele genetics program) I was sold on the black market to a prominent family and I grew up on Long Island.

:mfr_omg: I'm starting to cry. It's going to take me awhile to be able to read the rest of this...

[mntruthseeker]

thats a very touching story and my heart goes out to you Eleni

For some reason I felt you needed help remembering your story but I see you have it all inside.

Robert Bruce is a man that everyone would love as he is such a kindred spirit

He helps people and from what little you mentioned I could tell you had quite the past. Nothing that I would care to venture and I know it was not your doings. He helps people move on so to speak

BTW- on another forum (the one where Clay and Shawn and Source A have their own section) there is some interesting talk about the blob/biosuit ET's.

Seems they are from a lower dimension than us.Has to do with them being older containing different parts of which they are made up of. I found it interesting reading to say the least......

hmmm then I can say for certainly that I do not care for this type of alliance at all. I am going to go check out their website or any other to see if I can find a picture of what they looked like.

My friend has assured me that many many are coming to help us and that I will trust.

[El Ragoczy]

It is Wonderful seeing that the Diamond Rocks are from the Heart of the Sun, that they are aligned with All that Is, and that they give us Light and Love, Christ Buddha Dragon Abundance, Joy and Compassion

Blessings

El Ragoczy

[Seashore]

It wasn't until years later that I even saw a pic of SS and I instantly recognized him so I contacted him. He said he knew me and that the man in the village was a plant and that the event was designed to be a trigger event.

This kind of thing (trigger event) sounds very familiar to me after reading many Illuminati News posts.


I wish I could answer your question in regards to SS. I do recognize him though- very similar to the male I was placed with on regular basis back then but as I say that one closer to my age. I think I can say SS was involved at least in the Reichian portion. I have no idea if he was indeed sent to Montauk chair

In my mind I associate the chair more with Duncan Cameron than Stewart. I just checked my copy of Stewart’s Montauk – The Alien Connection. It says, “At Montauk, I was also trained to feed energy and information to the psychic in the chair who was hooked up to mind control computers.”

you can be such and such an age but they had the ability to make you older and another person entirely to carry out a mission

Absolutely fascinating. And no crazier than time travel.

Yes, I have an implant. I don't know who put it there (aliens or humans working with them) it's near crease where my ear attaches head on right ear. I can feel it. it emits codes. I wish I could have it removed. People can see it too- there is a bump where skin covers it but you can feel that it is shaped perhaps like a tiny rod.

You can’t have it removed because it would endanger you?

[Seashore]

I need to stop writing this now- I am starting to cry.

:wub2:

[Seashore]

BTW- on another forum (the one where Clay and Shawn and Source A have their own section) there is some interesting talk about the blob/biosuit ET's.

Seems they are from a lower dimension than us.Has to do with them being older containing different parts of which they are made up of. I found it interesting reading to say the least......

Thanks...

Are you active on that forum, too?

[Seashore]

I wish Camelot would interview Stewart Swerdlow.

[mntruthseeker]

I just listened to five minutes of video of Stewart and I too would love to hear an interview of his.

I almost feel like I lived a sheltered life when I hear the stories of other.

Its hard to put down the right words to tell someone how sorry you are that they had to endure such terrible experiences. Its also time the whole world knew all about these things

Eleni, I can't imagine you caring to protect the very people that put you through this unless of course you fear for yourself and family. I truly think they created this hell on earth and deserve nothing

I sit here and wonder how all of this could of gone on for so long as the rest of us just bitched about things that now seem so small.

[Seashore]

Its hard to put down the right words to tell someone how sorry you are that they had to endure such terrible experiences. Its also time the whole world knew all about these things

Eleni, I can't imagine you caring to protect the very people that put you through this unless of course you fear for yourself and family. I truly think they created this hell on earth and deserve nothing

I sit here and wonder how all of this could of gone on for so long as the rest of us just bitched about things that now seem so small.

I'm getting all choked up again... :wub2:

[Jacqui D]

Hi Eleni, i know this has gone off the thread a bit but just wanted to say it breaks my heart when i hear what you went through, hey! what happened to our e.mails get in touch again or i will e.mail you loved talking to you, your a brave girl coming on telling us all this :tears:.
Back to clay and shawns interview, well now we have another race of ET's to contend with :nono:
Really interesting i thought Kerry gave her best yet in line of questioning kept the chat on form and gave us a lot of info.
The annoying thing is that we did not get much more out of it than any other interview.
Just a race we had not heard of before.
I feel these beings are of a much higher density also the whole structure of their make up just tells me this.
Would love to have heard their dialogue how did they put it like rocks hitting an empty tin bucket lol!!
Amazing.
Now the reps was interesting though i have heard so many stories about reps being good ones, the only thing i can say is that the two i had an experience with last year were the total opposites, i have now been told they were brothers war lords, one was pure evil this was the one that raped me, the other brother gave me healing and was very compassionate towards me so i have to say not all are bad!!
Do they eat our kids?
I really have my doubts on this but some have witnessed it in rituals wasn't it princess diana herself of the english royalty who witnessed this in the royal chambers?
Of course this is all speculation but we just don't know do we!

[Seashore]

Hi Eleni, i know this has gone off the thread a bit but just wanted to say it breaks my heart when i hear what you went through, hey! what happened to our e.mails get in touch again or i will e.mail you loved talking to you, your a brave girl coming on telling us all this :tears:

Should we have a new sub-forum set up for victims of mind-control programs to post their stories? “Contactees” doesn’t fit for this, does it?

What do people think?


Now the reps was interesting though i have heard so many stories about reps being good ones, the only thing i can say is that the two i had an experience with last year were the total opposites, i have now been told they were brothers war lords, one was pure evil this was the one that raped me, the other brother gave me healing and was very compassionate towards me so i have to say not all are bad!!

Jacqui D,

Have you shared your story on a thread? Can you post the link?


Do they eat our kids?

I believe investigative reporter Greg Szymanski (http://www.arcticbeacon.com/greg/) may be another source on this.

Does anyone know of any other sources who have interviewed witnesses to this?

[Karen]

Do they eat our kids?

I think they do:

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Warning: this is quite graphic in some places ( and not too impressive in others)
The first 3 minutes is music.
Then Alex Collier tells what he knows.

[Karen]

Well, let's put it this way - I think some of them do eat children.

The ones talked about by Clay and Shawn were 16 in number, and were possibly a part of group saved from a ELE (extinction level event). And it was claimed they do not eat humans.

There could be many, many reptilian lines of evolution.
They have traveled widely in our galaxy ...
Alex Collier said they were dumped in the Draconis system quite some time ago.
He said they live underground on earth (gave a specific number of them) and there is a deal - if they don't come out, the greys and associated humans will kidnap the children and deliver them to the reps - alive. They don't eat dead humans.
If you want the more graphic parts - watch/listen to the above video.

Some reptilians eat children, some don't.

[eleni]

Seahore/MN/Jacqui-

I'm not active on the other forum- I read it on occasion but do check out the Clay and Shawns info on there- the diamond people (don't know what else to call them) supposed come from a lower vibrational level.....it was interesting to read. Forum initials OM.

Thanks for understanding- difficult to talk about this aspect without getting upset.

When I worked with late John Mack we went back to the time I was in mother's womb and it was discovered I was being abducted even back then/DNA tampered with. I have no idea how this was done or what exactly was done.

I would like full disclosure on all of the related MKULTRA (for lack of better term if that is indeed the true term) projects so that we who have been used can come to a better understanding (maybe that's too hopeful) of what went on. And the implants we have been implanted with taken out under best medical supervision etc;


Jacqui- I had a eye headache that lasted over a week after I emailed you- I wasn't sure if it was a coincidence. I'll email you again as I enjoyed conversing with you.

MN- I don't wish to protect them but I think if you understood more of my background you might understand. Also my adopted mother has a handler, this handler was my father's mistress and is my mother's best friend and is part of this whole mess. She is a key Illuminati figure- I have already said too much but she knows I know. And she is alive and ticking at almost 85 years, looks quite young etc; Once she dies I have no issue outing her name....


Also due to my family and their circle publicity would draw attention, everyone I grew up around was/is Illuminati- this covers political figures, major media, major corporations, royalty, key religious figures, etc;

So I can't just come out in the open and tell my story . Bill and Kerry do know it as I have told them face to face and without going into too many details Kerry even worked for my late father.

[mntruthseeker]

that was very fair and right to the point Karen

I enjoyed the interview that was presented but I have my doubts regarding any reptilians species at this time.

I know that they are not the only ones out there and I still have hope that we can turn this around and end their existence.

Wish the world would cave around and crush all the underground facilities.

We need clarification of who set up that meeting and who the hell was in the room.

[Seashore]

He said they live underground on earth (gave a specific number of them) and there is a deal - if they don't come out, the greys and associated humans will kidnap the children and deliver them to the reps - alive. They don't eat dead humans.

I'm learning this for the first time...

I have been thinking only in terms of the 50/50 hybrid Illuminati re. their need to maintain human form...

[Karen]

I know that they are not the only ones out there and I still have hope that we can turn this around and end their existence..

There may be a way to do that ... if it pans out with a plan, I'll post more.

I watched the video again that I recently posted above.
Part of the testimony was from an Alex Collier Video.

Then part of this document was being read:
http://www.metatech.org/A06/whistleblower_dies_ufo_conference.html
It was written by the James Casbolt that is a member of this forum.

After an introduction the rest is :
"The following are excerpts from the interview Dean Warwick completed with Dave Starbuck a couple of weeks before his death. This regards missing children, military/Extra-terrestrial involvement and the planned American holocaust."

The proof of the children being attacked, terrorized and then eaten comes from reports and testimony coming from government, military and police - from Dorset (UK) Police, coroner's reports, Scotland yard, MI5, MI6, CIA, FBI, NSA.

Dean Warwick: "... I have it from a police officer involved direct from Dorset police. Every week they find 7 to 8 children in the New forest that have been ..."(too horrifying, if you want to read it follow the link)

[mntruthseeker]

I recognized James name once I heard it on the video as I have followed his thread on this site and I have always believed in Alex Collier.

Listening to the video and all that has been brought my way just was a bit too much. I can't stop crying although its not the first time.

What makes my stomach sickened is the actual way it happened. I guess I dont know what I thought. Of course it hurts but I truly believe that its a lesson learned.

