Be careful not to be gullible.

[WarriorServant]

Plain and simple: Humans are about as gullible as you can imagine. Very few people have a logical thinking discerning mind. You know why? Because the majority of people are lazy and couldn't care less about anything that's not happening in their own little bubble. All people care about is feeling warm and fuzzy, and will WILLINGLY self delude themselves on a daily basis for the "fix".

So when something comes along that requires thought, "developed" intuition, rational thinking, educated decisions or discernment, most people immediately jump to "paranormal". Oh it's aliens, witches, ghosts, chupacabras, demons, Mary.. *deep breath*.. there's ALWAYS a paranormal explanation. It's "NEVER" explainable -- and that makes for a mass delusion/hoax to be ripe. Don't make me compile a list of proof for how gullible and simple minded people are, because I can -- and it will be 50 pages long.

However, that 50 pages might consist of "Global Warming", " New Age Movement", "Government" or ... drum roll please.. "ROCKETS"!

Yes, yes, I know. No one "here" is gullible. Of course. So lets assume (for argument sake) that I am talking about everyone else (that isn't actually reading this).

Let me tell you something. There are going to be a lot of "signs" in the sky; imminently. The vast majority of people are going to be running around saying: "It's aliens it's aliens!". But I am here today to tell you, it's NOT aliens. Whether aliens exist or not (and what they actually are) is "ANOTHER" matter which wouldn't be heard "here" anyway. But it is going to be SO easy to dupe this populace of this planet, and it is COMING! There are going to be things showing up "all over the earth".

Are you going to be on your knees, looking up in the sky, crying, saying: "Oh they've come to save us, they've come to save uuuus" with a quivering bottom lip? Of course not? ... but really, will you? Because from what I see of humanity (and the same old story is being reverbirated on THIS forum of so called "truth seekers"), and believe me -- I look, that's EXACTLY what's coming!

People today think they're so modern, all because they have Ipods, cable TV and X-Boxes. But just because these things are invented, does that make the user any more "savvy" or "smarter" than someone who lived 200 years ago? I say a big "NO!". What I say is that people have actually become immensely and demonstrably MORE gullible in modern times. I put it forward that the people of 200 years ago were much more intuitive, brighter, more switched on, more aware and plain out more intelligent in almost ALL respects.

This is a wake up call. It's not sugar coated. This post isn't designed to "win friends and influence people". All I want you to do is look in the mirror tonight and say: "What do I really know?", "Am I susceptible to being utterly duped?", "Is my deep and ingrained wish for something more going to cause me to fall to my knees to the first mass experience that can't be explained?".

Sadly, I think most people on this forum (and those in the "Disclosure" movement) are not only going to have the wool pulled over their eyes, but scores of people, all over the globe are about to reach a delusion of such massive proportion, that it's going to be the end of humanity as we know it.

It's written all over the wall. In my genuine, sincere and watchful opinion - what I see here is 95% of people peeing in each others pockets. I don't say that because I just like causing trouble. I SINCERELY mean it. If you don't agree with me, feel free to respond. My aim isn't to be insulting (although I do acknowledge that this post WILL be taken as such by many) -- I just want to give everyone a kick in the pants and say: SNAP OUT OF IT!

:wall:

[greybeard]

Dear Warrior Servant
I appreciate your frustration.
However this is a whistle blowers etc site so it is as it is.
I have posted on your New Age poll thread.

Regards Chris

[WarriorServant]

Dear Warrior Servant
I appreciate your frustration.
However this is a whistle blowers etc site so it is as it is.
I have posted on your New Age poll thread.
Regards Chris

I am perfectly aware that this is a whistle blowers site. I am also perfectly aware that there's so many lies, they FAR outweigh and confuse ANY chance of enlightenment through knowledge and wisdom.

I want people to be more skeptical. I look around here and I just feel shattered. There's SO many important things that are utterly missed. There's NO POSSIBLE WAY I could convey what I know to a forum such as this.

I have tried to share various information with various people for YEARS, and NONE OF IT reaches the light of day. The PRIMARY reason for that is because everyone's too busy peeing in each others pockets. That's the truth.

Let me say it bluntly: FEW people here, or in movements such as whistle blowing or disclosure sincerely want "TRUTH". They want "excitement". That's all most people are after: EXCITEMENT! Fact!

Second to excitement is: "A pat on the back". An: "Oh you're wonderful. You're so smart". What I see is a heap of people that wouldn't know shyte from clay. I don't have anything against simple people, but simple know-all's (spreading lies and stories).. that's another story..

edit ie: Greer is the biggest liar in the whole movement. Fact!

[lindabaker]

Sadly, I think most people on this forum (and those in the "Disclosure" movement) are not only going to have the wool pulled over their eyes, but scores of people, all over the globe are about to reach a delusion of such massive proportion, that it's going to be the end of humanity as we know it. :wall:

Sincerely, if it's going to be the end of humanity, why are you bothering?

[LucidJia]

Can you give us a taste of the real truth we are all so blind to see?

[WarriorServant]

Sincerely, if it's going to be the end of humanity, why are you bothering?

See, why doesn't anyone EVER get my point? Do I really have to answer that? Can't you just think for a few minutes?

[lindabaker]

Rhetorical question my dear

[WarriorServant]

Can you give us a taste of the real truth we are all so blind to see?

Not to sarcasm I wont.

But let me say this. If you see storms (particularly those with twisters, ie: tornados) and if you see high winds, and massive storm fronts -- FULL with lights, TIP: It's NOT "aliens".

Watch the news..

[LucidJia]

Not to sarcasm I wont.

But let me say this. If you see storms (particularly those with twisters, ie: tornados) and if you see high winds, and massive storm fronts -- FULL with lights, TIP: It's NOT "aliens".

Watch the news..

Let me guess...Lightning?

[WarriorServant]

Let me guess...Lightning?

No, I am not referring to lightning.

[LucidJia]

But seriously what is this info that we cant fathom. I am interested, are you talking about some false invasion or hype to come in the future that will catch so many "pocket pissers" of guard?

[Malletzky]

Hey WS...these are indeed some provocative thoughts you just shared with us here :mfr_omg: :thumb_yello:

I rather wouldn't argue with you, as I highly respect your views. But I only respect them...I'm not here to agree or dissagree with you.
This is the way you see the world, the humanity and therefore the members of this forum now and that's fine for me. But...

Well, personaly, I don't care of being guillible.

How comes? It's simple: being guillible means being full of grace of charity and being full of goodness...

Having innocent thoughts means that the one is full of love and compassion...and this means you shouldn't care of being hurt or lied from these people. How about a world full of gullible people ???

If I see the good in you, you will see the good in me.

So yes, it realy isn't about making friends or enemies here...but you should consider that many here on this forum really don't need to be kicked anywhere to awaken.

If you take your time first and try to learn something about some posters here, you will notice that you can still learn something from them. Just as we could learn from you, if you would stopp kicking us to awaken and share your wisdom with us.

with respect
malletzky

[WarriorServant]

I am well versed with many posters here.

[jaby]

Let me tell you something. There are going to be a lot of "signs" in the sky; imminently. The vast majority of people are going to be running around saying: "It's aliens it's aliens!". But I am here today to tell you, it's NOT aliens. Whether aliens exist or not (and what they actually are) is "ANOTHER" matter which wouldn't be heard "here" anyway. But it is going to be SO easy to dupe this populace of this planet, and it is COMING! There are going to be things showing up "all over the earth".


Are you saying that you are an insider, with insider knowledge...or are you speculating?

We can all speculate.


This is a wake up call. It's not sugar coated. This post isn't designed to "win friends and influence people". All I want you to do is look in the mirror tonight and say: "What do I really know?", "Am I susceptible to being utterly duped?", "Is my deep and ingrained wish for something more going to cause me to fall to my knees to the first mass experience that can't be explained?".



LOL.....so this is the bitter pill, eh...?

With all the disinformation circulating it's hard to know who to believe and who to trust...but we can only do our best and try to think critically about the 'big-picture'...also tap into our intuition.

For example....your sentiments might be genuine. You might 'know something' and be trying to warn people...albeit in an arrogant and annoying way.

Or YOU might be contributing to the ocean of disinformation.

These are the kinds of things we have to consider.........:tongue2:

[Steve_A]

Hi WarriorServant,

I tend to agree with you in most apects. I think when the people, as the majority do, throw themselves into life, keeping their head down, concentrating on the mortgage and car payments, it is so easy for them to slip into a very mundane, ignorant lifestyle.

Times gone by, great people were known for their acts, like crossing the Arctic Circle or climbing Everset of navigating to find a new world. These days, the people tend to sit on the couch and give value to those who wear stylish clothes and have the latest cellphone.

I also understand the necessity, concious or not, of people needing to escape from time to time from this lifestyle they live.

I tend to give my opinions drawn from personal experience. I left home at 17 and left the UK at 22 years of age. I travelled all around Europe for 12 years and decided, on the toss of a coin, to come to Brazil, where I've been for the last 16 years or so.

My life has been a little more detailed than just a simple timeplan, and when I explain to people what I've been doing all my life, the general comment has been, "Oh, I wish I could do that". But why don't they? What is to stop them? Conditioning - I remember my mother telling me when I was 19 years old to cut my hair, go back home, get married and buy a house (of course I didn't).

I think there are many who prey on these conditioned people for financial gain, with Ponzi schemes, selling lies, hey, even in the UFO field.

I was interested in a lecture which was given in the UK last month about the UK becoming a police state. It appears that it already has. Why? Well because it could.

In this lecture the guy was taliking about CCTV cameras in the UK. It appears now that there is 1 camera per 14 people in the UK. Does the CCTV prevent crime? Well considering that the only 2% of UK citizens have a criminal record, I suppose there wouldn't be that much need. So the government is setting it's infrastructure for the NWO in the UK and, as peace loving, calm, non criminal people the British are, they allow it.

The government here in the Northeast of Brazil has tried to set up speed cameras, but most of them have been stolen! Imagine in the streets!!

What I'm trying to get at here is that the more complacent societies seem to be the first that will be totally controlled, as there is less opposition and of course less controlling to be done by the authorities (a good training period).

Finally, I totally agree with your 'looking in the mirror' angle. I did this many years ago, before I left the uK - perhaps that was the catalyst for me to get moving - and it does actually work, as I know who I am! It made me keep my eyes and ears more open and become more logical without taking away too much of my personality.

Best regards,

Steve




Plain and simple: Humans are about as gullible as you can imagine. Very few people have a logical thinking discerning mind. You know why? Because the majority of people are lazy and couldn't care less about anything that's not happening in their own little bubble. All people care about is feeling warm and fuzzy, and will WILLINGLY self delude themselves on a daily basis for the "fix".

[burgundia]

So you are just another one who came here to preach..why don't you stand somewhere on the corner and share your views with ordinary people. It would be an act of courage and you would do something good for humanity. The people out there need more guidance...and do not say that I am sarcastic, maybe a bit ironic here...

[WarriorServant]

I tend to agree with you in most apects. I think when the people, as the majority do, throw themselves into life, keeping their head down, concentrating on the mortgage and car payments, it is so easy for them to slip into a very mundane, ignorant lifestyle.


It's just sad.


Times gone by, great people were known for their acts, like crossing the Arctic Circle or climbing Everset of navigating to find a new world. These days, the people tend to sit on the couch and give value to those who wear stylish clothes and have the latest cellphone.


Exactly.


I also understand the necessity, concious or not, of people needing to escape from time to time from this lifestyle they live.

I tend to give my opinions drawn from personal experience. I left home at 17 and left the UK at 22 years of age. I travelled all around Europe for 12 years and decided, on the toss of a coin, to come to Brazil, where I've been for the last 16 years or so.

My life has been a little more detailed than just a simple timeplan, and when I explain to people what I've been doing all my life, the general comment has been, "Oh, I wish I could do that". But why don't they? What is to stop them? Conditioning - I remember my mother telling me when I was 19 years old to cut my hair, go back home, get married and buy a house (of course I didn't).


That just means that from an early age, you couldn't be contained and indoctrinated. That's a good thing. Few people have escaped the world indoctrination program.


I think there are many who prey on these conditioned people for financial gain, with Ponzi schemes, selling lies, hey, even in the UFO field.


This is what irritates me.


I was interested in a lecture which was given in the UK last month about the UK becoming a police state. It appears that it already has. Why? Well because it could.


The whole world is becoming a police state. Many places are already totally under control and dominated. The infrastructure, policies, treaties and indoctrination, is in place. All we need now is one catalyst, and the poor ignorant sad people of this world aren't going to know what hit them. This is just around the corner. Most people know (generally) things aren't quite right, and most people know that governments are shady and crooks -- but really, the world has absolutely NO idea just how bad the evil is and how much destruction and grief it is about to cause.


In this lecture the guy was taliking about CCTV cameras in the UK. It appears now that there is 1 camera per 14 people in the UK. Does the CCTV prevent crime? Well considering that the only 2% of UK citizens have a criminal record, I suppose there wouldn't be that much need. So the government is setting it's infrastructure for the NWO in the UK and, as peace loving, calm, non criminal people the British are, they allow it.


This plan has been running on a global scale for decades now. Cameras are to set a precedent. Very soon it will become the norm that no one should expect privacy of any kind. The entire world will be under surveillance. Between cameras, tracking devices and microchip identification, there will not be a person on earth that the government doesn't know the whereabouts and history of. This is actually true "today" to a major extent, but it will get worse. Unimaginably worse.


The government here in the Northeast of Brazil has tried to set up speed cameras, but most of them have been stolen! Imagine in the streets!!


I'd like to see that in all countries.


What I'm trying to get at here is that the more complacent societies seem to be the first that will be totally controlled, as there is less opposition and of course less controlling to be done by the authorities (a good training period).


Couldn't agree more.


Finally, I totally agree with your 'looking in the mirror' angle. I did this many years ago, before I left the uK - perhaps that was the catalyst for me to get moving - and it does actually work, as I know who I am! It made me keep my eyes and ears more open and become more logical without taking away too much of my personality.


You know what? People don't like to be told to look in the mirror. People don't like to be told anything that they don't like. It doesn't necessarily matter whether something matches someone's "beliefs". Very soon, the foul mouthed, ignorant, "I wont be told" populace is going to have a big shock when the time comes (overnight) where they are treated as if they should feel lucky to be even "breathing". If I didn't love the people of the world so much, I could almost say it's fitting. But the problems and delusion that is at the door now is so horrible, I wouldn't wish it on a cockroach.

So you are just another one who came here to preach..why don't you stand somewhere on the corner and share your views with ordinary people. It would be an act of courage and you would do something good for humanity. The people out there need more guidance...and do not say that I am sarcastic, maybe a bit ironic here...

I am uninterested in your rhetoric.

[greybeard]

There is a big difference between being open minded and gulible.
For example.
Crop circles are a fact.
Lots of theories but I dont profess to know the why and wherfore of them.
So yes I agree there is a lot of asumptions flying around but whats true-- you tell me.
Chris

[WarriorServant]

There is a big difference between being open minded and gulible.
For example.
Crop circles are a fact.
Lots of theories but I dont profess to know the why and wherfore of them.
So yes I agree there is a lot of asumptions flying around but whats true-- you tell me.
Chris

Crop circles are a fact, yes.

Are they made by people with sticks and strings? Wait for me to finish laughing and I'll give you an answer.. no.

However, let me put this to you. Crop circles have become more intricate as technology has progressed. Look at the early crop circles. Then, look at the ones today.

Let me put it to you that if it were "aliens" -- then those aliens had VERY bad technology only decades ago. Think..

[jaby]

It's just sad.
You know what? People don't like to be told to look in the mirror.

Can you please go look in the mirror. Do you see a sheep or a wolf?

Or do you see a warrior or a servant?



If I didn't love the people of the world so much, I could almost say it's fitting. But the problems and delusion that is at the door now is so horrible, I wouldn't wish it on a cockroach.

Yeah...your love for the people of the world shines from your posts. (sarcasm)


:original:

[burgundia]

people wake up! he is drawing all your attention creating post after post like a machine...demanding constant focus on what he writes....

[WarriorServant]

Can you please go look in the mirror. Do you see a sheep or a wolf?
Or do you see a warrior or a servant?
Yeah...your love for the people of the world shines from your posts. (sarcasm)
:original:

Sarcasm. Yes.. does this mean I now have a personal stalker that follows me around on the forum to mock every thread?

But to answer your question (not that you deserve one).

I see a sheep.

I see both a servant and a warrior.

I do love the people of this earth, but that doesn't mean I have to pander to ignorance.

[WarriorServant]

people wake up! he is drawing all your attention creating post after post like a machine...demanding constant focus on what he writes....

I am an intelligent person that can read and type fast.

Please don't despise me for it.

[jaby]

Sarcasm. Yes.. does this mean I now have a personal stalker that follows me around on the forum to mock every thread?

LOL...I think you're being a tad melodramatic.

Your posts are very confrontational.

You have to be prepared to be addressed in the same manner.

I don't think you would want anyone to sugar-coat their replies...would you?

[WarriorServant]

LOL...I think you're being a tad melodramatic.

Your posts are very confrontational.

You have to be prepared to be addressed in the same manner.

I don't think you would want anyone to sugar-coat their replies...would you?

All I expect is intelligence.

I don't expect to be called sir.

I don't demand that anyone like me or what I say.

I want SERIOUS dialog. Not fluffy, sugar coted bedtime stories.

If I can't get it without ^above^ I'll happily move along.

ie: Everything from here (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=197537&postcount=20) to "this post" could easily be deleted. It's useless conversation and I am not going to sit here begging for people to be serious all day. I'm already getting tired of it.

[Jnana]

I think many if not most here are well aware of the plans for tyranny. If you have more detailed information on methods and time frames, by all means share what you know.

Quite often videos are posted here about some plan or another to set up road blocks and start forcing people to wear RFID wrist bands or some such thing, a date is given, people get all worked up, and then nothing happens. There are various ways to view such videos, but one would be to make it seem that the danger you are warning of is not real (invoking the "cry wolf" paradigm). I think the danger is quite real and would appreciate any special insight you might have.

