Attributes of the Soul Level of Consciousness

[Carmen]

This came to me recently when I was in America. I did not get the opportunity to share it then so I have created a thread to share it now.


Attributes of the Soul Level of Consciousness or, in other words -- How too recognize when one is in the fourth level state of consciousness.

1) An expansion of consciousness; a feeling of Great Love which includes all people, animals, nature.

2) No fear; fear has no part in this level - no fear of death, which is the bottom line of all fear. This does not mean a 'don't care' attitude toward death or suicidal tendencies!

3) No critizism of others at all. No projection of negative attitudes on to people and circumstances surrounding us

4) A joy, a bubbling joy that forms the basis of soul level, or fourth level consciousness. Gone are the ups and downs, the highs and lows of the lower three levels of human consciousness. The fourth level is the beginning of God-consciousness. This level is strong and constant.

5) The level (4th), is where the 'Inner Journey' truly begins; of 'going no more out'. An inner Referral answers all of our questions - from the big important ones to the most trivial!

6) We, at long last, 'hear' the 'voice within'; the prompting of our True Self - our Inner Master.

7) There is a beginning or a constant strengthening of Trust in Life, in Life's direction. We cannot know all the reasons 'why' things happen the way they do, but we trust the process, the journey.

8) We see the 'good' in all people (even those most difficult in our lives) and with that 'seeing' we bring forth that 'good' in people.

9) We 'let go' of our personalities with its various attitudes, beliefs and prejudices. Our personalities are brought to 'order' under the guidance of our spirit. Our personalities are compelled to 'Be Still - And Know I Am'

10) We know at the fourth level that we are back on track, on the evolutionary journey. We are fast tracking the 'rut' of the personality with its endless reincarnations and slow evolving. We are 'Now' Awake, Alive and Aware of the Spiritual Presence inside of us thats guides us All - Ways

Love:wub2::wub2::wub2:

Carmen

Ps Sorry I lost the colour:nono:

[Seashore]

I like these, Carmen! :original:

Especially "3) No critizism of others at all. No projection of negative attitudes on to people and circumstances surrounding us"

I have been working on this in myself alot lately and I've made some progress! I'm proud of myself.

Is it okay to be proud of myself? :mfr_lol:

[Carmen]

Absolutely Seashore

[Carmen]

Another attribute of fourth level consciousness is that we are generally non-reactive. We are beyond the hurt of others negative emotions or even their positive emotions towards us. (We are not easily flattered!) At the same time (which seems contradictory) we are very sensitive to energies and do not like to be around negative angry people.

Also we cannot, and do not lie in this consciousness. Fourth consciousness beings choose words carefully. Throwaway reactive words we don't really mean are not part of this level. We are called upon to be honourable in thought, word and deed.

Love

Carmen

[Seashore]

I really like these thoughts, Carmen.

What do you mean these came to you? They occurred to you?

Were you visiting someone while in America? (I love that word "America"; gets me all choked up.)

[Carmen]

They came to me Seashore from inner Inspiration, also they are my experiences after many years of teachings from the Ramtha School and also teachers from the many inspirational books that I have read. Every now and then I feel prompted to write down what comes to me. Hopefully they may inspire others as they do me. The trick is to 'live' the inspirational messages. That's the hard part.

Love

Carmen

[Seashore]

They came to me Seashore from inner Inspiration, also they are my experiences after many years of teachings from the Ramtha School and also teachers from the many inspirational books that I have read. Every now and then I feel prompted to write down what comes to me. Hopefully they may inspire others as they do me. The trick is to 'live' the inspirational messages. That's the hard part.

Love

Carmen

Wow. :thumb_yello:

[Carmen]

Another attribute of fourth level consciousness is a feeling of intense 'aliveness', youthfulness. We feel the lifeforce, the Godforce in the body and around the body more intensely. Fourth level consciousness is confident, happy and this feeling spills out to all those around us. This can be seen by others still in 3d as ego! It is not. True movement into this consciousness is accompanied by a deep sense of humility, humbleness, of deep love and gratitude which preclude the old ego.

There is such a thing as spiritual ego though, which is a real trap to those on the spiritual journey. We can wake up, be reborn into spiritual knowledge, feel entirely different, but then think we know it all and set out to convert all those around us to all this stuff. Everyone, but everyone goes through this stage. Its called the evangelical stage!!! Hopefully it passes quite soon and we settle back down to our own learning. Funny thing is eventually we do start to affect those around us because the spiritual becomes very obvious in us. We are happy, we look younger and our lives just seem to work better. We also manifest the things we need in life. Other people observe this and are curious about how we have changed. Then we can tell them, but, we do have to chose our words very carefully. That is another attribute of fourth level consciousness. We can ascertain another persons stage in life and are able to say the correct words, (they are chosen for us) imparted within, to help and inspire that person to the degree that they are ready to hear. Wisdom never overwhelms others, it knows.

Love:wub2::wub2:

Carmen

[THE eXchanger]

lovely stuff, carmen - thanks for sharing it !!!

[burgundia]

:original::thumb_yello::wub2:

[Carmen]

Ta, eXchange, burgundia, seashore, glad you like my ramble!

[bushycat]

Lovely, Carmen. Even if they were not "attributes", they are good guidelines and aspirations. There really is such heaven when we can stay balanced.

Love Always,
Bushycat

[Carmen]

Thanks bushycat, we teach best what we are learning. We are all teachers and students of each other. The attribute necessary for all learning is one of clear-mindedness, open, relatively simple, (childlike),minds, not prone to over analyzing or too much intellectualizing

We must have the ability to still the mind of our personality and to transcend the endless demands of the body. This is where some sort of discipline in the form of meditation, running, walking, candle focus etc comes in. Even staring into a fire is meditation. This is to enable spirit to come forward after a period of time and becomes easy the more we practice.

For some reason,( perhaps because we are so deep in sleep,) it can take tradgety or great difficulty to cause us pause in our lives to seek inside of ourselves for answers to life's questions. The negative is often what catapults us to find answers. It can engender passionate righteous anger that sets us on the path to find answers. I know it did me!

That to me is the only purpose for the negative (the only good purpose). Without the Balrogs (the monsters) there are no heroes! But once we are out of hell (the slings and arrows of the third level) we can put down our weapons. We are beyond the duality of the negative or the positive and can see the value of both!

Love:wub2::wub2:

Carmen

[bushycat]

Yes, beautifully said. And I think also that past negative experiences,and without referring back to them, give us compassion for others. Recalling just how easily emotions can slip in and pull us down helps us understand where someone else might be in a situation.

BC

[giovonni]

Quote from Carmen

"Another attribute of fourth level consciousness is a feeling of intense 'aliveness', youthfulness. We feel the lifeforce, the Godforce in the body and around the body more intensely. Fourth level consciousness is confident, happy and this feeling spills out to all those around us."

Yes~ I'll attest to that Carmen :wub2:
You have that affect!

[Carmen]

Awww! Shucks Gio, You are soo nice. (And Im not being sarcastic!!!)

Love to You :wub2::wub2::wub2:

Carmen

[mudra]

Keep being inspired like that dear Carmen .
I Love Your Light .

From my heart to yours with Love
mudra

[THE eXchanger]

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here's three more, for your collection

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[Carmen]

:blush-anim-cl:Ohh! Ive come over all pink!

[Gnosis5]

Awww! Shucks Gio, You are soo nice. (And Im not being sarcastic!!!)

Love to You :wub2::wub2::wub2:

Carmen

Thank you. What processes did you go through to get to your stage of awakeness?

best,
Gnosis

[Carmen]

Oh God!! Gnosis5, how much time have you got? Its a very long story. I could give you a shortened version I guess. Probably bore you to tears otherwise!!