I will never understand this.

I went through alot of Ortho's postings tonight and guess I'm a gluten for punnishment but I do want to know.

How can we believe that this meeting at the UN has any of us at heart ? To me its just a ploy for them to completely take over.

So we are right in our decisions and Kerry is right on in her estimation of all of this. We need to watch who and what we want coming in and certainly not do anything to accept them to take over take our world


In this interview that Clay and Shawn gave it didnt go pass me that it was mentioned not to "bow down" to anyone. I say bow down to none of them and keep them to the rules that were written.

We really need to do this on our own although like I have said before, I have an inside person that is helping me understand alot of this. I am going to write to her and ask her what she knows about this meeting.

I understand Kerry's questions to Steven Greer so much now and I guess that hit hard. We all want disclosure but not at the cost of being invaded

Anyhow, disclosure is already happening and it is us that are bringing it about.

On another site I heard Clay or his brother Shawn say that when asked to just bring all their craft down someplace they were asked "where?" Any country would just assume that they would be the rulers then. Hmmmm

[no caste]

I would like full disclosure on all of the related MKULTRA (for lack of better term if that is indeed the true term) projects so that we who have been used can come to a better understanding (maybe that's too hopeful) of what went on. And the implants we have been implanted with taken out under best medical supervision etc;

eleni - FYI. On another thread, I posted this info. Here's a portion. I wonder if the National Security alumni or other government contacts, wherever they may be now, can help with some of the issues you mention. I can give you the name of a good doctor, too, in Canada, if you'd like to pursue a private investigation. He'd likely be expensive to a non-Canadian.

Psychotronic Weapons Letter To Senate Committee

(The following letter is alarming and vital to the understanding of how far the issue of psychotronic weapons and projects aimed at controlling American citizens and people everywhere has progressed. This letter is dated February 9, 1994. The organization involved is no longer available at this address below. Ms. McKinney is said to be occupying a much lower profile these days. Nevertheless, this is an important document to consider)

Association of National Security Alumni Electronic
Surveillance Project P. O. Box 13625
Silver Spring, MD 20911-3625

February 9, 1994

Chairman John Glenn
Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs
340 Dirkson Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
...

Letter on thread: Are you a victim of Voice2Skull technology?
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=162745

Also, I haven't listened to the 3+ hour interview, just the 3 minute blurb. I really have no idea if there is child-eating going on by ET's. All the feelings I get about it do not point to it. I am more inclined to think it's the military, genetic experimentation, sadistic perversions of {'illumes'}, tissue/ organ trafficking, sexual slavery and other work arrangements. I really do not know, but I wonder if it's a facet of mind control, to induce people to think it's primarily a reptilian 'threat'. I doubt the army is helicoptering it up, just to help feed ET's. I think they are building and maintaining armies, etc...

Another FYI: As I was going through some old threads, I saw these and am posting too, as all it poses interesting questions:

Blondes,red heads, blue eyes, MK ULTRA, and the fringe
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5411

1 million children go missing every year in US and the UK!
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10021
missing chilren/hidden army ??? conspiracy of silence
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17711

[Karen]

I'm learning this for the first time...

I have been thinking only in terms of the 50/50 hybrid Illuminati re. their need to maintain human form...

The video I posted said the blood saturated with the terror hormones of serotonin and adrenaline are what allow them to be very psychic - otherwise they lose this power. So when you are trying to fight a reptilian, they know every move you are going to make, which was the guy's point at the end - to fight them while *thinking* about something else.

And here is another thought - the reptilians associated with the diamond beings could eat one thing in front of those watching - only having to dine terror saturated blood periodically.

[Seashore]

The video I posted said the blood saturated with the terror hormones of serotonin and adrenaline are what allow them to be very psychic - otherwise they lose this power. So when you are trying to fight a reptilian, they know every move you are going to make, which was the guy's point at the end - to fight them while *thinking* about something else.

And here is another thought - the reptilians associated with the diamond beings could eat one thing in front of those watching - only having to dine terror saturated blood periodically.

The species of reptilian associated with the Illuminati hybrids is Draco.

Shall we call the species associated with the diamond beings T-Rex?

Alex Collier said the reptilians living underground who do this were dumped in the Draconis system? Are they the same Draco as the Illuminati hybrids?

[burgundia]

My question would be: Do they multiply in their underground bases? Their lifespan is so long that with each passing year they would need more food...

[Seashore]

I have created a new thread for any additional posts related to removing implants and other support for mind control program victims: "Support for Victims of MKULTRA Projects."

[Lionhawk]

God.... This is such a tragic subject all the way around. All these sinister agendas are truly horrific. I can understand why people just stick their heads in the sand. But that only makes the matter worse.

God Bless you Eleni. It takes great courage just to bring it up and discuss it in front of those that you have no idea how they will react. Facing your fears and keeping your head out from under the sand is also a true test of your spirit. I applaud all of your efforts as it is something you carry for the rest of your days. I do hope you work through it to clear it or neutralize it for your peace of mind.

This topic with the Draconians is the hottest priority on my list. I also appreciate Alex Collier for bringing this to the mainstream in 1994. What really sucks all the way around is the apathy. Then add the snide comments from those and the debunkers who never get out of their chair and it just makes me want to throw my hands up in the air and just say screw it. But what keeps pulling me back in a flash are all the violations being done to everyone of the Creator's Kingdom. It just irks me to no end. Then to have the dark duplicate the light and propagate their love and light false agendas just keeps me in flames.

I don't care if you see this stuff go down in the physical or the etheric. It is all disturbing and I'm being polite when I say that. It also redefines the Universe as one of being very sick by the horrible choices certain entities have chosen. It has created a lot of trust issues with me as well. I hear people say there are good reptilians. That maybe so but do I trust them? I don't trust any of them. Even the good ones. If they were all that good then why do they allow their kind to do the atrocities that they do? Why don't they as a race do something about it? Take responsibility for their own kind. You know why the benevolent races stand back and watch in horror like we do. Because they are scared diaperless as well. That war of 600,000 years is a reminder that hasn't been forgotten.

What I am doing in spiritual terms is trying to get to the bottom of it. It is very obvious to me that the so called Galactic Federation of the dark side has put it out there that the Draconians have been uncreated using Christ Michael's name. A lie disguised in love and light. Alex Collier claims they were dumped here. I asked the question, by who? Think about that for a minute. Who would have that kind of power or authority to do that? And why here? Someone didn't do their research as to what havoc that would create. Or was this the best choice as to the better of several evils? Or was there the consideration that we could handle this? That is another thing that gives us an edge if we can raise above the wasteful snickery comments is that we can raise our intelligence and ask some profound questions.

By metaphysical means I have determined that they were exiled. I had a vision of a White Dragon who resides on the other side of the Black Hole and I think he was the one who exiled them here. He is a King of all Dragons and what I found was that he is a noble King. Not an evil one. This to you, the reader, please consider this all speculation. It was shown to me that I know this King and him and I have an agreement and I was also given the authority to speak on his behalf. I was also shown that I did finally negotiate with the Draconians to cease all activities. This would also create a domino effect where all activities would also stop from all these malevolent ET agendas currently involve on the Planet. That would also stop all projects such as anything difinitive as Montauk.

Now we have also a new player on the block. This has been validated by only a handful of people and I am currently working with some of these people who have encountered these beings. I use to call them Black Hole Agents. But apparently we have pegged a new name on them called the Goblins. Because that is what they look like. They are also not evil but could be suspected that way because of their appearance. We have learned that they are Keepers of the Portals in this Galaxy and who else knows where. This has also been crossed validated by the readings some of these people have received or by experienced contacts. Everyone I know has had contact with them. So in that sense we are all contactees as it were. We have all received information that cross references each other as well without the other knowing each other. Interesting as far as the validation process. We even think we may have filmed them but we haven't gotten that far as of yet as a solid determination. Billy Meier has also had contact with them. But you never hear about that. That was how I met them to begin with. Through Billy in the etheric. I was tested 6 years ago and since I passed their test, I was given a gift. That gift was installed 1 month ago. It is called the Flower of Life. The true living version of it. Not the 2D version of it. I got this gift 6 years ago and I just thought it was something cool to look at. They apparently installed it into my auric field and I have carried it since that time. At the time I received it, I had no idea of what it was. None. I was ignorant of it's existence. Someone here in this forum recognized what I had and installed it in a matter of speaking. It actually installed itself but that person here was able to get the process going and I thank this person very deeply for doing that. The Goblins have been monitoring me as one turned to the other and said, "Numb nuts just figure it out." Call me slow. It took 6 years for this to come about. And these developments have been in the last 3 months as to the validation process. We are still working on that but what has kept us from proceeding further is the dark side's interference. We are starting to come out of that as it has been challenging to say the least. That is another reason for all of my warnings as of late. We are striving forward despite.

We also deployed it as a test. You can say it can be used as a weapon. But I have chosen not to use it in those ways. I figured I was entrusted with this gift. On the deployment of it, we did get a response. The deployment was for activation purposes only and there was no mal intent behind that deployment. But what happened really caught these Draconians by surprise. Because upon the activation of it, it brought them up to the surface. They then sent out an investigation team loaded with technology to find the source of what just hit them. They came up empty and their leader was not happy about it at all. He's still not happy. Ask me if I care about that? Another thing I have been pursuing is the agreement I have, if any, with this King. What I have figured out when writing this post is that when I have done my scans to the source of where these Draconians were dumped, I am always brought in front of this Black Hole. What I have figured is the reason for me not being able to go through the Black Hole is that the sacred geometry I have within me is not the same kind of geometry on the other side of the Black Hole. I would be utterly destroyed if I was to proceed through it. Even if I was to be able to get through, my internal geometry would not be compatible with the geometry of the other side. If that kind of thing even existed on the side is unknown. So now I am faced with the tracking of this agreement by other methods. My reasoning for doing this isn't because I am not afraid to stand before these Draconians, it is because I would rather be packing with something more than a plasma rifle when I do face them. Like some kind of authority of this King would be most helpful as no shots would not need to be fired and I would not end up for dinner fare. Even that might not work as there are no guarantees. But I would at least have a better sense of self about it. I know this sounds really crazy but there has been to much validation going on behind the scenes to just dismiss it as crazy. The people I am working with on this are very credible people. Very dynamic as well. You can try to discredit me and I don't care if you do. My point is that some of us are doing something about it. We are also doing it for free. No book sales, CDs, or conferences. We are doing it for the soul purpose of the ascension process for the Planet. Not to use Eleni, but if she is willing to put her story out there as far as taking that risk, then I guess to honor that, I can at least tell you what some of us are trying to do about that. Many times I hear of complaints about whistle blowers only teasing the masses by with holding information. We have all seen this. I am now working on pulling all the stops and are not withholding this stuff back any longer. It serves no higher purpose to do so because as the clock ticks on by, more kids are being taken for whatever evil purposes prevail because of the apathy. How about more like a 3 or 4 million per year globally?

