Time to Infuse Terence McKenna into Camelot

[celestine420]

Anyone who is familiar with the work of Terence McKenna and a Project Camelot junkie may have the same nagging thought in the back of their mind as I do.

It is time for the two bodies of work to come together and bring a larger scale understanding to light.

Recent audio releases are laced with information that raises new questions. It is my belief that introducing McKenna's work into the Camelot Equation will expedite the process of reaching the answers.


Let us discuss...

[eleni]

I am a big fan of Terrence. My friend here was a good friend of his.
Even my oldest daughter's have read all his books.

[BROOK]

I love this guy..I even started a thread on him a while back

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16454

Apparently when the forum went down...all of the videos went down..so you'll have to copy and paste them.

[burgundia]

Really worth refereshing memory with his work...

[Anchor]

Here is an introduction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna

"Terence McKenna advocated the exploration of altered states of mind via the ingestion of naturally occurring psychedelic substances. For example, and in particular, as facilitated by the ingestion of high doses of psychedelic mushrooms, and DMT, which he believed was the apotheosis of the psychedelic experience. He spoke of the "jeweled, self-dribbling basketballs" or "self-transforming machine elves" that one encounters in that state."

Self-transforming machine elves ?

A..

[3optic]

Thanks for the opportunity to discuss Mckenna. I find him very relevant these days. Here are some videos for those interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYB0VW5x8fI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwt-LjvLlZQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu6WFr61I-g&feature=related (2012 the non-cataclysmic view)

One can also find archived talks on the Psychedelic Salon podcast found here and on itunes:

http://www.matrixmasters.com/podcasts/

[orthodoxymoron]

I don't advocate dropping out and turning on to mushrooms and elves...but Terrance McKenna usually made a lot of sense. I met Terrance (and Timothy Leary!) at a Whole Life Expo. I talked to McKenna about the imagination...and talked to Leary about Jesus! What a trip! Here is Terrance McKenna on Coast to Coast:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeR6h317ih4

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I have an hawainn strain of Ayahausca vine that came from terrences ethnobotanical garden.

I adore Mckennas voice. Great meter to it. Carl Sagan also had a great voice

[physics envy]

For anyone looking for Terence material they haven't heard yet...I recently discovered the "Psychedelic Salon" podcasts. Lorenzo posts a 1hr+ audio tape of somebody every week or so. There are over 200+ podcasts, and I'd guess about 30% are of Terence. There are several on there that I hadn't heard before.

I think his Timewave Zero theory is a great one to throw into the 2012 mix - it seems to come at it from a completely different angle than most in the UFO world or the spiritualist/lightworker side. For those unfamiliar with it - he proposes that the I Ching is a numerical map of time and he spent several years working out the math behind it. He says nature strives to become more novel, and that time is accelerating to a point of singularity on the 12/21/12 date, when linear time will no longer exist.

I know there is a ban on drug-talk on this board, but if possible I would love to hear if anyone on this board has had ET contact through non-psychedelic means as well as via ayahuasca, dmt, psilocybin, etc. and get their comparisons.

Terence was somewhat anti-"new age" and anti-"UFO", but I love hearing just about anything he had to say.

I agree there needs to be melding of the psychedelic info with the rest here - if that's possible. I've spent a lot of time reading through AstralPulse.com learning about astral projection, and there is a definite issue there with using substances vs. au naturel methods...mainly due to misunderstanding of the drugs I imagine. Hopefully people unfamiliar with them on this board will be open to the information they provide. So far, however, it seems this particular thread is full of choir singers...with nobody to preach to ;-)

[LucidJia]

I know there is a ban on drug-talk on this board, but if possible I would love to hear if anyone on this board has had ET contact through non-psychedelic means as well as via ayahuasca, dmt, psilocybin, etc. and get their comparisons.

Read the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Rick Stassman. This is about a legal study of DMT intake where his subjects come across many unexpected alien contacts. Very intersting book.

Oh yeah, Terrance is amazing, I love listning to him. He has a unique way with words.

[carriblu]

deffinitely check this guy out! its like everything he says is the truth, he is so interesting

[physics envy]

Read the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Rick Stassman. This is about a legal study of DMT intake where his subjects come across many unexpected alien contacts.

Thanks, LucidJia. I am somewhat familiar with the book...haven't read it yet but have heard a few people talk about it in their lectures. Definitely on my ToDo list :-)

I guess I probably shouldn't hijack this thread and should start a new one. In general I'm curious as to how similar the experience is for people on here who can talk to their spirit guides, ArchAngels, and other spirit entites, to talking to the 'elves' and other beings Terence talks about. If I understood correctly the DMT book talks quite a bit about alien contact with reptilians and the like, correct?

[celestine420]

Here are some Terence Videos I've made:

http://www.youtube.com/user/ShamanicTransmission#grid/user/FBC65F0754FFF2EE

Has anyone else seen the parallels between McKenna's work and where the Camelot material is leading toward.

