An explanation of reincarnation

[Brinty]

The concept that most people have of reincarnation is not accurate. The common idea is that we are here to learn and to correct any errors that we made in previous incarnations. As the sceptics say, this is a rather ridiculous situation as we have no way of achieving anything because we are born with our memories of previous incarnations completely wiped

The reason for numerous incarnations is to enable us (our spirit or soul) to experience every aspect of living in a physical world. Through various incarnations we experience the full range of emotions from fear through to love - joy through to sorrow - pain through to pleasure. In fact, every single emotion you can think of. Each one of our senses is given the full treatment within its range. All this occurs over hundreds if not thousands of lifetimes.

In a typical scenario a group of souls agrees to work together to have certain experiences. These may incarnate as family members or friends. So, for example, your current parents may, in a previous existence, have been your brother and sister or cousins. Next time around, you could not only be in a different family relationship, but you could be of a different gender. In any group of souls there is nearly always one who has the ability to remember their purpose in life and so can guide other family members towards the right path.

Karma is the correcting of an imbalance. All experiences are of a positive or negative energy. There is nothing wrong with either positive or negative energy but they need to balance each other. If, at the end of an incarnation you have built up an excess of positive energy, then the next time you come into life, you will have negative experiences. The opposite occurs if you had built up an excess of negative energies.

There may be a gap of many years between incarnations or there may be only a matter of weeks or months. When we’ve run through the full range of physical experiences we are free to become energy spirits or light bodies. At many stages of our soul’s development, we can choose to become teachers and have the ability to influence others from time to time.

The time is fast approaching when we will all become aware as there are forces at work correcting the imbalance of negative energies that has occurred on Earth. As more and more of us become aware, like a snowball, the positive energies will overwhelm the imbalance and the world will be at peace. This is what will be known as The New World Order. In the past, the negative ‘powers that be’ have used this phrase and given it an aspect to be feared. Believe me, there is no reason to fear this New World Order.

[TheObserver]

I'd call that a True World Order! :original:

[Seashore]

Brinty,

This is all in your own words, isn't it?

No copy and paste?

I like the way you do that... :original:

[Brinty]

Brinty,

This is all in your own words, isn't it?

No copy and paste?

I like the way you do that... :original:

Yes Seashore, it's all my own work. Well, the inspiration came to me to put into words what I have always felt - and this was the result. :thumb_yello:

[Brinty]

I'd call that a True World Order! :original:

I'll buy that TheObserver. :thumb_yello:

[Seashore]

Yes Seashore, it's all my own work. Well, the inspiration came to me to put into words what I have always felt - and this was the result. :thumb_yello:

You've posted some other things in your own words like about time travel and the multiverse?

[Ross H]

Thanks Brinty, good thread.

I think along similar lines to yours but I have always wondered, the time frames of our individual lives in this carnation vary. Do you think that a young person, say, newborn-20yrs who dies from what ever cause's has aquired enough of this carnations experiences to warrant the death, or death of vehical if you will. 'Been there done that' now onto the next mission, so to speak? or perhaps there are just random events that no one or thing has control over?

Love to read your thoughts on this?

Peace.

[orthodoxymoron]

That was cool Britny! I'm thinking we will always need our physical bodies. I just think we keep getting recycled back into this world indefinitely. I'm not sure I buy the karmic aspects. Life happens...whether you are good or bad...or whether your chakras are balanced or not. My guess is that eventually we will be able to remember past lives at will...and will not forget our previous life when we reincarnate into a new life. But who knows...maybe that would spoil the innocence of forgetfulness. We're supposed to be gods...but we can't seem to remember anything. 'I created something yesterday...but I can't remember what it was.'

[Carmen]

jross, one reason maybe for short, cutoff lifetimes maybe because of a life cut short because of suicide (having to complete the life they would have had!). Also,I have thought that a young person may come back for a specific purpose e.g. the waking up of their family or a member of their family through the shock of their death.

Love

Carmen

[Carmen]

Brinty, I have been taught that we come in to a particular lifetime clothed in the body best suited for our learning and also the particular attitudes not completed, or brought to wisdom in previous lifetimes. Our personality self may not know what our past lives were and what we still have to learn, but our soul does!

