Self Proclaimed Illuminati Insider on Agenda for Humanity

[AscendingStarseed]

Dialogue with "Hidden Hand", Self-Proclaimed Illuminati Insider

This self-proclaimed Illuminati Insider appeared on the "Above Top Secret" forum in October 2008, giving away information about the Illuminati Agenda and their goals. The reason for this, he says, is because time is right for us to know some of what is going on behind the scenes. And when he explains WHY he needs to reveal it now, it's very convincing. In this article I will post the dialogue between the "Above Top Secret Forum" members and "Hidden Hand" in its entirety.

Ever wondered who is "on top of the Pyramid?" He gives us a clue. The bloodline he represents is well above the Rothschild's in power and in the hierarchy and is extra-terrestrial in origin. The 13 bloodlines we have been talking about thus far on this website and others, with the Rothschild's in a top position together with the Merovingian Nobility, are quite low rank in the Big Pyramid Structure, and are the ones playing a power game here on Earth, only aware of parts of the Big Game (a need to know basis). The bloodline "Hidden Hand" is supposedly belonging to is way more advanced and higher rank.

His answers may need to be read more than once to understand the different layers of what he is telling us. Afterwards, when you start connecting the dots you notice that a lot of pieces in the big puzzle that previously were missing and left unanswered, suddenly fit.

It's been hard to perceive what ULTIMATELY drives the Illuminati. Greed? Yes. Power? Of course. Control? Sure. But you always have this feeling that there is a deeper mystery behind their "Great Work of the Ages". This may very well be the answer!

When you are done reading this article and feel inspired, please go to the website, Law of One, and start absorbing the information presented there. It is a huge database on the same subject, but extensively expanded. Both these article, may if we read them with understanding plus an open mind and an open heart, show us the real so[u]lution to the New World Order [def] problem.

Here's the link to the dialogue between the Above Top Secret members [ATS] and "Hidden Hand" [HH],

http://wespenre.blogspot.com/2009/02/dialogue-with-hidden-hand-self.html

[artvision]

Hi AscendingStarseed,

This information is in the same perspective of this one, from 2005:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/403303/The-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider-2005

Some information is true, some is not. One issue is for sure, they are doing their job, us we must do ours! We suppose not feel personal hate towards them. They are somehow, just as "tools" in a more extensive sense. We cannot be upset on the knife that is stubbing us, or on a bullet that is piercing us, because that are tools.

Worthwhile lecture that should make us think for a moment! Thank you for bringing to our attention! :original:

[Bloodoftheberry]

I was immensely impressed by the Hidden Hand discourse when I first read it and, over a year later, the information still resonates strongly with me. I have noticed that a lot of the people who consider it disinformation generally tend to dwell on the unimportant aspects of the dialogue (for instance, his predictions) and ignore the essential aspects (his explanations on how to become more Service to Others, which are faultless). A sincere and undoubted compassion radiates from his final posts.

If anyone is interested in exploring the Hidden Hand discourse further, I actually wrote a commentary on it for my website.

Part 1: http://www.metamorpheus.co.uk/?p=258

Part 2: http://www.metamorpheus.co.uk/?p=247

Regarding the 'other' insider, I would estimate that his information is maybe 35-40% accurate at best. His notion that we are living in a prison is flawed, and not a healthy outlook for developing souls to adopt.

The term 'prison' is redundant in a free will universe.

[AscendingStarseed]

Thank you Artvision and BloodoftheBerry for responding, I am quite impressed with the work as well...although I'm still processing some of the material and plan on doing another read-thorough to get a better understanding on some of the points. But, overall considering the source it seems to get down to the core nature of the agenda.

This is the first time I've seen it and was hoping to get some good feedback from PA members like yourself...thanks!

[Moxie]

You could do a search on this site for Hidden Hand, it went the rounds here over a year ago I think.

[xlsander]

i was impressed by the info as well - it actually made me discover the LOO and has lead me onto a path i very much appreciate and am endlessly grateful for.

I also wrote a song about it:

YouTube- hidden hand - L.A.soon

keep the light shinin gmy friends :-)

[AscendingStarseed]

You could do a search on this site for Hidden Hand, it went the rounds here over a year ago I think.

I imagine like myself there a lot of people who weren't on this site a year ago who wouldn't know to look for it...didn't know it existed until I stumbled on it somewhere else so with luck I can do the same favor for someone else here. Interesting info most of which resonated deeply, glad I found it and was interested in feedback from other members

[AscendingStarseed]

i was impressed by the info as well - it actually made me discover the LOO and has lead me onto a path i very much appreciate and am endlessly grateful for.

I also wrote a song about it:

YouTube- hidden hand - L.A.soon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvLqlioBBS0)

keep the light shinin gmy friends :-)

Thanks for the video...very well done!