ALSO

McKenna's work on 2012 is a source of HOPE not DOOM... We Cameloters need to address that.

[celestine420]

For anyone looking for Terence material they haven't heard yet...I recently discovered the "Psychedelic Salon" podcasts. ;-)

Freakin Awesome Find!:thumb_yello:

[Derek]

From what Ive heard and seen from Terrence McKenna I really like him. I don't believe hes here at this particular space/time configuration anymore. I read something somewhere about his 2012 work which sounded fascinating. I guess he was able to predict a massive awakening of consciousness that peaks in 2012. He predicted that BEFORE he ever heard anything about 2012.

[haibane]

You beat me to it - plugging in Terrence McKenna is an awesome idea, but the same should be done for Ram Dass, Timothy Leary, and also Alan Watts and perhaps a bunch of other important people : )

[cueballri]

excellent idea loved his stuff so articulate

[celestine420]

You beat me to it - plugging in Terrence McKenna is an awesome idea, but the same should be done for Ram Dass, Timothy Leary, and also Alan Watts and perhaps a bunch of other important people : )

let the campaign begin....

[carriblu]

excellent idea loved his stuff so articulate

your name is so close to mine, they almost use the same letters haha

[vril]

It's been mentioned before in this thread but in case anyone missed the first reference to the topic, those not familiar with his work and its relationship to 2012, a good place to start is his Timewave zero theory.

Here is a quick rundown from a Wikipedia page about the 2012 phenomenon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon#Timewave_zero_and_the_I_Ching

Timewave zero is a numerological formula that purports to calculate the ebb and flow of novelty, defined as increase in the universe's interconnectedness, or organized complexity, over time. According to Terence McKenna, who conceived the idea over several years in the early-mid 1970s while using psilocybin mushrooms and DMT, the universe has a teleological attractor at the end of time that increases interconnectedness, eventually reaching a singularity of infinite complexity in 2012, at which point anything and everything imaginable will occur instantaneously.
McKenna expressed "novelty" in a computer program, which purportedly produces a waveform known as timewave zero or the timewave. Based on McKenna's interpretation of the King Wen sequence of the I Ching, the graph appears to show great periods of novelty corresponding with major shifts in humanity's biological and cultural evolution. He believed the events of any given time are recursively related to the events of other times, and chose the atomic bombing of Hiroshima as the basis for calculating his end date in November 2012. When he later discovered this date's proximity to the end of the 13th b'ak'tun on the Maya calendar, he revised his hypothesis so that the two dates matched.
The first edition of The Invisible Landscape refers to 2012 (as the year, not a specific day) only twice. McKenna originally considered it an incidental observation that his and José Argüelles dates matched, a sign of the end date "being programmed into our unconscious". It was only in 1983, with the publication of Sharer's revised table of date correlations in the 4th edition of Morley's The Ancient Maya, that each became convinced that December 21, 2012 had significant meaning. McKenna subsequently peppered this specific date throughout the second, 1993 edition of The Invisible Landscape

[haibane]

let the campaign begin....
So - do you have a plan? Like starting with his take on the UFO/abduction area? Also what should be considered is that most of McKenna's expertise is a subject that's against this forum's rules ...

[GaiaLove]

So - do you have a plan? Like starting with his take on the UFO/abduction area? Also what should be considered is that most of McKenna's expertise is a subject that's against this forum's rules ...
:mfr_lol:

[GaiaLove]

A lot of what he said resonates with me. The time wave zero theory intrigued me to the point where i wanted to look into its accuracy.
It took me some time but i managed to find his software. It's early 90's DOS based software and it took a lot of technical tweaking to get it to work under XP.
I have yet to try it under Linux, once i do ill post it here too.

My findings?
After several weeks of exploring different time lines i found it inconsistent but still managed to line up here and there with major events.
but even a broken clock is right twice a day eh :wink2:

In any event it's interesting to experiment with.
good luck!
http://parsifal.membrane.com/zero/Xi_1600.gif
Well, who was it? Oscar Wilde, or somebody said, “Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.” Reality is inherently paradoxical.
And the beginning of intellectual maturity is to be able to simultaneously hold two contradictory ideas in your mind at the same time. People ask me if I believe in the 2012 prediction. I don’t believe in anything. My anti-ideological stance makes it very important to believe nothing. I regard Timewave Zero as a fascinating model of a previously unmodelled system – which is human history. The fact that it seems to deliver interesting data… for instance, I predicted a very deep plunge into novelty this past summer. Just as it was at its deepest, the Martian meteorite chock full of fossils arrived – along with a lot of email demanding to know where was the miracle I had predicted. [laughter] I like the word models. What we’re trying to do is build models. By saying the word ‘models’, we make it very clear that this is not ‘Truth’, and that there will be a better model, and we’ll swap the old for the new. So at the moment Timewave Zero is simply a better model of history than the idea that there is no model at all, which is what’s taught in the Academy. The definition of history, if you study history in the Academy, is: it’s a trendlessly fluctuating process. If true, it’s the only trendlessly fluctuating process ever to be observed in this universe. So obviously it’s not true, it’s just that we lack a model. So people say… like, Toynbee’s model was that ‘God is waiting’, somebody else had a ‘Great Man’ model, Marx believed it was all driven by class struggle, and Freud that it was all libido. Well, these are just opinions. Those aren’t theories, those are opinions. A theory has an ability to make predictions, and refine itself, so that’s what I offer with Timewave Zero.



