Where Are We on 9-11 Truth?

[Seashore]

This is an off-shoot of the thread "Len Horowitz, a Dark Doctor in Disguise, Remains a Vatican Shill." (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17859)

Because the phony "war on terror" and the loss of our freedoms by way of the Patriot Act, etc., are based on the 9-11 attacks, it is important that we establish 9-11 truth so that it can no longer be denied by the mainstream.

But it seems we have different factions within the 9-11 truth movement regarding what technology was used in the attacks, as well as allegations that the movement is infiltrated by those pesky parallel government disinfo agents.

:mfr_omg: Nothing's easy.

Let's put our heads together...

[mntruthseeker]

YouTube- Prof Judy Wood - WTC Destruction Part 1



YouTube- Prof Judy Wood - WTC Destruction Part 2



YouTube- Prof Judy Wood - WTC Destruction Part 3


YouTube- Prof Judy Wood - WTC Destruction Part 4


Her theories relate to the dust and she mentions the fact that none of the papers burned (hmmm) and there was no toilets, sinks etc found at the site

These point to AMF weapon

[BROOK]

I've been following Judy Wood from the beginning, and strongly gravitate toward her theory. When you watch a steel beam turn to dust on video, right in front of your eyes...it is obvious :mfr_omg:

It is amazing that the American public believes that the twin towers were taken down by a plane. Time to wake up America!

[Seashore]

I've been following Judy Wood from the beginning, and strongly gravitate toward her theory.

http://www.veritasshow.com/images/guestjwood.jpg

Is this the same Judy Wood you remember?

[waitinginthewings]

I've been following Judy Wood from the beginning, and strongly gravitate toward her theory. When you watch a steel beam turn to dust on video, right in front of your eyes...it is obvious :mfr_omg:

It is amazing that the American public believes that the twin towers were taken down by a plane. Time to wake up America!

They believe it, because they were told to believe it, from the moment of the event happening. The spin machine churned out the "correct" way to think & understand what happened & they have believed wholeheartedly.

Dr. Wood does an excellent job in explaining how this type of conditioning occurs in her interview with Mel Febregas on Manticore. If you have not listened to t, its a must. I call it the 2nd level of awakening.

[mntruthseeker]

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They believe it, because they were told to believe it, from the moment of the event happening. The spin machine churned out the "correct" way to think & understand what happened & they have believed wholeheartedly.

Dr. Wood does an excellent job in explaining how this type of conditioning occurs in her interview with Mel Febregas on Manticore. If you have not listened to t, its a must. I call it the 2nd level of awakening.


You better believe it. I certainly got another rude awakening with her interview. wow wow wow

[Moxie]

These numbers are growing daily:

Over 967 Licensed Architects and Engineers

5400 other professional supporters

Demanding a NEW 911 Investigation.

http://www.ae911truth.org

http://www.ae911truth.org/flashmov11.htm

This video is Excellent!

[BROOK]

http://www.veritasshow.com/images/guestjwood.jpg

Is this the same Judy Wood you remember?
Is there another? Yes that is her :naughty:
And I remember when her website first came out..it was constantly going down...imagine that :smoke:

[viking]

Just bumped into this...fresh off the press...

On September 11, 2001 the world watched in shock and disbelief as planes flew in to New York’s World Trade Center and the Pentagon in Washington, and Americans realized they were under attack. But by whom? What really happened? In The Unofficial Story, the fifth estate’s Bob McKeown introduces us to people who believe the real force behind the attacks was not Osama Bin Laden, but the U.S. government itself.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2009-2010/the_unofficial_story/

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/fraud/911_attack/news.php?q=1259696696

viking

[Seashore]

Is there another? Yes that is her :naughty:
And I remember when her website first came out..it was constantly going down...imagine that :smoke:

Yes, there is another person that I have in my mind's eye, that I associate with her name in the truth movement, regarding what happened with the towers. So far I haven't located a picture of her and the old website pages I used to see on the net. This would have been in 2006 or 2007.

When I first looked at the above picture, I thought it's not the same person. But the more I think about it, maybe it is her, with a new look!

I'm curious.

What I remember is a person who was struggling with the scientific community to be taken seriously, and suffering a lot of ridicule. I remember a video of her in a discussion with a rather self-important physicist, and the video ended on a very sour note, with the physicist intimating that she didn't know what she was talking about.

[BROOK]

Yes, there is another person that I have in my mind's eye, that I associate with her name in the truth movement, regarding what happened with the towers. So far I haven't located a picture of her and the old website pages I used to see on the net. This would have been in 2006 or 2007.

When I first looked at the above picture, I thought it's not the same person. But the more I think about it, maybe it is her, with a new look!

I'm curious.

What I remember is a person who was struggling with the scientific community to be taken seriously, and suffering a lot of ridicule. I remember a video of her in a discussion with a rather self-important physicist, and the video ended on a very sour note, with the physicist intimating that she didn't know what she was talking about.
Well..it's her..and she has done extensive research...and TPTB do not like it that's for sure :naughty:

[Seashore]

Well..it's her..and she has done extensive research...and TPTB do not like it that's for sure :naughty:

Is she standing alone or does she have allies?

[waitinginthewings]

You better believe it. I certainly got another rude awakening with her interview. wow wow wow

I will look at all events now with "new eyes" & not with ears. I'll bet that she had no clue that somewhere in her career, she would end up awakening the people to something so insidious.

One point that she made & I just remembered this, is when she talked about the steel being carted off to China? There was no steel, because it disintegrated into dust......yet we all heard those words about the steel and China & we never questioned it or connected the dots.

[BROOK]

I will look at all events now with "new eyes" & not with ears. I'll bet that she had no clue that somewhere in her career, she would end up awakening the people to something so insidious.

One point that she made & I just remembered this, is when she talked about the steel being carted off to China? There was no steel, because it disintegrated into dust......yet we all heard those words about the steel and China & we never questioned it or connected the dots.

Exactly....how does steel turn to dust anyway? :smoke:

[mntruthseeker]

Exactly....how does steel turn to dust anyway? :smoke:

or how did all the papers fly all over and none were burned ?

where were the toilets ? crazy stuff huh

The biggest problem is that the truth of the charges hold so that it is not double jeopardy

The more they get away with the longer it will continue

[BROOK]

or how did all the papers fly all over and none were burned ?

where were the toilets ? crazy stuff huh

The biggest problem is that the truth of the charges hold so that it is not double jeopardy

The more they get away with the longer it will continue

Exactly!

[micjer]

Hey didn't the MSM have an article about the steel from the WTC was used to make a new battleship or something in the last couple of weeks. I'll try and find it.

[micjer]

Found it. So is this a distraction once again from the truth?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334332,00.html

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/0_61_030108_USSNewYork01.jpg
March 1, 2008: About 7.5 tons of steel recovered from the World Trade Center are cast in the bow stem of the USS New York.

[mntruthseeker]

Found it. So is this a distraction once again from the truth?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334332,00.html

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/0_61_030108_USSNewYork01.jpg
March 1, 2008: About 7.5 tons of steel recovered from the World Trade Center are cast in the bow stem of the USS New York.


Unfortunately .................that is another LIE and yes a distraction.

wow they had it all figured out. Just another day for them.......

When I heard Judy speak she made a remark about how the dust was not burning the firemens boots but yet there was a big to do over getting the dog some type of slipper.

[micjer]

You know when I stop and think about it , 7.5 tons is not very much. One truck can carry 40 ton. So maybe this did come from the basement or something. There were a couple of steel beams in the rubble at the bottom. It was the top of the buildings that got disintegrated.

I still think the pentagon was hit with a cruise missile.

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/air-1.jpg

[Seashore]

Yes, there is another person that I have in my mind's eye, that I associate with her name in the truth movement, regarding what happened with the towers. So far I haven't located a picture of her and the old website pages I used to see on the net. This would have been in 2006 or 2007.

When I first looked at the above picture, I thought it's not the same person. But the more I think about it, maybe it is her, with a new look!

I'm curious.

What I remember is a person who was struggling with the scientific community to be taken seriously, and suffering a lot of ridicule. I remember a video of her in a discussion with a rather self-important physicist, and the video ended on a very sour note, with the physicist intimating that she didn't know what she was talking about.

Here's the picture I had in my mind's eye. I found it. This is also Judy Wood, taken from her website (http://drjudywood.com/articles/a/bio/Wood_Bio.html):

http://drjudywood.com/articles/a/bio/biopics/JDWood.jpg

[mntruthseeker]

Just when I thought that I was past the point of being fooled. LOL

Its really sad to think of how we are / were so easily mislead

My husband just asked if I wanted to watch the Presidents message and I told him , yeah right. He didnt listen because he now doesnt believe either

Personally, I'm not so sure we have a president...legally anyhow

I heard Freeman say once, Bush was the last American president and I think he may of been right on that point.

[no caste]

I heard Freeman say once, Bush was the last American president and I think he may of been right on that point.

If you consider fraudulent elections (electronic ballots etc arranged by Papa Bush, they say), it might have to go back to 1996. IMO it was over in 2000. Bush wasn't the last President. That was Bill Clinton.

Also, from Dr Judy Wood: In case you are not aware of it, this is the first page of my submission to NIST. In particular, read the ones addressing the sound issue. It illuminates the false choice of NIST vs. thermite/bombs.
http://drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/WTC7a.html

Another quote: Yes, "Osama Bin Thermite and the Microspheres" are being heavily promoted with big dollars. Perhaps it is to drown out the release of my book to muddle up the message? My book contains absolute proof of what happened on 9/11/01 that is not debunkable. So, the opposition has reason to be going on their biggest propaganda tour.

I'm looking forward to the book.

[manticore]

You better believe it. I certainly got another rude awakening with her interview. wow wow wow
I'm glad some of you are experiencing what I experienced LIVE. How many times did I spew the same old propaganda? The put options; the steel being shipped to China. Oh my, was I wrong?

The perpetrators MUST own the truth movement. Also, she really did not want to discuss the death of her student (Michael Zebhur), Dr. Eugene Mallove (which I also discuss this week during Dr. Brian O'Leary's interview), and a number of her instructors who were murdered during the Virginia Tech massacre. But I wanted her to do so, so their deaths were not in vane. Colin Andrews had a few people in his circle die mysteriously. Paul Vigay is one of them. He had a 9/11 Truth Web site and also did research with Colin Andrews on crop circles. He was only 42. I brought up the connection 9/11/DEW & Crop Circles = microwaves. In my opinion, he was making the connection and was "taken care of".

Did you know the morning after the Virgina Tech massacre (Dr. Wood's alma mater) is when Dr. Wood was supposed to file her case in the Supreme Court?

I always wondered why Dr. Wood's information was not presented at other alternative radio shows. "They" don't want anyone to talk about this possibility.

Very best wishes to all,

Mel

[manticore]

Is she standing alone or does she have allies?
At least she has an ally in me. I'm glad I took the chance to interview her. My job (a matter of principle) is to cover every angle and her angle is the one that has convinced me the most. Our job is to discern and draw our own conclusions. I just don't like it when people ignore someone before looking at their work.

Mel

[manticore]

Hey didn't the MSM have an article about the steel from the WTC was used to make a new battleship or something in the last couple of weeks. I'll try and find it.

That's right micjer, supposedly with the steel beams, right? Shipping steel to China was a great cover so that people could say "See? They're shipping the steel to China." Did you see any steel at all, aside from the small beams that remained erected? Almost like the CGI image of the plane blip that "crashed" on the Pentagon. There wasn't even a picture on the cover pages, but the headlines were in BOLD letters. Therefore, the average person would say "See, finally the published that picture, so truthers, shut up, there's the plane."

Mel

[orthodoxymoron]

Here is Alfred Webre speaking about Judy Wood: YouTube- Alfred Webre on Dr Judy Wood

[orthodoxymoron]

Here is a video clip which has puzzled me for more than a year. Watch the first few seconds very carefully...and notice a nebulous something which almost swims toward the towers. You may have to watch several times to see what I mean. What the hell is this? Is it a UFO? There are a number of videos with seeming UFO activity. A Lt. Colonel on the Daniel Ott show indicated that 9/11 was alien connected. The YouTube clip was removed...last time I checked. I found the segment...but as you can see below...it still doesn't work. The rest of the segments work fine. This one hasn't worked for months. Why? The rest of the interview was very interesting. Did ET phone Rome...and call 911? Was 9/11 an Inside D.U.M.B. Job? Did several factions and countries unite to pull this off? What was the energy source for the pulverization? A space weapon? John Lear thought so in the Camelot interview. Remember the space photo from directly above Manhatten while the towers burned? Could a UFO weapon have been used? What about micro-nukes? At the very least...we need a new and exhaustive investigation of 9/11 with the best academics in the world presiding over say a $50 million budget to REALLY get to the bottom and top of this madness.YouTube- UFO at WTC - NEW ! With timeline !YouTube- January 26th, 2008 - Part 4 (2nd Interview)

[swordsmith]

Dr Judy Wood has had people who have stood beside her for some time, one from this country is Andrew Johnson. There are some posts from him regarding their work together on this forum .( from the pre subscription days when a wider response was possible)

I applaud Andrew also for his excellent site," check the evidence ", and his long standing dedication to the exposure of the chemtrail operation.

So many heros out there, many of them low profile and not at all compensated financially for their extreme dedication and the danger they may put themselves in.

Andrew lectures occasionally in the UK and has some excellent early DVD presentations from Judy Wood. It's good people are finally getting to the truth of the truth. He was one of the first to allow me to see Deagle for who he is in regard to spreading disinfo in the so called truth movement .

Everyone has an agenda . I like Judy's.
I bet initially "they" thought she wouldn't be taken seriously as a woman, and it may have kept her alive, that and using terminology like" fuzzy blobs".
What a woman!

[Seashore]

I haven't studied 9-11 truth in some time.

I also find it hard to evaluate the assertions within the truth movement because I don't have much aptitude for drawing conclusions where details involving science and technology are involved. I'm fascinated by technology but I really struggle to understand it.

And it will take a lot to convince me that Dr Deagle is a disinfo agent. Therefore I have to ask the question, is it possible that more than one technology was used?

In other words, is the conclusion that there are traitors within the 9-11 truth movement actually compelling, or are there other possibilities or explanations that should be considered?

[TheObserver]

Just when I thought that I was past the point of being fooled. LOL

Its really sad to think of how we are / were so easily mislead

My husband just asked if I wanted to watch the Presidents message and I told him , yeah right. He didnt listen because he now doesnt believe either

Personally, I'm not so sure we have a president...legally anyhow

I heard Freeman say once, Bush was the last American president and I think he may of been right on that point.

I listened to speech, it didn't sound any different from the ones GW Bush gave unfortunately.
When he began with "8 years ago on september 11" even i had to roll my eyes.

[micjer]

9/11 Weather Anomalies and Field Effects
(page 1)

by

Judy Wood


http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/erin1.html



http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/erinpr1.gif


Dr Wood has linked together her theory of what really happened on 9-11 to the WTC and to hurricane Erin.

[mntruthseeker]

I listened to speech, it didn't sound any different from the ones GW Bush gave unfortunately.
When he began with "8 years ago on september 11" even i had to roll my eyes.


Imagine that Freeman and GW Bush knew what they were talking about and it was US that didnt get the jest of it and they were both right


In fact, didn't GW then made that awful joke about dictorship? IMO that is exactly what ust transpired..............we were already NWO and he was our dictator.

[micjer]

Has anyone seen this on Judy's website. It shows the steel turning to dust.

Amazing how she has put the pieces together.

Check out figure 37 on this page.

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam3.html

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/dustspire.gif

[micjer]

The government maintains that the Twin Towers were each hit by aircraft and the subsequent fires weakened the steel in the upper stories, initiating a gravity-driven "pancake collapse," as illustrated in Figure 30. There are many problems with this hypothesis. The most obvious problem with it is the near free-fall speed of the destruction of these buildings (see Billiard Balls). A second problem is the paucity of remaining material. Where are the concrete floors? Where is the office furniture? Where is the office machinery? Where are the filing cabinets? Where is the wall board? Where are the bookcases? They were not there, so most of it appears to have turned to dust.

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/dust.jpg

An illustration of what a "pancake collapse" would look like. The rubble pile should be at least 1/8 of the original building height (12.5%).


http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/dust1.jpg


An illustration of what the actual destruction looked like. The rubble pile was no more than 2% of the original building height. Both towers went "poof."



http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam3.html

[Tango]

I thought the 9-11 thang was all done.....

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16368

The QRS 11 Chip.... Well we finished with it...


Trooly,

Tango

[Seashore]

I need some help.

I haven't researched 9-11 in a long time. And I know I will get all tangled up if I try to click on links to try to bring myself up-to-date.

Could somebody summarize for me:


How many competing theories do we have within the truth movement at this point in time?
Who the major advocates are for each theory.
Is it not possible that more than one technology could have been used; thus, more than one theory could be correct at the same time?
Is it absolutely necessary for the truth movement to solve the who-done-it accurately in order to force the controllers of the official story to fess up?

[micjer]

To start I would say that there was 3 theories.

The first is the "official story that the planes weakened the structure and caused it to collapse. Most "normal" people like to believe this one. :lmao:


Second is it was brought down by the use of thermite in a controlled demolition. This is what Alex Jones, CBC the passionate eye, and many others theorize.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified.htm

And the third is a scalar star wars weapon. That is Dr Wood as I've linked above.


Perhaps it is a combination of both. I agree does it change anything. We are aware of the motive behind the plot. How they did it may be irrelevant.

:nono:

[Seashore]

To start I would say that there was 3 theories.

The first is the "official story that the planes weakened the structure and caused it to collapse. Most "normal" people like to believe this one. :lmao:


Second is it was brought down by the use of thermite in a controlled demolition. This is what Alex Jones, CBC the passionate eye, and many others theorize.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified.htm

And the third is a scalar star wars weapon. That is Dr Wood as I've linked above.