We are compelled, drawn to, experience what is unfinished in us. For instance, the religious, self-righteous person who judged the morals of others in a previous life would come back in a sensuous body hell-bent on exploring sexuality. Whatever we judge, condemn in others, we get to come back "as" in the next lifetime. We can then experience, understand, and then we have wisdom and compassion. This makes sense to me.

Love

Carmen

[Brinty]

Thanks Brinty, good thread.

I think along similar lines to yours but I have always wondered, the time frames of our individual lives in this carnation vary. Do you think that a young person, say, newborn-20yrs who dies from what ever cause's has aquired enough of this carnations experiences to warrant the death, or death of vehical if you will. 'Been there done that' now onto the next mission, so to speak? or perhaps there are just random events that no one or thing has control over?

Love to read your thoughts on this?

Peace.


Jross, the group souls have a contract or plan of an existence for them to experience in a particular incarnation. This plan is overseen and given the nod (so to speak) of a higher council. The individual soul selects its physical parents and sets the conditions of its own physical death. Now, in the case of say, a child being stillborn, or dying very young, its purpose for doing so could be to work off some karma for one or both it parents. At all times, the higher council has the final say but only on rare occasions do they change what has been decided by the group souls. Free will is the overriding consideration. It is the soul's choice to do what they wish - but if they get caught in the physical, earthly cycle of love of materialism, they will be required to reincarnate until they break that habit.

[Brinty]

You've posted some other things in your own words like about time travel and the multiverse?

Yes, from time to time, out of the blue, I get the inspiration to put things into words Seashore. When these occasions happen, I just go with the flow.

[Brinty]

Brinty, I have been taught that we come in to a particular lifetime clothed in the body best suited for our learning and also the particular attitudes not completed, or brought to wisdom in previous lifetimes. Our personality self may not know what our past lives were and what we still have to learn, but our soul does!

We are compelled, drawn to, experience what is unfinished in us. For instance, the religious, self-righteous person who judged the morals of others in a previous life would come back in a sensuous body hell-bent on exploring sexuality. Whatever we judge, condemn in others, we get to come back "as" in the next lifetime. We can then experience, understand, and then we have wisdom and compassion. This makes sense to me.

Love

Carmen

Yes Carmen, as you say, our souls remember but we don't. The interesting thing is that we all have a subconscious connection to our soul that comes to us through our conscience - you know that quiet little voice that tells you what's right and what's wrong? Sadly, most of us are too busy listening to external noise to get the message our soul is trying to get through to us. Eventually the message does get through and we are then free to go on to higher things.

[morguana]

i really enjoyed reading this thread, very simply and eloquently put :thumb_yello:
bou x

[burgundia]

I just wonder what kind of experience those, who were tortured to death in many different ways, wanted to have....

[morguana]

I just wonder what kind of experience those, who were tortured to death in many different ways, wanted to have....

yes and all the people living in suffering, pain, abuse.......thats where i wonder :tears: what is the lesson here? who knows what the answer is
bou x

[Sarahmay]

Brinty, I liked your post and your ideas, however it is my solemn belief that reincarnation for most souls on Earth has become completely involuntary and that we have been trapped by the web of karma, by DNA tampering, by the hijacking of the D12 stargates...and our experiences, good and bad but especially bad, are being "consumed" by other dimensional beings for sustenance.

The idea that we keep coming back again and again by our own accord because we want to experience all aspects of life--well it sounds good on paper, but my gut says no. I think we are being TOLD that, to keep us in line...even between lives. What we learn in this life is very important, because we do retain that knowledge between lives and we can perhaps make other decisions or at least attempt to go in another direction.

My task this life is to do whatever I can to break the cycle....because I am busting out of here if I can.

[mntruthseeker]

I go along with most of what you said. I have a question regarding memory

Why do others want to do recessions to bring back the memories of past lives?

I believe we all have to experience every lesson but my biggest question is, Is just knowing about something count as a lesson learned?