[micjer]

Yes that is quite a video. Here are the words.


from the perspective of a Service to Self entity
from the highest ranks of the powers that be

I was born to be bad
I was born to be cruel
my bloodline reaches back
I'm the ancient new
and everytime you cry
everytime you lie
everytime you fight
and everytime you die
you're making us stronger can you believe this
we're playing you all and you just can't see it
since all we have to do
is to divide you
and keep our hands on the truth

there's nothing you can do
we rule over you
we keep you out
we take from you
until the last drop
till the days stop
you'll never be one, no

and we laugh at you
yea we're laughing at you
and we laugh at you
yea we're laughing at you
and we laugh at you
yea we're laughing at you
and we laugh at you
yea we're laughing at you

they came down the skies
flying serpents
they had knowledge about DNA created earthlings
and they left you here
left us here
to teach you who you're not
no matter how cruel you just can't see it
that all you have to do is to believe in
you're all one from the same source
you're interconnected souls
too late
the next ascenscion is ours to make

there's nothing you can do
we rule over you
we keep you out
we take from you
until the last drop
till the days stop
you'll never be one, no

and we laugh at you
yea we're laughing at you
and we laugh at you
yea we're laughing at you
and we laugh at you
yea we're laughing at you
and we laugh at you
yea we're laughing at you

[Thunderbird]

That was a very insightful and illuminating post Starseed.

I am 80% through the material and all of it so far resonates very deeply with me.

Thank you so much for bringing this.

[Jonah]

It's gonna be a battle for sure... and they want you to have doubt as to what the outcome will be. Their game all over.

[xlsander]

thank you - glad you liked it :original:

and yes really well written article - thank you! :thumb_yello:

I was completely resonating with the underlying LOO info when i read it a year back

at that time i had no affiliation with conspiracies and spirituality

so this has been a huge eye opener -and since then i have been reading and seeking

and finding - so in that sense i like to regard this as a productive catalyst.

i know that on DC or in the L/L forum anything STS related often is not really

liked to be discussed - although DC is way stricter about that.

anyway - i liked your comments and thoughts - and it has been interesting for me

to re-read some of the core material after this time passed and i had learned and discovered so much in between

thats the spiral right there :-)

[Derek]

Thank you so much for posting this. Since reading it (2 days ago) its changed my perspective on alot of things and has brought me closer to the law of one (which i was in the process of reading before) :original:

[Neo]

The info regarding working on self I agree with. The history of mankind and why all this is happening seems a little stupid and pointless to me. So once upon a time we were all blissful, happy and enlightened but we werent progressing because of it?!! All this negativity is to show us 'what we are not'?!?! I would like to meet this creator god first hand to tell him he is an idiot.

The 'family bloodline' thing is also an insulting joke in my view. 'We are enlightened and you are not, and you can not be part of our family. We are negative in order to make you positive'. (anyone else see this as retarded and promotes the concept of seperation even more?)
What a nice thought it is to think that you are only on this planet because you are quarantined, put simply (you are too dumb and dangerous to be anywhere else) and the only way to evolve is to live a life of self sacrifice.
WOW that sounds enticing!
We are only so dumb and dangerous cos we've been made that way, socially and genetically!!

How about, Educate the whole human race completely and this could all be over with!
Please excuse the cynicism guys but if this message is really about helping us to enlightenment, then why does there always exist the cloak and dagger BS?
Oh thats right 'we cant infringe upon free will' lmao... so the gradual manipulation by deception is not an infringment?.... ahh thats the fine print.


GGGGRRRR!!:wall:

[AscendingStarseed]

I guess it's a matter of perspective and interpretation Neo, I also think that on a Universal level it's all sooo very complicated the finite nature of our brains really don't have to capacity to understand what Life is about...and when we are inspired by an enlightened vision of the Truth that it's beyond the capacity of our language structure to effectively communicate the true nature of God's agenda on a level that will be universal understood by humans. This kind of subject matter usually elicits a uniquely individual response from everyone that reads :thumb_yello:

[AscendingStarseed]

Yes that is quite a video. Here are the words.


from the perspective of a Service to Self entity
from the highest ranks of the powers that be

I was born to be bad
I was born to be cruel
my bloodline reaches back
I'm the ancient new
and everytime you cry
everytime you lie
everytime you fight
and everytime you die
you're making us stronger can you believe this
we're playing you all and you just can't see it
since all we have to do
is to divide you
and keep our hands on the truth...
there's nothing you can do
we rule over you
we keep you out
we take from you
until the last drop
till the days stop
you'll never be one, no



Thanks, I didn't catch all of the lyrics :wink2:

[mu2143]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the the Law Of One is part of the New Age Agenda. there playing both evil and good!

Because there ultimate plan is to inslave us using our free will, but they have to brake you first. Why do you think there was no disclosure , it is because there plan was to create chaos first and then present you with a Messiah. New technology cure for aids and cancer etc check the new Serie V its in there

The first thing they want to do is to create a problem that wil cause to dollar to devalue futher then they can blame it on that!!!. This wil be the start of the first crysis!!!. The second wave of the Lab virus still has to hit America thats what you have to watch for.

The PTB already released the second upgraded version in the Ukraine and it is just a matter of time when it is going to hit the USA.

There is going to be more trouble in the Middle east with Israel/Iran etc and Dubai on a Economic bases. It is already falling apart and just another crysis wil brake it down.!!!!


2010 wil be the time where the first thing are going to happen!!!

[Stardustaquarion]

It is interesting and certainly backs up the information of the Voyager Book II from Ashayana Dean (which has much more detail) Not sure about yaweh being the Earth soul...

[AscendingStarseed]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the the Law Of One is part of the New Age Agenda. there playing both evil and good!

Why do you think there was no disclosure , it is because there plan was to create chaos first and then present you with a Messiah.

The first thing they want to do is to create a problem that wil cause to dollar to devalue futher then they can blame it on that!!!. This wil be the start of the first crysis!!!. The second wave of the Lab virus still has to hit America thats what you have to watch for.