Perhaps it is a combination of both. I agree does it change anything. We are aware of the motive behind the plot. How they did it may be irrelevant.

:nono:

micjer,

Thank you thank you thank you!!

I love it when people answer the question that was asked rather than some other question! :mfr_lol:

What is "CBC the passionate eye"?

Re. the use of thermite in a controlled demolition: isn't there an argument about thermite vs. nuclear weapon?

[micjer]

YouTube- 911 conspiracy files the third tower

[swordsmith]

I think if it was done with scalar weapons it is HIGHLY relevant in terms of supressed " free energy " technology. And what a demo!
Also some people just prefer the truth.
It's disturbing to me when people lie within a so called truth movement. Maybe some just don't know the difference.

[micjer]

I think if it was done with scalar weapons it is HIGHLY relevant in terms of supressed " free energy " technology. And what a demo!
Also some people just prefer the truth.
It's disturbing to me when people lie within a so called truth movement. Maybe some just don't know the difference.

Great point. I am leaning towards the scalar weapon also. Her work is very convincing. And yes, are there people within the truth movement that are trying to lead us down the wrong rabbit hole?

That is disturbing.:thumbdown:

[Seashore]

YouTube- 911 conspiracy files the third tower (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CeUHLA_O6k)

Thanks!

I like that video.

So the "Passionate Eye" is a regular feature of Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) News?

CBC News is mainstream - this would mean that the mainstream is challenging the official story?

[Seashore]

It's disturbing to me when people lie within a so called truth movement. Maybe some just don't know the difference.

Don't know the difference between a lie and the truth?

Are we compelled to conclude that people are lying? Maybe they just have different perspectives?

[micjer]

Thanks!

I like that video.

So the "Passionate Eye" is a regular feature of Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) News?

CBC News is mainstream - this would mean that the mainstream is challenging the official story?


CBC is not owned by the corporations. It is publicly owned, so they are not as censored.


Btw if you didn't know, the black man in the documentary , Barry Jennings was found dead from mysterious circumstances.

http://www.groundreport.com/US/Barry-Jennings-Key-9-11-Witness-Dies/2869565

[Seashore]

Btw if you didn't know, the black man in the documentary , Barry Jennings was found dead from mysterious circumstances.

http://www.groundreport.com/US/Barry-Jennings-Key-9-11-Witness-Dies/2869565

:mfr_omg:

I think I remember this.

He was a WTC7 survivor. A key witness. Jason Bermas and Dylan Avery interviewed him. On Infowars.com it was discussed that when he died, I believe it was Dylan who was very shaken because they had made a public figure out of a key 9-11 witness.

[orthodoxymoron]

Building 7 really seems to be the smoking gun. If I'm not mistaken...the 9/11 Commission Report barely mentioned it. My question is 'how can the full truth be properly revealed so the legitimate U.S. Government is not destroyed'. The bad-guys and good-guys may be all mixed together...sort of like the wheat and tares that Jesus talked about. If there was military or government involvement...and it seems that there was some...I believe it was coerced or forced...with dire threats and blackmailings, etc. I tend to think this involved several nations (including an alien nation?) and organizations...and may go very deep (DUMB's?) and very high (Dark Side of the Moon?). The full truth may be very complex and very upsetting. A coverup may have been necessary to prevent the collapse of the government and total anarchy. I think that the people in the military, intel, and government who really know the details of what happened...are much more upset about what happened than even the truthers. I'm really not looking forward to 'Disclosure'.

Tangentially...has anyone read '102 Minutes'. It's a very good book by two NY Times reporters (I think) which pieces together the personal experiences of people who were inside the towers on 9/11. It places you inside the towers...during the whole mess. It also goes into details of the design and construction of the WTC.

I found an interesting 9/11 website where you click on the various buildings and locations to view videos of those locations on 9/11. http://www.history.com/content/9-11/102-minutes#/home/

[Seashore]

I think that the people in the military, intel, and government who really know the details of what happened...are much more upset...

Don't you think "afraid" would be a better word than "upset"?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

The scarla weaponary link is tenuous at best. Focusing on that kind of evidence will not move 9/11 truth forward or bring justice to the 9/11 families. Instead, study the hard FACTS like nano-thermite and so on.

[Seashore]

The scarla weaponary link is tenuous at best. Focusing on that kind of evidence will not move 9/11 truth forward or bring justice to the 9/11 families. Instead, study the hard FACTS like nano-thermite and so on.

Is there an argument within the truth movement about thermite vs. a nuclear weapon? Is nano-thermite a weak version of a nuclear weapon?

[micjer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&hl=en&v=M4YsLnIFEr4&NR=1


Whose is to say it wasn't a combination of many weapons. Kinda creates a double jeopardy situation. There is definately evidence to support both theories. You can see the bombs detonating as the building is collapsing, and molten steel was found weeks later supporting the thermite theory....But there is also a lack of material in the rubble supporting the fact that much of it was dematerialized. Does it have to be one or the other. I for one don't think so.

All I know for sure is that the idea that the two planes caused the buildings to collapse is rediculous and would have happened immediately upon impact, not from jet fuel melting the steel beams. Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to do this, and certainly office furniture is not going to increase the intensity enough to do it either.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

There are 3 peer-reviewed papers on un-reacted nano thermite (which is only made in 2 u.s. labs) being found in WTC dust. The fact that highly advanced explosives have been found has not been successfully debunked or disputed. There is hard science and practical research to back up these findings. There is zero science behind the scalar theory. Only conjecture and interpretive observations. Nano-thermite is a chemical reaction, not nuclear.

[Seashore]

Nano-thermite is a chemical reaction, not nuclear.

Oh!!

Thanks.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Here is the peer-reviewed paper on nano-thermite:

http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

Also please read the first 2 parts of an amazing artcle about how explosives could have been planted in the towers and the connections between the tennents of the WTC buildings and gov contractors for explosives and WTC security....

PT. 1 http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090713033854249

PT. 2 http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090813150853871

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Has anyone seen this on Judy's website. It shows the steel turning to dust.

Amazing how she has put the pieces together.

Check out figure 37 on this page.

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam3.html

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/dustspire.gif

That clips shows dust coated steel falling away and leaving the dust behind. Not steel turning to dust. There is no emprical evidence to draw a conclusion baout that clip.

[micjer]

I am open to all theories, and there is evidence that the thermite theory is correct. However, I am not going to say that Dr Wood does not have science behind her theory. To say that she has no science would be to deny the fact that directed energy weapons do not exist. Well I 100% certain that they do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon


A directed-energy weapon (DEW) is a type of weapon that emits energy in an aimed direction without the means of a projectile. It transfers energy to a target for a desired effect. Some of these weapons are real or in development;

[Dr.No.]

wow
this is one hell of a list

Jon Gold has produced a list of 50 groups of facts that disprove or contradict the official myth about 9/11. Rooted in The Complete 9/11 Timeline at historycommons.org aka cooperativeresearch.org (http://911reports.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/the-facts-speak-for-themselves-by-jon-gold/)

go to the source (http://www.911blogger.com/node/17949) for inline links
http://www.911blogger.com/node/17949

The Facts Speak For Themselves
By Jon Gold
Created 2009-10-06 15:17

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Jon Gold
9/25/2008

Before I begin, I would like to say that theorizing about what happened on 9/11, when you're not being given answers to your questions about that day by the people who SHOULD be able to do so, is PERFECTLY normal. As is suspecting that the reason these answers aren't being given is "sinister" in nature. As Ray McGovern said, "for people to dismiss these questioners as "conspiratorial advocates", or "conspiratorial theorists"... that's completely out of line because the... The questions remain because the President who should be able to answer them, WILL NOT." When you think about everything the previous Administration did in 8 years, the idea that they might not be giving us the answers we seek because of something "sinister" is not crazy. In fact, it's the most logical conclusion one can come to at this point. After seven plus years of obfuscation, spin, lies, and cover-ups regarding the 9/11 attacks, it is unavoidable to think that criminal complicity is the reason why.

That being said, we have not proven it beyond the shadow of doubt. We do not have documentation that shows they planned it. We do not have a signed confession from someone. We have pieces of the puzzle, and to most of us that have been doing this a long time, those pieces point to more than just Osama Bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and 19 hijackers. If we could somehow download all of our knowledge to every person on the planet, this fight would be over tomorrow. However, we can't do that. I wish we could. I wish the media would DO THEIR JOB. But, they're not. Therefore, we have to be smart with how we approach people. This is America, and in America, you are innocent until proven guilty.

As I have often said, we don't need to come up with a narrative (theory) because our facts speak for themselves. I am going to do my very best to prove my point. A lot of these facts are from mainstream news outlets. Yes, they do report the news, but they DO NOT put the pieces together, they DO NOT ask the tough questions over and over again until they get an answer, they DO NOT give these facts the attention they should, reminiscent of the attention that Britney Spears, Scott Peterson, The Aruba Murders, and The Swift Boat Veterans got, and they DO NOT portray us in any other light except as "Conspiracy Theorists."

Fact #1
The Bush Administration was predominantly made up of members of an organization called "The Project For A New American Century." This group produced a document entitled, "Rebuilding America's Defenses [2]" that said the "process of transformation [3]" they wanted our military to undertake would take an excessively long time, unless there was a "catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor." That document was written in September 2000. This document even cited that "advanced forms of biological warfare that can "target" specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." A lot of the same people were part of a group that wrote a report [4] entitled, "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" that advocated an aggressive Israeli policy in the Middle East.

Fact #2
The Bush Administration came into office wanting to go to war with Iraq [5]. This is so heavily documented that Veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas asked [6] the President about it. He denied it of course, and used 9/11 as the justification for what he and his administration have done.

Fact #3
Dick Cheney was the CEO for a company called Halliburton. During his tenure there, he gave a speech [7] at the Institute of Petroleum that said, "while many regions of the world offer great oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greater access there, progress continues to be slow." On 10/11/2005, it was reported that the shares that Dick Cheney claimed he no longer had with Halliburton, rose 3281% in one year [8].

Fact #4
In early 2001, Dick Cheney was put in charge of The National Energy Policy Development Group, or "Energy Task Force" for short. He prepared for this during the transition [9] between the Clinton and Bush administrations. The task force met with what appears to be every oil executive in existence, even though they denied it [10] before Congress. It was eventually discovered that one of the topics of discussion [11] during these task force meetings was Iraq's oil fields. Five months before 9/11. The Vice President's office fought long and hard [12] to make sure the information from those meetings never saw the light of day. They even took the fight to the Supreme Court [13]. Many were suspicious of the hunting trip [14] that Antonin Scalia, and Dick Cheney went on prior to the Supreme Court hearing the case. Scalia was proud of the fact [15] that he didn't recuse himself from the hearings. Ultimately, they sent the fight to an appeals court, and it was decided [16] that Cheney's Task Force documents may remain secret.

Fact #5
In the months leading up to 9/11, there was an unprecedented amount of warnings [17] that "Al-Qaeda" was about to conduct an attack. So many that CIA Director George Tenet was said to be running around with his "hair on fire [18]," and so many that a lot were not taken seriously "because of "warning fatigue [19]" arising from too many terror warnings." One of those warnings came in the form of a Presidential Daily Briefing entitled, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S. [20]" that was initially hidden by the White House. Another came on July 10th, 2001 that spoke of an "imminent threat [21]," that was completely omitted from the 9/11 Report, and then lied about [22] after it became public knowledge. Condi even had the audacity to ask [23] "does anybody really believe that somebody would have walked into my office and said, oh, by the way, there's a chance of a major attack against the United States and I would have said, well, I'm really not interested in that information?" Cheney said [24] that his "Democratic friends in Congress... need to be very cautious not to seek political advantage by making incendiary suggestions, as were made by some today, that the White House had advance information that would have prevented the tragic attacks of 9/11."

Fact #6
There are indications that military action in Afghanistan was planned before 9/11. On 3/7/2001, the New York Times reports [25] that Deputy National Security Advisor Steve Hadley chairs an informal meeting to discuss Al-Qaeda. The approach is "two-pronged and included a crisis warning effort to deal with immediate threats and longer-range planning by senior officials to put into place a comprehensive strategy to eradicate al-Qaeda." On 3/15/2001, Jane's Intelligence Review reports [26] that the U.S. is working with India, Iran, and Russia "in a concerted front against Afghanistan’s Taliban regime." General William Kernan, commander in chief of the Joint Forces Command said that "the details of Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan which fought the Taliban and al-Qaeda after the September 11 attacks, were largely taken from a scenario examined by Central Command in May 2001." On 6/26/2001, it is reported [27] that "India and Iran will ‘facilitate’ US and Russian plans for ‘limited military action’ against the Taliban if the contemplated tough new economic sanctions don’t bend Afghanistan’s fundamentalist regime." In late Summer 2001, the Guardian will report [28] that "reliable western military sources say a US contingency plan exist[s] on paper by the end of the summer to attack Afghanistan from the north." In early August, a senior Taliban official in the defense ministry will tell journalist Hamid Mir that "[W]e believe Americans are going to invade Afghanistan and they will do this before October 15, 2001, and justification for this would be either one of two options: Taliban got control of Afghanistan or a big major attack against American interests either inside America or elsewhere in the world." The President had plans for the invasion of Afghanistan [29] on his desk on 9/9/2001. They "outlined essentially the same war plan that the White House, the CIA and the Pentagon put into action after the Sept. 11 attacks. The administration most likely was able to respond so quickly to the attacks because it simply had to pull the plans “off the shelf." On 7/21/2001, three former American officials, Tom Simons, Karl Inderfurth, and Lee Coldren met [30] with Pakistani and Russian intelligence officers in a Berlin hotel. At the meeting, Coldren passes on a message [31] from Bush officials. He later says, "I think there was some discussion of the fact that the United States was so disgusted with the Taliban that they might be considering some military action." Former Pakistani Foreign Secretary Niaz Naik [32] later says he is allegedly told by senior American officials at the meeting that military action to overthrow the Taliban in Afghanistan is planned to "take place before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at the latest."

Fact #7
On the day of 9/11, a number of key personnel were "scattered [33]" across the country, and the world. With few exceptions, including Dick Cheney [34]. The President of the United States, at a time when America was "under attack [35]" from kamikaze hijackers in commercial airliners, in a highly publicized location [36], 5 miles away from an international airport [37], in a classroom full of children, was not whisked away by the Secret Service. His conduct on the morning of 9/11 changed [38] on the first anniversary.

Fact #8
On the morning of 9/11, there were several military exercises [39] taking place, some of which allegedly mirrored the events [40] taking place that day. A lot of different people didn't know whether or not the hijackings were "real-world or exercise [41]." According to Richard Clarke [42], on the morning of 9/11 at around 9:28am, he says to Gen. Richard Myers during a video teleconference “I assume NORAD has scrambled fighters and AWACS. How many? Where?” Myers, who is at the Pentagon, replies it's, “NOT A PRETTY PICTURE, DICK (emphasis mine). WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF VIGILANT WARRIOR, A NORAD EXERCISE (emphasis mine), but… Otis has launched two birds toward New York. Langley is trying to get two up now [toward Washington]. The AWACS are at Tinker and not on alert.” The 9/11 Report only mentioned one of these exercises, Vigilant Guardian, and in a footnote in the back of the book. On 2/25/2005, then Rep. Cynthia McKinney asked [43] (realplayer required) Donald Rumsfeld about the exercises that were taking place on 9/11, but did not get an answer on that day. On 3/10/2005, Rep. McKinney asked [44] Donald Rumsfeld, and Gen. Richard Myers about the exercises again. The first question asked by Rep. McKinney was, "whether or not the activities of the 4 wargames going on on Sept. 11th actually impaired our ability to respond to the attacks." Gen. Myers responded with, "the answer to the question is, no, did not impair our response. In fact, Gen. Eberhart who was in the command of the North American Aerospace Defense Command as he testified in front of the 9/11 Commission... I believe...I believe he told them that it enhanced our ability to respond." Then Rep. McKinney asked, "who was in charge of managing those wargames?," and was cut off by Rep. Duncan Hunter. Gen. Myers never gave a name, but he did say, "North American Aerospace Defense Command was responsible." She was promised an answer in writing and as far as I know, never received it.

Fact #9
From the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC), Dick Cheney allegedly monitored Flight 77 from 50 miles outside of Washington D.C. This, according to Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta [45]. According to Mineta, "during the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "The plane is 50 miles out." "The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, "Do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" The 9/11 Report states that Cheney didn't arrive in the PEOC until 9:58. No video conferences from within the PEOC have been made available. No personnel records for who was in the PEOC have been made available. The "young man" Norman Mineta mentioned has never been named, and was never brought before the 9/11 Commission to testify.

Fact #10
On the day of 9/11, Donald Rumsfeld started planning the Iraq War [46]. DoD Staffer Stephen Cambone [47] took down several notes with regards to what Rumsfeld was saying. "Best info fast... judge whether good enough [to] hit S.H. [Saddam Hussein] at same time - not only UBL [Usama Bin Laden]" [...] "Go massive... Sweep it all up. Things related and not." [...] "Hard to get a good case."

Fact #11
Between 9:30pm and 10:00pm on 9/11/2001, Bush says [48], "this is a great opportunity. We have to think of this as an opportunity." He does so again during his State Of The Union speech [49] on 1/29/2002. Karl Rove said [50], "sometimes history sends you things and 9/11 came our way."