As for leaning towards "paranormal" explanations, once you have experienced "paranormal" phenomena first hand, and many here have, it opens up your view of what is possible. In a way, it makes it much harder to interpret peculiar phenomena because you KNOW it could quite possibly be something out of the range of normal experience. This is not quite the same as being gullible, but it certainly behooves us all to hone our powers of discernment. When something big and strange happens that everyone wants to believe is the start of something big, it makes it that much harder. As you have no doubt observed, we are primed and ready to go here - big changes are desired. Tyranny is not one of them, but it may be a stage we have to pass through to really wake up the world. It would be much better if it could be done another way.

[Sarahmay]

All I expect is intelligence.

I don't expect to be called sir.

I don't demand that anyone like me or what I say.

I want SERIOUS dialog. Not fluffy, sugar coted bedtime stories.

If I can't get it without ^above^ I'll happily move along.

ie: Everything from here (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=197537&postcount=20) to "this post" could easily be deleted. It's useless conversation and I am not going to sit here begging for people to be serious all day. I'm already getting tired of it.

I humbly suggest that perhaps this is not the forum for you.

[WarriorServant]

I humbly suggest that perhaps this is not the forum for you.


I humbly suggest that you keep your opinions of what is right for me to yourself.

[jaby]

edit ie: Greer is the biggest liar in the whole movement. Fact!


Ok...you say this is a fact. What evidence do you have to back up this sweeping statement?

This thread is about being careful not to be gullible.

So we must put a statement like this to the test...because divide and rule is the oldest trick in the book. Don't you agree?

It would be gullible to just take what you say as truth.

And THAT'S a fact.

[WarriorServant]

I think many if not most here are well aware of the plans for tyranny. If you have more detailed information on methods and time frames, by all means share what you know.


Yes, this is true - but the problem is that very few people know the source of the problem or how to defend themselves from it. Running around with shotguns and burying boxes of food isn't going to help.


Quite often videos are posted here about some plan or another to set up road blocks and start forcing people to wear RFID wrist bands or some such thing, a date is given, people get all worked up, and then nothing happens. There are various ways to view such videos, but one would be to make it seem that the danger you are warning of is not real (invoking the "cry wolf" paradigm). I think the danger is quite real and would appreciate any special insight you might have.


This is true. People cry wold all day every day. You know why? Because the vast majority of people want to be "right". The vast majority of people want to be the next person that can VALIDLY say: "See! See! I told you! (somersault) I told you! I told you! It happened! What I said happened! Hahaha! It happened!"


As for leaning towards "paranormal" explanations, once you have experienced "paranormal" phenomena first hand, and many here have, it opens up your view of what is possible.


I am one such person.


In a way, it makes it much harder to interpret peculiar phenomena because you KNOW it could quite possibly be something out of the range of normal experience.


I understand and agree -- which is WHY those who are aware that there is more to physical reality need to be VERY careful about what they accept, where they get their information and whether or not that information is TRUE!


This is not quite the same as being gullible, but it certainly behooves us all to hone our powers of discernment. When something big and strange happens that everyone wants to believe is the start of something big, it makes it that much harder.


The problem is, that most people really have little or no discernment, because they believe they can get it all sorted for themselves, or channel so called "friends" (which DO exist by the way - but they are NOT to be listened to).


As you have no doubt observed, we are primed and ready to go here - big changes are desired. Tyranny is not one of them, but it may be a stage we have to pass through to really wake up the world. It would be much better if it could be done another way.

Yes, I know big changes are desired -- and that is the exact sentiment that will be the detriment of most.

[WarriorServant]

Ok...you say this is a fact. What evidence do you have to back up this sweeping statement?

This thread is about being careful not to be gullible.

So we must put a statement like this to the test...because divide and rule is the oldest trick in the book. Don't you agree?

It would be gullible to just take what you say as truth.

And THAT'S a fact.

I have no means to prove such a statement to you.

So what I ask is that you keep it in mind.

[Steven]

Hello Warrior. Thank you for your thread. We have people who needs to touch, see and taste before they will believe anything and there are people ready to believe anything that makes sens.

One of the issue with gullible people is that they have no reference. Their perspective is different at each analyze. They do not analyze under the light of a verified and true reference point. There is no anchor anywhere in their point of view, so it is easy to accept a false idea right away.

Perspective is often more important than information itself and this is where I see most people are having issue with when we see fringe information being interpreted as fantasy or the opposite...

Namaste, Steven

[Jnana]

Yes, this is true - but the problem is that very few people know the source of the problem or how to defend themselves from it. Running around with shotguns and burying boxes of food isn't going to help.


Okay, so what WILL help? What is the source of the problem and how should people prepare to defend themselves from it?


There's NO POSSIBLE WAY I could convey what I know to a forum such as this.


Why?


Greer is the biggest liar in the whole movement. Fact!


I disagree. Please explain how you came to this conclusion.

[whitefluffy]

dear servantwarrior,
you sound very angry at the world. hard not to be i agree. if people would be deceived, well then theres not much either you or anyone else can do about it. if you think about it theres not much anyone can prove or make real for anyone else unless they believe it to be so.
this forum is a place for people with similar interests to express opinions and ask questions, which you are doing with gusto, just try not to be too aggressive or youll end up with a big headache from all that headbanging.
take care,
p.s. simple answer to everything
god is love:wub2:

[Stargazer1965]

Hello Warrior. Thank you for your thread. We have people who needs to touch, see and taste before they will believe anything and there are people ready to believe anything that makes sens.

One of the issue with gullible people is that they have no reference. Their perspective is different at each analyze. They do not analyze under the light of a verified and true reference point. There is no anchor anywhere in their point of view, so it is easy to accept a false idea right away.

Perspective is often more important than information itself and this is where I see most people are having issue with when we see fringe information being interpreted as fantasy or the opposite...

Namaste, Steven
Great post Steven...good thread WS...

I suffer as you do.....but what can I do...Shake someone till they wake up or their neck snaps....:original:

Out in the "real" world ...intelligence ain't the IN thing.

The lower your IQ seems to be ...the more cool you are.

We elect officials that "look" the part and speak the speak ...and they don't have a brain in their head.

We don't elect the greatest teachers of justice and law...the truly "smart" folks.

If they speak out ...the PTBs silence them and they live in a shack in the ghetto if they aren't sleeping with the fishes.

Someone slipped us into a rigged poker game....the brilliant thought of a perceived freedom tyranny

The bars you can't see make a great prison.

The only tech they truly have given us make us work harder for THEM and entertain us when we are waiting to serve them again.

Sitting in the corner with a shiny rock waiting for master to scream for " MORE WINE dog!!!!

I played in the game then someone whispered in my ear...Dude it's fixed...get out!!!

Then I became a "sleep walker" still asleep but up moving around looking like I'm not asleep.

A lot of folks in here suffer sleep walking...awake but wandering aimless.

Now...not being an abductee...never seen an alien...bigfoot....nessie....can't project myself astrally....can't meditate....not a brilliant mind of our time.

Just flying by my pants from an internal compass and no point of reference on the horizon.

But through all that....I feel like I'm growing

Everything that I feel or believe might be wrong...but I'm still growing

What I perceive as reality becomes MY reality...a little womb to grow

Peace all

[Sarahmay]

I humbly suggest that you keep your opinions of what is right for me to yourself.

Ditto, dude (since you suggested to me my life was in imminent danger on another thread). Yikes, you open up the forum and this is what you get...

[BROOK]

Now that the flood gate had been opened, the trolls are among us. Serving to distract.

So I have to ask, as you are so informed of the content of this forum. What is it you believe in? All I have seen it what you do not believe in. And what is your true purpose here?

There are many talented light workers here, and intuitives. As well as insiders. You have more or less called us all quacks. Delusional people...waiting for the rug to get pulled out from under us.
The Admin Gareth closed your first thread, as it was insulting. Now you have come straight out and done the deed. So pre tell ...all of the years of abduction experience that some of us have had here. And you now come out and tell us it's all a delusion?

As this forum is for the purpose of disclosure...what do you have to disclose? What great words of wisdom do you plan to share here?
Because all I'm seeing here is a troll, who want to get some attention.
Correct me if that is not the case....but tell us what you have to share. And stop telling those of us that have been through the ringer with some of this stuff that we are delusional...as I wish that was only the case!

[Stargazer1965]

Now that the flood gate had been opened, the trolls are among us. Serving to distract.

So I have to ask, as you are so informed of the content of this forum. What is it you believe in? All I have seen it what you do not believe in. And what is your true purpose here?

There are many talented light workers here, and intuitives. As well as insiders. You have more or less called us all quacks. Delusional people...waiting for the rug to get pulled out from under us.
The Admin Gareth closed your first thread, as it was insulting. Now you have come straight out and done the deed. So pre tell ...all of the years of abduction experience that some of us have had here. And you now come out and tell us it's all a delusion?

As this forum is for the purpose of disclosure...what do you have to disclose? What great words of wisdom do you plan to share here?
Because all I'm seeing here is a troll, who want to get some attention.
Correct me if that is not the case....but tell us what you have to share. And stop telling those of us that have been through the ringer with some of this stuff that we are delusional...as I wish that was only the case!


Okay WS...Brook calls your hand...Are you ALL IN???

[Majorion]

WarriorServant, to be honest you come off as a guy/gal whose really either trying to debunk something very specific (in which case, my question, what is it exactly?), or you're so overtly skeptical to the point you feel others here are in deep need of being pushed in that same direction. Am I correct in assuming this is your stance?

[BROOK]

As I have read your words so far, and have read the energy of them...I already have my answer.

Oh yeah...another delusion..reading energy...hahaha :lmfao:

we are all quack now aren't we? DOH :mfr_omg:

[WarriorServant]

Okay, so what WILL help? What is the source of the problem and how should people prepare to defend themselves from it?


The source of the problem is something which would take many threads and much discussion to convey - and I would not be given the chance here (and I am sure of that). So, I am merely trying to help people out in a lesser way, by at LEAST pointing them in the right direction, away from delusion and evil.



Why?

To put it simply, it is because what the Bible states is true (and I could put a good case for that, given the chance). However, the world has become, for the most part (as the Bible predicts) a God mocking, Jesus hating, immoral, egotistical, self loving swamp of pride.

I do understand why. It is because of "religion" - which is a cancer on the souls of men and turns more people away from the truth than any atheist ever could.

Therefore, I COULD "begin" to explain what I know and how I know it. But I know full well, that I would not get more than several responses into my explanations and knowledge (much of which comes with actual experience), without attracting a hoard of satanic New Ager's which would (of course) mock everything I say until every thread or comment I made became so full with mockery and laugher, that any point I tried to make would not come through.

So these days, I tend to show up on a forum -- spit out as much truth as possible before I am lynched and then when I am no longer able to post because of the constant interruptions, I simply move along and try to share what I know with the next forum.

I would need months to explain what I know (n detail). I would need open minds and sincerity. However, the vast majority of people are incapable of behaving in such a manner, and the moment I'd mention "The Bible" (even if a Biblical reference was a foundational side note, and not my whole point), I would be labeled "religious". Of course, I am not religious, and I cannot stand religion, but the ignorant people of this world seem to hold fast to the idea that the Bible is a religion and that God is incapable of having it written for us (assuming that any person who holds such a view actually acknowledges God and isn't wrapped up in a fantasy of "higher self", "channeling" and "aliens").

Already on this forum, several snide remarks have been made about "preaching" and "Jesus" to my few of my threads and responses -- which I have so far ignored. They are of course, pokes, to see if I will response with a Biblical quote -- and I know what happens at that point. I know full well. The hoard shows up. But it just goes to show, that it is not possible for a forum that is loaded with New Age Movement disciples to learn the actual truth behind things.

I have been on other forums before. I was lynched at the utterance of "Jesus". However, even though I mentioned the Bible and Jesus (because it is absolutely necessary for me to convey the "rest" of what I have come to learn), my point was to show people the true reality be hind actual events and circumstances of the world.

I have never, to this point, been able to full explain my life story, what I know and how I came to know without being either lynched, banned, losing my temper (which I don't do anymore, but I used to), or simply being unable to post ANYTHING because a dozen or two of the forum members decided that they would follow every post and turn it into a circus. I am not personally upset by this -- only that I cannot get my experiences out to people.

I understand that I do not have much time left on this forum (after this post), before I am lynched. I will then, of course, move to the next forum and try again.

I would advise, that any forum looking for truth (earnestly looking for truth) set a policy that gang bashing people who derive their message from the Bible, be extended the same courtesy of those who preach the religion of channeling, tarot cards and aliens -- without mockery.

This is because there are many people on this earth who "have the truth: or at the very least -- a nice portion of it (literally from God), and have been shown the truth with both visions and personal experiences, along with a true gift of discernment according to God's word -- and it would not hurt anyone to at least let such people speak without being abused.

On any forum full of New Age people, any topic is allowed. Everything is tolerated (you name it) - except the views of anyone who mentions "Jesus". That says something right there. It is sad, because there are a LOT of knowledgeable people on tis earth, who are very intelligent, very wise and have experienced the most phenomenal things that want to share them, but feel as if they have to fit in with the New Agers to do so. However, I will not and cannot.

I can handle the odd joke and the odd snide remark. Don't get me wrong. I don't go around handing out flatteries either, if I don't agree with something. There is such a thing as "being frank" and I am not adverse to it. It's not that I am thin skinned. I am actually quite patient, but when the mockery gets to a point where conversation is literally hijacked (purposefully) and turned into a festival of laugher and one-upmanship to see who can be the most insulting, the message (or the attempt at delivering it) gets lost. That's the sad part. That's the frustrating part. I have a LOT to say, but I can never get around to actually saying it. If I just "spit it out" off the bat, I can't even get started before the threads become a circus.

I can even handle constant questioning (even though it's distracting), like people who want to test me on why I believe what I believe. However, any "Jesus" thread on a forum full of New Ager's (such as this forum) WILL be pulled down to the ground like a pride of lions on a deer.

Yes, I will combat New Age statements. I will offer my view that it's garbage (if I think a statement is). But I leave it at that. I don't hang around the thread and follow the person around day in and day out with 12 of my friends, doing everything I can for a laugh -- and to eventually have that person leave. That's just sad. I see it ALL OVER the Internet, and only ever happens to anyone who loves God -- which are usually genuine, honest and caring people who are sincerely trying to convey information, but then get all upset and flustered and wind up getting upset.

If I were running a large forum, I one of my policies would be that "debate" and "argument" is allowed, but group bashings and going "on and on" to abuse the statement of one person (no matter WHAT they were) would be strictly not allowed, because -- again: No one knows WHAT that person might "know", who they "are", where they got their information from (aside from prayer and the Bible), and what they may be trying to lead to.

Hint: It's not always: YOU'RE GOING TO HELL SINNER! (I would never say that anyway).

Let me say this: No one on this forum will find truth if they hate God. That's the truth. What people need to understand is that although the "church" (which is not a building -- it is "God's people") has fallen away (as the Bible said it would), and that the vast majority of people who say they are Christian are not, there ARE "some" people in this world who are not religious, but do have a relationship with the most high, and can understand the spiritual messages of both the Bible and spiritual origins of things that are happening in the world - and want to share it. But it takes time, sincerity and patience.

[Sarahmay]

A zealot with too much time on their hands.

[BROOK]

Should have guess it! Now it comes out :naughty:

[WarriorServant]

..and I rest my case.

I guess no one wants to hear what I have to say.

I wont beg for an audience.

[BROOK]

And just where was Jesus when some of or our children were abducted, it the most terror filled times of their lives? Huh?

[BROOK]

..and I rest my case.

I guess no one wants to hear what I have to say.

I wont beg for an audience.

Oh no...don't leave...did I say something wrong?

[Oliver]

Well, WarriorServant, as I understood it was not about the Bible why Avalonians "attacked" you, it was about you being agressive and offensive to them.

Your general advice was: Be careful not to be gullible.

Thank you very much - we are.

Now, I suggest you to appologize your self, and then you can discuss whatever you want, including the Bible, without thinking you should be lynched.

Love&Respect

[BROOK]

When someone puts out that kind of information...and cuts and runs..they are not prepared to answer some questions. And boy do I have some for him...hmmm

[Jnana]

WarriorServant,

You have found that your current approach yields consistent undesirable results. I humbly suggest that a different approach might yield different, possibly better, results. Perhaps a more compassionate approach? Perhaps less of "I'm right and you all are gullible idiots!" If you have special insights to share, special experience, or special knowledge, this is the most understanding group around. But you have to allow others room to find their own way in their own time. Best of luck to you.

[Humble Janitor]

Sadly, I think most people on this forum (and those in the "Disclosure" movement) are not only going to have the wool pulled over their eyes, but scores of people, all over the globe are about to reach a delusion of such massive proportion, that it's going to be the end of humanity as we know it.

It's written all over the wall. In my genuine, sincere and watchful opinion - what I see here is 95% of people peeing in each others pockets. I don't say that because I just like causing trouble. I SINCERELY mean it. If you don't agree with me, feel free to respond. My aim isn't to be insulting (although I do acknowledge that this post WILL be taken as such by many) -- I just want to give everyone a kick in the pants and say: SNAP OUT OF IT!

:wall:

That's a pretty negative outlook right there.

No one can ever claim to be more "enlightened" than another. However, I think that most of us have taken the necessary baby steps to become acquainted with a world that goes beyond materialistic desires and simplistic means/ends.

Please don't allow your frustrations with people in general to overcome your ability to see good in them. We've all been there, at least I know I have. As much as people can annoy each other sometimes, it's worth it to try and forgive their shortcomings and let it go. Everyone makes mistakes.

[greybeard]

Crop circles are a fact, yes.

Are they made by people with sticks and strings? Wait for me to finish laughing and I'll give you an answer.. no.

However, let me put this to you. Crop circles have become more intricate as technology has progressed. Look at the early crop circles. Then, look at the ones today.

Let me put it to you that if it were "aliens" -- then those aliens had VERY bad technology only decades ago. Think..

Hi Warrior Servant
Yes that occured to me way back.

You seem to make assumptions and as you probably know Assume makes an ass out of you and me.
I think it would be helpful in this thread if you actually spelt out what you are trying to impart.
I am not in dissagreement with that which you have observed regarding UFOs et all. I agrree that people are looking out with them selves.