I read a true story and in it the reason they came back was to do it right but there was still a chance of failing and being brutally killed again. But it was their choice to come back or not

[Brinty]

I just wonder what kind of experience those, who were tortured to death in many different ways, wanted to have....

Because in a previous incarnation they were the ones who did the torturing and this time they are the victims. A case of working off karma.

[Brinty]

Brinty, I liked your post and your ideas, however it is my solemn belief that reincarnation for most souls on Earth has become completely involuntary and that we have been trapped by the web of karma, by DNA tampering, by the hijacking of the D12 stargates...and our experiences, good and bad but especially bad, are being "consumed" by other dimensional beings for sustenance.

The idea that we keep coming back again and again by our own accord because we want to experience all aspects of life--well it sounds good on paper, but my gut says no. I think we are being TOLD that, to keep us in line...even between lives. What we learn in this life is very important, because we do retain that knowledge between lives and we can perhaps make other decisions or at least attempt to go in another direction.

My task this life is to do whatever I can to break the cycle....because I am busting out of here if I can.

While there is a grain of truth in what you say Sarahmay, you are looking at the whole thing through your physical senses. These senses are confused by earthly, physical experiences which build up karma. It is your spiritual senses that will guide you when the time is right. Forget negative energies and concentrate on the positive - by doing so you defeat the 'bad guys' and help the rest of humanity climb out of the karmic mess they're in.

[Brinty]

I go along with most of what you said. I have a question regarding memory

Why do others want to do recessions to bring back the memories of past lives?

I believe we all have to experience every lesson but my biggest question is, Is just knowing about something count as a lesson learned?

I read a true story and in it the reason they came back was to do it right but there was still a chance of failing and being brutally killed again. But it was their choice to come back or not

Because we live in a physical body and can only remember our current life, we are inclined to think that's all there is to existence be it only a few years, or 100. The truth is that our souls, that spark of energy that can never be destroyed, exists for eternity. So our 'life' now is as a grain of sand on all the seashores of all the worlds in all the galaxies. Our physical body is just like a suit of clothes or a vehicle - when it's worn out, it's replaced. By becoming fixated on our physical existence, we are blinded to the true reality and begin building karma. Once we do that, and until we wake up to what is happening, it is very hard to break out of the karmic cycle.

In most cases, people who found out about past lives were astonished at what they had experienced. They didn't go looking for these experiences but had them uncovered through regressive hypnotherapy.

You ask "Is just knowing about something count as a lesson learned?" The answer to that question is "yes, partly". Knowing about something is the first step to true awareness. The next step is accepting that something as fact.

Negative experiences in our lifetimes are the balancing actions of karma. What we experience is something we have been guilty of perpetrating in a past existence. If, on the other hand, we have positive experiences, that's because we gave positive experiences to others in the past. As the saying goes, "what comes round, goes round."

[burgundia]

Because in a previous incarnation they were the ones who did the torturing and this time they are the victims. A case of working off karma.

And the ones that were tortured in the previous lives had been tortured by others? So when did it all start? Who started torturing first?

[Peace of mind]

No disrespect, but I have always had a problem believing the ideas of the living whenever they try to explain life after death. The theories may be intriguing, but I never had the opportunity to speak to a deceased person to confirm the information, and it doesn’t help when the new souls arriving have no recollection of their past lives. It sounds to me, that I might be doomed in my next life because I do too much positive things in this life. That doesn’t sound good to me at all. Besides, knowing what I know about manifestations…I doubt if I want to believe I will be back here again suffering.

Life after death could probably be what ever our minds deem it to be. As individuals, our thoughts make our surroundings. So logically, I would think taking that same mentality into the after life will just intensify the experiences with these all so familiar thoughts. The scale of manifestations will be larger because of the fact that you’re now fully exposed and swimming in the pure mind….therefore creating your description of heaven and hell. Think it create it.