In 1994, Alex Collier said something about more of them coming here. Well, that takes more resources doesn't it? That was 15 years ago when he said that. A few years ago, I did a scan. A Reptilian ship was dispatched to Antarctica. There were at least 20 to maybe 30 thousand on board this ship that I saw dock. Loaded for bear comes to mind. That was only one ship and I wasn't looking for it to begin with. I was trying to check out what the Galactic Federation was doing. So I have to ask now how many are here as 1850 doesn't ring true anymore for me. Are they planning something on a major scale? We have a huge problem here. I did this scan 5 years ago and I remember it like yesterday. And now I do realize that they came from Alpha Draco because I saw that too when I saw how far away they were coming from. Many if not all of them were warrior class with short tails. Now what disturbs me is that I didn't even know about Alex Collier till about 4 months ago. Figure that one out for me. I have been in the field doing and not spending my time in a chair all these years looking all this stuff up because I am not into second hand information to begin with.

Then there is a part of me that says to know the enemy. Conventional technology is not what is required here with these things. You might get lucky but the odds of that are slim. I have in my mind, with all my background training, military, street, martial arts, and the rest of it, and have simulated many different scenarios and came up dead. The only one that proved any effectiveness was the Flower of Life. Now I have not tested the Merkaba in these regards, but maybe I need to do that next because the Flower of Life also shown to me that I now carry the Merkaba. I am a baby with these new additions. The Flower of Life has many levels to it. Again it was that deployment test that really worried them. It is about frequency and if you are working on any area at this time, make sure you do work on this Merkaba thing. I don't know that much about it to be honest with ya. But when we had that thread going on and the subject came up on the 19.47 factor, there is a link to what I have discussed there. Sorry that the thread was slammed shut as that link was also slammed shut with it. Now why that couldn't have been pursued in a healthy manner somewhere else is beyond my understanding. It was about the 19.47 degrees in relation to the sacred geometry and what that means. So I leave this with you. And for those out there who are not interested in taking a risk from your chair, I hope you don't have any kids show up missing. I'm not referring to the ones who have serious problems. I was talking to the ones who are able.

Namaste'

[mntruthseeker]

You are another reason I can walk around with hope and love in my heart today Lionhawk...................


I have done nothing but thought about all that has been put out there from this interview and also what Eleni has mentioned. I also thought about all that the brave James Casbolt has put out there himself and the Watcher

I have always felt Alex Collier was speaking the truth but I just didnt know what was being done to help our cause as Humans.

I know what has happened to my very own son and just lately getting the full extent of how horrible his own life has been. It doesnt set easily with me because I was so blind.

I would dream that possibly the people such as Dr Waterman and others out there would be the extent of it. How sad that I never trusted our own Creator to step in.

I have some pretty awesome friends that do not tell me what to do but instead direct me to Christ and consciousness.

Thank you for sharing all that you have as I now have tears in my eyes knowing all that I asked for last night is being brought to light.

I have 11 grandchildren and I would never want any of them to go missing.

Im no young girl that can go slaying any draconians but instead pray and meditate and work on spreadiing the word. I certainly would hate to know that there is something more I can do that I am not so far. I just got off oxygen and I am now getting around pretty good. I am making progress in waking up my family members and I feel pretty proud about that.

So I will not take anything you said as a direct insult but instead will thank you for what you are doing. If I can assist in any way which doesnt include running circles anywhere I will be glad to do so.

[Seashore]

Not to use Eleni, but if she is willing to put her story out there as far as taking that risk, then I guess to honor that, I can at least tell you what some of us are trying to do about that.

:wub2:

But when we had that thread going on and the subject came up on the 19.47 factor, there is a link to what I have discussed there. Sorry that the thread was slammed shut as that link was also slammed shut with it. Now why that couldn't have been pursued in a healthy manner somewhere else is beyond my understanding.

I don't know what this is talking about.

Is the thread in "Read Only"?

Title of the thread?

[Seashore]

I am making progress in waking up my family members and I feel pretty proud about that.


:wub2:

[Malaros]

It was interesting that they had information that no one else had. I feel that they believe what they are reporting. After listening to report after report, I feel that htere is a huge amount of stuff that we don't know. Disclose someone, please!

[burgundia]

I feel that they believe what they are reporting. !

i also believe that they believe....however I do not know if this is all true.

[Karen]

:wub2:
I don't know what this is talking about.
Is the thread in "Read Only"?
Title of the thread?

The thread is here: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16944
Avalon & Camelot Reptilian Experiencers

[Karen]

But when we had that thread going on and the subject came up on the 19.47 factor, there is a link to what I have discussed there. Sorry that the thread was slammed shut as that link was also slammed shut with it. Now why that couldn't have been pursued in a healthy manner somewhere else is beyond my understanding. It was about the 19.47 degrees in relation to the sacred geometry and what that means.

Any links in that thread should still work. If you want to start a new thread, I can copy posts from that thread to the new one, if you tell me the post numbers you want in the new thread.

[Seashore]

The thread is here: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16944
Avalon & Camelot Reptilian Experiencers

Thank you very much.

[Jacqui D]

As always Lionhawk you have given such knowledge here for everyone to take heed.
I have been on a long journey since last year when i was attacked, but one thing i can say is that for what ever purpose i was saved from an event which no doubt in my eyes was to end far worse than my mind at this time can comprehend, that outcome was aided by a rep.
I know there are bad and good in all races just as there are in the human race we have to look at this right across the board.
I am not saying that reps do not kill our children and have them for food (this makes me sick just thinking about it) but can we blame all reps for that.
There seems to be a divide here this is how i see it i have heard countless stories where reps aided military actions especially the dulce battle in which these reps were a strong position in destroying such bases where people are held tortured and where the most atrocities take place.
Do we punish all reps and make them on the same level as these evil ones.
You see the problem i have is i can not blame all if only one section is of the dark side.
I think it was Karen said ie: clay and shawn interview source a said he knew they did not eat meat! he saw what they ate, now i would really like to know what it is what they eat this would lay the whole issue to rest, and like Karen said what they did behind closed could have been another matter.
They are carnivorus so it makes sense they would kill for food, but i would like to think some have evolved that they no longer eat meat.
Are we not the same please do not judge me here because i can hear some going oh no! what is she going on about but some humans eat meat everyday, okay some do not go out and actually kill today we do not have to to eat but some still choose to do that.
But those who do it for a living are no less taking lives themselves, not humans i know but still living entities with souls.
I'm getting to deep now i know there is no excuse if these reps are eating our children because it is far more than just killing for food it is energy taking also in a very dark way.
I guess i have trouble with defining this i do not want to see bad in anything but one thing i will say that attack i received was something horrific and i would not wish that on anyone, so i have witnessed the insensitivity from these beings i have seen that evil side i just wish myself lucky i am here today to talk about all this.Sorry if i have upset anyone here by saying this.

[Lionhawk]

Sorry Karen. I wasn't trying to dig up old bones and I didn't mean it in a negative way. I was just being factual about it. My bad. I did attempt to edit what the 19.47 jest was but again I guess I didn't do that right. There was no ill behind the words. I hope you know that.

But to make a long story short, my friend Ammit was hot on that trail of the 19.47 factor and actually came up with another factor that was truly amazing. People questioned what did that have to do with anything but as I discovered it might be what we need to empower ourselves against all these agendas.

Hope that made better sense. My apologies, as I have all this stuff in my head and I forget where I am sometimes. lol

Jacqui D, good to see you again. I understand what you are saying. I have worked very hard to resolve my internal prejudices on this issue. That is why I am seeking a peaceful solution instead of one of combat. But until I can weigh that out as to their actions, I am thinking it is better for me to be on alert no matter if they do claim they are good. I also forgot to mention about primal instincts in regards to this. For instance a horse has a primal reaction when you put your hand up as it emulates a claw from a lion. A memory imprint in the horse's primal sector. Could that also be applied to these good Reptilians? And who's to say that they didn't put on a show and said you guys can't be seen eating humans if they are here visiting us. I don't know these guys or entities to begin with. And if you have a good one mixed up with a bad one, that makes me suspicious to even think on that level. Like good cop vs bad cop routine. You can apply it across the whole board but it doesn't change the fact that I want to party with these entities because whatever role they are playing they are serving the leader of their own kind who is evil. So, even though I don't want any conflict, my street smarts says it is better to be most aware of any of them until their intent is known. Just a joke here, but have you ever asked one if they were vegetarian? Not funny, I know. When I sum it up, I have to keep my wits because I know old habits or behaviors can be hidden for a time when the proper opportunity strikes. Take a gator for instance. Did you know that they will track the patterns of a human? On a daily basis? Till the right time presents itself. A game warden went to a certain dock everyday at the same time. One week later the very same gator he saw everyday sitting still in the water by the dock, ate the game warden for lunch. It's documented fact. You can look it up online. I also choose not to enable them. That has gone on long enough. If I had the talent, it would be interesting to find out the statics on a global scale as to how many kids actually do disappear. Then concentrate on those areas as to finding out how this is being done.

Blessings All!

[Seashore]

It helps me in dealing with the question to think in terms of characteristics of various species in a scientific way than in terms of good and evil.

We don't judge a lion or a tiger or a shark or a boa constrictor for doing its thing when humans are around...

The only important thing is what we do to protect our children knowing what we know...

What are we doing about it??

How can we get our act together?