I would like you to spell out in black and white where you are coming from and share this with us.

Regards Chris

[WarriorServant]

WarriorServant,

You have found that your current approach yields consistent undesirable results. I humbly suggest that a different approach might yield different, possibly better, results. Perhaps a more compassionate approach? Perhaps less of "I'm right and you all are gullible idiots!" If you have special insights to share, special experience, or special knowledge, this is the most understanding group around. But you have to allow others room to find their own way in their own time. Best of luck to you.

You're right. I am yet to find an approach that works better.

But, please consider:

"You're brainwashed by a satanic ideology."
"You're susceptible to a satanic delusion."
"Aliens aren't real. They're demons."
"Crop circles are man made."
"Greer is a liar."
"Many whistle blowers are Godless (and subject to delusion)"
"You wont see the light of day, according to truth, while you hate God."
"Abduction experiences are demonic"

..usually doesn't go down very well right off the bat (around New Age types), and I am promptly called an idiot and am lynched before I get much further. And there's usually no other way around saying those things. They're plain facts. I have a lot more information too.

At least during my short stay on this forum, I was able to get people to consider SOME of what I have said, before I revealed my source.

And for all of you that say "Oh we're all understanding, we will accept your views if you're just nice"..

Listen: I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.

I know the spirit of this forum.

If anyone is interested in truth contact me.

If anyone was upset by what I said (and my approach), then that shows me that you "associated YOURSELF" with those that I wanted to give a kick in the pants. In which case, I meant EVERY word I said, and again: SNAP OUT OF IT!

[BROOK]

Yep...we're all filled with the devil and demons :naughty:

And the light workers here, have no idea what God is...we are a sorry bunch now aren't we?

You words sir serve you and "your" God. But the God I know serves the whole of mankind. In fact the Universe, and every creation in it. Including the aliens.

There is a spiritual war out there...rest assured of that. And to lump things in a tidy little package, and use it to serve an idiology..is service to that idea. Not service to God.

[iainl140285]

Welcome back M1* :mfr_lol::naughty:

[Humble Janitor]

The "God" I know exists inside of me and it exists inside of each of us.

[FIIISH]

WarriorServant,

Your posts remind me a great deal of another poster who
visited us recently, namely m1*

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=9026

This person had a very similar tone and approach to his interactions here,
and ultimately stopped posting due to the resulting conflict.

It doesn't have to be this way.

Sincerely,

FIIISH

EDIT:

Welcome back M1*

I see I am not the only one with this impression.

[BROOK]

I rest my case...every time I respond to his message..he cuts and runs....not prepared at all to deal with what we have to offer here in the way of response...and guess what...he might learn a thing or two, if he stuck around and was prepared to deal with our response.

That tells me a whole lot more. :naughty:

[Majorion]

If anyone is interested in truth contact me.

You see, this is the problem.

There is no - One Truth - that somebody or a certain minority possess and others don't.

There is no - I'm right and everyone else is wrong unless they believe what I believe -

You outlined this:

But, please consider:

"You're brainwashed by a satanic ideology."
"You're susceptible to a satanic delusion."
"Aliens aren't real. They're demons."
"Crop circles are man made."
"Greer is a liar."
"Most whistleblowers are Godless"
"You wont see the light of day, according to truth, while you hate God."
"Abduction experiences are demonic"

In reality, those are all sets of assumptions, based solely on your perspectives, which are apparently validated by a religion or a religious text like the Bible.

Outlining those is also generalizing everyone here with those characteristics, and I doubt any two people have the same exact beliefs, whether it be about just those specific things or other stuff too.

There is nothing wrong with someone being religious, likewise there is nothing wrong with new age beliefs. You have to respect that though.

This is probably the main reason why many people have abandoned the organized world religions. Because of this constantly reinforced dictatorship type ideology. Either you're with you us or against us. Its black or its white. You're good or you're evil. You worship God or you worship Satan. ETs are demons, "all because my book tells me so".

Where are the shades of gray, where is the balancing act?

Titling the thread "be careful not be gullible" is a suggestion that people here are gullible simply because they do not agree with you or your beliefs. And that is insulting to others and very closed minded.

Best regards,

[Stargazer1965]

Welcome back M1* :mfr_lol::naughty:

Yeah...that's what I was thinking exactly...The flaming sword avenger back for round 2....:nono:

I can't play right now WS....busy deluding myself.

[BROOK]

Welcome back M1* :mfr_lol::naughty:

Seems that way now doesn't it :naughty:

[greybeard]

The "God" I know exists inside of me and it exists inside of each of us.

That is it in a nut shell.
Jesus said much the same.


There is no where where God is not. The totality, all of it.
To my mind, respect all but be devoted only to God.

I suspect that if Jesus was here today he would be horrified that a religion was founded in his name. He pointed to God all of the time. It was all about God and the message Jesus brought to us. He dident say worship me. He showed the way. He did not claim specialness and in fact said that we could do more even than him.
He said " Of my self I do nothing it is the Father within who is the doer" not an exact quote perhaps.

Anyway that is just my view point I respect all others.

Chris

[BROOK]

So guys...while he's gone...I want to invite you all to a satanic party at my place.....I'm inviting some reptilians too...should be loads of fun :lmao:

:roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1:

[WarriorServant]

Majorion,

In reality, those are all sets of assumptions, based solely on your perspectives, which are apparently validated by a religion or a religious text like the Bible.


They are based on "experience" -- REAL LIFE experience. I have had CONTACT and ASSOCIATIONS since I was a toddler! But unfortunately, I do not have the appropriate USB adaptor to plug into my HEAD to show you on a 700 inch SCREEN!


Outlining those is also generalizing everyone here with those characteristics, and I doubt any two people have the same exact beliefs, whether it be about just those specific things or other stuff too.


I agree. I have not and would never lump people together. People tend to read something that they don't like and associate themselves with it. Please find ONE instance of me saying: "You're all possessed" or "You're all this or that". You WILL not. I make a general statement which is designed for those who WISH to associate with it. How is it my fault that so many people associate with it?


There is nothing wrong with someone being religious, likewise there is nothing wrong with new age beliefs. You have to respect that though.


I am not religious and I despise being called religious. I AM NOT RELIGIOUS! However, I do believe the Bible is the word of God and I have extracted much spiritual knowledge from it (including that Jesus is Lord). It is naive and ignorant to call someone who reads the Bible "religious" - for you do not know what I believe and what I do not. You do not know what I got from the Bible, how I got it, or which experiences it was associated with. You do not know WHICH parts of what I know came from DIRECT experience and interaction. You do not know what I have SEEN! You hear "Jesus" and then: I am "RELIGIOUS" (ARGH!).. and no one will hear another word!


This is probably the main reason why many people have abandoned the organized world religions. Because of this constantly reinforced dictatorship type ideology. Either you're with you us or against us. Its black or its white. You're good or you're evil. You worship God or you worship Satan. ETs are demons, "all because my book tells me so".


Religion, religion, religion - BLAH BLAH BLAH... *I want to scream myself to sleep* - If someone reads the Bible it does {{{NOT MAKE THEM RELIGIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!}}}


Where are the shades of gray, where is the balancing act?


I DON'T KNOW - YOU'RE TELLING THE STORY! I'M NOT RELIGIOUS!


Titling the thread "be careful not be gullible" is a suggestion that people here are gullible simply because they do not agree with you or your beliefs. And that is insulting to others.


I gave a warning to those who might relate to the warning. I did not lump anyone together. However, I AM ADAMANT that "many" people on this forum are heading STRAIGHT towards a brick wall at a fraction less then the speed of light! I am trying to turn people away from IDIOCY! I know "idiocy" is relative, but if you would read what I wrote, keeping in mind that I "generalized" (which allows people to either associate themselves with the warning or not), you will find that the message is for this: WHO WANT TO HEAR IT.

I will say one last time! DO NOT BE GULLIBLE! THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO BECOME A VERY EVIL AND DANGEROUS PLACE! I AM TRYING TO WARN YOU -- (Edited - not really necessary - Steve - What part of Aus are you from?)!

[BROOK]

I AM ADAMANT that "many" people on this forum are heading STRAIGHT towards a brick wall


OUCH :wall:

[WarriorServant]

That is it in a nut shell.
Jesus said much the same.


There is no where where God is not. The totality, all of it.
To my mind, respect all but be devoted only to God.

I suspect that if Jesus was here today he would be horrified that a religion was founded in his name. He pointed to God all of the time. It was all about God and the message Jesus brought to us. He dident say worship me. He showed the way. He did not claim specialness and in fact said that we could do more even than him.
He said " Of my self I do nothing it is the Father within who is the doer" not an exact quote perhaps.

Anyway that is just my view point I respect all others.

Chris

I agree with you entirely and 100%

[BROOK]

Yep...we're all filled with the devil and demons :naughty:

And the light workers here, have no idea what God is...we are a sorry bunch now aren't we?

You words sir serve you and "your" God. But the God I know serves the whole of mankind. In fact the Universe, and every creation in it. Including the aliens.

There is a spiritual war out there...rest assured of that. And to lump things in a tidy little package, and use it to serve an idiology..is service to that idea. Not service to God.

Just in case you missed it the first time...I restate my stance where you are concerned and your opinions

[BROOK]

I will say one last time! DO NOT BE GULLIBLE! THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO BECOME A VERY EVIL AND DANGEROUS PLACE! I AM TRYING TO WARN YOU -- YOU NONGS!

What the heck is a 'NONG"? :shocked:

I think he just insulted us again.....

[WarriorServant]

Just in case you missed it the first time...I restate my stance where you are concerned and your opinions

Brook, in all honesty - I couldn't care less WHAT your opinion is. Go back and look at your responses. You couldn't care less. You're just siting here filling in time for yourself with jokes and one liners. I am being serious here, so if you can't find something constructive to say, I'm not interested. Ok, you don't agree with me. Then offer something INTELLIGENT as a response instead of acting like a clown. Sheesh...

[no caste]

I will say one last time! DO NOT BE GULLIBLE! THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO BECOME A VERY EVIL AND DANGEROUS PLACE! I AM TRYING TO WARN YOU -- YOU NONGS!

Well, thank you, Mr Advice Column :original: I am a Nong!! (for argument's sake, or maybe I am - nice word! i looked it up*)

Please, do continue with more descriptions your interior landscape.
__________________________________________________ _

*NONG: In Australian slang, nong is used as a pretty mild and/or endearing insult. a bit of a twit, or idiot. nothing too mean or horrid is meant by calling someone a nong.

[burgundia]

Welcome back M1* :mfr_lol::naughty:

yeah, he belongs to the same "soul" group....:roll1: I felt that from the very beginning...

[BROOK]

Well, thank you, Mr Advice Column :original: I am a Nong!! (for argument's sake, or maybe I am - nice word! i looked it up*)

Please, do continue with more descriptions your interior landscape.
__________________________________________________ _

*NONG: In Australian slang, nong is used as a pretty mild and/or endearing insult. a bit of a twit, or idiot. nothing too mean or horrid is meant by calling someone a nong.

Yep...he's really winning us over with his "non religion" :wink2:

[Humble Janitor]

You might want to learn how to comment without insulting everyone in this thread, Mr. Warriyah.

[WarriorServant]

Hahaha -- hahaha -- make fun of the "religious guy" :roll1:

He said "Jesus" -- Oooooh!

Hahaha -- hahaha -- make fun of the "religious guy" :roll1:

He said "Jesus" -- Oooooh!

Hahaha -- hahaha -- make fun of the "religious guy" :roll1:

He said "Jesus" -- Oooooh!

:trumpet: :roll1: :trumpet: :roll1:

[no caste]

Please, do continue with more descriptions your interior landscape.

WarriorServant - AND DON'T FORGET SPACE TIME COORDINATES !!

[WarriorServant]

Anyway, like I said.

If anyone is actually interested in truth, contact me.

(Note: I didn't say I know the whole truth and that I am the sole holder of truth that knows better than anyone, before that gets said again).

I am very dismayed with this forum.

I'm not going to sit here entertaining clowns.

What a sad place..

[burgundia]

You are really pathetic....your arrogance didn't save you....:lmfao:

[Sarahmay]

I humbly suggest that perhaps this is not the forum for you.

I repeat.

[Humble Janitor]

Anyway, like I said.

If anyone is actually interested in truth, contact me.

(Note: I didn't say I know the whole truth and that I am the sole holder of truth that knows better than anyone, before that gets said again).

I am very dismayed with this forum.

I'm not going to sit here entertaining clowns.

What a sad place..

Your idea of the truth is the KJV.

It's just a book to me.

I call it as I see...

[waitinginthewings]

So guys...while he's gone...I want to invite you all to a satanic party at my place.....I'm inviting some reptilians too...should be loads of fun :lmao:

:roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1:

Oh darn Brook I have nothing to wear.......does this mean I have to go shopping:naughty:

[Sarahmay]

So guys...while he's gone...I want to invite you all to a satanic party at my place.....I'm inviting some reptilians too...should be loads of fun :lmao:

:roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1:

Can I bring my higher self?

[Jnana]

WarriorServant,

There are many here, including myself, who have first hand experience as well, first hand experience that directly conflict with some of the things on your list. Experiences are always subject to interpretation, and there is a danger there, but if you don't respect my experiences how can you expect me to respect yours? A civil discussion of such things can lead to greater understanding all around, but not if you insist that you are the only one who knows the truth. You most assuredly are not. Because you come with what appears to be a closed mind, there is no room for the discussion you say you desire. Once you overcome that obstacle, you may eventually find there is considerable validity to concepts you currently scoff at. Don't get mad at us. We're trying to turn things around too! We're on the same side!

[Majorion]

They are based on "experience" -- REAL LIFE experience. I have had CONTACT and ASSOCIATIONS since I was a toddler! But unfortunately, I do not have the appropriate USB adaptor to plug into my HEAD to show you on a 700 inch SCREEN!
What makes you think you're the only one?

I'm sure there are a few or some here who have also had genuinely strange experiences in their life to talk about.

But I haven't seen any of them act so aggressively with whatever message they try to present.
I make a general statement which is designed for those who WISH to associate with it. How is it my fault that so many people associate with it?
Again, more importantly, what is wrong if somebody believes the things you outlined earlier? - For example, you said "ETs are demons", correct? What if I believe the contrary, what if myself or any of us us believe something else on that matter?
I am not religious and I despise being called religious. I AM NOT RELIGIOUS! However, I do believe the Bible is the word of God and I have extracted much spiritual knowledge from it (including that Jesus is Lord).
I'm sorry, but simply judging from everything you have wrote, you are classic religious or neo religious. I don't at all mean it in an insulting manner, definitely not, again because there's nothing wrong with that. Why deny your defining trait on this board when anyone (even a passing lurker) can see that you are clearly passionate about your beliefs which relate to the Christian religion and the Bible?
I will say one last time! DO NOT BE GULLIBLE! THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO BECOME A VERY EVIL AND DANGEROUS PLACE! I AM TRYING TO WARN YOU -- YOU NONGS!
I am also sorry if you might be under the misguided impression that the world isn't already a predominantly evil and dangerous place.

Hence, in this sense, there is nothing really to warn us about.

Kind regards,

[greybeard]

Which ever version of the Bible is used . it will say.
Judge not. Judgment is mine sayth the Lord.

Respect to all who contribute.

Chris

[Bill Ryan]

I humbly suggest that perhaps this is not the forum for you.

I agree. I dropped in here briefly after receiving a complaint. I also suggest that this is not the forum for you. Please consider moving on, as you have said that you might well do.

I'm not saying this wearing a moderator hat. It's a personal request. I've read your posts, and I don't think you belong here. I wish you well and I hope that you may find a suitable audience for your strong ideas.

What's causing offense is not what you're saying: I agree with some of your points. But it's about energy. It's the way you are saying it and the effect that has on others. Do consider this when you go to your next forum to contribute.

[no caste]

Yeah...that's what I was thinking exactly...The flaming sword avenger back for round 2....:nono:

I can't play right now WS....busy deluding myself.

Me too, back again. Anyway, maybe third time lucky. I think he {oops, talking behind his back} may have a lot of great stuff in his head, but such a d*ck.

A song or 2 then - for M1* and/or WS:

once -say it to me now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPwXsQe87e4

Try sticking around. I like you. Just stop with the roll-y Jesus laughs.

(Once) - When your mind's made up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MgPqYKG2y4&NR=1

[BROOK]

He keeps running away! Must be the Devil in us :naughty:

As I stated before..this is a forum for disclosure....and enlightenment...we do not need him here to tell us who we are and what we are here for.

I do not serve anything but Source...that is God in his terms...under his idiology...so sue me. :tongue2:

[Stargazer1965]

Thanks Bill:original:

[Seashore]

Plain and simple: Humans are about as gullible as you can imagine. Very few people have a logical thinking discerning mind. You know why? Because the majority of people are lazy and couldn't care less about anything that's not happening in their own little bubble. All people care about is feeling warm and fuzzy, and will WILLINGLY self delude themselves on a daily basis for the "fix".

I have not read this thread yet. I'm going to try to read the whole thread, if I can keep up with it...

I just wanted to go ahead and post that I agree with the above statement. And I think it is a big problem - especially people being in their own bubble - the rest of the world is of little interest to most. :mfr_omg:

[WarriorServant]

I agree. I dropped in here briefly after receiving a complaint. I also suggest that this is not the forum for you. Please consider moving on, as you have said that you might well do.

I'm not saying this wearing a moderator hat. It's a personal request. I've read your posts, and I don't think you belong here. I wish you well and I hope that you may find a suitable audience for your strong ideas.

What's causing offense is not what you're saying: I agree with some of your points. But it's about energy. It's the way you are saying it and the effect that has on others. Do consider this when you go to your next forum to contribute.

Hi Bill,

Sorry - I was just trying to get people's attention so that they listen.

Will you invite me to stay if I lose the theatrics?

[Seashore]

Let me say it bluntly: FEW people here, or in movements such as whistle blowing or disclosure sincerely want "TRUTH". They want "excitement". That's all most people are after: EXCITEMENT! Fact!