[THE eXchanger]

yeah, i'm curious, about that too

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gnosis/and, i,
:wub2::wub2:
we are lucky, and, get to eXchange with each other
frequently ~ as, we only live about 8-10 minutes apart

[Carmen]

Well, the initial awakening was rather rough, to say the least. It came about when my 11yo daughter was killed when I was 33. Up till then my life had been full, progressive, interesting, you could say. The things that I had envisioned, dreamed about had largely manifested. You know, all the 3d 'stuff' enough money, new house, husband, three healthy kids, lived in the country. When Charmaine was killed, it was if God picked me up by the scruff of the neck, shook the **** out of me, popped me down again, and said "Now work it out!!"

I was mad as hell! How dare this tragedy happen and ruin the life that I'd planned. (It was all about me!!!!)LOL.Well, anyway that set me on the path to find out what the hell it was all about and I wanted "Truth" !!! No newage touchy feely BS - just the real deal.

I read and I read and I read. Tried to join groups, but none of them measured up. Eventually read Ramtha's White Book and knew that was the Truth. It was like being reminded of something I already knew but had forgotten. Went to the Ramtha School back in 89 in Yelm Washington, then didnt go back again for 12 years. In those interim years I had much learning and karma to go through.

Its one thing to know about something, its a whole different story to live it. But I started to live it and it was bloody difficult. I felt depressed, hopeless trapped and useless at times. I would go up and down like a yo-yo.

Kept reading, many of the books that people have shared here I have read. The learning was gradual, very gradual, but progressive. It was marked by progress, expansion at times that kept me going. I would suddenly 'get' something, 'understand' and my energy would soar. For a time. Then Id crash again, but the memory of that high, expanded time would keep me going.

Went back to the Ramtha School in 04 (I think) when they came to Australia. Thought I'd be way behind all the other students who had been there for years but found that I wasnt. My home study and the **** Id cleared from my life was progressive.

It was a very solitary work. I had some people I could talk to, but not many.

My husband didnt understand any of what I was learning, but we still stayed together although our paths were very divergent. His opposition helped me to move in consciousness.

As I learned, applied what I learned, experienced the learning and understood, my energy increased. One important aspect of change is to accept yourself as you are, warts and all. Sometimes its difficult to access the set beliefs and attitudes that we have aquired along the way, but dig them out we must if we wish to progress.

Its what we see in other people that pisses us off thats the projected 'stuff' we refuse to see or accept in ourselves. Its a humbling experience but well worth it.

With progress, expansion in consciousness comes a corresponding 'power' that brings with it a tremendous responsiblity. We cannot be trusted with power until we have reached a certain level of Love, of Unconditional Love.

That comes when we fall in Love with the fabulous Being inside of Us. That is when we are trustworthy. We realise then that we'd never been in Love before. Not really - it was always needy Love, or lusty Love, certainly very conditional. We are then balanced in our Female/Male, Male/Female aspects. We are sort of complete and never alone. We have a very definite companionship with the God Within us.

This is quite weird talking about all this. I feel sort of naked!!!:lol3:

Thats sort of it.

Love:wub2::wub2::wub2:

Carmen

[Gnosis5]

Oh God!! Gnosis5, how much time have you got? Its a very long story. I could give you a shortened version I guess. Probably bore you to tears otherwise!!


If you feel more comfortable you can pm me or you can break it up into chapters on this thread. The rest of my life is devoted to self-clearing and learning of different clearing modalities, and posting my own clearing insights.

[14 Chakras]

Great insights Carmen. Gratitude for sharing so much. It is helpful to share I think, it is empowering for us all to learn from each others unique and wonderful (while trying) journeys.

I love what you say here:

"Its what we see in other people that pisses us off thats the projected 'stuff' we refuse to see or accept in ourselves. Its a humbling experience but well worth it.

With progress, expansion in consciousness comes a corresponding 'power' that brings with it a tremendous responsibility. We cannot be trusted with power until we have reached a certain level of Love, of Unconditional Love.

That comes when we fall in Love with the fabulous Being inside of Us. That is when we are trustworthy. We realize then that we'd never been in Love before. Not really - it was always needy Love, or lusty Love, certainly very conditional. We are then balanced in our Female/Male, Male/Female aspects. We are sort of complete and never alone. We have a very definite companionship with the God Within us."


For me, I would add 3 items to the wonderful list:


11) We're in the flow of More. We're constantly transcending ourselves. We're always learning More, Being More. We're like curious children on the infinite path of Self discovery and there is infinity More to go. We're students of Life itSelf.

12) We're working on our discernment. We realize that while the universe still has darkness there will always be illusions and deception that can cause us to trip and fall on our journey, so we're continuously working on coming up higher to divide truth from untruth. We're willing to surrender whatever our belief is today for a higher truth, because there's always More.

13) We connect with our personal mission to help raise creation up. We realize the path is one of Self discovery, and as we discover our interconnectedness with All Life, we realize we are here to shine our own unique light on it and share our divine talents to help raise it up. Our definition of Self expands to include our neighbors. We move into the flow of Being the servant of All by helping All connect to it's own inner divinity.

[Gnosis5]

When I first started my clearing work a couple of years ago I was near death and I knew if I died I would die with bitterness in my heart, such was my overall condition at that time. All of this was unacceptable to me and I had done enough research on the internet to know that there were clearing modalities that would get me "home free". Karma busters I called them.

That was my period of effort, negative emotions faced up to. And finally, the prize, the milestone. It it best described in some of the buddhist texts.

While it is a definitive state because of what exactly I addressed -- equivalent of removing the keystone in an archway, and the whole archway collapses -- I am well aware that a degree of vigilance is needed to keep myself cleaned up and cleared up.

What you write above is the type of writings and concepts that I find are more necessary "food" for me to maintain my hard won ability to master my choice of responses.

Learning to keep myself clear and learning to help others to clear themselves is my next definitive milestone. All of this I will take with me to my next consciously chosen lifetime. And I won't be forgetting anymore about previous lifetimes.

See how far I have come from my self-made hell?

[rhythm]

loverly ramble'ing Carmen ....he he he ....

keep it up ..

nice thread

loverly and inspire'ing..

thankyou

rhythmmmm xxxxxxxxx

[Carmen]

Thank you for your comments and further insights on your journeys Gnosis 5 and 14 Chakras.

I have contemplated overnight, my motive in writing all that I have written here because it is important to me. My original personality was an attention seeking one, first as a spoilt child and then as a performer (singer). My tendency was to enjoy attention! I have thought about this and found no, attention seeking is not my motivation here. Some of the people who have inspired me greatly have originally been ordinary people I knew who changed (awakened) and have gone on to do extra-ordinary things. These are the people I have marveled at, then thought 'If they can change like that, if they can achieve, why not me?' So, I am writing this stuff to demonstrate to others here that spiritual growth and movement, complete changes in personality, complete changes in environment and circumstances is entirely possible through spiritual advancement. Anyone can change with knowledge and application.

I have changed in many ways but I still have huge changes to make. This journey is on-going. It never ends. Change and growth is constant. We can indeed rest awhile between changes, but if we get too comfortable and think we know it all we are sadly mistaken. Spirit will eventually prod us into more insights and action, or we may start slipping back into old habits again. This does not happen (slipping back) with attitudes and habits we have absolutely changed and are now wisdom. They are those we keep for eternity. The slipping back ones are the ones we are still working on. Thats what I especially Love about this stuff. What we have resolved into wisdom we get to keep for all Eternity!! Thats neat huh!