Fact #12
In the days and months following the attacks, several people within the administration and elsewhere tried to tie Iraq to 9/11. General Wesley Clark said [51], "there were many people, inside and outside the government, who tried to link Saddam Hussein to Sept. 11." According to George Tenet, shortly after 9/11, Richard Perle said [52], "Iraq has to pay a price for what happened yesterday, they bear responsibility." Former CIA Director James Woolsey said [53], "[I]ntelligence and law enforcement officials investigating the case would do well to at least consider another possibility: that the attacks-whether perpetrated by bin Laden and his associates or by others-were sponsored, supported, and perhaps even ordered by Saddam Hussein," he writes. "As yet, there is no evidence of explicit state sponsorship of the September 11 attacks. But absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." Dick Cheney claimed [54] the bogus [55] Atta-Iraqi spy meeting had been, "pretty well confirmed, that he did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the attack." Since that time, they have done so again [56], and again [57], and again [58], and again [59], and again [60], and again [61], and again [62], and again [63], and again [64], and again [65], and again [66], and again [67], and again [68], and again [69], and again [70], and again [71], and even Hillary [72] did it. On 5/14/2009, it was reported [73] that Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi was tortured "in an effort to produce intelligence tying Iraq to al Qaeda." According to Colin Powell's former Chief of Staff, "what I have learned is that as the administration authorized harsh interrogation in April and May of 2002–well before the Justice Department had rendered any legal opinion–its principal priority for intelligence was not aimed at pre-empting another terrorist attack on the U.S. but discovering a smoking gun linking Iraq and al-Qa'ida."

Fact #13
The heads of the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11, Rep. Porter Goss, and Sen. Bob Graham, along with Sen. John Kyl, met with an alleged financier of the attacks on the day of [74] 9/11.

Fact #14
The Joint Congressional Inquiry, which both Bush and Cheney tried to "limit the scope [75]" of, released a report with 28 redacted pages [76]. Apparently, those 28 pages [77] talk about "possible Saudi Arabian financial links." In 2004, Sen. Bob Graham says that the Bush White House is covering up [78] Saudi Arabia's possible connection to the two hijackers that lived in San Diego. He said the information about them, "present[s] a compelling case that there was Saudi assistance." He also says that the Bush Administration directed the FBI to "to restrain and obfuscate" any investigations into the connection. The landlord of the two hijackers was Abdussatar Shaikh, an FBI asset handled by agent Steven Butler [79]. The FBI originally tried to prevent [80] Butler from testifying before the Congressional Inquiry, but when he finally did, he said that he may have been able to uncover the 9/11 plot if the CIA shared their information on the two hijackers. He said, "it would have made a huge difference." [...] "We would have immediately opened... investigations. We would have given them the full court press. We would... have done everything-physical surveillance, technical surveillance, and other assets." On 1/8/2008, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported [81] that "a huge lawsuit against the government of Saudi Arabia and key members of its royal family was put to a crucial test today as lawyers for victims of the 9/11 attacks urged a federal appeals court to reinstate the government of Saudi Arabia as a defendant." The Cozen O'Connor law firm in Philadelphia "was the first to file suit against the government of Saudi Arabia in 2003, charging that the desert kingdom bears responsibility for the attacks because it permitted Islamic charities under its control to bankroll Osama bin Laden and his global terror movement." The lawsuit "suffered a setback in 2005 when New York federal district court judge Richard Conway Casey ruled that the federal foreign sovereign immunity act barred lawsuits against Saudi Arabia and members of the royal family." On 11/13/2008, it was reported [82] that "thousands of victims of the 9/11 attacks appealed to the Supreme Court yesterday, asking it to overturn a lower court decision barring lawsuits against Saudi Arabia for supporting acts of terrorism." On 1/6/2009, it is reported [83] that "lawyers for Saudi Arabia have asserted in court papers that the Supreme Court should reject arguments that the desert kingdom be held accountable for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks because, over a period of many years, it financed al-Qaeda. In papers filed with the Supreme Court, lawyers for the kingdom and several high-ranking Saudi royals say that U.S. law provides blanket immunity to Saudi Arabia from lawsuits over the 9/11 attacks." On 2/24/2009, it is reported [84] that "the Supreme Court yesterday asked the U.S. Solicitor General's office to weigh in on whether a huge lawsuit against the government of Saudi Arabia charging that it was a source of terrorist financing before the 9/11 attacks should move forward." On 5/29/2009, the New York Times reports [85] that "the Justice Department, in a brief filed Friday before the Supreme Court, said it did not believe the Saudis could be sued in American court over accusations brought by families of the Sept. 11 victims that the royal family had helped finance Al Qaeda. The department said it saw no need for the court to review lower court rulings that found in the Saudis’ favor in throwing out the lawsuit." 9/11 Family Member, and "Jersey Girl" Kristen Breitweiser said, "I find this reprehensible. One would have hoped that the Obama administration would have taken a different stance than the Bush administration, and you wonder what message this sends to victims of terrorism around the world." On 5/30/2009, the victims family members released two press releases. The first one states [86], "today the Obama Administration filed in the Supreme Court a document that expressed the Administration's decision to stand with a group of Saudi princes and against the right of American citizens -- 9/11 family members -- to have our day in court. Let there be no doubt: The filing was political in nature and stands as a betrayal of everyone who lost a loved one or was injured on September 11, 2001." The second one states [87], "on the day that President Obama holds his first summit with Saudi Arabian King Abdullah in Riyadh, the 9/11 Families United to Bankrupt Terrorism charged that recent actions by his administration would enable five of the king's closest relatives to escape accountability for their role in financing and materially supporting the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks." The second press release lists "allegations made in 2002 of the Saudi royal family's sponsorship and support of al Qaeda that the families believe have been ignored by the Obama Administration." On 6/9/2009, the Philadelphia Inquirer reports [88] that this case "is likely to reach a critical juncture this month when the U.S. Supreme Court is expected to decide whether to hear arguments on Saudi Arabia's legal exposure." It goes on to say that "the hurdle for the plaintiffs, both insurers and individual victims, isn't simply facts and law, but also the political dimensions. Saudi Arabia is one of the United States' most important allies in the Middle East. It has been a forward staging area for the U.S. military, deemed an important counterweight to Iran's regional ambitions, seen as a huge source of energy, and a very big purchaser of American goods and services." Tom Burnett who lost his son on Flight 93 asks, "why would the Obama administration give less weight to the principles of justice, transparency, and security and more to the pleadings of a foreign government? It strikes a blow against the public's right to know who financed and supported" the 9/11 attacks." "Kagan's May 29 brief, representing the opinion of the Obama administration, was significant because the Supreme Court in most cases follows the solicitor general's lead." On 6/11/2009, the Philadelphia Inquirer reports [89] that "lawyers representing victims of the 9/11 attacks charge that the government sought to "appease" Saudi Arabia by urging the Supreme Court not to hear arguments that the kingdom could be sued for its alleged role in funding the attackers." A "brief filed by the Center City law firm of Cozen O'Connor and other lawyers representing victims, employed unusually scathing and at times emotional language, suggesting at one point that the government's brief was timed to coincide with President Obama's visit to Saudi Arabia last week." "A spokeswoman for U.S. Solictor General Elena Kagan said the May 29 filing of the government's brief had been determined by the schedule of the Supreme Court, which is expected to decide whether to hear the case by the end of the month." On 6/23/2009, the Washington Times reports [90] that a "series of closed-door meetings between the relatives' groups and Justice Department officials, arranged as an update on Mr. Obama's plan to close the detention facility at the U.S. Naval Base Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, turned instead into a sharp clash over the Saudi legal action." Apparently, "the family members demanded to be be heard on the White House's stance during a series of closed-door meetings at the State Department and the Justice Department last week." On 6/24/2009, the New York Times reported [91] that "classified American intelligence documents related to Saudi finances were leaked anonymously to lawyers for the families." It goes on to say that Obama's "Justice Department had the lawyers’ copies destroyed and now wants to prevent a judge from even looking at the material." 9/11 Family Member Kristen Breitweiser "said in an interview that during a White House meeting in February between President Obama and victims’ families, the president told her that he was willing to make the pages (28 redacted pages of the JICI) public. But she said she had not heard from the White House since then." On 6/29/2009, it is reported [92] that "the Supreme Court has refused to allow victims of the Sept. 11 attacks to pursue lawsuits against Saudi Arabia and four of its princes over charitable donations that were allegedly funneled to al-Qaida." The "justices refused [93] to review the ruling by a U.S. appeals court in New York that the Saudi defendants were protected by sovereign immunity in the lawsuit brought by victims of the attacks and their families." The Supreme Court "turned down the appeal without comment."

Fact #15
The Bush Administration was the families' "biggest adversary [94]" when it came to the creation of a so-called Independent 9/11 Commission. The families had to fight "tooth and nail [95]," and lobby [96] to get an investigation because the Bush Administration clearly did not [97] want one [98]. Dick Cheney and George Bush refused [99] to testify under oath before select individuals of the 9/11 Commission even though the families wanted [100] them to. They testified together, not in public, and no recordings were allowed. The families requested the transcripts of their meeting, but were denied. They made it difficult [101] for the commission to get funding. They tried to make Henry Kissinger [102] the Chairman of the commission, but he resigned [103] after the families started asking too many questions. Alberto Gonzales "stonewalled [104]" the 9/11 Commission's access to the White House. They appointed Thomas Kean [105] as Chairman, someone "who will be easily controlled by the administration," and Lee Hamilton, a long time friend [106] of Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld to be the co-chair. Hamilton participated in two inquiries that resulted in cover-ups. The Iran/Contra Affair inquiry [107], and the October Surprise [108] inquiry.

Fact #16
Philip Zelikow was the Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission. Paul Sperry explained [109], "though he has no vote, (Zelikow) arguably has more sway than any member, including the chairman. Zelikow picks the areas of investigation, the briefing materials, the topics for hearings, the witnesses, and the lines of questioning for witnesses... In effect, he sets the agenda and runs the investigation." In 1995, Zelikow wrote a book with Condoleezza Rice called [110], "Germany Unified and Europe Transformed: A Study in Statecraft." While at Harvard [111], "he worked with Ernest May and Richard Neustadt on the use, and misuse, of history in policymaking. They observed, as Zelikow noted in his own words, that "contemporary" history is "defined functionally by those critical people and events that go into forming the public's presumptions about its immediate past. The idea of 'public presumption'," he explained, "is akin to William McNeill's notion of 'public myth' but without the negative implication sometimes invoked by the word 'myth.' Such presumptions are beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community." Between 1997 and 1998, Zelikow helped to write a report that said [112] "Long part of the Hollywood and Tom Clancy repertory of nightmarish scenarios, catastrophic terrorism has moved from far-fetched horror to a contingency that could happen next month. Although the United States still takes conventional terrorism seriously... it is not yet prepared for the new threat of catastrophic terrorism." They predict the consequences of such an event: "An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people and/or disrupted the necessities of life for hundreds of thousands, or even millions, would be a watershed event in America's history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented for peacetime and undermine Americans' fundamental sense of security within their own borders in a manner akin to the 1949 Soviet atomic bomb test, or perhaps even worse. Constitutional liberties would be challenged as the United States sought to protect itself from further attacks by pressing against allowable limits in surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and the use of deadly force. More violence would follow, either as other terrorists seek to imitate this great 'success' or as the United States strikes out at those considered responsible. Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a 'before' and 'after.'" In 1997, Zelikow and Ernest May wrote a report about John F. Kennedy that is "riddled [113]" with errors. Zelikow wrote the pre-emptive war strategy [114] for the Bush Administration. Zelikow said that the "real threat [115]" with regards to Iraq's WMD was to Israel. Zelikow tried to prevent [116] the 9/11 Commission staffers from talking to the Commissioners. Zelikow tried to insert a false connection between Iraq and 9/11 [117] into the 9/11 Report, but the families [118], and the staffers [119] fought against it. It has been alleged that he may have taken direction [120] from Karl Rove who, according to Philip Shenon, was concerned [121] about the 9/11 Commission because "in the wrong hands... [it] could cost President Bush a second term." The allegation regarding Rove drove the September Eleventh Advocates (formerly known as "The Jersey Girls") to call for an entirely new investigation [122]. Only Rawstory.com covered that story. In early 2003, Philip Zelikow and Ernest May wrote [123] a complete outline of the final 9/11 Report. Zelikow, Kean, and Hamilton decided to keep this outline a secret from the commission staffers. When "it was later disclosed that Zelikow had prepared a detailed outline of the commission's final report at the very start of the investigation, many of the staff's investigators were alarmed." He rewrote the 9/11 Report to be more favorable [124] of Condoleezza Rice. During the time of the 9/11 Commission, the families called for the resignation of Philip Zelikow [125], but were denied that request. After the 9/11 Commission was finished, Philip Zelikow was given a job [126] with Condoleezza Rice at the State Department.

Fact #17
NORAD gave three different timelines [127] with regards to their response on the day of 9/11. Sen. Mark Dayton slammed the 9/11 Commissioners for what the 9/11 Report said about NORAD. On 6/17/2004, 9/11 Commissioner Jamie Gorelick [128] will question Gen. Myers about NORAD's mission. "In my experience, the military is very clear about its charters, and who is supposed to do what. So if you go back and you look at the foundational documents for NORAD, they do not say defend us only against a threat coming in from across the ocean, or across our borders. It has two missions, and one of them is control of the airspace above the domestic United States, and aerospace control is defined as providing surveillance and control of the airspace of Canada and the United States. To me that air sovereignty concept means that you have a role which, if you were postured only externally you defined out of the job." [...] "I would like to know, as the second question, is it your job, and if not whose job is it, to make current assessments of a threat, and decide whether you are positioned correctly to carry out a mission, which at least on paper NORAD had." At the end of this exchange, Gen. Myers asks, "did I answer both questions?" Jamie Gorelick responds, "yes, and no, and my time has expired." According to information collected by Dean Jackson [129], NORAD's mission at the time, coincided with Jamie Gorelick's understanding of it. On 8/2/2006, the Washington Post [130] reported that "the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public" and that "the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation." Later, it was reported that NORAD's mistakes [131] were due to "inadequate forensic capabilities" and "poor record-keeping." William P. Goehring, a spokesman for the Inspector General's office, said that "the question of whether military commanders intentionally withheld the truth from the commission would be addressed in a separate report that is still in preparation." To my knowledge, that report has not been released as of this date. Here are some excerpts from Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton's book, "Without Precedent [132]." "There were also discrepancies between things NORAD was telling us about their performance on the morning of September 11—things that the agency had stated publicly after 9/11—and the story told by the limited tapes and documents the commission had received…. These were puzzling and disturbing developments, and they account in part for some of the more bizarre and inaccurate conspiracy theories about 9/11." [...] "Farmer believed that NORAD was delivering incomplete records with the knowledge that the commission had a fixed end date that could be waited out." [...] "Throughout the course of our inquiry, the topic that invited the most skepticism—and thus the most conspiracy theorizing—was the performance of the FAA and NORAD on the day of September 11, 2001." [...] "Fog of war could explain why some people were confused on the day of 9/11, but it could not explain why all of the after-action reports, accident investigations, and public testimony by FAA and NORAD officials advanced an account of 9/11 that was untrue." On 9/17/2001, NORAD gives a briefing [133] to the White House. 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey will say "it feels like something happened in that briefing that produced almost a necessity to deliver a story that's different than what actually happened on that day."

Fact #18
Different pieces of evidence have been destroyed or is being withheld from the public. Kevin Delaney, the quality assurance manager for the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center, destroyed [134] a tape recorded by six Air Traffic Controllers on the morning of 9/11 "by breaking up the plastic housing and cutting the tape into small fragments, depositing the remnants in trash cans throughout the Center." 2.5 terabytes of information regarding Able Danger was destroyed [135] in April/May 2000. The CIA destroyed [136] interrogation tapes. In 2003, a book was written by Gail Swanson entitled, "Behind-the-Scenes: Ground Zero [137]" that is a "collection of personal accounts" from people that were at Ground Zero on that day. In that book, Firefighter Nicholas DeMasi says "at one point I was assigned to take Federal Agents around the site to search for the black boxes from the planes. We were getting ready to go out. My ATV was parked at the top of the stairs at the Brooks Brothers entrance area. We loaded up about a million dollars worth of equipment and strapped it into the ATV. When we got into the ATV to take off, the agent accidentally pushed me forward. The ATV was already in reverse, and my foot went down on the gas pedal. We went down the stairs in reverse. Fortunately, everything was okay. There were a total of four black boxes. We found three." The 9/11 Commission says those black boxes were not found. Most of the steel from the WTC was removed [138], cut into smaller sections, and either melted at a recycling plant or shipped out of the U.S. Fire Engineering magazine wrote [139], "We are literally treating the steel removed from the site like garbage, not like crucial fire scene evidence."