Oooor, maybe the soul will just go onto another realm or planet. Or it can reincarnate into another animal. Or maybe I have done a heap of foul stuff in a past life, if so, why don’t I have any memories of it. Yes, anything is possible. This is very interesting Brinty (as you are always), but I find this very speculative and for sanity reasons, I digress

Peace

[Brinty]

And the ones that were tortured in the previous lives had been tortured by others? So when did it all start? Who started torturing first?

That is knowledge that I don't have access to. It is not for us to know everything at this stage of our development. The message that comes through is "what happened in the past is not important, what IS important is what is being done in the present to influence the future in a positive way"

[Brinty]

Life after death could probably be what ever our minds deem it to be. As individuals, our thoughts make our surroundings. So logically, I would think taking that same mentality into the after life will just intensify the experiences with these all so familiar thoughts. The scale of manifestations will be larger because of the fact that you’re now fully exposed and swimming in the pure mind….therefore creating your description of heaven and hell. Think it create it.



The immediate sense one has after death is of whatever one has imagined awareness will be after death. If you believed in Hell and you died with a guilty conscience, you will experience whatever you imagined Hell to be like. Conversely, if you believed that Heaven was where you sit around floating on a cloud and playing a harp, then that's what you'd get - until, in each case, your guardian angels or spirit guides would bring you up to speed with the true reality.

I'm sorry that you've never had the experience of "talking" to a deceased loved one. I can assure you there isn't a more rewarding experience. To know there is awareness after death is very comforting - particularly as you get closer to popping off. There are things out there in the true reality that we can't even begin to imagine. So much so that we are unable to comprehend even a small part of it. There is usually a good reason for us not knowing everything. We have to progress through stages in our development. For example, you wouldn't try teaching calculus to kindergarten children before they've learned to add and subtract. As the old adage goes, "softly, softly, catchy monkey."

[Ross H]

The immediate sense one has after death is of whatever one has imagined awareness will be after death. If you believed in Hell and you died with a guilty conscience, you will experience whatever you imagined Hell to be like. Conversely, if you believed that Heaven was where you sit around floating on a cloud and playing a harp, then that's what you'd get - until, in each case, your guardian angels or spirit guides would bring you up to speed with the true reality.

I'm sorry that you've never had the experience of "talking" to a deceased loved one. I can assure you there isn't a more rewarding experience. To know there is awareness after death is very comforting - particularly as you get closer to popping off. There are things out there in the true reality that we can't even begin to imagine. So much so that we are unable to comprehend even a small part of it. There is usually a good reason for us not knowing everything. We have to progress through stages in our development. For example, you wouldn't try teaching calculus to kindergarten children before they've learned to add and subtract. As the old adage goes, "softly, softly, catchy monkey."


OOh yeah...you got that right my friend...I hope to jam with 'Jimmy the Hendrix':band: before I scoot about the 'bulk' and have a good ole look see!:arf2:

Peace.

[orthodoxymoron]

Maybe I'll reincarnate as a lizard or a snake...or maybe even as a reptilian. Who knows...maybe I am a reptilian...and don't know it. Perhaps we simply review our lives after we die...and then get randomly assigned to a new body. Perhaps it's a very businesslike operation...operated by the reptilians. I keep thinking that the reps are our nannies, managers, and prison guards...and that they are directed by Human ET's (Pleiadians?). I don't know the details...and all of the above may be pure unmitigated popycock.

How much of our religious, theological, spiritual, and paranormal perceptions are determined by our hopes, fears, and imaginations...rather than by considering all of the possibilities in a rather detached manner? We've been lied to and kicked around so much...that it's hard to really be objective regarding our past, present, and future. What is the reality of our existence...really? Why is the truth so purposefully and deliberately hidden from us? Why do we have to dig and fight to find out what's really going on? Are we all too eager to replace one lie with another? Do we all too easily jump out of the frying pan...and into the fire? I keep thinking that our true situation is both better and worse than we think.

[Brinty]

Maybe I'll reincarnate as a lizard or a snake...or maybe even as a reptilian. Who knows...maybe I am a reptilian...and don't know it. Perhaps we simply review our lives after we die...and then get randomly assigned to a new body. Perhaps it's a very businesslike operation...operated by the reptilians. I keep thinking that the reps are our nannies, managers, and prison guards...and that they are directed by Human ET's (Pleiadians?). I don't know the details...and all of the above may be pure unmitigated popycock.