Spiritual growth and advancement is not something unnatural or unusual, it is our God given Right. It is entirely natural, but society, governments and religion have closed this down. We have been taught as children to be needy , guilty, dependent. It takes a rebellious, passionate, wild nature often to look for answers. Spirit has to be free to explore, to question, to never bow down. Whatever we are drawn to, whatever we are passionate about, we need to explore, without anyones opinion really. We are our own best council. We can sure listen to what others say, be inspired by what others say and do especially, but our own Inner Self is our prompt and guide in all matters.

Love:wub2::wub2::wub2:

Carmen

[Gnosis5]

Yes, I'm on a crusade for this Universe -- a new rule is being established:

Every being has the right to their own sanity


love,
gnosis

[Jacqui D]

Thank you Carmen your words are truly felt with much emotion.
I am glad to be here with such wonderful beings full of love and light.
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[Gnosis5]

Yes you do help me to have a safe space to express my true self.

[Carmen]

Oh wow! This dialogue is coming thick and fast at the moment!

Another attribute of fourth level consciousness is intense self inquiry. All that we think and do,matters. Our thoughts are primary. This is what Ramtha and others teach, and it is what I have come to learn. Our thoughts are creative, they will eventually be outpictured in our reality. If you are constantly arguing and critisizing someone in your head, you sure as hell are going to have a ding dong row with them in your future!!!

Intense self inquiry is to question our motivatation of our thoughts and actions. Is this behaviour coming from my GodSelf or is it coming from my ego. Take anger, fighting for instance. My old self loved a good fight!! Got the adrenaline going! I felt alive and passionate. Didn't matter if I emotionally shat over the reciever!! It felt goooooood! This behaviour is addictive, emotionally addictive!!! After we have spewed all our venom out, we feel clear and calm again, wonderful!!! Untill the next time!!! Our victims are still smarting, but our ego feels great and on top:thumbdown: Meantime our Inner Self is silent and shaking its head thinking "When will this Bozo ever learn?" When we learn to 'interrupt' this behaviour and think again we are making progress. The out of control emotional body is something the spiritual student has to discipline if they wish to progress. The Inner Self just waits until we put forward an intention to change, and when we allow 'space' in our 'busy' minds to allow it to reveal its "Presence" and its "Guidance"
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Love

Carmen

[Gnosis5]

Yes, my clearing work made my knee jerk responses to people much milder if not gone altogether. It allows me more time and space to look at what the person is projecting to me and meditating on what within myself caused that. I now have more time and space and analytical ability to address whatever comes at me.

It is very hard to have enemies for long because I can process my enemy too, just by processing that part of them in myself.

This is an ideal and I'm not painting a picture of myself as a perfect saint, but why can't I be?

cheers!
colleen

[Carmen]

Gnosis, a Godlike Ideal is the picture that everyone can be painting of themselves, and should be. Society and religion has taught us that we are delusional or heretical if we aim that high! Rubbish! Jesus himself said, "These things I do, Ye shall do even Greater" Not quite correct but he said something like that. Sounds to me like you are doing just fine Gnosis5 congratulations!

Love

Carmen

[Carmen]

Ramtha teaches at great length on the emotional body. Others probably do to. Candice Pert wrote a book about it. She lectured at the Ramtha School on what she had learnt. In the movie, "What the Bleep Do We Know" there is an hilarious demonstration about the emotional body.

Its not that emotions are bad or wrong. Emotions are what we have through experience. They are natural. The problem is when they are constantly repeated, when we become 'addicted' to them. As I understand it, its the chemicals released in the body, through emotion, that we are addicted to. Its the 'hit' of chemicals, no different than taking drugs. So I'm told (Ive never been a drug taker).Probably had enough of my own through emotions!!!:mfr_lol:

Love

Carmen

[Gnosis5]

Gnosis, a Godlike Ideal is the picture that everyone can be painting of themselves, and should be. Society and religion has taught us that we are delusional or heretical if we aim that high! Rubbish! Jesus himself said, "These things I do, Ye shall do even Greater" Not quite correct but he said something like that. Sounds to me like you are doing just fine Gnosis5 congratulations!

Love

Carmen

Thank you for bringing out that egalitarian aspect of Jesus. I recall he also said we are his brothers and sisters. And his beatitudes were a study in equanimity.

Gnosis

[mudra]

It is very hard to have enemies for long because I can process my enemy too, just by processing that part of them in myself.

cheers!
colleen

I really understand this ..When you begin to see as an observer that all the situations in life and the people you meet are mirroring yourself than judgement fades away and the notions of " good and evil " become meaningless .You are only left with your heart ...your soul foundation and only Love emanates that sees no bounderies.
You are at the center of your own universe where only peace prevails.

Love from me
mudra

[Gnosis5]

However, I just severely chided a chum five minutes ago but I was very specific in targeting my comments to him and I hope he takes the correction. Now I can stand back and look within myself at what generated that -- oh I see it, okay [glum smile]. I too sometimes allow people to influence my choices of interaction with others and that does not line up with who I really am.

[bushycat]

We don't get very far when we try to swim upstream, do we?

xxBC

[Carmen]

Hmm, thats an interesting one bushcat. Depends what part of the river you are on!!!!:mfr_omg: If you are on the tributary called 3d personality, it pays to grab a branch then fight your way upstream to the main channel which takes you to the source. The tributary called 'my personality' ends up as a stagnant pool going nowhere:mfr_lol:

Love

Carmen

Ps Sorry for being a smartarse:wink2:couldnt help that one!!!!

[bushycat]

Well, Carmen, you can be that way any ole time. Okay with me. Looks like the old friend " different takes on same subject" here again. And I think we could play with this one for a long time. But all I meant was no good going back over finished territory. Unless, of course we want to do the lesson just one more time.....
14Chakras said something interesting not long ago about coming to crossroads and either taking the road less traveled or the old one, always our choice when something is put in our path.We can stay on old path if we need to. And he also said the lessons are not put to us unless we are ready for them. Sometimes we go along the new road and come across something and forget we can bypass it. But then we wake up again to the lesson learned and don't have to go back (upstream). I think that once we get to a certain point in our expansion, it is very uncomfortable to trip on a lesson already learned. It is like when we allow a negative situation to pull us down instead of inviting the situation to a higher level. It all seems to come back to balance. And Now.

xxBC

[Carmen]

There are many Great Souls on this forum who demonstrate the fourth level or soul level of consciousness. They are consistant in their Loving Thoughts and Actions. Our Dear Mudra is one such soul, but there are many more. For, indeed, "By Their Works, Ye Shall Know Them" Its really the only touchstone we need.

All members here demonstrate a huge degree of Soul Level Consciousness. They know themselves when they fall from grace. We all do it sometimes. Its really to decide whether we wish to be part of the solution or part of the problem. Our thoughts and actions are uplifting to those around us, (fourth level) or we 'bring em down' - duality (third level) It's up to us, always has been. Soul level people are easy to be around. They are allowing and they don't require you to be anything other than 'yourself'.

Love:wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2:



Carmen

[voltron]

This reminded me of the

30 QUALITIES OF CONSCIOUSNESS

ALL POSSIBILITIES

OMNISCIENCE

FREEDOM

UNMANIFEST

SIMPLICITY

OMNIPOTENCE

DISCRIMINATING

FULLY AWAKE WITHIN ITSELF

BOUNTIFUL

INFINITE SILENCE

INFINITE DYNAMISM

PURE KNOWLEDGE

INFINITE ORGANIZING POWER

EVOLUTIONARY

PERFECT ORDERLINESS

SELF-SUFFICIENCY

PURIFYING

INFINITE CREATIVITY

INTEGRATING

HARMONIZING

PERFECT BALANCE

BLISS

SELF-REFERRAL

UNBOUNDEDNESS

NOURISHING

IMMORTALITY

INFINITE CORRELATION

INVINCIBILITY

[bushycat]

Good list, Voltron. Worth reviewing as we go.