Second to excitement is: "A pat on the back". An: "Oh you're wonderful. You're so smart".

Please forgive me for commenting again before reading the whole thread.

I agree with the above statements also, and often feel the same frustration.

I feel that Camelot's mission is a serious mission and so should Avalon's mission be a serious one, as well.

[BROOK]

My question is..why do you want to stay? It has been made clear that you think we are all "full of the demon" And delusional. This is not a place for you to run us into the ground with your opinion that we are "playing" witht The demons and devel.

Do you think you need to be here to convert us? Tell us that our experiences are null and void..and only "your" God will save us?

We are a pretty sharp bunch for the most part. I reccomend you actually read some of the threads in the spirituality section before you "JUDGE" us.

[Phtha]

Great thread. I have not read through the comments yet, but I agree with your opening post, I've seen this happen far to often myself and I also think that this is a key issue that has a serious potential at bringing an end to humanity as you say.

I choose to remain optimistic if only because I know that the masses really do mean well and want peace, even if they think that means war. So if the truth hits them like a ten ton hammer they will do the right thing at the right time. This is what I see.

It all comes down to authority again. People take a belief and turn it into a Truth which is not but a lie. Only a knowing is a Truth.

Thanks for the post.

[WarriorServant]

My question is..why do you want to stay? It has been made clear that you think we are all "full of the demon" And delusional. This is not a place for you to run us into the ground with your opinion that we are "playing" witht The demons and devel.

I never said you are all full of demons and delusional.


Do you think you need to be here to convert us? Tell us that our experiences are null and void..and only "your" God will save us?

I am not religious. What am I going to convert you to?


We are a pretty sharp bunch for the most part. I reccomend you actually read some of the threads in the spirituality section before you "JUDGE" us.

I have not judged anyone on this forum.

[WarriorServant]

Great thread. I have not read through the comments yet, but I agree with your opening post, I've seen this happen far to often myself and I also think that this is a key issue that has a serious potential at bringing an end to humanity as you say.

I choose to remain optimistic if only because I know that the masses really do mean well and want peace, even if they think that means war. So if the truth hits them like a ten ton hammer they will do the right thing at the right time. This is what I see.

It all comes down to authority again. People take a belief and turn it into a Truth which is not but a lie. Only a knowing is a Truth.

Thanks for the post.

My biggest point, out of everything, is that I want people to start "being real", and stop treating everything like a big joke.

[BROOK]

You better go back and read what you've written here...

You statements that all of what we are working on here is involving demons...states such.

You are trying to convert us...by telling us such things.

And you have certainly JUDGED us.

What was that word...Nords?

[Stargazer1965]

My biggest point, out of everything, is that I want people to start "being real", and stop treating everything like a big joke.

I laugh when I need to...serious at times.

Your energy signature is not right for your audience.....leave it at that.

You should have waded in and maybe not did a triple gainer belly flop.

Some of our chins are just above the water line.

Peace

[Sarahmay]

My biggest point, out of everything, is that I want people to start "being real", and stop treating everything like a big joke.

Life is just a dream, sweetheart.

[WarriorServant]

You better go back and read what you've written here...

You statements that all of what we are working on here is involving demons...states such.

You are trying to convert us...by telling us such things.

And you have certainly JUDGED us.

What was that word...Nords?

Then I suggest you go back and reanalyze what I wrote, because you've obviously misunderstood me.

The word was "nong".

I apologise for calling you nongs - but I was slightly frustrated that no one likes to be told that Satan actually exists and that he is affecting people all over the planet.

[BROOK]

Then I suggest you go back and reanalyze what I wrote, because you've obviously misunderstood me.

The word was "nong".

I apologise for calling you nongs - but I was slightly frustrated that no one likes to be told that Satan actually exists and that he is affecting people all over the planet.

Thanks for the correction..and what does that mean? Not a judgement now is it?

[WarriorServant]

Thanks for the correction..and what does that mean? Not a judgement now is it?

A nong is a word that could be used in front of a 5 year old child.

It is the strongest word I have used on this forum.

It basically means: A wally. Or A twit.

In all fairness, I was called "pathetic".

So I think it's:

Forum 5
WarriorServant 1

I'm happy to leave it at that.

[THE eXchanger]

you do it, to be it
you be it, to do it

it is as simple, as that

it does NOT pay to critise others
NOR, fight with others

in fact, anyone who chooses to fight
with another, in my humble grand-dads opinion
then, he viewed them both as fools

there is no doubt,
you can fling a lot of mud,
however, if you are throwing mud at dirt,
it isn't going to show up - as, anything
other than a total waste of your time

we are here, to help one another - it is as simple as that

it is a discovery of truth

my truth, might not be your truth

but, until i change, my belief, it will NOT be a truth

when you get, to the end of your life

it won't be who you fought with, that matters

it will b, who / and, what you cared enough to share

and, how you shared it

hopefully with a high heart/and, a high mind engaged

did you know, right now
there are a lot of people - who once, were gulliable

they believed something for truth

and, they researched it,

only to find out, their original truth

was NOT the truth,
and, they found something more, NOT
something less

the best, anyone can do

is be the 'best' change you can be
in any pivot of the now

and, keep caring, eXchanging, and, sharing

sometimes, if you ask yourself,

is it kind, does it add value, will it make another discover more

will my comments, make another feel better/or, help them
create solutions

it is then, and, only then, we share 'nuggets' that are 'gems'

as bill, so wisely says--
attitude, often determines the altitude you rise too

if you have ever climbed a mountain,
you will certainly know that, as, the wisest of truths

thank you bill
for all you do

always remember, 'the gulliable' do 'awaken' in their time

love/susan
the eXchanger

[Steven]

...Perspective is often more important than information itself and this is where I see most people are having issue with when we see fringe information being interpreted as fantasy or the opposite...

Namaste, Steven

But having an exclusive perspective that is immovable like a giant rock and prevent yourself from changing your point of view is sadly fatal also. See once again it's the "balance in all things" which is the reference point. Having enough strong verified and experiential perspective but being open to observe other point of view and perspective. So you can change... And adapt.

Namaste, Steven

[Lionhawk]

Lionhawk put his rubber snow boots on with full rain gear.........Puts another log on the fire..........Covers everything up in plastic...............

Where does one start here? How about some basic things? We always seem to forget them just in general.

1st hand experience vs second hand experience

What is first hand experience for one, will be second hand experience for another when he/she hears about it.

The bible or any form of media one is exposed to is second hand material. Right off the bat. Everything that is posted in this forum or anywhere you are reading media off a screen is second hand. It is also speculative. So one is always being exposed to the form of believing.

Knowing is first hand and is based in experience.
Believing is second hand and is based in someone's experience outside of yourself. To believe is also to be gullible.

Now it is another thing to engage second hand experience by going out and proving it out into the first hand. All second hand information must be proved out to see if it is what it is in terms of value.

If Jesus was written about and you don't prove he is real, then I have to ask what right does anyone have to say anything about him? What gives you the right to speak for him in the second hand? I have asked this question several times here. No one answers that question maybe for the fear of what others might think. This isn't an issue about fear and less importantly about someone dealing out one of their ego cards. It's a simple question. Have you ever met Jesus? Have you ever met God of this Universe? If you haven't, then I have to ask is there a reason why you haven't? Because what I am asking is provable. God didn't write the bible. Not the real one. And the God termed as Jehovah is not the real God of this Universe. That is provable to.

The bottom line is that there is not just one path to God. For as many as the Creator has created, there are that many paths. If you BELIEVE in second hand information, you may as well brand the word "gullible" right on your forehead.

I think in general many want to believe because they have hope in their hearts. That's fine but be wise and seek validation as to what you choose to subscribe to. Make it first hand for yourself. Operate in a field of knowing instead of a field of believing. One has full integrity and the other does not.

Also many here in this forum have spent a good piece of their lives researching things out for themselves because they want to know and since maybe the circumstance is such that they don't know where to find or how to find those answers, they seek out others in hope that someone has had a similar experience that they have experienced. That's actually a good thing as they are in search for some inner truth, so that they don't look in the mirror and say, "I'm a nutcase," because this is something I haven't a clue about. Also some people here have put in much more time in this weird field more so than Steven Greer. But he had the resources to do something constructive in the way of getting the truth out. So I applaud that. We all should on some level. To say he is a liar to discredit him is the oldest card trick in the Darkside's handbook of cards. He has proof that UFOs exist. Validation!

So if you are a Warrior, you're going to have to show me something with some integrity, otherwise you are just creating delusions of what a true warrior is all about, and I can't just let that slide by. All I am hearing is frustration from your BELIEFS, and what you have stated so far isn't exactly the truth of my path. I have 49 years of experiences in this field of the unknown and the more I go the more I understand that I don't know jack or very little.

The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few! This forum is like a garden and there are many caretakers of this garden of souls. We got some weeds to and all a weed is by definition is an undesirable flower, but maybe we can assist in finding a place for that weed to where it comes into it's own potential and blossoms in the way the Creator had intended.

Can I take my rain suit off? It's hot in here with this fire going? :thumb_yello:

[WarriorServant]

it does NOT pay to critise others
NOR, fight with others

Informing people that Satan exists and that he is influencing ALL of us, including "myself" is not a criticizm of others -- and I am sorry that people around here think that it is. I stand by what I have said.

I am also sorry that people think I am "fighting". I am merely reiterating what I have said. If you go back through the thread, I am POSITIVE you will see that many people have been MUCH harsher, towards me "personally: that I have with my general statements (that are open for people to associate themselves with - or not). It just so happens that many people are associating "THEMSELVES" with what I have stated.


we are here, to help one another - it is as simple as that

it is a discovery of truth

my truth, might not be your truth


Truth is truth. We can't have different truths. That is a fact! Such a declaration is dangerous, and is is a New Age philosophy. "Perception" might be the word you're looking for. We can have different "perceptions", but we cannot have different truths.


sometimes, if you ask yourself,

is it kind, does it add value, will it make another discover more

will my comments, make another feel better/or, help them
create solutions


I do not only make comments that make people feel warm and fuzzy. (That's for the New Ager's). What I say is rooted in being "serious" and that's not always pretty. It's not always nice to hear.


always remember, 'the gulliable' do 'awaken' in their time


And I wish to help them along - whether they like me for it or not.

[Samarkis]

Hello Warriorservant.....

I would like to discuss some things with you via private messaging......
You are very new to our forum and I would be willing to discuss certain issues about enlightenment and knowing Godsource........

We at Avalon understand that there are many walks of life and we sincerely honor many paths........what the other members are reacting to is that you are somehow not showing due respect to them..........

It is my opinion that this is based on misunderstandings and I would be willing to share some info and insights with you as well as hear some from you......

In Light!

[WarriorServant]

Lionhawk put his rubber snow boots on with full rain gear.........Puts another log on the fire..........Covers everything up in plastic...............

Where does one start here? How about some basic things? We always seem to forget them just in general.

1st hand experience vs second hand experience

What is first hand experience for one, will be second hand experience for another when he/she hears about it.

The bible or any form of media one is exposed to is second hand material. Right off the bat. Everything that is posted in this forum or anywhere you are reading media off a screen is second hand. It is also speculative. So one is always being exposed to the form of believing.

Knowing is first hand and is based in experience.
Believing is second hand and is based in someone's experience outside of yourself. To believe is also to be gullible.

Now it is another thing to engage second hand experience by going out and proving it out into the first hand. All second hand information must be proved out to see if it is what it is in terms of value.

If Jesus was written about and you don't prove he is real, then I have to ask what right does anyone have to say anything about him? What gives you the right to speak for him in the second hand? I have asked this question several times here. No one answers that question maybe for the fear of what others might think. This isn't an issue about fear and less importantly about someone dealing out one of their ego cards. It's a simple question. Have you ever met Jesus? Have you ever met God of this Universe? If you haven't, then I have to ask is there a reason why you haven't? Because what I am asking is provable. God didn't write the bible. Not the real one. And the God termed as Jehovah is not the real God of this Universe. That is provable to.

The bottom line is that there is not just one path to God. For as many as the Creator has created, there are that many paths. If you BELIEVE in second hand information, you may as well brand the word "gullible" right on your forehead.

I think in general many want to believe because they have hope in their hearts. That's fine but be wise and seek validation as to what you choose to subscribe to. Make it first hand for yourself. Operate in a field of knowing instead of a field of believing. One has full integrity and the other does not.

Also many here in this forum have spent a good piece of their lives researching things out for themselves because they want to know and since maybe the circumstance is such that they don't know where to find or how to find those answers, they seek out others in hope that someone has had a similar experience that they have experienced. That's actually a good thing as they are in search for some inner truth, so that they don't look in the mirror and say, "I'm a nutcase," because this is something I haven't a clue about. Also some people here have put in much more time in this weird field more so than Steven Greer. But he had the resources to do something constructive in the way of getting the truth out. So I applaud that. We all should on some level. To say he is a liar to discredit him is the oldest card trick in the Darkside's handbook of cards. He has proof that UFOs exist. Validation!

So if you are a Warrior, you're going to have to show me something with some integrity, otherwise you are just creating delusions of what a true warrior is all about, and I can't just let that slide by. All I am hearing is frustration from your BELIEFS, and what you have stated so far isn't exactly the truth of my path. I have 49 years of experiences in this field of the unknown and the more I go the more I understand that I don't know jack or very little.

The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few! This forum is like a garden and there are many caretakers of this garden of souls. We got some weeds to and all a weed is by definition is an undesirable flower, but maybe we can assist in finding a place for that weed to where it comes into it's own potential and blossoms in the way the Creator had intended.

Can I take my rain suit off? It's hot in here with this fire going? :thumb_yello:



I did not come here to make anyone believe what the Bible says. So this whole post is moot.

Firstly I am NOT CAPABLE of that. It's not POSSIBLE to MAKE someone believe something. Secondly, even if I were capable, I would not WANT to. The ONLY reference that I have made about the Bible here is that I "read it" and have gained much spiritual knowledge about it.

It seems that every time Jesus or God is mentioned, people TOTALLY miss the rest of the post, any other point and get STRAIGHT on the "we have to prove to this guy that we don't believe the Bible" bandwagon. Which is accompanied by a LOT of jest, sarcasm, mockery and laughter -- which is distracting.

What good is that? What's the whole point? I read the Bible. So what? Does that mean any information I may be able to share should be discarded, and instead, every thread I make should be taken to "whether God is real or not" court?

I did NOT come here to force anyone to believe anything in the Bible. It is not ME that has a hangup about the Bible. The whole problem here is that I can't get my experiences and knowledge out (AND I REFUSE TO DO SO) until people get over the fact that I read the Bible and declare Jesus is Lord.

That way, once we've got all that settled, I can become a part of the forum and hopefully everyone will just put their "Jesus" hangups aside for long enough for me to actually say something important. I am NOT about to begin saying ANYTHING of substance until that happens.

That is why I posted my BIG LONG post all about what happens when I mention God and Jesus on New Age forums. I know this isn't "intended" to be a New Age forum, but let me tell you - it IS one! ..and I know FULL well that I WILL NOT BE ALLOWED to say ANYTHING of ANY SUBSTANCE, because if I mention "Jesus", "God", "Satan", "Bible" the thread WILL take a spiral path to the circus of oblivion at that point.

I am MERELY trying to get it all done and settled so that we can all move on.


I would REALLY like a rule passed on this forum, where if someone mentions "Jesus" that the CONTEXT of the thread be noticed (AND ADHERED TO) and not the fact that Jesus was mentioned in it. ONLY THEN would I be able to finally make some useful posts, and I do NOT think such a rule is much to ask or any burden on the forum whatsoever.


For example, I don't go into "channeler" threads which are about "aliens and spacecraft" and then start whining about how channeling is will get someone POSSESSED. The ONLY time I will say that is 1). In my OWN thread, or 2). In context. I would NOT hijack their thread. I will let the person say what they're trying to say in peace, without trying to hijack it.

What I am saying is that this forum does NOT allow anyone to provide a greater picture, if "Jesus" is mentioned, because the FIRST response is usually some big rebuttal about religion, the crusades, or something about "bible thumping" or "preaching" and the SUBSTANCE and POINT of the thread is IGNORED!

[no caste]

Satan actually exists and that he is affecting people all over the planet.

WS - orthodoxymoron has been saying that on the forum for over a year, in great detail and with thoroughness IMO.

orthodoxymoron threads
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15663&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads

Have you read his posts? It might be interesting to know what you make of them.

[Malletzky]

Hey WS, as I said, if you would just take some time do some research, you would know that one of the best threads we've had here about Jesus was the one created by Egg (who is not here any more, I guess).

No one shouted at him, but we all had a big pleasure to contribute on that thread.

So I'm sorry when I hear you say things like you'll be not allowed to talk about Jesus here, it is not true...

Here's the link to that thread...you might want to read...

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9826&highlight=jesus

By the way, I'm more then willing to hear what you have to say about Jesus...if it's a firsthand expirience...in an apropriate manner...

with :wub2::wub2: and respect
malletzky

[WarriorServant]

While my being welcome here is being considered, all I wish to ask for now is that a rule be made where if someone mentions makes a thread, that people respond to the thread and not go completely off topic with accusations of being religious, or debates about the validity of the Bible. I am not asking much. It would be greatly beneficial for the forum.

[WarriorServant]

Hey WS, as I said, if you would just take some time do some research, you would know that one of the best threads we've had here about Jesus was the one created by Egg (who is not here any more, I guess).

No one shouted at him, but we all had a big pleasure to contribute on that thread.

So I'm sorry when I hear you say things like you'll be not allowed to talk about Jesus here, it is not true...

Here's the link to that thread...you might want to read...

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9826&highlight=jesus

By the way, I'm more then willing to hear what you have to say about Jesus...if it's a firsthand expirience...in an apropriate manner...

with :wub2::wub2: and respect
malletzky

It is true. Do you want me to go and get 50 examples?

Why doesn't anyone get my point? Is it on purpose? I am getting tired here.

I guess I can only reiterate what I have already said many times, but say it yet another way.