How much of our religious, theological, spiritual, and paranormal perceptions are determined by our hopes, fears, and imaginations...rather than by considering all of the possibilities in a rather detached manner? We've been lied to and kicked around so much...that it's hard to really be objective regarding our past, present, and future. What is the reality of our existence...really? Why is the truth so purposefully and deliberately hidden from us? Why do we have to dig and fight to find out what's really going on? Are we all too eager to replace one lie with another? Do we all too easily jump out of the frying pan...and into the fire? I keep thinking that our true situation is both better and worse than we think.

People will believe what they want to believe. They will only start to believe the truth when they are ready for it.

[Carmen]

I also like the idea Brinty that we reincarnate during our current life, and is in fact, what we are meant to do. Every time we change our mind, change an attitude, we change timelines. When we change absolutely, one indication is that none of our current friends or our families understand us. They move on and we get another whole set of new friends and associates eventually. Often we never see the old set again! We have nothing in common anymore. Isnt this sort of reincarnating without dying? Much tidier!

Love

Carmen

[Brinty]

I also like the idea Brinty that we reincarnate during our current life, and is in fact, what we are meant to do. Every time we change our mind, change an attitude, we change timelines. When we change absolutely, one indication is that none of our current friends or our families understand us. They move on and we get another whole set of new friends and associates eventually. Often we never see the old set again! We have nothing in common anymore. Isnt this sort of reincarnating without dying? Much tidier!

Love

Carmen

That's an interesting idea Carmen, I can recall having close friends of years ago that have now faded into distant memory. Contact has been on a fairly spasmodic basis and as you suggest, we are now poles apart and have little in common - apart from living. :naughty:

Dolores Cannon suggests that we are living numerous lives in different dimensions at one and the same time. :shocked: It then ocured to me that maybe when we are dreaming, :sleep_1: we are actually experiencing one of our other lives. Also, on the topic of dreams, why do the most outlandish things happen and we don't bat an eyelid - but if it happened in our daily lives, we'd go off the deep end? :insane:

[FIIISH]

This is a great discussion Brinty.

Also, on the topic of dreams, why do the most outlandish things happen and we don't bat an eyelid - but if it happened in our daily lives, we'd go off the deep end?

I have pondered this one myself, and the answer I have come up with
is this: We can experience things in our dreams that can be quite intense.
However, when the dream is over, that reality is also over and we typically do not have to live with it.

During our waking hours, that is much tricker to do. We can change how we think about something that happens, but otherwise we still have to live with whatever we create.

[dolphin]

britny i have a hard time believing that if you built up enough good energy, you'd end up one the opposite spectrum of having a life full of negative experiences. that doesn't make sense and i don't believe that is karma.

i used to believe what britny wrote (except for the above), but now after a lot of reading and research, i'm starting to think it's as saramay has suggested. there's more manipulation from others. i've read the Tibetan Book of the Dead, and it says that the kind of emotional energy you have right before death often determines where you end up on the other side and coming back and reincarnating.

i like the idea of rebirth from carmen's point of view in this life.

thanks for the post britny. according to barbara marciniak in Bringer's of the Dawn, one day we will not have to have a physical death.

[Malletzky]

The idea of karma pervading and mixing with our existence on this planet, now and ever, just don’t fits with my feelings about what the whole human existence is meant to be...But hey, I don’t claim to know everything!

Now, is there a way to deal with a possible karma in your life? There is...you’ll find bellow my objective notion...and sorry for the long post :original:

If you contemplate our world as a game with limited levels, with only one possible goal which one must achieve and only one gate to escape and go further and higher in the matrix, then the idea of reincarnation makes sense. Say, you’ve been given few lives and limited time to achieve the highest goal = escaping this “reality” and go higher in the matrix....until, let’s say, total enlightenment.