[Peace of mind]

thru understanding^^

I still think a lot of this is fear based propaganda. I say this only because of the inconsistency in proof. I do a lot of researching and traveling, heard and read many intriguing things, but nothing really stuck because of my skepticism. I try very hard not to intervene in topics like this but do so because there are many reading these boards and find this information fascinating but yet frightening. I do not want to come off in any way other then a responsible benevolent caring warrior for the right cause…the cause to save humanity and helping to maintain a Peace of mind. Anything other then that may be your own ego blurring your vision. I’m not here to judge or make attempts to make others prove what they say is true. I’m convinced that what ever is true will always shine thru. The truth wants to be discovered...it always has.

My only issue is when people claiming of having ET experiences are not really considering others, mainly the newbie’s in need of enlightenment. There are way more lurkers then members on these type of forums (some lurkers I personally put there myself). I like this place, there are many bright folks here and I haven’t seen anyone be disrespectful yet…at least not on purpose (imo).
I’m in a position to help many see the light; I have always been an out going individual. And, at my disposal…I boast heavy influences in the Entertainment biz and in Law. I’m part of a team of musical and visual artist ready to participate in uplifting humanity thru the media and other outlets (A cell/resistance faction). But, there’s a lack of motivation due to people claiming what’s real with no real logical proof…as far as aliens and their agendas. I’ve been longing to expose the dark forces thru these channels and I already have valuable pieces in place. But these pieces can not do an effective job if the information granted to them is fabricated. See my dilemma?

I have great faith in humanity and know for a fact when the time is right they will pull together. I’ve seen this during 9/11 and other occasions. So I’m not worry about people playing their parts when the **** hits the fan. I’m more concerned with the flow of information, can it be trusted.

Make no mistake; this is not a slam on your experiences, not at all. But in waking others you have to be more convincing and display a whole lot of patience when trying to convey or implement plans for all to follow...what I’ve been seeing is sought of like the blind leading the dumb.

The future we all want may be unreachable because of our irresponsible discriminative ways of enlightening others. I do believe in spirituality, meditation, charkas, power of the mind and so on ONLY because I can prove to myself that it works.
To suggest that people be more proactive in they search for truth is an understatement, to say the least. But this stuff is not easily obtainable thru closed minds and can often send the blind followers chasing their own tails…this can be exhausting and discouraging.

So if you want your neighbor to help out, step up, wake up...you need to think how your neighbor thinks, have courage and strength to put yourself into their shoes. If you can’t…than you’re fighting a losing battle. Why? Because you can’t know / or do a thing to the ET enemy when you don’t even know a thing about people on your own planet.

Peace

[Lionhawk]

Well I guess it is how you want to interact with a forum. Pending on what that forum is all about. If I recall this forum is about whistle blowing and seeking truth. Granted that is a different level as compared to a lot of other boards out there. No one said the truth was going to be pretty. I find most of the time that is an understatement. Many of these subjects are hot topics. It can not be avoided. The truth of which is often graphic in nature. The beauty of it is that no one is being forced to read it if they choose not to. And for many it is about coming out of the wood work because they are sick and tired of being treated like idiots because they may have experienced something that is out of this world and finally have some common footing to share in that. I mean if you look at all the suppression of the truth, it is no wonder that the balance of that suppression is finally seeking itself out. So in this case the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.

Also a warrior doesn't hide his head in the sand. He would rather die than to do that or dance around the truth. No matter how fearful that truth might be. The proof is out there. But once you find it can you protect it? There have been many days where I would relish in the idea of presenting the head of a Draconian to the masses. I have traveled all over the States and I have my ideas where there is access to these lairs. But with my limited funding, I haven't been able to exercise those thoughts. I have the will. But it would take a lot of resources to prove what I have seen. Plus the fools or idiots that run this country already have that proof but are to chicken or to cowardly to do anything about it because they have sold us out as well. It's a stalemate with them. If they disclose they know they would be the walking dead.

[mntruthseeker]

Of course the truth is hard to take but we do need to know what we are truly up against.

IMO we have a very good chance at winning this and if there is something that needs to be done.........we will get it done.

I am no longer walking around with my head down so that I missed the turning of the eyes or heads being put down when I come out of my house. I no longer care and the best is the fear is going. I dont even feel the anger as much.

LOL I have even forward information to police stations, embarrassed my family by sticking videos up on Face Book. I send videos to the hospitals and so far no one has arrested me ..... Who cares ? I'm here to turn heads and I love it when one of my sisters call to ask questions now. I'm not about to say "I told you so" but instead feel pretty good with just talking. I'm taking it easy so as not to scare but I do suggest they do their own investigation.

I am hearing story after story of "sightings" of not just UFOs but Aliens. Reports coming in from all over the world. They are here.....Disclosure has started and its not all Reps.

When I first heard Alex Collier years ago, he went in one ear and out the other.......Bill Cooper same thing. Not anymore....because I am more aware and awake.

So even if newbies listen its ok, Its needs to be known

Blessings

[Stargazer1965]

Well, let's put it this way - I think some of them do eat children.

The ones talked about by Clay and Shawn were 16 in number, and were possibly a part of group saved from a ELE (extinction level event). And it was claimed they do not eat humans.

There could be many, many reptilian lines of evolution.
They have traveled widely in our galaxy ...
Alex Collier said they were dumped in the Draconis system quite some time ago.
He said they live underground on earth (gave a specific number of them) and there is a deal - if they don't come out, the greys and associated humans will kidnap the children and deliver them to the reps - alive. They don't eat dead humans.
If you want the more graphic parts - watch/listen to the above video.

Some reptilians eat children, some don't.

Sorry I'm jumping in Late here...

The description of the T rex type from the brothers doesn't really dovetail into the the reptilian types described by many here on earth.

Trex is pretty recognizable...

Funny...Maybe the dinos were "made" into someones elses image


And the reptilians on our planet gave rise to the DRAGON and gargoyle stories.

And catholic cathedrals venerate the gargoyles

HMMM???

[Stargazer1965]

Well I guess it is how you want to interact with a forum. Pending on what that forum is all about. If I recall this forum is about whistle blowing and seeking truth. Granted that is a different level as compared to a lot of other boards out there. No one said the truth was going to be pretty. I find most of the time that is an understatement. Many of these subjects are hot topics. It can not be avoided. The truth of which is often graphic in nature. The beauty of it is that no one is being forced to read it if they choose not to. And for many it is about coming out of the wood work because they are sick and tired of being treated like idiots because they may have experienced something that is out of this world and finally have some common footing to share in that. I mean if you look at all the suppression of the truth, it is no wonder that the balance of that suppression is finally seeking itself out. So in this case the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.

Also a warrior doesn't hide his head in the sand. He would rather die than to do that or dance around the truth. No matter how fearful that truth might be. The proof is out there. But once you find it can you protect it? There have been many days where I would relish in the idea of presenting the head of a Draconian to the masses. I have traveled all over the States and I have my ideas where there is access to these lairs. But with my limited funding, I haven't been able to exercise those thoughts. I have the will. But it would take a lot of resources to prove what I have seen. Plus the fools or idiots that run this country already have that proof but are to chicken or to cowardly to do anything about it because they have sold us out as well. It's a stalemate with them. If they disclose they know they would be the walking dead.

LH....IS there an internet sightings database??

Anyone?

We could actually triangulate sightings using Google earth and some basic cartography to find probabilities of entrance points...

In other words......Find the b@sterds....:hunter:

[Unified Serenity]

Defending yourself or attacking the negative forces is not about muscle power, but rather spirit power. Ever wonder why the Catholic church demonized the wise ones, "Witta" commonly now called "witches"? It is a primary lesson of witches to learn how to control their own energy, how to visualize to thus create above and manifest below.

Few are interested in learning the esoteric arts. I have devoted my life to learning them and mastering them. Is one ever a true master? I doubt it, for there is always another area to focus upon and learn. Few can truly meditate, ground, and center themselves to be in a positive detached and unconditionally loving state. For every spiritual truth there is a counterfeit. How do you know what one you are being presented to learn? That is where the gift of discernment and walking in the true light of the creator comes into play. Be assured that the counterfeit path feels great, looks great, and yet has a slightly off energetic taste to it. You won't recognize the poisonous taste if you have not developed the taste of the true path, and yet therein lies a dilemma. Just talking about a "right" path makes most people's flags go up and hear an internal voice saying, "Warning Will Robinson, Warning". I do not discount that internal voice for it is only with much searching, time spent in prayer / meditation / contemplation that one can know the right path. In my experience, it is not a path that says you have to do things one certain way, but more to the point, it is about where that path is heading.

Does this action free the soul? Does this path lead to more openness and spiritual evolution? Does the outcome of what you are doing lead you into darkness and negative energy personally? Only you can know those answers.

I do know that the entities on the negative path cannot stand true higher vibrational energy. They cannot travel into the upper astral realms, and that is where you need to reside spiritually. Yes, we are in 3d bodies, but spiritually we choose where to walk in astral or 3d. 3d is very low vibrational energy. Lower astral is full of negative energy, and if you want to become a true light warrior you have to learn to reside on a higher level and not get sucked via 3d emotions both high or low (happy or sad/fearful), but rather in a contented state of being that does not become attached to the things of this world. That is much more easily said than done. It is something most mystics work years to attain. Often they leave society because it is just to hard to be an active part of this world and not get sucked into 3d living and emotions. Being detached is not about not caring. It is done with the highest level of love for all souls, and seeking truth no matter what one's pre-conceived beliefs are. In that state of being one can respond to situations and circumstances rather than react. The negative entities rely on the fact that mankind does act like animals and react to situations in pre-determined ways. Stop being a programmed 3d animal.

Much love and respect,


Unified Serenity

[enemyofNWO]

Seahore/MN/Jacqui-

I'm not active on the other forum- I read it on occasion but do check out the Clay and Shawns info on there- the diamond people (don't know what else to call them) supposed come from a lower vibrational level.....it was interesting to read. Forum initials OM.

Thanks for understanding- difficult to talk about this aspect without getting upset.

When I worked with late John Mack we went back to the time I was in mother's womb and it was discovered I was being abducted even back then/DNA tampered with. I have no idea how this was done or what exactly was done.

I would like full disclosure on all of the related MKULTRA (for lack of better term if that is indeed the true term) projects so that we who have been used can come to a better understanding (maybe that's too hopeful) of what went on. And the implants we have been implanted with taken out under best medical supervision etc;


Jacqui- I had a eye headache that lasted over a week after I emailed you- I wasn't sure if it was a coincidence. I'll email you again as I enjoyed conversing with you.