I am here to discuss matters of the world, my experiences, what I have come to understand, etc.. However, my only wish is to be able to do so without the first responses being:

"Oh a bible basher"

"You're in the wrong place if you want to preach"

etc etc..

All I ask is that what ever the thread was about, that the thread is allowed to continue, without people trying to turn it into a religious debate.

I am well aware of what is written on this forum. I am well aware of its history.

[THE eXchanger]

well; truth is
that is, what it is
the truth

and, sometimes, people do carry the threads of truth
and, sometimes, they do NOT carry the threads of truth

so - my truth, may NOT be your truth - but, it may be the truth
just as,
your truth, maybe NOT be my truth - but, it may be the truth

a belief - is NOT always the real truth

it is always subject to change

even truth changes - in an instant

what was truth a second ago, might no longer be truth

got to separate facts/from fictions before adopting 'the truth'
for the real truth

truth always is, just truth

love/susan
the eXchanger

[Lionhawk]

You wanted to get real so I got real. And in doing so you never really answered the questions that I asked. Instead you have projected what you think everyone is going to do to you. Or what they might say. Projection of victim hood and if you apply the laws of attraction to this, you should maybe consider that a hard head can be a great spiritual tool. I use mine all the time. Because that is what you have attracted to yourself. Like Bill said about the energy you are projecting out. Maybe you ought to look in that mirror and take your own advice and see what it is you're projecting out there. Controlled confusion tactics don't work very well here.

When you say everyone or everybody as in they think the same way, is a delusion. Reread your own posts or have someone read them back to you as you will see or feel that energy you are projecting. And I am also here to tell you that you will find others more advanced than you are and that you will also find that you are more advanced than others. I'm not saying we aren't made of the same stuff but we all have a variety of circumstances that have limited our experiences or enhanced them. If your experience is all that or your knowledge is all that, I have to question that because if it was you would have the balls to state it from a place of knowing and integrity, without all of your insecure statements.

You have made some good points as Bill gave you credit for as well as some others. But when you blame, accuse, and stereotype with simplistic judgments that are based in presumptions of yourself, then you are going to be told differently that this is not the case. A true warrior doesn't play this game that you are playing. It only insults other warriors. You must have a lot of knives and daggers in your auric field because all I see when I do a scan is a something a kin to a porcupine. Maybe you're better off having your own blog page. Sort it out for yourself as you are still here. Good luck with that!

We already have to many rules here. Do we want more? :thumbdown:

Namaste'

[WarriorServant]

I am not interested at this moment in time about who said what to who and who's causing trouble and how to avoid it etc.

Again. I am well aware of the history of this forum. I am not new. My concerns are valid and justified.

Again, I ask this: That there be a rule put in place that if people make any posts that are {{{{NOT}}}} about religion (and mine rarely are), but if something that is "perceived" as being religious is stated to support what ever belief I have, that the thread is answered "directly", and in context, and that religious debates are not instigated, because it's distracting.

The MOMENT someone acknowledges what I am asking, I will fall off my chair and say: "Yes! Yes! Someone GETS ME!".

Anyone can reply that "I am allowed to talk about Jesus", but that's beside the whole point. I didn't COME here to make threads about Jesus. I didn't COME here to write about the Bible. I came here to participate in the forum with my views and understandings about the world.

If I make a post about what happened to me when I was "x" years old and that at some point it correlates with something I read in the Bible, I do NOT want the first response to be about how the Bible is just a storybook and that I should be reading about Buddha. All I want is for people to read my thread IN CONTEXT and reply IN CONTEXT, about the childhood experience.

Even if (for argument sake) there is NO HANGUP around here, towards peole who make Biblical references - there can then be NO harm on making a rule that threads are to be kept in context and that responses should never be made that IGNORE the thread and incite religious dissidence, because MY POSTS WILL CAUSE THOSE RESPONSES due to the nature of my knowledge and understanding.

I CANNOT post my serious and full views on this forum unless I am afforded fair and just accommodation. I am not saying anyone should agree with me. But I find it HIGHLY distracting that if I "mention" the Bible, a big speculation starts about "religion" and I have to start flapping my arms, telling people that I am not religious so that the thread can continue. Meanwhile 3 pages have passed and it has NOTHING to do with my original post.

What I am asking fro is fair and will be beneficial for the forum.

[Lionhawk]

Well what you can do is post a disclaimer in your posts like in the signature so that everyone will have something to fall back on when they have a difference of opinion. If you are that adamant about having a rule set up on the forum, all you are doing is making much more work for the Mods, and opening the door to more rules being added to a choking set already. Why not just take responsibility for your own postings instead of pushing that responsibility onto everyone else or the Mods. And if it isn't what you think "everybody" will do, then don't put it out there in the first place. Apply some consideration. I mean when I look at this thread all I see is that you want to project your beliefs and it's your highway or else. It's all about what you think and if anyone thinks differently, you want a rule set up. I think the best thing to do here is for me to detach from this thread as it only serves the needs of the few creating headaches for the many. :thumbdown:

Someone said something about getting real. I concur!

[WarriorServant]

Well what you can do is post a disclaimer in your posts like in the signature so that everyone will have something to fall back on when they have a difference of opinion. If you are that adamant about having a rule set up on the forum, all you are doing is making much more work for the Mods, and opening the door to more rules being added to a choking set already. Why not just take responsibility for your own postings instead of pushing that responsibility onto everyone else or the Mods. And if it isn't what you think "everybody" will do, then don't put it out there in the first place. Apply some consideration. I mean when I look at this thread all I see is that you want to project your beliefs and it's your highway or else. It's all about what you think and if anyone thinks differently, you want a rule set up. I think the best thing to do here is for me to detach from this thread as it only serves the needs of the few creating headaches for the many. :thumbdown:

Someone said something about getting real. I concur!

What I wish to do is convey what I perceive and believe about the world and reality. Isn't that what everyone is doing here? Isn't that the whole point of the forum?

There's no need to make what I am asking sound so difficult. In essence, what I am asking is that threads be kept on topic. This thread currently has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the original post.

I understand that a thread can branch and that new information comes up, etc.. but to purposefully derail a thread, just because it mentions something about the Bible, is unconstructive.

I think that I am going to have to go and get all the instances where religion has been injected into threads that were not about religion, merely because the readers perceived it as being religion and decided tat they would simply dismiss the whole thread and start moaning about how they don't want to be preached to.

A lort of my life experience is spiritual and the Bible plays a large role on both the way I view the world AND the experiences that I ahve had in life. I know that I will not be afforded the opportunity to participate in this forum is such a rule is not made.

All I ask is that I be free to post "honest", "sincere" and "thoughtful" posts without someone insisting that I wish to project and enforce my view onto everyone else. It causes problems. It derails topics. It serves no purpose. It's just a jab. It can be done away with.

I look at this thread all I see is that you want to project your beliefs and it's your highway or else

Unnecessary -- and close to what I am talking about. I could go and say that same thing in ANYONE'S thread. It would only derail it and start causing squabbles. I am posting my views. If people disagree I will NOT complain. I absolutely will not. I will simply respond and reiterate why I believe what I do. If I think the other person is wrong, I will of course state that. They are also free to state what they think about my statement. What I don't want is:

"Oh another Bible basher" :wall:

"hehehehehehehe" :roll1:

"Yeah Maybe he wants us to go to church!" :lmao:

"You are PATHETIC!" :mad3:

"You're in the wrong place preacher!" :sneaky2:

etc etc etc..

Basically, what I am asking for is more intelligent conversation and the structure in place to accommodate it.

What I am asking should go for ALL posts for ALL people with ALL views and ALL ideas - no matter WHERE they get them from, or WHY they believe it.

What I am asking for is a good general rule for everyone in all threads. It is not only one I ask for, but it is one that I have personally "adhered to myself" in my own conduct.

[Seashore]

"You're brainwashed by a satanic ideology."
"You're susceptible to a satanic delusion."
"Aliens aren't real. They're demons."
"Crop circles are man made."
"Greer is a liar."
"Many whistle blowers are Godless (and subject to delusion)"
"You wont see the light of day, according to truth, while you hate God."
"Abduction experiences are demonic"



WarriorServant,

I would like to suggest that you elaborate on these one at a time.

[burgundia]

Stop showing yourself as a victim here now. We are not guilty and nobody is going to pity you. And I do not believe you want to say anything constructive here. it is all whitewash. Your purpose is completely different. If you really wanted to say something constructive and wanted an honest response, you would have done it a long time ago...

[Lionhawk]

I gave you a solution and others have offered as well. Then put something into action and stop groveling about it as I heard you already state this. I get what you're saying, but you don't seem to be listening either. Put it in your signature and while you're at it don't stretch it across like GOING TO FAST does so we don't have to do any unnecessary scrolling. Because then I am only to ignore what I consider a high maintenance issue and my time is more valuable.

Personally I see nothing wrong with using anything as a reference. I'm not religious either and have referenced the bible but I do not speak for Jesus Christ and it is just insulting when people speak as thou they are speaking for these Ascended Masters. That includes Budda and every other guru, especially when they have never met them. Talk about second hand over second hand. I also could care less what people believe because I am more interested in what you "KNOW," and not what you believe because your beliefs are not proven. Beliefs is what promotes the word Gullible. Isn't that what this thread is about? I know you won't answer this and I won't waste anymore time here in this thread but someone I know asked me to make an effort on your behalf. I tried. Let's see what you do with it. :thumb_yello:

[WarriorServant]

WarriorServant,

I would like to suggest that you elaborate on these one at a time.

For those that didn't get my point (which seems to be practically everyone)..

The current consensus seems to revolve around the perception that the list was to all people on this forum and that is what I was calling everyone (I think conveniently). At least a whole heap of people in this thread seem to believe I have called them all demon possessed devil worshipers (which I never did). Firstly, I would never do that. It was not implied or intended. It was a list of things which "may" be said by me as a response to someone, should the case arise.

The reason I provided the list, was to demonstrate why people might get upset with a "possible" future response of mine (and take it down the religion path). But instead of taking that on board for what it was, they decided to complain about the list itself and start defending themselves against it.

This is what I MAY respond with (which MAY cause) people to pull a thread into a big religious tangent, even if the original thread had nothing to do with religion (and believe me that happens!).

For example:

If someone said:

"I believe that the sun is to be worshiped and that's where all our spiritual energy comes from"

My response might be:

"You're brainwashed by a satanic ideology."

If someone said:

"I channel aliens every Friday - I hear them in my head"

My response might be:

"You're susceptible to a satanic delusion."

If someone said:

"Aliens are coming in 2012 to save humanity. We should trust them."

My response might be:

"Aliens aren't real. They're demons."

If someone said:

"Aliens are making crop circles."

My response might be:

"Crop circles are man made."

If someone said:

"Support Dr Greer. Send him money!"

My response might be:

"Greer is a liar."

If someone said:

"Those whistle blowers DEFINITELY can be trusted because they're obviously connected to higher self!"

My response might be:

"Many whistle blowers are Godless (and subject to delusion)"

If someone said:

"Where was God when (insert tragedy here) happened? HUH?"

My response might be:

"You wont see the light of day, according to truth, while you hate God."

If someone said:

"I want to get abducted, I can't wait!"

My response might be:

"Abduction experiences are demonic"

---

As for the other two posts above, I am just going to ignore them.

[waitinginthewings]

Warriorservant: I have read all of this thread, & it seems no progress has been made, in terms of you expressing that which you came here to say. I have no personal judgement on your experiences or your reading the Bible nor that you believe in Jesus......so I think its time that you now share what you feel a strong need to tell us. The platform is all yours...........we will not comment until you have completed your story, all of it.

Please note that we are all here to help each other, we are all struggling with our own paths & what's happening in the world.....& if you are struggling too, then you are part of this family, so feel free to open up & let your heart have the release it needs.

[WarriorServant]

Warriorservant: I have read all of this thread, & it seems no progress has been made, in terms of you expressing that which you came here to say. I have no personal judgement on your experiences or your reading the Bible nor that you believe in Jesus......so I think its time that you now share what you feel a strong need to tell us. The platform is all yours...........we will not comment until you have completed your story, all of it.

Please note that we are all here to help each other, we are all struggling with our own paths & what's happening in the world.....& if you are struggling too, then you are part of this family, so feel free to open up & let your heart have the release it needs.

I am just waiting to see what the result of this thread is.

I am not going to begin posting things of a personal nature, or any information that I have, if I am to become the forum punching bag each time I mention something Biblical. I realize that people have stated that my concerns are unfounded, but I highly disagree.

[waitinginthewings]

I am just waiting to see what the result of this thread is.

I am not going to begin posting things of a personal nature, or any information that I have, if I am to become the forum punching bag each time I mention something Biblical. I realize that people have stated that my concerns are unfounded, but I highly disagree.

WarriorServant.....the waters are calm now....& the platform is yours, please go ahead and start your story....in fairness to us all, you have engaged our attention & we are respecting this space for you to speak your truth. btw...I do agree with some of your points in your first post.

[Seashore]

If someone said:

"Aliens are coming in 2012 to save humanity. We should trust them."

My response might be:

"Aliens aren't real. They're demons."



Putting 2012 aside, do you believe that 100% of aliens are demons? You're saying they are all non-physical?

[WarriorServant]

WarriorServant.....the waters are calm now....& the platform is yours, please go ahead and start your story....in fairness to us all, you have engaged our attention & we are respecting this space for you to speak your truth. btw...I do agree with some of your points in your first post.


I will, but what I have to say will take months. Bill has asked me to leave. I am not going to get into anything until Bill asks me not to leave.

Additionally, I am unable to post anything of substance unless my request that I be allowed to do so without forum members turning each thread into a religions debate full of God haters. I simply cannot get all that I have to say "out" in such an environment. I just wish people would understand and agree -- and we call all hug and move on.

[WarriorServant]

Putting 2012 aside, do you believe that 100% of aliens are demons? You're saying they are all non-physical?

Well, the answer isn't as simple as that. I'd have to go into it. But basically, I don't believe that Arknook from Alpha Centauri is visiting in a tin bucket.

The term "alien" needs to be analyzed also. An alien simply means unknown from here. So in essence, I suppose anything could be called an alien. Angels, devils, demons, entities, you name it.

But the whole point is that I believe (through personal experience) that these entities (what ever they may be) are evil, and since the Biblical term for these evil creatures are "demons" I use the term demon. I could also simply call them evil creatures, or even evil aliens. Problem is, no one ever stopped to ask me what I mean. They just say:

"You said demon! Don't come around here Bible bashing!"

edit I also know for a fact that if at least they are not physical, they most certainly have access to spiritual arena. That is also from personal experience which would take time to go into.

[waitinginthewings]

I will, but what I have to say will take months. Bill has asked me to leave. I am not going to get into anything until Bill asks me not to leave.

Additionally, I am unable to post anything of substance unless my request that I be allowed to do so without forum members turning each thread into a religions debate full of God haters. I simply cannot get all that I have to say "out" in such an environment. I just wish people would understand and agree -- and we call all hug and move on.

A life story can feel like that (months) maybe even a book. But I'm sure you could summarise the major parts for us here. We all have our story so we would understand the need to shorten it. I don't think Bill cares if you stay as long as things are done with respect and peace. Also Bill only checks in here once in a while. Also the mods are here in his place.

I believe that if you tell your story from your heart (which I suspect) has much pain, then I also know that you will be enveloped a cloudburst of love and compassion.....because when you share from your heart it helps us to open our hearts too. That my friend is where you can do your greatest work.

Now I give you a big hug and I am waiting for you to share....please.

[Seashore]

Well, the answer isn't as simple as that. I'd have to go into it. But basically, I don't believe that Arknook from Alpha Centauri is visiting in a tin bucket.

The term "alien" needs to be analyzed also. An alien simply means unknown from here. So in essence, I suppose anything could be called an alien. Angels, devils, demons, entities, you name it.

But the whole point is that I believe (through personal experience) that these entities (what ever they may be) are evil, and since the Biblical term for these evil creatures are "demons" I use the term demon. I could also simply call them evil creatures, or even evil aliens. Problem is, no one ever stopped to ask me what I mean. They just say:

"You said demon! Don't come around here Bible bashing!"

edit I also know for a fact that if at least they are not physical, they most certainly have access to spiritual arena. That is also from personal experience which would take time to go into.

Are you familiar with the assertion that physical Draco Reptilians are residing underground here on Earth?

If so, do you believe this to be true?

[WarriorServant]

A life story can feel like that (months) maybe even a book. But I'm sure you could summarise the major parts for us here. We all have our story so we would understand the need to shorten it. I don't think Bill cares if you stay as long as things are done with respect and peace. Also Bill only checks in here once in a while. Also the mods are here in his place.

I believe that if you tell your story from your heart (which I suspect) has much pain, then I also know that you will be enveloped a cloudburst of love and compassion.....because when you share from your heart it helps us to open our hearts too. That my friend is where you can do your greatest work.

Now I give you a big hug and I am waiting for you to share....please.

Gee, it would have been nice to get this in the first part of this thread, before people started accusing me of preaching, calling them demon possessed devil worshipers, trying to project my beliefs and calling me pathetic -- all because I tried to explain why it is hard to explain my life story while people keep taking exception to biblical references. Then they went and proved how much they despise anyone that trusts the Bible. In all honesty, I think if someone truly analyzes this thread, they should find that I have been rather patient, while being highly insulted and abused.

I will get to what I want to post, but this particular moment in time is not the moment where I wish to do it. Firstly, I've been up too long and I'm not in the mood. Secondly, I am still waiting for Bill to say I can stay. He has asked me to leave and if that's a final decision, I must leave. I am not going to begin posting for him to send a message tomorrow saying: "Hey, I thought I asked you to leave?". Because I KNOW he is getting messages from people stating that I am here causing trouble (ie: mentioning the Bible -- which they hate), and I know that he doesn't have the time to analyze everything I've written -- and he's likely just going to go and trust those people's word. So until I get that ok from Bill, it's just small talk and comments.

[WarriorServant]

Are you familiar with the assertion that physical Draco Reptilians are residing underground here on Earth?

If so, do you believe this to be true?

I do believe that there are creatures under the earth. I do believe that they are reptilian in nature. But "Draco Reptilians" .. I don't know about any of that.


edit There are also creatures under the sea for that matter.