:smoke:

[celestine420]

I think we should focus on 2012 and his novelty theory...

although he came to the conclusions he did with the aid of an "other".

An "other" that can not be openly discussed here.


The distinction between high novelty and doom is a very important part of his message.

[Moxie]

where might we meet elsewhere?
If we cannot discuss things here.

gawd... try as i may, keeping up w/keeing up is a trying time. g'nite

[celestine420]

My findings?
After several weeks of exploring different time lines i found it inconsistent but still managed to line up here and there with major events.
but even a broken clock is right twice a day eh :wink2:

[/INDENT]

I've made this point on other forums but I will reiterate it here:


There is a decent chance that what goes on behind close doors, within secret organizations and societies and in the "black projects"; may be so massive in the novelty scale that it overshadows known events in the fractal confines of the timewave.

In other words, maybe the absence of major events on the timewave graph is evidence that we the public have absolutely no idea of what's really going on in our own time.

[physics envy]

Here is a link to a site that provides a few Timewave Zero calculators based on different versions of the I Ching (as well as Ben Franklin's magic square).

http://www.timewave2012.com/

There may be many others out there as well...this was just one I happened across doing a quick search.

[no caste]

Self-transforming machine elves ?

A..

Wiki: a term coined by the late ethnobotanist, writer and philosopher Terence McKenna to describe the apparent entities that some people claimed to become aware of after having taken tryptamine based psychedelic drugs, especially DMT.[1] References to such encounters can be found in many cultures ranging from shamanic traditions of Native Americans to indigenous Australians and African tribes, as well as among Western users of these substances.[2]

Culture May Be Encoded in DNA
By Lizzie Buchen - May 3, 2009
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/05/songbirdculture/

[no caste]

Brook already added one link here to other pages on the forum. That one is called

The Singularity
09-13-2009, 07:51 AM

More discussions:

Terrence McKenna - Ground Crew Pioneer.
dayzero - 11-17-2008, 07:21 PM
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7678&highlight=terrence+mckenna

Terence Mckenna :: Timewave Zero.
Antaletriangle - 09-13-2008, 11:33 AM
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1723&highlight=Terence+Mckenna

Also a good starting point for newbie's to McKenna is his talk on 'Culture is our Operating System'. That one really opened my eyes to some things!

[WineHippie]

terence is so cool, i have been listening to his presentations
as i fall asleep... i, too, love his voice and humor and speaking
rhythm... i have mentioned his time wave zero/i ching in other
posts, and while most gobble him up with enthusiasm, i have
had conversations with folks who dispute his theory and reference
starfire tor's time shift theory as throwing a major wrench into
the works.... for me, the jury is still out, as it is for so many
hypotheses out there..... for me, it is about tuning into higher
frequencies/vibrations so that i may discern more successfully.....

[carriblu]

I've made this point on other forums but I will reiterate it here:


There is a decent chance that what goes on behind close doors, within secret organizations and societies and in the "black projects"; may be so massive in the novelty scale that it overshadows known events in the fractal confines of the timewave.

In other words, maybe the absence of major events on the timewave graph is evidence that we the public have absolutely no idea of what's really going on in our own time.


I was just listening to terence today and thinking that if he had lived to see this decade, he would have considered it incredibly uneventful compared to what he expected. in the talk i was listening to called "Light of the 3rd Millenium" he figured that by 2004 or 5 eveyone would be hooked into some sort of artificial hyperspace grid through nanotechnology.

but then i thought something really similar to what you're saying, maybe all this novelty is going on behind the scenes. i wish terence was here to talk about all this and i wounder what he would say about this last decade. we really don't seem to be anywhere TOO far ahead of where we were ten years ago but maybe we are and i have missed it or it's happening in some way that we can't pick up on or see.

according to terence, humans took on the flow of novely in our advancement and creation of language and tools and culture and so on, so maybe something else has taken on the flow now, other than our flow of culture, maybe novely is being expressed through technology or art. or yea, the other option is that it is happening behind the scenes like you said which would also explain it.

[5thElement]

[QUOTE=carriblu;218958]I was just listening to terence today and thinking that if he had lived to see this decade, he would have considered it incredibly uneventful compared to what he expected. in the talk i was listening to called "Light of the 3rd Millenium" he figured that by 2004 or 5 eveyone would be hooked into some sort of artificial hyperspace grid through nanotechnology.

http://www.nanotechproject.org/inventories/consumer/browse/categories/

Maybe we are :shocked:

Just not quite in the way he envisioned!

El