Fact #19
Several Whistleblowers have come forward over the years with information pertinent to the 9/11 attacks. Most were ignored or censored [140] by the 9/11 Commission. Some of these people are John M. Cole (Senior Counterintelligence Operations Manager-FBI), Bogdan Dzakovic (Former Red Team Leader-FAA), Sibel Edmonds (Language Specialist-FBI), Behrooz Sarshar (Language Specialist-FBI), Melvin A. Goodman (Former Senior Analyst/ Division Manager-CIA), Gilbert Graham (Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence-FBI), Coleen Rowley (Retired Division Counsel- FBI), John Vincent (Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism-FBI), Robert Wright (Veteran Special Agent, Counterterrorism-FB), Mark Burton (Senior Analyst- NSA), Mike German (Special Agent, Counterterrorism-FBI), Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, and Scott Philpott. 9/11 Family Member Patty Casazza said [141] "Sibel came to, actually, the four widows, and asked us if she could get a hearing with the Commission because nobody of the Commission was responding to her requests to testify. And part of the problem with testifying, um... as someone who's working for one of the agencies, is that, they have to be careful with state secrets, what they reveal. And, in order to be a whistle-blower, and not be retaliated against, most whistle-blowers need to be subpoenaed, cause then their co-workers, and those who might retaliate against them, know that under penalty of, ya know, law, they could be... um... ya know, accused of being traitors and what not, and put in jail, or executed. So, most whistle-blowers were... did not come forward on the basis of what happened to Sibel Edmonds. Um, Sibel brought us many whistle-blowers, and I submitted them personally to Governor Kean, who was the Chairman of the Commission. And I said, "these people are not being subpoenaed. They will not come before the Commission voluntarily unless they are subpoenaed." And, he promised me... to my face that "every whistle-blower would be... indeed heard." And, most were not heard. Sibel was only heard because we dragged her in and surprised the Commission on one of the days we were meeting with them... that we had her with us. Um, we met other whistle-blowers on the side of the road in Maryland, ya know, to hear what they could tell us. None of them revealed state secrets to us by the way (laughs)... um, but, they had information... and basically, the Government knew... ya know, other than the exact moment... they knew the date, and the method of which the attacks were supposed to come. (pauses) And none of this made it to mainstream media. None of it made it into the Commission. And yet, again, all of your Representatives, on the day that the Commission book came out, were on their pulpits saying, "What a fabulous job this Commission has done. A real service to this nation [142]." And it was anything but a service. It was a complete fabrication." On October 29th, 2007, Sibel Edmonds agreed to break [143] the gag order that was placed on her, and tell her entire story to the media. Until very recently [144], the only paper to take the challenge [145] was the Sunday Times. At the time, the media in this country did not give her the time of day with one exception [146] that I know of, and it wasn't prominently displayed. Sibel's story mentions the same alleged financier [147] of the 9/11 attacks that Rep. Porter Goss, Sen. Graham, and Sen. Kyl met with on the morning of 9/11. More about Sibel will be mentioned later.

Fact #20
Apparently, Lt. General Mahmood Ahmed [148], the head of the Pakistani ISI, someone who met with U.S. elected and appointed officials [149] in the weeks before 9/11, on the day of 9/11, and in the days after 9/11, ordered possible [150] MI6 Agent Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh [151] to wire transfer $100,000 to Mohammad Atta [152]. The 9/11 Families' submitted a question [153] to the 9/11 Commission about this incident. Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI's Counterterrorism Division, John S. Pistole [154] stated that their investigation "has traced the origin of the funding of 9/11 back to financial accounts in Pakistan, where high-ranking and well-known al-Qaeda operatives played a major role in moving the money forward, eventually into the hands of the hijackers located in the US." In January 2002, during a visit to India, FBI Director Robert Mueller [155] was told about Saeed Sheikh's involvement in the 9/11 attacks by Indian Investigators. Apparently [156], "on the eve of the publication of its report, the 9/11 Commission was given a stunning document from Pakistan, claiming that Pakistani intelligence officers knew in advance of the 9/11 attacks." On 3/3/2006, the Friday Times [157] reported that "Pakistan gave tens of thousands of dollars through its lobbyists in the United States to members of the 9/11 inquiry commission to ‘convince’ them to drop some anti-Pakistan findings in the report." This according to FO Official Sadiq. According to the Pakistan paper Daily Times [158], this story about bribery "triggered" U.S. media interest. I don't remember seeing any mention of this story at all. If you know of an American media outlet that investigated this story, and reported on the results of that investigation, please let me know. On 4/10/2006, Pakistan officially denied [159] the allegations of bribery. “Pakistan has never indulged in the illegal activity of bribing or buying influence anywhere in the world,” said a statement issued by the FO spokesperson here on Sunday. On 10/1/2001, Lt. Gen. Ahmed and Saeed Sheikh may have been involved in another "terrorist attack" [160] together. Recently, it was reported that Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh has been running a terrorist network [161] from prison, and was planning to assassinate President Musharraf. Former ISI Chief Hamid Gul recently defended [162] Lt. Gen. Ahmed regarding the allegations of the wire transfer. On 3/15/2002, Condoleeza Rice is asked a question about Lt. Gen. Ahmed. "Dr. Rice, are you aware of the reports at the time that ISI Chief was in Washington on September 11th, and on September 10th, $100,000 was wired to Pakistan to this group here in this area? While he was here meeting with you or anybody in the administration?" Her response was, "I have not seen that report, and he was certainly not meeting with me." The transcript [163] of this has "ISI Chief" replaced with "--."

Fact #21
On the morning of 9/11, a homemaker by the name of Maria will notice a group of people sitting on top of a white van. She says [164], "They seemed to be taking a movie" at the time of the first impact. She calls the police. At 3:31pm on 9/11, the FBI issues [165] a BOLO (be on the lookout) that says, "White, 2000 Chevrolet van...with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center.... Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals." At 3:56pm on 9/11, these individuals are arrested [166]. On 9/14/2001, the owner of Urban Moving Systems flees [167] to Israel. Because of great pressure [168] in late October 2001, the arrested men, allegedly Israeli spies, are released [169] in November 2001. One of the men claims [170] "our purpose was to document the event."

Fact #22
No one has been held accountable, and instead, people that don't deserve it, have been promoted. [171]

Fact #23
On 9/11/2006, 9/11 Family members Donna Marsh O'Connor, Michele Little, and Christina Kminek, along with Kyle Hence (Executive Producer of 9/11: Press For Truth), and Paul Thompson (http://www.historycommons.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; [172], author of "The Terror Timeline"), called for a new investigation [173] (RealPlayer required) at the National Press Club in Washington D.C. I believe this [174] is the only news outlet to cover it. Over the years, different family members like Bob McIlvaine [175], Lorie Van Auken [176], Daniel Wallace [177] (RIP), Barry Zelman [178], and Manny Badillo [179] have spoken out for the truth. The September Eleventh Advocates have released letter [180] after letter [181] after letter [182] after letter [183] after letter [184] after letter [185] after letter [186] after letter [187] after letter [188] after letter [189] after letter [190] trying to get some truth. The media has been silent. Right now, there is an effort underway [191] in New York to get a new investigation on the ballot. So far, the city has argued [192] that a real/new investigation into 9/11 is "not a proper subject to be placed before the voters." When Supreme Court Justice Edward Lehner asked city counselor Steve Kitzinger "if the City had done anything to investigate 9/11. Kitzinger flatly responded, "No." In disbelief, Judge Lerner responded with, "the City never did anything?" 9/11 Whistleblowers Coleen Rowley [193], and LTC Anthony Shaffer [194] have endorsed this initiative.

Fact #24
The United States Government has not fully cooperated with international investigations into 9/11. With regards to Abdelghani Mzoudi [195], the United States "would not allow Mzoudi’s defense to cross-examine bin al-Shibh," and as a result he was acquitted. During an appeal, "Kay Nehm, Germany’s top federal prosecutor, again appeals to the US State Department to release interrogation records of bin al-Shibh to the court. However, the US still refuses to release the evidence, and a list of questions the court gives to the US for bin al-Shibh to answer are never answered." With regards to Mounir El-Motassadeq, his conviction having to do with the 9/11 attacks was overturned [196] after finding that "German and US authorities withheld evidence." He was later convicted [197] for his "Al-Qaeda" membership, but not for 9/11.

Fact #25
As I mentioned in the introduction, the Mainstream Media has not covered the questions concerning the 9/11 attacks as they should, and for the most part, with the exception of small town news [198], have attacked those that do. According to James Goodale [199], the founders of the United States "enacted the First Amendment to distinguish their new government from that of England, which had long censored the press and prosecuted persons who dared to criticize the British Crown." On 10/31/2005, Reporters Without Borders reported [200] that the United States ranked 44th in the world for Freedom Of The Press "mainly because of the imprisonment of New York Times reporter Judith Miller and legal moves undermining the privacy of journalistic sources." At the recent RNC, several journalists, including Amy Goodman [201] of DemocracyNow were arrested [202]. Over the years, the Mainstream Media has essentially used George Bush's policy [203] of never tolerating "outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September 11th - malicious lies that attempt to shift blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty." At first, and still, they have referred to anyone that questions the events of 9/11 as "Conspiracy Theorists." They have done so again [204], and again [205], and again [206], and again [207], and again [208], and again [209], and again [210], and again [211]. The Mainstream Media has also repeatedly focused on what is considered the "fringe [212]" of the 9/11 Truth Movement, and has ignored the more credible researchers. Several celebrities have spoken out for 9/11 Truth. Each time one has done so, almost in unison [213], the Mainstream Media has attacked them. They have done so again [214], and again [215], and again [216], and again [217], and again [218]. They have portrayed those who question the official account as "unpatriotic [219]," and also as "terrorist sympathizers [220]." We were even painted [221] as Holocaust Denying murderers. As pointed out in Fact #23, the media has also ignored [222] the 9/11 Family Members who question the official account, but they have also given a lot of attention to people like Ann Coulter that have attacked some of those family members again [223], and again [224], and again [225]. The September Eleventh Advocates responded [226] to Coulter's remarks. The media has heavily promoted movies like "Path To 9/11 [227]" which are factually incorrect, and ignored movies liked "9/11: Press For Truth [228]," which calls into question the entire 9/11 Report, and is endorsed by the family members that fought for it. The MSM have also repeatedly said that if you question the official account of 9/11, you are dishonoring the family members [229].

Fact #26
The 9/11 Commission was mandated [230] to give a “full and complete accounting” of the attacks of September 11, 2001 and recommendations as to how to prevent such attacks in the future." The 9/11 Commission had the power of subpoena, but rarely used it. Instead, they used what were called "document requests [231]" which could be, and were ignored. As mentioned in Fact #19, several whistleblowers were brought forward, but were either censored or ignored [232] by the 9/11 Commission. Early on, the 9/11 Commission didn't hold people under oath. At one point, an advertising campaign [233] was started that asked for people to be held under oath. On 4/27/2009, a memo [234] was discovered that talked about "Government Minders" intimidating witnesses. According to Kevin Fenton's article, they "answer[ed] questions directed at witnesses," they "acted as "monitors, reporting to their respective agencies on Commission staffs lines of inquiry and witnesses' verbatim responses." The staff thought this "conveys to witnesses that their superiors will review their statements and may engage in retribution," and they "positioned themselves physically and have conducted themselves in a manner that we believe intimidates witnesses from giving full and candid responses to our questions." The following are some quotes from 9/11 Commissioners Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton from their book "Without Precedent [235]." "The two sides decided to split the difference, allowing eighteen months for the inquiry—a period of time that proved insufficient" [....] "The White House also suggested some candidates for executive director for our staff. The importance of this position cannot be overstated" [...] "…we seriously only considered one candidate: Philip Zelikow…. Zelikow was a controversial choice. In the 1990s, as an academic, he had co-authored, with Condoleezza Rice, a book about German unification, and he later assisted Stephen Hadley in running the National Security Council transition for the incoming Bush administration in 2000-2001" [...] "After Philip Zelikow came on board as executive director, he began recruiting and interviewing candidates…. Zelikow was selected with little consultation with the rest of the committee, but several commissioners had concerns about the kind of inquiry he would lead" [...] "We soon encountered problems, both in obtaining information and with the laborious conditions placed on our access to some information" [...] "We decided against an aggressive use of subpoenas for several reasons…. Furthermore, we knew that many of the most important documents we sought were potentially the subject of an executive privilege claim—meaning that the president might not be legally compelled to share that material with another branch of government, even with a subpoena" [...] "We were supposed to be independent, not necessarily confrontational. We were investigating a national catastrophe, not a White House transgression; this was 9/11, not Watergate" [...] "Senior officials from the FAA and NORAD—Jane Garvey and Craig McKinley—made statements about the timeline of 9/11 that were later proven to be inaccurate" [...] "Many interviews were recorded, though we were not permitted to record those conducted with current officials from the Executive Office of the President" [...] "We were set up to fail." The 9/11 Family Steering Committee [236] was made up of 12 family members, including the "Jersey Girls [237]." They monitored the commission, they worked with the staffers of the commission, and they provided 100's of well researched questions for the commission to answer. According to 9/11 Commission Chair Thomas Kean, "They monitor us, they follow our progress, they've supplied us with some of the best questions we've asked. I doubt very much if we would be in existence without them." The 9/11 Commission only answered 30% [238] of the families questions.

Fact #27
The level of fear that resulted from the attacks of 9/11 was nourished and maintained, and still is to this day. Reich Marshal Hermann Goering once said [239] "of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism [240], and exposing the country to greater danger [241]." On 6/23/2007, Glenn Greenwald wrote about how insurgents in Iraq were being referred to as "Al-Qaeda" more frequently. He states [242], "what makes this practice all the more disturbing is how quickly and obediently the media has adopted the change in terms consciously issued by the Bush administration and their military officials responsible for presenting the Bush view of the war to the press." Fox News once suggested [243] "Al-Qaeda" was responsible for starting California Wildfires. Keith Olbermann ran two stories that I know of regarding [244] the political usage [245] of "terror threats." The New York Times recently ran a massive story [246] on how military analysts with "ties to military contractors" were being used by the Pentagon to "shape terrorism coverage from inside the major TV and radio networks." They "have echoed administration talking points, sometimes even when they suspected the information was false or inflated."

Fact #28
The 9/11 Report was, and is promoted as a triumph. The Washington Post reported [247] that it is "a useful analysis of the changes that have taken place since, as well as the changes that have not taken place, " and calling the commission's unanimity and comprehensiveness "impressive." WaPo also reported [248] that "the final report is a document of historic sweep and almost unprecedented detail, offering the sort of examination of a highly classified subject that customarily would not be possible for decades after the fact. From the findings of spy agencies to the tactics of fighter pilots, from the conversations of heads of state to the verbatim texts of secret presidential briefings, this is the government laid bare." The New York Times reported [249] that it was "uncommonly lucid, even riveting," and is an "improbable literary triumph." Time Magazine said [250] the report was "meticulous in its reconstruction of the attacks and unflinching in its conclusions about why the government failed to stop them." The 9/11 Commission's report was nominated [251] by the National Book Foundation in 2004 for best in Non-fiction. Former Representative Katherine Harris referred [252] to the 9/11 Report as "one of the most important publications of our age." Senator Hillary Clinton said [253] the 9/11 Commission's report was "a great testimony to the their willingness to search hard for the truth, to get at the facts." Senator Charles Schumer said the 9/11 Commission did an "incredible job." In 2004, Bush's Presidential Campaign said "the Commission's report makes the case for the policies that U.S. President Bush has been pursuing in the War on Terror and eliminates any doubt that the best defense against the threat of global terror is a strong offense." Bush said, "I agree with their conclusion that the terrorists were able to exploit deep institutional failings in our nation's defenses that developed over more than a decade." A different kind of praise for the 9/11 Report has come in the form of requests for "9/11-Type Commissions" for other horrible events in America's history such as Katrina [254] and the recent "financial crisis [255]."

Fact #29
Osama Bin Laden has not been indicted for the 9/11 attacks. Some time before 9/26/2001 [256], FBI spokesman Rex Tomb says, "there’s going to be a considerable amount of time before anyone associated with the attacks is actually charged." He continues, "To be charged with a crime, this means we have found evidence to confirm our suspicions, and a prosecutor has said we will pursue this case in court." On 9/23/2001 [257], then Secretary of State Colin Powell is asked, "will you release publicly a white paper which links [bin Laden] and his organization to this attack to put people at ease?" He responds by saying "we are hard at work bringing all the information together, intelligence information, law enforcement information. And I think in the near future we will be able to put out a paper, a document that will describe quite clearly the evidence that we have linking him to this attack." The following day, then White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer when asked about Powell's statement says "I think that there was just a misinterpretation of the exact words the secretary used on the Sunday shows.… I’m not aware of anybody who said white paper, and the secretary didn’t say anything about a white paper yesterday." On 10/4/2001, Tony Blair will present a paper that makes the case for Osama Bin Laden's involvement before Parliament. It says, "this document does not purport to provide a prosecutable case against Osama bin Laden in a court of law.” Nevertheless, it continues, “on the basis of all the information available [Her Majesty’s Government] is confident of its conclusions as expressed in this document." On 6/6/2006, Rex Tomb will say [258], "the reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11." This according to Ed Haas [259] of the Muckraker Report. On 8/28/2006, the Washington Post will report [260] about this story. They state "from this point of view, the lack of a Sept. 11 reference suggests that the connection to al-Qaeda is uncertain. Exhaustive government and independent investigations have concluded otherwise, of course, and bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders have proudly taken responsibility for the hijackings." They speak to Rex Tomb who says "There's no mystery here" [...] "They could add 9/11 on there, but they have not because they don't need to at this point. . . . There is a logic to it." According to David N. Kelley, a former U.S. attorney, "It might seem a little strange from the outside, but it makes sense from a legal point of view," said Kelley, now in private practice. "If I were in government, I'd be troubled if I were asked to put up a wanted picture where no formal charges had been filed, no matter who it was." Contrary to WaPo's claim that "bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders have proudly taken responsibility for the hijackings," Osama denied any involvement in the attacks on three separate ocassions. On 9/16/2001, he says [261], “I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons.” On 9/28/2001, he says [262], "I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other human beings as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of battle.… The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the US system but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology can survive. They may be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the US itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups capable of causing large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American Jews, who have been annoyed with President Bush ever since the Florida elections and who want to avenge him.… Then there are intelligence agencies in the US, which require billions of dollars worth of funds from Congress and the government every year.… They needed an enemy.… Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked who carried out the attacks." On 12/26/2001, Bin Laden releases a tape that says [263] the U.S.'s invasion of Afghanistan is "a vicious campaign based on mere suspicion." On 9/10/2008, White House Press Secretary Dana Perino will be asked a question [264]. "But Osama bin Laden is the one that — you keep talking about his lieutenants, and, yes, they are very important, but Osama bin Laden was the mastermind of 9/11 –" Her response is to say that "No, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the mastermind of 9/11, and he’s sitting in jail right now."