Love Always,
Bushycat

[Gnosis5]

How synchronistic! I preparing to start a series of session to subjectively explore "topography of consciousness".



This reminded me of the

30 QUALITIES OF CONSCIOUSNESS

ALL POSSIBILITIES

OMNISCIENCE

FREEDOM

UNMANIFEST

SIMPLICITY

OMNIPOTENCE

DISCRIMINATING

FULLY AWAKE WITHIN ITSELF

BOUNTIFUL

INFINITE SILENCE

INFINITE DYNAMISM

PURE KNOWLEDGE

INFINITE ORGANIZING POWER

EVOLUTIONARY

PERFECT ORDERLINESS

SELF-SUFFICIENCY

PURIFYING

INFINITE CREATIVITY

INTEGRATING

HARMONIZING

PERFECT BALANCE

BLISS

SELF-REFERRAL

UNBOUNDEDNESS

NOURISHING

IMMORTALITY

INFINITE CORRELATION

INVINCIBILITY

[rhythm]

Everything

I see is me ..

the mirror

of my soul ..

everything

I see... IS... ME ..

and for this

I take reponsibility...

then im free ...:wub2::wub2::wub2:

no one there to blame .:nono:

no finger pointing .:nono:

no guilt no shame. :nono:

no fear no blame .:nono:

only the true identity...:wub2:

LOVE.... is FREEDOM ....:wub2::wub2::wub2:
i continue to learn ..

[Carmen]

When we can maintain our consciousness, our beingness on the fourth level, beyond duality, everything is brought to the 'now'. We mostly, do not live in the past or the future. Everything is 'now'. This creates, or makes us aware of a magnetism to us, or around us. The drawings in the book 'The Hathor Material' are to me a close approximation of this. Ramtha calls it a wheel within a wheel. Other people call it our 'aura'. We can feel this energy field especially when we put our minds on it.

When we can maintain this level with a degree of consistency, we draw to us (manifest) what we think about or envision, more easily. In fact, we have to be careful what we wish for, cos we will more than likely get it!

One of the greatest difficulties in moving beyond the duality of our personality/ego is that we are having to use our personalities to go beyond the personality/ego. It realizes that its losing power and is fighting for its dominance. And it aint gonna give up without a fight. This is the real Armageddon. The struggle within between our body/mind personality and our Great Self, our God Within.
:wub2::wub2:

Love

Carmen

[THE eXchanger]

Comparing 3rd and 4th Density Relationships
"transmitted from the Pleiadians Germane & Sasha.

3-D
3rd-Dimensional Relationships
The way relationships normally work
with us here in our 3rd dimension.

4-D
4th-Dimensional Relationships
The way relationships normally work
on the 4th dimension.

SEPARATION
Separation is only an illusion.
Separation from the God Source.
Separation from each other.
And separation from aspects of our self. INTEGRATION + REINTEGRATION

Everything and everyone are really all connected.

SECRECY

Witholding information from my partner & from myself.
With secrecy, my partner never gets to know who I truly am.. Keeps me separated from the greater portion of myself. HONESTY + OPENNESS
Total honesty with my partner.
With honesty, my partner gets to know who I truly am. Honesty means being 100% who I truly am.
I do not withold a comment or information just to avoid hurting my partner, or to control the relationship.
I can never really know or predict what will hurt another or how they will react to my honesty.
Therefore, I should stop assuming responsibility for the other person's emotions, growth, & reactions to my honest non-manipulative communications.

FEAR-BASED MONOGAMY
Through my monogamous relationship, I am "separated" from the vulnerability of having to deal with any other relationships.
Therefore, I feel "safe" (separate and safe).

RELATIONSHIPS BY CHOICE
Monogamy-by-choice or
Polygamy-by-choice or
Poly-Fidelity-by-choice.
There is no inherent "right" or "wrong" to any type of relationship: They are all inherently neutral. Any type of relationship is "okay". If I choose monogamy, this does not mean that I expect or need my partner to also choose monogamy.

CONDITIONAL LOVE
I will love you, only so long as you fulfill my needs and expectations. I will withdraw my love, if you do not satisfy me.

UNCONDITIONAL LOVE
Even if you don't fulfill my needs and expectations,
I will still love you. I love you for who you are without trying to change you.

COMMITTMENT
I need committment, in order to avoid my fear of having to deal with other relationships. Committment is a 3rd-dimensional illusion. Committment never insures my security. Committment only makes me think or feel that I am secure.

BEING IN THE PRESENT
Committment would take me out of the present. I stay in the present, and I do not need a committment, because I trust that the future will take care of itself.

EXPECTATION
I want, expect, and try to get my partner to fulfill my expectations and needs. I use my partner to satisfy my needs.

NO EXPECTATIONS
I trust and have no expectations from my partner.
I enjoy my partner, but without expectations.

MANIPULATION
I use obvious or hidden manipulation so that my needs will be met, and so that I can remain protected from my own fears. I only see my partner as who I need them to be, not who they really are.

ALLOWINGNESS
I allow my partner to be who they need to be. Only then can I see who they truly are.

THE NEED TO CONTROL
I do not trust that everything that occurs is for my highest good. Therefore, I need to control and shape the relationship, so that it will take the form I wish it to be. I feel like I "own" my partner.

ABSOLUTE TRUST
I trust that everything that occurs is for my highest good. Therefore, I have no desire or need to control my partner.

RELATIONSHIP takes Precedence
to PERSONAL GROWTH
PERSONAL GROWTH takes Precedence
to RELATIONSHIP.

DEPENDENCY

I depend on and need someone
outside of myself in order to be happy. SELF-SUFFICIENCY
I recognize that I, and only I, am the creator of my own reality. Therefore, only I, am the generator of my own Happiness.

A PERSON CAN NOT FULLY LOVE MORE THAN ONE PERSON.
3-D emphasizes Duality.
If my partner begins to also love another person, that means he/she will have
less love for me.
(This is an illusion.)

A PERSON CAN FULLY LOVE
MORE THAN ONE PERSON.
4-D emphasizes Multiplicity.
No matter how many other people my partner loves, this does not diminish at all, in any way, how much love he/she has for me. No matter how many other people I love, this does not diminish at all, in any way, how much love I have for my partner.
My partner spending
LESS TIME with me
is not good. My partner spending
LESS TIME with me
is fine.

If I truly love myself unconditionally, then the time spent with myself is equal in value to the time spent with my partner.
I love myself as much as I love my partner.
Therefore, the time I spend alone is just as enjoyable as the time spent with my partner. Therefore, it's okay if I spend less time with my partner.

PAIN
There is always pain when I function from
the 3-D relationships "mind-set". HAPPINESS, PLEASURE, & ECSTACY
There is never any pain, only happiness, pleasure, and ecstacy, when I function from
the 4-D relationships "mind-set".

ENDING A RELATIONSHIP
creates PAIN & LOSS. ENDING A RELATIONSHIP
does not create PAIN & LOSS.
In realizing that this relationship is no longer serving us, we choose to harmoniously end it. We recognize that the relationship is going in different directions, and so we allow it to end, without any hard feelings. Only with love.

FEAR or PAIN of LONELINESS

Loneliness, like separation, is a 3-D illusion. FEELING CONNECTED
to SIGNIFICANT OTHERS.
Even if my partner is far away (in space),
or even if
I haven't seen my partner for a long time (in time),
I still feel very connected to them. Whereas separation is an illusion, being actually connected-together is the reality.

ANGER AT ANOTHER
(Externalized anger)
I am angry at my partner for not meeting my needs! ANGER AT MYSELF
(Internalized anger)
I am angry at myself for creating a reality that I do not prefer.