MN- I don't wish to protect them but I think if you understood more of my background you might understand. Also my adopted mother has a handler, this handler was my father's mistress and is my mother's best friend and is part of this whole mess. She is a key Illuminati figure- I have already said too much but she knows I know. And she is alive and ticking at almost 85 years, looks quite young etc; Once she dies I have no issue outing her name....


Also due to my family and their circle publicity would draw attention, everyone I grew up around was/is Illuminati- this covers political figures, major media, major corporations, royalty, key religious figures, etc;

So I can't just come out in the open and tell my story . Bill and Kerry do know it as I have told them face to face and without going into too many details Kerry even worked for my late father.


Eleni ,
This is off topic but my wife has a similar story . Illuminati families , adoption , stepmother an asset of the secret police and lover of a powerful politician .

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/feedback/25-04-2007/90425-australia-0

Also I just finished writing a book about it it is called : " ESCAPE FROM AUSTRALIA a gangstalking primer "

[Antonia]

Reptilians and humans are exactly the same….
Humans have eaten each other throughout history in various cultures… The Maori’s in New Zealand ate in to extinction the other tribe that lived there once… In Papa New Guinea, they were eating their enemies up until a few years ago…Most customs of cannibalism believed that by consuming some one else you derived power from them just like reptilians eating our children.
There is a small island on the south Pacific, can’t remember the name, my brother visited last year (near New Guinea) were they ate the school teacher not so long ago as he was sexually molesting the children but they believed the needed to execute him for this but they ate his flesh as they believed they would gain his knowledge, that he had because he had been a highly learned man as well as a paedophile…
Humans as well as reptilians engage in sick black magic ceremonies which deal with the negative controlling side of manipulation of matter and the matrix.
Humans as well as reptilians are also light workers, christed beings, healers, and highly evolved spiritual manipulators of matter and the matrix…

Why do we believe it is OK to mass breed, cows, pigs, sheep and hens, in terrible cramped, light free, drugged up conditions and then line them up in Abattoirs were they see all the animals in front of them being slaughtered so they die in fear. Many only stunned and not dead when hacked up for meat consumption?
Why do we allow Hal Al meat? Here the animals are strung up and their throats cut and they bleed to death in pain and fear?
How can we allow the pig meat industry keep sows in Steele crates were they cant turn round or move, then impregnate them artificially, allow then to remain in these crates though out their pregnancy and then give birth still unable to move… they are kept like this for moths and months on end???
Why do we separate baby bulls from their mothers at two weeks old and ship them off to veal crates were that too are attached to a bar , in a crate were they can’t sit down or turn round so that their muscles don’t harden and force feed them milk down a hose pipe… they are kept alive lie this for a few moths before being slaughtered…So our vealis nice and tender? Never mind the pain and torturous life, the end is a blessing , the trauma for them and their mother after being pulled away from each other is noted scientifically as immensely cruel. Cows and pigs like humans produce oxetocin (The bonding chemical and feel emotional stress and grieve as well as feel deep attachment… How can we delight in Foi grass pate, were geese are force fed untilthier liver lituraly explode whilethey are still alive naturely they die in agony…and we get that great yelloe bile flaver in the delacacy pate? How de we allow Japamsese trawlers to catch baby sharks and cut their tails and fins off for shark fin soupe then throw them back in to the sea alive were they die slowely at the bottom of the sea?? How this is possible in a supposed civilised society??
Then all those horrendous video’s on Youtube of thousands of Dogs and cats being skinned alive in China for their fur… you can see totally skinned dogs still alive on the floor, taking up to fifteen minutes to die after being skinned??? Who are we as a collective who commits such atrocities on weaker defenceless living beings??
Even the Elohiem, in the Genesis after making the heavens and earth and man, said “And I give you dominion (In Hebrew it means guardianship or Stewardship) over all the animals on the land and the beasts in the sea and all that crawl and walk on four legs and …We give you all the plants and seed bearing trees and seed bearing fruits AS FOR YOUR MEAT..” So even the Annunaki Elohiem at this point were against eating flesh, so it seams… Many researchers believe the original Elohiem to be reptilian and female
It looks like the dark manipulation of matter through black magic crept in much later and so did the renegade reptilian faction who took over and drank blood and demanded blood sacrifice in the temples etc….
Humans and reptilians exploit less advanced spices for profit, power, consumption and many other nefarious reasons… But thankfully the majority of humans do not approve of this practise in theory, even thought they continue to by their Sunday roasts at the cheapest supermarket… I guess some reptilians would be the same….

[Seashore]

Eleni ,
This is off topic but my wife has a similar story . Illuminati families , adoption , stepmother an asset of the secret police and lover of a powerful politician .

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/feedback/25-04-2007/90425-australia-0

Also I just finished writing a book about it it is called : " ESCAPE FROM AUSTRALIA a gangstalking primer "

I thought this post was important so I started the thread "The Tricks 'Democracies' Use to Hide Corruption & High Level Crimes."

[Seashore]

Reptilians and humans are exactly the same….


Antonia,

Thank you. This is one powerful post. :wub2:

[Lionhawk]

Also to clarify what I use to relish in as far as ideas, that has passed. Unified is very correct in her posting as to how this works. It's when we react that gets us into trouble. To operate with a resonate frequency instead of a frequency we would judge within ourselves as higher or lower is the key to getting things done the way we should be getting it done.

[NicholaQuinn]

I think Kerry and Bill are providing us with some brilliant information. The Pickering brothers interview is just one example of this.
I had never heard of these two until I found them both on Project Camelot.
I found there audio interview fascinating and I will definatley be looking forward to hearing more of them.
Kerry and Bill keep up the good work.x:thumb_yello:

[burgundia]

Thank you Antonia for your post!!!!!!!!!! You should post it on all threads. I am tired of humans complaining how they are treated by other species, tortured or eaten. We do the most despicable things to other creatures on this planet. So stop accusing others until you clean up your own act.

[enemyofNWO]

Reptilians and humans are exactly the same….
Humans have eaten each other throughout history in various cultures… The Maori’s in New Zealand ate in to extinction the other tribe that lived there once… In Papa New Guinea, they were eating their enemies up until a few years ago…Most customs of cannibalism believed that by consuming some one else you derived power from them just like reptilians eating our children.
There is a small island on the south Pacific, can’t remember the name, my brother visited last year (near New Guinea) were they ate the school teacher not so long ago as he was sexually molesting the children but they believed the needed to execute him for this but they ate his flesh as they believed they would gain his knowledge, that he had because he had been a highly learned man as well as a paedophile…
Humans as well as reptilians engage in sick black magic ceremonies which deal with the negative controlling side of manipulation of matter and the matrix.
Humans as well as reptilians are also light workers, christed beings, healers, and highly evolved spiritual manipulators of matter and the matrix…

Why do we believe it is OK to mass breed, cows, pigs, sheep and hens, in terrible cramped, light free, drugged up conditions and then line them up in Abattoirs were they see all the animals in front of them being slaughtered so they die in fear. Many only stunned and not dead when hacked up for meat consumption?
Why do we allow Hal Al meat? Here the animals are strung up and their throats cut and they bleed to death in pain and fear?
How can we allow the pig meat industry keep sows in Steele crates were they cant turn round or move, then impregnate them artificially, allow then to remain in these crates though out their pregnancy and then give birth still unable to move… they are kept like this for moths and months on end???
Why do we separate baby bulls from their mothers at two weeks old and ship them off to veal crates were that too are attached to a bar , in a crate were they can’t sit down or turn round so that their muscles don’t harden and force feed them milk down a hose pipe… they are kept alive lie this for a few moths before being slaughtered…So our vealis nice and tender? Never mind the pain and torturous life, the end is a blessing , the trauma for them and their mother after being pulled away from each other is noted scientifically as immensely cruel. Cows and pigs like humans produce oxetocin (The bonding chemical and feel emotional stress and grieve as well as feel deep attachment… How can we delight in Foi grass pate, were geese are force fed untilthier liver lituraly explode whilethey are still alive naturely they die in agony…and we get that great yelloe bile flaver in the delacacy pate? How de we allow Japamsese trawlers to catch baby sharks and cut their tails and fins off for shark fin soupe then throw them back in to the sea alive were they die slowely at the bottom of the sea?? How this is possible in a supposed civilised society??
Then all those horrendous video’s on Youtube of thousands of Dogs and cats being skinned alive in China for their fur… you can see totally skinned dogs still alive on the floor, taking up to fifteen minutes to die after being skinned??? Who are we as a collective who commits such atrocities on weaker defenceless living beings??
Even the Elohiem, in the Genesis after making the heavens and earth and man, said “And I give you dominion (In Hebrew it means guardianship or Stewardship) over all the animals on the land and the beasts in the sea and all that crawl and walk on four legs and …We give you all the plants and seed bearing trees and seed bearing fruits AS FOR YOUR MEAT..” So even the Annunaki Elohiem at this point were against eating flesh, so it seams… Many researchers believe the original Elohiem to be reptilian and female
It looks like the dark manipulation of matter through black magic crept in much later and so did the renegade reptilian faction who took over and drank blood and demanded blood sacrifice in the temples etc….
Humans and reptilians exploit less advanced spices for profit, power, consumption and many other nefarious reasons… But thankfully the majority of humans do not approve of this practise in theory, even thought they continue to by their Sunday roasts at the cheapest supermarket… I guess some reptilians would be the same….

The above post by Antonia is very appropriate and timely . We human have an inflated opinion of our own species . When I hear by some whistle blowers that we humans are special it makes me laugh . Yes special feeding lot , special living containers full of vitamins, hormones and other biologically produced compounds that enhance the senses and capabilities of Alien visitors . I can imagine that we are prized as human guinea pigs for genetic experimentation , cross breeding with other species for the final goal of achieving a more advanced form .
The funny part is that if we really think that we are so special respect to other species that share this planet with us , how come we are so cruel to members of our own species that are of different religion , race , education or sexual inclinations ?
How come we tolerate the fact that thousands of children are victims every day of famine and preventable diseases . 2 billion people live with less that $2 a day . Is this a civilization worth fighting for ?
Are we as a species worth worrying about it ?