Also, the Bible supports this:


Revelation 5:3

And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.


Of course the Bible was not referring to anything like worms or animals, because they would not be able to open a book. The Bible is specifically speaking of intelligent creatures.


Revelation 5:13

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.


Again, non intelligent animals cannot say "Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever". So the Bible is speaking of intelligent creatures both under the earth and under the sea.

[waitinginthewings]

Gee, it would have been nice to get this in the first part of this thread, before people started accusing me of preaching, calling them demon possessed devil worshipers, trying to project my beliefs and calling me pathetic -- all because I tried to explain why it is hard to explain my life story while people keep taking exception to biblical references. Then they went and proved how much they despise anyone that trusts the Bible. In all honesty, I think if someone truly analyzes this thread, they should find that I have been rather patient, while being highly insulted and abused.

I will get to what I want to post, but this particular moment in time is not the moment where I wish to do it. Firstly, I've been up too long and I'm not in the mood. Secondly, I am still waiting for Bill to say I can stay. He has asked me to leave and if that's a final decision, I must leave. I am not going to begin posting for him to send a message tomorrow saying: "Hey, I thought I asked you to leave?". Because I KNOW he is getting messages from people stating that I am here causing trouble (ie: mentioning the Bible -- which they hate), and I know that he doesn't have the time to analyze everything I've written -- and he's likely just going to go and trust those people's word. So until I get that ok from Bill, it's just small talk and comments.

Why not forget about what people said in their post, its over....lets just move on. Like I said Bill rarely checks in here, so you will be waiting a long time, & as long as things are kept respectful and civil....everything will be OK. Bill is a compassionate person & will not ask anyone to leave as long as things are going smoothly. I know you understand this. So now that these 2 concerns are cleared up....again the platform is yours......perhaps you need some time to gather your thoughts and post tomorrow when you are clear on things. Thats ok too, I know its very difficult & can bring up painful memories when we open up, but it is a necessary step to our wellbeing and healing. This in turn lends itself to you being the best lightwarrior you can be and in turn help others. There are a few of us here who can stand by you, when you are ready.:wub2:

[Initiate]

Well, the answer isn't as simple as that. I'd have to go into it. But basically, I don't believe that Arknook from Alpha Centauri is visiting in a tin bucket.

The term "alien" needs to be analyzed also. An alien simply means unknown from here. So in essence, I suppose anything could be called an alien. Angels, devils, demons, entities, you name it.

But the whole point is that I believe (through personal experience) that these entities (what ever they may be) are evil, and since the Biblical term for these evil creatures are "demons" I use the term demon. I could also simply call them evil creatures, or even evil aliens. Problem is, no one ever stopped to ask me what I mean. They just say:

"You said demon! Don't come around here Bible bashing!"

edit I also know for a fact that if at least they are not physical, they most certainly have access to spiritual arena. That is also from personal experience which would take time to go into.

Please take the time to relate your personal experience. I can not validate some of your bold assertions through the bible or any other text or consultation with the Father. It is in the interest of this debate that you back up what you are claiming. If you don't wish to do this then I can understand but you will have achieved nothing of your agenda by doing so. You have some personal experience with some non physical entities and are claiming all aliens are the same as the ones you have met which do in fact sound like alternate universe entities. That is like claiming because a few white men commit murder all white men are bad.

Looking forward to your response.

Thank you for taking the time to share.

Initiate.

[WarriorServant]

I can not validate some of your bold assertions through the bible or any other text or consultation with the Father. It is in the interest of this debate that you back up what you are claiming.


I am relaying what I understand to be true. I cannot back up every belief I have, nor can anyone else on this forum or in this world. All I ask is to be allowed to post, unhindered by people who wish to remind me in every response that they don't want preaching.


If you don't wish to do this then I can understand but you will have achieved nothing of your agenda by doing so.


I do not have an agenda. I am like everyone else here. I wish to post on the forum and relay what I believe to be true. Where possible, I will of course try to provide valid reasoning.



You have some personal experience with some non physical entities and are claiming all aliens are the same as the ones you have met which do in fact sound like alternate universe entities. That is like claiming because a few white men commit murder all white men are bad.


I have reasoning behind everything I say. If anyone would like clarification on why I believe something, or why I have said something -- clarification is a question away. I am happy to participate. All I ask is that people who hate God and the Bible take a chill pill and let me post without having to constantly put up with remarks about religion and bible thumping and bible bashing, etc.

I am just another poster here on the forums, posting what I believe and what I see. If people treat me with respect and do not make a mockery every 2 minutes, I am absolutely sure that you will find that I am quite fair and reasonable towards others. So far, the people who have become upset seem to have become up through ignorance of what I actually "mean". All I ask is if people do not agree with me that they ask for clarification before they pull out the shot gun. It will go a long way towards constructive communication.

[Initiate]

edited.....

I am interested in your story. I look forward to it.

[Ross H]

[QUOTE=WarriorServant;197550]All I expect is intelligence.



Expectations of others, can lead one into a whole lot of self-disappointment...

Nobody, to my Knowledge, has all the answers, and for me, that's what makes it all the more exciting...When someone is searching for more, as in truth, after a lifetime of living in the D.I.M.M, (Deception, Illusion, manipulation, Mindcontrol), and then comes to the conclusion that there is something very wrong with the picture, a new journey begins.

Gullibility is part n parcel of this lifetimes experience, We have all been duped to some degree. We are learning, discovering all the time, Trying to make sense of it all...Personally I enjoy not knowing it 'all' as I enjoy my curiosity, my ability to think. We all in the same boat my friend:thumb_yello:

Peace:original:


Peace

[WarriorServant]

Initiate, firstly - I just want to say that I believe you're just busting my hump. I'll entertain you for a little bit longer, but please don't hyper analyze every single thing say in order to hold me accountable and expect me to provide lengthy responses. I understand your point. You don't want me all over the forums making (as you say) "bold assertions" -- I get it. But by the same toke, the questions I am about to answer have been written in an attempt to badger me. Put simply: Please don't ask me so many questions, testing me, until I say something that you can say: "AHUH! You contradicted yourself!". I know that's what you're after.

I am reasonably sure your response will be something like: "I was merely asking questions since you are making such bold claims".. or something to that affect. But please, just chill.. I'll get to everything I believe in time, I don't need to be pressed and be forced to account for absolutely every character I type from here on in.

I, like others, appreciate you telling us your truth. You have claimed all aliens are demons. Have you met all aliens?


First of all, I don't believe in "aliens". Not the stereotypical aliens that come from other places to save humanity or to abduct people. I did say in my "list": "Aliens aren't real. They're demons". However, take into account, that was a (shortened) hypothetical list off the top of my head (to underline a broader point) and in no way was I on a mission to convince anyone that "all" aliens are demons -- nor did I say that anyway, (and it's actually annoying that you've decided to extract that one point and expect me to tell you if I've met aliens). So what I meant by that (in it's full and true sense) is that "the aliens that people are perceiving to abduct them, or are channeling with, are actually demonic entities".

I could explain further, but this whole topic is very involved and I will likely make a post in the near future all about what I think about aliens. Everything I believe has a LOT of reasoning and foundational information, and if I am to provide full and complete reasoning for every word I type (immediately), I would no have the time to leave this chair for about three months. Please be patient.


It would seem that you are on a noble quest to enlighten everyone here to your personal truth and that your truth is the only truth and sanctioned by the bible. This is an agenda. I ask that if you make bold claims please quote the bible reference. Or what ever other reference you can. If you don't have personal experience then we need to know where your understanding comes from.


I have already provided Bible references. I will continue to do so where it is fitting and necessary. Your tone is really irritating me. I have to be frank. I am not on a " noble quest to enlighten everyone here to my personal truth". For a start, I don't even adhere to the "personal truth" philosophy. You're not sincere with your posts and you're just trying to get me started, considering that this thread seems to have reached some sort of calm. Why? That's the broader question. Can you just cool it? I'm not silly. I understand psychology very well.



Progresive revelation is a good thing but it indicates further your agenda. Please just come out and say what you intend to relate.


Agenda, agenda, agenda, blah blah blah... yeah what ever. Next question..



You are getting a response to your posts. These requests are fair and resonable as are the other responses to your posts. Enlighten us. the stage is yours.

I would actually prefer to be allowed to just post without this kind of questioning. Questions are one thing, but you're not interested in the answers. You're holding bait up, waiting for me to chomp on something poisonous.

I apologise for being intelligent, but I can see right through you. Can't you just let me post in peace? Or are you going to ensure that (considering I've been awarded my wish to post in peace without being labeled mr bible basher all day) that you're going to step in and hold me accountable - PERSONALLY, until I am found to be the rotten fraud and doctrine pusher that you believe me to be?

Side note: I just KNOW that someone is going to reply to this and state that I am being nasty and horrible for "no" reason. If anyone wishes to make that assertion, have a think about what I have written and also go and look at Initiate's previous posts. Thank you.

[WarriorServant]

Expectations of others, can lead one into a whole lot of self-disappointment...

Nobody, to my Knowledge, has all the answers, and for me, that's what makes it all the more exciting...When someone is searching for more, as in truth, after a lifetime of living in the D.I.M.M, (Deception, Illusion, manipulation, Mindcontrol), and then comes to the conclusion that there is something very wrong with the picture, a new journey begins.

Gullibility is part n parcel of this lifetimes experience, We have all been duped to some degree. We are learning, discovering all the time, Trying to make sense of it all...Personally I enjoy not knowing it 'all' as I enjoy my curiosity, my ability to think. We all in the same boat my friend:thumb_yello:


I agree with you on everything above. It's just that I see that there is a LOT of delusion (per capita) on this forum (and other forums like it). I am not personally insulting anyone (or trying to), unless anyone wants to associate themselve's with that assertion -- but what I will do (if allowed) is simply post and work through one delusion at a time.

I may or may not cause people to agree, and that's fine. I will not force anyone to agree. Nor do I wish to. However, I need to be honest and I sincerely believe that the vast majority of people in the disclosure and whistle blowing movements do not have a genuine desire for truth. I sincerely believe that many people are simply after excitement.

I wish to try to break through that and not force people to believe what I do, or what I think what I do -- but have people actually start thinking "themselves". Far too many people DO NOT THINK. They simply browse around for the coolest sounding explnanations for things and simply adopt them. I'm not joking!

Given time, I believe I can help a lot of people to see things more clearly. I absolutely do not claim to be the be all and end all of all answers, but I have profound experiences dating back to when I was a toddler and for that reason I have a life long array of research behind me -- and not just from the Bible.

[Initiate]

Initiatem firstly - I just want to say that I believe you're just busting my hump. I'll entertain you for a little bit longer, but please don't hyper analyze every single thing say in order to hold me accountable and expect me to provide lengthy responses. I understand your point. You don;t want me all over the forums making (as you say) "bold assertions -- I get it. But by the same toke, the questions I am about to answer have been written in an attempt to badger me. Put simply: Please don't ask be so many questions, testing me, until I say something that you can say: "AHUH! You contradicted yourself!". I know that's what you're after.

I am reasonably sure your response will be something like: "I was merely asking questions since you are making such bold claims".. or something to that affect. But please, just chill.. I'll get to everything I believe in time, I don;t need to be pressed and be forced to account for absolutely every character I type from here on in.



First of all, I don't believe in "aliens". Not the stereotypical aliens that come from other places to save humanity or to abduct people. I did say in my "list": "Aliens aren't real. They're demons". However, take into account, that was a (shortened) hypothetical list off the top of my head (to underline a broader point) and in no way was I on a mission to convince anyone that "all" aliens are demons -- nor did I say that anyway, (and it's actually annoying that you've decided to extract that one point and expect me to tell you if I've met aliens). So what I meant by that (in it's full and true sense) is that "the aliens that people are perceiving to abduct them, or are channeling with, are actually demonic entities".

I could explain further, but this whole topic is very involved and I will likely make a post in the near future all about what I think about aliens. Everything I believe has a LOT of reasoning and foundational information, and if I am to provide full and complete reasoning fro every word I type (immediately), I would no have the time to leave this chair for about three months. Please be patient.



I have already provided Bible references. I will continue to do so where it is fitting and necessary. Your tone is really irritating me. I have to be frank. I am not on a " noble quest to enlighten everyone here to your personal truth". You're not sincere with your posts and you're just trying to get me started, considering that this thread seems to have reached some sort of calm. Why? That's the broader question. Can you just cool it? I'm not silly. I understand psychology very well.




Agenda, agenda, agenda, blah blah blah... yeah what ever. Next question..




I would actually prefer to be allowed to just post without this kind of questioning. Questions are one thing, but you're not interested in the answers. You're holding bait up, waiting for me to chomp on something poisonous.

I apologise for being intelligent, but I can see right through you. Can't you just let me post in peace? Or are you going to ensure that (considering I've been awarded my wish to post in peace without being labeled mr bible basher all day) that you're going to step in and hold me accountable - PERSONALLY, until I am found to be the rotten fraud and doctrine pusher that you believe me to be?

Side note: I just KNOW that someone is going to reply to this and state that I am being nasty and horrible for "no" reason. If anyone wishes to make that assertion, have a think about what I have written and also go and look at Initiate's previous posts. Thank you.

Sorry, I appoligise for comming across that way and you will see that I have edited my post prior to your response. The reason I changed it is because it was perceived that it might be taken as an attack when that was not the intent. I never have thought your were a fraud or doctrine pusher. I am genuinely interested in what you have to say. I trust that you can accept my appology. I hope you will allow me to post responses to any questions you present.

[waitinginthewings]

Warriorservant: I take it then that you are not going to share some of what you would like to say? Is that correct? Or, are you planning on doing it on another day? Its just that I have opened a platform for you here, but if you are not ready to take the plunge, please say so, & I will refrain from posting here until you are ready. Whenever you are ready to get serious, I will be here for you as will others who care about you.:wub2:

[BROOK]

Given time, I believe I can help a lot of people to see things more clearly. I absolutely do not claim to be the be all and end all of all answers, but I have profound experiences dating back to when I was a toddler and for that reason I have a life long array of research behind me -- and not just from the Bible.

The time is upon you..you have opened the door....now time for symantics are over. We get it. Tell your story.

I think we're all anxious to hear it, now that you have the platform. go for it.

[WarriorServant]

Warriorservant: I take it then that you are not going to share some of what you would like to say? Is that correct? Or, are you planning on doing it on another day? Its just that I have opened a platform for you here, but if you are not ready to take the plunge, please say so, & I will refrain from posting here until you are ready. Whenever you are ready to get serious, I will be here for you as will others who care about you.:wub2:

I will get to everything in time. Right now, there's already half a dozen responses floating and I'm having a hard enough time keeping up with all that. I like to finish one thing before starting another. However, I am pleased that people are being more sincere.

[WarriorServant]

The time is upon you..you have opened the door....now time for symantics are over. We get it. Tell your story.

I think we're all anxious to hear it, now that you have the platform. go for it.

Do I look like a trained monkey?

You've done nothing but abuse me through the whole thread and now you expect me to start writing at your command because you snapped your fingers?

Is this what is going to happen now? The forum is just going to start saying: "WELL, START TYPING, WE'RE WAITING!".. and if I do not, I know what's next.. "Well, we tried to be sincere and open the door for you, but you were stalling. You've obviously got nothing important to say and you're just playing with everyone".

Listen: I am not silly. I can see when someone is not sincere and if I see that I WILL pull you up on it. I'm not a trained monkey that performs at the snap of fingers. I will get to what I want to say when I am good and ready. I have already explained FOUR times why I am not yet ready to begin posting everything.

[waitinginthewings]

I will get to everything in time. Right now, there's already half a dozen responses floating and I'm having a hard enough time keeping up with all that. I like to finish one thing before starting another. However, I am pleased that people are being more sincere.

Thank you for your response, I will sign off this post then, & look forward to reading your experiences. I believe that we can all learn something from each other. May I suggest that you write the entire story in one consistent post, just so we can get the full picture and not fragments which are difficult to piece together. I can assure you that most likely there are others here too, that will completely understand what you have experienced.:wub2:

[WarriorServant]

Thank you for your response, I will sign off this post then, & look forward to reading your experiences. I believe that we can all learn something from each other. May I suggest that you write the entire story in one consistent post, just so we can get the full picture and not fragments which are difficult to piece together. I can assure you that most likely there are others here too, that will completely understand what you have experienced.:wub2:

I will. However, it will be very involved so I need to try and shake off this "lets test WarriorServant's patience" rhetoric first -- and also, being half asleep doesn't help.

[Karen]

Do I look like a trained monkey?

You've done nothing but abuse me through the whole thread and now you expect me to start writing at your command because you snapped your fingers?

Is this what is going to happen now? The forum is just going to start saying: "WELL, START TYPING, WE'RE WAITING!".. and if I do not, I know what's next.. "Well, we tried to be sincere and open the door for you, but you were stalling. You've obviously got nothing important to say and you're just playing with everyone".

Listen: I am not silly. I can see when someone is not sincere and if I see that I WILL pull you up on it. I'm not a trained monkey that performs at the snap of fingers. I will get to what I want to say when I am good and ready. I have already explained FOUR times why I am not yet ready to begin posting everything.

You don't have to reply to every post.

[Initiate]

Regarding Aliens as Demons:

One thing that has puzzled me is the concept of walk-ins

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21147

Walk-ins

Walk-ins are people from other dimensions who have walked in to the body of a person here on earth. In all cases there is a contract made before the host, the original soul, is born for this to occur.

Walk-ins use this method to enter the earth plane when their mission requires that begin soon after they arrive. Their mission necessitates they skip the birth and adolescent stage and come into an adult body. This is not always the case. Some walk-ins come into much younger bodies, but this is more the exception than the rule. When a child walk-in occurs, it is because the soul coming in needs the experiences of childhood and adolescence as a foundation for their mission. Childhood and adolescent walk-ins usually don’t awaken until they reach adulthood.



Indications of a walk-in are:



1. Usually occur during a traumatic event in the host soul’s life such as a severe illness or a car accident. Many come in during a near death experience. This is the most common way for walk-ins to exchange places, but it is not the only way. Yet, most all cases the walk-in occurs when the host is unconscious.