Fact #30
The authenticity of video and audio recordings that have been released over the years allegedly from Osama Bin Laden have been disputed. On 10/29/2007, MSNBC reported [265] about a "running debate among video analysts about whether al-Qaida faked" a video that was released [266] on 9/7/2007. The so called "confession video" has been disputed from three different points of view. The translation [267] of the tape was disputed. Professor Gernot Rotter from the University of Hamburg says, "this tape is of such poor quality that many passages are unintelligible. And those that are intelligible have often been taken out of context, so that you can’t use that as evidence. The American translators who listened to the tape and transcribed it obviously added things that they wanted to hear in many places.” The date the video was made is disputed [268] by analyst Maher Osseiran. Several commentators questioned [269] whether the person depicted in the video is actually Osama. According to CNN [270], Bush was asked about the authenticity of the tape, but "scoffed" at the idea "that the videotape of Osama bin Laden discussing the September 11 terrorist attacks might not be authentic." He said, "It is preposterous for anybody to think that this tape is doctored" [...] "That's just a feeble excuse to provide weak support for an incredibly evil man."

Fact #31
The majority of the testimony from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged "mastermind" of the 9/11 attacks, something the 9/11 Report is heavily based on, was gotten through torture [271], and "third-hand [272] - passed from the detainee, to the interrogator, to the person who writes up the interrogation report, and finally to [its] staff in the form of reports, not even transcripts." Because of the latter, the 9/11 Commission decided [273] to add a disclaimer to the chapters that are heavily based on detainee interrogations. The disclaimer says, "Chapters 5 and 7 rely heavily on information obtained from captured al-Qaeda members. A number of these ‘detainees’ have firsthand knowledge of the 9/11 plot. Assessing the truth of statements by these witnesses—sworn enemies of the United States—is challenging. Our access to them has been limited to the review of intelligence reports based on communications received from the locations where the actual interrogations take place. We submitted questions for use in the interrogations, but had no control over whether, when, or how questions of particular interest would be asked. Nor were we allowed to talk to the interrogators so that we could better judge the credibility of the detainees and clarify ambiguities in the reporting. We were told that our requests might disrupt the sensitive interrogation process. We have nonetheless decided to include information from captured 9/11 conspirators and al-Qaeda members in our report. We have evaluated their statements carefully and have attempted to corroborate them with documents and statements of others. In this report, we indicate where such statements provide the foundation for our narrative. We have been authorized to identify by name only ten detainees whose custody has been confirmed officially by the US government." The 9/11 Commission became unhappy [274] because the government's investigators were "not asking the detainees the kinds of questions [it wanted] answered.” On 8/6/2007, the New Yorker reports [275] that a former CIA official estimates that about "ninety percent of the information was unreliable." KSM's interrogations are mentioned as a source in the 9/11 report 211 times. On 6/15/2009, the Associated Press reported [276] that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said he would "make up stories" in order to get them to stop torturing him.

Fact #32
The Military Tribunals taking place at Guanatanamo Bay are a slap in the face to those seeking justice [277] for the crimes of 9/11, as well as to the rest of the world. The level of secrecy [278] is counterproductive. As the September 11th Advocates state [279], "prosecuting these men within a system that is secretive in nature and lacking in due process, and which uses evidence tainted by questionable interrogation methods and possibly even torture, is a dangerous endeavor." Several other family members have voiced their concerns [280] about the secrecy. Unlike U.S. Federal courts [281], "the Guantanamo tribunal permits hearsay evidence as well as information gleaned from coercion and makes no guarantee that the accused will be able to confront his accusers or know all the evidence against him." As far as the media goes "only a handful of journalists [282] will be allowed in the courtroom, confined to a glass enclosed booth where they can be shut off from hearing testimony on the judge's instructions." [...] "Audio recordings and pictures of the proceedings are barred." The ACLU charged [283] that "the U.S. government is blocking the American Civil Liberties Union from paying attorneys representing suspected terrorists held here, insisting that the ACLU must first receive a license from the U.S. Treasury Department before making the payments." Once the Supreme Court ruled that detainees "have the right to challenge their detention in civilian court," the Bush Administration decided [284] "to rewrite the official evidence against Guantanamo Bay detainees, allowing it to shore up its cases before they come under scrutiny by civilian judges for the first time." A propaganda [285] film was shown to the court room. "The video is entitled "The Al Qaeda Plan," an echo of "The Nazi Plan" made by Oscar-winning director George Stevens as evidence in the Nuremberg war crimes trials of German leaders after World War II." Judge Keith Allred approved the video, but said, "The planes crashing into the towers and the people screaming doesn't prove anything." Army Brig. Gen. Gregory Zanetti said [286] that Brig. Gen. Thomas Hartmann, the Pentagon official who oversees the Guantanamo war crimes tribunals, was "abusive, bullying, unprofessional." Detainee lawyers say that "political interference taints the proceedings." On 4/18/2008, it was reported [287] that the families would be able to watch the trials. According to Army Col. Lawrence Morris, "we're going to broadcast in real time to several locations that will be available just to victim families." Later, the military decided against [288] that. However, they were going to allow Debra Burlingame, a 9/11 Family Member that happens to be pro-Bush to attend. Several family members released a statement [289] that said, "selectively inviting only 9/11 family members whose views are in alignment with those of the Bush administration is only one example of the repeated attempts to infuse politics into what should be an impartial process that has the goal of achieving justice." On 10/27/2008, it was reported [290] that "the Pentagon has made plans to bring victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks -- chosen by lottery -- to watch a hearing of reputed al Qaeda kingpin Khalid Sheik Mohammed's death penalty trial." Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England said, "Soon, some of those victim families will have the opportunity to see firsthand the fair, open and just trials of those alleged to have perpetrated these horrific acts." The Miami Herald cites, "a long-promised victims witness program, which will enable thousands of family members of the Sept. 11 dead to watch the eventual trial through satellite feeds to four U.S. military bases." On 12/10/2008, a group of 31 9/11 family members, along with the ACLU released a statement [291] that said, "many of us do not believe these military commissions to be fair, in accordance with American values, or capable of achieving the justice that 9/11 family members and all Americans deserve."

Fact #33
The resulting dust from the collapse of the buildings on 9/11/2001 was toxic, and people like Condoleezza Rice and Christie Todd Whitman lied about it [292] so things like Wall Street could reopen. As a result, several 1000 9/11 First Responders, and residents of New York are sick and dying. Both local and Federal Governments have ignored them in their time of need.

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[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I am open to all theories, and there is evidence that the thermite theory is correct. However, I am not going to say that Dr Wood does not have science behind her theory. To say that she has no science would be to deny the fact that directed energy weapons do not exist. Well I 100% certain that they do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon

I never said energy weapons do not exist. I am saying that her observations from that day can be interpreted in different ways. There have been base tests for thermite. There have been no base test of energy weapons. At the moment, the nano-thermite angle is the best chance of getting 9/11 re-investigated and isnt that after all, what it is all about?

[micjer]

Yes I do agree. It needs to be reinvestigated, and hard evidence (that was quickly put into containers and sent to China) is what is required to get results.

Most disasters sit with caution tape around it for a period of time until investigators do their thing. Heck the dust hadn't even settled and they were carting it out of there. More proof that it was all premeditated.

The only smoking gun with the beam weapon theory may be in what melted and deformed the vehicles? Is there a way of proving they were done with microwave energy? Certainly very bizarre.


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Why does this ambulance have melted inside doors? The inside looks to have suffered more heat damage than the outside. What would cause that?


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[Dr.No.]

sorry for copy/paste bombing the forum.
the discussion in this tread reveal some important questions.
we will most likely never get a proper answer to what and how it really happened on 9/11.

we can speculate and postulate as much as we want,
but one thing will always be the same.
the towers dissappeared together with a few thousand office workers
honesty and the very last ounce of common sense and political sanity.




Fact #34
Suspicious trading in the world markets took place before 9/11/2001. On or around 8/6/2001, what appear to be "suspicious [293]" put option purchases are made. According to one analyst, "from what I’m hearing, it’s more than coincidence." In early September 2001, "suspicious [294]" short selling of reinsurance company stocks take place. Also in September 2001, suspicion [295] of insider trading takes place in many other countries, resulting in the creation of several investigations. The countries mentioned are Belgium, France, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Monte Carlo, Cyprus, U.K., Italy, and Japan. On 10/3/2001, the San Francisco Chronicle will report [296] that the NYSE sees "unusually heavy trading in airline and related stocks several days before the attacks." Some of those companies are American, Continental, Delta, Northwest, Southwest, United, and US Airways. In early September 2001, there is a sharp increase [297] in short selling of American and United Airlines stocks. Between 9/6/2001, and 9/10/2001, suspicious trading [298] of put options on American and United Airlines occur. Ernst Welteke, the President of a German central bank, says that his bank has done a study [299]. "There are ever clearer signs that there were activities on international financial markets that must have been carried out with the necessary expert knowledge." His researchers have found "almost irrefutable proof of insider trading." During the time of the 9/11 Commission, the families pressed for answers [300] about this suspicious trading. The 9/11 Report states, "highly publicized allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 generally rest on reports of unusual pre-9/11 trading activity in companies whose stock plummeted after the attacks. Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation." [...] "The SEC and the FBI, aided by other agencies and the securities industry, devoted enormous resources to investigating this issue, including securing the cooperation of many foreign governments. These investigators have found that the apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous."

Fact #35
The 9/11 Report says, "to date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance. Al Qaeda had many avenues of funding. If a particular funding source had dried up, al Qaeda could have easily tapped a different source or diverted funds from another project to fund an operation that cost $400,000–$500,000 over nearly two years." The 9/11 Commission repeats this in a document entitled, "The Financing of the 9/11 Plot [301]." "To date, the U.S. government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. As we have discussed above, the compelling evidence appears to trace the bulk of the funds directly back to KSM and, possibly, Qatari, but no further. Available information on this subject has thus far has not been illuminating. According to KSM, Bin Ladin provided 85–95 percent of the funds for the plot from his personal wealth, with the remainder coming from general al Qaeda funds. To the extent KSM intended to refer to wealth Bin Ladin inherited from his family or derived from any business activity, this claim is almost certainly wrong, because Bin Ladin was not personally financing al Qaeda during this time frame. Ultimately the question of the origin of the funds is of little practical significance. Al Qaeda had many avenues of funding. If a particular source of funds dried up, it could have easily tapped a different source or diverted money from a different project to fund an attack that cost $400,000–$500,000 over nearly two years."

Fact #36
"Al-Qaeda" has curious connections to intelligence agencies all over the world. Wikipedia defines "Al-Qaeda [302]" as "an international Sunni Islamist movement founded in 1988. Al-Qaeda have attacked civilian and military targets in various countries, the most notable being the September 11 attacks in 2001. These actions were followed by the US government launching a military and intelligence campaign against al-Qaeda called the War on Terror." On 9/28/2006, the Washington Post reported [303] that "a leaked document accuses Pakistan's intelligence agency of indirectly supporting terrorist groups including al-Qaida and calls on Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf to disband the agency." [...] "Indirectly, Pakistan (through the ISI) has been supporting terrorism and extremism _ whether in London on (July 7, 2005) or in Afghanistan or Iraq." The BBC reports [304] that " [The West has] turned a blind eye towards existing instability and the indirect protection of Al Qaeda and promotion of terrorism." On 9/30/2006, the BBC reported [305] Mumbai Police Commissioner AN Roy's statement that, "We have solved the 11 July bombings case. The whole attack was planned by Pakistan's ISI and carried out by Lashkar-e-Toiba and their operatives in India." On 10/7/2006, the Sunday Times reports [306] that "captured Taliban fighters and failed suicide bombers have confirmed that they were trained by the Pakistani intelligence service, known as the ISI." In March 2001, Selig Harrison [307], a "long-time regional expert" says, "the CIA still has close links with the ISI." Harrison is said to have "extensive contact with the CIA and political leaders in South Asia." In 2000, "Ahmed Rashid, longtime regional correspondent for the Financial Times and the Daily Telegraph" referred to the U.S. as "Pakistan’s closest ally, with deep links to [Pakistan’s] military and the ISI." On 10/19/2007, B. Raman reported [308] that "Brig Ejaz Shah, a former officer of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence" [...] "used to be the handling officer of Osama bin Laden and Mulla Omar, the amir of the Taliban." When I asked Mr. Raman "What does it mean to be Osama Bin Laden's "Handling Officer" for the Pakistani ISI? What is the responsibility of the person that has this particular job?" his response was, "The handling officer of a source in Indian and Pakistani intelligence agencies is the person who looks after the welfare of the source, keeps him motivated and uses him as needed. The source cannot meet anybody else other than his handling officer except the head of the agency. One source--one handling officer is the general rule. This is to prevent the exposure of the operation and maintain its deniability. I understand in the CIA they call him the Running Officer of a source." On 10/31/2001, Le Figaro reports [309] that while staying in the American hospital in Dubai, he is treated by Dr. Terry Callaway. "He is possibly accompanied by Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri (who is said to be bin Laden’s personal physician as well as al-Qaeda’s second-in-command), plus several bodyguards. Callaway supposedly treated bin Laden in 1996 and 1998, also in Dubai. Callaway later refuses to answer any questions on this matter." "During his stay, bin Laden is visited by “several members of his family and Saudi personalities,” including Prince Turki al-Faisal, then head of Saudi intelligence." "On July 12, bin Laden reportedly meets with CIA agent Larry Mitchell in the hospital. Mitchell apparently lives in Dubai as an Arab specialist under the cover of being a consular agent. The CIA, the Dubai hospital, and even bin Laden deny the story. The two news organizations that broke the story, Le Figaro and Radio France International, stand by their reporting." "The Guardian claims that the story originated from French intelligence, “which is keen to reveal the ambiguous role of the CIA, and to restrain Washington from extending the war to Iraq and elsewhere.” The Guardian adds that during his stay bin Laden is also visited by a second CIA officer." "In 2003, reporter Richard Labeviere will provide additional details of what he claims happened in a book entitled “The Corridors of Terror.” He claims he learned about the meeting from a contact in the Dubai hospital. He claims the event was confirmed in detail by a Gulf prince who presented himself as an adviser to the Emir of Bahrain. This prince claimed the meeting was arranged by Prince Turki al-Faisal. The prince said, “By organizing this meeting…Turki thought he could start direct negotiations between [bin Laden] and the CIA on one fundamental point: that bin Laden and his supporters end their hostilities against American interests.” In exchange, the CIA and Saudis would allow bin Laden to return to Saudi Arabia and live freely there. The meeting is said to be a failure." "On July 15, Larry Mitchell reportedly returns to CIA headquarters to report on his meeting with bin Laden." "French counterterrorism expert Antoine Sfeir says the story of this meeting has been verified and is not surprising: It “is nothing extraordinary. Bin Laden maintained contacts with the CIA up to 1998. These contacts have not ceased since bin Laden settled in Afghanistan. Up to the last moment, CIA agents hoped that bin Laden would return to the fold of the US, as was the case before 1989." "A CIA spokesman calls the entire account of bin Laden’s stay at Dubai “sheer fantasy." Luai Sakra, an alleged CIA informant [310] is said to have trained 6 of the 9/11 hijackers. Ali Mohamed has connections [311] to both the FBI and the CIA. On 3/17/2007, Seymour Hersh reported [312] that, "Iran-Contra veterans working out of Dick Cheney's office are using stolen funds from Iraq to arm al Qaeda-tied groups and foment a larger Sunni-Shia war." On 4/3/2007, ABCNews reported [313] that, "a Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005.” […] “Pakistani government sources say the secret campaign against Iran by Jundullah was on the agenda when Vice President Dick Cheney met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in February." On 7/2/2009, a successful "working relationship [314]" was established "between the Bush Administration, specifically Cheney, the CIA, and the Pakistani ISI" [...] "for the express purpose of funding, manipulating and using a "terrorist" organization in order to carry out terrorist attacks." On June 24th, 2009, 9/11 Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, someone the ACLU refers to as the "the most gagged person in the history of the United States of America [315]" because of the Bush Administration's usage of the "States Secrets Privilege" to gag her on two separate occasions [316], said on the Mike Malloy Show that Osama Bin Laden had "intimate relations [317]" with elements within the U.S. Government up until the day of 9/11 [318]. As I pointed out in Fact #20, "Lt. General Mahmood Ahmed, the head of the Pakistani ISI, someone who met with U.S. elected and appointed officials in the weeks before 9/11, on the day of 9/11, and in the days after 9/11, ordered possible MI6 Agent Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh to wire transfer $100,000 to Mohammad Atta." I refer you back to Fact #35.

Fact #37
Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland had a lot of interesting things to say. Between January and July of 2003, the Bush Administration delayed [319] the release of the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry Report until after the start of the Iraq War. Max Cleland says, "The administration sold the connection (between Iraq and al-Qaeda) to scare the pants off the American people and justify the war. There’s no connection, and that’s been confirmed by some of bin Laden’s terrorist followers… What you’ve seen here is the manipulation of intelligence for political ends. The reason this report was delayed for so long—deliberately opposed at first, then slow-walked after it was created—is that the administration wanted to get the war in Iraq in and over… before (it) came out. Had this report come out in January [2003] like it should have done, we would have known these things before the war in Iraq, which would not have suited the administration." After 1/27/2003, Max Cleland is disappointed [320] with the start of the 9/11 Commission's investigation. Specifically, he is not happy that the Commission "will not issue subpoenas for the documents it wants and will have a single non-partisan staff headed by executive director Philip Zelikow, who is close to National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice." In May 2003, Max Cleland wanted the 9/11 Commission to investigate [321] the false claims tying Iraq to 9/11 made by the Bush Administration. He says, "they were focused on Iraq, they were planning a war on Iraq, they were not paying attention to the business at hand." Zelikow, Kean, and Hamilton opposed this. Phil Shenon will write, "even some of the Democrats [on the commission] were distancing themselves from him. Cleland knew he was quickly becoming a pariah." Cleland will say, "it was painfully obvious to me that there was this blanket over the commission" [...] "Anybody who spoke out or dissented, whether against George Bush, the White House, or the war against Iraq, was going to be marginalized." In November 2003, the Commission, and the White House were battling [322] over how much access the Commission would have to Bush daily briefings. Cleland says, "all ten commissioners should have full, unfettered, and unrestricted access to all evidence." In December 2003, Max Cleland is offered [323] a "position on the board of the Export-Import Bank." He accepts. Before leaving the Commission, he calls the Bush Administration's stonewalling of the Commission a "national scandal," and says "I’m not going to be part of looking at information only partially. I’m not going to be part of just coming to quick conclusions. I’m not going to be part of political pressure to do this or not do that. I’m not going to be part of that. This is serious." On 10/26/2003, Cleland tells the New York Times [324] "as each day goes by, we learn that this government knew a whole lot more about these terrorists before Sept. 11 than it has ever admitted."