“Searching” to find out what you must achieve in order to find the gate to finaly “upgrade” and escape this level is not an easy task, as the programmer(s) included many hidden hints and many hidden traps...and therefore, for many, if not for almost all of us, it becomes impossible to achieve this with your first attempt. The consequence? YOU just restart the game and play again...or “reincarnate”, but with limited knowledge of your previous experiences, as this is how the programmer(s) set the rules.

You’re only allowed to take a limited amount of previous experiences with you, but in return you must agree to take some “karma” with you too...which you first must discharge in order to use the experiences you were allowed to take with..

Nevertheless, it all starts with recognising that you and only you are responsible for all that happens in the game.

As soon as you start acting responsibly and according to some rules (for example everything you do in the game must be accomplished for the highest good and not only for yours), you’ll be given more and more hints and you’re able to recognise these easier. Let’s say, there are some pop- ups on the screen which tells you where to go, what to do etc., [like guidance (or inner voice)] until you’re finaly successful.

Then, after some time of playing and failing to finish the game, you’re given the right to co-programm your next life, where you exactly know what’s still missing and you exactly know where to go and what to do...even if this means that you choose to be tortured. All of this with the highest idea of going further and further, until achievement of the highest possible level and finding the gate to enter the matrix...where you’ll find another and easier path to finaly meet the programmer(s).

Sounds bizarre???? Well maybe it is bizarre???? Who knows? Do any of you know exactly?

I personally feel (and many evidences in my own and other people’s lives confirm this) that we actually have to deal with karma in this current life more then dealing with karma from our previous lives...but we’re too often too blind to recognise the situations and the meanings of these. We only ask the same (I wouldn’t say stupid, but hey...) questions over and over again... “why now”...”why me”...never recognising that...

... it is US and only US who are responsible for all that happens in the game.

Brinty, thans for this thread, it's really some very good discussion here...

with :wub2: and respect
malletzky

[Brinty]

The idea of karma pervading and mixing with our existence on this planet, now and ever, just don’t fits with my feelings about what the whole human existence is meant to be...But hey, I don’t claim to know everything!



I respect your views Malletzky and I would just like to add that the time is fast approaching when karma will no longer be an issue. All karmic debts will be canceled when the 'game' is over and the shift occurs.

[Fredkc]

Hey Brinty;

Nice to see a fellow grey-beard old fart around here.

Allow me to throw a couple worms in the soup.

Start with, the notion that time doesn't really exist. Time is basically part of the illusion generated by the ego for its own purposes (separation, division of cause ansd effect, ability to "observe" rather than see, etc). In short, "Time exists so all of this stuff doesn't happen at once." when in reality it does.

That means that, in the grand scheme, we are all of our incarnations at once.

Also means that we, as a "central identity" balance the effect of our various experiences, from all our lives, as a whole.

One of the more important effects of this, once you think about it, is the fact that it all comes back to the here and now. The "you" who is healed in any given life, is the same you in "this" one.

Anyway... a short 2 cents worth, to feed the mix.

Fred

[Brinty]

Hey Brinty;

Nice to see a fellow grey-beard old fart around here.

Allow me to throw a couple worms in the soup.

Start with, the notion that time doesn't really exist. Time is basically part of the illusion generated by the ego for its own purposes (separation, division of cause ansd effect, ability to "observe" rather than see, etc). In short, "Time exists so all of this stuff doesn't happen at once." when in reality it does.

That means that, in the grand scheme, we are all of our incarnations at once.

Also means that we, as a "central identity" balance the effect of our various experiences, from all our lives, as a whole.

One of the more important effects of this, once you think about it, is the fact that it all comes back to the here and now. The "you" who is healed in any given life, is the same you in "this" one.

Anyway... a short 2 cents worth, to feed the mix.

Fred

Hi Fred, I love your description of us old-timers - it fits well. The fact that time is non existent is about as hard to believe as the concept of the earth being spherical. Our senses scream to us that such is not the case - but when you take the concept on board, it explains a lot of things that just don't make sense. I personally think that the idea of multiples of ourselves existing concurrently can explain de-ja vu, and dreaming. Not only do we exist in multiple parallel universes, bit also in many dimensions. I'm dying to find out how it actually works. :D