[Jacqui D]

Thank you Antonia, this is exactly how i feel, you have said it how i could not.




Humans as well as reptilians engage in sick black magic ceremonies which deal with the negative controlling side of manipulation of matter and the matrix.
Humans as well as reptilians are also light workers, christed beings, healers, and highly evolved spiritual manipulators of matter and the matrix…

Why do we believe it is OK to mass breed, cows, pigs, sheep and hens, in terrible cramped, light free, drugged up conditions and then line them up in Abattoirs were they see all the animals in front of them being slaughtered so they die in fear. Many only stunned and not dead when hacked up for meat consumption?
Why do we allow Hal Al meat? Here the animals are strung up and their throats cut and they bleed to death in pain and fear?
How can we allow the pig meat industry keep sows in Steele crates were they cant turn round or move, then impregnate them artificially, allow then to remain in these crates though out their pregnancy and then give birth still unable to move… they are kept like this for moths and months on end???
Why do we separate baby bulls from their mothers at two weeks old and ship them off to veal crates were that too are attached to a bar , in a crate were they can’t sit down or turn round so that their muscles don’t harden and force feed them milk down a hose pipe… they are kept alive lie this for a few moths before being slaughtered…So our vealis nice and tender? Never mind the pain and torturous life, the end is a blessing , the trauma for them and their mother after being pulled away from each other is noted scientifically as immensely cruel. Cows and pigs like humans produce oxetocin (The bonding chemical and feel emotional stress and grieve as well as feel deep attachment… How can we delight in Foi grass pate, were geese are force fed untilthier liver lituraly explode whilethey are still alive naturely they die in agony…and we get that great yelloe bile flaver in the delacacy pate? How de we allow Japamsese trawlers to catch baby sharks and cut their tails and fins off for shark fin soupe then throw them back in to the sea alive were they die slowely at the bottom of the sea?? How this is possible in a supposed civilised society??
Then all those horrendous video’s on Youtube of thousands of Dogs and cats being skinned alive in China for their fur… you can see totally skinned dogs still alive on the floor, taking up to fifteen minutes to die after being skinned??? Who are we as a collective who commits such atrocities on weaker
defenceless living beings??

[Seashore]

Humans as well as reptilians engage in sick black magic ceremonies which deal with the negative controlling side of manipulation of matter and the matrix.

Can someone recommend to me a source that explains how this is accomplished? Can it be called technology?

[mntruthseeker]

United Serenity............thank you very much for your wonderful insight

Antonia ..................... thank you for helping me get over this terrible sadness that has been with me since with all said on this thread. Your words were powerful and needed during this time. I knew in my heart that there were humans doing this but that thought was buried with the idea IMO they were not real human beings. How naive of me to thing that.

Love and Blessings to all of you

[Carol]

My husband, who has a very good BS meter, listened and walked away disgusted saying Clay and Shawn Pickering were lying. I too am very suspecious of what they had to share as it is not consistent with other reports and who is to say that their source is not a disinfo agent just out there to create more confusion among the general pop.:thumbdown:

[eleni]

I don't feel Shawn and Clay are lying- rather Source A could be feeding them disinfo and now the fringe public are eating it up......even the forum members over there are having an issue.

Enemy of NWO- thank you for sharing your wife's story.Very interesting.

If I were a human eating reptilian, I would want to make sure my source of meat was pure and free from drugs, pollutants, etc; people of planet earth don't fit that criteria. Don't people think they would be discerning? As to eating earth's children because they are more pure- that is also untrue because average newborn is born with hundreds of contaminents. Something to think about.

I would guess they have pure farms out there (somewhere) where the atmosphere and feed given suit their needs.
This is all just a guess or maybe they are as stupid as the average earth human who doesn't care what chemicals go in their body?


I also don't believe in reptoids or human Illuminati members that shapeshift (they only wish they could). People give them more esoteric power than they deserve.

[Seashore]

I too am very suspecious of what they had to share as it is not consistent with other reports...

There's a first time for everything...

[Jacqui D]

These two guys sounded legit to me but as Eleni said their source may be the one feeding dis info.
I have been trying to find the post on The watchers link but because it was pulled i feel the information i was looking for may have been in these postings, basically what barry king was saying and warning was "look out for further whistleblowers coming out of the woodwork in the near future!" they were not the exact words so please do not quote me but he was saying that this will be something happening!
Are clay and shawn dis info's i do get the feeling they are telling the truth as far as the information is given to them.

[Lionhawk]

It was also a long interview and I thought it was well done. However it really didn't do a thing except get me thinking to myself that I got nothing. I am sure Kerry and Bill felt the same way. I bet you they will change their strategy on that for the next one.

[Antonia]

Hi Seashore...you wanted some one to explain how humans like reptilians use black magic ritual to manipulate mater and the matrix... well from Montauk and Dulce (high tech) to Illumiati child sacrifice rtuals to Vodoo ...

Here's an excepert from Human rights country of origin report for an Asylem case I'm working with.... its from 2009...
This stuff happens in many countries on the African continent...and is openly talked about... In countries like the UK or the USA it's all very hush hush and deep under ground... and parctised by factions of the elite... I'm not trying to pick on Nigeria here.. it's just that the report just happens to be about Nigeria as I am dealing with a wonderful, brave, wise and compasionate beyond beliefe indeviual. who is Nigerian and represents all that is inspirational of her natal people and culture and who happens to be seeking asylem here in Irelandd for other reasons..(not on grounds of Vodoo) but this was in the long detailed human rights report, so I'm using it as an example..



TRADITIONAL RELIGIONS AND RITUAL KILLINGS

19.11 The Canadian Immigration and Refugee Board (IRB) Research Directorate published a response to a country of origin information request, dated 22 July 2005, about the prevalence of ritual murder and human sacrifice and reaction by government authorities. An associate professor and chair of the Department of Anthropology at Franklin and Marshall College (Pennsylvania, USA) was consulted. The professor stated:

“ ‘Ritual murder’ is actually a legal category, a holdover from the British colonial days that can be prosecuted under Nigerian law. It refers to the killing of human beings for ritual purposes (one of which might be characterized as human sacrifice)…ritual murder covers all delicts [offences] that relate to the murder of people and the use of human parts for any magical purpose, whereas in sacrifice the killing of a person to mollify deities is the point. A sacrifice seems more central to religious practice and even more dignified in some sense than what ‘ritual murder’ is meant to cover.” [38c]

The professor also added that anyone is a potential victim of ritual killing, although the old are considered to be of less value than the very young and fertile. [38c]

19.12 Regarding how effective the authorities are in investigating ritual killings, the professor said:

“‘In the past, there have been few arrests - but a lot of splashy press coverage. In the ‘Otokoto saga,’ however, there were some quite important people arrested, several of whom were executed. According to published reports, there have been a few, other cases where arrests have been made as well. But mostly the idea of ritual murder sits there and people fear it, not least because they think the police and courts have been co-opted by the wealthy murderers.’ ” [38c]

19.13 The IRB Research Directorate also consulted a professor at the Africana Studies and Research Centre at Cornell University (USA), who explained that:“Human sacrifices involve the participation of the community in a formalized manner, while ritual murders are individual acts, often performed following consultation or with the participation of a shaman or witch doctor, and are designed to call the favour of the gods onto an individual.” [38c]

19.14 In February 2000, the IRB Research Directorate also consulted a Lagos-based lawyer and director of the Constitutional Rights Project NGO, who explained that: “Ritual murders are not usually associated with any particular group…ritual killings are perpetrated mainly by ‘native doctors’ who have been involved in this since time immemorial, mostly through traditional cultic practices that have nothing to do with modern-day cults…those who perform ritual murders are individuals working for their own profit.” [38c]

19.15 A report by Leo Igwe, published by Earthward, in 2005 added:

“Generally, ritual killing is a common practice in Nigeria. Every year, hundreds of Nigerians lose their lives to ritual murders, also known as head-hunters. These head hunters [sic] go in search of human parts – head, breast, tongue, sexual organs – at the behest of witchdoctors, juju priests and traditional medicine men who require them for some sacrifices or for the preparation of assorted magical portions [sic]. Recently, there have been several reported cases of individuals who were kidnapped, killed or had their bodies mutilated by ritualists in Nigeria…and now, the question is: why do Nigerians still engage in such bloody, brutal and barbaric acts and atrocities even in this 21st century? For me [Igwe], there are three reasons for that.

“1. Religion: Nigerian is a deeply religious society. Most Nigerians believe in the existence of supernatural beings, and that these transcendental entities can be influenced through ritual acts and sacrifices. Ritual making constitutes part of the people’s traditional religious practice and observance. Nigerians engage in ritual acts to appease the gods, seek supernatural favours or to ward off misfortune. Many do so out of fear of unpleasant spiritual consequences, if they default. So at the root of spiritual killing in Nigeria is religion, theism, supernaturalism and occultism.

“2. Superstition:- Nigeria is a society where most beliefs are still informed by unreason, dogmas, myth making and magical thinking. In Nigeria, belief in ghosts, juju, charms and witchcraft is prevalent and widespread. Nigerians believe that magical portions [sic] prepared with human heads, breasts, tongues, eyes, and sexual organs can enhance one’s political and financial fortunes; that juju, charms and amulets can protect individuals against business failures, sickness and diseases, accidents and spiritual attacks. In fact, ritual-making is perceived as an act of spiritual fortification.

“3. Poverty:- Most often, Nigerians engage [in] killing for money-making purposes. Among Nigerians, there is this popular belief in a special kind of ritual, performed with human blood or body parts that can bring money or wealth, even though such a belief lacks any basis in reason, science or common sense [sic].