The PTB already released the second upgraded version in the Ukraine and it is just a matter of time when it is going to hit the USA.

There is going to be more trouble in the Middle east with Israel/Iran etc and Dubai on a Economic bases. It is already falling apart and just another crysis wil brake it down.!!!!


2010 wil be the time where the first thing are going to happen!!!

Don't worry, you're not bursting my bubble! I don't live in a religious fairy tale that believes in a Messiah and don't relate to this whole "New Age" movements either. Nor do I care to watch V another Illuminati propaganda series that programs peoples minds with a bunch of ****....in fact, I rarely turn the TV on anymore. Although up until about 2 months ago, it was on 24/7...it was usually news, history, discovery, nat geo, science.

I'm well aware of everything you mention above and much more, you're preaching to the choir baby...

[mu2143]

O well if only David Wilcock figure it out that the Law Of One is another trap.

The problem is that there is some kind technology bloking our soul memory
and because our DNA past life memory is switch off aswell.

If this thing is on the moon then the only thing what they have to do is to remove the moon.

Some people had a Vision of 2 Moons where one of them is in pieces then if Alex Collier is right about what he said that there is an object closing in that is friendly then it is getting realiy interresting.

http://www.youtube.com/user/EyesWideOpenJune04#p/search/0/368bJEmArc4

[xlsander]

have you ever read the LOO yourself?

[AscendingStarseed]

have you ever read the LOO yourself?

I started to read it, but didn't finish it

[xlsander]

i was asking mu since he said it is a trap - i havent finished it myself - but it is really just awesome - hard to describe or to compare to most of other things i have read. i also read carla's 101 the choice (very recommendable) - and bits of the wanderer's handbook (need to finish that) - L/L research's work very much resonates with me - and carla is such a loving person - as you could tell from various chats (on brng4th weekly or so) with her and i also liked her recent short video interview a lot - i am very glad to have came across this material and it literally changed my life - to the better! and the catalyst for that has been the H_H postings :original:

[Anchor]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the the Law Of One is part of the New Age Agenda.

Is this just your opinion or is it a testable fact?

O well if only David Wilcock figure it out that the Law Of One is another trap.

When did you work it out ? How do you know? On what basis do you form this conclusion?

The entire book is simply a Q and A session. It is answers to some questions. That is all it is, some guy asking questions and getting some answers. Readers can however discern much wisdom from these answers.

I read the Law Of One, an I personally consider it a good, somewhat hard but enlightening read. Also, for what its worth, I think there is some truth in what I read there.

I also feel that each of us who have read it, particularly those who resonate to a greater extent with elements of this work, are our own individual "movements". Not a "New Age" movement as you call it.

People who are part of a "New Age" anything are being led like sheep.

That is not what the Law of one is about - I suppose it can be used that way. I can see that because it has gathered a good "reputation" for being more accurate than your usual channelling, then it is easy to use it as a tool for manipulation - same as the bible - but it isnt a bible.

Anything can be a trap for those who are not being careful.

I actually read the Hidden Hand material. I liked it. I think it offers another perspective. Is it gospel? Of course not ! Just think about who was supposed to have written the damn thing!!

Discernment required.

A..

[lightblue]

I quite undesstand why you didn't finish it..quite frankly i find the same - the text is too tedious, non sequetial..and then you have the brainies claiming they undestand it..in some cases forming quasi cult like following where one or two have the inspiration to interpret it tou you. It does not hold water, i am afraid. have you tried posting a commment on d wilcock's site that it's not completely in keeping with his faultless interpretations? You won't get far! And then he is ranting on about negativity in us and why it is that he gets hate mail etc etc..i feel he's gone well off course..sad. i most honestly hope and pray that he would get back to his good senses and drop the story about his latest holywood production movie..i do hope he gets back to basics, we need pepole like himself.

equally and i do strongly agree with NEO a few posts back - the self proclaimed illluminati's text is most insulting. sick propaganda of a derranged and wicked mind.. nonsense. i wish i never layed my eyes on it..it's all distraction and contamination.

rather than; succumb to a pre-planned scenario of whoever and whatever group, i'd say: walk tall, focus and fear not...and i read somwhere, maybe here: where focus goes, energy flows!

bestest to us all

[Anchor]

It does not hold water, i am afraid. have you tried posting a commment on d wilcock's site that it's not completely in keeping with his faultless interpretations? You won't get far! And then he is ranting on about negativity in us and why it is that he gets hate mail etc etc..i

What is the connection between David Wilcock and the Law Of One?

They usually get assaulted in the same posts but they are very different things. Except for the fact that DW refers to it as a high quality channel - and has to "channelled" Ra? Is that the connection? Aside from the Ra connection there is no link between DW and the LOO series.

So yes if I could ever be bothered to post on DW's website and it was a contrary view - I know that I would get shut down. What has that to do with the quality or validity of the LOO material itself ?

DW doesn't intend to lead sheep, but there are sheep there. Not his fault.

Even if you buy that he channeled Ra, channeling is not the same as being - I have listened to all the publicly available changelings that DW did of Ra and at no time did "Ra" ever say anything to suggest that DW's credibility was any different to yours or mine.

i'd say: walk tall, focus and fear not...and i read somwhere, maybe here: where focus goes, energy flows!

Bingo! I totally agree.

A..