2. They all of a sudden, have little or no connection with some family members.



3. Divorce occurs usually within 3 years after the walk-in has arrived.



4. Ongoing physical pain in the neck and shoulders that wasn’t there before the walk-in.



5. Loss of coordination and memory lapses. Trouble with speech.



6. Sudden change in tastes such as food, clothing and decor.



7. Sudden loss of interest in career and hobbies. New ones are found along with a sudden interest in all things spiritual.



8. Strong knowing that they have a mission to accomplish though they may not remember what it is at the present time.



9. Some walk-ins have memories of their home world or ship. They even have memory of their incarnate forms being sustained through a form of cryogenics (spelling?) that is far superior to ours.



10. Walk-ins usually carry the Crystal Gene.



Walk-ins have a more challenging role on earth because they have spent most of their incarnation on another plane of existence and then come to earth in the middle to later part of that incarnation.


Is this not like demon possession? How valid is the contract? Does anyone have an oppionion on this?

[beren]

Warrior , I seem to come late on this thread and had read all answers here...
This forum is becoming weird as time is passing by.
It is still different from other forums but again it is becoming increasingly weird with flood of new threads about various topics.

All this new situation reminds me of Julius Caesar `s words -Divide ut regnes-

divide and conquer ...

Avalon became chaotic...

And that was done intentionally. By whom? By ones who divide and then conquer.

I am afraid that here many think highly of themselves as enlightened but in the very next sentence they write , they show how enlightened really they are.

My friend I like your post, you made enemies here and at the end that enemies want to listen you???
How weird is that?

But there was that guy from Australia nicked M1* who tried to tell his story and few days has passed and he was thrown out by some very cynical people here, M1 tried as you to defend himself but as more he tried the more they mocked him.

Also some tried to mock 14 Chakras, RedeZra and me for speaking from our hearts and for speaking about Bible.
I don` t pay attention to that since I don`t like to quarrel and I try to speak very clearly about what I think , believe and know.

Go find my bible question thread and do your contribution there if you wish so.
It was an excellent thread where people clearly shed some light about who they are ,really.

I respect everyone here since you would not be here on Avalon if you somehow didn` t wish to find what`s behind the curtain of this world. I deeply respect you all folks and I am asking you politely to have that mutual respect for anyone new here. Otherwise what make you different from this sad evil world? What makes you different from bad guys if you have their manners?

Love and blessings for all!

Beren

[MadSheeple]

All I have to say is beeing gullible isn't exactly a defect, it is only perceived as a defect when the gullible people are mislead. Imagine a world where there would be no lies and everybody spoke their mind clearly, being gullible would actually be the best thing. So basicly in a positive environment it is a "good" thing and in a negative one it is the opposite.

My 2 cent,
MadSheeple

[WarriorServant]

Warrior , I seem to come late on this thread and had read all answers here...
This forum is becoming weird as time is passing by.
It is still different from other forums but again it is becoming increasingly weird with flood of new threads about various topics.

All this new situation reminds me of Julius Caesar `s words -Divide ut regnes-

divide and conquer ...

Avalon became chaotic...

And that was done intentionally. By whom? By ones who divide and then conquer.

I am afraid that here many think highly of themselves as enlightened but in the very next sentence they write , they show how enlightened really they are.

My friend I like your post, you made enemies here and at the end that enemies want to listen you???
How weird is that?

But there was that guy from Australia nicked M1* who tried to tell his story and few days has passed and he was thrown out by some very cynical people here, M1 tried as you to defend himself but as more he tried the more they mocked him.

Also some tried to mock 14 Chakras, RedeZra and me for speaking from our hearts and for speaking about Bible.
I don` t pay attention to that since I don`t like to quarrel and I try to speak very clearly about what I think , believe and know.

Go find my bible question thread and do your contribution there if you wish so.
It was an excellent thread where people clearly shed some light about who they are ,really.

I respect everyone here since you would not be here on Avalon if you somehow didn` t wish to find what`s behind the curtain of this world. I deeply respect you all folks and I am asking you politely to have that mutual respect for anyone new here. Otherwise what make you different from this sad evil world? What makes you different from bad guys if you have their manners?

Love and blessings for all!

Beren

Hi Beren. Thank you for your thoughtful response, and thank you for reading everything before responding. There is a spirit in this world which hates God. It is not hard to work out which people are effected by that spirit.

[WarriorServant]

I have noticed that many people believe that gullibility is a good thing. This does perplex me and make me wonder if I am in the twilight zone -- but what do you do? There is another thread on this subject which is winning acclaim and applause. However, I must insist that gullibility is not a virtue.

Definition:


–adjective
easily deceived or cheated.


I guess others could argue the contrary (they are actually), but I do not see anything positive about being easily deceived or cheated -- especially when there is a remedy.

Tip: The remedy is not to bask in gullibility and declare that it is a good thing (as is being done in that other thread). At least, I wouldn't stand in front of a class of school children and declare: "Hey kids: It is good to be gullible! There's noting wrong with it. Just stay ignorant all your life and don't learn anything and you can grow up to be one of the words most gullible people!".

I would expect the parents to have me sacked inside 24 hours.

[Steve_A]

Hi WarriorServant,

Although in principle I agree with your initial post on this thread, it appears there seems to be some sort of faliure in communication between yourself and some other members during the course of the development of the thread.

May I suggest that you offer the information that you have, as we all try and do in the forum, so that those members may understand the reason behind your message.

I'm not too sure that saying that people are gullible is the right way to go, after all, if they are gullible and you tell the truth as you know it, what would be the point?

May I suggest that you offer what we call in the trade as a 'teaser' and the others will ask questions as they reflect and become to wish to know more. Just an idea.

By the way, you must be Australian, as you used the 'N' word in another post. Not THE 'N' word everybody, the Australian one which means something else!

Best regards,

Steve


I have noticed that many people believe that gullibility is a good thing. This does perplex me and make me wonder if I am in the twilight zone -- but what do you do? There is another thread on this subject which is winning acclaim applause. However, I must insist that gullibility is not a virtue.

[WarriorServant]

Hi WarriorServant,

Although in principle I agree with your initial post on this thread, it appears there seems to be some sort of faliure in communication between yourself and some other members during the course of the development of the thread.

May I suggest that you offer the information that you have, as we all try and do in the forum, so that those members may understand the reason behind your message.

I'm not too sure that saying that people are gullible is the right way to go, after all, if they are gullible and you tell the truth as you know it, what would be the point?

May I suggest that you offer what we call in the trade as a 'teaser' and the others will ask questions as they reflect and become to wish to know more. Just an idea.

By the way, you must be Australian, as you used the 'N' word in another post. Not THE 'N' word everybody, the Australian one which means something else!

Best regards,

Steve

Steve I do believe we have passed the problematic portion of the thread, and at this moment in time things are running not too bad and I have no further complains to speak of. So, I don't think any further remedy is required for me to appease anyone.

Regarding calling people gullible. The title of my thread was less dramatic than that. It was "Be careful not to be gullible". It was (and is) intended to be a message of real concern. I agree that the original post wasn't written to win any socialite acclaims, but that was the whole point. I sincerely believe that people (most people) really need to consider where they get their information, and whether or not to believe it -- and WHO to trust within the disclosure and whistle blower movements.

In other words, there are a LOT of liars around.

Regarding the "N" word. Which word is that? Nong?

[MadSheeple]

I have noticed that many people believe that gullibility is a good thing. This does perplex me and make me wonder if I am in the twilight zone -- but what do you do? There is another thread on this subject which is winning acclaim and applause. However, I must insist that gullibility is not a virtue.

Definition:



I guess others could argue the contrary (they are actually), but I do not see anything positive about being easily deceived or cheated -- especially when there is a remedy.

Tip: The remedy is not to bask in gullibility and declare that it is a good thing (as is being done in that other thread). At least, I wouldn't stand in front of a class of school children and declare: "Hey kids: It is good to be gullible! There's noting wrong with it. Just stay ignorant all your life and don't learn anything and you can grow up to be one of the words most gullible people!".

I would expect the parents to have me sacked inside 24 hours.

I understand what you are trying to say, being gullible is a bad thing when you are being deceived, and for the most part, that's what happening right now. We are being deceived on a massive scale. In that context, of course being gullible is bad.

But you only see it from one perspective, you have to open your mind. When you know you are being deceived then being gullible doesn't matter anymore. Being gullible could also be said of someone being naive. Believing what they tell you.

If you close yourself up and be to opposite of gullible, wich is skeptical of everything then it is as bad as being gullible. How are you gonna be able to extract the good essence in a partly negative statement if you completely close yourself off?

I feel like a broken record, but again, it's about balance...

[Steve_A]

Hi WarriorServant,

Yes, once again you are right.

The object is not to be excessively closed off, but also not to be too open. The happy medium makes us want to ask questions and investigate to get to the root of the information. Wouldn't you agree? After all, questions are never offensive.

I tend to think, in general, that the people on this forum are at this happy medium, so prepare for the questions!

The 'N' word is indeed Nong. :)

Steve

[beren]

This is one of the best advices I ever found;

Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ

If someone have problem with Christ, well that `s his/her problem which they need to solve in their own privacy BUT no one can say that these words are not reasonable!

[WarriorServant]

I understand what you are trying to say, being gullible is a bad thing when you are being deceived, and for the most part, that's what happening right now. We are being deceived on a massive scale. In that context, of course being gullible is bad.

But you only see it from one perspective, you have to open your mind. When you know you are being deceived then being gullible doesn't matter anymore. Being gullible could also be said of someone being naive. Believing what they tell you.

If you close yourself up and be to opposite of gullible, wich is skeptical of everything then it is as bad as being gullible. How are you gonna be able to extract the good essence in a partly negative statement if you completely close yourself off?

I feel like a broken record, but again, it's about balance...

I think the word that yourself and the other people in the other thread are looking for is "innocent". It is fine to be innocent. However you have not convinced me that being gullible is a good thing, no matter which perspective you try to point at it from. All logic and reason points to the fact that gullibility is a character liability.

I might also add, that it is ironic that some people are trying to convince me that gullibility is GOOD and that many people "agree" that gullibility is good. That's actually funny to me. By reason of definition, I could not possibly agree with you that gullibility is a good thing. However, you may believe that makes me a skeptic :)

[WarriorServant]

Hi WarriorServant,

Yes, once again you are right.

The object is not to be excessively closed off, but also not to be too open. The happy medium makes us want to ask questions and investigate to get to the root of the information. Wouldn't you agree? After all, questions are never offensive.

I tend to think, in general, that the people on this forum are at this happy medium, so prepare for the questions!

The 'N' word is indeed Nong. :)

Steve

I have absolutely no qualms with sincere questions. I encourage them and they are a delight for me to answer. After all, this is a forum.

[beren]

I understand what you are trying to say, being gullible is a bad thing when you are being deceived, and for the most part, that's what happening right now. We are being deceived on a massive scale. In that context, of course being gullible is bad.

But you only see it from one perspective, you have to open your mind. When you know you are being deceived then being gullible doesn't matter anymore. Being gullible could also be said of someone being naive. Believing what they tell you.

If you close yourself up and be to opposite of gullible, wich is skeptical of everything then it is as bad as being gullible. How are you gonna be able to extract the good essence in a partly negative statement if you completely close yourself off?

I feel like a broken record, but again, it's about balance...

I think you are right about balance. But anyways we should not be naive in any circumstance ,you can be fooled once,twice,three times even four , five but to be fooled again and again ,countless times... that`s stupidity.

We should test every spirit and every statement without being as you said skeptical ,rather aware because many deceivers are roaming around.

[BROOK]

WS...I'm going to share part of a post I did several weeks ago..and at the same time i did it, I was also experiencing the high energy that is hitting this planet as we speak. My dear friend Lionhawk made me put it back, after removing it... And I beleive you are also being hit by these same energies. So with all due respect..please read this, and check out the thread about the shift, and understand..if it is attention that you want..we are here for you..as long as you do not infringe on our good nature..because we will tell you in no uncertain terms exactly how we feel. We can also be very sharing and caring..so please share....and here is part of that post...with the link to a very good post by Lionhawk as well.


For some of us, there has been a gateway opened so to speak. 2012 is just a window, of a time that has already started, in my experience. and many others that will tell you, they can already feel the shift. Now is a time when many are in the process of waking up. And for some it has been very confusing. Balancing emotional attachment to the 3d that we are in, and stepping into the 4th and 5th. It's a balancing act if you will, and a time for clearing out major "attachments" so the transition can be made.

Some are so attached to this 3D, that they are fighting the transition. And they are experiencing many ups and downs. Look around you. You have your friends, your family. all of the things that you have worked so hard to attain...and it is all 3D existence. The transition to this new shift, these attachments are not necessary. To go inside and connect to ones higher self, to experience the source, and the oneness of source, is not to be in this place of 3D...you have to leave it behind...for something much different, and that opportunity is here and now.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17945



Blessings
Brook

[no caste]

I might also add, that it is ironic that some people are trying to convince me that gullibility is GOOD and that many people "agree" that gullibility is good. That's actually funny to me. By reason of definition, I could not possibly agree with you that gullibility is a good thing. However, you may believe that makes me a skeptic :)

This is why I believe gullibility is good. It is childlike, it is innocence. It is in our nature to be gullible. It is what is most beautiful about us.

Now, that said, it is also was makes us easy to exploit. It's not the gullibility, per se, that is a bad trait. Actually, the bad trait would be sniffing out vulnerabilities and eating them for breakfast. I'm talking generalities here. In most basic Christian thought, Satan is the lie. Sometimes we get 'had' - live and learn.

I can't believe I'm posting on this thread again. I am going to regret it :mfr_lol:

[Ross H]

Warriorservant: I have tried to share various information with various people for YEARS, and NONE OF IT reaches the light of day. The PRIMARY reason for that is because everyone's too busy peeing in each others pockets. That's the truth.

Perhaps you could try a different approach, I dont have any problem with sharing various information with various ppls, weather they agree or dis-agree. Allow ppl to find there own way, sure give them a lil nudge but dont expect anything. Just give and share, as you do, that's whats important. The moment one starts to 'box' in another's view/beliefs is a judgemental act, not conjucive to 'connection' with another, mostly what happens is 'dis-connection' and we have all had enough of that!

Remember, you only have control over your own thought system, Nothing else, and this can be confusing for some, Dont fall into the trap of 'right and wrong' its an illusion. Just share from a place of 'giving' keep your own fequency up-tone, Don't worry about anything else.

Peace :original:

[14 Chakras]

Be wise as serpents, harmless as doves.

I agree gullibility is not a great trait, discernment is truly the key to spiritual freedom.

HOWEVER, it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than it is for a camel to enter the eye of the needle. Consider, "rich" means "rich" in beliefs. The more with "Think" we "know", the more likely we are to cut ourselves off from Divine revelation, from Truth, which is truly Infinite.

As soon as we create an image of what "God is" and who is saved and who is not, and we "know the answers" of creation, well, we've shut ourselves off from Truth, because human minds cannot even begin to understand the mysteries of creation which are infinite and always transcending themselves.

We must "Be as a child to enter the kingdom of heaven that is inside of us, at hand, Now".

Meaning: Curious, always asking questions, no attachments, KNOWING we KNOW NOTHING!

There is always MORE.

Attachments to beliefs are exactly what keep us out of the kingdom of heaven. Reality is much more than our thoughts or beliefs and we will experience suffering should we choose to identify with our thoughts and beliefs, which by their nature, are limited and false. There is always a higher Truth.

As soon as we're 'teachers' and no longer students, then I would suggest we are students who are failing Schoolroom Earth ;) ~ Because there is always MORE, and each of us, yes each of us, has pieces of the puzzle.

Love your neighbor as yourSelf ;)

Shine your Light and Be, but judge not, for we will be judged by the standards we use to judge others (I would suggest this is cosmic law*)

[Initiate]

Love your neighbor as yourSelf ;)


Of all the things Jesus taught us this is surely the one that resonates the strongest.

We have no reason to assume people will lie to us unless they do. We must continually guage what others say against our experience and our Thought Adjuster, Guiding Source or conscience or what ever you call it. God has given us this gift. For "I am in the Father and the Father is in Me". Jesus taught us that it was this way with us as it is with him. If we listen to our conscience when making any choices we are following the will of God. This is a belief beyond religeon for all religeons that stood the test of time follow this teaching. If we take time to "Be Still to Know God" and listen surely this is as importart as "Asking to Receive".

This is what it means to be careful and not be gullible. In order to do this we must listen not just to those sources of information external but to the true source within for confirmation.

[Humble Janitor]

Stop showing yourself as a victim here now. We are not guilty and nobody is going to pity you. And I do not believe you want to say anything constructive here. it is all whitewash. Your purpose is completely different. If you really wanted to say something constructive and wanted an honest response, you would have done it a long time ago...

Exactly.

The poster won't answer my question about people who believe strongly in god and preach about the truth being in a book.

Is that not gullible as well?

[100thmonkey]

I have noticed that many people believe that gullibility is a good thing. This does perplex me and make me wonder if I am in the twilight zone -- but what do you do? There is another thread on this subject which is winning acclaim and applause. However, I must insist that gullibility is not a virtue.
...
I guess others could argue the contrary (they are actually), but I do not see anything positive about being easily deceived or cheated -- especially when there is a remedy.
What's wrong with being deceived?
In terms of our eternal being, all will be made known eventually, whether in this life or another.

I don't think you've stated it yet, but your passion seems to be in saving people from some fate that awaits the deceived?
That if we just follow whatever sounds good, or 'fluffy' we may end up... where? ...Hell?
You being a KJV person I think that may be what you're saying?

I understand that. I used to be christian myself. I was raised in it from birth. I used to believe that daemons were waiting to deceive us at every turn - even in our own minds. I used to be wary of the 'New Age'. I used to believe in the 6 day Creation, the fall of Adam, the virgin birth, the resurrection, the second coming, hell, heaven, etc.