Fact #38
Over the years, several polls [325] have been conducted that show a majority of people are concerned about this issue. In August 2004, 911Truth.org commissioned Zogby International for a poll [326] that concluded "half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act." In May 2006, 911Truth.org commissioned Zogby International for a poll [327] that concluded 45% of voting Americans think "Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate the attacks, including whether any US government officials consciously allowed or helped facilitate their success." In September 2007, 911Truth.org commissioned Zogby International for a poll [328] that concluded "51% of Americans want Congress to probe Bush/Cheney regarding the 9/11 Attacks." In August 2006, Scripps Howard/Ohio University conducted a poll [329] that concluded, "more than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East." In November 2007, Scripps Howard/Ohio University conducted another poll [330] that concluded, "nearly two-thirds of Americans think it is possible that some federal officials had specific warnings of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, but chose to ignore those warnings."

Fact #39
Several interesting and thought provoking quotes have been made by people over the years with regards to the 9/11 attacks. Sen. Patrick Leahy said [331], "the two questions that the congress will not ask, because republicans wont allow it, is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush's watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen? And secondly, when they had Osama Bin Laden cornered why didnt they get him? Had there been an independent congress, one that could ask questions these questions would have been asked years ago." Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission John Farmer states in his upcoming book [332], "at some level of the government, at some point in time...there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened." 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said [333], "By the way, there’s a credible case that the president’s own negligence prior to 9/11 at least in part contributed to the disaster in the first place. In the summer of 2001, the government ignored repeated warnings by the CIA, ignored, and didn't do anything to harden our border security, didn’t do anything to harden airport country, didn’t do anything to engage local law enforcement, didn’t do anything to round up INS and consular offices and say we have to shut this down, and didn’t warn the American people. The famous presidential daily briefing on August 6, we say in the report that the briefing officers believed that there was a considerable sense of urgency and it was current. So there was a case to be made that wasn’t made. The president says, if I had only known that 19 Islamic men would come into the United States of America and on the morning of 11 September hijack four American aircraft, fly two into the World Trade Center, one into the Pentagon, and one into an unknown Pennsylvania that crashed in Shanksville, I would have moved heaven and earth. That’s what he said. Mr. President, you don’t need to know that. This is an Islamic Jihadist movement that has been organized since the early 1990s, declared war on the United States twice, in ‘96 and ‘98. You knew they were in the United States. You were warned by the CIA. You knew in July they were inside the United States. You were told again by briefing officers in August that it was a dire threat. And what did you do? Nothing, so far as we could see on the 9/11 Commission." 9/11 Family Member Kristen Breitweiser said, "it is clear that [Zelikow] should never have been permitted to be a member of the commission, since it is the mandate of the commission to identify the source of failures. We can now see that trail would lead directly to the staff director himself." On 7/22/2005, at the 9/11 Congressional Briefing chaired by then Rep. Cynthia McKinney, 9/11 Family Members Monica Gabrielle, and Mindy Kleinberg accompanied 9/11 Family Member Lorie Van Auken who said, "the 9/11 Commission’s report is one year old today. This report was supposed to provide the definitive account of what had transpired on September eleven, 2001. We hoped that our thousands of unanswered questions would be addressed and answered. Yet incredibly we have found that the Commission’s definitive final report has actually yielded more questions than answers." 9/11 Family Member Donna Marsh O'Connor said at the National Press Club on 9/11/2006, "This Government has made me a victim of Conspiracy Theories, because they haven't answered fully, or allowed anyone to ask the true questions of September 11th, and that's what I'm asking from you today. For exposure. We are not crazy. We have questions. We demand answers. [...] We're asking for a new investigation into the events of September 11th, and this time, a truly bipartisan, global, with families invested from the beginning, middle, and throughout the end."

Fact #40
A document [334] entitled, "Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba" from 1962 proves BEYOND THE SHADOW OF DOUBT that elements within our Government are MORE THAN CAPABLE of devising a "9/11 Type" plan.

Fact #41
There are several indications that Osama Bin Laden has been protected, and even allowed to escape after the 9/11 attacks. On 12/24/1998, at the request of then CIA Director George Tenet, President Clinton signs an order [335] authorizing the CIA to assassinate Osama Bin Laden. Philip Shenon will write [336] that Clinton's authorization is "written in stark language” and it makes it very clear “that the president was telling the tribal leaders they could kill bin Laden." However, this order is "closely held within the CIA, and the 9/11 Commission will comment, “This intent [to have bin Laden killed] was never well communicated or understood within the agency." "Apparently, it is never even communicated to Michael Scheuer, head of Alec Station, the CIA’s bin Laden unit. Scheuer will later express his frustration at not being allowed to try to kill bin Laden, “We always talked about how much easier it would have been to kill him." In February 1999, Clinton rewrites the order [337] for the CIA and "deletes the wording authorizing an operation to simply kill bin Laden." In December 1999, Clinton issues a wider memo that deals "with “a wider set of contingencies,” and they authorize the use of force only within the context of a capture operation, not an assassination attempt. The CIA is therefore allowed to try to kill bin Laden only using one specific group of assets—tribal leaders tracking bin Laden in Afghanistan, still based on the earlier instructions. But the CIA does not test “the limits of available legal authority,” apparently because the CIA’s bin Laden unit is not told of the kill authorization and due to confusion." On 9/21/2001, it is reported [338] that President Putin "had warned the Clinton administration about the dangers posed by Bin Laden. "Washington's reaction at the time really amazed me. They shrugged their shoulders and said matter-of-factly: 'We can't do anything because the Taliban does not want to turn him over'." After 9/11, Bush says [339] about Bin Laden, "If he thinks he can hide and run from the United States and our allies, he will be sorely mistaken.” Two days after that, he says, "I want justice. And there’s an old poster out West, I recall, that says, ‘Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" In Afghanistan, veteran CIA agent Gary Berntsen [340] is in charge of the team responsible for capturing or killing Osama Bin Laden called "Jawbreaker." "He will claim that at the start of December 2001, one of his Arabic-speaking CIA agents finds a radio on a dead al-Qaeda fighter during a battle in the Tora Bora region. This agent hears bin Laden repeatedly attempt to rally his troops. On the same radio, that agent and another CIA agent who speaks Arabic hear bin Laden apologizing to his troops for getting them trapped and killed by US aerial bombing. Based on this information, Berntsen makes a formal request for 800 US troops to be deployed along the Pakistani border to prevent bin Laden’s escape. The request is not granted. Berntsen’s lawyer later claims, “Gary coordinated most of the boots on the ground. We knew where bin Laden was within a very circumscribed area. It was full of caves and tunnels but we could have bombed them or searched them one by one. The Pentagon failed to deploy sufficient troops to seal them off." "A Knight Ridder investigative report will later conclude, “While more than 1,200 US Marines [sit] at an abandoned air base in the desert 80 miles away, Franks and other commanders [rely] on three Afghan warlords and a small number of American, British, and Australian special forces to stop al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters from escaping across the mountains into Pakistan.” Military and intelligence officials warn Franks that the two main Afghan commanders cannot be trusted. This turns out to be correct, as the warlords accept bribes from al-Qaeda leaders to let them escape." On 12/5/2001, Brig. Gen. James N. Mattis [341] "is convinced his forces can seal the Tora Bora area to trap bin Laden there. Around this date, Mattis argues strongly to his military superiors at Centcom that his troops should fight at Tora Bora, but he is turned down." Between December 8th - 14th, British special forces pursue [342] Osama Bin Laden, and are reportedly "20 minutes behind" him but are "pulled off to allow US troops to go in for the kill.” However, it takes hours for the Americans to arrive, by which time bin Laden has escaped." On 10/6/2008, it is reported [343] that "a team of elite Delta Force commandos was sent into Afghanistan with an assignment to find and kill Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora" but were stopped by U.S. officials. On 60 Minutes, the commando leader is asked by Scott Pelley, "how often does Delta come up with a tactical plan that's disapproved by higher headquarters?" His answer is "in my experience, in my five years at Delta, never before." Apparently, Cofer Black is fired [344] on 5/17/2002. "Six anonymous US intelligence officials will claim that, in fact, Black is removed by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld because Black publicly revealed details of the US military’s failure to capture or kill bin Laden in Tora Bora, Afghanistan, in late 2001." On 3/13/2001, Bush says, "He’s a person who’s now been marginalized.… I just don’t spend that much time on him.… I truly am not that concerned about him.” Instead, Bush is "deeply concerned about Iraq.”

Fact #42
Over the years, there have been several reports indicating that Osama Bin Laden is dead. On 12/26/2001, Fox News reported [345] that "Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication." On 1/18/2002, President Pervez Musharraf says [346], "I think now, frankly, he is dead for the reason he is a ... kidney patient." On 7/18/2002, the FBI's counter-terroism chief Dale Watson says [347], "I am not really sure of the answer... I personally think he is probably not with us anymore but I have no evidence to support that." On 10/7/2002, President Hamid Karzai says [348] that Bin Laden is probably dead. On 10/16/2002, Israeli intelligence sources report [349] that Osama is dead. On 10/23/2005, a Multan newspaper reports [350] that Osama Bin Laden, "died four months ago in a village near Kandahar of severe illness." On 3/15/2006, the Philadelphia Inquirer reports [351] about a claim by then Rep. Curt Weldon that Osama Bin Laden died in Iran. On 9/23/2006, it is reported [352] that "a French regional newspaper quoted a French secret service report on Saturday as saying that Saudi Arabia is convinced that al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden died of typhoid in Pakistan last month." President Chirac said [353] this was "in no way whatsoever confirmed." Recently, former CIA official Robert Baer said [354] that he thinks Osama is dead. On 6/30/2008, Time released an article [355] entitled, "Is Osama bin Laden Dying ... Again?"

Fact #43
Several of the alleged hijackers should not have been given visas. Between April 3-7, 2001, three hijackers are given visas [356] to the United States through the US Consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. They are Nawaf Alhazmi, Salem Alhazmi, and Khalid Almihdar. "Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi are already "al-Qaeda veterans" and battle-hardened killers." "All three men have indicators in their passports marking them as Islamist radicals. These indicators are used to track them by the Saudi authorities, but are apparently not noticed by US officials." According to Michael Springmann [357], someone who was the head US consular official in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia from Sept. 87 to March of 87, said that he was "repeatedly ordered… to issue [more than 100] visas to unqualified applicants." "He later learns that recruits from many countries fighting for bin Laden against Russia in Afghanistan were funneled through the Jeddah office to get visas to come to the US, where the recruits would travel to train for the Afghan war. According to Springmann, the Jeddah consulate was run by the CIA and staffed almost entirely by intelligence agents. This visa system may have continued at least through 9/11, and 11 of the 19 9/11 hijackers received their visas through Jeddah."

Fact #44
Footnote 44 of the 9/11 Report states, "CIA cable,“Activities of Bin Ladin Associate Khalid Revealed,” Jan. 4, 2000. His Saudi passport—which contained a visa for travel to the United States—was photocopied and forwarded to CIA headquarters. This information was not shared with FBI headquarters until August 2001. An FBI agent detailed to the Bin Ladin unit at CIA attempted to share this information with colleagues at FBI headquarters. A CIA desk officer instructed him not to send the cable with this information. Several hours later, this same desk officer drafted a cable distributed solely within CIA alleging that the visa documents had been shared with the FBI. She admitted she did not personally share the information and cannot identify who told her they had been shared. We were unable to locate anyone who claimed to have shared the information. Contemporaneous documents contradict the claim that they were shared. DOJ Inspector General interview of Doug M., Feb. 12, 2004; DOJ Inspector General interview of Michael, Oct. 31, 2002; CIA cable, Jan. 5, 2000; DOJ Inspector General report,“ A Review of the FBI’s Handling of Intelligence Information Related to the 9/11 Attacks,” July 2, 2004, p. 282." 9/11 Family Member Kristen Breitweiser [358] referred to George Tenet as "Mr. "I failed to tell the FBI for 18 months that two known al Qaeda killers were living in San Diego and planning the 9/11 attacks."

Fact #45
NIST released a report about the collapse of building 7 that is in dispute. Recently, the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH) published [359] comments critiquing NIST's report on building 7. The September Eleventh Advocates released a statement [360] that cleverly mocked their report. There is an organization known as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth [361] that disputes this report. A physics professor formerly of Brigham Young University named Steven E. Jones, a whistleblower from Underwriters Laboratories named Kevin Ryan, and several others belong to a group called Scholars For 9/11 Truth & Justice [362] that have written several critiques of NIST's reports from over the years that have been published. NIST's questionable report on building 7 caused people that were once on the fence [363] regarding the collapse of those buildings on 9/11, to think that those advocating something different than NIST's conclusions, responsibly, might be right. On 4/3/2009, the Open Chemical Physics Journal of Bentham-Open published a peer reviewed paper [364] entitled, "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe." According to Dr. Steven Jones [365], "unless an objector actually publishes his or her objection in a peer-reviewed established journal" [...] "then the objection is not considered serious in the scientific community."

Fact #46
After the 9/11 attacks, George Bush's popularity ratings soared to record numbers [366]. On 9/18/2001, the Washington Post reported [367] that, "the country has rallied to the president's side. Even those who wished for a little more eloquence from him did not want to hear a word against him. Ask any journalist who raised questions about his initial handling of the crisis: They have been inundated with furious calls calling them a disgrace to their profession and even traitors. Congress is well aware that George Bush has become a colossus, surpassing his father's 90 percent approval rating after the Persian Gulf War. Congress has been more than satisfied with a supporting role in the wake of the horror. On Tuesday night members convened and sang "God Bless America" and pledged allegiance to Bush. Democratic consternation and misgivings have been expressed behind the scenes. When Bush requested blanket authority for retaliation, some remembered the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, which they unwarily gave to Lyndon Johnson during Vietnam and came to regret. They said the president's current powers give him all the authority he needed to punish the authors of the obscene attacks. But, as one Democrat said disconsolately, "No one wants to say no to Bush now."

Fact #47
The Moussaoui Trial had a lot of problems, and revealed a lot of information. On 3/7/2006, the Associated Press reported [368] that "a defense lawyer got FBI agent Michael Anticev to admit that the FBI was aware years before Nine-Eleven that al Qaida planned to slam planes into prominent buildings." On 3/13/2006, AP reports [369] that "an angry federal judge unexpectedly recessed the death penalty trial of al Qaeda conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui to consider whether government violations of her rules against coaching witnesses should remove the death penalty as an option." Another AP report [370] cites that a, "government lawyer who has jeopardized the prosecution of al-Qaida conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui used a transcript of the first day of the trial to try to shape future testimony to meet or deflect possible defense attacks, court documents indicate." [...] "Arguing that Martin's e-mails tainted three government and four defense witnesses beyond repair, the defense has asked the judge to dismiss the government's bid to execute Moussaoui, the only person charged in this country in connection with al-Qaida's Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon." This "outraged [371]" the families. "I was really horrified and very outraged to hear that this type of mistake was made," Regenhard said. "This is probably one of the most important trials in the history of this country — how someone could put that at risk. She betrayed the families of the victims who certainly have been waiting nearly five long years to get some kind of scintilla of justice." On 3/15/2006, the Washington Post reports [372] that "U.S. District Judge Leonie M. Brinkema decided yesterday to exclude all aviation security evidence after Martin violated a court order by e-mailing trial transcripts to seven witnesses and coaching them about their upcoming testimony." [...] "I am furious," said Rosemary Dillard, whose husband, Eddie, was killed on the plane that was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon. "Aviation is a big part of this case. Aviation is what killed our loved ones. It was planes. You take aviation out . . . where do they go from here?" [...] "How are we supposed to get any new information now?" said Fiona Havlish, formerly of Buck County, Pa., whose husband was killed at the World Trade Center. "I think what all of us are looking for is the truth, and the truth has not been forthcoming out of Washington. I mean, I can only speak for myself, but I do not feel that the truth has come out no matter how hard we as family members have tried. And this was just one more avenue to find a particle of truth, and that is being thwarted." [...] "Some wondered whether she was being used as a scapegoat for other government officials who did not want the aviation security evidence to be made public." [...] "I don't think she is alone," Dillard said in a telephone interview last night. "I just don't think she could have gotten away with that. Somebody helped her or prompted her. It just makes me wonder whether this is one more thing where no one is going to be held accountable. . . . It's almost too clean. I wonder if there is more to the story than we know." [...] "I felt the government wasn't telling us all that it knew, and I do know that feeling is shared in the Massachusetts circle of families within which I travel," said Blake Allison, of Hanover, N.H., whose wife, Anna Allison, was killed on American Airlines Flight 11. "We talked about this the first day of the trial, the hope that the trial would bring some clarity to some of the circumstances leading up to 9/11." On 3/15/2006, the Sunday Times reports [373] more about 9/11 Family Member Rosemary Dillard's anger about what happened. "I felt like my heart had been ripped out," said Rosemary Dillard, whose husband Eddie was killed aboard the plane that crashed into the Pentagon. "I felt like my husband had been killed again. I felt like the Government had let me down again." [...] "I don't think in the annals of criminal law there has ever been a case with this many significant problems," said Judge Brinkema, who considered abandoning the trial altogether but eventually decided to adjourn it until Monday." [...] "The missing testimony was expected to deal with how much the Federal Aviation Administration already knew about possible terror threats to airlines prior to 9/11, and what security measures were in place." On 3/16/2006, MSNBC reports [374] that "the lawyer whose coaching of witnesses in the death penalty case of Zacarias Moussaoui caused his trial to be halted was placed on administrative leave from her job, the Transportation Security Administration said Thursday." On 3/17/2006, AP reports [375] that "the judge has issued a written order that says prosecutors can present exhibits and a witness or witnesses if they are untainted by contact with Transportation Security Administration lawyer Carla Martin." On 3/20/2006, Reuters reports [376] that "an FBI agent testified in the sentencing trial of September 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui on Monday that agency superiors repeatedly blocked his efforts to warn of a possible terror attack. Harry Samit, the FBI agent who arrested Moussaoui three weeks before the deadly airliner hijackings that killed 3,000 people, said he tried to tell his superiors that he thought a hijacking plan might be in the works. "You tried to move heaven and earth to get a search warrant to search this man's belongings. You were obstructed," defense attorney Edward MacMahon said as the trial resumed after a week's delay over improper witness coaching. "From a particular individual in the (FBI's) Radical Fundamentalist Unit, yes sir, I was obstructed," Samit said." Forbes reports [377] that "MacMahon (Moussaoui defense attorney) introduced an Aug. 31 letter Samit drafted "to advise the FAA of a potential threat to security of commercial aircraft" from whomever Moussaoui was conspiring with. But Maltbie barred him from sending it to FAA headquarters, saying he would handle that, Samit testified. The agent added that he did tell FAA officials in Minneapolis of his suspicions." On 3/25/2006, the Washington Post reports [378] that the families hope for answers at the Moussaoui Trial is "unfulfilled."