[xlsander]

the H_H postings lead me to the LOO and it opened a whole new view on my life's essential questions of who i am and why i am - any why here etc.

and i consider the LOO and especially the way L/L handles this as very very empowering and free for individuality - not cultish in any way (CoM seems differen there to me) - L/L actually refuses to go out and make the material known agressively - carla sais the people whom it gives something will find it and often in magical and in mysterious ways -
just like our universe works.

also, i dont have any problem with DW and what people tend to call his "ego"
I believe his ambitions are absolutely legitimate - after all we are living in 3D and
his message is empowering and he seems to be very supportive to all people.

I have met him in person in zürich last summer and the guy seemed very down to earth to me

what is the problem in wanting to accomplish a movie project?

i, for one, think the idea is great and i wish him best of success!

:original:

[lightblue]

i too wish all the best to all wishing to promote an uplifting self-empowering mode to everyone of us.

in response to LLA and DW comment by Anchor - despite aknkowledging DW as a well wishing character, I have noticed that on his website unilateral thinking is promoted - eithr love me or go away sort of thing..thank god for Bill and Kerry, for, there isn't a trace of an ego that's more and more found on DW's. With due rspect I maintain that his site khas become cultish - he has things to to with LLO and he strongly endorses his and his follower's take on it.

Would like to stress that though channeling can be a valuable source of info, it can also be false, or mislleading. the entity being channeled can be corrupt and/or become corrupt. I'd say caution is sorely needed. I am also guessing that a lot of us are being used as channels (with or without our intent) as of late in particular..I am stating this from my own experience. The messages i got were verbaly most explicit , but i keep an open mind and keep them to myself as they may be misleading.. there are so many forces at play and one must set aside one's own ego to be able to count the messages being funneled down our mind as relevant these days..and they are only relevant if they are relevant to us all..there should not be any conditions..we are in the same boat. Bill and kerry got that. not sure about DW and his take on Ra and LLO any more.

angels fly becausee they take themselves lightly

bestest from NW2 london, uk
on a gloriuos sunny day
off cycling, enjoying the day..

[xlsander]

I agree and all Q'uo session start like this:

We are those known to you as the principle of Q’uo. We greet you in the love and in the light of the one infinite Creator, in whose service we come to this circle this evening. It is a privilege and a pleasure to be called to your circle of seeking. We thank you for the honor and we are glad to speak to the one known as D.

However, as always, we would ask that all of those who listen to or read these words exercise discernment, choosing from those opinions which we share the thoughts that resonate and that seem helpful, leaving the rest behind without a single thought. For in this way, you shall safeguard the processes of your own evolution. And we shall feel that comfort that comes from knowing that we shall not be infringing upon your free will in any way. We thank you for this consideration.

[mu2143]

I know that a freemason has setup the Newage movemend thats what I know.
But I suggest just to lookup it your self to see if you can find any information your self.

http://www.zoeken.nl/?&vid=l8721016651I1260460446&con=y&mpg=1&target=web&asid=1600514675&query=freemason+New+Age&refer=&where=web&yhspchkid=

So you can see the proof yourself, Because it is all about question everything you come a cross. Remember if you knew who you are then you see it directly,but because of the condision where in not knowing anything any more they can stuff anything down your troat. Soul blocked, DNA memory switch off, Mind controll etc to name a view

What the PTB always want you to do is to follow a Book or another Media with out questioning it your self. Following a book blindly is they same is following another person. This is called worshipping, but if your replace it with an item with information it those not appear this way at first..

When your so convinced that it is all good then they got you, because you wil defend the information in this book by the letter or person Obama??ring any bells most people I bumb in to say he is wonderfull. WTF???

I've talked to people who are very aware on what is going on and they are following the Bible, but he is not going research anything else. I found out that the guy himself was to afraid to trust his on self. Just an example ....(waiting to be saved...)

It could well have been that the reason is it is a wonderfulll book etc, just to make a point.

Mu(Lumeria) and Atlantis got destroyed because of we believing a lie. So they have planned this for a very very long time not just a view 1000, but 10.000 of years or even more. till a point in time where we totally forgot who we are!!

[Unified Serenity]

There is a family bloodline that does do negative things, but I don't think it is because they plan it, it's just their nature. Then there are those who also do things out of greed, control, power desires and it plays into things that are destined to happen.

I happen to believe that all energy emanates from an ultimate source so in effect we are all one, but I also believe that some truths are twisted to get people to follow a path that looks good, but ultimately takes them off a "true" course of spiritual evolution to their highest potential and thus serves the negatively motivated forces.

Thus discernment is needed to know what path one is truly following.

[lightblue]

in response to xlsander a couple of post ago:

you know, i would really, like to lose this wee argument, besides, yours is a much stronger conviction that the txts are authentic and fair as they invite our own discernment..
to the best of my understanding and experience, the most powerful propaganda (lie) is the one offering a high degree of truth elements in it...and just as you start to recognize all the true bits according to your discernment - bang! you swallow the gossest lie as well - which can totally distort the whole point being made..Q'uo's introduction you may think is fair and considerate, but i hear it as oily and discriminatory..why would Q'uo ask to speak to a particular person with the initial so and so..sounds like a spiritist session to me where one is chosen and the rest may or may not be fit to grasp the content ...the TRUTH of our existence is the same to all and it relates to everyone and each and every one of us is able to relate to it. I myself need no prophets and/or annointed ones..what I'd appreciate is more human beings with integrity (like Bill and Kerry) willing to gather and share relevant information..according to which we can use our own discerment.