Have you ever wondered though? What's really wrong with being deceived?
Have you ever questioned, in terms of Eternity, why should somebody who is deceived, be punished for being deceived?
Is it their fault?
If someone really deserves punishment out of that situation why not punish the deceiver, not the innocently deceived?
You do understand that on some level, because you're here trying to awaken people from their 'deception' - otherwise you'd leave us to what we 'deserve'.

Yes, in nature deception rules, and will cost you.
If you don't see the Tiger in the long grass because it's camouflage deceives your eyes - you will be it's dinner.
No mercy.

If you believe in the 'super'-natural though, that we are eternal beings, and you believe in a God, doesn't he(/she) have greater depth than that?
Greater understanding, greater mercy?
When there is a supposedly loving merciful omnipotent being watching over all, how could anyone's eternal fate be left to such a merciless extreme?

So a 'daemon' has sought out an earnest truthseeker and set up some deception to draw them away from the 'truth', then their life expires before they realise the deception.
Do they deserve 'punishment'?
No explanation for why they must now suffer?
No second chance?

Your level of passion seems to imply that you think those who are gullible have such a fate awaiting them, and they are merrily skipping to their eternal doom.
I understand that if you believe that, such passion, compassion for us, is admirable - but isn't even that level of compassion greater than the god in the bible shows?

These are things most people on this forum have faced in their own way.
They may not accept the logic presented for such a thing as an eternal hell. Not because they are gullible, deceived by daemons, or seeking something more 'fluffy', but because such unnecessary punishment is repulsive to most civilised beings.

It's hard to worship a god who doesn't seem to show the same level of mercy and compassion that most humans demand even from themselves.
So they can't really believe in the bible god, or that his way of doing things is how things really are.

They aren't gullible, they aren't ignorant, they're just seeking a level of truth and justice that is higher than the version presented in the bible, or any other holy book.

If mere mortal me can think of a better system of eternal 'justice' than burning people in a lake of fire (reincarnation for example) then how can I accept any less from a supposed 'god' that I am then supposed to worship?

People aren't necessarily jumping on you for mentioning the word 'Jesus' or 'Bible'. They are more liekly jumping at a concept they have already processed and rejected.

A lot of people here know that the 3 day death and resurrection is really an allegory to the changing direction of the sun at the winter Solstice (Merry Christmas /Saturnalia /Sol Invictus) and thus the deception at the foundations of the gospel story.
So for them rejecting Jesus is actually part of trying not to be gullible themselves...

It's not necessarily personal against you in particular.
They may have experience with others who have been more stubborn (you have to admit there are some raving fundy bible thumpers out there) and maybe unfairly assume you are the same - but these are issues that cut to the core of what it means to be human - and most people don't like the humiliating way the bible depicts mankind - that he is the Potter and we are the clay, to be disposed of how he see's fit - or that man deserves eternal hellfire by default.
It's natural to be defensive against such degrading implications (it's the same tyranny we reject in human societies).

It's not rebelling against 'god', it's rebelling against the idea of unecessary harshness.
It's seeking what true god we know must exist, who doesn't demand such harshness.

You may think that's just seeking something more 'fluffy', but why not?

If you're not implying any horrible eternal fate then my apologies for going on so long, but when you mention the bible etc. that's what most people see being implied - and may naturally object to...

[WarriorServant]

WS...I'm going to share part of a post I did several weeks ago..and at the same time i did it, I was also experiencing the high energy that is hitting this planet as we speak. My dear friend Lionhawk made me put it back, after removing it... And I beleive you are also being hit by these same energies. So with all due respect..please read this, and check out the thread about the shift, and understand..if it is attention that you want..we are here for you..as long as you do not infringe on our good nature..because we will tell you in no uncertain terms exactly how we feel. We can also be very sharing and caring..so please share....and here is part of that post...with the link to a very good post by Lionhawk as well.



Blessings
Brook

I will make a post about this in the near future. I can't wrao up what I think of this in a thread response.

[WarriorServant]

What's wrong with being deceived?


This is as far as I got before I decided I wouldn't respond to the rest. I did read it. Don't agree. That's all I have left to say.

[WarriorServant]

Exactly.

The poster won't answer my question about people who believe strongly in god and preach about the truth being in a book.

Is that not gullible as well?

Which part of "I'm not here to have religious debates" don't you understand?

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill,

Sorry - I was just trying to get people's attention so that they listen.

Will you invite me to stay if I lose the theatrics?

Of course. The point about theatrics is that they interfere with the data content of your message. Beating someone over the head is not the best way to invite them to listen to a well-argued case.

You have some important points to make, but if you antagonize those debating with you then they're much less likely to hear you. It then just becomes a fight. That's not what Avalon is for and does not embody our ideals.

I'm now back to my own thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17977&page=1) - I won't visit here again (sorry - no time, honestly)

Best wishes, Bill

[DOMINIC 777]

DEAR OXYMORON,
Wisdom is needed in these difficult times......half a million people cannot all be wrong.........once your sound frequency rises by negateing your ego self , pride , vanity , arrogance selfishness etc......then you will realize that scurge of the human condition , which is that:ALL PEOPLE ON THE EARTH ARE SUFFERING...secondly it is "FEAR" which creates the negativism on the EARTH .You keep asking people to come to you for the truth.....the first discernment of a wise person IS TO KEEP AWAY fom a person with arrogant conceited thought patterns GIVE THEM A a wide birth.......so teach us something new and wise, as the battle is between SANITY and INSANITY

lol
DOMINIC



Then I suggest you go back and reanalyze what I wrote, because you've obviously misunderstood me.

The word was "nong".

I apologise for calling you nongs - but I was slightly frustrated that no one likes to be told that Satan actually exists and that he is affecting people all over the planet.

[TRANCOSO]

Yo, WarriorServant,
my (humble) advice;
Get a life of your own & don't bother so much about what other people feel, think, dream or whatever they do, that irritates you.

By the way, a Servant of a Warrior is a soldier.
Are you a 'Sir! Yes, sir!' person?

[KathyT]

Plain and simple: Humans are about as gullible as you can imagine. Very few people have a logical thinking discerning mind. You know why? Because the majority of people are lazy and couldn't care less about anything that's not happening in their own little bubble. All people care about is feeling warm and fuzzy, and will WILLINGLY self delude themselves on a daily basis for the "fix".

So when something comes along that requires thought, "developed" intuition, rational thinking, educated decisions or discernment, most people immediately jump to "paranormal". Oh it's aliens, witches, ghosts, chupacabras, demons, Mary.. *deep breath*.. there's ALWAYS a paranormal explanation. It's "NEVER" explainable -- and that makes for a mass delusion/hoax to be ripe. Don't make me compile a list of proof for how gullible and simple minded people are, because I can -- and it will be 50 pages long.

Sadly, I think most people on this forum (and those in the "Disclosure" movement) are not only going to have the wool pulled over their eyes, but scores of people, all over the globe are about to reach a delusion of such massive proportion, that it's going to be the end of humanity as we know it.

:

Warrior, I hadn’t read your post until tonight, and I haven’t read all the pages in between. I just wanted to say I agree with you in concept, “very few people have a logical thinking discerning mind”. I’ve been an analyst all my career, I have to do careful research and not draw immediate conclusions, and in my career line, I work with many who are the same.

I’ve studied this ‘disclosure’ movement for over a year now, I’ve watched many whistleblowers videos and done my own follow up research. My biggest piece of advice to anybody, would be, “be careful not to be too gullible”, which is the very title of your post. I also advise, use scientific research and methodology to sort the facts out from stories which get passed around like gossip.

I am often reminded of ‘chicken little’, who cried ‘the sky is falling, the sky is falling,’ and when running to tell the king, got a crowd to follow her to the foxes den.

[WarriorServant]

Warrior, I hadn’t read your post until tonight, and I haven’t read all the pages in between. I just wanted to say I agree with you in concept, “very few people have a logical thinking discerning mind”. I’ve been an analyst all my career, I have to do careful research and not draw immediate conclusions, and in my career line, I work with many who are the same.

I’ve studied this ‘disclosure’ movement for over a year now, I’ve watched many whistleblowers videos and done my own follow up research. My biggest piece of advice to anybody, would be, “be careful not to be too gullible”, which is the very title of your post. I also advise, use scientific research and methodology to sort the facts out from stories which get passed around like gossip.

I am often reminded of ‘chicken little’, who cried ‘the sky is falling, the sky is falling,’ and when running to tell the king, got a crowd to follow her to the foxes den.

Aaaaaah, "common sense". Music to my ears..

*Group hugs everyone*

Milky Bars are on me!

edit: For those that don't get the milky bars comment..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVR6bBT4KUg

[Shadowstalker]

Of course. The point about theatrics is that they interfere with the data content of your message. Beating someone over the head is not the best way to invite them to listen to a well-argued case.

You have some important points to make, but if you antagonize those debating with you then they're much less likely to hear you. It then just becomes a fight. That's not what Avalon is for and does not embody our ideals.

I'm now back to my own thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17977&page=1) - I won't visit here again (sorry - no time, honestly)

Best wishes, Bill

I sat here for 2 hrs waiting to here his news on his story, experiences, and what not, and I am getting the feeling it will be a while before he finally says something, I agree with what most folks have said, he should have just told his story. I agree with bill also, he should have just, he should have just told the story, i probably would have listen, now i am just plain frustrated, and waiting upon this info.

The negativity and pushiness of the original poster and his responses just got me wondering, what makes his more important then anyone, if it is more important then he should have just said it..

All i want is the story, i could care less on where it came from, i will work with what I know in my spirit and nothing more, as will many others here.

I have my stories to but mine are written in books and poems..

I don't push my beliefs on anyone for any reason not even for the fate of the world, because we all have a say in it one way or another..:thumb_yello:

Namaste-Matte

Good to be back :mfr_lol:

[WarriorServant]

I sat here for 2 hrs waiting to here his news on his story, experiences, and what not, and I am getting the feeling it will be a while before he finally says something, I agree with what most folks have said, he should have just told his story. I agree with bill also, he should have just, he should have just told the story, i probably would have listen, now i am just plain frustrated, and waiting upon this info.

The negativity and pushiness of the original poster and his responses just got me wondering, what makes his more important then anyone, if it is more important then he should have just said it..

All i want is the story, i could care less on where it came from, i will work with what I know in my spirit and nothing more, as will many others here.

I have my stories to but mine are written in books and poems..

I don't push my beliefs on anyone for any reason not even for the fate of the world, because we all have a say in it one way or another..:thumb_yello:

Namaste-Matte

Good to be back :mfr_lol:

I did't open this thread to tell any stories.

I opened this thread to express my concern about people peeing in each others pockets.

[Shadowstalker]

I will get to what I want to post, but this particular moment in time is not the moment where I wish to do it.

What ever it is your going to tell is all i am saying dude, nothing more nothing less.. :thumb_yello:

Ok anybody want to contact me when he is ready, my door is open.:welcomeani:

Namaste-Matte:wub2:

[WarriorServant]

I will get to what I want to post, but this particular moment in time is not the moment where I wish to do it.

What ever it is your going to tell is all i am saying dude, nothing more nothing less.. :thumb_yello:

Ok anybody want to contact me when he is ready, my door is open.:welcomeani:

Namaste-Matte:wub2:

I believe this thread is the one you're after (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18151). "This" thread has been created because I see far to many people pandering to excitement.

I will get around to everything I want to say in due course. It's unfair of people to demand that I start typing out my life story at the snap of some fingers. I need time and quiet. At the time people were asking me to "start typing my story" (which this thread had nothing to do with anyway), I had been awake over 24 hours. I went to sleep, woke up, and started the above linked thread. I stated my position. I stated that the threads will come. I am only human. I can't work out what all the fuss is about. Give me time. I have a lot to say and I can't post it all in 2 hours. Additionally, I like to stick with ONE thread / subject at a time so that I can pay it proper attention. Just have patience.

P.S. Please don't go to the above thread to find something to complain about (as you did with this thread). I'm getting tired of people complaining all about me. I'm just trying to post what I have to say in peace, but some people just like whining -- and it's distracting.

[Shadowstalker]

I believe this thread is the one you're after (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18151). "This" thread has been created because I see far to many people pandering to excitement.

I will get around to everything I want to say in due course. It's unfair of people to demand that I start typing out my life story at the snap of some fingers. I need time and quiet. At the time people were asking me to "start typing my story" (which this thread had nothing to do with anyway), I had been awake over 24 hours. I went to sleep, woke up, and started the above linked thread. I stated my position. I stated that the threads will come. I am only human. I can't work out what all the fuss is about. Give me time. I have a lot to say and I can't post it all in 2 hours. Additionally, I like to stick with ONE thread / subject at a time so that I can pay it proper attention. Just have patience.

P.S. Please don't go to the above thread to find something to complain about (as you did with this thread). I'm getting tired of people complaining all about me. I'm just trying to post what I have to say in peace, but some people just like whining -- and it's distracting.

Dude its all good, take ur time, but when you make folks think you have something to say right away, you will get that type of reaction, i honestly don't care when you post. I just want to be contacted by anyone when you finally get to the straight up point, that's all i am concerned about, you could post it next yr for all i care.. And i post that quote because you said you didn't have a story, but in fact you do,(i wasn't complaining) plz don't take things out of context.

Anyone who has read any of my posts, knows I don't play games let alone push buttons let alone complain about much here, And I think with all the frustration everyone has been going through, I think your gonna get that kind of reaction.

To me it's all gravy,:cup:

Namaste-Matte

[Shadowstalker]

What's wrong with being deceived?
In terms of our eternal being, all will be made known eventually, whether in this life or another.

I don't think you've stated it yet, but your passion seems to be in saving people from some fate that awaits the deceived?
That if we just follow whatever sounds good, or 'fluffy' we may end up... where? ...Hell?
You being a KJV person I think that may be what you're saying?

I understand that. I used to be christian myself. I was raised in it from birth. I used to believe that daemons were waiting to deceive us at every turn - even in our own minds. I used to be wary of the 'New Age'. I used to believe in the 6 day Creation, the fall of Adam, the virgin birth, the resurrection, the second coming, hell, heaven, etc.

Have you ever wondered though? What's really wrong with being deceived?
Have you ever questioned, in terms of Eternity, why should somebody who is deceived, be punished for being deceived?
Is it their fault?
If someone really deserves punishment out of that situation why not punish the deceiver, not the innocently deceived?
You do understand that on some level, because you're here trying to awaken people from their 'deception' - otherwise you'd leave us to what we 'deserve'.

Yes, in nature deception rules, and will cost you.
If you don't see the Tiger in the long grass because it's camouflage deceives your eyes - you will be it's dinner.
No mercy.

If you believe in the 'super'-natural though, that we are eternal beings, and you believe in a God, doesn't he(/she) have greater depth than that?
Greater understanding, greater mercy?
When there is a supposedly loving merciful omnipotent being watching over all, how could anyone's eternal fate be left to such a merciless extreme?

So a 'daemon' has sought out an earnest truthseeker and set up some deception to draw them away from the 'truth', then their life expires before they realise the deception.
Do they deserve 'punishment'?
No explanation for why they must now suffer?
No second chance?

Your level of passion seems to imply that you think those who are gullible have such a fate awaiting them, and they are merrily skipping to their eternal doom.
I understand that if you believe that, such passion, compassion for us, is admirable - but isn't even that level of compassion greater than the god in the bible shows?

These are things most people on this forum have faced in their own way.
They may not accept the logic presented for such a thing as an eternal hell. Not because they are gullible, deceived by daemons, or seeking something more 'fluffy', but because such unnecessary punishment is repulsive to most civilised beings.

It's hard to worship a god who doesn't seem to show the same level of mercy and compassion that most humans demand even from themselves.
So they can't really believe in the bible god, or that his way of doing things is how things really are.

They aren't gullible, they aren't ignorant, they're just seeking a level of truth and justice that is higher than the version presented in the bible, or any other holy book.

If mere mortal me can think of a better system of eternal 'justice' than burning people in a lake of fire (reincarnation for example) then how can I accept any less from a supposed 'god' that I am then supposed to worship?

People aren't necessarily jumping on you for mentioning the word 'Jesus' or 'Bible'. They are more liekly jumping at a concept they have already processed and rejected.

A lot of people here know that the 3 day death and resurrection is really an allegory to the changing direction of the sun at the winter Solstice (Merry Christmas /Saturnalia /Sol Invictus) and thus the deception at the foundations of the gospel story.
So for them rejecting Jesus is actually part of trying not to be gullible themselves...

It's not necessarily personal against you in particular.
They may have experience with others who have been more stubborn (you have to admit there are some raving fundy bible thumpers out there) and maybe unfairly assume you are the same - but these are issues that cut to the core of what it means to be human - and most people don't like the humiliating way the bible depicts mankind - that he is the Potter and we are the clay, to be disposed of how he see's fit - or that man deserves eternal hellfire by default.
It's natural to be defensive against such degrading implications (it's the same tyranny we reject in human societies).

It's not rebelling against 'god', it's rebelling against the idea of unecessary harshness.
It's seeking what true god we know must exist, who doesn't demand such harshness.

You may think that's just seeking something more 'fluffy', but why not?

If you're not implying any horrible eternal fate then my apologies for going on so long, but when you mention the bible etc. that's what most people see being implied - and may naturally object to...

Dude everything you stated here is the reason why I stopped ministering and starting on a less judgmental path, i am BECOMING more lightened by the day, so if anyone is going to quote me then plz quote me correctly (LOL)

I love to learn and i am still learning and waiting upon relevant info to help me grow, you have posed all the statements I have known for many yrs now, I am glad i am not the only one who thought this.

Namaste-Matte:wub2:

[WarriorServant]

I'm lost Shadowstalker. Do you have anything to contribute to the thread, concerning the original post?

[Shadowstalker]

I'm lost Shadowstalker. Do you have anything to contribute to the thread, concerning the original post?

I am aloud to respond to other folks unless someone changed the rules with out informing me, and not right now, no I don't have anything , but you could have had something to contribute other then being worried about my response to someone else, If i find another person to respond to, i will do that as well.. Please don't worry about me, I am just still going through the threads again.

And seeings how you said last night that you will take your time with what you have planned for this thread, i think I will do my best to communicate to others the best way I can, and relay my thoughts to them..

Namaste-Matte