VICTIMHOOD
"Hurters" & "Victims"
I sometimes hurt others.
I am sometimes hurt by the comments or actions of others.
"Hurters" & "Victims" is an illusion.
There is no victimhood, since each one creates their own reality.

I CREATE MY OWN REALITY.

Self-Responsibility
Self-Empowerment
I create my own reality, and this even includes other people's reactions to my actions. I can never be hurt by another person. I can never hurt another person. Only I am responsible for my reactions to other people's comments or actions.

FEELING RESPONSIBLE for
the NEEDS of my PARTNER

My partner is seeking to have their needs met externally by me, but a person's needs
can never really be met by anyone else,
so they are bound to eventually get angry
at me, for not fulfilling their needs. BEING RESPONSIBLE for
what I would like to

GIVE to My PARTNER & our RELATIONSHIP

I am pure in my intention in my relationship.

I am 100% who I truly am with my partner.

I am responsible for what, in my integrity,

I would like to give to our relationship.

[Carmen]

Thanks for the contributions here. eXchanger, those comparisons are very true. Fourth dimentional couples are whole people hanging out together, enjoying each others company and learning. Three D people in relationships appear to be half of a whole, each one needing the other in some capacity or other! Trouble is, when one moves into fourth level consciousness, the deals off! They cannot relate to one another. The one remaining in 3D either moves also or they split.

Love

Carmen

[Carmen]

Another experience that happens when we access the fourth level of consciousness is that we start to remember, or we have a sort of 'bleed through' of past life memory.

This can come randomly or in response to a question we may have. Some attitude or belief we have that seems not true, or our of line with our 'now' life.

For instance, I had a feeling of great relief and freedom when I went away from home. I never wanted a cell phone because I did not want to be contacted (found) and I certainly did not call often to see how everyone was at home, which is sort of normal for mothers with children. Not me, I was off and I didnt want to be found!! Also, I would have a dread of going home. Even my grown son remembers when he was with me as a child, speeding away from home and the car getting slower and slower on the return journey!!:mfr_lol:

One day, a few years ago, I asked within the "why" of this behaviour. Home was fine usually, when I did arrive home, so this feeling or behaviour did not add up. Well, I got my answer a few days or maybe a week or so later. I was looking after my young granddaughter. I spent quite a bit of time driving her places as she was missing her parents and driving was one thing that made her happy or put her to sleep!:sad:

I started having visions that lasted three days. They revealed the last life that I had had with my husband. It was a very harrowing life of having been a slave girl or lessor wife of a powerful sheik (my husband) I was used and abused, had children as a young teen and they were kept from me but used so that I would not run away. So many of the people in my life now were from that time. The whole experience was like keys in a lock, unlocking. The experience answered so many questions.

I realized that through that life a great hatred and fear was born in me that has taken many lives to reach a wisdom that could heal that life. I must have somehow chosen or disserved that life. Nothing happens by chance. The whole vision experience was soo fascinating. It enabled me to move on hugely, to understand, to grow and to heal.

Love :wub2::wub2::wub2:

Carmen

[Carmen]

Fourth level consciousness, is open and truthful. It does not worry about revealing truths about itself because it does not seek the approval of others. Fourth level entities have spent a long time digging into their own subconscious realm to find attitudes and 'stuff' that have limited them. They are unafraid of the dark because they have dug it out from within them and brought it to understanding and wisdom. They continue to do this for as long as it takes to be free of it.

What others think of us is really nothing to do with us! What we think of ourselves is what matters. Approval is an inside job. If we are constantly seeking for outside approval we are never really happy. We find ourselves living for everyone else and not for ourselves!

The funny thing is that when we do start living for ourselves and are own Inner Approval, then we do seem to be approved by those outside of us. We then allow others around us to do the same. What we give/allow ourselves, we automaticaly extend to friends and family around us. This is freedom of the spirit and is the gift we give to ourselves and others. Its a delightful prerequisite of spiritual growth and evolution.

Love

Carmen

[Gnosis5]

Hello Carmen,

Also to contribute to that thought, in the Michael Teachings it is understood that "Old Souls" do not always have the same sticky connection to family members.

About past lives, it seems the second half of my life is one of my better career moves was making a decision to uncover more truths about myself and about this planet of people and that of course takes me into many many past lives that still needed to be truthfully reviewed and thus resolved.

I have worked out a good relationship with one clearing practitioner and together we have walked me backwards until there weren't even any suns or planets yet formed, before the "square" was invented even. Yes, it appears that circles came before squares, at least in my own part of the universe.

The decisions I made when I decided to make a distinction between unindividuated potential and actual energy producing potential brought me to here today. I am clearing all the decisions that I decided to place on automatic -- clearing the automatic function to be more exact.

The whole schema comes apart in addressing past life cycles this way and one has the potential to once again be that simple (but wiser) Pure Potential.

I shouldn't speak as if this is the way for everyone because the process I use is purely my own subjective exploration and only through perhaps one facet.

The cool part is that my hyperhistory starts before etheric bodies, before multiple dimensions (dementias) and densities and evil beings and complexity of games and social structures, bodies, all of that gets cleared away the further back I go.

The cool part is that I actually see the truth of my own participation in creating these structures and games. You know what the neatest thing is? As soon as I can see and know and own up to my part or participation in creating or continuing these games systems that is when they lose their hold on me.

I am once again free to paint a new picture with full freedom of expression.

That is of course an ideal scene because I am still doing my clearing work and I know I have not yet practically attained to full freedom of expression.

Thanks for listening and "duplicating".

love ya,
gnosis

[Carmen]

Indeed Gnosis, it is a rich tapestry we have woven and continue to weave.

[Gnosis5]

I take it that is more of a list than a harmonic or gradient scale.



This reminded me of the

30 QUALITIES OF CONSCIOUSNESS

ALL POSSIBILITIES

OMNISCIENCE

FREEDOM

UNMANIFEST

SIMPLICITY

OMNIPOTENCE

DISCRIMINATING

FULLY AWAKE WITHIN ITSELF

BOUNTIFUL

INFINITE SILENCE

INFINITE DYNAMISM

PURE KNOWLEDGE

INFINITE ORGANIZING POWER

EVOLUTIONARY

PERFECT ORDERLINESS

SELF-SUFFICIENCY

PURIFYING

INFINITE CREATIVITY

INTEGRATING

HARMONIZING

PERFECT BALANCE

BLISS

SELF-REFERRAL

UNBOUNDEDNESS

NOURISHING

IMMORTALITY

INFINITE CORRELATION

INVINCIBILITY

[Gnosis5]

I am calling this thread "Carmen's Darshan". Someday I will decide to be a simple ascended loving being and have my own Darshan Thread :-)

[Carmen]

Gnosis, excuse my ignorance, but what's a Darshan? Not one of those little sausage dogs from Germany?:naughty:

Love

Carmen

[Gnosis5]

Carmen, when you see this you will see how special I think you are in keeping this thread. This being has been known to hug 8000 people in one day -- where there is love there is no effort.


YouTube- Amma's darshan


I received my "lucky hug" from her too and her greeting was like a greeting of a parent for a long lost daughter. That was at the beginning of a path to my own awakening. My work is mostly cool science and her touch of love balances me.

When the implanters are breathing down my neck I get into her space and I am her.

love,
gnosis

[Carmen]

Thankyou Gnosis, Im hardly in that lady's league, but I am honoured that you think of this thread as a place of Love. I like to think of it that way too. Everyone needs hugs, loving touch and when we can hug everyone the same as at Amma's Darshan, no wasted energy is going into who is huggable and who is not!!