Fact #48
On 9/25/2006, former 9/11 Commission Richard Ben Veniste makes public knowledge [379] a deal within the 9/11 Commission to keep Bush, Cheney, and Clinton's testimony classified until 2009. "BLITZER: Now, I read this report, the 9/11 Commission report. This is a big, thick book. I don't see anything and I don't remember seeing anything about this exchange that you had with the president in this report. BEN-VENISTE: Well, I had hoped that we had -- we would have made both the Clinton interview and the Bush interview a part of our report, but that was not to be. I was outvoted on that question. BLITZER: Why? BEN-VENISTE: I didn't have the votes. BLITZER: Well, was -- were the Republican members trying to protect the president and the vice president? Is that what your suspicion is? BEN-VENISTE: I think the question was that there was a degree of confidentiality associated with that and that we would take from that the output that is reflected in the report, but go no further. And that until some five years' time after our work, we would keep that confidential. I thought we would be better to make all of the information that we had available to the public and make our report as transparent as possible so that the American public could have that."

Fact #49
In the fall of 2003, former National Security Advisor to President Clinton, Sandy Berger [380], "removed classified documents from the National Archives, hid them under a construction trailer and later tried to find the trash collector to retrieve them, the agency’s internal watchdog said Wednesday.” [...] “Berger took the documents in the fall of 2003 while working to prepare himself and Clinton administration witnesses for testimony to the Sept. 11 commission. Berger was authorized as the Clinton administration’s representative to make sure the commission got the correct classified materials.” On 4/1/2005, it was reported [381] that Berger “pleaded guilty yesterday to pilfering classified documents from the National Archives, saying he showed “very poor judgment” and that his actions were “wrong.” On 1/9/2007, Fox News reports [382] that “some classified documents that were unlawfully removed from the National Archives three years ago may never have reached their intended destination — the Sept. 11 commission, a House Republican report concluded Tuesday.” [...] “Released by Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va., the report said Berger could have taken White House staff working papers that never were inventoried by the archives. In that case, nobody would know they were gone, the report said.”

Fact #50
Several companies friendly to the Bush Administration as well as others, and several partners in the "War On Terror" have benefitted [383] from the 9/11 attacks. A long time ago at the 2004 9/11 People's Commission [384], I asked ex-CIA Analyst Ray McGovern what he thought could be the possible motives [385] (Quicktime required) for doing something as horrible as 9/11. He mentioned an acronym for "O.I.L." that he created. “O for oil, I for Israel, and L for the logistical bases necessary to exert (inaudible) military capability in that part of the world.” Before he answered my question, he spoke of the PNAC’s dream of invading Iraq. He spoke of eliminating any possible threat to the state of Israel. He spoke of what were considered then to be 14 permanent military bases in Iraq, and so on. Since 9/11, oil companies like Exxon [386], Shell [387], and Chevron [388] have made massive fortunes. on 6/20/2008, the Guardian reported [389] that "Iraq is preparing to allow four of the biggest western oil companies to renew exploitation of the country's vast reserves for the first time in almost four decades. Iraq's oil ministry stepped up talks with BP, Exxon Mobil, Shell and Total after the US vice-president, Dick Cheney, visited Iraq in March, where he also pressed the government to revive efforts to pass the hydrocarbon law that nationalist MPs were blocking. The first contracts are expected to be signed this month. Some 90% of Iraq's budget comes from oil revenues." Companies like Bechtel [390] and Halliburton [391] have made fortunes because of the "War On Terror." Granted, like most companies, they have lost some of those fortunes within the last two months. Since 9/11, the Bush Administration have made repeated claims that they will protect Israel. On 1/26/2006, the Mail & Guardian reports [392] that Bush has committed to the "defence of Israel." On 2/1/2006, Reuters reports [393] that Bush says the U.S. would defend Israel against Iran. On 5/23/2006, CNN reports [394] that Bush promises to protect Israel if attacked by Iran. On 1/7/2008, AFP reports [395] that Bush promises again to protect Israel if attacked by Iran. Haaretz reported about a possible pipeline of oil [396] going from Iraq to Israel. On 5/24/2007, the Daily India reports [397] that "a new study released by the Centre for Public Integrity, a non-profit organisation based in Washington, has said that Pakistan has been the largest recipient of anti-terror funds in the four years after 9/11." On 5/30/2007, publicintegrity.org reported that most of the money Pakistan received "came through a Defense Department program subject to virtually no congressional oversight." According to Spencer Ackerman [398], a lot of the money came in the form of "untraceable cash transfers." Both Pakistan and Israel are considered partners in the "War On Terror." If we're not staying in Iraq, we sure have a massive U.S. embassy [399], "the largest of its kind in the world, the size of Vatican City, with the population of a small town, its own defense force, self-contained power and water, and a precarious perch at the heart of Iraq's turbulent future." According to Wiki [400], Ray McGovern, "was a mid-level officer in the CIA in the 1960s where his focus was analysis of Soviet policy toward Vietnam. McGovern was one of President Ronald Reagan's intelligence briefers from 1981-85; he was in charge of preparing daily security briefs for Reagan, Vice President George H.W. Bush, the National Security Advisor, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Cabinet. Later, McGovern was one of several senior CIA analysts who prepared the President's Daily Brief (PDB) during the first Bush administration." It seems to me that he knows what he's talking about.

There are so many facts concerning the 9/11 attacks, that it is impossible to know them all. People like to laugh at, and mock our theories (that we all have) concerning the events of 9/11. However, they have a difficult time with the facts. I hope that I have proven my point.

In conclusion, I would like to say that I am convinced some elements within our Government, and others were complicit in the attacks of 9/11. As you can see above, the information that exists today clearly points in that direction. We have pieces to the puzzle, and we KNOW who refuses to give up the other pieces. However, as I said, this is America, and in America, you are innocent until proven guilty. Let's have a real investigation, be it a domestic or international one, and do what can only be described as the right thing. Holding those responsible for the 9/11 attacks, whoever they may be, accountable. It is long overdue. Justice has never been more needed. The perverse usage of that day can no longer continue. It is time to take away the "9/11 Card," and let those poor 2,973 souls finally rest in peace.
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[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Yes I do agree. It needs to be reinvestigated, and hard evidence (that was quickly put into containers and sent to China) is what is required to get results.

Most disasters sit with caution tape around it for a period of time until investigators do their thing. Heck the dust hadn't even settled and they were carting it out of there. More proof that it was all premeditated.

The only smoking gun with the beam weapon theory may be in what melted and deformed the vehicles? Is there a way of proving they were done with microwave energy? Certainly very bizarre.


http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/amm.jpg


Why does this ambulance have melted inside doors? The inside looks to have suffered more heat damage than the outside. What would cause that?


http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/amb.jpg





http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/JJ1.html

Here is an hypothosis:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/15847


Interview with Judy Wood and breakdown of interview: (she evades lots of questions and is very vague and her evidence is faulty and does not seem to know what she is talking about)

http://www.911blogger.com/node/8110

Also read this:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200702/Implausibility-Directed-Energy-Beam-Demolish-WTC-by-Gregory-Jenkins.pdf

[Smickle1111]

Cant wait for jesse ventura's truTV on 9/11!!

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Here is an hypothosis:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/15847


Interview with Judy Wood and breakdown of interview: (she evades lots of questions and is very vague and her evidence is faulty and does not seem to know what she is talking about)

http://www.911blogger.com/node/8110

Also read this:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200702/Implausibility-Directed-Energy-Beam-Demolish-WTC-by-Gregory-Jenkins.pdf

any comments?

[Seashore]

any comments?

I am reading everyone's posts but I'll defer to others. I have not listened to Judy Wood recently; I only remember her from a couple of years ago.

I started this thread because of the allegation that there are disloyal Americans - paid disinfo agents - within the truth movement!

That is what concerns me. That's the allegation that I'm trying to clear up. What will it take to do that?

[micjer]

Sorry I haven't been able to get on forum for some reason for the last day and half. I'll read it and post comment.

Have you seen the latest documentary by CBC Fifth Estate. Very well done.

TkYlbpS-vVI

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

any more thoughts?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Cant wait for jesse ventura's truTV on 9/11!!

Is this online?

[Sideshow Shaman]

Cant wait for jesse ventura's truTV on 9/11!!

9/11 Truth is now on mainstream TV!

If there weren't so much other crazy stuff going on, this would be huge news. A well known former soldier and governor presenting truthful information about 9/11 on TV!

The show has proven to be so popular that the network is rerunning it frequently at the moment. Happened upon it over the weekend & it really is a respectable program.

All this on a network called "TruTV". This network is relatively new but has "made it's bones" by showing more episodes of COPS than even the FOX network. Therefore i refer to it as mainstream TV. And word from the North American countryside is... the program is being noticed.

This is what is required to happen before widespread public acknowledgment. Are we (just about) there yet?

Check it out online, here: http://www.911blogger.com/node/22131

[no caste]

Seashore - I thought this was a very good article about the political background in the area.
________________________________

PIPELINE TO 911
By Rudo de Ruijter, Independent Researcher
Netherlands - August 2006
...However, if we stick to the facts, and throw out all the information that comes from unverifiable sources, our world looks very different. This research article is intended to reveal the facts that lead to the US invasion of Afghanistan and to reveal the logical place of the 9/11 events in that context. It is not meant to offend anyone. Don't read it if you are pleased with the "official" version of our history.

Immediately after 9/11 president Bush declared war to Afghanistan...
http://www.viewzone.com/pipeline.html

[Seashore]

I am reading everyone's posts but I'll defer to others. I have not listened to Judy Wood recently; I only remember her from a couple of years ago.

I started this thread because of the allegation that there are disloyal Americans - paid disinfo agents - within the truth movement!

That is what concerns me. That's the allegation that I'm trying to clear up. What will it take to do that?

Is it not true that it is being alleged by anyone that within the 9-11 truth movement there are paid disinfo agents?

[micjer]

This is no different than when JFK was assinated. Mix facts with truth so that there becomes too many theories to prove what actually happened.

Now it is difficult to see who is disinfo and who is not. Chances are that disinfo will be telling 80% truth, and then mix in reasonable doubt so it would not stand up in court.

You know what I think....they are all partly true.

The plane (or cruise missile) definately did the intitial damage. Did not cause the towers to collapse.

Next you can see the mini explosions as the tower collapses. So I think there was mini-nukes/thermite planted in the towers at strategic points.

I believe that there is evidence that a scalar weapon was also involved. Total disintegration of everything but the paper. The vehicles have turned to jelly and a fire alone does not do this.

I think that the tower 7 was a controlled demolition. Testimony from witnesses (many of whom have been eliminated) point to explosions within the building just prior to its collapse at 5 pm. Silverstein said they "pulled it".

Z9b4D-aO3zY


I don't expect agreement with me but this is what I am going with. Everyone should reach their own conclusions.

[no caste]

Is it not true that it is being alleged by anyone that within the 9-11 truth movement there are paid disinfo agents?

I'm not sure what you mean by this Seashore. In my opinion, and to my knowledge, all counter movements are infiltrated. It's the best strategy to gather intelligence, find out who to knock off (wasn't there a paramedic in S America who feared for his life?).

Now, even before 9/11 I was following the Enron story, because it affected me personally as an Albertan taxpayer in Canada (Operation Stanley). Building 7 I believe had connection to that. To cover up any crime - remember, this attack had NO criminal investigation - people and evidence are destroyed. I think there already is information about the private assassination squads.
__________________________________

Enron ties to the Bush Administration
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Enron_bush.htm

[Seashore]

This is no different than when JFK was assinated. Mix facts with truth so that there becomes too many theories to prove what actually happened.

Now it is difficult to see who is disinfo and who is not. Chances are that disinfo will be telling 80% truth, and then mix in reasonable doubt so it would not stand up in court.

You know what I think....they are all partly true ...



Thank you, micjer.

Let's be more specific at this point. Let's name a 9-11 truther and get it on record if there is a member who believes he is a dis-info agent: Alex Jones.

Is there a member who believes Alex Jones is a paid 9-11 truth disinfo agent?

Also, have Judy Wood and Mel Mabregas intimated on air that Alex Jones is a disinfo agent?

[371]

.....Know what though?? Despite all this proof, whatever whatever.. NO ONE GIVES A ****



In mainstream America, that is. Why? It's not convenient.

Same deal with JFK, they didn't want to think about it then. Only now that it is been so long and doesn't seem to matter anymore do people acknowledge. It is just easier right now to blame Islamo-fascists, terrorism, blah blah blah.


US vs THEM.... what they fail to see, it is US vs US.


911=Burning of the Reichstag... this has gone on for a long, long time it seems- in one form or another.

pdy_dArmMQs






blah, blah, blah..... question we should be asking ourselves I think is:

What does our awareness of all this mean? What can we do with it, to change? How to break a cycle and power structure that has been going on throughout recorded history??? How can we learn to live as ONE, with ourselves and with the rest of mankind?? How do we reconnect with Nature? How do we keep this from happening again???

There is ONE answer to all these questions. But we are not going to like it.

[micjer]

@Seashore,


Oh I see where you are going with this now. Perhaps Mel (Fabregas btw) could comment on this himself. He is Manticore on here for people that don't know.

So Mel can you help us out here?

[no caste]

(Wasn't there a paramedic in S America who feared for his life?).

To clarify: This is the one I was thinking of, a FEMA videographer, not a paramedic. It's posted somewhere on the forum too.

Kurt Sonnenfeld : Exclusive interview
9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public
As official videographer for the U.S. government, Kurt Sonnenfeld was detailed to Ground Zero on September 11, 2001, where he spent one month shooting 29 tapes of film: "What I saw at certain moments and in certain places ... is very disturbing!" He never handed them over to the authorities and has been persecuted ever since. Kurt Sonnenfeld lives in exile in Argentina, where he wrote "El Perseguido" (the persecuted). His recently-published book tells the story of his unending nightmare and drives another nail into the coffin of the government’s account of the 9/11 events.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article160636.html

Re Enron: I'm also adding this link which also has some interesting information about the Aspen Institute (CO), as well as $7 Billion of Public Funds went to Enron etc.

ENRON-BUSH-HARVARD-WTC-OIL-CONNECTION
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Enron_bush.htm

[micjer]

Great link no caste. That settles it I am going with this guy! lol

Love to see his videotapes.

This is a picture of him ( Kurt Sonnenfeld) and another investigator. Anybody else notice something very unusual about this picture?


http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/orbs.jpg

[no caste]

Great link no caste. That settles it I am going with this guy! lol

Love to see his videotapes.

This is a picture of him ( Kurt Sonnenfeld) and another investigator. Anybody else notice something very unusual about this picture?


http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/orbs.jpg

I don't know his background. But I have a weird idea tho' :original:

... if those tapes (if good) could be hooked up with Dr Wood. I wonder what would come of that.

[Majorion]

Is there a member who believes Alex Jones is a paid 9-11 truth disinfo agent?

In fact, I do.

This has been my opinion from day one.

He is there to 'control' the movement.

Thankfully, the multitude of theories and people taking different stances about 9/11 has not worked in Alex's favor.

Another thing is that I also do not agree about a 'reinvestigation'. Whats the point? You'll just get another cooked and well planned proceeding with the same conclusion already decided. In fact much of the 'new' evidence and witness testimony would be selectively discredited, one by one, piece by piece.

Then no one will ever question 9/11 again.

That's why I think the movement should be more centered around the process of 'waking people up', rather than trying to prove the government are murderers, when this is already established through the preponderance of evidence.

Personally, as outrageous as some people think, I really ted there may have been orbital weapons platforms and DEW's used for the false flag attack, perpetrated in the interests of extremist christian and zionist cabals, thus justifying tremendous budgets and public propaganda for several wars, which are more like training with new weapons against innocent people, and illegally occupying territory, and God knows what else.