“For example, there has never been a single proven instance of any Nigerian who became rich through a money making ritual. And still the belief in ‘ritual wealth’ or ‘blood money’ remain strong among the people, and features prominently in the nation’s media and film industry. Most times, what we hear are stories and speculations founded on ignorance and hearsay. For instance Nigerians who enrich themselves through dubious and questionable means, like the scammers who swindle foreigners, are said to have indulged in money-making rituals using the blood or body parts of their parents, wives, children or other close relations. So driven by ignorance, poverty, desperation, gullibility and irrationalism, Nigerians murder fellow Nigerians for rituals.” [36]

19.16 The Norwegian Landinfo (Norwegian Country of Origin Information Centre) 2006 Fact-Finding Mission Report on Nigeria added further:

“Asylum applications presented by Nigerians [in Norway] regularly contain claims that the applicant fears persecution from persons or groups threatening to use occult powers, or juju [italics in document]. This is the common term in Nigerian English for all religious practices with some sort of basis in traditional African animist religion. Such practices are common among the substantial minority of Nigerians who are neither Christians nor Muslims, but they also influence the religious life and outlook of many Christians and Muslim Nigerians, whose religious practice must be categorised as syncretistic. Even more importantly, many Christian and Muslim Nigerians who themselves will not get involved in rites and rituals associated with traditional religion, may still regard occult forces as very real influences to be reckoned with in their lives. Thus the fear of being a victim of other people’s (attempted) manipulation of supernatural forces is very widespread. As Pastor Dayo Olutayo put it, ‘many are suspicious that people are after them, and think they don’t succeed because of other people’s evil intentions’. Pastor Olutayo also stressed that it is not unusual that people blame other people’s use of witchcraft as an excuse for not dealing with their own problems.” [40b] (p18)


Naturely the legal document says that nothing has been proved to work.... But they (tribal people and rich western illumanati alike) would not be doing it for thousands of years if didn't work. As does light work , positive prayer and healing also work. on the same principles. The matrix is neutral and can be manipulated for both positive and negitive just like any othe rform of energy.... I hope I make sense to you...

[eleni]

FWIW- Bruce Maccabee has met Source A and verified his identity.

[Seashore]

Naturely the legal document says that nothing has been proved to work.... But they (tribal people and rich western illumanati alike) would not be doing it for thousands of years if didn't work. As does light work , positive prayer and healing also work. on the same principles. The matrix is neutral and can be manipulated for both positive and negitive just like any othe rform of energy.... I hope I make sense to you...

This document is describing superstitition, right?

I have gotten the impression lately from programs that I've listened to, that there is magic that is practiced that encompasses some kind of technology that secret societies know about but we don't.

I don't know...

[Karen]

I please to find this thread verify the truth of the Alex Collier story.
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15860

[TRANCOSO]

Last night I listened to the interview & I really, really enjoyed what I was hearing.

Most important quote: "There will be disclosure, when contact is imminent."

[TempestGarden]

My 2 cents on this topic since a few of you mentioned them in this discussion. The beings that people refer to as the "praying mantis"-like entities are known as the Aethien as I understand it. More info here in the Keylontic Dictionary online...

Aethien:

The Aethien are not organic to your three-dimensional frequency band (see: HU) nor they are from parallel or adjacent Earths. Rather they originate from galaxies existing within the dimensions of adjacent Earths, which places them in our interdimensional/extraterrestrial category.

They represent a species superior to that of the Zeta, and come as emissaries of peace and growth toward brotherhood of all species.

Often appearing with the Zeta are the tall skeletal-like beings that upon closer inspection resemble in structure your earthly preying mantis insect.

These being are usually whitish or golden in color and can stand up to twelve feet tall.

The Aethien always work as teachers.

[Antonia]

Hi again Seashore.... The technoligy you talk about , like the 'superstition' end or the black magic ritualistic stuff are interconnected... I think it goes somthing like this....
It is all based on vibration. Mater is vibrating atoms and the speed at which they vibrate, gives form and the apperance of different structures of these groups of vibrating atoms.. Consciousness is what decides the speed of the vibration..
Vibrtaing waves emited from our DNA caused by emotion and the subsequent release of hormones connected to that emotion, also effect the attoms around that wave and attract similer vibrations and waves...

So energy and vibration can have a knock on effect or a magnetic effect...
with technolagy they can create waves and vibrations and manipulate atoms ,light, consciousness, and trancend some dimentions and attract other similer vibrations which influences events and emotions andt thoughts...
If they have supper computers, Muntalk chairs, technical man made stargates and devices that alter the brains waves and down load things in to your sub conscious or direct conscious it is all what some would discribe as magic
putting curses on people and causing bad things to happen is a build up of negitive enrgy or blocked energy, with powerfull mall intent and the knowledge of how use the force, so to speak, it becomes black magic. Or were there is intent to manipulate or harm...


Some people have learned to affect waves abd vibreations at will and certain cerimonies amplify their intent and vibrational output.
Blood is very important in a lot of ritual magic as it is firstly water (Look at the effect the moon alone has on water) and then steeped with DNA, Hormones and all metals and minerals... which are easily influenced by vibration and can act as energy transmittoers and receptors as well as antena's, magnets, interdimentional portals and much more, as well as basic energy based message transferal systems

Whether a person uses technolagy or their own biological and astral capabilities... to manipulate mater,light, vibration, time amd space , to me it's all the same... but this is only my interpritation ,I'm not sure if I've made any sense to you...

[Seashore]

Hi again Seashore.... The technoligy you talk about , like the 'superstition' end or the black magic ritualistic stuff are interconnected... I think it goes somthing like this....


Antonia,

This is fantastic!! Very helpful. Thank you so much. I think I get it...

[Antonia]

Great ... Seashore... I still think, if Clay and Shawn are telling the truth and or their source is telling it likw it is... that these beings sound like beings that live on Stars and not planets... They are made of the same stuff as the Sun, like salamaders or sprites...etc..

[eleni]

My question about these beings is why would they need a spaceship with observation decks???

[Dogma]

I am half way through the interview the interview right now (which is very informative) but I am struck at how RUDE Kerry is being with these guys!

Its unbelievable. Instead of thanking them for their volunteered work, she is belittling
their research abilities and going on and on at how their info isn't really of any value. Frankly, I am embarrassed for her!

I guess we all have bad days...

[Spregovori]

but I am struck at how RUDE Kerry is being with these guys



There is nothing rude in how Kerry is performing this interview.

One can either be direct and "confronting" with the same amount or even more respect than someone trying everyone to like him/her - mediocrity.

As I like to say to people: show me your true face and I will respect you more than if you play nice just for me to "like you"

[Lionhawk]

I also thought that Kerry and Bill did a great job with this interview. I can only imagine what it would be like to sit there and do this interview and not really find out much of anything that is of use to assist us at this time. That interview was at least 3 hours long and it was well done. What I think could be considered rude here is that Kerry and Bill were dragged down a road that lasted almost 4 hours and came up with what exactly? What did we learn? Just that there is another alien agenda out there. What is new about that? So what if the aliens are based in silicon? Aliens come in all kinds of forms. Nothing new there. The only thing I got was that maybe something of value might be forthcoming and that is only a possibility. Do you need to waste 4 hours of tape and everyone's time to establish that? I know that Kerry and Bill have heard so much in terms of possible stories and agendas being put out there and then having to weed the ones that might have some credibility. Sounds like an overwhelming job just to do that. I can appreciate what both of them are trying to do and that is bearing some kind of validation with integrity. That is more important than one's feelings as to how it is being done. There is way more going on here than just emotions. This isn't tell a vision. This is about a real agenda going on here and with a cliff hanger. We should be asking more questions. The agenda isn't very clear here. But there has to be one if these crystalline forms are here. And my flags go up any time I hear about Reptilians. And they're mixed up with this group? Where's the "show me" attitude? This is just another part of the puzzle. Enough said.

[Dogma]

First of all, OBVIOUSLY good journalism requires being abrasive from time to time. I am not talking about "feelings" I am talking about a certain level of respect. Has she ever treated any of the other interviewees like that when they were vague? Bob Dean? Miriam Delicado? Let me answer that for you, No.

Even the Greer debate, (although slightly unprofessional), was never discourteous in tone.

Secondly, like you said, Lionhawk, everyone only has a piece of the puzzle. There is no one definitive interview on PC. That is all these guys were offering. Take it or leave it. If Kerry didn't find it very informative, then she shouldn't have posted it.


(Bill, however, was asking insightful questions, as usual).

[no caste]

First of all, OBVIOUSLY good journalism requires being abrasive from time to time. I am not talking about "feelings" I am talking about a certain level of respect.

I get queasy often, too. I try to accept it as Kerryisms. I try to glean some of the interview content from discussions on this forum, instead of listening to a lot of the interviews.

Also, kind of pressed for time, so 3+ hours is a LONG time!!

[no caste]

Hi again Seashore.... The technoligy you talk about , like the 'superstition' end or the black magic ritualistic stuff are interconnected... I think it goes somthing like this....
It is all based on vibration. Mater is vibrating atoms and the speed at which they vibrate, gives form and the apperance of different structures of these groups of vibrating atoms.. Consciousness is what decides the speed of the vibration..
Vibrtaing waves emited from our DNA caused by emotion and the subsequent release of hormones connected to that emotion, also effect the attoms around that wave and attract similer vibrations and waves...

So energy and vibration can have a knock on effect or a magnetic effect...
with technolagy they can create waves and vibrations and manipulate atoms ,light, consciousness, and trancend some dimentions and attract other similer vibrations which influences events and emotions andt thoughts...
If they have supper computers, Muntalk chairs, technical man made stargates and devices that alter the brains waves and down load things in to your sub conscious or direct conscious it is all what some would discribe as magic
putting curses on people and causing bad things to happen is a build up of negitive enrgy or blocked energy, with powerfull mall intent and the knowledge of how use the force, so to speak, it becomes black magic. Or were there is intent to manipulate or harm...


Some people have learned to affect waves abd vibreations at will and certain cerimonies amplify their intent and vibrational output.
Blood is very important in a lot of ritual magic as it is firstly water (Look at the effect the moon alone has on water) and then steeped with DNA, Hormones and all metals and minerals... which are easily influenced by vibration and can act as energy transmittoers and receptors as well as antena's, magnets, interdimentional portals and much more, as well as basic energy based message transferal systems

Whether a person uses technolagy or their own biological and astral capabilities... to manipulate mater,light, vibration, time amd space , to me it's all the same... but this is only my interpritation ,I'm not sure if I've made any sense to you...

I think this is a brilliant description, Antonia -. So is the blood sacrifice post. I think people are tuning into these capabilities and feelings (it's what unites us to each other, the blood stories good and bad), which also is why 'vampirism' is hitting mass consciousness in popularity - there is a delicate play of the body's electrical abilities and its mind. There's even a vampire Barbie!