Love

Carmen

Ps And thanks for showing me what a Darshan is.

[Carmen]

A very useful, wonderful attribute of the soul level of consciousness is that we protected from outside negative influences by the spinning bands that surround us. In Christian traditions it is called 'Putting on the Amour of Christ'. Negative thoughts and influences bounce off the high spiritual consciousness and back to the sender!

Our responsiblilty is to guard against our own negative thoughts and attitudes. We can be brought down by our own negative critical thoughts if we are not watchful. Our habits are difficult to overcome if we are not staying consciously aware at all times. Its after we have trained ourselves to stay in the 'Now' moment, to be consciously 'aware' that we can discipline our run-away thoughts to obey our directions (our soul's directions) The calabre of our thoughts can then be upgraded to God-like quality.

This is where meditation or some sort of focus exercises are effective. Something that brings our minds to 'stillness'.

Love:wub2::wub2:

Carmen

[Gnosis5]

Hello Carmen,


Yes I see the bridge between Christianity and other practices.

When I was younger I was a sincere and idealistic Christian and I studied and applied the actual processes contained within the Christian texts, namely fasting, prayer/intending/commanding, meditation, and high praise. Many spiritual experiences as a result.

One day I was not feeling myself for some reason and decided to take a break and praise Jesus for everything I could think of. I reached an ecstatic emotional level and looked up and to my left and saw what in the Bible is described as a "cloud of mosquitos" and they were mouthing very evil things but I also noticed a shield around me and they were quite upset that they could not penetrate this shield.

All this revelation as a teaching to show me the value of high praise, and I don't think anymore that it has to be directed solely to Jesus: I think Jesus, like Maittreya, can be anyone he wants to be.

Now if I had only practiced meditation in my over busy lifestyle it wouldn't have taken me another 25 years to finally get back into a spiritual discipline and routine that, at the ripe age of 56, has brought me to a level of what was anciently called "Nirvana".

The early Christians, I suspect, also had a similar spiritual state, but it got lost to most today, just like most Buddhists have lost the effective path to their Nirvana, but choose to dogmatically fixate on the man Buddha.

Better than nothing I guess :-)

love,
Gnosis





A very useful, wonderful attribute of the soul level of consciousness is that we protected from outside negative influences by the spinning bands that surround us. In Christian traditions it is called 'Putting on the Amour of Christ'. Negative thoughts and influences bounce off the high spiritual consciousness and back to the sender!

Our responsiblilty is to guard against our own negative thoughts and attitudes. We can be brought down by our own negative critical thoughts if we are not watchful. Our habits are difficult to overcome if we are not staying consciously aware at all times. Its after we have trained ourselves to stay in the 'Now' moment, to be consciously 'aware' that we can discipline our run-away thoughts to obey our directions (our soul's directions) The calabre of our thoughts can then be upgraded to God-like quality.

This is where meditation or some sort of focus exercises are effective. Something that brings our minds to 'stillness'.

Love:wub2::wub2:

Carmen

[Gnosis5]

Amma is quite a being, I'll admit. When I approached her at her Darshan it was with the intention to give as much or more than I received, but I could not match her in her spirital presence and her giving back to me.

A few days ago, after practicing on a few other people first, I decided to go and take a closer look at her.

Even a being like herself is still carrying around some subconscious traumatic incidents. I looked long enough to see that she is still hung up in something in her timeless past that appears to be a huge celestial explosion, at least from her viewpoint. Thus the hugging is a bit of an attempt to resolve an ancient traumatic incident, but she could be doing a lot worse than what she is doing.

Even Amma needs healing, but I would never fault her work. If I ever did decide to help relieve her of her trauma it would be like a mouse removing a thorn from a lion's paw.

love,
gnosis







Thankyou Gnosis, Im hardly in that lady's league, but I am honoured that you think of this thread as a place of Love. I like to think of it that way too. Everyone needs hugs, loving touch and when we can hug everyone the same as at Amma's Darshan, no wasted energy is going into who is huggable and who is not!!

Love

Carmen

Ps And thanks for showing me what a Darshan is.

[Tango]

Carmen,

Do you feel a Click inside you head... When you go in...?

Our responsibility is to guard against our own negative thoughts and attitudes. And,to protect our spiritual consciousness from being used
by Negative forces. We are bound protect the life force at all costs.

Once again do you feel the Click.? Do you know what I'm talking about.

Trooly,


Tango


A very useful, wonderful attribute of the soul level of consciousness is that we protected from outside negative influences by the spinning bands that surround us. In Christian traditions it is called 'Putting on the Amour of Christ'. Negative thoughts and influences bounce off the high spiritual consciousness and back to the sender!

Our responsiblilty is to guard against our own negative thoughts and attitudes. We can be brought down by our own negative critical thoughts if we are not watchful. Our habits are difficult to overcome if we are not staying consciously aware at all times. Its after we have trained ourselves to stay in the 'Now' moment, to be consciously 'aware' that we can discipline our run-away thoughts to obey our directions (our soul's directions) The calabre of our thoughts can then be upgraded to God-like quality.

This is where meditation or some sort of focus exercises are effective. Something that brings our minds to 'stillness'.

Love:wub2::wub2:

Carmen

[Carmen]

Tango, Im having problems with my internet! Keep getting cut off. I read your post late last night but was too tired to post back then. Also I wished to think about what you had posted.

I do not feel a click. I do experience and intense energy/pressure in my head, sort of behind the bridge of my nose. This happens when I pause or focus. That seems to be the point of contact. The spinning of the bands I do in my mind. I visualize this and feel it to a certain degree. When I think about it the energy connects between heart and head, sort of spills over. So, that is what I experience. Tell me about the click you experience.

Cheers

Carmen

[Tango]

The internet keeps going down... I was gone today and when I came back
both computers were disconnected from the net... I've been cut off

before... It's the same.

Understood you feel pressure in the head...

You use bands... I was given a crystal over 40+ years ago for focus...

When I'm in [or as I'm going in] I feel/hear a Click... Know what maybe I don't
hear it... I don't know... It's a Click; and I know I'm IN.

Or, when someone lie's... There's That Click... A Negative one... Click...
Someone's tries to get close, to draw energy from me... Click... I move away.
If a Cell Phone is close by... Click...

Trooly,


Tango



Tango, Im having problems with my internet! Keep getting cut off. I read your post late last night but was too tired to post back then. Also I wished to think about what you had posted.

I do not feel a click. I do experience and intense energy/pressure in my head, sort of behind the bridge of my nose. This happens when I pause or focus. That seems to be the point of contact. The spinning of the bands I do in my mind. I visualize this and feel it to a certain degree. When I think about it the energy connects between heart and head, sort of spills over. So, that is what I experience. Tell me about the click you experience.

Cheers

Carmen

[Carmen]

When we focus on the life-force within us and connect with soul, the energy field around us increases in power and intensity. The powerful energies of Unconditional Love, Joy, Gratitude Compassion grow and increase our energy field. It becomes stronger and stronger. With that knowledge and application negative thoughts and emotions directed at us are as nothing. They bounce off us, back to the sender. In fact, we dont even notice. We cease to have anything in us that they could hook on to. The higher consciousness beings change the environment around them. They affect everything with their radiating field of Love.

Love

Carmen

[Carmen]

The point to all this gaining of knowledge, of spiritual exploration, is that it has to make a difference in our lives. If it doesnt, if its just philosophy to pull down off the shelves of our intellect to impress our friends with every now and then, its not worth anything. We are wasting our time!