I even heard that part of the motive for invading Iraq was to acquire, or rather, steal, certain artifacts in that area, perhaps to do with Sumerian Stargates.

Hey, who knows? - Hitler was certainly after stuff like that, before ultimately his demise.

Peace

[micjer]

Anybody else notice something very unusual about this picture?


http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/orbs.jpg


I am referring to all of the orbs in the picture. This is an outstanding picture of orbs. The location of the pic gives it even more significance.

[371]

I am referring to all of the orbs in the picture. This is an outstanding picture of orbs. The location of the pic gives it even more significance.


ORBS?!!?

Dude, that is dust on the lens.... come on now.

[micjer]

I think James Gilliland might disagree with you.

http://www.eceti.org/Eceti.ORBPhotographs.html

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

In fact, I do.

This has been my opinion from day one.

He is there to 'control' the movement.

Thankfully, the multitude of theories and people taking different stances about 9/11 has not worked in Alex's favor.

Another thing is that I also do not agree about a 'reinvestigation'. Whats the point? You'll just get another cooked and well planned proceeding with the same conclusion already decided. In fact much of the 'new' evidence and witness testimony would be selectively discredited, one by one, piece by piece.

Then no one will ever question 9/11 again.

That's why I think the movement should be more centered around the process of 'waking people up', rather than trying to prove the government are murderers, when this is already established through the preponderance of evidence.

Personally, as outrageous as some people think, I really ted there may have been orbital weapons platforms and DEW's used for the false flag attack, perpetrated in the interests of extremist christian and zionist cabals, thus justifying tremendous budgets and public propaganda for several wars, which are more like training with new weapons against innocent people, and illegally occupying territory, and God knows what else.

I even heard that part of the motive for invading Iraq was to acquire, or rather, steal, certain artifacts in that area, perhaps to do with Sumerian Stargates.

Hey, who knows? - Hitler was certainly after stuff like that, before ultimately his demise.

Peace

I prefer to concentrate on evidence that will get 9/11 re-opened. As I showed in my previous posts, space based weapons evidence is poor and the main pushers of this theory have no idea what they are talking about and their evidence is not empirical and they interpret it to fit their theories. Its bad science.
Jones does not control the truth movement nor is he trying to. There is no evidence of this. He is just a sensationalist is all.

[Majorion]

I prefer to concentrate on evidence that will get 9/11 re-opened. As I showed in my previous posts, space based weapons evidence is poor and the main pushers of this theory have no idea what they are talking about and their evidence is not empirical and they interpret it to fit their theories. Its bad science.
Jones does not control the truth movement nor is he trying to. There is no evidence of this. He is just a sensationalist is all.

Simple sensationalist or not, he has undoubtedly contaminated the field, which is the word I should have used instead of 'control'.

As I showed in my previous posts, space based weapons evidence is poor and the main pushers of this theory have no idea what they are talking about

I wouldn't go that far.

The people who argue the no-plane theory have excellent points.

I noticed John Lear and my friend Zorgon have already discussed this with you quite a while ago, and provided monumental evidence: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3863

[Seashore]

I prefer to concentrate on evidence that will get 9/11 re-opened.

I think that 9-11 truth advocates should focus on continuing the initiative of spreading the word that the official story can't be true and that it is clear that the attacks were staged to further the New World Order agenda, and not engage in a debate about what technology was used. It doesn't matter!!

What matters is that we the people not be fooled by a false flag attack, and that we reject all that has come out of that false flag attack. I'm talking about the Patriot Act, etc., etc., etc.

[Majorion]

spreading the word that the official story can't be true and that it is clear that the attacks were staged

The process of waking people up is more important.

I agree.

[Seashore]

The process of waking people up is more important.

I agree.

I would love it if we here on Avalon could focus like a laser beam on that objective.

There are guests reading this forum. Some of these guests may never have researched 9-11 truth.

With our posts, we can reach out. :thumb_yello: And we can do that with what we avoid saying as much as by what we say.

9-11 truth is so important! I think it behooves us all to try to help spread the word the best that each of us knows how to do...

[happyhollergal]

I found this video last night, not knowing that it was under the subject of 9/11. One guy plays several different characters, and if you can overlook the multi personality issue, he's got some great information. He even ties AIG, the former head of the Federal Reserve Bank, the Mena Arkansas drug deals, etc. to 9/11. Very interesting material.

<embed id=VideoPlayback src=http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=1981225573970187433&hl=en&fs=true style=width:400px;height:326px allowFullScreen=true allowScriptAccess=always type=application/x-shockwave-flash> </embed>

[happyhollergal]

Sorry, the link didn't work. Go to google videos and search for Who Killed John O'Neill.

[Seashore]

Sorry, the link didn't work. Go to google videos and search for Who Killed John O'Neill.

Here's another try. Hopefully this is the one you're talking about:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1981225573970187433&ei=xPU7S5rtCIyQqALbsLH1Ag&q=who+killed+john+o%27neill#

[happyhollergal]

Thank you so much Seashore! Yes, that's the one. I'm not good with posting links.

[Seashore]

Thank you so much Seashore! Yes, that's the one. I'm not good with posting links.

You're welcome!

Thanks for your participation.

I've been having trouble with links lately, too. I've noticed that strange things happen to my links later. If I go back to a previous post the link has changed. It's weird.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Simple sensationalist or not, he has undoubtedly contaminated the field, which is the word I should have used instead of 'control'.



I wouldn't go that far.

The people who argue the no-plane theory have excellent points.

I noticed John Lear and my friend Zorgon have already discussed this with you quite a while ago, and provided monumental evidence: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3863


Not THAT again!

Unfortunatly, John ran away when the going got tough. (read the whole thread if you want the whole strory) He also did EXACTLY the same thing on the open minds forums. When faced with difficult questions, he refuses to admit he does not have evidence to back up what he says. Indeed, I was the reason john left Avalon. see this post....
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=34194&postcount=54
But lets say no more about it. I dont want to rake up old graves and its obvious to all who read the thread which of us couldnt take the heat.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Simple sensationalist or not, he has undoubtedly contaminated the field, which is the word I should have used instead of 'control'.


How? You cant just say something like that and not qualify it.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Simple sensationalist or not, he has undoubtedly contaminated the field, which is the word I should have used instead of 'control'.

I wouldn't go that far.

The people who argue the no-plane theory have excellent points.




Please be clearer in your thinking. I was talking about spaced based weapons. Not "no planes." One thing at a time.

What do you think of the interviews I posted? It should be clear to all that take the time to watch it that Judy is talking herself in circles and has no real understanding of physics and cannot stick to one point or indeed, answer a simple question without constructing straw man arguments.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I think that 9-11 truth advocates should focus on continuing the initiative of spreading the word that the official story can't be true and that it is clear that the attacks were staged to further the New World Order agenda, and not engage in a debate about what technology was used. It doesn't matter!!




But it does matter. The devil is in the details. People want to know how it was done.
You wont convince anyone by just saying, "it was a false flag but you dont need to bother to look at the evidence, just take me at my word". You must present evidence. No plane theory and space based weapons theory can be refuted and are not provable 100%. What we DO have however is incontrivertibale evidence of explosives which we did not have 3 years ago. This has not been debunked and indeed is only getting stronger.
Show them the peer reviewed papers.

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

Environmental anomalies at the World Trade Center: evidence for energetic materials
http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/

This is hard science and is the best chance of convincing a skeptical mind.

Also read these 2 amazing articles on how explosives could have easily been put into the trade centers and how Nano-thermite related companies had office space in the towers...

Demolition access to the World Trade Center towers: Part one - Tenants
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090713033854249

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090813150853871
Demolition Access To The WTC Towers: Part Two - Security

[Kundaflower]

Hei,

I guess we in a phase called "ridiculed" still. Thats the hard price you have to
pay when you say anything against official "truth".

Think about it, how many people know that both world wars were started as false flag operations?
I mean all this is admit by our governments and are no more secrets and still there is a huge denial around it.

And list goes on...Vietnam war, uss liberty incidence in -67, bomb attack in 1986 in berlin that caused USA bombard to Libya, Irak, Afganistan.....

Start a war is very difficult without good reason because you have to get people behind you.
I would be extreamly suprised if any war would start without false flag operation.

Anyway, we have in Finland good truth movment what comes to terrorism
that governments practice.
You can visit the web- site and found lot of articles in English if your
Finnish isnt that good...

http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/

Piissiä ja rakkautta
KF:wub2:

[Seashore]

You wont convince anyone by just saying, "it was a false flag but you dont need to bother to look at the evidence, just take me at my word".

Of course not.

It just seems to me that the anomalies in the official story should be the focus rather than the theories of what the actual event was that took place.

I believe that the anomalies alone are enough for the vast majority of people. The only problem is that many people have not yet taken the time to consider them, or they have not yet been able to face the horror of it all.

Most people are not stimulated by a scientific puzzle to be solved.

Included in the box of a DVD that I purchased there was a card entitled "The Independent Thinker's 9/11 FACT SHEET." It says on the back of it "Order postcards at www.911WeKnow.com.

I'm just going to type this list:


No steel-framed building before or since 9/11 has ever collapsed due to fire.
No official agency (FAA, FBI, or the airlines) has ever released a list of the 9/11 passengers. But within hours, the FBI released a list of the alleged hijackers.
On September 11th, 2001 the FAA successfully grounded all aircraft - an unprecedented operation. Yet it could not successfully scramble any jet fighters that day - a normal procedure occurring over 100 times a year.
Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper and part of the World Trade Center complex, was not struck by a plane but collapsed in 6.5 seconds at 5:20 PM on September 11th, in the exact manner of a controlled demolition.
There was no visible airplane debris where Flight 93 supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania - only a smoking hole in the ground, much like a bomb crater.
Office fires burn at low temperatures of 600-800 dF. Steel melts at 2750 dF. Jet fuel is an ordinary hydrocarbon; its maximal burning temperature is 1200 dF in open air. Neither jet fuel not the burning contents of the buildings could have caused the towers' steel structure to buckle or fail.
Tests have shown that cell-phone calls cannot be made at altitudes over 4000 to 8000 feet, as cell towers are located on the ground. Commercial airlines fly at 30,000 feet and above. No passenger could have successfully placed a call for help by cell phone from an airborne plane on 9/11, as reported.
9/11 was immediately declared an "act of war" by President Bush. The rubble from Ground Zero was carted away and the steel sold off without examination.
Enormous profits were made by insiders on plummeting stock prices of the two airlines involved in 9/11 - American and United. Federal law protects their identities.
Accepting victims' compensation barred 9/11 families from further discovery through litigation.

[micjer]

Great post Seashore. I agree.

I do not want to be like the police investigators that think they have solved a case and put the blinders on and fail to look at all other possibilities. Many innocent people have gone to jail because of this.

I believe that the above info has done a good job at waking up millions.

Btw I don't think AJ is a disinfo agent. He may not always be right, but I think he is doing a good job. Sometimes he gets a little too passionate, but he has brought a lot to light.


:thumb_yello:

[Seashore]

Great post Seashore. I agree.

I do not want to be like the police investigators that think they have solved a case and put the blinders on and fail to look at all other possibilities. Many innocent people have gone to jail because of this.

I believe that the above info has done a good job at waking up millions.

Btw I don't think AJ is a disinfo agent. He may not always be right, but I think he is doing a good job. Sometimes he gets a little too passionate, but he has brought a lot to light.


:thumb_yello:

You know, he gets on my nerves sometimes. His voice can be irritating as hell. He interrupts people and he loses his temper. But I love the man. I am indebted to him. I don't know where we would be without him.

God bless Alex Jones. :wub2:

[Fredkc]

911 ? Fugetaboutit!

1. The more evidence you provide, the better the perps like it.
The instant you talk 911 to the avg citizen, they get that 1000-mile stare, and fall asleep.

2. No politician will touch it because:
a) They already know it's an inside job, and want their kids to keep breathing.
b) They know there is nothing about the subject which will get them re-elected.

The "evidence" has been there since day 1:

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UAL 175, still on the Flight Explorer screen approx 45min to 1 hr after
it supposedly went down. (Fligh Explorer's lag time is 30 min. max)

3. Gather up all your "evidence".... now, who do you take it to, who hasn't seen it already?
No one cares. Or... No one will risk their rice bowl over trying to get it seen.

4. The minimum time to assemble a valid court case, based on solid evidence is probably 10 years.
By then, everyone you are after will be dead. The government doesn't go in for self-flagellation over past events. If you don't believe me, then try this account of events during Sen. Kerry's POW/MIA hearings, when presented with hard evidence we had abandoned soldiers:

By all accounts, what followed was contentious. The investigators and the team from DIA shouted at each other. Several senators shouted, too. John Kerry, the committee chairman, told one of the investigators that if the report ever leaked out, "you'll wish you'd never been born."
http://fredsitelive.com/reference/KerryPOW2.htm If you want to give a good try, simply email the link for that piece of film to
everyone who "should care" and see how many answers you get.

Want to get the whole nation really upset over this? Simple.
Have a press conference about it interrupt the regular broadcast of "Dancing With The Stars".

I am reminded of a line from a 1980-ish issue of High Times magasine:
"Who could tell? Who'd care if we could tell? And who would we tell if we could, or care to?"

Fred

[Fredkc]

Darn... I think I done killed a thread!

There are other examples, but the plain fact is,

Government is just too darn busy running us over a cliff to take the time to stop and let anyone question it.

You don't change this by "wailing at the wall", as in so doing you acknowledge their control over the situation. You fix it by swapping out the people there for plain ol' humans.

[Seashore]

Darn... I think I done killed a thread!

There are other examples, but the plain fact is,

Government is just too darn busy running us over a cliff to take the time to stop and let anyone question it.

You don't change this by "wailing at the wall", as in so doing you acknowledge their control over the situation. You fix it by swapping out the people there for plain ol' humans.

My main concern is the general populace, and whether or not people understand that the "war on terror" which commenced because of the attacks on 9-11, is phony and the Patriot Act not only should not be extended, it should be rescinded along with all the other measures which have taken away our civil liberties, upon which this country was founded.

We the people have to wise up.

Also, people should not accuse 9-11 truth advocates with being paid disinfo agents if they hold an opposing view of what technology was used to pull off the attacks!

[Majorion]

Also, people should not accuse 9-11 truth advocates with being paid disinfo agents if they hold an opposing view of what technology was used to pull off the attacks!

Well said Seashore.

Frankly, I don't think its as much critically important to figure out how exactly an attack was orchestrated when we know the official story is a lie, bottom line.

The more important question should be whodunit and why.

My opinion as to whom was expressed only a few times, as not to generalize. Ultimately it was an extremist cabal in high places that wanted the change-effect directly subsequent to 9/11. The change being; America (the world's foremost military superpower) become more supportive of war, occupation of specific regions in the middle east, all to fulfill some lunatic religious prophecy and a holy war.

The reason I believe there was an occult involved is to do with the obvious and blatant choice of date to carry out these attacks, the symbolical 'engraving' effect it had on us all. The "twin towers", the "pentagon" -- there is an obvious occult planning there.

Peace

[Seashore]

The more important question should be whodunit and why.

My opinion as to whom was expressed only a few times, as not to generalize. Ultimately it was an extremist cabal in high places that wanted the change-effect directly subsequent to 9/11. The change being; America (the world's foremost military superpower) become more supportive of war, occupation of specific regions in the middle east, all to fulfill some lunatic religious prophecy and a holy war.

The reason I believe there was an occult involved is to do with the obvious and blatant choice of date to carry out these attacks, the symbolical 'engraving' effect it had on us all. The "twin towers", the "pentagon" -- there is an obvious occult planning there.

Peace

I'm so focused on stopping tyranny in the United States, I did not mention preemptive wars abroad.

Yes, we need to focus on the actual criminals that we're dealing with and what it is they're trying to accomplish.

It's that truth that we must establish for ourselves - the people - so that we can stop cooperating with the lie.

[Spiralmind]

Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 "Hijack"


http://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.com/post/285492999/flt77fdr

:lightsabre:

[Seashore]

Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 "Hijack"


http://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.com/post/285492999/flt77fdr

:lightsabre:

Sometimes I feel that people can't look at information. They just faze out. They're numb. They don't have time. They don't have the inclination.

People need to make time. Change their approach. Look in the mirror. :thumb_yello:

[JudgeMental]

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3863

[Lightblessins]

its so plane and simple wht 9-11 was, i find it strange people still dont get it?! even now! when theres so much on the subject!

[Spiralmind]

??

[Seashore]

??

Spiralmind,

What is your question?

[no caste]

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3863

Great thread, JudgeMental - missed that one. Photos are actually kind of funny, especially Flight 93 crash site. Has everything (evidence) been destroyed? Enron docs, the works?

Things seem to be at a bit of a stalemate here. At what point can it move from the doldrums. Wee bit of ennui...

What happened to the stock market tracks afterward? NoFBIbody interested in chasing that one down at the time? I agree with you seashore, who cares if it was zipped metal, thermite - but. Holographic and vaporizing technology probably needs to get out to the public first. Otherwise, it's too much to conceptualize. For people 'inside' they're already ahead of the curve and think the public is just idiotic - not true IMO.

No matter what, the 9/11 whistle blowers are not pouring out the door on this, just yet. The US government seems to have a 'This is our story and we're sticking to it' kind of mettle.

[Seashore]

I've just been watching today's PrisonPlanet.tv archive. Alex had as a guest Jesse Ventura's son Tyrel. Tyrel talked about the show on 9-11 being his favorite episode of Conspiracy Theory.

I am encouraged that 9-11 truth has gone mainstream with this show.

This is very good news.

[Seashore]

Here is the description that goes with this YouTube video:

"March 12, 2010 — We continue our coverage of the latest case of censorship in American media. Jesse Venturas article on the events of September 11th (9/11) was banned by the news website The Huffington Post. Jesse Venturas article was titled What really happened on September 11th?"


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