I am almost certain that everyone is and/or can be a channel. one problem remains - how are we to know if an entity is integrious? That's a tough one. having said that, i kind of feel that in not too long we'd be able to tell and apply the information accordingly. only not just yet..dr david hawkins did a lot of interesting research into human inability to tell truth from a lie..i know it sounds unbelievable.. he spoke and wrote about it with a lot scientific and spiritual integrity..indirectly, his work explains why is it that the majority of us is still looking for an authority we could trust - so to be able to follow, adore and admire..why do you think we need that as a group if not because we are not able to differentiate truth from falsehood ourselves. and why is it that a lot of people expect a full "disclosure" - assuming some guys higher up in the know owe us the truth..in my estimation, it won't happen and i frankly believe we don't need it, not any more..things have come to a point where what's not serving the purpose, falls away of its own accord..all the doors are loosening, we just have to look in the right direction and keep our eyes and hearts open. Really, do you think that the governments will come out and say: here, it's your free energy device, use it in good health..or: hey, we've been lying to you for a long time, here's the deal...no, they are here to protect the established stance and we are here to trun our focus away and onto what wee seek to know - then, the answers will come.
Be your own channel of information and say: I feel this is so and so..it's enthralling..and you than could look at what Ra had to say and compare it to your own inner source.

bestest

[eleni]

I think HH uses New Age lingo to justify negative behavior. If their *knd* (not knowing really who they are since he is very vague and I DO NOT BELIEVE he is living on inner earth) wanted to amp their karma they could do so right away and start behaving like human adults.

This reaping negative karma to get to 4th density negative is BS in my opinion. Change your karma NOW and start behaving with kindness and compassion towards others.

They seemed to have forgotten the Golden Rule.

[lightblue]

totally agree eleni

one particular detail i nolticed where i got completely convinced that the whole account is one big BS - it is when HH made a remark on sleep paralysis ..at that point I simply KNEW he/she's a fake and a very earthly one..not a lot is known in literature about how/why sleep paralysis occurs, but very many scientists agree that it happens exactly how HH describes it. It's a replica of what's out there according to our earthly flash and blood research. Only, the ones who have suffered or are still experiencing it well know that it is NOT as HH describes it and that there's a lot more to it and that it manifests in different ways. I do know a thing or two about it being a long term experiencer..and he is well off..the whole account is a sick one.

[eleni]

I can't stand when people say abductions are caused by sleep paralysis - duh, what about abductions that happen before you go to sleep and are wide awake and you see beings and then they paralyze you? One even tugged at my energy pendant! I said whose there? Next thing I was paralyzed!

HH is a fraud IMHO- a very human one.

[lightblue]

it appears that whatever force is doing it (the paralysing), is losing its momentum..from my experience that is..it's like it is trying ever so harder, but it's wearing itself off - if one manages to maintain a full awareness of it approaching...as i am sure you well know how it feels...touch wood..i do want to keep it at bay and allow only welcome influences that leave you uplifted.

[Bloodoftheberry]

Firstly, I'd like to point out that the Ra channelled by Wilcock is NOT the same as the Ra channelled by Carla Rueckert. Wilcock's Ra is his higher self, totally unrelated to the Ra social memory complex.


equally and i do strongly agree with NEO a few posts back - the self proclaimed illluminati's text is most insulting. sick propaganda of a derranged and wicked mind.. nonsense. i wish i never layed my eyes on it..it's all distraction and contamination.

Surely information that emphasises introspection and improving your thought patterns is anything but 'distracting'?

9/11, vaccines, the Federal Reserve, chemtrails...these are the distractions that are designed to encourage semi-awakened people from gazing inwards and discovering real, objective truth. If Hidden Hand had dwelled upon these unimportant issues, then I'd be inclined to agree with your conclusion. But alas, he attempts to steer the discourse towards metaphysics from the outset, constantly de-emphasising the NWO baggage - much to the chagrin of the materialistic truthers.


rather than; succumb to a pre-planned scenario of whoever and whatever group, i'd say: walk tall, focus and fear not...and i read somwhere, maybe here: where focus goes, energy flows!

bestest to us all

Hidden Hand claimed the same, hence why he urged his audience to monitor their thoughts for negativity, and offered advice on how to serve others better.

You could argue that he rationalised his own negativity, but he certainly didn't encourage the same negativity in ourselves.

[eleni]

He used Law Of One and other new age lingo to draw people into his *conversation*. That way he could make the NWO info more palatable.

[Anchor]

Wilcock's Ra is his higher self, totally unrelated to the Ra social memory complex

Surely not totally unrelated. The way I read it, DW's higher self is a individualized fragment of the social memory complex.

Or are you asserting that they are two different things with the same name (and vocal mannerisms ;) ) ?

A..

[lightblue]

surely, he/she/it was not inviting ngativity on our part though it/he/she did a good job of wickedness relativising. ..draw from it and enjoy if you can..i don't.

sounds to me a very evil eugenecist, pot belly, very much of this worldly domain..and while our keen , fine minds unwittingly start to indulge in wrestling with metaphysicsal concepts this entity is offering, we might just oversee what's happening in our immediate vicinity. is praying for the ongoing wars to end also a distraction in your book?


best wishes

[Bloodoftheberry]

is praying for the ongoing wars to end also a distraction in your book?