It has to bring change, better circumstances, help when we need it, understanding, health, better relationships. In fact, a complete renovation of the old self! It has to be measurable in our lives, of practical help. On the other side of the complexity, the confusion of all this 3D mess, is a wonderful simplicity, a stillness, an utter peace in which we see things clearly. We can look back at all the crazyness and actually feel grateful because it was the shoehorn, the catalyst, to get us to MOVE, to prise us out of our laziness and lethargy.

Love

Carmen

[Carmen]

Hi Gnosis,

I have learned from all the spiritual learnings and systems I have been involved in. They all have wonderful truths in them like a Golden Thread that links them all at the inner levels. Sounds like you have done this also. There was always a kind of rebelliousness about me as a youngster that questioned religion though. I also found that the New Age movement had a kind of surface slick that was just another set of dogmas to get caught up in.

I think that whatever stage we are at in our spiritual growth, we did not arrive there in one lifetime. We have gradually evolved over many lifetimes. Gradually learning and experiencing all aspects of physical life, 'as' everything. All human experiences possible the soul records as wisdom when they have been lived and understood. We go home pregnant with experience. Content and at Peace with All That Is.

Love

Carmen

[Carmen]

As I have written previously on this thread, much of my learning has been from inspirational books.

One set of books that I really love and read and re-read and underline every which way, is a set by the writer Annalee Skarin. These books are so precious to me that I hesitate to share them because I would not like to see them critisized! Sounds a bit pathetic I know, but to me they are really special and have taught me soo much. I don't even share these with my friends because they find them to religious!

They are not religious to me. They contain so much truth.

Initially when I first read them my personality felt like it was being bashed over the head, clobbered!!, but something in me held me to the learning contained in the books.

I now wish to share them with Avalon members as they may find them as inspirational as I have.

They are out of print now but can be obtained quite cheaply through any of the secondhand book outlets.

Love:wub2::wub2:

Carmen

[Jonah]

The decisions I made when I decided to make a distinction between unindividuated potential and actual energy producing potential brought me to here today. I am clearing all the decisions that I decided to place on automatic -- clearing the automatic function to be more exact.

The whole schema comes apart in addressing past life cycles this way and one has the potential to once again be that simple (but wiser) Pure Potential.

I shouldn't speak as if this is the way for everyone because the process I use is purely my own subjective exploration and only through perhaps one facet.
gnosis[/QUOTE]

thats very beautiful gnosis. your tone sounds familiar to me. blessings

[Carmen]

The more Clearing we do, the clearer are our views. We clean the windows of our soul!

Then we are left with the Joy of Spirit. We keep our windows clean and the sparkling Light Shines through.

Love

Carmen

[Carmen]

Another attribute of the Soul level of consciousness is that the sexual energy that used to sit in the first seal, mostly, permeates the entire body. The body is filled with a delicious sensual/sexual feeling. One of melting Love of All that Is.

Love and Light

Carmen

[Gnosis5]

Another attribute of the Soul level of consciousness is that the sexual energy that used to sit in the first seal, mostly, permeates the entire body. The body is filled with a delicious sensual/sexual feeling. One of melting Love of All that Is.

Love and Light

Carmen

I have a friend who is a living example of that and I am speechless with wonder. We know that each one of us is quite wonderful in our own way, but so different in our paths to Nirvana. I'm sure I could use a little bit of her delicious sensual/sexual feeling instilled within myself, but the best I can manage is a large scale compassion and agonizing over what is the best strategy to gain the most leverage using the tools I have in the seemingly short time I have.

If you were going to help heal the world in the shortest period of time what group or person(s) would you work with first, assuming you can reach any group or person(s) you desire? Of course family comes first.

[powerviolence]

Carmen, from all my research, I was under the impression that 4th density life wouldn't still be threedimensional, in other words that you would ascend from this 3rd density life to a new realm that can't be seen/explained in our 3rd density terms, and that if you did stay in 3rd density as a 4th density being, you would unlock supernatural powers such as telepathy, clairvoyance, etc.. I've always believed that's what 4th density meant, that we would truly 'advance' to the next level, not just stay in 3rd density albeit very enlightened and very full of love, I thought the shift from 3rd to 4th density would be massive and radical and it would probably mean the end of our 3rd reality self, that's what I gathered from the Hidden Hand's testimony and the Law of One in which the harvest and ascension were explained, of course I could be wrong, what's your take on this?. I enjoyed your thread regardless. :original:

[Carmen]

Thank you powerviolence (what a name), As I understand it, and have experienced to a certain degree, the mind is or can be trained to be, multi-dimensional and the different areas of our brains vacilitate this. All humans have this ability although some seem to be born with it full blown ie clairvoyance, telepathy etc. Its part of our natural progression/evolvement. The ability to healing oneself naturally is part of this higher order.

We all know of, and have experienced abilities/knowingness that do not fit into 3D. They are usually dismissed by totally 3D people, but people who have experienced paranormal abilities, even for a fleeting moment, know what they experience, no matter the naysayers. It will stay with them the rest of their lives but they usually give up discussing their experiences with people around them who are ready ridiculers.

When people ascend this plane (and this is my opinion/assumption!!) they will go, physically, to the realm that they already live in to a large extent, in mind, in consciousness. Your future reality is first created in your mind, then it manifests in the physical. Thats how it happens in 3D already, whether we are conscious of it or not. When reaching for a higher order of consciousness, we first have to understand the laws pertaining to that level, then 'Live' that Higher order as if we were already there. Sort of like 'faking it, till you make it', but that sounds dismissive because to me it is a Sacred Responsibility to evolve/improve ourselves. We were never meant to be static/set in any life. We are meant/designed to change and grow, constantly.

It can be quite overwhelming at first when we are mired in situations and lifestyles seemingly out of our control. I had a silly wee saying I say to myself when the mountain (of limitations) seems too high. Its 'Eat your elephant one bite at a time'!!!!!:mfr_lol: Works for me, and it does help to keep a sense of humour. Life is eternal. You have eternity to work on all this and whats more, (this is the bit I love to remind myself of) whatever we really, really understand and change about ourselves, we get to keep forever, doesnt matter how many lifetimes we have. What we learnt is Soul Wisdom and now part of our character.

Love and Light

Carmen

[Carmen]

Dear Gnosis (the main person who has kept my little thread alive!!) The sexual stuff is a curly question and one most people are vitally interested in!!! I was very excited when I first moved my sexual energy up the body (it shot to my head) but Im blowed if I could find 'anyone' who had had the same experience or understood to any degree what the hell I was talking about!!:mfr_omg:

My then husband was particularly upset:mad3::lmao:His sexy scorpio wife was gone!!:nono:It really was a parting of the ways. One cannot relate physically to a mate who is stuck in their first seal, no matter how long you try. But strong energy, whether it be sexual or otherwise is a great asset to use to move towards enlightening oneself! And I do think finding a mate who is on the 'path' so to speak, would enable one to explore transcendental lovemaking.

The best way to help change this 3D world is to work on self, always working on yourself. It can sometimes seem selfish to be only doing that, but to me its the only way. Whatever anyone else is doing or saying around us is secondary to the work we do with ourselves. Eventually we will notice changes happening within ourselves, attitudes corrected, habitual behavour overcome. There will be a precious 'something' that is growing within that cannot be dismissed and really cannot be discussed. Its like a precious pearl that we guard carefully while it grows. Their is a growing confidence in what we are doing. This is reflected in our demenour (spelling!!) our beingness that others start to notice, as its starts to radiate out. I was amazed over the years watching my family change and accept the changes in me. Even my older siblings who are very asleep, find the new me acceptable.

Love :wub2::wub2:

Carmen

[New Age Messiah]

I've only experienced it in fits and starts, but...

non-existence of a "self" to be protected,

non-existence of a "self" inside a corporal container

non-existence of a boundary between mind and matter

This non-existence is SO peaceful, it's like the blade of grass in its stillness.