[Seashore]

I am half way through the interview the interview right now (which is very informative) but I am struck at how RUDE Kerry is being with these guys!

Its unbelievable. Instead of thanking them for their volunteered work, she is belittling
their research abilities and going on and on at how their info isn't really of any value. Frankly, I am embarrassed for her!

I guess we all have bad days...

I think that Kerry has recently improved her journalistic skills in asking pertinent, tough questions and not allowing the interviewee to almost answer the question but not quite.

I think she demonstrated a passion for the truth and a responsible approach to handling second-hand information put forth by sources who are not on the inside themselves.

[Gnosis5]

Is there really any proof of reptilians eating people?

Ha, ha, ha, good question! In one of my hubby's sessions he processed an incident where on another planet he was a reptilian raping and pillaging and occasionally eating the brains of humans as if they were delicious delicacies.

The humans finally managed to subdue him and I'm sure on some planet there is a legend about my sweet hubby the rapacious reptilian and their very own dragon slayer. That's the truth :-)

blessings,
gnosis

[Gnosis5]

I read your post with great interest. I'm not sure what "esoteric arts" are but have a feeling I did some of that in other lifetimes, sometimes in the negative direction too. It is an understatement to say I still have a long way to go.

Gnosis





Defending yourself or attacking the negative forces is not about muscle power, but rather spirit power. Ever wonder why the Catholic church demonized the wise ones, "Witta" commonly now called "witches"? It is a primary lesson of witches to learn how to control their own energy, how to visualize to thus create above and manifest below.

Few are interested in learning the esoteric arts. I have devoted my life to learning them and mastering them. Is one ever a true master? I doubt it, for there is always another area to focus upon and learn. Few can truly meditate, ground, and center themselves to be in a positive detached and unconditionally loving state. For every spiritual truth there is a counterfeit. How do you know what one you are being presented to learn? That is where the gift of discernment and walking in the true light of the creator comes into play. Be assured that the counterfeit path feels great, looks great, and yet has a slightly off energetic taste to it. You won't recognize the poisonous taste if you have not developed the taste of the true path, and yet therein lies a dilemma. Just talking about a "right" path makes most people's flags go up and hear an internal voice saying, "Warning Will Robinson, Warning". I do not discount that internal voice for it is only with much searching, time spent in prayer / meditation / contemplation that one can know the right path. In my experience, it is not a path that says you have to do things one certain way, but more to the point, it is about where that path is heading.

Does this action free the soul? Does this path lead to more openness and spiritual evolution? Does the outcome of what you are doing lead you into darkness and negative energy personally? Only you can know those answers.

I do know that the entities on the negative path cannot stand true higher vibrational energy. They cannot travel into the upper astral realms, and that is where you need to reside spiritually. Yes, we are in 3d bodies, but spiritually we choose where to walk in astral or 3d. 3d is very low vibrational energy. Lower astral is full of negative energy, and if you want to become a true light warrior you have to learn to reside on a higher level and not get sucked via 3d emotions both high or low (happy or sad/fearful), but rather in a contented state of being that does not become attached to the things of this world. That is much more easily said than done. It is something most mystics work years to attain. Often they leave society because it is just to hard to be an active part of this world and not get sucked into 3d living and emotions. Being detached is not about not caring. It is done with the highest level of love for all souls, and seeking truth no matter what one's pre-conceived beliefs are. In that state of being one can respond to situations and circumstances rather than react. The negative entities rely on the fact that mankind does act like animals and react to situations in pre-determined ways. Stop being a programmed 3d animal.

Much love and respect,


Unified Serenity

[Gnosis5]

Because this is my field of "technology" it always seems a huge outpoint to me that none of these ETs talk about spiritual clearing technologies, or are offering up any emotional healing or spiritual psychotechnologies that would actually help us become a more balanced species which they keep preaching to us. One thing we don't need is another ET religion or cult figure.

[THE eXchanger]

(rec'd in my email)



U.S. military is liaising with extraterrestrial life according to independent sources
December 28, 11:45
Michael Salla, Ph.D.


President Obama and VP Biden with Joint Chiefs of Staff. AP PhotoIndependent sources have claimed an on-going set of face-to-face meetings between U.S. military officials and extraterrestrial life. The sources reveal that senior U.S. Navy officers have played a leading role in an inter-services working group responsible for the meetings, and that different extraterrestrial groups are allegedly involved. One source claims that the contact involves extraterrestrial groups known as Reptilians, and a silicon based life form dubbed ‘the Conformers’. Another source claims that the extraterrestrials are called Ebens from the Zeta Reticuli star system, but known colloquially as the Grays. A third source claims that human looking extraterrestrials representing an association of star nations are liaising with military officials. Two of the sources have been interviewed by this writer who has been aware of their claims for more than a year, and finds them credible. The similarities in these independent reports gives reason to conclude that an ongoing program of secret meetings involving senior military personal from the U.S. Navy and other military services with one or more extraterrestrial civilizations is underway.

One source claiming to have participated in face-to-face meetings is a serving U.S. Navy officer that in February 2008 revealed the existence of a confidential set of meetings at the UN where UFOs and extraterrestrial life were discussed. Known as Source A, the Navy officer claims that he was sanctioned by a working group comprising a number of admirals to disclose the UN talks without revealing his identity. In June 2008, Source A claims he was assigned to another project that involved direct meetings with two groups of extraterrestrials in a covert project where he was sanctioned to board their spacecraft on three different occasions. One group is a Reptilian looking species, and another is a silicon based life form he dubbed the ‘Conformers’.

This author and a number of other researchers have met with and interviewed Source A, and have been able to confirm that he is a serving U.S. Navy officer. Recently, two New York based UFO investigators, Clay and Shawn Pickering, gave a three hour interview concerning Source A’s involvement in a covert project involving face-to-face meetings with extraterrestrial life. They revealed that a covert inter-services working group has attempted to brief President Obama about the extraterrestrial liaison project. Given Source A’s identity and unlikelihood that more senior U.S. Navy officials would sanction a serving officer to openly misinform the general public over extraterrestrial life, there is reason to take his claims of participating in a covert project involving face-to-face meetings very seriously.

An anonymous source associated with the Defense Intelligence Agency recently claimed that military officials on November 12, 2009, met with extraterrestrials called Ebens, from the Zeta Reticula star system, on Akau Atoll in the Johnston Islands. The alleged meeting was part of an ongoing set of diplomatic discussions and exchanges that date several decades. The information was the latest installment related to an alleged classified project called Serpo, a secret exchange program with extraterrestrial visitors from Zeta Reticulum. According to Victor Martinez, who maintains a large email list where he distributes Project Serpo reports released to him by ‘anonymous’:

… the Ebens met on Akau Island with a total of 18 representatives from the U.S., United Nations, Russia, China, the Vatican and certain other guests. U.S. representatives are said to have included five military personnel, two intelligence officers, one linguist and one person representing the Obama administration.

The Johnston Islands are a U.S. territory and lie 750 miles south west of Honolulu. That places the Islands directly under the military authority of Pacific Command that historically has been run by the U.S. Navy. Although the latest Project Serpo release does not identify the service of the five military personnel at the alleged meeting, the choice of Johnston Atoll suggests a leading role for U.S. Navy officials in the latest face-to-face meeting.

The Serpo story raises considerable controversy with many inconsistencies in the claims of the sources revealing the Serpo information. Nevertheless, there are many events revealed in the Serpo story that are very likely based on real events such as President Reagan being secretly briefed at some point about extraterrestrial life. A number of Reagan’s public statements are circumstantial evidence that he did receive such a briefing. An alleged transcript of the briefing was released as part of the Serpo material in November 2007. This author’s assessment is that the Serpo releases mix real events with fiction in an officially sanctioned acclimation program. While the Serpo material requires much discernment given the level of disinformation in it, it is very likely that it accurately reveals the existence of secret military meetings with extraterrestrials, but mixes this with contrived details. The implicit leading role of the U.S. Navy in the alleged Akau meeting is consistent with the revelations of Source A.

The third and final anonymous source has revealed face-to-face meetings between U.S. military officials and human looking representatives of extraterrestrial civilizations. Again officers from the U.S. Navy are described as playing an active role, and are deeply involved in promoting public disclosure of the existence of extraterrestrial life. What distinguishes this alleged set of military meetings with extraterrestrials is that according to the source, the meetings were convened due to distrust over the way a covert international control group initially called “MJ-12” ” (current name unknown), has been managing information and technology concerning extraterrestrial life. The various military representatives were apparently shocked over the extent to which “MJ-12” has deceived them in oversight and management of extraterrestrial affairs.

In conclusion, there is very real dissatisfaction in the U.S. military, especially officers from the Navy, over the way in which extraterrestrial affairs has been secretly run and managed by a covert transnational group initially known as “MJ-12. The dissatisfaction can be traced back to an incident involving a Vice-Admiral serving as the head of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff who was denied access to a covert extraterrestrial related project under corporate control. The incident was in June 2008 publicly revealed on Larry King Live by former Apollo Astronaut Edgar Mitchell (see video clip). Since at least 1997, groups of U.S. Navy officers through covert inter-service working groups have been trying to restore military/government oversight over extraterrestrial affairs that has been increasingly privatized in the corporate world.

[Aztar]

Thought i would add some missing links from that very fine article Susan provided:original:

Three hour interview concerning Source A’s involvement in a covert project involving face-to-face meetings with extraterrestrial life.
http://projectcamelot.org/Clay_and_Shawn_Pickering_3_November_2009.mp3

The dissatisfaction can be traced back to an incident involving a Vice-Admiral serving as the head of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff who was denied access to a covert extraterrestrial related project under corporate control. The incident was in June 2008 publicly revealed on Larry King Live by former Apollo Astronaut Edgar Mitchell (see video clip). =>
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[golfsierra]

You're familiar with Duncan Cameron, Al Bielek, and Preston Nichols and their claims? I am very interested in your perspective. For sure, the story is bizarre. I'm interested in what parts you think are untrue.


Bizarre is not the right term for it - it's a blatant lie.

Al Bielek (his full name is Alfred Bielek) was proven to be a liar and hoaxer already in 2003. Wondering, why people still refer to his utter nonsense, maybe because his bedtime stories are popping up time after time.
See http://www.bielek-debunked.com
for a full report about him lying.

Best regards,

Golf Sierra