That depends on the manner in which you hope the war will end. If you pray for an ending that is organic and permits all parties involved to learn (or neutralise karma) from the experience, then I would consider that beneficial/STO.

But if you pray for the instantaneous termination of all ongoing wars, then those who instigated them through rhetoric, and actualised them through combat, will simply channel their destructive tendencies elsewhere. Likewise, the previous victims of the war would have to address their remaining karma through similar outlets.

A battlefield may seem chaotic and entropic to us, but in actuality every metaphorical corner of the macrocosm is - and always will be - in perfect harmony and balance. Like all exchanges, conflict simply represents the ongoing interaction between one consensual lesson and another, and if its cosmic unfolding is disrupted, then the universe will orchestrate its manifestation elsewhere.

I know you think differently – I'm just opinioning my offering ;)

[lightblue]

hi
A battlefield may seem chaotic and entropic to us, but in actuality every metaphorical corner of the macrocosm is - and always will be - in perfect harmony and balance. Like all exchanges, conflict simply represents the ongoing interaction between one consensual lesson and another, and if its cosmic unfolding is disrupted, then the universe will orchestrate its manifestation elsewhere.

the battlefield you are talking about has not been so for a long while.
i..you are here discussing a concept of war , but forgetting that the "war", ( in fact sheer violence, and murder for interest) instigators don't concern themselves with definition of wars..they go into sheer massacres..having first made sure that the country they are going for is weakened by sanctions etc to a maximum..then they deploy their depleted uranium murder bombs..sheer evil..maybe that is why they are not any more declaring wars..they go into killing spree "to save the humanity" ...totally wicked.., they call it humanitarian mission...that's if you followed the sequence of some recent ones..

in other words, you don't have the opposing parties, you have an outright butcher and an outright victim. it's a sheer murder, killing orgy..nothing to do with opposing polarities..that's if you just observe different hot spots these days.

you might have read bhagavad gita, i agree it's a great read

i had someone very close murdered by a bombing machine...and i know it's murder.. they call it a "collateral damage".

bw

[housemouse2]

Dialogue with "Hidden Hand", Self-Proclaimed Illuminati Insider
Here's the link to the dialogue between the Above Top Secret members [ATS] and "Hidden Hand" [HH],

http://wespenre.blogspot.com/2009/02/dialogue-with-hidden-hand-self.html

Well, I tried to stomach that 'interview" and now I will tell what is really is. A PR stunt. First HH contradicts himself often. I especially love how he insist that in order to "harvest" souls the earth need to be negative and people need to be selfish. Thus there will be lost of negative events in the world. However, it's a documented fact that catastrophe does just the opposite and brings beings to their best over all.

Next, his reasoning of "doing my duty" is just insane. There is no logical reasoning to admit this "secret info" to conspiracy theory based forums. This is pure entertainment!!!!

I'm actually laughing as I right this review. I probably could have wrote that "interview" half drunk, in the middle of the night.

The internet is a battle ground as well as an entertainment industry. Yes, you can get real info in real time from real sources but you also get...Hidden Hand who is actually in my estimation a computer geek, who eats Hot Pockets and has way too much time on his hands.

If that interview was real and the "Illuminati" are what was said. We have nothing to worry about. LOL.

[lightblue]

agree completely. ..
bw

[Bloodoftheberry]

Well, I tried to stomach that 'interview" and now I will tell what is really is. A PR stunt. First HH contradicts himself often. I especially love how he insist that in order to "harvest" souls the earth need to be negative and people need to be selfish. Thus there will be lost of negative events in the world. However, it's a documented fact that catastrophe does just the opposite and brings beings to their best over all.


Feel free to think what you want about the Hidden Hand posts, but at least read them correctly or you'll risk spreading misinformation. Everything you said here is wrong.

He claims that his own soul group requires a negative harvest, not the Earth and its inhabitants. Independent souls as ourselves have the choice to either serve others or ourselves, and both paths result in harvest. Hidden Hand repeatedly encourages us to choose the positive polarity, since that is our true nature.


If that interview was real and the "Illuminati" are what was said. We have nothing to worry about. LOL.

As spiritual beings, I assure you, we don't.

[lightblue]

He claims that his own soul group requires a negative harvest, not the Earth and its inhabitants. Independent souls as ourselves have the choice to either serve others or ourselves, and both paths result in harvest. Hidden Hand repeatedly encourages us to choose the positive polarity, since that is our true nature.


you first say that he says that: we as independent sould can choose either STS or STO..so that means thet according to HH we can choose EITHER!! your stressing that he carries on to encourage us to choose positive mens that HH superimposes him/herself as some kind of spiritual authority.."suince it is our true nature"..again HH usurps the authority of defining our true nature !!!

As spiritual beings, I assure you, we don't.

your effort seems genuine, but why not keep your assurances for whoever wants them.

best wiishes

[THE eXchanger]

he/she offers you a 6th density-or, high astral harvest
there is better than that !!!

We eXposed it all one night here,
however, NONE of YOU seemed very interested in it ???

[lightblue]

Dear Exchanger, please elucidate.
thanks

[truth and integrity]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the the Law Of One is part of the New Age Agenda. there playing both evil and good!

mu2143 I am on the same page with you.It took me a long time of an intense research to figure it out.I do not take seriously any channelled material any more. More than a decade ago I studied Course of Miracle- my first channelled material, followed by a few more, including the Law of One. I fell in love with Krishnamurti teachings and I am free from this influence too. The list is long but I finally I got my sight back.:original:

Best regards,

[Myra]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the the Law Of One is part of the New Age Agenda. there playing both evil and good!

Because there ultimate plan is to inslave us using our free will, but they have to brake you first. Why do you think there was no disclosure , it is because there plan was to create chaos first and then present you with a Messiah. New technology cure for aids and cancer etc check the new Serie V its in there

The first thing they want to do is to create a problem that wil cause to dollar to devalue futher then they can blame it on that!!!. This wil be the start of the first crysis!!!. The second wave of the Lab virus still has to hit America thats what you have to watch for.

The PTB already released the second upgraded version in the Ukraine and it is just a matter of time when it is going to hit the USA.

There is going to be more trouble in the Middle east with Israel/Iran etc and Dubai on a Economic bases. It is already falling apart and just another crysis wil brake it down.!!!!


2010 wil be the time where the first thing are going to happen!!!

Your post resonates with me. I question this too.

[firefly]

Iv'e read HH some time ago and it sent a shiver up my spine. Although I have not read the The Law of One or the Ra Material. however, I feel that we should not be focusing on anything negative because it empowers TPB. Love is the key and I have found that reading www.christsway.co.za/ has helped to raise my vibrations and consciencness. I have experienced some very real spiritual happenings since reading Christ's Letters. ie. One morning I woke and asked myself if I should listen to the radio's negative news or should I put on my meditation CD and read more of Christ's Letters? The decision was made for me as the CD started playing. That was enough to convince me that what I was reading in the Letters was the Truth. We must send out more love to heal our planet and its people and perhaps the likes of HH will just have to leave without their harvest.

Love and friendship
firefly

[14 Chakras]

What is the "New Age Agenda"?

Should we buy into the "Old Age Agenda"?

I find terminology quite funny in this regard.

The STO "harvest" is ascending to a higher level in the schoolroom of the universe, a deeper more powerful reality, where it is much more clear we are interconnected with each other and the source of all life is accessible within us.

The STS "harvest" is called judgment at the court of sacred fire. The STS beings have the opportunity to throw all their negative momentum's into the sacred fire and then must do the hard work of balancing all the negative karma they've created since they fell, so they can get back onto the true path of evolution, the path of Love and the path of More.

Or, if they refuse to do this, their other option is to jump into the sacred fire and their entire evolutionary experiences are erased and they start out from square one again as a brand new soul with absolutely no momentum whatsoever and begin their evolution from scratch again, no memories, nothing, just a fresh innocent soul in the schoolroom of infinity (meaning they have to do it all over again and get it right this time, and sometimes all over means billions of years of evolution!)

There is only one Way, the way of Oneness. STS is the false way and it leads to loss of opportunity to continue in the game or the paying back of immense amount of karma.

As Eleni says, STS beings can turn around Now and not have to go to the court of sacred fire, free will is the name of the game. Turn around and start helping your neighbor rather than eating them, and you get to keep playing the game and make great karma at this critical time in universal evolution.

Keep on the STS path and adios mon amigo... you have been harvested to the court of sacred fire where you will face trial by sacred fire...

I choose STO cause it's just more fun anyway! Why hurt when we can help?

For me, it's the only choice, it just makes sense, why would I want it any other way?

[Myra]

Well, I tried to stomach that 'interview" and now I will tell what is really is. A PR stunt. First HH contradicts himself often. I especially love how he insist that in order to "harvest" souls the earth need to be negative and people need to be selfish. Thus there will be lost of negative events in the world. However, it's a documented fact that catastrophe does just the opposite and brings beings to their best over all.

Next, his reasoning of "doing my duty" is just insane. There is no logical reasoning to admit this "secret info" to conspiracy theory based forums. This is pure entertainment!!!!

I'm actually laughing as I right this review. I probably could have wrote that "interview" half drunk, in the middle of the night.

The internet is a battle ground as well as an entertainment industry. Yes, you can get real info in real time from real sources but you also get...Hidden Hand who is actually in my estimation a computer geek, who eats Hot Pockets and has way too much time on his hands.

If that interview was real and the "Illuminati" are what was said. We have nothing to worry about. LOL.

I just do not trust HH. As soon as I read his/her interview red flags went up for me. Don't like the arrogance either. It reminded me a lot of the same thinking from "The Protocols of The Elders of Zion" that they are "chosen" and the rest of us are just "cattle". I don't agree with that thinking.

A lot of what lightblue and mu2143 said makes sense to me as well. Anyone can come in and say they have the answer to everything. But how can they be sure anyway and how do you know who you're dealing with? I guess it all depends on our discernment of each situation.

[lightblue]

mu2143 I am on the same page with you.It took me a long time of an intense research to figure it out.I do not take seriously any channelled material any more. More than a decade ago I studied Course of Miracle- my first channelled material, followed by a few more, including the Law of One. I fell in love with Krishnamurti teachings and I am free from this influence too. The list is long but I finally I got my sight back

dear Truth and Integrity
in your understanding, what is it that compromises channeled materials?

thanks bw

[lightblue]

Dear Myra

I just do not trust HH. As soon as I read his/her interview red flags went up for me. Don't like the arrogance either. It reminded me a lot of the same thinking from "The Protocols of The Elders of Zion" that they are "chosen" and the rest of us are just "cattle". I don't agree with that thinking.

A lot of what lightblue and mu2143 said makes sense to me as well. Anyone can come in and say they have the answer to everything. But how can they be sure anyway and how do you know who you're dealing with? I guess it all depends on our discernment of each situation.

Seems to me that you already employed your discernment and came to a good conclusion - you are a precious spiritual unit in this universe and you needn't prove it to any Authority to Be..i think we had enough of priests and guruhs over the eons..

You/we do not ask for any self proclaimed authority to interpret "higher order" of the spiritual eveolution..be it on or off this forum. Blooodoftheberry is indulging in analysing a very very dubious source to say the least..HH material is best ignored, left to oblivion..
best wishes

[firefly]

What is the "New Age Agenda"?

Should we buy into the "Old Age Agenda"?

I find terminology quite funny in this regard.

The STO "harvest" is ascending to a higher level in the schoolroom of the universe, a deeper more powerful reality, where it is much more clear we are interconnected with each other and the source of all life is accessible within us.

The STS "harvest" is called judgment at the court of sacred fire. The STS beings have the opportunity to throw all their negative momentum's into the sacred fire and then must do the hard work of balancing all the negative karma they've created since they fell, so they can get back onto the true path of evolution, the path of Love and the path of More.

Or, if they refuse to do this, their other option is to jump into the sacred fire and their entire evolutionary experiences are erased and they start out from square one again as a brand new soul with absolutely no momentum whatsoever and begin their evolution from scratch again, no memories, nothing, just a fresh innocent soul in the schoolroom of infinity (meaning they have to do it all over again and get it right this time, and sometimes all over means billions of years of evolution!)

There is only one Way, the way of Oneness. STS is the false way and it leads to loss of opportunity to continue in the game or the paying back of immense amount of karma.

As Eleni says, STS beings can turn around Now and not have to go to the court of sacred fire, free will is the name of the game. Turn around and start helping your neighbor rather than eating them, and you get to keep playing the game and make great karma at this critical time in universal evolution.

Keep on the STS path and adios mon amigo... you have been harvested to the court of sacred fire where you will face trial by sacred fire...

I choose STO cause it's just more fun anyway! Why hurt when we can help?

For me, it's the only choice, it just makes sense, why would I want it any other way?

Exactly, 14 Chakras, I agree. It always amazes me when I read your posts, I find them extremely enlightening. I often ask myself 'how does he/she know so much. Where was I when all that knowledge and understanding was given out?" I kind of missed out!

Love and friendship
firefly

[Panta rhei]

I imagine like myself there a lot of people who weren't on this site a year ago who wouldn't know to look for it...didn't know it existed until I stumbled on it somewhere else so with luck I can do the same favor for someone else here. Interesting info most of which resonated deeply, glad I found it and was interested in feedback from other members
I didn't know this existed either so thank you very much for posting this. I was very impressed by this discourse too and the information resonates strongly with me. The point of negativity being a catalyst for learning and those beings providing this catalyst, sacrificing themselves... puts a whole new light on things. Amazing stuff.

I didn't read the Ra Material yet but must say the many comments about it just made me slightly curious... :lol3: will put it on my book list.

[14 Chakras]

Exactly, 14 Chakras, I agree. It always amazes me when I read your posts, I find them extremely enlightening. I often ask myself 'how does he/she know so much. Where was I when all that knowledge and understanding was given out?" I kind of missed out!

Love and friendship
firefly

Well... what reminded me of many Truths I already knew on inner levels are the teachings on the following Website. They have helped me get my own inner connection to the spiritual realm and I am not dependent on them, however, school is in over here, and it appears very few are ready for it... why? I'm not totally clear, I suspect it's the pull of hte matrix...

www.askrealjesus.com

Here start out with questions about SEX ! Maybe that'll get em interested ;)

http://www.askrealjesus.com/P_JesusAnswers/Y_LOVE_SEXUALITY/AAlovesexualitymain.html

[truth and integrity]

Originally posted by lightblue
dear Truth and Integrity
in your understanding, what is it that compromises channeled materials?


It is a very good question, yet it is very difficult to answer it in few sentences. The channeled materials, for example Course in Miracle and Law of One present a very different view of the nature of reality. Are those spiritual beings as confused as we are ? Or maybe it is a deliberate manipulation of our mind to accommodate many who have a different belief system. But it was a beginning. I investigated more such as Kryon, SaLuSa, Matthew messages, Mark corner, Orion transmissions, Wings, and Valerie Donner. Some of them channel dimensional beings while others ETs. The contradictions sent in those messages were beyond comprehension; it can only be compared to the psychotic attack. When confronted by many, all of those” beings” claimed that they were the only one who carries the truth. Do they have the same hierarchy as we do?. Are they dimensional beings, ETs, or maybe manmade technology to program our mind? (In 80s Russians developed technology to influence our dreams) Maybe even it is a more prosaic explanation that they are human beings who have found an easy way to earn money by exploiting our weaknesses. As human beings, we like to enjoy our life, having a dinner with a glass of wine while watching a sunset on Capri. So, we will accept any "saviour" whether it is Jesus, ETs, maybe miraculous ascension, or even a power of our mind and emotions to change a reality so that we can have another glass of wine, without worrying about any responsibility for our spiritual growth. It was a long process for me but finally I got it. :original:

Best regards,