Yet we know, within a blade of grass is teeming activity and life...

[Gnosis5]

Hello Carmen, I know a few 4D "sailors" who could take you on, lol. I'm only half joking, really, believe me. As I unlock myself out of 3D I'm starting to connect up, up the chakras too, but it has been a monogamous 4d relationship. I was being "schooled" to move the enegies up to my head. But perhaps he gave up on me for being too 3D -- yuck!!

So, nose to the grindstone, continue my self-clearing work and then perhaps I will be able to maintain a 4d relationship. Who knows I might skip a grade and start interacting on the 5D. I was told that I have downloaded or integrated quite a bit of my 9D, and I have no idea what that entails.

They never used terminology and concepts like this in Sunday School :lol3:


From sessions what we were seeing about the 4D is that it used to be a heavily populated zone but we got lazy and sunk to 3D and there has been disgruntlement toward us from the remaining 4D folks who would like to bring us back into the game.

Some writers call it the former "Magical Universe" and I guess that is because in 4D a cube is really a tesseract, and time is more malleable. I've already done some time travelling when I am in a 4d mode -- the past walks right up to the present, or vice versa. Many 3d magicians and wizards operate on the 3d from their 4d viewpoint. How they do that I don't want to know right now.

I am not a technician and not a scientist, just a being who is convinced that I used to be ME, and that was a wonderful thing to be.

Dear Gnosis (the main person who has kept my little thread alive!!) The sexual stuff is a curly question and one most people are vitally interested in!!! I was very excited when I first moved my sexual energy up the body (it shot to my head) but Im blowed if I could find 'anyone' who had had the same experience or understood to any degree what the hell I was talking about!!:mfr_omg:

My then husband was particularly upset:mad3::lmao:His sexy scorpio wife was gone!!:nono:It really was a parting of the ways. One cannot relate physically to a mate who is stuck in their first seal, no matter how long you try. But strong energy, whether it be sexual or otherwise is a great asset to use to move towards enlightening oneself! And I do think finding a mate who is on the 'path' so to speak, would enable one to explore transcendental lovemaking.

The best way to help change this 3D world is to work on self, always working on yourself. It can sometimes seem selfish to be only doing that, but to me its the only way. Whatever anyone else is doing or saying around us is secondary to the work we do with ourselves. Eventually we will notice changes happening within ourselves, attitudes corrected, habitual behavour overcome. There will be a precious 'something' that is growing within that cannot be dismissed and really cannot be discussed. Its like a precious pearl that we guard carefully while it grows. Their is a growing confidence in what we are doing. This is reflected in our demenour (spelling!!) our beingness that others start to notice, as its starts to radiate out. I was amazed over the years watching my family change and accept the changes in me. Even my older siblings who are very asleep, find the new me acceptable.

Love :wub2::wub2:

Carmen

[Gnosis5]

I've only experienced it in fits and starts, but...

non-existence of a "self" to be protected,

non-existence of a "self" inside a corporal container

non-existence of a boundary between mind and matter

This non-existence is SO peaceful, it's like the blade of grass in its stillness.

Yet we know, within a blade of grass is teeming activity and life...


That just about accurately describes what I saw and felt in the one awesome PEAT session I had.

[carriblu]

Thank you for your comments and further insights on your journeys Gnosis 5 and 14 Chakras.

I have contemplated overnight, my motive in writing all that I have written here because it is important to me. My original personality was an attention seeking one, first as a spoilt child and then as a performer (singer). My tendency was to enjoy attention! I have thought about this and found no, attention seeking is not my motivation here. Some of the people who have inspired me greatly have originally been ordinary people I knew who changed (awakened) and have gone on to do extra-ordinary things. These are the people I have marveled at, then thought 'If they can change like that, if they can achieve, why not me?' So, I am writing this stuff to demonstrate to others here that spiritual growth and movement, complete changes in personality, complete changes in environment and circumstances is entirely possible through spiritual advancement. Anyone can change with knowledge and application.

I have changed in many ways but I still have huge changes to make. This journey is on-going. It never ends. Change and growth is constant. We can indeed rest awhile between changes, but if we get too comfortable and think we know it all we are sadly mistaken. Spirit will eventually prod us into more insights and action, or we may start slipping back into old habits again. This does not happen (slipping back) with attitudes and habits we have absolutely changed and are now wisdom. They are those we keep for eternity. The slipping back ones are the ones we are still working on. Thats what I especially Love about this stuff. What we have resolved into wisdom we get to keep for all Eternity!! Thats neat huh!


Spiritual growth and advancement is not something unnatural or unusual, it is our God given Right. It is entirely natural, but society, governments and religion have closed this down. We have been taught as children to be needy , guilty, dependent. It takes a rebellious, passionate, wild nature often to look for answers. Spirit has to be free to explore, to question, to never bow down. Whatever we are drawn to, whatever we are passionate about, we need to explore, without anyones opinion really. We are our own best council. We can sure listen to what others say, be inspired by what others say and do especially, but our own Inner Self is our prompt and guide in all matters.

Love:wub2::wub2::wub2:

Carmen



thanks carmen. when i meditate, i relive all these experiences that have haunted me for a while, nothing terrible, just small things like the way ive acted in certain situations. but the problem is that after i go through these things and think ive gotten over them, which is such a relief, they just come back a couple meditations later! and those same emotions crop up, and its just really really frustrating. i feel like im growing and then it all comes back. do you have any recomendations for this?

[New Age Messiah]

That just about accurately describes what I saw and felt in the one awesome PEAT session I had.

The non-being, it's so peaceful as to just not even describe it as peace, since people already conceive of peace as being something like sitting in a nice natural setting or by the fire or under a blanket.

The peace is all pervasive such that there is nothing but peace, period. :original:

[Gnosis5]

Oh God!! Gnosis5, how much time have you got? Its a very long story. I could give you a shortened version I guess. Probably bore you to tears otherwise!!

Hello Carmen,

Did you ever give me your "full story"? Did you write it on a thread? Would love it hear it again.

Am seeking to read some of Anna Skarin without having to purchase another book right now. I discovered last night that there is power in asking the Source, especially if it is asked correctly and from the heart.

best,
Gnosis

[Gnosis5]

"As one lets LOVE pour out through his own heart - by loving God with all his mind, heart, soul and strength - into the cells and atoms of his body, he is beginning to transfigure his body. This is the LOVING with all the soul, which is the body and spirit united. It is in this great LOVE that the very atoms of the flesh will be changed into flesh divine.

The atoms, which were originally composed of the Cosmic Rays of Light, locking the glory and the power of God within the very center of nucleus of their beings are transmuted back into the Light, glorified, perfected and forever indestructible. This is the power known of old as "ascension", "transfiguration", or "translation".

The above excerpt is from the book Ye Are Gods by Annalee Skarin.

Truthfully, I do not understand this except intellectually. I can work myself through praise and gratitude into an ecstatic state, and I am coming to understand that DNa is not purely physical.....

Gnosis

[Gnosis5]

thanks carmen. when i meditate, i relive all these experiences that have haunted me for a while, nothing terrible, just small things like the way ive acted in certain situations. but the problem is that after i go through these things and think ive gotten over them, which is such a relief, they just come back a couple meditations later! and those same emotions crop up, and its just really really frustrating. i feel like im growing and then it all comes back. do you have any recomendations for this?


Hello carriblu, that happens in my own practices too and even though I might have a theoretical answer for why that is, the bottom line is that it seems that no matter what modality a person uses to clear out the negatives it must be done repetitively to an end point. The more one clears the more there is to clear it seems at times, especially for newbies (like myself) on their chosen path. :thumb_yello: